Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Tom Schwartz: VPR Reunion and Plans for the Hiatus

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

Episode 110. This week, Kristen and Luke are joined by very special guest, Tom Schwartz to talk all things VPR Season 11 Reunion and more. He shares his plans for the show’s hiatus, what it felt like watching the final act of the show live on stage, and his current relationship status with Katie. He also opens up about how he now feels about getting married again, plans for Schwartz & Sandys, and thoughts on Jax + Brittany. What part of the reunion made him cry? Will he be moving in with Tom Sandoval? All this and more! Sponsors: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter promo code DOUTE Go to JamesMae.co and use the code Podcast15 for 15% off your order Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Sunny and rainy. We got a nice rainbow yesterday though, so that was nice. That was so nice. We have the most special guest. He's a two, well, he was on Sex Loved Ones, but never on Balancing Act. Welcome to the pod pod Tom Schwartz Hello, Kristen Doty. Hello Luke. What's going on? I like your hat. Yeah, it's like I was in the desert You know, I went to Coachella this year. I was I had the great pleasure of working with Patron

This is not an ad but I feel like enough people don't realize that they got the XO cafe back is back I love the XO back. It's back. Oh, I love the XO Cafe. It's back. It's been resurrected, but I got the great pleasure of getting a Kemosabe hat out there and I was like, I'm never going to wear this in the public. And I was thinking to myself this morning, maybe this could be my podcasting hat. I love it. I like it. It's good shit.

I got to say, first of all, you guys look fabulous. Do you like my little bootleg clubhouse I put together? Yes, I do. It's actually, I was going to say Do you like my little bootleg clubhouse I put together? Yes, I do. It's actually, I was going to say, it looks like a little Andy Cohen clubhouse with your new furniture. But like, you know, before we started doing watch parties at Schwartz and Sandy's, I put the kibosh on them.

I was like, no, firm no, I don't wanna do that. I think I was maybe projecting some of my own neurotic tendencies about watching the show back. You guys know, Chris said it's Luke, it's hard to watch yourself back. It doesn't matter how much you love yourself. Seeing yourself in 8K, you know, high def, it can be brutal on your ego. Oh, hell yeah. That's why I'm not watching it, you know.

Luke's like kind of pulling a jacks during Vanderpump. Luke's seen like three episodes of The Valley and that's it. Yeah. He's like, I just can't do it and we don't have a reunion that we know of. So I get it. As much as I love Vanderpump rules, like if I can take myself outside of it and your guys just show, if I can take myself outside of it objectively, I I love it like I'm a fan when I take myself out and I love myself don't get me wrong but when I see myself on the show I'm just like oh my god this is a dad this is a calamity comedy of heirs man you did this season though I mean I feel like there were a number of episodes that you absolutely carried man

you did the dirty work at times that you had to do, 100%. Luke, that is the hottest and only time I've ever heard a take like that in my life. I feel like I was kind of like a background character this season. No, I don't think so. You were absolutely essential to get through to people. You were the bridge that needed to happen. Yeah.

It's always your comic relief, too. It's so refreshing. On that note, Luke, to piggyback off or to continue that thought, I see, I read the comments sometimes. For the most part, I stay out of the comments, but I like to see what's going on in there. And I saw a lot of people saying, we don't want a Sandoval Redemption story. Ew, stop trying to shove a Sandoval redemption story down our throats. And I don't know, man, maybe I'm too close to Tom or the whole situation. But I never saw this as a Tom Sandoval redemption season. I don't think

he got a redemption arc. I think he was just trying to reinstill a little humanity in someone that was like on the fucking edge of losing his mind. And I'm not here to evoke sympathy for Sandoval, but like I'm just saying, like the guy was on the edge. He went to a very dark place. And yeah, I watched this entire season. I guess, I don't know. I didn't see it as Bravo trying to shove a redemption story down anyone's throat at all.

I thought it just trying to add some nuance and like a little civility to it. Right, and there was nothing you could do. It was the story, you know, it's like, it picks up so quick after the Scandival broke. So what are you gonna do? I mean, no one wanted to be around Tom about Scandival. So I mean, it's kind of the real dynamic

and that's the whole point of it. For me, I think the quote unquote, like redemption arc, when I watched it, it wasn't about you and at points it wasn't even about Sandoval. I think it was the Lala of it trying to like, I don't know, it was like, it just felt, it didn't feel very authentic at times with Lala and kind of being Sandabal or even Sheena. I know Sheena struggled a lot though, but just certain times I felt like because it wasn't you shoving Sandabal down people's throats, there were other people doing it and it felt less genuine.

But I don't think that you did. I think this is the first time, not only on Vanderpump Rules, but really since I've known you, that I've seen you kind of stand up to him and say like, this is, like not, you stopped sugarcoating shit. You weren't hurtful, but you just had to be more stern with him. Well, there was some tough love. Yeah, for sure. In order, it's like, dude, we put a hefty sum.

You know, like I, you know, like I try not to think like this because it's not healthy, but you know, I could have bought a beautiful home, a nice appreciating asset and sat back and just chilled out. But you know, I decided to open a bar and I'm taking ownership of it. But it's like when you do that, you put everything on the line for it, then all of a sudden the brand name is, you know, severely jeopardized because of someone else's actions. It's hard not to be bitter, but... Oh, of course, of course.

But I think time does heal, and I think from what I've seen, like, there were definitely moments, and I even said this on Watch What Happens Live when I was on it, like, that I saw the glimpses of, like, a genuine old Tom who was really feeling his feelings. And even though a lot of people maybe didn't want to believe him, like I could see the difference. And I genuinely believed his apologies.

And I do understand also that like, it gets to a point where you do feel so beat down because I've been in that position, obviously in the past, where it's like, how many more times can I say I'm sorry? Where you kind of just get really frustrated, where it's like, what the fuck else can I do? Do you want my firstborn child? Like you guys, I'm eating shit a little bit. I just think the problem was Ariana wasn't ready and too many people weren't letting that go.

And I think that's what it appeared to be. Like they're gonna figure that out. She'll figure that out in her own time. I think when she has, I think this hiatus you guys are having is going to be really helpful for everyone to heal and move on and like live their own lives. So then hopefully you guys come back for a season 12

and we get to watch something more fresh, not like, okay, jump back in. No, we just did the reunion, but now a month later, we're going to keep talking about it again. Everyone's still kind of in the same place, you know? But yeah, I think that was beautifully stated. I think people need a little break. I think the show, I like that we're actually

taking a little breather that is postponed. I don't know what the future of the whole looks like, but maybe I'm delusional, but I feel like we're just gearing up for a whole new chapter. I don't know, I feel like the show needs to breathe a little bit. There's some overexposure. I think there's some, you know, one of all fatigue.

And it's like, it got a little dark. Like usually, you know, the show has always been a hundred percent authentic. Dota, you lived it with me. We were friends before the show, but like there was, I think there was always, it was always more levity to it. It just got a little bleak, a little dismal for me

the past few years. But I don't know, I think everyone's healing. That was my mantra for the season, but no one wanted to hear it, forgiveness is healing. It was very, and embarrassed and just friends. And it wasn't, I mean, at least for part one of the reunion, and I've heard some of you guys talk about this. I think the girls on Watch What Happens Live, live that like it wasn't as heated of a reunion as it has

been in the past like it wasn't like screaming and shouting and threatening to fight and things like that which makes it so much more interesting because it's hard to hear. I love nuance and civil conversation I'm like intrigued by that of course I like drama I like a. I like a little blow up, a meltdown here and there, a mic rip, a signature Christin Doty mic rip. Oh, totally. But yeah, we had a pretty civil discourse. I don't want to make it sound boring

because it was raw and intense. And I think just seeing some of the sentiment on Twitter and stuff, I think it's like you got to admire Lala's propensity to show up and do the work. Yeah, I agree. Do her job. But at the same time, when you explicitly talk about it as if it's a job, it inherently detracts from the reality.

So it's like Dodie and Luke, you've been doing it long enough now, you know, it's like an unspoken rule in the biz. You just have to, you have to be radically honest, remove your filter and you have to bring it. But like in talking about that and breaking the fourth wall, I don't know lately, I've been feeling like it's jeopardizing the, the authenticity of it, you know, like, because like these are real lives. We're not acting, not making up storylines. No, I do. I agree with you about the Lala thing. And I think I've even maybe not explained it in the best way where I've said on our podcast, recapping it, like, it felt like

she, no one else wanted to talk about whatever the thing was, like calling Rachel or certain moments. So like, or like maybe maybe go have hot dogs with Joe. I guarantee that every other female cast member was like, hell no. And so Lala was like, I'll fucking do it. And so that's what I think to listeners, to you guys, like what we're trying to explain about reality TV, the job of it is being authentic and not,

and like you can't have these conversations privately about girl Joe or about this or that, whatever. And then when the cameras are off, go, no, we're not doing that because the audience essentially it means like, oh, the audience will rip us apart because we can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And so the job that Lala did is just saying the things that were already being said behind like off camera. Totally.

I do get her a lot of credit for that. I don't know. Me too. Lala brings it, without a doubt. She's a star on the show. But when you talk about it explicitly, I think, I don't know. In my mind, I worry that it jeopardizes the autisticity.

But there's no doubt about it. Lala shows up. It does the work. And the thing is, a lot of those conversations are conversations you should have. They're like healthy, therapeutic conversations, ones that you would just rather put off. Let's talk about it a month, three months from now,

maybe never, preferably sweep it under the rug, say la vie. But short term, it's like we live almost in a condensed time scale when we do reality TV. And as awful as some of those conversations are to have, it's long term, they're usually therapeutic and probably healthy. But like in Ariana's case this year at the reunion and everything, in like the graywalling and stuff and just given that it was like this national global sensation, I think her

not wanting to have that conversation with Tom at the end, I think it was earned. But you know, I also see other people's viewpoint, like you know, we've all had to have that conversation with Tom at the end. I think it was earned, but I also see other people's viewpoint. We've all had to have such horribly uncomfortable conversations. But anyways, I don't know. I think it seems polarized online. It seems very polarized. Of course it does. I think it was earned from Ariana. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I could not agree more. So I know you can't give away too much obviously about like reunions two and three, like what you experienced, but they did tease and I am dying to know what was it like watching the final act of the show together live on stage and then immediately having to talk

about it because I think I would shit my pants. I think I cried. It didn't feel like a finale finale to me, but it just felt like a retrospective. And it got me feeling all kinds of nostalgia. Even though some of us were in our 30s, we kind of grew up on television. Yeah, I don't know. We really did. And we forged really deep, meaningful friendships. Kristin, you're the second person I ever met in Los

Angeles. I love you. You're my family. Love you. And yeah, it got me feeling a lot of feels. It's just like not having time to digest it alone, like watch the show kind of digest it and like talk to one of your friends on the show or friend off the show like, oh man, I just watched this. Now I'm gearing up for the reunion. They're like, sit down and you're going to watch right here right now. What do you think? It just seems wild to me. Like surprise. In that moment, a seed was planted because it's like, oh, I started talking about this

and we changed it. but I like really, I've come to love the viewing parties at Schwartz and Sandy's. It's such a good vibe and the crowds are insane. There's such good energy in the air and everyone's so excited and like it's so positive. I get a lot of constructive criticism too, but it's like full of nuance and empathy.

It's so busy. It's just so busy when like I came the one time and I was like, whoa. People are not shying away from shorts and sandies anymore. Whoop, whoop, whoop. Yeah, it's been really good. But yeah, that planted a seed around that moment when I saw that. I was like, I wanna do a retrospective

and I wanna go back and watch some vintage VPR episodes. Cause Kristen, you know, I haven't probably seen, I don't know how many episodes. I've watched a lot of the later seasons, but early on I didn't watch any of the seasons at all. So I want to go back and experience, experience that for the first time with an audience. And maybe have you guys come like co-host once in a while,

whoever's down, I'm going to watch some vintage VPR episodes at Schwartz and Sandy's Tuesdays after the reunion and we're going to keep it going. And maybe it's a little masochistic, but I'm excited about it. Yeah. So I know you talked about this on the reunion too, but I don't know if there's much else to say, but like, were you guys, I mean, I'm sure you were bummed when you guys realized that you're not going to be filming at Schwartz and Sandy's this past season.

And it's like, I didn't notice it at first when we were watching it, and then I'm like, wait, are they ever gonna go there? Because what the hell? And I do get it because of all the stuff that was happening, and I think that you guys are back in business, you've taken off again, I think people have calmed down. I hated what you guys had to go through

because of a cheating scandal, like sorry, but it's ridiculous. Moving forward, I mean, obviously you guys have a lot of stuff planned for the bar. Moving forward, if you get to season 12, do you guys, would you be filming there, do you think? For sure. It's like we have such great communication,

Tom, I, Greg, staff, like we're just like, we're synced up now, you know what I mean? And we're on a united front and we've, yeah, we're so down to filming there. And we just, we've been doing R&D the past month for drinks and food. There's all kinds of new stuff coming about the new sound system

We're gonna have a stage soon, you know under the starry night Kristen. Yeah We're gonna turn that into a stage for like Maybe like live podcast balancing act live with Luke and Kristen It's just been really good vibes and I wanted to take a second to say I'm grateful for everyone who's been coming in lately. It means a lot and it's just been so fun lately. In wake of a really strange and twisted year, it's been such a breath of fresh air in there, man. And it's been fun lately, I haven't said that in a long time.

It is fun, I'm so glad. Yeah, you seem like much less stressed like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders. I mean, there's still weight. There's still weight. Did you know that hair thinning will happen to approximately one in two women? If you're among them, know that you're not alone. Thinning is normal, but it's not openly talked about and going through it, it can feel lonely and frustrating. So join the over 1 million people that are doing something about it with Nutrifol. Nutrifol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement with over 1 million people seeking thicker, stronger, faster growing hair with less shedding. Everyone's root causes of hair thinning are different. A one-size-fits-all approach to hair growth doesn't cut it. Nutrifol has multiple formulas to give your hair what it needs to grow throughout different stages

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You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know if you remember Kristen, but before like the pandemic, I was getting to the point where I was just confident enough to DJ in the bars. I want to be able to DJ in my bars. I'm not trying to be like superstar DJ. I just want to be able to DJ in my bars I want to we're kind of relaunching our whiskey, which I'm super stoked about we're gonna be doing some bottle signings next week We got distribution in California, which is cool Hell yeah, that's big

I know Jack's Jack's told me he wanted to carry it because he was asking me about witches of WeHo wine for the bar call. And he's like, I want to carry Tom's whiskey and I want this. And he just wants to be entrepreneurs supporting entrepreneurs, best friends and get back to that nostalgia, that old school friendships that we had before. Yeah, it's been nice seeing Tom and Jack's hanging out again, getting along too. But you know, anyways, we're not going to have to go down that road, but. What do you, do you think you're going to like travel at all?

Are you going to stay in LA? Yes, yes, I'm going to travel for the first time in my life. I'm planning on playing the World Series of Poker. Kristin, you know, I'm an avid poker player. But I've never played live. I've never played live.. I've never played live. So I'm really excited about that. I'm also, also, this is another dream

that I think is finally coming to fruition. I have property in Florida. I'm finally gonna build a house for my family there. And I have like this little pond. I'm super stoked about that. Dude, that's massive. Yeah, I mean, it's like, I've been a bit of a Debbie Downer. I'm pretty self-aware. It's just like, I don't know, I'm going from your dream house and sub 3%

to like an apartment that costs almost as much as your part of the egg. It's just, I was bitter about it for a long time, but it's okay. I've made peace with it. And yeah, there's a lot of good little things happening right now. I've been working out like every day, eating healthier, and I'm reading a little bit again. I stopped reading for like the past four years. Yeah, we used to read a lot. I used to read a lot. How does one become less bitter? Because I'm still a little fucking bitter. I say it all the time, and Luke and I are getting ready to move out of the apartment and rent a house so we have a backyard. And I'm like, this is just fucking killing me because yeah,

my mortgage was not much more than my rent is now. And to rent a house in LA, it's going to be a hell of a lot more than what I'm paying now. I'm like, I'm still bitter. At least you'll have my help. That's true. Yeah. No, Kristen, I empathize with you on such a deep level. Like there was a lot of things, there was a lot of trials and tribulations in the past two years, but like this one, I guess was relatively trivial. But man, I like being sub 3%, like the same house I bought before the pandemic, I'm going

off to get, I don't know if we want to get our numbers. We got that for 1.95, I think. And now like that house is probably like 2.7 With a 7 or 8 percent interest rate that like my old my mortgage if I was to buy it now would be like 16 or 17 thousand dollars Which is crazy, but it's such a hard time to get into the market right now I saw Lala and Sheena did it so I got to give props to them because they say there's never a bad time to get Into the market in Los Angeles, but also the last headline I read about the market in the rest of the countries

It's the worst time to buy in 20 years. This is boring shit. Let's let's get back to the gossip You guys what's can I ask you guys some questions? He was doing that You just did your first season of reality TV together Luke, I'm sure you had so many fucking apprehensions and neuroses and just like reservations and everything. How you guys feeling coming out? First of all, shout out to the Valley. I feel like it's been a great success. A lot of people come in and say they love it. I've been watching it and I think it's cool, man. I think you guys did a great job. How has it impacted your relationship? That's a tough question. What do you think, Luke?

You know, during filming was, I mean, you're watching it, it was, it was tough. It was weird. I didn't have any really preparation going into it and I didn't know what to expect. Like I was actually sold. This is like a more evolved, like better version of Vaynerpump rules that is going to be about our normal daily. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, this is what I'm sorry. I don't like that. Refrain that.

Refrain it, okay. Reword that. It was supposed to be evolved. Not better, more evolved, less dramatic. More evolved? Meaning like it's about our families and about, oh no, kids got sick and I don't know. They said they were gonna be like

about these normal family issues, not the same kind of like he said, she said, yada yada. And it turned- But then the cameras follow what's really happening. Yeah, so I don't know. This is blasphemous, this is blasphemous, but I'll hear it. I usually don't get caught on my heels, but this is such a new world to me

that I got knocked off balance a few times, absolutely. Yeah. With our relationship though, I don't think it affected it that much. During filming was weird. It was super weird. It felt like I was living in the Twilight Zone. The people use that term a lot.

But now, I don't know, it's solid. We're doing another season. So hey, I'm still here, still alive. No, I don't expect that. For now. Luke, what's it like seeing yourself get heated, almost come to blows on television, lose your cool, so to speak? What's it like seeing yourself like get heated almost come to blows on television lose your cool Sort of speak not to say it wasn't warranted

But it's like it's never cool to let the world see a sweat and be vulnerable for the first time on television How is that for you? Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things you put your hands over your face, you know I don't know I actually got a lot of I got way more love than hate on it way more people are like, thank God someone stood up For Kristen, you know, awful. I'm just saying comments. They're like, Jesse's awful. Thank God you stood up to her. How did they let him talk to her like that or talk to Michelle, yada, yada. But it was weird. It's trippy. I don't know. Maybe that's why I haven't watched

the last few episodes. You get in there and you watch it. okay? He does like hearing his voice though. Well, that's a podcast got me used to that. Yeah, you have a lovely voice if it's any comfort to you. Thanks. You guys are solid, you guys are solid. I haven't hung out with you guys. We need to go on like a little like hang out. I'm gonna be your third wheel one night.

That'd be so fun. Sounds good to me. I'd love to take you guys to dinner soon. Wait, this feels like a wrap up. It's not a wrap up. No, we're not wrapping up. We're just talking about food. Just talking about food.

Yeah, we're out in Colorado. I'm coming back to LA tomorrow. Luke's gone for about another month or so. Yeah. Still a nomad. While we're on the topic of the Valley though, I wanna know your thoughts on Jackson-Britt's split. Well, they're such dear friends of mine.

Yeah, because I got to call you out on something shorts. Oh, shit. Okay, let me say, I think, I don't know, it's kind of gray area. I think separation for them is healthy right now. I'm a champion for separation and divorce when things aren't working. Not that I don't believe in fighting for something you believe in and love, but at some point, I don't know. I don't know.

Have they reached the point of no return? I guess time will tell. And I don't know. It's tough to say. But generally speaking, from what I've seen, I'm an advocate for a healthy, amicable separation. Yeah, I agree with that, totally. Well, the one thing I just wanted to call you out on, because you were one of the first people to know about the separation, because you were with Jackson Brittany, because Brittany told me. And she made sure that she said it in

front of you, because she didn't want Jax to like, not believe her or be be able to spin it when it first, first happened. I'm talking like months ago. Totally. And I felt honored that they could fire me, but it's like at the same time. But then you were lying about it in the public. Well, they asked me not to say anything. Oh, Jax probably did because Brittany was like, wait a minute. Brittany's like, why is he saying he doesn't really know? I made sure that he knew. But I get it. But that night she asked me not to say anything. They both said, hey, like they asked me not

to say anything about it. Okay, fair, fair. And it's like, also, like, God, I don't want to know any secrets, by the way, after you know what, I just don't want anyone to confide in me. You can, I mean, I'm a safe place. I'm a good friend, but like, no, no, no, no. No like hot topics. No torrid affairs, no cheating scandals. I'm here to, I'm here, I'm here, you know,

I just told her to cry on an ear for you, but anyway. I agree with you though. I think my opinion changes every few weeks. I like, I go from saying that I still have hope, but it's on Jax and then there are other times where I'm like, maybe this isn't going to work out. But then I still just hang on to that hope a little bit. And I just tell everyone, Brittany's very honest about it. So just listen to what she or she and Jax have to say and they're going to tell the truth about whether or not it's gonna work out.

But I think they don't know yet. I think we'll find out this summer. I think so too. I think we will too, but I think regardless of what happens in the future, I think in the here and now, that separation was healthy and much needed. And I gotta say,

they've been doing a heck of a job co-parenting. Oh yeah. You know? Shout out to Jax and Brittany, if you guys here see this, they've been doing a really good job co-parenting. Oh yeah. You know? Shout out to Jackson and Brittany if you guys here see this. They've been doing a really good job co-parenting and not letting it jeopardize their dynamic with their son. Oh absolutely.

They do everything together when it comes to cruise. Like Mother's Day, soccer practice, school, everything. So I think that that's so amazing and so healthy that they both like they can put everything else aside because that means so much more. Yeah, but I love those guys. I'm doing Jax's podcast later today, actually. Oh, you are. Okay. Yeah, yes, a moment or so. I want to talk about a little hot topic very briefly because of course, when I asked the fans

and the Instagram followers what they wanted to ask you about it was an overwhelmingly Joe heavy situation. So for me I don't want to give this too much attention. Obviously we see that she will be on the reunion next week. Things have changed since you filmed the reunion and I don't want to give this too much attention because I feel like this clip as we're speaking is going to end up on an Instagram Live very shortly. Yeah.

But I just want to say that I, as of her last Instagram Live or whenever that was, you let me read your text to her in its entirety. And my frustration lies in that she was cherry picking bits and pieces and not reading the context behind these things, leaving out things that you said that were very kind, as well as leaving out things that you had to call her out on that frustrated you.

And we're not gonna say what those things are because that's between the two of you. And we're not gonna pull out Joe by talking more about that. But I just want people to know that, because everyone's like, well, what happened? What's the main thing? And why did it turn this way so quickly?

So I think, is that fair to say that you explained yourself in a very lengthy text message and said everything you had to say, and it was you that sent the text. Yeah, it was firm, but constructive. And yeah, it felt like a major violation when she went and read that. And she cherry picked it to fit her narrative online.

And like, I get it. She's going through some feelings, like she's hurt a little bit. You know, like, I know I'm very familiar with the feeling of being rejected, but it's like the reasons I pulled away from Joe are very valid and she has to respect those like she just I mean Yeah, I'm not gonna get into it. No, I don't want to do that to her But like she's she's she's told some egregious lies that I found out and I've debunked and I've called

If I've called her out on a few of them But some of them are just so uncomfortable to bring up that I never addressed it. I knew at a certain point that I had to pull away from her. Hopefully she can respect that. It does feel like a violation when she goes on there. And it's like she's kind of spinning this narrative, like she's a victim, I played her. And it's like, poor Jo, I'm like, it's just,

I don't know, man. I get it that her feelings are hurt, but like, if I was to talk about the reasons why I separated from her, which are very valid, I think everybody would be singing a different tune online, they'd be like, okay, my God, I'm sorry, I judged you, Schwartz, but like. And I will say, some of those reasons are reasons

why I would not redevelop my friendship with her. Like, meaning I've been through some of the things, the lies that you've been through as well. So I just wanted to make that crystal clear for people that I think you handled it so incredibly well. You placed a very intelligent and healthy boundary for yourself, for your relationship, for your mental health, for your sanity, really.

So you can have a really healthy, productive, awesome summer. You don't have to film. You don't need all this extra drums in your life. You're just trying to move on to bigger, better, more positive ways of living. Yeah. I'm on, I'm like, I'm drama fatigue. And it's like, honestly, maybe it wouldn't have escalated to that. But like over the, like while the show was airing people

Were continually sending me clips and memes. Oh my god. She was saying she's making me look bad People are rallying against you, you know team Joe and I'm just like I ignored it for so long And I think I just hit my breaking point that day Yeah, and I there's some other things that happened with my family that I found out that I was very unhappy about And anyways, anyways, so yeah, I just I cut her off. I blocked her There's some other things that happened with my family that I found out that I was very unhappy about. And anyways, anyways, so yeah, I just I cut her off. I blocked her. I don't have I don't harbor any resentment.

I'm not like harboring ill. I don't want you know, I'm not sending bad vibes out there or whatever. Totally. It's just a boundary. I wish her well. But yeah, she's she's not in my life in any capacity anymore. It never will be. Last question about on this topic.

Have you seen Baby Reindeer? No, I have not seen Baby Reindeer. Are you familiar with what it is? Vaguely. Vaguely, okay. You need to watch it though. We should just watch it. That's all I'll say.

It's worth it. I don't know. But anyways. It's pretty wild. I'll leave on a positive note. You know? It was, you know. Anyways.

Yeah, don't. No hard feelings. No hard feelings at all. Okay. Well, I want to talk a little bit about balance because this is something we just like to talk about, like dealing with, well, we'll just talk about you specifically, especially, so yeah, you have this successful show, you have shorts and sandies, you guys still have Tom Tom, you are off the market, you're dating, you know, you have two dogs, you have friendships, you have a family out of town, you are balancing a lot of shit in your life.

Doing it very well, I might add. How do you handle stress? When you can like knock yourself out of like, ugh, fucking stress out, like what helps you to like de-stress? Like, I guess the number one thing would be ample rest and work out, talking to my family on a regular basis, like I don't know, after like two years of having people in and out of the hospital, like in a vegetative state,

telling you that they have a 5% chance to live, cancers, they're gonna die, transferring to different hospitals, like everything else seems pretty manageable, you know what I mean? Everything else seems pretty manageable when I don't have a family member in the hospital that's dying. Because it just strains the family dynamic so much in your mental health and then even when you're trying to have a like a lighthearted fun moment, you feel guilty. I remember feeling a lot of guilt about

not being able to do more even though I was flying back across the country constantly and it's like it just was one after the other. First it was my dad for seven months then Brandon got cancer then he was okay and then right after that Bert you know had to be rushed to the hospital and he almost like more or less they wrote him off he was you know they stamped him with hospice and he was toast so we had to fight like we were in the fight of our lives to save his life and to give him another chance At life and anyways, that was hard They're also like trying to salvage the reputation of the bar turn things around

Yeah after we were getting doxxed and like there's people picketing outside of Schwartz and Sandy's You know coming out of the divorce like I gotta be honest, I don't know how well I handled diversity. I definitely spiraled a few times. But- Well, I mean, rightfully so. You can't just stop fucking butterflies and rainbows. That's the toughest of the toughest coming at you in every way, and you got through it.

The obstacle is the way, they say. I think maybe as hard as the past two years have been, I think for sure, they've forged a stronger person. I just have, I feel like I have a stronger determination. I feel more ambitious, more grounded than I've ever felt in my life. Aspirational, aspirational, that's Courtney. No, it's odd, I love it.

No, I just- You got a dream, man. I think I was like very, very comfortable. Like from like after getting married So like heading into the pandemic like I was flush with cash I had a sick crib like I was wasn't worried about anything my family was healthy like my my portfolio was looking sexy stocks crypto Property like I was just do I felt so good, but I think Like I was just doing, I felt so good, but I think that comfort zone I was in would have been detrimental to myself 10, 15, 20 years from now.

I just, you know, I was working and hustling, but I just wasn't thinking about the future that much. And I was too cozy. And I kind of missed it, man. I'm not going to lie. I do too. I forgot what that feels like. I guess I'm hustling again.

Maybe it was a wake up call. Maybe I had it too easy. I think life just throws shit at you. It's cool that you can look at it that way though, that you can try to, in retrospect, think of it that way. Sometimes shit just fucking happens and you went through a lot of shit and you came out on the other side of it that way. But sometimes shit just fucking happens and you went through a lot of shit and you came out on the other side of it, which is massive. Yeah, thanks Dodie. I try not to have a victim mentality and I don't, but it is hard, you

know, like the past few years just having your reputation just like in shambles. You know, it's rough and some of that, you know, I can take some accountability for for sure, but it sucks You know, I talked to my mom earlier and she's like I was feeling like I had the blues this morning when I first woke up And she can like sense it always whenever I'm feeling down. Yeah, she hit me up. She's like Tommy Everybody in your life loves you I've never met someone in my entire life who doesn't love you and I have to remind myself that my life isn't lived online You know as hard as ruthless as people can be on the internet.

Like, I have such a great group of friends and family. Oh my God. I'm like rich. I'm balling out of control of friends and family. I just got to remind myself of that. And you know. It does get hard though because back in the day, like even when we started Vanderpump, like this online presence wasn't even a thing.

Instagram didn't even exist then. So it really, I say this, I feel like daily, but it's like, I have this love-hate relationship with social media because in ways, there's an amazing community of people that you may never, you've never gotten to meet if we didn't have this access to them. Where I've met people to get through,

sort of like my dog passing away, just how many wonderful messages and like stuff we talk about on our podcast or like things Luke and I have been through and finding this community of people that you can share stories with. And then there's that hate relationship because of the trolls.

And I have, just like you, I have to remind myself, like why am I fucking scrolling? Why am I looking at my phone again? Like, why am I, what is it, a glutton for punishment right now? You know? I mean, I get it. It's like, I get it. It's like in life, there's no, there's no, there's no light without darkness. There's no low without eight, they say. You can't have the highs without the lows. Exactly. And I'm aware of that every once in a while, though, it's like, you know, I feel like I'm on shaky ground, but yeah,

it's like, it's a beast, man. And it's like people, as we get older and mature and grow our brands, it's like people are hyper aware of their image online. Like sometimes that bums me out there because I know my friends want to come support me. I won't say names on the cast, but I think some still worry about how it might affect their brand if they're seen at

Schwartz and Sandy's. Oh for sure. But even though in the scenes they're like so proud and they tell me they love the food, the drinks, the vibes but they're like very aware of their brands and like they don't want to maybe be seen in there because I might be seen as anti-Aryon or I don't know. That's such a, that's like I don't hear any of that anymore. It's like, it's just so, it's been so positive lately and you know, water under the bridge and I'm, by the way, can I give Ariana and Katy a shout out? Hell yeah! Something about her opening in like less than two weeks?

I know! Are you going to the soft opening one of the days? I won't be here. I think that's this weekend. I'm dropping the dogs off with Katy's mom because Katy will be there on Friday. But um, listen, I won't be here. I think that's this weekend. I'm dropping the dogs off with Katie's mom, because Katie will be there on Friday. But listen, I didn't get an invitation. I don't expect one. But you know, I'm still going to be out there supporting them, plugging the brand, showing love. And I'm so stoked. I'm so stoked. Like me too. And I like, you know, it was kind of a funny part of the reunion, your shitty eating grin, but I didn't take it was kind of a funny part of the reunion, your shit-eating grin, but I didn't take it the way that they were sort of claiming on the reunion that it was

taken. Like as if you were like, haha, you get it. I was like, no, I feel like that was a genuine smile, like they're finally opening. No, it was a bit of both. It was like, it was a smile of commiserating. It's like now, it wasn't relishing in their difficulties or their adversity and their delays, because I know the pain and suffering and the money,

how expensive it is with the delays and everything. But it was just like a sense of, oh my God, because I remember I got so much shit from everybody. I'm not saying necessarily from Katie and Ariana, but everybody was busting my balls. How hard is it to open a fucking bar? Just open it. It's not that hard. It's so hard. We went through so many problems, overcame so many obstacles. But yeah, it was just like

a commiserating smile. Like you get it now. Welcome to the club. Right. For better or for worse. But anyways, I'm proud of them. And no, it was not me reveling in their setbacks or anything like that. But it kind of did look like a shit-eating grin. So if I was an audience member, I would have thought that too. When they panned back to it, they did a little flashback to it, though. That was funny as shit.

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Enjoy. Oh my God, talk about fucking nostalgia during the season and just you guys like going to Mel's diner and I don't know and just like having your banter again and like making fun of each other. And I'm like, this is so refreshing. I am a tip of the hat because I miss that. Yeah.

You know, we're never gonna be as close as we were before, but I just like being cordial. You know, I like a little healthy, facetious, friendly banter, bust each other's balls a little bit, but like, you know, still be cool. And yeah, it feels like we're at peace again, you know? And that, I mean, that was your relationship anyway, like before you guys, I remember when

I first introduced you, it was like the quirky, the banter, the yeah, like the being facetious sarcasm, like sarcasm was like what made you guys, you know, become like best friends that led to your relationship essentially. So I think it's cool that, you know, with time you guys can get back to like that friendly place or that you have gotten back to that friendly place. I know it's watching your back. It's so weird. I'm just like, how did it come to this? It was a trip. I got to say, I really enjoyed watching it. I liked our banner too. And like, you know, we're cool. We're cool. Katie knows. Yeah. I got respect for her. I got love for Katie. She's got love for me, but like, you know, we're cool, we're cool. Katie knows, yeah, I got respect for her. I got love for Katie, she's got love for me, but like, you know, we have very healthy boundaries.

But yeah, there's still love there. No hard feelings. So next question is about your sticky roommate proposal. So many fans want to know. Yeah, what's the status? You mentioned you guys might be looking at an investment house together. Yeah, what's the status? You mentioned you guys might be looking at an investment house together. Are you staying in the apartment?

Are you getting your own place in a house? What's the plan? Well, listen, it's kind of dynamic right now. It's like, I'm thinking about downsizing slightly, maybe like a cool little lot. First of all, I've always wanted to live in a loft, like a cool artist loft. I found a really cool one in the valley. I was thinking about possibly downsizing while I build my house in Florida.

Love that. Nice. Just to cut costs a little bit. But the optics of me moving in with Sandoval are not good for my personal growth and everything. I agree. But it's like, I also don't mind helping my friend out because I don't know exactly what's going to happen with the house, but I know his mortgage is going to be a lot more should he get to keep the house.

I don't mind helping my buddy out either. I'd rather give him some of my money, have a little backyard, a pool, and chill out there while I build my house in Florida. But for sure, it wouldn't be anything long term. As much as we love each other, and we've had very healthy conversations about this, we're like, dude, I don't really want to live with you. And he's like, I don't want to live with you either. But I'm thinking it would be fun one last time before we get too old, we get hitched,

have kids. And maybe it'd be fun to live together. But it's like, my God, the sentiment online is like, ew, don't do it, loser. Up till 4 a.m., like, at least you can use the microwave and the air conditioning at the same time. Oh my God, it's so crazy that we all live together. I found this picture the other day that I texted Schwartz.

It was like in my Facebook memories of when we, right before we started filming Vanderpump Rules, that place was a bigger shithole, that apartment, than what you ever saw on TV. And whatever, I did all this like looking into like tenant laws and rules for West Hollywood. And I was like, guys, we can get new carpet. They have to repaint it. So we had them got a bathroom and I found this photo popped up. It was like 13 years ago or something like that. And it was like the gutted pink bathtub, ugly bathroom.

And I was like, oh my God, holy shit. That pink bathtub, by the way, I sometimes I miss that building. I'm still like very fond of it because that's where everything started. We all held each other. But it's like, I know, okay, I'm romanticizing it, but it's like that bathtub in particular, I remember back in the day, like, you know, I remember getting drunk a few, like at least one time

I got a little too drunk and I fell asleep and the bathtub flooded and Marcy came out from downstairs. She's like, what is going on? Why are ceilings leaking? And I was just like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. It's like, dude, I loved living in there though, man. It's like, I feel like that should be an historic site. Maybe, I feel like it should swing by there

when we do our bar crawl. It's so little love. That's funny. Yeah, but it was the best of times and it was the worst of times, rightie. It really was a lot of memories Yeah Yeah, that was very sticky Luke. I honestly watching it back on this like dude You could have at least weighed the pros and cons had a healthy conversation about it. Instead. I just

It was sticky as hell right afterwards to the producers like that was painfully sticky I never get to propose again. This would be nice. I thought what you did. That was hilarious. I thought it was great. It was sticky as hell. Right afterwards, the producer was like, that was painfully sticky, I'm sorry. And then we just had a laugh. I didn't think they would put it in. It was hysterical though. I don't know how they couldn't.

I mean, it was funny. It was great. Also, what I was saying earlier about you being so great this season is there were so many heavy episodes, like what you were saying. And I feel like you were the consistent comedic relief. You'd make some little joke or little witty comment and it was like, needed that, this was way too heavy.

You know? Yeah. I know, my problem is I do it to a fault and sometimes in inappropriate situations, like a bootleg Chandler, because Chandler's actually funny. But like, you know, he makes inappropriate jokes in inappropriate times. I'm like the ill-timed bootleg Chandler's actually funny, but he makes inappropriate jokes at inappropriate times. I'm like the ill-timed bootleg Chandler.

I'm here for it. I think it's perfect timing when needed. I love it. Well, speaking of proposals, you were saying, I don't know if you were just saying it in passing, but when you said, me and Tom, before we get older, get hitched to have kids, I know you me and Tom, you know, before we get like, get older, get hitched, have kids, like I know you always wanted to be a dad. Do you think, you know, whenever

it could be that you would get married again? Or have kids? If you would have asked me, if you would have asked me anytime pre 2024, I would have said, hell no. Right. Now I think I'm softening up to the idea again. I think I could do it again. I wouldn't mind cohabitating or just honestly, I like the idea of just staying engaged too.

But- But like a long-term relationship, no paperwork, no government paperwork type of thing. Like the Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell. Goals, the ultimate couple goals, Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell. But at the same timeie Hawn Kurt Russell, but at the same time I love weddings I just went to Mason and Austin's I cried four times minimum like I'm a sucker for weddings. I love them. I do too I love love stuff. I love love to And you still you still think you want to have kids just like future obviously you don't know this minute But is that something you think about in the future?

Well, I reckon I'll have kids someday. Yeah, for sure. I like I hate it. Man, I never imagined I would be where I'm at in life and this age and not have kids. But here I am. Yeah, but I'm still like full of gratitude. I'm not sweating it too much. And yeah, I think someday I'll hopefully have a family and goats and pigs. All right. I like the way you're talking now. Yeah. Yeah. Alpacas over llamas. Yeah. I told Luke I want baby goats. She wants baby goats. Oh, baby goats. I want those little furry like mini mini cows. Oh yes, the Scottish Highland cows. Yes, that's what, yeah. Anyway, if I can get her ass out here,

we're gonna have the little mini furry cows and baby goats and all the good stuff. That's how he bribed me. Yeah. Like talk dirty to me. Lots of dogs, some lizards, maybe a new dog, RIP dog. Oh yeah, some lizard. Oh no, you need a monkey-tailed skink.

That's what you need. You guys are so weird. I think during either what, I think during Watch What Happens Live, was it with us, Kristen? When Andy was like, was dog's lizard funeral the lowest point in the history of Vanderpump rules?

And I was like, yes, but I will. Oh, I remember when you and Katie first, I don't know if you had moved out or you were getting ready to, and I was like, do you have to disclose that there's a lizard buried in the backyard when you sell a house? I don't know the rules. No, you do not. But I was like, wouldn't that be weird if you had to be like, so in the southwest corner. I told her I'm friends with Donna, the new yeah, she's cool. She's my male comes there

She's always so sweet. I go pick it up. Anyways, I told her She was freaked out a little bit, but I feel like you know, you're like, it's just a skeleton now It's the ghost of dog won't haunt her, you know, it'll be no there to protect a benevolent spirit Yeah for sure. Hey, we got some rapid fires for you. You ready? Oh shit, I'm not good at these. All right. What's your favorite pizza topping? Pepperoni and jalapeno. Other than that, I like ricotta cheese and meatballs. Nice. That sounds delicious. All right. Go to lazy dinner. Whoa, go to lazy dinner. I mean, I'm a sucker for takeout, but like probably my favorite thing is just to get like a little Postmates. Lately, I've been sucker for takeout, but like probably my favorite thing is just to get like a

Little postmates lately. I've been really digging John and Vinny's Oh John and Vinny's is the tits No, not yet. We've driven by it. I told you about it though Italian Okay, fucking but like a lazy meal that I wouldn't like a super lazy like I'm like down bad Yeah, gremlin meal at home that I would have to make is like probably boxed mac and cheese. Ooh, good answer. Kristin loves her mac and cheese. Love my mac and cheese.

All right, now you don't have plans, you going out or staying in? Damn, man. Let's get into this. This is supposed to be a fun rapid fire question. I wanna stay in, I wanna stay in, but it's like I'm so devoted to the bars, Tom Thomas, Schwartz & Sandys.

I feel like, I love it, I love it. You know, it's a labor of love. But it's like, you know, it is a job. And it's like, on my nights off, I'm like, I wanna go explore some new spots and everything. But also like, I feel like I'm not getting enough, like self-love, just chill at home with the pups time, you know, so for Gordron Butters sake I'm staying in staying in staying in

There it is. All right sports or reality TV. This is easy sports sports, but I'm listen I just watched my first season The Bachelor shot to Joey and Kelsey And I love I love reality TV and moderations if I had to pick those sports for sure. Okay sports All right movie choices comedy or horror? How about a dark comedy? Dark comedy. With a horror element to it. Like I'm picturing like Shaun of the Dead. But yeah man, lately I've been watching a lot of Saw lately.

I haven't seen a Saw. You have? Are you watching them one through however many there are? Damn, I think. Just sporadically here, yeah. I've only seen a song. Are you watching them one through however many there are? I think. Just sporadically here, yeah. I've only seen the first one. I was like, guy from Princess Bride is in it,

and otherwise I just can't handle this gore shit. Tom, would you ever do a scripted horror film that has some comedy aspects? I would love to. It's like, I've said this on the record, off the record, but I've always wanted, I feel like this is just bad, you just say, but I've always wanted to die on camera. Kristen, you've died on camera, haven't you?

Yeah. Tom Sandoval killed me in a movie. 23 Minutes to Sunrise, by the way. Not that one, though, it was the Behind Your Eyes. He killed me in the first seven minutes, but we also did 23 Minutes, yeah. I wanted to soft pitch you on this and embrace yourself. I was thinking it'd be fun to do a movie night and maybe watch 23 Minutes to Sunrise with you and Tom one night.

Is that crazy? That'd be hilarious. I mean, I feel like we could get like, I don't know. Have you ever seen How Did This Get Made? Do you ever listen to that podcast? But I'm going to now. I'm going to now. I thought it'd be fun to get you guys in there.

I mean, you and Tom are cool. I know you guys aren't fucking BFFs or anything to get you guys in there. I mean, you and Tom are cool. I know you guys aren't fucking BFFs or anything, but you guys are cool, right? Yeah, yeah. I say hi when I see him. Yeah, you're cordial. Yeah.

Anyways, I thought it'd be fun to have a little movie night once in a while in there. I have not seen that one in a hot minute for a show. I haven't seen it before, so. Oh, that's right. I don't know what we're getting into. How did you die behind your eyes? He stabs me in the back in the first seven minutes.

When we shot the movie, it was the first time I'd ever done a film. And in real life, I had no idea, but he had a frozen water bottle. And so when his character, when he comes up the stairs and I'm like walking, I don't know that he's there. And then he is like supposed to like cover my mouth and stab me in the back and he used a frozen water bottle so I screamed. It's pretty smart.

Listen, Sandoval has done a ton of movies but he's very thoughtful you know he's like been in that world a long time he's got chops. Yeah. So do you Doty, you got chops too but I would love I would love to die on camera, not on reality TV. Right. OK? Like Saw style death, you know? OK, we'll make that shit happen. We'll be in touch. Yeah. Cool, cool.

So you know, you can wear that hat. And you can wear the hat. We've got an awesome set out here. Anyway, moving on. Next to rapid fire, Gordor Butters. Ho, ho, ho, ho. Fuck you, Luke. I know.

I knew we'd get a good reaction from that. That's the only reason I put it down. Okay, next one. Florida or California? Whoa, dude. Whoa. If I had to pick the rest of my life, fucking I'm going back to Florida. Okay.

Oh yeah. I had a feeling he's going to say Florida. What is your death row meal? Last meal. What about Minnesota? What about Minnesota? No, you had to pick California or Florida though. Those are my choices I gave you. is your death row meal, last meal. What about Minnesota? What about Minnesota? No, you had to pick California or Florida though.

Those were my choices I gave you. Whoa, death row, last meal. Yep. I've never been asked this, I don't think. I'm gonna want a variety. I like a variety when I go to a restaurant. So I'm probably gonna get thin crust, Papa John's, pepperoni, jalapeno,

with like the garlic sauce. I'm gonna get, I'm to get like an Italian beef sandwich. I'm going to get, uh, with like a French dip. I'm going to get, uh, I want like some, probably want like some Mickey D's in there for sure. I love McDonald's fries. Let's see. Maybe some curly fries from Arby's maybe for sure.

Taco bell. I want a little bite of everything by the way. What am I missing? Some stuff, maybe some lobster corn dogs, some shorts and sandies. Got a shout out to a spot. Maybe some cauliflower wings from Tom Tom. Maybe some goat cheese balls from Sir and a Pumpkini?

The old school goat cheese balls, yeah. You know, I mean. That's a nice little assortment. A nice cold Coors Light, maybe a shot of Jager, maybe some Tom's Good Love, and definitely some Patron, a lot of tequila. You know, that's a good start. What am I missing?

Some candy, some Haribo candy? Ooh. Yeah, you like the peach one. No, the grapefruit or the peach? I forget which one you like. Both, both. Okay, that's my rapid fire. Grapefruit or peach, Haribo? Grapefruit,. Both. Both, both. Okay, that's my rapid fire. Grapefruit or peach?

Haribo. Oh, grapefruit, grapefruit. Easy, easy. Okay. Okay, last one. What's your hype song when you're getting ready to either go film, go to reunion, go out? No, you're getting ready to go out.

Like you're getting ready to go out for the night, go to an event. You're like really feeling yourself and you're like, I got to blast this music while I do my hair. Man, I don't know if I have one right now. And it fluctuates. It's always changing. Wait, what's yours, Kristen? Do you have one right now and it fluctuates. It's always changing. Wait, what's yours, Kristen?

Do you have one? It depends. Lately, it's just been, I tell Alexa to play high energy country music and then she plays like country workout radio, which is fucking weird. But usually it's that or it's like 90s hip hop. Yeah. I like a little Calvin Harris, like ready for the weekends era Calvin Harris like I don't know maybe like I'm not alone or yeah man I don't know some Rihanna Calvin Harris

mashup. That's good. Yeah. Nice. That's a vibe. That's a jam. Oh no I know. Easy.

What? Vanderbump rules. Dean and Dudley. Raise your glasses high. That shit's going to play at my funeral while you bury me under the back of sir, the back alley. By the way, I watched the first episode of The Go Doty. I loved Daniel Tosh. Thank you. I know he was so good.

He was so much fun. He's a legend. One of the funniest, one of the best comedians out there. Oh my God. Thanks for watching. That's amazing. Well, keep watching because I'm still on it. Well guys, this has been lovely. It has been so much fun. I love you so much. Congratulations on everything.

I appreciate it. I'm going to come see you guys soon. I'll see you probably this week, or if not this week. Next week or whatever. Okay, cool. I'll be back in a month, so I'll hit you up there. Cool. Miss you guys. All right. Thanks, Tom. Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye, love you. Make sure to follow us on social media.

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