Shawn Ryan Show - #65 Dr. Steven Greer - Black Budget, Stargate, Raytheon, Lockheed Skunk Works, UAP/UFO Secrets

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

Dr. Steven Greer is back in episode #65 to discuss a wealth of ground-breaking science and discovery. First, he outlines new realizations around zero-point energy and how this supposed newfound technology is as old as time. Greer also covers how this technology has been hidden away from the public for decades by the military industrial complex and corporate interests. Why? Because it could change the balance of power globally. This episode uncovers who these corporate entities are and how YOU can get involved to secure an abundant future for you and your family. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://1stphorm.com/srs https://DrinkAG1.com/srs https://helixsleep.com/srs https://moinkbox.com/srs https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://mindbloom.com/srs - USE CODE "SRS" Dr. Steven Greer Links: Website - www.siriusdisclosure.com Documentary - www.TheLostCenturyFilm.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.steven.greer/ Whistleblowers: please write to: [e-mail] Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, my next guest needs no introduction. He's been on the show before and he has one of the top episodes that we have ever produced here at SRS. I'm talking about Dr. Steven Greer. He's back. This time we're talking about zero point energy. And we're talking about technologies that have been hidden from us and the US government by companies such as Lockheed Martin Skunkworks, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop Grumman. And if you think this is a little out there, think again because the US Senate and the US Congress are both digging into this subject matter to get to the bottom of it. Next week, we have three of the five whistleblowers that Dr. Greer brought in front of Congress to testify about these technologies that they

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This is an awesome episode. It has a ton of information in it. In the next two weeks, it's all this subject. Love you all and joy the show. Cheers. It's always good to see you. We've been seeing a lot of each other. So I just got back from your whistleblower conference and the premiere of your new documentary and the National Press Club event, a ton of good information came out of that stuff

that nobody's ever heard, extremely well put together event, by the way. Oh, thank you. Oh, volunteers. Was it really? 100% volunteers. Incredible event. From start to finish me and my friend Carter, who was the one

to connect us, we just had a fantastic time and learned so much. And so we got a lot to talk about today, diving into some of the whistleblower stuff, we're actually getting a handful of the whistleblowers that I think they came out of this show with your first interview. Is that correct? Some of them had been contacted me and been involved before, some sense. And of course, once that law got passed, allowing a pathway for them to testify about what they knew, notwithstanding their non-disclosure agreements, that sort of opened up a whole

new tranche of people willing to come forward. And that process, I think we're having a couple of new whistleblowers every week now. Oh, that's amazing. Per week. Yeah. Well, we're going to dive into all of that. And thank you for connecting me with them, by the way. So let me give you a proper introduction here, even though you don't need one.

But Dr. Stephen Greer, you just came out the new documentary, The Lost Century, which is number one on iTunes, number one on Amazon, number one on anything else. Google play all the sites. Everything. Number one documentary released. Retired emergency doctor, founder of the Disclosure Project, Documentarian author in leading authority on UFO, UAP intelligence. You've

briefed multiple presidents. You've briefed the agency. You've briefed Congress, I believe recently you presented evidence of the illegal black budget projects related to UFO UAP operations by the US government. And you have 33 years experience working in the UFO, UAP arena. Right, am I missing anything? That's good enough.

But we got a lot to cover, like I said, we got to cover, we need to cover the disclosure project, we need to cover the lost century documentary, a little bit of the whistleblower stuff, your documentary all about zero point energy, fascinating stuff. What I'd like to do is I'm not 100% spun up on some of the things that you were talking about. That I think a lot of the rest of the audience was pretty spun up about. And I don't think my audience is 100% spun up on all of these topics either.

Right. So I just want to go through some basic stuff to help me and the audience understand what we're about to talk about a little bit more when it comes to the black budgets and stuff like that. So a lot of these companies that you know are part of the military industrial complex, if you will, I've had a lot of experience with Lockheed, with Raytheon, with these types of companies, when it comes to field operations and kind of the stuff that I was doing in my arena as a special operator. I don't know about what they're doing and how they play in with this black budget stuff. And so I'd like to go through a couple of companies and just have you just educate me and the audience about it.

And let's start with Lockheed Skunk Works. Well, of course, the Skunk Works, you know, dates back to the 50s and 60s, Kelly Johnson, who's, by the way, UFO encounter report we have is given to us by Lieutenant Colonel Heckert, who knew him, who was our U2 spy plane witness, who encountered these objects as a U2 pilot. But, and then, of course, Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the head of the Lockheed Sconquarks and acknowledged towards the end of his period there that they had technologies that could quote, take ET home. He also stated there were no private conversations anywhere on the

earth, true, no matter what your encryption is. And also he said that anything you imagine, we've already done at the skunk works. Now, there's the skunk works that we deal with, a conventional jet rocket, ramjet type classified aircraft. Right. But then there's another division that is the deep black. I want to make a distinction between the black budget and highly classified legally overseen projects. Here, I'm talking about, you know, there's a guy I'm working with now who literally oversees the black budget of the United States. He was never read in on the UFO or UAP issue.

And when he tried to find out, he went out to the Lockheats Gunk Works. He was showing a bunch of these conventional propulsion systems. He was not shown the ones that are the man-made UFOs that are the elect for robotics, the things that float, boom, 100,000 miles per hour. So I think that that's one of the problems is that there's almost two parallel systems. And there's very little points of intersection between the two, what I call the Constitutional Government of the United States. I just call it the USG, the US government, legal.

And then there's the illegal secret government projects, OK, the ISG. So there are compartmental operations at the Lockheed Skunk Works dealing very specifically with this area of technology, which has nothing to do with rockets, jets, conventional aerodynamics. It has to deal with electro-gravitics, which is the ability to create a very high-voltage system that crosses a electromagnetic field propulsion.

So there's almost like an electromagnetic field bubble around an object. It can levitate, lift, and it can go, you know, mock 300 and never have a sonic boom and no heat on the outer section of it. These are very advanced technologies. Now, those began to be studied back long before I was born, and I turned 68 this week, so you can imagine how long we've had these things. We actually mastered gravity control in October 1954. One of the members of my team for many years was in the vault. He was the top scientist at the Naval Research Labs, the very large Department of Defense

Lab in DC there. I've been in there and he saw the documentation for this. So, and I think what the public, and this is true of the senators and the congressmen in the White House, they are not read in to these other projects. There simply aren't. You know, I had a friend of Trump's tell me over this past weekend

that he said, we just don't tell us much or anything. Very little. So I think that these sort of operations, as Eisenhower warned, have just gotten out of constitutional legal oversight. So I call those illegal secret government projects. But those are in the Lockheats Concourse. So there's facilities out in the desert. If you go out to the Mojave Desert, there's a facility and an underground opening. So the really sensitive facilities are all in underground

skiffs or Dom's deep underground military base facilities and that whole area of California is like a beehive connected underneath with tunnels. Okay. I know where they are. I know people who have worked in them. And remember, are those all lock-ed? No, because those are actually built by bechtail corporation or hit construction. There are a few contractors who build these underground connectors. And for years, they used a nuclear-powered tunneling device that would go through bedrock and just

classify it. So, you'd have a connecting tunnel between, say, Edwards Air Force Base and Nellis range. And you never have to go above the surface. So I'm very familiar with these and where they're located and I've debriefed a number of guys who've been on them. So it's all part of a, let's call it a, a coalition of operations that are corporate, contractor and governmental, but governmental as in off the reservation of legal oversight and constitutional requirements. This is why the Senate and the House are moving quickly to get this under control because about a year and a half ago, we were providing enough information that they now realize that

this is real, that the UEP's UFOs are real, and they're beginning to realize that a bunch of them are ours, but they're being used in deceptive indications and warnings, meaning false flag operations. So this, of course, is the topic I brought up to the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the General Patrick Hughes, way back in the late 90s. I said, look, you guys are being completely zoomed

and deceived by some of these objects you think might be extraterrestrial, but they're ours. So Lockheed has some of those. Lockheed, let's talk about Ray Fion has a certain type of them, usually their trapezoidal or triangular. usually their trapezoidal or triangular, my uncle worked for his whole career at Northrop Grumman. They have ones that are large triangular and other shapes. But so many of these objects that people think they see a UFO, well, it's a UFO to them because they don't know how to identify it. So one of the things we're doing is juxtaposing

an interstellar vehicle, an extraterrestrial vehicle with a man made one, and what are the characteristics and differences? Because operationally and tactically, the Pentagon and the White House in Congress need to know this. Otherwise, they're sitting ducks to be deceived by all manner of nonsense. Who are the other players? So we got Lockheed, Skunkworks, Ray Theon, and Northard Grumman. Is Boeing involved

in this? Yes, there's a division of Boeing that absolutely is involved. General Motors has traditionally Amphorid and General Electric for sure. And EGNG is a major player in this space, as well as Ray Theon and TRW. Booz Allen Hamilton has an aspect that deals with this problem. So are these, and then there was the construction company who's building these underground facilities? The Bechtel Corporation and hit construction. So are these companies competing with each other? They do get into competing bids. It's a very interesting story. One of my whistleblowers who's still too afraid to come forward that I've dealt with

for about seven years was 10 years in the Pentagon and worked in a very classified operation deep underneath the Pentagon. He was read in across 18 of these unacknowledged saps, unacknowledged special access projects, dealing with this issue. And one of the things that happened there, there was a three-star general that was brought into near the Fort Sill, Oklahoma at Loughton. And there was a skiff, an underground facility where we had downed an extraterrestrial vehicle. And this general brought an unauthorized person who was his girlfriend, who was a Booz Allen Hamilton executive, so that she could see what they were studying.

So her group would get a leg up on the competing contract to study how those objects cloak or disappear and reappear. And he was actually CID, criminal investigator division, after having been a mainline military. And I know the general's name, we have all this, has been handed over to the investigators for the US government. But he and that a being demoted a star, but he was never prosecuted because the Department of Justice was blocked from being able to gain access to what it was that he did because

the projects don't exist. I mean, this is very, it gets into very complicated legal and secops, you know, the whole of security around these operations. But because of the extreme level of secrecy, the big problem with the public and the media is they think you're president, you're chair of this Senate committee and what have you, and that there's this vast conspiracy of these kind of people lying to the American public. It's the opposite. There are actually victims, most of them. Now there are a few devils, I'll be quite blind, I'm not going to name them. There are a few devils in the government, we know who they are, who are sort of embedded

operatives to basically gaslight and deceive members of Congress or people in the White House or what have you. And because they have sort of an all-excess pass, they can put themselves in positions of authority, but their authority is based on deceiving the constitutional leadership of the US government. I'd like to get into that as well. Back to the military, industrial, complex companies, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Skumpwork, all these. How many people do you estimate are on these programs within these different companies?

Well, there are thousands. There are thousands of each company, not at each company. Well, it's the bigger ones, very likely. Now, remember, you can have because of top secret special compartmented information protocols, you're going to have a guy at this desk in a queue, but it'll work with something. He'll have no idea what this one's working on. So you have basically an enterprise of people,

they're all working on one project, not realizing what that project is. Correct, okay. They would know, now at the similar senior management and coordination they would, obviously. But it's called the pieces out there. You know, they would have one piece of it. But those can be very valuable sources

of intelligence that I've been meeting with for decades, because they may know just one area, they may have this one sliver of information. I feel like my job has been to do the whole comprehensive intelligence assessment from thousands of pieces, from credible people inside these corporations and in government programs, and put them together into, it's like a scattered puzzle with a thousand pieces. So we got to eventually put it together into the picture. And so sort of one of my tasks has been, is to make that picture come together,

based on specific evidence, whistleblower testimony, documents, everything, which has really been my whole project. I mean, since 1992, 1993, when I briefed the CI Director of 93, we had a comprehensive assessment of the situation, and that's evolved in 30 years, obviously, because we keep getting more granular detail and specific intelligence. And this is what we've been handing over to the US government since they passed the law a couple of years ago, ordering the director of national intelligence

and the Pentagon to report on this. Now, the problem is the people who were put in charge of that to be quite blunt couldn't find their ass in a well-lighted room with both hands. And sorry, my old Southern expression, but they absolutely had no idea about the issue. And you saw last spring, there was a couple of those guys, Dr. Sean Karpatric and an Owen I guy. There before Congress Congress members of Congress

who'd looked at our disclosure project content prior about the Maustrum Air Force Base might not have worked the code of case where there was intercontinental ballistic missiles taken offline. I think it was 18 of them, something like that. And they asked Dr. Karpatric and the other gentleman from Naval Intelligence and they go, well, we've never heard of that.

Well, anyone who would have read the disclosure book that came out in 2001, we have the documents, we have the government official documents, we have the NORAD documents, we have the two witnesses, one who is a NORAD and one who is in the silo, all on the record. Right? Wow. First hand. So now we have a hundred of those that we've already brought out. Go to my YouTube channel.

You'll see 70 of them up there, over 80. The problem is, is that when you're first trying to find out about this, the amount of information, like we're sitting on 8, 9, 10 terabytes of data in my archive that we're trying to organize, we call the disclosure project intelligence archive, a DPIA. And that's what we're putting in organizing and handing off. As soon as we get it to any state and new information I hand off another hard drive to these top secret guys who are trying to find out. But we need to pick up the pace, obviously, because we'll talk about this. There's a clock now been set on this.

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Is he one of them? Oh, of course. I mean, you know, as soon as he emerged on the stage, I had a very senior guy, CIA, who's worked this issue since 1979. Contact me about that problem. But remember, the only way that you can control, at this point, all this coming out, because of what we have and what we're pushing forward through media is to control the narrative, the spin.

So the people coming forward who get an all-access pass on to say 60 minutes or something like that are people cleared by the same illegal corrupt organization because they'll tell the public, yes, the UAPs are real, but we don't know what they are. Well, this is an absolute lie. We absolutely know what they are. Some of them are hours, man-made, and are confused quite frequently with the others, which are of extraterrestrial origin, or ETVs, extraterrestrial vehicles. And those operatives are taught very well to take an issue, grab it, capture it, and then spin it in the direction that they want. Now the direction they want is endless ambiguity.

Gee, we don't know what they are. We don't know what they are. It's nonsense. We've proven what they are. Well, you know, I have 755 whistleblowers. You have 755 whistleblowers. You have 755 whistleblowers. Yeah. I mean, it's, this archive is unbelievable.

You, you had mentioned that you would want to debate Louis Luzondo. Oh, I'd be happy to. I mean, someone brought that up a couple of years ago. I don't have any animus towards him personally. I just know what his role and function is because I was, I was given a heads up on it as soon as he emerged out of the Pentagon

and stood up his operation with this young guy I used to hang with Tom Belong at Blink 182. He stayed up my house in Virginia, but what you expect the counterintelligence and disinformation agents to do is to do exactly that. and disinformation agents to do is to do exactly that. Now remember, all that happened when our documentary unacknowledged, which you can still see on Amazon Prime and everywhere, reached about 750 million viewers. At that point, they said, we need to take this narrative, acknowledge that these are real,

but then change the narrative from the truth, which is what we're putting out, to sort of a fantasy or or sort of a diversion. And then those folks like Chris Mellon and Nick Pope and Elizana would go up on Capitol Hill, whisper into the ears of folks like Senator Rubio of the Intelligence Committee and others. It basically telling them false information, but the false information works when you can put it around something real. Now what was the

real thing? The Tick Tack, you know, the F-18 Hornets chasing off to Coast California, those events that happened that the footage was leaked. It was a vehicle for them to attach that false narrative to it. So you have to understand how counterintelligence and psychological warfare operations are designed. It's very effective. I mean, it is very effective. I would say 90% of people who study UFOs got gas lit. Certainly the US Congress and the media did.

So they're very good at doing it. It doesn't mean that it's right, but I'd be very happy to go TED out TED on that with anybody. Let's talk about, well, I'd love to host that by the way. Great, so do it. So yeah, maybe we can get something going. Although I have to tell you, he's called me a terrorist,

which I find really funny. Oh boy, here we go. Here we go. I've had 30 years of defamation of my character, so I'm sort of bullet proof from it. Yeah, the Stargate program. During your last interview, I saw a lot of comment, there's two programs that I would like you to explain before we

dive into the nuts and bolts of what we're going to. A lot of questions about the Stargate program. Can you enlighten us? Well, you'd have to describe it. That name is not a code word that I've been introduced to from a reliable inside source person who knows. Okay. So here's just to give you an idea of my discipline.

Well, I appreciate the honesty. Thank you. So if somebody has told me about an operation, whether it's a code word, code numbered, or just a general project, then I know has the credentials and we know he was involved directly firsthand, not second, third third fourth hand gossip over the internet. Then I will speak to that. But now if you describe to me what people think Stargate is, I can comment on whether it's got any legitimacy.

Well, from what I've read, people are saying that the Stargate program is doing some kind of experimentation with kids. Oh, well, I mean, that's, it has a different name, but absolutely that's true. And as you know, Mr. Herrera, the Marine, who was at our conference, who I think you'll be speaking with soon, He came across such an operation. He initially thought they were transporting in this man-made UFO drugs. He certainly had weapons, illegal weapons that they were distributing, but those crates that are forensic forensic aerospace artist drew or we had a knock who was there who

had been involved in an operation after that and those were transporting children and women and certain men who had certain keypabilities that would be used in experimental projects Here and in other countries. It's a monstrous program. There's a man who lives right near here who was a CIA operative and was very young, was one of these victims of this. And he wants to come forward, but he's quite frightened. He's already signed affidavits about it. But there's a CIA, Black site 160, not far from Nashville, that was involved in some

of these operations, mostly drugs and drug running, but also trafficking. So, it's a human trafficking operation. It's part of Stargate. Yeah, but you have to understand what it's for. It's not for shits and giggles, excuse me. It's rather. I have to say some of these projects, they're very disturbing. I don't know how much people want to hear this, but it will keep you awake at night. I mean, if you have children, like I do. But they're used in very specific operations and they were selected for certain specific operations and they were selected for certain capabilities, particularly side capabilities. Okay. And those are used in projects that these illegal projects are running for the purpose of communication. So what's coming to my mind right now is remote viewing. Yes. Is that involved in this? It's, but you know, very high-tech way, technologically. Most of the

subjects die as a consequence of what they're made to do, but they have certain aptitudes and abilities for which they are screened and then they are abducted and taken. Now keep in mind, this is also, there are a lot of operations that have related to this. You know recently, there was a whistleblower came out talking about the aliens murdering humans and he was referring to a case that I know for a fact were our operations, these illegal secret government operations that were down in South America.

And they've done it in Africa also, where they have killed innocent people and villages to make it look like an alien attack. Now that information is being now provided to Congressman Tim Berkett and the Senate Intelligence Committee as if those were extraterrestrial events. They have no idea, it's our guys doing it. I'm trying to get Tim on the show. No, he's great, I've met with him. He's in this heart and soul.

Here's the risk though. And if anyone in Congress is watching, I wanna word this very carefully, a little knowledge is a extremely dangerous thing here because this is a hall of smoke and mirrors and deception. You have to then wind this back. What would a clandestine operation have if unsupervised since the late 1950s, where they've had some of the most brilliant scientific minds I've

ever met working these projects. They've had almost an infinite amount of money, trillions of dollars that have gone into the R&D, studying both human breakthroughs and also extraterrestrial vehicles, propulsion systems, communication systems, material science, what things are made of, how they're made. Well, you figure, after 80 years of that, trillions of dollars, you're going to have some payoffs. And these payoffs are in the form of advanced ATE, advanced technologies, and ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles that are the man-made ones. But also, this whole area of nanobiotechnology, consciousness and mind interface technologies,

all manner of weapon systems that are what are called scalar or longitudinal, go faster in the speed of light. It's like an EMP, but on steroids, it has, instead of a wave like this for electromagnetic, it's a straight line that goes out longitudinally. And those are vast from speed of light. And they can be used for interstellar communications, but they can also be weaponized. They've been weaponized.

So they're all mannered. There's a whole constellation again of sciences and technologies. And the CIA science and technology guys, so I met with some of them, that are so far beyond what, let's call it the white world, the legal government, including Lockheed, Northrop Grumman. My uncle never worked on this stuff. He worked on the lunar module, landed on the moon the first time.

That was my mom's oldest brother. And his whole career was with Northern Grumman. He was never read into this other end of it. So one of the things people have to keep in mind, most of the people in the military CIA, special operations, corporate, what have you, who work in that world, are not part of some vast conspiracy. It's incredibly tightly held. But that's, in my view, that's our Kelly's Hill. By definition, it has to be kept pretty small, pretty tight, which makes them vulnerable

if we'll get to this later, if the US government actually has the will to go the distance to get this under control. And they need to get it under control fairly quickly because it's getting out of hand. Let's talk about project blue beam. Can you describe what that is? Well, that's another subculture term that's been attached to a series of projects that

involve what the Pentagon, what they call a deceptive indication in warning or a false sign W, which is a false flag. And it's the ability to stage through very advanced technologies, an alien attack or an alien event. And it's a whole series of them. Now, what most people don't know about since 1950s, early 60s, like the Barney Hill case and all that, those were all human assets abducting innocent people

made to look alien. And so that psychological warfare began with authorized in the in 1953, 1954. 1954 we mastered gravity control. So we started deploying these assets to begin to condition the public that there's a scary threat from outer space. I mean, look at Hollywood, alien, you know, Ridley Scots, the movies. If you want to see a script for what's coming fairly soon, look at the movie Independence Day. It's right at a central casting for this covert group. So what their whole purpose is to create sort of a global

militarized totalitarian superstate of the world fighting another world. It's like world of the worlds Okay, and that's been a 70-year defense plan and I know people who've seen that plan Carol Rossins all the plan who is Werner von Braun Spokesperson who's on our team She's almost 80 now, but brilliant mind and you know when she realized in the 70s that this was what was a foot She her whole life was devoted to trying to get some of these projects under control. But you're, you know, we're little David's

up against a enormous goliath. And nevertheless, you know, the truth that people want the truth, they might want to, the glorious Steinem said, the truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off. But it's time for people to, you free, but first it'll piss you off. It's time for people to actually realize that this is something they have to take seriously. If you add those capabilities to holographic capability, scalar weapon capability, space time systems where you can alter the flow of space time in an area, which

gets into some really, they see I, they call this WSFM weird science and fricking magic. My uncle's company, I met an engineer that dealt with this stuff a couple of years ago and he said, we just call it PFM, pure fucking magic, excuse my language, but that, he says literally, that's what we call it. So you're dealing with technologies that are, and this is the problem I call it the big technology gap between what conventional Pentagon, special forces, joint staff, Senate intel, armed services, House intel, the president, national security people, what they know and what this group has.

So what they know, it's like this is, you know, just to make this real for people. When I was briefing years ago, the admiral in charge of J2, the joint intelligence for joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Wilson, and that memo leaked out where he was debriefed by Dr. Davis and everyone went, oh my god, and it states, and I was there for a stand-up briefing and what they don't know is at the end of it, I asked the Admiral to help us get to the, this is 97, this 26 years ago, and he said, well, I don't know how I'm going to help with something when the best technology I can deploy,

we can deploy, is the B2 stealth. And this other group have objects that can do circles around the B2, and he acknowledged that to me. I said, well, that doesn't mean you can't. He says, well, I can't unless it's authorized. I said, well, word you need the authorization. Well, he felt he needed authorization from the sect F,

who had already been waived off, and the president, which was Clinton at the time, who had also, I have a very interesting story since I saw you, but we knew that Clinton had been approached by George H. W. Bush and told, but out, this is none of your business, dealing with the UFO issue. Because this was one of the very first things Clinton won the know about. Because I knew people who lived at the White House with him. He was very keen on getting to the bottom of it. But the efforts he launched were torpedoed, and he eventually backed off of it. Interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, I know that whole story. It's an ugly story of corruption and power being abused. But he did initially want to really find out what was going on. And it was sincere effort. And there was an entire special operation stood up around getting that. But I have a very famous Hollywood agent and a superstar who was in a limo with, I don't use their names with Clinton, every left office, and they asked about the UFO issue and the president said, oh yes, he says, but I was told by George H. W. Bush

that this was none of my business and but out. And it was made very clear. You're just the, you're, you're only the president. You get the drift. So, you know, now, obviously, if we're going to have a constitution, the rule of law, and a democratic republic, that kind of thing cannot stand. But because of the power and the money behind this group, it has stood. And, you know, years ago, in 93, I was at the Riggly mansion, and I'll tell you Sean, it was a very interesting meeting. It was like late at night, 10, 11 o'clock at night, and it was a conference room for the suits. And they approached me, and this is the fall of 93, just before I breathed, C.I. director director Wolsey. And they said, look, you don't need to be talking.

They knew all about this meeting that was going to happen. And I, you don't need to be talking to the president and the CI director about this. They don't know anything, and they're not going to know anything. If you want to know, you talk to us. We're the WFO. We're the work for other contractors. We're the people who

are working on these technologies and doing the technology transfer. And then they were trying to convince me to side with what they were doing. And I said, no, I said, this is a corrupt enterprise. And then he offered that he says, you're a doctor, you can take out as many credit cards as you want, we'll zero them out each month because we run the supercomputers that back up the entire banking system. And we can get an infinite amount of money through certain techniques. And so we'll just zero them out. I said, then you're going to own me, aren't you? Because isn't that credit card fraud? I'm banking fraud. He says, no, we're just trying to help. You say, how do you say? This is an absolutely true story. You put me on the sodium pentathol light detector. But at the end of it, he said,

look, we have given it, this is, now remember, this is 30 years ago. We have given at least 10,000 people, $10 million a piece or more to secure their cooperation with this project. Wow. And that was 30 years ago. Now, money is no object if you're printing the stuff up and you're running drugs and you're trafficking and you're siphoning all from the legitimate black budget, which there is a legitimate black budget. It's overseen by the president

and the key people in the Congress. We're totally legitimate. But a lot of money from that is siphoned off and is through overbilling to the government into these illegal projects. It's absolutely embezzlement. So we can prove this, by the way, and I have people who've seen it happen. But I think that when you look at that and you go, okay, well, this is where the center of power is. The center of power is not in the Congress

and it's not in the White House and it's not in the legal constitutional government or the main part of the Pentagon or agency It's in this group and it's a mass so much power and wealth and technology that it is and I'll be blunt a threat to all life on earth It's a threat. It's way greater threat than China or Iran or Russia ever. And I think people have to take this what I just said very seriously because all these other skirmishes, even if there were a couple of nukes detonated, nothing compared the risk this group poses given the technologies they possess and the intention to use it in a malevolent way. But they could stampede the whole world, although it's a trajectory that would be an Armageddon

scenario. So unfortunately, these people are serious about it. They're whacked out, I my opinion. One of the knock I recently met with, he says, yeah, well, even in this world, then he's been in this super black, dark world in very high up, relatively high up, mid-level, anyway. And he said, the wait for the folks who are these really super rogue operators, the recruiter for being in sociopaths or psychopaths. Now he says, I was recruited because I was willing to kill on behalf of the country or what's

right, but not being a sociopath to do it for the good. If you're going to use lethal force or any technology, these folks running these projects are a subset of people who are screened who are in fact sociopaths and psychopaths. I'm using this clinically as a doctor, is 4.5% of the US population are sociopaths and psychopaths. So, I mean, and the ones that are high functioning are identified to move over into these rogue operations. Interesting. Yeah. Smart.

Extremely smart. Yeah. Um, let's take a quick break. True. And then we're going to get into the disclosure project. Thank you for listening to the Sean Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to iTunes, and leave the Sean Ryan show review. We read every review that comes through, and we really

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All right, Dr. Girl, we're back from the break. I forgot to give you a gift. Every time the last time I forgot to do this, okay, we just get to go and get fast. Well, thank you. You're welcome. I would get back for winning the contest for the, whatever it is I've done. Thank you. You're welcome. So those in there are the got the Vigilance League gummy bears. Oh good.

Legal in all 50 states believe it or not. And I got you hat too. Thank you. Let's move on. So. Oh good. You're in disguise me up now. So I got a question from

a friend of mine. I tried to connect you guys. I don't know if you guys connected or not, but my friend Chris Beck. And he just said an idea to run by you. Does this line, does this theory line up with UFO sightings? And then the question is, is it easier to see UFOs in grays in early hours, one hour before sunrise, to an hour after sunrise. The ultraviolet of the sun is, it, little, the ultraviolet of sun is highest in these hours. To see, repies is hour before and hour after sunset because infrared is highest in these hours? Well, actually, it really depends on what modality they're operating in.

So what that means is an interstellar vehicle. Now, this distinguish between the ones that we have versus the ones that are interstellar, they can phase in and out of this, say, 3D instantaneously. So you could have one right over your building right here. No sensor would pick it up because it's actually shifted the frequency of it out of linear space time. So this is why I call transdimensional physics. And then in an instant, nanosecond, it could be 3D or it could be something in between. So it was a little bit if you've ever had a real stat for a dimmer switch or something,

you can make it brighter, dimmer, turn it all the way off. So those technologies allow for an object to be fully in 3D or shifted dimensionally, literally, into another dimension and back. are shifted dimensionally, literally, into another dimension and back. Now these are not interdimensional, they're more transdimensional because their origins are another star system. They're also interdimensional objects and those are things from another dimension that is not from the material cosmos, but they can be confused with some of the extraterrestrial phenomena. It's a very complex thing. So in terms of seeing these objects, I think people, you know, when it's not super bright in the sun,

you're going to see more an object that's going to be silhouetted than in bright, bright sunlight. Okay. And the other issue, I think, is that the ones that we have can also operate in a way where they are substantially have an electromagnetic field around them that can kind of close them, but under certain lighting conditions and radiation, let's call it infrared ultraviolet, it depends on the condition, you can get a glimpse of them as they're moving. So I think that this gets into understanding the underlying technology and physics

of how these objects work. And that's why when we're doing our expeditions where we're going out, making contact and looking, we have a whole set of protocols and I train people in what to look for, what the phenomenon might be. You know, if you're having cameras, whether it's settings, I don't do camera work, and full disclosure, I'm an idiot with cameras, but so that you have it set properly. And also know what to look for.

But I think that the technology determines more than the time of day, but the time of day might facilitate. That's why I think when it's still light, but it's not bright light, and that spectrum, you'll see an object more easily. But I think it has to do with, I don't think it has to do with the actual innate occurrence. I think it has to do with what we can see. What we can see with these things. Okay.

That makes a lot of sense. When you're talking trans-dimensional, what... how do I even ask this? When we're talking other dimensions, what does that mean? Well, the universe, let's call it the cosmos, you know, is described by astrophysicists as sort of this 3D thing. Now, if you look at quantum entanglement and the concepts of a universe being a holographic conscious entity, which it is. Then you start talking about not just material, but you're also talking about other dimensions that are at refined levels of frequencies and vibration.

So the speed of light, the speed of electrons, atoms, what have you, all of that would pertain to what we call the 3D, 3D dimensional. If you were to cross over that in frequencies, and this is, again, where you start getting into some very strange WSFM, like I mentioned, phenomenon, then you're talking about other embedded dimensions, but it's not like it's some distant place that's folded within. So, you know, a hologram, if you look at a hologram of Marilyn Monroe with her dress blowing up, you know, like that.

If you were to just zoom in on one little piece of that dress on the edge of her skirt, you and zoom in on it, the entire image would be in there. And zoom in again, it's holographic. So, you have to kind of get your mind around the cosmos is this conscious quantum hologram. And so there are many, many, many dimensions, not just this plane of three dimensions that is all infoted within it. So a lot of the confusion happens where everything like a

something weird like a poltergeist event will be conflated with something extra-trest real. Well, it isn't. You know, it was someone who like in the ER, I had this happen once. I'm guy that was killed, couldn't save him, you know, his murder and he was angry and three in the morning, he started taking all the stuff out of the cabinets, but he wasn't there. It was just his spirit, weird stuff. So that kind of phenomenon isn't extraterrestrial, it's interdimensional. You see what I'm saying?

I do. Okay, so I'm trying to do some very kind of crude analogies, but the confusion comes in is that if you're an interstellar capable civilization, which means you're going from point A in the cosmos to here, B, it's like if if this were a piece of paper, you're not going a straight line across the paper, you're folding the paper being space-time. Oh, okay. And so these two points are here. I'm enlightened now.

And so, but in the process of doing that, this sort of bending and altering space time, you then bump up against and cross these other dimensions. And this is sort of the intersection between what some people call metaphysics and physics, or the conscious worlds and the worlds of light, if you will, and the mystics would call astral, and extraterrestrial technologies. And it's a very interesting intersection. I find that the most interesting part of this whole subject, but it quickly, you get to be, you go in the crazy town way too quickly with a lot of people out there

who don't know enough to talk about it intelligently, in my opinion, but it's also dangerous. And here's why it's dangerous. Those capabilities can be technologically stimulated to occur. It's like the skin walker ranch. It's this, after a certain cell of this covert group, got hold of that thing, they started setting up phenomenon

there. It was absolutely man-made, high-end electronics, but interdimensional. It's like to show stranger things, I've never seen it, but that's based on some weird stuff that went on at Montauk, on Eastern Long Island, the Montauk projects. And we know what those are. I know guys who have been in laboratories where they have a a Torroyd or one of these devices, and suddenly they're pulling in spooky looking creatures that look like they came out of the 9th ring of hell, and they literally become 3D and are running around the lab.

Weird stuff. All right, so the high end of the WSFM is this sort of thing, but that can be used in a deceptive indication and warning. It can be used in a way that everyone on planet earth would think that it's alien and it isn't. I see what you mean. Okay, so this is the real danger in all of this, not being disclosed and known, particularly by policymakers in the government and Pentagon, all these folks, is that they're not going

to be able to be so easily gaslit and deceived by people, presenting all kinds of phenomena plural as extraterrestrial when it isn't, because they have mastered the ability of this what's called stagecraft, that's literally what's called in some circles. And this gets back to this whole question of Project Blue Beam, where they could stage, but what their capabilities are way beyond what most people think they are. And I began working with some of these geniuses back in the early 90s that I met who in late 1950s and 60s had figured this out. So the electronics and the very high in electromagnetic field systems that can do this were unpacked pretty

well by between 1955 and 1965 in that decade. So with the different dimensions, so there's another dimension in this room right now. And within this room, it's the inf infoldment, is quantum entanglement. So you know what, but Einstein called the spooky effect, you know, where the same particle will be in two places at once. But visualized that at every point in space and time, at this level of quantum entanglement, you have access to any other point in space and time, but also these other dimensions, up to and including the most rarefied, what some people would call the conscious being, the unbounded consciousness.

It's all folded within this in what I call the real cosmology, understanding the cosmology, which is way beyond astrophysics, current astrophysics. But I think that's the part of this, where when you start experimenting with and reverse engineering and extraterrestrial vehicle, their communication systems are not based on the speed of light like our cell phones, right, or video. They're based on this understanding of the cosmos, because they've lived for millennia in that understanding.

And so this is why we talk about the fact that they have technologies that interface with directed thought. I call it technology-assisted consciousness and consciousness that assists the technology so they can interface bioelectric field and thought and they navigate the spacecraft. Shit, really, really cool stuff. I mean, Elon Musk is trying to do some stuff with neural link, but he's still using wires and at the speed of light. But the idea would be the same, that your thought could actuate to a technological interface that would then not only be used in communication because what's that? The speed of thought versus the speed of light.

But think about why that's so important. If you're from the Andromeda Galaxy, which is 2.5 million light years from here, at the speed of light, your cell phone, it would take two and a half million years for a signal to get there, and another two and a half million years for them to answer, and you hear it, five million years. So when I talk about this, I say, there are certain technological thresholds you have to have crossed if you're an extraterrestrial interstellar civilization. Those technologies have... if you're an extraterrestrial interstellar civilization. Those technologies have, the good news is we understand them

and they could be used to great purpose on earth, energy generation, healing, all kinds of things, medical, but right now they're in the hands of the worst group associates have ever lived, and they dwarf by far Stalin or Hitler in terms of their intention and their capabilities way beyond. It's not the buffoonery of the Third Reich, it's the high tech, very dangerous end. Now this is this to me as a doctor, I tell people this is like a knife or

so you know I can use a knife to put butter on my bread or I can use it to slate your throat. Now so technology is neutral. It's the it's the consciousness and the intention of those who wield it, who have it. In this situation right now, it's the worst of all worlds. Because you have the most amazing, wonderful technologies in the hands of the worst group ever that have quite a bit of malice and intention. So this is what I think has to be fixed. And that's why the disclosure project is trying to move this along first. Yes, now we've established UFOs are real. Well, that was known in the 50s, 60s and 40s. But now what's behind all that? Unpacking all the detail. And the reason the scientific

end of this is so important, even for operations, is that this group of illegal covert human projects, they have surveillance, communication systems, transport systems and sciences that are been rich the week before he died, told James Goodall, you heard him at our conference. Last, when the last men that talked to him, he says anything that you've seen in Star Trek and can imagine we've done at the Lockheats

Conquworks. And he said not at that not at Area 51, but at the Desert Base. Down the ground facility. Let's get into the disclosure project. For 100 plus years, advanced technology has been seized, isolated and hidden away. This is suppressed, the advancement of technology and human progress. The disclosure project archives include government documents from the United States, Canada, Australia, Russia, and the UK, 145 top secret Witness accounts for military, corporate and government sources,

121 UFO crash or trebles. Yep, that's all on our archive. What is some of the 145 top secret facilities that you know about? Well, you know, everyone's hospital area 51. That's an old one. It's still operational. And particularly, you know, S3, S4, Puth, Mesa, out in groomed lake. Are these in the US? Yeah, this is, this is Nellis, Nellis, you know, that one. And that's operational has been since the 50s. A more state of the art one is actually in the Dugway Proving Grounds, which is in Utah.

Is this the one that you disclosed at the conference? Yes. I'm going to put a picture up of it right now. Yeah. And so that facility, there's something called the Avery Sector, AV-ERY, where there are these assets. There's an extraterrestrial vehicle that was being studied there when one of our witnesses, I think he was there in 2009 when that object had been downed.

They're downed by these electromagnetic pulse weapons because the ET craft were completely electromagnetic. So a kinetic weapon would not be so effective, missile or a laser, but an electromagnetic pulse or scalar weapon stuns them and they'll come down. Sometimes they crash, sometimes they're intact. If they're intact, then you have the whole thing to study. And that's where this man was in a facility where they had an entire intact one. And then there's a vast underground facility there. So they're downing these aircraft with basically a directed EMP weapon?

Yes, but a more sophisticated than the legal constitutional government would know about, because you're going to add to normal EMP, let's call it a supercharged part of it that's scalar, what I mentioned before, where it's a point that goes out longitudinally without the waveform. So that's why you know, light propagates at 186,000 miles every second. These are not limited that way, because it's a point that goes out straight line. It's still what I'm saying?

Yes. So now you're bypassing, you're exceeding the speed of light. It's essentially teleportation. That's different. We'll get into that if you want to. But no, I'm talking about just a type of energy weapon. But it can also be used for communication. And I think in the old days

in the early 20th century, mid 20th century, there were people who stumbled across and test the road about scalar ways. So hold on, can be used further. So this isn't a point A to point B line. It's not linear, it's not a linear weapon. If I shoot a gun, the bullet goes, you can see it. Right.

You know, and if I shot a laser, you could see it. You know, travel from point A to point B. Are you saying that these weapons do not, well, they go from point A to point B, but bypassing a linear space time meaning They're they're in the entangled Quantum so quantum entanglement basically is where Every point in space and time is connected through what's called quantum entanglement

So when you have a quantum scalar weapon then you're able to target an object at multiples of the speed of light. And those weapons are, they're very dangerous because one of the things we have to be careful of is while these civilizations that are extraterrestrial, or I mean, to me, they're the equivalent of Gandhi that they haven't struck back at all. But I'll be honest with you, the more these weapons get perfected

and you get into multiple generations of them, the more humans are a risk to other planets. Well, with these weapons, I'm trying to understand this. Yeah. And I think I have at least a grasp of quantum entanglement. So what you're saying, so every point of space and time is connected through whatever atoms, which I'll just call that. Yeah, but with no time delay.

And so if I was to use one of these energy weapons, let's just say for me to you, six feet apart, and I use this energy weapon at the exact same time to an object that's 75,000 miles away. It would be the same time interval. It would be, take the amount of time. It would be the exact same amount of time. Right. Okay.

That's what I thought. So, how does that differentiate from teleportation? teleportation is actually the movement of an object from point to A to B. Okay. Okay. Not just the energy. So, you take this bottle and you... Do it that way.

It's in the same category of transdimensional physics and advanced physics and technologies. The real action is in the electromagnetic and magnetic spin, all of that. The people who understand this, who have worked on these technologies and have had them in their labs. And I've been in some of these labs, is a fascinating technology. And if it was used for something good, we'd have a whole new planet here. I mean, it'd be phenomenal. Beautiful. Wow. Well, that's what the law century, the documentary that we just released, is all about a hundred years of these sort of technologies that have been sequestered and confiscated, and how if they were disclosed, we would have a world with no pollution, no poverty, and no energy issues in terms of energy shortage, because you'd be pulling energy out of the fabric

of space time in the so-called zero point or quantum vacuum from this quantum level. And that's what Tesla snubbled across. I mean, he'd call it that, because the physics of it weren't fully elaborated, but he saw the effect of it. We're going to get into that. We're going to get into the documentary for now back to the underground facility. That's a big one in Dougway. This gentleman first hand had not been in it.

He has the name of a senior scientist, US government that was at the Dugway facility. And he said that the complex, its underground goes out, it's about 1,300 square miles, not acres, miles. 1,300 square miles. Yeah. What's in there? All this stuff. The technologies, the craft, operations.

We know that I had a man who had special night vision, he was special operations and embedded, but he was a scientist. And he was out there, and we hours, there were these massive triangular objects, silent, launching from that area, but underground, and would come out over the range. No lights on them, totally fully operational. And those are one category of the man-made advanced technology platforms, or alien reproduction vehicles, some people call them. There are quite a few out there at Dougway.

These government documents from the US, Canada, Australia, Russia and the UK, what are some of those documents? Well, they run the whole gamut. For example, I have a document, wasn't declassified, but it was provided to me by a source from Area 51, Nellis, and it lists as of the early 90s. I got it in the 90s, all the code numbers and code names that were on a security alert because there were a group of civilians who were trying to spy on the range where they had to shut everything down because it was a large group and it was a

security alert but it was an NRO document, National Reconnaissance Office document. And it had key names on it. It had a match eye on it. The majority joined Intelligence Committee or Magic. It had cosmic ops on it, royal ops. It had blackjack control on it. It had key actionable intelligence. And that's one of the documents I gave to some of the folks in the White House over the years were Pentagon, because it's a legitimate document that actually gives specific code word and numbers

that were out into that particular area. And it's still there. I mean, there's not like you pick up an asset like that, numbers that were out into that particular area. And it's still there. I mean, there is not like you pick up an asset like that and move it to where. So we know where they are. And that's why our 145 facilities, I've just learned of a new one

that we'll be putting on that map soon. I'm supposed to be taken there. Where is this? I can't say where, but right now. Can we put the map up? Yes, you put the map up. You'll see many of them replace as people know. They know Edwards Air Force space, but where?

Where you go to at the Nellis range is a huge range, the Air Force space. And then the Nevada test site, which is where we tested nuclear weapons going north, but out there there's some very key assets. And there's a Delta Force helo base out there that's used for retrieving extraterrestrial vehicles and retrieving down accidentally crashed manmade ones at malfunction. So we have a man on our team who was on a retrieval operation initially for conventional aircraft jets for their classified components. And then he got read into an operation retrieving the man-made ones, which blew his mind, the Raytheon and Northrop ones. Then he got

read into the ones that are, you know, he was on one operation where we stunned one of these extraterrestrial vehicles. It's when I showed at the event. And it didn't crash. It got stunned and landed out there on the range than the Vatattess range. And they were moved in and he loves to retrieve it. And that interesting account of that, it began to come back to life, and an opening came out of it and it looked like a fruit roll-up came down, and a couple of extra

trestials emerged that he had, he literally was in three or four feet of them. We have the drawing of them of what they look like. But what happened is that at that point, that craft was being checked by helicopters in the air as well as one of these ARVs, man-made ones, the triangular. When this thing began to sort of glow at reddish and come to life, boom, our aircraft took off. Now the boots on the ground there and the choppers on the ground after a few minutes. They were all, I know this sounds like Star Trek. They were all teleported back to the helo base. Instantly. Holy shit. Oh yeah. They weren't harmed. None of them were harmed. But apparently this whole event convinced this particular

But apparently this whole event convinced this particular operator to get out of that system because he knew what he, since from these ET's was that they were completely benign, very much here to help us and we were doing horrible things to them. And they also said, we know what you're doing, we're not going to allow you to do this much longer. It was sort of a warning. That happened in 2000 and, um, with that was 2010, 11th time period. What's your goal at the disclosure project? Well, our goal is, first of all, to get this information to the key policymakers and people

in the government who have responsibility for our national security, but also in other countries as well, and to the public so that they understand the difference, in my opinion, between the false information being pervade, which is the dominant information that's out on the internet and Hollywood and shows, and the real information that needs to be understood by the public so that the public isn't to see. So we have both an internal governmental objective to guide the government in understanding this and getting them as much detailed actionable intelligence as possible.

The details, and this is how they've gotten this far the reason the bill that was just came out of committee and the intelligence committee It's because they now understand if you read that bill that is given sort of a safe harbor six months amnesty period for these corporations and people to come forward Or they'll be prosecuted that is in the bill that left committee and or they'll be prosecuted, that is in the bill that left committee. I've been pushing for this for a long time. The first time I recommended it was in 1993 to Bill Clinton, and nobody wanted to do it. Now it's going to happen, but that's the clock.

The disclosure project subjective is to give the legal government of the United States that we have allegiance to, and that we the people, the public, the information so that these rogue and very criminal activities can be brought under proper supervision and control, access control. And that's not the case right now. And it's dangerous that it isn't. So it's a very big step that first in December, they signed this law allowing whistleblowers

to come forward through the Pentagon process, which is a top secret skiff situation. But now this bill is going to explicitly state that these corporations, anybody having exotic materials, clearly referring to extraterrestrial type materials, technologies, bodies, those have to be disclosed and turned over to the legal U.S. government or they will then be subject to prosecution criminally. So that's a six-month window now, so that clock is started. That's a six month window now. So that clock has started. That's a six month window. Yep. And you're also gonna make all of this,

which a lot of it already is, open source information. Yes, if we could get some. You have to imagine myself and my wife and a few volunteers trying to scan, organize eight, 10 terabytes of data, and then create a database system that's searchable, and then eventually get it on the internet. Now what we do have to redact. The unredacted archive I'm giving to the top investigators in the Congress and the Pentagon

group. The White House got a redacted version because they're not really leaning into this much yet. Which they should be, but I have someone in the White House military office that we're providing information to, but the redacted one just to be clear, the only thing we're holding back are the personal

names of these hundreds of whistleblowers who don't want their names known, except when there's certain conditions. And also, they're, you know, like they're, if they have a DD214 and I'm not going to release in a non-secure manner. So the folks who have the unredacted, those go into a skip, they go into a vault, they have it. Now, I will say, on the record, anyone who says the US government is not in possession of all the facts

and the actual intelligence to get to the bottom of this, is a liar or ignorant. They're either a liar or they're ignorant because that was handed off three weeks ago all of it So there's actually no excuse now The only excuse they'd have now is that they're part of a cover-up in which case they should be prosecuted And I'm saying even the people in the arrow office in the Pentagon They either move on this and do it with integrity or they should be prosecuted

Let's move into your new documentary, The Lost Century. Sure. It's all about advanced technology. It's been for 100, how it's been around for over 100 years, but kept secret. Zero point energy. We have a lot of people call free energy is also called the quantum vacuum.

This would basically eliminate the need for fossil fuels, utilities, wins or, yeah. Wins, every means to power that we have now would make it completely obsolete. It would be unlimited, clean, and free energy. And we've had it for a hundred years. How do we...

So let's get into this. How did you discover this stuff? Well, it was an outgrowth of me looking into the UFO UAP issue, because once you realize these objects are real, three-dimensional, the very first question actually when I go up to Capitol Hill or someplace, I'll put up the footage that the Pentagon said, this is a real 3D object, infrared sensors, no heat, no jets, no rockets, and certainly no nuclear power plant on it, because I mean, those things are hot, right? There have been nuclear power deorocraft in satellites. But I said, how is that moving at those speeds and then straight up against gravity?

This is the alternative energy and propulsion systems. So I always tell people, forget all the mythology and everything, it's an alternative energy system. Now, it's a very advanced one because it also flies. Now, to be really clear, I am not advocating, not the release of the things that fly yet. Why? It's a missile delivery system. So, you don't really want to open source an electromagnetic anti-gravity system that allows terrorists in Mogadishu to get a dirty bomb

over downtown DC in two or three seconds. Right? No. But the things that would sit at your house, like your heat pump, or in the hood of your car that would run your car or your factory or your business or your home, those devices that are not things that fly, those that just pull in energy from the fabric of space time around it. And physicists have estimated that the volume of space and a coffee mug has enough potential energy to boil off all the oceans of the world. Is that much latent energy? So tapping into it to run the entire United States, the whole world, be like taking a thimble of water out of the great lakes.

So it is what, you know, Tesla caught it the infinite energy field. And it began to be discovered, if you look at it all the way back, but as soon as you step into the reality, the three-dimensional reality of these UAPs and UFOs, you immediately begin talking to people, and this is what happened to me in the early 90s, to people who know the physics of the energy systems, because these things are not using oil gas, coal, nuclear, whatever you. So, it's a natural extension of the problem.

And I point out to people, one of the central reasons for the secrecy that got out of control under Eisenhower's last four years as president was because once they realized how this works, they realized the big industrialist and financial and global money to people, banking. This would be the end of that entire sector of the macroeconomic system. Well, that would have been great if it had been transitioned before I was born in 1955, because look at the world we have now. But it really could have started coming out in the early teens and 20s. If you look at the documentary, the law century, the subcaption is and how to reclaim it. We talk about how

we need to come together as a people and develop these energy generation systems and open source them, meaning that it's no patent, no intellectual property held back at the first level of this, because the patent office will seize it. We prove that in the documentary. We have a national security order on a patent that a scientist I know submitted. We took his name off of it. So the question is, are there some people who can financially put up the funds and it needs to be a substantial amount, 50 to 100 million to start, to create a high energy physics lab

that develops this and gets it out to the public no intellectual property whole back. Or if there was that much funds, we could go to some of these scientists who probably have these and say, look, we want to just acquire this. You'll be, here's $10 million, now go and relax. Let us move this out to the public. You can't do it. Most of these engineers and scientists and inventors think they're going

to do it the way they do a new software program. And they're going to try to monetize it through an intellectual property protections in patent. you cannot do that with this, because the system is so completely weaponized and corrupt. And I'm talking from the patent office on. That the only way to do it is to do an open source release of it massively through the internet blockchain. So that's what we're doing. But the technology, if you go, if you look at this documentary, you'll see this trajectory. There's a great photograph with Nikola Tesla with this engineer farmer, self-taught guy, I believe it was 1908 or 1902, the caption. And this guy had like an earth battery, he had some metallic stakes and wires in the ground.

He was pulling resonant in it. It was running as far. Wow. I mean, even my father, you ground, he was pulling resonant in it. It was running in his farm. Wow. 90. I mean, even my father, you know, I was in a life. He was born in 1916. This was before my dad, who was hand-to-hand combat, World War II with the Japanese and Fibius landing unit.

But, you know, I'm going, what the heck? You know, we have our planet. Half the planet's population doesn't have indoor plumbing. Three billion people have no way to cook their food. They're cutting down the rain forest. Three billion. The biosphere, even if you don't think climate change is real, five million people die

from breathing particulate matter, soot all over the world from this noxious stuff we keep burning. So we need to take care of our creation, the earth and our future. And it isn't gonna happen with a windmill and a solar panel, believe me. No way you're gonna run eight billion people off of those technologies. We're going to have to have innovative,

high-tech solutions to the energy and environmental and poverty problems. I mean, love, you know, I just wanna backtrack on that real quick when you're talking about people dying from inhaling these particles and these chemicals and shit. I mean, you know, this is, this unfortunately is a touchy subject, you know, the pollution and climate change and all this shit. But what I can attest to, that is 100% fact, is what you just said.

Because I've been to these parts of the world. I've spent over a decade in these parts of the world, and you see one, you see all these veterans coming home, dying of weird cancers from shit that they breathed in overseas. And I can tell you, in the winter time in Afghanistan, the suit is so thick in the air that if you go outside for, I mean, we're talking just five minutes.

And you go back inside and spit in the sink or spin in whatever. Blown nose. You're going to spit gray. Right. And. But those fine particles get into your lungs and then your circulatory and heart and calls a huge number of problems. Not just cancer, but I'm talking heart, lung disease. So why are we doing that when these technologies have existed? Now this

same corrupt organization because it doesn't just deal with one issue, have been responsible for basically hoovering up, vacuuming up all these technologies for 100 years. I know people personally, personally, who have been murdered because they had one. And it's because they vary against my advice, AMA, against medical advice, against their own security interest. They wanted to keep a secret. And they thought they were going to be so clever and they

were going to outfox this big super state of thugs. I'm going to do it. You have no idea what you're up against here. And then they think they're going to do encryption and keep it secret. I'm going, oh my god, you think this group needs to worry about an electromagnetic encryption when they can target a volume of space anywhere and extract anything being said? I mean, I mean, I mean, it's, you know, and it's, I understand it because if you're in the normal engineering world, you're not going to know this. It's hard to believe it, but I said, you know, if you don't believe it, just wait.

You're going to be dead or it'll be confiscated. Then you're lucky if all they do is come in and kick your door in, hit you with a national security order and drag it off. That's your best outcome. That's your best case scenario. If you do it the conventional way. So I go, look, it's like what is that same attributed Einstein, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

The reason I can prove that the strategy most people use doesn't work is that we can prove these technologies have been around for over 100 years and you and I are still tied into a coal fired or gas fired power grid, right? So if the strategies, if the conventional business and technology strategies were gonna work, they would have worked before you and I were born.

So we need to have different thinking about this strategically. So what we're saying is all of these technologies, if they're used for peaceful purposes, would really give us a whole new civilization. Beautiful. Now, the downside is, given what humans are, we like to take any new technological breakthrough

and weaponize it. But the truth is, they've already done that. We've already weaponized these things. How do you think that these, the anti-gravity technology that's using gravity as a power source? How is that happening? Do you have a brief explanation? I really think it's gravity control and gravity wave control. As far as power source, I think the power source is better described as this quantum vacuum energy or zero point energy. So it's like two separate things but are related.

So you can have a zero point energy system or a free energy system. It doesn't move and it's not affecting gravity. But at a certain resonant frequency and power and has to do with vortices, torroidal energy patterns, you can then cause what I call mass cancellation. Where an object literally takes on weightlessness. Now, if you go back in the documentary we touch on this, all the way back to the T-Towns in Brown, and what was later called the B-Fill Brown effect. In the late 1920s, he took a very high-voltage system

at a very certain, with wires around a crystalline material, and it levitated, just floated. Now, that was almost 100 years ago, late 20s. That was then the Kalski Frost experiment in Germany around the same time confirmed it. Later, the whole B-Field Brown effect studying very high voltage VHV systems began to be increasingly studying and classifying the 30s and 40s. By the time War War II ended, Adolf Hitler had a dis-shaped, electric-rovidic, but it wasn't stable, which is why he could never use it in the war. But it was brought back to America by Paul

Mellon and Patten, General Patton, and Alan Dulles. But so that device actually became a very important object to study at the end of World War II. And of course, that technology got advanced greatly by studying the extraterrestrial materials that we also were beginning to acquire by using electromagnetic weapons to down the ET craft. So you had two rivers of technology being developed from the 20s, 30s, 40s that intersected with the extraterrestrial technologies, and they hybridized them.

So that's what happened between 1945 and 55 that decade. How many different ways do you think is... how many different ways are there to harness this kind of energy? Oh, I think there are dozens. How did Tesla do it? Tesla, I think, was actually capturing resonant magnetic field energy of the Earth. That's almost boundless. So there are a lot of quote free energy approaches. I think the ones that use these very high voltage systems that create a vector a tap, as it were,

into this quantum vacuum energy and zero point energy field. Those began to be stumbled across, but sort of episodically as a phenomenon back in the late 1800s, because that was the heyday when they were first discovering electromagnetism. And I think Maxwell and Ferrett, some of these guys stumbled across this, so they didn't know what it was. You were getting more energy out than you had to put in. So I think you can have a rotational coil-based device, Floyd Sweet, who we feature in the movie, had a solid state device that was about this big

that could run a 300 horsepower electric engine for your car. No other batteries, the little teeny. Yeah, you had video of that. Yep, we had a video of it. It was tested by a Lieutenant Colonel Tom Bearden, who the very dear friend of mine just passed away. He handed off all of what he knew about this to us. We have a file that was a CIA operative named Sejake that I knew, but he had a guy I know

named John Badini, who was allowed to copy a bunch of confiscated patents. And we have that disk. So we need to send up a research lab to do this and get to the bottom of it, I think Sean, very quickly because we need to do it. Look, if this technology came out in the next year or two by a group that could just put it out open source it, thousands of companies would then adopt it

and we'd be able to really transform the trajectory of the planet. Now, there are gonna be certain losers in that process, like any new technology, oil, gas, coal, centralized public utilities, they'll all have to be retired. But keep in mind, it's gonna take 15 years to do this. You know, your car and my car, running, if you have a conventional vehicle, 100 million vehicles

are made a year. There are 1.5 billion motor vehicles on the road worldwide. That's 15 years if you waved a magic wand and converted every manufacturing entity to a zero-point electric system. That's not going to happen. So it's going to take a couple of decades to make this transition anyway. It should have happened a hundred years ago. Why do you think so many UFOs spottings are happening around these nuclear sites.

Well, we know the answer to that. And of course, he didn't get to go into a Lieutenant Colonel Heckert, who was the YouTube pilot, who was there. He dealt specifically with this information, dealing with the extraterrestrial concern over nuclear facilities. And it's multiple reasons. One, they're very concerned that we would actually do something that could threaten the life of biological life on Earth. Obviously, mutual sure destruction would do that.

And believe it or not, these civilizations are very positively concerned with the human future. But they're also, secondarily, maybe equally concerned about containing the warlike nature of humans from being exported out into space. Now, the nuclear issue, when you detonate a nuclear device or there's an accident. Everyone knows one of EMPs. We've talked about electromagnetic pulse. There's also a type of scalar pulse that goes out

that literally rips through space time that disrupts interstellar communication and travel. This is why I was talking to Gordon Criton, who is an MI6 guy and a military intelligence guy in the United Kingdom, who's passed away, but he's one of our witnesses. He used to publish flying saucer review that Prince Charles and Prince Philip subscribe to.

Interesting. But what he said was basically when we did that, the first atomic bomb explosion, it actually was like kick and a hornet's nest because, now, teller, Edward Teller and Oppenheimer, they didn't know that when one of those things would go off, that it would create this kind of pulse, not electromagnetic pulse, but this other wave that actually goes through the entangled cosmos in a way that is highly disruptive to other civilizations, communications,

and travel. So, this began to be a huge red flag when up over the earth, warning. This is a group of primitive emerging civilization that is a threat to themselves and to threat to others out there. They don't even know how threat, what a big threat this is. So the whole nuclear issue is what caused the modern era of UFO ET-related events to take place because I think they've obviously been watching the earth and been involved in seeing its development for millennia. There's good evidence for that.

I mean, they're cave, they're cave drawings from 5,000 years ago that been carbon-dated to that age. They show a classic disc and it would look like ET beans outside of it from France and Indian all over. So I don't think it's not as if they didn't know we were here. It's that when we hit that point. And what they really were trying to get Truman and Eisenhower to do, the ETs, were to wind that down and go on a different trajectory, which is what we're recommending now,

60 years later. And that is to pivot to getting rid of this conflict-oriented endless war scenario with these kind of weapons and move towards a peaceful solution to our conflicts, but then begin to adopt these technologies so that human civilization can advance without cannibalizing the earth and killing off the oceans. So I think this is something that we took a pass on. It was a tragic error. The big error happened on here. I'm just be honest with you. Pretty much the year I was born ironically, 1955 to 57, this whole enterprise went sideways. And when Eisenhower subsequently lost control over these deep black operations, that's when he gave the, beware of the military industrial complex. I mean, he was a repro-military, he was a general, or were two.

And then, of course, that's why also the first director, one of the early director of CIA, 1947, when the CIA was founded, Admiral Roscoe Hilling-Keter, stated in a letter to the New York Times after Eisenhower gave that speech. And he said, the secrecy around UFOs is a threat to the national security. He didn't say the UFOs were. He said the secrecy around it is a threat to the national security.

So when people ask me, are the UFOs a threat to the national security? I said the man-made ones absolutely are. The extraterrestrial ones aren't. But the secrecy around it and its aggregate is a dire threat to world and national security. No question. In the documentary,

you talk about some of the UFO technology, the metal is so pure, it cannot be replicated. Can you expound on that a little bit? Yeah, so we think, you know, if you're driving a car or flying on a Boeing 737 or whatever, we dig that stuff up, you know, aluminum and metal. We smelled it, refined it, rolled it, put it together, rivets, welding, et cetera.

An extraterrestrial vehicle and all its components are not made that way. They are made by creating a sort of an ultrasonic, very high-tech wave that pulls, let's call it, the substrate, the elementals that are subatomic together on if you can visualize this, like almost like a blueprint and energy, and it materializes it. So it's seamless.

Even the parts that are in it, anything that's energy or electronic related is on a nano molecular level entwined in it. This is why it's very hard to study this stuff. I mean, it's not like taking a part of Soviet MIG or something. I know the men who worked on these projects. And I mean, you're dealing with really extraordinary, elegant, beautiful material sciences and matter. And that's why the materials are so pure because they're not dug up and refined. They're actually assembled from this baseline energy matter interface in space time. And you give it, make it real for you.

There was a captain on a Navy contract vessel back in 62 or 3. And before he died, he contacted me. Great guy. And he had been, you know, they were testing the Atlas rockets for intercontinental ballistic, but these didn't have nukes on them. They were testing the rocket and guidance systems back way back. And they had had a lot of UFO sightings, those the ETs were watching how we were developing in kind of this breakout speed

with thermonuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic cold war. And one night they had an object on radar, it was triangulated, they had on ship radar. So, the captain has this guy say, hey, let's go, we have this boogie. And then it got confirmed from the command center. And they said, oh, because they were able to do that, unfortunately, they triangulated it, and it was hit with some kind of weapon. This was 63, and it dropped boom,

like a rock right into the South Atlantic ocean. So he was vectored over to the estimated point of impact and Was there to retrieve it and I have his whole story and he never won the come forward because Even when he had to have surgery once they had an intelligence guy in there when he was on our anesthesia Be sure he ain't talk about this, but I have his whole information. So what happened is that when he got to the site there was about a six by six pod and They told it up on the ship

And it wasn't the whole craft the whole craft had gone down, but apparently there was some sort of one-moded thing and there were four I'm gonna use his language little men that look like the color of a Sicilian kind of brown, but 39 inches tall, no hair, and also no external ears, no penna flaps, very fine feature. The reason he contacted me, and this is why this is so funny, I've debriefed over a thousand men like this, he said, I can't figure out how they got in and out of their uniforms. So they had a one-piece uniform. Now, no zipper and no buttons.

And no visible way they could get them out of this thing. And he says, how do they put them on? I said, well, they don't need a zipperippura button because they are kind of materialized around them. And then dematerialized off using this technology, this very advanced, transdimensional physics. And he went, oh my god, I would have never, I said, no, I mean, it is, it's sadly doing it.

So, this is why people who encounter an actual ET craft or the ET, the ebans, extraterrestrial biological entities, and they see even their clothing, not a bit tracks because it's so far advanced. Well, you know, there was another, maybe I can't remember if it was one or two of the whistleblowers that spoke about this. They spoke about, maybe it was you talking about it, but when they got into the craft, the inside of the craft seemed almost infinite. Yep. That was one of my, I was representing a whistleblower who is not ready to be unmasked yet.

He still doesn't want to be known publicly. But yes, because you have a dimensional space shift as well. So an object that looks 30 feet across, you go in, and it was so big, you could, if you threw in a football, you couldn't hit the other side of it. So again, all of this gets into an understanding of physics that unfortunately, we know, we're not teaching our kids the real physics, the science of anything.

I mean, we're all locked to 100 years. This is the other part of the law century I talk about. Is that it has to do with medical technologies? I mean, as a doctor, I've seen some things that, oh my God, if we had that, the lives that could be saved, spinal cord regeneration, regeneration of loss limbs. You've seen that stuff, yeah. That underground lap on the Mexican Texas border. Sad.

How are you getting access to this? The people who like what I'm trying to do that are in the system, take me. And I went to one place, a very funny story, and they had the Marines there. There was all these checkpoints. The guy said, finally, we got to the last one. And those were the facility, I don't say where it was, but I mean, basically, World War 3, for all submarines to be run out of there. And my escort, my military advisor, finally, we got to this last point.

We go into the inner, you know, it's a huge place, deep. And the guy goes, and what is Dr. Greer here for? And he says, you don't have a need to know. So he played this the same need to know thing. When I went in. So I'd be not full disclosure. I've never worked for the government or contractor. I have no clearances. I don't want to clear. But there are people who know that what we're doing, we're fighting the good fight. And the people in the system, a lot of them are very good people. This is why a lot of people need to understand they got trapped in a system where you get read into more and more of these compartments.

Next thing you know, you're in something. And the guys, as I say this, I want to make a call for more whistleblowers watching to come out. There are guys out there watching your show Delta Force, Navy SEAL, people in aerospace industry, various military commands that have dealt with or seen this, and they need to come forward. Because now there's a safe pathway for them to do it. And if you're corporate, now there's a six-month clock on you. And we, let me be very clear, we know who you are

and where your assets are. And after those six months, you're subject to criminal prosecution, and you'll be lucky if that's all you're subject to. So this is something, this is getting very serious right now, that's why I'm on your show. There's a six-month window. Yep.

One does that expire. From the date the bill is finally signed. I mean, it's out of committee, it's gonna be voted and then it'll be, it's a amendment to the intelligence bill. Okay, so it's not actually, we're not able to tell it's done. No, it's done. It's pretty much it's done. But it's not in effect yet.

I have to ask my guy who's shepherding it through. Oh, God. Yeah. I think it is, actually. Let's talk about the secret air show in 1988. I'm not an air force space. It's a decommissioned air force space, California, where there was the original ARV that we learned about.

Apparently, it had mercury component parts from 1959, 60, time period. And it was sort of a circular object came up to it like a cupola. You can see the drawings we have. And we have a man who was at that air show who described it in full. It had scorched marks and other things on it and they had been told at this secret air show that it in fact had been out in the solar system,

out in the space and back. This is late 1950s, early 1960s. Now ironically, my uncle who worked on the lunar module put the first man on the moon, that was 1969. So they're working one track at Grumman, which became North of Grumman. And but then in these deep black projects, they have these things that are zipping out there. And that is 100% true. My understanding it did not have interstellar capability, it did not have teleportation capability, and it didn't have any of that really exotic.

But it was a free energy combined with anti-gravity where if they could get that up there and go out in the space and other places. So that air show was basically showing some old antiquans. That air show was basically showing some old antique ones, right? This 1988, this bird was from the late 50s or 60s, and they had three of them. One was about 25 feet, I believe 150 and 100 feet across. Now you know, Mr. Herrera, by the time he was in, you know, 2009, whenever it was in Indonesia, that one was 300 feet across, manmade.

Think of it. Think of the length of a football field round, floating. How are you able to tell which one of these are man-made versus ET? At a great distance, you wouldn't know. If you're up close enough, the manmade ones are going to have components, protrusions, electromagnetic, often, there are going to be seams, welding marks, underneath,

there could be pipes and other things. It's very clearly a manmade machine. The extra-trestor ones seemless. They're extruded in this process of how they create them. Even the light they give off is very different because it's coming through such pure material science, extremely pure materials. And then if you don't have...

We're still in the infancy stages compared. I'm sorry. We're still in the infancy stages of those I'm sorry. We're still in the infancy stages of those compared to... I'm afraid in 2023, we're certainly not in infancy. We have technologies and material science that are far beyond. Look at what Stephen Digna talked about, that Raytheon device. Out of a million people who would have seen or touched that thing. One million of them would have said it was extraterrestrial. No one would have thought we had that kind of technology. AI, organic, quality to it.

If you look at his testimony carefully, but that's how they've been getting away with doing the abductions, the quote, alien abduction hoax. The way they've been able to do it is have technologies and also creatures that are look like they're gray or reptilian or whatever. I know men who've worked on them actually fabricated them. Those are man-made. And they're used for their psychological warfare of purpose.

This is one of the, I would love to get Dr. Jacques Vallet to release this document. He has from 1985. It's a CIA official document. And it describes the CIA conducting abductions, alien abductions in Brazil and Argentina quote for their psychological warfare of value. Now this is now what almost 40 years ago, 38 years ago. So those sort of projects aside from being a crime in any jurisdiction anywhere on the planet and a crime against humanity is creating this false flag psychology, the preparation

because people are brainwashed thinking the aliens are mutilating and the aliens are abducting us. They have no need to do that. That's this disinformation campaign using incredibly high-tech technologies that we've studied from the extraterrestrials. This is one of the real problems, is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And this was my concern when David Grush started talking about an event where the aliens were murdering people. I'm going, and that went all through Capitol Hill. I'm going, I know that

incident. That was us. So people, I don't think he understands, because he's a young man, the problem of having a little bit information on this and thinking you know a lot is that you're going to step into a booby trap. And the booby trap is being played by the very unconstitutional criminals that people like him were trying to uncover. You were organ with Grush, correct? We had met in March of 2022 in Colpepper, Virginia. I was asked to meet with him, and he had a security guy there with him, and I told him, look, I'll cooperate

and get you anything you need. And so, we're about a 14 month period until he told me he was leaving the US government in April of this year. We would periodically, occasionally we spoke through an encrypted system. Usually it was encrypted texts, but I have all these. This is, this is correct me if I'm wrong. This is the guy that he was just in the news. Yeah. And he came out that there was a down craft we retrieved it with bodies, correct?

Yes. And those were a lot of this information I was providing to his bosses. And then he was in a field operation to go out and get to places. Now, he never got in to see it firsthand, but he talked to people, of course, that knew about it. I mean, this actually had the mainstream media.

Oh, yeah, correct. Yeah, yep. So, you know, he was not the principal person I've been dealing with. The principal person would be the equivalent of a two or three star general, if he was still in military. But I think that, you know, I try, my goal in all of this is that if someone is trying to do this on behalf of the legal government of the United States, I will give them any

information I have. But we have a lot. I mean, our repository of intelligence on this, by far, as the largest in the world, certainly exceeds the legal government of the United States. I will say that for a fact. Now, my concern is that when you go from that to then falling into the clutches of folks in the UFO community who then start giving you these tall tels of all these horrible things the aliens have been doing, I'm going, yes, but you haven't been read in to that part of the project. So this is like an onion, a stinking onion, you pill 500 layers of this onion back, and there's 500 more. And that's just where a little bit of

just superficial knowledge is a very dangerous thing, extremely dangerous. And my concern about that is that this is exactly the game that's going to be run on Congress in the White House. Well, I mean, you're already seeing it. I mean, the like I said, this look, I don't, I don't trust the mainstream media. I anyways, well, there are a set of the of this group, but absolutely a lot of people do. And a lot of people don't put any legitimacy on anything unless Fox News CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, NBC, right. Unless they touch it, nobody, right. I'm not going to say nobody because there's a growing the population that doesn't believe in the mainstream media

is just continuously getting larger. It's probably half the population. But don't why do you think, I mean, that would be the biggest story in the world. We've recovered in ET craft with bodies. And on every news network, they're all covering it. And then just like that, it's gone. No photos, no nothing. What happened? Why do you think it just disappeared?

Well, we know why. I mean, in 2001, when we did the first National Press Club event, we had a guy who was on a team that for several years in the 60s, retrieved the bodies and the craft. And he spoke and he had all of his information there. His name is Sergeant Clifford Stone. He's an archive. Go look at it. So the people we just had at the National Press Club, a U2 decorated a U2 pilot who encountered these objects back in the 60s, 70s, 80s,

worked at the Lockheed operations and skunk work interface with Ben Rich directly personally. He didn't get to go into that. But these guys are all available to give testimony. These are firsthand. David Grush was secondhand. He never was principally involved. Stephen Degna, there with and saw was with two Raytheon guys with these man-made Raytheon devices DC long was in an underground facility at the range of 19 with some Delta guys took his dad in who was a contractor and they accidentally saw this system levitating 100 ton concrete block up in the air along with some giant boulders. Absolutely. True.

And we had people who were at other operations that we brought. Now, those are all 100, every one of our 750 disclosure project folks are firsthand witnesses, meaning that they weren't people trying to find out like David Grush was, they're people who actually were in there.

Interesting that the media won't interview them. It is. No, we have to really want to know the truth. Why would you want to talk to a field operator who didn't have first-hand information and skip over the people who actually touched the things? Saul them. You see what I'm saying? So, the public has to ask the question very quickly.

How do we get the truth out? I think we're asking everyone to write their member of Congress and their two senators and the White House as an activist responsibility as a citizen of the United States and refer to the National Press Club event and the disclosure project archive because we've sent all this in and say now we need to see action taken. Now whether the media, the corporate media that I honestly believe is controlled by the same corrupt enterprise.

I mean, Dr. Devlin controlled, I mean there's multiple videos of them all reporting the exact same shit. I mean, it's ridiculous that anybody even watches it anymore. Well, I mean, it's staged. And the problem with that, they do have, and this is the other big announcement, attorney attorneys listening. We now have over 150 attorneys and legal professionals on our legal team. And not only will they protect and defend any whistleblowers and the project, but they are also are moving quickly towards issuing a civilian reco,

racketeer influence corrupt organization lawsuit, who are going to be in the target, all these corporations and individuals, you can't use a civilian rico against the government agency, but you can target the individuals and the corporations. That we are going to be doing in concert with this bill saying, now you need to come out of the code or you'll be criminally. We can't criminally prosecute, but there is a US attorney who's on the team that when we find actionable intelligence and get it introduced into court in a civilian recode, he would then take it and see if he can pursue it

on their criminal statute. I got another question and the question is, great people have come forward in the last few months. You've had, I don't even know how many people, how many different whistleblowers have contacted you guys and you know, if you're not looking at this with a skeptical buy for anybody, you know, this is the thing you should be. How are you deciphering who the legitimate whistleblowers are from the Quacks? First of all, we asked for them to give evidence of who they were, where they were.

We want to see a DD214, we want to see records, and then we check them out. And there's someone who's in our team who has The ability to check them out through the system Now even with that, you know, you could be tricked The best I can do and I remember we're not the US government with trillions of dollars or depending on with 700 billion We're a volunteer organization Beth Best we can do but the other thing is good,

because I've debriefed legitimate people for 30 years on this, literally over 1,000 people. Not all of them are in the archive because some of them never wanted their names given to me, but they were legit. So what I say is that if the story doesn't track So what I say is that if the story doesn't track,

and the other is if what they're sharing comports with the evidence from another source, but they don't know each other, there's no collusion. So then you say, okay, this gentleman in 1980 saw this, this guy in 2009 saw this, and it was essentially the same kind of operation craft. What have you, they don't know each other. And they're very reluctant. They say, you're not going to believe this is what they all say. As if, trust me, I'll probably believe it. But then when you get a points of cooperation, so what I try to do is find multiple points of cooperation. Like we had like a dozen people who knew about the

ET concerns, about the nuclear issue. So there's a whole area of multiple points of cooperation. And it's particularly useful when it's a similar event or company or facility base where they were there at different times and don't know each other. So then you don't have someone be able to match up their stories in some tall tail. So I have my own approach to this, but obviously we don't have at this point. Now the difference is that when we launch this Reco, civilian Reco action, we'll have subpoena power and also discovery. So we can go to these spaces. Now we'll have to find a federal judge who will certify it. I'm glad we went through that because I mean it is, you know, it's tough to take somebody's word for things like this.

I don't support you know. I do the best I can. Now we almost were tricked by a guy back in 1997 who was coming to the briefings I set up for Congress back then, offside at the Weston Hotel in Georgetown. And Egremitch was there, a bunch of fun people were there. And it turned out he was telling a tall tale. And my military advisor at that time was at a bar and he started talking about stuff that this guy knew absolutely was false. So I had him escorted off the premises. So you know, you basically get one bite at the apple with us at telling something that ends up to be nonsense. So that's kind of our policy. But you know, because we don't have any kind of signal, our budget for all of this has been volunteers in a few donations and people who are devoted to it.

So we can do only what we can do with the assets we have. Well, you got a lot of assets. I mean, we talked about your crowdfunding capabilities earlier and those are quite impressive. Right. Yeah, we do the best we can, you know, but I always tell people I'm confident of the ones that we're putting forward and of the ones we have in the archive, which have not come forward. And listen, anyone listening, you can come forward and only give information to me that you think is useful. If you want to go to the arrow process and be protected under the new law and give your testimony. We can do that.

If you want to come out publicly, we can do that. It's really up to the person to determine if they were in special forces or a Lockheed, scientists or whatever, how they want to do it. We just want as many people to come for, because there's strength in numbers, but here's the other thing, Sean, we really need. We need to continue to grow the current state of the art knowledge of where facilities are operations, code numbers, code names, all that, because that's how the investigators, and if necessary, people who were bite force, if necessary, get these projects under control, that's what they need to have. Well, all the ways to contact you for the whistleblowers and anybody wanting to get involved volunteer are linked below. Great.

And back to, sorry, I'm kind of all over this place here. We're going down a lot of rabbit holes But when it comes to back to the zero point energy and Why the government will want to suppress it? I mean we've talked about And they're also in your documentaries as well. I mean you're taking I mean let's talk about how X-on mobile You know plays under this. Well, all of the big financial, you know, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, the big oil, Petra Dollar, all that, is they understand that they want to keep the status quo, or tinker around the edges with what I call the pseudo-environmental

initiatives, like a Tesla car that you plug in. Well you have hundreds of pounds of lithium ion batteries that are toxic, and how they're made and disposed of, charging off a gas and coal-fired grid. You know, people don't think they think it's free energy. No, you're plugging into a grid that's smokestacks and maybe nuclear if you're lucky. Very little of it is wind and solar. What? 12% something. So the problem is it has such a huge impact macroeconomically. But I would correct one thing. It's not the DUS government doing anything. But I would correct one thing. It's not the DUS government doing anything.

Like the US government, I would say virtually no one in the Congress in the Pentagon or White House know about those technologies. So they're not suppressing them. But are there people under cover of the authority of government doing it? Yes. And that is the criminal aspect in the government. That is the rogue element in the government. whether it's the patent office or the Department of Justice or anyone. So they're deliberately, I would say the majority of the U.S. government where you're left right center would like to see a solution to the energy and environmental and poverty problems around the world. But of course, there are a lot of pigs feeding at the troll for the lobbyist money from the impacted industries, because we're now

we're talking hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets that are tied up in oil gas, cold, nuclear, public utilities. I mean, you'd look at the Fortune 500 list of companies globally, not to mention nation states, you know, but You know, I always point out we've had a hundred and fifty year run of that old Smoke stack technology These others should have begun to come out a hundred years ago and

Transitioned over now we're hitting on a red line, not only geophysically, but geopolitically, where you have half the world in poverty. And let's face it, if everyone in the world where you've been and I've been, live like you and I do, the price of a gallon of gasoline would be $150 a gallon. If they were using the kind of energy that you and I use, and it was all 8 billion souls on earth. So the only way to solve the human future issue and geopolitical problems is to allow these

technologies to begin to be phased in that at least create energy even if we hold back the things that fly. I mean, these electrogravittics need to be held back. the things that fly. I mean, these electro-gravitics need to be held back. I mean, what I'm trying to do is, is bring to the light how many corporations will be pissed off if we did hit zero-point energy. You know, the gas industry, the power industry. Oh, sure.

The car industry. It's huge. Everything, everyone. Well, the power industry. Oh, sure. The car industry. It's huge. Everything. Everyone. Well, the car energy would just have to pivot to the type of motor and electric motor with a zero point generator and a little teeny three volt battery will start it up. You don't need these lithium ion, you can enjoy enormous battery banks.

Those can be retrofitted, but yes, your public utilities eventually will retire because every home business will have its own energy source. Your big fossil fuel oil gas coal, nuclear power plants, they all be mothballed. Now the only thing you really need oil for is chemicals, petrochemicals, plastics, things like that. So that is something though, it's not going to happen instantaneously. As I said earlier, this is like a global Marshall plan to rebuild the planet and regain this 100 years of lost social evolution for our civilization, but we've squandered 100 years.

And I don't think we have 100 years left to fix it. I don't think we have 20. So I think that well within your lifetime, and probably mine, if I live old enough, certainly my grandchildren, we're going to need to have this established and done, or we're going to be in a true existential crisis. So you have multiple crises coming in at once. You know, the secrecy around UFOs, which is part and parcel keeping secret these technologies. Right? And who is that benefiting? A handful of elites, super elites. Now, your average guy working at a utility plan

or in an oil field, those are going to need to be supported and retrained to these new high tech industries dealing with making this whole new system. And I think, we need to be very compassionate about the fact that there will be people displaced. Well, at the same time, though, everything that we know will be a lot more affordable because it will not take the energy that it takes to produce

all these things right now. It'll be that energy will be free. That's the biggest component. Do you think about the energy it goes into? Digging and draw materials up, manufacturing it, shipping it to a place where it's assembled, shipping it again, and then delivering it to your store, your home, and everything from the delivery vans and jets to the manufacturing process is running on the current energy system.

So yes, when the energy costs go to zero after you have a device that's operative Then you're looking at the ability to have extraordinary abundance and this is the boat This is a tie that'll lift all the boats in the third world and developing world also by the way And it's sort of like how They let frog from landlines like we used to have right to sell and They let frog from landlines like we used to have, right to sell, and they just bypassed the landlines. The rest of the world will be able to go from having nothing in the way of energy generation, 3 billion people have no power energy at all, to having these systems. And suddenly you're going to see so much happen in the world that is going to be a human advancement.

And aside from the air and everything becoming pristine and clean, So much happened in the world that is going to be a human advancement. And aside from the air and everything becoming pristine and clean, there are going to be such great opportunities for dispossessed people of the world, which I think if you don't pay attention to that, this is how you end up in disgruntled segments of the population in the world that later become terrorists or adversaries. So I think looking at this in a in a largest possible way, you know, it's a win-win for everyone if we take care of the workers that would be displaced as for the mega giant corporate entities, they just need to pivot to these new technologies and realize that

era is over. Let's talk about some of the ways that they are suppressing these methods of free energy. Black shielding. Yep. Easy. I know guys who have had this happen where they pick it up, they'll get it by out. Oh, here's $50 million. You know, this, Lieutenant Colonel Bearden had a man who had one of these devices back years ago and

The guy didn't have a pot the Pian and he was very, you know, sort of this inventor bootstrapping it Thing was real. It was a real free energy device and next thing you know, he was he's driving around in a Lamborghini and wearing our money suits Well, you know, he got basically a pay but he he said, yeah, I can't talk about that. It was bought. It was put on the black shelf of a corporation. There it sits. So with enough money, you can pretty much buy out. What's your number?

In other words, because if you're protecting a $900 trillion asset base, what is $50 million? Not nothing, all right? So, and I know many people have had this happen. So that black shelving goes on all the time. The other, of course, and then you get into more nefarious activities. National security orders. Yes, NSOs, we have one in the film.

It shows the patent office slapping a national security on a patent application of an inventor I know. Whose lab I have been in. Patent seizures, financial entanglements, legal entanglements, credible threats, scientific fraud, what do you mean by scientific fraud? Well, this is where they will deliberately take a device and cause it to be altered. So it doesn't work, but they trick people to get money out of them.

So in other words, I've actually been a victim of a couple of these. Very clever. But it's basically where you try to siphon off the resources. There's a big venture capital guy. I know he was almost taken last year for 150 million dollars by a group that was going to put it into a fraudulent effort. But so by intercepting that man's interest, they would then, of course, sideline him. So his financial interest were not going to something productive. That was deliberately being put into a fraudulent, staying operation. I've seen a number of these. Media Corporation.

Well, the media, part of the problem is that even if you have one of these devices, is the media gonna report on it honestly? Well, it's just like the UFO issue, which is another reason why we need influencers, like yourself, but also some of these celebrities that have supported what we're doing, because my view is that if we had one of these things right here on the table and it worked and we tested it, reproduced it, had plans for it, the first 30 that we would make would go to some key people in DC and some big time celebrities that have their house running on it, and you'd have two billion people out about it in

a matter of days. Because what you have to do is figure that the corrupt influences in the scientific and media community that have kept the UFO issue secret are gonna kick in on this. So you have to develop a strategy to work around that. I liken to we need to be sort of water flowing and if there's a huge boulder in front of us, we flow around it or find a way around because there are gonna be these obstacles

and there have been. And that's one of the big problems. If the media had done its job on all these issues, notwithstanding their lip service to the environment and climate change, if they had done their investigatory job as the fourth estate and a free press, I wouldn't have had to leave my medical career. So the biggest liability here is with the media. Let works. Well, that's just a term used at the agency for assassinations and targeted killings.

It's just a slang, but wet comes from blood, obviously. But yeah, a number of people, I'm one in particular, I work with very closely, I was killed, and I think others have been over the years, because they didn't do anything rational. The years, I'll be honest with you, if you have this kind of information, you're sort of holding a hand grenade in your hand

that the pen's been pulled, if it's not a legitimate system, because we're all these corrupt interests that will do everything in their power to keep it from going from your lab out to the public. So I think this is where you have to then have a strategic plan to disclose that open source and then get it out through alternative media and influencers and celebrities.

I mean, everyone from Leo de Caprio to Aaron Grande would be thrilled to have a device like this to save the environment, right? So you use the strengths we have. The strengths we have is that 99% of the population would benefit from this. Most of the people who are a highly influential artist and celebrities would love to see it. And even the corrupt politicians, once the public demand it, they'll have

to do it. They'll have to say, yeah, thank you for your donation, ExxonMobile, but we're still going to have to support this. So a lot of this comes down to the public step, we the people stepping in on this. I think it's a huge mistake to think that the government of the United States or a big corporation's gonna do this. The history shows they will not. Yeah, that's fantastic.

I'm sure. There's, I just, we're running out of time here. I know you got a flight to catch, but there's a couple of things that I wanted to ask you, one of them being magic, your organization that runs covert projects. Can you expound upon that a little bit? Well, the majority of joint intelligence committee. It's a name that's been used back in the old days. There was allegedly a group called Majestic 12.

That was a group in the Truman era, an early Eisenhower era. But it's basically a committee. It's transnational. It was people from different countries that are on the upper end policy group of this. Oh, problem. And there are a number of people who have been involved over the years, certainly Admiral Bobby Rehenman, from a vice president, Dick Cheney, George H. W. Bush, a number of people, and I met with some of the others. And they pretty much determine policy on these sort of big global issues.

And part of their portfolio would be the UFO issue, part of it would be all this new energy issue cause they're panning glove the same thing. And then there are other problematic agendas. How many people do you think are involved in this? I think at the upper level, my understands about two or three hundred folks globally. Yes, oh yeah, it's totally global.

I tell people it's not international, the way we think of the State Department and it's transnational. So they basically maneuver and also in other countries. This organization moves with alacrity across all boundaries with these sort of assets, these sort of man-made UFOs and can do all kinds of operations

with, or they don't need the permission of the host legal government. So this has become a global power you when Senator Innoe said there exists a secret government with its own air force, its own Navy, its own funny mechanism that's above the law and free from the law itself, right?

It was chairman of the committees back then. And then he confirmed to my attorney when my attorney, Derek Garcia, was a young intern up on Capitol Hill. Then in fact, he had seen the 2001 disclosure project event said, yep, Senator Innoys had all that's true and there is a secret government running all this. So I tell people, I don't take my word for it. Listen to this high ranking Senator. There have been a number of people who tried to blow the whistle on this and point people in the right way and no one followed up on it. And I think it's now we're reaching a point now where I think we're at a time to let

this stretch on for another even two or three years. My understanding is that if within six to 12 months the results of this new bill is not forthcoming. In other words, if these corporations and individuals don't capitulate and provide what they have to the legal US government, then force will be necessary. Which brings us to the strike team. Yep. Do you want to talk about the strike team? I'll just say carefully that people who are utterly fed up in the legal government who have the means to do something beyond a hearing that are, you know, special operators and what have. that are, you know, special operators and whatnot. They're absolutely a clock has been set.

Let's talk about, and the reason for that is they now realize that the organization is doing this or treasonous, and they are subverting the interests in the national security of the United States, and the rogue elements the national security of the United States. And the rogue elements, the worse they're doing, all kinds of crimes, undercover of Pentagon or undercover of agency, undercover of the government. Excuse me. This is a complete abuse of power.

So is this strike team from the U.S. government? I don't want to comment beyond that. It would be an authorized operation against these illegally run rogue elements. Okay. And obviously with full rights to do so, so obviously. And the real question becomes, those guys, anyone involved with that would need to have enough detailed information about what the adversary has, right? You're going to walk into an ambush, otherwise. So one of the things we have to do is get as much good detailed information on methods, assets, where they're located, where the

bases are, where the entries are, what technologies that can be deployed as a countermeasure. But we're all hoping this never has to happen. Because if the American people listening would actually take action. And the members of Congress and the White House would begin to take this very seriously. All of that could be avoided. And so my hope is that there is a smooth, non-kinetic solution. Let's just put it that way.

Completely unrelated to that. Yeah. The Hoppy Prophecy. Completely unrelated to that, the hoppy prophecy. Yeah, the Hopies. Well, this is interesting because the time we live in, many people feel, many ancient peoples and even scriptures related to the time of the ending of one whole era in the opening of another. And I think that's the truth.

I think we're at this point of transition between an old world and a new one. Now, some people says the end of the world, I said, no, it's the end of the old world in the opening of a new one. So in the Hopi prophecy, the Hopi prophecy rock, you know, there's one line that terminates and that's our civilization terminating if we don't get this right, there's another one where

it then it takes off and it goes off into infinity. So it's like humanity as I see it is at this critical juncture where we need to choose whether we're going to go forward and keep going for hundreds of thousands of years and go out into space peacefully all of it, or we're going to blow the whole system and not and have a terminal situation. So the Hopis had this in their prophecy. Who are the Hopis? There's a Native American tribe in the desert, southwest.

My grandmother was Cherokee, but I'm familiar with some of these different traditions. And I think that my dad was half Cherokee, half Scottish, interesting mix. But I think this is why you look at it. Many people around the world get this sense that we're at this inflection point, not just politics in this and what have you, but our whole civilization. And I think these extraterrestrial civilizations know that. They know that we could get into a lot of bad trouble and have things happen that will

be extension level events for not careful. On the other hand, they know that if we came together and were for once in our history did the right thing peacefully. We could transition to a civilization that literally will be interstellar. Maybe not in my lifetime, but in probably your children's. Wouldn't that be something? Yep. Oh, yeah. I have no doubt. We certainly have the means to do it. The technological do you think we're going to get there? Oh I do. I wouldn't be doing this if I were a pessimist. I mean I think it's going to be a bumpy ride. I mean a smooth transition would have been before I was born

when the ET is worn, Truman and Eisenhower to make the transition. But I think absolutely we can do it. I had a beautiful lucid dream back when I was a young man, and it was way in the future. Maybe I was around the age I am now. And I was out at what looked like white sands. And I met my wife in a lucid dream. I have this sort of ability to dream in the future and then meet people like the aboriginals with dream time and all that. It's also a Cherokee tradition.

But so I had this dream and it was this beautiful clear day. The whole US military was supporting this peaceful contact event between humans and an extraterrestrial vehicle that was descending and there was a very ancient ET Elder that came out of it and it was televised globally in the whole world saw it. And you know, it was nothing scary about it. It wasn't like some scary thing. It was a very beautiful thing. So when I had that vision and dream, I said, well, that's one possible future. You know, now there are other possible futures. And this gets into the almost a spiritual question is the exercise of free will by humans individually

and collectively. I chose to leave my medical career to do this at great difficulty. But everyone can make their own decision here. Are you going to write to your member of Congress? If you're someone involved in these covert projects, are you going to come forward or not? These are all moral decisions, as I see it. Spiritual and moral, ethical. Everyone thinks morality is, you know, the peccadillos of men having affairs. I mean, no, no, no.

That's what, in the middle ages, was considered the foibles and the silliness of humanity. We're talking real moral choices here. What are you going to do when you find out there's an issue like this, and are you going to step up to the plate to fix it? So it's a moral question, an ethical question for the Congress, the president, all of us. And I think every citizen here and around the world. Because remember, these same projects have assets,

parallel, not as big, and the United Kingdom, Australia, Brazil, other countries, no question. I was gonna ask that if there were any foreign companies that are involved in this. Oh, many. And this whole committee that deals with it is like a little U.N.O on its own.

It's definitely international. I know for a fact. Man, this is global. This is global. Yeah, it's global. Man scary, you know. Oh, they are scary, but they're not that many. So here's the thing is what I tell people

the vast majority of everyone on earth, the vast majority of everyone in legitimate governments of the earth, we'd be on the side of what we're advocating if they know the facts, the evidence. So that's what we have to put in front of them and hope people make the right choice. That's what we have to put in front of them and hope people make the right choice. It's all I can do. Nobody, I'm a private civilian, retired from medicine. But I do think that if the message resonates and enough people act, it kind of creates this collective conscious wave of change. How would you like them to act?

I think that the leaders, the public needs to just get involved with this and write to their leaders and point them to the assets that we've handed off, the disclosure project intelligence archive. And ask for open hearings, not I think the classified hearing process needs to end. We need to go to open hearings and I know that's why Congressman Barchett and Comer, the chair of the government oversight committee, and I understand the speaker of the House all think there should be open hearings on this. The risk there is that they all get gas lit, like I was talking about,

but this is where the public needs to weigh in and say, don't be fooled by this other disinformation trajectory that's gonna be put in front of you. Like last year, the Pentagon released 1500 pages of material from Dr. Kit Green and others that are involved in these clandestine operations with alien mutilations and abductions and people being burned.

And every one of those cases in there, I know for a fact, we're done by humans. Masquerading is an alien encounter. So the risk of having people at the National Security Council and the Congress being deceived because they have no information is very great. And this is where, as Eisenhower said, only an informed citizenry can avoid our loss of our democracy. He said it, I'm paraphrasing. If you look up that speech, an informed citizenry. So that's why guys like you are, I think,

so key to this is helping to get the information out. Well, thank you. I am honored to be a part of it. And, you know, Dr. Once again, I just really to be a part of it. And, you know, Dr. once again, I just really appreciate your time and coming here. I'm sure I'll love it. Educate my audience and myself because I am new to this whole subject. And it's, I just keep diving deeper. Hey, it's a band of brothers and sisters trying to do something great for the country and the world. I remember my mother's ancestors were the first POWs against the British and the American Revolution.

They were this little rag tag. They really were. I mean George Washington, all of them. And look what they were going up against the British Empire. But they won. So I always tell people, you know, you have to have the human spirit is capable of achieving great things when we come together and do it. So that's what we need to do. Very true. And well, I'd like to end this Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex. I'm going to play a speech at the end of this. He warned us about this a long time ago, and here it is.

1961. A vital element in keeping the pieces are military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have

been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. How to do this? Three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications.

Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and

knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals. So that security and liberty may prosper together. Dr. Dussletton, I can't wait to see you again. Great, thank you. Thank you, Dr. Sanky. Thank you. Mix a little sports analysis, pop culture, and great interviews.

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