Shawn Ryan Show - #48 Dr. Steven Greer - Mystery Behind UFO / UAPs, Alien Phenomenon, and The Secret Government

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Steven M. Greer, MD, a retired emergency room Physician turned to a life of research of UFO/UAP Phenomenons, is the Founder of The Disclosure Project, The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI), The Orion Project, Sirius Technology Advanced Research, LLC and is considered one of the world’s foremost authorities on all things UFO / UAP. In this episode, Dr. Greer lays out exactly how nearly a century of information and discovery of Extraterrestrial life and technology have been hidden from the public and shrouded under a veil of dark money and secrecy. Greer explains the inner-workings of a global government that goes beyond the world's most elite intelligence agencies and infiltrated the circles of pop culture icons like Marilyn Monroe and JFK. Show Ryan Show Sponsors: https://meetfabric.com/shawn https://ziprecruiter.com/srs https://mypatriotsupply.com https://mudwtr.com/shawn - USE CODE "SHAWN" https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" Dr. Steven Greer Links: Website | Documentary | Instagram | Whistleblowers: please write to: [e-mail] Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Stock up on all your summer favorites that could only come from HB. To Texas with Love. Dr. Stephen Greer is one of the world's foremost authorities on the subject of UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and exotic technologies. For more than 30 years, Dr. Greer has provided briefings for senior government officials across the globe conducted numerous media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures. He has written five books and produced four feature film documentaries that have been seen by hundreds of millions of people.

He is currently working on a documentary scheduled for release in late 2023 called The Lost Century and How to Reclaim it. The documentary addresses how energy solutions have been suppressed in the past and how they could now come out for the benefit of all mankind using an open source strategy. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been telling you that I was going to dive into this subject for a long time and now we have one of the leading experts on extraterrestrials in free energy. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Dr. Stephen Greer to the Sean Ryan show. If you haven't, please go down, hit the subscribe button, hit the like button, leave us a comment

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Leave us a review and then head over to, and leave us a review over there. All right, without further ado, please welcome Dr. Steven Greer to the Sean Ryan Show. Dr. Greer, welcome to the Sean Ryan Show. Great to be here, thanks for having me. It is an honor to have you sitting across there. I've been following your work for A while now. I've watched all the documentaries. It's fascinating information that you're that you're putting out I I can't believe you're even sitting here It's just it's a real honor

But I'd be with you and thank you for your service and everyone listening who served our country I appreciate that. Thank you for saying service and everyone listening who served our country. I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that. So just a little bit about you. I gave you an introduction just a few seconds ago, but you've briefed every president since Bill Clinton on the subject of UFOs. You have three personal friends that have been assassinated since I believe May 9th of 2001. Those were before. Those were before. May 9th, the reason I bring up May 9th 2001 is that's when you first hosted the National Press Club for the UFO Disclosure Project, which ironically was just four months before September 11th, 2001, where over 20 intelligence officers came forward with information about UFOs, right? whistleblowers. The main reason you're here is whistleblowers.

Would you like to go in there? Yeah, I do. And I want to start early on. So the way this evolved in the early 90s, I'd started a project dealing with this. And we had set up a protocol where we had made contact with these objects. That ended up being on the front page of the Pensacola Florida paper.

Army intelligence and CIA found out about it and then they came in and started asking me, what are you doing? How are you doing this? And that started a whole process where people in, there were friendlies and unfriendlies in the US government and other governments who reached out. And the friendlies were people who were very much read into some of these projects who knew that they had been managed illegally. And they began to advise me. Now, I've never been in the US government,

never been in the military, never been in the intelligence community. So I started out pretty cold and pretty green. I'm an emergency doctor, trauma, big ER, each of us all 6,000 people a year, a gun and knife club, we called it. And by 93, I was at being asked to go up and brief the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton, R. James Woolsey. Now, you know, I'm a 30-some-year-old medical doctor going up and I, the letter that came to me and this is the key point I want to make, stated. And I have it. It's in my archive. It's going to come out pretty soon publicly. And it says you're going to be the first person to brief the Clinton administration and the director

of the CIA on this issue because they've made inquiries and have been denied access. Now huge red flags you go over, everyone's head right now. You're talking about the President of the United States, the director of the CIA making through channels and inquiry on something that they know is happening, and they're being denied access. So immediately I knew either that was a lie or the whole enterprise has gone off the rails in terms of being managed illegally and improperly. So at that point, I went up and took the meeting. The cover story was an inner party for me and my wife and the C.I.

director and his wife who was the chief operating Officer of National Academy of Sciences and our host, who was a think tank director for the Pentagon and his wife, so they're six of us. And sure enough, he was very shaken, he absolutely had not been read in. And so I provided him a lot of information. And I brought a whole briefcase full of evidence. I mean, this positive evidence documents photographs this, that and this is 30 years ago this year. December 13, 1993. So at that point, my whole paradigm tilted where I realized there's

something very wrong with this. I didn't know anything about, you know, the popular terms now, or the counter-stater, the deep-stater, secret government illegal projects on and on and on. It was off my radar. It totally. You had no idea at the time. No. That any of that was happening. This was, yeah, I had actually sort of a serious PTSD over this because it was like completely upended in my world. Am I thinking about our country and what had happened? So I started digging into this and Emion full-time emergency doctor was chairman of the department.

And I got more and more involved. And I made a call, an early call, for people to come forward who did know about this. And at that time, the disclosure project in that incarnation, let's call it, was called Project Starlight. And Project Starlight was a briefing process for the executive branch and then eventually members of Congress. So I ended up putting together all this information. And whistleblower testimony documents. I ended up receiving some top secret documents that were not declassified that I have and

I published because we came to the conclusion that these projects are being run unconstitutionally and therefore all personnel, all evidence and all documents pertaining to them have no protection over the National Security Act. They cannot be kept secret if they're going to operate outside the oversight of the constitutional oversight requirements of the President and the Congress. What were some of the things that were in the top secret documents? Well, I have one that's from Nellis, so called Area 51 area, where there was a security alert, price, some civilian groups, trying to see what was going on there, and it has to distribution list.

The document isn't that important except for, because it was a security alert, you know, but the distribution list is important, because it has the project code names and code numbers. That document, which was dated 1990, the 90s, one of the documents I gave, for example, to the president's people, and also eventually, when I briefed the J2, the head of intelligence joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Wilson.

And that was on the top of the pile, because I said, look at the distribution list here, follow that thread. And so, for example, in the case of Admiral Wilson, now, you know, he's head of intelligence joint staff, Admiral, he made an inquiry into this, on a portfolio I had couriered to him, but he was denied access. There's public documents now about this that leaked out. And what happened is that he was also threatened personally and with emotion. So this was all happened kind of prior to my stand-up briefing at the Pentagon Forum, which happened in 1997, 25, over 25 years ago, 26. And it was a very disturbing

event for him. For me, by then, I was battle hard and I realized what was going on. He was shocked that he had been threatened and denied access to these projects. I wasn't, because I said, well, you're in good company. The Sec. Deft, Secretary of Defense has the president, the director of the CIA, and by then I had met with members of key members in the Congress and Senate Intelligence Committee. they had all been pushed aside and denied access. So by then I had already accepted this new paradigm of there being as Senator Inui said, and I'm quoting, there's a secret government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism that's above the law and free from the law itself. I'm almost giving an exact quote here. And you know,

that's something that most people have to understand first off here is that what we're dealing with is not a sanctioned or even a normal black project. And I can say this with authority because I am working now with people who literally manage the black budget of the United States, currently. And they were denied access to all these projects. They had no idea that there were deep black pass through projects. We'll get into this. How is this done?

Structurally, organizationally, was the architecture. So it took me a long time to unravel this. And I had to do it through multiple documents corroborating witnesses, people on the inside, who came forward. So in 2001, by then, I had concluded neither the White House nor the Congress was going to touch this. So we launched the Global Disclosure Project where I gathered together the first 20 some of these military and some corporate people and had a press club event and it ended up being seen by about 800 million people. Interestingly, the first hour of it was jammed.

There had been jamming devices put on the structure of the National Press Club, but it eventually got up and it used up every T1 line in the city available back in the year 2001. And what happened from that was that then there was a whole movement watch that is going to this day. It's a very slow process. You're dealing with US government moves like a glacier. That's complimentary. But I think that the reality is you can't blame people. They're the sweeping conspiracy theories that are all wrong.

Somehow, I was just talking to a congressman yesterday, who had this idea that there were people in his party, who were hiding things from him because they knew things, because the process going on now in the congress much of it is in classified skiffs and briefings that I know about. But in reality, those people who are trying to get to the bottom of this, they don't know anything. I mean, they're still asking, you know, is that tick-tack, you know, as they call it, this UFO footage, you can drop it in that are hornets, 18th for chasing an office, San Diego. Is that, you know, from China? And of course, soon as I saw it, I matched it to a 1967 image we have of a Lockheed Skunk Works, so-called anti-gravity device.

So that would be us. So us, US, well, let's call it global. It's part of this secret government asset base. So to give people a little deeper unpacking of this is like at the end of the meeting with Admiral Wilson. So I'm doing the stand-up brief. It's supposed to be 45 minutes in his conference room at the Pentagon. And I have Ashrenna Egrimitchal is there who is the sixth man to walk in the moon,

my military advisor, and a couple witnesses, whistleblowers. And this goes on for almost like three hours, two or three hours, much longer. He kept canceling appointments because he was sewing, you know, concerned. And at the end of it, I said, look, we really need your help getting to the bottom of this and getting these rogue, illegal projects under control. He says, well, what am I going to do? He says, I can't add, I'll be rogue unless the Secretary of Defense and the president authorize me to do something like this. And I said, well, that's not going to be forthcoming.

I've already... we've already attempted that. And he also said something that was very spooky. He said, how do I take on a group that have technologies that can do circles around the best thing I know we have a B2 stealth. He says, that's the best thing I know to deploy. And I have found out and I have now convinced there is a secret organization that have technologies that can literally do circles around my B2. And I said, yes, and he said, it's point set match. I said, he says, I don't even know how to take that on. And that is how that meeting ended. It was very grave. And I went, well, you know, there's a difference. Those projects are being run outside the law.

And I said, you know, the law is only what you empower is only what you use. If you don't use the law and if you don't use power, then you let sociopaths and criminals run amok. And unfortunately, that's what's happened since the late 1950s. I later found it was on Eisenhower's watch. Unfortunately, he was old, he was tired, he was forced to our general World War to, that this group of the secret government groups sort of seized control over these operations. So in reality, the constitutional government of the United States has not been in a proper oversight and control of these operations since the late 1950s.

Since the, so 70 years, yeah, almost 60, yeah, two thirds of a century. Wow. So that's sort of just to give an overview of how this evolved. And now it's evolved to a very big event that's happened about a month ago, a month and a half ago, the Congress passed, and the president signed a law

that has for the Defense Funding, National Defense Authorization Act. And it explicitly allows people to come out as witnesses, whistleblowers, on the UAP UFO issue, including contractors, not just government employees, but contractors like Lockheed Skunk Works and Northrop Raytheon, Booz Allen Hamilton, Miter Corporation, SAIC, these are all big, chief primary contractors working on the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial material and also the building up of systems based on that and other technologies.

So what do you think it took so long for this build to come about? It just has that, you know, when we released about five years ago, five and a half years ago, unacknowledged. So people who have Amazon Prime or Houtube or Hulu or whatever, that documentary got about in the first six months, 760 million people see it. Numbers that was pirated, dark web, pirate bay, whatever, it's fine. What I'm doing is not for profit, purpose of educating the public on this. I left my medical career to fix this massive problem for not only our

country but for the world and the future of humanity. But that caused a lot of stir and it triggered a series of events that has now led a few years ago to the law being passed that the director of national intelligence must report on this issue to the Congress. But now, I told folks that I'm working with, and I can't disclose exactly who they are, but they're the most senior people. And said, look, there needs to be a clear pathway, because the only way you're going to get this, you're not going to get this through the chain of command. You're going to have to get people who come in as whistleblowers and witnesses who are direct

witnesses to this. Even if it's a small part of what they saw, maybe they were only guarding a hanger where there was one of these triangular objects that my uncles will come up. My uncle worked on the lunar module, but the first man on the men, North of Grumman. But we just part of how I had an interest in this. If your uncle kind of put the first man on the moon or was part of that, it's sort of a fun thing for a little boy. I was 14 when we landed on the moon. But it was just a great thing to have a family member involved with that.

But I think that most people underestimate how important every little detail is. So what I did in the 90s up to the 2001 event, what I've done since is put together sort of a whole puzzle, a mosaic, based on thousands of little pieces of data. So, you know, the evidence is easy to get your mind around one at a time. What's hard to get your mind around is the entire intelligence analysis that has to go with it. So that's what I've specialized in. It's gathering that data and then connecting all the dots. How does this corporate operation interface with this base and this skiff for people don't know the

secure compartmented information facility. Yeah a skiff is a skiff is where highly highly classified documents conversations mission planning right that they the that's where it all happens right in a skiff right yeah and I've been involved with that although I wasn't supposed to be, but I get ushering into places, even though I've never been in the government. And I've never, I will not accept a clearance or a secrecy of, or non-disclosure agreement. So all this I'm telling you, I can tell you, because I hold, people who know the system or know I hold my own clearance, this in that sense.

I can say what I want to whomever. What my rule is is that if, let's say you or someone who had been involved in an operation at the Dugway Proving Grounds out in Utah, which is there's a dumps there, deep underground military bases, very much involved with this issue. And there are assets there. Manmade, anti-gravity, very advanced aircraft.

That we have people who have been there who have seen them come up at night and move out, they'd be huge black triangles. And those are ours, by the way. Now there are some extra terrestrial ones that are similar. So if you can envision that there's almost any airfoil or superstructure that they've observed that's of an extra-tressful origin, they've been able to create, let's say, copycat or similar. So this makes it very confusing. And unfortunately, opens up the possibility of a number of false flag or what Pentagon called deceptive indications and warnings,

operations or false flag operations. So let's say that you're one of those guys. And you come to me, you say, my name is so-and-so. Here's my DD214, you prove you were there, but you say, I don't want to ever be identified publicly. But I will go into the skiff to provide this information to the people who have now made this pathway for me to come forward legally. Then I will arrange for that to happen. That's what we're doing. And I'm making a call right now. Anyone no matter how small or larger involvement was over the last 70 years with this issue.

There's a pathway, there's a door open. we don't know how long it'll stay open. But it's been a lot of work to get to this point. It's a very big breakthrough that there is this legal mechanism so that the constitutional government of the United States can get informed on this properly. informed on this properly. And what I discovered, man, this was a very strange thing from 93 to now. Every time I take a meeting with a high-level member of the US government, who should know about this given their rank or their position. For example, when I briefed, what years ago, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Patrick Hughes, a three-star. Well, as anyone knows, it's been the military. That position is the top of the food chain for military intelligence, period.

It's, you know, in the DIA, it's like the CIA for civilian. It's its military. He had completely been denied access. The director of the DIA is completely denied access. I had multi-hour meeting with him in his office with my senior folks. And it was another, see these data points, people remember them as I go through them.

How, you know, in what universe can the head of the DIA or the CIA or the president or the chair people of armed services in the Senate or the select committee on intelligence not have been read in on this if When we are funding it we estimate there's somewhere over the last 70 years 8 to 10 trillion dollars that have gone into these projects that are unaccounted for Remember did they before 9-11 we have a videotape of runs filled at the Pentagon. I'm not sure he knew it was being recorded because I'm shocked that he said it. And it's in unacknowledged the documentary. And he says, and then this is now 21, 22 years ago, he says, there's $2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for in the Department of Defense budgets. Trillion, not billion.

How do you have that much money unaccounted for? Oh, you do. Let me give you an example. I believe it. They say, you know, it costs two billion dollars of playing to make the B2 stealth. It's about 150 million. The rest of it goes through the back door into these unsanctioned projects that neither the president nor the Congress knows, never mind the American people. Multiply that across the whole system. So we'll get into this in a moment. There are other more creative ways of this organization, this secret, illegal organization. I've used this group that's doing this as the world's largest RICO, racketeering influence

corrupt organizations like Amoffia. But they become pretty much untouchable to now. And I'm not saying we need to go after them aggressively in a negative way, but it needs to be disclosed. And we need to have the people's representatives and the constitutional government at least informed about it, and they are not. The thing that's most shocking to me, even to this day, is that every time I take a meeting with this and you're meeting with someone of that rank, like the General Hughes, here's a three-star in charge of DIA, it was so

crazy that he's sitting there and we start talking. He had made inquiries through the chain of command at DIA. He says, the only thing I've gotten, he goes over to it in its conference room for the general. He had a bookshelf. And there was a little, you know, corny little, like ET doll, like you'd see it at a toy store. And he grabs it.

He says, this is all I've gotten for my inquiries like you'd see it at a toy store. And he grabs it. He says, this is all I've gotten for my inquiries through the channels. He's in a rage. I said, and I was going, yes, sir, this has happened to most of your folks who are in your position. Unless they were brought in and came up through the ranks because they were identified as sociopaths who would break the law and run an unsanctioned illegal operation for decades. There's your criteria. Now people like yourself, let's say you had been assigned to a project dealing with this.

You'd have no way of knowing as it way up at the food chain that this was an illegal operation. There would be no foundation. So you would have been completely innocent. So all of you guys listening and women who, if you have been involved with this, you're not culpable because you're not at that policy-making level where you are willfully insubordinate to the Constitution, which, you know, everyone takes a note to protect and defend the Constitution, the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic,

writ large domestic here. Because you know, the worst treasonous acts that have ever happened to any country that falls is from within. Yeah. So that's what we're talking about here. So I want to be very clear about it. I know I'm coming on a little bit strong on it, but I am so outraged after dealing with this for 30 years and seeing this drag on.

So one of my concern is that now that this law is in place, and it's only a month and a half on, right, we need to move expeditiously quickly through that door, this opened. Because who knows when some of me slam it shut. And there's a window we have to go through. And I think that we've started that process. So what I'm doing is putting out a call, a request, and to appeal to people's patriotism. My father was hand-to-hand combat on amphibious landing unit World War II, and had pretty bad PTSD from that, although they didn't know what that was. But I kind of feel like we have to look at this and go, given how this is operating, it's our patriotic duty to fix this problem,

just from the point of view of the rule of law and civilization and the Constitution, otherwise what are we? We're a bunch of monkeys running around the jungle without the law. Yeah. The other issue is, what's behind the secrecy? That's what?

That was my question. It know, that was when I my first meetings with people like the CI director after like 10 minutes going through the evidence he says yeah yeah I know this is real. He wanted to know why is it this level of secrecy? Who's keeping it secret? How are they doing this? So that is actually the bigger question. The evidence you can get your mind around. We have it. It's been out there. If you look at Unignolage, if you get the book, do we have a book called Disclosure? It's 500 Some Pages of Transcripts of these original top secret people's testimony

and documents. It's all in there. So you can get disclosure book, you can get unacknowledged the book, it goes with the documentary. It's there. But understand, and we also describe how this is operating. But the why behind it is kind of banal, you know, in the sense of it's money and power. So let's say you have something that was fit on a little table this big, and it's a generator, and it's pulling an energy out of what's called the quantum vacuum, or a zero-point energy field, which was proven to exist back in the 50s. Now, physicists have described this energy field. If you had a coffee mug,

the amount of space in that coffee mug has enough potential power to boil off all the oceans of the world. Quote unquote, it's what Tesla called not the fake car company. Actually, Nikola Tesla, I call it fake Tesla cars, because if they're plugged into the grid, they're not real Teslas. We'll get into this. But that energy field is everywhere and you can tap into it.

And when you tap into it, you're tapping into this energy field that can be converted to electricity or thrust. So is the energy field, is it everything in between objects? Is that, it's not just between it's within. So if you take, let's take the chair you're sitting in or I'm in. It's occupying a volume of space. When you get past the molecular to the atomic level of this,

and then subatomic, the quarks, you get this into this pluripodent, it's like the foam at the surface of the deep ocean. Okay. That all of matter is fluxing in and out of. The early Lockheed Skunk Works man-made UFOs were called flux liners. Flux liners, yep. They were pulling energy from this quantum vacuum flux field.

Very advanced physics. I mean, we understand it very well. I want to put your audience to sleep going into the arcane of the physics of it. But the point I'm making is that was mastered decades ago. This technology has been around for decades. Well, about 100 years that there has been empirical evidence of this energy field, Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field. There were others who discovered it all the way back to the late 1800s. Now, they didn't have the physics down of what was happening,

but in terms of just observing the phenomenon empirically. You know, here you set up a high-voted system suddenly, more energy is coming out than you're putting in. There's a called over-unity systems or free energy because once you get it tapped, it's just flowing. Right? And so that means that every home, business, car, manufacturing, village in Africa would be able to have a device that would not be very expensive, frankly, to mass manufacture, that would generate all the energy they need for all the

needs that we have for a modern civilization. And this would be wonderful. There's no pollution, there's no radiation, and once you have the system, there's no cost. There's no refueling. The bad news is that if you're an oligarch, a global oligarch controlling the macroeconomic system, big oil, big global systems. And let me translate for those of you who've been in the Middle East are vital national security interests translates to one word, O-I-L, oil, energy.

So the problem is, if that technology were to be disclosed, it's a quadrillion dollars. It's a quite trillion dollars. It's a thousand trillion dollars or more in proven assets, oil, gas, coal, public utilities that are obsolete. It's like a royal tie prider, a horse and buggy. That's what they're protecting. So the entire energy field, everything,

that has anything to do with energy becomes completely obsolete at this point. Yeah. And all transportation systems, internal combustion engines, jet engines, rockets, surface roads. So now, surface roads, I say that only because when you take that same physics and do a torsion, a counter-rotating field, you can get what's called an electro-gravitic effect, where or anti-gravity, pop culture term, it's a terrible term, it's not anti-gravity, but you can collect, create this electromagnetic field where an object becomes essentially weightless and Can move this is why you if you look at the radar tracing so these things these objects can be moving at 200,000 miles an hour make a right-hand turn And they're occupants on these now you know I mean any pilot knows if you had the G forces of that your brains would come out of your nose

There's no way it'd be fatal. But because it's connecting for one G and there's sort of a bubble, an envelope and space time that this object is moving in, there's no limit to what it can do. So you don't feel the G. They don't fill it and go straight up at like one of the radar things we have from Belgium, from I got from the Belgian Air Force, was an object that was that, you know, slightly above AGL, a few feet above ground level, and we're from there to boom, like 100,000 feet and one radar swoop, you know, boom. We have a lot of cases like that that we've collected. And the question at this point is, how is that happening?

Well, we know how that's happening. And so here's the issue with disclosing all this. When you get past the superficial level, here's a machine, here's a device, here's this. The scientists, like myself, are going to say, well, how is it doing that? And if they have a thinking brain, which of course is the biggest assumption now

with our educational system, collapsing, it's sorry to say, but, my God, I mean, the kids that are now trying to get educated in the system now, God help us all. So, but the fact is that it's gonna be asked. Now, what's interesting is that the Pentagon has officially said those objects that are that were have been released of the Tic Tac and other UFOs that have been documented with sensors on chips, on board aircraft, and in space while they're not disclosing

those sensors, but I know what they are. Those are physical objects moving without any known means of propulsion. Go look at what's been said by the Pentagon. Now, the person who said that the Pentagon says, we don't know how they're moving because that spokesman hasn't been read in to these deep black projects that are in this parallel universe of this secret government. It's been my job to collect the actionable intelligence, the documents, and the people who know this and put it together, and put it in the four of the five eyes, which are of course, you know, US, Canada, Australia, a UK. I have not done it for New Zealand.

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He used to come with sea lords. I love the British. They're fantastic. A sea lords. And he had been head of the M.O.D., which means in the U.K., your head of M.I.5 and M.I.6, like our CIA and stuff. But he was also head of the Military Committee for NATO. And I met with him at his house in Wiltshire, no hint and hampshire in England some years ago. And he asked me to come because he wanted me to bring the briefing document that I had put together for the president. I think

with that time it was the late Clinton years. And I said, all right, I'll come over. And I went over with my four daughters and wife and they went off to see the Salisbury Cathedral and I went and met with this former M.O.D. head and he was livid. He says, this never what came across my desk. I was never read into this. And I said, and yet I have files from your own M.O.D. about the landing of one of these objects at the vent waters. Rendles from Far as vent waters air force space. Mill kidding. Yep.

I have the documents. I have the trace landing. I have the US military air force people's testimony that were there. So at this point, I have about 1,100 of these folks. What's a trace landing? When one of these, in this case, it was an extraterrestrial vehicle, not one of the man-made ones.

We call them E-T-Vs for the ones that are extraterrestrial origin. The ones that are man-made are often called ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles, meaning that they're simulating not totally, but simulating the energy propulsion capabilities of what we've reversed engineered and studied since the 40s. Okay. We'll get into this in a moment. What's the technology transfer arc from the 40s to now? That's very interesting.

It's going to be in our new film called The Lost Century and how to reclaim it is the subcaption title. But the minister of defense was furious and he was a bit bombastic and piercing blue eyes, real character. And I think he was hurt. I mean, if you have that level of responsibility and you find out you were zoomed, I'm probably the most important military and intelligence issue in the 20th century, in 21st century.

He said, well, why wouldn't they have told me that it becomes personal with these men? And I said, well, let me ask your question with a question. And he said, oh, what do you mean? He thought it was being an impertinent yank, which I can be, but, but, no, I was doing it as sort of a way of sort of illustrating this point. And I said, well, what would you have done if you had found out that there was an organization and a project global, global, that had engaged in assassinations, wet works of innocent people, killings, so CIE term, wet works for, you know, if you're on the watch group list, which

I have been on. And that is engaging in all manner of criminal activities up to including drug running has embezzled trillions of dollars from Western economies. And they have the technologies that would save the Earth's biosphere in a generation in poverty. But they are now an existential threat to the world and to the United States and your country and the United Kingdom. He almost jumped out of his chair and says, I wouldn't have stood for a bloody minute like that, just in a rage. I went, well, that's what they didn't tell you.

He says, what do you mean? I said, because you're not associate path. You're not someone who would absolutely, willfully know about that and go along with that agenda. And if they, I call it because I'm a doctor, I call it a soul biopsy. They do a deep psychological analysis and they will test people early on in their career if they will do the right thing or the wrong thing.

And if you're willing to do things that you know are ethically wrong to get ahead, it's the very definition of a sociopath. Then you get groomed little by little by little by little. And I said, but you are deemed not to be of the right stuff, not John Glenn astronaut right stuff, but the right stuff for someone who would be involved at that level, higher level, because you were not you would never have gone along with that agenda. And if you hadn't gone along with it and you knew about it, they would flat out kill you. Absolutely. Like the Secretary for our stall, for a fact. It was thrown out of a hospital window and killed.

General George S. Patton, and a Ledge automoblacks and was killed because he was wanted to disclose to the public the anti-grave device that looked like a saucer that we got from Germany in 1945. I know how do I know this? Because Paul Mellon, one of the few billionaires in the world who funded Adolf Hitler along with George, I mean the Prescott Bush, George H. W. Bush's father,

Henry Ford and Watson of IBM. Paul Mellon was one of the few billionaires at the end of the World War II, the Mellon family. And his grandson's on my team, who happens to have been Senator John Warner's son, the Republican Senator from Virginia, just passed away. And Paul Mellon told John Warner the fourth that when the war ended, they went over and grabbed this thing because Adolf Hitler, his aerospace geniuses, were working on this disk that was not jet or rocket. It was electro-gravitic. It was electromagnetic. They hadn't perfected it. They were working on that. We had the atomic bomb. But they brought it back and, you know, patent was going, George patent was going,

this is amazing what this would do for the world. No, no, this is going to be deep black. And he did not think that was a wise decision to do. So they took him out, made it look like an automobile accident. So this kind of skulled duggery happened. So I told the minister of defense, this is why they're not going to tell you. So I told the minister of defense, this is why they're not going to tell you. And because you're a good man, you're a patriotic, you're sincere, you have morals and integrity and ethics, no one like that's going to get at the top of that food chain. Because by definition, you've got to be somebody willing to subvert the law and do all manner of horrific things. And this is where people have to understand.

There have been CI directors who were involved with this. I dealt with one who was helping us after he retired. Bill Colby, CI director Colby. One was a director. Ford Nixon era. OK. Way before my time. But he was an old guy wanting to help us. A lot of these people, you know, when they get old enough to think they're going to meet

their maker, they get a conscience or they change, have a change of heart, you know, as they get up into their 70s, 80s, you know, like that. But it has nothing to do with your rank. This is what people have to get their head around, whether you're a president, CIA director, SECDEF, this senator, this member of parliament, if you know about it, it's because you were read in because you're willing to go along with that agenda. If you don't know about it, you have the same rank. It's because they assess that you wouldn't go along with that agenda, which is an illegal operation. So this is what everyone needs to get their heads around. I was the only way

to resolve this or people who don't, I had this fire of test where I started out very early in my work on this, involved with the director of the CIA and the head of Army intelligence and all these sort of people. For a reason we can get into it in a moment because basically my group had discovered the Rosetta Stone of being able to contact these objects and it works. Go look at the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. It's kind of out there stuff, but it's real. So I think that when you start to entertain this idea of how this is structured, you got to get your mind first around that. But also, on top of the fact, and this is a really key point, please listen carefully

to this, we have this bill that we work to get through that's now gives a pathway for anyone to come forward. Now, you know, they will be coming forward to folks who are going to take them into a skiff and it will be TSSCI type stuff. So their testimony may or may not get to the public. If they provide it and are willing to provide it, I will provide it to the public. we'll provide it to the public. Why? So listening very carefully, by 1997 and the fall, we had concluded my military advisors and all these people that I had sort of a kitchen cabinet. It was really everything you're hearing me done. We've done without office, without a paid staff, without a budget. So I'll be in a labor love love. You know, I put probably 15 million into doing this.

15 million. Yeah. Ernie's and everything. I don't care. You know, when I realized what was at stake, it's like, you know, I walked away from my medical career to do this, which is very hard. I still have dreams of being in the ER doing stuff,

you know, but that chapter is closed. And plus I'm too old. I'm 67, so, you know, that's not an older guy's game, it's tough. I was mountain biking surf, that's fun. But what you realize over the, by this time, I've gone through all these meetings and briefings. I said, well, this is an illegal, unsanctioned operation.

And if it's illegal, it's outside the Constitution. And therefore, all the National Security Act laws and all the non-disclosure agreements, all these men have signed, are vitiated. They're no-invoient, canceled. So we wrote a letter, and those of you in the military may know this, this, this kind of a r ruse It's called a UNOD unless otherwise directed letter And the way it works is

I wrote a letter that's an assessment and it said based on the following meetings and Intelligence we've gathered it's our assessment that all projects related to the UFO issue including the man-made research and development projects, and the extraterrestrial issue, have been run in an illegal fashion outside the Constitution because the people who should know if they were sanctioned don't. And they have been deliberately lied to and deceived.

Because of that, they cannot enforce legally in any court in the land, a prosecution against any whistleblower, anyone with materiel, and anybody with documents. I gave 90 days for all that different aid. It went to every head of every agency in relevant Department of Justice FBI, the whole alphabet suit. for all that different A. It went to every head of every agency in relevant Department of Justice FBI's, you know, the whole alphabet suit. We termed receipt requested. So you got it, it's time for it, got it back. And I waited the 90 days

and then I declared, okay, now we're gonna go public. So I pivoted from doing these private offsite often briefings for members of Congress and executive level folks over to a publicly disclosed project. And that was how Project Starlight, which was this quiet operation that I was doing just with senior folks in the government, became the disclosure project. And so the disclosure project then led to the 2001 national press club event you mentioned in the homemade knife. But it was, there was a process here. I want people to understand.

I wanted to dot my eyes and cross my teeth that I wasn't running a foul of the law. And I was going to give the US government every opportunity to do the right thing and get their move into this issue. And they wouldn't. The president was intimidated, members of Congress didn't know what to do about it because they were individual members. They hadn't come together and passed the law. That took another 20 years. I'm trying to give you the arc of this, to give you the context. So at that point, we did it. And I had the first 100 or so of these guys that we have on videotape, and then about 22 of them came to the National Press Club event.

Now the ones that are the more deeper sources, some of them didn't want to come forward because they were afraid. And even though they knew about my, unless otherwise directed letter, that was from a civilian making the statement. And they wanted an official pathway. And I said, well, I don't control the Congress. I can only, you know, sort of advise folks and if they don't do it now And this is why this is such a huge breakthrough for your people listening to this show

There are a lot of Navy SEALs and Delta guys and forced guys and certain marine branches that have been at facilities been operatively tactically or operationally involved We need you to contact us. And here's the website, seriousdisclosure.com, but you just write to info at syr.usdisclosure.com. And we'll have it very confidentially. If you don't want to be known publicly, you never will be, but I will arrange for you to be brought

to the correct people in DC who are the best folks I've ever found. They're former, you know, special operations, military that are now the equivalent of a, if they were in the military, they'd be a two-star general, but they're working in the congressional end, helping with this. And they're not known by the public. It's not what you see in the media.

And they will see that that information gets to the people who need to know. I can't be more specific because I'm walking a razor's edge here with the more I'm saying. But that's what we're doing. And we need people to understand that this is a patriotic duty given what is at stake? Because here's what at stake. This episode is brought to you by Redbox RX. Get extension like lashes without the work with Redbox RX. They'll help provide a prescription for Bometaprost, a medically proven eyelash serum with the same FDA-approved active ingredient as Lateez. You can see longer, thicker, darker eyelashes in just eight weeks, and at Redbox RX, it's only $11.40 a week. You won't find a cheaper price online.

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in the United States. That's been completely subverted by this issue and the people who control it. Secondly, the future for our children. I mean, I just had my 12-scran child born. What kind of world do we have? You know, I always tell people, we don't have a free market. How do you have a free market if the most important scientific technologies in the last hundred years have been ruthlessly suppressed, people killed, and they've been illegally classified so that we're still burning diesel in jet fuel A. We don't need it.

Now do you want to talk a little bit about why they're hiding all this technology when it comes to free energy, with the utilities utilities and everything just to piece it together for everybody I do it's it it's one word or two words money and power Now when you're talking about most of us think gee money. Do I have enough money to put my kids through college? These guys are that's not the issue. It's massive macroeconomic geopolitical power because now we're talking hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets. Now keep in mind the entire US government budget, whatever it is, five trillion dollars, it's a rounding error. And most of that's not discretionary

spending. That's entitlements, Medicare, Medicaid, so security. So when you're looking at these interests that want to maintain the status quo of the world financial, macroeconomic, and energy system, they will do almost anything to maintain that, even if it kills the planet, keeps, you know, right now there's three billion souls on the planet that don't have any way to cook their food, through chopping down rainforests

and shrubbing the desert in Africa. They don't have any electricity or a gas. Three billion. This just came out in the economist, the mainstream economic journal. So how do we, and that goes builds into the extreme poverty it leads to radicalization, terrorists, resentment of the West. I mean, there are huge implications for this mistake that was made almost a century ago. Now, you know, and this is known by a number of people, you know, know, what a huge mistake this is. So when you're talking about the motivation here,

I mean, people have killed for a lot more than $900 trillion. And the level of corruption is worrisome. Now in 92, General Albert Stubblebind III, a BERT who had been head of special forces in Army Intelligence Fort Wachuka. He intercepted me after we had this major contact event, Alvin Florida, in near Pensacola. And he subsequently, about a month later, personally offered me $2 billion to not pursue what I was doing and become part of his team. $2 billion, you know, in 92.

And I thought it was a joke, and it wasn't. And he described to me a sort of a black fund that they had gotten from the collapse of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe and that I would have complete access and control over it. But I have to be on their sort of team. They were trying to neutralize what I was doing. And as many people know, the CIA and some of those organizations have remote viewers who use consciousness to see remote places in the future. Yeah, they've done studies with the Monroe Institute. Oh, yeah, I knew Bob Monroe, all these guys. And he goes, Juan, as a friend of mine, all these guys.

But so they knew what kind of trouble this could make, I could make. So people understand, have to also get their mind around the kind of just sheer, bribery corruption that happens on top of threats, op-o research, the makeup, fake photos and videos to defame you. I've been called everything you can be, and then they try to buy you off, and they have to, they have to, they'll try to kill you.

If you're doing things at this level, I've been like such a troublemaker for them. I mean, it's, I think it's not so hard to believe anymore, you know? Well, anyone who's done your work can see the kind of things that could happen. I can see it, but I think a lot of the US population can't see it, unfortunately, I think the, maybe unfortunately, but fortunately, the Epstein trials, you know, and then everything that happened around of that around that It's you know the judge was there was a assassination attempt on the judge Epstein didn't kill himself all these things, you know, and and so it's it's becoming more I

Hate to say accepted. Yeah, I hate to say accepted, but it is, it's out there. And it's becoming more and more and more common. Well, and I think that you so imagine the stakes of something like you just mentioned, which I had no knowledge of, and it's just whatever, you know, people are weird. Imagine something a million fold, in terms of its implications for the stakeholders who want to maintain their hegemony and control of the global military industrial financial sector. That's the level we're talking about.

We're not talking about the boots on the ground, the guys who are the kernels who managed. I just brought a lieutenant kernel to DC who had been involved with these projects. And he had been watching what I've been doing for 20 years and was waiting for this law to pass. So what I'm saying is that we really need to have people come forward now. I'm actually begging people. We've worked so hard to get to this point. And it's, it really is, I know that most people who have come forward, they were involved for a brief period of time, or they were in an office here, or a skiff there, or a military facility, or a corporate research project.

And they don't know necessarily this whole picture. And so they are not culpable. They're not guilty of having done anything improper. They were doing as they were told. And they thought it was all being run properly, legally. It wasn't. So they were used. And I think that they're that's very important. And so they have no liability. And now they're protected by the law and they're protected

if we have to tactically security, which I have. And but I think at this point, that sort of thing can't happen because the profile on this is so high. I can reach, I have a bunch of celebrities who like what we're doing. Something like that happens that I know about in my team. There would be a billion people know about it. Well, you want to talk a little bit about the suppression of all this stuff and project Mockingbird?

You go into that? Well, Mockingbird was one project, but it's an ongoing process that started really in full bore in the 50s. And that was to have major media people who were dual agents. They were in the media, but they were also on the payroll of the agency, the CIA, or others. And I have a document we published from 92, where it says, as a CIA document, we have people in every major news organization. It says it flat out that we're there to control, stop, alter stories at our request. So here's, you know, I mentioned one myth and that is that we have a free market and a free economy. We don't. It's managed.

Because there's no way we have a free market economy when the most important sciences and technologies the last 100 years have been ruthlessly suppressed. But the other myth that Americans buy into is that we have a free press and the fourth of state, as it's called, a check and balance against successes. But the major media, and also now the major tech companies are actually actively involved in suppressing the story or spinning it.

Now, what do I mean? When you see people on CNN or CBS 60 minutes, the folks that they will allow to talk about it are people that have been cherry-picked by this cabal, the Secret Government Group, to say what they're told to say it scripted. Do you have any examples of this? Yes, of course. Nick Pope, Lou Elisando, Chris Mellon, all those guys. Okay.

And they have been, I know for a fact, been told what to say. And so they say, number one, first big lie, these were a threat to the national security, inferring that from outer spacers of threat. It's not true. Civilizations that are hundreds of thousands to millions of years more advanced than we are, if they were a threat, we'd be a charcoal floating through space about 1945 1945 August, with the atomic bomb. Number two, we'll get to that in a moment. Number two, they will say that we don't know what these are.

Maybe they're from China. Maybe they're, and even senior members of the Senate Intelligence Community have said that. They're like, we don't know. Because some of those guys have gone up there and whispered in their ear all this disinformation and spin. I know who they are. When in reality we know what they are, where they come from, which ones are man-made and which ones are extraterrestrial, but I absolutely absolutely have that data. But see, someone like myself saying

that that's going to get cut out of any show. For example, I was on a show, it had 22 million people listening live back some years ago. And I started talking about some of the senior members ship of this committee that's running this covert program. And I got to one name, I talked about Admiral Bobby Ray Enmond, he's's been involved for decades. And then he went to the Board of Science Applications International Corporation, SAIC. He's one of the crown jewels contracting on these exotic, propulsion and energy systems. And then, I think it was during the election, the second election for W. I mentioned that one of the most senior people is Dick Cheney. for W. I mentioned that one of the most senior people is Dick Cheney.

And we went to an unscheduled commercial break, a voice broke in. And the host had no idea. And it said, Dr. Greer, change the direction of this conversation now. Or we will dump this show live. I said, with 22 million people listening, he says, yes. Don't talk about this. And the host was so saying, the host of this day, we'll say, yes. Don't talk about this. And the host was so saying, the host of this day, we'll say, oh, we can talk about anything. It's like when Joe Rogan says, oh, yes, I can tell you free speech to make his deal was Spotify, the

show I did with Joe Rogan, forcibly, by the corporate entity, had to be taken out. It is not in the lineup. You have to find it elsewhere. So anyone who thinks that the media doesn't purge whistleblowers of someone of what we're doing is naive. So mocking bird, there have been a lot of code names for this. But we have a Air Force intelligence, AF OSI guy, that I haven't taped. And it's in the unacknowledged documentary. People should We have a Air Force Intelligence AF OSI guy that I have on tape. And it's in the unacknowledged documentary people should look at. It's for free.

You can see it for free on all these sites. And he was at Kirkland Air Force Base and he admitted, I'm quoting, taking bags of cash to people both in the local and national media, reporters, to secure their cooperation with killing stories or altering or putting a spin on them. So that corruption and rot reaches very firmly into the fourth estate and now big tech. And you know, it's been proven now through files release that people are shadow banned. Alvar rhythms are changed. We had a whistleblower that we put his interview.

He was willing to do it, posthumously. So I did the interview with him. He died. His wife sent me his death certificate. And then I uploaded it on our YouTube channel, which I have. You can go to it. And his name was Pollock, P-A-W-E-A-L-E-C. And he had been involved in the development of the embeddable radio frequency chips.

Really? And he knew of their use in simulating alien abductions that were being done by the CIA and military. We'll get into this in a moment. How deep the deception goes. So we put this up in a few days and he hits 675,000 views. And then overnight we check and the counter is down to 6,700.

They went in and chopped off those numbers so it would take it out of the algorithms as a trending video. I've seen it happen. Yeah. And so people who think that doesn't happen, I just want to say, you know, I got a bridge to sell you to nowhere, or swamp land to sell you, because they're just simply naive. And this is another reason why we have to find creative strategies to do this, because the corporate, if you look at the major media,

there's a handful of individuals and corporations that control all of them, all of it. And that becomes a problem when there's this collusion between these covert operations and corporate. Now, to give a little history lesson, late 1800s, early 20th century, something developed called fascism. Of course, now anyone that you disagree with, you call them a fascist. But the definition of fascism were large financial and corporate interests, controlling government

policy, and what the government would do against the interests of the people. That's what fascism is. Go look it up. Thomas Jefferson warned of it. He actually wrote a warned of the unchecked power of the corporations corrupting government. That's where we are, but on a massive scale globally. So that's happened with the media. It's happened with the government programs, and it's happened in other sectors, financial, what have you. So the interest of we, the people, have gotten run over by the interest of a relatively

handful of extraordinarily powerful corporate and individuals. How many people do you think are involved at that level? There are two or three hundred people on this committee. One branch of it is called Magic, the majority intelligence committee, MAJI, but committee is a magic. I have a document that lists it. So this is in my book, unacknowledged. That document's in there. It's a secret document that I acquired and published. They can't punish me because I declared the project to illegal. Library will say, how have they not pursued you? I said, they can't.

Because this, I had an FBI guy say, I said, let's put the handcuffs on right now and get on the dance floor. Because this is going to go to the, even if it goes in camera, it's going to go to a court. And I will be able to prove, prove. Because what are we going to do? We're going to subpoena the CI director that I brief. We're going to subpoena the senators I have briefed.

We're going to subpoena the head of the defense until all these people will have to tell the truth or lie under oath that in fact they were left out. And so I said, I don't think you want a court case like that. Now, you know, people say, man, this guy's the son of a bitch. Well, I'm sort of a fighter, and I'm not intimidated. But, you know, so they all for me, two billion dollars. I go, you know, fuck off. Oh, sorry, my language, but, you know, get lost. And then, you know, they threatened.

And in the 90s, we had three people, my team killed, and I was almost killed. And then I put security in place, it's invisible. But basically, there are very powerful people who want us to get this done, because they know what's at stake. And we've authorized lethal force, if anyone that I'm working with is harm and

that's in place. That's been in place since 1998. Since 1998. Yeah and that's why no one I'm working with has had that happen. Since. Yep, since 98 nobody. Oh good, 25 years. Well that's good. Let's talk about your new documentary and what's coming up in that. Yep. Well, if you go to theWallCentryFilm.com, you'll see it's Crowdfunded. So give you an idea.

All these documentaries we've done, we won't let a corporation or a studio fund it. We've crowdfunded from the people. Can you explain why you have that that way? It's so that it can't be corrupted. I know it. We control 100% of the content. Nothing can be taken out. Good for you.

I have final control over what's in and what's out. And it can't be watered down by some corporate shell or some media executive who's actually just been brought by the government for some corporate entity working on behalf of this secret government. So I'm very careful about it. And that's why we did it because I tried doing things with other people with their productions and they would take it, spend it, and you'd elate it. And I went, no, we need to do this ourselves with integrity.

So it's crowdfunded. And like this last, this film, the law century film.com, we've had one donor for 150,000 and a bunch of people who donated $3.00. It doesn't matter. But now we're at $421,000 out of a $500,000 budget. So we're 84% if our minds calculate incorrectly, we're on a calculator. You have to do this so that emergency doctor and even. And so we're getting there,

but we need people's help. It'd be great if we went over that amount, because then we can do more what's called marketing and promotion of it. And it's going to pull the curtain back, specifically on the lost 100 years of these technologies. And it's going to go all the way back more than 100 years to the stubble filled earth battery andolay Tesla standing there with his old farmer where he's running his whole farm on this device where he has steaks in the ground that are tapping into this electromagnetic

and mostly magnetic flux field. And running generators running his farm. This is 1902. This is a 1902. 1902. And Nikol 1902. 1902. And Nicolas Tesla standing there. I got the picture. This document is gonna blow.

It goes from that all the way to the Lockheed Skunk Works devices that started being built in the 50s. We have witnesses and transcripts of the Northern Air Force Base show, California. Norton's closed now. But they had an air show in 1988 where there were three of these man-made UFOs, ARVs, A-Ling reproduction vehicles, hovering in this hangar. And those, we have those fully illustrated, we have enough detail.

We actually have the schematics of the interior. You have the schematics of the interior. You have the schematics of the interior. And the exterior, how they look. And these were built interestingly. The witness who was there was an aerospace designer. This episode is brought to you by Soul the Genero. As Soul the Genero, touch isn't just for screens. Physical connection is so essential to how we communicate, it's infused in everything

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And they had markings and chargers on them where they'd been out in space around our solar system. They were specifically told these had gone through the solar system. Now those were from the late 50s, early 60s. No jet fuel, no rockets. Are these gonna be in the dock? Yep, everything.

So this is gonna be shocking. This is gonna be a shocking thing. Oh yeah. So it's about an hour and 48 minutes right now. We're just finishing it. We just had a great guy who's a supporter that lent biscuit lead guy of Fred Durst. He's agreed to narrate it.

So he's narrating it? Yeah. That's awesome. I just got out of a studio with him a couple of days ago where we're laying down the track for the narration. But he's a great guy, very smart, super supportive of what we're doing. Good, good. Yeah. So what else is going to be in there? Well, we're going to actually have a lot of the devices going through the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s

devices going through the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. That weren't the flying devices, but I'll give you an example. There was an inventor named Floyd Sweet, and he had a solid state device look like a little bigger than a cigarette pack, that you could attach to an electric motor, say, for a car. It wasn't plugged in. Once it got going, it was a zero point, quantum vacuum flux, and it would run a 300 horsepower motor. So imagine having a 300 horsepower

motor in your Tesla or your truck, and this little sitting there, no batteries. You don't have 900 pounds of lithium ion batteries, and the lithium ion batteries really are destroying the environment. And you never have to plug it in. About the time he was meeting with some people at GM who thought they were interested, but they were actually just trying to find out what he had. After that meeting, he died suddenly, suspiciously. How people claiming, well, he dropped out of a heart attack.

And that was plausible because he was an elderly guy. But before that, he had had an assassination attempt. He was going up some steps and a sniper was trying to shoot it, but he didn't know it, but he tripped just at the bullet, went right past his head. And we have the testimony of a lieutenant colonel who was involved in this case, who was a physicist also. This is gonna be shocking to people. Oh yeah.

The utterly shocking. You know, these mysterious deaths, some people are like, oh, you know, that no way. Well, it does, we talked about the Epstein stuff. Let's talk, you know, the guy that invented the hydric car Gone, okay. Yeah, I mean there have been so many I've worked with people and then there's there was who've done that If you could refresh my memory, but didn't wasn't there somebody else that disappeared and they just happened to be involved in one of the mass shootings Yeah, there have been a number of folks where things get set up like that around them. There was a guy doing up this recent shooting up in New York where there was a man who had

recreated this water fuel cell where your car could run off water. And just bizarre stuff. So one of the problems with all these inventors. I mean, it's not a consequence. It's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence. No, no, these are hits. But the problem is, is that if you're a brilliant electromagnetic engineer, but you don't

know the barrier about the poke with that technology and what they'll do to keep it suppressed, your destined to fail. So one of the reasons we're doing this documentary is to provide the context so that people who do have these devices come to us and we have a strategy that we briefly outline in this documentary of how to fix this problem. Well, how do you fix it? The big mistake people make, they try to patent it. And we're going to, we have actually a national security order denial on a patent of one of

these devices from an inventor I know. So we're going to prove this is not a conspiracy theory. Here it is from the patent office. So they ain't going to allow it. It gets confiscated. We have a patent examiner who's a PhD physicist testify that they confiscate these things. That's in the movie. And then we say, okay, how are you going to get it out then? You have, if you try to keep how it operates, secret, then you're very vulnerable. So one of the things I did for the disclosure project from my own security is to decentralize everything I have.

It's called detargeting. So why have a big bullseye on your ass? When if you were to disperse all your information and intelligence, which I have done, it would still be out there. Moreover, you created Deadman Trigger. So, since the 90s, I've had a Deadman Trigger of stuff I'm holding back, if something happens to me, that hits the internet and every celebrity that supports what we're doing,

that can reach a billion people, they get it, and they put it out on Instagram, and boom. And this is stuff they do not want out. It's names, it's stuff that I have not released and where and who. But people say, why don't you release it? I said, well, you know, this is one of my insurance policies. But what these inventors don't get is that they don't do that. They have no psychops, so they have no security protocols.

They just think, I have a better mouse trap. The world's going to beat a path to my door. When in reality murder incorporated beats a path to their door. Okay, or it just gets confiscated. Most of the time, it's not even that. They're so crazy. They think we're going to keep this secret. Nobody will know how it works. And I'm going gonna just sort of be able to get it out there with no one proving it. And I said, no, no. If you're making an outrageous claim that you're pulling energy out of the space around us,

it's gotta be released for scientific review, it's gotta be reproduced, but multiple labs and people who are skilled in art, you gotta open source it. Open source means it's just out there. At the first level, now maybe at the second level, you could patent because then the whole world knows. So what we're proposing is that at a level one phase of these new technologies coming out, we're going to leave the things that fly alone because those could be missile delivery systems. But the things that would run your house or car, whatever, a boat, a truck, those need to come out like 100 years ago.

So the way to do it and this we outline is that we would disclose it publicly on blockchain protected systems massively, multiple celebrities. And the first 20 of these devices we would reproduce would be running Demi Lovato's home or Leo DiCaprio's house or they'd roll the food fighters or whoever, all these people interested in the subject. Why? Because the media could suppress this, but you can't suppress dozens of celebrities with a billion followers. Yeah. got it.

I mean, you know, it's sort of like, it's a very well thought through strategy that's unconventional. Because my view is you put a boulder in front of where we're trying to flow, but you just the water, if you're water, you just flow around it. No, I mean, it makes perfect sense.

Even if they do try to suppress it once, you know, because they could take the pose, the container, the video, it's already been out there. So many people have already seen it. They would have to delete the accounts before it gets out. Well, they'd have to tear down the whole internet. If you have, so our plan would be to have a multi-nation, multi-site blockchain protected release of the schematics, how it works, everything about it. So anyone could reproduce it if you know how to do that. I mean, I couldn't even make a toaster oven.

How many people do you think are out there that know how to produce this kind of technology? Oh, hundreds, hundreds, maybe more. Over the years, there have been thousands of these devices that have come and gone. Most of them, people just take it to their grave because they don't understand the strategy of what they need to do. So they'll make a deal with someone financially

and that someone is is fronting for another interest that suppresses it. Visited out. It's called black shelving. It happens all the time in the corporate world. You want some that's a competition. You create a corporate entity, you fund it, get controlling interest in it. And then you just put it on black shelf. I know a

multiple devices that would literally save humanity and the planet that that's happened to. So you can't do it that way because the legal and financial traps are real. The national security applications that have been abused under the patent law are real. The law's century, this film is going to prove all this. To the extent that the public, you know, it's an hour and 48 minutes, but it's all there. So I think that what we're asking people, there's another ask if you know of someone,

or you have one of these systems, get it to us. We have a strategy in the context to get it out. Now the second level, people say, well, I've did all this work. I just want to make money on it. I said, that is the second phase. So once it's disclosed publicly, it's a little bit like DARPA creating the internet. So everyone uses the internet, and there's no one who owns the internet. But now that whole platform has created dozens

of billion and trillion dollar companies, right? That's what needs to happen here. It doesens of billion and trillion dollar companies, right? That's what needs to happen here. Because I think we have it if we're lucky 20 years to make this transition. Why do you say that? Because the rate of decay of the biosphere, but also the geopolitical problems we're facing, when you have this growing number of the world's population in utter despair and poverty. And that's all based on the fact of the zero-sum game of our energy and financial system.

There's no changing that. I mean, if all eight billion people on the planet live like you and I do, with air conditioning or trucks, the price of a gallon, a few would be $100 a gallon. So the system we have now requires the geopolitical and military instability. It's a natural outgrowth though. This is why when I had this conversation with Senator Barry Goldwater, who was the senior Senator from Arizona who ran for president in 1964 and lost. John McCain took his seat. And I was at his home in Paradise Valley, I was just there this week,

but this was back in the 90s. And he said, you know, it was a goddamn mistake then and a goddamn mistake. Now this was ever kept secret. And cause he and I had this long afternoon discussing this and what the implications of the secrecy have been, but also what are the wonderful implications of fixing this? Because it's nothing less than starting a whole new chapter in human civilization, where

in 20 years there will be no poverty on the planet, no pollution, unbelievable abundance. Because if you bring to zero the cause of energy, of transportation, manufacturing, you're creating a global economy that's decentralized where every village home, whatever, is self-sufficient. This is sort of a libertarian's dream, right? But it's also an environmentalist dream. So I tell people, this cross is all the political left-right stuff if you understand what's at stake here. So in this one movement, you saw some of the environmental existential problems we're facing. You're going to solve a lot of these geopolitical problems with oil and oil supply, mid-East, Russia, gas, but you're also going to, in a real sense, liberate the world from the current system so it can flourish without it being the handful of centralized choke points

for energy. That's the plan. Now, to do it, you need to have something that works. And I always tell people, a lot of people say, well, here's a black box and take my word for it. I go, no, no, I don't take the word, I don't have something that's important. It's got to be, we have to have the plans for it. We have to reproduce it.

And we have to be able to have other people, third party, and reproduce it. And it should work as advertised. Most of these inventors don't want to do that because they don't have anything about science. The centaquanone of science is independent verification and proof. And that's the other problem. A lot of these people have these inventions, but they keep the sauce secret. But no one's gonna believe it.

Why should they? I wouldn't. Now because I've gone into the labs and had it tested, I know they exist, but they don't want to turn over the secret to the public. Because they're paranoid about having their, it's like gollum. We use this in the movie.

And then my precious ring, remember the movie? And it's like they're trying to protect that, but they don't understand if they could get it out to the whole world as an open source unless they prove a principal system. The next phase, they could then create specific products that could be patented. Why? Because now the public would demand it. The scientific community would have it, and the public would say, I want that. I want that thing running my F-150 truck. So I'm not spending $100 to fill it up if you're a carpenter, like my dad.

So that is something that becomes a really powerful solution. We're spending trillions of dollars, frankly, fake environmental solutions. You know, I know you're right, because we actually covered a did an episode on environmental solutions, which could help with fires,

could help with world hunger, it could help with, it could help with a lot of things. And it got zero attention. And these guys have been walked into Congress, and walked into the Senate. Nobody gave them the time of day. And they need to contact,

if someone has something like this, and the reason they need to contact us, is that I've worked with and vener since 91, who have had some iteration version of these. And there's a certain number of known fatal mistakes they make that I'm outlining. So what I've tried to do, create a strategy that accounts for those mistakes.

And it's kind of unconventional because most people, when they get something like this, oh my god, I have to keep it secret, I've got most people, and they get something like this, oh my god, I have to keep a secret, I've got a patent, and I've got to do this. No, no, no, you take it quickly because the most dangerous point is when you have something that works, but you don't have millions of people know about it yet. That's the window where it can be confiscated, where your lab can be fire bombed, where it can be stolen, where you can be imprisoned, where killed, or whatever. So that is just plain, not smart.

Now to most people don't know that that, you know, 800 pound gorillas out there, rate a squash, you're like a wormy apple. They go, oh, I'm great. I'm fine as frogs here. And until they get hit with these things. How many of these devices have you seen personally? Maybe a dozen or so over the years that have been legitimate. Can you describe what a couple of them look like?

Well, one of them will be in this documentary. And it was out in the desert of Arizona. I was there in September of 2022. And this old guy had out and out there. It looked like a shoebox and it was sitting there running. It'd been there for two years, putting out three kilowatts of power. Really? The average home on average uses about one and a half kilowatts.

What's inside of it? He had some fake circuits so that nobody could steal his little secret ring like golem or the rings. And there were some specialized magnesium alloy plates. And it was basically resonating with the magnetic field, similar what Tesla did with the Wardencliffe, his big Wardencliffe system, but a much higher tech version. What was the Wardencliffe? That was what Nikcliffe system, but a much higher tech version. What was the Wardencliffe? That was what Nikola Tesla had up,

out on Long Island, that was this such, wireless transmission of power, and it was pulling power from the magnetic field of the earth and converting it to electricity. Okay. And that all got, eventually got blown up. But Tesla had amazing breakthroughs. One of the things we're gonna show in this documentary, people think it's an urban myth that the FBI rated his apartment when he died

and confiscated all his secret papers. I have the Department of Defense letter to the FBI demanding that the FBI turned those over to them. That's going to be in the document. This is all going to be in the documentary. Yep, back to the box. Does it make any sound? How does it hook up to... The only thing you hear are the things that's running. You know, there's running air conditioners and lights and this and that. We tend to... No wires going into it with any power.

The start-up battery with a little teeny three volt that you could take out once it was running. And how does it connect to what? Two air conditioners, two wind conventional wires. It had 110 and 220. And then so it could run anything. You run your house, you run your car. How did this guy have it hooked up?

Was it under the, did he have it wired into the fuse box? No, he had a, can no, because cause he didn't wanna have that on the grid. When he did it on the grid, the power company saw that there was something going on, thought there was a solar panel tied into the grid that wasn't legal cause you have to get a permit. And so he had it off, he had his own, his own workshop and other part

out on his property, just running independently off of it. Okay. So all the wires, air conditioning, refrigerator, everything. Makes sense. Yeah. And so, you know, but his strategy is to keep it secret. And if someone, he said, well, if someone got this and tried to figure out what was going, I have a circuit in there so it destroys itself.

This is sort of paranoid and vener stuff, right? Which I get, you know, he spent a lot of time and money and his life's work. But I say, dude, this is how you take this to the grave. You know, he's elderly. So what I have seen over and over again, is very frustrating is dozens of these accounts where they got it to a certain point.

No one knew exactly how they were doing it. They kept all that secret. Next thing you know, someone's bought it off, they've died, or whatever, and it's lost forever. So we have to break this cycle. It's a crazy cycle. You've seen a couple, around a dozen, I believe you just said. Are they all very similar? Oh no, they're very different ways. They're like probably 18 ways

to skin this cat. Really? Yeah. Are they all small, compressed, size of the shoebox? I know. There are some that are big rotary systems that are really. Yeah. So you'll see in the documentary, I think we feature maybe a dozen of them historically that have existed with photos and videos and test results. It'll be interesting documentary for people who kind of, we want to pull the curtain back on those systems all the way up to the reverse engineering and the things that fly that Lockheed Sk comp works in North Republic, and these are the rates you all have. This is going to be, I cannot wait to say this documentary.

It's coming out in June. June 6th. June 6th. Then you have June 12th. Yes, so six days later, we're going to have a national press club event again, disclosure 2.0 in Washington DC. I would love to be there for that. Yeah, well, you're invited.

And we need many media people and podcasts people there. The weekend before, that's a Monday, that weekend before, on the 10th and 11th. We're going to have a conference open to the public. Or we be unpacking the intelligence archive, everything we've collected. Right now it's about five or six terabytes. Okay. It's like crazy. Tens of thousands of government documents, photos, videos, drawings and testimony of, I think we have 109 cases of crash retrievals, where...

109 cases? Yeah. And you will see it when you see the drawings and what the military guys described and the retrieval of these, that's all going to be there. Now are these all, all these people that are bringing this information to you, and I think there's going to be a lot more because the whistleblowers, for your call out, are, where are all these people coming from? Are they all from the US?

Are they coming from all over the world? Some have been really Canadian, Australian, UK. We have some, we have a big Russian file from the KGB era that was given to me. That's in the archive. Very interesting cases, landing cases. Marina Popovit, who is Pavel Popovits, is why they were both cosmonauts, had encounters in that case where one landed, an extraterrestrial vehicle landed, and we have all that information. I flew her over in 1995 for this project Starlight Gathering, the very first gathering of these whistleblowers and witnesses.

And then in 97, we did it again as for members of Congress offsite in Georgetown, then, you know, chairman ofittees were there. At that stage none of them had coalesced into a movement to get where we are now. And then in 2001, we did the National Press Club event. So this has been an evolving process. That's, when people say, when do you think this will be done by, I said, 1993?

No. This will be done by I said 1993. So 30 years ago in my optimism in Nyevote, I thought, well, if I put the best evidence together, that's what we called it for the president at time was Clint and C.I. director, all these guys, the best available evidence, B.A.E. you'll see that marking some of my notes that are in this archive. We're also going to release all those documents. Last night at dinner, we discussed some of this and you would mention that you have video

of an extraterrestrial being dissected photo, photo, excuse me, that is very strange from 1920s. The proven answer that is very interesting. A woman contacted me and her grandmother had worked at Los Alamos, I mean, at the Trinity site on the Manhattan Project. But then they got moved to Roswell. And her mother was there when those three craft went down. We found two of them. One wasn't found to a 1951. And by the way, that was an early electric, D.E.W. directional energy weapon that downed those. People say, oh, they crashed in a thunderstorm. I'm going, I'm quite sure if you can go through interstellar space, you can navigate an earth-based thunderstorm.

But I have a document, and this is in the unacknowledged book of a field agent writing to J.A.G.R. Hoover about this so-called Roswell event, saying that these flying saucers, they call them discs, crashed because we had switched on a new quote radar system. So for those people who don't know, radar is often a euphemism for both a system that detect objects bouncing radio waves off of aircraft, but also in some of them are active warfare systems, electromagnetic warfare systems. So they had an early

of electromagnetic system in that new radar system. And this field agent, Guy Hattel, H-O-T-T-E-L-L, wrote to Jay Verhoever as a field agent, I have that document. When I released it, the FBI had to release it, it became the most watched looked at document on the FBI site. But it flat out says that that's what happened. So, that woman, the grandmother, somehow went from the Manhattan Project to being at Roswell. Well, why? In 1947, the Roswell Army Air Base, before the Air Force was formed, was the only atomic bomb squadron in the world, the 500-day squadron, and the whole planet. So she was

there because she followed that operation from the origins of the atomic bomb, you know, out at white sands and out there to New Mexico. So when that of that happened, apparently someone who must have brought in, this is conjecture now. Some kind of archive of previous encounters with these objects that went way back. And someone in the photo lab took a picture of a picture. We proven that's what it is. And it's an extraterrestrial on a dissection with a group of doctors and what looked like some suits in the background. And we've had the top historian, medical historian in the world

look at the equipment, the suits, the gloves, and dated it from between 1922 and 29. Now, the rest of it we don't know. We don't know what event that was, where it was taking. We're trying to track down the personnel that are in there, where we're talking 100 years ago. What does the ET look like? Does it have arms? Does that lead to undersize? Yeah, arms legs. The head is covered with the towel., apparently it was badly mutilated. It had a weird, almost like a spine on the front. Like we have a sternum that you could see, like a bumpy thing.

Different hands and feet. Two arms, two legs. Two legs. They're all like that. Okay. And not tiny. I think it was around five feet. It's hard to tell from this photo.

So we have a lot of material like this. It's going to be in there. That's going to be in the doc too. Not in the documentary in this archive. So one of the things we're also trying to find is someone who can develop, and we talked about this website, so that we're refining this archive. This archive I'm handing off to the US government already, the raw data. But we want to organize it.

More right now it's just hundreds of thousands of things. I don't know if people realize how much five, six terabytes of data is enormous. But what we wanted to do is create something that's available to the public and to the media that has all of this, the only thing that won't be in there are the things I must redact people's names and their personal identifying information. They're not credibility, but I understand. Unless they've come public already with the disclosure project or in some other setting, their information will be black and down

Like you see an NSA document or something. But what they know will be in there their their information In terms of the content like I was at this I was on the Nellis range and I retrieved an extraterrestrial vehicle was down and Or an ARP went down a man made UFO went down, and I was there, and it had gotten malfunctioned and broke apart, and we were picking it up. I have those kind of things. And so that'll be in there, but without the person's name, and DD214 and all that.

Yeah, well, I can't wait to make that just connection. So that's gonna come out around the same, we hope. I can't promise this because I'm not a tech guy. In fact, if I have to turn my computer on, my wife does it for me. I'm an idiot. But, you know, I'm a digital moron, frankly, and I'll admit it. But if we can find some of the create a secure website that's searchable and well organized for this archive. We hope to have it up by June 1st. Well, I can't wait to make that connection.

It's one of the most brilliant minds that I've ever encountered. Great. I think you're going to find a lot more use for... Yeah, we need a lot of help. I mean, people, you know, because I'm known in the public, I think we have some vast business with a building with staff. It's my wife and I do this out of a corner where a living room with volunteers

and a couple people under contract to help us with things. It's a very modest undertaking and a labor love, but it's just the way it is. I'm just not, I'm not think, I'm not good at business. I'm good with ideas and science and strategy. And I'm not, I need a business mogul help us. But anyway, we've gotten this far.

But we need people who have that talent, who, who, but it's got to be someone who really can do, also the problem with it, it's not just documents. We probably have 100,000 government documents from all over the world. Amazing stuff. But we also have video of all these witnesses that have allowed themselves to be publicly known. Most people haven't seen most of it. Because at the National Press Club and what have you in these documents, you can only show like the tip of the iceberg. This will have all of it.

So a guy's interview, we may be able to use two or three minutes, but in here it'll be an hour, an hour and a half, whatever. Yeah, much deeper dive. So it's an open source network full of all of these thousands and thousands of documents, photos and videos and interviews. Right. Do you, are you, I know you have people on the inside here in the US, do you have people on the inside and different agencies throughout the world? Oh, yes, we have had, you know, M-O-D and UK and MI6 and any, any, any,

Australian. Any with China, Russia. Russia, yes. China only had an ambassador from China that I've dealt with. Japan, I've dealt with some cabinet-level folks. Interestingly, when you go to these other countries that are in the G7, let's say, the group of seven countries, you know, the big industrial powers. And I bring up, you know, since the US government's dragon is feet, why don't you guys take the lead? I'll hand it all over to you. And they just turn pale and go, oh no, we can't get ahead of the US on something this sensitive. So this is why it's such a big breakthrough that the US Congress has finally passed this bill and the president signed it, which

is a rare moment of... What's interesting about this is that there's serious bipartisan support for getting to the bottom of this problem, getting to the answers. It's not partisan at all, and it shouldn't be. I mean, it should not be partisan. You know, it has to be not partisan. And that's why I always try to couch things in. This is the tie that'll lift all ships.

This information coming out, unless you own stock and ex-on-mobile. But, so, let's move into the JFK, Marilyn Monroe assassination. Some of the fun stuff. Let's move into that. What do you know about that?

A lot. So some years ago, I got from the vault, from a National Security Agency guy, an envelope. And it had a big old Xerox of this document that was a wiretap of Marilyn Monroe dated a couple days before they found her dead. And it was signed by the CIA guy James Jesus Angleton III. Now he was a famous fanatical, leak mollhunter and leak stopper at the agency back in the early 60s. Fanatical. And they had wiretapped Marilyn Monroe's phone

and she was calling up Bobby Kennedy and a friend of hers named Rothberg in New York was an art dealer saying that she was going to hold a press conference To tell the whole world what Kennedy had told her about and I'm quoting the objects from outer face outer space from the 40s Found in New Mexico a clear reference for Roswell and a couple of other events that happened out there That was the only one by the way as well, and a couple of the other events that happened out there. That was the only one, by the way. There was a 1945 crash of an ET craft that happened right after we detonated the first atomic bomb. That has just gotten a trendy site. That has just gotten documented

by a good friend of mine, Paula Harris, who's a researcher. You know, it's a fascinating book. And there's material associated with that. But so Marilyn, because I think the Kennedy brothers had had distanced themselves because the affair she was having with Jack Kennedy was a little bit getting too well-known, she was angry. And so she was threatened to spill the beans in a public news conference with a whole world would have been there. So before she could do that, wet works killed her, made it

look like a overdose of drugs. But it wasn't. One of her friends, way back in the day, was this old cool guy. He was, I mean, burlives. He was an actor and singer back in the day. And he was friends. mean, Burlives, he was an actor and singer back in the day. And he was friends, and he was on my executive committee up until he died. Interesting guy, 33rd degree Mason and all that, but you didn't know anything about the subject. So I go into his house in Anacortis, Washington, and I have this document. I didn't bring the original to it, but the one I have.

And it's this transcript, and it's flat out. And he looks and goes, now I know why they killed her. I said, of course. And of course, Kennedy was livid that that happened. Because he had affection for her, even though we had the distance for political reasons. But he was working on an executive order at that time, that would have dissolved the agency and a lot of these operations that were dealing with this. The agency is in CIA. Yeah. So before that could go through the executive review process, he was killed. Now interestingly,

it wasn't just the UFO issue, it was a bunch of issues, dealing with this whole constellation of problems. Because remember, he took office right after Eisenhower. Eisenhower's last speech to the world, and he's a five-star general, right? Two-term Republican president, it was an Abbey Hoffman. He's the one-star general, right? A two-term Republican president. It was an Abby Hoffman. He's the one who coined the term,

but where the military industrial complex. It was an anti-military. He was anti-fascist, which is the collusion and control of government interests and the interests of the people by selfish, corporate, and moneyed people. That's what he was talking about. People have to get clarity on this.

Because otherwise he gets politicized. Now this is where Eisenhower was coming from. Now I have a witness, a guy named Stephen Lovekin, who was a attorney, but at the time he was an Army signal score guy, who was in the White House with Eisenhower. And he saw Eisenhower doodling pictures of UFOs and stuff. And he talked him and he says, yeah, he says, I've lost, they're not telling me much anymore about this. I've lost control of these projects. Very interesting read. It's in the disclosure book. It is. And it's, yeah, in that book. And so it's a worrisome situation because I've been able to piece together the presidential level of this, all the way to Roosevelt.

By the way, Fufiter, yes, it's a Brock band, but they named their band, Dave Groves in Irvana, after what a Fufiter is, which is what a UFO was called. Really? More or two. So, more or two, we had these weird, almost plasma-like objects zipping around our aircraft. The Nazis thought it was a secret allied weapon. We thought it was a secret Nazi weapon.

So there's this medical doctor. This elderly guy was on my team. He was a hematologist, pathologist, and Denver. And his uncle was General Jimmy Dool Little. And so this is how I knew this story. So General Doe Little was sent over there by Roosevelt to look into what the heck are these food fighters. And General Doe Little comes back to the White House and tells Roosevelt, sir, those are, quote, interplanetary vehicles, I'm quoting. So that's how far back this knowledge is, goes. This is fascinating stuff.

You talk a lot about the Rockefellers. Well only to the extent that Lawrence, who was the philosopher king, Lawrence Rockefeller who was the brother of David Rockefeller of Chase Manhattan, it's now JP Morgan Chase, Lawrence wanted to help with getting this problem fixed. So he hosted us at the Rockefeller Ranch in the T-tons and was helping do things behind the scenes. And then later he hosted the Clintons there under cover of a summer vacation to go through this material

that we'd put together, the best available evidence is what it was called, B-A-E. But I think Hillary, if I remember correctly, he told me, Hillary's stomach said, we don't want to hear too much more about this, too dangerous, too dangerous. But he and I got to know each other quite well. His heart was in the right place. Now he had people around him we found out who were actually a deep cover intelligence operatives. I don't want to name who they are, but one of them, I was at their townhouse in Upper Eastside.

This guy had been ambassador to France for Reagan on the board of Morgan Stanley. And he was with Yale. He told me he and William Buckley, the conservative journalist, were both recruited when they were at Yale, into the CIA to be embedded in the corporate and political world. And so he and his wife sort of were a duo that ended up then misdirecting Rockefeller in the wrong directions to stop that initiative. So people have to understand how really good counterintelligence operates and how you have operatives who can go in and turn things sideways.

Now that's 93, 94, 95s, I'll be talking ancient history here. The big problem is people make these sweeping conspiracy theories. Most of the younger Rockefellers are actually very supportive of this coming out. Lawrence was, but now J Rockefeller, who had been the chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee and David Lawrence's brother, were both members of this committee. And I went out on the deck late at night with Lawrence Rockefeller.

And one night, when we had this gathering at the ranch, and this was before Clinton went there. And he turned to me and he said, you know, my family, referring to these other folks, are jumping up and down on my nuts, quote unquote, because I'm even talking to you and doing this. I said, yeah, I'm sure, because they have a very best interest

in maintaining the secrecy. So there you have some people who were read in. The Lawrence was the philosopher, King, philanthropist. He wasn't banking. He wasn't Senate Intelligence Chairman, like J. Rockefeller had been. So you see there are people who have been in the system who know, but they will turn to their colleagues and light of them. So, here's another pattern you have to get. Everybody have these sweeping, oh, the builder burgers and the trilateral. I said, look, most of those folks couldn't find their rear end in a well-lighted room on

this issue. But there are people involved who do know. Because they're part of this elite club, let, say the Senate, or what have you, or the National Security Council, they'll go, oh, we've looked into this, there's nothing to it. It's a hot air balloon. It's a, it's a, whatever.

I had a guy from the Bohemian Grove come to me after we did the disclosure project. And he said, oh, yeah, there was someone there because this had hit the media so hard. And he says, well, I was involved in committees dealing with this issue in the US government. It all ended up being swamp gas or misperceptions of Venus rising or a weather balloon that crashed

in New Mexico. And of course, since he was one of them, there's inherent trust. So they have people who go, there's a place near Colpepper, Virginia, called the farm, and people are there to be trained, to be professional disinformation, basically how to lie well, and to embed yourself in lie. I know where it is. Anyone listening has been there, you know what I'm talking about. So,

So unfortunately, they're very, very good at embedding people in key places who then give false information to their brethren and their sisters in that organization who have, because of who they are, they have instant credibility. So they're going to say, why are you going to listen to this old doctor? This is what it is, and we know. So they're gonna say why are you gonna listen to this old doctor? I was I this is what it is. We know So I've seen this for 30 years. It's it's it's a dog and pony show Yeah, very very very clever And that's what happened to Lawrence Lawrence got zoomed he got basically diverted by these people he trusted had been in his circle for years

And he ended up getting diverted. Damn. Let's, we're running short on time here, so I want to cover a couple of things, but I would like to cover quantum of thought, even though it's very unrelated to what we're talking about. I'm ditched. It's a fascinating topic, and I want to dive into that. Well, this is another whole show and it's cool. So I always tell people, sort of the entry-level technological discussion on this is energy generation propulsion, electric robotics. The real amazing information has to do with what quantum physicists call entangled universe.

And actually, Einstein called it the spooky effect where the same particle could be in two places at once because of what's called non-locality. Where basically, we think in terms of a straight line, point A to B in the universe or in space here. In reality, there's an aspect of the cosmos that is entangled where every point in space and time is intimately connected to every other, but not at the speed of light or what have you, but

instantly. It's called entanglement. Now, the ultimate entangled field or non-local field is consciousness. The father of modern quantum mechanics, Erman Schrodinger, Particle Wave Theory, in 1908, said, the total number of minds in the universe is one. It's a singularity. So people talk about the singularity.

This is the singularity. And it has to do with the consciousness field. So what extraterrestrial civilizations have for their communication systems? They're not going to pick up this thing, right? At the speed of light and go and communicate from, let's say you're from the Androma to galaxies, 2.5 million light years from here. It's too slow. This goes at the speed of light. So at the speed of light, it takes 2.5 million years for the signal to get of light, it takes 2 1,5 million years for the signal to get there,

and another 10, 2 1,5 million years for the person to answer and say, yeah, I'm doing fine. How are you? It's 5 million years. So we know, and I knew this when I was 18 because I had a contact experience, that these civilizations have both innate, remote viewing capabilities, but they have technologies

that interface with that quantum field at the level of a quanta of thought. So not just random thought, but like directional, like if you're looking at the device and you think to it, it transmits to another node, another point. So, now we've known this for decades in the CIA and other agencies, because when they started studying the devices, not just the propulsion systems and the energy, but how are these guys communicating? They found these devices. And to me, this is some of the most interesting research that no one ever talks about. But if you look at Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which is our documentary about contacting

and using this technique, the foundation of it is this. It's the science of consciousness and the science of the quanta of thought interfacing not only with each other, but dropping out of a linear space time. And so we call this trans-dimensional physics, physics across dimensions. And one of the dimensions is the so-called thought realm. And it's fascinating. And so now take that knowledge that maybe some mystics

in India and the Vedas and meditation, I will admit that before I was a medical doctor, I was a meditation teacher and studied all this. So I kind of, after I had the contact experience, I went, what the heck? How did this happen? So I became a student of the ancient Vedas in Sanskrit and the meditation before I went into medical school. But interesting career track, but unconventional. But what I learned was that this is how these civilizations are able to communicate in

real time across a million light years of space. If you heard of string theory? Yes. Now, from what I've heard, the Chinese are claiming that they can communicate with their satellites through string theory. Do you think it could be? I mean, I know that our intelligence community at the upper end of it, deep black,

have systems that are interfacing with this technology. We have those two. How got you a way back? That got perfected between 1956 and 1965. Can you describe strength theory? Well, I'll let a physicist describe strength theory. And some people don't think it's quite accurate. I think a more accurate view of it is what I'm calling non-locality.

In other words, what's called entanglement, the interconnectivity. And this is why Ben Rich, who is the head of the Lockheed's concourse, said, and I have three people who were there when he said it, at in, I believe, 1995. Here's at the end of his career. And he had taken Kelly Johnson's place who it was founded the Skunk Works, the Lockheed Skunk Works, the U2 spy plane, all that.

And he said, someone asked, how would these extraterrestrial civilizations communicate? And he said, every point in space and time is connected to every other point in space and time, in real time, instantly. And that's how they're doing it, and it's through consciousness, through mind. And of course, everybody there was like, these are nuclear engineers and whatnot, and they're going, you know, WTF. But, you know, that's true. So one of the things, I get ridiculed the most for the work I'm doing with contact and consciousness. What people don't realize, that is the deepest secret that they have on this. Because if people understand that,

they can bypass any intelligence system and remove view and see, or they can contact these civilizations. They have to be trained. But I train people with the, we have an app. It's called CE5 Contact app. And the CE5 Contact app, you know, is millions of people using it now. And it's a whole training program on remote viewing, meditation, making, how to do this.

But the foundation of it is what you're asking about. That's the technological interface. I don't have, we have classified projects that have some of this, but these other civilizations have. I remember talking to a McConnell Douglas, who came part of Boeing, one of their chief aerospace engineers, so my team. Dr. Woods, very elderly now, but he was assigned by Oman McDonald, Donald Douglas, to look into this issue in the 60s.

And he found cases where there were people who had had contact with these extraterrestrial vehicles and the personnel, the beans, the called evens, extraterrestrial biological entities. So the even was there, and it had this little kind of black rectangular box, and it was used so they didn't have to speak verbally like we are. It was kind of telepathic but augmented with this technology, and it went back and forth that way. Now, the human was just receiving it, but very clear.

And then this e-bun was receiving it, probably innately, but assisted. So I call this consciousness assisted technology, C-A-T. And then the reverse technology assisted consciousness where the technology can help project your remote viewing capability. It goes both ways. Really? So let's say the guidance system on these interstellar vehicles, they can stand at a console and touch it or think to it and then navigate it.

That's how it's done. Wow. We know how that's done. That is fascinating. Yeah. This is the really good to me. You know, this other stuff is like the introductory, but this stuff that really excites me is this. You know, of course, and Elon Musk has neural link

where he's trying to create an interface between the mind and machine, but he's doing it with wires and things in the brain and what have you. No, we're not talking about that because that's at the speed of light. I'm talking about the speed of thought. And that you're now in another universe.

Now you've gone through the looking glass with this. This question you asked is, to me, is the really amazing science. I'm fascinated. You know what they call this at the CIA? This kind of stuff. And at my uncle's old company, they call it WSFM. You buy it out there

listening. You heard this weird science and fricking magic. I'm using the F word. And at my uncle's company, they call it PFM, just pure FM magic. But it's real science. But it's really amazing stuff. How much do you know about the Monroe Institute and there are studies with the CIA? Lots. And we can't tell. And how long have they been, I didn't realize our main intelligence was using it. Oh, yeah.

A general stubble pint took us people through there. How long has CIA been utilizing remote feeling and working with the Monroe and I believe well when Monroe Institute was later I think they started those projects in the 60s and 70s. Monroe Institute was not that interval. They had a technique, hemi-sync, that they found something was useful for some people. And so a lot of people went through there. It's 20 minutes from my country house out near Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Really? It's where they're located. So they did a lot of work with that. But it was sort of as ancillary, not as a principal operation. Yeah. Now, Ingos Juan, who is one of the most famous remote viewers, was a friend of mine, and before he passed away. And he regretted what he had done with that.

He wished he had done what I'm doing, which was something positive, instead of doing what he was doing with the agency. But he was the most accurate. He was incredibly accurate. Very interesting guy. I went up to his place in the East Village in New York, and he was his very flamboyant gay guy with an artist, and he was like this brilliant, it was all over the place. But we had just a great time, and you know, he shared with me a lot of experiences he had with CIA operations, removing very accurate targeting of things in the Soviet Union and elsewhere out in space.

He imaged objects out near Saturn that nobody knew were there, that they proved later were there. Really amazing. Is this documented? Some of this stuff? He has a couple books out that may have mentioned some of it. A lot of times these folks will share things with me personally. I don't know if it's in the book.

I'd have to look it up and see. He had one book called Penetration that you can get that deals with a lot of that. Okay. Yeah, it means, goes one. But would you consider what you're doing with CE5 remote-bealing? Oh, sure. It's a more advanced version for the purpose. So CE5 contact in the app, you'll see the purpose of it, is for humans to be able to lay us on with these civilizations and bypass the government who made a mess of this. So one of the things that we came to realize is that the management of this, and it's

understandable how it tracked into military and intelligence operations, because it's technological and we want to know how these things work. But the complete management of it that way calls through to be a huge mistake in the relationship between humans and these other civilizations. And here I want to put a button on this. When we detonate the first atomic bomb and the subsequent ones, when those go off, everybody knows what an electromagnetic pulse is. What they don't know is that there is an attending so-called scalar or longitudinal wave that

is faster in the speed of light that disrupts the fabric and communication and propulsion guidance systems of extraterrestrial vehicles. This is why they came in a huge force in the 40s and 50s. And this is why every single atomic and nuclear weapon storage facility processing plant and base and ship has been surveilled by these ET vehicles. Because when those things are used, it's like tearing the fabric of space time now there are a few fit jockville a knows this or a few physicists who know this and so what this this YouTube is by plain pilot that I have brought to DC

This is his big concern at the military has completely misunderstood This was his big concern. The military has completely misunderstood what the concern from these civilizations are and They've looked at it purely as a threat when in reality where the threat? So I have an interview with Gordon Criton who was a MI6 guy British and he's dead now He says yes, when we did that we we kicked a hornet's nest because we actually disrupted their entire system. And remember, entanglement, we think straight line speed of light, well, EMP, electromagnetic pulses are going to reach alpha centauri or some star system. But these so-called longitude and or scalar waves that are, it's a point that goes out in a straight line without the wave function. Those are multiples of speed of light and they're highly disruptive. And so this is something that the senators and the president don't know. So there's a whole

scientific brief that has to be done on how do we get to this place? And because it's been mismanaged, this creates an existential threat for the whole planet that we have people who don't understand it, who should, and the people who do understand it, are weaponizing the systems. And by the way, that's how we have downed dozens and dozens of extraterrestrial vehicles. We're using these advanced energy weapons, but not the ones at the speed of light, the ones that are longitudinal or scalar. And those are ground-based,

sea-based, space-based. We have NRO satellites with these things on them. And we can detect an extraterrestrial vehicle when it's dropping down out of trans-dimensional. So in other words, when it's not 3D, but it's moved in through these other dimensions, and it's about to quote unquote materialize. There's a neutrino light scatter that happens. And the sats we have up there, the eyes in the sky, the really advanced ones,

have neutrino-like detectors on them that pick that up. That's triangulated and then we hit them. We're try to. Dangerous. I mean, it is a very dangerous game going on. The president doesn't know this. I know it. I have people who have run the systems on my team. Wow. And we're talking, this foolishness is literally a threat to the entire planet, which is why. And I want to just remind people of this. This is in the unacknowledged book. And it's a letter from the first CIA director to the New York Times in 1961 after Eisenhower left office. And his name was Admiral Roscoe Helen Keeter, H-I-L-L-E-N-K-O-E-T-E-R.

And he said, part of the letter said, the issue is ridiculed when in high places it's taken very seriously, but he said, this is the key point. The secrecy surrounding UFOs is, on quoting, a threat to the national security. He had seen how badly this has gone. Now, this is 61. This is now 62 years ago. So, this is why again, I make this appeal to patriotic appeal to everyone listening who've been involved in this in any small way, it doesn't matter. But if you were directly at knowledge of a facility, an operation, manmade device, an

extraterrestrial device, reconnaissance radar, whatever it is, please contact me at seriousdisclosure.com, info at SIRIUSdisclosure.com. Because we have to get this fixed because in this deep dark secrecy, there are, I mean, I say an existential threat to life on earth, that's what's happening by this being mismanaged so badly. So there's a lot of stake. There is. Yep.

Well, Doc, I know you got to get going here, you got a lot of the pleasures you got to be and I just want to say I really, really appreciate you taking the time to come here. Thank you. And for this interview, and I am really hoping that I see you again. We will, so. Absolutely, let's do it.

Perfect. Hope to see you at the National Press Club event. I will be there. And the conference before, I will be there. Yeah, thank you. But cheers. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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