Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Tea Time with the BravBros

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Episode 28. This week, Kristen and Luke spill the tea with the BravBros - Shooter & Steel! They first uncover how Shooter & Steel went from baseball players to successful hosts of a Bravo-based reality TV podcast. Kristen breaks the fourth wall for the fans by revealing the REAL story behind THAT green dress. Find out why the BravBros dig Summer House but aren’t fans of its Winter spin-off! Kristen & Luke ask the tough questions: Do the Bros get to watch their shows without their significant others? Can choosing sides on a show cause friction at home (or in their friendship)? Kristen applauds the BravBros for roping Luke into reality TV with sports analogies. Thank you to our sponsor, BetterHelp! Go to BetterHelp.com/DOUTE for 10% off your first month of therapy Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music What is up, Gorgeous People! Welcome back to another episode of Sex Love and What else Matters. Today, we have two really fun guests. I'm very stoked about. We have Shooter and Steel, also known as the Brawf Bros. I am excited to get some bros on this podcast. I bet you are. I think it's going to be a good one this week. Alright, let's get to it. Hi guys, how are you?

Nice to meet you, virtually. That were great. Thanks for having us. We're really excited to get into this. Yeah, I'm pumped. I'm, uh, Vanderpumpel is my original favorite show. It's what got me into Bravo. My wife is a huge Dodie fan. So like, what I told her that we were going to talk to, she was so excited. She's upstairs right now that you have to tell her, like, how much I love there.

I was like, I got you to do it, don't worry. Okay. So like, first questions first. And I'm sure you answer this. I know that you talked about the Sun Ryan Bailey, but why? What got you into Bravo? Like I did listen to some of it, and then I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I want them to tell me instead of, you know.

Did you, okay, first question, did you watch any reality TV pre-Bravo? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Mine was the Bachelor, I was a big Bachelor fan. Oh. Bachelor in Paradise, actually, which is,

that was my go-to, but with the bravo of it all, if you will, it was mid-pandemic. And my wife and I were stuck in the house. We lived in like a little row home at the time. So there was really only like one living space. She decided that she was gonna rewatch all of Anderpum from season one all the way on. Well, I'm so sorry.

Well, it led to this. So it's all good. We're good. But as she's watching it, like in the beginning, I tried to check out. I wasn't paying attention. I was like looking at my phone and I would just hear shit come out of the TV and like, you know, is peak, stossy and jacks. So they were going through all their stuff.

And. So you're hearing Laura Lee's voice just ring throughout your house. Exactly. I just hearing sounds. And like people saying outrageous things and like horrible things to one another. I'm like, whoa, what did they say? And next thing you know I'm watching it with her.

And next thing you know, she's going to the store to get food for the week and I'm still watching. And then she's going to bed and I'm knocking out like five episodes and it's like 3 a.m. And then from there like escalated to real housewives and some of the other shows, but I got hooked on Vanderpump. And I was just like, wow, this is great TV.

I don't know how you can not watch this. So, and then Shooter had a similar experience, but I'll let him tell it. My mind was very similar except I was more like the angry dad in the corner. So my girlfriend at the time was watching, I think she was watching Jersey or New York, and I just couldn't handle it.

Like I would look in and be like, why are they screaming at each other? This is really annoying. And I'd walk away and she kind of just tried to ease me into it so she put on summer house. And I'm like, ooh, these guys are partying. They're fun. They're yelling at each other.

They're getting blacked out in the Hamptons. I've been to the Hamptons before. It's a great time. So I started to watch that and then I kind of gave the housewives a bit of a chance, a little bit more. You know, spending quality time with your girlfriends. And and then before we knew it still and I were at different parties We've been friends for almost 20 years and I think we were at somebody's birthday party and all the girls were up on the deck Talking about Bravo and we could hear them so then we started commenting to each other and then the typical like the very cliche

You guys should store the podcast and we start laughing about it. And then Steel just texted me maybe like two weeks later on a Saturday morning. So I bought a bunch of equipment, I think we're just gonna start this podcast. So we started it off and honestly, like we started off kind of low and we were like, wow, 60 people are listening to us, this is nuts.

And then we went on, we made friends with Zach Peter and we started doing a little bit more. And now we're, I mean, we never imagined getting this far, but here we are. Yeah, we did a live show last week in Philly. We sold it out. It was with Zach Peter, actually. Hell yeah, congrats. Thank you.

Yeah, it was awesome. But I was standing on stage at one point, like with Shooter, and I was like, dude, how fucked did we get here? Like the room was, like the energy was through the roof and everyone was like so excited. We got Dorenda, was our guest and Chris Bassett came out. So it was like one of the most fun nights of my life, but there was definitely that moment at one point where I kind of looked at him and was like, dude,

how do we get here? Like how are we on stage right now talking about Bravo in front of 150 people? Like, I'm grateful. How young are you guys? We're in our 30s. We're about 32. 32. Okay. His age. Nice. Nice. I know.

Can you see LA rubbing off on me? This is not me. Is it the shirt? Yeah, I think I just assumed that you were from LA with that shirt. No, LA just threw up on me. I took him to Zara. I took him to Zara and I was like, let's find a style. He's like, no, I don't. I cannot stand Zara. I have to get out of that store as soon as I go in. I have friends, like guy friends that shop there, and I'm like, you're an idiot. I gotta go.

By the way, dude, you look great. That's what's going on. Yeah, really? You look good. It doesn't work on the East Coast as much. West Coast, you can do whatever you want. You're good. Right.

So I have a question before we get into all all the vandor thing. I just have so many questions for you guys, but because you mentioned summer house, I wanted to ask you how do you feel about summer house? And now how do you feel about winter house? I have a very strong opinion. Oh, I hate winter house. I think winter house is the most useless show on work. It's so dumb. These one off like spin off. Like, hey, maybe somebody will like this. Like, no, it's stupid. We get enough of them in the summer,

or I guess now we don't really care about the mouse where we'll hear some tidbits and whatever. Just I think they use winter house as like a tryout. So they'll just throw people in. Yeah, let's just keep going. Why not? But the state of summer house is in a very fragile state. I love summer house.

And we even talked to Carl about this a couple of weeks ago. We tweeted out that, well, we actually posted a video that the show sucked. I went on a rant about how I felt like it was falling apart. They needed to do some dire things. Carl commented back and said, well, I'd love to hop on your podcast and talk about it. We had him on. He promised that the season was going to get better and it has for the most part. We're holding on hope because like steel

with Vanderpump, like he loves Vanderpump and he was so upset. He was seeing it go in the wrong direction and now he's like, we're back baby. I need that same, maybe without the scandal. I need that same reinvigoration for Summer House. Yeah, like if I feel that I'm not a huge Bravo watcher anymore and Luke knows nothing, He's seen two episodes.

I'm catching up, not really. I started watching it, though. How many episodes did you have in your phone? So when we started dating, she told me, I have to promise not to watch Vanderpump rules. Oh, really? Okay, no argument there. I've never been into that kind of thing.

So no problem. And now we're doing a recap. And so I've seen like four episodes now all recent and she's like, still don't watch the old ones. You don't want to see me on the old ones. I'm doing it carefully. You're going to get hooked. Well, look, I mean, I think that you should dive back

into the old ones. And I say this, and watch. Are you trying to get me into that? Yeah, Kristen's so funny with that. Yeah, she's like, please don't tell me. Watch it. Don't watch it. OK, but I'm like, here are you out.

Here's why. And this comes from watching on Watch What Happens Live last night, the growth that you have done from your time on Vanderpump to the person I saw last night was like, it was genuinely, it's impressive. You've seen very sure of yourself. You've seen very confident. And like the way that you discussed everything going on

was a Christian that I hadn't really heard before in a very good way where you you're very pragmatic at your approach and you kind of break it down. You're not getting too emotional about you understand the situation. You're not taking a firm stance like your sympathetic to Ariana. There's obviously been a lot of questions at you like well this compares to this and this compares to this and you've done a really good job of being like, you know what? It has nothing to do with me. This is not Ariana.

It's about my friend. We're trying to get her through this. And that's all. So I think that for Luke's sake, if he does watch the early episodes, like, yeah, you're going to see some shit. I'm not going to lie. You're going to see some shit. But to see where she is now, I think it's really impressive.

And I think that you should take a lot of pride in that. Thank you. I mean, you're so nice. You'd be interested in a mess and not taking accountability for anything and always playing the victim. And that I feel like with this whole scant of all thing, it's like people are saying like, well, you know, but Kristen, you were, this is something I've been hearing a little bit lately. Like, Kristen, well, you were in your late 20s, right? Rekels in her late 20s, right? Okay, totally fair. I am very open to that even though I think she's trash.

But are we gonna see growth? I feel like she's working at like a cell phone on 6%. Like where? What is the growth? You're gonna go to a mental health facility but you really went to a day spa, you cried to your parents, you hire 15 PR companies to give you some bullshit thing on Instagram because nothing is working.

She's grabbing it, straws, and nothing's working because she can't just be genuine. I was saying she came in, I do it all differently. Like, Kristen is one of the founders that built that show, right? Yeah. And the girls come in as a fan. As a fan and like quickly rose to the point where she's like recognized and and you know also making good money and everything and you know look at the first couple years I at least I know from Kristen starting a show or

any new show you're not making any money right you're still just barely getting by there's no publicist there's no manager there's no one in your ear trying to tell you how to make this better for you season two or in three I think we're the the most broke that all of us have ever been. Because not only you obviously were not making a lot of money on the show, but now the show is building and we can't really work there. We also are no longer allowed to do these like modeling jobs, small acting gigs, extra work, whatever it was we were doing on the side to pay

our rent. Oh, you're not allowed to. Yeah, like there's no time. Oh, okay. Wow. It's like here's your sky, here's your call time, your schedule. Of course, you can always say like, well, I have this thing coming up. And maybe they'll give you the time off to do it. Maybe they're interested in filming it, but if they're not, then you can't.

Yeah, wow. And then over time, as the show builds, now you're just this like reality personality. Like they don't want you in this modeling campaign or this TV show because now you're slightly recognizable. So I'm talking like negative bank accounts, splitting $5 foot longs, using your tips to get like an employee lunch at Sir in order to just like eat. That's why we were so skinny.

Now, that's that, we love, and maybe it's because we're men, but we love when people break the fourth wall because we always know what's going on. So we always talk about like, you know, when producers have their hand and stuff and how they're trying to steer the season and we try to get as much out as we possibly can. So you saying that to us is like, it's a bit of a holy grail almost for us because we're like, we need to know more about this. And we always get shit from like our listeners or other people who have seen our clips before. They're like just watch the show and enjoy it. And it's like, all right, but you're in my comments defending somebody you've never met. So are you watching the show and enjoying it? No. So let me watch it. How I'm going to watch it losers. But anyway, on the sand deval thing, because this

is something that's been bothering me. I know it's been bothering steel. What in the world is it about sand of all the women are attracted to? I can't figure it out. You noted as I'll just speak for myself in the beginning. I mean, I was 24 years old when I met him, Jacks introduced me to him. I barely knew anyone in LA. And I was like so brand new, so green. And not only was he like so charming and you know he's very outgoing and it's like all the things we kind of hate about him now, but imagine like that with no money. You know what I mean? It's kind of endearing almost. Yeah, and it's and he's from St. Louis and I'm from Michigan and it was for me. It was just like, wow, this Midwest guy, but he is a little fancy. Like, and it's kind of,

it's, you know, in the beginning, he's charming. He tells you everything you want to hear. And then as time progresses, he just starts stealing not only your spotlight, but like literally your, your shine, like your soul shine. Yeah. I taught him to play guitar, guess who stopped playing guitar because it was all about him. We were both acting, guess who stopped acting because everything was about Tom all the time. It's like, you see that with what he did with Ariana with the cocktail book. It was her idea with Danny Pellegrino, and Tom could never just let her have her moment. He had to, he still. And with Raquel, I think the reason that he likes Raquel is because she validates all of those attention needs that he so desires

and Ariana is a real partner. So when he's wrong, she's going to let him know, but it's not like she's degrading him or anything like that, but she's not being a constant yes person. Tom Sandeval, pre-scandable, has more friend groups than any human I've ever met, including Shina. He has so many best friends because he just needs that constant attention, constant has more friend groups than any human I've ever met, including Shina. Yeah. That's not the best. He has so many best friends because he just needs that constant attention,

constant validation. That's why he goes out. He's going to pat on me ass all the time. Well, to your point earlier about, like why I think it's different as far as, you know, you and Sandevol versus now with him and Raquel and all the things that happened in the past compared to today and

like where you guys were at in your lives. I think that's the biggest thing. Like you guys were still, I think age is kind of irrelevant. You guys are finding yourselves, you're all still trying to figure out what exactly are you doing with your life. Like you didn't really have a direction that you were locked in on. So you guys are all kind of bouncing off of each other to figure out what's next. In this situation, we have somebody that built an entire life.

Like you have a house, you have businesses, you have... Exactly. ...for everything but a ring. You were pretty much married. So I think comparing the two as apples to oranges, I don't think it's even remotely the same thing. I think when you say, like, yeah, we were kids, we were young and they go for like, well, you were in your late 20s.

It's like, yeah, but as far as where you were in your life Especially in LA like my brother lives in LA's in most fealous people tend to kind of take their time with like moving forward You guys never never land. Yeah, you're it's not the age. That's a really good point It's not it's not about like the number of years you've lived But it's the where you are and exactly exactly. No, that's an excellent point. And we were very kind of lost. And I'll be the first to say, I cannot believe I was with him for almost six years,

but it was very much out of the last probably four years where I'd have convenience. Like, well, we just shared the DVR box. Yeah. Yeah. It was easier to stay together and cheat on each other than it was. We knew we didn't have a future. And then even when we broke up, I can say in hindsight, it wasn't like I was missing him because the him that I fell in love with no longer existed. It was just like another of oh shit. Now what do I do?

I put six years into this and now I have to start over. But Ariana, I never thought he would do that to her ever. I think nobody did. I think that's why it was so earth shattering to the point where they're talking about it on CNN at one point. I think I get shot and so crazy. But the one thing I do want to ask as we see clips coming out of the things that he was saying to you in regards to Ariana and the things that he's saying to you in regards to Ariana and the things that he's saying about Raquel and interviews and stuff, they are shockingly similar. So looking back, looking at him now, and now he's on this bullshit healing journey where

he feels like he should be posting on Instagram about, like, hiking and shit. Like, it's the time to do that, but that's a whole different thing. With Billy Lee. Yeah. With Fucking Billy Lee. We have questions about that, but that's a whole different thing. With Billy Lee. Yeah. With Fucking Billy Lee. We have questions about that, too, totally. But watching it play out like this, is it quite clear that this dude is just, he's just broken, like this guy, it's a pattern.

It's not him trying to figure him out. It's not him trying to praise this girl in his life that, oh, she's magnifying and she's electric and like all this shit when he said the same exact stuff about Ariana to you and made you out to be the crazy person in the Situation and in reality you were right. He was the one that was fucking around. So Watching that back like how does that make you feel like are you do you feel vindicated are you more so just Glad that it's coming to light and but not yeah, it's sad. It's it's really sad because now Ariana who's put 10 years of her life into someone, into a partnership has to start over.

I mean, it's not too late. She's not too old, anything like that, but just like a decade. A decade is a really long time. Yes, she obviously had opportunities. She's been doing amazingly for so long and has been using her platform this whole time to build businesses for herself.

But it's just like, damn, all the opportunity and all the time lost in giving herself to him her, you know, her blood sweat tears, her love, it's just really fucking sad. But I'm glad. I mean, I just I never thought he was, this was going to be who he was. So I feel like I've not hit that stage of my grieving process for Ariana right now. I don't think he's going to change ever. I don't either. Yeah, no, probably not.

I think this is the path that he's always going to be on. He's going to be that guy at 60, 70 years old who just has like girlfriends. He's not he's not going to find his true meaning in life because I don't think he has any want or need or care to do so. I think he wants to be famous and that's all he has to look forward to. Well, that's why it pretends to be a rock star and some bullshit cover band where he's walking around like he's fucking Bon Jovi or some shit. Exactly. It's a weird comparison. Bon Jovi. There's a weird pic. Anybody else? Two Bon Jovi videos.

Wait, yeah, this is, have you been in? No, Tom Stavall was in two Bon Jovi videos. And I used Damnit. Good job. And one of them was with Matthew McConaughey's now wife. Oh, really? Yeah. I know this.

Then I used Bon Jovi as a, that gives him credit almost. I kick. Whoops. No one can come to a long hobby everyone. Yeah, no, he owns the the arena football team in Philly. Does that help you a soul? He sure or at least he did. I don't think they're around anymore. Yeah. All right, they all right.

All right. But no, so what is it like then we want to kind of direct it towards you now, because I feel like we can talk about Scandalball for the next 10 hours if we wanted to. But for you specifically, can you walk us through, what was it like leaving the show?

Do you feel like any relationships were fractured along the way, specifically with LVP? Do you still keep in touch with anybody else or anything else? Or is it really just like, that was a different stage of my life. And I'm moving on. And here I am.

I mean, number one, what relationship with LVP? Let's be honest. Yeah. There hasn't been one since maybe like 2007, 2008 when she was just my friend's mom. I'm not, you know, afraid to say how I feel about her. I don't, I don't like the disrespect. And I see it also, I think a lot more clearly now, just really quickly because I obviously have not been on TV

for three years. I did just film a competition series called The Goat, coming to Amazon Freebie. I don't know when or I can't tell you when. But working on that project and being treated with such respect and acknowledgement by my producers as someone who knows what I'm doing, rather than as like a five-year-old child

who is still a waitress that works at her restaurant. Like, lady, I'm 40 years old. Yeah. We've gotta move on. Like, you're the one acting like a little teenager, like middle school mean girl now, and it's just like, it's old. It's not cute anymore.

I don't know, it's just little. But, yeah, leaving the show, it was probably, like, it took like two years from me to get past it. My friends were always my friends before Banderpump and after Banderpump, so that wasn't really affected and I'm super grateful for that. And I think one of the harder things was watching

once the pandemic was over and being like, what are you guys doing today? Yeah, let's hang out. We all live in the valley and they're like, oh, we're filming. It's like great. Yeah. I gotta find another group of friends to hang out with.

Yeah. So that was, that was pretty difficult. And even getting asked back to do that one scene with Ariana was, oh, that was, that was a tough one that I did not see coming. And Luke was here for that. Like, when I got that phone call, but I literally started crying and I just,

I'm like, I wasn't prepared for this. I don't know what to do. I don't want to, number one, number two, I don't want to be seen as an opportunist or like a thirst trap. And it really, and I've said this, you know, before on our podcast and like on Instagram and whatever, but it really did come down to what Arianna wanted.

And so about four days, five days after that night happened, that Wednesday night when the phone fell out of the pocket, I was at her house Friday Saturday, so on day and Monday, every day, and that weekend, one of the days when she was a more calm and whatnot, I just straight up was like, I need to talk to you one-on-one. This isn't like, fuck the ratings, fuck Bravo, fuck calm and whatnot. I just straight up was like, I need to talk to you one on one.

This isn't like fuck the ratings, fuck Bravo, fuck the production company. What do you want? Because I am sure I know your schedule and I know that you've now talked about this 40 million times with every cast member while they picked the cameras back up. Is this just gonna be one more thing you have to talk about?

Because I don't need to do this And she really wanted to have that moment. So I said, yes. Well, that was kind of that. We're looking forward to seeing it next week. But no, I will never go back to Vannapromprul. That's the next question. So that's good to know. Our listeners will be here.

I will go back to reality television, just not in that specific capacity. That's fair. And I think that that again shows growth that you recognize your place in your life where that would be detrimental to you. And you just don't want to dive back in on like some of your other former classmates

that are Jones and to get back. But I do want to ask with Ariana, how did you guys find your way back to a friendship? Because obviously things must have been a little bit strenuous given how things went down. So what was the journey to kind of get to a place where you're confident, where you're going over their checking on her and making sure she's okay

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And we really tried the two of us, Ariana, and I really tried to push on producers like, people want to know how we became friends again. And they, I don't know why they never found it interesting enough to let us kind of tell our story, but honestly, it was just once I started dating my ex-boyfriend Carter and found my happy and like found that found myself in a place

where I didn't need to make Ariana and Tom's life still living hell anymore. And I think then from that moment, they kind of fell in love with Carter and he was gonna be around and then they saw growth in me, they found out that I was going to therapy, especially Harlick, screw Tom right now. But she saw the change. It was the actions.

It took years. But eventually, it was really just that I was no longer coming after her. I wasn't the same person that I had been for so many years. So she was like, OK, let's tiptoe. Let's tiptoe. Let's be buddies. Let's try to hang out.

And then eventually, we just, yeah, time heals all wounds and we became really great friends. And it's been that way for, I mean, has to be at least like seven years now. That's awesome. That's it. See again, the growth, the growth is impressive. I mean, Ariana, we always have this thing

where she's always like ripped on me for being like the live laugh, love girl and like the quotes on my walls and being like the live laugh love girl and like the quotes on my walls. And being like into crystals and astrology. And we always like joke around like whenever we give each other like birthday cards and stuff, she like sends me like a card that has like the live laugh love thing or now we like spiritual healing together

and we're like, look, we're finding, we're finding our place where we like, we're both really into this kind of stuff. So I just like that we're both able to make fun of all of that too. Yeah, that's super important too. And I feel like with bravo specifically, they don't want to be invested in your relationship mending with Ariana because they'd rather you guys be at odds. This isn't going to make for good TV. Nobody wants to see this win in reality. Still, when I talk about this all the time, we like the feel good stories. We like to see this win in reality. Steel and I talk about this all the time. Like, we like the feel good stories.

We like to see growth in these people that we're watching every week and reading about in the off season, as we call it. And like, it's just tough because I feel like they're just going towards this toxic direction with everything. And it's like, we don't need that all the time. We need to feel good about people.

Yeah, because when the toxicity comes into play, we're not going to be as affected, we're not gonna be as affected if we're not invested into their character. So like if we saw growth between you and Ariana, and then you guys got into a fight like that would hurt us. And that's right. You would like to watch TV. So I don't know, I feel like they just kind of missed

the mark with stuff like that. It is really good. I agree. Because I also, it's like, I'm still who I am. I'm still gonna always stand up for all of my friends. I'm still not quite as aggressively insert myself possibly into things that might not necessarily be my business because I'm very protective.

And so it's like, well, why am I so protective over her? Well, miss that mark, because now people don't really understand that. That's why I think as a whole, a lot of the Vanderpump fans were a little confused as to why I didn't feel vindicated. And I think that, you know, when it comes to the vindication factor of it and like how you feel about the whole thing, again, your approach to it was the correct approach in our opinion,

just because it's not about you in that moment. Like sure, you could have had a moment where if you wanted to take advantage of the situation, you could have kicked the door down and been like, I told you, see, I was right and posted it all over the place instead. I didn't even think we really heard from you. We saw, I was even confused because I didn't know, again, I wish they'd told us how you guys got back to being friends. Because there was like a paparazzi picture of you like walking into area on this house on that Friday morning. I was like, oh, well, like she's going over to check on her. I wonder, I wonder how did that happen? And I wish we'd gotten more information that you guys were close. But I want to talk to my man for a sec, Mr. LA over there.

All right. Being there. And I'm saying, he's bit like he was at our own house like every day with me as well. And that's kind of what it is. It's my kind there because I was like the only dude a lot. And it was a lot like, you know, I'm gonna go. Yeah, a lot of fuck men conversations. And

you're like, yeah, they're the worst. I was playing the dogs, you know, I'm like, I'm I going to. About once they started burning things you left, but like being a third party to this, like, not just obviously with the scandal of all stuff and being involved in that, but just being with somebody that has this major, major presence in reality TV, like, what's that like? Like, what's your, when you got into like Vanderpump and you guys are talking about it, just what's been your experience with reality TV since dating a reality TV star?

So it has been just a massive change in so many ways. I mean, bringing this gandivol stuff into play changed a lot. So my first exposure was at Sheena's wedding. I was there with Kristen. And it was also her first time being around cameras since leaving Vanderpump. And they were shooting it and we're there. And we're seeing it all and knowing we're going to be blurred out. And yet, Kristen still feels these really strong, deep emotions. All her best, one of her best friends is getting married and everything. You know, being around the crew again, when I started crying,

and yeah, you had to deal with that. Yeah, having to deal with that. So just in the time I've been with Kristen, I feel like she's evolved. And like this confidence has come back with the scan of all things because it's like, people want to hear what she has to say more than ever. And it's been pretty cool.

And honestly, the whole, I had never heard of Vandpump before I met Kristen. I didn't know what it was. I didn't watch any of that stuff. So, simpler time. Right, right, right. Things definitely more simpler. It's a wild ride.

My life has a lot of twists and turns, and this has been a fun one, so. Yeah. Has it been a fun one? Most of the time. 99% of the time. It's a relationship. It's relationship. I have to hear about it.

Oh, yeah, sometimes I'm like, really, we're talking about this again, the same thing ever, the story 12 times. That's how we feel. Dude, but it's only me and Shooter to talk to each other about the same shit every week over and over again. Right. Life now. That's like that moment on stage. I'm like, wow, bro, this is our life for better or worse. Like here we are.

Yeah, I feel like you guys are like the bar stool sports of like of Bravo now, but like not douchey. And you're all right. But you've also like taken the place of I can't remember the show name, but remember when Jerry O'Connell got that show that kind of got changed and then taken off because essentially they were saying straight men watch Bravo. And then I'm like, well, you can't talk like that or whatever, but we don't have that anymore. So now we have you two.

And I think it's an important part of the demographic on. Yeah, we even talked about that when we first started because I listened to Jerry O'Connell all the time. I think he's hilarious. I love him so much. And he didn't have that show. And I knew we had that show at one point in time and I looked it up and I'm like, still, there's nobody in this market at all. And I knew we had that show at one point in time and I looked it up and I'm like, still, there's nobody in this market at all.

And I thought the Jerry was there and I'm like, it's gonna be tough going up against Jerry every week and then I realized, like, shit, he's gone. So we can just fill those, it big shoes to fill for Jerry. But on the topic of podcasts and stuff, just for our listeners sake and everything else, whatever, what are you guys gonna cover

on your episodes every week? What are you guys gonna talk about? Like, let's get into that. And we wanna put some feedback in there too, because we've got opinions. Yeah. So I wanted to start our podcast, sex love and what else matters?

Because I obviously am very passionate about just the psychology behind why men and women do what they do. Think how they think in relationships, in dating. I'm typically a relationship gypsy, I jump from one to the next, I'm not into really being single, but I have been single before. And I've been ghosted and just all of the things, you know, and I wanted a male perspective. I thought it was really important to have a dude perspective on why men do and think what they do. And to really just be the voice of all the guys out there.

And so when Luke and I first started hanging out, even though we didn't live in the same state, level in the same time zone, we talked on the phone for five, six hours a day sometimes. And he was such an open book to me asking all of the questions, like, what was that girl like? Or, you know, I don't know. I just, you know, I like to dig, dig down and get dirty and I want all the details.

And yeah, that's kind of like how it became a thing. And I just think it's fascinating to have a really honest perspective. And it's helped our relationship because that's why I think we're so great because of our communication. It almost like couples therapy. I was, that sort of, I was, I was pretty open to, I'd tell her too on the phone, I'd be like, well, you know, I kind of fucked that one up.

You know, I'm talking about my girlfriends, like that one was on me. And I think that's ultimately the thing. The other thing is when we were talking, she was doing some prerecordings with somebody else for like trying to get this podcast off the ground and then some stuff came up and she's just like, what am I going to do? And I'm like, well, I'm right here and we talk about this every day. You want to just like, I can come on.

We can do that. And she's like, really? Will you? Like, yeah, why not? We just put a mic up instead of our cell phones. And so here we are. Yeah, that's kind of how it came into fruition. And it's okay.

It's like, one dynamic. Yeah, I like the fact that you guys. It's the honor to see, like being willing, super vulnerable and talk about, like even just in the department of sex, like a lot of people, which I understand, like if you're not like a sex therapist or a podcast host with a microphone that you don't necessarily want to like air all of your laundry,

but I think people are very curious. And there's a lot of things people are afraid to ask and are afraid to talk about. And I firmly stand on if you can't talk about sex, you shouldn't be having sex like with your partner. And then I just think, yeah, again, with relationships, like, why do people go certain? Why are people, I don't know, like, why are they afraid of commitment, men specifically? Like, I know how all my female friends think, but it was a really cool moment to have a straight male to be willing to discuss those things so openly. Just be careful in this space loop because,

because shooting an eye are too straight dudes, anytime that we go on rent without fail, people tell us in our comments, like, oh, here they go man-splaining again. It's like, we can't, we can't talk and explain without like, I don't think we're being condescending and man-splaining, but like, we are two men explaining something. So it's like this weird, this weird space you get lumped into. So just don't read the comments too much because like, I'll go back at the commenters and then shooter will text me and tell me to knock it off because yeah, because it's in comment chain, Rob.

Like pretty much at the point, like no, you're stupid. No, you're stupid. I give you a little bit of a leash. I let you go for like make a pointer too, but then when you're down there and you're just like looking through their pictures and pointing things out,

I'm like, all right, dude, you gotta stop now. Yeah, like whatever, bro, nice pies or dickhead. Like, that's hilarious. What we ran into when we started it was some girls from my past kind of resurfaced or their friends tried to come and defending them saying things that weren't true, saying like an ex-girlfriend that we were not together for over a year, that we were like about to get back together before I went to the wedding where I met her. Not true. And I went and defended. They're like, look at his

Instagram. He's got pictures tagged with her. And I said, well, look, the last one tag was June 6, 2020. And as he proved my point, thank you. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But since then, I haven't touched it. Kristen does tell me. Sometimes I'll send her a screenshot.

And she's like, ignore it. I know you're new to this world, but just you need to ignore it. I'm still getting used to it, too. We've almost been here for like a year. So I don't know if it ever gets easier, but there's a lot of funny ones. We actually started a segment on our show called Rosenthorn, where we both pick our favorite comment of the week and our least favorite comment of the week. It's been really fun because now people will comment in an effort to make the Rosenthorn and not always nice.

Sometimes they go the the Thorn route and they are extra mean and those are really funny. So there is a way to play with it. It's like mean tweets with Jimmy Kimmel. Pretty much, yeah. Except one person said that it was very self-indulgent and gratuitous and then we decided to name our Thorne segment after that person. And then they reached out and they were like,

you know what, that's really funny and my middle name actually is Rose. So it works out really well. So we gave her the grace and we said, you know what? Good job. It's full circle. We're done. We're going back to Rosenthorne.

And if you're listening Kate, our Sharif, we still love you. So when you, I have a question about like because you're, you're both married, correct? I'm married. He's married. Okay. Okay. Okay. Do you have, do you have a girlfriend?

Not any more now. Okay. Okay. When you did or just female friends, whatever. Does it make you closer with female friends or seeing them get other watching bravo because you have things to talk about? Or does it then get annoying because all they want to do is talk about it? It doesn't get annoying necessarily, but I do think that like, I mean, we've been barred them with sports. How, like, we don't probably don't even realize how much we talk about sports because it's just always there, especially in much we talk about sports because it's just

always there, especially in Billy and A. Yeah, it's just in our DNA. We girl playing it, we talk about it all the time. And I feel like they just have to be involved in that conversation. And then if you're the type of guy that gets mad because somebody doesn't know what a first down is, then you're a douchebag. But you have to kind of teed or that line around there. So now that we're in this space, like Steele said, you know, we're going to get people

to comment and be like, look at these cis-hate men over here talking about girl stuff. And we're like, just shut up. Like, everybody can formulate an opinion. It's television. Everybody can watch it. We don't have to like enter in a special code to go watch Bravo. So when we talk and like, I think that it's really funny because a lot of our friends that are girls or friends of friends, they want to hear our opinion on it as if we don't talk about it

every week, but they'll still stop us and be like, oh, yes, what is your thought on this? What is your thought on that? We'll get into this. So now we spend a good time, honestly, we probably talk more about Bravo at parties than we do about sports anymore. So we got to try to find a balance in there, but it works and I feel like it does make relationships and friendships a little closer sometimes. Yeah, like with me and my wife, like we watch every show together because Shooter and I

cover all the main shows that are airing at the time, whatever that might be. Like we start at Lanna this upcoming Sunday, I think, but yeah, it's great because, you know, we'll make dinner. It turns into like a night, like we dinner, and then we're watching the show, and then we break it down during watch what happens live. We kind of tune into that, but then we'll talk on the side. And then I do feel bad because there's times

where we've been watching it nonstop. It's been, especially with Scandalval, it's literally taken over our lives, which I'm sure you can appreciate. But as I'll get home, and I've been like on my phone, like texting Shooter All Day, or I've been talking to people at the gym,

cause I do personal training in the mornings, and a lot of the clients there, I'll be like, oh my God, did you hear about this? Did you hear about that? And by the time I get home, I'm like, I don't wanna talk about this anymore. But my wife does, and I'm like, I can't give everyone

else the time of day and not give my own wife the time. She's the reason that we're doing this. So I do my best to always be open to talking about it. I guarantee those times where she probably like pulls back because I'm probably being cranky and not nice. And that's that's a me problem. And I'm going to apologize if I'm ever cranky and don't want to talk about Bravo because I should be so lucky to have a partner that's so supportive and wants to talk about things with me. So, 99. I was like, the fly on the wall and like your marriage therapy

and you're like, well, it's about Bravo. Yeah, it's just like that's gotten really tough. I feel like it's a problem. Yeah, I feel like I'm really bringing work home with me too much. I come home, it's there. My follow-up question is, why should Luke Black watch reality TV? I got him into

I got him into bachelor in paradise way better on the bachelor. Sorry. Bachelor. Yeah, bachelor in paradise is light. It's fun. It's it's edger. All those people are clawing at a chance to get back on TV. Like you love the desperation factor of it. Like I have a big bachelor in paradise fan. But. Convince my boyfriend that reality TV can be fun. Sure do you want to be? Yeah, so I mean, let's just put it this way. So imagine yourself watching a show that has a script and you hate how it's going. And you're like, why don't the writers just do this

or that or whatever? In this way, in reality TV, you can blame real people in real time for acting the way that they are. Nobody wrote this script. It's just someone being an asshole and you can be like, wow, that person is really being an asshole. It's not an actor doing something or portraying something that you don't like. It's like the feelings are more genuine. So don't get us wrong. We still watch a lot of script TV. It's not like we spent all of our time doing that and we have sports to vent all of our anger into. But in between there, it's kind of nice to watch that. It's

a lot different than anything else you can watch. I would say because you're a sports guy, we were talking football before the podcast. There's a lot of like we joke about it a lot, but if you really do want to draw similarities, like there are a lot of similarities between the sports world and the bravo world. For example, like all of these bravo liberties are fighting for a contract. They're playing for a contract for the next season. They need to have a good year. They need to put up some big numbers to resign or else they get kicked to the curb. We have some backup shows. That's the minor leagues. We're talking winter house. We're talking the real housewives ultimate girls trips.

Those are our minor leagues. They're trying to get back into the system. And you can kind of comment on it from that perspective. I was like, you know, so and so is having a great year. You know, she really came out strong in the beginning. She's fading like midway through the season. She's got the whole off season to recover. We'll see how she balances back. Oh my god. They're brilliant. But it's not, but it works. And like not only that, like I've made predictions in the beginning of seasons where I've said, this person's going to be, they're going to turn you into a fan of theirs. And I think we were watching Beverly Hills, and it was Sutton and Steel was like,

I do not stand Sutton, and I'm like, Sutton's gonna have a strong season by the end. You're gonna like her. And it's like, the prediction, it's almost like I put, like, $50 on the Eagles to get to the Super Bowl or something, and I won like $4,000 and my fandom. It was just so nice to see at the end of the year that Steel was slowly starting to turn turn and he would finally say something nice

And I'm like gotcha bitch and that it's good like if you have friends especially like if Kristen's watching it You can kind of place some nice little wagers here and there and it makes a little interesting. No, we do prop that He loves sports betting. Yeah, and I love calling things. I call sometimes we watch movies I've seen enough certain theme movies. I'm like that's the killer You can't get that in reality TV. Do you say that? Right, but the similar type predictions are what you're saying. I love that. Yes. Thanks. Love being like, oh yeah. I mean, I'm a golfer too. And when we walk up, I'm like, we're probably like, what, 128 yards out, they pull the, they shoot it and it's like

130 right on the line. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, I'm with that. I'm saying, I'm like, you graphed with bachelor or sorry, you were, Oh yeah, they used to do fantasy Bachelor. And that's what when I actually watched the season. We have a friend who does that too. Yeah, so but you're already in it, dude. You just need to like let those, here's the thing. And it's like, this is the whole stick that when we started this show, like what our goal was,

it's to remove this stigma that comes along with like being a straight dude watching Bravo. And a big part of that, is like the sports thing like, yeah, you can totally watch like the first two episodes and start making predictions. That's what we all do. We sit there and go, okay, so and so is going to have a good year, so and so looks like shit.

This person came out of the gate too quick. Who's this newbie? She's coming on way too strong or in like Ali's case. You're like, wow, that's refreshing. Ali's having a good year. We got a rookie coming in, huh? Like this is exciting. We might have a new prospect.

Like, and before you know it, you do it subconsciously. You're just kind of like betting on certain people. You put your faith in like this team and they don't work out. And then like, there's factions on certain shows where it's like this three versus those four. So you're like, I'm team this person. And it's like being a Philly's fan versus being a Mets fan. Like, there's a lot of things you can kind of draw comparisons to.

And it's really funny because when we do this, then we talk sports stuff. We get a lot of comments from wives, like around the country, like, thank you guys so much. Like, I dropped the Jalen Hertz knowledge on my husband during the Super Bowl, and he was floored. He thought I was the coolest person ever,

because I just, like, she's like, I don't know what I was talking about, but because of you guys, I sounded really cool. And we're like, love that that's great. That's amazing. That's awesome. I have a quick question and Luke we have I know Luke has two specific questions for you guys but I want to know specifically for Vanderpump what are your thoughts on the dudes

and how has it changed over seasons? Hmm I think steel should start with this one. I don't know. guy right now. Right now. There's no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Like, this is how my life is going these days. Like, why the fuck wouldn't Kristen Doddy be asking me? Who's your favorite dude? So I was a huge Tom Tom fan of both of them for a long time. So for reasons similar to what you said about him, like the polarizing aspects,

I appreciated the fact that he didn't really give a shit what people thought about him. Like, he just kind of did his own thing. I like that with Schwartz. I always thought he was kind of a dork, but like, there was something I fell for that puppy dog shit for a long time. We all think. And to my wife's, well, to my wife's credit, she was like, when we were watching during the pandemic, she's like, see, I just think it's a stick. I think he knows exactly what he's

doing. I think he's just playing this game and like, sure enough, after scandival, you can't deny that. You've seen kind of the mask fall off a couple times. And, but I think he's just playing this game. Like sure enough after Scandinavia, you can't deny that. You've seen kind of the mask fall off a couple times. And, but I was, I just liked their dynamic. I thought they were a funny duo for TV. Do I, did I think they were good people? No, not at all. But I did like the shit that they were doing.

They were just entertaining to the point where they had that Tom Tom hat. There was a black hat with a blue logo on it. He'll logo. And yeah, I told my a blue logo on it. You'll logo. And yeah, I told my wife, I was like, that hat's dope and my wife's the best show. She ordered it and I had it two days later. And then fast forward, we talked to somebody from your show and they met us in Philly and gave us hats one day after scandal of all broke. So I got these awesome Tom Tom hats. I got all the

school shit. I would not do that to them. But they gave us these great hats, these awesome Tom Tom hats. It's not a cast member. It's not a cast member. But they gave us these dope hats and we can't wear them because I'm not going to go around supporting Tom and Tom because I hate them both now. But I was big fans of theirs. And also, you can even light them on fire because they're made of like plastic. They're like polyester. They're probably exposed. I didn't try. Like, oh, you did. I tried to like, when I'm fire and I was like, this is bad for the planet. Yeah. That's going to rip the ozone layer apart.

Yeah, but that's so. And then the other person, I like only, only for TV, only for TV. I know. I know. And I have to say it to you. And it sucks TV. I know and I have to say it to you and it sucks and I hate that I have to say this but DJ James Kennedy is an entertaining character on TV. And again, of course, you're the one asking me these questions and I'm so sorry, but I'll be wrong one day. Just I look forward to it because again, I don't think he's a good person at all. He's like, I believe exactly like the shit he says is so off the wall. His reactions to things are so immature and childish. I just feel about it. Watch what happens live. Oh, oh, I didn't I didn't like it.

No, I didn't like his watch happens live. He's way too. He's taking too much. What's that speedy? Speedy. Oh, I think there's a subtle date here. I mean, I'm not claiming drugs. It was just like so.

Like, I didn't even think I was gonna watch it and so many people were like, dude, you have to watch this. And it was so, like, it made my heart rate raise. Just like not even thinking of James as a human, but just watching a guest be that unhinged. Yeah, well, he was all over the place. And the other thing with him, like that bugged me with it,

is he's taking so much seemingly pleasure in the whole thing. Like he seems to be really enjoying himself and like tearing down like Tom and Tom. And it's like, this is my big issue with everybody as a whole on the cast, all the people that are now speaking out or speaking up. And this is why I had an issue with Lala this season just with how she handled things

because it seems like everybody forgets all of the shit that they've done in the past. And I'm not saying that it's to the same level as what Tom's done to Ariana. But the approach that certain people took this year instead of coming at it from a place of like, look, I've been there, I've done this, I've been on both ends of this, like, let's talk. or if they wanted to be rude or stern about it, there was a different

way to go about it other than like acting like they'd never done anything wrong. And I feel like James took that approach, which is weird because he hooked up with fucking Lala when he and Requel were dating and then Lala hooked up with James when her and Randall were dating and James was dating Requel were dating and then Lala hooked up with James when her and Randall were dating and James was dating Requel. Like, there's so much crossing going on and yet when they speak on it, it's like, oh, that's different though. Like, get over it. That was five years ago. It's like, why is that any different or why can't we address that? Why are you acting like you've never done anything wrong and you're on this pedestal, like, shitting on everybody else. Don't get me wrong.

Sandebole and Schwartz and everybody involved deserve all this shit, but you can't come at it from a place of like, I've never done anything wrong, because then it discredits you, and that's what I thought. That's why I had an issue with multiple people this year. That makes sense, and what about Peter? Peter, sweet Pete. Yeah, and he's just out there living his best life, just trying to just hook up with anybody that he can. And you know what? I respect it.

When he came over and did our podcast, he was like, I brought, I'm bringing you gift. I'm bringing you a gift and he was so excited. He brought me a t-shirt that said it's hit. What does that call a cent, uh, a centaur? A centaur. So it's like half person half.

Horror. I have a horse. So I should have worn it. It's his head on a horse body. And it says, I'm not a starteraur. So it's like half person half horse. I should have worn it. It's his head on a horse body. And it says, I'm not a starter pony. Oh my God. That's fucking incredible. Can we get that? Yeah. On number one guy in the group.com. Yeah. And Peter, you have and Peter Instagram bio. He bought the. He bought the domain. Number one kind of calm. Look, this is what I love beat. Jack's was so bad.

Was he? Yes. Oh, Jack literally we were at Brittany's house and Brittany goes. I love this story. Brittany goes, I can't believe

he did that. It would be like Kristen if I bought sucka dick.com. So that's how we already owns that. Yeah, I think she Kristen if I bought suckidic.com. So that's probably already owns that. Yeah, I think she's been to that website, but yeah, I think I'm not the part. But that's actually a good, I wanted to ask of a, there's a couple of moments from the past, Luke, you haven't seen these, but you might want to go back because there's some gold back there.

And just remember, remember the amazing woman that sits next to you today and you'll be able to see her growth to get here. But when I have to ask the green dress, was that a planned, was that, that was planned, right? I'll bring it up all because I have no bravo contract. Yes. Yeah. I had two things to shoot that day, one did not air. So this was at the time where I had no friends. They brought back my friend Rachel O'Brien, who's a comedian, she was on a few seasons with me. And Rachel and I were going to have what I was told

was like a sex in the city type lunch. Like dress like sex in the city. So that's what I was doing. Then I got another call time that said, well, you're gonna go to Tom's first real quick and then you're gonna go straight to lunch in West Hollywood. They did you dirty even crossed my mind. Damn.

No. And that moment was back. And I was getting that dress back because I actually gave it to Stasi's little sister Georgie like years and years ago. I'm like, I cannot ever touch this again. It was in like the breakup museum. There was like a pop-up breakup museum in LA

and they put it like on display there, but it didn't have my name. It just explained like what the scenario was underneath it. That's great. And then they sent it back to me. So then I gave it back to Georgie. And now I'm like, girl, you need to mail that to me. I need, I have some TikToks to do.

Yeah, you do. Definitely. Yeah, that's what actually happened. No, I did not wear my $20 like Lulu's.com dress. And what do you know they mean and go? We like, I just need to pick up my mail and my DVR. Well, they did you dirty because that's what it looked like. And that's what I, up until this moment, that's what I thought.

So I'm glad we could clear that up. Sorry, fans. Sorry to break it to you. That's a bad thing. You just shattered a lot of people's worries. Right now. And if it, you know, I, very truly, like if that were what I was going for, I would own it.

I believe that. Yeah. I think that's why I'm so annoyed. I'm getting all these back to the trolls for one second, like when the finale trailer came out and I'm like, oh, see where green dress and heels to pick up your mail and you were slides and, you know,

a sports broad to go console your friend. What would it look like if I showed up and like, dulled up with like full glam? Like, are you and I'm here to console you? Yeah. I'm looking forward to green dress. We're gonna be crying. We're in cozy, right? She was like, yeah, dude, like I'm here to console you. Yeah, I'm looking for the green dress. We're going to be crying. We're in cozy, right?

She was like, yeah, dude, like, um, I was like, cool. I shower. That's what you get from me. That's proper break up a tire. Yeah. So has a show, a bravo show ever create attention in your house, like picking sides on certain fights. Like you said, you pick teams when it's like these three versus that.

For you ever had fights or attention come out of it. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Give me a me one. You can think of, there's been a couple and they're never like blowout fights, but it's just we don't agree. Like my wife loves, loves Sonia and D'Ariinda and love them for a long time. And I think a lot of people do. But I didn't appreciate the Sonia stick. I thought that she was a lot meaner than people would like highlight. And just because she was like wacky and unhinged, she like got away with it. But she rides her dies for so-and-ies. So she was like, you're not going to say that shit in my house.

So I'm like, oh, you're damn right. I'm not. But we were getting to it there. But in the Vanderbump realm, she was a big Stasi fan. And I was never much a big Stasi fan. And I was never much of a Stasi fan. Again, I don't like mean stuff. I don't like when people are just mean

for being mean, sake, and it felt like she did that a whole lot. And I would be interested and curious if like, she, I don't know if she'll ever come back on the show, I doubt it, she seems like she's doing well in her own endeavors, and that's great. But she also seems like she too has grown a whole lot from her interviews that she's done from some of the podcasts I listened to.

So like that's what I would like to see just moving forward. I would love to just like get a check in with some people just to see how they are. I feel like we get like Brittany and Jack's are back on their like watch party or whatever so we kind of get the check in with them. I would like to at least know what's going on with Stasi. But back to your original question, that one caused a lot of tension because she loved Stasi. And I was like, I don't get it.

I think she's kind of mean. So that one we, I think it broke down. It was in the pandemic. So we couldn't leave the house. So I thought we got into it about it. And I was like, well, I just don't understand. She's like, yeah, well, she's great. And you're an idiot. And I was like, all right, well, I just don't understand. She's like, yeah, well, she's great and you're an idiot. And I was like, all right, well, I'm going upstairs and like stomped upstairs.

You go on a mental health walk at that point. Yeah. And exactly. I went on a mental health social distancing walk and then we finished the episode. Yeah. And I mean, honestly, like with what you said earlier, because you've only watched a couple episodes of Vanderpump. So like, steel and I are pretty up front

about certain shows that maybe we haven't watched in the past, and we're excited to get in. And a lot of times early on, at least, what we would do is, we would just jump into it. So that way, we didn't have any time to really formulate an opinion based off of past events. So I went into Beverly Hills completely blind. And like I knew people on the show,

like I already knew Denise Richards, I already knew everybody else for the most part. I didn't really know much about Sutton, but I liked her a little bit. And everybody hated Sutton, including my girlfriend at the time. And she would rip me apart every single time that I would be like,

Sutton's got a really good point there. She's got a real point. It's like, no, she doesn't. Shut up, watch the show. And I'm like, oh my God. But my biggest thing is, and It's like, no, she doesn't. Shut up. Watch the show. And I'm like, oh, my God. But my biggest thing is, and it's kind of a little bit of an outficking outside the box here, rather than the actual show.

So when steel and I started, obviously, it became work. And we started, I told him, you know, you got to put subtitles on because there's little things that happen in the background. I had subtitles on because my girlfriend at the time would talk over everything and put her own opinion out there. And I had to either pause it or look at her and be like, stop talking. I need to pay attention to this because I have work later. And then I go over to Steele's house and lo and behold, what does he do during the entire

episode? He gets up and starts running around throwing his notebook around screaming at the TV and I'm like, I can't, I gotta go watch these shows alone. Like I can't do this. These people are crazy. He's like my wife, honestly, because she'll do the same thing. Like when this show is on, it is like a holy time. You cannot talk.

Yeah. Because you need to know what's going on. But I'm a very emphatic watcher. I'll like be like, what the fuck? Like you gotta be kidding me. Like I legit, during one of the scandals of all episodes, like early on, like when shit started to break, I stood up from my couch, shooter was here watching it.

And this was the last time he's watching with me. I threw my notebook like across the room. I was like, this is bullshit. Like guys, now look at both of them and both of them are staring like, dude, sit down and shut the fuck up. You're gonna have to go watch by yourself. Because we don't want to hear this anymore. So that's actually a really good point because not only does

he get mad at that, my poor wife gets mad at that because I'll sit there with her and beg, dude, can you believe that? And she's like, and she's so nice that she tries to like, should I give me a buffer? She's like, yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy, it's crazy, yeah. No, no, I know it's not, I know it's not.

Dude, stop. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm about that. I'm about that. So, it sounds like you always watch it with your significant other, or would they get upset if always watch it with your significant other or do you would they get upset if you watch it something before them? Yeah, it's murky water honestly, where like because we're on a schedule where we have

to record certain days, I work, I used to work from home all the time so it was pretty simple like I would just wait and watch in the afternoon. But once, you know, I broke that barrier and I'm like, all right, I really need to watch this before I go over and start recording. Then it was like, well, you couldn't I'm like, all right, I really need to watch this before I go over and start recording. Then it was like, well, you couldn't wait for, like we couldn't watch it last night. I'm like, no, I needed a break.

I needed to watch the basketball game. I couldn't do this. So then I'll watch something during the day when I'm free. And then once that happened, I'm like, you know what? I'm on my own schedule. We'll watch what we can. But otherwise, I got to get this done. And I think, I don't know what steel does,

honestly, anymore. We watch a lot of them together, but there are nights where I get back. And like, I personal train, I'm also a private chef. So like, my schedule, kind of all over the place. Yeah, it's fun, but it's like, my days are wacky. Like, I'll have a lot in the morning, I'll have nothing during the day,

and I'll have like a dinner at night, or, and then I got the podcast, and then it all gets kind of wacky. So like, if we can't watch together, we do, but there are definitely nights I'll come home and you pick, oh, like, Jersey's on. I'm like, I can't, I can't do it tonight. Like, I need to go play video games or like watch something stupid. And like, it's just different now because when we got into reality TV, it was because you could check out, like, you can watch it and kind of turn your brain off and just like get entertained for an hour. Now, like,

shooter can remember things, like like I don't remember shit. So like I literally have like 15 of these notebooks like a full of notes. That's weird. Yeah. So you're me and then Luke is Shooter and like I, like he can recap it all off the top of his head. I need note by note by note. So when we watch it night and like if I'm gassed I'm like dude I don't know if I can

do it. Like I don't feel like writing shit down right now. And she's always cool about you to go, okay, and like I can tell though there's certain nights that she really wants to watch it. And I'm like, I was watching, like, I'll watch it. But she's cool about like during the day, sometimes I have to knock them out. And it's also for podcasting purposes, depending on when we're recording, just to keep it as fresh as we can. Like it'll time up a little differently. So I'll watch it beforehand. Yeah, but when we do our, we started this VaynerPump recap.

Well, Kristen started the first one. I was out of town. Anyway, we got to watch it right before, but I'm more like shooter. Kristen's like, why aren't you taking notes? I'm like, well, I know. I know what's going on. I know what's going on.

Yeah. Don't stay with like, a Honda sending tone. We know what's going on, guys. what's going on. Yeah. Don't stay with like a Honda sending tone. We know what's going on guys. Well, no, you help, you help because you will frame a scene really well. Then you'll have the notes and you'll be like, all right, this scene happened here. Like, I might not remember that this scene happened before that one chronologically, but I know everything that happened within them.

So, you know, we play off of each other really well. Here you go, Luke. It's like, I'm play by play Shooter's Color Commentary. Yeah, there we go. Perfect. See sports do it. It's all. I'm making my relations have so much other. We're trying to help you, Kristen. We're going to get him. He's a brav bro. It's in there. I can see it behind that awesome shirt. Well, look, honestly, I mean, if you guys need some straight guys to get on your show and start talking about what it's like to be a straight dude. Yes. We're right here.

We can definitely have you guys guests like coming on. Sorry. Yes. Yeah. I got a question. So before I met Kristen, I had some friends that were big broad, or neighbors that were big Bravo fans and they talked about all this stuff and I kind of just like blacked it out when they were talking about it, but they kept telling me that I should be on what's the

boat show below deck. Blow deck. They told me for years, they're like, who could be perfect for below deck? You should just apply. You should try to be on below deck. And I was like, I don't know what that show is. And I watched it.

I told you that there's so many of them now. There's too many to keep track of, I think, is the best way to put it. We tried to dive in. This is one. Yeah, we tried to dive. But we watched these one. It was actually, we both really, really enjoyed it.

And we recapped it like in bonus episodes early on. But then it's like, as you can. did you like how I brought Alex from do you remember that when I brought Alex from below deck on the Vanderpump? I don't remember that. No, what season was that? But this is before. So like again, you got to remember we probably didn't know who Alex was at the time. Yeah.

I also. This was after below deck though. Was it he was already the only on season one of Belodeck. And so this was like season four, I think of Banner Pump rules after James and I broke up and they wanted to see single Kristen, Katie's Pucker and Pout Party around that time. And yeah, they filmed that.

I see here's the thing. I hadn't seen any Belodeck when we were excited. Yeah, so I'll check I was able to piece it together. Yeah, I don't think so either I know Alex's eight seasons eight seasons of banner bump within two weeks. Yeah, it kind of blurs together a little That's a lot. I can see that but you do look like a deck hand you you I think I could see that Yeah, you look like an Australian deck hand from below deck I love to fish. And I told them, I kept telling them, like, if I go on,

we'd say, oh, watch flow deck. We'll start you there. We'll start you there. Okay, we can watch it. But I was like, my plan would be, all these rich people were serving. I'd have like a business plan in my back pocket and be like, all right, so you guys have money, right? Well, that was a good idea.

Well, with steel and I, we're rewatching, we were rewatching. I was just trying to think about this the other day. We rewatch season one. And the first episode, there were guys doing drugs on the boat and they had to get kicked off and it was wild, it was awesome. And then before we knew it, we went episode two then four. So they skipped over three and here we had to look it back.

Bravo had to pull it from all streaming because there was something wrong. It was either like some slur. Sexual harassment. Sexual harassment. And it was really rough. And I'm like, I, like, we have to try to find this somewhere and it's gone. And I was, I was just talking to somebody about this and I couldn't remember what show it was.

But yeah, no, that was, and we tried to find it. We couldn't find it. But that's pretty funny. Detective Dodey at your service. Let me see if the machine works. Yeah, look into it. My wife probably to compliment you on your FBI skills. She's like, Dodey is like the FBI. I do it. If anyone needs to find out stuff, like she doesn't do it like the next one. Yeah, look into it. My wife probably to compliment you on your FBI skill. She's like, Dode is like the FBI dude.

If anyone needs to find out stuff, like she doesn't do it like the generic way. Like she actually figures out what's going on. She's like the FBI. She wanted me to give you credit there as well. Yeah, I know. And it's so nice to have like a boyfriend who doesn't cheat on me and like someone

who's just so loyal and wonderful. So now I'm at everyone else's service. I'm pretty sure. I think I'm boring to her sometimes because she doesn't have enough stuff to look for. Hey, hey, stay boring, dude. That's a good deal. Yeah, very nice.

You're not boring with that sick shirt. We have a couple of like news things really fast. Did you guys hear it? This just broke today about pump closing. I saw that. And then did you see that? Which is sucks. I mean, Lisa and I, whatever, but I love Ken.

And that's really shitty and sad. But then did you see the landlords rebuttal? No. What happened? What happened? Landlord said, let me, I'll actually just read it. So I don't miss quote. They debunked.

Well, Lisa said the reason they're closing is because she had to sign a new lease. And it was going the rent was going up to a million dollars a year and that it would they'd have to sign a 10-year lease and said it didn't make sense. Anyway the owner. The landlord it says the Vanderpump's landlord tells entertainment tonight. Lisa's comments regarding the rent for pump that that expense of our not accurate. We did not raise the rent and in fact they have been in default under their lease for some time.

We have been nothing but supportive as they tried to catch up and we also forgave some rent during COVID. Whoa. Wow. That's crazy. I'll be a little shaky too. What do you think the landlord is? You think it's Greg?

We hate Greg. That's right. You do? I love Greg. Maybe he's different in person, but on TV, he is terribly. He comes off terribly. But he has to deal with Tom and Tom. That is the bar owner.

I respect that. I respect that. I mean, Greg was the owner of one of, like, our most beloved bar that we go to. And West Hollywood called the ball band. He's the previous owner. We've filmed there a bunch of times. And he's a really good friend of a friend. But like, he is a really good business dude.

Now imagine if you were the ones working with Tom and Tom. I was like, I agree, I can appreciate that. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm not. And we have that velvet. And they're like, what about your business plan? I'm like, it's $1 million in, but look at the wallpaper. I can, I appreciate that. I just, I'm, he looks like a dick on TV. He looks like a dick on

TV. Yeah, he doesn't look great on TV. And that's, you know, that's what we get. We get and we try to stay as objective as possible. So with that, we'll never see on TV. We got a comment on it. And on TV, Greg's kind of a dick. So I think it's got me frustration though from dealing with them. Like I'm a business guy and I went in there and like, there's not even a TV in the corner. There's no TV in this bar. The bar in a TV, anyway. Yeah, we wouldn't go.

Like, not fried food. There's not, you can get a basket of tots or fries or anything in there. It's like, okay, this is a bar. You can't get fried food and there's no TV. I would never come here for when supporting some friends of Christens, you know. Right. Well, what was the thing? It was a lobster corn dog. That's the best thing on the menu. It was actually really good, but it was like 26 bucks or something. Oh my god. Yeah, lobster corn dog. That pissed me off as a chef when I

came out. I bring it up as much as I possibly can. Yeah. The whole menu will piss you off as a chef. Yeah. Well, watching them bring out the all of the Andres and stuff like for the menu testing, I was like, what's the goal? What are you guys trying to like do? What's the theme here? Why is there five different kinds of on-trades that all fit into different cultures of food? Like, it doesn't make a point. Do you want to come in like fix their menu? No.

No, not at all. I'm just saying it made me frustrated. Yeah. Fair. Okay. And then in other news, this is something I've been, we just read recently, but I'm dying to talk about and this has nothing to do with bravo. It just has to do with sex. Cool. It's an article that says Denver residents could earn a thousand dollars masturbating as part of an orgasm advisory job. That's crazy.

That's so insane. Where do you wear? Who? Like what's the hospital? Do you have a contact number? Yeah, what's that? So, it comes. I mean, there's a company called Love Honey.

I guess it's like a sex toy company or something. Love Honey and they want you to masturbate or something? Does it sound like the dawn whispering in love with her? Give me your love honey. Dad, I'm dead with that. But it says they have a new orgasm advisory board and that you can earn a thousand dollars a year masturbating with free sex toys. I don't know why this is in Denver.

That's very random, but they give you $250 per month worth of sex toys for a whole year. I mean, that's like a room for a school. And then you get paid $1,000 and you just have to use all the sex toys and then like report back. It's like a beta tester sex toys. I got a lot of questions and a whole lot of questions. It's not worth the $1,000 and also the year. They're customer acquisition costs.

They're trying to keep down and they're not using Instagram influencers number one. But I want to know why Denver. Altitude effects. Altitude effects orgasms. Everybody knows that. Like the Mar mile high club. Yeah. Well, I get. So unless they're going to like test marijuana with it too like that would make sense If you want to make money masturbating just donate your sperm, right? Don't they pay like Yeah, that would also I think that would be more lucrative. Yeah, that would be more but I guess I don't understand like what do you they pay in sex toys? They pay in money both so that will they give you so what the article says they gift you $250 worth of sex

toys every month for one year and pay you $1,000 cash. And then you have to report back on, is it dudes own years? It dudes and women. It's a woman on the picture. Oh, but I think it's both. Yeah, it's both. I guess for like a dude, how many sex toys do you need? Like I just don't want.

Yeah. Right. Like one. I think you know, you know, it would be a better use of their resources. They should teach dudes how to give an orgasm. That would be better. Tell them like a tutorial with the sex toys. Here guys, help you.

How to be glittered. Yeah. How to be glittered. Yeah. How to be glitter it. That's it. Yeah. I'm going to use that in the future. Yeah. 100% I've never heard that. That's going to make it appear on our show next week. But that would be a better use of their resource than sending some devians $250 of sex toys a month. No, it's literally it's it's beta testing. Like people send you TVs to test more like eight or really like the way that this works and the interface. Yeah, nice dude. Thanks. And then they'll send you, you know, a sex toy. They'll send you a, you know, a robot that you can

have sex with and see how it goes. And if it goes horribly wrong, they want to make sure they get that feedback. Yeah. And if any listeners are interested, apparently, they're going to be at the 16th Street Mall, Saturday, May 13th from one to five. And then a outside course field on Sunday the 14th. Oh my god I hope the Rocky's are I hope the Rocky's are playing. Can you say that a little bit slower? Oh my god outside of course field I like need someone on site Like I should go into a rocky game that you pull up and there's just a bunch of sex dolls and like Dildos and stuff hanging around.

You're like, what the fuck happened? Okay. I can imagine that. I've spent time in Denver. I have a place in Colorado. He's from Colorado. Oh, okay. So it wouldn't be that crazy.

It wouldn't be that nuts. No pun intended. Nice. But no, that area right outside course field though is like party town. Like Thursday through Sunday. It's streets are packed. It's a fun place. But anyway, do I have to sing this? I mean, you sang it last time. It was good.

Okay, so do you guys have any other questions? Because we have one, we have one thing we liked, one question. We like to wrap up our. You're gonna sing, are you gonna sing it to us? Yes. Okay, I'm eager to get on with the singing. Okay, so this is for both of you independently. Okay. I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. What's the one? What's that for you guys? What's that? What would you do?

I don't know. I don't know what you would do for love, but you won't do what? I said be a vegan, so you can't take that. My friend Janet said she was married. She said she won't do a blowjob to completion Wow, that's a shame for her husband Warm up I would not probably not stop watching sports would be a good one. I can't. I can't. I would do anything for love, but I will not stop watching football. Yeah.

I would do anything for love, but I wouldn't stop. That's the thing I think I'm like cooking, but like that's boring. Yeah. I wouldn't stop. A to testing sex toys. I would not stop. stop beta texting sex toys. No matter what, if my wife was like, I'm really getting tired of these boxes coming to the house full of sex toys every week, I'd be like, well, I'm making $250 a month so I feel like the only thing in sex toys. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency. It's a new currency.

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Guys, thank you. This has been so much fun. That was good. It's last. Yeah, I'm glad we finally got a, because we're on the same network. So I'm glad we, we got to link up finally. Yes. A plug for Cloud 10.

Thank them for setting it up. This has been an absolute blast. We'll come on your show any time you guys want. Yeah. Let's make it happen. Cool. Awesome. If you guys are in LA, hit me up. You guys seem like guys, guys, I want to hang out. We're like, please, we'll bring our clubs. We're not. We'll go golf. We'll go golf. We'll go golf. Yeah. Yeah. My brother's, my brother golf saw over, like, I'll hook you up with him. He's the most fearless and he golfs like three times a weekend. Awesome. I played three times last week. You don't know where that is, but it's not like 20 minutes away.

Yeah. And he's good. He's like, uh, so need you to get along. But if we're out there, we got, we got to play tennis with Sutton. That's on the agenda. I think Crystal's going to be there for that one. Hopefully. And then we got golf with you now. So we got to hold the key on the shorts and Sandy building. Right. we got a P on shorts and sandies. So we got things to do. You're still standing. Allegedly.

You can't say that because I have someone piece on there. We can go like a metaphorically. I'm going to catch a case. Allegedly. Allegedly. Amazing. Yeah, thank you guys.

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