Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Welcome to the Valley

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

Episode 86. It’s here! Kristen and Luke can FINALLY talk about their new show on Bravo, “The Valley." They’ve been keeping this secret for months (for Kirsten, more like years!). They discuss the trailer and read their bios from the press release. Kristen talks about her “pinch me” moment and about when she knew she wanted to be a mom. Next, they talk about a podcast they recently heard about that dives into more alleged secrets about the Scandoval story. Does it ever end? Tune in now to hear all this and more! Sponsors: Get 20% off your first 90-day bottle of Just Calm and Just Thrive Probiotic today. Visit JustThriveHealth.com and use promo code: DOUTE Go to Addyi.com and use code DOUTE for a $10 telemedicine appointment Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to another episode of Sex Love and What Else Matters. Hi honey. Hi honey. We just got back from Palms Sporting Skies. I have to apologize for my crappy voice because my allergies are out of effing control. I can't breathe, I can't hear myself, Luke has me turned up, hopefully I'm not screaming. You know when you have bad allergies or like sinus infection and it just sounds like you're screaming to yourself?

Yeah. And guys, I'm not going to apologize for this. Dogs are drinking water. They're chewing on their little chicken treat bone stick situations because it's the only way to shut them up. The second we started a podcast when we're at home and we're not in the studio, they're like, what can we do to need attention right now? There's like crying and barking and chewing and squeaking and things.

Jill, and Jill, she's just drinking because she finished her treat already. She's like, I need some water, but we do have a lot to talk about, babe. We do. This is in one second. Yeah, here in just a second. All set, Jill? The Valley announcement, fine, a fucking leaf. They announced the show. We've been teasing and grinding our teeth, trying not to talk about four months now. Months. So here it is. If you haven't seen the trailer, it's on my page. It's on Bravo's page. It's all over the damn place.

So we have a new show coming out. It's called The Valley. It's been referred to as a spin-off of Vanderpump Rules. I would like to think of it as its own original show with three members of a previous cast. With three Vanderpump Rules alumni. Yes, it is a new show. It's very much a new show.

It's not about Vanderpump Rules. It's not about working at a restaurant. I mean, completely. I'm on the show. I don't know. Right. I mean, like, if Lisa walked up to me, I would recognize her, but there's never been any interaction there before. So it's like she and I have nothing to do with each other. But yeah, we're we're fucking stoked, you guys.

We're really excited. We've been working so hard on this show for so long. And when I say that, what I mean is, yes, filming, I'm sure most of you, or maybe if you haven't heard any of the cast members and I from Vanderpump talked about it before, but we film for a few months usually, then there's a lot of post-production. We have those like interview, bobblehead, like confessional bites we do. And then obviously all the editing that goes involved into creating a television show, right? We're not live. It's not like you're just watching us on InstaLive. But I'll just say prior to that, we've really,

I'll say, Jack's, Brittany and I have really been working on the show for like a year and a half. More than that. You said a year and a half a year ago. That's probably right. So, like, you're right. Like, probably two plus years. We've been talking about the show. And trying to get it going. Yeah. So, I want to give mad kudos to Jack's and Brittany for having this idea. I mean, it was an idea we all talked about many, many years ago. The pandemic happened. Nothing ever came from it. And. And Jackson Britt came back to the table and said, you know, this is something we'd really like to do.

And they were the brains that brought this to the forefront and brought it to the producers and said, like, let's give us a whirl. And the casting was also like, as far as, who are your real friends? Like, who are people you know? We're not calling a casting producer, a casting director and saying,

oh, who wants to be on a show called The Valley? Like there's this other show in France that I heard about that they were doing that. So that's not our show. No, we all know each other before this. Granted, I personally didn't know everyone very well prior, but hey, you'll have to watch and find out. So we won't give away too much about who Luke knew or like what our relationships

are like. You guys, there are bios out. You can read this will be explained when the show is like firmly, it's been announced, but when it's firmly out and about and like there's an actual trailer, you're going to know everything. But let's talk about the teaser, the teaser that everyone got to see. Yeah, it's an awesome little video. But let's talk about the teaser, the teaser that everyone got to see. Yeah, it's an awesome little video. I think it's so fucking fun.

And I'm reading more love than I am haters. But I think it was such a blast. I actually really liked the concept of it. And what I'm wondering is if some of y'all didn't get the concept. It's like a block party. Exactly. It's we don't all live on the same block, but it essentially we all live in the valley relatively close to each other and we all hang out and party. Exactly. It's, we don't all live on the same block, but it essentially, we all live in the valley relatively close to each other and we all hang out. And no, we're not going to be in like flannels and jeans and well, let's talk about me, leggings and a t-shirt. Not super hot when you're

like doing this high, financially expensive, amazing, really cool video for a promo on an amazing network. It's like we're not gonna be in no makeup. Wait, what are you talking about? You know I put on that blue suit every time I take out the recycling. That's just what I do. That's true. The blue suit is for recycling.

It's like the blue bags. It's just what I do. It is what you do. It's really hot. I mean, who doesn't put on a five piece suit to take out the trash? And when you want the dogs, you're in a robe. And the dogs get a robe, exactly.

The trash gets a five-piece suit. 100%. So fucking three pieces. Recycling. It's three pieces. Why is it five pieces? I don't know. I just thought that's what it was called.

Oh, a three-piece suit. You're cute. But it did have like, you had the vest, the suit. You did have a tie. Did you have a tie on? No. No, never mind. We fucked with a lot of different options also, you guys.

So we love the way that it looks. To those of you who are asking, why are you wearing high fashion? Why do you look like you're going to prom? Because we're still living in LA. Hello. We haven't lost our sparkle. I honestly, babe, I just don't even acknowledge

a lot of those comments. I know, I do. I'd release passman, don't even realize they were there because they just don't make sense. Like if they're dedicated, they're fans obviously because they're listening. They saw this, they're watching. Do they really want to see people come out in sweats or a robe or just like no glam my hair lines in my face from the pillow and no like. And let's talk about that actually great point because on season 10 of Van der

Pump rules I did one little tiny part of an episode where I went to Ariana's house and I wore leggings a sports bra a sweater not very much makeup and a pair of slides and how much fucking hate did I get for wearing my cute little Nike slides a lot but, but they're like, oh, she didn't even try to get dressed for this. I mean, God, well, now we're dressed to the nines and we're like, yo, we have a new show, Hala. And everyone's like, why aren't they dressed like they're going to prom? Why don't you guys just try to be positive Pauly's for 2024? Look, my guess is the people making those comments aren't listening to this podcast. So let's, let's like breeze past that and move on.

You're right. So that's how I felt. I think we look so cute, Luke. We look like us and we look happy and that's what we are. And not everyone looks super happy. No, it's so funny. I paused it a couple of times and be like, look at Jason's face. Look at Jesse's face.

There's like some stank, some stank faces coming from the men I'm just happy to be here. I just my life's a freaking roller coaster I don't even know what's coming two years ago No one could have no one could have convinced me that I'd be right here right now two years ago. No way I would be like, ah, you're full of shit. Not a chance. No way. Do you even know me? Right? And here we are. Here we are taking a shot at adulting. Taking a shot at adulting.

Guys, we didn't write that. We didn't write that tagline, but I think it's really cute. It's fun. It's a play on words because Vanderpump, sir, bartenders, ex bartenders and servers, shots, get it, need I explain it to you.

But let's talk about something else that was really cool about that shoot. It's something so different than I've ever gotten to do on my time on Bravo and working with Bravo and NBC Universal. Normally we would shoot at things at sir. At one point we stepped it up to a studio. We shot this on the Universal lot. We were in Universal, like deep in Universal with all the sets and everything. It was amazing. It's the Nightmare on Elm Street,

Street that we shot our block party. I have not seen that movie in so many years, so I didn't recognize it at the time, but that is crazy. Isn't that wild? That's super cool. I had it in my notes and you're like, I'm on Elm Street, what is that about?

So I remember being on set and talking to the different drivers that we had taking us from like hair and makeup at a studio like up to where we were shooting, right? And being like, is this the Desperate Housewives one? Because I've done the tram ride at Universal, I've been there a million times, it's 10 minutes away from the house, if that, right?

And I was talking to Brittany about it the other day and I said, wait, where do we shoot this again? Was it desperate housewives? And she goes, no, it was a nightmare on Elm Street. That is fucking rad. That's so cool. That's a damn piece of history. That makes me want to watch that tonight. Do you want to do that? Sure. No, you'll have nightmares. Yeah, I'll be fine. It's not scary anymore. It'll be all right. I'll wake you up when you're screaming in your sleep.

I'll go underneath. I'll go underneath the covers and yank your feet down. You guys have to pinch your butt. Idiot. But I just think that's like so fucking cool. And it's something me 15 years ago, prior to being on reality television, or let's say 17 years ago before I even moved to LA, if you were to tell me that I would be on reality television

and that I would eventually get to shoot in the universal lot and having people like cater to me being like the son of a Tuncheon and like, I'm not wearing them straight, I don't know. It's these kind of fucking moments that you're like, I can't wait to tell my grandkids. I agree, we gotta get kids first though. Okay, fair.

I'm not even thinking about grandkids yet. I'm just saying, it's like stories you can't wait to pass down to people that you're like, that was pretty cool. Yeah, it's badass. It's not beyond me or above me to think like that's really fucking cool. Is it egotistical or like narcissistic of me that I have thought for years now that I'm going to write not a biography and people are gonna read it someday. No, I don't think at all.

You don't think so? I think that's like cool and confident because you do have a really cool life. Let's take all this show bullshit aside. You thought that pre-show. I didn't think that pre-show. Because you do have a really cool life and you have really cool stories to tell.

I think that I've led a really cool life and I have wild stories to tell. Hence why I wrote a fucking book. I don't think I'm any of those things. I think a lot of our listeners, the reason they relate to us, because they probably lead, you guys probably lead really cool lives

and have wild stories. Like they could be the most basic Monday in life to a lot of people, but when you have adventures and journeys and crazy stories about someone you met at the story, but you know? Yeah. It's pretty cool. Totally. And even just the dumb jokes that make you laugh till you piss yourself.

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Think not closer to summer earlier than that. You'll be able to know a lot more about this. And what I'm excited for Luke and I, wait, let's, I want to read our bio because I am excited about our dogs because this is who we are. Yeah. We don't have the Bay Bay's yet, but we have three dogs. Here's a little tidbit. In my interview bites, which are, you know,

those confessional moments, I've been asked like, who is Jill? I'm like, oh God, I cannot wait. Let me tell you about Jill the German Shepherd. And those are the times in that interview chair where I'm elated. My face brightens up, I feel pure joy. I don't care if I'm cold if I'm hot if I'm thirsty

If my butt goes numb because I've been sitting for too many hours. I'm like Jill. Oh, you want to talk about Gibson? Oh, here we go So that shows you what kind of parent I'm gonna be one day Jill is a boss bitch And I can say that I don't usually say bitch, but you know, she's a female dog and she's a boss So are you a boss. So, Jill, are you a boss bitch? She didn't acknowledge me. Anyway, moving forward. Oh, I wanted to read our bio. Oh yeah, let's get the bios. Do you want to read it?

I'll read it. Okay. So, it starts with... This is, yeah, our bio and the press release, everything. Yada yada. After her last breakup, Kristen came to the realization that she was ready to have a baby and as life would have it That's when she met Luke at a wedding in Colorado. Okay, let's stop there I do a I love you know shout out to bravo NBC you're the best and all that good stuff But I was ready to have a baby and as life would happen. I met Luke Well, thank god you walked into my life right when I was ready to have a baby as life would have it. I met Luke. Well, thank God you walked into my life right when I was ready to have a baby. Like, hey, my swimmer swim. Let's do this. Right?

Yeah, it's not exactly how it went. Just, I don't know. I feel like the need to explain that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, just, we'll wait. The time will come to explain more about all of that. Well, so that's when Luke or Kristen met me at a wedding in Colorado. I'm an outdoorsman who enjoys fishing and hunting in the Rocky Mountains, which is true. Luke is no fan of the hustle and bustle of Hollywood, but has chosen to reside in the valley to be with Kristen. Those are very true. So, so everyone knows and I think everyone does. I still am in Colorado a lot. That's where I own property. I go back and forth for the summer and I'm here as much as I'm in Colorado nowadays. Moving forward, this do us a lot to juggle,

including starting a family, caring for three dogs, running multiple businesses and not to mention figuring out which state they want to call home. Hashtag the valley. I like this bio for the most part. It is, the only part that I am not in love with is like, it's like you just chose me to be like, put a baby in me. I don't even know you yet. Totally. That's what it sounds like. I agree with you on that. And luckily for those of you

listeners who are going to watch The Valley, which are all of you, there is explaining in that. I know that I explain it, but you guys listen to our podcast, and I've talked about it before. Luke and I have talked about it before. My recent ex before I met Luke, even before him, when I was dating Carter, I wanted a baby. I've always wanted to be a mother. I think it's just in my blood. Like it's always been something that I know that I'm going to be fucking really good at. And before Luke, I noticed it took me a while, but actually, Luke,

you, you brought me to that realization that I was sort of like reaching for that and I was changing myself with my last ex just going, you know what, I want a family, I want a baby, I want to raise a family so therefore I will now become whoever you want me to be just to obtain that goal. So it's been known that I want to have kids. It wasn't like, ooh, young strapping lad with blue eyes. Let's get knocked up, shall we? You're like, that's a nice bowl over there. Let's go breed with that one. No, I definitely, my brain doesn't work that way. Nope. But I, yeah, you're not a fan of the Hustle Bustle of Hollywood and we've talked about it on this podcast. We're

not sure where the hell we're gonna live. We don't know where we want to raise a family. We're just taking it moment by moment. Yep. The only thing we do know is that we don't want to raise a family in Los Angeles. So we'll see how the timeline works out. Yeah. It's exciting though. We have obviously a lot of friends on the cast. Danny and Nia are just a lovely couple and they have their hands full with three very young children. I could not speak higher of the two of them. I think we were so lucky to become close to them over the season because I had only, I met Danny and Nia when their son Asher, who's now three, I mean,

think he was like a month old when I first met them. And then we just kind of kept in touch and I just felt like it was honestly, whether you believe in the universe, God, whatever, it was like God's will that like Nia and Nia was supposed to be in my life. And Nia and I were supposed to be friends. I've talked about Nia on the podcast a lot. We've had her on the podcast. You guys should rewind, go back to our earlier podcast that was actually during filming when we had Nia on there. But Nia juggling as much as she has and just keeping it all together. And when Luke and I were actively trying to get pregnant, she just was always there for me. And I just, I can't say enough kind words about her and Danny. So I agree. I couldn't agree more. I just

want to breeze through the whole cast though. So, okay, go ahead. Jesse Michelle, Jesse's very outspoken. They have an interesting relationship. They're both real leaders, Janet and Jason. They are cool. I actually know we both know them very well. They are a lot of the fans know Janet from like Sheena's podcasts and stuff. Exactly. Yeah. Janet's been around. Jason likes to golf as I do. And yeah, they're pretty cool. Everyone knows Jackson, Brittany.

Everyone knows Jackson, Brittany. The glue that hold us together. Yep. And that rounds out the couples in the cast. But then let's talk about Jasmine and Zach because they didn't get. Well, this is, so I want to remind everyone this is just like a little teaser that they put out because they were airing it at the Vanderpump Rules Premier Party. There's going to be a lot more to come, trailers, teasers, photos, gallery photos, etc. And I feel like Jasmine and Zach are like two, for sure I know are two of my favorite people on our entire cast.

They're great. I mean, I personally know Zach. Basically, Zach's like my number two. You're my number one in California. Zach's like my number two. He's around a lot. Zach's like my one and a half. Okay, Zach's my number two.

But you know what I mean. Okay, okay. He's your number one. He's your, your guzzbend. Yes. I understand. Yeah, Zach's awesome. He's around a lot.

We've gotten to know each other and really, we really get along. And I think you even said like, Zack likes me more than any of your exes. 100%. 100%. Well, there we go. And Zack's hysterical, and he's fucking dramatic, and he's loud as hell. And he's the sweetest, kindest, biggest heart, dumb, dumb, hilarious dancing, singing, wild man. Oh God, I just, I love him. And Jasmine and Melissa, Melissa was not,

now we know Melissa was not as much a part of our show this year because she was just on Squid Games on Netflix. She was, yes. So we didn't know that going into the Valley because we just knew Melissa had some sort of like contractual situation why she couldn't really film as much with us. And we were like, okay, well we get Jasmine.

Jasmine, you guys all know her. If you're a Bachelor of Nation fans, you know Jasmine. Yeah, she might have been straight at that time, but she's flexible. She was flexible. She's self-admittedly bisexual. She's still, she says she's bisexual. She is bisexual. Yes.

And she has an amazing girlfriend named Melissa. Love you both. So who just could I love you both. I know I'm all over the place right now. Also just really quick, Jasmine and Brittany are going to be joining me on the podcast in the next week or two. So FYI. Two weeks. But anyway, they're amazing. Jasmine. I mean, all the times I've hung out with Jasmine. I, she tells it how it is.

She says, it is exactly. I don't, I couldn't come up with a bad thing to say about Jasmine. And I mean, all the times I've hung out with Jasmine, I- She tells it how it is. She says, it is exactly. I couldn't come up with a bad thing to say about Jasmine. Never. Even when she and I would get in tiffs or whatever that you'll see coming, you know, nothing's perfect on the valley, of course. But I just have so much respect for her. I'm like, fucking bitch, tell it how it is.

Slay it. You know? Oh yeah, that's great. So I hope everyone's looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. to know you and you really were your honest, true self, which is very difficult to do on a show, especially a show like this where I feel like there could be a lot of pressure coming from production or the network or cast members possibly. I don't know what it's like to be a cast member, but I'm excited for you to be here. I'm excited for you to be here.

I'm excited for you to be here. on a show, especially a show like this where I feel like there could be a lot of pressure coming from production or the network or cast members possibly. I don't know what it's like to be on a show when it's not the first season of a brand new show. Do you know what I mean? Meaning like I went on Vanderpump rules, we were all brand new. I can't imagine what it could be like joining a show with people who have done it for so many years and it'd be my first go. Right.

And not having any, I mean, I didn't have these ambitions. I didn't have, this was just something that just fell into my lap. And as everyone knows from this podcast, it was an agreement that Kristen, Kristen and I had when we started dating was that she couldn't date someone that refused to be on camera. So here I am. And it was never that you had to be like the forefront, but it was just if my life continued down the path that it has been going and I got the opportunity to do television again, you're the biggest part of my life.

So it would never make sense for me to do it without you is really what it was. Not like, well, fuck you. If you can't be on TV, then you don't date me, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah, now I get it. I want people to take it the wrong way. I'm so sensitive right now. Well, hey, when the goat comes out, they'll see that I'm not on that. That's true.

And you are, so, and I hope we can reverse roles one day. I want to do the competitions. I'm a competitive person. I really understand how these games work. That's my kind of reality TV. I think you'd be so baller at it. And I hope that opportunity comes someday. So it doesn't matter what show.

I don't know. Maybe I'll be a villain, put me on, you know, I have some villains. No, no, just stop talking. Okay, I'll stop talking. You're not gonna be a villain. Survivor the go, anything. Put me on a competition show.

You're not gonna, Luke, you are who you are, and that's why I love you, and that's why everyone who doesn't know you yet is going to fall in love with you because you exactly are who you are. You're not manipulative. You're not fake Unless I have to be no you're just not okay there. It's not in your bones and that's what I love about you So speaking of manipulative and fake Where are we going with this? I have to talk about What I heard on YouTube today.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. So you guys, my buddy Adam, who used to work at Sir, who is absolutely fucking lovely, and Adam, I love you, and you need to be on this podcast, and I've sucked at booking guests lately, but I can't wait for you. So Adam's podcast is called Up and Adam. Up and Adam, amazing, hilarious.

Fantastic name for a podcast. And Adam is just the gift that keeps on giving if you were into like pop culture, especially bravo type shit. He is like uploading stuff to the minute. And I was on the internet today looking for any part of the premiere episode of Vanderpump Rules because we were not invited to Vanderpump,

the premiere tickets were a hefty buck and we were not invited so we went to Palm Springs. But that being said, when all the press came out, Rachel Levis has a podcast that I forgot about and she did an episode talking about her time on Vanirump rules and my fucking jaw dropped. No, not just talking about her time on Vanderpump rules, talking about kissing shorts and what went into that, like how that all came to be and how much preparation and how that was like a setup. It was totally a fucking setup. So Adam, the reason I'm bringing up Adam, because Adam played clips from Rachel's podcast. I don't listen to Rachel's podcast, but I love Adam. So he played some clips from there where Rachel spills the tea that the whole her and

short thing was totally set up. It was according to Rachel, allegedly all by producers. And Tom Sandoval knew about it the whole entire time. Tom Schwartz knew about it the whole entire time. It was all just kind of what we all assumed, I think, in the beginning, but then it sort of went away. But the thing that chapped my ass the most is that during the clips that we heard from Rachel's podcast, there was not one inkling of apology or feelings for Katie or Ariana. It chapped my fucking ass. That's true, I mean. She went into so much detail of saying,

Katie said to her like, you know, you asked me to make out with you, you pulled that once. If you do this something like this again, it's gonna end up my friendship with you. She even like quoted Katie on that and did not then say, I feel horrible that I did this to Katie. So you guys need to listen to the up and out of things. I'm not gonna play it, I'm horrible that I did this to Katie.

So you guys need to listen to the up and out of things. I'm not going to play it. I'm not going to like quote the whole thing. But she also says in this clip that she and Ariana were in an Uber together, going to filming after she and Tom have already hooked up before, after Raquel, Rachel and Tom have already, Sanibel have already hooked up. And then Ariana says, oh, man, something along long lines of like, I hate going to this place because I feel like it's the place where someone's going to say like, I slept with your boyfriend.

And Rachel is like, Oh gosh, she like reacts to that. But she doesn't say, God, I felt so awful. I can't believe what I did to my best friend, Ariana. And I want to talk about the best friend thing because not only did Rachel constantly say they were best friends, Ariana thought that they were that close as well. So like everyone just needs to be feeling bad for Ariana and Katie right now. And that's it. That's how I feel. I feel like they were both punked so fucking hard by Tom Tom and Raquel. And I love Tom Schwartz to pieces. I just feel like he was a pawn in all of this.

I don't think Tom Schwartz is a manipulative little fuck. I think he was a pawn in Tom Sandoval's game. I agree. I think he's a loyal, I think Tom's a great guy. I think he's a loyal friend and that's where it turned into a fault this time. That he was loyal to Tom Sandoval and this got caught up in this mess. And, you know, now he looks like a bad guy and a lot of people's eyes. But you know what, in all of my years of friendship with Tom Shorts,

I think what always fucks him is being loyal to Tom Sandoval. It fucked his marriage with Katie, I'm saying it. It fucked his friendships, his friendship with Ariana. It fucked a lot of things up. His like, undoubted loyalty to Tom Sandoval is what is fucking him over. And what does Tom Sandoval ever had shorts is back like that? Well, because he maybe lied for him before. It just makes me so fucking sick.

So I don't think Tom Sandoval's ever had shorts is back the way that Schwartz has like laid in the fucking shit for a sand ball. Well, I don't know that Schwartz has had these plans that he needed. Of course not. Sand balls participation. And so I think that's really where it comes from. But I don't know, the only times I've seen them together, it certainly seems like they both have each other's back 100% when we ask you this, Luke, think of one of your like closest guy friends for the last, you know, over a decade,

right? And they wanted you to do shit like this for them. To that extent, what would you do? Because me, I think about it with my girlfriends, I would have my girl, like my very best friends, I would, no shit, I would have their back. I absolutely would. But if it came to a point where it was just all these deceit and lies and shadiness, and it wasn't for like their better health, like their happiness, you know? If they were in a bad relationship

and they needed me to like have their back in a way, that's one thing. But I guess none of my girlfriends would ever do shit like this. None of my friends really, whatever. But I just couldn't ever bring myself to being like, oh yeah, this is hilarious and great and fun. I mean, what do you think?

Just as a dude. As a dude. And you have the logical, practical brain right now. So I think the fact that career, a job, a livelihood, it was brought into play here, that there is a storyline, there is, you know, during filming, this is work, right? As the male mind, sometimes you do put your career, you put your job, you put your livelihood ahead of certain relationships, especially if there are other little factors you can justify it with.

If Schwartz saw that Ariana and Sandoval hadn't been good for a while, that they were like really in a tough time and they were likely splitting anyway, he could justify it in his mind. That's like, there were all these factors. I'm certain that we're going through his mind, like what's the right thing to do here? What's the right thing to do? And the decision he made came back on him,

but he had to make a decision and he made a decision and it wasn't the one that is more generally accepted, I guess. As far as like calculating things in ones and zeros and being practical and not emotional and thinking about these things, that's the way I see it. Okay. May I give my rebuttal? Of course.

I see where you're coming from. However, I think it was a pussy decision. Shorty, I love you. You're never going to listen to this unless someone tells you about it anyway. But you were being a fucking pussy. I disagree because I wouldn't do that. After over a decade on reality TV, I stick by and I stand by how I feel. If I make a mistake within that, I own it and I apologize for it. It's what I've always done. It's what I'll continue to do.

This year on the valley, on the season coming up, I wasn't perfect. I definitely fucked up. I'm not proud of some of the things that happened, but the second I came to the realization, if I made a mistake, when I made a mistake, I apologized for it. I owned it and I had to show my action speak louder than words. Right? So that's how I feel. So I just think it's a pussy ass move. And I'm going to give a shout out to Stasi because Stasi has said on her podcast in the past that it has made her really sick to see how some of the men have been sort of, what's the word, like held on a pedestal when they've done some really awful things and she's felt

certain ways about that and where she's like, I don't even want to film with this shit anymore because it's, I don't stand by it. And that's how I feel. I just feel like I couldn't do something I didn't stand by. And I think what I've learned over this time in reality TV is like, that's where I applaud myself for going, nope, I don't feel like that. I'm not willing to do it because it will,

this piece of film, this part of the internet, not even just, that sounds shitty, because it's not even just people having to know about it, but it's like, I have to look at that forever. I have to own that. I totally get where you're coming from. I just don't agree with you from my own personal standpoint, but I see, I appreciate you giving like the male perspective on like why that could be.

I also don't totally get maybe, I don't know why Raquel felt Rachel felt the need to get into this or to keep going with this. Like she's not on the show. I do get the need to like free yourself of things that are frustrating for you. I do. So I can somewhat get that part. It's just for me, the fact that she had no like sorrow, no apologetic, no apologies, no apologetic

nature toward Katie or Ariana through all this. She was just kind of like, well, Schwartz did that and Sanibel did that and fuck the producers. She kind of didn't own her part in it either. Okay, well, do you not see, to me, this is plain as day. Okay, tell me. Raquel, Rachel, whatever. Her friendship with Ariana and Katie was very, you know, they say people are in your life for a season or a reason, right?

Season, reason, or a lifetime, yeah. Exactly, so this was a season type thing that she knew that this wasn't going to be forever. Obviously, or she wouldn't have fucked Santa vol while he was with ariana. Okay, that relationship was supposed to be the stronger one Throw that out the window Katie and her never had a tight relationship, right? She didn't have respect for them. Yeah, exactly She didn't respect them enough to hold them like to a higher yeah, she didn't see them as these friends She's gonna have her life. She thought she and Tom might be though.

Yeah, but at the same time, there is some logic behind that in that really the way you go through life, I'm only 32, but I know that friends, unfortunately there's a lot of time that it's a matter of proximity and convenience with the friends you hang out with the most. And so there are a handful,

very small handful of friends that you talk to regularly no matter where you live. You're gonna have this very small handful. But once it goes beyond that, there are a lot of friends that you know what you may not talk to for years. You see each other again, it's gonna be like, oh my god, I haven't seen you in forever. Cool. You pick back up. You pick back up. But you're not the level of friends that are gonna stay in touch on a regular basis. You're not that kind of tight for the rest of your life. And so I think that that is exactly what it was for Raquel and Rachel, whoever.

I don't know what you want to call her. I know. Anyway, with that. I naturally say Raquel because that's how I always knew her, but she goes by Rachel now and I'm like, I don't fucking know anymore either. I think she saw the potential for a lifetime with Sandoval, which misguided or not, that didn't include these other girls. And so they were kind of disposable as far as where her life was going,

because when I look at things like, I'll be honest, there's- People that are disposable. Not disposable, but very few people that like, for my person, the person I know I'm gonna be with for the rest of my life, I don't know. You wouldn't ask, and a good partner wouldn't ask you to not talk to certain people ever again.

No. Right, but it kinda happens. If you get into a deeper, you know, your relationship, you start a family, you move, there's a number of people you don't talk to again because you were kinda friends by proximity. Yeah, you're right. And that's, that is what reality TV,

especially in a cast can very much so be. I mean, think about Vanderpump rules. I know you've watched very little bits, but I can speak from experience like, and Luke, I've even told you, why would I stay in LA for this many years? Or like move to where I've moved? Because it's like, well, this is where we go.

We, a group of friends. It became so, just so tight knit and sort of like, this is what we do because we were friends before Vanderpump rules. That is why we got Vanderpump rules. Now we're in Vanderpump rules. Now Vanderpump rules has lasted as many years. You know, I was on eight seasons almost 10 years and it just became like, well, what do I do without them? It was very a weird feeling to be like, I do without them. It was very weird feeling to be like, but these are my front. Like, but no, but you're right. Now that I've grown older and I'm with you and we're wanting to start a family and my friends have families, blah, blah, blah. This, we've said it a million

times on this podcast. It takes a village to raise a family, but like it also takes a very small circle. Your circle gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Right. And then there will be the next, The people that live in Never Never Land also. Well sure, but I'm saying now along that line though, is like when you start a family, then you have these friends that become your friends because they have kids the same age and they live in the same area

and these are still friends by proximity. And only a very small handful of those will you keep in touch with for the rest of your life as life happens. You move, you get a job, the kids, you know, go to college, you want to move closer to the ocean, you know, whatever, life happens. And there are some neighbors or some people

you used to be close with that you probably don't talk to for years at a time. So I think that for Prequel, she saw a future with Sandoval and it didn't have to include Katie and Ariana. That's my justification. What you're saying makes perfect sense. No, I agree with you. I don't think it's a justification. I're saying makes perfect sense. No, I agree with you. I don't think it's a justification. I think it makes perfect sense.

I just think it's really shitty on her. It makes perfect sense. Okay. For sure. Period. However, I think that my opinion on her doing that podcast and choosing to outproducers, out shorts, out sandball, like all of that, and not even give a nod to her wrongdoings was like pretty fucking shitty. It was like almost doubling down on her shittiness, to be honest. It was kind of celebrating it. I will say that. I'll agree that the way she was talking about it was wasn't at all remorseful. She didn't give a nod or you know, apology to the girls.

Like they all had me duped. even though we were all in on it. It's kind of like what? It sounded to me like she was giving the finger to Bravo and NBC or whoever you know the people that gave her this platform that made her kind of who she is in a public eye. Giving the finger to them and being like screw you I don't need you anymore. I'm gonna spill as whatever I can as much as I can and I'm gonna be proud of it even though my decisions really hurt a lot of people Yeah, she should have shut the F up girl any Hoosies. Okay. That's where we're at with the vowels With the vows with the vows the valley with the Vanderpump talk

Aye aye aye aye aye aye, but that being said real quick that being said we are We are going to be recapping Vanderbump rules when it comes out in a couple of weeks, as well as the value when that comes out. So you guys are going to dig that shit. So Kristen, are you ready for our segment that we introduced three weeks ago? And we're going to now continue because we had a couple of different podcasts. Anyway, it's time for... Unprofessional Relationship Advice.

Alright, and this week we have Tattooedist, spelled T-A-T-T-U-D-I-S-T. Tattooedist. Hello, Kristin and Luke. I have a relationship question I would love to get your impidian on. For years I've wanted to visit a nudist beach. I love how it feels to be naked, especially outdoors when I get the rare chance. In the right context, it gives me a sexual rush, but it isn't always about that. Often, I just love the freedom of being in my skin. At least once, I want to feel the sun, the breeze, and the ocean on my bare body. When I've talked about it with my husband, I can tell he doesn't like the possibility of other men seeing me nude. He has reluctantly agreed that we will go together someday, but it's been years. I think he's hoping I'll eventually forget about it and

move on. When I brought it up to my best friends a few years ago, they were curious but they didn't really get it. But now there's been a shift. On their own, a couple of my friends have taken an interest in trying out a nude beach as well. A conversation has become a plan and now it looks like my little dream is finally going to come true this summer as a girls trip. The problem is that I am nervous to tell my husband. I'm afraid he will feel jealous or left out or ask me not to go but I really want to go have this experience with my friends. What do you think I should do? Thank you. Someone's naked neighbor. Someone's naked neighbor is

amazing. I have so many feelings about this. I kind of want you to go first because she's asking, like her concern is clearly what's my husband gonna think. I'm gonna have to break this to him. So let's break it down. Let's break it down. So the whole of his reluctance, I can understand that, especially, I mean, if you're in love

and you've, you know, regardless of public opinion, if you're in love, you think your wife, your woman is the hottest person in the fucking planet. So you don't want to share that with people. That's how you feel. That's normal, right? So I understand the apprehension and going to a nude beach and knowing all these people are going to see your wife naked. I get it. Okay. At the same time. It's a nude beach and knowing all these people are gonna see your wife naked. I get it.

Okay. At the same time, I've seen beaches and it's not... It's not an orgy party. Yeah, exactly. She's not going to a swing or party. Right. She's not saying she wants to be penetrated by other men. Right. It's...

It's not like, hey, saw this ad on Craigslist or wherever. Sorry, that was a little dark. But like, yeah, exactly. That's my thought. It's like, we're not going to a sex party. It's just nudity. And I personally, like I got elated and like I felt joy when you were reading it. And she just said, like, just the thought of being naked, like outdoors, like the sexual rush thing I didn't really feel, but good for her, whatever, cool at times. Doesn't want that to be taken out of context.

But I'll tell you, when I had my house, it was my favorite fucking thing. Every day, I had French doors right at the end of my bed. I opened up the doors. I literally would walk around my backyard naked. No one could see me. I knew it for a fact. Granted, she's going to a public nude beach,

but I'm just saying like that feeling, and I'm very self-conscious, but I was like, wow, this is really actually kind of cool. I've read stories and articles about people like, or like celebrities being like, I walk around naked at my house, and I'm like, oh, that's a little weird. And then when I got to do it, I thought it was amazing.

We also know, you and I both know know I hate where I don't wear bras. I hate wearing tops at all. If I could be topless 24 seven and it were acceptable to the public and not, you know, hurting people's fucking fragile feelings, I would do it. So I absolutely get her POV and also something to try, trying something new, seeing how you feel about it. Maybe she does it and she was like Yeah, maybe not for me or she really enjoyed it. Maybe her husband would also enjoy it You got to get out of your damn head. Yeah, that's the thing is I think it just needs to be a more in-depth conversation. That's my

Personal opinion like communication between she and her husband of what like essentially I understand That this doesn't you know rock your boat this isn't tickle your fancy can you tell me what it is about that is there a way that we can look make you not have hurt feelings go ahead I would go to a new beach with you even though you know that I don't want other men seeing you naked one because I know that new beaches are generally the geriatric age. They're typically old people that just don't care. There's one of, you know, they want to just leave it all out there. They don't care. Just to be free, not feel anything, go out there, do their thing. Totally cool. Not a big deal.

It's not, there's also nothing sexual about a nudist beach unless your mind puts it there because it's just not sexual. I totally agree with you. So, and you can't help how other people feel either. Like if someone is ogling her goodies and they're keeping it private, that's on them.

You know what I mean? If someone's inappropriate, they could be inappropriate when she's fully dressed as well. And that's on that person. And that's a really shitty thing. I totally understand. But like, I don't see it happening. Totally. And at the end of the day, like these aren't people that are gonna find you and slide

into their DMs, just not something you speak, we have to worry about, but to me reading this message, I think that the conversation needs to be more in-depth saying these sorts of things and me personally as you know male partner in the relationship, if we had this conversation you felt like I wasn't very enthusiastic about it yet, then you'd had this conversation, you felt like I wasn't very enthusiastic about it. Yet, then you talked to your girlfriends and you just thought I wasn't really that into it, but we hadn't had this deeper in-depth conversation.

I was like, yeah, we'll go sometime. And I wasn't excited about it because you do get upset sometimes when I'm not as excited as you are about certain things. And I understand that sentiment, but dive into this conversation more because he might be more upset that you're going with a group of girls than including him when you're going to go be naked. I will say that I could see his perspective being more hurt or more nervous, you know, just not anxious, just not good feeling.

Having stories in his head going, oh, it's a girls trip. A bunch of girls are going to go down there and be naked. A bunch of hot women. And Susie's single, so what's that going to go down there and be naked. A bunch of hot women. Right, and Susie's single. So what's that going to lead to? You know, I don't know. Yeah, fucking Susie. I know, my god damn it.

Susie's great. No, I totally see where you're coming from. I do agree that it really does have to be about communication and approaching it in the way of I feel like I understand where you're coming from. If you could tell me where you're coming from, rather than assuming also is something I've learned about being in a healthy relationship.

I can always assume how if you say, Kristin, no, I don't want you to go to the fucking nude beach, then I'm thinking, Oh God, he's just being jealous. Well, maybe, maybe that is the reason, right? Or maybe he has other insecurities or other reasons that you don't need. You're not even aware of. So if you can get him to confidently open, like open that conversation with you and just have a real heart to heart about what it is about it that he's sort of turning his nose down to, maybe it's just all assumption, you know, maybe he's just going, oh, that's trash or

that's not for people like us, or that's just for old people, or that's just for single people. Like's just for single people like who knows what that could be about which is not any of those things correct I couldn't agree with you more I'm just saying I'm trying to assume what someone could assume about that that would turn their nose down at it but with what the information we have with this message right I think that it is likely there's a feeling there are not enough communication. That's my diagnosis is that he wasn't excited. He wasn't thrilled by the idea. Who can blame him? He wasn't like, yeah, let's just go get naked

and let everyone see you, you know, stroll around the beach, let everyone see your awesome, hot body. Not very many men are gonna be like that about their women. Well, I agree. And women don't, I'll say as a woman, I would not care really about my man because in no offense, I love your naked body, but men are not that hot from the waist down. In general, they're not. I've always stood

by this. I think women are so fucking hot, totally naked. All women. I agree. But men from the waist down, I'm like, I don't want to see your dingling helicoptering around unless I ask for it. You know. that's just my personal opinion. But again, I do see the whole like why she might not care why he cares just coming from a woman's perspective. Yeah. I understand the dilemma. I totally understand the dilemma. But I do think her husband needs to let her have a little freedom because clearly she's a very loving wife who's thinking about his feelings. And this is just something she needs to do for her because It's something cool. It's on her bucket list. I'm guessing like it's exciting. Why the fuck not?

I agree and I think I just will say I think that he would very much appreciate Tattooedist inviting him along or saying, you know, I want to do this together Can we get it on the books because if not my girlfriends and I have been talking and we're going to do it. Yes. Like we actually are going to book this trip. If you want to come, I would love for you to give them an option to be included because it could just create more anxiety and more like, you know, negative thoughts and this imaginary story of how it's going to go. If he doesn't want to do it and go do it with your girlfriends.

And please write us back and tell us how your awesome trip goes because I have never been to a new beach. I've been to South Beach in Miami where I did go topless and that was fun, but it wasn't really that fun because there was paparazzi there and I just did it to like piss the like, I guess to entertain them because they were annoying me. We were doing banner pump rules when I did it, but I was like, here you can see my tits like grow up. Not grow up. You have amazing tits.

Everyone was happy about that. Thank you, I just went to the paparazzi, like they're waiting for something. I'm like here, they're boobs. You can literally Google them. It's not difficult. Yeah, idiots, they're just boobs. You see, they're not just boobs.

Look, there are so many different shapes and sizes and so many different things. I just mean, these are our bodies. They're just human bodies. I understand that boobs are sexualized, but they're also, they're just boobs. It's just a body. Sure. But you can't change the male mind. It will always be sexualized by men. That is something that people need to accept as a fact and stop trying to change

because men will always sexualize breasts. That is going to be interesting. Okay. Well, thank you so much for writing in. I hope we helped. Have your husband listened to this. If you guys want to jump on and have a little call with us, we're super down for that. Yeah, it's free, unprofessional, really, unprofessional, really stupid advice. We do not charge free of my therapist charge. Oh my God. Okay, we love you guys so much. We have a new title. We're not going to tell it to you yet. Give us a couple weeks.

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