Shawn Ryan Show - #67 Eli Crane - Inside Congress: Political Corruption, Uniparty, Border Crisis & Culture Chaos

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

This week on SRS–Eli Crane is back to tell us about his experience so far in Congress. Crane was recently elected in his home state of Arizona and has already seen how rampant corruption is in the U.S. Government. This episode is an uncensored look at how Congress operates behind closed doors. If you've been wondering "What is going on in D.C.?" This episode is episode will demystify how it all goes down. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://1stphorm.com/srs https://shopify.com/shawn https://meetfabric.com/shawn https://betterhelp.com/shawn Eli Crane Links: Support Eli Crane - https://eliforarizona.com Bottle Breacher - https://bottlebreacher.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/elicrane_ceo Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Sean Ryan show this week. I have my friend former Navy SEAL in current Arizona congressman on the show. He talks about his first six months in Congress. What the experience has been like so far. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a man for the people. He votes for what the people that voted him in want him to vote for, which is something that you can't say about, I don't know, damn near anybody in politics these days. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Eli Crane to the Sean Ryan show. Please leave us a review on Spotify and Apple podcasts. Like, subscribe, comment below on the video. We love you. I think you're going to get a lot out of this. And at the end of this, it gets even better. All right, love you all, enjoy the show, cheers. ["The Star of the World"]

Eli Crane, welcome back, man. Thanks for having me back. It's my pleasure. I've been dying to get you back in here, but just a brief introduction for those who don't know. You've been on previously. One of your episodes, we had to put on rumble, unfortunately, because of censorship but you're a US representative from

Arizona's second congressional district your new congratulations I've not had the opportunity to congratulate you in person yet so congratulations and you remember the Republican Party a former Navy seal joined one week after the 9-11 attacks You're the you're an entrepreneur you co-founded bottleneck breacher with your wife bottle breacher bottle breacher. Excuse me and I just got to be honest. Oh, and you are on three different committees committee for Homeland Security Committee for small business and the committee for Homeland Security, committee for small business, and the committee for veterans affairs. And we'll be talking about some of that stuff as well.

But I gotta be honest, Matt, you just, you came here and I'm really reluctant to talk to local types. Yeah, because I think they're all full of shit. Yeah. But we had a really good discussion when you were campaigning. And I just, I got to be honest, man, it's been really nice to see somebody uphold their word. And I don't think anybody, why shouldn't say anybody, but, man, you just don't see that very often. You don't see it really on either side of the aisle.

You don't see it on the Democratic side. You don't see it on the Republican side. It seems like our government is turning into this uniparty. Yeah. Which I want to talk to you about, but, man, you just, I mean, for a lack of better words, you got balls of steel, man. You went in there. And the first thing that we saw was the McCarthy stuff. You held your ground. And you did it again with the stead ceiling stuff. And whether I or anybody else agrees with what you're doing or disagrees. Nobody can take the fact that you are doing what the

people that voted you in want you to do. And that's exactly what you're supposed to do. And and manager just a great example to anybody coming into politics and people that are in politics. Unfortunately, it looks like most of them have succumbed to the Almighty dollar, although I don't know how Almighty that is going to be here for much longer, but really, man, it's an honor to have you, and I'm just proud to know you, dude. Thank you, brother. It's really cool what you're doing. Not me and a lot. You let me come on your show while I was campaigning. When you're new into this world,

you never run for office before. Obviously, like what you said, a lot of people, they don't trust you, everybody's guarded and rightfully so. I mean, if you're not around political types, I think you're kind of a fool. And so the fact that you let me come in here and talk just talk about my story and why I'm even running in the first place It was massively helpful It was cool for me too because you know, we got to talk about some other things that are even more important to me than politics and so

Yeah, man, it was a blessing. The Bible. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that too at the end here. Yeah. But, um, so you've been in for, what, almost a year now? Six months. Six months? Yes, since January. And, um, what the hell is going on over there? I mean, everything has just turned into a disaster. It seems like,

I mean, some of these people I've had really high expectations for and they've just totally, it seems like they've just totally folded. And honestly, like I said, on both sides of the aisle, what's your first impression of being a congressman and being in the DC mix? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, a lot of my perceptions have come to be proven correct. As far as there is a uniparty, it tries to suck you in from the moment that you're elected, the moment you're elected. How do they try to suck you in?

Well, they do it with money, as far as like, hey, we'll help you, we'll help you win this race, but then, you know, I scratch your back, now you need to scratch my back. So there's that part of it, there's the relational side of it, right? You know, come be a part of this, come do this with us. You know how it is anytime you start running or hanging with people, you're more likely to become like them. So there's, and then, and then there's also, you know, the, the threats as well. If they can't get you to acquiesce and come be part of the Good Old Boy Club, then the Uniparty will just try and get rid of you.

Those are its only two moves, right? Suck you in, make you subservient, or we got to get rid of this guy. He's a problem. Well, so we got money, we got buying our politicians out, which we know that happens all the time. Peter Switzer uncovered that. Like he did a fantastic job. So that's like, so that's more like,

I would say that's more like a leak capture type stuff. So that's, I think that's a completely, I was talking about how do they try and suck you in initially, right? Okay. So I think that that's a completely, I was talking about how do they try and suck you in initially, right? Okay. So I think that that's another bucket. But what I'm talking about is, hey, Sean, so you want to represent this district, you live in in Tennessee. So you're going to need money to do that because the people that you're running against, whether

you're running against an incumbent or just somebody else. Now, you're a different story because you have this amazing reach and this amazing podcast. So, you already have name ID, right? But that's one of the hardest things for any politician to get is name ID. And it costs a lot of money to do that. Running commercials, ads, etc. And so, that's what a lot of these groups will do. The bigger groups, Republicans, Democrats, et cetera. And so that's what a lot of these groups will do. The bigger, the bigger groups, Republicans, Democrats, et cetera, they will help you, they will spend

money on your half, they will donate to your campaign so that they can help raise your name ID. But then, you know, once you get, once you get elected, it's like, okay, now it's time to pay us back. And we'll start with who you need to vote for, so and so for speaker. And then these bills are going to be coming up right behind that. We're going to need you to be on the team. So this stuff is starting before you ever even step foot in the capital. So it doesn't, and please keep in mind, dude, I can only talk about my experience. And also, I would even say in the theme of level setting, I'm an F&G up there.

Six months in. There's so much I don't know. So I'm just giving you perspective from somebody that's been there for six months. But my experience was there were no asks right off the bat. Or I should say there were no asks of me working my way up.

The asks started coming as soon as I got elected. Okay. As soon as I got elected. And it was just like, are you gonna be on the team or not? What were some of the asks? Support, I need you to support, I need you to support who the party is chosen for speaker. So right off the bat,

it was, you're talking about funding your campaign to basically vote for McCarthy. Yeah. And so, and that's super, just so you know, that's super normal. Like what America saw in January, from what I'm told, that hadn't happened in over a hundred years.

So usually that's like SOP. Everybody kind of typically knows who the speaker's going to be, and then it's more kind of a formality. But interesting. Several people decided that they didn't want Door A. They didn't want formality. They wanted to shake things up and to change the way the town works. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. What were some other asks? Oh, let's see. So some of the other stuff you'll see, like I don't know if we talked about this in the last one, but I've been pretty outspoken that I don't agree with the, how we're handling Ukraine. And so because of my outspokenness on, hey, I don't think we should be trying to usher

in peace talks, not sending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't even have over there. I don't think we should be sending M1 Abrams tanks or escalating that conflict. I think we should be trying to bring it to a close. You know, I was told, hey, some of these committees that you want to be on, no, it's not going to happen. So, there's a lot of that as well. How are these messages delivered? Who do they come from? How are these messages delivered? Who do they come from? In my experience, some of those messages came

from actually more junior people but they're plugged in with leadership. So, okay. Yeah, because- And it, you know, it's like, in a way, like if I look at the other side of it, it kind of makes sense, right? If you're the chairman of foreign affairs or Intel

or whatever committee you're the chairman of, you don't wanna rebel rouser, you want somebody that's gonna fall in line and do what, do what it's told. Do what you want, right? And so I can see the other side of it that being said It is disappointing like right now. There's no member of the house freedom caucus on Intel In my opinion that's a massive problem

That's a massive problem. What do you mean by that? So there's an Intel committee Right mm-hmm, and they get they get briefed on you know That's a massive problem. What do you mean by that? So there's an Intel committee, right? And they get briefed on anything related, anything and everything related to Intel. So there's not one, they don't want any rebel browsers on that committee. I mean, there's a lot of committees they don't want rebel browsers on, right?

Or people that say no to the swamp, to the unaparty, the establishment, whatever, whatever word you want to use. But as of right now, there's no member of HFC on the Intel committee. And I, you know, I don't, I, that's not a coincidence. a coincidence. Where does this money come from? So when you get, can you just run me through one of the approaches? I'm really curious. What approach? On the money stuff. Hey, we're going to donate X amount of dollars to your campaign if you vote for McCarthy. Can you just run me through this scenario? I mean, is it is it out in the open? Is it? Is it yeah, hey, we'll find you at a restaurant and talk to you? No, no, it's it most of it. It's out in the open, man

It's like and and by law it has to be right because you have to file you have to file reports very regularly On where your campaign got money from you know, and all sorts of stuff like that. So now I'm not going to say that, you know, that there aren't groups and organizations that use, you know, third parties or, you know, organizations that aren't necessarily connected to them, but, you know, secondary tertiary organizations to do their bidding and support candidates that they wanna see win. But what I'm saying is, is that it was never like,

for any of the interactions that I saw were never like hush, hush, shed a bar, hey, come over here. It was always out in the open, and it was always on the up and up. Okay. But, you know, that was definitely something that I experienced right off the bat.

Like, all right, it's time. It's time for you to, you know, reciprocate. Okay. Change in subjects here, since we're talking about campaign dollars. Did you have any major donors or was it mostly The people that were voting you undone at your campaign. Yeah, I had some you know, I had some I had some definitely some people that maxed out because there are there are max contributions that you can do

I think last cycle definitely some people that maxed out because there are max contributions that you can do. I think last cycle, I wanna say, it was like $5,800 if I remember correctly. So you can do like half during the primary and then if you're candidate makes it to the general, you can do the other half. And I think that max was like $5,800 if I remember correctly.

That's it, the max is close to $6,000. Yeah, so that's individual, but then if you have like, if you have like a leadership pack and a lot of candidates will set up a leadership pack, then you can, you can, investors, donors can put more money into that. Okay. There's specific rules on how you know, how that, how that money can be used.

It's, it's, it's, it's different. But for a guy like me, the vast majority of the funds that we raised were small dollar, just like, you know, digital online, you know, people, you know digital online you know people you know throwing in you know five ten fifteen bucks which is good in that you know that you have a good amount of support. On that note though the bad thing is is when you're raising money digitally you don't keep as much of it as if somebody just writes you a max out check or just a check Yeah, it's you got in in that it's kind of one of those things where you got to spend a little money to make money. Okay Well $6.5 800 doesn't seem like it would be enough to buy somebody out.

So does that change when you get in to Congress, the max donation? No, it's still the same thing, but I think that, again, you got to forgive my ignorance here because this isn't something that I have a ton of experience with, but I would imagine if you were gonna get sizeable donations, it would probably go to your leadership pack. And then also other groups can spend money on your behalf. So that's different. So've got money that comes directly to you which you can decide how it's spent. And then outside, one of the big ways that

they can promote somebody is through outside groups that just, you know, do a million dollar ad buyer. One of the things that in my election, I think in the last two weeks of my election, Nancy Pelosi put, that it was like $1.5 million into my race to run ads, basically saying that I was like a white supremacist in a Nazi. Yeah, so, I mean, it's silly,

but that's kinda how it works and And there's targeted races all over the country races that both sides think that they can flip races that both sides, you know think they have the advantage in And then races that they think yeah that we probably got to let this one go just based on the numbers and the data. And so you'll see both sides targeting specific races. And, you know, because I was trying to flip a three-term Democrat, you know, it was one that they still tried to hold on to even though the numbers were decently in my favor.

And you beat him. Yeah. Yeah. So with your with your limited knowledge, yeah, how, how are these people? How are they flipped later on? Yeah. I mean, how, how does, I can't remember what Pelosi's worth, but we'll just bring her up for example I mean, she's isn't she worth like $200 million or something? I've heard that, you know, how was this money getting funneled into these people? And you know, and another thing, I mean, you know, we just met in DC, had dinner, had a talk. A lot of people that I think I respected, I think you respect them as well. You know, they're they're folding. And how is this

happening? Are they getting paid off? Is it pressure from from the establishment? I mean, people, I mean, people that we both know are making lots of money as a congressman. And how is this happening? So I think there's a couple different things. My perspective is there's a couple ways you can play this, right, like anything you go into. I think a lot of people go into this job with good intentions.

I really believe that. Now, I think I'm sure there's a handful, a bucket of narcissists that just want power. You know, I think a bunch of people go into it with good intentions, but their strategy is, well, if I want to make a difference, I have to be on the team. And if I want to make a difference, I have to get on that committee, right?

Because you have all these different committees that have oversight and jurisdiction on these areas like, you know, energy and commerce, natural resources, judiciary, intelligence, you know, foreign affairs, etc, etc, etc. So depending on your district and what you want to do and, you know, where you want to go, a lot of people say, well, I got to get on this committee. And I just told you, I've already been denied. I've already been told that, hey, you're not getting on that committee because of who you are and what you're about. So that's part of it.

And then if you take that a step further, you'll actually hear members, everybody knows it. It's like, well, if I really want to make a difference, then not only do I need to be on that committee, but I need to work my way up to where I'm the chairman of that committee or I'm the chairman of a subcommittee, right? And it's got its own hierarchy, right? With, within, it's not just the speaker of the house.

I mean, there's a hierarchy within. And I think a lot of people with good intentions go there and say, if I want to make a difference, I've got to play the game enough to where I get seniority, to where I can actually dictate how things work, what we focus our time on, what's allowed, what's not allowed, you know, who I want on my team, et cetera, et cetera. And so the problem is, is that often it takes multiple terms to get to that point.

And my opinion is by the time a lot of these people finally achieve that goal, they're comfortable. And they don't want to rock the boat. They want to keep doing what they're doing. And I think that a lot of times we're all good at justifying right to ourselves and just, oh, it's, you know, justifying away some of the dumb things we do or the dumb things that we say.

And I think that that's a part of it as well. So, who controls the committees? Would it be Speaker of the House, McCarthy? Well, you know, the party leadership control, you know, has a good amount of control over that. So, so they're outside of, outside of just, you know, your tip, the speaker, the house is the, you know, the speaker, the house, is the, you know, the head guy.

And then, and then you have, you have multiple people, you know, underneath that, and you have your committee chairs. And like I said, it's a hierarchy. And what, what you'll find is, is a lot of the, a lot of the people that actually, I would say mainstream Americans see as champions in the house, the chances of you ever getting to a level of hierarchy or leadership are pretty slim to none because you didn't play ball, you didn't play the game. And so I think that, you know, expectation management is important.

And so I went in with the expectation that I'd never, I'd never be in leadership. I'll, I'll never be liked up there. And that's okay, man, I didn't go up there to be, and I told you that I'm the first one. I didn't go up there to be and I told you that on the first one. I didn't go up there to be liked But I do want to try to be a part of saving this country. No There's no in my opinion. There's I Mean maybe maybe and I think that there's I think that there's members that are way better at it than I am They're they're just you know, they're good at, you know,

building those relationships, hustling around, knowing what everybody's doing, and then, and then even taking stands on stuff. I'm not gonna sit here and say like I'm, you know, graded, graded anything. But I know that there are members that are, I would say are doing a better job than I am of, you know, graded anything. But I know that there are members that are, I would say are doing a better job than I am of, you know, putting themselves in a position to influence

and have more authority or leadership prospect, opportunity down the road, but still holding the line. So if that makes any sense. Yeah, it does. I mean, you know, with the, actually, what about blackmail? Is there a lot of blackmail going on? I mean, there's all these traps that they could set.

Yeah, they could, and some people are gonna call me who can spare a spirit. I don't know what you're gonna say. I'm sure there is. I mean, prostitution, you know? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there is. Underage women, a lot of people think Epstein

was a black male guy, you know, and a very effective one, obviously. But if you heard or seen any of that stuff going on within Congress as well. I personally haven't, but would I be surprised? Not at all. Okay. I don't know. All right. Well, I forgot to give you your gift and then we'll change subjects here, but I know this is the only reason you came back. Oh, yeah, gummy bears. Vigilance league gummy bears. Hand those out, maybe they'll.

Thank you. It'll make some Vodys day over there. That's right. But let's just start right at the beginning here. So right when you stepped in, you did not support Kevin McCarthy for the House Speaker in the 15th final round of voting. You voted present. Yep. From what I understand, you are kicked out of his office. Yep. Well, how did that go?

So this, I got kicked out of Kevin's office before any of this even, before I was even sworn into Congress, before the voting even started. And you know, Kevin was doing it. He was doing a checkup on people that didn't vote for him in conference before any of that spilled out on the national television. We actually voted in conference for who we wanted to be, who we wanted to be speaker. And Kevin won, but there were I think 36 of us that didn't vote for Kevin. Why didn't you vote for him?

A couple of reasons. One, Kevin's not a conservative. He's just not. Kevin, you know, and I'm going to do some level setting here. I'm going to tell you, Kevin's a smart dude. He's a political animal. I Know he's worked his tail off to get where he's at That being said

Like I said, he's not he doesn't he hasn't he hasn't Carried himself in a way in his career. They would make me want to see him as speaker because I want to see somebody more conservative who has a more conservative voting record um, and then here's here's probably even the biggest one. I heard a lot of things when I campaigned. I campaigned for like a year and a half. Traveled all over my district met with people all the time. That was one of the number one things that people told me. Please do not vote for Kevin McCarthy if we elect you. Really? Don't do it. Because they're sick. They're sick of the status quo. They're sick of the uniparty. They're sick of career politicians.

And that's what They're sick of career politicians and That's what that's exactly what they see when they look at Kevin McCarthy Why don't why do you say Kevin McCarthy is not a conservative? I mean, I Just want you to know that you know, you're You're completely immersed in this. Yeah, you know in most Americans including myself or not. Yeah, and I view them as a conservative. I don. Yeah. And I view them as a conservative. I don't even know why I view them as a conservative. Probably because he's a Republican. So there's 435 people in Congress, usually.

I think we might have 434. But within each conference, I think we have 222 Republicans and then the Democrats, I think have 213 or something like that. Within each group of 200 plus, you have different groups, different factions, right? On the Democrat side of the aisle, you have the squad. They're their their own radical group. And then on our side, the group that I'm a part of the Freedom Caucus is considered the radical group. Okay, okay. And so, but what is what is the rat, what

is the radical group, at least on our side? We don't want to keep spending money. We don't have printing money. We don't have and you know We're the guys that routinely you a lot a lot of you know for depending on how, you know, engage your viewers are in politics, where the guys usually fighting against the Uniparty and trying to pump the brakes and stop what's going,

what's consistently going on, the status quo, if you will. Now there are members of the freedom, that aren't of the freedom caucus that will routinely jump in and do the same thing. So it's not, it's not as if you have to be a member of the freedom caucus to do that. Like one of the most popular politicians is named Matt Gates from Florida. Matt's not a member of the freedom caucus. You know, some people love Matt, some people hate him. I think he's one of the Freedom Caucus. You know, some people love Matt, some people hate him. I think he's one of the smartest guys up there.

And I'm glad he's on our side. And he's not afraid to, he's not afraid to get into a fight. He's not afraid to tell people what he thinks. He's not afraid to piss off his own side. And, you know, Sean, I'm very concerned with the agenda, the Democrats. I'm very concerned with their agenda, but I'm probably more concerned with Republicans.

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the madness. And often we're not. You know, it's like we had a debt ceiling vote this last week. The, the, yeah, this last week. And Republicans under the leadership of Kevin McCarthy went and made a deal with Democrats. And that was one of the things. As soon as I won my race, I went to a Freedom Caucus boot camp. They do their own little like orientation.

And they told the older guys there told me, hey, if you guys elect Kevin McCarthy, if you're a part of electing him, this is exactly what he's going to do. Several of them said it. Because this is what he's done for years. He's gone and made deals with Democrats. And so what did he do? There was actually more Democrats that voted for that debt ceiling deal than Republicans.

I believe he had 165 Democrats and 149 Republicans. And so, yeah, to me, that's pretty problematic. Yeah. Well, actually, to get into that, I would like to go back and talk about McCarthy, but since we're on the debt ceiling, because it's, you know, it's timely and everybody's wondering about it. And you were one of the only guys standing up against it. I don't understand the I hear people talking about it all the time. The debt ceiling. Yeah, this is in our money. For people talking about it all the time, the debt ceiling, this is in our money, it seems like we have this discussion every year or every other year.

It's always a topic of discussion. It always gets lifted every single time. Who do we owe this money to? Or do we owe anybody or we just print and shit? I mean, I don't understand, I'm not for it, not for lifting the debt ceiling. I don't know, I just know that we don't need to be printing more money because I can see the cost of goods just rising and rising and rising and rising.

I mean, it's real estate through the roof. You know, everything, the cost of food through the roof, the cost of gasoline was through the roof. It's still high, but it's not as high as it was, but everything just got inflated. You know, but I don't know if that's because we're raising the debt ceiling. I don't know what implications we have. I don't know who we owe the money to, you know, if we default on it. Where's this? What are the implications of raising the debt ceiling? Can you, can you walk us through this?

Well, first of all, again, I'm not an economist, right? But I know that I know that this can't continue. I know that no country in the history of the world has been able to continually print money that it didn't have. I think that we're we're able to do it because we've had such economic prowess for a long time. And we still are the dollar still the global reserve currency. Okay. And if that goes away, I think we're going to be in real trouble. But it's like, we just keep spending money faster and faster and faster. And it's always, hey, it's always easier. It's always so easy to spend somebody else's money, right? And that's a big part of the problem, but here,

let me tell you what happens if you try and make cuts up there, and we have. When we started talking about making cuts, the Democrats said, oh, the first attack that they used is that Republicans are trying to cut social security and Medicare, even though we weren't going after any mandatory spending. And those are considered mandatory programs, right? And so thankfully, we all got, we all got on the PR horse. Everybody got out there in Unison.

Republicans were working together on that saying, hey, that's not the case. And it wasn't the case. It was never a part of any of the conversations that I was ever in, okay. Then we started working on passing our bill out of the house, which actually for Congress and the federal government was a step in the right direction.

It still raised the debt ceiling, I think, $1.5 trillion. And it was called the Limit Saved Grow Act. But in it, we cut the money for the 87,000 IRS agents. We had the Reigns Act in there. We put the Reigns Act, which is basically a lot of these bureaucratic institutions, the American people don't elect and they do spend a lot of money. The Reigns Act said that they had to get permission to Congress if they were going to spend over a certain dollar amount.

That was a good part of it. We also cut the student loan bailout money, which Americans were furious about. They were like, why are we bailing people out for student loans that they took when many Americans have paid their student loans off, right? And then we cut the green new deal money, or they called it the IRA, the inflation reduction act, we cut that money. We took, we were going to rescind all the COVID money that was still, because there's still a lot of COVID money out there. We were going to rescind that as well. And so even though it wasn't a perfect bill, it actually had cuts in it.

And I was talking to guys that have been up there for a long time. And I think there were four or five guys that didn't vote for it. And 80% of that bill was probably, and this is what I was told, 80% of that bill came out of the House Freedom Caucus, which I'm a part of, which is your furthest right,

you're most conservative people up there. And so it was definitely a step in the right direction, though not great, right? And that got 218 votes, and you need 218 votes, if basically if everybody shows up to pass a bill in Congress. So that was the bill, that was the bill that we ran. And then the bill that they just passed, it's going to probably be at least $4 trillion. There wasn't even a dollar amount. It was uncapped. And it was to January 2025. And almost all of that stuff that I just

talked about, all those cuts, more or less gone. And so that's why there were a lot of us. I think 70, 70 Republicans, I believe, that voted against it because we're just like no, man and and you know, I'll be honest and I'll even you know, I'll even I'll be honest and say look I Understand it Kevin McCarthy had to go negotiate with a Democrat controlled Senate and then also president Biden I think everybody knew that we weren't gonna be able to You know pass the same exact bill or I shouldn't say that. I should say, I think a lot of us figured that, you know, there would be compromise, but not to the level that, not to the level that we saw. And so that's why a lot of Republicans, you saw a lot of Republicans that weren't

even members of the House Freedom Caucus, it said, I can't support this. You know, and even on the bill that we passed out of the House that I just told you about that had all those cuts in it, this was an interesting time for me because I ended up actually I think being the swing vote on that one. Really? Yeah. I think I was the last guy to vote if I wouldn't have if I wouldn't have voted yes, I think I'm pretty sure it would have failed. And I was a no, pretty hard no going into that, into that vote. Just because I'm like we just we can't keep we can't keep raising the debt limit, right? Even though everybody and their brother told me and everybody else that, hey, if we don't pass something,

we'll get something worse. But the night before the vote, I did a little town hall with, you know, I think it was 12 people that had supported me for a long time and some key people in my district. And I think I asked the question, just like I did for Kevin McCarthy though, what do you guys think?

I'm gonna put you in the room, I'm gonna tell you, you know, I'm gonna paint the picture for you as best I can, I'm gonna tell you what I think the pros and the cons are. I'm leaning no, but picture for you as best I can. I'm going to tell you what I think the pros and the cons are. I'm leaning no, but what do you guys think? And on that call, with only 12 people, I think 10 out of the 12 of them said we want you to do it. We want you to vote for it, which really surprised me.

And so I was like, uh-oh, I miss judged what I thought my voters would say. So the very next day, I had my team rush out a survey to all the other counties within my district. And I told them, I need you guys to get back to me ASAP, get as many responses as possible. Same thing, these are the pros, these are the cons. I'm leaning no. And I think we had close to 500 respondents.

And I think it was 79.6 of the people that responded, told me they wanted me to vote for it. And so I was like, even then I was still the last guy to vote because dude, I was sweating bullets. My gut was telling me, don't do it. But then, I knew that this was one of the best, one of the, according to this more experienced members of the House Freedom Caucus,

this was one of the best bills they'd ever seen as far as a debt limit bill because it actually had cuts in it. And then my voters, the vast majority of them that responded to the survey said they wanna meet a vote for it, so I was like, I was torn man. And I was like, in that situation, you're a representative.

You know, you represent this amount of people, you're supposed to be their voice there. So what do you do, right? Do you go with what you, you're pretty confident that people in your district want you to do, or do you go with your gut? And I went with what I thought that, you know, they wanted me to do.

Well, for whatever it's worth, I think you're doing the right thing. I did hear some, I'm, I am curious, you know, originally I was completely against the student loan debt relief. I thought it was a trotious. Yeah. Then I kind of changed my mind.

And reason being I see all I see is just money being fucking pumped into Ukraine, into the end of the wars that we fought in, into Syria, and it's none of the fucking money seems to come to our own people. It doesn't go to the border, it doesn't go to, it doesn't seem to go to anything unless I don't know, maybe the LBGTQ plus community that seems to get a lot of attention. But, you know, and we do have, I mean, I understand your thought process

because that was my original thought process too. This is bullshit. If all these other people had to pay for their fucking college, then these people need to pay for it too. Well, you know, then I started thinking about it and I was like, why not invest into our own people? What's, why wouldn't we invest into our own people?

That's something I would like to see more of as us invest into our own people and quit sending all this money to fucking Ukraine and all in everywhere else in the world that has a problem. Everybody in the world has a problem. We send a money. We got a problem, there's no money. We got school shootings going on non-stop, nothing's being done about it, on either side, nobody's shitting out any money for the

schools, nobody's shitting any money out for these, I mean these kids are, you know, they are, they are drowning in debt and they can't buy home or they think they can't buy home. And so I don't know. To me, it's like, yeah, it would be good to see the U.S. government invest in its own people for once. And so why don't you agree with that? Well, you know, going back to, you know, being fiscally conservative, one, I don't think that's the government's job to, you know, pay, you know, I mean, what's, I think that's a really slippery slope and secondly, we can't afford it, right?

We're $32 trillion in debt and as of January of, you know, 2025, we're gonna be at least $36, probably $37 trillion in debt. So I just think that, you know, when, and I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna argue that, hey, if you're gonna spend money frivolously and I'm not gonna argue that that wouldn't be a good, you know, if you're gonna do it anyway, I mean, that's a pretty, that would be up there on the list of

one of the best ways to do it. I'm just, my point is it's like, before you start, you know, Before you start, you know, giving handouts and, you know, stuff like that, get your house in order. Pay off your debts, right? Quit spending money you don't, quit spending money you don't have. Like, you know, and sometimes I like to take big problems and I like to shrink them down. I like to, just for simplicity's sake. And I know that they're, you know, it's not it's not always tit for tat, but it's like, if you had, like, if you personally had,

you know, $3 million in debt, right? Or say, you know, say you had $300,000 in debt, whatever it was. And I saw you out, you know, taking lines of credit or your credit cards and spending them on, you know, somebody else's family. And let's say on top of it, I know that your kids are hungry, right? And I know that, you you haven't paid that ticket that you owe or you know I know that you know just I know things about you that like you're just not being financially responsible at all. We all know people like that. But yet I see you take your credit card and you know you go buy some

you go run up more debt buying somebody else else, you know, food or something, something that we could even say is virtuous. I would say as your friend, hey, I think that that's nice that you did that, but as a brother and somebody who cares about you and cares about your kid and cares about you just personally, you should probably pay off this debt that you owe, put some food in your kid's mouth before you start going out and paying somebody else's rent, or does that make any sense? That would be my logic behind that.

You just want to rein it all in. I did it. That would be my logic behind that. You just, you wanna bring it all in. I did it. How do you, what other way is there? I did it. I did it. You know, it's like, it's hard to shun because like, one of the things I saw as we, as we're trying to make these cuts,

one of the very effective things that the other side did is the better affairs, the head of veterans affairs, who used to be Obama's chief of staff basically put out a press really saying that, and you probably saw this. I know a lot of veterans texted me and reached out to me, but he said that we were going to cut VA spending by 22% Which was completely nice. I saw that. I know what he what they did was they they took a look at the cuts that were we're proposing And they just you know took 22% like off the top of everything

Even though that's not how we were gonna do it. And I think they knew that. What we were targeting was woken weaponized spending of the, from the federal government. And I just went through some of the cuts that we were actually going after. Never once was I on a phone call in a meeting and keep in mind I'm part of the group that was proposing a lot of the cuts and trying to pump the brakes

Not one time did anybody say hey, let's let's cut the let's cut VA's budget by 22% But when they did that It kicked up kicked over Hornets nest Yeah, and that's that's what they do anytime you start talking about making cuts up on Capitol Hill. They start pulling people's heart strings, saying, you know, Sean, you know, Eli doesn't care about, Eli doesn't care about veterans, Eli doesn't care about this, that, and that it's effective because, you know because then your phone starts ringing. I mean, back and up real quick,

I just wanted to say this, yeah, I do understand the student loan stuff. I mean, handouts just create entitled weak people. Yeah, it just does. Yeah, I do like the fact that, you know, was maybe we would have invested and rural people, but with that being said, I mean, you see it. You see it with the social programs.

No, you do. You know, you see it, they get comfortable, they get used to the free handout, and it creates lazy, weak people. It does. We have a lot of lazy, weak people. No, it does. Like if I went into like, I would, you into, I don't think I've ever had a conversation

with you about how you started this amazing business. But I doubt it was, I doubt Old Uncle Sam came in here and gave you a hand out. I wish he did, but he did not. I think you worked your tell off and were creative and took some risks, you know. And I know that not everybody, I know that we're not all created, you know, the same. I know we have different strengths and weaknesses.

And I do think that there's a small role for, you know, government to kind of be a safety net for certain individuals. but I think it's gotten way out of control. And that was another thing that we were trying to cut. It was some, you know, it was part of the SNAP program. People that are able-bodied individuals that are still on the government, you know, T, if you will, we're trying to get some of them off and back to work. Right. And so, yeah, man, I just think that you've, we've got to get back to, you know, a country that has a little bit more fiscal responsibility. And I, you know, it's like that old, that old adage, you know, you, you give a man a fish, he eats for a day,

you teach him how to fish, he eats for the rest of his life. When I look at the spirit of this country and the people that impress me the most, you know, America does, you know, have a, you know, a level of Pioneer entrepreneurial spirit about it, you know, because Capitalism is such an amazing thing and I Think it's brought so much prosperity to so many Americans and You know, I want to see that continue to be a thing and I do believe that they're, you know, socialism is It's this cancer that continues to metastasize within our culture, in our country. And, and programs like that, like,

hey, yeah, let's just pay people, let's just pay people's student loan off. I think it's, I think it's a slippery slope and I think it's a, you know, I think it's a slow, slow march to socialism. And I think that's what a lot of people want. I think they want. And it's sad too, Sean, because you know, it's like when you look at what kids are being taught now in, you know, world history. And I'm not being taught about, you know, that evils and, you know, just what socialism has done around the globe. How many hundreds of millions of people have died at the hands of it? It's a bunch of promises. And it's like the folks at the very, very top get really wealthy. and the folks usually the masses and the people that are supposed to be in taking care of, go to Venezuela, go to places around the world where socialism has failed.

It's the most debunked economic idea of all time. It's never worked. And what did they tell you every single time you have a conversation with a socialist? Well, it hasn never, it's never worked. And what do they tell you every single time? You have a conversation with a socialist. Well, it doesn't, it hasn't been done right yet, right? And it might, I mean, usually, it usually after about a 20, 20 year period starts to completely unravel. So, I mean, you, it'll be okay for a couple of years, but then sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

That makes sense. Going back also with the veterans of Ferris stuff and the, and the whatever you want to call it, the smear campaign. Everybody knows there's a lot of lying that goes on about X. Oh yeah. And so what I want to ask you is why are there not any consequences to slandering somebody's name or how they voted? I mean, I'm sure this is a, this is a rookie question, but why can't you slap a defamation suit against somebody and sue them? Well, we just tried to do that this week. We tried to censure Adam Schiff and Apolline Aluna

drop-day Emotion to do you know that would do just that a bill that would do just that and Unfortunately 20 Republicans voted against it for I think a variety of different reasons. What was this? What was this bill? I don't remember the exact Nomenclature or number to it, but Annapoll, if you go look it up, Annapollina Luna And it was just I think was yesterday Finally got her her her bill to the floor that would censure Adam Schiff Make ethics the House ethics committee actually investigate the lies that he told during this whole russia gate thing when he was like the chairman of Intel.

Knowingly lied to Congress, knowingly lied to the American people. I think he wasted, I think it cost the American people $32 million to do some of the impeachment investigations, I believe. And I'm just trying to go off the memory here. What was the line about? I'm not familiar with all of us. That Trump was colluding with the Russians. You remember that whole russia gate?

I do. Yeah. And then the impeachment that followed, a lot of that was, uh, Adam Schiff, who's now running for, who's a congressman, a sitting congressman from California, who's now running for Senate. So she tried to sent, um, um, sent, sent your Adam Schiff and then part of what she had in there was that if House ethics finds him guilty, he can be fined up to $16 million, which would have been half of what the American taxpayer spent on the, all the legal fees associated with that whole debacle. associated with that whole debacle. So he so he hold on, let me get this straight. So he withheld evidence or he lied.

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Rich Valdez, America at Night, follow the podcast, wherever you listen. B. He knowingly lied. And so, yeah, I'm sure a lot of your viewers are familiar with, oh, I mean, it was wall-to-wall TV several years ago, Trump colluded with the Russians. They've tried it out, I'm on the dead track. They've trotted out I think 50, 51 members

of the intelligence committee, or the intelligence agencies saying that Trump colluded with the Russians, you know, and it was all completely made up. And so she did try, and we did, many of us tried to hold Adam Schiff accountable for his lies, but because we had 20 Republicans vote against it, we weren't able to get it over to finish something.

That being said, she's actually gonna, because she's awesome. And if you guys don't follow her already, I highly suggest you do. She's gonna refile them next week, so. Nice. Yeah. So why does it have to go through Congress

to why can't you just still amounts, I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, I really, I think there is some insulation, you know, special treatment. Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't know all the legalities of that. And I apologize once again, you know, being a, being a freshman, I don't know a ton of things, but, you know, I don't know what, I don't know what that would even look like, but I know that Congress, we just tried to hold one

of our own accountable. And there's members of Congress being investigated all the time. But I think because of the politics involved, often it doesn't really go anymore. Well, let's dive into the uniporty. Yeah, I just want to hear you speak on it. Yeah. Because it's it's it's it's being brought up more and more and more. Yeah. And so what what's going on here with the Uniparty? Yeah. So and again, this is just my perspective on it, but Washington, D.C., to me, seems like this massive machine, right? And there's so many groups and institutions and special interests and lobbyist groups that benefit from the money that constantly

gets pumped out of that place, right? And so because a lot of those lobbyists and special interest groups support politicians often, and they'll support politicians on both sides of the aisle, it really doesn't matter to them. Matter of fact, if it is bipartisan, if they get bipartisan support, meaning they get Republican support and Democrat support for the same thing,

it's often a much better chance that they'll get whatever they're pushing for over the finish line. Okay, so because of that, oftentimes you'll see, you'll see like what you just saw last week with it, with at least $4 trillion. And 165 Democrats voting for a bill, and 149 Republicans voting for a bill.

And now they don't, because one of the things that we proposed when we were doing our bill was that it would only go to next year, I believe it was March next year, but they pushed in their bill that they passed this last week, they pushed it out two years so they wouldn't have to deal with it again next year, right? And so like if you were in financial trouble, Sean, or even like, let's say your marriage was in trouble. The marriage, you know, you'd probably be like, the marriage counselor probably wouldn't

be like, hey, come back in two years. He'd probably be like, hey, I want to see you next week. And if it was more, the problem was more intense. Hey, I want to see you two or three times this week. And so when we passed our bill, we actually wanted it to be kind of a short turnaround period so that we could, what we we actually wanted it to be kind of a short turnaround period so that we could, what we were saying is take another bite at the apple. We got these, we got these cuts in there on this one. Let's come back here, you know, in a few months and do this again. Take another stab at it, get more cuts, right?

Have this, keep having this conversation. But what they did, what the uniparty did, is they pushed it out a couple years. There was no cap on it. And then, but what's the result of that? Everybody gets paid for two years. It wasn't quite two years, but everybody gets paid for a while. We don't have to worry about that for a while. So that's a big part of it. And it's always, you know, the same culprits, money and power, right? And they kind of work together. And even the media works, even the media works with them. And I mean, you knew that, your viewers knew that. But I would, you know, even, you know, and I think that I think that this is one thing that, you know,

even Republicans in conservative saw have started to see over the last couple of years. Some of the people that you watched on TV for many years and trusted might not be as patriotic or as conservative as you think. And that's tough. That's tough to even say, man. But all I can tell you is in the midst of that speaker fight, when it seems like the weight of the world is barren down on you, your wildly outnumbered 10 to one in your own party

and people on television that you've watched for years and listen to on the radio or saying that you're a terrorist and you know You're an idiot and you're a moron and what are you doing? You're gonna give control to the Democrats? That's something you'll never you never forget And that's not to say that that's not to say that I don't have grace because I think we all get it wrong from time to time but that was very I that was a very eye opening experience for me to watch the media give air cover to the Uniparty when what it should have been doing was, in my opinion, covering for the actual conservatives that were fighting for change in that fight, fighting for, you know, a check on the Uniparty. Well, I think, I mean, I think I know who you're talking

about. There's not just one person, there's multiple people. Yeah, well, we just saw big news corporation, you know, when we just saw how controlled they are with the Tucker Carlson thing, you know, I mean it just Right there just proved it. Yep It proved all of it. Yep, you know, now they're what are they slapping with a cease and desist? He's not I mean I haven't even seen what they slapped him with but he was their top guy. Yeah, and I you know I do believe Tucker Carlson is a true teller. And I believe he has more courage than the vast majority of people in this country, probably on worldwide.

Because you know you've heard that saying it's always a lot further fall from the top. And whether you're in politics, professionally in the media, et cetera, not a lot of people have the courage to roll the dice when they've gotten comfortable. And they feel like they've got a lot to lose. But that's one thing that I, whether you agree with Tucker Carlson or not,

whether you agree with everything he's said or, you know, every story he's ever run or not, that guy has courage, dude. And that was pretty telling what Fox did. Yeah, well, the ratings are way down. What are some other things that the Uniparties involved in? Like, one of the things that surprises me like is holding people accountable, right? That's something that I think that there's a strong uniparty current on.

One of the, like, you know, raise your hand out there if you're a Republican and you think Secretary Mayorkis is doing a good job. Raise your hand if you think he's derelict in his duties. Raise your hand if you think he should be fired. Right? And this is one of the things that just blows me away. I mean, how much evidence do you have to see before you're like, okay, this guy has to go.

And even if you guys are gonna replace him with somebody bad or even worse, we'll deal with that guy when he gets here or that guy when she gets here, but this guy needs to go. Okay. And they'll be, they'll be, you know, Democrats and Republicans that, you know, all the Democrats would stop that, but there would be Republicans that wouldn't vote with us either to make that happen.

And so you'll see, you'll see stuff like that where Americans are like, they're begging, Sean, they're begging for somebody to be held accountable. Like it, it makes them sick. It makes it sick to their stomach, dude, knowing that they're, that there is a double standard, one for them and one for people with influence, you know, in high ranking positions. And that's a, that's another, that's another area where the uniparty will often, you know, move in lock step, make deals, cut deals. Well, let's move into Mallorca and what's going on there. I want to expound on names because a lot of people don't, you know, I'm one of them. I don't know all the names. I'm not immersed in this stuff. I'm very concerned about the country. You're probably a much healthier person that you don't know the names. Oh, no, I don't know if I would say that because I'm aware of what's going on down at the

border, but I put in all the names together. I mean, there's hundreds of names. And so, what's my Ororkas headed to parliament on land security, right? Secretary Mayorkas. And what we're getting into is the southern border. Yeah. So what's going on down there? You've been down there.

Yeah, it's a, I mean, it's a disaster. I, I, I'm from Arizona. I, you know, I, I was born into son raised in Yuma right on the southern border. You know, the last, to Son raised in Yuma right on the Southern border. The last time I spent a good amount of time down there was a trip that we did in the Homeland Security Committee. We are actually in Texas. But it's a disaster, man.

It's a disaster. And it's a disaster because for a couple of different reasons, one on day one of this administration, they changed all the policies that the Trump administration had in place to really tighten up this other border. So you got that going on. And then also it doesn't help when you have Presidential candidate Biden at the time saying during

His campaign, you know, and and I quote it often, you know to when I'm in a Homeland Security Committee hearing you know, he would he would say hey if if you want to come here Come come hearing, you know, he would say, hey, if you want to come here, come, come, you know, if and I forgive me for not having the quote memorized, but you can go, you can go look up multiple times where he said, you know, hey, if you, if you want to come here and you, you're fleeing oppression or whatever, or you just want to come, come. First of all, the idea that Joe Biden said come because I heard the other day that they're coming because I know I'm a nice guy. Sure that there is, we immediately surge to the border.

All those people are seeking asylum. They deserve to be heard. That's who we are. We're a nation that says if you want to flee and you're fleeing oppression, you should come. They're seeking asylum. First time ever, we've told people they can't come to America. That ends, the cage is closed. Those who come seeking asylum,

we should immediately have the capacity to absorb them, keep them safe until they can be heard. There were even, there have been, you know, folks that were coming here illegally asked by, you know, reporters, hey, why are you coming? And they're like, oh, you know, soon as Biden got elected, we knew that's what he said. And, matter of fact, this week I had, we had

acting secretary Chad Wolf um in Homeland Security and then we had chief of board of patrol um in there and They were saying the same thing they they said as soon as they saw then Canada Biden saying that they they knew what it was going to lead to if he did win and then of course

Day one along with canceling the keystone XL pipeline is going to lead to if he did win. And then of course, day one, along with canceling the Keystone XL pipeline, they stop construction on the wall. You can fly over the southern border right now and see just stacks of steel stacked up that the American taxpayer already paid for. That could be used as a deterrent. But isn't, you know, the construction didn't continue to finish that wall.

And it was interesting because I'm trying to think of his name, the chief Border Patrol guy that was in there this week. One of the most interesting things he said in the hearing this week, he said that he'd been in the border patrol for like five different administrations, Republicans, Democrats, Republicans, Democrats alike. And he said, this is the first one he's seen where if him and his colleagues actually brought up deterrence and stopping whether it was fentanyl, drugs, illegals, gay, human trafficking. Anything, if they talked about deterrence, they were shut down immediately.

Really? Yeah, didn't even want to hear the suggestions. Why do you think, what's with the open borders? What do they open to accomplish? Well, I think, I don't think it's, you know, one simple answer like a lot of things. I think it's complicated like human beings are complicated, but I think there's a couple different buckets there in my opinion. I think I think there are globalists around the world and within our own country that don't

want to see, you know, they don't want to see borders anymore. I think they want to see us all push towards one-world government. I also think that there are people within this country that are literally trying to destroy this country so they can remake it into whatever utopia that they think that they can socially engineer. I mean, it's like, you know, a lot of times, if you're gonna, if you want to rebuild a house, but there's already a house there, sometimes it's just easier to tear it down. So I do believe there's an aspect of that there. And I also believe that I do believe that there are some And I also believe that I do believe that there are some that believe if they continue to bring people into the country, they can increase their voting base.

Right? So I think that there's a bunch of different things that you're looking at there. But yeah, it's concerning because one of the most, right now, one of the most alarming data points that you can look at is, I think, in the last year, just 71,000 fentanyl deaths, over 71,000 fentanyl deaths. And that's just one drug, right? And I think I want to say, and forgive me if I get this wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly, I think it was, it's costing like $180 billion to the American taxpayers since Joe Biden's taken over, right?

100, just no big deal, 180 billion. And I think if you break that down for taxpayer, it was like $1,100. So you're paying for that. And it was interesting because when we went down to Texas, Sean, they had these massive white tents look like something you'd see over in Iraq or Afghanistan or something like some military tent that we would go in and out of all the time. And they would, you know, they were holding facilities, right, for some of these folks whether they were being processed after they came into the country illegally. And, and I'm trying to, I think, I think each one of them cost,

I wanna say it was like $90 million or something like that. And, $90 million. You know what, I'm gonna have to backtrack on that. I can't remember. I know what, I'm gonna have to backtrack on that. I can't remember. I know there were nine of them, and it was a ridiculous amount of money when I asked, or how much does he's one of these costs? And I apologize, I don't.

But it was like, it was an amount of money. I did a social, social, a post video about it at the time. I can't remember exactly, but it was a staggering tens of millions of dollars for each one of them, nine of them around the US. Each one took 60 board patrol agents off the line

from what I was told by board patrol. It's just so that they could babysit, you know, move people around, you know, that type of thing when those guys, so you're taking 60 against off the line. And these guys are already, they're already overrun. So it's like every time, and this was one of the things we talked about in the hearing.

It's like, the cartels aren't stupid. It's like the old misdirection play in football. We're gonna fake the run this way. And then, you know, we're pitching it to this guy on a reverse over here. And everybody's caught with their pants down, chasing this over here. And so it's just sad, man. It's sad. It's complete dereliction of duty. And these aren't like, like I tell people, these aren't just data points. That's not just the number 7-1 comma, zero, zero, zero on a piece of paper

like you have on that table. These are 70,000 families that have been destroyed, just this last year. That does, and then, you know, it's like you go through and you start, go Google MS-13, you know, MS-13 violence. Start pulling up the stories from this year alone. And you'll be like, oh my God, this guy, MS-13, dismembered this guy, five MS-13, you know, gang members killed this kid. You know, it's just like an on and on and on and on. It's like,

it's awful. It really is. I'm surprised it's not more than 71,000. If you, I don't know if there's any validity to this and it came from Fox News that the US, the current administration has involved in a human trafficking operation coming out of the southern borders. Is there any validity to that or is that just a hit piece? I don't know. I don't know that story, man. Okay. It's tough, man. I mean, you, I don't, you know, I, you see these headlines, you read the stories, most of them are opinion nowadays

and it's really hard to find facts, but I've seen that being kicked around here and there and I just wondered if you had any insight to that. When it comes to, you brought up a good point when it comes to the Southern border in the globalization and in these globalists. Let's talk about Biden turning over US sovereignty to the World Health Organization. Yeah. What's going on here? I talked about this with a reporter, I think she would be a reporter named Morgan Zeggers about a year ago.

And then I actually took that video down because I got word from some people I trust that that was bullshit. Now here we are talking about it again. Okay. So, and again, I'm not even, you know, I'm not an expert on the World Health Organization. All I can tell you is is that when we're starting to take marching orders from a global organization that has leaders running it that aren't elected by US citizens and have known influence over them by the Chinese Communist Party and others. That's a problem. That's a huge problem. And you saw, you saw even during COVID where organizations like the WHO had a say in had a say in how we were conducting ourselves here.

That's a massive problem. And it's like, at least if the guidance is coming from people that you can hire and fire, that's a good start for the American people. They can fire me every two years if they don't like the job that I'm doing, right? They can fire our president every every four years. But when you have some bureaucrat, some global bureaucrat that you have no control over how long this person stays in that job or he doesn't answer, he doesn't answer to any American citizens. Even though our tax dollars

fund a lot of that organization, some of the guidance coming out of some of these global groups during COVID, sorry man, it wasn't good and it didn't maintain our sovereignty. And that's a problem. What is this openness up to? How are they giving our sovereignty up to the... How is the Biden administration giving up our sovereignty, the World Health Organization? How are they giving our sovereignty? What are the specifics? How do they given our stuff? What is what is the what are the specifics? How what are the how do they come in? I don't know I don't know the

backstory on it. I just know that I just know that there's a I know that there's a push. And I know that there's you know, and I apologize I know that there's plenty of reporters that have really dug into this, but I know that their influence is growing way too strong, and I know that there are folks in our own country that are perfectly fine with the WHO having a pretty big say

and how we do things during like times of crisis, pandemic, et cetera. And that's not okay with the American people. Yeah, it's not okay with me either. I mean, I did this and then, like I said, I got from, I did this piece on it about a year ago. I think it was about a year ago. And I pulled it because I had all these reliable sources telling me, hey, you're wrong about this. That's not happening.

And the last thing I wanna do is mislead my audience. So if I make a mistake, I'll pull it. And I think that that speaks to your credibility, man. And I think that that's good. And I think that should be a goal for each and every one of us. If we're, you know, if we find out that we're putting out bad gouge or even misinformed, I think it, I think it really speaks to who you are, who you are if you're willing to walk it back and take

ownership of it. But even then, that's why they're, you know, I'll straight up tell you, hey, man, I don't know the answer to that. I don't appreciate it. I'm not an expert. I really don't think I'm an expert in anything. But I know I love my country. I know I'm concerned about the direction of it. I know there's a lot of shady stuff going on. I think our instincts are often,

and I hate to say that when we're talking about the World Health Organization, but I know there is a push to give them authorities over how we do things during global pandemics. And you hear a lot of these guys talking about, over how we do things during global pandemics. And you hear a lot of these guys talking about, oh, you know, there's more coming down the pipe and that was just a test run. And like I don't know exactly what these guys plans are.

All I know is that I don't think most American citizens would be okay with that in the slightest. They want the guidance that they're having to live under whether they're wearing a mask, whether they're businesses closed down, they won't actually be able to go talk to the people that are making those decisions or have some type of representation or communication with those people so that they can voice their concerns. And, you know, that's how it's supposed to be done in this country. It just, I mean, I think most Americans sense that.

Let's take a quick break. Thank you for listening to The Sean Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to iTunes and leave the Sean Ryan Show review. We read every review that comes through and we really appreciate the support. Thank you. Let's get back to the show. All right, Eli. We're back from the break And I gotta be honest, I got a bunch of questions for you, but let's talk about what you wanna talk about. So what do you think some of the most concerning things

in the country are right now that we're facing today? I know there's a lot of them, I have a lot of concerns. What are your top concerns for the country? For me, the biggest concern is just the cultural depravity, the cultural rot, destruction, whatever you want to call it. Because it's like, I'm in politics, but Andrew Breitbart said a long time ago. He said Politics is always downstream of culture So you often won't see anything you won't often see legislation or any bills floating around Congress until years after it's been bouncing around in culture, right media entertainment

bouncing around in culture, right? Media, entertainment, et cetera, and just people's day-to-day lives. And that's, and because I'm a Christian, and because I read the Bible, I do believe in good and evil. And a lot of this stuff I see, I just, I have no other context for it than, this stuff is wrong, this stuff is wicked. And even when I talk about culture, not all, and a lot of it, to me has a spiritual foundation, right?

And then a lot of the stuff that we see in the headlines are just manifestations or a byproduct of that, the spiritual side of things. And I know a lot of people are like, what are you talking about? You're crazy, that's okay. I don't need everybody to believe everything or agree with everything I say.

I'm just gonna tell people what I really think. I believe everything, I agree with everything I say, I'm just gonna tell people what I really think. But even outside of the spiritual aspect of our cultural unraveling, there's also the cultural side, like the totalitarian bent, the communist bent, the socialist bent within our culture, right? If you go, like if your viewers go

starting up on cultural Marxism, if they go start watching your e-Bezmanoff, if you ever watch your ebesman off videos, the XKGB, I watch a couple. Okay, he talks about ideological subversion, he talks about the steps of it, how long it takes, you know, I believe that a lot of, you know, a lot of what's going on in America right now, it's the, it's basic, a house divided cannot stand, right? Let's divide these guys up every which way possible.

And then let's start picking them apart. Let's start turning them against each other. And that's what I see, that's what I see. I think that's the biggest problem because I think that if we were more united as Americans and less divided, I think that there's nothing that we couldn't overcome or defeat, but because we fall and pray

to some of this cultural Marxism, and there are several words for it. cultural Marxism and there are a bunch, there are several words for it. You know, I think that's one of the most, at least in my opinion, accurate depictions of it. There's a guy named Dr. Vody Bachum. He doesn't look anything like me. Big black preacher was going to play pro football, but then, you know, he got influenced and ended up going into ministry, went to like Oxford, a bunch of, you know,

very impressive schools, very impressive resume. And he's actually one of the few preachers that I've heard talk about cultural issues. And one of the interviews I heard him give, he talked about how he was invited on CNN one time when Obama was president. And they asked him, you think the current, now that there's finally a black president,

you think that the culture's going to be more united. And he said, absolutely not. And they were blown away because he's a black guy. And he's like, because Barack Obama is a cultural Marxist, like many of his teachers before him. And I think you mentioned Jeremiah Wright, one of the pastors that Obama said under for a long time. I think you mentioned Jeremiah Wright, one of the pastors that Obama said under for a long time. And so, when you start to look at Marxism, traditional Marxism, they divide us up by economics, the haves, the have-nots, the proletariat, and the bourgeoisie, right? And they try and divide us up based on the rich and the poor.

That didn't work here in the West because of capitalism. And even the guy that was considered, you know, lower or middle class felt like, hey, I'm doing okay, man. I can buy a house, I can buy a car if I make wise choices and I can provide for my family, I'm doing okay. So that traditional Marxism didn't work here in the US. What has worked is cultural Marxism. So you start manipulating the ingredients, right?

You take the economic out of it and that's still there a little bit, but it's not really as effective. You'll see little doses of it here and there, but what you'll really see with cultural Marxism is you start making it about dividing us up, be a race and ethnicity. Ooh, now we got them.

Sexuality. A lot, a lot. Yeah, and just, right, and you can go really deep into this. I mean, there's a lot of folks that talk about this, you know, Ben Shapiro talk about it intersectionality, Charlie, you know, Charlie Kirk's, there's, you can go listen to a bunch of, you know, this cultural division and its origins from many different people.

And I've listened to a bunch of it, but that's my, that's one of my biggest concerns, because I know that that's even in the military, that's one of the tactics that we use, divide and conquer, right? Split them up. And then they're easier to attack. I mean, I've talked about this several times, and the thing that I can never get to the bottom of is where is this shit coming

from? Because you're right, it's right versus left, it's rich versus poor, it's black versus white, it's gay and not gay, trans and not trans. There's more, I just can't think of them all, but it's literally. It's born. Native born, foreign born. You know, there's so many ways that you can divide us up. And that's what's being done to our culture.

And it's, you know, it's, like I said, I think it's besides the spiritual rot, which I think is the foundation of it all. Where's this shit coming from? Is this from foreign influence? Is this internal influence? Is it both? I mean, where is this coming from?

And I'll stop there. I want to, I got more, I want to say, but we'll stop there. Where do you think this is coming from? Where's the influence? Well, I think, I think a lot of it started for it. But I think it started to, you know, like a lot of things. It started to spring up its own roots here, and then, you know, metastasize. Well, there definitely seeds planted. Right. So, Dr. Vody Bachum, if you go,

if you just go Google Dr. Vody Bachum, cultural Marxism, he does a sermon on it. And, you know, he goes through, He goes through the history of it. He goes back to Marx. Then he goes to the Frankfurt School and how a lot of this stuff then started getting piped into the West and how destructive it is. He gives a very articulate educational breakdown of its origins and you know what it's designed to do and so I highly suggest that you know your viewers go you know Google that or you know and then you start you start

watching some of Yuri Besmanov's stuff right I'm not sure what your take is on your investment off, but XKGB defector came to the West and started doing interviews I think in the 80s and talking about ideological subversion. You know, some of the, I think your viewers should watch that as well, but one of the things that I remember from, you know, the videos I was watching of him, he says, you know, you, you, you, you Americans, you think that in the KGB, we spent a lot of our money, our resources on the fancy James Bond, espionage stuff, like spy, spy gadgets, like that type of stuff. He's like, no. He said, I've talked with other pretty high rate. He members of the KGB that defected like I did. And he said, he said, we all agreed that probably closer

to 15% of our budget was spent on SB and OJN, that type of stuff, but he said, the vast majority of our budget went into ideological subversion, into your schools, into your media, into your media, into Hollywood, and into destroying you using your own culture. And so, and he goes, he actually, if you go watch those videos, he goes through, I think the four stages of it.

I think the first one is like demoralization. And he actually tells you how long each stage is supposed to take. And so I think that I think we're seeing the definitely the ladder stages, because even when he was shooting those videos back in... What are the ladder stages, the first one's demoralization? I can't remember. But they're fascinating. And even when he was Okay. But, but they're fascinating. And even when he was making these videos,

and they must have been in the 80s, maybe early 90s, you know, just you could tell by the picture quality, he was like, and it's already complete. That was the scary thing. Even back then, it was like, we couldn't even believe how quickly it took off here in the West.

So I think that's a part of it. So do you think this is coming from Russia? Do you think it's coming from China? I think it's coming from multiple places. And I think that, like if you go back and study Vody Bachum and some of his history, I think you'll see, it comes even from Karl Marx and some of those ideologies as well, but I think a lot of it does come from some of our enemies that basically

wanted to destroy us by dividing us. That makes a lot of sense. Do you think they're paying everybody? We already know they're paying people off. Are they paying people off to push these agendas? I Think yeah, I think I think that it's I think it's a lot many different buckets, but you know, you had switer on your show, right? from Was this book called Red handed and had it read handed, right?

This is one of the things that I'll often, you know, talk to and ask people about in Homeland Security that I've learned from his books and others like the whole elite capture, right? You know, you watch some of these things go on and it's like, how is this Chinese spy balloon allowed to fly over the US for a week. How are the Chinese able to actually set up police stations here? Why are we allowing the Chinese to buy a farmland near military installations, right? And where are we buying our power grid transformers from China when they can shut them off just like that. Why are we pushing towards, why are we pushing towards all electric vehicles

by 2030 knowing that the components and the ingredients that go into making those batteries come from China controlled land, right? China can control land, right? So, I mean, there's a lot of these things going on that doesn't make any sense without the explanation of corruption people are botten paid for. And I'm glad that guys like Peter writing books like that and to inform the American people.

I just wish on that more Americans actually looked into this stuff because what I've noticed, and this was something that I talked to people a lot about is the complacency that Americans have. We, and even often my own colleagues, and I know that a lot of them think that I'm this, you know, wacko, tenfoil hat wearing guy, but this can't continue forever, man.

And it's like, and it's like, and it's like, and so many, so many conspiracies have been proven true by now. Like, yeah, it's, no, I'm sorry. There's no more 10-foil hat shit. It's cats out of the bag, you know, everything so much has been exposed. Yeah, I still think there's some 10-foil hat stuff

and some craziness out there, but that being set to your point, there have been a lot of things that were conspiracies that have been proven true. And I think that it is important that we look into things and try and get a good grasp on them. But man, I tell you what, there's no way that some of the stuff that's been going on in this country could be going on unless, you know, some of our people were bought and paid for. Yeah, let me rephrase that. Yes, I do believe there's 10-fold has stuff.

I know where you were going with that. Yeah, there was definitely some far out there shit, but the stuff you're talking about, I don't know. No. That's not. I had stuff any other. Not at all. It's not. I am going to say something though. We see all these agendas being shoved down everybody's throat. Whether it's the racism or the big one right now, it's the LGBTQ plus community. A lot of pedophilia stuff is starting to get pushed, renaming pedophiles, maps, minor, attracted person. We're starting to see laws being passed in different states.

But, you know, I go out and I see these being pushed, push, push, push, push. It's everywhere in the media, It's all over social media. You know, it was just in Washington last weekend. And we met in, and I see, I see LGBTQ plus flags everywhere, everywhere I look. You know, on some of the government buildings, I don't even see an American people celebrating. I see like a little dumb party in the White House lawn where some dudes shaking his boobs around, you know, making a class is gone. But what I'm saying is, I guess what I'm trying to get at is the propaganda is so strong, it makes you think that everybody is into this, everybody.

We talked about that at dinner, but then you go and you see all the party supplies, but you don't see any people. I just want to say this because I think a lot of people in this country are losing hope because all they see are these agendas shoved in their face. You see it at Targaryen, you see it at Bud Light, you see it everywhere. And I'm not saying that everybody even has a problem with any of this stuff. I think that people are just tired of it being shoved in their face everywhere I go. Exactly. Exactly. I think most Americans are pretty accepting as far as, hey, if you live your life however you want to live your life, just don't shove it down my throat,

and definitely don't shove it down my kids throat. I think that's where Americans get the most pissed off. That's all I'm saying, but you don't see, you don't see, you see all this propaganda, but then there's nowhere to be found. I don't know anybody that's really supporting this kind of stuff. And I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm trying to bring a little bit of hope is to people by saying This is just a media front. I don't I don't think this agenda is as big as The media is making it appear and and even though you see it everywhere. You don't see

Yeah, massive amounts of support. I think the media is definitely, I think, you know, Hollywood, the media, that the usual suspects are definitely in full promotion mode. And, you know, just, I don't know, man, it's the, these are crazy times and like I said personally like I have my own beliefs and I'm if you live your life how you want to live your life man. Just don't push it down my throat and and and don't you know especially don't expose my kids to it. Those are those are things that those are things that I think should be you know and and you're

starting to see a lot of fights grew up around the country with parental rights right and just what kids are allowed to be taught at schools. Like, you could argue in many places, in a lot of these schools, our kids are being exposed to pornography without the consent of parents. And then if parents say something about it, they're attacked for wanting to burn books and censor. and it's just like, it's nonsense. And I think you're, you know, again, even that divides us, you know, so much more. But I've noticed that a lot of people

are looking for answers. I know that I know that I'm always looking for answers, man. I'm always like, what is this? Like what what's going on? What's what's really going on? And you know, I think that one of the places that I'll often go when I'm when I'm trying to like do the math Is I'll go read Matthew 24.

Matthew 24, Jesus disciples asked him, when are you coming back and what will the signs be? And he goes through this long list, boom, boom, boom. One after another after another after another. It's one of the longest answers Jesus ever gives in the Bible. And it's prophetic, like it's gonna happen in the future.

And one of the key statements in there is lawlessness will abound, hearts will grow cold. It's one of the things I see happening globally right now. Like, you just see lawlessness everywhere. You know, last time you turned on the TV, you just saw kids rushing into, you know, stores running out with stuff. People are so upset and pissed off at each other

that people's hearts are growing cold. It's getting harder and harder to love your neighbor, right? Yeah. And so, but Matthew 24, go read it for your viewers. Go read Matthew 24. I will. Yeah. No, it's a good one. What else does it say? So first he tells his disciples do not be deceived. And then he says, many will come in my name and say that they are the Christ. So you have, you know, false.

You'll have frauds, people saying that they're the Christ, right? And then he says, there will be wars, rumors, wars, earthquakes, pestilence, which is disease, and famines. And you know, don't be alarmed, these things must be take place, these things are just the beginning. These are the beginning of birth pains. He actually used that phrase, that terminology, which is interesting because what happens in birth pains, what happens when, you know, a woman's getting ready to get birth, it starts slow, right? Contractions aren't that bad and then they get more painful and they get more frequent and more frequent and painful and more frequent.

And I think that, and I know a lot of people are going to say, oh, this guy, he's cookie, he's a nut, but I believe that that's what I believe we're starting to see on the earth. I don't think that many people are gonna be like that, man. There's a lot of people reading the Bible these days. Yeah, well, I tell you what, man, I tell you what, that's a pretty good place. When things start spinning out of control. In my opinion, that's one place that it never hurts to go back to and have have your foundation. You know, of all the things that I've done in my life, of all the things I've screwed up, that's been one thing that's been one of the only things that's been consistent. Well, I mean, you know, I'm new at it. So I've been diving in and what brought me into that was just looking around and seeing. I mean, I'm just gonna be honest, man.

It just got to the point. Every fucking place I looked, I hate what I see. I hate seeing hearts growing cold. I hate seeing, there's nothing I look at the southern border. I'm disgusted. I look at the amount of money we're sending to Ukraine that we could be spending on our own infrastructure, power grid, active shooters, you know, hardening up schools. The fentanyl epidemic that we got going on, the DioJ, the FBI, the CIA, the all of it, everything, the LGBTQ agenda being forced down everybody's throats, the pedophilia being normalized. You know what I mean?

That'll be the next big one, dude. I mean, you already see it happening. And it's just like, in Washington, now they can, if your eight year old kid doesn't, if your eight year old kid wants to switch genders and use the parent, don't want that to happen Staking conference gave your kid was that California or Washington that is Washington California now has I think three three bills up and

there's a I can't remember the congressman or or senator, but he's saying if you love your kids you need to leave California or a senator, but he's saying if you love your kids, you need to leave California right now. Yeah. Because same type of stuff going on. Also in California, they just passed a bill that I got a lot of flack on this with a previous episode, I don't give a shit

because this is what it is. They're normalizing pedophilia. The way they're doing it is now, there's a 10 year spread. they're doing it is now, there's a 10-year spread, the bigest spread could be. Now a judge, basically what this is, is a judge now has the power to decide if you're a pedophile that's going to wind up on the sex offender list or not. So the argument here is, oh no, they're just trying to normalize it because a 19-year-old should be able to have sex with a 17 year old

Okay, I'm not gonna argue that yeah I don't know what's a high school together. I get it starts But you know what a fucking 24 year old should not be able to fuck a 14 year old. I'm sorry Yeah, like a 24 year old man I'm sorry. Like a 24 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl is not okay. And there's a 10 year spread. And so for anybody that's gonna sit here

and fucking tell me that it's okay, this is, no, that's not what it is. It's a 18 year old and a 17 year older, a 19 year old and a 17 year old, or 18 year old and a 16 year old, fuck you. If that's what it was, it would be a three, maybe four-year spread.

Not a 10-year spread so that a teacher can have sex with their student. Yeah. You know, they're doing this shit in Minnesota. Colorado just passed something. As soon as I found out about the thing in California, I said, this is gonna spread. It's already spread to three different states.

Yeah. You know, and this, and then there's the, oh, let's call them the minor-attracted person now because pedophile, pedophile, that's offensive, Eli. Yep. That's offensive. That's what they do. They start changing the definition. You know, but I don't, I don't know that many people that are that are for this and and and just in his example.

I mean, look at just. I'm not this podcast hit number four in 58 episodes out of all podcasts. Yeah. That shit does not happen. It doesn't happen. And so we talk about this kind of stuff on this podcast. The reason this podcast is number four is we're one of the only podcast out that are talking about this kind of shit. So that shows you, that right there shows you how many people do not stand for this.

Regardless of what you see when you walk into target. Regardless of what you see when you flip on the news, when you flip on your sporting event, and that's all they're talking about. When you look at Hollywood and that's all they're talking about, it's bullshit, it's a front, it's not even fucking real. And that's why things like this

are, that's why Tucker Carlson's numbers are insane. 100% is because the majority of people are not into this. I agree, and I'm glad you are, Sean. I'm glad you're talking about it. And in many ways, I'm glad that a lot of people just quit watching mainstream media on both sides of the aisle because I think, and I'm glad in many ways, even though I often think technology is a big part of the problem in this country, I think it can also be a great thing. And you can go get alternate viewpoints, opinions, alternative alternative voices, et cetera.

And I think your show is one example of that. Thank you. The point I was good to, before I went off on all these tangents, is everywhere I look, I can't stand what I'm seeing happening. And it drew me to God. Yeah. It was nothing makes any sense anymore.

Nothing makes sense. What? Everywhere I am. No, you're right. And it's funny because without God, there's really no intelligent design. There's no structure at all. And what you end up with is complete moral relativism, right?

Well, I think, you know, there's no, there's no right or wrong anymore. It's just like, well, I don't, you know, that's not, those aren't, those aren't my morals. That's not what I think. And so therefore anything, you, you basically, over a long enough timeline, you run into this, you into this ideology that anything goes. And it's worth definitely seeing that in the West and in America. And that was one of the reasons that I said when you asked me,

what's the biggest problem? I think the biggest problem is the spiritual decline of this country. The fact that a lot of people have turned away from God, we've pushed God out of everything, we've allowed God to be pushed out of everything. And even, there's a lot of preachers out there, a lot of pastors out there that won't tackle the tough issues.

Yeah. They won't talk about them. They're scared because they don't want to be canceled. They don't want to be labeled. And I mean, just like, you know, you and me having this conversation right now, how many there's not a lot of people in my, there's not a lot of people that do what I do that would come and have a three, four hour conversation where, hey, let's go, let's talk about real stuff. But the cool thing is, is because not a lot of people have the courage to do it.

It separates the men from the boys really quickly. Really quickly. And one of the tattoos I have on my arm says, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. It's not just good men, it's good men and women. But evil triumphs when good men and women do nothing. And there's too much of it, there's too much complacency, there's too much cowardice. And, you know, and, and, you know, I think it's one of the reasons that you see the just the Pravity and like you look like you you were saying I look around and there's nothing I see that I like There's a lot of us

Let's move into spiritual warfare. We talked about this a little bit of dinner So what are some of the thing you talked a lot about actually? I think I cut you off a dinner because I wanted to talk about this here today. What are some of the other things that you see that are congruent with the Bible that's happening right now? Yeah. A lot of people are talking about sexuality. Yeah.

So I think that, you know, it's interesting because, and there's so many different perspectives, there's so many different perspectives on the Bible, but roughly 25% of your Bible is prophetic or stuff that's supposed to take place in the future, or some people call eschatology. And, you know, regardless of how many different viewpoints there is and there's a lot of viewpoints out there, and I'm not an expert on any of them, but there is a consensus amongst many viewpoints that a lot of what's gonna happen in the end of days

is gonna go down in the Middle East in Jerusalem, Israel-centric, etc. The Bible is a Jerusalem-centric, Israel-centric book. It just is. When you go throughout and you read it, Israel, Judah, and then all the other nations often mentioned around Israel. If you go look them up, where are these, what are these countries now called? You'll find out that most of the Bible, that's where it centers around. And so it's just interesting when you watch some of the changes even going out of the Middle East, it creates a vacuum. And there's a lot of movement going on in the Middle East right now.

And I think people need to keep their eyes on the Middle East, Jerusalem, Israel, because I think that when you say what's going down in the world that you know parallels with what the Bible says I think that that's one thing that that people can look at. What is going on over there that we need to know about that's parallel with the Bible. So like if you go if you go open your bio right now and you start reading Ezekiel 38-39. And like I said, there's many perspectives. I take a perspective that this is going to happen in the future. Ezekiel 38, and Ezekiel was an Old Testament prophet. And he goes into pretty great detail about how a leader from the North and called Gog, Gog from the land of May Gog

is gonna basically come down into Israel and lead like a ten nation coalition, a Middle Eastern countries and North African countries against Israel, and do a lot of damage to Israel. And so it's interesting when you watch what's going on in the Middle East because it's the, the U.S. is one of, it's Israel's biggest ally, right? And it's interesting as I see us pull out of the Middle East, but I also see a very dangerous rise of anti-Semitism in the United States and even in, even in Congress. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can go look into that.

But it's just interesting. It seems as if the pieces are being moved on the board for some of this biblical prophecy to start being fulfilled. this biblical prophecy to start being fulfilled. But go read Ezekiel 38 and 39. And, you know, you know, if you read, if you like read all the way through it, it has conclusive language at the end.

You know, God says, you know, at the end, it's he's prophesying through Ezekiel, I will never allow my name to be blasphemed again. And so it has conclusive languages because the Bible, a lot of the Western church focuses on the fact that Christ came and he died for our sins and the atonement of his blood. And if we accept him into, as our Lord and Savior,

then one day, we will live with him and we will be with him, right? But that's only part of the good news. That's a big part of the good news, but the second half, and I think that even more hopeful half, is the Maranatha message, and that is the Lord came and the Lord is coming again. And he came as a sacrificial lamb the last time, but that's not how he's coming back.

The Bible is very clear that when he comes back, he's going to come back and he's going to come back with a vengeance. And at that point, we will finally see justice. And so if you believe in the Bible, if you take it literally, that to me, all this social engineering that we do, like I'm a congressman, and it's like, people ask me all the time, can we

turn this thing around? I was gonna ask that. Can we turn this thing, is it possible? Is it salvageable? I'll tell you, I don't know. Is it possible? It is possible. Is it likely?

I'm not super optimistic with what I see, but that my hope is not in making America great again. Even though I love that slogan, and I know it's been bastardized and demonized make America great again, MAGA, whatever. I think regardless of what country you're from, you would want, make Spain great again, make Italy great again.

I think if I'm a citizen of those countries, yeah, I want my country to be great. So I don't buy into any of that crap. But all I'm saying is my hope is not in the United States of America. My hope isn't in a political leader. It's not in a political party, even though I do think politics is important. And it does

affect my life, it affects the life of my kids, which is why, and hopefully, it will affect the lives of future generations. And I hope, I hope one day I'm a, I hope one day I have grandkids. And I hope, and I hope my kids and my grandkids get to have, get a group with some of the freedoms that you and I did, which is why I do what I do. But what I'm telling you, brothers, that my hope isn't in government. Yeah. My hope isn't in some earthly utopia.

My hope is when the King of Kings returns, man. That's when you see real justice. And for all of you people out there, regardless of what you believe, man, I love you, I'm no better than anybody, I know that. But this is, it's one of the only, it's like the only real hope I have, Sean, which is why I share it with people.

Because I love people and I care about people. And if the Bible is right, and if it is accurate, you will get an eternity what you wanted while you lived on this earth. If you don't want anything to do with God, that's exactly what you're gonna get an eternity. And that's scary.

Yeah, I don't wanna see anybody. If the Bible is right, and I do believe it is, I don't want to see anybody wind up in hell. I don't. How could I? Right? So that's why I talk about stuff like this because to me, this is so much of, it's so much more important than Democrat, Republican, Kevin McCarthy, the Freedom Caucus. This is where it's at, man. Now, I'm 100% with you.

I mean, I let politics get in the way of my life for quite a while now. And I shouldn't have. I feel foolish. I still let it get to me. And every time I do, let it get to me, I feel foolish afterwards. And because of my interviews and diving deep into different subjects, politics, sex trafficking, border, elite capture, all these different topics. I'm very well read in on a lot of the shit that's going on in the world. And from these, my conclusion is,

if you want to win, you've got to bring people together somehow, and you are not going to bring people together somehow, and you are not going to bring them together through politics. And I think the only hope that we have left is to bring people to the Bible. Yeah, but here's the interesting thing on that too. Christianity in the United States and in the West has this light.

I would say this is often cloaked in this falsified veneer that, well, if God is love and I'm a Christian, then everybody's gonna, then everybody is gonna love me. And if anybody has a problem with me, then I'm not being a Christian. That's something that's pretty common in Christianity here in America. The Bible actually says, they will hate you because they hated me first.

And they were supposed to pick up our cross and follow him. What does that mean? A lot of us, myself included, like I don't wanna be judged, I don't wanna be labeled. I, you know, it's weird, Sean, because like, you know, some people know me because of my job or things that I've said or say publicly. The people that know me personally and know my heart

know know that I love I love people and does it bother me if your world view or your politics affect negatively affects my life or the future my kids yeah it bothers me but do I try and look past it and see the humanity in you? Yeah. The Bible tells me that we are all image bears of God. We're all created in his image. That means every single one of us has intrinsic value, right? And so it's like politics and I've been guilty of this so many times account where politics will for me get in the way and take over and eat. We both shoot pistols, front-site focus, right? You get so front-site focus on politics or what's right in front of your face, and oftentimes I forget to take a step back and remember that there's bigger things at play here.

Not only from a spiritual warfare aspect, but from an eternity aspect. And yeah, admittedly, I fell at that all the time. I fell all the time. I think it being a good representative of my Lord and Savior because of my pride, because of my ego, because of my own foolishness, to allow me, hopefully, to spend eternity with my king and my Lord and Savior. It's because I've accepted him as my Lord and Savior,, it's grace, and it's an amazing thing, but it takes a certain humbleness, especially for guys like us to say, to realize that I'm not in charge of anything. I'm like this in the timeline of history, the timeline of eternity, life, what nobody, you know, I'm not a big deal.

I'm not a big deal, but I'll tell you who is a big deal. I'll tell you who's coming back. And when he comes back, I hope that he says, well done, good and faithful servant. And that's something that I always try and, you know, I always try and go back to even though I screw it up constantly, man. So anyway, but you know, that was one of the coolest things when I saw that you had accepted Christ. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. This is so amazing. Somebody, and I don't believe in coincidence, dude.

I think it's Revelation 3.20 says, I stand at the door and I knock. And whoever hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him and he with me. And it's basically just talking, you know, God's, God wants to have a relationship with every single one of us, but often we just like, you know, we push him away.

I don't need you. I got this. And then, you know, you go through life and you get beat down. And I think if you have a certain level of wisdom, you get to a point where you're like, I don't have this. I don't, I don't.

I don't, all these things that I don't. I don't. All these things that I've chased around, whether it's the, you know, whether it's money or fame or notoriety or affirmation, sex, drugs, whatever it is, what does it always lead? It always leads to the same place, dude. No. Then the Bible talks about that. It says it's sin is pleasurable for a season. The Bible literally tells you sin is pleasurable for a season. So when people are out there, why wouldn't I do this? This feels good.

But where do you wind up every time? After so many times, the word says that we're like dogs that return to our own vomit Man, does that resonate? Yeah You know and then it's like at some point You get tired of eating that vomit and you're like there's got to be something better than this I think that's why you see so many celebrities You know kill themselves Because they they have everything that the world has told them will make them happy. And when they, when they get it, they're, and they're, they're

still miserable. But yet they feel awful because it's like, I have everything. People would kill to live my life and I'm miserable. What's the point? Yeah. I've done it all. I've achieved it all and I'm miserable. And so it's like, you know, we've both achieved some cool things in our life. But did it ever fulfill you? I mean, you know, it's like if it did fulfill you, you wouldn't look around and hate everything that you see. It was temporary. Yeah, and if it fulfilled me, I still wouldn't be looking for answers.

And don't get me wrong, I'm still looking for answers all I'm saying is, is that's the only, that's the only like hope I have, dude. That's the only real hope I have is, That's the only real hope I have is, you know, that one day I'm going to get to meet my maker. And I think it's going to be a terrifying day in many ways. I think it's going to be an exciting day. I think it's going to be a terrifying. And I think, you know, I think often, you know, in religion and whatnot, we have this image of Jesus holding the little lamb,

he's like this Caucasian surfer looking dude holding this little lamb and he's like this, this pacifist looking little dude, but I think every time in the scriptures that a human being encounters an angel, they're terrified. If you go throughout scripture and study, like when people encounter angels, even angels, which are lower, right? They're terrified because they're these magnificent, they're these magnificent beings, and they're beautiful,

but they're terrifying at the same time at the same time And all I'm saying is man It's cool that you know to come and be able to talk to you about real stuff because there are people watching right now so many people watching right now that They don't have the answer. They're lost, and they're lost, dude. And it's like whether I ever get, whether I ever get elected again, even if they kick me out tomorrow. And I think the conversations are probably already started. Dude, if one person accepts Christ and starts looking somewhere else because of this conversation that we had, so worth it.

There's gonna be. There's gonna be. You know what I mean? It's just for me, and I'm new with this. You know, I've only read one book so far. Yeah, and that's okay, man. And here's the other cool thing, man, it's like, it's so cool when I meet Christians of all walks because it's like, even Paul, did you know that Paul wrote,

I think I'm a majority of the New Testament or a really good portion of it. He was persecuting Christians. He was killing Christians, and he was imprisoning Christians. And God took that guy and he said, Paul, why are you persecuting me? He got ahold of him, and Paul became like this, like this, one of the most influential Christians of all times.

And it's so cool because it's like there are people watching your show that are probably like, God couldn't use me like that. I've done too much. You don't know what I've done, Sean. You don't know what I've done, Eli. Yeah. God can get ahold of anybody.

God can use anybody. And it's like even when Christ was on the cross, there were two guys hanging there with him, I believe according to the scriptures, and both of them deserved to be there. And one of them was mocking Christ. And the other was like, why are you mocking him? We deserve to be there. And one of them was mocking Christ. And the other was like, why are you mocking him? We deserve to be here. And he said, he says to Jesus, he says, please remember me

today when you're in heaven. And Christ looks at me and he says, you know, truly I say unto you, you will be with me in paradise because he believed that he was God and that he was going to heaven. And it's just cool, Sean, because that's another, I think, misnomer is that a lot of us believe well, I don't know if I have enough time to go make up for all the bad stuff I've done. That kind of didn't have any time. He was going to die there on the cross. Maybe minutes, maybe an hour,

he didn't have time to climb off the cross and go do more good things than he did bad things. And that's one of the cool things is that, if you're willing to relinquish that control and be like, I'm broken, I got nothing. I got nothing, but I believe you got something Lord, and I want it. I'm willing to give that a shot,

and I want to make you my Lord and save your man. It's game changer. Game changer. Let's hope for me, man. It's like, it's one of the only things I get fired up about anymore, because I'm like you man I look I look out at the landscape and I'm just like oh my god. No, it makes any sense

Oh my god, dude nothing makes nothing makes any sense anymore This is what's turned into my moral compass, you know, and it's it's it's really weird, you know, I haven't even haven't even read half of it yet and I haven't even read half of it yet. But I'll tell you this, it's given me the courage to have these discussions. It's given me the courage to go, you know what? I don't really fucking care if I get canceled anymore. Because I know I'm standing up for what I believe in. You know, and it's, I've mastered this yet by any means, but forgiveness is the hardest

thing I think that I'm going to encounter. But I'm starting to learn how to forgive and how to go past some of the flaws, especially with the politics shit. And I think this, like I said, I mean, I mean, look at all the division we've seen, you know, since, for me, I guess, since the war started, and it's just been progressively getting worse and, and worse. And then, you know, I don't care what anybody thinks.

And then, but I'm just gonna say, then Trump came in and you really saw it. When he entered that presidential election, you really saw the vision start setting. And I remember watching people throw eggs in women's faces that were gonna vote for them. And then we saw the rise of BLM and Antifa. And look, the division is on both sides.

For sure. There's, it looks like a shit show no matter, you know, we got Nazi flags and Confederate flags. And, you know, that's what the right is being portrayed as. And then on the left, you've got LGBTQ and Antifa and BLM. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, where did, where would, why is this happen? Nothing makes any sense, you know, and it's, that's what drew me

to it. And that's now my moral compass. And then it is, man, it's given me a lot of courage. It's a guide. It will guide you if you let it. And that's why the scripture says, thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path because it's dark out there, man. It's dark, bro. And it's it's done. It's seen like it's just getting darker and darker and like so my you know, my my advice to those folks out there that feel like sometimes I even feel like oh my god, it like it nothing makes sense. It's so dark out there. Everywhere I look, I see wickedness, evil, you know, just like division. That's the only place, man, for me, that's the only place to go where you use the word compass, right? And I think that's one of the,

I think that's one of the, I've listened to your show. Ford you say some wise things. That's the wisest thing I've ever heard you say. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. You know, because it's like like nothing else even comes close to you. Let's say we're wrong. Let's say I'm wrong. Let's say I'm wrong. Let's say God doesn't even exist. Let's say this Bible that I believe in is completely wrong. So, you know, I, so I read some stuff that doesn't end up happening. I'm taught to love my neighbor. I'm taught to repent of my, you know, repent of my sin. You know, and I think you're going to live a better life. It, better life. No matter what, whether it's right or wrong, right? I mean, just practically. And I do believe 100% it's right.

All I'm saying is, like, even if I'm wrong, in my opinion, and I know not everybody agrees with this, but the teachings of the Bible call me to love my enemy, and I know not everybody agrees with this, but the teachings of the Bible call me to love my enemy. Right? Love my neighbor. And so, man, how tough is that? Real tough these days. That's super tough, yeah. And man, I'm glad I don't have to be, I'm glad I don't have to be the judge

at the end of this whole thing and sort it out. Eli's not gonna be anybody's judge, neither is Sean Ryan. But there is, I do believe there, I do believe there is one righteous judge that is gonna come back ship separate us like the sheep and the goats and that's what the word says and I really hope I'm on the right side of that man. Yeah, me too. And Lord knows I've got plenty of my own son and plenty of my own failure,

my own son and plenty of my own failure, plenty of my own embarrassment and on and on and on and on. But like I said, that's like at 43 years old, that's like one of the only things that gets me excited. Yeah. Well, it's a good thing to get excited about. That's right. My job. Well, man, I'm gonna be honest. This took a way different turn than I was expecting, but I like way better. I like it. I like how it ended up. I don't think, yeah, I don't think when we meet God,

he's gonna be like, so you were registered a Republican, right? Right. You know, I don't think, I do think he, I do think he's gonna care how we, how we lived our life and what we did with what he blessed us with. I do believe that. You know, but I am glad this, I am glad it took this turn, man, because so much more important than any of that other

stuff we were talking about. Well, man, I really appreciate you coming out here. I know you're a busy man, you have family. I know this being a congressman's taken a toll on you and your family. And man, I feel weird saying it, but I got to, man, I'm just really proud of you, dude. Thank you to watch you stand your ground. Yeah.

And thank you, dude, and do what your voters want you to do. You know what's weird, Sean? Is it, um, beef, I was actually asked to consider running for Congress. I don't know if I told you that. And, but anyway, I was confused. And I was like, oh man, I don't know that sounds. I'm very interested in politics. I find it fascinating, but more importantly,

the mission side of it, trying to fight for my country again, go serve my country again. That's just court of who I am. And it was weird because I was talking to my wife, and I was like, babe, she was like, after like a week, after we talked to an individual who does this type of stuff for a living. And she and she's like, Eli, why aren't you jumping at this opportunity normally if you got asked to do something like that, like you'd be all over it because I've always been like a

risk taker, swing for the fences, fail a bunch of times every once in a while you hit one out of the park, right? But I was like, you know, babe, I'm I feel confused Because I felt like God was calling me in the ministry and I actually told my friends that I feel like that's calling me in the ministry and It was so cool, Sean Because my wife she looks at me and she says she says Eli Do you not think God can use you

in Washington DC? Do you not think God can use you in whatever, whatever path he calls you into? You don't have to, you know, basically she's saying, you don't have to be a preacher, you don't have to lead some men's men. This right here, I would have never met you. I would have never got to come on your show.

And this is kind of cool because I'm all I'm putting this to get kind of putting this together right now. And this isn't the first time, but it's kind of cool, Sean, because God's using the Sean Ryan show right now for ministry. And even though like, you know, Eli went into politics, my wife was right. God can use you wherever you're at. And I think that's something that I know I've got wrong. But it doesn't matter if you're watching this show from a tool booth in Philadelphia,

it doesn't matter where you're at. Like you can use like the good news and you can love on other people and probably the most righteous way you ever can or will by sharing the gospel with other people no matter where you're at. And that's been even as I sit in this chair, dude, like it was crazy how everything just kind of came full circle to me. No joke. When you and I were talking about this show, like this isn't what we were really talking about. We didn't, like, we were talking about more

politics, give us the after-action hot wash on first six months of Congress. That's where we were headed. But it's just so cool that not only wasn't my wife right, but that, you know, once again, you see that no matter what you're doing, in a godless, pretty godless profession like politics, God can use you there too, man. Yeah, man. I'm right there with you. I mean, dinner we had a discussion because I've, people have been,

and I've seen some pushing me. I saw Eddie, I saw, I listened to some of your Eddie Penny. That was pretty rad too, man. Oh, man, you know, with, but I was gonna wrap it up here, but we'll go on, but I'll tell you, man, you came on, you talked about the Bible, Justin Hughes came on, he talked about the Bible.

I know you guys are friends. Justin actually helped me find the church that I've been going to here. That's awesome. He was like, why are you ready to go to church? And I was like, no. And he was like, all right. And he's like, do you want me to help you find one? And I was like, yes, but I don't think there's going to be one. And he found one. And I've been going, think there's going to be one. And he found one and I've been going, I've gone every week since then, except for when we had, when am we met in DC last week, but we had an impact on me, man. You did. You came here, you talked about the Bible, Justin Hughes talked about the Bible, Kyle Morgan talked about the Bible, and I had the, all these sporadic people who ironically at first were all soft operator types.

Then Eddie Penny came on and he really hit it out of the park with it. Ever since then, every single person that's come on this show has talked about the Bible doesn't matter. I mean, we've had doctors on, we've had everybody on. And they're all talking about it. My whole everybody I know, almost everybody I know, is either going back to it or going to it for the first time. And it's interesting.

And with what you just said, God can use you where you are. You know, I've been, I've had a lot of people reach out, wanting me to get involved in politics, run for Congress, run for Senate, something, I don't know, maybe I will, maybe I won't.

Yeah. But I, and we had this discussion at dinner, you know, I think I honestly believe that my biggest impact that I can make is sitting right here on this chair, talking to people like you, talking about the discussion that we just had, I think that's gonna reach a hell of a lot more people and send up a louder message for me than going into politics. And as much as I want to go, I don't, I mean, I got, that's a tough decision. But, but I'm glad you said that, Matt,

because I think once you get that, once we get that right, once you get that right, once you get that right, once you get that right, as even a culture, everything changes, everything changes, everything starts to just organically change. People, you know, it's like a lot of the insanity that you see out there. If there was a revival in the land,

and I think it's even, I think it's second chronicles, talks about this, if my people will repent from their sin and turn back to me, I will heal their land. And I'm paraphrase, like I didn't have it completely memorized, but that's basically what the Lord says. And so, you know, it's just so cool that you said that, man, because like, there are a few people, Sean, there are a few, there are a few pastors out there that can have the

impact that you can have for the kingdom and for him with this, this Sean Ryan show that never started out to even be anything like that, right? No. And that's, dude, that is so rad. And it's so cool too, because it's like, and we can't let it get twisted. God will use even dummies like us. That's the thing that we have to remember and humble ourselves, because it's like,

we can't let ourselves, you can't get a big head, you can't get a big head and forget like who's actually you belong to and who the glory and honor belongs to. And it's not us, it's not the Sean Ryan show. I mean, it's cool that the Lord will allow his sons and his servants to do his work, but he doesn't need us. He just allows us to partner with him in his work,

to go after every lost sheep out there. And it's just like, I haven't got, I've been pretty down lately, man. Really? Yeah, I have. I've been struggling.. I've been struggling. And I've been struggling because I get so frustrated up there.

I get so frustrated. And even I have so many good friends, it'll just send me like encouraging messages, scripture, whatever it is. And sometimes I'm like, man, I'm away from my family. And my becoming, you know, my dad beat dad. Like, you know, by trying to say, by trying to fight for my kids' future,

am I losing my family in the process? And just, you know, when you're away from your family, you're getting your tail whipped, you're in the minority, you're fighting this behemoth of a unaparty swamp, but it's just cool, man, because this show right here, and just being able to talk about that, kind of lifted my spirit student really did because none of that stuff, none of it scratches the surface, None of it comes close to important. So what we just talked about for 45 minutes an hour. Ben, I was gonna ask how you're doing. You know, I know that's gonna be tough.

No, I do, man. I struggle because it's just like, and it's hard to, man, because like, when people that you know and love, and everybody has their own perspective, but people that I know and love, I feel like, you know, just bend a bower by the system, the swamp, the uniparty. That's hard.

It's hard because it's like, if it were to happen to you and I love you and I care about you, I might say something like initially, like, what are you doing? But then I'd let you do your thing because I respect your individuality. I respect the relationship you have with your voters. You're there to represent them, not me, right? And so, but it's just been hard, man, because I feel like we play whack-a-mole up there. I really do.

And it's just like, this is falling off is fall, this wheel's falling off over here, this wheel's falling off over here, but there's like, you know, what are you, are you gonna turn this thing around already? And I'm like, oh God, I'm trying, brother. I'm trying and I'm getting my tail whipped. And I wish, one of the hardest things for me, Sean, is to go back to my district

and meet with constituents. And it's not because they're not amazing to me. They're so amazing. They're so encouraging, but I feel like I'm constantly the bearer of bad news because I'm not the raw, raw, raw cheerleading politician. And a lot of people do that. Like, we're going to, you know, we're going to do this and we're going to do that. And, you know, it's like some people actually try and execute

on that stuff, but I think there's so many promises that politicians make that are, you know, maybe not completely out of their control, they have a little bit of control, but you only control so much, you know, and anyway. You're doing the right thing. It's just been, it's been, and I'm even disappointed in myself for letting myself get to that

point of frustration because I knew what I was walking into, man. It's not like I thought that I was going to come up here, kick open the door and be like, things are changing because I'm here. You know, I knew better, but just watching it and knowing, you know, watching it happen and watching the complacency and just everything that goes on up there and then, you know, getting your tailwhiped

and being, you know, hated your tailwhiped. And being hated in that town, I mean, for actually trying to change it and do good, it gets to, it gets, it gets. It puts in a lot of people off. Yeah, yeah. But, man, I just, whether I agree with what you're doing or whether I don't, and probably 90, not... I don't know everything you're doing.

I probably 99% I agree with, you know. But the point is, I just respect you, man. You know, I think a lot of people go in there, and it's to get rich quick, or build a social media following. Do the raw, raw, raw, empty promise, bullshit, be fake. You're none of that. You know, you don't come across like that at all. You don't seem fame hungry.

I don't, I don't see it doing 20 million posts a day on Twitter and Instagram, like most of the politicians, they are. That's what they're fucking influencers. And you're not doing that. And I mean, just the fact that you voted on something that went against what you believe in, because your voters who voted you and wanted that. I mean, that speaks of all. You never hear that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that was so tight. It was funny. I was walking off the floor and there

were a couple of the older guys that I respect and kind of have been teammates and mentors and they could tell like that I was distraught, man. Like I was like, it got to me, man. I was like, oh my God, this is a big vote. This is a big deal. And a couple of them are like, Eli, it's gonna be okay, man. It's gonna be okay, dude. But, and I'm grateful, man.

I'm grateful that God surrounded me with some awesome guys up there. Some awesome, awesome, just awesome people. I feel blessed to be there. It is difficult, but it's kind of cool because even six months in, you know, even just sitting down to do a podcast with you where I thought I was gonna be talking about politics most,

was probably one of the healthiest things that I've done in a long in a while just because it kind of brought me back to reality. Like, what's really important, man? What's really, if you could say one thing to somebody on the other side of that screen, somebody who's lost, hurting, in pain, and who sees what we see. What would that one thing be, man? And I'm glad we got to talk about it, dude.

You're too, man. You're too. Well, man, don't be so hard on yourself. You're doing a hell of a job. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming. Thank you, dude.

Shh. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming. Thank you, dude. Makes a little sports analysis pop culture and great interviews and you've got the rich eyes and show podcast The jets are bracing themselves into doing hard knocks this year. Bracing themselves. Look, a coach is want to control the controllables. They don't want to have a camera crew in the building. You know, I know that they want to lie low. This is what happens when you go and swing for the fences and get out of Rogers.

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