Shawn Ryan Show - #78 Tim Burchett - Non-human Biologics, UFO Encounters, and Mexico's Alien Bodies | Part 2

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

This week on SRS, we welcome Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett to the show. Burchett is one of the few congressmen that is actively pursuing the uncovering of UAP / UFO phenomena, regardless of how much flak it may bring. Burchett put together the first hearing for Congress to seriously evaluate UAP / UFO reports in 50 years. Part two of this episode covers the hearing and breaks down multiple testimonies and encounters. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://shopify.com/shawn https://ziprecuriter.com/shawn https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" Tim Burchett Links: https://twitter.com/reptimburchett https://www.instagram.com/reptimburchett Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Previously on the Sean Ryan show. What was the conversations that sparked this whole thing? It all started with TMZ. Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots and can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is? Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere. I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes.

I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes. Two military pilots, best in the world, best trained, best aircraft, everything. Sworn testimony. It's where to go. And they, And before Congress. And that they had chased a craft. Mr. Graves, again, I'd like to know, how do you know that these were not our aircraft?

We come back, we will unpack the actual aircraft. All right, Tim, we're back from the break. We're getting ready to dive into the UAP hearing. But before that, there have been a couple other things in the news lately that actually both this month that I'd like to get your thoughts or maybe a little bit of a debrief on it. One being the hearing with NASA. What happened there?

I think like the Pentagon, the other agencies, I think they're realizing, again, America believes in the world, frankly, believes we're not alone. I think they smell dollars. NASA is, they're always hungry for money. They're trying to get to Mars. They're trying to do all this other stuff. Again, since 1947, at least, our government's been lying to us. Now, of a sudden, they want money to study the issue.

And I just, you know, the folks that they had come talk to us the other day, I didn't know that the press wasn't invited. I would have not come to the meeting if I didn't know that the press wasn't invited. I would have not come to the meeting if I didn't own that, actually, because they talked about nothing and they talked about if something was spotted who would be in charge of it, I think somebody even tweeted about it, you know, it'd be the space force. You know, there again, your own agency, and then they talked about how they wanted to get with the other agencies. And so they collaborate, that's the big word they always use. It's sort of a think tank word to collaborate. You hear that a lot.

It's leadership groups. We're going to collaborate. And I think that's what, you know, it's just about money. They just want more money to study it. And I say, just turn loose the files, turn loose of everything you got. And then they said, they said, well, what if you saw them with a, you know, whatever, a telescope? Well, we wouldn't see a UFO with a telescope.

And they said, you know, and they said, and these people said, we don't, we honestly, nothing we have is confidential. That's what they said. Nothing NASA has is confidential. Now think about that, satellite imagery, all this other stuff is not confidential. So they say it's not confidential. And our NASA was not confidential.

So I guess what I'm saying is, is it below, are they saying everything is below confidential or are they saying everything is above confidential because confidential is not confidential? So it could be secret and top secret or that could be completely unclassified. Speaking of both sides of their mouth actually, because as it turns out,

they have satellite imagery, and then they just sit in. It's what they were saying was everything that have is open to the public. Open source. Open to the public. So I just don't buy that. And again, I think those people there put them on a lie detector, they are telling the truth, for what they knew. They're just their little compartmentalized bureaucrats that they were. And that's their little world. That's all their little world was their little world and that's all they knew. But again, it just boiled down to dollars. And I asked them, I said, how are we supposed to believe you all that all of a sudden,

you want to study these things when you've told us they don't exist. They didn't really have a clear answer. Nothing. Maybe it was just like a lawyer. It's not a very good one at that. So are they just asking for money? Like that's literally the...

No, they were saying, well, no, we're just studying it within our own purview. But then they, but if you read the report, they'll read the report, the first paragraph it talks about, I think it's robust resources. We will be using robust resources to stay.

Now, where they go get that money? They're going to take it away from their, the ships's rockets. Rockets are sending to Mars or to the moon again or what? And no, they got to come up with new money. And again, this is just feeding the kitty. It's all they're doing. And you know, you have several, so several different agencies what I found out have said they don't exist.

Now several different agencies say they do exist and they're going to start studying them. So what has changed? I don't know, but you know, we kind of, I mean, let's talk about the money. We talked about this on a little warm-up video, but what I don't understand is there's all the black budget programs and we had talked about all the money that's going to Ukraine, which is basically feeding the military industrial complex companies, which are overcharging the government, and that's how we both believe that these black projects are being funded by overcharging

the government other areas and then funneling that money in. So is this, do you think that they just believe this is an easy grab now that you owe UAP entities? And then when you see Schumer has come forward with this thing and I see how these UFO people saying, are you getting on board Schumer's? And we've got a real, we've got somebody that's really turned on. I mean, you got, you got the swampy of some swamp creatures.

I mean, don't knock him every time I've met him and talked to him, he's been super nothing but nice to me. But, you know, it's just about money. We take in $5 trillion a year and they want to spend over seven trillion, and that's a conservative approach to these folks. Wow. Wow. Do they, I mean, so did NASA.

Do they get in depth on what they're going to spend the money on, or is it just, hey, we need more money because we want to study these things? Are they saying, hey, I couldn't get real specific again. And it's just limited, their knowledge is limited. It's give us money so we can develop a plan. I mean, that's where it's going to come down to. Give us money and we'll develop a plan.

And then we'll come back to you on how we've spent your money. And they'll come back with its inconclusive. So why? Because they can continue studying. If they found it and said, hey, we found life. We've got this salsa over here. We've got this group over here. It wouldn't need to that guy money. I'm needing more. So obviously. So in your opinion, this just complete nonsense. Yeah, I should be giving them. Give them more money to stay Listen, if you're gonna go to Mars stick to your nitten go to Mars if we're gonna use you to track Soviet satellites then let's do that if we're gonna, you know Everything else. I think they just need to stick to their nitten. Yeah

How about the UAP hearings in Mexico? You know our one guy that was down there that was in ours He went down there and he he was legit and I you know, they brought these bodies forth and I'm and I don't know I think about them other than What I've read and what I've heard. If they could get them up, noted you, fallegists have studied them, noted Mexican doctors. Mexican is not exactly the place I'd go for any procedures. I wouldn't get a

splinter removed south of the border. And bring them up here. Let's take them to one of our research places, and let our top research places, if they're serious about it. This is the same guy who was rumored to have involved in a former thing where they had some mummies, and they turned out they were just a bunch of, I think it was little Mexican kids that had died. And they put them in, it was years ago, there was a situation. He was rumored to be involved with that situation. I just, you know, bringing forth something like that was just kinda.

This is, so this is the same guy that put this on as the same guy that was allegedly. What's the point of it then? Why would they have this? Well, they come out and answer the first government to say there's UFOs. I just think, again, something they got took. I just don't think the Americans went down there with an open mind and I think they left disgusted with it.

That's what I gathered. And the people I know that are in the serious people in this country, you know, they didn't want say anything because they don't wanna, but they've all confided in me that it's, they thought it was pretty much a hoax. Just a publicity stun or something? Yeah, I mean, the guy got in there and he's probably, he's rich, he'll travel the country, he'll

be writing books about it and he'll display them at the carnival or something. And I'm sure there's money attached to it, there always is. Do you think that set us back? Do you think it affected the genre at all? And it said it's back if I had put it in ours, because you know, they didn't want to come up here. Yeah. I mean, we had the most talked about UFO hearing in the world.

I mean, bar none. Yeah. International. We had people covering it from all over the world. And I was literally having to turn down interviews just because there was just not enough time, had to be places and blogs and podcasts or what podcasts I guess you call them and never heard it from these guys once. Interesting.

What do you know about other countries in their not just Mexico, but Canada is big. It's about over in Europe to you, Jane Glendiz has had departments that have studied this and people have come forward with information. So yeah, I think it's a, and you've got, of course you've got Soviet Union collapses and things, we lose things. You've got the Italians claim that there was a deal and it's been written about, and I haven't had time to chase it really. Something deal with the Nevada and that they recovered, you know, the sponsor and archeological

type thing and they recovered something. Of course, you got the Nazis, of course, in the Second World War. I don't put a lot of faith in that. I think they had a lot of technology going on. They had Warner von Braun and the V2, but they never could perfect a lot of faith in that. I think they had a lot of technology going on. They had Warner von Braun and the V2, but they never could perfect a lot of their stuff. They were going a hundred different directions. And they didn't learn how to mass produce stuff like you could take in one car being,

you could take the slide off of it, one made by Inland-Marine and put it on one made by Winchester. They couldn't do that. The Germans couldn't do that. We mastered that. Mass production, similar, something works, stick to it. It's cheap. It works, produces.

Let's go. They would have their intricate and very precise with their things, you know. And that's interesting. I mean, I've said they got a lot of their war criminals because they kept such incredible records of the horrible things they were doing to those poor folks. They hung those bastards after the war because they found a lot of information. because they found a lot of information. But I think there's been some pretty well-documented cases all over the world. Yeah, I mean, George NAP reports that Russia has had at least 45 UAP encounters, former British defense officials. This Nick Pope says that they are aware of UAP programs

in both China and Russia. Scott Bray, acting director of Naval Intelligence reports, there are no signs of extra-terrestrial involvement. I mean, it's just everybody's all over the board here. Are you, do you have any information previous to China and Russia's UAP programs? A little, you know, they're land masses so large that they have, and they keep things so sacred.

So when it comes out, it's usually very old and it's been chewed on so much, you don't really know what part of it's the truth or not. So I don't get too hung up on all that stuff. Okay. Because there's enough here that you could spend your five lifetimes and not ever get it all disseminated. With as much information and evidence and video footage,

is you've had access to, is there anything in particular that you find a commonality in all the different reports, like maybe where do the majority of UAP sightings have? Yeah, that, you know, military installations, but I couch that because obviously military installations or radars going to be and where our high tech stuff's going to be. And are they checking out our craft or they checking out these areas or they're just prevalent and we have such high tech equipment that it picks them up.

Because, you know, pilots tell us how these things that hovered out there for hours. And there'd be like, you know, I think even on one of the audio, it was on one of the tapes, you said, man, there's no squadrant of those things out here. And that's not a fake, that's a real deal. You know, I've talked to some of the pilots that were there and that saw that and said that.

So I think, so I'm not sure that it's just military installations, but I mean, if they're gonna fly here and check something out, they're gonna see where our best and brightest are out of the sun and just checking us out. And I don't know if that's in the military anymore. Yeah, so what I said about, I asked him about about senior UFOs in Washington DC

and I said, no, I said, because they said there's no intelligent life. Oh, man. All right, well, let's start moving into the actual hearing. Right. Once again, this is the biggest event ever to happen within the subject matter. Sure. And you did a phenomenal job putting that together.

Had great people, the other congress people, you know, Luna, she's great. Jared Mosquitz, we're not the same party. When we're so far apart on everything, he's Jewish and I try to be Christian and he's a, I'm very conservative and he's not obviously, he's got an incredible mind. And man, God gave him a gift and I was just honored that he took part in it.

And my buddy Matt Gates walked in and somebody said, his gate's mad at us? I said, Gaetz has got his game face on. And man, when his turn came, it just, it rocked. Yeah. And, you know, he's no slouch. He looks, he likes the fight. Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure

from Eglon Air Force Base, indicating that there was a UAP incident that required my attention. I saw a briefing regarding that episode and brought with me Congressman Birchit and Congressman Luna. We asked to see any of the evidence that had been taken by flight crew in this endeavor and to observe any radar signature as long as, as well as to meet with the flight crew in this endeavor and to observe any radar signature as long as as well as to meet with the flight crew. We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew and initially we were not afforded access to images and to

radar. Thereafter we had a bit of a discussion about how authorities flow in the United States of America and we did see the image. And we did meet with one member of the flight crew who took the image. The image was of something that I am not able to attach to any human capability, either from the United States or from any of our adversaries. And I'm somewhat informed on the matter, having served on the Armed Services Committee for seven years, having served on the Armed Services Committee for seven years, having served on the committee that oversees DARPA and advanced technologies

for several years. When we spoke with the flight crew, and when he showed us the photo that he'd taken, I asked why the video wasn't engaged, why we didn't have a FLIR system that worked. Here's what he said. They were out on a test mission that day over the Gulf of Mexico. And when you're on a test mission, you're supposed to have clear airspace.

Not supposed to be anything that shows up. And they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the United States Congress. One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again, like I said,

not of any human capability that I'm aware of. And when he approached, he said that his radar went down. He said that his FLIR system malfunctioned, and that he had to manually take this image from one of the lenses, and it was not automated in collection, as you would typically see in a test mission. So I guess I'll start with Commander Fraver. how should we think about the fact that this craft that was approached by our pilot had the capability of disarming a number of the sensor and collection systems on that craft?

Well, I think this goes to that national security side and you can go back through history of things showing up in certain areas and disabling our capabilities, which is disheartening. And for us, I mean like I said, it completely disabled the radar on the aircraft when I try to do it and the only way we could see it is passively, which is how you got that image. So I think that's a concern on what are these doing not only how do they operate but their capabilities inside to do things like this. And how should we think about for craft moving in a very clear formation, equidistant from one another in a diamond,

in all of the phenomenon, perhaps Mr. Grave, that you've analyzed, have we ever seen multiple craft in a single formation? I have one particular case and that was during the gimbal incident. The recording on the AT Flair system shows a single object that rotates. You hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects that is not visible on the Flair system. And that was something that I witnessed during the debrief as part of the radar data on the situational awareness page.

I would like to add, whoever congressman, there's a small bit of anger, I would say, I would feel that those pilots are still facing that difficulty in reporting this topic and they don't have the tools to be able to mitigate this issue. It just goes to show how serious this is and why this is such an important issue for our pilots and for our nation.

It was stated explicitly to me by these test pilots that if you have a UAP experience, the best thing you can do for your career is forget it and not tell anyone. Because any type of reporting either above the surface or below the surface does have a perceived consequence to these people and that is a culture we must change if we want to get to the truth. Mr. Chairman, I would observe that perhaps as we move forward from this hearing, there are some obvious next steps.

Every person watching this knows that we need to meet with Mr. Grush in a secure compartmentalized facility so that we can get full-some answers that do not put him in jeopardy and that give us the information we need. Second, I would suggest that the radar images that were collected of this formation of craft out of Aglan Air Force Base and specifically the actual image taken by the actual flight crew that we can actually validate be provided to the committee sub peanut if necessary so that we're able to track how to get this type of reporting and analysis done in a more full some way. That would be my recommendation,

humbly as a guest here of the Fine Oversight Committee. I yield back. I will say it was very refreshing to see two sides come together. Yeah, well, you know, I asked, and I asked AOC, she's a buddy of mine. I call her Cortez, she calls me Burtjitt, I still don't think she quite gets it. I'm not out to get her. It's like I'm gonna go up to the Bronx or wherever that,

she's from and beat her. She's gonna come to Knoxville, Tennessee and beat me. I mean, you know, it's kind of, you know, I used to be a kid speaker Pelosi. I wish she would, would, would cuss me on the six o'clock news one time. I said that I could just stand on the corner of Kingston Park in North Shore with just a bushel basket.

And she said, why is that? I said, because people would be throwing money at me. She thought that was great. And I said, if you need me to come, work, work against you and say I'm from Cisco, just call me, you know. But, but no, it, but no, it is a nonpartisan issue. And I think there's a complete distrust of government. It's well-earned, and it's both parties do that. And I think we kind of seized upon that.

Let's talk about some of the roadblocks that you guys face going into this. You got turned around with several different military installations. Yeah, I went down to that. Was it Eglina? I guess down in Florida, I think. Myself in Luna and Matt Gaetz. They're both from Florida. So I went down there and ate about three dozen raw oysters at some place. Matt and his brought to me too. And the next morning we went to that meeting and we're told we're going to be briefed and see pictures and trying to

visualize it all on my head because it's still so predictable and meet the pilots. So we go into the skiff, which is, you know, James Bond kind of stuff. I don't have a fit bit. If you had a fit bit, you had to take it off, you got a watch or anything electronic or a phone, you had to put it in the little similar to the things they found the cocaine in it to White House, those kind of compartmentalized things. And so we go in, it's a big room, a lot of brass, a lot of suits, probably CIA or NSA or somebody I don't know. And they gave us a great briefing on some great breathing on some really scary stuff that's going on in and around where they are. And can you elaborate on any of that? Not really, because of the... See, that's what I'm saying.

This is a trap. We got to get in the skiff to get this information. Well, in some instances, unless it's been put out, which all this stuff, mostly this stuff at Eglund was put out by other people in the room. If they tell you that stuff, it's secret. And you're not allowed to talk about it. Unless it's been, the press has been out there. But anyway, and that's a trap.

That's what they wanna do with David Grush. They wanna let's get him in the skiff. Let's get this information. Well, it's kinda questionable if they do that. If we can even talk about it. People say, well, it'll help us divide our questions. And I just think it's a trap. So, I just take him's word and we go on. But anyway, so

Matt basically just says, Hey, y'all have, uh, it's not what we said we were coming down here for. And um, he said, Yeah, I appreciate all this, but this isn't what we, you know, we were told we were going to get talked to pilots, we're going, we were told we were going to talk to pilots We're going to see pictures where you're going to get to interview the pilots on what they saw and they said you can't do it. You don't have them You know, you don't have the Credentials or whatever we don't have you don't have clearance. They don't have the clearance. Yeah, and Which is not true. So Technically we They don't have the clearance level. And which is not true. So technically, we're supposed to have the clearance. And Matt said, I tell you what we're going to do.

I was like, he said, we're going to come in here. We're going to start out. We're going to have a hearing in DC. And we're going to ask you some questions. And I'm paraphrasing what Matt said, but he said, y'all are going to purge yourself on something you've said. And we're going to hold you accountable. And said, now, which is it? And they said, we're not. And then I said, all right, he said, I'm calling Washington.

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Matt was talking to the Pentagon, and an hour later, the general came in and there's one of his people I can't remember which said, all right, we're bringing them in. And so we go back down and they talked. They talked about, and Matt described it in the hearing about some things. And I always took this from us. That what Matt said in the hearing, he said, these were craft that were none of our enemies or our adversaries or friends had. And nobody in this world had this type of aircraft. Is that correct? And they all said, nope, nobody's got those. Neonanamously. Without hesitation?

Without hesitation. It just went down the line. I'm not sure if he asked that, anyway, but that led up to all that, at which I thought was, I don't know if magnificence the right word, but it was, you know, you don't ask a question, unless you know the answer.

And it was, it was historic, I guess, it comes, it's funny that that the wheels in Washington leadership, both parties, they just, I let Merchit go ahead and do the singing, I'll go show up, you know, they had like a thousand, they said they had more people there than they've ever had at anything. I walked down the hall and they were lined up around. People saw me and started clapping and getting selfies and stuff.

I got up at 4th, I left the office at 430 that morning to go beyond Fox to talk about the hearing coming up. People were already lined up dude, outside the building at 430 in the morning. I met people from overseas that had flown in on their own dime. I mean, that's what some kid came from Alaska. He said, I'm flown here on my own dime. I said, well, get in line, brother. And you know, it was the hearing was, I don't know, three hours. Maybe I don't know, two and a half hours. People never left. And you know, the hearing was, I don't know, three hours, maybe I don't know, two and a half hours, people never left. And what you didn't see was they had a whole other viewing room packed with people for

watching it. And so, you know, people, white folks, black folks, different faiths had a priest in there of all things who came to watch it. And a reporter told me that they'd been there 15 years and said, Tim, and he named all these hearings that went on. He said, they never had this much interest. Man. And that's what caught leadership off guard, I think.

Did that surprise you? No, it did not. I thought they'd try to turn a lot of them away. You knew how much interest the subject there. We tried to have, it's funny, we had a press conference. My press secretary Rachel said, boss, we're going to do this press press event and I said, okay, whatever. And I didn't really think much of it. You know, I just said, we're gonna sit there and answer a few questions. And that was getting ready to walk

into our conference meeting. I called, it was caucus when I was in the state legislature, it's conference now. And I'm sorry, I look off a lot. I'm trying to visualize, because I can visualize it in my head what we were doing. I remember I was walking down the hall and a reporter set their microphone, set was walking down the hall and a reporter

set their microphone, set handed to the camera and said, Hey Tim, can I talk to you for a minute? And this was a reporter from a major network. I said, yeah, brother, what's up? Man, I thought maybe he's in trouble. I don't know. You know, and he said,

hey, you get this press conference called tomorrow, right? And I said, yeah, yeah. And he said, you know you get this press conference called tomorrow, right? And I said, yeah, yeah. And he said, you know, they put you in a room that's under construction. I said, this is a big event. Nobody, you can't get in there. There won't be enough room for y'all to even hardly be in there. And I was like, really? And so we did some check and in fact, I mean, you know, every step of the way

they tried to block us. And that always just inspired me to push a little harder because even the press knew that there's something going on with this thing. And they got all this other stuff to cover, Hunter Biden and the president and all those shenanigans and cocaine at the White House. And the border and fentanyl and all these incredibly

important things. But every reporter pretty much was on top of that thing. Yeah. What other kind of pushback did you get? We had pushed back from our own Republican staff, you know, trying to discredit members. I was, apparently I was mistaken, but I was, you know, I was told I was going to chair this meeting. Yeah. And day before I was told, no, in fact, you're not going to chair this meeting.

Who makes that decision? Well, it comes from on high. It's got to go through the speaker to the chairman or whatever, you know. But it was fine. The guy that chaired it did a good job. And I don't think he realized, you he realized how big it was going to be. You have to tag her by the tail on that one. I mean, was that McCarthy's decision?

I don't know. I don't know. I guess. I mean, it could have been the chairman, it could have just been, it could have been I just misunderstood. But I mean, you know, if you you saw any interview leading up to that, it said Tim Berkshire will be chairing this. I mean, loaned. She said I was going to chair it. Gates said I was going to chair it.

Mosquit said I was going to chair it. Everybody said I was going to chair it and then I was told. But you know, again, they asked, I got out there, you know, I tweeted, I said I've just been informed and I dropped it at that because I didn't want the issue to be me or the what was going on. I wanted it to be, I wanted to be what was in that thing because that could have easily blown up into, you know, we just walked off and then, you know, they would have been sitting there talking about Chinese spi-ballons the whole time, which is what, which is what a lot of them wanted it to be about. That's what a couple of them brought up.

They did. And they, you know, folks like I had a tie to leadership and that's fine. I thought something funny was going on when they pulled you off that. In fact, I asked you, why did you get pulled off? But, um, but, um, we touched a nerve. I mean, you know, we tried to do the select committee and intelligence.

It, another instance, one other thing before I forget. I'm sorry to pull you off, if you thought, but the TA, the TA reauthorization, transportation reauthorization bill. I had an amendment on that just said said if a commercial pilot, not a, not a, you know, armed forces, commercial pilot spots a UFO or UAP that they, when they make that report that it has to be made to Congress as well. The bill, the amendment was not even allowed to be heard. The whip came to me on the House floor and said the intelligence community, not the intelligence community, not the intelligence community,

but the intelligence community had some problems with that. A bunch of unelected bureaucrats, once again, you wonder how they can still fund Ukraine, while the rest of the country goes without. Unelected bureaucrats, once again. And they, it wasn't even heard in committee. And to me, that's unacceptable. once again, and it wasn't even heard in committee. And to me, that's unacceptable.

Yeah, that's disturbing. Where do you think that the motivation comes from, especially from people in your own party, trying to discredit you or whoever's decision it was to pull you off chair in that hearing, where's the motivation coming from? Got too much attention. We're turning over too many stones. Too many people were getting uncomfortable.

So are these people being paid? I don't know. I don't know what they're doing. I honestly, I mean, it's the swamp. I mean, it's the, it's the crickety thing I've ever been around in my life. But I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's what you're making a surprise when you have to watch them

that it was not surprised because it's, um, you know, it's just human nature and they play upon it. People want to be liked. They want to be popular. They want to have money. They want power. Let's, I think it may be from coming from the reverse engineering, supposedly reverse engineering projects and maybe some of these, these military industrial complex companies

may be paying people off to try to discredit you. I mean, you know, they can take them to dinner one night and then they say, hey, we got this little condo down here to beach once you bring your girlfriend or boyfriend or both down to the beach or something and you know, they get their tentacles into them, their claws into them and then they just own them. It's just a, they develop a relationship and everybody wants to be liked.

And I get it. I get it. I'm not angry at anybody. I'm not even disappointed. I'm not even surprised. It's just, it's just what I deal with on a daily basis, just about on any issue. That's the way it is up there. That's what it needs to change.

Well, let's unpack, let's unpack the actual hearing now. Okay. So I just like to go through each guy's testimony, you know, even though it was all kind of intermixed, but let's start out with the pilots. David Fraver. Commander Fraver? David Fraver. Commander Fraver? Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, carsmen, carerswomen.

I want to first thank you for the invitation to speak to the committee on the UAP topic. There's been a news for the past six years and it seems to be continuing to gain momentum. As you know, my name is David Fraver. I'm a retired commander in the United States Navy. In 2004, I was a commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41, the world famous Black aces.

We were a test to carry our wing 11 station on board the USS Nimitz and it began a two-month workup cycle off the coast of California. On this day, we were scheduled for a 2v2 air-dare training with the USS Princeton as our control. When we launched off-nimmits, my wingman was joining out. We were told that the training was going to be suspended and we were going to proceed with real-world tasking. As we proceeded to the west, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that

we were going to and we were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived. The controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up for those who don't realize that more 80,000 feet is space. We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet in the controller called Merch Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact. As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some white water off our right side. It's important to note that the weather on this day was as close to the perfect as you

could ask for off the coast of San Diego. Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white capture waves, so the white water stood out in a large blue ocean. All four of us, because we were in F-18F, so we had pilots in Wizzone in the back seat. Looked down a small, saw a white tic-tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north south and moving very abruptly over the water, like a ping pong ball. There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings.

As we started clockwise towards the object, my Wizzo and I decided to go down and take a closer look at the other aircraft staying in high-covered tubes or both us and the tic-tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis,

aligned it with my aircraft and then to climb. We continued down another 270 degrees, nose low, where the TicTac, or we consumed 270 degrees, and we went nose low to where the TicTac would have been. 270 degrees and we went nose load where the tic tac would have been. Our altitude at this point is about 15,000 feet in the tic tac is about 12,000. As we pulled nose onto the object,

within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingmen roughly 8,000 feet above us lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the white water was at and it was gone also. So as you started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, sir, you're not going to believe this, but that thing is at your cat point, roughly 60 miles away, unless in a minute you can calculate the speed.

We returned an image, we were taking off our gear, we were talking to one of my crews, it was getting ready, launch, we mentioned it to them, and they went out, and luckily got the video that you see that 90 second video. What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released and we don't know where it's at, the act of jamming that the object could on an APG 73 radar and I can get into modes later if you're interested. What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated

and none of my crew ever questioned. Tapes were never taken and after a couple days it turned into a great story with friends. It wasn't until 2009 until J. Stratton had contacted me to investigate Unbeknownst stall, he was part of the 8-Tip program in the Pentagon led by Luol Zando. There was an unofficial official report that came out that's now on the internet. Years later, I was contacted by the other pilot Alex Dietrich and asked if I'd been contacted and I said,

no, but I'm willing to talk. I was contacted by Mr. Al-Zando and we talked for a short period of time and he said we'd be in contact. A few weeks after that, I was contacted by Mr. Alizondo and we talked for a short period of time and he said we'd be in contact. A few weeks after that, I was made aware that Lew would left the Pentagon in protest and join forces with Tom DeLong, Chris Mellon, Steve Justice, and others to form two stars Academy, an organization that pressed the issue with leading industry experts and U.S. government officials. They worked with Leslie Keane who was present today, Ralph Lewinthall and Helene Cooper to

publish the articles in the New York Times 2017, New York Times. And it removed the stigma on the topic of UFOs, which is why we're here today. Those articles open the door for the government and public that cannot be closed. It has led to an interest from our elected officials who are not focused on little green men, but figuring out where these craft are, where they from, the technology they possess, how do they operate? It also led to the Whistleblower Protection Act in the NDAA. There are multiple witnesses coming forward to say that have firsthand knowledge and Mr. Grush just covered that. What concerns me is that there's no oversight from our elected officials on anything associated

with our government processing or working on craft. Believe not from this world. This issue is not a full-public disclosure that could under my national security, but it is about ensuring that our system of checks and balances works across all work done in the government using taxpayer funds. Relative to government programs, even unacknowledged wave programs, have some level of oversight by the appropriate committee members in the House and Senate, and this work that is said to be occurring from whistleblower testimonies should not be exempt. In closing, I would

like to say that to Tic Tac object we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything that we had on time, have today or are looking to develop in the next 10 years. If we in fact have programs that possess this technology and these have oversight from those people that the citizens of this great country elected in office to represent what is best for the United States and best for the citizens I thank you for your time. Thank you very much. His concern was that there was gonna be a collision. And his concern was literally with the pilots that they have some safety and security. Because the government saying this isn't happening

and this is not going on. I mean, it was just a genuine concern. And he's been brought into it because of what he'd seen. What did he see? Can you go through his testimony? Well, so you're asking me to remember too much. I can throw it all together. One of them, they were hovering and they went out to them and then they'd seen them multiple times, then they chased them. And then, well, they both were pretty similar as far as that went down.

I mean, I, you know, I knew their testimony before they gave it. I mean, obviously, because I had, you know, I researched them pretty good, pretty well. And I, all I wanted them to do was just to get up there and just tell what they saw and just, and, and show that they had nothing to gain from it. And maybe give them a little credibility because I'm sure they'd taken some abuse over it. And the TickTack videos, of course, because they're shaped like the candy, was the interesting thing to me is that it didn't show a heat trail.

It went underwater. They followed them, they chased them. I'd say they chased them, they weren't really. They had the capabilities of just smoking them if they needed. I mean, they couldn't keep up with them. They went underwater at one point, and they didn't lose any speed at all. They went underwater. Yeah.

They followed them and they went underwater and they came back out and if you just followed their natural trajectory, big word for me, but if you follow the movement, they went and then they just came back up and just didn't even. Didn't even fail. Did they see them underwater? At one point, and one of the things they could, but they were using, I forget which kind of infrared they were using to follow them. It wasn't infrared because it didn't show a heat signature.

It was, well, I forget the terminology, but it was, you know, I'd watch those videos a hundred times before because every time I'm on TV, they always show them. And, you know, and they keep saying they don't exist. The government says they don't exist and yet they do. And I'm pretty sure one of the people, you we mentioned in the earlier segment, might have had something to do with getting those out to the public. And so, well, I would love to talk to that individual. I work a few.

If you would make that connection, kindly please. I'll try to make that connection, but, you know, again, what I said in my opening statement was, I don't, we're not gonna bring a little green man in here. We're not gonna bring a flying saucer. All we're gonna do is bring people out and have nothing to gain basically to get this stuff out there to the American public.

Because they've been told, so long this isn't happening, it's not real. And these guys are gonna tell you it's happened. And all three of them pretty much did. You know, it just, it was almost surreal really, because I kept, you know, my whole life, and I watched those TV shows, and I just makes me angry that they keep saying

the government has this stuff, or these people, and they won't allow them to speak, and I got in a position where I could put it out there. It was a little, a pretty satisfying for me, just that we pulled it off. And as I, they were talking, a lot of the times they were talking, I was the camera be on them,

I could talk to members both sides of the aisle and encourage them in their questioning of where they were going with this stuff. And so it worked really well for all of us, I think. The whole committee really worked well. Yeah. Let's move into Brian Graves' testimony. Okay.

And what he wanted. So Brian Graves also a naval pilot, first-hand account saw UAP. Do you remember his testimony specifically? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Interesting about his was he saw it, compartmentalized it, never talked about it. I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes for your opening statement. Thank you.

Chairman Grothman, ranking member Garcia, distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, Representative Berchett and Luna. My name is Ryan Phobbs Graves and I am a form F-18 pilot with a decorative service in the US Navy, including two deployments in operation and during freedom and operation and inherent resolve. I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand, and I'm here to voice the concerns

of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me. Today, I would like to highlight three critical issues that demand our action. As we convene here, UAP are in our air space, but they are grossly under-reported. These sightings are not rare or isolated.

They are routine. Military air crew and commercial pilots, trained observers who's lives depend on accurate identification are frequently witnessing these phenomena. The stigma attached to UAP is real and powerful and challenges national security. It silences commercial pilots who fear professional repercussions, discourages witnesses, and is only compounded by recent government claims questioning the credibility of eyewitness testimony. Parts of our government are aware of more about UAP than they let on, but excessive classification

practices keep crucial information hidden. Since 2021, all UAP videos are classified as secret or above. This level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding, but fuels speculation and mistrust. In 2014, I was an F-18 FOXRAP pilot in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers. And I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. After upgrade were made to our Jet's radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assumed they were radar errors, but soon we began to correlate the radar

tract with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, eventually through Visual ID. During a training mission in warning area Whiskey 72, 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, two F-18 super hornets were split by a UAP. The object, described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere, came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter.

The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and returned base. Our squadron submitted a safety port, but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings. Soon, these encounters became so frequent that air crew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs. Recognizing the need for action and answers,

I found it Americans for safe aerospace. The organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who are previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe intake process. When 30 witnesses have come forward, almost 5,000 Americans have joined us in the fight for transparency at safearrowspace.org. The majority of witnesses are commercial pilots at majority of major airlines. Often, they are veterans with decades of flying experience. Pilots are reporting UAPA altitudes that appear above them at 40,000 feet,

potentially in low-earth orbit or in the grey zone below the carbon line, making inexplainable maneuvers like right-hand turns and retrograde orbits or J-hooks. Sometimes, these reports are reoccurring, with numerous recent sightings north of Y and in the north Atlantic. Other veterans are also coming forward to us regarding UAP encounters in our air space and oceans. The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems. I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more will share their experiences once it is safe to do so. In closing, I recognize the skepticism surrounding this topic.

If everyone can see the sensor and video data I witnessed, our national conversation would change. I urge us to put a side stigma and address the security and safety issue of this topic represents. If you appear foreign drones, it is an urgent national security problem. If it is something else, it is an issue for science. In either case, an identified objects are concerned for flight safety. The American people deserve to know what is happening in our skies. It is long overdue.

Thank you. It was leaked. They said it did not exist. Then it came out and they said it's a fake. Then I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but he had his audio. They heard him talking and they figured out who it was and they went to him and said, that's me. No kidding, that's how they found out. I think that's, it was sort of in that line of, in that line from what I understand. It might have got changed around a little bit, but what I understand that's, it was sort of in that line of, in that line from what I understand.

It might get changed around a little bit, but what I understand, that's pretty much it. So he had never intended to actually come out. He was gonna just let this die. Yeah, I mean, it was just, it was part of his duty, and he did his duty and went on about his business. Rest of it, I mean, that happened years ago. He had, he's not, I don't believe he's even in the force anymore.

And he, but you know, they talked about how they were hovering and how they would, they took off and at the speedy to, it was just, we did the math and it was just, it would turn you and me into a blob. Yeah, I believe that was one of the questions was, could a human body even withstand it? With his wife and his jeez, the jeez. But it wasn't a gradual increase either.

It was just, it was gone. And he, the very compelling again, why would he come back to endure any criticism over this thing when he just, he just doing his booty? And those are the guys though, they get interrogated and after it's over with and they get a blemish on their record. And I just, I wish that we,

and that's two if we were to come out and just admit that this thing's going on as we covered it up and here's some proof we've got of it. They'd be clear. They'd be clear. Yeah, I think it was Ryan that was, his thing was blowback on pilots for coming out correct. Yeah.

How much how many of these pilots are getting? I mean, it sounds like this really affects these guys career if they come out and say, you know, it really does or something. I think it really does. They I heard one of them say one time that they came back and everybody was, you know, they'd gotten some aluminum foil and made like a flying saucer. And when he landed on the aircraft carrier, they were, you know, and they were, you know, guys were walking around with antennas on their heads and stuff, you know, just making

fun of him. They all, and they were just making fun of him. And but at some point, you know, you're like, what the heck? This is going on. This is real. I saw what I saw. And these people don't believe it for whatever reason. Do you remember both of them talking about the propulsion systems and how there was no sound, no, yeah, no, and I don't know if they said, but I've been briefed or talked about before the Heat signature is what they called it. It just didn't show it. It just it just defies everything we know that we we know currently and I'm just

The amount of power that it took was just beyond belief. Let's move into David Grouch. His testimony, I mean, it just had... There was so many different aspects of the things that he had been involved in. It was kind of ironic that if I remember correctly, he never actually saw anything with his own two eyes. It was all things that had happened on the program that he was a part of. Second hand, yeah. You know, what's told about and that he debriefed people on, I believe, and along that line, yeah. But to me, personally, it was the most...

I can't really say in depth because it was so vague. I got to tell you about this and a skiff. I got to tell you about that and a skiff. I can't answer this question unless it's an a skiff. But I guess I'll just say this. It was the one that caught my intention the most. Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

This is an important issue and I'm grateful for your time. My name is David Charles Grush. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years. In both in the US Air Force, both active duty Air National Guard and Reserve at the rank of major and most recently from 2021 to 2025, or excuse Guard, and Reserve at the rank of major and most recently from 2021 to 2025.

Or just be 2023. At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, NGA, at the GS15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full bird kernel. I was my agency's co-lead and unidentified anomalous phenomena and transmedium object analysis, as well as reporting to the UAP task force, UAPTF, and eventually once it was established, the all-domain anomaly resolution office arrow. I became a whistleblower through a PPD-19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general.

Following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individuals that the US government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs. My testimony is based on information I've been given by individuals with a long standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country. Many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony to myself and many, my various colleagues. I have taken every step I can to collaborate this evidence over a period of four years

while I was with the UAP task force and do my due diligence on the individual sharing it. This is because of these steps, I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this information before you. I am driven by a commitment to truth and transparency, rooted in our inherent duty to uphold the United States Constitution and protect the American people. I am asking Congress to hold our government to this standard and thoroughly investigate these claims. But as I stand here under oath now, I am speaking to the facts as I have been told

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And I said, if you discredit him, if everything comes out, say, he's alive, we still got these two pilots. And I just think that I know Grush, knowing for some time, we talk, we text frequently or whatever. And he's very interesting guy. He's put into a tough situation.

And again, why would you come out with all that? Cause you know he's gonna get humiliated publicly. Yeah. Could you go through some of the stuff that he disclosed? Yeah. Bodies, there are bodies, there are craft, there are, and that went along with my line of questioning. You know, they're my questions.

We're kind of leading because I knew the answer, but I wanted them to say it that they, you know, we know this stuff's out there. Somebody has it and how they keep it from us. Because the next thing would be, well why didn't somebody come out with it then? Why don't, because the people that have it, that are looking at it probably right now,

don't know what the Hector looking at. Mm-hmm. And he was talking about reverse engineering crafts. That's right. So where was he, where is he saying these crafts came from? Where did we recover them? Where was he saying these crafts came from? Where did we recover them? Some are archaeological from what,

now I could be putting conversations that I've had versus the committee, because you gotta realize I've been, yeah, you don't know. I've been in so much of these meetings and people call me and then I get information and talk to these guys or text them or whatever. But some of them are archaeological and digs that people have found, some of them are craft

that have crashed recently that have just been covered up. But there's kind of a cut off, I think, because of the technology. And that leads me back to that electro-whatever radio that we think may be cause them some difficulty, and it calls some of these crashes. And then our technology has moved past that now. So you're probably not seeing those type of crafts, those crashes happening if they are happening at all, because we've moved past the technology that we were using in the 40s and 50s and 60s and maybe in the 70s, but it's not transistors anymore, obviously. So it was previous technology that was causing these things to crash?

I think what technology? It was a radio technology technology some kind of radio technology we were using and maybe in some of our radars and things like that that we no longer use and I apologize I can't even remember the name of it I should have read up on it again but it was um I was told that by somebody pretty informed that that thought that that was probably the reason that all of a sudden that it started and then all of a sudden It sort of stopped because after we quit using that kind of technology It quit because apparently would not and I don't know if shorten it out is the right thing because I don't know what they're using

Yeah, but apparently is what it did was it would um It would lock them up kind of Maybe offline did he ever talk about how long it may have taken to reverse engineer some of these crafts? Offline, like me and you talk offline, or offline, I talk offline with them. Offline with them. Oh, yeah. I said a lot of it, we're not,

we're still not even in the ballpark, we're hardly scratching the surface. Again, it goes back to my, taking my Harley Davison back to the people on the Mayflower. Yeah. Kind of thing, and we're the people on the Mayflower. Yeah. Because this technology is so advanced, so far past us that we don't even, it's just hard for us to comprehend.

How about, he had also talked about recovering non-human biologics? Yeah, bodies, and of course, if the craft got here, somebody had to fly them at some point. How do they do that, I don't know. If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? As I've stated publicly already in my news nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries.

Yeah. I guess human or non-human biologics? Non-human and that was the assessment of people which wreck knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. And was this documentary or evidence as video photos eyewitness? Like how would that be determined?

The specific documentation I would have to talk to you and ask if about. I mean, not necessarily. We're doing drones. Yeah, we're doing drones. Like, that's correct. That's correct. And maybe that's why some of them do some of them don't.

But I would think at some point, we would, some kind of, you know, you look at the hieroglyphics and things. And some people have mentioned that there is, you know, that there would, well, I know one of them told me that I referred to earlier, told me that there was like a, they wouldn't call it poor tolls, but it was obviously something of viewing type situation where they could see out the time in the Navy. And they, in the craft slowed down over them that they could see when it was, before it got to them, or when it was pulling out or whatever, they could see that it was, there

was obviously some kind of viewing apparatus in it. So, but yeah, I don't know. I don't get to hung up on all that. I just, like I said, my thing is, is that they continue to hide this. They've, how can we trust the government that said they didn't exist? And then all of a sudden they say they do exist.

And we're supposed to fund them to study it. I just think it's, you know, trickle stuff out and keep that hook out there and we'll just keep biting it. Yeah. Because that's human nature, you know, and it's gonna, but they know they gotta. I mean, one is the first time that you've heard that we've recovered non-human biologics.

Well, it obviously wasn't in the hearing. Yeah. I don't know a couple of years ago. What was your reaction? Not surprised. I mean, I'm not surprised to anything anymore, man. I just, every time this, I just go back to my statement about every night,

I go, well tonight, I'll go out and to my statement about every night I go out on a wheel tonight, I'll go out and look at those stars every night. The light from that left for the time of Christ. I mean, that's incredible. Over 2,000 years ago, dude, that light left that. And some of these stars we're seeing have imploded. They're already gone. They're already gone.

And we're seeing the light from just now. We're looking back in time. Right, right. It's too much to me. I can't really hear my little West Knoxville mind is too much for me to comprehend. Yeah, and that's why I don't get too caught up in all of it I don't really pick the sides on this thing. Yeah, and I and when I, and it's hard for me to recall specifics, a lot of the specifics in it, because honestly I was so tired and so worn out when that committee finally rolled around because we were so, we were just every row block.

We were just, it was just weary almost and they just wore us down. And that was part of the intention. I think they thought we'd throw in the tile But we didn't and it just got bigger and bigger and by the end of that I was I was running on fumes pretty much It when the committee rolled around I was just glad everybody got their questions asked and we got it documented What was the most compelling portion of all through these testimonies for you personally? God shut out the most. I don't know because honestly I've just, I've talked about it and I've talked to people so much. I think, I think the best part about was just what I said in the final, final part of it.

I just said, Mr. Chairman, I couldn't say something. I said, yeah, sure. I said, you know, I hope this allows you folks that have, you know, took ridicule your whole life over this thing to finally say, yes, somebody else believes what you're saying and that you don't, you know, you're not some pariah or something, you know, you're not crazy. Yeah. That you've seen something and we're going to try to get to the bottom of it.

I don't know if I will or not. I think, you know, they're going to keep throwing up roadblocks and giving me one more committee. You know, amazing. We got to take time in government to make government bring out stuff that they have. Yeah. And they won't, they still won't do it.

Yeah, it is very frustrating. And I said, you know, America's-third pieces and 30 minutes or less, and that's about our dad's attention span. And I'm 100% guilty of that. Yeah, they run out the clock on this thing, though. You know, there'll be another shiny object over here, we'll be chasing and move on to something else they think. I'm gonna keep pushing at it.

I don't know how much longer I can keep Congress involved in it. Yeah. Well, I think we're saying that in just about every issue that gets brought up, because we're just taking the can down the road. And it goes away. It's a great deal for them, because people in the swamp, because they know they can just move on to the next one. Yeah. It does work. I mean, so with the Afghan withdrawal recently, somebody's talking about that anymore. We saw with all kinds of stuff that's happening.

Nobody's talking about the cocaine at the White House. Nobody's talking about all these other things. You know, they're still, every day I'm getting a call on UFOs. Yeah, nobody's talking about the Epstein stuff. Who? You know, yeah, absolutely. And that's the biggest cover up. I mean, you know, that, you know, and they spend a whole lot of time trashing, you know, the movie about, I'm about to, you know, the, about the kids being abducted and stuff. And all I doesn't exist, it doesn't happen. you know, about the kids being abducted and stuff. And now I doesn't exist, it doesn't happen. You know, every day there's a,

somebody's breaking a new ring. Well, I don't care if it's, you know, coming from on higher, some trailer parks somewhere, you know. And they're definitely hiding something. They pulled my interview with Jim Kavisel down. I just woke up one morning, it was gone. I do not doubt that. I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital,

and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, and I was going to be in the hospital, blowback from coming out and then almost right after that they leaked that

Gruj had PTSD medical information in his record to try to discredit him. Now as I was told straight from the intelligence community they held on to that and they leaked it to this. I mean it wasn't even a mainline reporter. I don't think anybody else would touch it. Yeah, you know. I mean, it wasn't even a mainline reporter. I don't think anybody else would touch it. Yeah. You know, I mean, he got the scoop and that's what reporters do. But it was, you know, they were holding onto that one. Yeah. Well, what happened after that, after that hearing?

A lot of what Grouch had to say, or Grouch had to say, was, I want to talk to you in a skiff. I want to, did you guys ever get the skiff? Did you ever get the- Never did? You never got the skiff. What's holding that up? Well, I suspect somebody's got somebody's ear and leadership and the, again, the intelligence committee

slash community, they didn't like what we did, they didn't like us. Is that the committee on in Congress or at the Senate? Well, there's one in both, but the intelligence committee in the house didn't want it. And you know, there's all these rivalries, and it's just, it just happens. I mean, it's just human nature, dude.

I don't, you know, they're all my friends. But, you know, we touched a nerve. We really did. And I feel like some people, you know, I said this stuff doesn't exist, and they made fun of it. And then leading all three stations. I mean, you know, ABCM and CC CBS, CNN, Fox, you name it.

Newsmax, OEN, I mean, they just pounded it. And it's the ratings have gone through the roof. And I knew that it, that somebody was reading the polling data when Fox started calling. Because it just was, it was just everywhere. Yeah. And, you know, I'd go to a high school football game or something and I'd tell anybody I wouldn't talk about.

Church parking lot. All they wouldn't talk about. Church parking lot. All they wouldn't talk about. It was, and I guess looking back at it almost surreal really, because it was pure man. It was pretty cool. Do you think a lot of these people that have commented to you under the table on good job. Thanks for covering this. You think they saw the notoriety? You think they saw some of them do news and they just want to more press that's why they want to bump me.

They want it. That's why we're not probably part of the reason we're not getting a select committee. You know, I just, that's just part of the game. Do you talk to the Senate committee at all? Oddly enough, all those UFO people in the Senate that talk UFOs,

a couple of them I'm trying to have meetings with and they've canceled the meetings. Really? Yeah, before all this even happened. And oh yeah, we'll meet with you. Interesting. And they cancel it. And I don't, they never reschedule. I've been trying like hell to get with you. Interesting. And they cancel it. And I don't they never reschedule. I've been trying like hell to get Marco Rubio in here to talk about it. Asking why you canceled the mating with me. I will. I will. I will. If I get them in here,

I'll ask them that. But um, I'd probably say who? Yeah. But where do you, I, the staffers, they got too much control. Yeah. They're running the show. Yeah. What's coming next in Congress? With this issue. Yeah, with this. Yeah. I will have another committee. And what I'd like to bring in is some department people. I want to discuss too much about it because they'll end run me again. But we've got some pretty informed people that want to come in and talk about what's going on in their departments

or what went on when they were there. And maybe hopefully issue some subpoenas, you get some real information. This, putting in the skiff, it's just, it's too edgy, you gotta ask to be leaked. You know, out about the press, and then, then you can talk about it allegedly, I don't know, it's just ridiculous.

And that's just, do what? Too much right to. Well, that's that way on purpose. Keeps the powerful in power, and they're the ones who make the rules. And how do you get to that much power? You know, you gotta be there for a while, you gotta sell your soul.

Yeah. Do you know when the next hearing is gonna be? Not yet. We'd like to have it pretty soon now. I'd like to have it for the end of the year. Really? Yeah. I'd love to get out there for it.

When I get a date, we'll get it to you. All right. It'll be like first on my call list as far as you know. Thank you. Thank you. You'll be sitting there with a bunch of people and go, yeah, Tim Berkson said he's gonna call me first.

He called me first. I'll jockey for my seed right behind the table. Yeah, but we'll get that worked out. All right, one more subject before we wrap this up, zero point energy. Right. All right, one more subject before we wrap this up, zero point energy. Right. I love talking about this subject. What's your opinion on it?

I think it's reality. I just don't think we've got it. We got that genie in the bottle just yet. Or if we do, they're not putting it out because it would put them all out of business. You know, we wouldn't have these wars. Imagine all that energy we spend on energy. I mean, not like energy is, you know, nuclear or anything like that.

All that energy brain width, we spend on all this stuff and all these wars, all these people that die, we wouldn't need it. We wouldn't need it. Imagine this world just united behind something. I don't think they ever will. But if they limited what we would be fighting for. We'll be backtrack just real quick for the audience. So zero point energy is basically technology

that enables energy to be free. That means no more utilities, no more fossil fuels, no more any of that stuff. Everything is just powered by energy that is free. And supposedly Nicola Tesla figured this out a long time ago. And look what happened to him. Yep, the conference gated all of his research. Died alone in a motel broken.

Guy that invented the hydrocar mysteriously dead. Yeah, in a knife fight, like it was farmed. Yeah, you know, all about it. So you think zero point, you think zero point energies might be real. Yeah, I mean, you look at, you know, these just say, well, they can't make fake diamonds. Well, they're making fake diamonds.

And everybody that does it gets bought out. I mean, I've seen, seen well-sourced media programs on these fake diamonds, you know, that gonna put the beers out of business and all this other stuff. And we're finding out these so-called rare earth minerals. Well, guess what? They're not that rare. No. They're around and we've just created all these bogus environmental rules to keep us from getting them.

Or, and then certain areas are allowed to get them. A lot of the people said that that was the biggest marketing skim ever. What's that? The diamond. Oh, the diamond, Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Because they lay a lot certain amount to go out through their brokers, through their markets, through their marketeers. And it's basically, I think the beers is the major controller of them. Yes, it is. So, zero point energy, who do you think holds the technology?

energy, who do you think holds the technology? I don't know, it have to be, we mentioned industrial war complex, these multinational corporations. Do you think it's Lockheed? I think they got some, they have to have input in it. You know, they control it, but yet, you know, they're still developing their jet engines and everything else through the process,

but they, because that, that's, keeps, they keeps their money. Once that, once that zero point comes out, it just, they're all out. Yeah. So, I feel like if they have it, they're holding on to it to keep us from getting it. Interesting. Well, Tim,

I think your brother's been a pleasure. I appreciate the time. It was an honor to have you here. I can't wait for the next hearing and we'll be watching. How can people support you? Well, you follow me on Twitter at Timbarchit. I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to ask for anything campaign related since we're talking stuff. So you can just Google all that if you want. But I appreciate it. I've been very fortunate in life. I never had money.

Mom and daddy never did. Just hardworking people and put themselves through school and fought in the ward and all that. And I've just been, I've had good health and good people around me. And I just knock on doors. When I run for office, I don't know, you're not the big media guy. And I have a buddy of mine calls me every Sunday, usually with bad news. Sort of trades off information, but he told me one week,

he said, you know, you're the, you're probably one of the poor scousing Congress. And I said, well, I appreciate that. Next week he calls me back and goes, yeah, I did some checking. You are the poor scout from Tennessee, from Tennessee in Congress. And I said, well, I really appreciate that. I mean, you know, we get a great salary, but it, it's kind of funny. It's just, uh, it is a very much a rich man's game. And for a system that allows, you know, the Tim merchants, the world to run for office and hold, you know, like I say, every night, every night, I walk out and look at that dome up the Capitol. I think, wow, Charlie and George merchants, baby boys, the United States Congressman. And

mom and Indian electricians, who's senior in high school as I told you. Her brother got killed fighting the Nazis and she flew an airplane there in a second. Well, we're in daddy fought in the Pacific against, I'm Pell Lue and Okinaw and they went to China after the war and fought the communist. Then he worked at university Tennessee for over 40 years. Got a brother and sister and they were both good looking and great athletes. Very smart. I didn't get any of those attributes.

I just got lucky and got in the right place. Married a beautiful woman and got a great daughter out of the deal. And I'm just very fortunate that my wife will say, I said, maybe about this congress thing we were talking about running, and she said, honey, I got this, which meant she got the home fright. So she does a good job too.

So thank you, brother. I appreciate you letting me be on. It's been an honor. Thank you for everything you've done for our country and you're continuing to do. Because, brother, if we don't get the truth out there that folks, it's not going to happen. That's my pleasure. And thank you for being here, and I want to say, you know, I got some friends over there in Congress.

You're one of them. And Ela Cranes, one of them got a couple others, and I just want to say, you know, I never realized how hard it is for you guys to get a real voice. And this was an important, but more of a fun interview. I know there's a lot of other topics and concerns and issues and problems and just all kinds of stuff going on within our government and our country right now. And so I just want to offer it to you. If you ever need a platform, you know, where you need to get some word out because the media isn't covering it. You got home right here. Thank you

brother. I appreciate you. So keep on doing it. Good fight. Thank you. The former Navy SEAL Mike Ritland keeps it real on the Mike Drop podcast. He's the co-CEO of the All Secure Foundation, which assists special operations in active duty combat and that's time-satterly. Nobody helps you shoot your gun. They trained you, had a shoot your weapon, so we're going to train you on the things you've never been trained for, out of come home for more. Everything else that turns people away from it. We try to brand it. Reduce or dismiss the kind of stigma that's associated with you.

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