Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - All things Reality with Joe Amabile

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Episode 115. This week, Kristen and Luke are joined by Joe Amabile, also known as “Grocery Store Joe.” Joe has been on The Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, Dancing with the Stars, Family Feud, and most recently, The Goat, with Kristen! He talks about getting scouted for The Bachelorette at a grocery store, his experiences on all the different reality shows, and how him and his wife, Serena Pitt, decided on moving to New York. How did he get his own pasta sauce? What was his strategy for The Goat? How do you pack for The Bachelorrette/Bachelor in Paradise? Find out all this and more in this week’s episode! Sponsors: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter promo code Doute Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/Kristen Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, Luke. Luke's back from California. Tokyo. Got my boyfriend back. Got him now. Finally back. Tokyo to know, I'm finally back. Book ya. Thousands of miles later. Very special guest today because you guys all should be watching Amazon Prime slash Amazon Freebies the Goats. If you're not, you better start now.

But everyone knows Bachelor Nation, unless you're living under a rock. We have Joe Amabole. Do you like how I said your last name, right? Yeah, you almost got it right. Oh, damn it. You did the A at the end. It's E, Amabile. Amabile.

You're close. Honestly, that was as close as most people get. I called Serena's publicist to ask how to pronounce it, so I didn't have to say Grocery Store Joe. Yeah, the Grocery Store Joe thing has been going on for quite some time now. Well, former grocery store owner, which I didn't know. I thought you were a bagger when you got on to Bachelor Nation.

I'm not even kidding. Bachelor Nation, I'd like to say winner because you are now a husband dancing with the stars like fifth or sixth placer. Goat contestant, possible winner TBD. We can't tell anyone yet. Podcast host, you have a podcast with your wife called Happy Hour. Pasta sauce owner, Joe, what can't you do? I guess, I mean, there's a lot I can't do, but all the things you've named are things that I've done pretty well at. So if you want to know what Joe can't do, watch the Goat. I'm just kidding. True.

Watch this week's episode. I don't know when this podcast is airing. This will come out before Thursday. Okay, watch this week's episode. You'll see what I cannot do. Okay, I'm excited because I don't even know. I haven't seen... No, you weren't there.

Well, and when we got sent the links, like one through nine, I did not watch all of them and then they expired. So now I'm watching it on TV like the rest of the regular folk. I got it. Yeah. See, I just, um, I finished the back four, I think the day before the expiration date or I would have missed the two. So I'm glad I said, I'm glad I watched. Wait, did you get to see the finale? No. OK, we didn't get the finale either. I was about to start like texting people being like, can I please just have it? Pretty please. I like watching myself on TV.

I didn't I did not I didn't get to see it. Didn't get to watch the finale yet. OK, so you're tucked away in your gorge New York space. You have no idea how hectic it is in this apartment because we were both traveling for two weeks and we have like LaCroix just sent us like a hundred boxes of LaCroix and we have Serena had like 30 boxes come to the house. It's just a disaster. We're doing laundry. New York's a small space. But it's so big for New York. Like it's just seeing photos of when you guys just did that redec, like, I don't know how long ago that was,

but you like redecorated, I saw it on your social media. Your place is bigger than anyone's place that I'm friends with that lives in New York or any place I've been to. We stretch it. We make it, it's a nice size, I mean, but we make it look bigger.

It's like probably close to 700 square feet. Ooh, that's it. It looks so much bigger. Yeah, wow. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's New York. It's 700, yeah, that's it. It looks so much bigger. Wow. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's New York. Yeah, it's New York for sure. How big is this apartment?

Probably 12, 13. Oh, and I feel like I'm living in a shoe box. Yeah. Oh, wow. Cut that in half. No, thank you. Can't do it. We also have a German Shepherd.

OK, let's talk about your amazing journey through reality TV. You might be the like the buddy friend of mine that has done the most television shows of anyone that I know. You've done a lot of different shows. You did Family Feud. I consider that a show. I was not asked to be on Family Feud. My friends were. I've done. Okay, do you want me to go down the list? Let's do the list. You started. I want to hear it. Yeah, you do the list. So started with the bachelorette. And then I went home night one. So we don't really count that. But oh, it counts. Yeah, that's how I got my start. Then I did bachelor in paradise. Then I did Dancing with the Stars.

Then I did bachelor in paradise again. When I did like Family Feud, and then I did The Goat. That's a lot of shows. I guess, yeah, I guess it is a lot of shows. Okay, how young were you when you first did, like your very first stint on reality was The Bachelorette. Who cares if you only lasted a day? It doesn't really matter because you became super famous from it.

True, true. So how young were you? I was 30. Oh, that wasn't even that, like eight years ago? You're like 38 now? I'm 38 now, true. So how young how young were you? I was 30. Oh, that wasn't even that like eight years ago You're like 38 now. I'm 38 now. Yeah, so it was eight years ago. Wow. It was eight years ago Feel like that was yesterday. Yeah, I was 30 when I went on that show who signed you up Did you sign your I was I was actually walking through Whole Foods in the West Loop of Chicago and a lady approached me

and asked me if I was single. And I was like, yeah, what's up? And she went in her pocket or I think her purse and handed me a card that said The Bachelor. And at the time I didn't, you know, I knew what the show was, but I kind of like, I was like, oh, is this show like popular anymore? I know like my mom used to watch it like what's going on and then

I remember I called my one friend I'm like yeah I think some woman just asked me to be the next bachelor and he's like I'm pretty sure that's not how it works you have to go on the bachelor. You gotta work for it. Yeah that's how I uh that's how I got casted. You know it's so crazy Luke I don't even know if you know this so when I worked at Sir way before Vanderpump Rules way before The Valley way before way before Housewives of Beverly Hills, when we didn't even have a liquor license, I was bartending like wine and beer bar and someone from The Bachelor came in or Bachelor Nation, the show, whatever, came in and gave me a card and asked me to be like a contestant on it.

But I just started dating Tom Sandoval and I was like, I don't know. In hindsight, you should have done it. This could have been, this could be forever. I mean, I could be on Bachelor Nation instead of Bravo. Do you think if you were single at the time, you would have said, yeah? Yeah, I think so. But I thought that you get paid.

You get paid? I thought you get paid to be, or like you get like a weekly something. Not for the two main shows. So not for Bachelor or Bachelor. The only one that gets paid on that is the lead. So you have to just like leave your job, leave everything. Yes.

Well, you were the owner of a grocery store. So that was, were you just like to your tummy? So it wasn't like a massive store. It was a small store on the South side of Chicago. And I had a business partner who owned the store before I did. I went in for a percentage and I started buying all the produce and he had another store in Atlanta. So I was buying the produce for that store as well. So when I left, yeah, like he just kind of he ambled everything. But if you don't, like if you yeah, like I don't know how some people do it with like regular careers How they could just leave because you you have to potentially be gone for two and a half months

Holy shit, but yeah, you were like just hire a produce manager BRB and he was like totally do it Okay, that's fair. How do you know how much to pack? How many suitcases did you bring? So my first Stint they say pack for two and a half months but you need like multiple suits and you basically have to pack for all different types of weather because there's traveling involved. So the first time I went on, Mike, my cousin Gia who's a massive fan of the show and and Vanderpump she came over to help me like she's like I'll pack for you so she did it all she packed for me.

And yeah, then I went home night one and I felt like a fucking asshole that I basically just went home and hung everything up because I didn't wear anything. And then when I went back on, when you go on Bachelor in Paradise, you're living on a beach. So I packed a little bigger than a carry-on

and just wore a bathing suit every day Are you allowed to post mates from bachelor in paradise? Like what if you're like, oh, I want something something from the pharmacy. Yeah No, you don't have your phone. You have no access. I mean don't you have a bunch of PAs that you could just like bribe mmm, they're really strict like bachelor is like even when we Goat, it was way like, Bachelor's very, very strict on what they do. There's a drink limit. There's a lot of rules and regulations when you're with them. Was your season, I can't remember, because I've seen like every single season of The

Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, seen it all. Buddies with you and Serena, my friend Tanner and my friend, I'm going blah, blah, blah. Tanner and Jade? Tanner and Jade got engaged. I knew Jade before she even went on The Bachelor, which was like really crazy. So I just know that there are like success stories, but I'm just back to the packing thing.

I just can't imagine. And like, how do the girls get their nails done? Like, what if you need a haircut? Do you just like rely on each other? Like the boys are like, yo, like trim my neck up. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Interesting.

My last season of Paradise, they did bring in a barber towards the end. Like, I think like every like five days, you can get like trimmed up if you wanted to. But like I usually, like I usually don't care about that stuff. I'm like, I'm good. Did you get your haircut when we did the goat when tech brought his friend with the van the

Hennessy van? No I'm not taking that risk. Oh that was so fun. You got to drink a little Hennessy. That was fun I drink Hennessy there yeah out of that van too that was cool. Dude that was the tits. There we go there we go I mean I don't know how many more shows I could get cast on. But we'll see. I think you can do it forever. I mean, there's traders. Yeah, traders would be honestly, that's one show I would love to do like out of the reality TV we watch. That's one show we watch. It's like, it's a lot of fun. You actually would be good on traders because I thought you were so much more innocent than you actually are. Like you're good at playing the game. I was not. Yeah. I think that's, I think a lot of people, yeah,

think especially because like I come along with like this package of like the wholesome nickname grocery store Joe. And then you come, I come from like the wholesome franchise the bachelor like I don't think especially when you're going into a competition show I don't believe I'm ever looked at as a threat which is a good thing. Yeah especially when like on the go if you like sleep all day and you just lay low. Yeah I was gonna comment on that day that was so funny the sped up version when you just like changing positions laying on the couch all day I mean that's a strategy I bet people like Wendell and Davon are writing down like huh

do I sit back one of these days to become less of a threat? You know what though that was kind of that was a little that was bullshit because the truth is everybody was doing that shit they just got mine on camera. Not me. But everybody was off. Kristen you were in your room like everybody was chilling at some point they just. Touch point. They just- Touche. They just showcased me. Touche. I was told by all of my friends before going on The Goat, like all, like Luke, my other friends that watch

the more social games, like the big brother, the challenge, the survivor, they're like, you just gotta lay low. Don't be a big personality. I was like, totally, I got this. Don't be a big personality, Kristen. Good luck with that. Yeah.

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Could you be like, I'm running out of shit. Can I have someone mail me stuff? No, I don't think so. Again, I don't think because you're I think, and this could do you know, don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure you're being quoted. Go ahead. I'm pretty sure you film in the mansion for like only two weeks. And then it's then it's travel and no one no one in the outside world is allowed to know where you are. So no one, yeah, no, that's not going to work. Now, I believe like, let's say you're in Ireland and you run out of a shirt, I'm sure somebody

could go buy you a shirt. Like, I'm sure that could happen if it's an extreme case. So like, don't go naked or do, depending on the episode, right? Yeah. Okay, so BIP, when you went the first time, were you just like, this will be fun, it's on a beach, I'm gonna get paid, that's kind of it? Or were you like, I'm really looking for love? I don't think I ever went on the show like fully like,

oh, I'm looking for love. I was like, if I fall in love, great, if not, whatever, like it's a new experience, so I'm gonna do it. And when I went on Bachelor in Paradise, I had previous, it couldn't have gotten any worse for me. I went home night one. To me, that was the most embarrassing thing that could happen.

So I was like, why would I not, at this point, why not? And I got such a good edit that first night and got popular via like Twitter and Instagram at the time. So it was kind of like a no brainer for me to do it. Did you come up with the nickname grocery store Joe, or did they give you that just because it was as your banner and then it stuck? No, they didn't even give me. I don't think they gave me that as my banner until I went on Paradise.

They might have done that. But the nickname grocery store Joe was because I went home night one, Twitter was just like, how do you let the grocery store guy go? Like, justice for grocery store Joe. And I remember my friends watching it being like, what the fuck? Like, who is this guy? Like, what is this grocery store Joe? But yeah, Bachelor Nation gave it to me. Am I the only one that thought you were a grocery store bagger? No, no for sure not. Serena's cousin called her after we got engaged and he was like, so like did you marry a this guy bag groceries? But I had bag

groceries before. Yeah nothing wrong with an honest day's work. We don't do any our work is not an honest day's work so like I commend people. So Joe, are you still involved with the grocery store? You still have some ownership? No. I'm the only the only tie I have to grocery stores is I do have a pasta sauce Sundays with Joe that's in stores in Chicago, but I am no longer involved in any of that. Yeah. How can we buy that because it's still out of stock online. Can we like order it from a grocery store in Chicago?

Or do you have to go to Chicago? You have to fly to Chicago and buy it. Or actually, I think there is, I think we do sell it, oh, we do sell it at an online market. I think it's called, I shouldn't know the name, which is actually fucking terrible that I know. You could just Google Sundays with Joe. Yeah, this is bad.

This is bad marketing on my end, but I'll find out the name and let you know. Okay, yeah, let me know because I've tried to buy your sauce. It's good. It's a good sauce. Yeah, we sold it online for a while, but we've pulled it off recently and we'll debate if we want to restock it. Demand was just too high. Did you think about going to Shark Tank for it? No, I never thought about Shark Tank. The problem is honestly it's hard, you know, it's a glass bottle.

We had a lot of cases where bottles did explode at one point. So there's just a lot, there's a lot of headache with online sales so that's why we pulled it off for now. Oh that's smart. Climate change is very tough for mailing anything in glass. I know this from owning a wine line. Like when it's too cold or too hot, or it's traveling in that weather way, they're like, sorry, can't ship it. And you don't want to do it in plastic. It's not good for the environment, you know? And it'll taste like shit. You can't do it in plastic. Yeah, definitely. So that's where we're at.

I got to ask what motivated you? What drew you to the grocery business though? I mean, it doesn't seem like, it's not something most people are probably drawn to. It's a shit ton of skews. It's a constant turnover of food. And you said you were a produce. He just had to buy it, yeah.

No, it's the worst business of all time. So when I graduated high school, I became a trader at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. I trade in the Nasdaq pit and traded equities for like four or five years. But growing up, my father owned a produce truck and delivered produce to restaurants in Chicago. So I when I was like eight years old, nine years old, we used to go on the truck with him in the summer and it was terrible. And I remember saying I never want to be in this business. And then when I blew out in the stock market, when I was 24, it was kind of like, that was like my, my fallback.

And I was like, all right, now I'm in it. And then I kind of just started hustling my way through that. And then I got asked to go on the bachelor and I never looked back. Hell yeah. Wait, that's such a fun, good story. I love that. Is that, so that makes sense why you love talking about Bitcoin. I do love talking about Bitcoin.

I do, I mean, I am a Bitcoin believer, but we'll see. That's this one right here. As am I. I mean, we won't bore our listeners with this because I'm certain that's not what they're tuning in for, but I'd love to talk to you more. I've got all kinds of charge. She gets so annoyed when I'm looking at,

looking through everything. Obviously there's some really strong alt projects, whatever. We talked about that. Babe, we got to get in this now, babe. Yeah, we could have that conversation for sure. So speaking of making money, let's talk gambling for a minute. Sure. Do you like sports betting? Yeah, yeah, I love sports betting.

That was so much hesitancy. It's like my favorite hobby in the entire world. And I can't do it in California. You can. You just can't do it on your phone. Well, I can't do mobile sports betting. Exactly. That's the whole deal. You should consider yourself lucky that you can't bet sports. Hell no. As soon as we go to Colorado,

whenever we go out to Luke's property in Colorado, it's like I'll bet on anything. Russian table tennis. Well, are you up or down from doing that? I'm down. Yeah, you're not by like much though But some days I win like a lot of money my best friend Rachel and I she came up with this thing We like to call sprinkling. I do like a dollar but she'll about like 25 cents on something that could win her like 600 grand She puts together these like 20 leg parlays for a quarter I can win a hundred grand and she actually hit one she had a dollar on for like $7,500 last week. I'm like, okay, that's a lot more quarter bets.

That's not bad. That's not bad. I was just in Vegas. I told you I just got back from Vegas. I hit 200 bucks on the number 31 actually a couple times. So that pays 200 pays seven grand. I love roulette so much. Yeah, that's my game.

Do you always just play one number? What if you're up a lot of money? Because then I basically, especially if it's just me and all of my friends, like me, Schwartz, if Luke were there, just like our crew, Brittany, whoever, I'm like, just cover the whole board and someone wins. Yes, you know, my friends do that.

So I play 31, I play no, my friends do that. I play so I play 31. I play 28. And I play nine, I play 12. If I hit a big one, like so like I hit it was the only number I had, I put 200 on 31 because I was just feeling it and I hit it. So then what I'll do is then I'll then I'll put 309 312. I'll leave the 231 and then I'll do like 320. So then if I hit that again, then I'll put 300 on nine, 300 on 12. I'll leave the 200 on 31 and then I'll do like 300 on 28. So then if I hit that again, then I whack them and then I'll up my bat again and I'll put 500 on numbers. And then if I hit that, then I'll roll.

I wanna go to Vegas right now, so badly. Okay, but let's also talk slots because I know you won, was it 60K, 40 something K? 60. 60. My friend and I, Alan, who's a dancer, a professional on Dancing with the Stars, he's a real good friend of mine. Oh yeah.

We were in Vegas. We were in Vegas for my bachelor party and it was, I was up and I wasn't even taking, we weren't even like serious. We were just up playing late and we hit like 800 bucks in a machine and we took the 800 to a high limit pinball machine, $75 a spin. We rolled it all the way down to 50 bucks. He went in his pocket, put 25 extra in the machine.

We hit it and it was the jackpot, which was 60 grand. And we hit it. That was cool. That was one of my cooler gambling experiences. Did you have to split it with him? Of course. Yeah, we had split it. We were partners.

So we had to split it. It's like the movie, What Happens in Vegas with Cameron Diaz and she was like, it's my quarter. And they had to go to court over it. And it's like they're divorced and they really wanted to get married. And like, I don't know, it sounds like a dream. Back in the day when I used to smoke cigarettes,

rest in peace that I don't do that, rest in peace all cigarettes, but when I used to, Katie Maloney and I from Vanderpump, we would go to Vegas and we'd stay up to like six o'clock in the morning drinking Red Bull Vodkas and just putting in like a hundred bucks, smoking cigs at the Wheel of Fortune, like the dollar ones and just just like 100 bucks, 100

bucks, we'd get like 500 out each and then one would run out, we'd like loan it to the other person, take turns going to the ATM. I never won. Katie was like really good at winning jackpots. Really? I lost a few. It's like, my whole thing was like, if I lose like $2,000, I got to be done. Geez, that's way higher than my limit.

I have a decently high limit for Vegas But I'm I'm luckily I'm up the past two years. I'm up. I'm up a significant amount in Vegas So I need a diff I need to like change my ways try try something else We need to go with Joe is what what are you saying? We got to go with you is you got the you're the lucky Well, we'll see. I mean, I don't know how much longer it's gonna last. I won this this last this past trip So we'll see hopefully it keeps going. last. I won this this last this past trip. So we'll see. Hopefully it keeps going. Not gonna would yet here. Knocking on.

Nope. Dogs don't bark. I knew that was going to happen. Of course. Of course. Okay. Let's talk about you and your wifey. Let's do it. Your wedding looked fucking stunning. How far apart are you guys in age 12 years? We have 11 years difference.

Okay. Luke and I are eight years. But I don't know. So you're like, I don't know, you guys are just so cute. You get along so well. Did the age gap ever freak you out or bother you? No, no, not really. Only because I didn't, I knew she was younger than me when we met in Paradise.

But maturity level, I felt like she was probably, honestly, she's more mature than I am. And we had a connection and I was like, well, if you're on this beach, you're old enough to be here. I didn't know, I thought, yeah, I thought like maybe, I knew it was at least an eight year age gap, but then I think she was fine with it too,

pretty quickly on. And then like, yeah, like we have our wedding and like people make their jokes and all that. Like I don't really care. So yeah, no, I would say it's never really bothered me. I can't wait to show Luke when we're done. I wish I would have showed you this before, but Joe had posted on his Instagram,

a little piece of their vows. That was fucking hysterical. Thank you, thank you. That was what I was nervous about the most. The thing is I told, so I made a joke about our vows. So Welles married them. Welles did? Oh, cool.

Yeah. He knows who Welles is, yeah. Okay, yeah, so I basically teed up to where I, it seemed like I was like, you're brown hair, you're beautiful smile, and I was like, I was talking about Serena, but then I teed it up where I was talking about Wells. And yeah, I got. The look on her face. I did ask Serena beforehand.

I'm like, are you going to be offended if I tell this joke during our vows? And she's like, no, I think it's funny. OK. Oh, that's really sweet. Yeah, like if you caught her off guard and she was like, wait, just not today, Joe, what think it's funny. Okay. Oh, that's really sweet. Yeah. Like if you caught her off guard and she was like, wait, just not today, Joe, what the fuck?

Yeah. Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of women that probably would have been like really upset about that, but she was, uh, yeah, she was, she was cool with it. Dude, it was a totally hysterical, like died. When it comes to BIP, what is the truth about the boom boom room? Do you, if you want to hook up, do you have to go in there? How would they know if cameras are down, crews wrapped for the night? There's cameras everywhere. So like you're saying like if you sneak out and do it? Yeah, because I wouldn't want them capturing it on camera. I believe there's, I believe there's somebody up at all times. So like you do have like in our like in the mail quarters,

yeah, there's like a security guy there. So like if I were to like sneak out, I'm sure he alerts someone like this guy just walked away. And then yeah, because you have to, in order to hook up legally, you have to give both people have to give consent on cardio. Oh, I see. So that's where that's where it's that's why they're so strict on it. Oh, I get that. It was because after

the whole current, like, season, that got real messy, right? Yeah, because it never used to be like that. I think it was just kind of like go for it. Yeah, like a free for all. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if I did BIP knowing what I know now, I would pack an all black outfit with like, and then order on like Amazon Prime, you know, like the fake earpiece and like a fake walkie. So they would just think I'm like a PA or something.

And I'm like, oh, nope, just going to check on the girls quarters, going to check on the boys. They would probably, if you, that would make camera too, that would be great. You'd become a favorite. It'd be great TV. Yeah.

Oh my God. Well, you guys, this is how you do reality TV. So if you're listening and you want to be on the next Bachelor or Bachelorette, go to abc.com slash casting, and then order that outfit for sure. Oh my God, I'm gonna cry. That's really funny.

That is funny. Okay, something that is very important to Luke and I that I was also talking to Luke about before we got to interview you. You're from Chicago, we know that. Serena is Canadian, which I love. That's where you both were before you met, correct? Or were you already living in New York

by the time you did VIP with her? I was living in Chicago and she was living in Toronto. How did you decide to move to New York together? Because this is something we battle with is like, he lives in Colorado, he's from Indiana, I'm from Michigan, I live in California, and we're still back and forth. So how did you guys like come to that decision together?

Yeah, that's a great question. It was so COVID was still a thing. And she would just come visit me for long periods in Chicago. And then we were kind of like, all right, we're gonna move in together. It was kind of hard to pick or choose like Toronto or Chicago, because then like one person essentially, I guess, is like winning that. So we decided we both always wanted to live in New York. So we're like, let's give New York a try. And let's just see, see if that works. And like, Serena is like, one thing was like, I always want to be on this side of the country, at least the East Coast, because I want to be close to my family. And like, New York from Toronto is an hour flight from Chicago, it's an hour and a half. And we're, you know, but like when you, if you go out to the West coast, then you got the three hour time change.

It's, it's much further. So yeah, that, that's why we chose New York. And I think we're still, we don't know if this is forever home. I think we still have the conversation if we're going to go to Chicago or Toronto, if we are going to stay here. So it is, that's, that's just, that's part of or Toronto, if we are going to stay here. So that's part of long distance relationships and basically what everyone who goes through on The Bachelor, very seldomly do people meet and end up together who are both from Florida and live in Florida. It just doesn't happen. Yeah, that would also be really unfortunate if they were like, Florida, it's where we

want to live forever. I'd feel really bad for them. Seriously though. If they were like, Florida, it's where we want to live forever. Like, I'd feel really bad for them. Seriously, though. You're married now. One day, you guys will want to have kids whenever that happens. I mean, she's young. You're young for a dude.

Do you want to raise kids in New York? Have you had that conversation? Or it's just like, you're kind of taking it moment by moment. Yeah, I think we'll just kind of see where we're at when that happens. New York is probably the most expensive place in the world to raise kids. Like schools out here are insane and like it is very expensive. And like I said, like, you know, we pay a lot of money for a 700 square foot apartment. So we'll see.

We'll see when that when that comes. That's where I'm at with Kristen, as far as I mean, Los Angeles and New York are the two most expensive places to live in the country, right? And up there around the whole world, but we're talking to friends we got friends with toddlers and Just going to preschool like private preschool is more expensive than my college was I can't the tuition at a state university in Indiana is less than preschool for a year in Los Angeles It's crazy. Yeah, I know. And I'm from Chicago, which I always thought was an expensive city. And it is an expensive

city, but then when you like you match it up to your LA's in New York, the Midwest is a lot cheaper. Oh yeah, we're like in this apartment right now getting ready to look for houses out here to rent just for the time being while we're trying to get pregnant and like figure out what our plan is. And Luke's out when he was visiting back home. He's in Indianapolis and sending me houses in Indianapolis where it's like this fucking mansion for like 775,000. I was like, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, it was like a four bed, three bath on a lake on a half acre, 3,700 square feet, 775. I said, this is what our mortgage would be if we bought this because she was sending me rent on these little houses out here. And I'm like, we can pay less per month on something we own and have an awesome place. It hurt my feelings a lot. Yeah, you want to go to Indiana, you get bang for your buck out there.

I know, but I don't want to move back home. That's the tough part. Like what you were, but I don't want to move back home. It's like, that's the tough part. Like what you were saying, like you guys want to be, whenever you like decide to have a family, you want to be closer to like your family, or when you guys have children, you want to be closer to your family,

which is how we feel. But I'm like, but I left Michigan for a reason. That's why Nashville is the ultimate compromise. Let's just do it. Nashville. I could see, I could see you guys, you guys are given Nashville vibes. I could see you in Nashville. There we go. Let's just do it. Nashville. I could see I could see you guys you guys are given Nashville vibes I could see are we there we go. Thanks Joe. I think so

That's because I don't like to get ready. So I'm like very country or what that and like there's reality TV opportunities in Nashville It's very centrally located, you know, I don't know. There's a lot of positives about Nashville. Yes me. Okay, that's fair enough Nobody goes on vacation for the moments that are just... Okay. That's why Sunwing vacationers go all in like it's a buffet of fun. Whether you're skimming the treetops like Tarzan's long-lost twin... Or deep end swimming with your flippers and fins. Or maybe you're just perfecting the art of doing absolutely nothing.

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We've got a grocery store edition of our rapid fire questions just for you, Joe. Just for you. All right. Let's see where my knowledge is at. It's not knowledge is more like favorites or this or that. Right. So what's your favorite frozen pizza? Oh, home run in. It's a Chicago based brand. OK. Hell, yeah.

Deli meat, deli meat deli meat Braschuto chips chips. Oh I mean, I would say like all-time favorite. It's got to be Doritos cool ranch And then I like like the kettle cooked salt and vinegar chips. There we are. I was literally eating some I've got some on a plate right here kettle cook salt and vinegar Yeah, the reason we don't we have them here The reason why we don't buy them all the time is because I'll eat the whole fucking bag as soon as we get it.

That's my biggest food vice is chips. Absolutely, I feel you there. And I don't even have chips in the house when Luke's not here, because I'll get stoned and do the exact same thing. All right, what's your favorite fruit? I like the tie between kiwi and blueberries. Nice, I've never heard that before. Same blueberries. Nice. I've heard that before.

Same thing. Nice. Eggs, brown or white? Brown. Olive oil or butter? That's a hard one. I hate that. It's butter now, but it used to be olive oil for everything. If you when you spun the wheel on the goat, if you had gotten the stick of butter, could you have done it? No, fuck no. That to me was one of the gross.

When he did that, I was fucking screaming. They don't even show it. That was one of the I couldn't believe it the way he ate that and he ate it. And he was like, it didn't face him and all I was like, this man is a beast. It might have been my favorite scene. One of my absolute favorite scenes of the entire series thus far. Oh, that was so that was it was hot out. That was so crazy. I couldn't believe the way he ate that was so that was it was hot out that was so crazy I couldn't believe the way he he ate that. I mean it certainly looked like it wasn't his first time eating a stick of butter I'll just say that. Yeah no 100% he loves it. He loved it loved it all right last question paper or plastic? Paper. Paper yeah yeah don't worry about them falling apart on you. Yeah

good for the environment. Yeah, I'm pro earth. I'm anti plastic these days. That's fair. Okay. Let's talk about the goat a little bit more. I was thinking the finale was this week and the finale is definitely not this week. We have like a few more weeks, right? Yeah, this week will be episode. This will be episode eight. So, okay. Wait, is it true? So I watched your, I watched your episode with Tosh on his podcast. Is it actually true that Nick Viall was supposed to be on our show? I didn't know that. Or is he fucking with you?

I don't know how far he entertained it, but I know that they definitely asked him. Alon definitely asked Nick for sure. Cause Nick told me. I'm wondering if he was already asked to do Special Forces or not. No, no, he wasn't. Okay, Special Forces was was casted after our show. I know that for sure. Yeah, Nick and Caitlin, Caitlin Bristol, too. No shit. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Special Forces something you would do? Or is that not in your wheelhouse? No, I would do it. I would do Special Forces. Oh yeah, I love it too. He's like flexing his bicep

right now. No, I want I wanted to do it but I don't think I think they said I wasn't famous enough. Motherfuckers. Well you are now. When you first got asked to be on The Goat, did you think there were going to be other Bachelor people? No, no, I definitely did not. Did you think you were gonna know who anyone was? Well, I knew who you were and I knew you got casted. I didn't know if I would know anyone personally, but I knew, I mean, now being in the reality space for so long, I know pretty much most people are,

so I figured I would know someone. Yeah, The Goat helped me with that a little bit more. I knew almost everyone was, not quite everyone, but when I saw Tech and then you guys, you and Tasha and my Bravo people, I was like, yes, I know these people. They don't know me, but I know them. You know what I mean? Were you excited when you found out we were allowed to have our phones? Yeah. No? Didn't bother you?

No, I mean, I, well, we kind of knew. I was just kind of like, how am I going to survive in this house every day? That's what I was thinking. What were you freaked out about? Or like, what was your concern? This is great. I don't, I would think I was just like, I don't know. You're just like, it's reality TV.

He's like these fucking crazies. It takes me like, honestly, it takes me doing any show. Like when I was kind of like, everyone's like, you're being quiet, you don't really wanna be here. It takes me a few days, three to four days to kind of like settle in and get comfortable because there's a part of me that's kind of like, I'm in my own head, like why are you here?

What are you doing? Just go home kind of a thing like you're a grown-up like But then I'm kind then I kind of like lean into it so it takes You were there to make money man. Did that not motivate you were you not like I can win this shit No, I didn't I didn't I didn't really know what we signed up for to be honest because when they'd called me they're like it's a competition show but it's a comedy and we're all in on it and we're just they're really there to have fun same and I was like okay like well I was like it's a comedy but like are we the comedy am I the fuck a joke are you laughing at

our expense the entire fucking time yeah so. Yeah. So I don't know. I didn't really put too much thought into the competition aspect of it until I was there and then in it. Until there were less people, probably. I think right after I started really taking it serious right after the first elimination because I was like, okay, well, this this is what the show is. And there can only be one winner. And like, I have to make sure that my name isn't up there.

You know that I was never once the goat. Well, I was only on four episodes, but I was also never asked to be on anyone's team. Really? I was always on the reject team, but usually my reject team won until it did. I truly thought you were gonna win the goat when we did the trivia challenge through the mud. I thought you were like, you were like locked in.

You were like the only one that wasn't going through the mud. And then, yeah, and then you slipped up at the end. I slipped up on the chest. Two sides of the chest board. Yeah. So my other favorite moment thus far watching the goat was when you had a little one-on-one with that weird demonic plastic giant goat that was in the front room. How drunk were you when you were? I was pretty, I was drunk. I knew it. I was drunk. Yeah. Yeah, at that

point in the house, you were gone, right? Were you still there? I was gone. Yeah, you're gone. I don't think I think like you and I are the only ones drinking whiskey. Yeah. I was like, all right. Like there was nothing to do. And like, yeah, they made it seem like I was the one that was like separated from everyone. But I was up drinking all the time. I was like, let's mean we're here. We're in this house. Might as well have fun. Right. We had a ginormous mansion. But so I explained this before, like we were not allowed to drink, obviously, before challenges because safety reasons. We had a lot of there was like a TV producing team.

There was like the people with the money because it's like all legal shit that I was like not familiar with. But then when we were done, mostly done filming, but done with at least all competitions, they always had beer and tequila. And I'm just like not a fan of tequila very much. Like Vanderpump ruined that for me. So I'm like, can I please just get some like bourbon?

Like that's what I drink. And then I remember we like, you were the only one who had partake in the bourbon with me. But when I watched that scene with you and the goat, I was like, oh my God, this is the cutest thing I've ever seen is drunk Joe. I was drinking the bourbon that night and I was the only one up.

I was the only one up. So we're like, it was just me and one of the producers were like, let's just go have some fun. He's like, just go talk to the goat. Like it's not gonna make air. And then they lead the episode with it. I'm like, God damn it. It was great. Like I said, one of my favorite. It was like, God damn it. It was great. It was so good.

I mean, that was great. I'm a big fan. I've got a question about you and Wendell. So did you find out why Wendell was gunning for you? Like why he kept voting for you? I know I think it made it. I mean, I knew I like Wendell and why new Wendell was playing a game. And it just it made sense because I was the only one that wasn't at least that he knew about that wasn't locked in on his alliance so he knew like me floating around

was was an issue for him so he he knew he had to go after me and I I luckily had picked up on it and made a move before he made a move on me that he didn't know about and that's why I was safe basically the whole time. That was a good move and me that he didn't know about. And that's why I was safe. Basically the whole time. That was a good move. And it was quite clear, you know, when they're popping the balloons of goat meal above you, like, yeah, I don't know. That's one of the few times I feel like you can make it obvious who you're going after because you know who voted for you the last two times.

Was it already two times at that point? I mean, he yeah, everyone knew. I yeah, what I know now about that kind of game, like I want to go back to Goat Manor at some point. I mean, yeah, everyone knew. I, yeah. What I know now about that kind of game, like I want to go back to Goat Manor at some point. I want to play again. I would play that game so differently than the way I did it the first time. Yeah, yeah, you have to.

And I think that was what was different about our show is I think a lot of people, I would say majority of the house kind of had your attitude of like, let's go, let's have fun. Like it's not that serious, but that fucks everything up in the house kind of had your attitude of like, let's go, let's have fun. Like it's not that serious, but that fucks everything up in the house because then you have like some people who are really seriously playing a game.

And then you have some people that aren't. And that's why the voting kept getting screwed up because like some people were like, well, that's actually not fair. And then like the game players are like, it doesn't matter. Like you're, we were playing a game. You vote with your alliance. That's what you do.

Yeah, and if I were to do that all over again, it would be the person is not the player and the player is not the person. But I was like, why don't you guys like me? You're voting me out of the house. I was so sad. And then I was like, oh, this is just for fun. Come on, don't get it together.

I felt bad when you were going. You're like, will you not vote for me? I'm like, honestly, this is just for fun. Come on, don't get it together. I felt bad when you were on your like, you're like, will you not vote for me? I'm like, honestly, I'm going to vote for you because like it's just like the easy move. Like that's the thing you have to like in these competition shows. What what what I realized is you just you like you said, Luke, you have to you have to just kind of stay quiet. And as long as it's not you like, think about it, like if I went, like when you were going home, Kristen, if I was like, fuck that, like Kristen's my friend, I'm not gonna vote for her, you still would have went home.

And then they just would have got me next week. So it's like, you can't be a loyal or nice person at these shows. You have to just like, you have to look at it like, hey, this is a board game and I wanna want to win and I want to beat everyone. And I may have to manipulate and do some things in order to win. I mean, I told Jill, like literally a couple of weeks ago, I was texting with Jill's Erin and she was like, well, who else voted you out? Because if I think about it, I could

show this is still going on in Jill's mind, like God bless her. And I said, oh, Davon voted me out. She's like, wait, what? I didn't know that. I was like, yeah, Davon straight up walked up to me and said, I will be a fucking target if I don't vote you out, and there's already too many votes against you. And I was like, girl, do you?

It's all good, I had a great time. Yeah, I think for a show like this, Davon and Wendell, it'd be almost impossible for them to win. Like, it takes such a perfect game from there to pull it off to win the whole thing, because everyone knows from the beginning, never know their game players. Right. Well, I know we just saw Wendell go home, but Davon, it just in general come into it like this, like there's no innocence. They know exactly what they're doing and they're playing. You know, they're the orcas.

What do you call the conductor of the orchestra? They're trying to, you know, move people around and get people on their sides. That is the game. It's just, man, convince all these people that that deserves to win. I just never took anything. I took everything personally

the day that I was getting kicked off because I was just sad, but I really didn't truly take anything personally. Like when I came home, I didn't care what Reza said about me on the show. I was like, yeah, it's a TV show. It's a game. It's all good fun.

The only thing that really I thought was funny, and I don't know if you know this joke, but the challenge where Davon threw the challenge. Yeah. She told me that was to save me. So that, I was convinced that was all for me. It was so not at all. Well, why did she, It might have been though.

I mean, it didn't say that on the show, but she was like, they're gunning for you. So I'm going to make sure. Like she says on the show, she was going to take she wanted to take Justin out. But to me, she was like, I'm just doing this to save you. And I was like, OK. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was the thing. I just know I know that the Lauren decision. the Lauren decision for all the guys to vote Lauren was a last minute

decision. I heard that was... And that could have been... Because I wasn't deep in the guys' alliance, but that could have been... But from my understanding, that was like, last minute, let's do this. Such a fucking fun show. What was your favorite challenge and least favorite challenge? My favorite challenge was the one

that you were really bad at. The blindfolded one? Yeah. The blindfolded one, because that one I was really good at and our team, even if you got it, like our team, I just remember I was like like you wouldn't like our team, we are just remember I was like, wow, we all did great. Like we did this as quick as possible.

So that one I that what I enjoyed. Yeah, Kristen, I was like, Oh, no, this is a rough one. People don't know people actually believe this, but Kristen is deaf, you won't believe how loud I have to speak to her sometimes and a close proximity, I'll say something a normal level slightly elevated level nothing she does her hearing is not great and all I could hear is Dave on the entire time so I was like wait what that was good what was your least favorite that is aired already yeah it's majority of them pretty much all I never really was big on the, I like the social aspect of the game.

I wasn't super big on the challenges because I'm a little uncoordinated and a little awkward and I would always be in my head before most of them. And I knew I would like, yeah, I just was like, ah, these are silly, I'm gonna look silly. Oh, my least favorite, the talent show. I hated the talent show, I hated that. I hated every second of that.

That was your least favorite. What about getting the goats with the giant cockroaches or like throwing up or? No because I know like that's oh that's mental like I can get past that like I can't get past the fact that like I will never feel comfortable dressing up like um who is it Russell Simmons is that his name? Yes. And dancing in front of a bunch of people. Like I just, I, that makes me uncomfortable. No, Richard Simmons, not Russell Simmons. Richard, yeah. Russell Simmons. Two different, two different people. I was like, yeah, totally. Yeah. So yeah, that was my least favorite. Oh, that was like one of my favorite ones. I didn't have to wear a shirt. It was great.

Were you actually asleep on the couch? I know we kind of addressed this, but you were like in the middle of everybody. You said everyone chilled at certain times. Kristen went to her room. How did you pull off sleeping in the middle of the house on the couch? What loud as fuck? I don't think I was sleeping.

I just think I was laying. Even if my eyes were closed, I mean, also, I don't know, maybe I was sleeping. I mean, we were drinking and we were not, we were barely like, we would still, we'd get our phone back at the end of the night, but that usually wasn't till midnight 1 a.m. and then your adrenaline's kinda going.

And we're sleeping in twin beds and I'd wake up at like 5 a.m. So I would only sleep four hours a night and then probably, yeah, maybe I dozed off. I don't know. That's fair enough. Okay, I have one more question just about the stuff that's been airing. So the 60 second challenge where you guys had to guess like how long 60 seconds was,

who played the goat rockets? Were they PAs? Was that Tasha's wife? Like who was playing those goats? I think they were, yeah, I think they were like PAs or people that like were part of the competition side of things setting those things up That's what they were. I don't even know what was going on and that was that was so crazy I got a question I got a question to tag on to that too because as soon as you went immediately after the first person I told Chris and

That was immediately when they named the game. I'm like, that's the perfect strategy. You got like no reason to wait. If someone goes hit right after him, most people are gonna be short. Is that, was that your strategy? Were you even counting? Yeah, I didn't count for one of them. I think I counted the first one.

So that my strategy was, cause I did it like I count it beforehand. I was like, okay, the normal person is going to count fast. Like, you're just going to, your nerves are going to be going, you're going to count a little faster. So I was like, count very slow. And then as soon as they hit, you hit. And if I believe my slow marker will be close, and then I would hit.

When I counted slow to 60, if I would have gotten to 60, I would have hit. But I was like, just hit after the normal, the person goes. Yeah, great strategy. Fucking wild. Okay, so what's your next reality show going to be? You won't do Survivor. Would you do Amazing Race? I would do Survivor. You would do Survivor?

I would do Survivor, yeah. I would probably do, I don't know, there's not too many I would turn down. Naked and Afraid. I've never watched Naked and Afraid, but I don't think, there's not too many I would turn down. Naked and afraid. I've never watched Naked and Afraid, but I don't think I would do it. Here's the thing, I don't wanna do anything that I could potentially get bit or have anything, any long term disease or anything like that

that's gonna fuck me up, I'm not doing it. That's what I'm saying. So no Naked and Afraid for you then? Yeah, absolutely not. disease or anything like that, that's gonna fuck me up, I'm not doing it, that I'm saying. So no naked and afraid for you then? Yeah, absolutely not. I'm not going, like if I could get bit by a snake or a tarantula or something, I'm not putting myself in that situation, I don't care that much.

Just self-preservation, that's all that is. Yeah, makes sense. Is there anything else that's off limits as far as TV shows? I wish Fear Factor was still on. You wouldn't do that, though. Yeah, I probably wouldn't do that. I mean, I think I could, but I wouldn't.

I would be more like, yeah, like I'm more into like the show that looks the most fun right now is Traders. Like that one actually looks like it's fun. Well, let me add two part question. Would you do the go as a contestant again? And second question, would you go back to be like, to like co-host an episode or something like that? Definitely, I would definitely go back to like co-host

an episode or just take Tosh's job. I would- It's coming for you to tell Tosh. Honestly, if they called me again to do it, I would think I would, I would probably want more details. Like if they're calling a bunch of people back, like is it going gonna be a little different or the game's gonna be the same? But yeah, I mean, who knows?

I'll entertain anybody. What if they did like goat couples? That would be the tits. That would be, yeah, that would be cool. And we got like at least a queen size bed to share with our person. I mean, Serena and I have talked about about a couples competition show. I don't know how no one

has done it yet. I'm currently trying to pitch it. So. Oh, so so survivors actually done a blood versus water one where you have family and couples. So it's like it's blood thicker than water to mess with the alliances. Are you going to vote off your sister or your dad or you know, your wife kind of thing? See, that's cool. That's interesting to me. That's fun. Elan, caca, we want a couples competition show.

Joe is gonna pitch one. You know, you can give us a LOI. We'll sign a letter of intent. We're in, just so you know, when you go pitch this. Yeah, 100%. Awesome. Anything you wanna plug, Joe? Yeah, sure.

You could follow me on Instagram. Joe Mobly one. I got tick tock to something similar to Joe Mobly. Joe Mobly underscore one. Yeah. Other than that, yeah, we have a Serena and I have a podcast called Bachelor Happy Hour where we recap the show and we interview guests from bachelor nation. Which will literally you'll make money on that forever because Bachelor I think will never end. Yeah unless they fire us. And then yeah Sundays with Joe, my pasta sauce if you're in Chicago you get at like Mariano's or a bunch of local stores out there. And if you're not in Chicago we're going to figure out what that online one is because I would like to try some.

Actually, I know what it's called. Hair, Hair Market just came to me. Hallelujah. Hair, Hair Market, you're here to hear. Rock and roll. Okay, Joe, we love you so much. Give Serena our love. Thanks for coming on.

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