Shawn Ryan Show - #44 Solbere - A Scientific Solution to the Carbon Footprint

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

Solbere is an organic liquid treatment that promotes longer, more efficient growth in plants and trees, combatting CO2 emissions, wildfires and drought. On this episode, creators George Baker & Bill Wheatley explain how Solbere can help create a sustainable, healthy atmosphere for the future. Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'll see you soon. Enjoy the show. George Baker, welcome to the Shana Ryan show. Thank you for having me good morning good morning so so you're a scientist and you've been working on this project for 23 years that's correct and basically what you've developed is what you call the answer to the carbon footprint solberre that's correct it's part of It's part of the solution, part of the solution, and it works immediately. And it's something that is, well, it's organic, and it functions the next day. If you spray a plant today tomorrow,

it's catching more carbon, and it's protecting that plant from sunburn, which was the original start 23 years ago, was developing an aid for agriculture because so many of the crops burn. And we have all these new varieties and they're very very sensitive. And so that's where we came up with the technology way back when and it just grows and grows and grows and you learn more as time goes on. Well I'm dying to die then. What I really

really like about this product is because climate change, global warming, the carbon footprint is a very divisive political subject now. What I like about this is it doesn't affect anybody's bank account. It doesn't affect any energy in a negative way. And I think it's something that everybody with a brain should be able to get behind if they actually look into this because it's not all it's doing is pulling carbon out of the air and creating oxygen. With a lot of other positive byproducts.

And so I'm really excited for the interview. And I'm just really glad that you and your business partner build been able to make it down to Nashville, Tennessee, for this interview. But every interview, we start with a gift. Any guesses? Oh my goodness. Is it...

My guess would be maybe it's something to eat? You're real hot. Oh my god. Look at this. That's right. Those are vigilance lead gummy bears. 100% made in the USA. We'll...

We'll snack for around the way back home. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Very much. These won't last long. I'll tell you that. Why are we so addicted to gummy bears, I think? Yeah, so am I.

You should be, too. But so I start, I like to start every episode off with a question from my Patreon account, which is a subscription account. There are top supporters. That's why I'm sitting here. That's why you're sitting here. They are top supporters and fund the entire operation here. So I give them a chance to ask a question. This question is from Adam Banks. And without getting too much into the science, because we're gonna cover all that later on in the episode, have you published any peer-reviewed papers on this topic

or product, where can we find them and what journal? Most of the publishing that we've done are from universities. We can furnish the data from the University of British Columbia was probably our first formal study that we did at the Molecular Forestry lab. And we are now completing the third year at Fresno State University Water Resource Center on how this product works and how it works with water use efficiency, not only carbon capture because they go hand in hand. And so those, that'll be published. I believe in October and it'll come out of the university and we can finish that information as well.

But right now I could give them the publication from the University of British Columbia. That would be great. I know I got a ton of this, just from our subscribers on Patreon. And that was a big, that was a popular question. The other very popular question, which I know we're going to cover later on,

the most popular one from several different patrons was, does this product cause cancer? Or is there any bad, is anything bad going to happen? I'm glad you asked that question. That was one of the first things that we worked on a number of years back. I happen to be in the pesticide business, not to digress a little bit, but there's an awful lot that goes into a pesticide being used today because you have no choice when you eat food. And there's a tremendous amount of work in it. So we put the same amount of work into this. Now this product is basically calcium carbonate that's ground in a very, very special way. And we can get

into those details. But we've got studies on earthworms because of forestry, one of the things you'll worry about is earthworms and how that whole profile works. And we could not kill the earthworms. We couldn't kill their babies. We didn't disrupt their eggs. We did it on fish. And that's another type of study you have to do is how you affect fish and the birthing to fish and the eggs and so on and so forth.

And we've done it on mice. We've done it on rabbits. We've done it on rats. And we have the whole profile. Talks to call these profiles, what it's called, and it doesn't qualify for any toxicity. So no negative, no negative. It's essentially what you have to have calcium. And that's what it is.

I mean, we consume calcium through milk, where taking a thombs is calcium. And so it's good for us. That's unbelievable that there are zero negative side effects from us, it's really excited, but so moving on Let's start to get into the science global warming climate change Like like I had mentioned. It's a very divisive political politicized topic So as a scientist without getting into any of the, can you give us a snapshot view of what

global warming and or climate change, whatever we're calling it these days? What can you give us a snapshot of what that is? I have a little video that I've given you that maybe you could play later on video that I've given you that maybe you could play later on from NASA. But basically what happens carbon dioxide is a good thing. But if we looked at the atmosphere real simply and said, okay, you have 21% oxygen, you have 78% nitrogen. We have 1% to deal with. Of that 1%, you have several gases that are in there. Carbon dioxide is the big player, little carbon monoxide,

little methane, little argon, little hydrogen. The only thing that catches heat is anything with a carbon on it. And so, carbon catches the sunlight. So what we've done is, as we've used these fossil fuels, we've created this environment that's just above the area we live in, in the troposphere, of heating. And so, that has a big play on climate change. Now to the degree I'm not a climatologist, I'm an agriculturalist.

So there's a difference there. I see it on the ground. I see a lot of things happening on the ground for an digressing a bit but in California it used to be foggy all the time between let's say stocked in and bakers filled and that would keep the heat out and the cool in. Now we have an extreme problem with dormancy crops coming out of dormancy and so we're using this product to help enhance dormancy. So it's a very important part of agriculture. And so the climate change or what's occurring

is it's amazing to see it. And it's hard to keep track of it. I mean, last year we had freezing in Texas when they don't have freezing. Now, I drove through Texas last week and there's hardly a cotton plant coming out of the ground on millions of acres because they're in a drought. Yeah. It's just one thing to another thing. So when you say carbon catches sunlight, is that what you said? Carbon, I'm sorry, yes. Carbon in our atmosphere, as the light rays come from the sun, carbon is the only thing that holds heat.

Hydrogen won't hold heat. Nitrogen doesn't hold heat. Oxygen won't hold heat. You have to have a carbon molecule to hold the heat. And hence, as we put more and more carbon into the air from fossil fuel, we're able to capture more heat. It's just a ratio. So when I listen to the news or anybody but a scientist talk about this, they're talking about rising temperatures, that's a big thing, right?

It's getting hotter. I also see places getting colder, but so are you saying, when they take these temperatures, what altitude are we talking here? Is there a constant, or is it, it's 98 degrees in Bakersville right now every day or is it is it a certain altitude that they're checking? NASA does and I've looked a

lot of their reports they'll do different layers of you know at 10,000 feet 20,000 feet in agriculture and for us People we usually take it at ground zero wherever that is most of people live between sea level and 10,000 feet in fact the bulk of us live between Sea level and 6,500 feet so wherever wherever your cities add or towns at wherever the weather stations at is usually right near the ground or about 10 feet up is where the temperature is taken. Okay, so this is all when we're talking about climate change, global warming, rise in temperatures, is it all from carbon or because I heard you mentioned methane gas too and I've seen that another news source is saying that cattle feces is good.

Well, I would. I would. I would blame it or I would put the emphasis on carbon dioxide CO2 over the methane. Methane has a short cycle compared to CO2. CO2 lasts hundreds of years in the environment, in the air. And it's a very stable, stable gas. Methane can disintegrate or break apart between three and seven years. And so it's kind of a more of a short term issue. And so it's kind of a more of a short term issue. It does catch heat and people make a lot to do with it. But I'm more interested in CO2 because plants need it. Without CO2, we have no plants.

In fact, half of the plants weight is carbon and it only comes from the air. So we need that CO2, it's pretty vital. And hence that's what we get into what I do with the treatment on the plants. Do you have any facts, any, any hard facts that show any examples that show what's been happening over the past, let's say 50 years, such as environmental facts, rise in temperatures, maybe more hurricanes, colder temperatures like Texas, more extreme winters, more extreme summers.

Well Texas is a really good example again, as you know they had that tremendous freeze and all through the Midwest, but it really raised havoc in Texas because of the windmills and they were dependent on those things froze up. Now they're sure it's a drought. That's pretty extreme. And in Washington, which was just north of where I live in Oregon, we had an extremely hard late freeze, which is really unheard of in the cherries. We lost probably half the production of cherries,

a quarter production of the apples. And we've been growing apples and cherries there for 100 years. And so this is just this year. So we're seeing in agriculture around the world and in North America, things going to extremes. The average on farm income in the United States was a loss of $1,100. 60% of US port comes from one company wholly owned by the Chinese. And farmers are more likely to commit suicide than veterans.

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Do you have some type of a scientific explanation on how the carbon is influencing all these extreme weather patterns? Well, I do. I have funny little analogies and hopefully people can appreciate that, but if let's say that you want to go skiing and you're going to go over the mountain pass to get up to the lodge wherever you're at, our temperature is warmed up. They like to use science like she used Celsius. I'm fine with Fahrenheit, but we're over three degrees warmer. Well, the highway freezes at 32, and if you're three degrees warmer, then you're not going to have a frozen ice sheet to drive over to go skiing because it's warmer. And that was really apparent this year, especially in Oregon, that we had a lot of

wet roads and they weren't covered in ice because it's warmer climate. Now, climate does change, we can't deny that. It goes in cycles. Most weather patterns seem to go in about a 20-year cycle. A little bit warmer, a little bit wetter, then a little bit cooler, and back and forth, back and forth. And that's not holding true right now. It's one year, it's, you know, through the roof, you might say. So... Yeah.

I hope that helps a little. It helps. I think the main thing, Sean, is the temperature is rising. What if it goes to five degrees? What if it goes to eight degrees, you know, then where are we at? Yeah, I understand what you're saying, because we are, I mean, I think it's been a record breaking

summer all throughout North America and I believe in Europe. You know, my question is I understand carbon capture's heat. My question is how is it influencing these other extreme weather patterns like hurricanes? There seems to be more hurricanes happening. We've had more extreme winners here in Tennessee. They had a very extreme winner, I think was the last year in Texas, as well as hotter summers.

So that's kind of what I'm asking from a scientific standpoint. How was that influencing all these other weather patterns, not just a rise in temperature, but also decrease in certain months. Well, apparently, as we learn more about everything in science, and you follow science, and as always, changing to some degree, because we learn more and more. We have better tools to understand what's happening.

There's a new phenomenon in the very higher upper atmosphere. And I was reading some articles about through NOAA, which is the National Oceanic and Avionic Administration, that these really high altitude currents are affecting the lower currents. And normally there is about nine different l-minus l-minus that are studied of the ocean currents, and everything's been based off the ocean currents, but now there's some of this new technology about these high currents in the air that are influencing our ground weather and just not the ocean currents, or they're influencing the ocean currents that's changing our weather. Again, that's a little out of my

because it's a climatology issue more than it is an agricultural forestry issue. But we see it. We see it in up in the high elevations in forestry and where we have trees that don't get enough water. We have patterns now where certain species on South slopes with the lumber companies have gone into not being able to harvest that timber, and the timber is not growing because things are drying up and the climate is definitely changing. And some of these species have lived there for thousands of years and they can't grow there now.

Well, let's move into the answer, Solberre, how did you guys, how did this whole venture start? Well, we first started about, like I say, about 23 years ago, and one of the main in agriculture, in agricultural crops, and two of the biggest problems in agricultural crops is the sun, sunburn, and not enough water or how a plant works. And so there were a lot of things you used to think

well a white surface would reflect the light so we were, you know, paint buildings white or you have things to keep things cooler and somewhat true of reflex and a light, but we started looking into it and looking at crop yield versus different types of treatment. And like I said earlier in the program that we've changed varieties. People want all these nice varieties of apples. We used to just have basically a red delicious and a gravenstein and today we have pink ladies and galas and all those different

things and the same is true with the almonds and almost all agricultural crops, all the new sweet corn varieties but plants grow optimally at 72 degrees Fahrenheit. That's their optimum production. That's where photosynthesis is at its optimum. It starts down about 45 and it shuts off just a little over 90 and it's kind of a bell curve. So we're optimum 72 and if you keep the crop cooler and if you keep the crop working longer which takes a lot more carbon to do that because plants are half carbon. That's where this technology came in. We started seeing different things That's where this technology came in. We started seeing different things over 20 years ago on these different treatments for sunburn.

And you might say what we've developed is almost like the sunburn spray today instead of putting the old zinc oxide on. Now we have these sprays that you can't see. And that's where technology has come that way. Well, it's come the same way in agriculture. Okay. So you don't have the white nose anymore, and our technology has changed quite a bit.

I hope that answers the question somewhat. It is, keep going. So as we developed that, we looked at light, and I got involved with Cliff Fairchild at Oregon State University's laser expert. He determined the depletion of ozone for President Reagan in the late 70s, taught school laser, and physics at school for 40 years. Got involved with Cliff through his son, his son was my banker, actually, Cliff Jr. And he said, you know, dad needs something to do, and he's an expert at lasers, and it looks like this might work for us to determine how the plant sees light.

And that's very true. And so I started working with Cliff about 13, 14 years ago on really defining this product and looking at how this product really works. And so we use lasers to determine how it works. And the laser technology on how it affects a plant on the interior, there's a lot of science guys, the most renowned person is Dr. Wata in Japan. We're the only people that I know them in the world that use coatings and laser technology to enhance photosynthesis that enhances carbon capture. So, for us dummies in the audience, basically what this does, this solution or treatment that you've made, is you spray it on plants, it acts as some type of a sunscreen, it keeps the leaves at a certain temperature, under a certain temperature, which enables them to conduct photosynthesis for how much more time than normal. are showing us about 45 minutes to an hour in the morning as the sun becomes what they call solar noon and then as the sun moves away from the east side of

the plant to the west side of the plant then it starts up about a 15 to 20 minutes sooner. Okay. So you get this extended period of photosynthesis, which takes more carbon. Plants only get the carbon from the air. So they bring CO2 in, and so for every pound of CO2, they bring in, they put out four pounds of clean oxygen. And that's a good thing.

But to explain how that plant works, plants only use 1% of the sunlight and they throw away 99%. Okay. So, of that 1%, they still try to narrow that down inside the plant. The plant has a layer of cells, they call it paliside that's up and down, and then the bottom part of your leaf has all these little spongy chlorophyll molecules running around. And what Solberra does and these treatments do do is as the sunlight moves to the leaf surface and then goes into the interior of the plant, we reach way more parts of the plant

and we reach more of the chlorophyll. Okay. And then you need more carbon. And so you take more carbon out of there, but more oxygen back out. That's the waste product We take oxygen in and we put carbon dioxide out plants do that too The other thing that this does is plants do that at night It slows that process at night because plants are more efficient with it

Okay, so Okay, so, dominant down again for everybody, because a lot of people probably don't know what just photosynthesis is, photosynthesis is turning carbon into oxygen. So for one pound of carbon, you're turning, your plant is turning one pound of carbon into four pounds of oxygen. Well, the plant takes in the carbon. Okay. And moisture water comes up from the roots and the H2O is split because the plant wants the hydrogen and it puts the oxygen into the air. Now oxygen weighs 44. Carbon weighs 12.

So for every carbon that comes in, there's several oxygen that go out. Is that makes sense? It does. And we're all like clean air. So the nice thing about this product, if we can get everybody on board, agriculture's on board already, but that you're going to put tons and tons and tons and tons of clean oxygen back into the air and capture tons and tons of carbon. Just naturally, naturally. I mean, you don't have to do anything. You spray it and it's done. That's what I love about this product.

It doesn't, it's not cutting down on fuel. It's not making things more expensive. It's not changing what you drive. It's not doing any of that. It's just something that happens in the background that's positive for everybody on the planet no matter how you look at it. Yeah, the technology to apply, it's 50 years older, older. I mean, it's simple. It's ill-kiss theory. Keep it simple, stupid. Keep it simple, stupid.

So you brought some of the solution with you. How about you? Can we see how it works? You need a bottle of water. I need a bottle of water. I need a bottle of water. This is the new formula. And we're always working on formulas, just trying to make it dispersed on the leaf better.

We use stings like lethasin that's in here. People eat lethasin all the time. It keeps the oil and the vinegar together in Italian dressing. We use a lot of glycerin that comes from plants and the shoes and cause medics to keep moisture in your skin. So let's turn around for the, oh it's double labeled.

So this isn't the, but this is just about, it's not the appropriate amount, I'm just tying a guess. And you can see it dispersers just like, I guess, cream into coffee, you know. Mix it a little bit, and there it is. That's it. That's it, and you just spray it. You can use a spray bottle, you can use a helicopter on forestry, you can, there's thousands of different spray rigs of technologies extremely well-known and established,

but that's it. So you take this solution, you spray it on a plant and it does photosynthesis a couple more hours a day than it normally would. If you want to take a shot of it, taste like milk and magnesium. You first. Are you gonna take a shot of that? I don't know.

I could take it a little. You want some ice? It would be. Oh, right. Oh. Yes, we, to keep it as a good preservative, you can smell it. to keep it as a good preservative you can smell it.

That's another thing that's natural in there, clove oil. Clove oil. It's an natural preservative. And for all these people that like that kind of thing, we do put a little ethanol in there for preservative with the clove oil, disperses the clove oil. All right. So how would you get this out there?

I've tried over the years to get it out there, our government owns 250 million acres roughly of forests. They're the largest landowner of our government. And there's a lot of things coming down the pike, so to speak, of carbon taxes and cap and trade. And all I'd like to do is if anybody could help us, have the Department of Forestry certify it for carbon capture. Then there's all kinds of companies that's called cap and trade, people that are producing products

that put CO2 in the air would like to offset that and you see that now on carbon footprint when you fly on a plane You see like Delta says O sir United says this. This would be an excellent way. All they have to do is certify We have all the data for it mainstream mainstream agriculture accepts it and uses it mainstream agriculture accepts it and uses it. If we could spray the forest, we could start turning this thing around right away because you're gonna have the trees in the forest

photosynthesize more. And it's just not one year. When you spray a tree, you're gonna get a number of years of benefit out of it. Because during that season, and even an adormant season, when the leaves are gone, it still works. And we have all the data to prove that on almonds from California and other trees. You're going to keep capturing more carbon. If your tree one year is 10 feet tall,

you apply this and it grows 20 percent. And the trees that you don't apply it to, of course, stay, they grow one foot, they're 11 foot, we're 12 foot. Then you've accelerated carbon capture for a whole another year or two or three or four or five or six down the pike. So is this a one-time application? You can do it a one-time application and get a huge benefit from it or you can do it year after year. So in a maximum it will be once a year. Why say at a minimum of me once a year? At a minimum four four certain crops, I'm going to max them for others. That's correct. Okay. How much so the world is a big place, huge planet here. How much forest is going to need to be treated? How many plants would need to

be treated before we actually see some kind of measurable decrease in carbon. You know, that's a very good question. And I would like to answer that if we sprayed the National Forest, the 250 million acres, it would be like putting 250 million Tesla's on the road. That summer, okay. I mean, so it's fairly quick. The atmosphere is a tremendous place. I mean, a tremendous way. It's in gigatons, and I don't wanna get into that.

It just blows my mind on how much that atmosphere weighs because you don't feel it right here, right? on how much that atmosphere weighs because you don't feel it right here, right? But we're going to put a lot of clean oxygen back into the air and that's going to have an influence. So at 4 chance of a percent of CO2 in the air now as it's rising is having the influence that's happening now. Can you imagine just shrinking that a little bit and adding a lot more oxygen? So the effect, I think we have a few years for the effect to really be solid and really take place, but we got to

get started on it. Okay. So did you, I'm sorry, did you say 250,000 acres of national forest, 250 million acres of national forest? Is that US forest? It's US forest owned by, I guess us or Uncle Sam, one of the two. So we could, so just just the US, if just the US did this, we would see a global impact within a couple of years. Yes, because the US amounts to whatever percent the US is, and I've seen maps where China's

so much of the carbon and warming because of China and the US is a much smaller fraction, but still a big fraction, and we could change that. And just to use the trees, the trees, one of the Roosevelt's, and I always get mixed up with one, set up as the lungs of the earth, and that's true. Plants are the lungs of the earth. They get 50% of their weight from the air.

They need that carbon. So let's just help them take more carbon in. It's real simple. We don't have to use rocket science or anything like that or try to have waste products. I mean, what are we gonna do with all those batteries? So we put 250,000,000 test, a million testles on the road.

We're gonna have 250 million batteries to deal with. Yeah. But not with trees. You know, and water use efficiency, a lot of people don't know that term. It's huge in agriculture and forestry, water use efficiency because when we run short of water, what are you gonna do?

We can put this product on a plant. I don't care if it's a tomato, a Douglas fir tree, a maple tree, and cut 20% of the water that plant gets in and affect the growth zero. The growth will be the same. In fact, usually in all of our research shows it when we drop the water by 20% in the irrigated trials at the water use technology lab at Fresno State, we still outgain the fully watered plants by 3 or 4%. Wow. So I mean that's huge. So, you know, it's a good way to, if you don't capture more carbon because the forest is under stress in a particular region, at least you're going to save that tree's growth for that year so it can catch more carbon next year.

Well, this sounds like this could also be the answer for some other things, maybe like world hunger. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. When we look at this whole phenomena, we measure the growth that you see. But it's like when you spray a tree, you have girth, so you have more wood. University of British Columbia shows that more wood,

but 40% of the plant is underground. So we have more or larger root systems, which takes more carbon, which makes water use efficiency better because the plant has more to gather from. So it would be like increasing world hunger is a real issue and it's like increasing the ground be grow crops on by 20% at a minimum. Minimum. This episode is brought to you by Taukaya Tree. Talking

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but this is a sunscreen for plants which helps them do photosynthesis more, which increases plant volume both above and below the ground. So the root systems, so the root systems are basically expanding. So it's not actually taking less water. It just has more land to drop, more area to drop water from. It has more area to draw water from and the plant will regulate itself. It else will cool the plant. And when we do these scientific measurements and we do a lot of them now called albedo and I won't get into that, but albedo basically is how that plant uses sunlight. And it uses a certain section. Light starts about 200 nanometers and goes way out to X-ray.

But plants and what we see for light is a very small spectrum of that light. So it's known as nanometers. So 350 nanometers to about 850 nanometers, you read of rainbow. Of rainbow is what the plants use, the light from a rainbow. That's what they use. And that light is really important on this water issue because that drives the plant for photosynthesis in that region and that when we make this material, I'm glad it's about empty. When we make this material our focus is in that regional light, how we affect that regional light. We don't worry about X-ray and all that stuff, and we don't worry about the lower stuff. We worry about what the plant uses. So this is developed for a plant to utilize a sunlight which utilizes water and nutrients much better. Did I explain or get to know no no, that's a perfect sense. So I would think that the

farming community would be all over this and everywhere in the world. Does that, do they know about this yet? Well, we're an Oregon company and based in Junction City, but we do sell around the world. And for an example this year, we've shipped a little over three-quarters of a million gallons to the state of Washington for apples. I think it would be very hard for anybody to eat an apple from the West Coast where most 90% of the eating apples come from without eating this product. Really? It's so well accepted. I mean, it's extremely well accepted. If you have a pomegranate, we have it on pomegranates in California, it's on pistachios, it's on almonds, it's on carrots. We ship it to Israel, we ship it to Morocco, we ship it

to Spain, we ship it to Italy, to Chile, to Brazil. So Canada. This is international. Yeah, very much so. And we manufactured around the clock. And we're expanding our manufacturing right now. And the sole bear part of it is I've gotten off and built my partner and our team has gotten off into really working with forestry. Agriculture is totally accepted to this. Forestry tends to be behind about 20 years in science. Okay. I mean they have a lot of smart guys, don't give me wrong, but you know, a farmer has to get paid

and it's got to work and He plants his crop day one and 90 to 120 days later. He's harvesting unless it's a permanent tree crop If it's trees or wine grapes, he's got to wait three to five years So he keeps having to invest every year every year every year. You can't invest in something that doesn't work. Memm. And so how are the farmers applying this to their crops? There's two or three ways. It's all sprayed sometimes by air, like on tomatoes when they get near the rows or crossed over and you don't want to squish all the tomatoes with a spray ring.

Typically it's a farm tractor with a sprayer and they call them air blast sprayers or tower sprayers. We have a new technology which uses electrostatic sprayer, which is really unique, and it'll coat all the way around, to leave for all the way around a fruit. This is pretty neat. So we're charging these particles, so the particles of water come out, you charge them with a negative ion, and it just captures a fruit like that. It's pretty pretty pretty unique. So, would the Forestry Department or the US government or any government, if they wanted to, would they

apply it the same way? Through where? They've applied through air. It's known technology for forestry. It's usually a helicopter. Okay. But, you've got a wonderful Set of planes with air force that we could put booms on those babies and fly them all over the place. Yeah what What are what are some of your hang-ups then with with with the forestry department and with with the US government? with the forestry department and with the US government. Everything with the US government seems like it's specialists in hurry up and wait. I hope Bill's got some answers for you on that one. I'll say that one for Bill, please do.

The business guy, but I just get too frustrated with it. Trees and plants are nature's machinery for producing the air we breathe. Harvesting carbon and releasing oxygen. Remarkably, plants only use 1 to 2% of the sunlight that reaches them. The rest is reflected away instead of utilized, doing little to help our current global eco crisis. Solbear is one of the newest agriculture and forestry technologies recently discovered and being used in the fight against climate change.

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Your gifts and grants will help nature help the planet. Getting back to the carbon footprint, do you guys have any competition out there? Say you're one in the government to take this on as a way to reduce the carbon footprint. What other competition is out there that they might be interested in? They'll probably look at the old technology. This problem in agriculture has been looked at for centuries. But those things don't work very well. They reflect light, and that's about all they do, but they also capture heat, which ruins the temperature curve for photosynthesis. So I don't know, Sean, I really don't know if I said, okay, who's my competitor with the technology we have developed over the, I don't think we have one.

Well, I mean, maybe last night we were talking about Bill Gates's up. Oh, good lord. He wants to put this micronized calcium carbonate up into the air. I guess that's a competitor. And he has no idea what it's going to do. Now calcium carbonate, I will tell you this, it transmits 95 to 97% of the light. And that's done what's called in an integrated spear,

and we've done all those studies, but that's what it does. And so you grind the calcium carbonate, and I would imagine he's not gonna be putting boulders up there. He wants to put very finely ground calcium carbonate up there to de-fractor do something with the light. Well, he's using the wrong compound number one. I don't know what he's thinking. And he

certainly doesn't understand plant science. Number two, you've got Bill Gates and other folks trying to take CO2 out of there and put it in the ground. And after several thousand years, it makes calcium carbonate. Okay. Well, that's a great idea, but what we do with our calcium carbonate, we take it out of the ground. We put it on plants, they lose their leaves, it falls to the ground and it completes a cycle. You know, we're... those are leaves, it falls to the ground and it completes a cycle.

We're, we're, so we put it back into the ground. So competitively, I don't know, there's been people that have tried waxes, there's people that have tried shellax and all kinds of things. And it's not accepted in agriculture. pride, shellaxe, and all kinds of things. And it's not accepted in agriculture, and so it's not going to be accepted in forestry. I'm sorry I didn't answer that very well for you. No, it makes sense. It does make sense.

What is this going to cost the government to do? If they were to implement this and they were to spray 250 million acres of forest, what is that going to cost the government? In the beginning, because our facilities out in Oregon, which has a ton of federal ground, it would probably cost somewhere between $1,500 and anchor. But as you produce this in quantity and in different locations, that could very well be a total cost of $50 and anchor or less. 50 dollars and anchor or less. Right.

In the future. In the future. Nobody's looking at this from the government yet. No. Now that the new plant that takes carbon out of the... I guess there's one being built in Australia. There's one in Iceland that is now working. Is $1,000 a ton to take the CO2 out of there. But they don't put any oxygen back.

You know, plants are really unique. They take the carbon out of the air. You can take a ton per acre out of the air, but you're going to put four times its weight of clean oxygen back in the air. These guys want to catch the CO2 and put it in the ground and form calcium, carbonate, and a million years. Well, that's a great idea, but it's a tremendous cost. Would silver be faster as well? Over night, the next day you've helped the plant and the plants, you know, takes a season for all that to grow, but that doesn't matter.

It starts working the next day. So your product is faster, it's safer, and it also has all these other extra benefits to it. Right, comes from the earth and we put it back on it. And it's cheaper. Yeah. And nobody's looking at it. Yeah, calcium carbonate, the biggest use

for calcium carbonate today is cement. And we have lots of it around. Yeah, we do. And calcium is one of the most abundant minerals in the earth. There's tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons. Would putting carbon into the ground, the bill gates method, would that be harmful in any way? I don't see it being harmful because carbon dioxide resides in the ground. And they do a lot of things in farming to digress back on carbon capture competitor.

They're trying to do no-till farming all across the United States. It's a benefit of the no-till farming as we don't erode our soils. But science is showing that it doesn't really capture a whole lot more carbon. So this, so we don't really have a competitor. That to the cost. You said possibly $50 an acre. Do you have an overall expense

if the government was to do this, what the cost would be? We spoke about it last night. Yeah, I think it would drive it. I think if we could get manufacturing equipment bigger, mine calcium, there's calcium all over the place, so we'll get closer to wherever we're going to be spraying it. Yeah, we could drive it way down. The most expensive part of our product right now, to be honest, is the freight. We grind this up in Canada. We use hydraulic power power generated from from dams and

it's ground specially up there in Abbott's Ferd and then we truck it down to Jackson City, Oregon and manufacture of that with water generated from the dams. And so the carbon footprint is really small. We want to kind of keep that up. Yeah, we go. I guess what I'm getting at is last night at Darren, we were talking about what would the overall expense be? And it came up, I believe it was $1 billion to $1.5 billion to treat all forest in the US.

I'm terribly sorry. I missed the question. That's probably my age. No. I think we figured about 4.7 billion. 4.7 billion. To treat the entire United States. All the forest. the best part of the

National Forest that's okay. Yeah And and and states have a lot of ground some states have little some states have a lot Ground I but there's the federal government owns 26% of Tennessee Okay, and you have a lot of forests here that we could spray. We do. Yes. And especially around here. So I mean, there's a tremendous amount of ground that can be sprayed.

When we say the national forest, we're primary looking at the seven western states or nine western states. But there's a lot of forests in New York and here in North Carolina, all through the Appalachians. If counties and states and the federal government gone on a spray program, we could turn this thing around fairly soon. Or at least at least it's a good environmental safe way. Just start chipping away at it in a big way. Yeah. I don't understand how they're not looking at it considering we just spent what $54 billion to crane. We waste

money on all kinds of things and four billion to put a massive dent in the carbon footprint under. I don't understand why nobody's paying attention. Well, three years ago today, I was at the US Forest Service in Washington, DC, with Bill's brother Bob. Bob had arranged a meeting for us with the top manager, I guess you'd say, of the US Forest Service. And we offered to work with them. Could we do experiments with you? Could we spray part of the forest? You have NASA, the part of the government, that maps photosynthesis around the United States and with infrareds, very, very simple technology, very, and never got a phone call back, never got a word I've

met with senators, I've met with congressmen, and you want to name any of them. Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon, Oregon has one of the nicest groupings in national force that we have, or acres, and we were pushed off onto an aid. I don't think the aid knew too much about how plants grow or anything as far as that's concerned. There was a congressman in Northern Florida that was very impressive, that was very helpful gates. Matt Ga helpful, Gates. MacGates. Mac, and he made phone calls to the Department of Agriculture Force in Florida, which I work with,

and work with infectious species in Florida for a different product, different act product that we have. And which was very, very helpful. The only one, and we met with Senator Merckley. We were unable to meet with a couple of other people, but ran into a number of people at the Trump towers and talked to a number of politicians at Trump towers. And everybody says, oh, it's a good idea.

And then it just fizzles. Maybe they haven't found a way to make money out of it for themselves. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah. Just going back real quick, back to some of the other byproducts that this thing that you've discovered through this is last night we were talking about forest fires,

which is obviously a big problem out west. Forest fires, which is obviously a big problem out west. Force fires really get going because trees are dried out or trees don't have enough water. And one of the things that happens when you spray this product on trees is they become more water use efficient and more fire resistant. You become more fire resistant because obviously when things are growing and things are nice and green in the spring

we don't have forest fires. But when we're running short on water it's the end of the season. It has a rain for 60 days. The fires get up and get going pretty good. And this product can really help forestry with forest fires because essentially if you're helping preserve the water that the tree has to use, and like I say, you have a 20% give or take in there. So if you're short on rainfall,

let's say you're short of few inches on rainfall, but you sprayed this product on, then you're not gonna be short on rainfall. And this is, you know, to the extreme. I would think California would be jumping all over this. I hear forest fires every year, after year, after year, our friends live out there. They're always evacing out of California

during forest fires. And maybe you guys reached out to the... Well, that's part of the bill discussion. State government. State government. State government. State government. State government.

State government. State government. State government. State government. State government. State government. State government. State government. service and trying to get trials going with the US Forest Service. We've invited them to President State University. Bill's wrote letters to Gavin Newsom and to people in his office. I can't tell you how many letters Bill's wrote to people in California and the government agencies. And it always falls on deaf ears. I don't believe we've got one answer back. I got a hold of a month ago, the California air authority. I've had the receptionist, gentlemen, call me back and try to route my call to another person. That person did call me back and was

going to route me to somebody that was familiar with forestry and agriculture and... It fell on deaf ears. Nobody's called. Damn. And in the new climate bill, there's $4 billion for water use efficiency and to try to how are we going to If you spray this on every acre of ag ground you'd save Well, it saves Let's put it in simple terms And let's just talk about an ag crop say tomatoes. We save 20% of the water

It's a made of uses and you get the same yields so the farmer's not hurt works for the farmer and ag crops, say tomatoes. We save 20% of the water a tomato uses and you get the same yield. So the farmer's not hurt, works for the farmer. It would save per acre, 120,000 gallons of water per acre. Wow, there's six million acres of farm ground in California and 12 and a half million acres of forestry. You're talking about saving

millions of gallons of water But I don't understand the government. So this would salt this could solve a water issue It's huge. Huge water. So we got reduced carbon footprint. We have faster plant growth. We have more food, more food. We have less forest fires. And what else we got? Well, you're going to reflect 5% of the sunlight back up in there. So you have cooler temperatures because part of the sunlight, the part that heats is the

part I was explaining earlier. It's not this out here. It's from 850 to 200. Well, you're going to reflect 5% of that back up there. That's what calcium carbonate does. It's natural. It just has to do that. And that helps a little bit with the temperature gauge. Very interesting. Yeah. with the temperature gauge. Very interesting. Yeah. About five, and all the oxygen you're gonna put back in there. Everybody likes clean air.

I don't think anybody can dispute that. Yeah. I know. So I don't think so either. Are there any other byproducts that any positives coming out of this that we haven't mentioned yet? No, I think those five are the ones that we focus on and look at. And form all of our questions and answers around or those five things depending on what

part of the industry you're in. Well, I think we should take a short break, but when we come back, we'll talk to Bill, the business guy. Thank you so much. Is there anything in my story? It's my pleasure. Is there anything else that we're missing before we take this break? No. Maybe you'd like to take a hit off that, like I did. All right. I'll do that on the break.

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You're the business brains behind the whole project correct Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I'm one of them. All right. Well, my capacity. Unlikely conversation, I found you guys or discovered you guys through Rob O'Neill. We had a very unlikely, uncommon conversation for us after his interview. And he had mentioned that he was involved with you guys. And it just sparked my interest.

One, I was really curious what the hell Bravo Neal has to do with this whole thing, not being in that realm at all. And then two, obviously, what it's actually doing, really, really caught my interest. So I just want to thank you again for coming out to tell us about it. But as far as the global warming, climate change, debate, where do you kind of stand on that?

Well, Sean, that's a good question. And George discussed some of this. But, you know, the fact of the matter is, the planet is getting warmer. And we know that because we have the government and other entities have recorded the global temperatures dating back some 150 years. And for example, we could find out what was the temperature in Nashville on September 12, 1899.

They have that figure. And so the numbers don't lie. The is going up, global temperatures. Now you talk about, oh, why is that? What's the cause? And the scientific explanation, and I really haven't heard any explanation to the contrary, is that the reason why we have increased global temperatures is because of the greenhouse

gas effect. Greenhouse gas emissions primarily carbon are getting trapped in the atmosphere. I read an article where a scientist kind of explained it as it's like having a blanket over the atmosphere and the heat is trapped inside. So that appears to be the explanation as to you know why there are increased temperatures. Now what is the effect? You're probably getting a lot of debate on that, but we do know this, that 2016 and 2020, those years are the warmest years on record ever. You had in London, just this past June or July, it had 104 degrees.

It had never been 104 degrees. You have even an organ where George's from, last June, they had record temperatures in Eugene and Portland, 115, 120 degrees. The last seven April, excuse me, seven July's, are the hottest on record. So you can argue about, geez, what's the, why is that the case, what was the cause, but those are some pretty scary facts and figures that we have to deal with in society. I'm with you. The argument, unfortunately, you know, the argument is, well, what about the record-cold winners?

And what about all these other changes that are happening? And it just gets tricky for somebody that's not as scientists or not involved with somebody like George who knows what the hell they're talking about. It seems like nowadays you can pull facts. Anyway you want the narrative to go. I wish somebody could explain more on, you know, I do agree with you. We are getting, I don't even have to agree with you. The science is there. You know,

the summers are becoming hotter. I think you said, you mentioned that 2016 and 2022. And 2020, 2020. The 2020. The warmest years on record. Yeah, that's on the pinion. Yeah, you can't that's a fact. You can't argue that. I think the argument is, well, climate's been changing for I think the argument is, well, climate's been changing for millions of years. But the way I like to think about it is probably way out there, but if you run your car in your garage with the door closed, then you're going to die. And so because that doesn't have anywhere to the to us, those emissions have nowhere to escape to. Well, the world, you know, is a big garage. We're all driving around in it, and this carbon isn't going anywhere. It's not just floating off into space and leaving. It's hanging out. And there's more and more, more being produced.

And we're not taking care of the situation. and whether that's leading to climate change, whatever it is leading to, it's not fucking good for us. And so that's what I really like about your product is it's just cleaning the atmosphere. Yeah, we got as a country get on the same page here whether you are in favor of green technology or whether you believe fossil fuels are getting a bad rap. There's a common ground there. Yeah. And you know a lot of people are not ready to say well let's just you know shut down energy right now and replace it with renewable energy. They're not ready for that, but capturing carbon, trying to get a little better balance with nature.

Who's not for that? Yeah. So I was thinking, if anybody is that in that, it's a bipartisan approach, I believe. Yeah, as you've said. What, if you heard about this rock that they just found in the river in Germany? I did hear about that. I'm probably not telling the story right, but yes, it was literally just a few days ago, I think, or a week ago, there is a huge boulder in a river in Germany. And apparently they were noting that in 2018 the level of the water and that river had got to a point. Or the 1616. Wasn't the year 1616? There was et said something on lines that if you see me weep weep for me and so

um You know Lake Mead's the largest reservoir in this country and it is currently at 27% capacity You know lowest level since It was constructed as part of the Hoover Dam back in the 30s. Wow.

So, Michelle, a lot of evidence out there. Well, what's great about this product is it literally does not affect anybody's life in a negative way. It doesn't, you're not going to be charged more for fuel prices, you're not going to be forced to buy an electric vehicle, you're not going to... Any of that, it's just cleaning the air. And so I think that's something that everybody can get behind. But as the business guy,

maybe you're a little more familiar with some of the numbers, but what's the least amount of land mass that would need to be treated in order to make a pretty substantial impact, a measurable impact of decrease in the carbon footprint? What would that look like? Well, I look at it as, all right, we have the assets available to us. We have the infrastructure, trees. We have, that's the carbon technology that is not being used. And there's a lot of trees out there, Sean.

You've got 750 million acres in this country. And of that, about 56 to 58% is privately owned. But the rest is owned by the public, local, state, of that about 56 to 58% is privately owned, but the rest is owned by the public, local, state, federal government. I think George mentioned that the federal government owns about 250 million acres. And if it were to cost, as George mentioned, in the neighborhood of $50 per acre, I'm just

doing the math now, I think that would be 50 times 250 would be 1.25 billion. That seems like kind of a pittance when you consider that the budget for the Department of Forestry alone for 2022 is 8.5 billion and you have another 131 billion I believe in discretionary funding. So that doesn't totally answer your question but if we were to spray, you know, we should spray all 250 million acres but if we sprayed even 10% of the federal lands. Yeah, you know, which would be 25 million acres, you would put a good dent in the emissions that are generated by people in the United States. Yeah, you know, that's the other thing

that really fascinates me is because, you know, just, I don't read much on global warming and, or climate change or anything. I'm aware of the carbon footprint, but for me personally, I think a lot of people feel like this. It's almost, I did not ever think that just one country could make that much of an impact. So for people like me, we can't even get our country on the same page, let alone the globe and if we can't get the globe on the same page, then

how the hell is any of this going to work? But if you're telling me that the United States alone could put a major dent in the carbon footprint, then maybe we got Canada involved and and who knows, you know, we get the brain force in Brazil, you know, involved in, and, man, but just one country, our country, that's, that gives me a little bit of hope. You know, Sean, it would, it would snowball. Once you've done say this kind of project, you would see the results. And, you know, I liken this to the vaccine for COVID.

I mean, when we developed that here, we didn't just hoard it. I mean, we shared that with the world. And, you know, if the rest of the world saw what we are doing in this country, and as you say, who can really object to cleaning up the air? I think that it would catch on in Canada and elsewhere. Yeah, I mean, in the cost. I mean, it's practical.

All things considering that we spend money on as practically nothing. I mean, we spent $54 billion to to ukraine this not even our country i don't i can't remember how much the the inflations production package was was that do you remember how much that was it it's a lot and i don't know how many billions yeah i think four five hundred billion yeah but they have one point five billion to produce the carbon footprint. Well, Sean, are you any worse for the wear?

Let's say we sprayed 250 million acres. Yeah. Okay. And it costs $1.5 billion. And it's going to work. We know it's going to work because we have all the science and all the university says it's a show will work. But are you going to be any worse to the wearer? I mean, think of all the money we spend on ventures, on technology, on trying new innovations

that strike out. I mean, I think Bill Gates said, and he should be investing our company, that he will look at these companies and invest in them knowing that 90% are going to fail. And so there is a lot of reason for the government to try it on a large scale. They have the budget. They have the assets. I mean, it's a real solution to an ongoing debate that never seems to end. I hope they do. But so moving on, how long it say we did treat

all 250 million acres of national forest here in the US. How long would it take before we start seeing an actual, again, a measurable difference in the carbon footprint? Well, I don't, you're not going to see it tomorrow. The beautiful thing is, you know, the Department of Forest should they work with NASA. And so if you sprayed, you know, a certain number of acres, they've got these infrareds and the satellite and everything else and it can tell you, oh this is, this is extended photosynthesis, you know, this much longer. They have that data available. And within a few months, you can now measure how much more water retention, have we seen in trees? How much carbon, additional carbon has been sequestered? And so to answer your question,

it's not gonna happen overnight. You will see that it's working overnight. But in a year, I mean, if it, like it's worked in agriculture, you're seeing 15, 20% growth rate. And so a year after it's sprayed, you will see an appreciable difference. And now you move into year two and year three. So we move a lot of carbon. So plants that are being treated are growing 15 to 20% larger. Yeah, we would expect, I mean, it's going to vary depending on the species, depending on the location,

but overall, you're gonna see that kind of a growth rate. And bigger trees equal more carbon sequestration. You guys had a video of a Christmas tree farm, I believe. I wanna throw that up. Do you wanna talk about it first? Yeah. Let me set that up a little bit because you would ask George about

what are the other benefits of Solbear and he talked about the water use efficiency component. That alone, people should be jumping all over. Private and public sector. And the wildfire mitigation component. This has been an evolving time for us in the company and so moving into forestry now as an answer to really helping mankind

with the problems we face going forward with global warming. So, we do these various tests and university studies, and so, George's brother was working with some of these Christmas tree vendors, and, you know, they want to have a bigger Christmas tree, spray it, and, you know, cut it down two years later, and it's bigger than the untreated. Anyway, George the brother had this Christmas tree and it was in his house and after Christmas, he said it aside and he kept it outside. And we know when that Christmas tree had been cut, as it shows in the video, it had been cut

77 days earlier when we filmed this video. 77 days? Yeah. So here's, you know, you can imagine, I know when I put my Christmas tree out on January 1, you know, and a few days later, it's not looking so good. Yeah. So here's George holding this Christmas tree and I think it was a six foot noble but anyway it looked like it had just been cut the day before and he's out there with this

Christmas tree farmer and he's holding it next to you know trees in the ground Christmas trees and it really couldn't tell much if any difference between you know the living tree and the ground versus the one that had been cut 77 days earlier. So that was further validation that, wow, the water retention that trees have as a result of this product is huge from a wildfire mitigation standpoint. Yeah, I want to play that video real quick. In 2020, the West Coast of the United States was on fire.

Oregon wildfires burned over 1.1 million acres and destroyed 4,000 homes. California was hit even harder, with over 4 million acres burned and over 30 lives lost. The unprecedented 2020 wildfires were fueled by climate change, and with steadily rising global temperatures, future wildfires are predicted to increase in magnitude each year. This has driven horticultural scientists George Baker to work tirelessly. Creating a solution that will help save us from the devastation we saw in 2020. George has spent years researching and perfecting his product, Solbert. This nature-based solution makes trees healthier by significantly increasing water retention.

Healthier trees are a weapon against the raging forest fires that continue to grow. It's designed to diffract the light and to split the light into two rays so it softens the light. It touches the tree. I think that's a big key. Kirk Strota, a Christmas tree grower, applied so bear to his trees in May and August of 2020. On February 5th, he compared a noble fur that was cut 77 days earlier on November 18th, with trees that remain uncut on his lot. The results are astounding. So you've got two trees, you've got one that's growing out of the ground, and you can see that almost looks the same.

I don't think there's any difference between the tree that's still alive and the tree that's been cut for two months. Several aspects are very important about that water retention, so they're more sunburned resistant, they're more fire resistant if it was in the forest. The trees just seem to look healthier, we had a hot dry summer and with the smoke and everything we didn't see the stress going into fall like we normally do on trees. This scientific phenomenon maximizes plant protection

through increased water retention. By treating our forests with Solbear, wildfires will be less intense and more controllable in the near future. Please visit our website at solbear.com for more information regarding this revolutionary product. So moving into who you guys have reached out to, I know you've reached out to the federal

government, I know you've reached out to the state government of California, any other government entities? Well, that about covers it. I mean, it's been a frustrating process, you know, as George mentioned, going back, he and another owner had visited with, you know, some Trump administration officials, and that didn't get the traction we had hoped and it may have been because of COVID in the pandemic and the other concerns that the administration was dealing with but you know

lot of letters to state and federal government congressman senators and emails and Just trying to get people to, you know, take a look at this. Both sides of the aisle. Oh yeah, because this is a both sides of the aisle deal. Yeah. You know. And anyway, so I, this Christmas tree video, I thought, wow, this thing's amazing. And I live in California. And so I'm like, I've got to send this to people in Washington or again, California.

So all of the various, you know, fire related entities, and, well, lo and behold, I did get a response back from the US Department of Forestry, and specifically someone in California, that works on the wildfire mitigation side and the innovative technology side of it. And so we are currently in talks with the Department of Forestry about doing a project, not because they have the vision we have in terms of let's see if we can, you

know, do something about global warming, but rather, hey, you know, there have been in the last, since 2018, the eight largest fires on record in California. We've had, we've had the eight largest fires on record since 2018 in California. And so, this was, yeah, if you take a look at 2018, did you say, if you look up on USDA website, you know, the 20 largest fires in the history of California, you will see that the top eight have occurred since 2018. Now that doesn't mean that somebody didn't

forget to put out his campfire, but it's because vegetation is dry. But it wouldn't have spread that far. Could see somebody making that argument, well a lot of these have started by man, yeah, but they can't be contained. Right, containment issue would be a lot easier to control if there were using your product. Yeah.

So this person from the USDA, um, yeah, finally somebody looked at like this Christmas tree video and it's like, wow, that's pretty interesting. And so we're in talks and I'm optimistic that we will get a project done. And he wants to use it for purposes of trying to mitigate or prevent fires spread in the future, makes perfect sense. And it's a no-brainer in California. You get a two-for-one. You get bigger trees,

and they're gonna be more resistant to fire. So, I think we'll get a project done. And when we get a project done, whether it be on a small scale or something larger, there's going to be a lot of data that the federal government will have available to them. And that really could, the company could really take off then. What about the private sector, say that I have zero confidence in the federal government, none at all, I think they're completely incompetent. What about the private sector? Say, say 75% of the farming community to use this with that reduce the carbon footprint or private forests

maybe well here's the problem with that and You know, I'm more locked into kind of the forestry and I understand that it has been a transition from agriculture to forestry and science and You know you can test on tomatoes and get a result in six months. Less than that because it turns over. So now you have the private sector, which is 56, 58% of the 750 million trees, 750 million acres of trees. And so, they are not growing those trees just to look at them. They wanna cut them down and harvest them.

And there's different harvest cycles be it 20, 30, 40 years. And so there has been interest in terms of hey, I do, it takes me, you know, I'd like to get a 30 or 40 year cycle, knock down five years. I don't make a lot of money. I don't understand how, I don't understand how I don't understand how you guys can fly here on a private jet. There's just so many benefits to this thing. I mean, I don't even think about the lumber. Yeah, but hold on, here's the story. So they're looking at it, which is not how the company is looking at it.

We would prefer the trees to stay there. But what incentive does the private forest owner have? Well, they have one incentive that if I cut a tree down every 40 years, and I could reduce that to 35 years, we'll say, but have the same yield. That's great. Now, what we've got to do I think the federal government who you don't have a lot of confidence in and do I More than I'm hoping it just it moves too slow. Yes, don't don't don't get us going down politics so

But what we have to do and this what drives crazy, they have legislations called Q45, and you gotta have tax incentives, right? And what they have, and this is for the energy sector, is there is legislations called Q45, that if you sequester carbon, and it's verified, then we will give you a tax credit, Exxon, whomever. But the way it has to be, it's got to go in the ground.

You got to dig a hole and it's got to be put in the ground. That's what the legislation calls for. Now Canada, interestingly enough, they have the same legislation, but it includes above ground, air capture, carbon sequestration. And so we took the Q45 bill. This is no joke. We took the Q45 bill and redlined it and basically took what Canada has, you know, which said, hey, if you can store it above ground, carbon, it's got to be verified.

You can get a tax credit. And so, send it to a congressman that was kind of touting that type of stuff or it seemed like he was more into it. And we did get a response, but no action. It's like, why isn't they just introduced? Okay. We have current legislation. That's like, why isn't it just introduced? Okay, we have current legislation that's all about underground. Why not do what Canada did? And we'll see if anyone is able to pull this off,

but that would then go back to private industry. You would say, look, if you can verify additional carbon sequestration, you would get a tax credit, so it would give them incentive to do it. And that should be done. Yeah. How long has it been since you started that conversation? Oh, that was probably a year ago, a year and a half ago. And you know, everybody wants to blame COVID. And so I don't know, maybe that is the reason why.

But hopefully we are kind of over the hump on the COVID thing. And now there seems to be a shift again to, okay, what are the problems facing the country? And I don't need to list those, but, you know, climate's pretty high on the list. And so we need to revisit all of that. Yeah. Have you guys reached out to any foreign governments? No. We have our hands full right here, Sean. Yeah, but why not? I'm just

curious. Well, you can only do so much, you know, working with the universities, although that is in Canada. And we have focused on the US market right now. I mean, we need to get a little more traction here. But if that falls by the wayside. If Canada has that legislation where they're gonna get a tax credit for using, we get a tax credit for using your product, correct? Yes. Is anybody, is that starting to happen?

Well, we do have somebody else up in Canada, actually who deals with the process of taking the calcium carbonate that George showed, and it has to be ground into this, you know, it's smaller than a grain of salt. And he has some interest in getting involved and trying to promote and approach the government in Canada and sell it. So we're hopeful that that will happen. But right now that's not on our radar. Okay.

You know, we need more funding. You need more help. You need more help, you need more awareness. I'm just asking because if you're running into brick walls with state and federal government here in the country, I mean, it seems like just if the United States can make that big of an impact, there are a lot of countries in the world that have a lot of landmass, you know,

and I would think South America would be a great one. It would be. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, but who else can purchase this? I mean, there's so many benefits, you know, the farming, the carbon footprint, the water issue, lumber. I mean, there's just, there's so many benefits. Can anybody purchase this, or does it need to be sold

on a mass scale, or how does that work? Could I go to you and buy this? Yes, and 20% off for you if you do this next week. Sean Wright, but no, it's available. You go to the website and you contact us, whether you need it for a gallon or two or have a small project, it's available. And we would love to get it out there and get it used.

Are you getting private people? There have been private people on a small scale. I mean, nothing huge at this point. But more and more people are finding out about it and showing interest. Last night at dinner dinner you had mentioned something with Cory Booker. Right. Yeah, Cory Booker, and this was a few years ago, and I was just thinking about that as we drove up to dinner the other day. And he had proposed, you know, we should plant 500 billion trees.

That would be the answer, okay? And so, you know, I was thinking about that. And I'm all for planning more trees. That's, that, that sounds great to me. Now, we have in this country about 300 billion trees so I am assuming he's talking about around the world. I don't know where he's gonna put all these, okay? That is great problem is

You put a one-year-old seedling in the ground and now, you know, we need to wait 20 years to really have it work. But it could be a good insurance policy, if you will, you know, in the event that green technology, you know, doesn't pan out like we all hope it does. I mean if we're not carbon neutral in 2035 or 2050, but I'll tell you, now they think about it. We should work with Booker and yeah plant trees, but what they should do is you got a dipum in Solberr, cost about a half a cent to do that. And we know because we have done studies through the University of British Columbia. One of the problems with seedlings is you're gonna have a mortality rate. You stick them in the ground and for whatever reason, too hot, too cold, you're gonna have, you know, 30%, you get different

numbers, but they don't all make it. So the one tree was so bare that we'll cut that mortality rate right in half, okay. So that's big on an economic scale. And in the university, say as we did this one study, it showed that the circumference was increased as much as 46% on these seedlings. I mean, that's huge. So now you're taking a seedling and you've got the one that's untreated and it's not quite as big as the seedling that you put a spray bottle and sprayed it in the nursery. You put that in the ground.

Okay. You know, when it's 10 years old, it's going to be bigger than the untreated one. So, I like Booker's idea. We could do that. The other thing though, if you spray the current force we have, spray it this year, you spray it next year, you spray it the year after, in terms of the overall growth rate and the carbon that you would capture, you could take care of a couple hundred billion of Cory Booker's trees right there. How often would you have to use the solution to treat the plants or the trees? Well, George, it'll be the best to answer that, but you want to do it at least annually. Yeah, I mean, you can do it once and you're going to have

You know, I can't speak to agriculture, but the force you're going to see an impact Let's see even one spray because it will have grown be a 10 or 15 or 20% more than otherwise would have and so you you have that going forward with their Now then I said right again, would there be the benefit and doing it every quarter, every six months, more than once a year. Well, let's put it this way, it, you wouldn't, there wouldn't be any harm in doing that. And that's part of on a larger scale, you know, doing tests on mature forestry and, and, um, perfecting the science and what you get. There's so many factors.

It's like, you know, is it on the west side or the east side and, you know, how it's going to impact specific species, but it's better than doing nothing. Yeah. And it doesn't cost much, Sean. Yeah. What are some of your, what would you say your major hangups are? Personally, or the company? The company. If you want to get in the personal stuff, that's great.

We've got to have a little leverage. Yeah. You know, I think it is, you know, getting government to want to get behind this, to look into it. I mean, everybody, you know, Towsar Horn, you know, we need climate change and let's have legislation. Well, okay. Let's see some action. Okay. Yeah.

What is out there? And it's like dealing with the person from the Forestry Department that is in the wild fair fire mitigation department. He is interested because he's into innovation. And we've got to find other methods if you believe or if you would like to see the global warming level off and perhaps go down and return carbon levels to the 1960s level we got to try something different and

we have the best technology out there make that happen and so the frustration is getting government to try it and to move it forward. Yeah. What a pain in the ass, the government. What can be, what can everyday people do? What do you guys need to make this thing succeed, maybe even without government assistance? Well, is that even possible?

Sure it is. That's a very good question. I mean, first of all, what we need is, you know, this is one big army, you know, you and me and everyone else. We need, you know, more people like you, you know, having us on their show. We've got to create a greater awareness about Solberr. And so we are very thankful that you had us on your show here. And, you know, hopefully your viewers will have found it to be an interesting conversation. And some may want to, you know, follow us on social media, post it themselves, repost, go to the website, solber.com, and learn a little bit more about it. Write your local congressman, Senator, and say, hey, try this.

So more awareness. Yeah, I need more wires. I mean, Sean, nature, you know, mother nature, this earth's been around, this planet's been around for a long, long time. And it's fought the battle pretty well. And right now, this is a challenging time for mother nature, perhaps more so than ever in the history of the planet. And we created the problem, mankind, if you believe that the impact of fossil fuels have caused global warming. Got a lot of benefit out of doing that.

Don't get me wrong, I mean, what would be without it? But now we have to find a way to return it to the 1960s level. And, you know, this is, as I say, there's the fight over green versus fossil fuels. And that's what this is not about. This is a lifeline for the fossil fuel industry. And it's an insurance policy for the green movement. If you guys, I feel you mentioned that earlier, but this is a great insurance policy for fossil fuel companies like ExxonMobile, BP, whoever.

Exxon mobile BP whoever I Feel like that might be your biggest ally in This whole in the game here because it is a perfect insurance policy for them If you guys reached it out to them and tried to partner with any gas companies, you know, I actually have written to Exxon. Really? Yeah. And, you know, never heard anything. But, you know, we need somebody that has some juice with Exxon. Yeah.

You know, get your foot in the door. But the thing about it is, I mean, it's, it's ready today. Okay. I mean, it's ready today. You can see that it works tomorrow and it's economical and it's the boost that Mother Nature needs to get over the hump. Well, I wish you guys the best of luck. I really appreciate you coming up here.

I'm excited about what you got going on. I hope the show reaches some people that can maybe pull some strengths for you and make some things happen. But I just want to thank you and George for coming up here or down here, I guess, over here, to Tennessee and Sharon, some of the stuff you guys have learned,

just your hang-ups and where you plan on going, along with all the facts. And I just really appreciate it. That's right. Well, thank you. I really appreciate you having us on. Let's see where this goes. My pleasure too. My pleasure. Thank you. Cheers. The Bullwork Podcast focuses on political analysis and reporting without partisan loyalties. Real sense of day job is sprinkled on our PTSD. So things are going well, I guess. Every Monday through Friday, Charlie Sykes speaks with guests about the latest stories from Inside Washington and around the world.

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