Shawn Ryan Show - #60 David Tice - The Power Grid Blackout / America's WORST Enemy Could Attack Any Moment

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

David Tice is a geopolitical strategist and producer / director of the eye opening documentary ‘Grid Down, Power Up.’ David came on to tell us about the unbelievable vulnerabilities of the U.S. power grid. Electricity–it's cheap, fast, and readily available across most of the world. We rely on electricity to survive, yet most of us take it for granted. While we've gotten comfortable, a disaster has been brewing with every light switch flipped. It's not a matter of "if" but "when" the grid will fail. David reveals that not only has the United States invested very little in its power grid infrastructure since the 1950s, but power companies are actively lobbying to provide as little protection and updates to the grid as possible. We get into how adversaries like China & Russia have openly plotted against the U.S. by way of implicating our grid and even how numerous homegrown attacks against vital electrical infrastructure has flown under the radar or at worst–purposefully ignored. We're doing something special with this episode: giving YOU a way to get involved and make an impact. We're asking our audience to visit https://griddownpowerup.com/participate/ and take direct action to contact your legislators & regulators. David and his crew have put this link together to make doing this as easy a few clicks. You have no excuse. Your life and the lives of those you love depend on it. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://mindbloom.com/srs - USE CODE "SRS" https://drinkhoist.com - USE CODE "SHAWN" https://bubsnaturals.com - USE CODE "SHAWN" https://learshawn.com - CALL 800-741-0551 Information contained within Lear Capital’s website is for general educational purposes and is not investment, tax, or legal advice. Past performance may not be indicative of future results. Consult with your tax attorney or financial professional before making an investment decision. David Tice Links: Watch the Documentary - https://griddownpowerup.com Get Involved - https://griddownpowerup.com/participate Follow - https://www.instagram.com/griddownpowerup Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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as in the whole grid one out, throughout the entire country, 90% of the US population would be dead. That's from the EMP commission. Now you might be wondering how close are we to a scenario where all of the power grid goes out. Well, unfortunately, we're a lot closer than most people think. That's what we're going to cover in this episode is all the vulnerabilities that we know about, that the power grid faces, and the good news is at the end of this, we talk about how to fix it. So unfortunately, there is no legal ramifications

for not protecting our power grid from the companies that supply power. That's because they are lobbying our politicians, which means they're paying them off so that they don't create laws that force the power companies to protect the grid. Go figure. Politicians getting paid off, right?

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Well, let's get it out there and get your viewers to become grid warriors. That's what this next hour is gonna be about. All right, well, before we kick it off, everybody that comes on the show gets a gift. Are you ready? Right. Any guesses? I have no idea. All right, well, here you go. All right. I'm a snacker. So gummy bears. Those are vigilantly gummy bears made in the USA and believe it or not, they're legal in all 50 states.

You're not gonna feel funny after you eat them. Yes. That's it. Yeah. You're welcome. But, so before we get started, what prompted your interest in this? Because you're an investments guy.

Right. Not a grid guy. Nope. So how did you get interested in the US power grid? So I actually have been a geopolitical junkie going back probably 20 years. And so I followed some really intelligent gurus that have followed Russia, China, and North Korea, Iran, and the threat to America. And therefore, I've had the highest ranking spy that ever defected from the GRU, and the GRU is a sister organization at the KGB in my living room.

And he actually was, his name stands a lot of lunev. And so he testified in front of Congress with his voice disguised behind his screen. And he was one of the guys from the Russian side that worked with the Chinese in their master plan to essentially undermine the United States. And so I followed, you know followed great geopolitical strategists like Jeffrey Nyquist and Frank Gaffney, Peter Navarro, et cetera. And so I've been worried about this. What did, I'm sorry, I can't pronounce his name. What did he tell you?

Oh, Stanislav Loonov. Essentially, he said that the Russians were almost inhuman in terms of their leadership. And so he made the point about how people in the West think about some of this Russian leadership. And they think that they're normal human beings, but that they are cutthroat and vicious, and essentially just wanted to undermine the United States. So you're saying they're willing to do whatever it takes to win?

Exactly. Everything that we're not willing to do. Exactly. Interesting. A lot of countries are coming out now and it looks like they're doing to, they're willing to do whatever it takes to win whatever their goals are. The only country I don't see doing that is the one we live in. So what he also said is that Russia and China are working together and they plan on undermining the United States and they essentially want to wipe out the United States. That's the New Master Plan.

And that comes from taking out our power grid. Well, he didn't get as specific as that, at that particular juncture, but then I learned over time about how that generally is a master plan. And I learned later that we have studied de facto literature and we have deor testimony and a number of them from all four countries, Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia, have said that this is in their master plan. And we know even from special forces operations, they're conducted, you know, from Western countries that it is typical game plan to take out civilian infrastructure and take out the power grid. I mean, it makes a lot of sense and we're going to dive into all of these plans and what you've learned.

So, you have the documentary broken up into kind of four different sections and they are basically the four threat vectors of where our power grid is most vulnerable. And that's broken into physical attacks, cyber attacks, electromagnetic pulse attack, or EMP in geomagnetic disturbance, which is a natural, basically a natural EMP delivered from the Sun. But before, and then there's also the political weakness, which I would personally consider a threat as well. But before we get into that, I'd like to go over and paint a picture of what it looks like if our power grid were to go down.

And you did an amazing job of that in your documentary. Well, thank you. So essentially what would go down is really there's misperception sometimes about the power grid going down. Sometimes it's out for a couple of days. No one way it happens regionally. You know, it's a pain in our neck. And sometimes if it might go down regionally, we might have, you know, another state or another city come in to help us out. What we're talking about here is two different amplifiers. One,

if it's nationwide, then you don't have, you know, used to know you're able to help out Louisiana as an example. You know, then we have to count on France. And then also, we're talking about something longer than a couple days. If this happens six to nine months, then again, it amplifies it, you know, a thousand to a million fold. And so if we truly have an outage, it is nationwide that last nine months, the EMP Commission, which is a commission, it was mandated by US Congress, and it has

much more authority and better funding than a congressional committee, they found that as many as 90% of Americans would die. 90% of Americans, that's what's 90% of 360 million people. Yeah, so it's like 300 million. So 300 million people wiped off a map just like that. And how long did you say that would take? Nine months, nine months. That was the metric that the EMP commission utilized.

And what does it look like if our power grid goes down? So it really becomes almost zombie apocalypse and it's horrific because we think about loosen the rule law. And so we have George Carlin, a clip from one of his comedy tours in a movie. And he says, you can't count on the police or the national guard, they'll be

at home protecting their own family. And that's exactly true. I don't think people realize how much chaos and how miserable it will become when the power of air goes down. And just I've known this is coming for a long time. And when I first started looking until me and my wife lived in Florida, we went through a hurricane and anybody who lives in Florida, the population just continues to increase and increase.

And now after 2020 and COVID, with all the mandates, all these people that want freedom are just pouring in there, like it's nobody's business. And what we know, we moved up here about five years ago to Tennessee and we went through a hurricane. Here's what happens in a hurricane. If anybody's been through one, they obviously know, but grocery stores are completely wiped out

within about 48 hours of a hurricane coming. Just the news alone, people go into panic mode and they take, there goes all the water, there goes all the bread, there goes all the meat, all the frozen food, all the vegetables, anything you can think of, it's gone. Gasoline, gone. The lines go around, the lines can be over a mile long sometimes, plywood, gone. The lines go around, the lines can be over a mile long sometimes.

plywood gone. Why do you need plywood to to one to keep looters out and to keep debris that the hurricane is going to throw at your house from crack it from breaking windows. All the plywood's gone. All the generators are gone because everybody knows the power is going to go out. Everything that you can think, you can't even escape it because the, I believe it was Matthew, there was a stop and go traffic jam on highway 95 and that went all the way from Miami to Atlanta, Georgia. Stop and go traffic. There is no escape.

And so when we went through that hurricane, if I remember correctly, that wound up being kind of over-embellished by the news. But it did paint a picture of what it's going to be like with all these new people. I mean, Florida is worried that they're not going to be able to flush the toilets in a couple of years. There's so many people down there now. So we moved up here. When we moved up here, I had a very particular type of property

that I was looking for because I was thinking about the grid and what's going to happen when it does go down because I knew early on how vulnerable it was. I didn't realize it was this vulnerable. And we looked for a place that was way out the middle of nowhere. It had to have a water source because when the grid goes down, there goes your water, there goes your medical, there goes your food, everything. It's gone. There goes the police, there goes communications. You think you're going to talk to your elderly parents? Nope. That's over

No cars, especially if it's in EMP and the MP will destroy any electronic device within its within its range and Help me out here. There's a lot more You know, it needs to be said about what this looks like. And a never ending, in a never ending, I mean, nine months, just nine months alone. And it frankly could be six months. I mean, these guys, the EMP Commission was staffed by the smartest scientists and, you know, electromagnetic pulse physicists, you know, in a world. But, and they're making conjectures about. But think about the municipal water system.

The municipal water system is 100% dependent upon the grid. So I visited in Highland Park and Dallas, a system there, and had the top engineer walk me through some of it. And I said, well, what's your power source? They said the grid. I said, any backup for that? No, we thought about some backup generators a few years ago would have cost $5 million and we dismissed that idea.

I mean, there's literally nothing, which is going to create nothing. There are no supply chains, there is no water, there is no food, there is no fuel, everything that you have come to know, all the both luxuries and necessities in life are fueled by the power grid. And that's going to create chaos because when people get hungry and they get thirsty and desperation sets in, there's no more friends, there's no more communities, people are

going to do whatever they need to do to enable their families and themselves survive. And it's just gonna be mass, not really rioting chaos in the streets. Nobody's coming. There is nobody coming. How are they gonna fuel helicopters to bring supplies in? They're not. They can't.

There's an expression that's utilized among the grid warrior community, which is there's no calvary to come. And you can't count on the calvary. And so let me also mention, even if you had some backup generators and some people, you know, some institutions like hospitals or apartments might have backup generators,

but then how much diesel supply do you have? And sometimes it's three days, you know, sometimes it's day and a half, maybe it might be 30 days, but then your diesel is not going to be delivered, you know, because there's going to be chaos. And therefore, when that's what causes, you know And people think that, oh, I've got this backup generator, or the power guys from the electric utilities will come out and fix all this. Well, how about if the transformer and these high voltage transformers, and we talk about in the film that are, you know, hundreds of tons each

are made mostly in South Korea, Germany, and some in China. And that's a big part of our film movie that we talk about is they can't be replaced without there being an enormous backlog. And it will take, you know, potentially right now the backlog has gone from two years to over five years from what we understand, because what's happened in the Ukraine, the Russians have gone after the Ukrainian power grid, and they've wiped out a number of transformers and therefore in replacing some of those transformers have been damaged. It's increasing the

backlog for transformers. Do we make any of these transformers? Yes we do make some and there's about five companies that do make these transformers and frankly I was a little bit less aware of that until not that long ago but we're actually starting to talk to some of those companies and we're trying to work you know behind the scenes to do all we can to fix this issue and you made mention before about why I was doing this to raise awareness. It's not just to raise awareness. It's to raise awareness and get our legislators,

get our regulators to damn fix this problem. And part of my motivation for all this was I call myself a NASA grandfather because my grandkids are 4, 3, 2, 1 Houston. We have a problem. And so I said, we've got to wake people up. We got to create enraged mama bears and soccer dads such that we get in front of our legislators and our regulators and we get this stinking problem and this vulnerability fixed.

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So I'm going to display on video right now what these Transformers look like. Transformers take up to 18 months to make. The US cannot live six months without these transformers. Cybersecurity, knowing his checked for vulnerabilities on the back doors of these transformers, how vulnerable they are to hackers. Shiner provides 10% of the electricity to New York City and 20% of the electricity to Las Vegas. 200 of these transformers are from China and are embedded into the U.S. power grid.

China, South Korean, Germany are the majority of the manufacturers, as you just previously stated. And I know we're going to get into these transformers a little bit later, but let's just start with the four threat vectors. And the first threat vector I have is physical attack. Let's talk about the domestic terrorism attack that happened in Medcalfe, California. And the reason I want to talk about that is it shows how vulnerable it is and how unsophisticated it can be to make this amount of, to take the grid out. Okay, so let's talk about that. So, this was 2013 Medcalfe, California, which is outside Silicon Valley. And this was a major substation.

So this attack was covered actually in 2022 in a January 60 minute story that was rerun again in August. You can go to YouTube and watch that story. It was fortunately, so it seems that eight or nine terrorists were utilized in AK-47s or AR-15s and shooting out the cooling facility for these transformers. Unfortunately, police got there. They disappeared into the night. They've never solved who this was.

Unfortunately, we were able to divert power, such that it did not cause a massive outage in Silicon Valley, but it was frankly a wake-up call. And frankly, it was hidden for about a year until the Wall Street journal ran a story a year later. It was hidden. Yes, it was completely hidden. Why do you think they hid? Because the powers of B did not want the American public to understand that there might be terrorists out there taking out a substation. It's also possible that they didn't want this to create, you know, me to attacks, you know, other people saying, oh, we can do this. And therefore, you know, potentially our powers of

being have some reasons for, you and I both know, you know, our authorities don't tell us the truth all the time. Yeah. That's becoming more and more clear every day that goes by. But what came out of this report was FERC, which is the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which does a lot of the regulation for our power grid. They ended up running a study, and they found that if there were as few as nine critical substations were taken out, you know, just key nodes, it could cause the power to go out nationwide, nine substations. Nine substations.

How many substations are there? There are about 55,000 substations. And it would only take nine substations to, to, yeah. Would these need to be strategic attacks? Is there nine in particular? 55,000 substations. And it would only take nine substations to two. True. Would these need to be strategic attacks? Oh, yeah. Is there nine in particular?

Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm sure there's maybe 50 that would fall within that nine. You know, and I haven't seen that report, but it would have to be, you know, key substations, for sure. So another thing that I found interesting is, there is no legal obligation for these power companies, both private and public companies. I think if I remember correctly,

there's around 20 power companies nationwide. None of them have any legal obligation to secure their grid that serves every person in the United States. What I think is, I mean, how is that even possible? I mean, this is, this is life. Power is life. Okay. The most... I mean, this is also what enables us to be the most powerful country in the world

is electricity and power. So, electricity is... so Senator Bob Hall, who is a state senator in Texas and he's a real patriot as he's been fighting for better grid legislation grid protection legislation and state of Texas for For different sessions. So he says that electricity is more Important than anything after air. It's even more important than water because if you don't have electricity, you're not going

to have water. And therefore, that's how important it is. And human beings need water. They will die after three days of not having water. And therefore, this is how important electricity is. Now, there's been something called regulatory capture and there should be better regulation of our utilities. There's the provide electricity because electricity is so important.

But most people don't want to be told what to do. Most companies and most industries don't want to be told what to do. But in the public interest, there needs to be regulation telling companies what to do. But what's happened is there's mostly self-regulation in the electric utility industry, which means, so we call that regulatory capture, which means the utility industry has captured the regulators. So we go over

in a film just for a couple brief minutes about there's FERC and NERC. So I mentioned Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and then NERC, North American Electricity, North American Electricity Regulatory Corporation. And both those entities, especially NERC, has 75% of their trustees come from the public utilities. Are there any of these power companies that are proactive enough to actually put up some time of protection for these power stations and sub stations? Is there anything? Yes. There are certainly some utilities that are better than others, for sure.

And we talk about that in a film. We actually mentioned, you know, five or six companies that have, you know, gone much further than most. But the problem is it needs to be industry-wide and we need to wake up there needs to be better regulation demanding that these companies make these changes and That's not in place I'm sorry, I said, for NARCUS, the North American electricity reliability corporation. So this attack in Medcalfe, California, they, it sounds like the US Navy SEALs helped

with a some type of an after actions report and said that this was likely a terrorist attack. Then one year later, the FBI concluded, go figure, that it wasn't a terrorist attack, but they had no further information. So they don't know what it is, but they just know it's not a terrorist attack. Exactly. If the eyes are extremely unimpressive organization. Let's move on to cyber attacks. And I think, you know, actually backing up, you know, another thing is this physical attack. We had mentioned at the beginning that China and Russia are working together.

It's likely China is going to take Taiwan before the end of the Biden administration. We already see Putin made his move under the Biden administration. These two are working together. You're starting to see more and more countries take sides with China and Russia. I saw France. I was looking to drop the US dollar Saudi Arabia and Iran. They just made a deal. They're dropping the US dollar. India is part of BRICS.

Brazil now it's dropped the US dollar Brazil, not to drop the US dollar, Argentina, wants to drop the US dollar. And it looks like we've been weaponizing US currency so much that now it's becoming a trend that people don't want the currency weaponized against them and more and more and more people are starting to drop the US dollar. This is coming from China. China and Russia are working together. China produces, I can't remember how much of our power grid. So 200 transformers. You said it now.

It's actually 300. 300. Yeah. The number 300 transformers. You said it's actually 300. 300. Yeah, the number 300 transformers come from China. All they need to do is take out nine transformers. And right now we have a wide open southern border where we already know there are people from all over the world floating into this country. Why wouldn't China send in a

couple of operatives to take out nine substations and kill our power grid right before they hit Taiwan? I mean, it just seems, I mean, if they didn't do it, it wouldn't make any sense. Why wouldn't they? It would be, it's vulnerable, and it's so easy just to send a couple of people across a wide open border that seems like half the country doesn't want to secure and take out nine transformers.

I think it is so eminent, and I'm with you, Sean, in terms of... China has plans to go after Taiwan, and they will do it before the end of the administration. So that's only a year and a half away. Yeah. And it's coming. And so why not, frankly, I think an aircraft carrier is going to be taken out, and then we're going to be potentially World War III. And when, because I think our aircraft carriers are likely sitting ducks, you know, for the sunburned missiles, and that we will, and taking out critical civilian infrastructure

like the power grid, and maybe they don't do it nationally, maybe they do it regionally or a big city just to alert America about where they are in terms of a hostile act as a saying, here's what you got. You know, do you want us to do more? We'll do it. How long would it take? Let's say they did, they were successful and they took out a bunch of these substations. Let's say they took out all 300. How long would it take just to replace one of these gigantic transformers? And the documentary you guys talk about, you show how big these transformers are. I mean, they would have to remove stoplights, maybe you've removed some overpasses. I mean, this isn't just a delivery of a six by six box generator. This is a, I mean, these transformers are the size of buildings.

Right. Exactly. There are hundreds of tons each. And therefore, how long would it take? I mean, if there were three or four, they could probably get it done in a month or so. But if there are 50 or 200, then we're talking about chaos. We're talking about extreme chaos. Let's move on to cyber attacks. So cyber attacks, so Jennifer Grandholm is the Secretary of Energy, Andrew Joe Biden currently.

So she was asked on a Sunday morning talk show about if our adversaries are currently in grid and therefore could shut down our power grid. And she responded affirmatively. and she responded affirmatively. So there's something called malware or Trojan horse software. And essentially it could be, this malware can be laying in weight, latent, and ready to go to be signaled. Senator Angus King had a tirade in a congressional committee talking about this saying that our adversaries are in the grid. And therefore, here we have two major public officials responding that this is a case right now. And for these 300 Chinese transformers that have been provided to us because they're cheaper

in my opinion, and China, Qi has talked about how they are at war with the United States essentially. They consider us the number one enemy. Exactly. They consider us the number one enemy. And so cyber attacks, thousands of daily cyber attacks, thousands of them, of at least attempted attacks are happening daily. There is no, this is what really gets me. There is no regulated protection to remove any of this

malware or Trojan horse software that they're putting into these transformers. There's literally no oversight. The next geopolitical conflict will likely be in the form of a cyber war and they are using another mind blowing thing. So they are using Ukraine as basically a testing ground on shutting power grids down using this mall where we think that's certainly the case. Now, I have not seen anything, you know, we mentioned in the movie about 2015, 2016. This is before the Ukrainian war, that there were three major cyber attacks against the Ukraine.

And there was conjecture that came from Ukrainians that said that we were probably the test case for this. Now, what's happened in the last year and a half that Putin has been fighting a kinetic war against Ukraine. And we know they've gone after the power grid. And frankly, Ukraine is probably less sensitive than we are because they have lesser, you know, less current technology and more analog technology and less digital electronics and therefore that makes you know them a little bit less vulnerable than our systems. They're more digital and more advanced. So you're telling me that Ukraine has a more sophisticated power system than the United States. No, I'm saying actually less sophisticated in terms of older and less, but in this case,

it's, they have more stability. More stability. Sometimes older is better because it's more analog and less digital and therefore less likely to be susceptible to malware etc. So if this malware let's say let's say there's Let's say there's you said there's 300 transformers from China. There's no regulation that says they need to inspect these from all wear or Trojan horses. So I think it would be safe to assume all 300 of these transformers have something inside of them that China can control from a long ways away.

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I guarantee you're fixing to say, oink oink, I'm just so happy I got moinked. I'm not, you know, a cyber technology expert like that, but from what I understand, it's real possible. Yes. It's simple. It's simple to take it out, if those are installed. If they found anybody inspected any of these transformers or... So actually, it hit the news where a major high voltage transformer was inspected by the energy department and by some of our labs, and because there was suspicion, and it was not put into the grid, but then it's nothing has ever come out publicly. And so it's been top secret,

but we don't know. But I have a feeling, again, our government is not being completely forthcoming to us. They're not going to tell us, oh, by the way, we found out all our Chinese, you know, this Chinese transformer has all the malware in it. But they certainly could have come out and said, oh, we inspected it, it's all fine. And they certainly haven't said that. So well, I mean, the government is, I think if it was clean, then they probably would have released it. I mean, the government doesn't. They don't want to embarrass themselves. And so I'm sure that's why it's classified

because they don't want to report that, yeah, this is infected. I mean, it's just, if it was clean, there would be no reason not to report it. Yeah. But, um, man, very alarming. Let's talk about the electromagnetic pulse, or EMP attack. So electromagnetic pulse is

essentially comes from a blast of a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere and a blast creates these gamma waves and so essentially the blast which would occur between 20 miles and 200 miles in altitude. And essentially the higher it is, the more expansive the blast. If it's 20 miles, it's a experience like this. essentially this these gamma waves are It's called E1 you know from a physics term and what's interesting

I'm gonna bring up lightning so lightning is essentially E2 so we protect our computers in our house and our high-end TVs with surge protectors, correct? Because we want to protect against E2. Okay, so what we're talking about here is E1 pulses. So this E1 pulse, just like an E2 lightning, can wipe out electronics. So it will wipe out

transformers, it will wipe out our cell phones, it will wipe out, you know, any highly sensitive electronics. So what we have here is we need to protect against these E1 pulses. And that can be done just like surge protectors are done for E2 for lightning. It can be done for E1 and there is technology that can be provided on the front end of our substations to be able to protect our sensitive electronics for our transformers. And that's what we're arguing for. And one of the things that we're doing with this movie is this is not just scare porn, where there's no options available, where we just have to cover in a corner and just pray to God that we're protected. There is something we can do. We can provide. There's technology available,

Faraday cages, surge arrestors that can be utilized, highly physics-oriented technology that will help protect our substations and transformers. Is any of that being utilized at all? Not really. There has been some technology that's been shown to the utilities, Siemens and Centerpoint Energy actually developed something called Sipratech, you know, which is a device that would help protect our substations. It doesn't necessarily protect completely from the pulse, but it was shown to utilities and utilities essentially, you know, gave it a death year. The Russians, the Chinese and the Iranians have verified that there are war plans. Their first move for the United States would be an EMP attack.

The US electrical grid would not survive a massive EMP attack today, even a weather balloon interesting. Twenty miles above the earth can be destructive to the sensitive electrical infrastructure. An open southern border, foreign nationals are crossing with no paperwork or records. And, you know, so far all we've talked about is the is an airborne EMP, which how, how I do know that we are close to having the technology, maybe we may already have it where we would have the kind of like the iron dome over the entire the United States, which is basically an energy field, like a bubble over the entire United States. Do you know,

over the entire United States. Do you know anything about that? No, and, and, of course, I have no knowledge of that. I don't know how, what the altitude of that is, but I do, I mean, the purpose of it would be to stop and, and EMP and nuclear, any kind of missile coming in to hit the United States. However, if a deton detonates above that threshold, I don't know if it would be effective at all

and disseminating the energy waves. But there's another kind of VMP, a briefcase, the MP, which would be much easier to get into the country, undetected, especially with the southern border wider open, the way it is. So what a briefcase EMP is, is it's still creating this E1 pulses. And, you know, as you mentioned,

a terrorist can carry it in like a small, you know, briefcase and could be outside these key critical substations, you know, of which there are nine, that, you know, at critical junctures, and our adversaries have, you know, top scientists and strategists and electro-magnetic pulse experts, and, you know, it's not that difficult I don't think to figure out and we're certainly not going to announce where those substations are but this is a potential threat as well. I mean I want everybody that's listening to think about I mean we all we dry by them all

the time maybe several times a day. You see these little outstations. And what is the protection that they have? They have a chain link fence and maybe some barbed wire on top of the chain link fence. I see, they're everywhere. You see them all over the place. I've never seen one guarded, not once. I've never heard of one being

guarded. I mean, they're just, they're just out there in the open. I mean, just sitting there waiting to be attacked. Exactly. So what happened in Metcalfe, Californiaia was they did put more secure wall around it, but again there's no roof or a drone could come in on top. And I think there is a cause looking at critical junctures, you know, that potentially we have, you know, guards, or this certainly ought to be looked at and talked about. Let's take a quick break. Great. Great.

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to say, I think we may have already covered this, but these, so that would basically a natural EMP. One thing that I did wanted to say, I think we may have already covered this, but these, so that would be a natural threat, but the previous three are all, are all from our adversaries. And I just want to reiterate, between the years of 2010 and 2020, there have been upwards of 900 documented attacks on our power grid, 900. Yes, so those are physical attacks. I think that's through actually 2022. That's just physical attacks. That's not even cyber attacks.

Yes, that's physical attacks. How is there any more that have been effective other than the Medcalfe, California one? other than the Medcalfe, California one? There has been one in Arizona that actually, well, we saw what happened in North Carolina just recently. And so that just happened a few months ago. What have that in North Carolina? It knocked out, I believe, 45,000 households

for at least two or three days. That was in the news. I didn't hear about this. Yeah, it was within probably January, February of this year. And then there were stories about in Oregon and Washington. There were a number of other attacks that had been not disclosed, but then after the North Carolina attack, it was in the news that there were several attacks in Oregon and Washington.

So, can you repeat this? So in North Carolina this year, in January, February, time frame, there was a physical attack on the power grid that left how many people without power? 45,000 households without power. So that's basically an entire city. Yes. What what was the attack? The FBI is investigating a series of attacks on US power grits. In North Carolina, thousands were elect without power for days

after gunfire damaged two substations. Shots were also fired this week near an energy facility in South Carolina, and recent attacks were reported in Oregon and Washington state. So they never quite found the perpetrator. There were rumors that this was some kind of right wing crazy attack, but we never really got to the complete bottom of it.

Okay, so there was a physical attack in North Carolina, they share that we have 45,000 without power and they again have failed to report who it was and the cause. They're just so they're just making shit up. Yeah. That's the media continues to do. So let's move on into geomagnetic disturbance, the natural EMP. So in the doc, you guys talk about the character, Carrington event of 1859, the most intense GMD in recorded history. Can you talk about that a little bit? Sure. So this is called the Carrington event, occurred in 1859.

So this is before we had very many sophisticated electronics, but we had telegraphs. And so all the telegraph lines were knocked out. Various railroad lines were actually fried, you know, in terms of, and we showed some pictures in our documentary about this. And it actually sent telegraph operators to the hospital. And this was a massive attack. And there is belief that if we had an attack

at that scale today, it would wipe out all our transformers and all our sophisticated electronics. This caused fires, electrical shocks, to wiped out all the telegraph stations. A storm of that magnitude today would cause an internet apocalypse. You cannot accurately predict when the next solar storm will be

space, space, weather at this point is wildly unpredictable. Is this even, is this, is there anything we can do to protect ourselves? Yes, there is actually a lot that can be done. So, earlier in our discussion, I talked about E1, you know, which is EMP. And then I talked about E2 which is lightning. So this is actually E3. Okay, so it's considered natural EMP because it's very similar in terms of the gamma waves, et cetera, but from what understands

a slower amplitude, I believe. And so there are something called zero ground blockers that can be put in, you know, outside substations that will protect against this E3. And in fact, the protection for E3 for a geometric disturbance is a lot less costly than what the cost to protect against E1. So it is forecasted that it would cost as little as $10 billion to protect the entire nation from E3 and GMD. Now to talk a little bit more about GMD,

this is also considered a solar flare, a solar storm. Another term for it is a coronal mass ejection. And essentially what the sun is spitting out, you know, enormous energy and this these flares and so the question is when it is Coincide with the earth orbit and so that is a statistical problem or as a statistical phenomena that we can guess when will Eventually occur will coincide with the Earth's orbit. We just don't know when. NASA has forecasted that there will be a severe storm, you know,

potentially as big as the Carrington event. The risk of that, the statistical probability that is roughly 12% every decade. 12% every decade. So if this happens, is this the entire globe or is this whatever side of the globe is facing the sun? How does this go down? I think it has to do more with hemisphere. Okay. Yeah. So it would be our, you know, Western hemisphere facing the sun at that particular time. So whichever hemisphere is facing the sun, that's who's going to take it. Yeah. And it will, the other side be affected at all. I tell you, Sean, physics was my worst

class in high school. So we're getting outside my band with a little there, but I should know that. I appreciate the honesty. I really do appreciate the honesty. So getting back to what do you think the most imminent threat could be out of the four vectors here. I mean, just going back to China, you know, our adversaries, they've labeled us enemy number one and their eyes. And they've just got so many angles on this country and now the power grid, you know, I've been going on, I've been going on about this green movement. so many angles on this country and now the power grid,

I've been going on about this green movement. And not that I don't think green energy would be a good thing. I don't think it works. And I think we found that out in Texas. What was that last one or two winners ago? Two winners. And I was upset because it's already known that they would produce all of the batteries.

We talked about this last sign at dinner, how China's investing in all these lithium mines all around the world. They were there to negotiate with the Taliban before we even pulled out of there. As we're pulling out, China's there to negotiate the lithium mines, which would be our batteries for all the green solar equipment. They're doing this in Mexico, they're doing this in Africa, they're making our solar panels, they're supplying our batteries, they're supplying our wind turbines and everything. Well, now I'm finding out they've been supplying a lot of it all along.

And so they've essentially, they already have us. But on top of that, Chinese companies are purchasing land near US military bases, $700 million worth of farmland bought near Grand Forks Air Force Base, North Dakota. In 2019, Chinese billionaire purchased land near Laughland Air Force Base in Texas. That's the largest pilot training facility. That's their Air Force's largest pilot training facility. They purchased 140,000 acres with an airstrip on that land. And there's, I mean, wire foreign companies allowed to

access the Texas power grid. Is that, is that still in this is from 2019? So Greg Abbott signed the So Greg Abbott signed the Lone Star Infrastructure Protection Act to block the proposed wind farm plans that the Chinese had. So that's good. There's been a rise in number of Chinese nationals crossing into the US through the southern border. I mean, these guys are getting extremely aggressive. And normally I would say overconfident, but looking at all the different sectors that they have us, they have our supply chain. They had COVID. They have, they're paying off for politicians. They are settling Africa. They are taking all the lithium mines. They are buying our farmland. They, I mean'm missing something, I gotta be missing something. They literally have us from every angle.

No, we are incredibly vulnerable. We've let our guard down as you and I were talking, before we started the interview, its conservatives need to step up. Americans need to step up. We realize it. We're at war with China. And we have the Taiwan's,

Dairenous in the face. And it's likely to happen in the next year and half. I mean, I feel like we're completely helpless. And the majority of the American population doesn't even realize it yet. No, we need to wake up. That's why people need to watch this documentary. We need to tell your friends, but we have the Philist facility by which we can reach out to our regulators, our legislators, our board of directors of our public utilities. But you know, Sean,

we are movers and shakers. You are disseminating this wisdom to your listeners and viewers. You know, I'm trying to wake people up with this film. I end this film on this tone of positivity because I say we can do this. We've overcome a lot in the past. We built a national highway system. We overcame racial segregation. We overcame Nazi Germany with converting our industrial economy to an arsenal of democracy. And we made that happen. And therefore, we Americans and we patriots that are listeners and viewers of your show, we just need to step up and we can't get overly, you know, comatose about this, we've just got to step up even greater and say, we're gonna fix this.

Before we get to how we fix it, let's talk about what, in your opinion, what is the most likely or imminent threat out of the four of these vectors? I'd say cyber attack and I'd say it's Chinese transformers. Cyber attack and Chinese transformers, that's what I would think. What about one thing I did in discuss

is the political weakness. So it sounds like the according to the documentary about the Obama administration and the Trump administration had put things in place to kind of protect these transformers. Trump signed an executive order while he was in office. Unfortunately, the Biden administration is neglected to address the power grid crisis and whatever Trump put in place is now falling apart. UK and Israel have appointed a person to oversee their power grids. US has done nothing and the US does not have direct authority over the civilian infrastructure.

So how, how, when we get to the point where we talk about how we're going to get these politicians to start to enact bills and legal stuff to force these companies to protect our grid a little bit longer, how would we combat all of the money coming from these power corporations, they're gonna send in their lobbyists, they're gonna pay off all of these politicians. We see it all that, all of our politicians are paid off, all of them. So how are we gonna protect ourselves

from a utility company that literally has an endless bank account because we all need power. They're never going to go out of business. How do we combat that? So we need to take this movie and move it into a movement. And therefore, it needs to be, we need to wake up, you know, gen Xers, we need to wake up baby boomers, and we all need to tell our friends, we need to write up, you know, gen Xers. We need to wake up baby boomers. We all need to tell our friends.

We need to write these letters. We'll get more into that in a second. But this can be fixed. There is technology, as we've talked about, that can prevent this. And we just need to, we need a better regulatory system because as we mentioned before, there's been regulatory capture. We need to amend the Federal Power Act to be able to get NERC, the North American Electricity Reliability Corporation out of the way, you know, because they're self-regulating.

We need to embarrass these utilities and let them know that we need to put in the infrastructure and when it turns for this is hardened our grid, to protect our grid, we need to protect our grid against all hazards. You mentioned about the UK and Israel, we mentioned that in the film. The UK and Israel both have what we call a grids are almost, you know, responsible to the President and American people saying,

we will protect this grid. When you think about electricity being the most second most important component after air, I mean, this needs to be protected and this needs to be top priority. What are some things that people can do? I don't think there's very many people left that have any confidence in the US government at this point. We spoke about that last night, but my personal opinion is they already know it's over and they're ripping the wiring out of the walls and trying to get every last dollar into their pockets before this thing goes up. What are some things that folks can do just to prepare their families for something like

this that's coming down the line if it happens? Yeah. So, we intentionally didn't take a civil defense, you know, approach to this film. It's kind of left, you know, silent in terms of when you see how severe this might be and you're sitting around your breakfast table with your spouse and your kids,

you've got to think, what are we going to do? And you better have some extra food, you should have a generator, you should potentially have a bolt hole, you know, where you can go, where you have, you know, friends and family around you, you should have a plan, you should think about this because the risk is high. And I know this is politically incorrect to talk about. People think you're a tinfoil hat kind of guy, if you think that, but how reliant can we be on this US government, frankly, you know,

when you see the threats, and when you watch this movie, and you're gonna say, holy smokes, we better protect ourselves. Therefore, you need to think outside the box, you need to think about 50 years ago, we were more self-reliant. We didn't rely, 100% on colon uber eats or, you know, Colin Amazon to get our food. I mean, a lot of us had gardens. A lot of us could, you know, could hunt, et cetera. Nowadays, we've gotten soft,

and therefore we have to think about getting better, prepared, and better self-reliant, frankly. And we have to say and I have is, prepare for the worst hope for the best, leave God to the rest. I have a saying too, you can shut in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. Yeah.

But, um, but, um, you know, I think it's important that I don't think there are very many people left at all that have any confidence in the US government. I mean, it's just been failing us time and time and time again and it's getting worse and worse and worse. I would like to add just a couple of things because I know people that watch this show are going to want to take, they're going to want to take this opportunity to start to prepare right now. And I would say a couple of things that you need to have on hand would be some type of a water filtration system, preferably a gravity-fed

water filtration system, some type of a generator, but on top of that, some type of a solar inverter that you can recharge. There's tons of these things online now, and they're getting better and better and better by the day. I would get at least a couple of them. I would get a ferrity bag to put those generators in,

figure out what electronics you think you're actually going to need the most maybe a maybe light heat Because of the grid goes down. There's not going to be any there's not going to be any heat And it's going to be extremely cold in some places And I would put all of these these important electronics that you think that you might need into a ferrity bag to protect from any M.P happens if it happens because the desperation will kick in extremely fast But another thing people don't think about is tools, you know Tools that you need to garden tools that you need to board up your windows all this like the power drills all that kind of stuff

It's not gonna work anymore You know and and so hand tools to be able to enable you to increase the infrastructure in your house and protect against the desperation of humanity that's coming. And I think those are very important things to think about. And for anybody that does think the 10 foil hat thing, you know, time and time again, 10 foil hat people are becoming, it's turning out that a lot of these things are right. And it's not a 10 foil hat thing. We see it anytime there's a hurricane, you see this.

And in a very small capacity, what we're talking about is something that could last to the end of your lifetime. Yeah. And then we saw it in Texas in February, 2021. Four minutes and 30 seconds away from a total collapse of the grid. The short term was two to three days without power.

That way that went to 200 deaths that it brought 200 deaths. Long term outage, one to two years, that would equal 10 million plus deaths. There were 210 fatalities in an estimated 710 related deaths. 8.7 million people had to boil their water. 7 million people had to boil their water August of 2003 in New York City had a total blackout 55 million people lost power for two days the New York City subways and traffic came to a complete halt eight US and Southeast Canada eight US states and Southeast Canada were infected.

New York, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut, were all affected. So anybody that's thinking that this is, this is the likelihood of this happening is slim. It's already happening, but it's already happening, which is mentioned, there were 900, there's been 900

Personal physical attacks on the grid in a in what a 10-year period. So this isn't this isn't that far-fetched at all In fact the likelihood especially with China becoming more and more aggressive towards the US and And I don't know if manipulating is the correct word, but I'm going to use it manipulating different countries and nations and even some of our allies to side with them to collapse the dollar. I mean, it's just a matter of time. You know, it is literally a matter of time. You know, it is literally a matter of time. It's coming and this is certainly not far-fetched and you know, the film lays out with some phenomenal experts. So we mentioned Angus Kang, we mentioned

Jennifer Granholm, we also have Newt Gangeridge. We have Ted Coppel is very, very concerned about the potential of a cyber attack. We have the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who just retired, John Heighton, you know, said that, yes, we protected our critical missile systems and our command control centers from EMP, but our critical civilian infrastructure we haven't protected it at all. And that we ought to think about that. One thing that I did really appreciate about your documentary

really appreciate about your documentary is the end. And so now we can get to how we fix this. And I'd like you to explain it, but you have really made it easy on the website, GriggedownpowerUp, just Google it, I'll take you right there. But you really laid out, you've made it extremely easy for people to get in touch with their political figures and how to find them. And you guys even have an email that's already written up. You just got to hit the send button. So can you go into? Sure.

So thanks for saying that. So it's griddownpowerup.com. And you can watch the complete movie there You also can watch a 12 minute version, which is a highlights reel because sometimes people want to schedule you know two weeks from Thursday before they can allocate 56 minutes and But you can really get the crux of this but But under the Participate tab at the top on the right, click on that and you can write, you can identify your legislators, regulators,

and members of your boards of directors for your public utility. And so for you can put in your home address if you click to your mouse and you will have a pre-written letter popup for your state legislators, lower house, upper house, your congressman, your governor, your agitant general

of your state's national guard, your FEMA Emergency Director, as well as your Chairman of your Public Utility Commission. You can do all that through a couple different outreaches. And you can have these letters written, you can sign a petition, you can make a post to Facebook, you can actually have a phone call mechanism by which your Skype or your phone will be engaged. You'll have the phone number, you click, you'll be able to reach that Congressperson's office or state legislator's office.

We also have an outreach to your FERC and NERC regulators. And so we've made this very, very easy. You hear that everybody? It's literally just clicks. Just go to the website, do the clicks, everything's done for you, get in touch with these people and let's fix this damn problem. I mean, this is a nation-ending event if this happens. It is the end of the world as you know it. And for 90% of you, you won't even be around if it happens. But David, I really appreciate you coming out here

and sharing this information. And I'm happy to jump on board and get this out to as many people as possible. I know how imminent this threat is and the probability is extremely likely. So I just want to say I really appreciate what you're doing. And it's going to take people like you putting things aside and producing

stuff like this to wake people up and inform the masses of how important this is to protect our grid. Well, Sean, thank you for that and thanks for this opportunity to be in front of your very intelligent astute viewers and just I would urge them to watch the film and then alert you know 10, 20 year your friends and then take those outreach mechanisms and let's let's fix it. So let's get it down. Let's do it. All the links will be linked below. Everybody go watch it. It's in amazing documentary and very alarming,

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