Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - What Men Really Think

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

Episode 58. This week, Kristen and Luke are joined by their friend Matt Jordan aka @mjizzle53 for a conversation about how men think. They discuss honest thoughts on wedding planning, hooking up with friends, living together before marriage, sharing stories about sex, grooming below the belt, and so much more! Sponsors: Head to FACTORMEALS.com/doute50 and use code doute50 to get 50% off.       Kitsch is offering you 30% off your entire order at MyKitsch.com/doute Download the DraftKings Casino app NOW, sign up with promo code DOUTE, and new customers get a deposit match up to ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS in casino credits when you deposit $5 or more! Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, you gorgeous babes? Men and women and everyone alike. Welcome back to another episode of Sex Love and Voodle Smatters. Hi, Christine. And we've got Luke's here. Shall we get in the surprise? I'm here. So Luke and I were going to do this solo today, just the two of us. And then I was like, you know what?

No offense, babe. But I'm feeling like I need some dude answers. I need like more than just you. I think you just really wanted to be overwhelmed with masculine energy. So you guys, I'm so excited to introduce you. And a lot of you on the Pellamy and Instagram were like, who's that guy? Well, this is that guy.

Matt Jordan, who likes to call himself MJ, but I don't stand for it. Matt Jordan, welcome to the podcast. Hi guys. Thank you for having me. So Matt lives in Denver and is one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's one of my male BFFs, one of two of my straight male BFFs. And we have known each other like 30 years.

20. 23. Oh yeah, hold on. I just have to say, how old are you? How old are we? We have known each other 20 years. Dude, I don't know how old I am. Once you hit 39, you just start forgetting.

Anyway, with all this male energy happening, yeah. So again, guys, Matt is one of my male BFFs, Lives in Denver, Matt, you're from St. Louis. This is how we met each other. Do you want to tell a story? How we know each other? Uh-huh, yeah. My brother was in a band called Green Whale about each other. Do you know each other? Uh, yeah. was an abandoned called Gre

2001 and they were on Ilin pretty big in the midwest would go on tour and do u cities like an a Thursday my parents and I would p me went to a show and fl was Kristen, who we immediately bonded, hit it off, and then we'll continue to see her shows

and we became friends and just stayed in touch, whether it was through social media, through breakups, would just kind of thank me. Nice, Ben. Nice to see you. You're in my traffic, I'm pretty sure. You were in my traffic as well. So what Matt's really saying is that back in the early

Aughts, I was a band-aid. You were a groupie. I was a groupie. I did have sex with one of the guys in Greenville. That's true. But I meant to be a band-aid. And I would follow this band around, co-Greedwill. And Matt's brother was the lead singer of the band.

And I just truly love their music. And that's just what I did back then. These were like the live journal, like MySpaceSpace days where we could like code our favorite songs and oh shit was so good back then. Anyhow that's pretty much what happened and I would go from like Michigan to Indiana to Missouri to Kentucky to Ohio, Illinois and follow this band around and we became buddies and then eventually when I moved to California I stopped in St. Louis and met up with you for like a second, do you remember? I have a photo on my MySpace that

I can still access from St. Louis. Wait, MySpace is still active. I'm kind of like, I can log in and I can see like six photos. I can see it like in fine mine. Do you remember what your email address was back then though, because you have to be able to access that email address? It's a whole thing. That's long gone. Yeah. Not mine, because that's who I am. I definitely don't.

I still have. Detective Doty definitely knows how to get into her Dan MySpace, even if they took it all away from me. I definitely don't check my Hotmail account anymore. You have a Hotmail account? That's cute. If it's still active, I don't know how long you have to go inactive before.

How many email accounts have you guys had? They used for like porn and weird shit on one and then like all your actual emails on the other. Because I dated this guy named Tom S, who's from St. Louis actually, but we dated, I met him in LA, and he had like a bunch of email addresses and one of them was specifically for like porn and like front, front, not front finder. There was like this

one where you can like find people to fuck like in your neighborhood. Adult friend finder? Yes, I think yeah. Anyway. I've heard of it. This guy that I dated from St. Louis, he, he had one of those and I was like, what the fuck? So that's a, let's just start off with that, guys. You're really just going to leave it at Thomas. That was his name. Okay. His name is not Tom Schwartz, just a room. No, Scott, I did not date Tom Schwartz. Matt, did you have multiple email addresses for like porn or naughty things and then like another email address for like all your other stuff? I mean, I definitely have a separate email account that I use for things like that. I mean, I definitely have a separate email account

that I use for things like that. You don't expect for spam, but I've definitely made a mistake for and signed up for something to use my work email because it auto fills. And I've got back in the account and fix it. Like the last thing I need my work saying. That's what I do. I can't find up for big booty bitches, Matt.

I'm looking about you. You know, if I did, I got a hat. I'm not for big booty bitches, Matt. I'm like, what? What about you? You know, if I did, it was very brief. Do you have another email address other than the one that I know? Well, yeah, I've got a number of business accounts. I've got one from my company. I've got one from business.

I'll show you everyone if you want. Just talking. This day in age, who needs another email account to book at porn, that's not a thing. I'm talking about back in the day but you're younger than us. Okay, that's true. Oh my goodness gracious.

I was just curious because it just popped into my head about mine and Matt's like old school, my space friendship and how people, we just had, I don't know, like I had an AOL account and then all of a sudden AOL wasn't what people were into. So I had like a Yahoo account. When I moved to LA, they were like, you have a Yahoo account, you need to have a Gmail

with your own name. I was like, okay, fuck, I don't know. I remember instant messenger, that was like the instant messenger chat rooms, like the first thing I had. I was like our first flirting. Exactly, birth of text messaging is kind of what it was. Really it was, it totally was.

Like, I was, I want to say like 13, I was in middle school. I think when AIM was a thing. So you were a little bit older, Luke was like born. I just got throw this in here. If anyone hasn't seen the movie Blackberry, it's fantastic. And it throws you back to that age in that time. That you agree? We watched it.

It was such a good movie. No, it's a great movie, but I never had a Blackberry. Matt, did you have a Blackberry? I did. Did you have a Blackberry because it was untraceable or because it was cool? I used to use it for work, and it was cool. Okay, but it not because of the whole untraceable.

That's new to me, I didn't even know that. Yeah, it was basically like a WhatsApp, but when WhatsApp was not super traceable, like you would have your BBMs, your Blackberry messenger. I remember all my friends when I moved to LA had a Blackberry, and then when the iPhone cameMs, your Blackberry messenger. I remember all my friends when I moved to LA had a Blackberry and then like, when the iPhone came out, they also had that. But they're like, if you send BBMs,

like they're like untraceable, no one could find them. And I had a fucking palm trio and I was like, no, I don't, I'm not in that Blackberry world, bitches. I don't know. I never have. Yeah, I did not know that. You guys are boring, you guys didn't have any sex texts. That's cool.

No, Snapchat came out when... Oh, that's so cute. Okay, well. You do have a Snapchat. Matt, do you have a Snapchat or did you ever have one? I had one at one time, but I don't use it anymore. Was it for like, titty pics or was it for just like, for fun? Because like other people, your friends had it.

Yeah, both. Yeah. Luke, titty pics. Not as much as I Yeah, both. Luke, Tiddy, Picks. Not as much as I would have liked. OK. Do you be honest with you? It was a lot of... But your ex-girlfriend used to send you or post things to get your attention on Snapchat.

We talked about this on the podcast before. Correct. Yes. When Luke and his ex-girlfriend broke up, she would post things just to like, specifically in your t-shirt or whatever it was just to get your attention. That's fucking smart. That's some should I used to pull. I'm a fan. That's funny.

Okay, guys. So I want to tell you about my day. Well, I want to tell you about the last part of my day. So I've been growing out my flipping vagina hair. Your bush for far too long. I'm not a fan. I fucking hate it. As your, as Matt's like itching his, or like he's like combing his beard with his fingers. Matt, this is how I felt for the last like three weeks.

Every time I take a shower, I'm like, do I need to comb it? I have to like slap my own hand, be like, put the razor down, Dodie. Don't do it. I know you're going to shave your legs, but don't touch it because you can get waxed. So I got waxed today. And right after I got waxed, I went and got a tan.

And then I got a spray tan. And for all of you who are going to tan, shame me. I only went for five minutes. It was a quick five minuteer. It was like being in the sun outside. I protect myself from skin cancer. I just want to throw that out there. But I want to be tan. It was like being in the sun outside. I protect myself from skin cancer. I just want to throw that out there. But I want to be tan.

I feel like a pacy little bitch. And now I'm starting to feel really good about myself. I got the Vigine wax. I got a little bit of a spray tan. I'm missing three nails on my right hand, but that'll be fixed tomorrow. And then I'll feel like a hot girl again. So my question to you boys, it's like a twofold.

Number one, how do you feel about bush hair on a chick, whether it's a girl you're just hooking up with versus a girl you're dating, and then I want to talk about man scoping. So let's go to the first part. You go first, Matt. How do you feel about vigine hair? Are you a bush guy?

Are you a full Brazilian, no hair in the butt cheeks or do you not really give a shit? I'm like a bald eagle. You are a bald eagle or you give a shit. I'm like a bald eagle. You are a bald eagle or you like a bald eagle? I like a bald eagle. I too am a bald eagle because any little piece of hair I'm like it's gonna know the fuck out of me. I'm way too like OCD and I'll just start like tweezin.

Who have you feel? You know preference wise, obviously I like some care to be done down there not just like full on everything, big bush, kind of deal. Oh, but okay, hold on though, a bush does not mean that there's no care. It just means maybe that's a preference. Sure, what I'm saying is like a landing ship's okay.

Like some pubic care is okay. With me, I just want to see some effort, especially if I'm gonna go down. Then my question, so my question for both of you, Matt, first, hook up dating, like random dating, versus girlfriend, or you've had a fiance before. Does that change for you? Well, what Luke was about to say is the big difference maker.

If you like to go down on a woman, that's when it really comes into play. Same with you ladies, I'm sure you don't want a guy's dick to have sideburns. Well, I mean, I'm not sucking a sideburn. Yeah, but it's gonna get your teeth. Yeah. I don't, I try not to get that close.

Depends on the size. Yeah. But so I answer my question, Matt, what do you think? So basically like a girl you're like kind of seeing or going on it, you know, you're dating casually but you are hooking up right versus like a long-term girlfriend or your fiancee, ex fiancee, whatever it is. We don't have to say your ex but long-term version.

Long-term version, fuck buddy. Do you care the same way or is it different? Yeah, I guess there's probably a little less caring if it's a fuck buddy. So if you're like super indoor, she's super hot, you guys are having fun, and she just is like a bush lady. You're like, if that's the only thing, no big deal. Yeah, but if it's in the long term and yeah, you want a little, I mean, you want it to be maintain and take care of. Just it's a personal preference. So let me put that out there, ladies and

gens listening. This is all personal preference. That's why I'm asking. But Luke, so like, in your single days, would that turn you away from hugging up with a girl if she had an 80s bush? No, I haven't run into a fool on 80s bush, but it doesn't. It doesn't turn me away. It's, I mean, mixes things up because I think most girls are pretty clean, like, clean shaving or wax these days. You gotta stop saying clean now because clean is my shaving shower. Clean shaving is what I said, clean shaving. Bald eagle.

Bald eagle. We're going back to the bald eagle. That's the preference. I mean, it's fine. Because for me, it's like the opposite of what you guys are saying, where I'm like, if I'm like, when I was single and if I was like, hooking up with a dude, like, we're going, I know we're going on a day, you know, like, when I was single and if I was like, hooking up with the dude, like, I know we're going on a date, you know, you put your best foot forward.

I expect that shit to be man-scaped. My boyfriend, I'm like, yeah, whatever. If he does it, it's like, I'm like, oh, surprise for me, that was nice of you. We also like discuss it, Luke will be like, hey, a shaved-on there, or whatever. You don't seem to notice their care usually, you don't comment on it.

No, the only thing I hate are your armpit hair. Matt, do you trim your armpit hair? I'm, I, yeah, definitely man scape. I even have a two different razors in my shower, ones for my balls and ones for my face. But they're specifically different, so I don't mix up the two. You do as well, Luke.

You have the long mower and the... Those are clippers, not a razor. But what is it called, the long mower and the hedge trimmer? Right, right, I've got a set of clippers for my beard and then a set of clippers, but I don't... And how would you feel if I used the one fear balls if I did them on my VJ? If I was like over the bush, can't handle it,

I'm having a panic attack, can't get into my waxer. Alexis, shout out, bunny feathers, guys. I'll post about this, but I have followed her everywhere. She's the only one that gets to look at my vagina other than Luke, anyway. I wouldn't bother me as long as you didn't do it like after not showering for a few days in a workout.

As long as that wasn't the case, I don't care, you can use it. I mean, should I surprise? I've used it without shower. I'm just kidding, but now I'm definitely going to. That's the day. Don't confuse those two. When did you guys start man-scaping? Oh, young. Very young.

Matt, what about you? Young. Like, how did you know to do it? Porn. Oh. Was it porn for you? Or did you just now? A lot of American pie. Oh, there you go.

Yeah. When you got the clippers and American pie. Oh, there you go. Yep. When you got the clippers and it looks that way, it's how you got bigger. Yeah. Oh, because if the bush is trimmed back, pretty much the bush makes the tree look taller. Oh. Facts.

He's only speaking facts. Listen, you heard it here first. He's like fucking boot over here. Ha, ha, ha. Wait, can you say that one more time, the bush? I said trimming the bush makes the tree look taller. How, like what all body hair do you shave or man's cave? Because I am basically only below the belt.

Like by basically, I mean, I am only below the belt. Occasionally I'll trim the hair around my nipples because they get really bushy and I think it's weird. But I'm touched with chest hair, the armpit hair. I don't touch my stomach hair. Consistently down below the belt, my armpits, and then my chest hair right now and then because it gets a little chewed back.

You're unruly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like that. I've dated guys who can't grow hair. And at times, it's felt like it's uncomfortable. I was gonna say something that was gonna come out completely, not correctly.

So it doesn't, it makes me feel like less of a woman if a guy is like fully waxed, shaved, like oily, like that's just not my vibe. Again, this is all about preference guys. That's all we're talking about is preference. Different strokes for different folks, you know what I mean? But for me, I want like a dude with like some hair, like just a little bit, maybe not like all up on your butt

in like your, all that. All up on your butt, what? Like in your, I don't know, like, do you, I mean, I don't know. I guess it depends if you want girls to go like between your cheeks or not, like if you want to like, you know, get in there. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know, I guess it depends if you want girls to go between your cheeks or not. If you want to like, get in there. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't really.

Yeah. Anyway. That's a no-fly zone for me. Luke too. Interesting. Anyway, that's what I did today. I had it all waxed like all hell and it's been a really long time and it hurt like a fucking bitch, but I'm very happy I did it and now I'm tanning and feeling hot so that's all. Hell yeah, I'm excited to see the work.

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for 30% off your entire order. Matt, you came in to visit from Denver, you hung out, and then you left, went back to Colorado, our friends Rachel and Greg from Colorado came in, and then you came back. You came back like a week later just to visit me from my James May party. Oh yeah, I said I would come out for it.

I'm not realizing that you would tell me like six days later, or hey, it's next week, oh shit. Now I gotta pony up. But like today, not even joking, I went into the guest room in the apartment and I said, I was looking for something and I said, oh, it's in Matt's room.

And I was like, oh, the guest room, whatever. It's essentially your room now. You've been here more than anybody. I've only had this place for like three weeks. A question about you. You absolutely did. Congratulations. Wait, it's only Chris and if you finished,

that's the real story. Oh, so is that what you're asking him? Did the job get completed or did it end? It did. Okay, okay. Congratulations. Good work. Good for single people.

You know what I mean? Let's talk about that a little bit. Samantha, you are currently single. You're ready to mingle? We're ready to find somebody. Mingling is boring. Mingling is boring. And you've been engaged before, which I literally forget all the time.

Can we talk about that? We don't have to talk about like the person. But like I'm so curious to talk to both of you boys about the way guys feel about, oh my gosh, like I'm really in love with her and I'm actually thinking about like proposing, like do you think about the proposal? Are you excited about it? Do you do whatever think about the proposal? Are you excited about it? Do you do whatever you think she wants? Do you do what you want? Like what does that look like for a man? From like your perspective, you're romantic, you're literally like I said,

the funniest person that I know. So you have, you're a jack of all trades. But when it comes to something like that when you're in a serious relationship, when you thought you were going to get engaged, were you like, I am excited about this or you're like, oh, I'll give her what she wants. And Luke, what do you think as well? You go first because you've done this before.

Luke's like, I'm going to follow your answer. I was super excited about it, but I didn't want to do anything cliche. I wanted it to be something special, something that was kind of us. And she also had a daughter. So I included the daughter in it. But yeah, I got super excited about it, put planning into it. My parents got involved. Her brothers were involved. It was super, it turned out great, but obviously it didn't work out. That's why we're having this conversation. All right. And I'm sorry. No need to twist the knife.

But it's been a bit, and you're maybe a fat flow. It's like fun to play off that. I think the guy, at least from my perspective, definitely puts a lot of thought and energy into the proposal, into the ring. That's where the thought really comes in. I think as far as visualizing the wedding, it's a lot less common.

I have not, I've never visualized, like this is the way I see my wedding going. These are the colors, this is the layout, these are the people granted. I've thought about who would be in my wedding party, but that's as far as it goes, thinking about the wedding as a man. And Matt, what about you?

Whether it was with your fiancee or not, like whenever you've dated a girl for a long time, were you ever like, oh, we're gonna get married here. Like, this is what I'm gonna wear. These are the flower colors. How many guys are gonna stand up? Did you think about any of that? No, I thought about the guys that were gonna be in it.

That was about it. Maybe where the bachelor party was gonna be, what that was gonna be like. Like, exactly. I was gonna include my parents, but yeah, for the most part, all of that organizing colors, I would told her when we were planning, girl, this is all you, whatever you want,

whatever makes you happy. Because I knew how stressful it was gonna be, and it's not being a lot more planning on the woman's part because we don't care. So give the free reign to the woman and let them do whatever makes them happy and as less stress as possible. Yeah, I was kind of expecting a, we don't care.

Meaning it's not, it doesn't weigh heavily on you as like an important thing, like whatever the, fucking color of the flower. So you're like, I don't care. If she was like, well, I want white flowers with like accents of yellow, you're not gonna argue that. You're like, perfect, white and yellow, perfect, sounds good. You know me, I'd just be looking at the price tags being like,

so I'd be like, oh, the white and yellow or this price, if you want these, I'd just be looking at the price tags being like so I'd be like, oh, the white and yellow or this price, if you want these, I don't know, I'd be looking at the numbers, I think more than this. Do you guys have a number? It's not a blank check. I mean, if we're going to have a wedding, like we got to kind of keep some things in mind, we're throwing a big party for everyone else is really, our wedding is very special for us. He's putting his hand on my back like, babe, it's really important. It's really important and such an awesome pivotal time. But the logical, like, numbers-minded person that I am, we're throwing a big party for all

of our friends. That is what's happening in this wedding. We're spending all the money. They're coming to support us and everything. And sometimes I might chime in when it comes down to it to say that it's not worth the extra money for something small that won't be remembered. I mean, Touche, Touche.

So Matt, your ex-fiance or not, or just any girlfriend, and Luke, you obviously had serious relationships. Was there consideration or thought on your end that you were like, I want a wedding, or I want to a lope, or I want a destination thing, or were you just like, whatever she wants,

who gives a fuck? With my ex-viancée, we were trying to keep it cheap, we were trying to keep it small, we didn't want big extravagant, we wanted it for the most important people in our lives, not people that were coming with a free drink, some play food, but that was just us. So everybody's different.

I mean, I love that and I agree with that. I'm just like, I want the raw fucking honesty. If you guys are going to your boys and going, man, this bitch is like, she wants that and she wants, sorry, my chick. She wants this and she wants that and I just don't give a shit and I'm tired of hearing about it. And honestly, I'd rather just run to Vegas and call it a day or if you enjoy the process of the thought of like a wedding.

A wedding doesn't equal a marriage. That's what we all know this, right? None of us have been married. Yeah, on that topic, I think I would want something smaller. It doesn't need to be something where you invite the whole town, right? I know you have an infinite number of friends, Kristen. So, I think it's hard to draw a line when it starts getting big. Like, people really feel excluded that are on those fringe friends if it's a big event, right?

If you keep it small, you keep the, you know, with your tightest circle, just have your family, your tightest friends, and everything, they're with you, even a destination thing, it's easier to not potentially piss off some friends. Does that make sense? That's the way my brain works with it. My ideal wedding, I have thought about this because we've talked about it plenty of Christen.

Mm-hmm. Is that we do a destination wedding of our family and closest friends, and then it rules right into the honeymoon. Because Luke just wants to go on a trip, and he doesn't care about other people, which is totally fair. I do, I mean, I care about other people.

I want my closest friends there. That's it though. It's just like, where do you cut, where do you draw the line? It just gets harder and harder with a bigger wedding. I think it really depends on the couple. I mean, if I, with my fiance, would've said, I want a huge giant wedding,

that's what I've always dreamed of. Cool. I mean, if that's what you want, I'm said, I want a huge giant wedding, that's what I've always dreamed of. Cool. I mean, if that's what you want, if that's going to make you happy, because we don't care. Shift to the woman, be like, hey, if it's going to make you happy, there's a lot more attention on the bride than there is the groom. I mean, they don't have a show called groomzilla, as it's bridezilla. I mean, it's a woman's big day.

So I get that. It's a lot. It means, yeah. So we need to pitch a show called groomzilla now. I think we need to catch We just make something. Yes, we're pointing this right now. Don't fucking take it away from us I'm gonna go to every producer I've ever worked with and I want to show called groomzilla's and Matt is going to be the host I'm down. That sounds amazing. Okay another question Do you either of you and or your friends

or like you both have a brother and you each have a brother, that your brother is married, both of you, right? So from a male's perspective and from your perspective, have you ever cared and do you care currently about marriage or babies first? Matt, have you ever like been like, I wanna get married, then have babies or have you ever liked been like, I want to get married,

then have babies, or has it kind of been like, whatever happens first, it's fine. I mean, maybe when I was younger, I was more worried about what the tradition is, but nobody does that. I mean, it's your life, do what you think, do what you feel, it's comfortable, screw tradition. I agree with Matt that it's 2023 and you don't have to follow the tradition. I do think that that is somewhat expected that you get married first, if the commitment to each other prior to having a child.

However, I've seen plenty of co-parenting relationships really work and even getting married after having a child. So it's not necessarily a shock on wedding if you get pregnant first. It doesn't have to be like you're pregnant. So all we have to get married. But at the end of the day, I think it's just all about mindset

because some people dive into marriage too soon and then they have children right away and then they end up divorced and a child at a very impressionable age goes through the effects of their parents getting divorced. Whereas if you're not 100% committed to being married for life, I think that having a child possibly before, if you're in the mindset that that child

is the most important thing to both of you, then it could be beneficial to the child to have a kid before you're married. Okay, so your answer is you're not sure. No, I'm saying, I'm saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying that it's situation to situation. I mean no shit, it's always situation to situation guys. I'm asking you for your fucking opinion.

So I'm going to give you an opinion of mine. I do not understand and no offense to anyone out there. Don't fucking come shame me early, hate on me. I'm just telling you, I don't understand anyone who can get married and not live together first. Or get married and not have sex first. I don't understand it. I get that it's like a religion thing, a belief thing.

Maybe it's in your family, whatever the fuck it is. Good for you. I bow down. For me, there's not a chance in hell. I need to know what I'm working with. I need to know if I have X about you in the bathroom or in the kitchen or are there things that are gonna make you unfuckable to me.

Like shout out to Jared Fried who we have on our podcast because his version of an X is, it's not just like a little annoyance. The X is like, you're unfuckable to me. That's how annoying your little ik is, right? So for me, if you don't live together and or have sex before you commit for life, you're gonna find fucking ik's like crazy

and then they're gonna be unfuckable to you. Am I wrong? How do you guys feel? Feel like I'm talking to a panel right right now. Let's go men. Tell me how you feel, Matt. It's a trial run. Live with the person first and figure it out. Figure out all your differences. Do you imagine like you get married, you don't live together and you move in and they like the house at 79 degrees and you like it at 65. And then you've got to try and make that work. No. No, you just triggered me so hard if I had to live with someone that kept the thermostat above 70. I mean, 68 is preference, but like 70. I mean, if they were like 71, I'm like, you can go straight to hell.

You can sleep outside. Like, I don't give a shit. I don't care if it's 95 or 30 outside. You like 79 degrees? It's 95. You're welcome. Go outside. So you're sleeping on the patio. This is how I get her up in the morning. I go and mess the thermostat. If I'm up before Chris and I turn it up to 72 and that's true because I literally do wake up and it's like 73 and number one, I hate odd numbers, but I also don't like anything above 70 and I do wake up and it's like 73 and number one, I hate odd numbers, but I also don't like anything above 70. And I do wake up and I'm like, why am I sweating? Absolutely, it's true. You said it's my subtle sneaky way to get you up

a little bit earlier. It's that so annoying. And I can't tell if you're telling the truth or not. I am telling the truth. But. Wait, what? Yeah. You're the devil. No, I'm not. I wanted to Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah. Ha ha ha. You're the devil.

No, I'm not. I wanted to call you a son of a bitch, which is like the meanest thing ever because your mom's awesome, but you're not. Right now in this moment. Wow. Wow. Guess who has the thermostat on their phone on an app?

Me. You should not have disclosed this information because now I will ruin you. I will make it 58 degrees and the apartment. Just kidding. Well, since I'm up earlier, usually. Suck my dick. All right.

Matt, back to your trial run. I like the way you worded that because I could not agree more. You have to live with someone to know the ins and outs their day to day. Their preference, like you just said, tell me some more, tell me more thoughts on that. Because like your wake up schedule, your sleep schedule, right? Dinner schedule. If your lives are compatible, and if not, if you can make it work and be compatible,

if you can both compromise and meet in the middle, or if you're both so bullheaded that you're stuck in your ways, he's stuck in his ways, this isn't going to work. Hey, now we know rather than, oh shit, we're married and we have kids now. I mean, ultimately every marriage is going to have hurdles to get over, right? This is just eliminating some of them before they happen if you can live together first. That's the whole point. That's kind of the whole point.

No, true. And so then can we jump to the sex thing, the sex before marriage? I understand in certain cultures and whatnot, that's, you know, it shard out like bow down to everyone. Like that is for you. I'm just, you're listening to my podcast because you want to know how I feel about things. If I don't have a test run with the penis or the hand or just the kissing or the vibe, the bedroom vibe, things are teachable, right? Nobody is, is unteachable, in my opinion, for the most part, if they're a wonderful human. Everyone can be taught how to be a little freaky deaky,

but you gotta find that out first before you're stuck with them for life. Like, what if this is like a five year commitment of teaching you how to use your own penis? Like, that's crazy. I agree. Yeah. I feel like I make a very valid point.

You do. I mean, I wouldn't marry someone without having sex first. Absolutely. You need to kind of explore that. I think I actually do have some friends that got married without having sex. Okay. And I want to hear about this because I don't know if I know anybody. And they have kids in a very happy life.

I don't know the ends and outs of their intimate side of their relationship, but I know that they both are very happy with where they are in life. Okay. I mean, so it can work again. It can absolutely work. It's all about personal preference, y'all.

Just for me, I just, I don't get it. I don't, especially the living together thing, like even Luke and I have been doing this living together, like sort of thing, you know. Matt, have you ever dated someone for a very long period of time that you did not live with? Um, my last ex, we didn't live together. She liked her house at 75 and I kept mine at 69. So that was the first thing. That was the sign she wasn't the one, man.

I saw that red flag at the start. That's one of the biggest red flags ever. It's like waving in your face. Like, no way. How long were you guys together? I don't know who you're talking about, but two, two years. So two years and not living together, that is something I've never done. So I have another question for you guys going back to our original conversation that just went to hell. But as far as like we're talking like engagements to marriages to like babies, whatever. So when you're in a serious relationship, I don't know why this like when I shower, I

like think of random things and I write them down. How do you feel and how have you felt in the past about your significant other reaching out to your family in times of stress or like you guys have a tiff and it's not you guys are not being you're not able to communicate about it. So like if Luke for you like if I were to reach out to like your sister or your mom Matt if your girlfriend, if you don't say whoever were to reach out to your brother, your mom, your dad, like, to ask for advice. Does that rub you the wrong way?

Or does it make you feel like, oh, that was nice, she cares about me, or is that just too intrusive? I think it depends on the situation, how long you've known them. Okay. So let's see. I'm curious. We're going to get there for almost five years.

And her and my mom were best friends. So we had to communicate about it and establish some boundaries. But also, my mom was pretty awesome. And she had to establish some boundaries with her. If you want to keep the civil, but if you're going to come to me in bad mouth, mad, I don't want to hear that. But if you want to talk about how he's being, like she's like, I know how much an asshole he can be.

I ask you to be in an amazing and emotional. Yes, okay, I will call it that. But no, I think it depends on the situation. My last sex, we were only the other for two years. No, I think that would be awkward. Unless you have a really... I feel like two years is a really long time, but she didn't have a relationship with your family is what you're saying. Yeah, she never got close with my parents and I wasn't really close with her either, so

that would have been an awkward try, there was to do that. Okay, because I'm going to tell you right now, like I've had boundaries put up against me before, from an exploit friends, like I love cleaning to, like I love the moms, especially of the guys that I date. I get very close to them. I love family, obviously, but I've definitely had a mom or two in my past of an exploit friend while we were dating who have had to set boundaries for me. Like, I would love nothing more than to talk to you about this,

but he would prefer not. I'm like, okay, I understand whatever. Fuck him. I think, so at this point, I don't feel like you're that close with any of my family yet. So I think it'd be weird at this point in our relationship if you reach out to them if you're in a t- I have text your little sister before. But not like to talk shit about you, but I've

just reached out. But not about like a fight or a tiff or anything. You and I we talk. But I would though, if I'm being honest with you, I would reach out to your younger sister if I didn't think I could get through to you and I would ask her like her best advice on how to talk to you. If I didn't think I could, would that rub you the wrong way and I would ask her, like her best advice on how to talk to you if I didn't think I could. Would that rub you the wrong way?

And Matt, would that rub you the wrong way? I mean, you kind of already said, you like that they would have a relationship but your mom also would set boundaries, which I think is super important because I think as someone who wants to be a mom, I wanna be that person in my dream world, right? The world, this world way out here, when I become a mom, I want to be that person, like in my dream world, right? The world, like, oh, this world way out here, when I become a mom, I want to be the person

that my kids can come to, that they're person that they're seeing, dating, whoever their friends can come to. But I do agree there has to be like boundary set. It's fair. Yeah. I'm not saying I'd be upset if you did. I'm saying that I think it was weird. I'm not mad. I be upset if you did. I'm saying that I think it was weird.

I'm not mad. I'm just fucking weird, dude. Yeah, exactly. I've said that to you before. Have you guys ever reached out to your significant others family before in any relationship? Whether it be a parent or a sibling, I will say my sister has been reached out to on be by every human I've ever become in contact with, to the point like my sister has been reached out to on be like by every like human I've ever become coming in contact with to the point where my sister's like I fucking hate these five people that are your friends because if they call me one more time to like tell me they're worried about you in the past she would be like fuck you that's my sister I know where I know where her heads at so it annoys my sister more than it annoyed me. I haven't reached out to it. You've never reached out to a girlfriend's family

to be like, oh, do you have advice for me? Maybe it's just a chick thing. I don't know. I'm asking you guys, because this is shit I've done. And we'll probably continue to do. But you're both looking with your head's cocked up at the ceiling. I wish I, like I'm gonna take a picture of of this, both like staring at the ceiling going, huh, guess I never

really thought about it that way. This is why I have this podcast. I want to hear the male's perspective. And you guys are not matching the way that I'm very, like, the way I'm feeling right now. No, I haven't. And I don't think, from my perspective, that would be all that productive. I guess maybe it's an ego thing that I would feel like I know you in this point in your life better than anyone else because I spend more time around you now. And I would take inventory of what's happened in the past and everything and come up with

my approach to it on my own. I may vent to my brother or our best friend about something that I'm frustrated about and try to kind of get their take if they've gone through something similar, but I'm not gonna go to your family. Yeah, so Matt, who do you vent to? I always find this fascinating, and Luke and I have touched on this before,

but I feel like I never get a real, I want a definitive fucking answer for you guys, both of you. When you are going through the shit with a girl you're dating, what do you do with it? Because we all know girls go to their friends. I go to my friends, I go to my sisters, sometimes my brother, what do you guys do? I go to my parents, couple close friends, you,

that's how you and I became close, is through your breakups and my breakups. Yeah, you were always a late night phone. I mean, guy members, several times, like we'd talk on the phone for hours, but you can go through a breakouts, yeah, you were always a late night phone. I mean, guy members, several times, like we'd talk on the phone for hours, but you can go through a breakout therapist. But yeah, really, really on my family, my brother, and my mom and dad,

because they all offer a different perspective. And it's a perspective you trust rather than just going to a friend, no matter how close maybe that friend is. Like a friend that you live near near who's a good friend, but it's not like being your best friend for like 15 years, right? Yeah, I'm a friend, call me out on my bullshit,

and not just exactly what I wanna do. Dude, that's something that we should talk about because that is something that I feel like is kind of rare out here as far as the people I've been around, people wanna surround themselves with the S people, and I love that I have a really close friend and my brother that I can vent to and they're going to set me straight. Like, you know, they're going to call me on my bullshit, be like, what would you do?

Let's get into the topic of platonic friends, like different sexes, different genders, whatever male, female, same sexual orientation, platonic friends. We talked about this, I think, on our first or second podcast. Like Ken, men and women actually be friends, or can two people, sorry, guys, men and women is what we're talking about, because we're a male and female podcast host, but can two people be friends that could be and or would be sexually attracted to each other is what we're saying? Is it possible? What do you think?

Okay, so my take on it is that yes, it can happen, right? It just takes some discipline and respect that discipline. I like it's the first word you use. No, it is because because I think most platonic male female relationships do stem from some degree of attraction. I'm not saying it's really powerful. I'm not saying you guys are necessarily right for each other, but it started with some degree of attraction. Do you have any platonic female friends you've never hooked up with who are not your friends significant other?

Yes. Okay. I love that. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And I've always had a female posting my friends throughout my life. And Luke, you? Yeah, same. Then to the note of what I was saying, I'm saying that they're maybe at the start, there was some attraction to that person. But as you get to know each other, you're like, we're better off friends, right? You support each other and what you do. You stay in touch. You give each other the perspective you want, you like YouTube. You talk through your breakups like,

what was this guy thinking? And you can get your male perspective, Kristen. And Matt, you're like, what was she thinking? Get it from Kristen. I have a very close friend that's married, has her first child. I love her to death. She's fantastic. We've been friends.

We've in high school. You've never kissed, up nothing. Nothing. Okay. I like that. Okay. I mean, it's fascinating because I think it is a really interesting question. It is and I don't think that's super common, but I don't know. I just think the popular thought is that it can't happen without there always being this sexual tension kind of hanging there. And I think it probably starts with some sexual tension, but it can be become a deeper friendship. Yeah, Matt, your thoughts. Your girl's guy, like I'm a guy's girl. Like I love having my dude friends. Like I like platonic dude friends, and I feel like you're the kind of guy who like really likes having female friends. Yeah, I like, I mean, I just enjoy people.

I enjoy witty blanter. I enjoy people that make other people laugh that you enjoy being around. So I don't care what your sex is. I don't care if you're gay. And half my guy friends are gay. Like, I don't care. Are you a good person? Are you fun to be around?

Do you make me laugh? Do you treat others good? Cool. And I don't care about the rest of that. Same bro, same bro. But I mean, oh, too, we we just see we're breaking the ice here. Because so Matt and I have been platonic amazing friends for, like I said, 40 years.

Just kidding, 20 years. However, I did have a crush on Matt when I, 2007 when I moved to LA, we had like one kiss. And then we, we hooked up before. We hooked up one time and we were both single and it happened and then we were like, okay, we're still best friends. And I think that's also strangely easy to do.

I don't, I don't actually don't know if it's easy to do. It was easy in this friendship. Have you ever done that before? Have you ever like hooked up with a girl? You were really good friends with and were you able to continue a friendship or did that kind of like messy things up? The closest thing for me there was girl in college that we I can't say we'd necessarily dated we sort of hooked up

like made out and fooled around but we never had sex. But did you like go on dates? Did you like hang out a lot? We had these fuck buddies. No, like I said we never had sex. It was like hook up buddies sorry. I mean we made out a lot of meetings. Fuck buddies. No, like I said, we never had sex. It was like. The hook up buddy, sorry. I mean, we made out a lot, but it didn't go further than that. And we stayed friends. We got a lot of things in common. And when she's married now, very happy. We stay in touch.

That's part of one of those things that sometimes you realize post attraction that you're better off friends. Did we did it make it messy for you guys at all? I don't think so. Okay, that's kind of what I'm asking. Like does it make things awkward? Like in both of you, but also like in your own personal lives, but also you guys have a lot of dude friends.

What are the dudes tell you guys? That's what I want to know. I will say that I have had a girl that's a friend first, and then you hook up and then you're not friends anymore. I've had that same situation as well. Do you think it's because of the hook up that you weren't friends anymore or just because? I think it's because somebody wanted it more than the other one. Okay.

It wasn't the same mindset. When you two hooked up, you said you guys were both on the same page the next day, like, they were better off friends. At least that's what I understand about the situation that hey, that was not like- It was just like we were both single. It wasn't fireworks. Yeah, it wasn't fireworks. It was like yeah, let's keep it simple, let's be friends. Yeah. And that what do you think? Like from your like and all of your time of dating, being single, like what's and being someone who is friends with a lot of like you have platonic girlfriends.

I mean, I've had this situation before where it has, you know, we were friends and then we did hook up and it made things weird. And we may have distanced each other for a while, but then came back to the other and talked about it and said, sorry, we shouldn't have done that. You know, I cherish our friendship. I still want to have you as a friend

and then just moving forward from there. And then I've had the girls that then start dating a guy and then I can tell the guy is not cool with me, which I completely understand, I respect it, but yeah, it's definitely possible. Have you ever hooked up with, or when I say hook up, I could be just a make out, right? I don't mean sleep together.

Make out plus with a friend and then just like never talked about it again, but you're still friends. Where you're just like, oh, we ain't a drunk make out, but let's like never talked about it again, but you're still friends. Where you're just like, oh, we ain't gonna drunk make out, but let's just never talk about that again, because I've done that before. And we just ignored it completely and then we're like still like really tight friends, because we're just like, anyway.

I think I'm too drunk to remember. I think I made out with some people when I was drunk. But say, friends, because it didn't really matter. I said, I don't know. I can't think of a specific situation, but I know there have been occasions where I may have made out with four or five girls in a night. And...

Looks like, oh, back in college. Yeah, definitely college. Back in the early arts. Late arts. What are you talking about? I went to college in 09. I know I was joking, it was sarcastic. Step into a world of non-stop action on DraftKingsCasino.

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Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca, different is calling. When you guys have your, when you're, when you got for boys night and you're like the wingman or like you guys are like drunk and you're talking about hookups and stuff. Look, what a boys talk about. Are they as a single, straight male, they're always asking, so are you going to do it? Or are you going to make a move? Have you made a move? What's happening? That's the conversation that's happening. Matt's not in his head, yeah.

Always ask that. So is that like pressure? Matt, is that pressure for you guys? Or are you just like, fuck off? No, I mean, I know who I am and my character and who I, you know, my French. I've had female friends my entire life that I haven't, that have been platonic, so I know I can do it, so.

Do you guys kiss and tell? Because obviously, we're not like in our 20s anymore. I know it's very different, but just thinking about from your 20s to your 30s and now Matt, you and I in the more 40s. Do guys talk about it? Absolutely. Wait, tell me more.

Yeah, we talk, guys talk about. Hope notes. Let's, let's fucking talk about this. This is so exciting. I want to hear shit. I'm not asking for anyone's names. Just, you know, like what, what kind of, tell me what the conversations are like.

I literally told Luke about my last sexual experience like hours after it happened. I woke up and told him. I said, that's very true, yeah. Yeah, I got the details. And that was a wild fucking story. Anyway. Okay, should be answers, yes.

Yeah, so usually it depends. Some guys do just put it on blast and they're willing to tell anybody, especially if they feel like they're bragging about a person that they hooked up with. I don't really do that either, go put it on blast, but my closest friends, I'll share that with them. Yeah, but is it like, oh man, I got another notch

on the bedposts. Hello, she was so fucking hot, her titties were big and bruh bruh bruh, or however guys tough. Sometimes, okay, I will say sometimes in some groups of guys, the story start happening and then you got it and then you don't have to, but you chime in with a story, right?

Yeah, you chime in with a story, there was this one girl. You're not gonna believe this, you know, and go and do it like that. But I definitely haven't put all my hookups on blast. I'm not like putting it on pedestal or making it this big trophy thing where it's like, I got more, I hit, you know, whatever. I've hit whatever number now.

It's not a competition, it's not. Oh, that's a good question. The wait, I already know Luke's answer, but Matt, and I'm not asking for the number, but do you know how many people you've slept with? Luke, do you know how many people you've slept with? No. I don't know how many, I'm not judging anyone. I have no fucking idea. I have a ballpark. I have a ballpark,

yeah. Well good for both of you. I sound like the whore here, not not not at all. I'm just I'm sexually free men and women alike. I don't know because I went and went up to some high school like after I lost my virginity and then I kind of had like a ho-face for a minute, and then I had boyfriends. So like during my ho-face, I was like, I don't fucking know. I just want male honesty here, okay guys? I went straight up male honesty. I don't want you sugar-coating shit.

I want you guys. Guys are just like girls, when you girls are together, and you're having a girls night, you talk about all that stuff, you turn into women and you talk about the way women do. Guys do the exact same thing. Talk about amazing breasts or great pussy. Yeah, we love abuse.

Yeah, we definitely talk about that. It's like, Luke, you just have the P word and you hate the P word. I don't hate the P word. I still use it much. You just said amazing pussy. What word makes you grossed out? Oh, I hate cock. I hate the word cock. It reminds

we have porn and no girl that I know of and definitely not me is ever having sex being like, I mean, got in love, you're a big fat cock. I've been told that gross. No, people don't talk like that in real life. So that is like a super hard heck of mine. And pussy, like the word pussy doesn't bother me, but in regards to like me having sex with someone, if I were having sex and it was like, oh my, yeah, I like your pussy. I would be like, oh my god, it just closed up

and now it's sewn up like stitches, like super glue. She's not coming back. She is closed up like a fucking fist. She's not complete. She is, she is closed up like a fucking fist. That's not cute. I am not your, you're bang buddy. And that's just not how I roll. You know what I hate the most? Gaping hole.

She hates that word and watching football. Not if football seasons back. There's a gaping hole on the left side. Kristen just rolls her eyes. Oh, it's so fun. You should have never told me that. And now I cannot wait to watch football with you because I'm saying it every chance that I get.

I cannot handle when they say gaping hole. I just think of the grossest porn I've ever accidentally watched. Yeah, accidentally. Like, you click on something, and then all of a sudden it's just like a giant butthole, and they're like gaping hole. Like, what? Oh, God. This is not fun for me, guys. something and then all of a sudden it's just like a giant butthole and they're like gaping hole. Like, what?

Oh God, this is not fun for me, guys. I hate you. So beyond. I am now regretting this entire episode, but also hashtag loving it. Okay, wait, I have a couple more questions really fast. How do you guys feel about Kelsey and Taylor Swift possibly being a couple? Travis Kelsey and Stephanie. about Kelsey and Taylor Swift possibly being a couple? Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. Word on the street is that there are a couple and he gets to enjoy his knee being fucked up

because he's dating Taylor Swift and word in my girls league. I fantasy league with all women, by the way, everyone I have three leagues. But word on my fantasy league is that it's gonna be like hashtag Brittany Mahomes, hashtag T-Swift all season long. I'm actually kind of looking forward to a football reference in a T-Swift song. I think that will help. Oh.

So. Oh, that's a fucking good point. If she Taylor writes a fucking song about Travis Kelsey, I will lose my mind because Travis Kelsey is my hall pass That's hilarious. Luke, who's your hall pass? Well Taylor, she looks one of mine. No, she went since my sentence in one second ago. Since I decided it. Every time I ask about a hall pass, he's like, baby, I don't need a hall pass, because I have you. Oh my god. No, that's not true. I'm like, how about Margot Robbie because she's also my hall pass.

Look, the one time I said Taylor Swift, Kristen's like, I, no, that's not true. I'm like, how about Margot Robbie because she's also my hall pass. Look, the one time I said Taylor Swift, Kristen's like, I will help facilitate that. Yeah, just so I can be closer. Exactly, it's what we are. So I'm like, okay, that's one of them that she can just like hang out over here in the Impossible Halt House. Nice try.

Matt, could you help pass? He's single, he doesn't have a hall pass. Are you there Margot Robbie or Kieran Knightley? Oh, Kieran Knightley used to be one of mine too. You know, I'd still say Jennifer Anson. Oh, hey. She still does. I mean, she's so hot.

So Matt, we actually have a, we got an awesome question for you here to wrap this up. We do have one last question. And I actually don't know my answer. So I'm going to go last. All right. You understand? We can try.

I would do anything for the last. What fucking cure we end? I don't know keys. And I would do anything for love, but I won't do. What? Well, I think we already covered. I wouldn't date you if you keep your thermostat above 70. That's a fucking good one. And if you keep it at 70 and you like Nickelback,

get the fuck out of my face. Oh my god, you just wait. No, I don't know what mine's going to be because... Oh, that I still your Nickelback? Well, no. I mean, you did after you said it. Yeah. Okay, I know mine.

Okay, I have mine. Luka. I would do anything for love, but I won't do cats and no dogs. No, that's. Luka. I would do anything for love, but I won't do cats and no dogs. That's a boring one. I'll do anything for love, but I want to creed. With a home, a lot of open. Yeah, no creed.

And then I also am latching onto your no-nickle back and no thermostat above 70 degrees. And no dittling my butthole. I don't mind dittling in my butthole. Sometimes. Anyway. Well, Matt, I love you so much. And thank you for coming on and being my BFFs. And I thank you for coming to California

twice in the last three weeks. And I can't wait to come see you in Colorado soon. Because guess what, y'all? Luke and I are taking this shit on the road and we're going to Colorado. Can't wait. You said it right. We're going to leave him like a week or two. And we're going to hit the road.

We're going to do like Colorado, Indiana, Michigan. We might like stop along the way and just do this whole crazy trip with our podcast equipment. Yes. It's definitely going with us. So can't wait. And you guys just to wrap this up, I mentioned my good old buddy,

Rappaport on the last episode, and he and I were texting tonight. Rapps, I love you, and he will be recording with me in the next couple of weeks. And Luke and I, again, will be recapping Bachelor in Paradise and Golden Bachelor coming up soon. And yes, I see all of your messages about recapping

manifold rules starting at season two. Luke has convinced me we should definitely do this. So we'll get back on that as well. And then yeah, we just we have so many other guests that are really awesome and we're really excited and we love you all and thank you for being patient with us this summer with all of our trips because we've just we had to lag for like a few weeks. We did, but we're back. We're going to go back to two episodes a week very soon and can't wait to keep him coming and hear from you and the emails. Can't wait to talk some shit, guys. So send us all your emails and rate us five stars and rate five stars and mat a single and you live in Denver. So if you guys want to date mat, then you can DM me at Kristen Dodeon Instagram.

Matt, drop your socials if you want. Are you a public on Instagram? Yeah, it's at mjizzle53.com. I go by MJ. That's where the MJ's all comes from. Yeah, he likes to be called MJ, like that. But so everyone follow, yeah, and I will I'll put this at the bottom. Matt, you're gonna get so many chicks just like going bananas for you. I love you so much. We can't wait to talk to you guys next week. Love you, love you, love you, and we will see you soon. Bye. Thanks Matt.

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