Shawn Ryan Show - #78 Tim Burchett - Inside UFO/UAP Government Programs | Part 1

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

This week on SRS, we welcome Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett to the show. Burchett is one of the few congressmen that is actively pursuing the uncovering of UAP / UFO phenomena, regardless of how much flak it may bring. Burchett put together the first hearing for Congress to seriously evaluate UAP / UFO reports in 50 years. Part one of this episode explores the origins of the newfound push to explain and investigate these occurrences. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://moinkbox.com/shawn https://goldco.com/ryan | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Tim Burchett Links: https://twitter.com/reptimburchett https://www.instagram.com/reptimburchett Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In fact, if you spoke of it, you would likely become the laughing stock of the day. Well, since then, the topic has gained a lot of relevancy. It's gained a lot of traction and rightly so. In fact, just a few months ago was the first ever congressional hearing in the United States on UFOs and UAPs. And since then, Mexico has had a conference on it or a hearing. NASA has had a hearing on it or a hearing. NASA has had a hearing on it. And so we brought in Tennessee, Congressman Tim Birchett, the man that with a few of his colleagues was able to set that hearing up here in the U.S. And so we're here to dissect that hearing, talk about some of the government

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We'll call you Tim from here on out. I don't. For starters, I just wanted to say thank you to you and your staff for getting me into the whistleblower, the first ever congressional hearing on UFO UAP stuff, a couple months back. That was really eye-opening and it was nice to see our government talking about it. And I hope it, is is going to happen again. Yeah and thank your boy Eli Crane because he's the one who told me about you and stuff and and so that and my staff is wonderful by the way. Yeah I went to McCarthy, we went to speaker

we wrote a letter myself, Luna and Jared Mosquitz, they're all out of Florida, Gates wrote a letter myself, Luna and Jared Mosquitz. They're all out of Florida. Gates wrote the letter and it said, we wanted to select committee. And a select committee would allow us a little more power. And I went to see Kevin McCarthy about it first week back after the August recess.

And he said that in fact, no, we would not get a select committee. We would, but he would give me another hearing. He said, this is really popular and I was, so I said, why, why don't we get a hearing? You know, why can't we have select committee? I was, and I didn't think we were going to get it because nobody wants to turn over power to anything up there. And he said, well, the intelligence committee had, you know, we'd stepped on some toes and intelligence community,

I believe, too. And so we could have another committee meeting, committee hearing or whatever you want to call it. So yeah, we're going to have one very similar to the last one. We just kind of have to change the focus. I wanted the, granted I was not, I was not able to chair the committee, but I was steering the committee, if you don't mind. I know what you mean. I mean, it was per, it was, I mean, it was my deal. I was, our deal, you know, we got myself in Luna and Mosquits and Matt Gaetz and the rest of us, we'd sort of formulated this idea way back and, you know, and pushed it together and

tried to get a date and locked them down and just kept hammering them. And then, of course, the UFO community, it's freaking worldwide, man. I do every weekend, I'm always on, I try not to turn anybody down. I do a lot of these podcasts and stuff overseas and England. I mean, I do them from Oxford, Tennessee. I don't travel much, as you could imagine. But yeah, it's huge. And people all over the country contacted the speaker's office, apparently, and the other members. And then, low and behold, we got that first one. And then now they want to do another.

So I'll take it as a win. Yeah, definitely, definitely. What was the conversations that sparked this whole thing within Congress? It all started with TMZ. You started with TMZ. You know who they are, right? I know who they are. Well, their cameraman's a buddy, my name's and he's a, we're good buddies. And I took him to lunch

the other day as a matter of fact. And he, he'll sometimes grab me for a quick quote or something on something off the wall, you know. And I, and I'd followed this UFO report. I knew it, but it was going to be and I knew, I knew it would just be a redacted piece of garbage. Wouldn't be anything like somebody shot it with a 12 gauge, you know, it'd just be all these spots and words and nothing put together. And so, he, the reporter says to me from TMZ,

he said, hey, you heard about this UFO report. You know, it's just kind of random spot. And I said, yeah, I said, it's, I said, and I said, more people believe in UFOs and believe in Congress. And he laughed. And that turned out to be my quote. And I ended up putting on a t-shirt that I sell on my dad gum website, which is kind of funny. But then all of a sudden, I started getting, and I said, it's just going to be redacted, it'll be garbage. And sure enough, that's what it was, because they said, oh, we're gonna release all this stuff,

and they ain't gonna release anything. They wouldn't even release the Kennedy assassination files, and Kennedy's been dead over 60 years. There's nobody alive that's even mentioned in those reports, but it's power, it's control, it's money, it's, that's Washington DC. So, why do you think they're holding on to that? Because from what I understand,

that report was supposed to be released by 2017. Mike Pompeo was director of CIA, if I remember correctly. I know Pompeo. Why do you think they're holding on to those? Power, control, money, all those things. I think it's, you know, they put this out occasionally. I'm a Christian. I try to be a Christian. I'm not a very good one, but they always say,

you know, it's going to wreck the religious belief system. They don't wreck it for me. You know, they're already wrecking it anyway. Well, the first chapter of Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth, the heavens and the earth. You go to Ezekiel. Ezekiel saw the wheel. He talks about a wheel within a wheel, which you would describe what a traditional UFO would be today if you were the saucer thing. But back then, the most technologically advanced piece of equipment we had was a wheel. So he's equating this thing

and they'll say, well, it's a vision, it's this, it's that. But you look at any civilization and you know, go in, hieroglyphics, go in the pyramids, the Aztecs, everybody, the Hindus, everybody has these craft in their history that they talk about. And that was way before Al Gore invented the internet. So, you know, there's no connection there. So hold on, you're saying that there is, so I'm, you don't know this about me, but I'm a new Christian. Okay, so I am just now getting in.

Okay, good job. So this is the Bible, I've started the new testament. I'm not dug into the old. So you're saying that you will... First chapter of Ezekiel. Go back and read it and you'll think you're on acid or something. It's a little, but if you read it and realize too,

it's the King James translation. So King James, you know, he translated it from Aramaic, I believe. So I believe it's what it was. I think that's right. I'm sure somebody's gonna correct me on that, but I'm not a biblical philosopher. I just read it. And so yeah, it's in there. And it talks about a visitor coming down. It describes a craft, it describes the landing gear. I think it talks about a visitor coming down. It describes a craft. It describes the landing gear. I think it talks about them in some translations like a hood feat.

So you'd think a traditional pad that comes down, you know, like you've seen in the science fiction movies and stuff. But yeah, it's in there and it's in all, every religion has it. And I say this all the there and it's in all every religion has it and but you know And I say this all the time and it drives people crazy because I repeat myself a lot But every night my dad gumball dogs buzz Charlie and Roscoe

They won't go to the bathroom at nine o'clock at night. They got to get up at 4 30 in the morning So I got an earth scratching at the doors trying to get outside. I take them and then go outside I look at those stars and in the doors and trying to get outside, I take them and I go outside. I look at those stars and the sky and those stars, the light left those stars, some of those stars before the time of Christ. I mean, that is the vastness of God's great universe. And honestly, do you think we're the best that God can do?

No, no. So I just, we're very imperfect. And I'm not worried about them. They don't scare me or anything because with that technology, if they could travel it, whatever they travel at or however they travel, it's beyond my comprehension. But they would have done us in a long time ago

if they wanted to. So you believe in this 100% zero doubts. I believe in the Bible. Do you get a lot of flak within Congress for approaching the subject? I do, and I suspect some of the friends on some people on my side of the aisle will use it against me when they try to run somebody against me, but I've talked to so many members that are pretty high profile members, brother, that pulled me off to the side and said, man, I believe in these things.

I want to tell you what's something that happened to me when I was in the military, or when I was a kid out in the field somewhere, or where I was, you know, let me tell you what my wife told me, you know, that she saw, or my husband, or whatever, very many members. And they don't want to come testify because they don't want the heat. And I don't care. I really don't. You know, they're not gonna, that's not even on the list of my worries right now.

I just think, I think the government needs to be transparent. Me too. We'll get into all this. Everybody that comes on the show gets a gift. So. all right. This is your gift, Congressman. Thank you. I have to make sure it's legal. It is, you know, you've checked it out, guys. It's legal. So, that, so we're real big on mental health here. And so, these are, that's performance mushrooms. There's a coffee in there that's got functional mushrooms in it, and then there's a creamer.

Also that also has benefits of functional mushrooms and adaptogens in it. And so, anyways, it's from layered super foods. They got the cleanest ingredients. I appreciate that, brother. Some of my closest friends are suffering from mental issues in Tennessee under one in five Tennesseans, either you or you know somebody,

and if you don't know somebody, you probably do, you just don't know it. I've dealt with, I've passed a lot of legislation in Tennessee on funding for taking care of folks. It's, you know, you cut your hand and nobody thinks anything about going to the emergency room. Something going on inside your head, you know,

there's this stigma attached and we can, and there's things out there I think we can do to fix it. And then we got to, and one of the things we do to fix is remove the stigma. Yeah, I'm with you 100%. But moving on, so let me give you a quick introduction. Once again, Congressman Tim Birchett, uh, Congressman of Tennessee District 2 since 2019, you started in local politics or the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee, Southern Baptist, uh, got into state politics

and now you're at the federal level, uh in the Congress since 2019 and you were the catalyst behind the first ever UAP UFO congressional hearing, which is what we're dying to dig into today. So I wanted to get you right after the hearing, but I know you're a busy guy. I'm probably gonna happen. No, honestly, I think it's better that we waited a little bit because more things have developed. But the dust. So, but kind of diving in. Just right off the bat. I'm, we talked about this in your office after the committee or after the hearing and DC. And I've been, I'm new at the UFO, UAP, I've been, I'm new at the UFO, UAP, zero point energy, genre as well. And I'm really trying to dive in.

And one thing that I've noticed in this subject matter is that, and you vocalized it perfectly in your office, but it seems like there are a couple of resident experts on the subject, but none of these experts talk to each other. It's very compartmentalized, and it's, it is, at least for me, it is extremely hard to figure out who is actually a resident expert, who just says they are. And another thing is, why aren't these experts talking to each other? If the common goal here is disclosure, which it seems everybody's beaten to the same drum here, they want disclosure, they want disclosure, they want disclosure, but none of these guys

are talking to each other. How do we know who's the real deal, who isn't, or maybe they're all the real deal? And they just, how are you guys deciphering who the real resident experts are? That's tough, that's why I don't, you know, jump on the first train, it comes down the tracks. I feel like there's some false flags. I feel like some people have briefed me on stuff that's not accurate, but they think it's accurate.

So they can oath up to their knowledge. It's real. And I think it is further discredit the UFO community and the people that are out there. I really do. I think that the you know, I don't trust government. I don't trust, and that's, you know, I've been in it my whole life and I don't trust it. And because it's, there's a group of folks that inherently, they're power hungry and they're evil and they don't, they don't share yours in my values. And whatever that is, you know, and you can talk about the compartmentalization of this stuff and how do you keep something like that secret? Well, I mean, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee, and I back up to Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

And there's 6,000 people that work at Oak Ridge that live in my district that I represent, but Oak Ridge is not in my district, but Oak Ridge is where they develop the atomic bomb. Yes, sir. And so, well, one of them anyway. So I can't remember his fat boy or little man, but anyway, it doesn't matter. I knock on doors. That's how I got elected. Because people like Tim Burchett don't usually get elected to Congress, do you? It doesn't matter. I was, I knock on doors. That's how I got elected.

Those people like Tim Burchett don't usually get elected to Congress, do you? They don't have, I don't have any, any record, I was not a sports star, anything. Captain of the 1982 Bear and Husky football team, but we went five and five. You might have heard of me. I was slow, but I couldn't catch.

But, so I knock on doors. I knock on thousands of doors. And I used to say, if you want to be virtue, you better just break his legs. That's the way I do. And I was knocking on this old guy's doors, an old man, older man. And he was putting his flag out

when I came by, it was a Saturday morning. And I was talking to him. I said, you have veteran? And he said, no, he was kind of a little embarrassed. And I didn't push it. And I said, I worked at Oak Ridge during the war. And I said, really? And he said, yeah. And I said, well, I said, I, and I, and I hugged him. I said, listen, brother, I said, if it wasn't for you, I said, my dad was on Okinawa. they were getting ready to invade mainland Japan because first marine division would have spearheaded it in there.

And I said, you know, Truman said there have been a million casualties. I mean, the kids were sharpenin' sticks, it was gonna be brutal. That island fighting and you'd have backed them up into their own homeland. They had the suicide subs and the kamikazis and they were loaded up. Well, we dropped the bomb and then ended up, we had to go to China after the war and fought the communist for a short while. But my point was, he said, I worked on the bomb when I was there. He said, I worked on a fuse.

He said, and he said, you know, oddly enough, my wife, I was married to her at the time. She worked down the hall, and she worked on a fuse mechanism. And he said, and we never knew what each of us did. You got a couple of thousand people maybe working at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, maybe less than a handful knew that it was for the atomic bomb, knew what they were doing. That's what compartmentalization's all about. Nowadays, everybody's got a dead-gum cell phone.

Everybody's gonna do a book deal or something. It's not quite like that. So you have to, so my theory on, and premise on this is the people that knew, like 47, Roswell, the people that knew, they compartment, Roswell, the people that knew a compartmentalizer is the different America then. Well, a lot of those people are dead. So there's a complete disconnect

after it's been handed off to this department or this department. And now it's in corporate and some corporate vault somewhere that has a quasi-governmental relationship. So that we can't get to through for you. So I think, you know, I know that's a long way to explain it, but that's why they keep this stuff secret. That's how they keep this stuff secret. Now, it's either one of two things. Either they've got they're breaking the technology out, and that's why we're seeing some advances now, or

they've got it, and they realize that the power brokers in this world will no longer be in the oil business, they will no longer be in, they'll have to get out and get on this job like the rest of us. Well, Congress isn't necessarily on its job, but you get my point.

So I think it's kind of multifaceted, it can go a lot of different directions, but two, I ride motorcycles that I told you, and I got an old Harley sports shirt. My dad says 84. It's the newest bike I have. I sentimentally attached to it. I won't get rid of it. But if I took that Harley and took it to the people on the Mayflower, gassed it up, loaded it up, got it already, took it back in time. That's basically what would happen with the UFO. It was in this bright, shiny object.

They might be able to roll it. You know, one day they might get it started, but they're not going to know how to change the plugs, they're not going to be able to adjust the carburetors. They won't have the technology to make gasoline to run it. They won't know how to put air in the tires. And that's sort of like what we're at, I think, with this stuff, where we have it and who has it.

I just think the technology part of it is, they can't get to it. And some of it they've got and are not sharing. Interesting. Interesting. How many of these whistleblowers did you guys have? I'd say we probably, I don't know, I had a list of them, but you know, we, a pinnigaw,

one person confided in us that they got in a call from the pinnigaw and they decided not to come. And one of them was loosely attached to some group with NASA and they were going to do their own thing, which we had a meeting within this week, which was bogus. And to, now government, now you got to realize government. Chuck Schumer's coming out with a bill on the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act. That will say that, you know,

all the UFO people are going crazy. This is the greatest thing in the world. They're going to create this entity within government within the Pentagon that anything to do with the UFOs goes to them and they decide if it gets out. So and guess what, if it's a national defense issue or if it's a government security issue or whatever, they won't release it.

Well guess what, all of it is. They'll never going to release. That just puts another layer. All I'm saying is, brother, I can handle it. You can handle it. Put it out there. Let us see it. You can handle it. Put it out there. Let us see it. Let us see it.

Because I've seen some stuff that defies any kind of logic, any kind of science that we have now. Like what? What have you seen? You've personally seen it? I've seen the videos, of course. I mean, not in the air. Everything I've seen has been definable. When I was a kid, I mean, not in the air. Everything I've seen has been definable.

When I was a kid, I remember, so I live in Knoxville, we got an airport there, and we got Air Force base, and a jet was taken off, and I remember I was just like, looking at the tail section of it, and it was, and to me, it just looked, you know, there's a saucer, you know, it's at night, kind of freaked me out, but then I looked into it and I thought,

well, that guy, I'm looking at the back end of a jet. So, I've never seen anything, but that doesn't mean it. I've never seen God, but that doesn't stop me from believing in him either. Yeah. Well, there was a, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was a window where there could be no repercussions for somebody blowing the whistle

on this stuff. That's bogus. That, I think that's bogus. I think that's bogus. I think that one doe is closed now, correct? Yeah. Well, they were allowed to do it. I think they still can, but I don't believe any of it. It's like my pilots have told me, they've told me that, you know, that here's what happens.

You spot something. I report it. I'm pulled off the flight line and I might be getting some of my terminology, so I'm not your military guy, so if I am correct me, you're pulled off the flight line. They are debriefed, but it turns out they said they are interrogated for eight hours. They get this on the record. They get made fun of and they get, you know, and I literally had a pilot tell me that they've destroyed video

evidence because they don't want to have to go through all that. Wouldn't surprise me. And what are these guys literally and the ones that come forward? I mean, all they're going to get is abuse. I mean, look at David Grush. Have you faced any retaliation or reprivals for any of your testimony or anything on these lines? Yeah, I have to be careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistleblower

or a prize of investigation on my behalf and I don't wanna compromise that investigation by providing anything that may help provide somebody information, but it was very brutal and very unfortunate. Some of the tactics they used to hurt me both professionally and personally to be quite frank. It's very unfortunate, as I say, when you're open to target,

that's when they do the most fire and action. Do you have any personal knowledge that people have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extra terrestrial technology? Yes. I think that's a very important thing to do. I think that's a very important thing to do. I think that's a very important thing to do.

I think that's a very important thing to do. I think that's a very important thing to do. I think that's a very important thing to do. I think that's a very important thing to do. to the appropriate authorities? Maybe in a, if we could get it, get in a confidential area of skiff, we could talk about that, but unfortunately,

we were to not access to the skiff, and that's very unfortunate in this scenario. They made fun of it. They leaked, they had PTSD, and they did it legally. What happened was somebody that he had gotten end of some disputeness, maybe a domestic issue, I'm not sure. But they got it all worked out,

but there was a police report and some little town somewhere. So somebody in the intelligence community found out about it. They waited till after his testimony. See what he said? And he brought out all this stuff that we talked about for years. And I've talked to people in and out and around the intelligence community about it. And they, you know, they brought this thing out. And then it was a police report because you can't release medical records because

of HIPAA. And so they bring this out and then he's got PTSD. Now let me tell you something. Only in Washington, DC, can you be critical of somebody for PTSD because brother, that doesn't fly here in Tennessee. Yeah. I mean, we celebrate veterans. At least in East Tennessee, we do my hometown

we do. And you know, it's just, to me, it's beyond belief, the way what they've done. Yeah. You know, I remember when that came out, I made a comment saying, well, if you're going to discredit somebody for PTSD, then you can no longer credit any policeman, any firefighters, any first responders, any woman that's been raped, my daddy, my child that's been raped, any veteran, anybody. Yeah.

It just goes out the window. And that alone, it's a reason why we should have been able, had that select committee, cause he was a whistleblower, and he was, tried to publicly shame. Well, part of the hearing was about government intimidation. And I can't remember if it was you or another congressman that asked, you

know, has anybody been murdered for blowing the whistle or coming forward on this nice nice nice nice. Yeah. But, um, but, um, and then, sure shit, what, a month, maybe a couple of weeks after, they start, they start the PTSD. And I knew it was gonna happen, and that tells you we're right over the target. Yeah. And it blew up in their face.

I kept thinking it's like bear rabbit, man. Don't throw me in that barrel patch, and they sure as hell did. And they pulled back enough. But we were warned about grush, by one of our staffers. What was the warning? He's not a legitimate thing.

And everybody is compromised in Washington, brother. We're compromised. The Russians used to use what's called honeypots. You'd travel somewhere and some attractive person, man or female or whatever. You know, they used to do it a lot with gay folks because they could intently, because back the stigma of being a homosexual

and now there's no stigma attached to it. But they would set them up, they'd film it. And then you know, you get ready to make a key vote. Somebody comes, hey man, heard about you in that motel room on, you know, you get ready to make a key vote. Somebody comes, hey man, heard about you in that motel room on, you know, whatever, and they go, what? And he said, yeah, I said, man, we don't need that to get out.

Oh man, I don't want that out, they're ruining my family. That's okay, man, we just need your boat on this. Oh, you got it, you got it. You know, and that's how they own your ass. And they do it through jobs, they do it through,, they do it through trips, you know, it doesn't have to be it sexual in nature. It's just traps, yeah. And you know, as I say, no man's an island and they figure

out, they analyze it, they know what they got and these staffers or they are the swamp some of them are. They run too much of it and we allow it. We all see it. Well, I guess I shouldn't say we all see it, but a lot of us see it. But back to the whistleblowers, I would imagine that just within that window where it was okay to come out and and and bring information forward on the UIP stuff, I would imagine you guys had thousands of whistleblowers that wanted to appear in front of Congress.

I don't know the numbers, but it's a day to day occurrence. How did you how did you in the rest of the team that you disassembled, how did you guys decide on which three you wanted? It wasn't, you know, we cast a pretty broad net, and you know, we probably, I don't know, 15 or 20 targets that I knew of that would be good in certain areas, and then they just kept whittling it down. And I didn't want 15 or 20. I didn't want a cattle call because it's not conducive to the issue.

I wanted people with firsthand knowledge is what I wanted. And military to me is the ticket. Yeah. And I knew if they discredited Grush, we had these two pilots. I got nothing. Why would they want to endanger

the reputation of their career? I mean, you know, I'm coming out with this. They have no ulterior motives. And so, you know, a little prodding, and they came forward, and they told a great story. Mr. Graves, again, I'd like to know, how do you know that these were not our aircraft? Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area,

we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's zero air speed over certain pieces of the ground. So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber, and it's gonna float downstream, these objects were saying completely stationary in category four hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach.

And they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't, I don't have an explanation for. Okay, if you've spoken to commercial and military pilots, they've seen these off of our east coast. Uh-huh. Okay. So, just say, Grush wasn't even there.

Two military pilots, best in the world, best trained, best aircraft, everything. Sworn testimony, where to God. And before Congress, that they had chased a craft. And they all said, this is nothing that we have. And it's not an hour. And I've said this, everybody says, well, it's probably Russia. It's probably China. I mean, you're a military guy. If Russia had that, would they be bogged down in Ukraine? And if China had that, would they, they don't us more than they do now. Yeah. And so there's no, the only other alternative is it's something we've reversed engineer, which means it's something we recovered and are flying it around in our military space or is something from outer space. Either way, either way,

it's something from outer space. I mean, either way, it's something from outer space. I mean, I don't, I don't think that there is any way that any other country is more technologically advanced than we are. I mean, we invented electricity, we invented the light bulb, we invented the internet, we invented the phone, we at the nuclear will bomb. What else to wind vent? I mean, all the wind at the Ford. Been at me, I'm sort of a detractor, but. And that's another thing. When you said that, how technological

advance or reminds me of the first hearing that they had when I was there of the intelligence committee, which was open to the public. It's kind of intelligence committees kind of like a little fraternity. They keep stuff within and it's supposed to be secret and stuff and all that. So they opened this thing up. They're going to have this big UFO UAP hearing. I'm the only congressman that shows up. They bring in these two guys from the Pentagon.

And honestly, I don't think they could spell UFO. They didn't have a clue. And that goes back to my compartmentalization. They were telling the truth as far as they knew it. They were asked several questions about well-documented UFO instance. One of them was a case where UFOs responded in a nuclear reactor literally shut down. And it's a documented case that these things were spotted in the same period of time in this country.

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if it was the shadow inside of the canopy of the airplane or this other object, I couldn't we could and then I remember it was asked Adam Schiff of all people, ask the best question. So what exactly am I looking at? You said can you slow that thing down? And it was asked Adam Schiff of all people asked the best question. So what exactly am I looking at? And he said, can you slow that thing down? And it was a 20 second film, most technologically advanced country in the world and they couldn't slow it down. Isabel Bargett, my little girl,

could have slowed that down, video down. But they couldn't slow it down to show us and they didn't know what they were even looking at. And you've got the Tic-Tac videos, not Tic-Tac, like the Chinese Communist Tic-Tac, like the candy. And they had one of the pilots that was involved in it in the audience. And he was not even allowed to come testify. What?

So, yeah. So, he had gotten in with press credentials, because I'm talking to the guy out there. And so, you know, and I walked by the press and I was told, another thing, I told I was gonna get to ask a question. And I'm still amazed at this. And I'm easing towards the thing and I get a text from one of the guys on the member

of the Republic said, hey, Bert, you know, sorry, you're not gonna be able to ask a question. Cause I was gonna rip on the new one. Cause I knew a little bit more about this than they weren't paying attention. They didn't care. They were just doing it to check a box. Say, where were we looking into it? And I had one of the members say, you know, we got more important things to do with this. I say, more important than a $60 million aircraft, which you stated, we've had 14 near-miss incidents with the best trained pilots in the world. And we don't know what

the hell it is in our own air space. So I walked by the press and they said, what'd you think about this Congressman? They were all kind of joking about, I go, we got hosed. Boom, they turned on me, not turned on me. You know, they turned to me. And I talked about what would just happen

and how you all got took in this whole deal. And then it exploited. Yeah. So right place at the right time. Yeah. You know what the, I would like, I'll give you the option. Do you want to unpack the hearing last? Or do you want to unpack?

I don't care, brother. Whatever's easiest to you, I'd do it on. I've relived it up. Well, you are super knowledgeable on a lot of the events that happened. So I'm going to have you unpack them for the audience because we don't know everything. And let's talk about Ross Wallam, what happened there?

All right, 1947. Ross Wellam, the Mexico. You gotta remember, America, it was not the Air Force, it was the Army Air Corps. And that's important because I will tell you something that happened to me later in life dealing with that. A farmer, there was a loud explosion, and later the next day a farmer was out in a spare phrase and all this, some of this might not be.

He found some material. He found what he had said was, look, it was a salt. What we'd call a traditional flying saucer. But flying saucer was a terminology that wasn't quite the terminology. He reported it. The military came in, Army Air Corps at Roswell, and they put out military intelligence, put out, oppressorily said, saucer recovered headlines, boom, across the country. Then the next day they came in and said, oh, it wasn't a spine saucer.

It was a hot air balloon. And they bring this poor colonel out and he's showing, there's famous pictures of him showing it's clearly a couple of some kind of balloon apparatus. So military intelligence went from a flying saucer to a pile of cloth and sticks in 24 hours. And the American public believed it because that's what we trained to do. We believe our military and we believe the press back then. So it gets kind of covered up and there's talk of bodies and craft and everything.

And then a chance conversation later some people were talking about it in the military and then it all just came out. Some of them had gotten some of this material and literally they said you could crinkle it up and I've heard this in other instances and you could throw it down on the table and it would come back out to its original shape. There was some of the sticks had higher glyphics. They said it was a purple hue into it, I think. Well, the United States Air Force comes out, and I remembered it was called Roswell, Case

Closed, is what they called it. And they had this fat second lieutenant. He was a smart Alec, and they gave a press conference. And they said, no, it was a hot air balloon. And they said, what about the little people that they found? Well, three years later or four years later, we did some experiments with dummies. We parachuted dummies down little small dummies. And we think that people just sort of carried this over a course of four or five years

and they put this all together into this one story. And that's what they put out. And I remember my dad, and I talk a lot about my mom and daddy, but I'm not, God gives us all gifts, I think. And one gift that my dad had that I have is the gift of perception. I said, what'd you think, daddy?

We watched that press conference on TV. It was early days of cable, and dad said, that guy was a smart Alec, and I said, what'd you think, daddy? We watched that press conference on TV. It was early days of cable. And dad said, that guy was a smart Alec. And I said, and he didn't know what he was talking about. My dad wasn't a UFO guy or anything. Yeah. Well, I have a truck and trailer business years later. And I was in the state legislature as part time in Tennessee.

And I was putting a guy's trailer hitch on. I mean, we had a Jeep and he was sitting in my shop with me. And I looked at his tags that said New Mexico. I said New Mexico. I said, you ever heard of Roswell? And he goes, yeah, my dad was in the army air corps. He didn't say air force. He said the air corps.

So I said, really? I said, and I remember I was putting that thing on, I thought, I mean, I was just like, I said, well, tell me, you heard it, did you ever talk about that UFO thing? He said, yeah, as a matter of fact, he did. He said, and it said, we always thought there was a mid-air collision. And there was two. And so, but in Roswell, you'll hear about this. I've pieced this together. They, we used a different kind of radio, as electromagnetic something.

We just started experimenting with it. And apparently, these, allegedly, these craft, if you hear of, there's always the use of this type of, whatever it is, I'm not the scientist, but it, you know but apparently it has some effect on these things. And so we've, and there was another crash somewhere else in the world on the same day, another alleged craft recovery.

So, Roswell in the Mexico covered up, I believe that was one of the first ones that we've, but there's been documentation. There was one that turned in the century, an aircraft, it talked about an aircraft down in Texas, which was before you would see an airplane. And the early, it was either 1907 or early teens where aircraft were not that common.

And there's been others, but that was the one that everybody kind of hangs on it. I'm sure there's others that been covered up, but I feel like that, I mean, that's what I think. Do you think that? But I think it's been so compartmentalized we'll never know the real story on that.

I mean, those bodies are said to be in a, if I remember correctly, a blue room in Wright, Patterson, Air Force Base. Right, Pat. Yeah. And I would say, you know, and not, you know, Speaker McCarthy said to me one day, he said, Hey man, I'm getting ready to get a code ill, maybe the area 51. You'd like to go?

I said, yeah, I'll go. I said, you're not going to go down there and see any aliens. And I said, you're not going to see anything else. And he said, yo, what do you mean? I said, it's just a tourist trap now. I mean, you know, Congress is going to go down there and see any aliens. And I said, you're not going to see anything else. And he said, yo, what do you mean? I said, it's just a tourist trap now. I mean, Congress is going to call, and we're going to go down there, and they're going to open up some vault and show us something.

Get real. I mean, it's arrogance and stupidity, I guess, of not a speaker, but of just, you know, to think that this group, they operate, dude, they stay very naive. I had a, there was an old lobbyist in Nashville, and I always remember his name is Tom Hensley, he's the Golden Goose. He since passed away.

He's a dear friend of mine. He was the liquor lobbyist, and I never voted for his bills, but he always loved me, because he was a dear friend from Knoxville, got him Pat Scruggs, who's a liquor distributor, and told Tom to be my buddy. So he was at a dear friend from Knoxville, got him Pat Scruggles with a liquor distributor and told Tom to be my buddy. So he was my buddy. And I remember him sitting there at the Crown Plaza one night, and some young hot shot with the governor's office

was running his mouth and said, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. And he had his little fancy bottle of glass of Jack Dan, who had spoken this old cigar, big old cigar, and he drank in the guy walks off and he said, birch it, he said, governor's coming, go, but the old goose will be sitting right here.

And that's the way these guys are, man. They are sitting, they're gonna be sitting there and they're gonna be running this thing, Congressman coming, go, and it just keeps, you know, and the more the longer it takes, the deeper it gets and the more compartmentalized it gets. So my other theory on this is that people that are analyzing these things don't know what they're analyzing. How so? They don't know that they're craft or they don't know it's foreign. They just know it's something that they're analyzing.

They're analyzing a piece of metal. They're analyzing a mechanical apparatus. They don't know if it's from an aircraft. They don't know if it's from a submarine. They don't have to know. They just know they can't talk about it. Helbe seems like a lot of things started happening right around 1947, and a lot of people believe that the Germans had some type of advanced technology.

Let's get into Project Blue Book. Okay. What is Project Blue Book? Project Blue Book was by the Air Force, and they analyzed, as official government program, and they went around and interviewed and analyzed UFO sightings and things like that. And they were, it's pretty inconclusive. I mean, as a couple guys driving around interviewing folks, there's one right up here in Kentucky that happened, There's one right up here in Kentucky that happened. There was the little people of Kentucky, Hopkins Hill, I think, you can read about it.

But there's all these things they analyzed and stuff. And they really, I didn't come with any conclusions. And a lot of people think it was a lot of false flags to stuff that was put out there to, and they were meant to never find anything. You think that was, it was a, I think the people that knew, yeah, let's send them out there on this thing. We're not, they're not going to show them anything.

We've already got it all wrapped up. So it was a cover. I think, but I think the people involved in it were genuinely concerned. I just don concerned, and I just don't. You have a government that's told us, at least since 47, these things don't exist, but now they're telling us they exist and they want you money. That's the other thing. They want our money.

They want government, the Pentagon, NASA, everybody's going to want money to study these things. In the Pentagon report, I think it's 56 pages, read the first paragraph and say, we're gonna use, you know, I think use the word robust. You know, I don't have to robust resources or whatever to study these things. It's all about money. It's just, it's taken from you and me to keep them in power. I mean, they're definitely very, the government's definitely very interested in it. I mean, do you know who Brandon Fugel is by chance,

owner of Skinwalker Ranch? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know all about that. Sure. I mean, they have what they believe is government intimidation happening. They keep flying black hawks and CH-47s over the property. They found out one of the members on the scientific team,

Travis Taylor is a plant from the Pentagon who is on the UAP UFO. I can't remember what program. Do you do anything about that stuff? Yeah. What do you know about it? Well, it's where I go back. I just don't trust anybody in this thing.

I mean, I just want to get it all out there and then let's decide. I was, so I get a call from somebody and they want to come talk to me in the office. And I was like, well, that's cool. Okay, whatever. You know, we'll set it up and they want to come talk to me in the office. And I was like, well, that's cool. Okay, whatever, you know, we'll set it up and they come in and I recognize some of the folks, there's more than one there.

And I get introduced to everybody and I said, well, who's that back there? And I said, he's not here. And I said, okay, so I don't know, you know, that, that, that got me a little. And sometimes these guys won't come in the building to see me. So I don't know if it's a, you know, if they're government entities that, you know, that are trying to, you know, ex file me, you know, claim it, you know, they're going to give me a bunch of garbage

and so that I'll come out with it and discredit me. That's why I just, you know, I just put it, I don't care, I'll tell you everything that I know, mostly, that I can tell you. And then, you know, and so it's just, to me, it's, who are these people? Okay, well, back to that way, I was saying the skin walker thing.

So they said, there's some people like to come see you. And I said, okay. And I don't watch all these TV shows. I just don't, I just don't, because it's just a rabbit hole. It's like, you know, going down this, we're gonna find, next week we're gonna do this, you know, and then next, it's, you know,

it's like the Oak Island mystery, you know? It's like the most watch show on History Channel, but every year, it's like, we get there, and then, we'll see y'all next year, you know? It's like who shot JR? And so, it's showing my age. But, so I get, they said, these guys wanted to come see me and I said, well, that'd be great.

I said, just tell them, come on up to the office. No, they don't want to come to the office. Was this the skim walker crowd? Okay. So, see, you blew my deal. They was gonna spring it on you, so you go, wow. So, I met my house, it's a Saturday. And they come in.

And they, they, I hit the gate button, they're inside and they get out and I look at it and I go, that guy, I'm, that's the guys from that TV show. And they came in and I gave him all the doctor pepper and we watched some stuff and we talked about some stuff, but you know, there's a lot of competition within the UFO community too. A lot of people selling books, a lot of people have podcasts, and there's a lot of animosity between the groups. And I see my job not as taken sides, because I don't, you know, I don't know

what the truth is, really, on all of it. I just want it. I know there's something else out there and I know that some of it's a diversion, some of it's a false flag, but some of it, you know, I got to have no most of my adult life told me about an incident that happened to him and the Navy. He saw me on the, he saw me on the, one of the UFO shows or something and he called me and he called me and he told me about an incident. This thing flew over him on a they were on a let's see. What's a tin can? You're the Navy guys. I had to destroy her. Oh,

I never spend any time on shit. Okay, okay, well anyway, anyway, they were out and I believe the Mediterranean and a this thing just flew over the top of them. It did, it did, it said it was big as a, he said, remember he said, I swear to you, it was, it was two blocks wide if it was a foot. And he said it was a, said they saw it coming in and you know it had the dome on the top and it was softer shaped. And he said it just stayed above them. No noise and they just stood there and looked at it. And it just took off like that. No noise. And then they were just like what the heck was that, you know. And then they, they get back

in port. And there comes the guys in the suits telling us it's a national security issue. You're not to talk about this. You'll go to the federal penitentiary. You'll see it down at 11 worth for the rest of your died gum lives. And they say, this is, and we made it. Don't talk about this to anybody. Wow.

And here it happened in the 50s. And you know, and the guy to call me, and he's, and he's since called me back again. And he told me the same story. I mean, it was identical. Everything he said was identical. You know, reminded me of my mama, you asked her what time it was. She told you how to make the clock. You know, before she'd give you the time, and it was that kind of, it was that kind of detail. He told me the weather, what was going on around them, where he was standing, just everything. It was just too specific. And again, you

can see all this footage of all these different things. Why would he lie to me? Why would Gordon Cooper, Gordo Cooper, one of the most famous astronauts, Apollo astronauts of all time. He describes an incident where you said, right Patterson. They filmed, you can watch the videos, and he describes it. He said they're sitting there and they filmed it. A craft comes in, a saucer, landing gear comes out. It does. And I'm not sure if anybody got out of it. I'm not sure what the out of the camera, all of it.

And then landing gear goes up, it takes off. And like, just what the hell was that? And they filmed it. Center right pat, they called the next day and they said, we don't know what you're talking about. Now, this guy, I mean, the original Apollo astronauts, I mean, they're heroes. I mean, those guys, they, everybody knew who they were.

Everybody, I mean, they had trade and cards. They gave them Corvettes. You know, he could have walked in any Sizzling Steakhouse in the world and they'd bought him the best steak in the house. He'd go into any bar, everybody buy him a beer. You know, I mean, this guy, Gordo Cooper, man, he was in the right stuff. I mean, they talked about it. I mean, he was portrayed in it. But, you know, I can, all these photos and stuff, but when I got like that says something. Yeah, to me that means it. What's, I mean, you've met fairly certain,

you've met everybody I know within the UFO, UAP crowd. What kind of stuff were you talking about with the skim walker? Well, they had some footage and they talked about, you, and I'll ask them where they thought it came from and and the different. And one of them said some things to me. I was a little, I wasn't skeptical of it. It was just, you know, it wasn't, and I wouldn't even call it on the fringe, but I hear it talked about. And I didn't, I don't really put much

into all that. You know, I just, you know, the grays, the, you know, the different, the different aliens and things. And they were talking about where they possibly came from. And what do they think they came from? There was a solar system outside of ours, and I can't even remember the name of it now. But again, that doesn't really fit into my thing. If we've got, I'd show me the dead-gum footage, and then we'll figure out that from there, because there's no way you're talking about something that's traveled light years to get here. I just, you know, that's beyond my comprehension.

Yeah. And there's people that think that they think themselves there. They're so far advanced if they can think themselves there. And you know, I don't, I'm not critical of anybody's beliefs on that stuff, because it doesn't, it doesn't affect what I think is my job as a congressman, is to get the facts out there.

Just get, show the footage. If you got bodies, show it to us. If you got the saucer, show us the dead gun saucers. I'd like, I think the American public needs to see that stuff. What is, what do they gain out of making contact with you and in, I mean, we just kind of went over what they're talking to you about,

but what's the point? Why are they coming to... I think that I can get it out, and that's what I worry about. Somebody within one of these government agencies trying to discredit me by giving me false information. Because we get, I'd say I've had hundreds of calls from people. People will send me photos of, you know, I can't see anything in it. And some of them, some of them look fairly legit,

but it could be AI generated, I don't know. And, you know, and somebody else say, look at my YouTube video of this and that and me talking about this, you know, I just don't have time. I just, I mean, I have a, I'm a Congressman, I've got Constitio, I got, yeah, VA issues, I got dog barking issues, you know, I've got everything. I mean, it's, yeah, I have an early, about eight counties, seven and a sliver off a one, you know, I represent a lot of people and there's a lot of issues. And so I have to deal with all that. And I've got people have been very kind to send me nice books about UFO stuff. They've written their encounters. And I just, and I try to glance through them and put them on, and I've got a collection of them now. Yeah. They all have real nice inscriptions. Apparently

that I've, somebody, I don't say my stature, but somebody in Congress would actually talk about this is validated them, I think in some ways, and I think that's cool. If I could provide somebody a little hope, and more than half the population believes something else out there. I'd say that's probably a lot more than that. Even that in the polls show just because people don't trust polls and are afraid to answer them. Yeah. I mean, who else have you met with?

I believe you've met with Dr. Stephen Greer as well. I know Stephen pretty well. He came over and he sent me a nice book, which I have looked at. I had dinner with him one day. He's jacked. He's pretty muscular guy. Lewis Elzondo, whatever.

I can't even say that. What did Stephen Greer want to talk to you about? Just about how the, he's involved with, this is what he tells me, that some military outfits that are going in and going to get some of these craft, get them out and more or less. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know civilians are messing with special ops. I don't know. I mean, they're operators. I don't know what all's going on with that.

But he talked to me a little bit about that and some other things. And what is it that he wants you to do with that information? I Don't know other than just know it and just share it maybe and to say that it's it's real, but he has a different, you know Everybody has a different belief in this thing. Yeah, and there again, I don't I just believe something else is out there. I'm not I don't I don't get into all that. I don't condemn them for it. I don't, you know, I've got buddies of mine that are Jewish, I've got buddies of mine that are Hindu, I've got some Muslim friends, you know, I don't condemn them.

Maybe not believe it, because I'm a Christian, but I don't condemn them for it. I don't think it's my job to do that or stay in a judgment. But I, I usually just, honestly, I just contain it. I just put in my head and then, because really all I see my job as a congressman is just to be transparent, just to get it out there.

Yeah. And by doing so, I think I validate a lot of people, because all these folks get abused about this stuff, and they're afraid to say anything about it. You know, I've walked on elevator, walked on airplanes, you know, walked by first class, I mean, this dude was sitting there,

and he was pretty well put together. You can tell that, you know, I'm sitting in the middle of my wardrobe right now. You can tell that guy, he was dressed pretty well, and he was sitting there, and he was kind of confident. You can kind of redig the vibe what they're up to. I can when somebody and he says, he's Congressman.

I go, yes sir, you know about that UAP issue. It was early on. I thought he was going to give me one of those. Don't we have anything better to do or don't you? And honestly, it's in the purview. I didn't choose this issue. It kind of chose me. You know Kevin McCarthy came to in the purview. I didn't choose this issue. It kind of chose me. You know Kevin McCarthy came to me and said I said something to him about it and he came

to me and said look it's your baby or you know that's what Chairman Comer said. And so welcome by this cat. He's about to U.F.P. issue and I thought well here it comes. He said really appreciate you looking into that. And I go, really? He said, yeah, he said, if you've ever had some sort of encounter, he goes, yeah, I have. And I said, I can't explain it. I said, all right, thank you. And I get that a lot.

I get that a lot. Used to be when I was, I used to kind of be the in Tennessee, I was, I went in the patron saint. I don't know what you call it, but mental health was my issue. And I brought it up everywhere, everywhere I went. And I always knew after I was over with, there's always the person you never suspect,

say, hey, my kid's got an issue with this or my wife, or my husband does, or I do, or whatever, and I appreciate you bringing it up. Now it's the same way with the UFO issue or UAP. Wow. And it's, you know, I can walk through them all. And people cut up and make fun of it. They'll say something, I've had congressman say something,

hey, merchant, are you gonna fly off on a UFO or something? Smart-e-up, I got a nice laugh, you know, I don't care. And I'm welcome. And then they'll circle around and go, hey man, I was just kidding about that. And when I was a kid one time, I was standing out in the middle of the field and this thing came over me.

And I said, I swear to you, I still to this day. I mean, I've had multiple Congress people tell me this. Wow. And I've had civic leaders and some all over. And people will call me from all over the country and there Saying as you're me military a lot of military people Had a guy tell me one time he was on a fishing boat and it's kind of reminded me that he described the craft as the

Same similar as the one that I was talking to he said this and he described where he was I Think he was out on the Gulf Coast. And a lot of activity seemed to be Gulf Coast centered. Near Eglund and all that down there. So he said they were fishing. And he just got the boat, you know, and that they were going after him and his buddy. And he was in the air force at the time.

And they were off duty or whatever. And they saw this craft just fly over him. He said, you know, and when he was describing it, I could, you know, my mind's eye pictured it. And then, and it just, it didn't make a noise. And then they heard just, we need to describe it whatever F-16, you know, because he was a pilot and he said it was two F-16s

or whatever chasing it. And they remember, he said, you know, I sort of thought, I said that thing, those F-16s are about, you know, 100, I mean, he's described that they were very, I meniscule and size compared to this thing and this thing and then it just took off. And it didn't make a noise. And then those jets were just shh, you know,

and he kind of, he's after the roadway, they thought about it, he's sort of laughed internally because he's like, what the heck are they gonna do to that thing? Yeah. And so, you know, this is a guy called me and this was actually, and this actual incident was written up and it was called,

one of these UFO groups, you're written it up as one of their top sightings of the decade or something. This is way back, I think maybe in the 70s or something that this occurred, but it was just every day, brother, every day. I try to return all my calls and people call me, but it's almost un, I just can't, I just got too many of those. Yeah, I can't, I just got too many of those. Yeah, I can't imagine the amount of, I can't imagine you have the band what to go through all of that, but, um, Lou Elizondo, who's somebody I've tried to get on here numerous times,

and it's like, I don't think it's going to happen. But what did he want to talk to you about? Just about, cause this guy's, he was on the inside, they claimed they didn't have this organization, and yet he was on the, he was, he was that organization. He was $11 million, I think, funded, I believe at that time,

that funded, it was the senator out of Nevada, Democrat, and he was part of the Skinwalker Ranch thing too, the research there, federal government did there. And he headed up that department and they said, you know, basically it doesn't exist. And then sure enough, there he was, he was running it. And again, you know, the tailed, tailed't know what the rest of the body's doing. And it's just, that's government. That's compartmentalized government.

That's just too big. So what did he want to talk to you about? I think Lou, he's a dear friend, actually. Is he? Yes, he is. He, we stay in contact, pretty regular, not telepathically. But I think he just wanted to encourage me. He just said, you're on the right path on this thing, Dave.

You're on the right path on this thing, Dave. And I've talked to him periodically about ideas I've had and people, if I think that they are legit or these stories, and I say, I sort of got this feeling on this one here. And I don't know that I trust Luke because he was with the government, but I do as much as I trust in any of these cats, but he's not lied to me yet. He's not steered me wrong. And, you know, he's the real deal. And, you know, he was kept as a lot of him are.

He was probably, I don't know that he was, I don't really put his hands on anything physically, but he probably kept at arm's length, that, you know, when he would get close, they would move it or do something else. Yeah. If you met with Chris Mellon? Chris Mellon is the, what's his title?

He's another prominent figure of the story. Yeah, I know he is. Matter of fact, I'd like to get him for the committee, actually. I know, I know he is sure I do. Yeah. And there's several others, but again, I'm allowed. I think they're going to give me one more committee meeting,

which tells me the bogus nature of this thing. Yeah. You know, they're going to get us close, and then they're going to, they're going to move the target or whatever. And then Jeremy Corbyl and George Napp, who were, George Napp is one of those guys that I've ever since I was a kid. I've known, because he did the Lazar thing. He's the guy that broke Area 51, really.

He's the guy that said that it existed, and the government said it didn't again. And then, sure, it lowened my hold, it existed. And you know, you want to go there now. You know, I guess, you know, they'll probably kill you if you cross over, but it's probably cause they're testing our secret aircraft over there, you know, U2 type stuff. And yeah, I don't, but yeah, he's, I like him. Well, if you don't mind me asking, who is there anybody in particular that you think is

a government disinformation agent? I'll just leave it at probably somebody you've mentioned in this conversation. Okay. And the problem is they don't know it. That's the key to this whole thing because they, how would they not know it? Because they're shown things that are false. Are there people, they've brought people to them that are false? Or something's created? Because all they got to is put a bug and some eyes here and then the government's getting another billion dollars to study some crazy projects

somewhere. Interesting. Does that make sense? It does. So it's, so the disinformation agent, well, it doesn't, it doesn't. So the disinformation agent is there to one discouraging, get people off track and to bring in more money.

Just to keep the fire lit enough, just get you salivating enough to where you're asking a lot of questions, folks like myself, but I don't want any more money. I don't want the government to get, I don't want the government to need it now. They need to go back, cut billions of dollars, trillions actually, but that's the sudden point.

So if they're discrediting somebody, how would that make more, how would that open, how would that open people's check? Well, if somebody getting close to the real issue, they'll discredit them. Other people, they'll let them go down the rabbit hole so they can get the money. Gotcha, gotcha.

So it's either one or the other. Who do you think? In your opinion, you don't have to say it because I know you talked to all of these people, who is the most, who's given you the most legitimate information? They all have. They've all given me a piece of something that's, that's real. Okay. All right. All right. I won't pry anymore with that.

But, um, yeah. So let's go on to progeny. We're trying to get somebody come knock on my door, aren't you? I'm trying to figure out. I don't care. They know who I am. I mean, you know, it's not like, I mean, I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress. It's funny.

I got a call from somebody and I won't say who it is, but they were pretty prominent in the Trump administration. I was on a Saturday and I was sitting on my couch and my buddy was there and he said, who the heck is that? And I showed him, he's like, holy cow on my phone. And he said, and he said, hey, you know you kick And I showed him, he's like, holy cow on my phone. And he said, and he said, hey, you know you kick the hornet's nest on this thing, don't you?

I said, yes sir. I said, I guess I have, and he goes, you know, you really ought to think about getting some bodies around you when you're out. It wasn't. Do what? I said, no kid. No kid.

And I told him, I said, no kid. No kid. And I told him, I said, well, I said, you know, I'm in East Tennessee. You know, if you're not armed, some of you, besides, I just got two on you, on them. So I said, and he said, no, I'm serious, you know. And I take that kind of stuff serious. I've spent a lot, a lot of money on home security and keeping my family safe and those things. So it's, you know, and I think about that. And I think about the disinformation. People getting killed in Washington

and they claim their mug or whatever and they still got their watch and their wallet on them and things like that. The police report, nobody investigates. They find a bag of cocaine in the White House and then the only spot in the White House for there's no camera. They say there's DNA but it was not enough, which to me is either pregnant's like either pregnant or you're not pregnant. Yeah.

The N.A. or no DNA. Yeah. And nobody asked the questions and it's just brushed off. Of course. Of course. But how about Project Grudge came in in 1948, specifically created to debunk the UFO, UAP sightings. Do you have anything about that?

A little. You know, things like that are, are they real or are they not? I feel like there's a lot of, I go back to the disinformation. They don't want people on that track. And I think a lot of them are arrogant. And they think we can't handle it, which I don't buy. I don't, and, and too, it's a control thing.

And there's an arrogant. So I remember one time I was with somebody early on in my congressional career. And I was, I was having a fundraiser and they were there. And they were a big shot and they were gonna speak a little and help me raise some money. And the president called. And they said, I want to take this president

go back to our room, you know, whatever. And I thought, and I sort of handed, I was like, really the president? Can I talk to him? Can I say hello to him? And they're like, no, man, no. You know, and it was just a control thing. 15 seconds wouldn't have hurt. I mean, his dad got me trump.

So, you know, he'd have talked to anybody. So, and I always stored that back, not because the fact that they, I was mad because I wasn't really, I was still, you know, a little green at that issue. And I don't know why, because I've hung out with Kid Rock twice. Second time, you remember my name

and I remember the Harley Davidson I had. So, you know, I've hung out with some, the biggest there are, Kid Rock's kind of at the top of the list at that time. But it always reminded me of that what I've said about power and control. There's a mental thing with a lot of people. And some of them are insecure, really, that they want to, and they use that. If they've got something that maybe you want, just because you want it, they're not going to give it to you. It gives them this power of control over you.

And I think that goes into a lot of these reports. Again, the Kennedy assassination reports. What's that going to show? What will it show? Who are they going to embarrass that's out now, but it's a control thing. I mean, yeah, it does. That's a psychological condition. I don't know, you can probably have somebody analyze it, say it's BS or not, but I see that a lot in politics

where they're gonna have a meeting with somebody and they don't want, you know, we can't let them in, you know, disseminates't let them in, you know. Yeah. This emanates the power and the control. Does make sense. Does make sense. Do you think that the government has had his made communications with ETs? I don't think so. I think it's been, I don't think they could control it. I don't think they could control that much knowledge or power. I think it's been accidental. I think that it's, yeah, I've heard a lot of talk on that and because honestly with

that technology and their ability, I mean, I just kind of ex-filing it here, shooting from the hip, but you'd have people live in 500 years because they would obviously, there'd be some technology or something or they'd have incredible, some of them, you know, maybe have incredible wealth, but I think that they would, you would see, they would stick out and crowd. Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break. All right.

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