Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - VPR From the Start – S2 E4 & E5

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

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Welcome back everybody! Hi angels! Welcome back to another episode of VPR from the start. We are on season 2 of The Intercom rules episodes four and five. This is hard. The season is not shaping up to be my favorite season, as I've said, but we're here and we're gonna do it. But yeah, it's not getting really any easier to watch. I'm not gonna lie, but probably because I haven't seen it

in a decade. Luke? I get it, babe. I understand. I mean, you've told me about the things that happened, but watching it, people are just brutal to you. And I'm understanding how not fun. It probably was to one, live this and two, go back through and do it now. But you know, here we are, giving the people what they want. And it was a long time ago, and things they have changed.

It's also just not easy for me to watch myself just like deflect and shut down and kind of get trampled on but then also pretend like everything's so wonderful in the world of Kristen even though it like totally wasn't. I'm just like I was such I actually like a child. God. You were blinded by the situation but we'll get into it. We should just probably dive in and get to it. Yeah okay all, all right, let's get started. VPR season two, episode four is titled Rumors. Not like the Fleetwood Mac album. No, that was far better.

So this episode opens with Jack's modeling shoot. Says, he wants to be a producer, making these connections, et cetera. He's got this pretty good looking model there with him a female. It's like an intimate type shoot. Shows are the tattoo and I mean it's not an intimate shoot. It looks so staged to me like looking back. Number one Rustin piece Kitsin. Kitsin, we miss you a little bit overpriced, but I do I do miss Kitsin. But like doing the photo shoot right in front of the window,

this is like on, I'm trying to think Kitsim was like right on Robert Sinro, which is what we call kind of where Serp Hump, Tom Tom, like all, and now something about her, all are. And Kitsim was like right around there somewhere, but this like random photo shoot, like right in front of the glass window in the store. Just was so odd to me. But yeah, Jack's saying like, oh, you know, modeling for contacts now.

Okay, guys, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Season two was the most broke any of us had ever been. So he was modeling for, I don't care if I was a hundred bucks or 500 bucks, you're not modeling for contacts. You're not doing this like cheesy photo shoot for contacts. What's all part of his narrative to try to get Stasi back? He wants to be trying to do something bigger with his life, right?

That's true. That's what I see. Do you think that that chick remembers that she did this photo shoot on season two of a whatever show that a lot of people didn't really know about? And do you think she's embarrassed? Because I would be. I would say 100% I believe she remembers it.

I don't know if she's embarrassed or not. I don't know if I would be. She's like, you're so cute. You're so funny. Was she a producer's dream? Or did she put that on all by herself? I wonder. I'm curious.

Jack's is a producer's dream. That's for sure. He's fantastic at reality television and all of this just Like kind of nails that in for me, you know, what are your thoughts on the photo shoot? I agree I don't know Jack's handled him the way he should have with what he's trying to do Said in you know, I'm closing. He said in a couple years ago. He definitely would have slept with her I don't know. Maybe he had maybe one of his friends. Who knows, it's LA, it's a small world. So next, you have Katie Stoss and I.

Katie and I were applauded, we meet Stossi for a little luncheon. This was a reg thing that we always did. Katie and I had a routine every single day, and it was like, get up, go to the coffee bean, have an iced coffee, share a bagel, go to the gym, or like go to Pilates, or go to something, and then go have lunch and drinks. This is like every day of our life. And then it's like, we're working tonight.

Are you working tonight? Okay, cool, great. And I love that they show Stasi with the mini wine bottles, which looking back, it's very much like a nod to Mark, her father, for like bringing in the mini-ballies before and like the mini, whatever. But we really did carry many wine bottles everywhere with us. Like we should have just started a wine company back then with little mini bottles,

which is if we have mini bottles, maybe. Hey, that's an idea. I like that. For a business standpoint. Anyway, you say like getting suspended is fun and then it kind of cuts to this Jackson Tom conversation where it starts cutting back and forth. I love Stasi being like,

Stasi being like, I am a huge advocate of being suspended from Sir. Hell yeah, like a round of applause, because yes, like we said last week, like, did I need the money? Of course I needed the money, but is it still like kind of time off that's like a vacation?

Hell yeah, it is. Still good to hang out with my friends, but I don't have to deal with Lisa. It's kind of a win-win for both of us. I agree. Looks like you were having fun. Mm-hmm. So then it like cuts to Jackson Tom and they're talking about this photo shoot and then kind of goes back and forth with this Stasi bringing up the kiss with Jackson, you know, at the lake. You're talking about the little kiss.

Can I just have a little kiss? Kind of a hug, just a little peck. And now the kiss, the kiss, you kissed, we kissed. But we kissed. It meant something. Exactly. Well, I mean, I can see his point of view if I was like kind of faunting over somebody and I get that kiss after getting

at their tattoo on my arm. Yeah, that's going to stick with me. I get that kiss after getting their tattoo a arm. Yeah, that's going to stick with me. I'm going to leave there some meaning to it. That is somewhat, she's kind of was leading him on saying, hey, there's still a chance. I'm going to give you a kiss on the model. So you're saying there's a chance. So you're saying these are little baby steps into Jack's being with Stasi again.

Fair enough. True story. Exactly. And you probably don't want to comment on this, but we have to bring it up as the talk about you guys. You and Tom having your makeup sex. And that's had their opinion on whether or not it was a good thing. Everyone still sees that your relationship is kind of fucked at this point.

Yeah, it's pretty clearly fucked and we're just hanging on to like every last little thread before it completely unravels. And I wrote down something that Tom said, like with all the wisdom he wanted to instill in the viewers. He's like, life is too short to be like not happy. So you know, just like, be happy. So just sweep everything under the rug and pretend like everything's happy and cool. And that's just like how to live because you know, life's too short. That is how Tom Sannibal lives his life as we all know now. Just sweep it under the rug and keep doing whatever you want to do and pretend like everything's okay.

Maybe that's where I got it from. Maybe that's like all this deflection and all these like this defense mechanisms that I put up every time he and I would get along for like one full 24 hour period. I'm like, we're great. What are you talking about? We're so great. We've never been better. No wonder people thought I was fucking crazy.

Yeah, and people don't hold back when they start talking about it here coming up. Anyway, let's keep it moving. Oh, Tom and Jack's talking about water pills, laxatives, bronzer, Tom Sanneval, and I was like, oh man, it was such a blast from the past because Tom Sanneval is the one who taught me like the day before a photo shoot, like stop eating it this time and then take laxatives

and then make sure we used to take, I can't remember the name of the water pill but they were these diuretic, obviously, with a water pill. These diuretic pills and then we would take like at nighttime and in the morning the day of shoots so you would just like pee out all of your extra water weight and like not eat and then just take like

adderol and like caffeine. What the fuck were we doing? But he was right, water pills, laxatives and bronzer. That's all we really needed back then. It was like Sir's version of like GTL. Do you remember GTL from Jersey Shore? Jim Tan Laundry.

Jim Tan Laundry. Yeah, ours was like water pills, laxatives bronzer. It was disgusting. Oh geez. It's funny though, then watching Tom and Jack's, when Tom read Jack says, like, oh yeah, there's this girl at the photo shoot, and the way that Jack talks to Tom about it, so differently than the way he was talking to Stasi about it. He was like, yeah, there's this girl. I mean, she was hot.

Like, I definitely could have had sex with her if I wanted to, but like, you know, I didn't. And with Stasi, he's like, ah, no, it's like whatever. It was just like a whatever shoot. Like, what did he say to Stasi? He was, he's like, yeah, I told her, like there's, you know, only one girl for me. And, and she said, oh, that's so sweet. That's so sweet when the girl really was like,

why do you want to be with that girl? Like, I thought she's your ex girlfriend. It was just like, hmm, always two truths in a lie, two truths in a lie. Yeah, sounds like jacks. The secret to a great day, feeling confident from head to toe. That is why I'm beyond excited to tell you about Lumi whole body deodorant for pits, privates, and beyond. Lumi was created by an OB-GYN who discovered that the vagina is not

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Anyway, Christina picks it up and it goes over to Lisa, and they have this little conversation about not wanting Kristen back. Global blah. Shocking. Right, shocking. So, Flea Ling's mutual, Kristen doesn't want to go back and they don't want her back, but she's coming back anyway. The stothy comes up to ask Jacks to help her hang a picture, which is pretty laughable.

Considering what we know now about Jackson because Jackson from Michigan he should be able to like throw a nail and while hang some stuff up in the garage. But as Jackson's friend, I know that he has a handyman come over to him, Brittany's house now and hang up all their pictures. That's why it's extra funny. Yeah, it's funny, but hey, you know what? It's part of, yeah, I don't know. It's a very entertaining.

But Stasi comes up to him and asks him to hang the picture. Yada, Yada, Jack's tells her about the model. And here goes this, this fight. Well, yeah, and when he tells her though, she was like, oh, so like, how is your shoot? And he's like, oh, it was good. Did the shoot then went home? And as I was watching it, I mean, it's such a small little white lie, which was kind of what Jack's was known for back then, where these like dumb lies that kind of were for no reason. But I was like, didn't we just watch him go meet up with sand of all after the shoot? So like, why leave that out? Why not be like, yeah, I did the shoot, I met up with Tom. He's like, did the shoot went home? Did the shoot went home? Like, okay, well,

white lie number one. Yeah, I think I was nervousness at that point. It was like, this is not gonna go well no matter what. Just leave out all the bullshit. Right. Yeah, they get back to the alley, the famous alley, and have their conversation and Stasi's all pissed. I don't know if you want to comment on it. My favorite part about it was after Stasi walks away, Jackson's like, well, that went good.

That went good. Well, he's like, water under the bridge, and then in Stasi's confessional, she's like, water under the bridge. Like, I'll stuff your head into something drown you in that water under that bridge. But what I noticed, which is so random, because I've never noticed this before.

So the song's like, all the music, you know, the production company has to license, and they find really cool music, a lot of the time. But right in between these two scenes, whatever the song was that was playing, I always have my subtitles on, right? Because partially deaf sort of blind makes it all easier for me. And the lyrics to the song were, gave a girl a pill, take her back up to the hills. I was like, what the fuck? Somehow, this is just Somehow this was all normalcy, like 10 years ago. Things were just so different. You can tell by the way we're talking to camera,

the way that we talk to each other, we weren't scared of saying inappropriate things. And that song just, woo, it was weird. It was fucking weird. Not, you guys weren't scared at all, and I think that's what made this such a great show. Yeah, too shy, too shy. So then next you have Santa Ball and I at home drinking rum and lemonade. I was like, what is wrong with us? We're drinking rum and lemonade in the middle of the day. Right. Tom brought you flowers and bought a bunch of stuff for the apartment, trying to keep the

good vibes going. Oh, to be broke. I remember seeing that CB2 bag and I was like, hmm, we can't afford that. We can not afford CB2. If it says dollar store, cool. Otherwise, that shit's got to go back. I'm suspended. Oh, man.

Yeah, exactly. He did make a joke that everything, he said, he's like, I got to take everything back if you get fired. Right. So, put the sticker back on the cup. Yeah, exactly. So super quick scene, but Lisa suggested the other managers to bring Ariana over. Yeah, they say, we need a lady. We need a lady bartender.

And I remember this is where I would get really pissy and defensive too, because I'm like, hello, I was the first bartender ever at Sir when we had a liquor license. But now we just need a new lady bartender. AKA, we're going to bring Ariana in just to piss off Kristen and make more drama to make a good television show. That's what was really happening. But I couldn't see that with my very own eyes back then, which made for a better show.

And I guess Ariana and I have a very wild story to tell years and years from now about our friendship came to fruition. It is really odd and it's very hard for me to watch Ariana and I not get along, but I'm trying to look at everything through like a different lens and just say like this was the past, it was what it was. Maybe if we didn't have that we wouldn't have the friendship that we have now. I don't know, but it is really difficult

being like, but I love her. We're so close. I was just with her the other day at her dancing with the stars were hersel space and like hugging and crying and just it's so hard to watch us not get along. But here we is. Here you are. And Ariana says that basically everybody that works at Sarah's a complete basket case and tells Lisa that she's like, well, I mean, basically, she gets along with everyone, but Kristen does not like me, she says. And that I am super insecure and she's right. That's that.

I wouldn't have said it back then, but she was absolutely right. Of course, I was insecure. I have a hot blonde that's been friends with my boyfriend for most of our relationship. They work together. And I remember this memory came back to me that I don't think I've ever said before

because I didn't really know Ariana when they worked at Ville Blancou together. But I do remember the first time Tom made it awkward because Ariana had this was, I'm talking you guys like a trillion years ago. But I remember Ariana was bringing over wheat for tombs for some reason. Like, I don't know who she got it from.

And I was coming home from Sur, and he was like, oh yeah, Ariana is stopping by to bring this. And I was like, oh great, I'll be home in like five minutes. And by the time I got there, she was gone. And it was like, all right, Tom, well, you just made it 10 times more weird because if I were to have come home and like, hung out with the two of you for a few minutes, but hindsight.

I couldn't agree more. That's a fishy situation. I feel like most anybody would be uncomfortable with that. Looking back, it's so fishy on Tom, though. I'm seeing it through such a different lens when I watch the show now and the way that he looks at Ariana, the way that he talks about her, the way he talks to her. But when I look at her, I don't see the flirting being reciprocated at this point. She's just kind of who she is. Like, she doesn't seem that much different to me,

except she's a lot nicer now. Okay. I don't know, that's just what I'm seeing. Gotcha. All right. Well, Jack Stasi's apartment, Stasi's surprise, he came over to try to hang this picture. I say try it because he doesn't do anything.

It's a grabbing a broom and sweeping nothing. Act like he's doing something. I don't know. It's a layer of Disney choreography or something where it was just like sweep around, stand in the circle. What's happening right now? So Jack's now feels the need to talk about Ariana and sand of all fucking to Guillermo. Yeah.

But then he also says, I plead the fifth. That is typical Jack's Taylor back in the day. Light the match and walk away for a little bit of gas. Strike the match and then just go, I don't know. I plead the fifth. I don't know anything. Right. And so he tells tells to usy too and Stasi's like, what are you sure and of course she's like, is there any truth to this? It's Jackson lies about everything yada yada and

Here we go start the rumors Hence the name of the episode so then yeah and Stasi saying you know that she really likes Ariana but she's also like, the thing is, Jack's never has details. And that's what I would say, the best way to describe Jack's, especially back then, was either Jack's had no details, or he had far too many details, so you're like, well, which one's a lie? You know what I mean? And then you have Natalie and I, and in Wax Lisa,

there should have been some seriously like, bass drum, like, dramatic music for when Lisa walks in, like, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun for when Lisa walks in, like, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Like, Jumanji type shit. But it was weird watching that too, because it's like, you think that when you start working somewhere in Luke and I've talked about this so many times, because we were both in the restaurant industry, that it's just like another serving bartending job.

And then I say that, like, but sir, it's like part of who you are. It's almost like Coltie, like, commune. It used to be back then. We were like, you're not welcome here. Okay, we like her. She can work here. This is my whole life here.

Literally thought I would be buried beneath the floorboards or beneath the concrete in the back alley, 100%. Well, thank God you won't. Yeah. And then Lisa asked me about Ariana and with complete bullshit enthusiasm. I'm like, we're great. We're great. I love Ariana. Like somebody took her antidepressants today, Kristen. What the fuck?

I'm so full of shit in that moment. I'm like, no, I love her. I think she is no, we're so great. No, we're not. No, clearly, clearly, Sheena and Ariana have a little conversation about Kristen now. Yeah, so they go out to dinner together, and I remember being so irritated because even when I didn't like Ariana, this was like one of my favorite looks. She ever had unbanner plump rules. I thought she looked so fucking cool. She was dressed like me, and she looked looked so hot and then you have her damn

infamous line. Smarter than you, I'm prettier than you, or I'm cooler than you, I'm smarter than you, I'm prettier than you. Get the fuck over it and move on with your life. It's such a good line, I wish it were mine. It was good. I mean, it made me so mad. She looks hot, she's being witty.

She's talking shit about me. I'm really angry. I'd imagine when you watched that for the first time, after you recorded it and it's coming out, yeah, I wouldn't feel very good watching that. And I didn't like, and this is nothing against Ari now, obviously, and I know it's something she regrets. But Luke, this will be something that you'll see a lot,

but she and Tom saying that I had bipolar, that I was schizophrenic at one time, that I had like borderline personality disorder, like they would say all the craziest shit. And it was like, no, I'm being gass lit. My boyfriend's a cheating asshole. I'm miserable. And I'm not in therapy yet. Fair, fair.

And you definitely, you certainly live your feelings. That's something that won't change about you and how you're feeling is kind of what determines what mood you're in completely. Like there's no shutting it down. Yeah. How you're feeling is what you're gonna get. So you're saying that you see some parallel lines here?

Some, yes, obviously, then dull down now. And it's also, babe, I gotta tell you, like watching this, I know it's you, but you don't look like you now. I think you're so much hotter now. And, it's not as hard as I thought it was gonna be to watch. Really? Because I feel like I'm looking at you

as a different person then. I mean, I like that, thank you. I definitely am a different person than I was back then. It was still me, but I just was very lost and not aware of how to handle my feelings. Still kind of figure that out from time to time, but I just didn't have any tools in that moment. And I honestly didn't have really an ounce of self respect, and definitely not a ounce of self respect. And definitely not a lot of self-esteem, as you can tell. That's fair.

I mean, I feel like self-esteem is going to drain off pretty fast, staying with someone that someone likes sand-evol after cheating. Yeah. That's, I don't know. Anyway, let's move on. So sand-evol and Ariana at work, Sandy's teaching or training Ariana behind the bar, they're clearly flirting. I don't know. This seems so obvious from the start. It really does watching back, but this is kind of what I was saying earlier. Like, when

I was watching it, and maybe now I am looking at it with the lens of like knowing Ariana as well as I know her now, loving her so much, and also not seeing any change in Tom's hand of all over the last 10 years, clearly. But when I'm watching it, I'm just seeing so much more, like you can tell he wants to pounce on her. Like he is like batting his eyes, like puppy dog love eyes, like not like I want to fuck you eyes, like I want to be with this person, you know, but I didn't get the same vibe from her in that moment. Yeah. Well, she's clearly, I don't know, I can see it that she definitely is in duolm. She's attracted to him. Yeah. Maybe she's not like, maybe she is kind of respecting the line, but kind of doesn't seem so the way she talks about you. I don't know. It looks

like it's going both ways. Any who that scene kind of ends and Stasi becomes all worried for Kristen and decides she wants to go get the truth out of Sheena about this rumor. Also during the scene, I was so flipping distracted by the statement, Nucleusus. It's so hard to look at my friends, these girls, like look at their eyes while they're talking when I'm watching this back

because I just see these giant fucking statement, Nucleususaces that like take over their whole body. What were we thinking? I guess that was in that thing. I don't know. Okay, I guess so. It's a lot. So yeah, Sasi and Shina end up, they go talk and Shina is very much says Ariana is my best friend. She would tell me if it happened. I got to, I guess, back up two seconds, Kristen. Ariana, is it a lie or not when she says she has never slept with him at this point? You know, I think it's something that will just, will all just die not really knowing and I don't think it matters truly.

I mean, I'll say, I'll say, as of, you know, Tom and Ariana's breakup this past year, that's when, well, if you remember, Luke, when we were recapping last season, Shina really found out for the first time on camera that the rumors were true about the two of them beforehand or whatever, right? But I think they're gonna always kind of stick to the whole week-kissed ones, which I don't know that even at this point for a fact. That'll come out later. But as far as if they had slept together or were sleeping together before we broke up,

I think that's just something that's like, who cares? Yeah, I see it. Yeah, so yeah, Sheena says, absolutely not. Ariana would tell me if it did happen. And isn't it during this conversation that you walk by the alley leaving? And Stasi makes a comment,

if you brought this cheating whore into this restaurant, shit is going to hit the fan. Mm-hmm. And yeah, and so like. That's a good line, saucy's good for those. She's really good at those one liners. Yeah, but basically it's just, you know, and then you have Christina Kelly and me,

Stossi Katie, the next day at lunch or brunch or whatever. And again, it was, I just, so I'm annoyed with myself in these scenes because I'm just sitting here going, like standing up for him. We're great now. Let us be great for this week. Like let me just enjoy my relationship right now,

even if it means we're gonna fight next week. I just need this right now. That's so fucking sad. It's really sad because if any of my friends were going through that, I would just have to like stick by them, be there for them and hope for the best, which I always did.

I agree. And, and your friends are really, they really are trying to be good friends to you. Like they can't just sit by. They're trying their hardest to be good friends to you. And you obviously don't want to hear it. You just don't want to hear it. You guys get in this fight and you get up and leave. That's how the episode ends.

And Katie says, and Christine is like, why is she running away? And Katie says because she knows we're right. Katie, right? Which in the back, yeah, say in the back of your mind, you know that's just. That's why, yeah, I just didn't want to hear it. Okay.

Yeah. I'm sweating. My palms are sweating. Okay, next episode, boom. Next episode, episode five, sir Lesk. Guillermo's birthday, burlesque surprise. Oh my goodness gracious. I remember those burlesque lessons we used to have.

I wish to God if I could find like an old computer and pull those pictures and those videos back up. I'm gonna have to try a little harder. I thought it was really weird watching this episode in the beginning though, because you have like Marina, Karina, Sampdhanina, all all the girls there and they're like showing different outfit options. And Lisa comes in and when the girls just have their boobs out with the nipple tassels on Natalie's like, okay, that's, that's a little much.

We need to cover up a bit. And Lisa kind of gives Natalie ship for that. Like, dude, that's her husband. Like what? Like, of course Natalie doesn't want just like, this isn't a strip club, like, I know it's burlesque, but she doesn't want Katie and Stasi walking around with their tits out, like, it's a little much.

I just thought it was super fucking odd. Like, go Natalie. I agree. Right, Lisa pushing it and saying, I don't care what you do as long as you have fun. And I don't know, pushing for that, I definitely side with the modesty with the girls being like, no, I'm not going

to do that. Natalie is French and she's European and Geermost Margentina, they're definitely more free about clothing and nudity and topless and all of that, but she's still like, this is the restaurant that my husband and I own together. We're throwing my husband's surprise birthday right. My husband, my husband, my husband. So we already have cute bootyies sticking out and like really cool decor and burlesque and sexiness, I don't need boobs in this face. Thanks. Makes perfect sense to me.

So something funny. I wrote down about the scene. It's kind of, well, I called the pasties or tassels up, wrote down nipple stickers for some reason. I thought that was kind of hilarious. They kind of are. People have nipple stickers on. Yeah. They kind of are nipple stickers, to be honest. That's pretty much it. So funny. Okay, so go to Kristen's apartment, Stasi comes over doing the passport glam conversation.

Yeah, oh really quick. I just want, there's a tiny little thing I wanted to do a little shout out when you see Ariana and Shina right before this. It's a super fast scene, not exciting. But we have a little Matt Kutshal cameo everybody. If you guys follow Matt Kutshal on Instagram, you probably used to follow him on Vine,

but he worked at Sir when he was still becoming a famous Viner. Check out he was not dead. Shout out Matt Kutshal. So yes, now we're doing passport photos, which I think is so funny because mine just expired. So I know for a fact that this was in June of 2013 that we shot this scene Ten years ago. Yeah, you still need to get that day. I know that was my very first passport at age 30 shorts, and I want to go to

I want to go to Mexico this winter. Same. All right. I got to get all that all right So they're you know talking about all this passport glam stuff and jacks calls says he's at the hospital And you know, talking about all this passport, glam stuff, and Jack's calls says he's at the hospital. Got a lump in his chest. Does he have breast cancer? We don't know yet. Right. Do you think he has breast cancer?

No. Yeah. Absolutely not. I don't think any of us did think that, but, you know, I will say, as we get to the end of this episode, Jack's was definitely a little scared. Like he likes to kind of pretend that he's not when he is, and then he seeks sympathy during almost anything,

like from Stasi at this point. But as the episode progresses, you can tell that he's like, I mean, I've been making these dumb jokes about it kind of I, but you could tell he was kind of a little nervous. You don't go to the hospital when you're broke and you don't have insurance unless you're a little nervous for real.

Totally, and you see that later on when we get to the party, you can see in his face, he's genuinely concerned. Yeah. So now let's go cake shopping. She and her eggs. She's wearing like shiny black leggings and ugs in LA in the summer that had opened the fashion back then. Maybe it was just she and a fashion, but I hope. I didn't notice, but I do remember the era, I guess, which I guess was 10 years ago,

that all the women wanted to have their hugs. Like, wearing their hugs was a fashion statement, you know. I never got into the hugged trend. Never did. No hugs, no crocs for me. Hey, crocs are still rocking. I don't know about the hugs, but I know crocs are still rocking. I hate crocs, I hate your crocs, I hate all crocs.

I hate my crocs. You wear them sometimes. So yeah, she and her make sure comments about wedding cakes and Lisa's like, don't do it, you're gonna jinx it, you don't have a ring yet, don't be looking for wedding cakes. How do you look at wedding cakes when you're just like, well, I'm a boyfriend, but I'm gonna look at wedding cakes. I feel like it's one thing when girls are like, oh, dress what I want to wear, especially when we're younger.

Like, what do I want my ring to look like? I've never once thought about a fucking wedding cake ever. I guess that's good. I mean, I think it's also because I don't like cake. I know that, well, you don't like egg and egg. Yeah, exactly. That's why it's not going to be a big concern to you. It doesn't need to be a big cake.

It can be cupcakes and they can have a little, I don't know, I don't even know if we need one. We'll see. Maybe we do crispy creams to honor your sister. Maybe. Oh, speaking of my sister, the next scene is Tom and Ariana at this vintage store on Melrose. And oh, my god, I remember this day.

My sister and her husband, David, were in town visiting. And Tom and I had filmed something at the apartment right before that that didn't air about him telling me that he was going shopping with Ariana and of course I threw a fucking fit. In production would not let my sister film with us. I don't know why. It was so stupid but they basically had her and her husband, my brother-in-law David, hiding in the guest room while Tom and I are like screaming at each other and then he went to go film this scene and I was like, that, that. I'm going to San Diego with my sister.

If you want to go to the vintage store with Ariana. Oh geez. Okay, so that makes sense to me. And I'm glad you added that for all the listeners because I'm like, okay, how one, later in the episode, you don't even comment on them doing it. Like they could left you out of the whole equation of the two of them in this shopping situation,

which I felt like was a little weird. I mean, it's super weird to begin with, just the two of them going shopping together in their friends. Well, like, cause what were they shopping for? it's super weird to begin with, just the two of them going shopping together. We're like, because what's friends? Yeah, because what were they shopping for? It's not like, oh, we have this thing. We need to go grab stuff for like this party

or we're throwing this event or whatever it is. But that's, so that's the thing. No, not absolutely. That illustrates more what you said as far as Ariana being brought in to torture you or to like create more drama. It's like, okay, sand of all. Once you go shop with this hot young blonde, and you guys just like flirt on camera for

an hour. Let's go do that and see what comes of that. Totally. Just do your job. Oh geez. And Tom's line at the end though, he says, I just really don't want to screw things up because things are good with Kristen right now. And I put LOL because you went and did this shoot with Ariana, like you have a choice, man, you don't you could have been like, uh, no, that's disrespectful to Kristen. I'm not going to go do this shoot with Ariana right now. Yeah, but he was obviously very in love with her and wasn't willing to just say at this point, like Kristen, I don't want to

be with you. This is who I want to be with, whether she wants to be with me or not. I don't know, but you know, like as adults, the conversations that should be had. He was like, oh, we'll just stick it out and I'll just do what I want to do on the side. That was kind of what my Tom's relationship always was. Make sense. I mean, that's just so weird to me.

I guess it takes some balls or courage to actually break up with somebody that you've been with for a while because you're doing something wrong versus to just act like it's not happening and continue to do things that will hurt them. I mean, well, yeah, because in hindsight, Tom and I, I've said this a million times at Tom and I should have broken up after like year two rather than almost year six. But like, why didn't I break up with him when he first cheated on me or when, you know,

we weren't getting along because I don't know, it's just what we did back then. It was like, well, we share a phone bill in a DVR box and cheap rent. We're just roommates. Why mess it up? It's easy. It wasn't easy. It's so weird. Exactly. It is. We go to Jackson's apartment and Stasi shows up with a no more supplements cake. And then it just goes straight to work, goes to the kitchen and dumps out everything. Like those are things that Jack's actually used to pay for, I'm pretty sure. That's a lot of money.

Like they used to take, I remember like protein powder, no explode, creatine. And then there was this one like skinny, what like this one pill thing that made you really skinny and I can't remember the name of it. Probably a fat burner or something. Yeah, it was like a shredding supplement, but they would take everything under the sun

in these boys. I mean, don't get me wrong. I took supplements in college when I was like bulking up, but it was the simple creatine, protein, and that was it. There was another version of protein called casing. You take it night. That's like a slower release. And that was it. Protein, creatine, and that was it. There was another version of protein called casing. You take it night, that's like a slower release, and that was it. Protein, creatine, and facing.

Do you think guys still take all this stuff or was that like a trend that happened in the 2000s? No, GNC is still in business, so people are still buying all that stuff. I just didn't know if this was more of like a thing we did back then or like, is it because we're older that we're not taking all this crap anymore? That's what it is.

We're older, weird. But the kiddos are still doing it. Exactly. Okay. Well guys, don't do it. You don't want to get a lump under your chest or actually the crazy person. Right. Oh, this point, I'm just getting exhausted with the Stasi and Jack's fighting.

I just, I mean, it's kind of what I wrote down. It was like they're fighting again, blah, blah. Are you more exhausted by Stasi and Jack's kind of what I wrote down. It was like, they're fighting again blah blah. Are you more exhausted by Stossian Jax or Tom and I? Stossian Jax, because we just did a whole season of it. And it's like, and it's just like every other scene right now in this episode, I'm like, okay, they're fighting again. Okay, they're fighting again. I was kind of like, let's move on to the next thing.

Right, right. Okay, well, the next thing we have Stossian Katie hanging out and trying on shoes and figuring out you know this burlesque thing and I love the scene and the part where Katie is like putting maxi pads in her shoes to stop from slipping and to soak up the sweat and I totally forgot that we used to do that. And Stasi was like yeah I used to put you know tampons up my nose to make my nose stop bleeding and I was, we did do that too.

Oh my God, were you just idiots? These things probably weren't Googleable back then. I mean, it works. Yeah, I don't know. I think she actually said it when her nose was running and said, because I wrote that down. And so I thought that was weird. I've heard of it for nose bleeds,

but if your nose is just running, like below your nose, don't shove a tampon up there. No, come on. Oh geez. We were so smart. Well, okay, so we got to Tom's house. Jack shows up and Schwartz is cooking saying he's gonna do all these healthy things for him and Jack says he has cancer. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I got cancer. Well, the funny part is immediately like the Tom's are like, well, I get your bikes. I get the TV. They started like claiming stuff

instead of being like, oh, no, dude, you okay? It's like they're calling bullshit immediately. I'm like, no, I get this, I get this. Not that he had a whole lot of possessions at that time. And say like you should milk this, you should milk this with Stasi for all its worth. Like get all, you know, get all the attention. Yeah, they don't believe a single word out of Jackson's mouth right now, so they're just like, what up.

No, that's clear they know him well enough. Totally. Okay, back to Sir, Danny's spreading the rumors now. Good old Danielle. Oh my gosh, Daniel, I do. First class here. I do know Danny. Danny and Maddie are supposed to work at Sir. That's how we got Lala because Lala has known Danny almost her whole life. I think from Utah. And it was just so funny. I'm like, I don't

remember this part very well. I do know that I've watched it, but I don't remember Danielle being such an integral part of the rumor veil or just noticing the sparks between Tom and Ariana. So it was like so interesting to look back because Danny and I were friends, but clearly I just take everything out on her. And I'm like, you're just starting rumors and you don't know what you're talking about. And just oh yeah, that happens at the party, which we're about to start. Yes. When the real fight goes down, this is just the start of the spreading rumors.

Right. And you actually like defend that they're just rumors with Tom being like, yeah, what, you can just say anybody's sleeping with anybody. You're like, so okay, if Tom's sleeping with Ariana and whoever else, that means I'm sleeping with Jacks and Peter and blah, blah, blah. You said these names, that was interesting.

Oh, God. I know. You said that. I know only because I know what's coming. I've never slept with Peter. You guys, I've never slept with Peter. Or Tom Schwartz. Let me just get, make that very clear.

Okay. Make it clear. So let's get to the party, right? So we get to the party. Guillermo hates surprises. But I wanted to just quickly talk about the normalcy it was, of like the normalcy of us stressing up. Because we would have pride, we would have these crazy parties.

They would hire like makeup artists, we'd have costumes. I mean, you'd see like our uniforms at some point were sort of like costumes. So this was just so normal, and it was so much fun. It was like, oh, going a little bit early and getting your face spray painted,

and we're not really working, but we're getting paid to work. It's amazing. Yeah, I mean, it looks like fun to me. I honestly really hated the face paint. The look, the makeup mask that they put on them, put on all your girls, I hated it. But it was, I don't know.

It's a part of the costume. But it will say that something that made me really emotional in this, I actually started like tearing up was when Natalie gave Guillermo the key to his new Mercedes. And Lisa comments on that Guillermo really having the American dream. And oh, see, I can let him get getting emotional right now. Because I met Guillermo in Natalie in 2007 when I first started working at Sir, I think Lisa and Ken had only been a part of the restaurant for about a year.

And I was so close with Guillermo Natalie. I helped throw Natalie's second baby shower, which is just absolutely wild. I remember when her first daughter Mia, who was born in 2005, was just like a little toddler. And now she's graduated from high school. But I do remember Guillermo telling me the story about how he came over from Argentina

with dollars in his pocket and was a dishwasher at a restaurant called Cynthia's and then he became a bus, he was a dishwasher, a bus boy, a food runner, a server, eventually became the manager. And then when he opened Sur, he brought the chef over, Joe Jose, who we always called Papa, and the rest is just Sur History, but just to think coming over from Argentina with nothing in your pocket and working your way up all the way to being the co-owner of one

of the hottest, most successful restaurants in all of Los Angeles. So, yeah, it's incredible. It is, that is the American dream, and I do think it's still alive. I'm plenty of people will say, next generation can't, won't be able to do anything, but there are people still doing it. It's still, the American Dream still lives. I gotta say, it's all about hard work. You gotta work hard. Yeah, hard work, chase your dreams. They're not gonna chase you back. So I just wanted to give a little congratulations and let everyone know what that little backstory looked like because I just think it's really beautiful. And I'm just so proud

of being so close to a couple who when Guillermo started just had nothing and they deserve all the success. So anyway, that's just my two cents. Get emotional. But now back to the drums, back to the drums. Yes, so tell me what you thought of Stasi and Katie's dance. I thought it was...

I thought it was perfectly tasteful. I thought it took a lot of fucking balls and I think they looked really hot. I thought it was... I thought it was perfectly tasteful. I thought it took a lot of fucking balls, and I think they looked really hot. I thought it was exactly what it should have been. Okay, well, I don't feel like they showed it. I mean, they showed like a couple close-ups. They didn't show the dance that much. Well, what was it like?

It wasn't a dance. It was like a little shimmy shape. Freakin'. Yeah. How odd is it to be like in no clothes, like dancing for your boss and his wife? It's fucking weird. It was more like they were wearing a one piece bathing suit and holding a flower fan.

Not flower, sorry, feather fan. I mean, that's what it looked like to me. Definitely not no clothes like a one piece bathing suit. Well, their butt was hanging out. They're in a corset and I don't know. I think they did a fantastic job. Okay. I could tell the cops.

I mean, the way they cut it. So I won't know. I think they did a fantastic job. Okay. I could follow the calls. I mean, the way they cut it. So I won't ask you. Okay. Then we end this episode with the whole Jack's generally being worried about this lump in his chest. And Lisa talked to him about it. Stasi and Jack's go back to the alley and Stasi apologizes. And whether it's true or not, he said the dot call and said that they can't rule out cancer. Correct. And this is where Stasi says like, I I know Inject's lying and I know Inject's is scared

and this is scared, Jack's. And you could tell, though, it was a shift in his demeanor because he wasn't trying to get her attention anymore. He was just kind of like, if you're going to be nice to me, be nice to me and if you're not, then just leave me alone. Like that's when Jack shuts down, which I totally understand. And the very last thing he says is he just doesn't want Stasi anymore.

He's over it. Like at this point, the way he came, when he was genuinely scared, he came to the apartment and does nothing but talk shit to him, throws away all this stuff. And he's like, I'm done. Done with her, just being a bitch to me. Why am I still chasing this? You know, I get it.

You got to give up at some point. If that's what you're going after. I mean, to be fair, those Stasi kind of told them to give up a bunch of times. I see both sides now as a viewer, but like even living it back then, like Stasi had never once said to him, like, well, try hard or prove it to me. Like she said that when they were dating, but. Right. Hey, I'm still going to say she shouldn't have given him that kiss. If she truly, she should not have given him that kiss. I'm 100% with that because that, how that affects somebody. Imagine if roles were reversed.

You have a guy you're fawning over. I don't remember the name of the chapter in your book, but I know, remember the guy you told me about. Anyway, if- Oh, the Holy Grail. The Holy Grail. Your Holy Grail, which is what's going on here, gives you this kiss because you asked for it after like a kind of an intimate thing. You did something grand for them like the tattoo or whatever.

Oh for sure. And it gives you this kiss. It's your hope not going to be like through the roof and like completely reinspired. It's like again, like so you're saying there's a chance. Totally. So it's like, I don't know, regardless, Josh doesn't want Stasi and that's the end of the episode. Do you think he means it?

I think he's, well, they showed next time, they showed him kissing a girl and being pride again. And I think he's going to go explore a little bit and he's going to come back, falling over her still. That's my prediction. I think you're going to be right on that one. The thing is, it was like,

if Stasi gave him the time of day back then, he was going to take it and run with it. And if she didn't, it made him crazy also. So I think for a while, there was kind of like no right answer, like if she was like, forget it. Yeah, I don't want to be with you. And she dated someone else. That was going to make him crazy too.

And then he would just date people almost to get back at her. But I think we are kind of getting ready to like close that chapter. Yeah. Well, toxic relationships make Bravo TV. That's true. That's the truth of it. That is the theme of Vanderpump rules season two, for sure. Yeah, more toxic, the better.

Okay, well, this one wasn't super fun, but it's about to get even worse as time goes on, but I'm glad that this is not affecting you in real life. And you're able to watch this as a TV show. Yeah, I still get some feelings. Like I can feel it. I don't like it when people are being super mean to you and some of the really aggressive hateful things they say. Obviously, I don't like hearing that.

But at least I can see you in some of your actions and things like your different person in this era. Do you think it was deserved the way that my friends treated me? I think your real friends, Katie and Stasi at this point, are really trying their best. They don't know how to navigate. I don't know how I wouldn't navigate if I had a friend acting the way you were at that point.

It's very tough because you don't want to take your side. Sorry, you're wrong. This is not going to work out with this guy. Let's move on. But same time, they constantly bring it up. You know, the rumors and stuff going around. How can you stand to be around them? It's like, okay, let's just not talk about it.

It would be my stance to be like, you know my stance on it. I wouldn't keep repeating it and say, if you want to make changes, then fine. You're doing you, it's your life, but I can't support it. Yeah, and that's where it gets kind of complicated, you know? Yeah. How do you be friends? How do you maintain a best friendship with people or, you know, them with me that

you can't be fully honest with? It's a double-edged sword. I see, I see all sides. You be fully honest at one point and say, that stance is not going to change. Like I would prefer you talk to someone else about it unless you want to hear me repeat myself Because that's my stance, but I still love you. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, we will see next week What's to come, you know? All right guys? We will see you on Wednesday I can't wait for sex love. What else matters and again every Friday We'll be back next week with two more episodes from season two VPR from the start Have a good weekend Make sure to follow us on social media PR for the start. Have a good weekend. Boop boop.

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