Shawn Ryan Show - #58 Buck Sexton - Twitter Files, Dr. Fauci, Epstein, ChatGPT, Education System, and Title 42

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

Buck Sexton is a former CIA analyst and currently an American radio host, author, and conservative co-host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This episode covers a lot ground. We get into Buck's former life as a CIA analyst and how that informs his public works. We discuss the expiration of Title 42 and what that means for the border crisis and asylum seekers. Buck explains how the modern mass media has developed over time and where disinformation collides with the free press. Shawn and Buck touch on the education system and the future of AI. From the Twitter Files to the Epstein case–we tackle these current events head on. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://helixsleep.com/srs https://mypatriotsupply.com https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://bubsnaturals.com - USE CODE "SHAWN" https://learshawn.com - CALL 800-741-0551 Information contained within Lear Capital’s website is for general educational purposes and is not investment, tax, or legal advice. Past performance may not be indicative of future results. Consult with your tax attorney or financial professional before making an investment decision. Buck Sexton Links: Podcast - https://www.clayandbuck.com/ Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-clay-travis-and-buck-sexton-show/ Spotify - spoti.fi/3ujUe1R Book - https://a.co/d/gz9PlU2 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bucksexton/ Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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run a very close net operation here. There are only six of us. That's it. And each member on this team is the absolute best at what they do. And I love them. Thank you. We're number four. But today I got my good friend Buck Sexton on the show. We decided to do a different type of episode. We're talking about just having a conversation about some of the current events that are going on both in the country and in the world. We kind of kick it off with some of the Twitter file stuff with Elon Musk, move into Jeffrey Epstein,

talk a little bit about that, and then we go and do a variety of other topics. But if you wanna check out Buck, I'm sure you've heard of them. Clay Travis and Buck sexton shows on 500 plus stations throughout the country. They are literally everywhere. So check them out. Please, if you get anything out of this, share the episode, sign up for our newsletter, leave us a review on both Spotify and Apple podcasts, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please welcome Bucksackston to the Sean Ryan Show.

Bucksackston, welcome to the Sean Ryan Show, man. Dude, it is an honor to be here. Thank you. It's been a long time coming. Yeah, man. I'm a fan of the show. It's fun to do a show. You're a fan of. So you can work here. Thank you. I'm a huge fan of you guys too. So let me introduce you real quick. American Radio host, the follow on you in Clay Travis, the follow on for the Rush Limball show, political commentator, podcast or writer and former CIA intelligence officer.

You were an analyst over there. You got a bachelor's degree in political science. You joined the CIA in 2005, and now you're here. The home here, it's quite a journey. So we got a lot to unpack today. I want to hit the Twitter files. I've heard all about them. A lot of us don't have time to dive into all that stuff

and read all that information. I know you've are spun up on it. So let's dive into that. And recently, there was the Epstein drop in the Wall Street Journal. I'd like to cover some of that. And then if we get to it, which maybe we'll start with this title 42, that's expiring here, what, in a week?

May 11th, title 42 is set to expire, yeah. And then we'll get into some CIA stuff. Sure. And maybe what's going on with the Biden's writing some badass memos, drinking some badass coffee back at the end of it, we'll do it. But everybody on this show gets a gift. Oh, that for me.

I thought that's for the audience, thank you so much. Even you, man, that's amazing. You're even good at gift. Thank you so much. Oh, vigilance elite coming, I mean, I've been hearing about these. Now I get to actually taste them. This is for the free.

Thank you so much. Legal in all 50 states. You can take them on disease approved. Thank you so much. Legal in all 50 states. You can take out disease approved. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. You're welcome. But where do you want to start? Do you want to start with the Twitter files? Do you want to start with Title 42?

We could do. You were far about the Twitter files thing. I am too. I just think it's interesting that something that should be the biggest story about the media within the general media ecosystem is almost entirely ignored. Yeah, right. And we know why, but it's just fascinating. This should be a huge thing, right? This should be enormous. This should be watergate, which people talk about all the time now, but because of the political implications of it, it is overwhelmingly ignored.

Yeah, you know, they claim to be a balanced platform back in the day, but turns out 99% of the political donations from the company want to, uh, Democrats. So you know what's fascinating? If you step back and look at the evolution of our media and I actually I take it back to the very beginning. Can I do that? I'm gonna go I do like history a lot so I spend far too much time in my life have spent a lot of time wandering around. I like history books that are on sale, on the like little racks that no one else is looking at and old dusty stores. But if you look at the origins of American media and

journalism, there was always an understanding that it was partisan, it was for a purpose. If you look at what the founding fathers dealt with, newspapers were taking very explicit political positions and whether it was Federalist, anti-Federalist, so on, aligned with an ideology, right? The evening of the point where the American Aurora, for example, on Philadelphia, while Washington, George Washington's in his first term, is saying that he's a traitor who wants to be king, and this is all going to some of the early debates around the Constitution.

So the notion that we used to have this thing of an objective media that was just presenting you the facts, that is actually the initial disinformation and all this, that's not true, that was never true. You get into the 20th century, and you get into the evolution of true mass media, right? I mean, yeah, newspapers fine. We got the printing press, we get to newspapers. But once you have radio, which is what I do now, obviously,

it's my primary day to day job. But then the evolution of television and later on the internet, there was a dominance established of the narrative being. Now it was Democrat, but Democrats were different were different obviously 50 years ago than they are now But this whole notion of journalism as an objective almost a science And that's something I'll return to as well the people who want to control you and want you to just shut up and listen Throughout certainly modern history look at science. We'll talk about this in the context of COVID, but journalists were objective.

That's not really true, obviously. We know that now. And we know it in part because of the evolution of talk radio. I now sit every day in the slot, we say, in the house that Rush built with Clay Travis, my co-host, who's awesome. And we did the best we can to serve Rush's audience. But Rush Limbaugh, some other talk radio hosts, the internet, Fox News, Drudge Report, which used to be amazing.

Did you, were you ever a Drudge Report guy? Drudge Report was my home page starting from when I was a, you know, William F. Buckley reading college kid, you know, like I was, I was all about the drug report. So I bring all this up because you had this break in the control of the narrative where all of a sudden you had not just alternative voices, but powerful alternative voices, who, whether it was, you know was Bill Clinton's affair, in the case of the drug report, or obviously all the things rushed out with, there was finally a little bit of a counterbalance. And of course the left hated this.

The left is authoritarian, and I call them commies for reasons we can get into, they hated this. So that brings us to social media. I know we've done a whole, but what happened is the evolution, with the evolution, the early stages of the internet, finally it seemed like we were approaching something

like a balanced playing field, right? Everybody had a blog and everybody could, you know, voice their opinions. And some of the websites, the upstarts became very, very popular, but what we realized was that even in this massive information, I don't want to say information, warfare space, but it can be. This massive information, super highway of the internet, there are toll roads, there are

choke points, there are ways that you can establish through what is effectively a monopoly, total information dominance. And I've been worried about this even back in the time when I was in the CIA as an analyst, you know, reading my reports and doing my analyst things because when you see the power, you know, there used to be CBS, ABC, NBC news. There used to be all these news entities. And Walter Cronkite says we're losing the Vietnam War. Boom, done. We're losing, right? That was perception. Now, it wasn't really that simple, but there was a power that they had that had had to weigh. The power that they have replaced that with the dominance of social media platforms, which are not just Democrat aligned, which are truly left-wing

evangelist run and operated, which is what we had seen. Far outstripped, I think, what they had had, let's say, in the 80s going into the 90s or at a previous era, because they set these things up onto the promise, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, go down the list, right? And obviously Facebook owns Instagram, so the same thing there. They set them up on the promise, hey guys, we're just, we're here to provide a platform for free speech. We're here for everybody. But in the back, without people seeing with the algorithms, a whole bunch of things, they were already shifting and shaping the conversation, shifting and shaping the conversation. And it's almost more pernicious, right? Because at least if you're reading the New York Times, you're reading the New York Times, if you're Googling something, you're saying,

hey, I think this politician is lying to me. And you go into Google and you try to find, it just doesn't show up. Or something shows up that even says, oh, no, that's not true. Or like, here's a fact check that shows he didn't. What's more damaging to public discourse into the pursuit of truth? So that brings me all the way to Twitter. I just think that's a necessary time.

So you're saying this has always been unbalanced? Oh, absolutely. And it's always been unbalanced where Democrats are pretty much on top. It was. So it was always there. What happened, and I'll tell you how you know this, there was an evolution, because I got in, so I got out of the, I think I officially resigned from the agency 2010, maybe it was 2011, I don't even really remember now. And I went into media right away, which is another thing we can talk about how that

happened. It was kind of a bolt of lightning, it wasn't a thing I was planning on doing. But even early on, I could tell, because there would be, you could tell that there were people who would get more traction On the left and they should for certain ideas and things you could look at what would trend you could tell there was an editorial bias for sure on And Twitter's a platform. I know the best. I've never been a like Facebook native like I've never really been deep into the Facebook Instagram world You know, I'm not a not a beautiful woman who can get a million followers

by posting selfies, so unfortunately, which is, I know a shock to your audience, so I've been much more of a Twitter guy. They were all along. They were skewing the playing field, but what happened? And you could tell this also because people get suspended. And it was, and they originally it was, you get suspended from Twitter and the Jack Dwarsey era

if you were conservative. And then they would, and then there'd be an outcry like, why was this guy suspended for this? And then they'd say, oh, it was a mistake. I don't know if you were even paying attention to this back and it used to be, oh no, it was a mistake because people started to say,

only conservatives are getting banned. Only people on the right, only traditional view Americans, however you want to describe it. They were the only ones getting banned. So they would always say it was a mistake. And then they started to say, it's a violation of terms of service. And then they started to say,

well, we don't even have to share terms of service with you, we just decide. And then it was like your band and shut up, right? It was, it was a, the slope was very slippery on this. And the, the pivot point for them or, or the tipping point for them was Donald Trump. Because I was at CNN in 2015, 2016, as mostly doing counterterrorism analysis on TV, which was a fascinating at CNN, because I'm like, yeah, the jihadists were killing all of us, like they're bad guys, we need to stop them. They're the other CNN people who were like, I don't know.

Maybe we should hear them out. Oh my God. It's like, I think. I think, oh, I've got a whole story about that. Yeah, I mean, there were the left wing lunacy at CNN was already very present. But on Trump, getting back to the Trump and the social media platforms and the Twitter files, Trump was able to use social media in a way

that no one on the right in politics had up to that point. And his ability to go straight to the people with the message was, I think, along with a number of other factors, why he was able to create this political phenomenon and win in 2016. And why it was such a surprise, you remember the New York Times had that thing, 97% chance on election day at Hillary Clinton wins. How could they have missed it by that much? How could they get it so wrong?

Trump, because of his media background and what he had done in his life, understood that if he could get around, now he also would go through the filters to be any, loves to talk to the New York Times, Maggie Haberman, etc. But he would be able to speak to people and set the narrative of the news, honestly, set the agenda without having that filter. And that was a game changer. And so what happened is Dorsey Zuckerberg, all of them, started to get immense social pressure from the activists within those different platforms and outside of them, too, right? But the people that work for them and around them.

And then these other left-wing groups, and the pressure was, how dare you? You can never let this happen again. They are spreading disinformation. They are a threat to democracy. So now we have to openly weaponize these the most powerful media platforms and existence, which are the social media platforms, particularly Google, by the way, which we've done, against one side of the political aisle.

So that's the evolution of it. So Trump kind of broke it out in the open. So rewind and just real quick, if there was always an imbalance, why do you think the balance never changes? Why haven't Republicans or conservative donors, why hasn't this changed at all? Why are we combating it?

Well, to be fair, I think that's always the key question. Elon, for example, is changing it right now. So I would think that that's now, you know, I, one thing we debate on the radio show, Clay and I talk about this. We want to celebrate our wins, but it also sometimes feels like we're always making goal-lined stands, right? Oh, well, you know, Facebook and Twitter kicked a sitting president off the platform. Like I think people have to remember, even foreign governments, I usually don't give

a shit, but if foreign government thinks about going on here, but even the ones that didn't like Trump and would have been, we're like, hold on a second, guys. He is the president. You're not allowing him the access to what is at least in perception a public utility. I know it's technically not. These are private platforms,

but there's a whole other conversation about what about all the regulation? Like, I can't just go on radio and say anything I want, but on social media, they can do anything they want. So I do think that I think they reached the point. If you would ask me that question even a couple of years ago, I would have said, it's a little bit like,

why is it that there are more avowed Marxists on the faculties of top American colleges and universities than Republicans? And it's because to be a leftists operate in the ecosystem of academia, of a corporate America, like an invasive species. Why do you have to worry about an invasive species? Because they don't wanna coexist.

There's no interest in, they wanna, you know, this is the fish that wants to eat the other fish and only have this kind of fish. And that is it. And that is how they operate, by the way, in the federal government bureaucratic ranks as well. It's how they operated at the CIA, certainly on the analyst side, so they agree that they can. It's how they operate in, find me a place where they achieve dominance. Part of it is the psychology of people on the right.

We like to be, we think of things like fair play and principles. And even more than that on this conversation, we'd like to be left alone. Like, we're happy to do our jobs, right? If I work at a lumber mill, as a conservative, I just show up, I want to do the best job, I can at the lumber mill, I get paid for my labor, I go home. If you're of the mindset of these activist lips, you show up and you're like, where's the trans agenda flag on the door? Or like why isn't everyone at the lumber mill

sharing their pronouns? Cause this is the mentality. And I think we finally woken up to that and we've certainly seen it on the social media platforms now where they just, I mean, they openly decided that the Trump thing was the crossing of the Rubicon in so many ways. They openly decided that they were going to suppress. And that, I mean, I'm one of the loudest critics of the,

because it's been really damaging what they've done to the reputation of the CIA. It's really damaging what they've done to the intelligence community. They have fundamentally, you know, with the Hunter Biden laptop, which I know is part of the Twitter files. They have fundamentally undermined those institutions, and it will take generations to repair it if it's even repairable at this point. What do you think it was? Do you think there was one particular thing that Trump did

by the Band-aum? Because in the reason I'm asking, because there's been a lot of, he was here, he was inciting violence, he was inciting violence, but you know, then you have all these other heads and states. Iran, Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Twitter did not delete these tweets, and here's some of them. Here's a tweet. Israel is a cancerous tumor and they need to be eradicated and removed. There's a bunch of these. There's an important I mean, I've referred to this as war time conservatism. People will say, they'll just say he knows what time it is or she knows what time it is.

People will say that it's based, but the recognition, if there's something that is similar to what the left thinks woke is, whatever that is on the right Meaning that you are activated and mobilized right the first thing everyone has to understand is that the mindset of the the leftist authoritarian Is That they do things differently for different people or in different circumstances because they can They do not seek to be even handed or principled. They are not aspiring to approach people with fairness or decency.

They treat the right and left differently because they can't. It is pure power politics. And so when you talk about, well, how is it that, you know, the Iranian mullahs, and, you know, I'm sure, I don't know, if the Kim dynasty, if they're really active on Twitter, but whoever it is,

how is it that they can continue to tweet on the sitting president isn't because they don't really care about the Iranian Mullah because he doesn't threaten their power here and they don't really care about human rights either. They care about Donald Trump because he stands in the way of what they're trying to accomplish and the power they're trying to seize. So the destruction of whatever there are spousing in terms of fairness, balance, equity That's the standard. The the hypocrisy is the point I understand that the reason I'm bringing this up and that that quote was from

Iran and so I want to read the whole quote I'm gonna read a couple of them just to show it I go for it and we'll put screenshots of the tweets on So this is from this is from Iran is Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asia Asia region that has that has to be removed and eradicated it is possible it will happen not removed. In October 2020 the former Malaysian Prime Minister said it was right from Muslims to kill millions of French people. This tweet was removed but the Prime Minister said it was right for Muslims to kill millions of French people. This tweet was removed, but the Prime Minister was not banned from Twitter.

President and Nigeria incited violence against pro. I'm going to screw this up. Bafra groups. Bafra. Yeah, the separatist group there. Yeah. Those of us in the fields for 30 months who went through the war, we will treat them in the language they understand. Twitter deleted the tweet, but didn't ban them.

In October 21, 2021, Twitter allowed Ethiopian Prime Minister Abai Ahmed to call on citizens to take up arms against the Tigray region. Twitter allowed the tweet to remain up and did not ban the Prime Minister. So those are all inciting violence that Twitter didn't care about. And so I don't think Trump had anything even close to any of those tweets. They're liars. That's what you see. They're liars. That's what you see. They're liars. And we all know it now.

And everyone knows it now. So it's out in the open, which is a good thing. There's no doubt about it. And that's why on the Hunter Biden laptop issue, I was shouting about this from the very beginning because I worked for Hayden, who was C.I. director. I worked for Morale when he was acting director. Now, I wasn't walking in at the office every day. But they were chain of command. That's who ultimately, as a DI analyst, was at the top of the hierarchy

and we were supposed to have respect for them. At least in so far as they really cared about the mission and there was something more than just petty partisan nonsense going on with them. And after this whole phenomenon of the Twitter files and everything is only possible because Elon bought Twitter and I think this is, this was because of a number of things, the Babylon B where Seth Dylan, you would see the Babylon B stuff? They're great. I mean, they're doing really fun stuff. Babylon B guys are doing a great job. Seth got locked out of his Twitter account and he and Elon know each other and he's like,

what do you mean? And it was over Rachel Levine as man of the year was basically the tweet. Rachel Levine, as you know, is a transgender man who was like an admiral and HHS or something. I forget, you know, health and human services and had been called woman of the year, which should be an insult to any person who lives in reality, because this is neither a woman nor the woman of the year. But he got locked out of his Twitter account because of that. Okay, so for the objective, and I think this is important to what we're saying

about how they're liars, for the objective statement of fact, Twitter destroyed his account, locked him out forever, and for different media entities, commentators, that can really hurt your business. I mean, there's real consequences to this. It's not just like, oh, well, now I can't,

post on the local message board or something. It really matters. It's meaningful. So that then also brings the brings you back to the whole era of the de-platforming that occurred right around the 2020 election. And you had the 51 was a 50 I keep it is 51 right former intelligence officials who signed something that they had

to know was false and moronic. They hadn't seen the laptop data. I knew people who had mirrored it, and we're offered it to CNN. I offered, he said, hey guys, here we go. Dive through it. Find me the Russian disinformation in here. And also think about what a, if the story wasn't true,

leaving the laptop at the, and, you know, 100 pounds, you guys are, he's like, crackhead and he's, a total mess. I mean, the notion of him for getting a laptop somewhere and never picking it up is completely credible. Let's talk about what was on that laptop.

Sure. I mean, Hunter Biden. So there's the, there's a salacious stuff that has made its way into the realm of the, you know, New York Post front page and all this sort of stuff. And then, and to be clear, there's people over there who've done great reporting on a Miranda Divine, it's an awesome reporting on it.

And they were right, they were right on the Hunter Bind laptop and deserve a tremendous amount of credit. But I think that because the salacious stuff just sticks in the mind more, Hunter wearing a boa in his tidy whiteies with a couple of hookers, you've seen this stuff too. And I mean, the guy's really depraved.

I mean, he's a person who's really in need of serious assistance. And there's the part of it that we're just saying, there's just that interest in someone who's in the state of collapse, I think, or who is a public figure that has messed up his life so much. But then there's the important stuff, which I think is what you're alluding to, which is where was Hunter getting his money from?

Right? Do you think all this stuff was a cover-up for that? They wanted to bring kind of the sexual, the sexual, whatever you want to call it, the sexual stuff up to kind of breeze over the important stuff in the media. I think it's a challenge because even people who want the real story of Hunter Biden and really the corruption that the Democrat Party completely allows and encourages at the very highest level, whether it was the Clinton Foundation, which was clearly a pay for play scheme. I'm on record in the moon.

I was trying to fight commies over at CNN on the air. I would say, because they would talk about the Clinton Foundation, they would say, well, it's a charity. I said, well, it's not really a charity. When you're getting paid $800,000 of speech and flying around the world on private jets, like you're not really operating a charity, right? Bill Clinton made 800 grand from it.

I think it was a Russian bank, was the most he ever got paid for one speech. They were clearly peddling influence, at least the belief in the people writing the checks that they were selling influence. And I said, well, what if I, what if I'm in an elected office? I used to say this on the air. And my wife were all of a sudden a painter.

And I'm not taking any money from anybody, but she's selling paintings for a million dollars a piece. That's what the market will bear. That's what, they go into her gallery, they pay her a million dollars. Would that raise any eyebrows for anybody? Because that's effectively what the market will bear. They go into a gallery, they pay her a million dollars. Would that raise any eyebrows for anybody? Because that's effectively what the Clinton found. Hunter Biden's doing that.

And they won't disclose who's buying these paintings. And we think about that for a moment. You come up with a theoretical to show how crazy, how dishonest, and how cynical all of this is. And it's just a matter of time before they actually do the thing that you're using as the example of how corrupt and dishonest they are. So he is making these finger paintings or whatever they are for $50,000 each.

Ever can check that, that's real. The sitting president's son is doing that. But on the point of worry got his money from him, what's on a hundred Biden laptop? He wasn't getting paid by the Swiss. He wasn't getting checks from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Thailand or something. I mean, maybe that would raise some eyebrows too. I don't.

He was getting it from China and Ukraine. He was getting it from our biggest adversary and he was getting it from a country where his dad as vice president was specifically head of the foreign policy portfolio for the Obama administration in that country and a time when that country was on the brink as it was and USAID in support was basically live or die and Joe Biden is on video bragging about how he fired the chief corruption prosecutor in that country. This is what we'll talk about this with FCN2. There are conspiracy theorists

and there are coincidence theorists, right? Everything is a coincidence. And everything with Hunter Biden and his dad is supposed to be just a coincidence. This is where the money comes from. This is how it's being handled. This is what's going on. How did the FBI get involved in all this?

So one thing that I think everybody has to start to get acclimated to or aware of, better way of saying it, is the counterterrorism apparatus that you and I were familiar with back in the day of the GWAT, right, the global war on terror, and the government agencies with all their resources and all their personnel who are trying to find ways to justify their day-to-day, particularly on the civilian intelligence side, that hasn't gone away. And a lot of the language, a lot of the bureaucratic approach that was used in the global war on terror to deal with, you know, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, good on the list, all these different groups, you're noticing that there are domestic, there are domestic focuses now from FBI and all the rest of them that mirror the language, the

surveillance tactics, the, even the, some of the threat level and concern. I mean, somehow we have transitioned from, we're all on the same page as a country that, you know, bin Laden, al-Qaeda are a mortal threat and are of out enemies, and we got to just put aside some of the political stuff for a while. We take care of them. You fast forward 20 years. What does the counterterrorism apparatus of the United States government say is the biggest threat to this country right now? And as you well know, it is white nationalist, white supremacist, right wing Republicans, basically.

And that's, they connect these, these are not the same thing at all, but they connect these things, purposefully, and we are at a time now when, you know, the FBI has, at least at a senior level and the intelligence agencies, they have chosen a side. And the side is not with the Constitution and the people. The side is with what I call the apparatus, the machinery of the elites and their power and how they run this country. You ask how the FBI got involved, the FBI realized that the surveillance capabilities of the social media companies exceed anything that the federal government is really able to do because people don't realize how easy it is for the acts.

It's one thing. If you think you're being watched, maybe you'll have a courier in Afghanistan and it'll be on, you know, you'll be riding a donkey across the mountains because you don't want the satellites to pick things up, whatever. But if one, you think you have no reason to be watched and two, you're on a commercial platform that shouldn't be just open to the whims of the federal government to snoop on, you'll be very free. You'll share your thoughts.

You'll talk to your buddies. You'll talk to your friends. Well, now sharing your thoughts and buddies, sharing your thoughts with buddies and friends about what you think happened in an election or what happened in the government. Well, sharing your thoughts and buddies, sharing your thoughts with buddies and friends about what you think happened in an election or what happened in the government. This has just happened to them. As we sit here, this is a new phenomenon. They have established that having the wrong beliefs and thoughts about an election and

saying things about what you want to happen or think should have happening is sedition, which is basically treason. So we are heading down a very dark pathway with that. And it is, the train is no longer out in the distance, you know, you're not just kind of hearing the faint sounds of the train on the tracks. You're feeling the rumble now. It is coming. It's coming in this 2024 election. I'm deeply concerned about how this is going to play out for all of us.

The fact that the FBI and the intelligence agencies have, whether it was with Russia, collusion, Hunter Biden, laptop, the Twitter files, they have become much more like domestic intelligence services in other countries. You know this. What is the fixation of domestic intelligence services around the world? It's not stopping the bad guys from doing bad things.

It is regime security, keeping the people who pay us in charge, keeping the people who we share our ideology with or our worldview or whatever, keeping them in charge. That is the primary, you could say, in some of the Western democracies, hopefully that's not true, but in most of the world, right? Every crappy country you and I have ever been to, and you've been a lot more than I have, that is what whatever the domestic intelligence service does or the intelligence service overall does. That's what they're first and foremost concerned with. So the FBI takes it as an opportunity

to get free and unfettered access to really police, speech, and thought. And that is what was going on here. I mean, they were looking at information. I mean, we're talking, we're taking it out of the terrorism context for a second. This was a lot of stuff, was about COVID. Which COVID for me was a massive, I think COVID is the biggest wake-up call we've had in this country about how quickly this place can go authoritarian. And it's not like we're through the storm, I think it's almost like a dry run. And it's one of the biggest political awakenings I've had, honestly, since the whole 9-11

era and everything that we saw and dealt with there. So you think COVID was a dry run? I think it's a dry run in terms of the way what I call the apparatus was able to make people do things that were objectively worthless and even crazy because they said so. The foundation of a totalitarian society is the ability to make people say, affirm, and even believe lies.

This has always been the case. The Soviets, actually, is fascinating when you go back and look at some of this, Lenin wanted to create a new Soviet man, and that, of course, was going to be somebody who was just 100% devoted to the revolution, 100% devoted to whatever it is they wanted to say. And as we know, the Soviet Union became the evil empire and emiserated hundreds of millions of people around the world and millions of people killed and purges and all the rest of what we know from history. Pavlov training the dogs, conditioning. You go back to the origins of the Soviet system and

Lenin himself had a fascination with Ivan Pavlov. Why? Well, if he could condition the dogs in this way, why can't we condition the people in this way? If you can rewire the circuitry of animals to react to certain stimuli and do exactly what you want them to, can't you then have the same thing happen with human beings? And this Lenin was a big fan of Pavlov, even at a time, and it's complicated because, of course, Pavlov almost starved to death because of Soviets. We're starving everybody because the system was a mess,

but later on they re-staffed him, up gave him, he had hundreds of scientists, and there are still people who argue, we don't have a full records of it, that there was a much more clear interest than even desire for experimentation on controlling people in a Pavlovian fashion, the way that they control, or created the conditioning,

selective conditioning in the dogs. And so when you want to have a totalitarian society, you have to force people to believe things that are untrue. That's the baseline of everything, right? That's, this is why Solzhenitsyn's most important exhortation is live not by lies. Well, Sean, we're sitting here and you and I both know if I walked into any fortune 500 company

and sat down on the C-suite and I was like, we all can agree that like only women can get pregnant, right? I'm not going to fly. Now I can't say that. I'm a bad person. I'm a bad person if I say that I might get kicked off Twitter if I say that and so I think it's been a long project that we saw with COVID you had the union of NAS media and mass hysteria and the results were awful horrific mass media and mass hysteria and the results were awful, horrific. We saw blatant violations of the Constitution. We saw the elevation of science that was lunacy, obviously.

I mean, when you sat there and thought about things, and I get a little frustrated because I think even a lot of people on the right, oh, I just don't want to. I'm like, they made your kids, depending on where you are, in New York, mask up between bites outside, sitting on the ground in 30-degree weather. They were abusing children with the power of the state. And people want to forget about this. Who lost their job over that, Sean? Who's going to jail? Who even lost their job over that, Sean? Who's gone to jail?

Who even lost their job to elect it office over that? I mean, you have the lunatic governor of Michigan kept your job. The lunatic governor of California kept his job. I mean, they like it. These people like it. Some of, that's exactly right. Some of them like to be ordered around.

Yeah. There is a deep need that a lot of people have. And somebody even argue it's a basic human condition of the way that they fear choice, they fear freedom, they want order even at the expense of it being authoritarian, as in you just do this because we had half the country go along with this, at least half the country go along with this. Well, at the beginning they had over that.

Over that. I mean, it took a minute for people to realize what was going on. I mean, look, I, so I, I, to me, a minute to realize what was going on. I met, yeah, absolutely. I met with Donald Trump in the Oval Office in May of 2020 at his request.

And, you know, I was in a media capacity. It was kind of funny, because I did a CIA, I did a couple of CIA deep dive briefings for Bush in the Oval Office. I went in there as like a CIA guy, and I went in for those briefings, and it was all like, you know, yes sir, like Commander-in-Chief, like I'm here,

like I'm presenting, you know, you know what I know, it's like, oh, I'm scared, like, we're like, oh no, oh no, he's looking at me weird. But then I went in later and I walked in and Trump's like, bucks sext in best hair and television. Like, I was like, I can't believe I'm in the overall office for this. This is, you know, and we sat there and we talked, we talked about mostly some of the stuff in the Intel community

in terms of at the top level, the concerns about the deep state. Some of what I'm talking about now, Trump is like, I wanna hear what you think about this. So we talked about that a little bit. But then we got to the COVID stuff and I just look at him as it's, sir. This is May of 2020 and I'm just like, he wasn't wearing a mask, by the way,

I wasn't wearing a mask. We're walking on the White House, people are like, yeah, so people knew, right? That was already clear. If you're reading the data, if you are like, yeah, so people knew, right? That was already clear. If you were reading the data, if you're living in reality, you already knew. But I said, sir, you gotta promise me, no more lockdowns.

And we shook hands also at that point. Remember, we're never gonna shake hands again. People forget how crazy we are. I shook hands with Trump and he goes, he goes, oh no, we're not doing any more lockdowns. Well, what happened unfortunately is, I mean, it's complicated because if you had had a Democrat president instead of Donald Trump,

I think we would still be not a full lockdown phase, but we would be, COVID would have transformed America even more than it already did, because it was the biggest opening for true authoritarian power grab that this country has seen certainly in my lifetime. But he let it go to the States. Well, the problem is now you have all these blue States and all these blue cities and these even red States that are still acting like maniacs.

And people weren't really protected from him. This is why I look, I moved from New York to Florida, I'm a Florida resident now. I moved to Rhonda, Sanctus, Florida because of people shouting at me, as I was walking through the lobby where I live, put your mask on, I just wanna look at them, like, why are you insane?

What do you not get? Sitting down, taking your mask off when you eat, you're not, but wearing it when you go to some things, like this is all virtue signaling, this is all garbage. And anyone who's willing to think through the situation themselves, I think, came to that conclusion. I didn't want to get too far afield from you. I mean, didn't it just come out a couple of weeks ago

that the masks, the, the, now the sciences has been released that the masks had less than a 10% success rate of spread and go to. So Fauci said that they work at the margins of 10% in the group setting. Fauci, it's actually funny, he went to my high school. So he's like the most famous alumni of my high school. Oh wow.

I don't know. Maybe I'll get more money than he does in the celebrity lunch raffle or whatever they raffle us off this year because people have realized what a fraud is. But so the deal on masking, masking was compliance training. Masking was never really about it was compliance training and it was a sign signaling mechanism. Be scared, we're in a pandemic, you're obeying. It was a constant reminder because otherwise people might have just started to be like, you know, I'm living my life and everything's pretty fine. And, you know, we're all going to go at some point anyway. I think conservatives in general have, I think the conservative mindset

has more of an understanding and acceptance that we're all going to die at some point. And so, they're less likely to live with this sort of hysterical fear that that pervades all their beliefs about everything, whether it's climate change or any number of things. But on the masking, so I used to sit with people, I would try to walk them through this. And I would say, so why do we mask on planes? Because I had people, I mean, I had people that knew me growing up in New York and they're reaching out on this. And then why do we mask on planes? And they'd say, oh, because you're in really close proximity to other people, you're

really this. Yeah, but you realize that you're pulling your mask up and down to drink, you're pulling mask up and down to drink. You're pulling a mask up and down to eat. You know, if I told you in the simplest terms to go out into the rain, but you're gonna wear a raincoat for half a timer outside, you're wet. Like, what's the point?

It makes no difference, and it's absurd. And if it worked, why hadn't people been doing this before? And I think, unfortunately, we got into what there's, what is it? Matthias Desmit wrote the book on it more recently, but the original is a French, a 19th century Frenchman Gustave Le Bonne who wrote the crowd

and mass formation, or mass formation psychosis. And it's just people wanted to be herd animals, they wanted to be protected. And if you were a mask, you were a part of the herd. And that was the baseline site, it goes back to Pavlov and all that, man. That's the baseline psychological conditioning that was underway.

Man. Can I actually get fired up about just the Twitter file thing for one second with your 100-line top? Okay. So, I mean, I sit here, and I know you've had a number of great patriots and former CIA guys sit here. The CIA brand, and I'd say the intelligence community brand,

has been really unfairly maligned and undermined by the actions of some partisans at the very top of that bureaucracy. I'm going to mention some of them were my, you know, chain of command at the top, so I'm slightly familiar with some of them. But they became unhinged because of Donald Trump. And that brings me to the Hunter Biden laptop. It's funny because they're supposed to be disinformation experts and what they did was

create disinformation. They knew that the laptop was probably real. Everyone knew the laptop was probably real. But they had a purpose But they had a purpose. They had a mission, just like good little FSB officers would. Don't ask any questions. Don't worry that it's a lie. It's game time for this election. Joe Biden is a, you know, a clown who, on his best days, isn't, it's an insult to the notion of the presidency that this guy would be in charge of anything.

Joe Biden might lose this election. It was very close. People sometimes I think forget that when you actually look at where it mattered with the states, not even getting into all the discussion about what was done where and the way things were rigged and all the rest of it. But they knew their job was to use the credibility that they had

to have led people at these institutions, at these agencies, agencies, whereas you know people have given their lives for their country. They've given time with their kids, they've given marriages, they've given everything to try to serve the mission, and they decided to use the credibility from the very top level, not some little nobody from back in the day like me, somebody who was really senior in the process, the most senior people, they used the credibility of those agencies and what was sacrificed by people who did real work and put themselves on the line

in order to propagate a lie to throw an election. That is third world banana republic bullshit. Everybody knows it. And I think that we enter this scary time because when you have a regime that does not feel bound by never mind traditions and conventions, but law that we're all supposed to agree on, which I do not think you have with the Democrat left. And I have criticisms of Republicans too, and we can get into some of that.

But when you have a regime that does not feel bound by tradition and law, and you have an intelligence service or an intelligence apparatus that feels its primary mission is to the regime and not to the people and not to the Constitution. Really bad things can happen and I do believe that is where we are. I do too. I 100% believe that. I mean, do you think there's any turning back? Oh God, I mean, I like to think that there's always room for optimism and there's always hope that things can start

to move in a better direction. Here's my, let me tell you, I'll kind of war game out the concern. And then maybe you and I can both come to how this can get a lot better One of the biggest challenges we have is I think as we get as things in this country become More tyrannical and I do believe that's the appropriate word and you can say oh, but what about Trump won? And then there's and Republicans in this And you can say, oh, but what about Trump won? And then there's, and Republicans in this,

the agenda and the change continues even when we win elections. This is what, because of the seizure, because of the control of so many of the choke points, platforms, levers of power within our society, politically and outside of the immediate realm of politics, the agenda continues and our notion of this as a country bound by the Constitution where the individual is the paramount, the individual is the highest realm of freedom rights and

the need to protect from the state. That is dwindling, I think, very, very rapidly. And I think that if you look at it on a broader spectrum instead of just thinking, oh, well, today is fine. Yesterday was fine. Maybe tomorrow will be great too. They've already indicted a former president, who's a sitting. He is a likely next Republican candidate. They've indicted him on the most absurd grounds imaginable. If you gather together a bunch of law school students, you get in the process, they come up

with the flimsiest felony prosecution of a politician or of a person you could. I think that this would win the prize, right? A payoff to a porn star that was supposed to be labeled as a campaign expense. It makes no sense. No one believes this makes any sense, but they did it. And I've been saying, well, why do they do it? People ask this question, why do they do it? And I say, well, well, why do they do it? Right? People ask this question, why do they do it?

And I say, well, because they are building. They're building to bigger things against Trump and against the movement. And I think you're going to see an indictment coming from Georgia in the summer. I think given the incitement, well, the sedition, conspiracy to commit sedition or whatever the official federal jargon may be,

but they've got effectively sedition or treason charges on the books now against some of the January 6th guys. I think eventually they're gonna hit Trump with a sedition charge effectively call him a traitor. And now for people who say they can't really wanna do that because of what that would do to the country, right? I mean, now, how are we different from one of these hellholes where you and your brothers and arms would have to show up

back in the day and like try to stop everybody from just murdering each other in the streets. How different is our political system really over the long term from the political system in those places if we get to the point where the one party's guy, this is what happens in Russia, right?

This is what happens in countries that we mock for how absurd their system is. This is what you see and like one of the stands where they have elections, but it's 97% goes to the guy who happens to control the secret police. They bring a federal insurrection charge of some kind against Donald Trump. And they finally, they finally see through the promise that they've made to the Democrat base, starting all the way back in 2016 with Russia collusion.

They have been conditioning, again, they have been conditioning their base and their people in this country to be open to the idea of a president who was a traitor and to believe that we have a president who was a traitor. Now to people that paid attention to Russia, the people who paid attention to the whole collusion narrative, they understand it's propaganda, it was lies, it was a deep state operation, okay fine. They don't care about those people

because they don't think they have to. They think they'll have enough to just finally silence the opposition and what do they really ultimately want? They want a one party state. What do they have in California? And look, I love California. I'm not saying California is a Soviet Union, but what do they have? They have a one party state.

What do they think they can achieve in this country? I think they believe they can achieve in this country? I think they believe they can achieve. Not only is it a democracy, sure, or a republic, but I think they believe they can achieve a de facto one party state, and the way to do it is to just completely destroy the existing Republican party by inditing and maybe even imprisoning Donald Trump. And they'll feel good about themselves as they do it because they've convinced themselves that Donald Trump, and they'll feel good about themselves as they do it because they've convinced themselves

that Donald Trump is a traitor to his country, even though the Russia thinks a lie. They don't believe it's a lie. Do you think they're gonna indict Biden or Biden's son? Because it's looking like in the media they're gonna go after him. So, so this is a,

this is a great question. Generally speaking, Democrats, as we know, live by an entirely different set of rules. Right? When they matter to the party, people say, oh, what about some city councilman that was found with a paper bag with $200,000 in under something, and he went away, I'm like, yeah,

because they don't care, because it doesn't matter, right? If you matter to the system, if you matter to what they're trying to achieve, Hillary Clinton's a perfect example of this. I mean, you know this. If I sit down with you on your lawyer and you tell me, hey, man, look,

I just, I kind of learned to rock out my own way when I was working with the government. And so I maybe have 100 TS documents just sitting on my server right now. I'd be like, we need to talk about a plea bargain to like, make sure you see your kids graduate from college. Like, it's, you know, it's bad news, right? This is, this is a bad situation. Hillary Clinton, they just made the whole thing go away.

They just made it go away. It didn't even do no plea, no nothing, right? It just, it was sort of, so that's generally how it goes to the Hunter Biden question. You know nothing, right? It just, it was sort of, so that's generally how it goes to the hunter-biden question. I mean, the guy has, based on the fact pattern we know, committed serious and multiple federal felonies. Never mind, I mean, the drug use thing, sure, but the stuff that really matters is, and it also wouldn't be past the statute of limitations would be

the money laundering and tax evasion. I think the way this gets handled and I hate making predictions especially on a show like this where a lot of people are going to see it. I think the way this goes is he probably, they go through the motions to make it seem like he is subject to justice as well, but he gets absolute kid glove treatment. He will probably be made to plea, to take a plea agreement to something that will be suspended. He'll get, they'll suspend the sentence. There'll be like a prison sentence,, they'll suspend the sentence, there'll be like a prison sentence,

but he'll suspend the sentence pending, you know, any other bad behavior, he'll pay some kind of a fine, and maybe he'll lose his law license, maybe he'll be a convicted felon, but you have to remember, they've already got this, all, they've already got this all scored away. Hunter Biden is Joe Biden's son, and the media narrative around this is Joe Biden has had a lot of personal and family tragedy in his life

Lost his wife in a car accident lost his son to a brain tumor. So who could blame him for Loving and supporting his only remaining child. This is what they're going to say now There's obviously truth in this and I do think that family bonds are sacred. But they'll say that to excuse the fact that they're then not going to look at, why was this guy getting paid millions of dollars by fronts for the Chinese Communist Party? Why was this guy getting paid, you know, whatever it was, $80,000 a month or $70,000 a month by a Ukrainian energy company for his expertise on something he knows nothing about.

I mean, Hunter has expertise in free-basing. You're paying this guy for your Ukrainian. We all know why he's being paid. It couldn't be any more obvious, right? But again, why is he being paid? Oh, my God. The perception or reality of access to his father and his father's friends at the top of the Democrat hierarchy. It's probably, it's brilliant.

I mean, this is one area where conservatives, we Republicans, whatever, we get our asses kicked. We get our asses kicked. The other side figures out, where can we get maximum leverage and maximum power for our efforts and our money? And they just go, you know, we sit around and we're like, well, what would what would John Adams do? Like we have a very different approach to these things.

Like we don't, you know, what would Reagan say about this? We're not, we're not dialed in the same way, although I do think that started to change in recent years. So with Hunter Biden, I mean, you think about even just his dad, they don't even have to have explicit conversations about it, but it can just be, hey, dad, you know, I'm doing, remember, he's lied about knowing what his son did as we know. So he's already on the record. He lied. So we knew more than he said. I'm sure he knew a lot more, but, you know, hey, dad, I'm getting, you'm getting paid really nicely by this company in Ukraine.

That's all it takes. Because then his dad, when he's talking to, as he did, I mean, this is not theoretical, interacting with the Ukrainian authorities who are looking at corruption, because it's a wildly corrupt country, as we know, it's, well, focus on this, not that. Focus on this company, not that company, and Joe standing there, effectively writing the checks

for the US government full-time, is brilliant. It's like, you know, the evil genius of our civilizational destruction, George Soros, nobody had ever thought to just put money into district attorney races in places where they don't live, where they maybe have spent no time just because they realize that that is a weak seam in the system. There's no oversight.

A prosecutor can effectively nullify whatever loss he or she wants and can turn a place into anarchy. And there's almost not unless a governor is going to remove that person or the mayor is going to fire them. And that doesn't happen in Democrat enclave, so that's not really a worry. There's really no oversight of the decision-making process. And it's not a lot of money. I mean, you look at the tens of millions Soros put into these places. And if your idea is to create a fertile ground for at least an ideological revolution in America and the transformation of this country into something other than that, which it is, destroying law and order through radicalizing, or pushing for these radicalized prosecutors, this is

like low tech, high outcome stuff or low cost high outcome stuff. This is easy, easy to do. Talking about the deep state and in soros, how do you think this is all, who's running this? How is this all intertwined? I talk about this as the apparatus and friends of mine joke, it's a kind of like the matrix, I I'm like a little bit, except with communists, instead of machines. You know, I think that there's one, there's a belief in this country that we have with the fall of the wall

and the collapse of the Soviets that we have defeated collectivism. They're done, finished, put aside Communist China, which is really a hybrid model. It's not communist in the purely Marxist sense. It's obviously operating a market economy, but there's some other, anyway, that's another part of the conversation. What's going on in this country?

There's been collectivist infiltration ideologically of the most powerful institutions in America. You've been outside of elected office. And that has been a long, a decades long process where there are people who are true believers who push this stuff, who push collectivism, who push different, you know, we're having conversations all the time about,

well, is it cultural Marxism, we should call it, or wokeism, or what, where did this thing come from? And the reality is it's always been there. It's just gotten more powerful and it's taken different pathways than it has historically in other places. I mean, you know, McCarthy, I mean, here's a perfect example of this, right?

People throw on this term and say, that's McCarthyism. It's like, oh my gosh. It's like not as bad as like racism, but McCarthyism is another badism, right? McCarthy was mostly right. What he was saying was overwhelmingly true. It was certainly true about the high level penetrations of the

United States government by not just communist sympathizers by the KGB. This is very real. And we know this because of the top secret military project, the Vennona, project Vennona. So there were communist infiltrations of the United States government at senior levels. There were a lot of them. Whitaker Chambers wrote his book, Witness. I bring this book up to conservatives all the time. Like, you guys have read Witness, right? Oh, no, I don't know. Witness. You know, it's how he was a communist in America helping the Soviets and realized what evil this was and turned around and then devoted his life to defeating this menace.

And people are, this is sort of this part of our history has all been forgotten, the fight against the totalitarian collectivism of the 20th century that resulted in, you know, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of deaths over the course of the 20th century, depending on how you want to calculate it. And you look at this and you say, do we really think this is just all gone? It's just sort of in the ether now. No, it's still very much there and it goes to, I mean, I don't want to get theological about it, but I do think at some level it goes to the existence of evil. And in modern human basis IDs, that's always something that we lose sight of, but it's very real. I think that if you're trying to undermine, transform, and either, you know, oftentimes,

do they want to destroy, or do they want to, do they want to transform? It's always both, right? Those things go hand in hand. You have to destroy first, destroy first before you can effectively transform. And I do think that there's that process underway in our society. So I call it the apparatus because I think it's a helpful term.

And it harkens back to the Soviet era when they had, you know, apparatus checks we have these terms. Why is it so possible that the second most powerful country in the world in the 20th century, or, you know, let's say from 1945 on, they fell into this despotism and tyranny and this darkness for decades, but that couldn't happen here. I asked people this question. I said, why do you think this couldn't happen here?

What is it about this place? Oh, we're America. I'm like, okay, yeah, I love this place, right? I, we can talk about how much we love it. You don't see the handwriting on the wall for where all of this is going. And we have people now who are being at least economically pressured

and certainly psychologically conditioned to say things that are lies, that we all know are untrue. These are falsehoods. And you are to live your life by these falsehoods. You know, a, you know, if you're, and by the way, the gender thing, they, they, I see all their games. I know how they do their propaganda. I understand how their brainwashing and informational warfare systems work. One of the things they love to do is to push as hard as they can in an area until they meet resistance. And then, you know what they say? What are you talking about? We're not doing that. We don't really want,

you know, we don't really want your kids to be changing in a locker room with people who are, you know, of the other gender. You know, we don't want, you know, if somebody out there has a 14 year old daughter, we don't want her changing in a locker room with people who are, you know, of the other gender, you know, we don't want, you know, if somebody out there has a 14 year old daughter, we don't want her changing in locker room next to a, you know, 30 year old guy who actually says he's a woman as a year, we don't want that. They absolutely do want that. And they keep doing over and over again,

but the moment everyone goes, hold on a second, this is, we've got a problem here. They go, we don't, you know, this is why. And then they do, why are you so focused on this? Are you big it? Something wrong with you, you a bad person. Turn it around right away. Classic.

Classic mind control tactics, classic techniques of brainwashing. And brainwashing, it comes from communism, by the way. I mean, the whole term of brainwash is a term taken from Mandarin Chinese for wash brain, which is what they, which is what was said to have been done to prisoners of the communist regime. Because some of them came out and they were like, you know, they were changed, right? They were fundamentally changed through the isolation, torture, stress techniques, struggle sessions, all of that, which we can talk more about. So, but they tell you that these things aren't happening

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It comes from within all of us, unfortunately. It's the existence of evil and humanity and of the devil is the father of lies. And I'm not somebody who talks about church or faith or anything really very much publicly. But there is, we are entering a phase here in this country where I think that evil is getting its way much more than any of us would have anticipated even 20 or 30 years ago. I think that if you're asking from a systematic, which I know is what you are,

but I do think there's a broader philosophical point here. I mean, you know, you too. I've come to that conclusion as well, because nothing makes sense. Yeah, nothing makes sense. And a sense, Sean, if I told you that we would be able to easily now do a quick Google search and find political leaders and activists across the country, on the left, who would say, if you want to abort

a baby in the ninth month, the week that it is due, there is nothing wrong with that. And in fact, it's a celebration of freedom. If I had told you that 20 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago, but 20 years ago, you would have said, that's, come on. Safe legal and rare, my body, my choice, I'm not saying, you know what I mean?

This would have been the opposition to it, right? No, no, no, no, no, that's not true. It is 100% now. Dogma, doctrine. Speaking about what's true and not true, nine months, you're a dead, nine months to baby. We all know it's a baby, but we can talk about some of the other

political realities of what should be the law on different states and everything else. But they openly say it's not a baby and in fact we should celebrate the termination of this life as a act of freedom. Janet Yellen, the Treasury Secretary, I didn't think this was a minor thing. She says, you know, one thing we could do to help the economy, and I'm paraphrasing, but you know, more abortions. What?

First of all, it's not even true. It's not even accurate. Put aside the humanity of it. We actually need, and this is one of the things I love. Elon Musk is a genius, I think, I think that's fair to say. I don't throw that term around a lot. Mozart is a genius, and there are some people, Einstein is a genius. I think Elon Musk is a genius.

But he's so right on that we don't have enough people. We're not making enough people right now in a lot of parts of the world and really actually overall globally, because we're just not having enough children. One of my regrets is I wish I'd actually started, I mean, I'm married now and we're hoping to start a family very soon,

but I wish I'd started a family, and I hadn't met the right person, I wish I'd started a family even sooner. But there was all this propaganda, all of this, oh, you have to get all these things set. What? So that I, you know, it's like a make VP somewhere or something. I mean, all the thinking of this, I think is cute. Anyway, I don't want it. I'm sorry to divert because your question is core. It's key. The apparatus. Where is the top of it? And it's something that I struggle with all the time.

It's, I mean, it's just so well organized. Everything falls into looking at it from the outside. Everything seems to fall into place just perfectly. Everybody's in on this. Yeah. You know, and you keep referring to the left, but there's also people on the right that are part of this. I mean, Mitch McConnell, you know, we know he's taking the machinery for sure.

It's all intertwined. So it's so well organized. That's what I can't wrap my head around is nobody seems to be able to define, where's the source of this? Where is it starting from? And how is it so well organized and infiltrating literally everything?

You know, I think that there are a few things. I want to deal with the Republican part of it first. The Republicans who are a part of the machinery of the elites right now, I know why they're doing it. They're doing it because they're cowards. They're doing it because it's in their interest. They're doing it because they don't want the heat and the death threats and they don't want their wife to have someone throw shardinay at her at the country club, right? I get it. I know why. Now, this isn't to excuse it,

but this is to say they're just succumbing to the pressure and the incentives, pressure and incentives. So people who are roughly speaking ideologically on the right who are people who use the term control opposition or anything along those lines, right? It's the incentive structure. They want that one editorial in the New York Times about the new found respect. This person, the pad on the head, you know, the pad on the head. I was called the pad on the head. And it's sad.

I've actually seen, you know, I have a rule. And I think it's a good rule. I do not trash anyone who is my friend by name in the media. Like, I don't care what they do or say. I just, I won't, you know, I want to agree with them. I won't lie, but anyone will trash them. But I know people who have gone over, who have become these, like the Republicans who only want us to all be Mitch McConnell and only have nice things to say about the Democrats,

right? And it's sad. I've seen it, it's sad. But they're just, they need that next contract, they've got a mortgage that got bills to pay. And they're, you know, their sense of purpose and the importance of their beliefs is secondary. So now we get to the left. There's obviously that too, right?

That's another component of it. So you think it's the pressure on the right for sh- on the right, I think that the people that go along with the system are overwhelmingly just hoping to keep their perks and privileges and just they just like the way things are as they are. Is it growing or is it shrinking? I think that there has been the best part about the Trump era has been the awakening on the right of the need to think of this as a fight.

I remember Republican politics specifically going back to I was like, this is surprising, nobody was probably watching the undershirt. I was a, you know, college Republican, I was like director of recruiting, I thought Reagan was awesome. But we always had this sense that the highest good is like compromise and triangulation and finding a way that works, but still somewhat respects the constitution. That was kind of a, and now we realize,

these commies want your eight-year-old to destroy his or her agenda while you're pretending that white nationalism is the biggest terrorist threat in the country and climate change is gonna end the world in 10 years. And you know, just, you just go down this list and you're like, I can't. I'm not sitting here having some negotiation

over these issues with normal people. There's a radicalization. I noticed when I say this, the baseline feeling of people on the right is, maybe is that a little too much, there's a little too much talk radio going on there. Notice how they say that, you know, we are monsters, constantly, we are monsters.

I sit here and I advocate on my radio show every day for people to live in freedom and security and decency and I advocate for people to be respectful and kind to each other, I advocate for responsibility, I know. I mean, I had power corrupts, I get that, but, you know, if you made me, if you made me the king of Florida, which I guess right now is Ron DeSantis, people would have clean streets, good schools, safe everything, and yet the left things that I'm a monster.

How is that possible? Both of these things cannot be true, right? Someone has radicalized, it's my point. And I don't think it's us. I don't know either. But do you think this is shrinking or is it growing? I think everything is such a fit. I think these people have ripped in the wiring out of the walls because they know what's

coming. You know what's coming. Take me further on that, meaning that you think that they think the ultimate victory is inside or they think the backlash is coming. I think we're collapsing. Oh. I mean, these banks are failing. We're talking about the debt ceiling.

The, the, every where you look in this country from my standpoint, with my morals, my values, the way I was raised, everything is falling apart. Nothing makes sense. What's up is down, the, the, the, the sexualization of kids, the Vanderbilt University, right down the street from here, was operating on kids. I mean, I think what was it getting,

is young is eight years old, eight years old, cut it off, ripped the ovaries out. I mean, the mainstream is by the way. I mean, that's truly monstrous. Everywhere you look, the racism stuff is, you know, the BLM and T-Fuck, just Ukraine, how China is infiltrating this country in so many different aspects, you know, all around. I mean, the supply chain, COVID, buying offer politicians, the fentanyl crisis, buying our farmland, settling Africa. I mean,

they're there to take the lithium mines in Afghanistan. They're they're gonna supply us with our solar power. I mean, they did just have so many different angles on us, you know, and I you add all of this stuff up together. And it's, so the outcome is going to be great. And so it makes me wonder if these politicians know this is happening that maybe a complete collapse is coming. And they're just ripping the wiring out of the walls. So I have an additional pessimistic thought, and then I have an optimistic thought

to not necessarily balance it out, but I come in at both ways. The history of fiat currency for anybody who is interested is both very instructive and very depressing because the history of fiat currency over a long enough timeline is the history of inflation, corruption, and collapse. Find me a place, and there's people who can even see in history, you see the ancient Roman coins, for example, and they start out and there is a certain

silver purity. There's a certain purity of these, there's silver coins, there's value in these. I think this is the denarius, but I might, you know, you've got a lot of history folks who are watching are going to be like, no, it's not that, but, and then over time, over a series of, call it a couple of centuries, the coinage of the Roman Empire just started to become crap. It went from, you know, 97% silver to, you know, 70% silver, it keeps going down. And this is because they were trying to inflate away their debts. The destruction of the Venezuelan economy is such an important lesson and it's not something that people pay enough attention to in this country. Now, it hits a little bit closer to home for me

just because I live in South Florida and I spend a lot of time with Venezuela and Venezuela and refugees effectively from that state. People don't even realize, basically the entire top of the Venezuelan government are sanctioned narcotráficers by the Treasury Department of this country. And just over that. So they don't care.

I mean, the economy falls apart. There's basically bread lines. There's the Maduro diet, all that they don't care. They're billionaires. They're billionaires from looting their own treasury, but also because they have their hands in the narco-trafficking plow to you. I mean, you know, that for a second, right? How you gonna negotiate with these guys?

How you gonna operate with them? Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Larger than Saudi Arabia. Now, Venezuela and crude is heavier and takes more refined vinceo. People argue about whether it's like the best oil, or, you know, the most efficient, but it does have the largest proven oil reserves in the world. How do you take a country with a rich and sophisticated

culture and the equivalent of a giant ATM machine underground and destroy it so it is an anarchic hellhole of murder, looting, theft, rape, all of it. Just run an economy based on social justice. Just run an economy based on collectivism. Put people in charge who promise that the rich are the problem, and they'll take care of everything as long as you empower them to do whatever is necessary to balance everything out.

And just give them that, just give them that. Now, who does that sound like? In this country, who does that sound like? The destruction of the Venezuelan economy, I think, is a story that every American should know and understand because the, you know, AOC wing of the party, which now is the Vanguard, people, it's not the French. I think that's an important distinction right your military guy

they are the the tip of the spear the the left in the democrat party the ones who look at joe biden joe biden old grandpa joe were supposed to think that he's a guy that we can trust you joseby in politics a long time jose a guy you know you know joe know, Joe, he's like a union guy, you know, he's an old school, he has a Democrat for the working folks. It is all bullshit.

The Biden White House is putting forward executive orders, guidance, you name it about transgender surgery for the kids. All in favor of it, by the way. That's the Biden White House, everybody. So just to completely dissolve this notion, they're like, Joe Biden's a moderate. Joe Biden is a Trojan horse.

He is a false front for a party that if it could get away with going, they don't have the power yet. And I know that. There are Republican governors who're doing a good job. There is a republican party that still exists for something there is donald trump there is ronda santa's there are these individuals who

are trying to hold back the dam and fight in the ways that they can but if the democrat party could go all in the direction of the durable they would absolutely do it because i i do believe the uh... the brainwashing has gotten to that level of the base. The affirmation of lies is so consistent and so widespread. And so the history of fiat currency is one of eventual collapse historically, just because of inflation and the whims of government. And you look at even a country not far from us how rapidly it was the second wealthiest

country in the Western Hamas people forget this. Second wealthiest country in the Western Hamas fear like the year 2000, let's say, something like that. Now, it's just complete mess, collapse. Didn't take very long. I didn't know that. Yeah. Per capita.

Wealthiest per capita. Yeah, for a period of time. It was, it was doing well. Maybe it was the third. I don't know if someone's gonna fact check me on this one. But then on the positive side, I would say as much as the 1619 project likes to malign the American founding

and there's such an effort to undermine whether it's the founding fathers personally or the philosophy. This place that we have, that we have been given, this country, America is truly the work of geniuses built on principles that have been true, not just for our history, but for all of human history. And that makes it durable. It doesn't mean it's invincible, but it is durable. The system that we have is built with redundancies.

The system that we have is built with checks and balances that are meant to keep us from going off the cliff into the abyss. You know, and obviously we've had times to keep us from going off the cliff into the abyss. Obviously, we've had times where it didn't work the way that we had hoped it would, but we have managed to come back to where we are with at least being the single greatest and best hope of mankind.

So I think that the hope and promise of America is a thing that keeps us all going, even as it seems like the winds are being racked up by the other side, which I do believe is a fair. I mean, I, you know, Trump came in a once in a generation, maybe once in a lifetime, political phenomenon and changed the conversation, I think, in really important ways. But I say this to people and they get mad at me. And I say this with love, love for the country

and love for the people that like me, voted for Trump twice, voted for the movement, believe it or not. I'm like, you have to be honest with yourselves. What has changed in our favor that is durable? Now they will say, and this is true, the Supreme Court, right? That's a change that endures, and that's been phenomenal. And the overturning of Roe v. Wake and Donald Trump was the best, most effective pro-life

president that we've ever had, which is a remarkable, you know, remarkable statement to be able to make, and I think it's a true one. But they're hoping to pack the Supreme Court the next time we're out of guys. That's kind of what I mean. It's not about Trump. It's about their understanding of the system, the outer limits of how they operate. People say, what about the four years of Trump? I say, did we solve the border?

Did we solve the border crisis? He held it back, right? He tamped it down and started getting under control. He had six million people come to the country in less than three years. Yeah. Right? So we have to be honest with ourselves about what's happening. Where are the winds, where are the losses?

Where's the transformation occurring? And where, now, on the positive side, parents understanding what's going on. One of the, there are a few really good things that happen from COVID, right? A few things that I think, mostly it was very depressing and frightening for humanity and America specifically, because people are such sheep. You know, lemmings don't really commit suicide, right?

That's all a false. People always say this all the time. Say, if there's nothing else, people learn that from me. They just think about everyone believes they're like, why do lemmings commit suicide? They don't. It comes from some documentary.

The whole thing is an urban legend. But anyway, people were like lemmings in the popular conception though, right? But anyway, so the only good thing about COVID was because of the Zoom stuff at home. Your kids aren't at the age yet where this was really a thing or your child, I should say. But because of the Zoom lessons, I had so many people because I was doing, I was doing five hours a day during COVID on radio.

Like I was just like, you guys have space on that station, like boom, like I just wanted to be, because I needed my audience, because they were my sanity, because if you're listening to me, you understand what I'm telling you is, but this is crazy what's going on here, folks. Having a stand six feet apart and lying outside to get into a grocery store,

that's gonna save your life. But you can jump on a plane. But you can jump on a plane. But if you want to be a limeroy, if you want to be a limeroy, if you want to be a lemriate, you go wild, you do what you want to do, mask, no mask, mask, gathering, who cares. It was tyranny, plain, and simple, but.

And we saw it. And the medical, by the way, I talked about the intelligence professionals, how the intelligence community has just been wildly undermined now, in a way that I think it's going to take a very long time to repair if they ever even try medical professional. So many doctors or cowards. So many doctors or cowards.

Not all of them. Some of them reaching out to me supporting me. I had a world class epidemiologist who I still is always off the, you know, was always without attribution who was talking to me about what was going on and what's real and what's not. You know, people were really talking to me just like, I need someone to know the truth. But I don't want, and you say,

well, why are they worried about their own crew, whatever, they say, well, I'm treating patients, man. If I lose my license, some of them, they rely on me, like, I have an obligation to them. So some of them were in a really tough spot. I get that. But the doctors who were doing the TikTok dances and, you know, mask up, double mask, appalling communists, appalling.

But I just on the parental involvement thing, people saw what their kids were being taught. They saw the reality of the and These are and many on the right say this and they're so correct and it's so important the pipelines for the madness that we see with these you know state capital takeovers of shrieking lunatics and You know the BLM marches and the anti-famini accidental, the pipelines to that in this country are the school systems in the university. And I do think that parents have recognized now.

I know they have because they call me, they tell me, I mean, you know, we're taking calls every day on the show, that if you let your kids get brainwash with this nonsense, it's not gonna matter. It's not gonna matter. You can be there, you can be a great parent, but if they're being told this stuff, and they, because what the schools do is they train them to think their parents have the problem.

They train them so that when some kid comes home from school says, you know, mommy, daddy, like, why, you know, why do you tell me that like, so and so in my class isn't a pansexual? They use this terminology, by the way, for kids. I'm uncomfortable even telling you here on the show, I'm uncomfortable even having a conversation because it is so evil and obtuse and crazy.

But go to the head of content to Disney, head of content at Disney. It is so evil and obtuse and crazy. But go to the head of content at Disney, head of content at Disney. On a company call, this is on video, I don't even can check it. Says she has a non-binary child and a pansexual child. I'm not, what is pansexual? I don't even know, I had to Google it. What is it?

It's like you're all sexualities. You're heterosexual. It's like, it just means all sexual. So Sean, you're asking me a question for which there's no real answer, because it's a fat. It has no meaning. But it's a complex pansexual.

Pansexual. It means you're straight, you're genderqueer, you're by, you're like everything. All of it. All of it. It's effectively the personification of LGBTQIA+.

How many people at home can even tell me what LGBTQIA+, stands for? That is the full acronym. And what is the plus? Now, they're going to pieces. I know what the plus is. It's gonna be pedophilia. Oh my God.

Is that what it is? That's, they're now making pedophilia sexual gender or our sexual identity, excuse me. Oh my God. Have you not heard about this? No, no, I've heard about this. You know, there's an acronym that they will occasionally, it'll pop up in places, articles, news articles,

and things, you've probably seen it. They call it a minor attracted person. Yes, that's the PC term. That's the PC. Just heard about this from somebody in California. And AP. Minor attracted person. Now, see, I always try to never,

I never want to exaggerate the evil that they're doing because I want everyone to really, I need to say things that I always believe are true to my audience and for myself. Like I have to try to live in the truth, given what I do and given what I think my, my mission in life is, right? Like what I'm trying to accomplish. I want to believe, this is my honest assessment, I want to believe that that is not the next step, just because it is so evil, but I couldn't argue with somebody that it logically does not seem to be the next step.

Do you know what I mean? I would hope that that's not where the left is taking it, but if somebody were to push me on this and say, do you think that's where this is going? I would have to say yes. That's where I think it's going. And you sit here and you say, look, the whole... There's already a push towards you. Well, yeah, it's already appearing. But the whole... You can't even talk about it on this platform

because it'll get censored. I just did one. It's already censored. Really? Did the preview, preview was censored. Did shorts, little reels, you know, the short social media reels censored. I didn't even monetize the...

Sure, I interviewed because I'm trying to avoid it because it's important that that kind of information censored. I didn't even monetize that the the the sort of interview because I'm trying to avoid it because it's important that that kind of information. Of course, but there's already a push there's a push in California towards it. Newsom did this bill in 2020. Do you know about this? No what's the bill? The I'm gonna butcher this but the judges it's in the judges' hands whether they want to they want to put these, but the judges, it's in the judges' hands whether they want to, they want to put these people on the sex offenders list. If it's 14 years of age or older, and as long as sex, oral sex, any kind of sex, is consensual. It's up to the judge. Whether that's

a crime or not. Now, this is also spreading. It's either Minnesota or Wisconsin. I can't remember which one. It's already spread. There's 17 different Democrats voted for that. Yeah. It is the next push. You know, that's that's going to be the next bud like commercial. Here's what my God.

Again, I just and you'll be forced. You'll be forced just like right now. You know, with the stuff that we don't agree with, you'll be forced to, you'll be a bigot if you're not. Well, I mean, I, if they're gonna roll it out, I can tell you how they're gonna roll it out because this is how they roll out everything.

It'll start with, it'll start with tolerance, meaning, we need to just tolerate these people. We're not gonna tolerate their behavior. We're not gonna say it's over the behavior's okay to serve but we need to just let them talk about this more. We need them to socialize these ideas more. We need them to describe what it is

to be a minor attracted person. We need to take them out of the shadows, Sean, so that they can get the, you know, more of the help and it's really, right? You see, that's how it always goes. Because people are gonna say, well, that's just evil, guys. You're just talking about evil, right?

Like, if there is a group of people that are, they're like, you know, I just like to statistically abuse dogs. We don't need to bring those people out of the shadows and have a conversation about it. We need to eradicate that, right? But the way they'll roll it out is, if they're going to roll it out, which again, I mean, I hope they won't, because you start to feel like, what am I even, what is this country

even, what am I defending if this is something that's even being talked about in a way that does, you know, has to be considered as the direction we're going in as a country or something. But one of the big vulnerabilities of conservatives of the right in this country is we are polite. And I know that sounds, but we come from, we like to be respectful to people. And the left use is this, they use this, I'll give you an example, just use the preferred pronouns. Why is it such a big deal to you? It'll make this person feel better.

They've had a really tough life. They have this difficult process. And you hear these words, right? You hear these words as a good, as a person, as a man of honor, as a decent human being. You hear when someone is, you know, oh man, you hear about the struggles and you go,

you know, I don't want to make someone's life harder, right? I want everyone to be happy. I want everyone to be safe. I want everyone to, you know, reach their best version of self, find a life of purpose, find a life of service, have a family, all those things. What happens though is you say, all right, I'm going to use the pronouns fast forward a little bit.

That six foot four guy with a penis who's swimming against those women in the NCAA finals is not a man. And if you say it's a man, you're a bad person. That is how they get you. That is how it happens. That is how it unroll rolls in front of your eyes. And so, do you see what I mean about how, if they're gonna do it, it's the frog in the boiling pot.

It's the temperature going slowly. They're gonna come out with it and say, I mean, here, man, if I sat here and I said to you, and let's go back to when you were with the teams, right? If someone sat down and he's like, hey man, like, you hear Bud Light is gonna roll out a transgender influencer campaign where some guy who doesn't act like a woman, by the way.

That's not true. He doesn't act like a woman. Sean, it's an adult male who acts like a 13 or 14 year old girl. A caricature of a 13 or 14 year old girl. The woman acts like this, you know, dancing around and doing all the things that, you know, this is good thing. It's a little bizarre outfit. It's the whole thing. It's bizarre. It's mental illness. The whole thing is crazy. But if I said you Bud Light is gonna run a campaign, by the way, you know, Bud Light's run by an agency guy.

Is it? Yeah. Former, of course. Written up in the Daily Mail. Yeah, former. Well, you know, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you're gonna watch us or whatever, but you know, he should reach out to me.

I know who he should talk to to try to, you know, handle these things. You know, and out of respect for our former employer, I'd be willing to, you know, to talk him through some of this stuff. If someone sat down with you and the team since that, that some guy who's pretending to be willing to, you know, to talk him through some of this stuff. If someone sat down with you, you're in the team since that some guy who's pretending to be a 14 year old girl is gonna be the face of a Bud Light ad,

you'd be like, get the hell out of here. Which has happened. Yeah. So if this is where we are, how can I, and now I know people say there's the pushback and everything, okay, yeah. Why should there need to be pushback? I mean, why should this even be a thing we have to think

about, right? How could it get so crazy that we even have to be mobilizing to stop this level of crazy? Well, speaking of the Navy, in their advertising. In their advertising. Oh, yeah, we get in trouble. The new drag recruiting agenda that there, I didn't want, I don't get in trouble. Of the new drag recruiting agenda that they're... I didn't watch this stuff, I just can't. Yeah, it's a drag queen doing recruiting for the Navy.

You're a Navy, but see, I always, I make fun of the CIA all day, because you know what I mean? Since I the family, you're the teams, man. Like, when you see that, I'm curious, I know it's, I don't wanna be asking you the questions, but what do you think? I just see that. I think this is, this is everything that my friends who were door kickers, who I looked up to as a little CIA guy who was just trying to do my whatever little part of things that I

could. I mean, dude, I always thought, I thought the, man, I don't know if anybody tells this and we can get into some of the CIA stuff, too. Like, I just thought all the GRS guys were awesome. Like, I thought these guys were bad asses. I'm like, I like, to me, that was, the real mission was what the, you know, what the J-Soc guys were doing and everything else. And I just felt like, you know,

if I'm like the equipment manager on this football team, like, awesome, you know, whatever I can do. But then I see this thing with the Navy and all those guys that I knew and some of them I still talk to you, and you know, whatever I can do. But then I see this thing with the Navy and all those guys that I knew and some of them I still talk to you and you know, our friends with whatever. I'm like, the stuff they say is really true. Like this place has lost its mind.

We, the military is our last fortress. It is our last domain, I think, for a lot of us who hark into a traditional America, rooted in sanity and the Constitution and God. And when we see stuff like that happen, we're like, it's just really happening. Do you guys too? Oh yeah, it's happening everywhere. I mean, I don't even recognize any of the places of government I used to work. I don't recognize the seal teams. I don't recognize the Navy. I don't recognize the agency. I don't, I don't, they're not the same.

I mean, I want to get into this a little bit because people ask me, they say, given the beliefs you have, why, you know, I've even been by people who don't know me, like they'll hit me, they'll look, oh, like he's X-C-I-A's, you can't trust him or something. I'm like, guys, I was a kid growing up in New York, 9-11 happens,

and I just feel like I want to help. This is my country, I love my city, I love my country. No one in my family, military, no nothing, in terms of guidance on that, it's not like I had an uncle who was an SF colonel and he could kind of talk me through it. And I was studying Arabic before 9-11 in school, just thought it was interesting. By the way, I think I speak five words now. I just took it in school.

But that was enough at the time to, the recruiters got in. If you just had anything, I had some policy familiarity. I was studying midi's history in politics and school and took a take in a little Arabic. Before 9-11, as you can imagine, 9-11 happens. And I want to go and just do my part. And I think, okay, I grew up in the two authors that had the most impact on me as a kid

were Michael Critan and Tom Clancy. You ever read any Michael Crichton or Tom Clancy? They were the first, first of all, that I remember it. I was probably fourth grade, where I liked reading those books more than watching any TV show or, you know, I got so into it that I looked for it and that was really important. I know it sounds hokie or whatever, but, you know, I got so into it that I would look for it. And that was really important. I know it sounds hokie or whatever, but, you know, to the degree, you can get kids at the youngest possible age to develop a love of reading.

It is, it's such an, it's been a godsend for me, and I think it's so important for everybody else. Anyway, my only knowledge of any of this stuff was from reading like Tom Clancy books, honestly, about the CIA. I knew nothing. I knew no one would ever work there. I was from reading like Tom Clancy books, honestly, about CIA. I knew nothing. And you know, when it would ever work there, I was heading the Wall Street basically as a kid,

which again, for an internet's watching this, they're like, yeah, it looks like some dude, he's sitting there like, by cell, you know, air miss tie, French cups, you know. It's like, wow, like what's my, what's my piece of the pie on this deal, you know, and shouting and everything, I mean, I look, I mean, we are what we are, right?

I mean, I kind of grew up in New York City, grew up around that. And so I go to join the, why do I go to join the CI? I go to join the CI because I figure that would be the best usage of my skill set. And also I'd worked at some think tanks and so people would say, you should consider joining the agency. There was put out there. So I wasn't coming out of totally left field with it. But I applied.

I just applied and I ended up going to work there. And we can, you know, there's not a lot to say about that. Like I feel like I'm sitting here, you know, walking in the footsteps of giants you've had from special operations community. I'm going to be like, yeah, like, I was writing this paper on the assessment for, you know, this province in Afghanistan. And man, let me tell you, the coordination negotiations with other authors were really

intense. So, you know, but I'm happy to, you know, talk about it a little bit. I do have some funny thoughts about the way that different agency personnel are depicted in the pop culture. But on a serious note, I just feel like... We all knew while we were there. There was this unspoken thing of... our country was attacked.

We are at war. We don't know where this is going, but there was a viciousness and an insanity to our enemy that has to be met with the full force of our republic and of all the people that we can muster together on this. There was that unity, and I will tell you, it was interesting because even during the Bush years when I was there, you could tell there were people who they hated Bush so much that they weren't really, they, good news was bad news to them about the warning rocks specifically.

I know that's a, I know that's a harsh thing to say, but there were people in that CIA office who I think were rooting for the search to fail. For example, not publicly, but I knew them, right? I was a worker bee. I was, you know, a little nobody in the bowels of Langley. Looking back on that, can you see any reason why? They'll be happy about that.

Maybe, Cheney. Oh, I mean, they, they, Halleberton. They'll be happy about that. Maybe, Cheney. Oh, I mean, they, they, Halleburden. Yeah, they, they thought that that the real enemy was here at home. There were people working in, certainly in the State Department, which unfortunately, it was a communist nest of infiltration

during the McCarthy years, and there are still some people that are commies. I mean, they're not taking payment from, you know, the Soviets anymore, but there are still some people, there are commies, I mean, they're not taken payment from the Soviets anymore, but there's very left-wing radical ideology among some, and again, we're speaking about organizations of thousands of people, and I know there are kick-ass former Marines who also go to work at state

and they're great guys and they're patriots, so just for the purposes of getting it on the record, I'm speaking about the radicals within these institutions, who unfortunately often find their way to the top of the institution, then they control the institutional power. Right, so I'm not cascading. I have to deal with this with the FBI, I'll attend. I get this FBI guy, so we're like,

I love your show. I agree with you on everything. I think we're doing phenomenal for the country. Why are you bashing guys like me? I'm like, I'm not bashing guys like you. You're locking up, you know, mafia guys and cartel members, and you know, you're working out of like the Oklahoma field office. I'm talking about the guys in DC calling the shots who are trying to throw presidential elections.

And they're like, all right, I got it. They get it, right? So it's a different thing. But you could already see the undermining of the mission. It was more important that Bush and the Republicans had their faces kind of rubbed in the dirt over Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever, then we actually start to see the progress that we need to stabilizing and get a hell out of these places, right?

That was a, I'm not saying that was a dominant theme, but there were people that were very, in my mind, very much aligned with that thinking. And it came across to me during different things. And even in some of the briefings with senior Democrat personnel, elected officials, members of Congress, things like that, it was clear that, you know, we'd show them the declining casualty figures in Iraq things like that and some of them People arguing on this some of them were disappointed More important to be able to be in power here at home and deal with the enemy here at home

Then whatever's going on overseas and that was a change in my under because I arrived CIA I'm like I just want to help like how can I do whatever I can for this mission right and and like I said like we're just like oh my god you know we thought we thought of the J I mean that it's I was an analyst I know you've had case officers here so you know case officers are you know great at telling you how to deal with your third ex-wife but you know I was I mean it's true, right? So the case office is just to give us

little analysts a hard time. But we looked at like the, whenever we went over to see, I went overseas a couple of times as an analyst, short stuff, nothing very interesting. But we looked at the JSOC guys as like, I'm gonna just admit that it's like superheroes. We're just like, oh my like, I'm gonna just admit this, it's like superheroes. We're just like, oh my God, like what these guys are doing.

Like it's amazing, you know, and like we thought it was, it was just to even be, you know, in the vicinity of their skill set and their devotion to mission and what they were doing for the country, like, I'm like, this is why, this is why I joined the C. I just, just to try to even be near this team, just to do whatever, you know,

to sit there and, you know, brief the general about what's going on here, so then he, whatever it is that we could do. And I was obviously, I mean, I did go into a two-oval office briefing, so I keep saying I was just kind of a whatever, but I ended up doing well as an analyst, because I'm a big nerd and I read a lot.

So I was good at that job, but it was apparent to me that that sense of like, we're all in the same team, we're all in the same mission. We got these guys out. And I don't wanna just talk to the J-Scikis. It's obviously also, you know, the National Guard guy is doing amazing work and taking tremendous sacrifice,

but anytime I got any static from inside of Langley, from people who, first of all, were very, they were like policing language, they would police language over, you know, like G-Hotty, you know, and other things that we would refer to them like, oh, like we, you know, don't, do you know what I mean? Like there was a little bit of, you know, and other things that we would refer to them. Like, oh, like we, you know, don't, do you know what I mean?

Like, there was a little bit of, you know, let's not dehumanize all the sarcawi guys that quickly, okay? You know, they have families to them. We're like, oh, so this was happening a lot earlier than I thought. Oh yeah. Wow. Oh yeah.

I saw what happened. I didn't see it that early. Yeah. I mean, maybe it that early. Yeah. I mean, maybe I see this archaic in the wall, so maybe like, you know, move the timeline, but I'm telling you when the Obama administration started, and it was all a rock, bad war, Afghanistan, good war. By the way, how's that looking now?

I mean, do you really think about it, right? You know, I think there is a strong argument against Iraq, obviously, a very strong one, but I think the way that Afghanistan was handled, I was enough Afghanistan in 2010. Again, short stuff just in and out of country, nothing remarkable or even vaguely impressive. But I mean, I did have access to the very top level assessments and intelligence that were going on there. And I just remember thinking to myself, like, this is never gonna work.

And all these other people in country at the time, on the intel side, we're like, yeah, this is never gonna work. And then I'd go and meet with these military guys. And again, you gotta remember, I'm like a 20 something, now I'm a 41 year old man, I even have a little bit of hair on my face, I don't look like a kid or just, I look like a kid something. Now I'm a 41 year old man, I even have a little bit of hair on my face. I look like a kid or just, I look like a kid or just got out of

a fraternity party when I joined the CIA. Because basically because I did, because I did, I was like 22, 23 years old, and I was a kid and I just was like, I wanna help, I mean, that was just my attitude. I was like, I'll make money later on in life. I just wanna find a way to help these guys. But I go over there and I meet with,

whether it was like an OD18 or all the way up, and I brief the four star in country and stuff. This stuff sound when you're in, when you're, it's kind of funny, when you're in, and it's like this stuff, it's like, oh, you almost think of it as, like these resume bullets, like I was talking like this important person.

Then you get older, you're like, most of those guys were schmucks and didn't really know anything and we're just kind of covering their asses. But when you're in it, there's this sense that these people, the adults are in charge, right? I'm a 20-something-year-old kid who's there on behalf of the CIA and I'm talking to these guys who have real responsibility and real authority.

And there's just this assumption like, well, they must be competent, they must be smart, these guys who have real responsibility and real authority. There's just this assumption like, well, they must be competent. They must be smart. They must have the best interests of their soldiers at heart. Not necessarily. Some of them, again, some of them, we're speaking in generalities, but not all of them. I think the deal in Afghanistan was that I saw this play out a lot where you had the people who were doing the fighting,

the people who were in the village level. They were seeing what the reality was. And by the time it got up to brigade or whatever, I never served, so I didn't even really know the terminology very well. I just was, you know, coming in there, like doing the analyst thing. And what they would, by the time it would get up,

it would always be, well, you know, there are challenges about we're making progress. I mean, looking back, by the way, they weren't making progress. Looking back, do you, do you, I wanna ask about what do you think about Cheney and Haliburton in the Iraq war? Oh man, I got, I mean, I was in college

when that stuff was breaking out, so I got to go way back here. I mean, Cheney and Haliburton, hmm. Look, I think some of that stuff is, I think some of that is, do you think that had anything to do with us going in there? No, Chini was a... He's a rich guy, he's a rich guy anyway.

I don't think that Halliburton stock price is pushing him to push for a war. I think that there were neo-conservative interventionists in the US foreign policy establishment and particularly at the top of the Republican party who really believe that there would be this flowering of democracy that they were wrong. I mean, they got it wrong. And there was the WMD thing, which I mean, I was in the Iraq office right in the CIA.

So I'm not when the WMD thing happened, but later on, and you can imagine that everyone was kind of, oh, that wasn't good. So I think you're probably, honestly, you're probably much more up to speed on a chaining in Halibur and then I, when I got into things, I'm not up to speed on it.

I just know what I saw. What I saw was every single thing in country, fuel points, buildings, cooks, cleaners, construction, everything, all logistics were, were Haliburton, everything in both Afghanistan and Iraq. And at the time, you know, I was like you, I was 20, 22, 23, 24 years old, killing bad guys, kicking doors in, doing what I want to do, defend the country, fight for my country, take the fight to the enemy. But now, 20 years later, looking back, it makes me wonder. So there are things that I think I know, the things that I want to know, right?

A lot of what I've been talking about are things that I believe, obviously very strongly in and have thought about. One of my skill sets is almost an OCD level obsessive thinking about things. I'll just keep thinking about complicated problem or an issue, I'll just keep going to it, keep going to it, and it as an analyst or somebody who's

operating in that realm that can as long as you're directed toward that and not you know, did I leave the gas stove on or something like it can be very effective right you go wait did I did I? But I don't have Because I really just haven't even thought about I focus focus more on Afghanistan and for obvious reasons, in recent years, and what happened there and the realities of it. I mean, I remember, what was it, Mike Shoyer? Remember Mike Shoyer?

He wrote that book, Imperial Huberis. He was an agency guy, and he used to do Russia today, and he would, obviously, it was ex-formerly, and he wrote this book. I actually, I think it was anonymous, but the book was anonymous, but you're, can I? I need to check this, I need to get this right. I'm not sure if it was ever actually attributed to him,

but he's a former agency guy, and he was one of the guys who would talk about how, this would be, this is when I was in college, how Afghanistan is just like, it's just not gonna work. Like, we can go there and kill bad guys, we gotta get out, but this whole nation building thing of any kind, no chance. He wrote that book in like 2002, I think.

I mean, it was right at the very beginning. So, you know, I sit here and I think about Afghanistan a lot and I think that people weren't able to, if they, I think that it's just hard to get truth all the way up the system for political reasons. On Iraq, I would be open to knowing more about the beginnings of it and how it all happened. I mean, when we invaded Iraq, I was a junior in college. And it's kind of remarkable now in retrospect. Like I see guys who are my age when I showed up at Langley,

and I'm like, oh, it's like a kid, you know what I mean? I mean, I'm 41. I still look like a kid to a lot of people, but I am 41, so I'm getting old now. And, you know, I just didn't know anything, right? I just wanted to help. I didn't even like to use, I didn't even want to say,

like when people would say thank you, sometimes people say thank you for your service or something, knowing that I'm CIA, I mean, I've never served the military. I was like, no, I didn't serve. I tried to help. That's how I just thought of it. Like I'm trying to help out.

You serve, those guys serve. I'm helping. I'm doing whatever I can. And honestly, it felt like it wasn't enough too. That was one of the reasons. People ask why I left. It kind of felt like, what am I, you know, what is my contribution here really? You know, I think the intelligence agencies are really bloated, really bureaucratic, often lack of sense of mission, eat their own, throw people under the bus for nonsense, bureaucratic bullshit.

You know, the internal sort of security functionaries just constantly harass people for no good reason and the best the best people often leave. That was my experience. Every hard-charging legit, you know, person that you would think of as a CIA officer for my office a bit, you know, person that you would think of as a CIA officer for my office, who you would want in that job, you know, obviously not door kickers, not war fighters, but doing what they were doing. With few exceptions, there are a few exceptions.

I'd say 75% of the people that I thought were badass at their job left. 25% stayed, but 75% left. Yeah, I think that's true. Just about all government entities. I mean, I believe it. And there just needs to be a total rethink. Look, I mean, I talked to Trump about whether I'd be able to and willing to help him. And I know if people think it's crazy, because I always spend what, four, five years in, but go in and just like how just clean up the mess in these places. There's institutional rot. There is ideological ideologically, I think it

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All right, Buck, on the break, we just got back from the break and we were kind of talking about how the CIA has changed over the years. I know you have a lot to say on this, so let's dive in. You know, I have friends who we're still in and they all know what I do and what I've done. When I got into media and commentary, very few people who were former CIA were doing it. They were a handful of us, but now it's like we're everywhere, right? There's people all over the place. Security state is taking over the airwaves.

But of the ones that are still in, I would talk to them, I would say, how is it over there? And they just give me their very general assessments. But it's unsurprising, I'm sure, for everyone to hear. It's just like so much of the rest of the federal government is at this point in terms of policy. And without the war on terror, whatever you wanna call it to be the primary mission,

I think people are much more concerned with some of the bureaucratic, both naval gazing and activism that's going on, real concerns. How bad is it over there? I mean, I had a friend who was gonna come out and he reached out to me and he said, he was all fired up to come out.

I mean, when I was in the CIA, and I actually created something called the Fredometer, just like a, it was like a poster we put up in the office and it was like measuring freedom. It's like, Teab America was very high and Reagan and then you kind of go down this. And it was like, it was a joke, right? And everyone thought it was pretty funny.

I mean, it was like board analyst guy stuff and created the free for Dominor and over the freedom meter, some people called it. And I remember that one of the more woke managers one day was like, you guys realize this is a Hatch Act violation, right? A what? Hatch Act violation.

Federal law, Hatch Act. And I was like, it's a Hatch Act violation. Like, it's a fucking joke. Like, what are you talking about? Oh, but because Reagan was on the poster and like a fucking joke. Like, who do you talk to about? Oh, but because Reagan was on the poster and like a positive, I mean, there were like, like freedom fries were on there like low, I mean, it was a joke, it was a joke.

No sense of humor, no sense of humor a lot. And, you know, it wasn't, it was inappropriate. It's that it was a violation of law because it was in a federal office and it had something positive to say about a long dead Republican president, basically. Among all the other things. So I was aware of this idea there, right?

I was aware that this was a thing, that there, because everyone was, I mean, one was the guys in my office. Oh, that would be like beginning of the Obama administration, 2009, yeah, that's when that went down, yeah, 2009. So, and I remember that, and I was like, and we took it down, I was like, all right,

whatever, fine, I don't want, you know, because in a lot of these places, unfortunately, some of the worst people are the ones that do the internal security stuff, as you well know. I mean, you know, I just, it's like the worst dean of your high school, like the worst high school dean imaginable, but actually given the powers of the federal government,

they never find anyone who's actually doing anything, like they never actually stop any of the leaks or any of the bad stuff. They just find anyone who was actually doing anything, like, they never actually stop any of the leaks or any of the bad stuff. They just harass everyone who's actually trying to do their job and be a good person and wants to be a patriot and serve. They just annoy the shit out of those people. How fast do you think this happened? What?

From, oh, from the transformation then. I saw, so I mean, I wasn't there very long, so you'd have to say, very long at. So you'd have to say very long at all, you'd have to say it was rapid. But I mean, I can tell you that I increasingly felt uncomfortable in that place with the start of the Obama administration, not because I wasn't willing to serve the mission under a Democrat president, but just because the, you know, it was almost like, the attitude of a lot of people, including people in positions of influence in there

was, you know, the idiot king is gone, and now the glorious monarch shall reign. And I was just, it just was bizarre to me. I was like, what do you guys even, what do you guys even talking about here? Like we're in the Afghanistan war, Obama has no idea what the hell he's doing. We're going to surge, but we're going to end the surge before we ever say when we're ending the surge while we're doing it. I mean, the whole thing was just a complete mess. And I think you just started to see some of the elements

of what now you call the woke or the more radical left, asserting themselves inside the institution. And I mean, you can see this because some of the people who are running it then, fast forward, they're signing the Hunter Biden laptop is fake litter. So I'm not, you know, this isn't something that I've just come up with on my own out of nowhere and there's no basis for this.

And you had people that were running these institutions became liars, became propping andists for the regime, for the collective, for the apparatus, and did tremendous damage to it. And they're doing this. The decision to politicize everything has been a long time in the making, but in this country, the move to politicize everything has rapidly accelerated over the last 15 years. That's, yeah, I feel like it's rapidly accelerated in the last three years.

Well, for sure, I think it's almost like, you know, a bolder rolling down the hill, right? Like it takes a little bit, but now it's getting to its maximum velocity. I mean, I was having a discussion about this a couple of days ago with somebody, and they think that they're losing. All these agendas, they think that they're losing,

and that's why it's going full force. We're not stopping, we're just going for cats out of the bag. They think the left things they're losing? Oh man, I wish, whoever this is, I gotta go back and listen to some Sean Ryan podcast episodes here. It wasn't on the show. Oh, it wasn't on the show.

People just talked to you. Because I was gonna say, I think that they increasingly view themselves as unconstrained by the rules of the game as we've known them for a very long time. I think that the push doesn't come from a place of their ideas are weak, their arguments are weak. That's always going to be an insecurity,

but in terms of their power within the system, I mean, they're about to indict again, I should say, further indict the Republican nominee for the presidency. They're going to try to take him out using the judicial system as a weapon. And I do believe they're going to try to lock him up in prison. And that to me, that's what you do when you think that you can finish off the opposition. That's not what you do when you're worried that you're not going to be able to, you know, keep it all going or keep it all going together.

They were saying that the agenda has been accelerated out of desperation and it's showing signs of desperation now and that then only happens when you're about to lose. Well, I hope that they're right. I know that's right. Because that's positive at least, right? I mean, if that's really the position that they find themselves in, I would want to push more on that. By the way, I love optimistic narratives about where the country's going. I want to hear them all the time

because I live in this world of constantly facing what I think the problems are and trying to help people who have their own lives, their own leading, their jobs are doing, their families are raising, help them understand exactly what's happening in these different places and then get people as motivated and energized as I can to do whatever they can in their own way to tackle it. So that means you're looking at a lot. I'm looking at problems in the country more than anything else.

I mean, I could sit here and talk about a lot of great things about America too, as we all could. But so narratives that we're heading in an optimistic direction, I'm certainly very open to. I just think the data points indicate the opposite, which is that they are their ascendant. And I mean, so here's an example, right? John Fetterman, Senator from Pennsylvania. their ascendant and I mean he so here's an example right John Federman

Senator from Pennsylvania You can look at this and say he is so It's so pathetic that they put forward this guy who is neither intelligent nor charismatic nor accomplished or you know kind of whereas the Shlumpy hoodie everywhere and the whole thing And and obviously how to major stroke and was not really capable, not really up for doing the job that he was doing, that he would be doing the Senate. You can say, that's a desperation move

or you can say, that's what the hell are you gonna do about a move? We can get away with this too. What are you gonna do? What's your move now? And I tend to fall in the latter category. I tend to think that the brazenness doesn't come from desperation from the left.

It comes from a sense that they are empowered and getting what they want. I mean, that's how I see it. I'm very similar to you. I look at all the problems. And I don't, as much as I hate to say this on the show, I don't see a lot of positivity. And so, yeah, I'm looking for the positive narratives as well. And you're a lot more spun up on this than I am because of your show

and everybody that you are around and the access that you have. but I just wanted to hear what you thought about that. No, sure. No, look, I love hearing points of view that can make me feel more hopeful about the future of the country. I think it's necessary, too, because you can get... I mentioned Michael Criton before, and he had an insight, this is the, for everyone I'm sure everyone knows, but just, you know, wrote Jurassic Park, created the show ER, wrote and drama to strain, Congo, rising sun. I mean, you know, it was just like a best-seller machine back in the 80s and 90s. And he gave him interview once where he said, which I have to understand is that catastrophism always, catastrophism is always interesting, and it goes beyond interesting to people. Me, he means it catches people's minds,

catches their attention. He said that it's at a point where if you want people at a cocktail party or at an in-kind of a setting to pay attention to you, talk about, you know, Catastrophism. Because if you talk about how good things are, they'll get mad at you. And I always thought that was so interesting. Because everyone's generally so focused on the

possibility of collapse and destruction and challenge your brain. We're from an evolutionary standpoint, we're supposed to survive, reproduce. That's, stay safe, stay fed, reproduce. That's what we're supposed to do. And in our modern society, we don't really have anymore. So we have this, we have these, what is it, the amygdala, like the lizard brain, and we have these things that are our own to keep us alive, that instead start focusing on, you know,

oh, like what's gonna happen with that next promotion? Or what's gonna happen with climate change where people get all these fixations. But it's hard because if you try to tell people that overall, I always say I'm very optimistic about the day to day, I'm pessimistic about the future. So I don't know if that's helpful for people, but I think you make the most you can out of the relationships and what you are in your life to your community, the people around, do you take care of yours, you live in truth, you push for your community, your country as much as you can, and no one knows what's going to happen in 10 years, no one knows what's going to happen

in a year. I'm always looking for positivity too, and you said earlier in the interview that you think that this Marxism, this extreme agenda, a lot of it's coming from the educational system. Yeah, it's more and more I see people yanking their kids out of school doing home schooling Put them in private school now with this chat GPT stuff put them in private school. Now with this chat GPT stuff, people aren't writing papers anymore. I was talking to somebody that goes to Harvard, Harvard Business School right now,

and they were all, it's a veteran. They were all excited to get in there. They're in an Ivy League school now, and everybody there is having chat GPT write their papers, which in my mind, and everybody there is Peppin Chat GPT, write their papers, which in my mind, it seems like universities are gonna come, become completely irrelevant.

So, do you think there may be a shift? Now, at the same token, they'll use AI to manipulate the entire population, I'm sure, but more and more people are coming out of the educational institutions. Do you think they could change? So the only challenge I ever showed, every time you ask me a question,

there's like 15 things that I want to say in response to your questions, because I think they probe right into, you know, a lot of areas I want to go. So let me try to, let me, I need to be taking notes when you're talking about these things. I think that on the school, let's do schools in the university, okay?

So on the school front, there is an awakening about what is being taught to children in schools. Here's an example. Governor, no, that's my home state governor. So if anyone wants to, you probably want to, you probably want Governor Sanders. But I also think he's been the model for Republican governors.

People can say whatever they want about who their favorite presidential candidate is. I don't take positions in Republican primaries for president. Just I don't do it. I don't take positions of Republican primaries for it. Because I focused my, you know, fire on the enemy, so to speak. But he did a press conference because they keep saying that they're banning books.

You'll hear this, they're banning books. They're not banning books. I mean, if you say that triple X films are not to be in the school library for kids to take out and watch at home, you're not banning adult films or pornography. You're saying, we don't want this in the school library, right? This is very straightforward.

When they say, we don't want certain books in the third grade curriculum or in the grammar school library, that's exactly the same thing. But you'll notice a big talking point left. They say they ban books all the time. It's not true. And they want to connect it in people's minds to the Nazis burning books. I mean, you know, there's always the left is much better at language than we are, something else we can talk about if you want. The left is much better at branding the language.

But the DeSantis press conference, they had to pull away, meaning the media had to pull away from, because he was showing what was in these books. I mean, you're talking about, like again, it's uncomfortable even to describe it, but you're showing that, you know, Falecio and you're showing, you know, to children. In these books, this is what's actually, that's actually in the books.

In the books. In the books. For third graders. Yeah, for third graders, they've access to. The media had to pull away from what DeSantis was showing in the books that are allowed because they couldn't air it Sean. And that was the whole brilliance of the press conference. Oh, you think we're banning books?

You can't even show your adult audience what is in these books that the Democrats want in these school libraries. By the way, they don't say gay bill, another thing in that state, which is not actually a don't say gay bill, it's the parental rights and education bill, but Democrats buy a majority in the state of Florida

were in favor of it, what you never heard about. Because they don't want their kids being told, I'm a Jordan, not all of them. There are some who are, you know, my eight-year-old is like a non-Sysgender, you know, whatever, right? That's very sad and child abuse and it's a whole other conversation. But the Democrats in the state of Florida, the ones who were, you know, seeing this with sanity to their credit, they were in favor of it. So, you know, of the bill, the parental rights and education bill. So,

people are awake on the school level and homeschooling, but even more than that, why allow your local school board to be run by Zellat Lunatics? Well, is this out of the media at all, he's DeSantis showing these books because I'm going to insert the clip on this episode. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah, you can find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They pulled away from the press conference,

because DeSantis held a press conference where he's like, look, what's in these books? And so today we're going to be exposing. We've already exposed with that video, I think, this idea of a book ban in Florida, that's how they don't want books in the library. That's a hoax. And that's about they don't want books in the library. That's a hoax. And that's really a nasty hoax

because it's a hoax in service of trying to pollute and sexualize our children. It's crazy. This is the thing. I think people, you know, we all want to live our lives and you can get desensitized to the level of crazy that's out there right now just because, or I assume there's desensitized to the level of crazy that's out there right now just because,

or I assume there's desensitization and there's also just, you wanna remove yourself from it. You're like, how is this? I just, we can't even engage because some of the, well, we have to engage. And parents are finding out, and again, speaking as a result of, people I know have joined school boards.

I have a friend, Ryan Gerdeski, who now at a national level is trying to push for more involvement. It's, he's got a pack. He tries to push for more, you know, conservative parents to get involved in their school boards. It's really important. I mean, what your kids are being taught, you know,

I, it's sad. I have people that will call on the radio show. And, or usually actually these are more emails, you know, there's so many ways people reach out to you, reach out to me. But I have people that will call on the radio show. Or usually actually these are more emails. You know, there's so many ways people reach out to you, reach out to me. The email must say, you know, my 20 year old has come back from Oberlin, you know, or Mizzou or wherever. Read college, Wesleyan.

A 20 year old has come back and thinks that my husband is like a man's explaining, white supremacist, troglodyte, and I, I'm not woken off and all of this other stuff, like what do I do? And there's no good answer, because at that point, I mean, the process has gone so far along that if you weren't building those values and really building wisdom and virtue, things that no one even talks about anymore, building wisdom and virtue in

your children at a young age because that is their only defense against this stuff later on. The reality is I think that some people are too late on this and then there's the school component. I mean, like I know a ton of people want to business school. I almost went to business school. I went to the media instead. And it was because I didn't want to take out loans, honestly. I was just like, I just didn't want debt. I hate debt.

Strategic debt is fine, right? Like buying properties that are an asset. But student loan debt, I didn't want it. And I thought about business school. People have to understand that most universities now are a credentialing program where the credential becomes less and less valuable with each passing year. Nobody cares.

No one has ever given me a job because of where I went to school. No one has ever really cared, I think, about where I went to school. It's always just been about hustle, finding the right place, the right time, maneuvering, being relentless. I gave a talk to my high school, actually. This is when I was CIA, so I used to get invited to speak places.

Like at my schools, they don't invite me anymore. They don't, I'm toxic. Now that I host with Clay, the, I mean, maybe, you know, it's either Hannity or, you know, awesome. We're basically, you know, 500 stations, you know, each something like that, you know. But, so it's one of the biggest, I'll just say, one of the biggest radio shows in the country,

certainly in the top three. And they wanted, I don't get it in my college. I'm dead due, my school, which is kind of funny, because I used to invite, and I actually spoke with a seal a long time ago. Me and a seal, I was active CIA, they let me go, just talk about national security stuff. It's great, we got super waste that afterwards.

It's really fun. I'll give you the day of after. He's a fun guy. He was a couple years ahead of me. They don't invite me to anymore, but anyway, in high school, because I'm a right-wing extremist, as you may know. I'm a right-wing extremist,

according to media definitions now, and all the rest of it. So in my high school, though, I went to a place in New York City called Regis, which is a remarkable institution. Usually people, you know, no one cares about anyone's high school, right? I think this place is interesting just because it's, it was the closest thing to a meritocracy that I ever experienced in education because it's a free school, it's a scholarship school,

you go for free. And it's like a hundred thousand dollar scholarship. I mean, it's a private school where there's no tuition because everyone in the alumni network basically donates. And it's funded that way. There's an original grant from a wealthy family a hundred years ago, give or take, and we're more than that now, and people funded. So it's a scholarship school, and it was an intense place.

And I wouldn't even say I enjoyed it, but it was a good place for me to be. They invited me though to give a talk on the fly and just about to the seniors about how to get jobs. And I remember, and I didn't prepare anything, I just sort of stood in front of them, I was like, so all of you guys, your school is top 10 nationally for average SAT.

You all were valedictorians of your grade schools before you came here. You're all going off to, you know, elite colleges. And I was like, nobody really cares, just so you know. Yeah, maybe you'll go to a really good grad school after this. You'll be able to play the system, but I was like, for a lot of you guys, every job you're gonna want, you're competing against 50, 500, other people with 4.0 grade average.

It went to a great school. And then when you add into this, you know, diversity and inclusion and affirmative action and legacy stuff and, you know, whose uncle is the senior vice president for whatever, I mean, when you add all these things in, it's trench warfare out there, man. You just gotta figure out what you can do.

So I think that changes the calculation for a lot of people on the, it certainly changed my calculation. I mean, I know plenty of people with MBAs who shouldn't have gotten MBAs. Do you think the AI stuff is gonna, is gonna alter universities and do you think people are gonna start,

I mean, it seems like AI is going to make a lot of occupations completely irrelevant. They're already saying attorneys are gonna become irrelevant, architects are gonna become irrelevant. A lot of medical professions are gonna become irrelevant, media might become irrelevant. Oh, it's not that crazy. I hope it does.

We are essential. We are the ultimate essential workers. You know what I'm saying. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.

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Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. We've been dealing with this point with fake news and propaganda that while different in the delivery system is generally rooted in the messaging and the approach with AI, you can actually have the fabrication of fact. Right? Meaning it's visually indistinguishable between the real video of Congress and so and so, taking the bribe and, you know, we're entering that era,

where the ability to understand truth versus falsehood and the ability to understand what real disinformation is and to discern those things, I think is incredibly important. And I'm not even sure, I think we're gonna have to evolve along with it because, I mean, it was just a few years ago, people were like, well, I think that's a deep fake, and everyone's like, I know deep fake, whatever.

No, now there actually will be deep fakes. This will be your thing. And even if it's not genuine as a deep fake, being able to say it, I mean, look what they did with the, again, the 100-buying laptop. Bears all the hallmarks of. So you can say, well, I don't know if this video is fake when it's real, but it bears all the hallmarks

of AI-generated content. And that's all that it takes for a lot of people to say, you know what, I don't believe, I don't believe it's real. So we're heading into a realm of unreality that I think very few people are prepared for and how this affects the university system are prepared for and how this affects the university system. Look, most college, most college education at this point is a four-year period

of, you know, for a lot of people socializing, maybe drinking and partying and doing the bare minimum and having the most fun they can with the idea that they'll get serious about life afterwards. Not true about everyone but true of most people at most schools. And increasingly, I think there's an understanding that the skills you get from these schools, because the humanities have been so polluted with Marxist nonsense and deconstruction of literature instead of actually reading it and understanding it, you know

Shakespeare didn't know anything the professor that's telling you what Shakespeare should have said or why Shakespeare is a misogynist, you know white supremacist radical whatever, right? That's what you're, you know being taught in a lot of these places now just utter nonsense So I think the whole university system is, I mean, these are hedge funds that are operating classes now. That's what Harvard is. It's a hedge fund that has classes. And there's so many ways to get in that when someone tells me they went to a school and I'm supposed to think they're,

I'm supposed to think that's impressive. I do not. I don't care. I don't know. It could be brilliant people go to these schools, brilliant people go to MIT and Harvard and whatever more arms go to them as well That's a fact. Well, I guess when I'm asking Buck is do you think this could be a turning point because I feel like in the last couple years we're hitting a turning point where

parents are taking control of Their kids education again. Yes, Like you said, COVID unveiled everything. We had a lot of bored people out there that started diving into what the hell is going on and uncovered all kinds of shit in every sector, right? Well, here in Williamson County, I brought this up on other shows, up more and more and more people

are yanking their kids out of both public and private schools and homeschooling. Then you bring up the AI stuff where the pay the pay the chat GPT is doing school for the students which makes school irrelevant. At this point, it's becoming completely irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant anymore seems to be the traits, because nobody knows how to do this shit anymore. So, and so, when you had said a lot of this deep state,

mark as Marxism, this kind of stuff comes from the educational system, you know, elementary school, high school, these kids are starting to be yanked out. Parent, a lot of people are leaving states where, where the stuff is really relevant in school and moving into, to red states. Then you have the say, I stuff with the universities, just like you were saying as well. Nobody gives a shit what school you want to anymore.

It doesn't matter. I don't look at it when I'm hiring. I can care less. I just want to work ethic. People that are proactive and know what the fuck they're doing. And so what I'm asking, do you think that might be a turning point? I hope it is a turning point. I think it is a turning point.

It's early. This is how I view it is a turning point. It's early. This is how I view it. Parents are getting involved in a way that we hadn't seen before at early stage education. And parents who I would consider traditionalists about education. It's not everything is in the right left paradigm or you know, conservative and liberal. I mean, it roughly approximates that, but people who are just saying, I don't want my kids being brainwashed

with garbage nonsense, like the gender ideology stuff, which is the huge fight right now. Gender ideology, the Florida bill was about third graders in below. Who needs to teach gender ideology to a first grader? Like what about us? Anyway, we've got a lot ofer? Like what about, anyway?

That's what I'm getting at now. It's that's why people are pulling out of elementary schools and then the AI stuff is, I'm talking about the university size. Because I think it can come as a whole. So the elementary school story, I think overall in this country is the momentum and the trajectories positive one. So that's something, that's where we get into the hopeful side of things because parents realize,

you know, people listening to this right now, run for school board, you can do it and have an influence on what a whole lot of kids are learning. People ask, how do I get involved? And it's just understanding that process too, I think can be really interesting for people. So that's, so yes, are we gonna drink point? Yes, COVID was a big part of it.

People are getting more involved, understanding what their kids are being. Because if your kids get brainwashed from kindergarten up through university, I mean, good luck. You know what I mean? There are your kids. You're gonna stay with them forever, do whatever you can for them, but in terms of making them see the world right side up. Good luck. So, getting involved in younger. On the university side, yeah, I think if you could short American

universities in the stock market, you probably should, because one, the... So, what they'll say about AI and all that stuff is for any place that wants to be elite, the way around that, to be in the cognitive elite, to be intellectually impressive, the way around that is, you have to have in-person proctored testing, only, and things like that, right? There are some ways, I think, for homework, like, good luck with homework, you're in a different realm now. You're going to send kids home with a word problem. Guess what?

The word problem can be done by JGPT, right? How many cups of water do we need before we fill the pale kind of a thing? That's not hard. But there's another issue here, and that is that universities no longer... they're coasting on the reputation of elitism, and they're coasting on the reputation even in the non-elite schools of the value of the four-year degree. And both of those things.

The top schools and the value of the four-year degree are crashing, for people who are really paying attention and know what's going on. A part of it, you see with the elimination in more and more places at some of the most elite schools of objective metrics for admission. And this is trying to get ahead of a Supreme Court decision that will come out within the next six weeks or so. That's going to, I believe,

declare affirmative action in a state schools on constitutional. So I think that's going to happen. So I'm making a prediction on your show. It'll be a five, four decision most likely, but maybe six, three. But it's going to be declared on constitutional. So I think that's interesting.

So they're getting rid of objective metrics anyway. But the purpose of the university has become, as they've become completely taken over by the left, they're a credentialing system and they're still able to both indoctrinate and then deploy the foot soldiers of the left, right? So Harvard or Yale or wherever they get. I went to Amherst not as fancy, but you know, it's okay. They take these people, they make sure they believe certain things. They take people who believe them also in the admissions process to try to weed out, you know, anyone who's like, I love America, the Constitution, not a lot. And then they give them on tray into Goldman Sachs,

McKinsey, the whole thing. And people wonder, hold on a second, how did it work? Why does Bud Light have the Trans Influencer campaign? Or why is Nike siding with the guy who's kneeling at the games or all this stuff? How does this happen? They have created factories of left-wing activism that are tax-advantaged, that have billions and billions of dollars to spend in a whole variety of ways. And then they send these kids off, now young adults, and they know what they're supposed to do and that's what they're doing. I mean, do you think these companies even care? I mean, what, how much, didn't Bud Light just lose like 55?

Was it 55 million? I didn't bud like, just lose like 55, was a 55 million. I can't remember the exact number. So somebody can fact check me and put it in the comments, but they lost a ton of money. Their sales are down as we speak, like 30% roughly, which is big money for them. And it's hitting their, so this is, this is complex, look, it's a win for the right

because up to this point, the belief had been and this was a really powerful thing. The left will boycott, the right will just suffer in silence. It's always been the belief in corporate America. It's been the belief as long as you and I have been alive, Sean, that if you do something that upsets the lips, they will mobilize,

they'll be outside your corporate headquarters, they'll call your sponsors, whatever. And on the right, we go, I just want to buy a hammer. You know what I mean? Like, I just want to buy a t-shirt. I don't really care. That doesn't work anymore. And this goes to a concept that actually makes me positive or makes me optimistic from

one of our optimism about the end of the neutral space as a concept. When everything is politicized, talking about a neutral space just means you're sitting territory to the other side because it's already happening. There is no neutral space here. So, when you see a with Bud Light, it's a win because now they have to pay attention. Oh, we can't just do this. But people will also probably point out in the comments or whatever that they have a lot of brands.

It's a global company. I think the weather, the storm, they could probably shut down. Bud Light has an independent brand if they wanted to for a period of time. And then the company would still function. Remember, it's in Bev, the Brazilian company bought in Heiserbush, and so it's a global brand. They own like Stellar, Twah, and they own, you know, dozens, and I can't even begin to name all the things they own. So it hurts them. It doesn't hurt them badly enough. Probably not.

That's, again, I see the positive and things, but I also want to always be honest with the facts. I mean, it worries me because it's just encompassing everything. It's encompassing sports. It's an alcohol. It's entertainment. It's media. It's news. It's department stores.

You can do a target lately? Yeah. We haven't. We quit going. Well, I mean, it's funny actually. My wife is a go to a target lately? Yeah, we haven't. We're going. Well, I mean, it's funny actually, my wife is a one of those target, but she loves it. But I was thinking of the target out in San Francisco

that's all in her Plexiglass, which is the whole another talk we can have about where crime has gone to this country. They've got all the products. Every product is locked down. But no, I think corporate, corporate wokeness, we have on our side become aware of what's really happening and started to do more about it, which is a

positive thing. But we're just at the very beginning of the process of really understanding this. I mean, I, I, this is something, I mean, I think it was maybe June of 2020. I went on a Twitter tear and I was just like, look, I got to tell, I'm paraphrasing myself here, but it was like 15 or 20 tweets and I was like, if we don't, if someone on the right doesn't just, who's a billionaire, doesn't just buy one of these media platforms and just decide that it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier of like free speech and truth like we are screwed. And Rush Limbaugh actually read the whole thing on

his show when Rush was doing his thing. And so it went viral at the time a little bit. It's funny because like no one even remembers it that I guess now, but Elon Musk then did come along and buy for, what was it, $40 some odd billion. And now we finally have a foothold. I bring it up just because there are a lot of people who can do a lot, whether it's on the, particularly on the corporate side, who they stand on the sidelines.

They, especially you have all these guys who have a mass, tremendous wealth. And they don't want to deploy it in ways that could help really save the country because they don't want to get weird looks at the golf course. What does that say about those individuals? And I mean, I like to say this pretty openly now. You know, Elon Musk was kind of a beloved inventor on both sides. He was doing amazing stuff with, with, you know, Starlink

and with SpaceX and Tesla. And now, oh, he's like public enemy number one because he wants there to be one social media platform that's free speech. But that's a guy who actually cares. How many other people are there out there who could hire people who have been first of all targeted by the woke mob, but just in general hire people who are conservatives, elevate people who support what is true and right and good in the country. I just think there needs to be a real mobilization of those who are in positions to do more. I think you're right. I don't know if it's gonna happen.

I mean, I'm an optimist. I think I said here. Yeah. I'm an optimist. Yeah. Let's move into the Epstein stuff that just dropped. Sure. Director of CIA, going to his townhome to have meetings.

What would they be meeting about? The, the Epstein story across the board is one where the conspiracy theorists, so to speak, keep on looking like the ones that see what's really going on, meaning that it just gets, you have to believe more and more coincidences, you have to believe more and more of the official line, even though that doesn't really seem credible. So the answer about the CIA guys, he had so many Bill Clinton. He wasn't the CIA director.

I think he was a deputy assistant secretary at state or something at the time. But now was the CIA director, which was getting so much attention. How did this guy, I can't even keep a list in my head of all of the super, you know, private movie screenings with Woody Allen, you know, had just had interactions with all these people as a matter of public record, we know this. How did he manage to ingratiate himself with all these individuals? And how is it that nobody stopped to think? We don't know, first of all,

some of them were hanging out them after he was already a sex criminal. Yeah. And that's a, by the way, you know, you have to remember, these are people for whom protecting their reputations generally is one of their most important, one of their most important considerations, right?

Your politician, your public figure, you're gonna hang out with a known sexual predator? You're gonna have no interest in funny. You're just gonna hang out with some guy who's in some $80 million mansion in Manhattan and owns a private island off the US Virgin Islands and owns a mansion in Palm Beach. You're gonna hang out with them.

Why? What is he gonna do for you? How did he get in Bill Gates spent a lot of time with them? You look at the figures. If you believe that there was like an Illuminati, you know, that there was a globalist elite that has similar aims and a similar view of humanity and is looking for total control. Those people, a lot of them, were in the Epstein orbit.

I've never heard a good explanation for how that all came together. And I would, there are some questions that I have about the Epstein thing that I'll put out there that I think are. So, and I've heard from, you know, again, these are people without attribution. I've heard people who have made very specific allegation, and these are very connected, very powerful people, like names that everybody,

every single person watching this, who listen to this would know, have made very specific allegations about Epstein, but they lack the proof. They lack the proof and they're not going to put themselves in a position, not about Epstein, but about the other. Mm-hmm. The people involved. So how is it that we all understand

that Epstein's operating a, we still don't know where his money really came from. They say it was consulting or something, but that's not credible, right? We know that he was effectively given a house, I think, by what is it, the founder of the ... I can't remember the guy's name, but by a billionaire, but we still don't know where the money came from, which is not that hard. You know what I mean? Forensic accounting, FBI has great at that.

Where did the money come from? This guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars, Sean. You know what the first thing that this came out? People said, oh, he was a stock market trader. I had no hedge fund guys. Has anyone ever heard of this guy? No. You can't, you can't make,

you're not making $600 million to dollars, $800 million on Wall Street. No one's ever heard of this guy? No. You can't. You can't make. You're not making $600 million to dollars, $800 million on Wall Street. No one's ever heard of you before. This is crazy, right? Didn't make his money that way. So they don't really know where his money came from, which is a huge red flag in and of itself. And then there's the, well, what was he doing?

He's running, we believe, right? A blackmail, a surveillance and black male operation, which likely involved, from everything we can see, putting very powerful, very wealthy men in situations where they were engaged in sexual activity with underage, girls, right? That, I believe. Am I, am I, I'm point with this so far? Like that, right? Yeah.

That is what the general belief is about what he was doing. How is it that we are sitting here now after he, I don't know where you're going to say he committed suicide in the prison where no one had ever been able to commit suicide before. After Gile and Maxwell has also gone off to prison and we'd learn nothing from her trial. Showing nothing. She's just going away for 20 years.

You know, we're not here to worry about it, bro. Okay. Not a single person. Not a single person that I can think of how we've been told is the actual target of this blackmail with the exception of that British royal guy and, you know, what I print to Andrew, right? And even it seems that what was Epstein targeting him specifically and how did that all work out? Point being, how do you have a massive multi, at least multi-year,

I mean, multi-decade blackmail operation with no targets. No one ever has this answer for me. How do you have a blackmail operation where nobody was being blackmailed? One where you made hundreds of millions of dollars. And I think the answer is, you know, there are people who have been able to adjust the system to their liking in a way that certain facts

have not come to light. I'll give you a couple of other things, well, another thoughts on this. Because also, you know, it's difficult because I think there probably are people who did lunch with Epstein and they didn't know, right? I think that's a thing. I think that's pretty clear at this point.

But I also think there are people who did know. Well, I mean, you have all these billionaires that are going to take away the island. You have all these billionaires going to New York, standing in his town home with them. Did, when I travel somewhere, I don't stay at their house, especially if it's for business.

I get a nice hotel and I'm not a billionaire. I don't know, any billionaires that stay at, do you? No, I mean, it's very out of. He clearly had an MO here where he wanted people to be, he wanted to sort of bring them into the web and it is surprising that you would, I shouldn't say surprising. There are people whom I think the public would

be surprised or have been surprised to find out weren't more on guard about the whole thing, or weren't more aware. And when you start to think that through you guy, well, is it that they didn't know or is that they just pretended not to know? And that's that's where things start to get dialed in a little bit more. But I will tell you a couple of data points that also go in the, there is no, so I think we can all agree, we don't really know where his money came from and it's massive wealth, hundreds of millions of dollars. Okay. That's very strange.

We should know where all this money came in when it's all being done electronically, it should all be trackable. Oh, Swiss bankers. There's those things. Swiss banking secrets anymore. Give me your break. There'd be ways to figure this out. Someone doesn't want to know.

Beyond that. Where's the black list, the target list, the black book, whatever, where is the target set that he was blackmailing? If we all think he was blackmailing. Who was there? We haven't told that. Then, if you go back to the earliest phase of the Epstein saga, he was given a plea deal. That was so, I mean, I'm a rye, I asked my friend, Andy McCarthy, who was a Southern District of New York prosecutor. He probably see him on Fox. Great guy, like brilliant dude.

I asked him about this specifically, this notion. And so he confirmed it for me. They, they gave Epstein a plea deal that excused his underage sex trafficking beyond a six month, you know, basically home confinement. I mean, it was a joke. It was like no sentence at all. And this was federal. But they also gave him a unind- that the plea deal covered him and unnamed possible co-conspirators. I asked Andy, has this, you were the Southern District of New York for like 23 years. Have you ever even heard of that before? A plea deal that gives immunity beyond the individual to unnamed individuals?

He says no, that's, that's, he told me, he says that's not a thing. So you got a guy who is trafficking sexually underage girls. You got him nailed, dead to rights. And you give him the biggest sweetheart deal as a prosecutor, anybody could ever imagine, the point where, it's not even done in prosecutorial circles. Like this is, is it even attacked?

Why would you ever do that? There's no basis for this in law. And remember there was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor in Florida at the time, this came up during the Trump administration, he had to go, because people were really upset about this when they figured out how the Epstein thing was initially,

because there was all this focus on the Epstein trial, they said, wait, what happened back in, you know, whatever it was, the early on the Epstein trial, they said, wait, what happened back in, whatever it was, the early mid 2000s, when this first came up. So there's no explanation of that whatsoever, other than, and you've heard, I'm sure the quote, we think he belongs to intelligence,

and there's been this other stuff out there. And then I'll just add one more fact to it to this. And I wish I had to like, here's who he was working for, here's who he was targeting, I don't have it yet, because I'm just a guy and I'm reading what I read in the news, and I'm trying to use the sources that I have. They're a very powerful force,

it's trying to stop us from knowing this. You know, Sean, when the FBI actually did a, I don't remember the year, but it was recent in the last few years, they did a raid on his home. And this was in the FBI, in the year, but it was recent in the last few years. They did a raid on his home. And this was in the FBI in the logs. I mean, you can actually check this one. They did a raid on his home and they came upon tapes. Okay. They came upon what we would assume would be surveillance footage.

And we know we had the whole house miked up, cambered up the whole thing, right? Including the rooms that were specifically meant for, you know, illicit activity. You know the FBI agent on the commanding, you know, whatever is agent running the scene, reach out to Epstein's lawyers and let Epstein lawyers come and decide

what was privileged and what was able to be taken. Let them sort it out. Are you serious? Yep. Yep. It's funny to me that you have friends inside the FBI that get upset with you for talking shit about the FBI and then we're talking about this right fucking now. You know, they... That's why nobody fucking believes you. FBI has gone into a

very as an institution, gone into a very bad place for a number of reasons with the politicization, but on the Epstein thing, I mean you think about the ferocity with which they went after Roger Stone for basically making a joke on Twitter, DM. They go and they arrest this senior citizen in his silk pajamas with like 26 guys in tack gear and make a real show of it. And then you see what the federal law enforcement apparatus did for years and years and years to Jeffrey Epstein. You wonder, what are the priorities here? You know, they look, they go after Roger Stone for nothing like it's

the bin Laden rate. And they call CNN to watch it to humiliate him and put it on air. And we all know they did it. And the Epstein thing, no one has ever, by the way, all these things are fun with you. I've never heard an explanation of this that didn't involve, I don't know, that's really bad. So what does that tell you? You know, I hate when people say, this goes all the way to the top.

The Epstein thing goes really high. I don't know where it stops, but this is not the way the system tells us that it works. And you're being asked to believe a lot when you're asked to believe the official narrative of what's really happened there. You just involved with so many people. I mean, the Virgin Islands are subpoenaing,

Larry Page at Google, and JP Morgan for their ties with Epstein and human trafficking as of May 4, 2023 Federal judge ruled the JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank can be held physically liable for allowing Epstein to maintain his network of underage girls for sexual abuse actively enabling him to continue his crimes. Do you think anything's gonna happen with that? This is where I go into the, I would love to believe that the system wants... Will the right thing? ...wants justice and will do the right... Yeah, except to see this is what I mean, you know, you want it, you want to believe it. It's just party that wants to think the good guys, the cavalry's gonna arrive.

Cavalry didn't arrive in time for all those young girls. Cavalry didn't show up to deal with that, you know, piece of trash when it would have really counted and done something. And I think it's very hard for people to see all of these, all these moments where there was, at best, this failure and not feel like there's something else that is at work with all of it. I just think that there's no good explanations for how these things happen that don't involve. There is such a thing as a conspiracy. And some conspiracies are real.

And with Epstein, I think we've seen the very kind of situation where incredibly powerful people will go to extreme lengths. I mean, there are a few things that no matter how powerful and rich you are, will destroy you, you know, in the public eye and legally as fast as doing illegal acts with underage girls. So what are the very powerful people who Epstein was targeting? We assume there were people who he was targeting. What are they not willing to do or what lengths, what levers are they not willing to pull

in order to make this sort of thing go away? I just think, I mean, they're having sex with underage, when, you know, I mean, that doesn't get anymore something. So that's when you see, you know, and they remember the Epstein case really, I think it was the Miami Herald wrote about it again in 2019. It had sort of faded. People weren't really talking about it for a long time. And then finally there was this outrage about it. And there was a focus on it. But there's, it's just it's just really disconcerting at the deepest level to see that this is a guy that should have been put away

for, you know, look man, I don't like to do the thing where we compare this thing to that thing or you know, what about us? You had people on January 6th who didn't hit anyone, didn't break anything, didn't threaten anyone. And they were locked up like animals for 18 months in solitary confinement in a DC jail that was practically a gulag because they had the wrong politics and they were the wrong place the wrong time. Jeffrey Epstein was trapping an underage girls. And the system gave him a six month, like home confinement, go into a county jail

for a couple of days, a week thing, and just, you know, made most of it go away. And then he kept doing it. That's the system. So you sit there and you say, is it a justice system? Doesn't feel like it to some people. Speaking of, I mean, all these people

have something dangling on their head. One thing I forgot to ask you about the Twitter files is we heard from Musk time and time and time again about Fauci, and when they drop the Fauci files, and now that's gone. That's not going to happen. In fact, even said, we need to move away from the Twitter files. Why do you think the Fauci stuff never came out and probably never will come out? Fouchi is protected because he was the point man for really the biggest government fraud and abuse of our lifetime.

So, and he understood, so he Fouchi is a political animal. He was the, before he retired, the most highly paid employee in the entire federal government, which is a remarkable one. You know, I know federal government is big. There's a lot of people in the entire federal government, which is a remarkable thing. I know federal government is big. There's a lot of people in the federal government. Highest paid federal government employee had lasted in his role for decades and decades. He decided that the way, one, I think that he became a true meglamaniac.

I think that he was overcome with narcissism and that at his stage in life, he became a true megalomaniac. I think that he was overcome with narcissism and that at his stage in life, he became this figure who was elevated by some really sad, but millions of them, sad leftists into being almost like a deity. I think he started to believe it himself a little bit. I think that he disconnected from obvious reality and started to think that hero worship was rooted in the fact that he really was somebody who should be worshiped.

And he also was critical to the Democrat plan of on-seeding Donald Trump and taking over the White House and taking power. He mobilized as a political operative for them. So they vary, I mean, up to this point, he has been, you know, the scene of the departed, where he's like, that's a guy you can't touch, you know? He's a made guy, you can't touch him. He was a made guy.

Fauci was someone that you couldn't get, couldn't get any kind of a political head on. And I mean, I think what he did is evil. I don't think that it was beyond his knowledge that he was advocating for policies that were destructive economically, psychologically abusive. I think a lot of people died of drug overdoses, and I think a lot of people drank themselves to death. I think a lot of marriages were ruined. I think a lot of children were abused because Fauci was a coward who told

Democrats who are hysterical what they wanted to hear, which was if you just listen to me, you'll be safe and you're a good person. That was, there was a moral element to this too, you have to remember. Even remember if you got COVID, there was a period of time where people would say, this too, we have to remember. Even remember if you got COVID, there was a period of time where people would say, how'd you get it? As if it's like, what do you mean? Breathing air, being around human beings.

That was a part of the madness. Why didn't Elon or why hasn't the Fauci files really come out of it? I'll say one thing, my guess is that Fauci is, he understands he's subject to FOIA. So my sense is that he's probably not super sloppy with what he would put down in the first place. That's on the finding the most positive interpretation of it possible.

I think it's also, and this is a bigger piece of it, Elon's taken a lot with what he's doing with Twitter and is getting immense pressure. This is like a break in the dam of the collectivist Democrat control. I mean, this is, you finally have, and we can't even begin to, I think, understand how much personal and professional pressure he comes under as a result of this.

And I think maybe he just decided that this isn't necessarily, either it just wasn't that interesting, which is possible. Maybe they didn't have anything that good on Fauci specifically. I mean, I think we already, because I think we already kind of know, or he just decided that to keep Twitter alive, not gonna go full on how she think. So those are, that's my assessment.

I know people can pick and choose what they think is right or wrong about that. That's how I see it. Yeah, and I would love to see it. I mean, I would love to see it. I think I was probably, I think I despised Fauci more and sooner than almost anyone else that I know

in the entirety of American media because I saw exactly who this guy was. All I had to know was the flip on the mask issue. Goes from, it's not a big deal, it doesn't really work very well. Don't waste your time too. This is essential if you don't do it your bad person. It was in lockstep with the psychology

and the political needs of the Democrat left. That's all it was. He became a front man. He was propaganda in a lab coat. He was a tiny little tyrant doing what the collective apparatus wanted to. And we all suffer as a result of it. And I think he's truly shameful.

I think what he did is monstrous. And I think the people who went along with it have a lot of soul searching to do. And they were hateful. And their conduct was shameful. And the forced vaccine mandates was a disgrace. And the mask mandates on planes and restaurants was appalling and pointless, by the way.

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Let's talk about Title 42, because that's coming up real quick. What's that until? So Title 42 is a pandemic authority of the CDC that allowed them to turn away single adult male migrants under the general idea that we got a pandemic, we can't just let people into the country because you know, pandemic is spread by people and we have to control our borders. I think that's the the short version of it. What what we're going to see here is

that one of the only tools that they had to turn away Single adult male migrants quickly rapidly effectively is gonna go and So it's not like there haven't been a lot of people illegally entering the country over the last Couple of years it's been the worst the numbers have ever been. I mean you're looking at Oh gosh 5.5 million I think and the thing about the border that is such a challenge. So there's understanding the scope of the problem, and then there's understanding the specifics of what's going wrong, right?

So there's the, at the 30,000 foot level, we have an open border that is allowing for the mass violation of our sovereignty, fentanyl trafficking that is killing roughly 100,000 Americans a year, opioids, fentanyl heroin, some other drugs too. Human trafficking, including trafficking of children into slavery and all of this is going on, we have a massive problem in the border. So we understand that. Now we get into the why or how is it actually happening.

There are a lot of open holes in the border that, well, literally in terms of not having fencing or a wall, but also in terms of policy. And the biggest one has been, and I've spent time with Border Patrol. I still haven't contact with some great folks on Border Patrol. I run this stuff through them. And I'm fortunate with my radio show, I can basically ask for any policy official I want, not working for the Biden administration, but premium, they'll come on right away. So a lot of access to expertise on the issue of the border, which has made me learn a lot.

And the asylum issue is just, that's the biggest single scam that is running right now. And I think it's important, if people understood what's really going on, then they would be able to better argue with the machinery of illegal immigration as it happens in the country today and the enormous political implications. And honestly, the enormous political implications. And honestly, nation-state implications for us. So, I mean, the one thing that I think everyone needs to understand is that the whole system now is being abused

so that people are entering the country with no belief that they're ever going to have to leave. Now, how does that happen? They step into the country illegally. That's the first thing is the illegal entry. Right, so they show up, and I've seen this. I mean, I've been with Border Patrol while this has happened. And they'll surrender.

Meaning, you'll see a group of 50, 100 migrants, a wave down Border Patrol. People think of this as like, oh my gosh, the cartels, the drug runners and all that. No, no, no, no, that's happening too. But vast majority of, you know, 80, 90% of what you're really seeing in terms of the aggregate numbers are people who are showing up, who find a way to enter illegally, which is to mean it is illegal to be in the mix inside of the border, walk in the American side. That act is a violation of American sovereignty. That act is actually against the law, which I think people have to be reminded about because

this is being treated like it's not a crime. It's just like it is on the reverse. Yeah, of course. You can't just... Every country in the world has this. I mean, I think that's important when you point out there too. Every country in the world is allowed to say, these are our borders.

We're not allowed to do that in Mexico. Right, we're not allowed to just go into Mexico. We're not allowed to do that to go to Canada. No, oh no, oh no. We, every country in the world is allowed to have at least try to have border integrity except us. And we are racist, by the way, as a country for wanting to have secure borders. That's the primary argument in a highly diverse, multi-ethnic, multi-national, multi-religious

country like America, just to try to say, hey, can we have control over who's coming into the country? A million people a year illegally enter America and stay in America, get green cards, citizenship, whatever, a million a year. This is just saying, hey, can we deal with the illegal entry? And if you bring it up, the first thing I say is that you're racist.

Now that's always interesting because, okay, racist against whom? And I'll say, oh, you're racist. Now that's always interesting because, okay, racist against whom? And I'll say, oh, you're racist against Hispanic people. I said, that's interesting. There are about 160 different countries that have had people enter the US illegally in the last year. Thailand, West Africa, Peru, Azerbaijan.

Think of a country basically, and people have tried to enter illegally from there. So this notion that, oh, you just don't want people from this one country or that one country to come here, is a lie, but it's a very powerful lie. The media tells everybody, and that makes a lot of people scared to understand this issue honestly, and to understand what's really going on.

So they enter illegally, and then they go through this process, and remember this is happening millions of times over. They say, I have a credible fear. And some of them even have little sheets of paper that have told them what to say. They've found this in the order too. They also have wristbands, as you know. I'm sure if you've talked to other people about the cartel situation, They have wristbands to show which cartel they paid off to get there. And you see these piles of wristbands. So this is now some are estimating that they make more

money from the human trafficking than the drugs mugging across the border. Depends on who's, you know, they're not keeping receipts, right? But it depends on whose numbers you ask. It's a it's a multi-billion dollar thing that's going on here right now. And the Mexican government's basically doing nothing to stop it as we know. And the Mexican government is effectively owned by the cartels anyway. So they then go into the process of saying, well, I'm seeking asylum.

And just take New York City, the case study that I know the best. New York City now, the process to get your asylum claim heard is gonna take basically a decade. What's gonna happen between now and a decade from now when that person may or may not even show up for their asylum hearing, there'll be a low priority for deportation, they will not, you know,

so meaning unless they commit a heinous crime, even then, they'll be libs who are like, oh, like, everyone should get a second chance. But they don't show up for the hearing. They have to go find the person. Then they get a, they get their day in court before they sign them, judge. And then there's a separate, and I, you know, some of this has, they're all through this and changes they go in the process. But there's also a separate component of it, which is the deportation hearing.

So the point here is that with the system as it exists today, if someone shows up at our border and says, I have a credible fear of persecution in my country. And they pass that credible fear test, which is the most perfunctory nonsense you can imagine, to the point where the cartels are training people in all these different languages to say this,

or to say it in English, obviously, but training people who speak different languages. They're then gaming the whole system. They're gonna have kids here, they're gonna get married here, they're gonna work here, what are the Democrats gonna say in 10 years? They're gonna say this person's, this person's an American now.

Now, you can argue that someone could say to me, that you know what, that's what we want. That is not what the Democrats are saying. They say they have legal status. They say they are going through a process. And if they fail in that process, they will be deported. That is a lie. They are delaying law enforcement in action to nullify our immigration laws. They're doing this on massive scale and they're doing this to create the biggest violation of American sovereignty and rule of law. You could imagine right now at the southern border. So that's the primary

scam that is that is underway and it skips the legal immigration line. It makes people that went through years of applications and you know paying lawyers and everything to do it the legal way, the right way makes them feel like I could or just walk across the border. And you have to remember that in the background of all this is mass amnesty, which is the ultimate plan. That was the plan of the Obama administration. If Biden wins a second term,

it will be the primary focus of the Democrats. If they can find a way to push it through shoehorned through by changing the filibuster they will and they'll do it on this issue. Why? So this expires or coming up it might be it might be expired by the time this actually comes out but I got another question for you. So the border has been pretty much wide open the entire the entire time Biden's been in office, right? Now this is going to expire. And I just saw that now they're sending, what, 1500 national guard troops down to the border

to, for what? Why all of a sudden? What's the play? Optics. The play is to make it seem like the Biden administration going into the election cycle cares about the problem. There is how the Biden White House governs and there's how the Biden White House campaigns. And this is a much broader issue even than the border, but Biden is going to run as somebody

who wants to fix the border. He's going to run as somebody who wants border security. He's going to run as somebody who wants law and order on the streets of American cities. All of this is a complete slap in the face to anyone who's been awake for the last two plus years, three years. But that's the way they're gonna do it. That's the game plan. This is a head fake.

Sending National Guard of the Border is a head fake that is meant to look like they're doing something to make the border better, more secure, whatever it may be. The reality of National, I've been at the border with National Guard guys there. See exactly what they do. They don't secure anything.

They are processing. They are helping to process arrivals. They are handing out bottles of water and just a presence there doing admin effectively. They're not chasing cartel guys. They're not making a rass. They're not turning people back. None of that.

So the popular conception of, let's just send the military to the border, military under the current regime, there's no authority to do anything in the border. The authority is to welcome the illegals and hand out bottles of water, that's the authority. So they're just sending them down there for a show to try to convert more voters.

Yeah, to make it seem like they're doing something. The big challenge, the other big challenge you have. How many people do you think you're gonna fall for that to try to convert more voters. Yeah, to make it seem like they're doing something. The big challenge, the other big challenge you have, how many people do you think you're gonna fall for that because this has been going on since he got elected? How many independence, and this is a depressing thought, but it's whenever it needs to remember, how many independence did they have to sway

based on the official numbers in 2020, for Biden to win. You're talking about less than 100,000 people across a handful of states. So they're not always playing to how many independence do you think they did sway? Oh, God. That's a really good question. Depends on where you're asking me. I mean, look, I think that the rigged the system using COVID as an excuse to change election laws in ways that are violate state law in places like Pennsylvania.

I think that there was a refusal of some of the individuals in the judiciary to take on cases to look at, you know, if people are voting in Georgia in the wrong county, honest mistake, okay, fine, but those votes aren't supposed to count. And when you're talking about losing by what, 14,000 votes, the rules of the rules, right? Didn't want to look at that. There are places where there were clear failures of the system, but I think that when you look at the reality of the data now on independent voters not just in 2020 but in 2022, the Republicans have a problem. We do have a problem. We have a problem with Republicans who won't vote for certain Republicans, right? That's real.

People can say, oh, but you know, get all angry about it. It's just what happened. And I think the data reflects that. So I think that's, I mean, I think that's a huge problem. And then yes, I mean, in my personal opinion, that could be fixed. Yeah. If you pissed off the entire fucking independent voting population than you did something wrong.

Yeah. Would you agree with that? Mm-hmm. Look, there are people who have been very emotionally invested even on the right, in certain narratives of what has happened in our recent elections and what the party has become and who should lead it and I just sit here trying to think of how do we win so we can do the best we can to fix the country as much as we can while we can and

That's not about allegiance to one individual. It's not about allegiance to the party overall. It's just looking at what is happening and trying to do the best under the circumstances that we can. And I think that with 2022, we lost the Senate. We should have won the Senate. And then we lost the Senate because of some of the candidates being weak and also being overly focused on what happened in 2020. And people say, oh, and they get very mad about this. And I say to them, and these are my people get very mad about it. And these are my,

you know, friends and colleagues and some of my listeners, I say, we have to be able to have, and we have to be honest with each other about how we win. What needs to happen to win or else we just keep losing and become kind of victims of the system and just blaming, oh, but there were some Senate candidates in 2022 who were bad candidates and took the wrong approach. We should learn from that instead of saying, oh, but something else know, something else, rare Republicans, I don't like them, they didn't do the right thing, or, you know, if people just get very angry about it,

look, I got angry about it, I, you were with me on election night, I mean, election night was like a mule kick to the face in 2022, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Yeah. You've got to be, I mean, look, even Rod DeSantis had a huge win in Florida, and then other than that, I was like, around,

I was like, every close race, every close important race we lost, basically. We won some good seed, but those are pleading out. We thought we were gonna win Ohio governorship, like Ohio Sanitia, rather. We thought we were gonna win some good stuff, but in the close ones did not work out. And I just, I mean, I'm tired of losing.

That's kind of, that's my tip. I'm tired of losing. That's kind of my attitude. I'm tired of losing. And we do need independence. And we do need independence. Not to agree with us on everything, but to agree with us enough in enough places that we don't have lunatics running the party. Last thing I want to talk about is Ukraine

and the money laundering. I hear all about the money laundering in Ukraine. I don't hear a lot about how it's being laundered. And that's maybe that's because I'm not looking into it enough. I don't know, but I'm hoping you can explain to me how the money is being laundered in Ukraine. You know, this is when I wish I had some of the old access, right? So I could actually start to see who's saying what to whom over there, among the oligarchs,

and where the money's going. And it's such a difficult question because you're asking, where does it go within the system when it goes into a system who that exists first and foremost to hide what's going on, right, in a lot of ways. When a system is built to evade accountability and to evade transparency from thousands of miles away,

how are you going to have a real view into what's happening? We know there's no accountability for the official dollars that are going into Ukraine. We also know there's a lot of stuff that's going into Ukraine that's not official, and a lot of resources and personnel and whatever. Do you have any specifics? No, I'm not, I will always tell you what I know,

but I don't know, I'm not as plugged into Ukraine as I could be or I think I should be if I chased in more. To be honest with you, I've been, I care about our border more than I care about Ukraine's borders. That's been a little bit of my philosophy. And so I focus more on what's happening here with that issue, just to, and then I, you know, also the criminal justice issue in cities and what's happening in blue states. That's much more my focus on the on Ukraine.

I just don't want us getting drawn and do another war. I mean, that's my, you know, whether they're spending all this money, they shouldn't be spending all this money. We have, I think we're on the precipice of a major recession in this country right now. Maybe bring the dollars home, it seems pretty obvious, but I'll be honest, I don't know anyone. I hear people talking of the money laundering too. I hear people talking about all the,

we know Ukraine is super corrupt. We know they've gotten $120 billion or something of USAID, military aid, cash, infusions, everything. Where does it all go? I don't think that the people that are supposed to know where it goes in the government even really know. So it's very difficult for us to have a better sense of where those cash flows are going.

I mean, obviously a lot of it is going to artillery shells and the conflict, but they're siphoning it off to the side. Think about it this way, right? I always like to try to do, if I'm switching around sitting on the other side of the chess board or just sitting in place of somebody who is playing their own chess game, like I'll take their chair for a second. If you're a senior figure in the Ukrainian government right now, given what's going on with Russia, and you're in a country where everybody's been feathering their nests with

whatever dollars they can siphoning from the treasury, siphoning from corporate interests that are paying you off. Pure old school corruption. You're telling me you're not going to make sure you're siphoning away some money and getting away from the exit right now. I'm with you. That's what I think is going on. You let's government right now.

So I think that's happening. I just put like where and the mechanics of it. The motivation you and I can agree is there. And so the reality is almost certainly there, but the specifics of how they're doing it. I mean, I wish I could know. And I just also feel like, I wish they would just tell everybody, we're in for a few trillion dollars on this one,

because that's what it actually is. I'm not saying it's a few trillion spent already, but I'm saying the way this conflict is going, the duration of the conflict as it's likely to play out, you're looking at a futile and dollars. And that's the best case scenario of, we don't get somehow dragged into this thing, and it goes, you know, thermonuclear, I mean, which is everyone's, well,

I mean, should be everyone's worst nightmare. Do you think we're heading into World War III? Man. Should be everyone's worst nightmare. Do you think we're heading into World War III? Oh, man. I think that the chance of a direct escalation of Russia is probably 10 to 20 percent, and that's enough that I think people should be really worried about it. So I think it's unlikely but realistic and when it's realistic and it involves something that's that significant and dangerous, people should be much more cognizant of the mission creep toward this and the way that this could go bad in a hurry. And they just, before you and I talk,

they're talking about, oh, there was an attempt on Putin's life with drones. Like, whoa, hmm. You gotta remember, you know this, right? You know this in the agency side, because we get a, when you work in the world of, you know, trade craft and espionage and all that stuff, you have a sense for how,

what a bunch of cold SOBs, the Soviets, now the Russian services are Russian FSB and all that. They blew up an apartment building full of Russians to invade Chetschnia. I think that's pretty well established. People yell about false flags and I think sometimes they think, oh, come on, that's a, they exist. It does happen. And the Russians, they know how to do that kind of stuff. They do that kind of stuff.

And so that's why when people say it's not just what we want, it's what they want, or how they want to draw us in, or how they want to respond. And that's where I get really worried. And I don't hear, I mean, do you ever hear anyone on, on, on either side, honestly, I ever talk about how this thing ends? No. And we just, and so I sat here, I told you, and I was a little, you know, a little, a little analyst in Afghanistan, trying to learn about what's going on in that country. I knew the end. And everyone that I thought who understood the country well was just the mission there wasn't gonna work.

It just wasn't gonna happen. Not with the Pakistani sanctuary next door, not with the history and culture of Afghanistan as it pertains to a central government. We could go talk about that for three hours. It just wasn't gonna happen. So I sit here and I say, what is our obligation to make sure that we speak the truth,

even if it is shouted down from people that are supposedly the smartest, the most knowledgeable, the ones that really care about Ukraine, because this stuff, as you know, can change in a heartbeat and all of a sudden, it's gone from, we have to support the brave Ukraine resistance to, you know what, we really do need that no-fly zone Ukraine resistance to you know what we really do need that no flaws on or you know What we really do need to establish safe haven corridors with US troops deployed to enforce them, you know west of Kiev and you know and then

Then things go on from there. We have learned a very painful lesson with how useless sanctions sanctions are again They're maybe this is amazing isn't it. We're always like, oh well, we're going to slap them around with sanctions. Really. You can slap Russia around with sanctions. The hydrocarbon superpower that in a world where the economy still absolutely, positively needs natural gas and oil, you're gonna do what exactly. And we learned.

At the beginning of this conflict, we were told we're gonna crush their economy, they can crush their economy. They're really smart people who tell us we're not gonna get in war with Russia. They said we're gonna be able to bring Russia to its knees by cutting them off from the international banking system. Does Russia look like it's been brought to its knees by the international banking system? Well, I like what I guess I shouldn't say I like, but I think Elon Musk he brought up a great point when we've opened up a US dollar and with all these sanctions and everything

and now look what's up and now Brixton's taken off and all these countries are dropping the dollar Argentina. France is talking about it. Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, who else? Who am I missing? Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, who else? Who am I missing? I mean, that's a strong list of people that are moving. If the dollar no longer is the global reserve currency, we live in a very different country with a very different standard of living pretty much overnight.

And now you wanna talk about social people and what's possible in a totalitarian future. You know, look at how much some of the most wealthy and educated nation-states in the world over the last hundred years have changed over periods of a couple of decades. But the belief that we are above the fray with all of that will always be the shining lighter freedom, the red, white, and blue. Only if we do the right things. What do you know about the bio-labs in Ukraine?

I hear a lot about the bio-labs. I don't know a lot about them, people. I just hear a lot of blurbs. I don't hear a lot of people dive in on these subjects. I just hear a lot of buzzwords. I mean, I don't have, this is where I should be like, Sean, I can not confirm nor deny. I'm not read into that program,

but I honestly don't really know much about the bio-weapon labs or whatever the reporting is on that. I've just seen what you've seen. I'd be honest with you, I haven't really, in my work, I haven't really followed events in Ukraine as closely, certainly as I did Iraq, Afghanistan, and places like that, I mean, I spent time in those places,

because I just view it as when a in a proxy war and it's going to continue, it's going to go on for years and it's really for us. Don't get drawn into the war. Try to stop the money spigot from being crazy and try to stop us from destroying the dollar on our own economy in the process because I never hear anyone say even people that are skeptical of our plan in Ukraine, I never hear them say publicly at least, well, what do we do? Even some of the Republican members, do we just stop giving Ukraine anything? Is that the plan?

Someone feels that way. I think the first step would be, they've got to start saying this, right? If they just say, Ukraine is on its own. Is that the policy, or is the policy mitigating our involvement and making sure that we don't get drawn into the disaster wholesale? But I have very little faith in the people making the decisions about the issue that they know what they're doing and that they're exercising. Judgment wisdom.

Yeah, I don't know either. I don't have any faith in it at all. But what do you think's gonna happen to the next year? Man, with the election coming up, what do we need to look out for? I think we're gonna see the BLM and Antifa and all this other shit all over again. Is that common? That's interesting.

I think the primary plan for the left is going to be the legal effort against Trump is much more serious than most people realize. And I mean, most Trump supporters realize this is a decision that I think has really already been made, that this is what they're going to do. I think the people in place have no problem using their prosecutorial authority and using the judiciary as a weapon of politics.

And I think that if they, you know, they've also set a standard whereby they can use the system, the machinery of the government in a way to crush dissent in a way that could be really, really frightening down the line because let's say you have, and I hope this is wrong, but maybe everything's gonna be fine and we'll be sitting here, smoking cigars and celebrating the victory

of the Republic and everything's fine, but I think that it's more likely, you'll see multiple efforts to prosecute Trump as the Republican nominee and Then there'll be old discussion as to whether or not they can even try to imprison him. I think that the polarization and the The impact that we'll have on the country will be Massive even by our current standards. I think people will just be in a bit of a state of shock over it. And then some who want to, you know, protest more, take to the streets, speak about this.

On our side, we'll of course create, as always happens, the opening for the other side, which always has the floodgates of activist, maniac, antifaifa BLM riot or all that stuff ready to go at a moment's notice And and so then that becomes perhaps the excuse for that to put us into a state of of Heightened anxiety, I mean remember you know you know this from How they try to break people down in interrogations, right? You create psychological isolation, anguish, and just apply pressure.

And over time, when you apply pressure, people become less rational, they become less reasonable, they're more suggestible to extreme ideas and extreme ideology. And I think that that's going to be part of a big part of the playbook to stay in power for 2024. I hope the guy that I am wrong and that they don't really go forward the prosecution of Trump and they don't try to effectively subvert an election from happening in a presidential year. And if that's the case, still a lot of other things to worry about,

but that will be good. But I see them prosecuting Trump and that taking us into completely uncharted territory. I don't know where, they've already prosecuted and declared, right? They've already brought a criminal charge, but I mean, ramping it up substantially. Yeah.

And taking it into a place where no one really can understand where that's going to go, and where that takes the country politically. And if I told somebody in 2019, we're going to be locked into our homes. We're going to be forced to act like, you know, there's a, there's a plague out there that could kill us at any moment. And there will be mobs of lunatics in major American cities, rampaging, rampaging through neighborhoods, destroying and looting stores, pulling down monuments and statues and breaking them up, riding outside the White House, riding, and you know, you know, you're just saying I was crazy. Welcome to 2020. So I think we have to see the next time around, be ready for things to get wild. That's what I think is going

to happen. Great. But it's all going to be okay. That's why you pray, spend time with your family, spend time with loved ones, read good books, think worth wild thoughts. We are still the best country in the world, which I think says a lot of the time more about other countries than it does about us, but we're still number one, so we got that. We got that going for us, which is nice.

Yeah, well, Buck, you got anything cool coming up No, I just you know your your audience has has excellent taste so if they have any room to add to the The content docket, you know, please check out we do a radio show every day clay Travis and buck sexton show We're on I mean, I don't know 500 stations give her takes are pretty much everywhere We're on the I heart appard app. You can listen in. I talk about this stuff all the time, three hours a day with Clay and we're trying to save the... And people ask me what I do for a living and I say this, I'm only half kidding, trying

to save the country. So I hope some of your folks will check out the show. Oh, I'm sure they will. All the links will be in the description and have a nice real honor and our reunion. Thanks very much. Thank you very much. An honor to be here. I really was looking forward to it.

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