Shawn Ryan Show - #23 Luis Chaparro - Inside the World's Deadliest Cartel

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

After being embedded with the Sinaloa Mexican Drug Cartel, Luis Chaparro an investigative reporter brings us some very eye opening insight on what they have been up to. He informs us of a new drug which the cartels are introducing into the United States and Canada that is more addictive and more deadly than fentanyl. He also was able to witness one of the Sinaloa Cartel's Tactical Training camps, describing exactly what they go through.   Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website - https://www.shawnryanshow.com Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnryanshow Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shawnryan762 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why do you go and talk to them? What do you risk your life going to them? I'm not stupid. I get scared as well. I get, I mean, I'm a, it's not like I don't get scared and I want to go with them. How do you get to fucking scared? It's scary to be around because you never know what's going to happen.

Yeah, I mean, I think a most people think that a heroin addict is a bomb on the street. Heroin addicts are doctors, lawyers, dentists, cops, everybody. That was a setup. That was a... I mean... China is trying to achieve global domination and they're going to achieve it. It's sophisticated and it's smart. These car tells us to be

they're inserting these chemists. A source told me that there's a new thing a thousand times more powerful than fentanyl. And it's hard to even find a new, I had to call a doctor, call a proper chemist to learn about those stuff and it's called... Luis! Right? How you doing man? Good man.

It's great to see you again. It's good to have you back. I mean it seems like it was a long ago, but it wasn't even that. I think it was only like six months. Yeah. Is it six, nine months? Six, nine months? Six, nine months.

It felt like a lot. Well, you're going to be the first person to officially be on the show two times. I really appreciate that, man. That's interesting. Especially because of these few months, I've been doing a lot of stuff. I really appreciate that man. That's that's interesting. I'm especially especially because of these few months I've been doing a lot of stuff. Yeah, you've done so you've done so when you're a recent trip to Mexico you went and you want to offend an all lab where they turn is it paste?

It's a pills. These blue M30 pills. but they turn the paste into the pills that are right. The best, the best, the, the, the paste. And basically get it ready for export. Yes. And you went to the Sonola cartels training camp, tactical training camps, where they're, how long are they? Just for a night. Just for a night. And then you partied with one of the head haunches.

Yes. My birthday is January 19th, so I happened to be on my birthday on my 35th birthday in Inkulia Cantina Lua, and I ended up partying with some of the mayo sambara people, and that was pretty interesting. Yeah. I mean, not as interesting as I thought it was gonna be, because they're still regular people. But it was interesting to hang out with these guys, you know, especially on my birthday. Yeah. That was crazy.

Well, something you did do to prove that you were down there, which I wasn't sure how I kind of, I was like, oh man, you put my vigilance elit swag on cartel and I was like, man, that's cool. He's really down there doing it. But I was like, the cartel is roughing my brand right now. But I appreciate it, I appreciate it for what it is. It was just only, I was trying to do like a joke between us, you know?

I never published that because I don't know if you wanted to be, you know. You will feel that way, like, okay, my brand needs now associated with those guys. And it was something just because I had the hat on that day, that night, when we went out. I took it to Kuljakán and one of the guys was asking like, man, they're gonna know me because of my hair, one of the cool guys in the Defental app. He asked me for sunglasses, which I didn't have, but another man there had like dark sunglasses, and then he asked me for the cap. And I was like, you know what? This might be interesting. So yeah, by all means, I'm gonna go ahead. And I never, they don't even tell him what the brand was about

or anything. Oh, it's just like, have it. You like it and it's like, man, this is pretty good. This is, and he saw like, I don't know if the, I don't know if the tag and he was like, this is a pretty good one. And I'm like, you can keep it. So, another, no, I'm just,

I'm featuring Sal elite cap around that. Yeah. No, no worries. At first I was I was like, Oh, this party isn't going to go good. But you know what? Like I appreciate, I appreciate, I appreciate it. And that people take it the wrong way that's on them. Yeah. I mean, I mean, and it was only, you know, man, to make like a like it was, it was completely on planned.

He wanted to have a cap because of his hair. Yeah. He had a collar hair. And I just like thought it was gonna be funny. So that's why I didn't post it anywhere. I just like send it out to you. You know, like I meant. I'm gonna put it up right now.

Okay, that's so cool. Yeah, I'm gonna put it up right now. And in sense you gave all my swag away to cartel members I got you a little Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I Was just telling you I have the I had a bunch of stickers all over my laptop and some of the people now is getting to Well, I was always very praise at the airport and I was like oh now is getting to, well, I was very surprised at the airport in El Paso. I was like, oh, you're going to the show?

And you said, you're a friend, and I'm like, I'm actually going on the show. And he's like, no way, I follow that guy. I think he was a CBP officer at the airport and he was like super stoked to Bob, your show. That's awesome. That's pretty cool. Man, this gummy bears.

Well, if he's still there when you get back, tell him I said hello. Yeah, definitely. That's awesome. That's pretty cool. Man, this gummy bears. Well, if you're still there when you get back, tell them I said hello. Yeah, that's I'm gonna hide this from my kid, man. Give them for myself all the bags and thanks for I promised this Hey, whatever you need to do with it, but get you out of a pinch. Use it. This will not end up with Cartel Hansen. No worries. Thanks. Thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate to use it. This will not end up with Cartel Hansen. No worries. Thanks, thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate it. Yeah. But before we kind of dive deep into what you've been doing, I'd like to...

So Patreon are my top supporters, and they basically support us, and that's what enables us to do the show and everything that we're doing. So I promise them that I will ask a question. And then after this, if you're okay with it, I'd like to do a full Q&A. They got a ton of questions for you. Sure, man. But I thought this one was pretty good.

This is from Jonathan Bush. And basically what he's asking is how many regular folks and Cinellooa are dependent on the cartel for jobs, especially the nonviolent jobs. And then he wants to know if the cartels in any way are helping the locals down there by building schools or anything of that nature. Sounds like, are they doing kind of like what Pablo Escobar used to do back in the 80s? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to tell how many of them are but I can tell you there are a lot of people rely on cartel jobs as you might know

Mexico's not doing great economically. There's a lot of Like bad paid jobs, you know on the paid and and there's there's no lot of jobs That's that's why many many people is trying to get into the US as well. We saw an economic migration back in the 2000s and I was coming to Lover again because of the lack of jobs in Mexico. But because what cartels are stepping in

to feel that gap of jobs and they're paying not too bad. I mean, they're paying way better than a factory or whatever regular job you can get in Mexico. Of course, it has a lot of risks embedded with it, but there's a lot of people, especially Sinhaloa and Náu Michoacán. Those places men are filled with non-violent jobs, which might mean they have these guys called operators.

And what they do is they listen to radio frequencies from the police or from Mexican military. And they reply, they record all frequencies, the whole messages. And they keep repeating that on to cartel frequencies. And that's in an office, you know, with weather and everything good, and they get paid well. They get like a thousand pesos a month, which is, I mean, it's shitty, but not too bad for an unadicated Mexican. A thousand pesos a month will be about 250 dollars. It's about 500 dollars.

Okay. It's dollars. So, I mean, a month it's not too bad for an unindicated Mexican in rural areas. It's actually pretty good. Alconist, this guy, so are basically lookouts, just stepping in heels and waiting there for months, reporting everything they see around. Money launders, the people who take out money from extortion or kidnappings, they paid like 20% of the amount of their ransom.

Usually women, usually old women can go into a, like a money express or that kind of stuff But they can get out money and then break it to the cartel There's a lot of there's a lot of that stuff going on even even people who has like small restaurants And they have to take out food for a big army out in the woods in Michoacano, in Sena Loa They get paid well because I mean they get compensated on top of their payment for the service of food, you know. So there's a lot of people that it's that relies on that. So the cartels are actually boosting the economy? Yes, they are a lot. What would a, if a baseline low-level cartel job, nonviolent, pays $500 a month. What would a baseline civilian,

somebody making an honest living, you know, without being associated with the cartels? What would that be a month? Like a baseline? I think a month it would be like $200 to $150 bucks. You know what I'm saying? I mean, in Mexico. So I double under-income.

Yes, in Mexico you can consider wealthy if you're earning 30,000 pesos, which is 1500 bucks a month. That's that's like though, you know, you rank as wealthy. So imagine that I mean it you can't make a leaving out of 1500 bucks in the US, you know, it's too low. So low for an income. But that means that you're kind of wealthy in Mexico if you aren't that. So, yeah, I mean, imagine that, I'm talking about like someone who's studied and has a university and works at a proper place, maybe in government or some stuff like that. There will be the top one percent. Exactly.

Wow. There's a lot of people obviously earning much more than that, like business owners, but that's like the average. Like the average people who has a family and everything, it's around 1500, 2000 bucks a month. Hey guys, let me take just a minute to tell you about our sponsor BetterHelp. BETT ERHELP. Is something preventing you from achieving your goals, after years of driving to a therapist's office once and sometimes twice a week for years, I was able to work past some of my anxieties that were holding me back. That was the only option

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very many options when it comes to the job market. Exactly. And the other thing that he asked is if they're helping out people, and I mean, I wouldn't really call that help because it's coming from the bottom of the place, from the bottom of the, I mean, the same harm harm they're doing that's it's unbalanced with the help there. I would call it like one aid maybe and it's a strategy I mean it's not even that they're building schools because every every Christmas for example

they will take out food on these nice baskets of food with a message from El Mencho, from Carpli Calisco de la Generación, or from Mayo, San Bada, or even behind bars from a Parmol Chapel. And also, these baskets fill with meat and cans of food and some money, you know, there is a meal, best of 3,000 bucks, which is a run of 150 bucks. And I would say like, that will go to the rural areas and deliver a bunch of those baskets. And so like, this is from Daviechon, you know, this is from the boss. No.

It depends on the policies around the area. So, he's one in hearts and minds. Yes. Very old tactic. Very old tactic. They're trying to earn social basis, and to take it away from government, that's basically what they do.

What do the locals think of that? Do they fall into it? Yes. Yeah, you have to know that most Mexicans around rural areas like that, they're not as educated to know that that's a tactic, that that's it's a plan. They just think that these people, they're doing harm, but they're not harming us, you know, they feel like, okay, we know they are at war with the government, but they are earning social bases, because

most of these people think like, you know what, the military, what is the military doing for us? Nothing. They just come here, Kilos, Beatas, Robas, the disguise are actually bringing in help. They build a school. They're giving baskets in Christmas, baskets in, I don't know, in every holiday, protecting us, taking care of us. That's the feeling that happened. That's obviously dangerous for any country in the world. Because that's how insurgencies are born, basically. Yeah. Well, let's dive in. What do you want to start?

What did you do first? In Kuljakan. Kuljakan. Well, what I did was I was trying to put up a story about these blue peels, these M30 blue peels popping up in the US, that they used to be heroin pills and now they are switching to phantom. Many of the people, many of the users, they don't even know that there's phantom now, which is like a thousand times more powerful than heroin. So there's a lot of overdoses all over the US because of these blue pills.

Canada too. Canada too. Yeah, it's getting more robust as well. So I wanted to learn like what? Who's making these pills? What's in and why? How did they learn to switch from heroin to fentanyl? So I called my source in in Goliacan and asked him like if I can embed with him and he told me one thing that now things are different in Goliacan with El Chapo out and with the US raising the amount of the of the rent of the money they want for each of the son-to-pew chapel and also for the brother of the chapel and for Maya San Bada. So the US is stepping off and at least sending out a message that they're going after them. So it's only like this time it's different. This time you won't see, you know, the lambo's out in the street, all the flashy people. You won't see like the orange people just like driving a pickup trucks and the and the labs because the

last time I was there they had like a huge lab in outdoors and remember we shared that. The last time now everything is inside and small apartments, residential areas, you know, they have a facade, you know, like the cook, the cook has to make it seems like he has a family. So his wife gets, his wife gets home every night, they bite over neighbors so they know that nothing's going on in that residential area, but behind doors, they're cooking. So are you saying that they've moved everything from out in the woods or out in the bush to endorse or this is the next step in the process? No, they moved everything. So it's complete. They've already restructured their entire fentanyl operation.

Yeah, the entire criminal operation, everything. Now the order is like you cannot go out with a lambo, you know, with flashy cars. Everybody's gonna move in Nissan versus, like, family cars, like that. If you want carry weapons, you're not gonna allow, unless you're doing an operation, you're not gonna allow to go out with a case in the streets. You're gonna have a handgun, like a nine-millimeter or some stuff like that.

Laboratories are gonna be indoors and smaller quantities, but more laboratories. They've moved it completely underground. It's on the ground, yes. Well, looking at this new operation, it looks a hell of a lot more sophisticated than what you showed us last time. Definitely, man.

I mean, it feels less sophisticated because of course, when you have a footage from a lab outdoors, which is like a huge dab cooking out of a huge pot. And now you go to a house and have like a this small pot and they're just like one cook there. And you will see it seems like, nothing's really happening here. This is not even attractive for news, you know, because it looks like very small But when they tell you like we have lab here and then another there and then another one there and another one there

And you see like they have up over 200 fucking labs around the city You know like wow, this is even a vegan operation But just very fragmented and that that works as well for them because if they get a lab They won't lose that much money. You know, they'll just move to another location and They will only lose one lab out of a fucking 200 so that works for them. Man these guys are good Yeah, they move quick. They move fast Yes, and and they show me a voice message they got from what they say was like,

a horn, which is mayo, sambada. I can't corroborate it was a mayo, but he's people were talking that this was a message recently from a mayo calling everyone because they said like, I don't want to see you with cameras. I don't want to see you with cameras. I don't want to see you posting stuff in social media and paying you to be wires to cook and not to be YouTube stars. So he prohibited all cameras around the place, so like videos and clips. So that was targeting me directly. That was affecting me directly when I did this last time I was there. So they were like pretty nervous, pretty skeptical about taking me out there with a camera. So what they wanted to do

is we're gonna record everything on my cell phone and then share it to you. And I'm like, now that's not gonna work for me, I need to be able to record at least on my own phone. And they said, okay, after negotiating a bit. But yeah, apparently, if they don't want anybody, if they don't want any of this getting out, why would they allow you? How does it work? When you call your contact, is that run up the chain to, is that, is that basically run through an approval process? Yes. Different levels have to approve that you're coming in. Exactly, but not all the way up.

Otherwise, I will never be able to go inside on these operations. These guys trust me because I've been talking with them for eight years now. They know I'm not putting them at the risk. I'm never sharing their information. I'm never sharing their names. They're whereabouts. I just go for what I, for what I go. And when they say something like,

you know what, leave this out, or can you change my voice, or can you hide my face? Because I notice you move the cell phone and then you caught it a little bit of my face. I will just do it, you know, because I don't wanna be in black terms with them, especially with something that it's not going to be useful.

I mean, I wouldn't be any of any use to me to share who these guys are. Everybody knows the military, the other traffickers knows who these guys are and they're still operating and that's for a reason. They have their own arrangements and I'm not going to get in the middle of that shit, you know. I just want to tell a story and say like this is the reality when you're talking about fentanyl This is what you're getting when you're using M30 pills. This is how they're made I had because I posted the video on on my channel like a small video and And I had a guy said like man, I think I'm stopping using that stuff now that I know exactly where it is shit coming from. Wow.

It looks like all like super unhealthy, of course. What, uh, I'm just curious before we dive into production. Um, are they aware that this footage is going to be on this show? Not, not specifically on this show, but they know that I was gonna share that for news. Did they see your last show here? They see, they saw that, yes, I mean many of them don't speak English. They just asked me what was that about, and I told them that this was a YouTube channel. I of course told them that you had an extensive background in military, and that was pretty cool. And they were like, my guy was like,

do you think it's striking you when you come here? And I'm like, no man, I don't think so. And he was like, okay, I like it. And obviously they asked questions, they asked me like, why are you doing, what is this for? Like the German that I met recently, and we went to Kuljakan and they had her investigated you know because I told them like they're Germans that they came back at me and said like well they're Germans but they live in the US man

they're not Germans they're from the US and I'm like oh shit how do you know that and I'm like we investigated that who were they? And they're like, we've basically got it that way. And yeah, they're out of Washington DC. And I'm like, well, it seems like you have a good team to research, you know. So yeah, I mean, they know that I, that I obviously, if I go there and I have my phone out, that's for sharing, you know. And yeah, because a lot of stuff they ask me to leave out,

a lot of stuff. And sometimes I push the line, you know, sometimes I do push the line. So like, Hey, man, I need to record it. And they're like, no, no, no, and I'm like, man, trust me on this one. I'm not going to share location or anything like on my way there. They're like, no way you can film your way there. And I'm like, yeah, but I need some roadshodes, you know, to add it on my story. And they're like, you can do that somewhere else, but not here.

Interesting. Okay. So sometimes I have to, you know, do roadshod not there, but on any other highway. Yeah. So yeah, interesting. What? Let's get into production. Yeah. So first, the first place I went into was a so-so-a-cellular residential house. We went in by night, like 10 p.m. and they had everything set up that first in that first laboratory. It was not a laboratory properly. That was first like a packaging station. They have everything sealed back to you back You know, they had some the turgent to wash the bags that they won't smell have a bunch of different stuff And the cooks explain me that all everything that he was packing there was going to go to the border of Mexico

Or Tijuana to get smuggling to San Diego, Calexico, and then away up into the US. So I asked many questions down there, like, why did you start doing this job? And he was like, well, I'm an engineer and I don't get that much of a money from being an engineer. And then a friend of mine who was into this, he told me that I was gonna get him, if I wanted to get involved in cooking pills, that was not dangerous, that I'm not gonna be on the front lines

or I'm involved in any violent environment. Did you say cocaine pills? And all fentanyl pills. I might have said cocaine pills, right? No. Do they have cocaine pills? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. No fentanyl, I'm 30s. So he was like, and how much are they going to pay? And they paid him around 500 grand a month, which is not bad. $500,000 a month. No, I'm sorry, no 5,000. 5,000? 5,000 bucks a month. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, it's not bad.

In Mexico, that's like 10,000, 100,000 pesos a month. It's doing well, man. I mean, that's a lot of money for a Mexican on his level. So they brought in a Chinese chemist, same story as the other lab I went, the last, the last time they told me again about these Chinese chemists coming over. But apparently the other chemists who came over

was teaching them to lace fentanyl with heroin. The quantities and how to take care of fentanyl and all that stuff. But right now they teach him how to do pills, how to press pills, how to test them for quality, all that stuff. So, and I was like, how did that happen? And it's like, well, we had a translator between us. This chemist was here for about three months, just showing me the process. He was like, you don't get to ask questions, you just get to see and stay put. So I learned and took notes for three months, and after three months, he was like, okay, now he's your turn to cook.

I'm not going to say anything, I'm not going to answer questions. You're going to do a batch and we we're gonna send it over to the US. And if it works and if the people gets, we get a good feedback, then you're set and the Chinese chemists are. And he started cooking and apparently they set off his package to the US. He made it well.

They got feedback that pills were good. And he was like, OK, now you're or cook now. Man, are these is a whole another team of Chinese chemists? No, it's a whole other team. Yes, a whole different group. Yes, then the ones, then the ones that the one I told you last time, right? Yeah, the outdoors thing. Yeah, that was completely different team. Are the, sorry, what is the pill M 35? M 30 M 30. Are those straight fentanyl? Straight fentanyl. Yes.

So they went from lacing heroin to fentanyl. So now it's straight fentanyl. Straight fentanyl. Yes. And this is all basically derived from China. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've got a great long game. Yeah, man. I mean, it's, it's interesting. They don because they don't they don't see they don't really see the long run They don't see the whole situation there because I was like

Why China why Chinese and I'm like, I don't know. I'm just falling orders my boss got a hook of a man in China I'm like how how does he get a hold of a chemist in China All the way from Sinhaloa does he get a hold of a chemist in China all the way from Sinaloa and he's like apparently a military, a Mexican military member told him that this military member was posted in Mancineo, which is the main port of imports from China, where the big containers come from China, it's Mancineo, Kolyma, which is that fucking war right now? And no wonder why. So this military was set up in that port.

And he somehow met this Chinese organization bringing in precursors. That was a set up. That was a set up. I mean, that was a set up. China is trying to achieve global domination and they're going to achieve it. And it's exceeding. I mean, because you got to think there's chemists all over the world, all over the world. It can't be that hard to find somebody that knows how to make fentanyl.

I don't imagine it would be easy, but you don't have to go all the way across the world to find the chemists. They're inserting these chemists into Mexico knowing that it's killing the population of the United States and Canada. Yeah, because those are the guys like in charge of telling Cougs the quantities. And if the quantities are killing people in the US, that means the fucking quantities of the drug are being controlled by China. They come here and they say like, okay, you put

this much amount of fentanyl and then you put this much amount of acetone and this much amount of alcohol and this much amount of something to make the paste, the camera met what was that. And then you add the color, the blue vegetable color to make the pill, because different markets asks for different colors. Like Chicago apparently they don't like that blue. They are used to like sort of like a

greenish peel. So they add like more yellowish and then blue. And they're cooking for Los Angeles market. They will say like okay they want it like dark blue. So we're gonna add like more blue. So they have the whole. So they so it's. It's the exact same It's the exact same Substance, which is different colors different colors because because if people in the streets see like they used to a greenish peel Then they they see like a pink one. They was like nah, I don't know what this is and let's start getting suspicious of the peel And not selling enough so they have to know exactly which one can use to which color you So well that makes sense. So, you've mentioned there's what, 200 labs,

ish, estimate 200 labs and where were you? One city, Kuljakan, which is not even that big of a city, you know. So is each lab in charge of like a different city? No, I think each lab, it's for a whole organization which is the Mayosan by the organization. Okay, well there's another one which is in a local cartel as well which is the faction of those chapitos, the chapos sons, they're kind of like fighting to who's going to get on top of the chain of the scene in a local cartel. But now the US raising the the But now the US raising the Stunc Albrans from Hollywood College of the Rewar for those chapitos and for the Mayasambada, that kind of like make them stick together again.

They were like starting a fight and now that action was like okay, we'll fight later, let's stick together to survive this. And you cook your own thing, I'm gonna cook my own thing So they started like cooking but we're talking about each day every day He's working to produce 50,000 peels 50,000 each day one thousand pills today one lap times 200 Mm-hmm. I don't I have no idea what that is. I have no idea either but that's

that's why the US is getting these huge busts and that might be only 10% of the whole you know pills coming over the border at least that's what that what what a CBP office are told. Do you have a calculator? My phone. 50,000 pills a day times 200. Money. 50,000. Tom's 200. That's 10 million. Times 365. That's an number that I'm even going to get.

That's like 3 billion in that amount. 3,650 million fentanyl pills a year from one small city. Yeah. They're cooking all over Michoacán, Coalima, Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua. We're cooking all over. And I mean, I could think that Culecan might be one of the biggest producing cities. That's only me thinking because that's where the organization is based. There's only 352 million in the US.

Yeah, people. There's only 352 million in the US. Yeah, people. But addicts, they don't use just one pill a day, you know, they use two or three pills a day. And I mean, I'm guessing there's a lot of more pills stashed for years. No stashed houses to keep flowing. You know, wow. And we're talking about a problem. That's a major problem.

That's huge, man. That's huge, that's huge fucking contamination to a whole country. Yeah, I mean, I think a most people think that a heroin addict is a bomb on the street. Heroin addicts are doctors, lawyers, dentists, cops, everybody. Everybody's hooked on this shit. Yeah.

You know, it's, you probably bump into 50 of them a day. You know, they're working, my point is they're working professionals. This is killing everybody. Killing everybody, man. And it's, and it's a start. Yesterday before, not the on Monday, I talked to an organization that helps addicts in Diwana. And what they do is basically they deliver, they deliver needles, clean needles to addicts. So they say like, we're're not gonna stop this. So we're just gonna share some clean needles so people stop getting infected by a lot of stuff, you know. And by doing that, they also did a research and they gather all needles from addicts and during seven months.

And from all the needles they gather in Dihuana, 70 to 80% had traces of fentanyl. We're talking about, they don't even know, they think they're shooting heroin. We're talking about the drug that stays in Mexico, that don't even make it across the border and they had to sell it. Most of the drugs that the Mexican government sees and sell back in the street, they sell it back to cartels. So imagine how many heroin lot of loan fentanyl appeals is getting into the US laced with fentanyl. Wow. I've been reading a lot about cocaine laced with fentanyl, weird laced with fentanyl. I haven't found no real evidence that that is happening. When I

talk to labs, cartels, organizations helping addicts themselves, law enforcement, I only get positive response from law enforcement in the US, that they found cocaine laced with fentanyl, which doesn't really make sense to me, to be honest, and doesn't make sense to anyone, but to law enforcement in the US. So I guess it's a way that we're trying to scare people out of several drugs. See, they can deescalate the consumption of drugs. That's my thought. That's my take. But what I have seen personally and learned from a lot of contacts is heroin-laced with fentanyl. And in only one city in Mexico,

70 to 80% of the heroin was laced with fentanyl. So that's a huge problem. And just today, a source told me that there is a new thing a thousand times more powerful than fentanyl. And it's hard to even find it in the news. I had to call a doctor and I had to call a proper chemist to learn about those stuff. And it's called, I can't even remember the name,

but it's called like, need the son or need the son or something like that, I'll share that with you so we can keep an eye on that because apparently that's a new wave. So this is someone from heroin to fentanyl to this and it's a stuff that I've been talking about. And now that we're just starting. You know, I mean, it's horrible that this is happening, but I mean, you have two different organizations, both getting a win here. You have China, who wants to weaken the United States population, which is happening at a record base. And then you have them utilizing the cartels and the cartels get the money.

Yeah, exactly. So it's two goals being achieved at one time, definitely, man. Cartels are making tons of money. I'm telling you, one of these pills is the production cost is 50 US cents and that's it that's it and they're selling it for around four to five dollars each bill. Wow so the margin of each bill it's huge imagine three three billion pills a year costing each pill five bucks that's a lot more. So our needles become an obsolete. Needles, I'm not necessarily because there's a lot of people still using heroin and shooting up heroin with fentanyl, even if they don't know or they do know. Because there are some addicts that they know it's placed with fentanyl and they like it better because it's stronger so they have to use less and have like a longer hype or high.

So there's a lot of people that they don't know and they keep shooting it as if it was regular heroin and they pass out and they fucking die. I mean, this year alone I think the US had what, over a hundred thousand deadly overdoses. I'm better to tell you a lot more than that. I'm familiar with the numbers, but... It's something I'm not those fucking numbers. And imagine that.

I mean, scaling the whole fucking population, but at the same time, is getting a whole country addict that addicted to a substance they control. So if they imagine what's going to happen if they caught supply, fucking revolution is kind of popping the US man. There's a lot of people already hooked up on this stuff. So yeah, it's crazy and it's dangerous and it's very profitable for Mexican criminal organizations, which I'm not calling them drug cartels anymore. I decided not to call them drug cartels. So they are like doing everything else but drugs. Drugs is just one part of their funding,

you know, to keep funding themselves. Would you say that's the top funding? Would you say that's the top funding their main source of revenue? No, I think I think their top funding will be getting around politics Setting up politicians and getting money from the corruption basically that's that's them they're making Funding right now. How are they making money from that because there was, there was a time like maybe 10 years ago when they were still drug organizations that they will get money from a politician to let them alone and let them work and, you know, like, transit drugs through their city or stuff like that.

So they paid the politicians. They used to pay politicians. They used to, you know, like, bribe politicians basically. So like, okay, I'm gonna, so that was, uh, that was not an income. That was an outcome. You know, that was like, okay, I'm losing money to pay politicians. They'll allow me to keep making money. Now, it's the other way around. Now, they have control, the whole fucking country. And now, they're saying, like, we had elections, I think last year or two years ago. And we had over 150 candidates killed during elections.

150 politicians killed in a single election period. That was only because Cartel wanted to set up their own people. And that was a show of force. Like, if you're not stepping out, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave you out of the equation by killing you and setting up my own people. So now they're setting up their own people, their own majors, their own governors, their own chief of police, so they don't have

to pay them anymore. So they're like, okay, you don't like it. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Now what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna set you up as a governor of this state and we're gonna do business both of us You're gonna give me all contracts for a construction for road work for building Government buildings all the contracts will imports exports all of the government contracts We're gonna give them to me. I'm gonna handle that and that's making them shit tons of money Because they're getting all government contracts Wow, who's gonna fight that? I wonder if the United States is gonna follow suit with that I just did an interview about all these all these politicians that are being paid off by China. Yeah, I wonder if that's what comes next

I don't know man. I don't know, but it's it's it's it's getting out of hand It's I mean where where on their hands right now? Do you but it's getting out of hand. It's, I mean, we're on their hands right now. Do you think it's reversible? I don't think it's reversible, to be honest. I will love to say yes, but there's no fucking, how will you make these backwards? How do you de-escalate the power of these people? And not only violent power, the corruption power,

the power they have in politics, the power they have into economies. You know, Mexican economy has a lot to do with cartels. The Mexican press in keeps praising the money coming from remittances from the US. It's like, okay, we have hard working man in the US sending out remittances to Mexico. Guess what? Guess where does that remittance end up in the hands of human smugglers? Because that's not remittances, that's money to pay so people can get their family out

of the country and into the US, they have to pay smugglers, which is again cartel. So it is in coincidence that the higher number of remittances this year has to do with the higher number of immigration flux trying to get into the US. They move exactly the same. It's like, OK, we have more people trying to come to the US and we have more remittances. And when you cross those two

numbers, they only make sense. Wow. That's insane. That's everything, everything, every single thing it's related to cartel to to crewman organization, which is there are no longer cartel. This is so sophisticated. Yeah, they're becoming very, very, very, very sophisticated. It's fascinating. It is. When people ask me like, what do you do? What do you do? What do you embed with those guys? Why do you go and talk to them? What do you risk your life going to them? I'm not stupid. I mean, I get scared as well. I mean, I'm up. It's not like I don't get scared and I want to go with them and help. You know, I get fucking scared. It's not like I don't get scared and I want to go with them and help you know. I get fucking scared.

It's scary to be around them because you never know what's going to happen you know. But it's fascinating to me to talk to those guys. How they sewage strategy, how they think, how they understand a world that I'm trying to understand you know because I come from a good family, from a good neighborhood, I come from good places. And I'm like, okay, this is how the economy works, you know, according to what I read, according to what I interpret the world.

But those guys have a different, a completely different interpretation of everything, of the world they see, of the economics, very basic, you know, at some level, very, very basic, but at the same time, very sophisticated. Man, I got to like, the only, I don't know how this ends. I think how it ends, just off the top of my head is,

I think one cartel would have to dominate the entire country. And when that happens, maybe, maybe, there will be, maybe it will become more peaceful. I don't know, you know, because there won't be so much fighting in between the different cartels and it's one unit running the entire operation. Yeah, I don't see it either way.

I don't see it reversing. It's not reversing. I mean, this is not a drug cartel operations now. This is what we're talking about, a hybrid insurgency criminal movement. It's a hybrid between mafia, as we know, mafia in Italy or Europe, like that kind of mafia and insurgency. The people from Garclicalisco, no machinazzo, growing, they went from cartel as you're reading the manual

of an insurgency movement. They went from small organization to earning social bases to getting funding to try to destabilize government, to try to legitimize, that's the quirk word, legitimize government, ill legitimize. Ill legitimize government, trying to step in and now teaching official tactics to their people you know. Back then was like just get a fucking AK and let's start shooting.

Now they have uniforms, military uniforms with Kartli Khalisko, Navajanerasion here, C, J, N, G. They're driving armor vehicles. They have training camps. They're following the fucking insurgency manual. Wow. That's that's so it's not longer truck or tells that's insurgency and the tactics that Mexico's doing against them. It's contra insurgency all the way trying to split them, you know, trying to get them inside fights. So they fragment into smaller cartels and then they can go in and break them out. Trying to earn the trust of social bases as well, trying to infiltrate rumors. Like recently is happening with the Carthagalisco No Carasión. They recently had rumors about a mentor being the leader of Carthaghalisco, the most powerful criminal boss alive in Mexico right now, saying that he was dead.

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Do you have any of those, do you know any of those off the top of your head? Yeah, I mean, the names are kind of like difficult because they have like, you know, Pedro Serro has a lot of numbers, but I'll share some with you and you can have a look at it and they are propaganda, 100% propaganda. And they were the ones pushing the version that I'll mention to that. And I'm like, so you're telling everybody your boss is that that how

does that work? Doesn't really make sense. You will be the one saying, no, it's not that, he's alive and the car's at least alive. So I felt that was a strategy, and of course, I was a strategy to destabilize government to make them think that a target was that, but he wasn't. That was misinformation campaign, put up by Cartel Calisco Nacional Online. These guys are smart. They're learning from somewhere. Wow, they're learning from somewhere.

Now they hide IEDs, you know, like fucking landmines all over Mitoca. The Mexican government had to send a troop to find landmines and they found in a single territory, single branch over 200. Like a cache of them or they were already planted. They already planted. They're already planted. They killed a farmer walking with his son around his farm and one of the bombs went off. Man, so I mean, this cannot be longer called drop cartels, right?

Drop cartels were got to keep dead, or you know what, we see in Narcos, Mexico, the last season of Narcos, Mexico, that was drop cartel. Those guys were just trying to make money out of shipping trucks into the US. These guys are after the control of the whole country. They're experimenting with coca plantations in southern Mexico to lead the Colombians out of the equation. So they're like, if we get to get our own co-caplantations, then we own the whole fucking business. Wow, they're huge, man, they're huge and it's getting out of hand.

And I think the only way I see this sort of reversible, if Mexico actually declares that this is a fucking war, that we have a violence issue, a violence hybrid problem or issue in Mexico. This has got it. This has flooding into the US and Canada as well. I mean, I think when people think of these organizations, they think they have borders. There are no borders. No borders. No borders. No, not at all, man. Like, I mean, how many peels, how many cocaine, how many heroin is going through no borders area, you know, like the desert, none of it, none of it. Even the infrastructure of the entire cartel, I mean, it has no borders. I mean, it's essentially a business powerhouse.

I mean, Google has no borders. Toyota has no borders. There are no borders, man And you know cartel has no borders everybody in The world is getting addicted to these pills and you know it's crazy because up if you follow my account Instagram I'm posting everything in English because I write in English. I write for US publications And I post everything in English and I follow a bunch of accounts from people from Carp de Calisco, Navajo, Nara Sion, from Mayos, Ambada, you know, from criminal conversations

and you will be amazed how many of those people speak perfect English. I was like, what? They keep writing me in English and sending me boys notes in English. And I'm like, how do you, how do you know English? I mean, I mean, from Cartel Calisco down in Mitoca? And it's like, no, no, no, man, I'm in Dallas. I'm funding those guys. I'm part of the court, but I'm set up in Dallas. This is what I was born. I have family in Mitoca, or other guy,

you know, I'm in some other place, you know. They speak perfect English. They're funding the fucking cartels from here They go back and fight go back have an operation get back to the US That's that's what they do and of course. I'm not I'm not calling names For obvious reasons these people is trusting me with without information, you know with with stuff and some of them Of course are pushing an agenda because I get a lot of messages of people pushing an agenda on their own groups. But I also get a lot of people not pushing any agenda and just straight up saying,

there is no way to end this, so I'm joining. I'm fucking joining. There's no fucking way. There's a lot of training or give run over. I mean, yeah. And the most common thought amongst them is like if I can do it, someone else is going to do it. So why not make a buck out of it?

That's the most common way of thinking. I mean, I don't agree with it, but I definitely understand. Definitely, yes. That's exactly how it feels. It's like, I'm not going to agree on that because if you stop doing it and you've everybody will think like that, you get the the fun that cartels get the fun. Yeah Bottom, but I guess that's a way of brainwashing themselves into working with a fucking violin organization Yeah

Well, let's move into the training camp. Yeah, that was that was pretty interesting as well I mean it was only a night. How'd you get invited there? The thing I asked my contact. I mean I usually what I do is before I travel there I ask him for what I'm looking to achieve while there. And he's like, oh right. So that was not that was not in the plant. The training camp was not in the plant. The training camp came only after I bumped into another journalist in Gulyakan, and apparently they've been scammed. Like someone told them that they were going to be able to go to a training camp, but they'll

be using that, and then nothing happened. So we met each other and it was like, okay, I'm in Charlassue, and I'm a producer and reasoned that, and then we went off. I offered them, like, okay, yeah, I mean, yes, for sure Let's give it a try. Of course, I charge my regular fee as a producer for them. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna charge I'll charge you days if you have this amount of money and Then let's go. Let's let's try and do it. I'm gonna call my contacts. Can't promise you anything So I had a meeting in my in my hotel room with my with my source

He always even if he trusts me, he always scorn me with a thing to make sure that I don't have cameras, microphones, all that shit, you know. And I had a microphone in me from the production, but it was a laveler. It was not hidden, you know, it was, it was, yeah. And so this guy was still like started scanning me. And he was like, baby, baby. And I was like, no, no, it's not a hidden microphone. The game is wrong. It's from the production because I'm being interviewed and all that stuff. So, he was like, all right.

And I told him that these guys wanted in to a training camp. And he was like, yeah, let me call the chavalornis, the youngsters, and see if they're willing to take us there. Are they taking cameras? And I'm like, yeah, it's like, nah, just self-hunt. And I'm like, a duop of mine. These guys are a full TV crew, so we need a big camera and type. And with local guy, let's give it a try.

And we went there. We went to the training camp, which was basically just a ranch and the outskirts of Gouliakan. With a bunch of people wearing tactical suits, you know, like military and a guy giving instructions. The instructions were basically how to properly grab an AK, how to shoot it, because they switched something, which I don't know, you might know, they switched something out of the AKs to make in what they call rafagos, which it's making them, I know.

Fully automatic. Fully automatic, I guess, yes. Because it's a seer. Exactly. Yeah. They do that at an armory. So they're teaching them how to use a different sort of, or a fixed AK-47. Wow.

So he was just giving instructions, you know, like, the count of three, you guys have to shoot at the same target or different targets. So we'll count one, two, three. And you will hear, like, bunch of them, we're like seven or eight. Seven or eight. Seven or eight kids, like 20, 20, something,

you're the old. You know what they were training for? They were gonna be deployed into Sak Sakateka, I think. Sakateka's Durango camera. They're having a huge fight in that territory, so they were going to be deployed there to go and fight against another group, which was actually against Kartelhalis, Konohmachemerasion. And they were like the new trainees, I guess. So yeah, we saw that, we saw them shooting. I was in the first place in the first place. we called Toronto Air Actors like Srebaling and doing all that stuff. Do you have footage of this stuff?

I have footage only of the shooting range. Of the shooting. Okay. And it's not great footage because it was way in the dark and we only had the lights from the pickup trucks pointing at them so I can actually film something. So the thing didn't go really well in terms of what the TV production was expecting to see because they were expecting to see a proper you know US military training camp you know. Yeah.

They were asking if we could do that by sunset because sunset light is better for TV and where were the brooks that were like you know. Where were like that. I, where were like the, so, I mean, yeah. Hollywood. Yes, they wanted to make everything look like Hollywood like stuff, you know, and so, so, so, so. I mean, this is what you guys do for real, right? Okay, let's just make it all fake.

It's like, yeah, exactly. So, man, that was something. And so, these, these part of the TV crew made a comment, and she said something like, you're supposed to be the most powerful organization in the world, and I'm not seeing that.

So, my contact kind of was like, what are you talking about? This is what it is. And then we left. And then I was, I was getting ready to go out dinner in my room And my contact call me so like, I'm and I you with with this with this person And I'm like well

That person is in in the room, but it's not here with me in my room and it's like Can you both guys come downstairs and talk to me because I need I need to tell you something and I'm like there's no way I'm just like to go I know you're angry at about what this person said but just be cool man and he's like do you think I need that money because I shared some money some of my money with him just because it was cool that was out of the plan and you know I was like you know what fuck it you can have a grant you know just just go and have fun with with your guys or

paid some of your guys for the time or whatever. I was just trying to be cool with him you know in good terms and and he was like you think I need a fucking grant and start like counting packs of hundreds, you know, 10, 20, 30, count, 40, 40 grand. I have 40 grand, 40 grand with me right now. So let that person know that I don't need the fucking money and to come and pick it up, please. And if she wants to show to see or power force, just pick out the window. And I went out the window of the balcony and there was like 10 pickup trucks full of armed people

around in the parking lot of their hotel. And I'm talking, it's a nice hotel. It's not any like sketchy motel, whatever. In a nice, at the nicest area, Avon Goyakad, called Tres Rios. And I was like, holy, man, in a nice, the nicest area of Ranguyaka called the Reals. And I was like, holy man, you really need to be like this, just fucking leave. And it's all good.

I mean, we weren't meant to disrespect you. And it's like, no, no, I'm cool with you, man. I'm cool with you. But you guys wanted to see power? Well, let them know that we're here. And I'm like, no, you know what so I called the production is like this is happening and they were like all scared And we're like what sure I caught the embassy The embassy

What's the embassy gonna Put them on hold maybe well Like should we call the embassy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna. Yeah, like should we call the embassy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to go. Yeah, well, send somebody right over.

To extract me from this, you know, why are we going to send a chopper out of the way from Javier Cicolica? So I was like, I'm going to go downstairs and try to talk to my guy and Let's see what happens and then this this this guy was like and what should we do? So we caught someone or she'll like just stay here and wait Don't do anything fucking stupid anymore, you know, just stay here. I went downstairs And of course I was scared because that was the first time my contact was coming hard, you know She's usually very fucking friendly, she's usually very service, you know, like it's weird because it seems,

I mean, he's one of the fucking middle range bosses in Goliacan, but he's always very, how do you call it, very accommodating? Very accommodating, yes. It's like, was it good? Did it work? Was it shot good? Is it useful for you? You know, this is cool like that. But now he's, that was his dark side. You know, there was

being violent and aggressive and menacing and being a fucking bully basically. And I went down search and he's like, getting the car and I wanted to his car and I was like man just just be cool about these I mean they meant not disrespect you have to understand that never been in Mexico before especially call writing these kind of stuff but he was he was he was hurt you know he was like his ego was fucking hurt so he was like yeah but like those people are on my fucking boss with the thing they are you know I can get them fucking disappeared in a fucking second I don't take quarters from them

but I was kind enough to to let them go into a training fucking camp so what are you talking about they don't believe we're a fucking huge organization they think I'm bullshit they think I'm lying wow and I was like no man no no not at all not at all, not at all. It went on for a while, for a good hour. And yeah, after work, it was like, you know what, man, I fuck them, just let them know that they're not longer, welcome, you can see that, oh, I ever, anymore. Wow.

And I was like, all right, are we cool? And it was like, yeah, we're cool, man. We're good. I mean, it's not with you. I know you understand the shit, but that's those guys. Do you think that context is going to accommodate you again in the future? I hope so, man.

I'm trying to go on another stuff to make Higali with him, with him organization. And I reached out to him. And he stopped answering for like three weeks. But he just recently came back to me. Okay. And so with another different phone number and he was like, I'm sorry, I was out doing some shit.

So I thought it was accurate material. So I was like, oh shit, I lost a good contact there. Yeah. But enough. Apparently we're in good terms and I'm trying to go to Michigali for another story. Wow. Look back to the training camp.

What? So it was all, when you were there, it was all shooting. Oh shooting. Did you see the targets where they accurate? The fucking targets were like dirt, little, you know, mountains. Oh, they weren't admitted and have targets. Now they're targets. I guess, I guess they don't, I targets. No, they're not.

I guess they don't, I mean, there are only a few of them that know how properly shoot like targets and have tactics and stuff. Like the commanders, what they call commandantes, those are the guys that have a lot of knowledge on how to disamble and assemble guns and all that stuff. But the rest of the guys, sadly, they're just what we call Carnivicanyon, you know, the people who's gonna basically send off to die in the front lines. So the training seemed very basic. It was, here's a gun, this is how you manipulate it. Exactly.

And they will give them the old AKs. It seemed very basic. It was, here's a gun, this is how you manipulate it. Exactly. And they will give them the old AKs. They fucking olders, then you know, more worn AKs you've ever seen in your life. But like fucking falling apart. And I was like, did I've seen you got some pretty good meanies, what they call them meanies, some good, different kinds of weapons. Why do you have these all day case? And they're like, these are kids that are going to die man. I mean, and if we get captured by the other group, they're gonna get our guns. We're not gonna, I'm not gonna

send these kids out with some nice guns. Those fucking guns are for me and my people and the people who's taking care of them. Wow. That were like, yeah. So there's definitely different levels of training. Yes. And that was the lowest. The lowest, yes. It was basically for kids that were going to be sent out to die in Takatecas. Do you know how many, how many kids are running through this training camp a week?

Is it? Yeah. I guess they were the training. And no, I think what they do is they train people by like on the go like either pens if they be they gather enough kids to train, they will have to go on training. But if there's like a week or several days that they don't recruit anyone, they they will just they won't have a training. So they're not as organized like us. You know, like every Tuesday we have a training or whatever.

Just like he will get a call to say like, hey man, I got another 10 or 15 kids. He's telling me they're trying to get more kids, more people because they need more firepower because it's growing huge and they need to put up a fight with them. I wonder why they're not, if they have the ability to train them to a higher standard, I wonder why they're not doing that because that would be, I mean, when you say, well, I'm not going to give them good guns because they're just going to die. But if you gave them better guns and

train a higher level of training, then they would be more effective. That will be more effective. But I don't think they grasp that. They're not at that. They're not there yet. Yeah. They think about numbers, they think about like, you know, we need more people, even if they're not properly trained. And some of the guys I spoke with were kind of mad and disappointed that a lot of their guns get stock or break during fight. I don't like they're sending us with this shit and my gun always like gets stocked

or jammed exactly. And I'm like, wow, you should call management. So you can get better cuts. But there's a lot to die. The ones who are loyal to the cartel, the ones who kill more people, the ones who survive most fights, those are the ones promoted to Commandants. Okay. And what's talking about? So basically, if you come back alive, you're probably getting promoted. What does this, what does this, what does

it look like? How does the whole, yeah, what is, if we were to go I mean is it Is it specific areas as a yes? They're trying to what I know is it trying to do like some tactics like ambush When I spoke to the people and we'll jump into that maybe later with the people that was in my sambal one of their their Top cicadios, they're 24 year-old kids. And what they do is they get intel that there's a group of the enemies of Carthal Calisco and Alcaneda, they usually don't go off their government. They just, when it's government, they just react.

The government starts coming over, then ensuring or trying to capture or trying to burn their harvests, they will react. But they usually don't go, even if they know where they are set up, they will go after government. They don't provoke. They don't provoke. That's one of the, like the worlds have seen, they follow and every single criminal organization, they usually follow those rules.

But when they know where the enemy cartel is, let's say cartagalisco no agnación They they gather some intel and they say like you know what they are in the outskirts of Durango in the Sierra de Durango in the woods This is sort of like their location. We last saw the camp so they can't be far from that area So we know they're sleeping by by night. I mean by day and then moving by night So the tonight they should be by night. I mean by day and then moving by night. So the tonight they shall be around, I don't know, these range. And so they send a bunch of soldiers to surround that mountain. So that means they stay two or three weeks walking because they walk and when when I'm telling you what they walk maybe

from one city to another through the Sierra through the woods walking sometimes using ATBs because they have like some houses of people who in and and again in an insurgency group you have the aids you know that are not properly organization, they're not properly they belong to the organization, but they are AIDS, meaning an old man or a family that has a couple of ATBs and they aid these guys to let them use the ATBs or their house to stay there for a couple of days. So they have AIDS in several towns, you know,

so sometimes it's traveled through ATVs or by horses And sometimes they'll just keep walking until they are positioned and say like okay This is sort of like the place we needed to be because these guys should be around this area and On the footage I've seen from one of these soldiers GoPro's. When they're around there, when they feel that they're around there, they will just wait and try to see if they are actually there. When they see they're there, most of the times they first watch them because they position

over the top heels. But in some other times, these other cartels notice them first. So then a shootout breaks. And when it depends on a group that makes it, like if there are outnumbered, it will just try to get away or they end up being all killed. And then they gather some more guns, ammo, money. I saw a fucking gruesome footage about Carreta Calisco, no agaradacio and member getting like an initial ritual, like if you want to belong to these forces and stuff, and he was

eating, I think it was a hard or a lung, I couldn't really tell because I didn't watch the whole fucking clip, but of a man, they killed, of a man of a soldier, they captured. Apparently, that was their feature, weren't they, had to eat the organs of a recently deceased person. That's fucking brutal to watch. That was like, what the fuck are they doing? And yeah, he was like biting out of the heart of the fucking, I only put the heart of the long most likely the heart the heart

right won't make sense have you seen these other work other yeah really I like it is like a war tactic then it's a thing that's been around a long time you know that's yeah that's what I thought because I think they're using that. And that might point out to where they're getting trained for, for more intel for them. It's, it demoralizes the enemy, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm trying to do, because another group, when they captured, I don't know if, I don't know if you actually watch, uh, vice, vice documentaries. I mean, they can, they can be tricky in some other

parts of the world, but when it comes to Latin America, they're very fucking accurate. And so they did some, some of my colleagues in, in, in, in, in, in the, in the news, they did, they did, they're embedding with the Cartagalisco in Michoacán And they interviewed a commandant they called the M2 and it was a high-up commander for Cartagalisco A few weeks after that they killed LM2 and they burned him alive And so I guess that's what they were doing like trying to demoralize the enemy by capturing first the commander Second unknown and public Commander who gave an interview to international news and third by burning him alive

Wow sending out a message So yeah, that's that's basically how it looks and in in there is this Yeah, that's that's basically how it looks and in there is this Documentary call Ciccati Weifer if you look that in YouTube It's fucking amazing. It's good access to how an appropriation of Ciccati's look like Okay, I'll have to watch that No, it's pretty good. It's pretty good very recent and Yeah, do you think these car tells are gonna keep one upping? Yeah.

They ate the hard. What is it at? This is the next guy gonna eat the brain. Is that been happening, do you think? It's happening and it's stuff that I don't know if it's if it's too gruesome to even talk about that shit. But the most recent thing I saw was they killed a woman.

I don't know if she was part of the cartel or whatever, but apparently she was pregnant. She was like seven months old pregnant. They killed her, got the baby out and killed her. Oh man. I mean, that's just make my fucking skin crawl it's it's another fucking level man it's another fucking level and that's happening in a country right next to this one yeah you know and a country that is my country it's I can fucking understand that shit man that was that was painful to watch that was painful I didn't

watch the whole fucking yeah I didn't even I didn't even watch a second outfit because I read the description. Oh, no, what? They sent me and asked him like, can you stop sending me gruesome shit? I'm not really into that. Thanks for letting me know this is happening. Um, and people all over I have a bunch of groups and telegrams and signal, um, from different organizations and stuff and people keeps asking for those videos, man, people who's getting fucking sick and sick. Yeah, but I, people are like that. I know. And why? They want to see when I, when guys come on here and they talk about people that have killed

or or and, and more, you get these weirdos that are like, oh, yeah, they like it. Can I, can you post that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, what? They're like, anyone had the video of the pregnant woman and I'm like, why in the fucking world do you want to watch that, man?

That's gonna get into your brain. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I mean, it's escalating. It's escalating the intel and the tactical cartels or criminal organizations are getting. And now there is a fucking ridiculous raise between the Mexican military and cartels. It's like a cold war in between the same country you know, because the cartel Calisco shows up with IEDs. And then the Mexican cartel shows up with, I don't know, big, huge fucking war

tankets. And then the Cartholica disco shows up with these armor vehicles level eight. And then now the Mexican male Terry shows up with a rocket launcher called the, kind of remember the name, but it's a, it's an old rocket launcher called, but, kind of on the name, but it's an old rocket launcher from the 50s, you know, these, you know, it's sophisticated and as smart as these car tells seem to be that it's all ego with the end, right? But that is just pure ego. If they really wanted to become effective and scare the shit out of their

enemy, they would utilize torture techniques. Because if I killed you right now, took your heart out of your chest and ate it, you wouldn't know the difference. Or would you give a shit? But if I did things to you while you're still alive and left you alive and then the enemy came and found you and They they saw that you've experienced all of that pain and you're still experiencing that pain. That's That's a different level. Yeah. Are they doing that? I don't I don't think they're doing that I know that they do that To people they want to get info from,

but not really like a show off force. I don't think they're still using that, that shit, not that I know, at least, not that I've seen. What I have seen is they capture family members, and that's how they break sometimes enemies. This last Sunday, there was a huge massacre in Michoacán during a funeral in Brotel de Lai. There was a guy from Cartagalisco, Cartagalisco

is breaking up from the inside and that's a counter insurgency tactic put out by the Mexican government. It's trying to break Cartel Calisco into small pieces. And it's working. It's working. It's fragmenting. So now the Cartel Calisco is a huge fucking war inside, which we haven't seen before. But that happened to Sinhalo Cartel. The most powerful became several small factions. And now the most powerful is Cartel Calisco, and it's becoming several small factions.

So a guy from Kolyma, from the Cartel Calisco and it's becoming several small passions. So they a guy from Colima from the Cartel Calisco Nova Hernandez on had a beef with another Calisco Nova Hernandez on member from Michoacán from way back because this guy killed his brother and then this guy got a repression killed his brother and they now they both became bosses on their own turf. So the mother of the guy from Koleima died recently from all 82 years old and she had a funeral. The family put out together a funeral in Michokan. So apparently this guy called the higher bobs in the Kartlichaliskontel like I'm and I need to go to my mom's funeral. I'm going in with just a few men but I need your permission to go in without these other motherfuckers gang to me

Carter Hadesco said yes, okay come over He did five minutes in the funeral Twenty fucking pickup trucks showed up with these other guys. They did a they had a standoff They gathered all the people put in a line all the people in the funeral and they had a list of names of where all the people put in a line, all the people in the funeral, and they had a list of names of these guys people. So I was like, okay, so they took family members, some of them, and they took his soldiers, and then someone shot a fire fire from inside the funeral, and whole fucking hell broke loose. After killing 17 people, they still had the time to clean everything. They clean with sweepseps with water. They clean the whole

fucking blood shed. They even tried to repair bullet holes from the out of the wall and they took their bodies of the disease out. And that's only because there is an order by the Mexican government right now to lower homicide rates. And the government said we need to lower the fucking homicide rates no matter what, no matter what translated into criminal organizations, so on, okay, we're not going to kill people, we're going to disappear them. So now the number of people disappeared in Mexico is spiking up while numbers of homicides are waving down. Wow. And that was that was impressive because there was like videos and clips of these guys cleaning the blood,

piling the bodies, making us if nothing happened. That the whole thing lasted for five hours. No one has already stood to be seen. They have professional cleaners cleaners. Yeah, they're probably like a machine. You can see like a car wash machine, you know, splitting the straights. Totally, and I will update the have now. Yeah.

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So we're back from the break. And after that discussion about torture and what they're doing, I don't know if I want to go to launch afterwards. Yeah, maybe not. But let's move into something a little lighter. So you partied? Yes, I happened to spend my birthday in Kulekán. I was sitting at a restaurant.

And I know a couple of friends, El Enfermo, Hi to To El Enfermo, I wanna cheer to El Enfermo, because he's a rapper in Gullacán, but he's the only fucking rapper doing this thing. He's mixing regional Mexican music, you know, like banda, or corrido, with rap, and he's doing great, man, and he's growing, and he's going up, and if you guys wanna listen to him, he's called El Enfermo, the sick one, and he's going up and you guys want to listen to him is called Helium Femal. The sick one because he's fucking sick for real.

So he called me, he knew that I was going to be in Kulia Kana around that time and he hit me up when I was having dinner at a fancy restaurant and inter-reserriote and he was like, hey man, what are you doing? I'm like having a drink and having dinner and he's like, we're having a small gathering and my other friend Eduardo, the guy who was one of the cool outpers of Cicari Warrifers book that I wanted to bring down to you and I'm gonna send you. I'm with Eduardo, you want to come over and I'm like, for sure, it's actually my birthday and I'm with with with a lot of all you want to come over and I'm like for sure it's actually my bird date I'm like, oh man, so yeah, let's have a fucking proper party for you

And I'm like, right? There were very sketchy about where I was going. I'm like, a pictures real quick. So you're going to party with a cartel boss Who's a rep also a rapper? No, no, that's not the rapper like I Didn't know that I was going to meet these two fucking cartel bosses there. So one of them is a cartel boss and the other guy wrote the entire tactics program for the cartel. No, this guy who called me is a rap singer. And he was with Eduardo, which is a producer who wrote Ciccari Warr, which was a photo album of Asiccari, embedding in a fight.

You know, like following a fight. These two guys gave this guy a GoPro to go and film everything, and then put everything together into a book and into a documentary. Fucking genius genius man. They were like, I didn't know that there weren't going to be a party, that the party was going to happen actually on that guy's house on the head of

sick guy who's wearing myosambada, who is the one with a GoPro. Oh wow. And he didn't know that. So I was just going to meet these two guys and have a couple of beers. But they were very sketchy about what I was going. And it's like, yeah, I started driving in this location. Once I was close, just gave me a call and I direct you. And I took it, I like everyone, it's like that,

sort of like that in Goye Khan, you really have to be careful. And I went to this really nice residential area in Goye Khan, and they asked me to stop on the other side of the Xiewak, walk over, go to an elevator, a beautiful apartment with fucking, you know, Mercedes-Benz and you know, nice cars. And I went in and I see a table full of fucking

drugs, arms and radio communications. And I was like, what the fuck is happening here? And then the documentary, and in the photo album, you can see the faces of the cigars for obvious reasons. So I turned my head and I see these two kids, 20, 20-year-old kids, early 20s. Just sitting there, making some lines and just listening to Marco Corridor's drinking.

And then this guy introduces me like, hey, this is our friend, Luis Chaparro, he's a journalist. And Anne and this is El Compa. I can't say his name. It's El Compa-tá, it's El Compa-tá. And I'm like, hey man, great to meet you

A UL compa, blah In the documentary? And then like, yeah that's me And I'm like holy f**king sh** And then there was another guy who's like, oh he's my second in command, another kid And I shook hands with both of them, kept drinking all from the night I went in with a six pack of the cut this. If I knew I was, well, maybe we'll show up

with a proper bottle of something in the whiskers and tequila or some chill like that, but I'm just right with a flat and six of the cut this. And it amazes me how these guys' soul is completely gone from their body. We're all talking, we're all having fun, we're all sharing experiences. Time, of course, very curious about the book and about the documentary, how was that made. And I was like, well, how was it?

And how many time did you film? These guys were completely out. And I was just like smoking, snoring, smoking, drinking, snorling, all through the night. You will see a glimpse of happiness whenever a corridor about himself will come up in YouTube. And you know, like, Estamehusta, es es muy buena catear. But all through the night, they were just absent, you know, they weren't there. So we're like, staring at nowhere. They weren't there. They were staring at nowhere.

They're trying to escape their own head. Yeah, really, really quiet guys. Dallas, that whole night, I didn't spend a whole time there, but let's say from 8 p.m. to maybe 12 one in the morning. And I was drunk by the time I left I was like feeling tipsy and and I was like do you think I'm gonna get in problem with the police if they caught me driving drunk and they're like if you have an issue just call these guys he'll fix everything for you thank you I hope I don't have to call you so yeah we sugarhands We hug each other when that this guy because we usually say hi like every other Mexican even if you never met him,

you say hi with a hug, you know, you so I was like see you man, thank you very much for having me in your place and that when he was like close to me, it's like just be very discreet, you know, you know, you know that right? No, yeah, I know, I know, you know, just just wanted to make sure just be this great about this place And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure I'm like well means And I left but those guys where or are the right hand of

In a group of lectures it's called the group the sick guy. It's like the elite It's like the elite Ciccario group for my Zombada. That was fucking, I mean I wasn't expecting that, you know. It's incredible how you find yourself in these situations. It's like over and over. I almost feel bad for those guys. Like on one hand, you know, it's, well you're in the cartel, you're a piece of shit, you know. It's, well, you're in the cartel, you're a piece of shit, you know, and, and, but on the

other hand, they don't have any options. That's what, I think that's what people in the United States don't understand. I mean, you know, people in the United States think you have a tough, when the government sends you a free check, a free place to live, you get free food, you get free education, everything's free, free, free, free, free. And because you're not wealthy or because you're getting only free stuff and you, they bitch and they complain, but they have options. Yeah, I mean, they have the option of keeping their fucking life and being safe.

These guys, there's no check coming from the government. There's no free place to live. There's no free food. There's no free education. There's no free medical. There's no free anything. And that's what, it's unfathomable for most Americans who've never been outside of the US to understand that.

And with these guys, you know, they have, they have no other option. But to join the cartel. Totally. And do that. And imagine how I will be, I will like to maybe make an exercise of like the people watching this, this channel and thing, ask them to think about them being in a country that doesn't give you anything for free, that it's imporberged by the most part, but that also leaves next to a rich country, you know, to a first world country. So it's like you leave in a small village house right next to this mansion where the kids have everything and you leave looking through your window

to that house and wanted to be that. You want to be that, you want to have the cars, you want to have the checks, you want to have the freeways, you want to have what they have in this first world house. Many of us people like me who have the opportunity to be dual citizens we can go back and forth, back and forth all the time. When I like to leave in Juarez or in Mexico, I leave three years in Mexico City, but then I went back to El Paso. Then I have the benefit of both. I have the benefit of both.

My friends also, a friend of mine has just made these trucking company in the US because he said to also his citizenship and he writes me every often and says, dude, I owe my fucking life to my parents that brought me into the US because I'm a Mexican and here I can thrive and I can work hard and I can drive my fucking truck and have a trucking company and I'm so fucking happy about this that I'm not being forced to leave in Mexico, because I have no other option. My other friend has a furniture company and he says exactly the same. I owe my fucking life to my parents that brought me here.

Because otherwise, I will be stuck in Mexico. And there is no fucking way you can do a successful You know for a interior company in Mexico without having to do or to be extorted or to be tapped if you're being kidnapped or even to thrife But these kids They live in povers. They're leaving the outskirts of Kulik and these guys are not even from the city These guys are from the ranchers around the city, but still they are exposed to the life the US portrays on the side. So they want that.

They're fucking jealous of that. They want them or set their events. They want the house. Because you can tell the house is, it's almost like an American house, very fucking American house. It's like the faucets are all American, the fridge, very fucking American house. It's like the faucets are all American, the fridge, very fucking American, TV.

It's amazing, you know, I mean, we were talking last night about that. I just did a trip down to Mexico with Taloron and we went into a modern camp. And, you know, and I'm very, I've been all over the world. I've seen the poorest countries in the world and I was still very extremely tough on immigration.

Or my viewpoints were. And I still am somewhat, you know, but, but when you go down there and you go into that migrant camp, it shifts, it shifts your perspective because you're in it. So you're in there and you're seeing what's going on. And when I was telling you about, you know, like we pulled two Hondurans out that made the trip up to to the line up to that migrant camp and I'm talking to this guy and he is, I asked him what he's doing and he said, I asked him how it came up as I asked him, would you rather stay here under a tarp

on a parking lot or go back home because he had been there for I believe three years if I remember correctly and he said, I would rather stay here no matter what. He's like, I have a business here. And I said, well, what's your business? And he pulled out a little portable battery charger. And he said, I go around and I charge people's phones for a dollar. A dollar, man. A dollar. Which is probably doing really good, and to, you know, compared to where he came.

Obviously, he would rather stay there and sleep on a parking lot under a tarp. Then to do that. And then when you think about Americans, you know, that we can't even get anybody to work right now. And I would trade so many Americans for that guy sitting right there because you know he's gonna come in into this country and he's going to contribute to society and work his ass off to get what he, you know, or I'm going about this. These country has the great blessing of helping thrive hard working people. All you have to do in this country is work.

All you have to do is get to fucking work and you thrive and have your heart out there. And that's it. That's not enough in my country. That's not enough in my country. You can work your ass off in my country. You can put all your heart into whatever you want to do. In my country, and that's not going to be enough. And no matter what, you're going to have never going to fucking thrive. Never, man.

It takes more than that. It takes luck. It takes corruption. It takes doing things the wrong way. Because the taxes we fucking pay for everything, it's crazy. The amount of money that government takes out of you, the bulldozer ability you are to your own government or to criminal organizations or to the mix of both,

you know, you can be well off working, having your pretty life, and then you get kidnapped, you get to get extorted, or then you get a bunch of military outsides of your home saying that you did something and you never, and you spent 20 fucking years in jail just because they thought you were something else. Talking about journalism in Mexico, I wrote for 10 or 12 years before actually started writing in English through US outlets. In my career, right? Somehow, to some level in Mexico, I got to the top magazines in Mexico.

They had the top stories being interviewed and to E.B. all the time. But who was having my back? No one, like no one. The government won't hype your back. Once she had started hitting the fan against journalists and I was getting paid shitty. Which I was fine because I still live with my parents in one of the best neighborhoods in Ciudad Juarez.

So, fuck it. You know, I fucking dream residential with a five stories house with a basement and a huge fucking garage and they were paying for my two cars and I was leaving fine so I didn't really need the money to to keep leaving out of journalism. I had to do it to thrive just that's what I wanted to do but then when I married had my son actually got out my my parents house I was like oh shit I need to work for myself and this is done off I mean the best wage that I got the best like when I was reach It was 30 grand 150

5 1500 grand a month you can fucking leave without even in Quares, you know, it's it's not I was leaving by myself. Okay fine grant a month. You can fucking leave without even in Juarez, you know, it's not... I was leaving by myself. Okay, fine. It's enough to to run an apartment, never to own a house, to pay for my gasoline and decent that. But then I had to do something, you know, I had to and I had to switch lanes or or decide to close my career forever and then go to to do something else because I was not going to be able to support my family with that fucking wage, you know. Yeah. And I decided to make the crossover and start writing for English, for English-spoken or written magazines and outlets and start producing more for US companies like Netflix and Amazon and HBO and doing documentaries for showtime and that kind of stuff.

And my fucking career started thriving a lot, started thriving like crazy when I did the crossover. And I learned that all it takes in this country to thrive was to fucking work, to get to work, to get your fucking ass to work and do it properly and you'll be fine, you'll do fine. And I was like, wow, just just switching languages, just switching a border, which is basically a line, an imaginary line, everything changes, everything switches, but a lot of the people in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, Salvador, they don't have that possibility.

They do not have that opportunity. They want it. That's what they are trying to get here. They're trying to get here to work. Most of them. And I know I've met some of them that are not hardworking people. They're fucking thieves. They're fucking bad thieves, basically.

I've met a bunch of fucking thieves that they just being deported like three or four times and they're trying again and they're Saying the US is my country and I love that country, but once they step foot in in the US is start drinking and robbing people and doing shitty stuff. Yeah, there's definitely those are to deal a tricky. I mean it's a tricky subject to It's it's gonna it's it's tricky to solve because you can't take everybody. Yeah, you know, you just can't but the Any but the system's broken, you know, it is broken. There is no... Whenever you're setting up walls in the middle of a desert, but leaving your pores of entry pullerful to fentanyl pills,

that's gotta be something, Rob. Yeah, you know. What are you gonna come up? Well, I'm trying to travel to Michokan, looking up for travel to Michokan to learn about the drones operations that weaponize drones are using. It's a hard time right now because there's a rumor around all organizations in Michokan that there's going to be a journal, this is going to be an infiltrate, not by the US government of the Mexican government, but by the other cartel.

They think that both cartels fighting each other, they feel that there was going to be a journalist who is from the other cartel, just want to try and, you know, get some info or some intel and then sell it to the other cartel. So, I'm sure like that. That was the last time I heard over from Michokan. So, I'm in standby, see if the rumor goes away or something like that and then I'm able to go and embed with one of these organizations.

I'm very fucking interesting into that. Into that part of the world. It'd be interesting to learn about their intelligence gathering. Yeah, definitely. You know, how they do it. How they, I mean, because I'm sure they're running all kinds of intelligence and

best being a match, especially on line and especially online. They're using a lot of technology, man. They have their hands on technology and like these drones. I mean, I've seen footage not taking by radio and commercial drones, but actually these dronesance I tell you auditude and that can be like super way fucking up and like a huge sum and of course it's, they've shared that information with me because it's propaganda and I've never shared out because I'm going to be helping who the fuck knows who but what they wanted to say is like look, here's a convoy of Mexican military

selling weapons to a cartel. I don't know if they're selling or they're giving away weapons supporting this cartel. And yeah, in the footage you definitely see national cart or military pickup trucks unloading a bunch of what it looks like boxes with arms and a couple of pickup trucks with arm, man civilians, loading all that into their trucks and taking up. And you could say it was like a harm trafficking operation but it will be interesting to put it out, you know, to me as a journalist, like this is happening. But because of the source that came up to me with that,

I was like, I can't confirm anything, coming from this source. Good. They want to push on an agenda. So I guess that's the whole apparatus of information gathering the stuff. I know they see my videos. I know they watch what I post.

I know they follow me because they want to learn about other organizations and all that stuff. I guess it's something that I have to be careful with. What am I sharing and what am I withholding? They're killing more and more journalists down there from what I understand. In the whole 2020 they killed seven journalists during the whole year, understand in the whole 2020 they killed seven journalists during the whole year which was a lot and in the first two months of this year there's been a seven so we're over the first two months there's been seven journalists killed two from Tejuana, another from Mojaca, Michoacán

I can remember the other place but it in 7 already, the whole number for 2020, from 2021. So that's a lot, they're killing a lot of journalists. And I believe it's part of these tactics to illegitimize the government because people is not going after criminals. The regular people is not saying fucking cartelhalisco, fucking cartelies in aloa, they're fucking us up. They're saying fucking government, they're doing nothing to protect us, to protect our journalists. And I don't think that's by coincidence, I think that's by design. To heed journalists, to heal doctors, to heal nice people, you know, well people. I think

that's why it's interesting that they want journalism because they use it as a PR platform which helps them with their recruitment, but on the same hand, they're killing journalists. So it seems kind of counterproductive to you. Yeah, but Luke, look at the journals they're killing. They're not killed journalists on national TV or international journalists, you know? They're killing journalists that are tying names to certain murders and, exactly,

correct. Especially local journalists. Okay. Local journalists that they know, they are not protected by an international law or whatever that means, and an international outlet backup or, but they're not going to get heat for that. Because it's way to different what's going to happen if they kill me or they kill the, I don't know, near times Correspondent in Mexico City. The fucking international community is gonna step up

to find those motherfuckers and the whole attention is gonna go for that criminal group. But if they kill a local journalist, who's gonna, no? Who's gonna go after them? The people's gonna get mad at the government for not protecting these journalists. And that's what they want. And that's why they're hating these local journalists.

And that's crazy. But yeah, I mean, I'm working on that trying to say safe, trying to keep putting up stories, trying to find interesting stories, but also trying to find truth behind talking points in US media. It's been doing an awful job to be honest. It's a joke. I can't believe people even... I can't believe people even watch it. I mean, I guess not everybody knows, but I think it's the older generation that still believes that traditional news networks

are telling the truth and it's sad to see because it's ruining the country. It is man. It is and If you talk to and this is this is important to to tell it's not us journalists It's not producers behind the camera. It's not media workers. It's the execs most of the executives they hold It's the execs most of the executives they hold Their decision makers, but they don't come from the news. They come from business. They come from economics They come from all over Backman's but journalism so they don't care. They don't give a fuck about journalism But they give a fuck about it. It's about numbers or about who's gonna fund their channel

Talking politicians talking all their businessmen. They think they know what the audience wanna hear, but it's not what the audience wanna hear. It's basically what's gonna make the audience fight. Yeah, they want the outrage. They want the afucking outrage. And we're playing that game and... People are falling right into it.

And most of us media workers don't agree with that man. But sometimes that's a job. Yeah. Sometimes you get a win. Sometimes you pitch a story, that it's a well-story and well-angled story and telling it through it. And sometimes you get the win. Sometimes you're like, this is a good fucking story. This is one of them. Especially when it doesn't have to do with the US. Especially when it's something which is good for me because I cover the foreign desks. So when I'm talking about Colombia, I'm talking about Mexico, I'm talking about that. They usually leave me alone. They're usually like, alright, yeah, let's run that story. Why not? But if it's US related, they will get, you know, peaky and tricky. They will get you know Peaky and tricky they will get like no, that's not the proper angle

That's let's go on these side because the audience will feel that this is to These and that and and they start money pulling the whole fucking thing and then the piece out It's completely different from the fucking bitch Well, that's where I come in That's where you come in and that's that's what I fucking love about your show I think there's more useful information in your channel than in any fucking TV station and Coming from a fucking journal is I do news and I and I produce for TV This is the real thing. Thank you. This is this is where you find truth and this is that's that's fucking cool, man

That's what I'm trying to do just amazing just tell it like it is and that's because you're not tied to Anything to anything but yourself. Yeah, that's it man. Well, we're talking about doing some stuff together down the line Maybe let's do that man. Yes, I mean I will I will love to because I was telling you this yesterday I was telling you your experience in fighting and, you know, going to other places could be very enlightening to know what the shit is happening on the ground in Mexico. And I will love to have you going and embedding to places like Sinhaloa, Chappas with the Hercatitos Apatista and all those guerrillas. There's a new cartel in Chappas called El Cartel de Chamula. The Chamulas are indigenous, basically made in Magins from the Maya ancestry. And they formed their own fucking indigenous cartel

to fight the Mara Salvatruja that is coming all over Chappas and to fight the old or what is left from the setas. So that's an interesting place to go, that's an interesting thing to watch. Maybe going to the Chappas border with Guatemala, and you will find the hotels, like right at the fucking hotels, a lot of Romanian's, Russians, a lot of people from those other countries stay there doing, I don't know what. The last time I was there there was a huge group of, I think they were Russian or something like that. Stag at the hotel, no one could tell me what they're doing there.

I asked the taxi driver, I asked the front desk, I asked the police. No, nobody. No, nobody was like super sketched out. I was like, because I thought there were Greek, I was like, why is there like Greek people? And everybody was like, no, no, they're in Greek, they're in Russian. I was like, why are there Russians here?

Oh, no, I don't know, man, I know, I can't tell you. But they were, you know, I love the hotel, smoking cigarettes, 24 hours outside, making phone calls, drinking, jumping into taxis, going off, getting back, making noise out all through the night. Interesting. So yeah, I will look to have you south of the border and go to Juarez and go to different

places. I think that will be something that your audience will enjoy and I personally will enjoy to bring you with me in one of these reportings. That would be what do you think? I think it's gonna take a lot of research and I never I never drop a location Before I go. It's always after I'm already out. So, you know, for obvious reasons. Yeah. And, but I am down. I do like your idea. I really like your idea of interviewing the Hitman.

Yes, I think, I think, yeah. I would like to do that. If I get enough support on Patreon. Yes. You know, please. And we'll make it happen. But, yeah, let's push for that, man, because that will be, that will be fucking interesting to watch, to watch you talking to one of these heatmen. And so you, I think what you can do is like you can judge how much knowledge these people have in the use of arms, because us journalists can know a lot of other things, you know, but

maybe not such a specific stuff. And I guess now Mexico is all about specifics, especially this time. You know, you need to know what kind of training they have, how they're using their guns. Like these armor that I wanted to kool akana, whether I was switching this thing that you know the name of and I can't remember the name of the piece, they're switching it to make them full automatic. The seer. I think that's only because it's cheaper to buy not semi automatic guns and then just switch them.

Because there's a reason behind that, but that will be interesting to watch. So yeah, it's going to take a lot of planning, a lot of negotiating as well, because of your background, of course. I'm not going to be able to lie to these people, to hide that part of your background. So I'm going to have to negotiate a lot with them and test their trust as well, you know? Yeah. Test like how trustworthy I am with them and oh, and let's see, it might not even happen, it might end up in them saying like no, no, no man, no, no way. I wouldn't blame them, but neither.

But um, but it might end up happening and that will be, I would be interesting to to see much. Especially because uh, I don't think you're gonna be able to be carrying anything while we're there. So that's gonna be fucking tense. Yeah, I see. That's gonna be fucking tense. It wouldn't be the first time. But I'm going to wrap this up and I just want to thank you for coming. You always have like the intelligence that you're bringing back after these trips is just phenomenal. You can't get this stuff anywhere.

And so I just want to thank you for coming back and giving me in the audience your time and telling us what you found down there. So one more time, where is the best place for people to find you? I think in my Instagram, especially in my Instagram, I post my link in bio and I have my YouTube channel, I have a sub stack account where I put a lot of detailed information that I... I'll be for that, I don't really make it into a story, into a new story, because it's too detailed. I posted on my, on my sub-stack account and that's where I share names, locations, gatherings, maps, you know, that kind of intel.

Perfect. But for someone. And thank you, man. Thank you, Towsafacking pleasure, man. It's, it's really cool to be here and my whole intention in coming over is just to tell truth and to share truth. Because I see what are you doing on your channel with other guests. And I see they are raw. They're raw information. They're sharing their truth. One last question. If you had three people, it doesn't have to be three. Who would you recommend? Who would you want to see on this channel? Definitely, Victor Abilá, we're talking about him. He got screwed by both the US and Mexico government. He will be cool to watch here. I think a colleague of mine, Ian

Grilo, he's a UK journalist living in Mexico and covering arms trafficking specifically for maybe 20 years. He's very knowledgeable and he's fucking cool. He's great. And I guess it's gonna love the show. And maybe one of the, one of the criminal assets living in the US that will be the one of the interesting view interviewing directly one of those guys who lives in the US. I mean it's a long shot. But that will be no doubt. Well make the connection we'll make it happen. All right, Louise. Thanks again, Madam. A best of luck.

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