Shawn Ryan Show - #81 Sarah Adams - Barack Obama Visited Beyonce and Jay-Z During the Benghazi Attacks | Part 2

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

This episode is a follow up to our investigation into the Benghazi attacks with Mark Geist. Sarah Adams is a former CIA Targeter with a wealth of experience leading intelligence initiatives during the Global War on Terror. In part two, Adams exposes what was happening Stateside during the Benghazi attacks while U.S. Service Members were fighting for their lives. Shawn and Sarah discuss what measures could have been taken that night to provide support to the CIA Annex team on the ground. This episode brings the United States' strategy full circle with an often overlooked part of the puzzle–the intelligence that informs the strikes. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://1stphorm.com/srs https://gcu.edu/military https://shopify.com/shawn Sarah Adams Links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahadams IG - https://www.instagram.com/askarimediagroup Website - https://askarimediagroup.com Book - https://www.amazon.com/Benghazi-Know-Enemy-Sarah-Adams/dp/B0BHMV2Q8S Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Al Qaeda and all these international terrorists. You think they're going to start coming up through our southern borders? Well, they've already started. Do you know that for a fact? Yes. How do you know that? I was told several different times about group pockets of terrorists that procured passports from the Afghan government with the sole purpose of coming to our southern border. to our southern border. The chaotic and deadly US evacuation from Afghanistan stunned Americans and the world

and cost the lives of 13 US soldiers. Now a damning new report blames the Biden administration. Well, there's two different things. Those guys were ignoring, and guys we thought that were dead that aren't. There's two, both those are enough, Yamastan. You that we're dead that aren't. So both those are Afghanistan. You think we're gonna be back there some day? We have to be. The main AQAP target is named Ibrahim Albana.

Guess where he is. Afghanistan. Afghanistan being completely ignored. And guess who he hangs out with? Homs of Bin Laden. Sources tell CBS News Osama Bin Laden's favorite son has been killed in a military operation. Homs of Bin Laden, the son of the former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, has been killed. Letters captured in the 2011 raid indicated Ben Lotton was grooming

Hamza to be the next leader. Post-Kaddafi Arab Spring timeline arrived in Libya to no intelligence service was present when it started kicked off captured operations in in 2012, Abu Anas Ali, targeting the mastermind of Kenya in Tanzania, embassy bombings, the Benghazi attacks happened on September 2012. How long were you in Libya? I got there in January of 2012. I left for a few months in the summer to vacation. I went to like the

London Olympics and then I went to like Egypt and stuff. And then I came back and I went to Benghazi in August. And then I left Libya in the end of November 2012. Okay. So you were in country when I went down? Well, the day of the attack, I was in Benghazi, and I flew to London for a meeting. So I went for a meeting, missed the entirety of an attack, came back, and then went to Tripoli, and so I wasn't a Benghazi, and then I stayed a couple more months. Oh, man, so you just missed it.

Yeah, and the funny thing is, is Congress actually asked me a staffer at Congress if I found out about the attack and left. Really? I was like, what kind of question is that? Maybe you do that stuff here, but like we were all family. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is what I really want to talk about.

Some of the, I don't know what you would call it if it's corruption or or just incompetence that happened, you know During the attacks and the cover-up stuff I wanted to talk about it with Mark. It's it's It's tough. You know to talk about that stuff with somebody that was there That experience that amount of trauma. So I thought you would be the best thing to bring in. And so could you kind of walk us through some of the stuff that could have really helped the guys on the ground there that we didn't utilize and

some of the stuff that happened after Benghazi? Sure. Maybe I should talk about the size of the attack first. Okay. Because it's really easy for someone who doesn't toe to gun to say, oh, these things could have helped the guys. But when you talk about the number of attackers, people really need to understand what they were up against. Okay.

So the attack was directed by the head of al-Qaeda, Dr. Ayman Alzawa here. He basically handed off to his North Africa group, right? So AQIM, so what we'll go by. And the purpose of it was to capture Ambassador Stevens, and they wanted to use him for prison swaps to get other terrorists out. It was going to be an honor of a couple Libyans that we killed in drone stripes in Pakistan. Zawahiri's last two deputies, the most recent was Abu Yakhia al-Libbi. His last two deputies died in drone strikes within a year in Pakistan.

So when the second drone strike happened, it was June 2011. And that's when he's like enough's enough, we're going to take it to the Americans in Libya. And that's what he chose to do. It was actually a kidnapping operation of the ambassador because in 2011, a ton of terrorists got released. And so by 2012, they're like, hey, it was kind of almost like this momentum going. And they're like, hey, let's keep trying to get out who we can get out and save more people. Even Al Qaeda had just also in Benghazi. And this has never talked about, which is strange. Like within just maybe three weeks before the attacks, they kidnapped the only Kudz Force officers in Benghazi as well. And they're asking for five al-Qaeda in Iraq, detainees

who were held in Iraq. So five al-Qaeda members in Iraq. So it just happened weeks before. So now they're doing the same thing, but they're capturing the US ambassador because one of the interesting things is one of the names they wanted to put on the plate for the cuts forest, he didn't make the cut, right? They weren't good enough. So one of the people they wanted for Ambassador Stevens, his name is Adele-Aul-Shalayli, and he was a Libyan on death row in Iraq. And he was a very close friend of Oblumus Abba Al-Zarqawi. He actually, after his death, he went back to Iraq and he was a terrorist, gonna carry out the post-death attack in honor of Zarqawi.

And he got caught in that way, he was in jail. So he was pretty upsetting to Al-Qaeda, right? Cause he was the one that was going to do the attack and honor of his death. So that's basically the main Libby and they're going to ask for. They were going to throw in some other names. Who's he's who they wanted?

But they were going to, of course, ask for the blind shake. They were going to ask for Abu Farajal Libby. He's in Gitmo. And then they were thinking about maybe asking for Fiya Sadeiki. I want to say she's in maybe Texas. So anyway, he passed it off to AQIM, AQIM's leader, his name is Drukedal. He gave it to Mbukdo Balmukdo, we're going to call him MBM. His expertise is kidnapping operations.

So he said, you mastermind this, you carry it out. But I'm going to play a heavy, heavy hand because both of them were very close to Zawar here in Zawar here. He said, this is super important to me. So Zawar here, he asked them, he reached out to AQAP and said, hey, you guys help fund this. He also AQAP, O'Neill, issued the Fatoa that made it legal to even do the Benghazi attack. And then Zawahiri reached back to a bunch of people in Egypt. Hey, you need to support this. One had just got released from prison with Zawahiri's brother, and he at the time was negotiating

to set up al-Qaeda in Egypt. Zawahiri is like, yeah, great. Benghazi is your first operation. So all these Zaw-Hiri people come together to do this operation and they plan it. And the commander on the ground that leads the attack is Omar Al-Shalali, Adele's brother. So that's the attack commander.

And he's AQI-M's head for Libya in 2012. So that's kind of who's now planning it, right? They brought in 150 terrorists just for the ambassadors kidnapping. So half of them went on the compound and half of them cordoned off the street. So 150 terrorists, I mean, I don't even know if I can name any terrorists attack

with actually 150 terrorists. And at least in our book, at least 50 of them are al-Qaeda al-Qaeda, and then the others al-Qaeda fail affiliates. So I'm not sure I can name an attack with 50 al-Qaeda terrorists at the attack. So you need to understand this attack is massive. And these are well-trained guys.

This isn't, these aren't... Yes. Bottom of the barrel, minions. This isn't, these aren't, yes, bottom of the barrel, minions, these are, we very painstakingly made that clear. We walked through their entire history. So if they fought in the Afghanistan, Mujah, Hadeem time, they're in there as that. If they fought in Iraq, in our Iraq wars, which started on 2003, 2004, they were in that in between those two, though, that a lot of people forget as the Algerian Civil War, you know, 200,000 civilians were killed on that war.

I had no idea. It was an insane, jihad thing. And I always get ignored, but so we had people fighting that war. And that's where NBA, NBM, was in Afghanistan fighting, and then the Algerian Civil War kicked off and he jumped ship and went there and that's kind of where he got most of his bona fide is they weren't actually in Pakistan when a lot of people think.

And then the Libyan revolution and then after Benghazi attacks they went to Syria as you can imagine. So well trained terrorists, pretty much every senior leader, Zawaii Hewri reached out to, either him or Bin Laden or Zakawi had a long time established relationship with him. There's not even one person that Zawaii Hewri chose that had no experience. Actually really the only senior leader at the attacks that had no experience is crazy. So, NBM, like, took over this random village, I want to say it was like an Algeria, and he recruited a businessman to be like a terrorist during his takeover of the city, and the guy spoke fluent English. And so, he said, I want you to be the commander of my attack, of my cell of AQM, AQM had multiple cells.

I don't want to get complicate with that because you speak English and I want you to talk to the ambassador and they also recruited two Canadians to the attack. So three people were supposed to be the English speakers to kind of do the shifts to take care of the ambassador when they brought him in. Interesting.

Yeah. So anyway, so that's kind of who they're going up against. Resources brought to bear. I mean, let's just first talk about the first two deaths, right? So that's the ambassador in Sean Smith. But the only kind of resource to bring that to bear is if CIA would have left the compound sooner. And I don't know if you actually know why they didn't leave till 10 or 5.

Why? Because Bob lied to them and told them 17 February was responding when he knew they weren't. Even Mark still thinks 17 February, he ran into him during that night, that actually never happened. They thought they were running into 17 February because Bob lied to them and said they're responding,

but they never did. On Bob's first phone calls of the head of 17 February, his name was Fawzi Buketief. He said, I don't have any help to send you. I'm not sending you any help tonight. Bob is... This chief of base for Benghazi. That means Bob is the head agency staffer. In the city.

In the city. In the city of Benghazi. Yes. So he... Oh, he... Staff or in the charge of Benghazi. Yes, so he So obviously CIA has a QRF right geras. That's how normal places work Viewed he did not believe in our QRF or believe we had a QRF or believe they should be used as a QRF in a weird way And he only viewed 17 February as his QRF. So there's already kind of a disconnect from how CIA operates in Benghazi, just solely because of Bob.

So Bob only wanted 17 February to respond. He never wanted his people to respond. So he called 17 February and 17 February who sent maybe 25 terrorists to the attacks, they're involved. We don't know they're involved, right? He says, I'm not sending anyone. He's not going to send people to go attack his own people. Bob then is kind of like taking a back because he doesn't want

to send his people. And then the one guy he counted on just said, I'm not sending people. So he lies to his team and says, hey, we're waiting on 17 feb to respond. He spent some time begging them, but he knows they're not responding. He was told the first phone call to them. So the guys finally leave when the State Department guy says, if you don't come now, we're going to die. That's where they left. So it was nothing.

They just said screw it and they just abandoned the COB. But he could have held them there all night because he could have kept lying that 17 fab was doing a response. 17 fed never responded with even one body, so the Benghazi attacks. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Were there any repercussions for this guy, Bob?

No. They gave him the most senior award in the CIA, and then this was supposed to be his last trip and he was supposed to retire and because he got all these accolades, they let him go back to the farm. He spent his... So he started in the CIA as like a medic. How does this guy live with himself? I know. He started in the CIA as a medic. A lot of people think he has this long, storied career as a case officer. He started as a medic. And then he got rotated into being a case officer and spent his entire career at the farm.

The only other war zone he was in, he went to a war zone in eastern Afghanistan. And he got his like asset killed and then tried to do a money pay cover up and got in trouble for him, got sent home. And Benghazi was only a second war zone. So these people that say he's got this long history of serving, he was a trainer at the farm. And so after they let him go back and be a trainer at the farm. Last I heard he was a trainer.

Well, you know the old saying, got moved up. So yes. What a joke. So no repercussions for Bob who lied and basically got people killed. Because if we look at the timeline, the fire was started, so the tax starts at 942,

and CIA got the call immediately. If you watch the cameras, I have it actually in the book. I think it's 948, they're sitting in the cars, okay? And then now just waiting to go. The fire starts about 10 p.m. on the ambassador's villa. A lot of people confuse this, even the FBI. There was a fire started at the guard shack right inside of the consulate right away. But they then go and try to get to the ambassador because they know where he is. They can't get in. They don't start that fire at about

10. And then GRS leaves at 10.45. But GRS are sitting in the car to leave at 10.48 and it's a two minute trip. They took two to three minutes when they find the left at 10.45. They were already there. So mathematically, if they were the left when they were ready, the terrorists wouldn't even start the fire. They wouldn't even have to put out a fire. Like it was before the fire started. So that's what could have been done for the first two lives, but I think it's the only thing that could have been done for the first two lives. Unless, to be honest, that had a 17th February, and then the head of Rafaola Alsahati, who was the ACU's commander for Benghazi, and then another senior leader, those three within

two days, a few days before all this happened, basically told us, we're not helping you with security anymore. I mean, they basically said something's happening. And honestly, at that time, this should have canceled the ambassador's trip. If it's the three most powerful militias in town, say, hey, we're not going to help you anymore. And even 17 Feb said, oh, yes, you're paying us to protect the consulate, but we're not going to protect you and move us anymore. That's why like, boom and roan in them. They were supposed to be home by then.

They extended to do security for the ambassador while he was in town, because 17 February said they were going to stop. So they knew these things days before. They should have canceled a trip, because it's like, well, this is where the biggest militias don't want to do security anymore. So that's what should have happened. Nobody pieced it together. Yeah, no one pie- yeah, which is crazy.

So anyway, for the first two, G.R.I. should have just been able to leave on time when they were ready. The other ones, there's a mix of resources. There's a mix of resources. I'm not really sold on, you know, the military moves slow. The SIF was on a training mission. They didn't even think of sending fighter jets. I honestly think they were just going to drop the ball anyway. I don't want to be rude.

I think really where you could have affected something is French Special Forces. They were based in Libya. The Qataris had 50 Special Forces based in Tripoli. So we had the French had obviously fighter jets within the region. Where was the Sif were in Italy, correct? No, no, the Sif were in, was it Croatia? They were in Italy, correct? No, no.

The Sift were in, was it Croatia? They were in Croatia on a training mission, though. And remember, they didn't have their airplane with them. So when they finally were told to deploy the airplane, I kid you not, flew to them. Then they took 12 hours of crew rest. They loaded the plane. Then they flew to Italy.

So that's what I'm saying. We can't even say the Siph is going to get there. I mean, even if they overroute the crew, crew, crew, like, they just still didn't have their own plane with them. You know, so that's what I said. I just don't see. The duty was not positioned to respond. And it's sad.

They shouldn't be supposed to be. It's not a lie. I thought the day I have a good friend, Mike Glover, who I think was in that siph. Well, Mike Glover, I thought Mike did the thing after it. Hey everybody, I wanna talk to you about two products from first form. One is Optigreans 50, the other's Opta Reds 50.

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No, but yeah, so the six, no, because this was pre, so I worked with Mike and GRS. Mike was, I believe, was still in the army at this point in the sift. Yeah. There was only one stiff at the time, remember, because there were supposed to be a U-com and Africa and the Africa wasn't set up yet. So the only one that existed was the U-com stiff and it covered both U-com and Africa. And that one was on a training mission in Croatia

and then the only other thing that deployed is obviously the team from North Carolina and they flew also to Italy. And honestly, they both arrived on the same time within like two hours of each other Okay For Croatia one and the North Carolina one I'm not sure which one he was with So he might have been the North Carolina one

That's a very good possibility But even with them think about it Their plan was all them was planned was go to Italy I mean it's going on a real time in Libya I mean I'd be pissed if I was them if I would land them in Italy I'm like why am I not landing in Libya? Oh, they were pissed. And the other thing is, you know,

they never planned to send any resources to Benghazi. Even the fast teams, they were only deployed at Tripley because around one in the morning, well, first off, the CIA was not sending accurate information once they got there, how the attacks were ongoing. And that's a huge failure. They weren't really sharing it. So in the State Department, the State Guy every minute, this was happening, this was happening,

this was happening, and it's really well shared. They all move over the CIA compound, attack start, and no one in the CIA is sharing, hey, we just got attacked, we got attacked. Like they're downplaying it, even the GRS team lead for Benghazi call it pop shots. He call it pop shots, the attack, the first attack on this game. Well, we won over this with Mara. So they weren't sharing it.

So as you can imagine, if they're not sharing it, guess what happens. A threat goes out on Facebook against the Tripoli Embassy. Not even from a verified page, nothing the US is really tracking, and all DOD attention, state department attention shifts too triply. All resources trip to triple A. So if you actually go read the order that came out at five in the morning, by the way, they didn't put anything in motion till five in the morning. Remember the last attack is five, 17. That's why I said the DOD ain't your heroes on this one.

Nothing deploys to Benghazi. It's only to triply because I got focused on the Facebook threat. They say no after the fact that they say no, we actually thought it was a hostage situation and we had more time, but that's not what happened in real time. But the DOD you go ask them now, they say no, we thought it was a hostage situation and we had more time, but that's not what happened in real time. But the DOD, you go ask them now, they say,

no, we thought it was a hostage situation. We thought we might have multiple days to deal with the scenario and trying to work through it. Well, that's BS. Regardless, they weren't positioned to respond. They showed it and they obviously weren't hell accountable. What was the, what was the, what was the narrative about this was,

there was some kind of a cartoon that was made. Yeah, well that was, so Jake Sullivan came up with this bright idea. If you know him, he's our national security director and he's the one working all these beautiful Iran deals. He came up with the fact that we should blame this video. So it's just a little bit of background. There was a video came out like spring of 2011 and then I think maybe in August like

a translated version of it came out. In August, there was a plan protest in Egypt. It wasn't to do with the video, but they ended up moving it to September 11th. And so when they did move it, this video came out in the middle and they said, hey, when we do the protest, we're going to also talk about this video. What a lot of people don't know, though, the people who set up the protest were involved in Benghazi. So there was Zawahiri's brother, a really famous commander named Merjan Salim. I don't know if you remember the old days in Afghanistan

when they took down the big bombian statues, he was standing there overseeing that. Okay. All connected, right? They're the ones hosting this protest in Egypt. They know there's a planned attack in Benghazi when they're hosting it. So anyway, so part of their big protest

that had nothing to do with that video, either the video kind of got wrapped in because it was around the same time. So even that protest was nothing to do with the video. It was supposed to be like three weeks before. So Jake Sullivan decides to use this video as a fake narrative and they run with it. The problem is, is it worked.

So what happened is they run with it, it became news, it actually ended up making the video go viral. The video went viral, I think September 13th, which nobody even pays attention to. It's like, guys, the video didn't go viral until two days after the attack, only because of the policy makers. Then even Libby and policy makers started repeating it.

And then the intelligence community got really sloppy. Like one of the most famous things we bring it up in the Benghazi committee report is, you know, when you're in the government, the best intel usually is sickened, right? Like, you know, like TSSCI, whatever. What the NSA did is they wrote a report on the Benghazi attacks and they wrote a comment on the tophazi attacks and they wrote a comment on the top that they cut and pasted from the press. On the kid you nod it said, at 5 p.m. they were protesting Benghazi. They cut this from the press. First off, there was nothing at 5 p.m. in Benghazi. The 5 p.m. was Cairo. So they didn't have that right.

An analyst started taking that comment, marking as top secret, SCI. And then obviously when policy people are reading it, like, oh, that's a top secret evidence that there was a protest. So that piece was crappy intelligence. Hopefully, like hopefully it wasn't more sinister. But yeah, so all that was completely made up. And then I could told you, when we went and told them,

hey, we have evidence there was no protest, they didn't change it. So by then, everybody was marching along with what the administration wanted, and they didn't want to push back on Jake Sullivan and Ben Rhodes and crew. A lot of people blame Hillary Clinton. Right. Why is that? For the protest narrative? For a lot of the, yeah, I mean, for the protest narrative, she helped push it, right? I mean, she knew in real time, it was terrorists. We all know that she sent a daughter of, you know, email to her daughter, saying it was al-Qaeda like pro-touch.

I mean, it seemed like she was apologizing for that video after... Oh, yeah. They all... They've been gossy attacks. All of these. Instead of standing up for our men and women over there, she's over her apologizing about. Exactly. So I'm saying, Jake Sullivan made the video narrative, right? And then they all jumped on board, right?

So Obama did a statement, Hillary Clinton did a statement. Obviously, we all know about Susan Rice's talk show. Susan Rice's was actually written by Ben Rhodes. A lot of it was Ben Rhodes writing their statements. That's kind of the character in there. But yeah, so the main thing she did wrong in that piece was pushing a narrative she knew was fake, because she knew in real time it was a terrorist attack.

But I mean, her issues go so much beyond that. The issue that a lot of people had with Hillary, like if we're gonna say we're September 10th, you know what I mean? Let's be 10th they attacked it happen. The issues people were having with Hillary is a secretary of state she was traveling from country to country and meeting with leaders, right? Like a secretary of state does. But in her case, you had to donate money to her foundation to meet

with her. And in some places, so many people were meeting with her and like the pay for play, some of our military commanders couldn't get time with her. They're a place that she didn't even meet, like some of the CIA that thought she'd meet with her. And so one of the issues with Hillary was a lot of people were really upset that she kind of sold out the office of the section. So she like, hold on, I didn't know this.

Yeah, well that was the, that was the issue a lot of people had at the time with Hillary before they attacked. Like that's what they felt she was doing. So she is the secretary of state. She is running around the world forcing It was like a pay for a lot of leaders to donate money to the Clinton Foundation so that They could get time with the US Secretary of State. Yeah, so that was a complaint in real time about her and that's the complete legal

I know well that's a complaint that's the issue with her server. So a lot of people think that Hillary Clinton's server matters because of the Benghazi attacks. I mean, Hillary doesn't talk to Al Qaeda. What's on the Hillary Clinton server is all the economic and financial dealings she had in Libya, of course, and then all those other things that she traveled around. And so that's the server issue, but a lot of people don't actually understand that and they put the server issue with the Benghazi attacks. But that's what people think is on the server, and they think that she could get tried for

what's on the server, if that makes sense, because that would be the evidence of the activities everyone said she did. And that's what got wiped. That info. It's not really, I mean, there was probably some emails that night about the Benghazi attacks, but that's not why people cared about what was on the server. And that just got wiped? Yeah.

Just gone. I mean, there might have meant people who got into it. But yes, it's not with any sort of agency who can prosecute her. Gotcha. Gotcha. What could she have done? What could the Obama administration have done? Yeah, because I don't think Hillary could have done anything. I mean, Hillary just got in the way that night, right? I mean, as most people know, she made the fast team change four times.

Um, the thing is, as the attacks were going on, um, the, the, the head of the living air force said, send in what you want, do what you want. You have free reign. Like they gave him blanket of authority. So wherever state department that night argued over changing people's clothes or air clanses, none of that was real because they had immediate clearances to fly in anything they wanted. There was no rules on what you're wearing,

what planes you brought in. So all that's just made up. Like they had full flight clearances to come and do whatever they want. They had 100% clearance from the Libyan government to come and save our people. That's kind of the Libyan air force. Any way they want to.

Yeah, his name was like General Hauhossi. He said, do what you need. And this happens a lot in African crisis. As Algeria has done it before, do what you need. Kind of things. So it's not rare that he said that, right? He's like, hey, come in with what you want. So yeah, any of this buddy saying, oh no,

we had to work through those things and discuss those things. That's not true. They had clearances from the beginning. So she just got in the way when all those negotiations with the fast and the uniforms, I don't know what that was. I mean, Obama, as everybody knows, he did tell the Secretary Defense, you know, do use all means to do this.

And then he got on a plane to Vegas to go see Beyonce and Jay Z. It's like, why didn't he not cancel that trip and stay and make sure his orders are followed up on, right? Like that's one thing that wasn't done that surprises me that nobody ever complains about. So Obama, this is while the attacks happening. Yeah, he flew to Vegas while the attacks are happening. So we have a depart, we have an embassy in a CIA annex under attack and the president of the United States is flying to Vegas to meet with Beyonce. Yep. You hear that everybody? So the problem's way bigger than Hillary. I don't like to focus on Hillary

because she's like the scapegoe and she's done a million things wrong but God, there's so many other people. Jake Sullivan is in a super senior role in our government who had a way bigger role than Hillary. And people just ignore it. And like I said, they don't care that Obama went to Vegas. It just blows my mind.

And then the fact that the Department of Defense can't respond, they weren't even close to responding that night. Like, peer failure. And yeah, all that stuff got pushed. You just say it's Hillary and everyone's like, yeah. And then nobody else had to be held accountable. Let's uh, let's say a quick break.

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Thank you for listening to the Sean Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to iTunes and leave the Sean Ryan show review. We read every review that comes through and we really appreciate the support. Thank you. Let's get back to the show. All right, Sarah. We're back from the break. So I want to talk a little bit about the committee that you got recruited on. So in 2015, you got recruited from the CIA by Trey Gowdy to be an executive appointment on the select committee on Benghazi. How did that come about? Like most things, I think some of the guys from Benghazi gave tray my phone number and he called me So we just had initial discussions He was just asking basics Kind of like how things worked in Benghazi the different terrorists

You know, it's just kind of atmospheric because that he didn't know her understand and then He liked what I had to say and he he said, how about you join my committee? And I said, hell no. I was confused though, I didn't pay much attention to Congress like most humans. And there had just been a Benghazi report that came out from another committee that was run by Mike Rogers, and it was horrible.

I actually had read it and commented all over it. And so I thought it was his. And so it was funny. So I said hell no. And then I told Boone, he's like, you said it to a congressman, a super rude. And I said, they wrote that crappy report. He's like, I think that was someone else.

I was like, my bad. So so Boone's like, well, if he comes around, like, you know, maybe you have a discussion at least see what they're working on. See if they're doing anything you're interested in. You should at least sit down. I said, if it comes around again. And then the funny thing is, I was considering proposing

to the CIA to let me go work on like a red team in Afghanistan because I thought Mula Omar was in Afghanistan at the time. And so I was working on kind of a proposal to like pitch it to see if I go to Afghanistan for a year. And then trade called me back. And he said, well, you come up and just sit with my staff. And I said, fine, I'll come sit with your staff. So I fly up to DC. And I find the office finally, I thought it was in the basement. Apparently it's not. There's multiple basements in the capital. Who knew? And I'm in a conference room with his staff. And the staff director is sleeping during the meeting. And anyway, we get done with it and Traygardy calls me.

And he's like, hey, what did you think? I said, I just don't think this is for me. And he said, I'll let you live in Tampa, because I was living in one of the same Florida time. And I said, OK, now we're speaking. So we had a little negotiation and a little discussion and then I decided to join the committee. So I basically like transferred from the CIA,

you know, kind of in the government process over to the Benghazi committee. The interesting thing is that- What were those discussions like? When you left CIA to go to the committee? CIA was easy, but I'll circle back and give you a different response though. Okay. So I went to the committee. CIA was easy, but I'll circle back and give you a different response though. So I went to the committee and how Trey wanted the committee, he wanted kind of like all

the Republicans and Democrats to like sit together and work together. So he never even asked me my political party. And I wasn't political anyway, but on paper I was a Democrat. So the Democrats realized Trey hired a Democrat and they came at me. Like there's no tomorrow. So the Democrat side of the Bengals a committee. So they came at you? Yeah.

Why? Because I was a Democrat, joining the Republican side of the committee apparently, but I was apolitical. So was there... Was there motivation to get to the bottom of what happened or just to make their people look good? No, their motivation was to make sure Hillary didn't look bad.

And then they had this weird conspiracy, it seemed that I knew stuff that didn't exist, that I knew covert action stuff and try hiring me to cover it up, so it wouldn't come out. But you know, that's all that crazy stuff that Ben Gozzy annex was moving weapons to Syria. It's like, guys, if we're gonna move weapons to Syria,

we don't need to ship them through some crappy little state department and CIA annex and Ben Gozzy to get them all the way to Syria, right? We were just taking a turkey and bring them in. So yeah, like, so all that was, all that's a conspiracy, right? But a lot of people at that time were still thinking, oh, you were attacked for your weapons or whatever.

And it's like, we had zero weapons, you know, like, and we weren't bringing in weapons. So there's no stingers. So a lot of people get confused. So stingers, right, are US-made and we gave them to the Afghan Mujahideen. There were zero stingers in all of Libya. But Libya had is Russian, SA-7s, SA-9s, so they're also Mampads. But they came out of Gaddafi stockpiles and then they proliferated everywhere, as you can imagine.

But a lot of people get confused that those man paths in Libya are there because the US brought them in like stingers. And it's like, no, there's our Gaddafi's man paths. And now we're just trying to get rid of them so the terrorists don't get them. So it's a huge confusion among people because they confuse what we did.

I think like Charlie Wilson's war or something. And they think that's what we did. It's like the Libyan revolution, we were air support, right? We dropped stuff from plans, that's how we helped them win. It was nothing like the Soviet war. So anyway, back to wherever I was.

So yeah, so that was a theory, I knew covert action stuff that really didn't exist. So what they first did is they barred me from doing anything. I couldn't even go on the systems. So I couldn't work. My first two months, I could use no work. I don't even think I could get in the email. Who barred you?

The base of the dams kind of put something in to stop me from being able to work. So then they went to the CIA to have the CIA remove me for the committee. So I have it go over to the CIA with the CIA lawyer, isn't it was funny? Because the CIA lawyers were like going to the dams. It's odd, she's on the committee, but she's like the advisor, so it's completely logical that he would hire someone who worked in Benghazi as his advisor on Benghazi. So the CIA said we see no conflict because I think they said that we're COVID action

theory. So the CIA lawyers were confused, right? Because everything was baseless. So the CIA said she can stay because we see no conflict. So then they were going to do this weird thing where they're going to release a report on me that talked about some of my time in Africa that was an issue. And I'll say what I think it maybe was. I have no idea.

It maybe was made up. But it ended up being, I was undercover when I was in Africa. So luckily our lawyers on our side went back and said, hey, you can't just release stuff on the CIA without getting the CIA to approve it. If you want to put some on on Sarah, send it to the CIA for a review and you can put it out. We did that in a back-to-way, but Elijah Cummings got really involved and he said to his

staff, like, what is this? He stepped in and said, this is foolish, too. So he was the dem leader of a committee. So I wouldn't call Elijah Cummings an issue. it was like the people under him. So he stopped that. But there is one thing. So when I was in Tripoli in the spring, I was there going after MBM, you know, who then did the attacks. But also the main target in Tripoli was Abu and Asal Libi, who had done the Kenyan Tanzania attacks. And so when I first left for Libya, I went to the CIA and said, hey, I'm going out.

The COS wants me to come and do capture operations. They're like, there's no legal approvals for capture operations. We're not going to give you any approvals. You're not going to capture anyone. And then I went out and we put it all motion. We got drones. We got approvals. And then they're like, holy crap. So they circle back around and said,

hey, now that you have the whole infrastructure, go capture Abu Anas. And I refuse to capture Abu Anas because the issue with Abu Anas Al-Libbi is he was detained all these years in Iran. And he was released because he was about to die. I mean, you should have seen this guy. He couldn't even like, like his brother took care of his family.

He like, he couldn't carry stuff. Like, he was like on desk doorstep, right? Like, and I said, I can't capture him. He's gonna die in our custody. And as you know, we were gonna use malicious, an intelligence service was just set up. And I said, he's gonna 100% die in our custody. So I said it to COS.

I said, if we capture him, he will die before he goes to a court room. Like I promise you. And so he backed me and we refused to do the capture. So after we both left, they did the capture. He died in custody before he went to court. So, but a lot of people had issues with the fact that I refused to capture him, but it's like, what are you gonna do with a dead terrorist

on your hands? That's even worse. And it was really bad because when he died in custody, they even tried keeping him alive. They gave him a liver transplant. They could have went to an American. So they said another American died for him. I mean, it was really messy.

It's like they never should have touched him. He was on desk doorstep. But anyway, so that was my entry into the Benghazi committee. Finally, they agreed that I would sit down and have a one-on-one with the dams and they asked me a trillion questions, and then they let me work.

So then I finally worked on the committee. But it was then a month later, because remember, the first two months I didn't even work. So then I finally worked on the committee. But it was then a month later, because remember the first two months I didn't even work. So the third month, I'm finally working, and I go over to CIA to do real work. And I get in an elevator with, it's a mean other people from the Benghazi committee and an analyst steps on the elevator

that I knew was an analyst in the shop that should be working Benghazi. And he was good. Like, you know, like one of the best analysts, I knew in the agents and he comes in. And he said, what are you working on now? And I go to the Benghazi Committee and he goes, I want to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

And this guy was like the best, right? And I was like, huh. If like the best guy who's got great integrity, hard worker, in the shop that would be working Benghazi won't touch it, they're not doing it. So when I left CIA that day, I called Boone and I said, the CIA is not going after Benghazi attackers. He's like, what are you talking about? It's been a few years, they must be.

I said, no, that's why we haven't seen anything. They're not going after them. And that's the day we decided to do our own investigation and track them down ourselves. Sam, did you learn anything in that committee? I learned Congress doesn't have a lot of teeth. I don't know what teeth they have now that they're locking people up. And but at least when I was there, you know, they put all these committees together,

they write great reports. Our reports excellent. But what's it do, right? Like, if they don't have, they don't use the carrots and six they need. I mean, Congress holds all the money, right? But they never actually go make the threats, right? Or force people to make the change.

And so I don't know what the solution is to that. They're going to make this big Afghanistan work commission, right? Is there teeth at the end? I don't know. I guess I felt from that it was interesting working in Congress, but I'm not sure that's the place for me because I'm a doer.

I need to like. What'd you do it again? I would do the Benghazi committee again only for the fact it was the only way I realized CIA wasn't working on the Benghazi attackers, 100%. It was worth that one minute in the elevator. Man, so other than that, it was just a waste of time. I mean, I mean, I liked it some of the people I worked with. It was interesting to learn how congress works or doesn't work.

You know, like those type of things, obviously, for any kind of, you know, just to have an understanding your career. Trigaudi is a very interesting person. We actually had very good mix of interesting congress people that I kind of learned from them and saw how they did their work. But, you know, you kind of want to work in something that hasn't effected on the end, right?

I mean, that's the kind of person I am. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, let's get into some of the attackers. Sure. They were out there. What's going on with these guys? Who do you want to start with?

Gosh. I mean, I think the one we should start with first is, maybe we just talk about the masterminds really quick because a lot of people get confused by that. Okay. So I explained how alchydoplane the whole attack to kidnap the ambassador, right? So that's pretty clear. It's understood.

And MBM was a mastermind. Well, there was a separate terrorist named Wasambin Hamad who during that night took advantage and attacked the CIA annex. and wasombed in Hamad, who during that night took advantage and attacked the C.I.A. annex. So that wasn't part of Al Qaeda's plan, nor did any of the Al Qaeda attackers go to the C.I.A. annex. That's completely separate. And that one is a lot of work, just FYI,

if you're trying to track these people down. So the craziest thing happened. So he was hanging out outside watching the attack on the consulate and he got a phone call. And it was a guy intriply saying, hey, I just got a call from the Americans here, which was actually J-sock, he's referring to the two J-sock guys.

Hey, I just got a call from the Americans. They're sending a rescue force from here to Benghazi, and they want you to help. He's like, what the f**k? There's more Americans coming to Benghazi, and he kind of like lost it on the phone. So he was the one called to go pick up team Tripoli. Okay.

So by a crazy random guy, Jason, I got a relationship with, which probably wasn't a solid relationship as we now know. So he hangs up the phone and someone nearby, here's some say, I'm gonna kill all the Americans tonight. So that then is when he puts the whole plan in motion to do the mortars. So he sends a commander to the airport

to now interdicts team Tripoli when they come and hold them up. So Team Tripoli arrived, I mean, I have the exact time, maybe 1.30 in the morning. And they held them at the airport so almost five in the morning. And then that commander with some called him and said, hey, let them go.

And the crazy part is when the CIA officers heard that in real time. So he heard him say, hey, with some, been homemade, said we can go now. So luckily, we caught that piece of the conversation too. So the commander, though, is completely unwitting, which is crazy. So the commander moves team triply to the CIA annex, and then he goes inside the building where the skiff is. So Bob's in there and all the CIA personnel, and then the GRS team lead.

So they're all in this one building. And with Sombin, Hamid calls this guy's fighters outside and tells them to leave. And the guy calls says, I can't leave my commanders inside. And then with songs, I don't care about your commander leave. So the forces that took team Tripoli abandoned the building and then the first mortar hits. So that's how quick it was. They arrived at 5.05 pm. That first mortar hit at 5.05 am, and the first mortar hit at 5.17 am. So the whole holding up of the airport

was just for the mortar strike setup, but in Wissam did it. The crazy party, so Wissam is the one I said early on that was killed by the Laman National Army, but he did so well in this attack. He eventually became the AQ head for Benghazi. No kidding. Yep.

And the crazy part is, so there was a huge war in Benghazi with the terrorists. It went from 2014 to January 2017. He took over, I want to say late 2014, early 2015, and they started losing. And so the head of AQIM actually did a whole call out to international terrorists of AQ all over the world. And basically he said, go to Benghazi and fight with Wasam, like go save our base in Benghazi. And it actually worked and they survived another 14 months

until the mortar strike on Wasam. So it was the Libyan National Army and the Emirates that did the strike. and he got hit and he suffered, be favorite, about 10 days and died. So Al-Qaeda was afraid when the rest heard with Sam was dead, they'd give up fighting so they lied about it and so they lied about it for a few weeks until they couldn't lie about it anymore and and then Benghazi fell and Elkite lost its base there, and I haven't gotten it back since. How many countries are Elkite operating in?

Oh gosh. Do you have any idea? I mean, in most countries, they at least have clandestine officers. You know, Elkite is so entrenched in places, they have like people working like visa lines at embassies in Europe, for example. I mean, think about it. How many years they've been at operation? There are plenty of people behind a kind of,

they don't shoot guns, they just get ignored. Probably people involved in the finances. So I mean, they're pretty global. Mm-hmm. Do you think they're bigger than Cartel? I think... It would depend. I mean, if we're talking, if they bring in as much money, you know, that's kind of where you get tough,

but I think in bodies, they're bigger than a Cartel. How much bigger? I mean, they have so much more reach in our cartel. You know, like their cartels are like regional. They might have some international time. I mean, I kind of can kind of go anywhere and they have a power broker to help them do something. Okay. You know, they're almost like an embassy. They're almost like right, embassy. Like, we have embassies. US has outreach all over with embassies All kind of has that you know forum. Mm-hmm. Okay. What about what about ISIS some of these other organizations I'm just trying to pay in a picture of how prevalent these organizations actually are because I think a lot of people think

Al-Qaeda Afghanistan. Oh, yeah, no ISIS Syria Iraq, you know. And so I want to, this isn't a centralized network. No, and remember, Al-Qaeda is the main vein of terrorism, right? So if you talk about other groups like Al-Shabab, Hasballah, whomever, right?

Al-Qaeda links in with all of those main groups, right? So they're kind of like the godfather or terrorism and everyone else is like, oh Al Qaeda, right? So all those people are going to places like Afghanistan because now it is Al Qaeda's hub, but Al Qaeda has branches everywhere. So ISIS wanted to be Al Qaeda and they did it in pretty good job. And ISIS is way scarier than al-Qaeda. If they were ever al-Qaeda size, right? They just could not get there because luckily people went after them harder. I feel I feel people targeted ISIS probably better than al-Qaeda. And so they're mostly known for searing Iraq, but they're still keep popping up, you know, like just even a couple of years ago that did a lot of damage in Mozambique.

So they keep trying to make their inroads really now, though, you're mostly hearing about the ISIS branch in Afghanistan, but I think a lot of that is our press and our narrative are trying to say, oh no, the Taliban are our counterterrorism partner. So we're kind of talking up ISIS K in Afghanistan to make ISIS the threat so you ignore the Taliban as working with al-Qaeda, if that makes sense.

So al-Qaeda is the bigger threat in Afghanistan than ISIS, but the US government is saying ISIS is a bigger threat than al-Qaeda, and so that's super frustrating because it's actually not a fact. Wow, wow. Oh, I do have one point though, saying, ISIS is a bigger threat than al-Qaeda. And so that's super frustrating, because it's actually not a fact. Wow. Wow. Oh, I do have one point, though, and with Sam being made really quick.

So he had two operational deputies the night of the attack, and so we're super interested in both of them. One was a longtime friend of Zawaii Haris that basically brought in a bunch of al-Qaeda people to fight during a Libyan revolution. A lot of people don't understand this. The Libyan revolution was not some democratic movement. It was terrorists taking it to Gaddafi because he locked them up forever and most of the people fighting it or at least leading militias were terrorists. In al-Qaeda, a lot of terrorists were fighting the Libyan revolution. So there seems to be a really complete disconnect

that it's all like Libyans who, you know, I was a barber and now I'm a warrior. It's like, yeah, but you work for the terrorists that ran your group. So he's one of the big targets that was involved then in the annex, because, you know, we focus a little on the annex when we can, because of CIA.

But the other one is with Sam's brother and the crazy part is he lives in Turkey. And in 2018, he applied for a visa to the United States and it got granted. 2018, they granted with Sam Ben Hameed who attacked the CIA and ex and killed Ronan Bob, a damn visa. Thank God he went to the airport and he must have been on some sort of Turkish list

or something and the Turks didn't let him fly to America. Are you serious? He was granted a US visa. In 2018. So this wasn't some long super time ago. So it's super frustrating. It's really frustrating working Benghazi as you can imagine, because people don't care. And stuff like this happens, and he almost got to the United States.

So that's a really big thing. I mean, this even says he joined ISIS in 2015. Yeah, he's basically like... So this guy was Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and we're known in more Grantan, and Mavisa. Well, the brother is a big funder of ISIS even. So the one in Turkey, he's a huge, he's a millionaire. He's like a multi-millionaire.

And he's a terrorist financier. And he also finances al-Qaeda and ISIS. The really interesting part is when, Wesad bin Hamay died, all these like, so people called him, like the head of Hamas called him. But you know who called him, but people ignore. Remember Abdallah's son? He's kind of like the godfather of Al-Qaeda.

His son called with Sambin Hamay's family and said, sorry for your loss. You know, like these things are so much bigger than we just talk about an attack on the consulate in Benghazi. And people are so lost that it is this big thing and it's all connected right They want to ignore that and they want to make Benghazi this little thing on the side that randomly happened Yeah, when it's a piece of the whole pie. They want to compartmentalize everything exactly Where are these guys now?

Well Where are these guys now? Well, we could talk about one that just in July, we luckily he ended up finally getting watchlisted after 11 years. And again, it was in Turkey. And he, he'd been traveling back and forth to Turkey because he lost his leg and he goes there for his treatment. So luckily, he was finally watchlisted. His name is Ziyad Ballum. And he's their first treatment. So luckily, he was finally watchlisted, his name is Ziyad Bala, and he's Al-Qaeda. He's pretty much right now,

probably one of our top three or four senior al-Qaeda members at the Benghazi attacks. So the Turkish authorities at the Istanbul airport capture him, and then they plan to deport him to Benghazi because that's where he's a wanted terrorist. So in Libya, there's two different governments, an East government and a West government. East government is where the LNA is,

and General Houghdarr, if you've heard of him, and then the other government is the one the US is aligned to. So the government, the US is aligned to, that prime minister basically gets involved, and he tells the Turks, no, you're not sending him to Mangazi, you're sending him to Tripoli. He was having him sent to Tripoli so he can release him. No one believed me. He was being sent to Tripoli to release. He sends him to Tripoli. He held him for 10 days and guess where he is

released. That's the US ally. That is our one point of contact in Libya, he released Ziyad in July. A captured terrorist involved in Mingadazi attacks and the thing is Ziyad is our emotional top target because he stole a weapon, then that of the attacks, a saw and the CIA had two saws and with 99.9% sure it's our saw. And so he actually stole a CIA weapon than that of the attacks too. A saw is a Belfa machine gun for those that don't know. Why did they release them? He can get it for looting. Why would they release them?

The problem is, is... So the general that I've talked about, he's the one fighting all the terrorists, he's the one that took the war in 2014 against the terrorists in Benghazi and the East. And then as he beat the terrorists and killed them, they moved and they moved, they moved, they moved and they moved to Tripoli. Tripoli's are safe haven, they're protected by the government of Libya. Remember, that's a separate government. So when Libya formed after Gaddafi fell, the government in Libya stayed with the terrorists because the terrorists kept them in power. So you know the old LIFG guys,

Al-Qaeda. So they stayed aligned with the terrorists and they still are. So yes, the US ally in Libya is the same side Al Qaeda is on. This makes zero sense to me. Yeah. And we've been that way for 10 years. What do you think this guy is out doing? I don't know. He was pretty, pretty spooked from what I heard. And he actually thinks that's a whole big operation against al-Qaeda in Libya, which could be good and bad, right?

He could go full, full extreme, or he could go into hiding and maybe not do anything for a while, but it actually did spook him. anything for a while, but it actually did spook him. How about hazma all d'Arnaui? Yeah, Homs all d'Arnaui. Yeah, so we talk about a terrace that kind of like boon interacted with a couple times in this career and so lately we've been bringing up Homsa because Homsa is super interesting.. Back when we were in Pakistan, when I met Boone, Hamza was one of the top targets at the time. You know how I said, like we had the top 10 Taliban lists. We had a top 20 al-Qaeda list and Hamza was on it.

The entire time we were in Pakistan. I go to Libya and then I told you I go to Benghazi in August and basically the top al-Qas target in Benghazi, like the day I got there was Hamza Aldar now. So Hamza Aldar now he ends up being involved in our attacks. The really interesting thing is when he was won in a Pakistan, it's because he was running like an electronics workshop for Bin Laden.

Bin Laden kind of took him under his wing and he was Bin Laden's guy that like, you know how they kept wanting to try to find a new way to attack, like a new innovative way to attack? Homsa was Bin Laden's guy to where Bin Laden gave him a whole like scientific research laboratory. That's what we call the electronics lab. So very close friend of Binon and super involved in external planning. Obviously, he was involved in the man-guys, the attacks. Where do you think he is now? Back in Libya.

Oh, no. We wish. Where? Afghanistan. Yes. Bill figure. Yeah. Again, we know he was a top target, he's been a top target of the US government for gosh, how knows how many years he sanctioned by the US. And it's like, hey, it's just another big ol' hotdog guy who's Libyan in Afghanistan, why the hell is he there?

He's there, training terrorists that come attack United States and then I do anything about it. I mean, what are you? And we've shared. It's been shared. It's not just a prime show. I have provided to the US government that he is there just FYI. Well, I mean, what is there response when you when you say that when you say this guy is an afghanistan

training terrorists to come attack us. What is the response? I Really just get thanks for your info and then nothing happens. Yeah a year ago I did provide something really good and it actually did go up to the White House level and they decided they didn't want to do anything Can you go into that at all or no? Probably not in this forum, without talking to all the other people involved as you can imagine, who would be at risk. Because the negative is right, if you don't go after info, you still want to keep your people in play who can collect that info and the hopes that maybe the US will finally

come around and go after the terrorists, you don't want to obviously lose the people who can report that info. Why do you think they're not going after these guys? Because they want you to believe Al Qaeda does not exist in Afghanistan. So how can you kill a living in Al Qaeda member in Afghanistan? Why do they want us to believe that?

Because they want us to forget about Afghanistan and move on. I've heard this from Congressman. I've heard, I'm hearing this. They really think this is just going to go away. 100% that the only reason Afghanistan hasn't gotten away is all these pesky volunteers, like me, like Scott, whomever, still trying to save their Afghans. And we've gotten in their way and they're sick of it, and they're just waiting to plow through us until it's a long,

you know, it's not in the press anymore, and it's ignored, and they can move on. They'd never wanted to go in for two more years. We're like annoying them at this point. What do you think there's going to be any recourse towards you or Scott or anybody? Since there's like a thousand of us helping Afghans, I mean, I doubt it.

I mean, there was some, in some government agencies, they had people did go af, they were gone after for actually helping with EVACs. My job very different. My bosses were super supportive of me being involved in the Afghan evacuation. A large number of people in my office actually supported it. So I think the majority of actually worker bees

in the US government were supportive of helping Afghans. It's kind of the senior level stuff that we all stay out of, right? But I think normal every day, people who have worked counter-terrorism in the whole career are very concerned about Afghanistan. Yeah, I'll bet. I'll bet.

I mean, how many of these top level guys are out there that we're just ignoring? Do you have an estimation on that? Well, there's two different things. Those guys are ignoring. And guys, we thought that we're dead, that aren't. So both those are enough, Afghanistan. I'd say, if you're asking me people who had over million dollar bounties on their head,

maybe, this is a good way to do it. So they had a million, five million or ten million dollar bounties in their in Afghanistan right now. I'd say there's 15 of them. And I'm not saying Taliban. 15 that aren't Taliban. Because people be like, oh, Taliban, we put a million on Bereder, I'm talking Al Qaeda or other very known terrorist groups.

You think we're gonna be back there someday? We have to be, they're coming down, they're coming, the thing is, remember, they're on offense now and they are coming for us. And a lot of them, remember, a lot of these guys we locked up for 20 years and we didn't lock them up in a nice prison in the United States.

They were in Poli-Charky prison. It's like the Shirley shitty prison outside Kabul. Like, there are terrorists very, very upset and they want revenge. What do you think the probability of another line 11 attack is? Did Erdiie set on here? No, you haven't asked me that. Okay. I think exactly how it's done, it is hard to replace college shake

Muhammad KSM who planned and I'm not going to lie. He was a genius. But do they want to do something at that level? Yes. Do I think that they will do something more innovative than not 11? Definitely. Remember, they tried it with obvious the liquids on the airplanes. I think the next attack will probably be something more innovative.

I don't think it's going to be 3,000, but I don't think it's going to matter if it's 3,000, right? Because they want to hit here and they want to show they can do it and they want to do something spectacular. How do you know that they want to hit here and they want to show they can do it and they want to do something spectacular. How do you know that they want to hit here? Because we're their top enemy. And we always will be, it's never going to change. And remember...

Are we picking up traffic from them that are saying this? Do you know? I have no idea if we're even collecting traffic anymore. Oh man. It's funny because, you know because a month or two ago, I found one of our newest Benghazi attackers. The one I told you was in Gitmo. And he's the one talking to Aconis,

and the funny part is the Libbyan that was telling me that, he said, well, I hope your country's collecting what he's saying to the conis. I said, my country is not even, they don't even know this Gitmo guy was involved in Benghazi. Let alone he's still a terrorist, right?

Think of it, we haven't even collected on what happened to the Gitmo guys release. Can you imagine what we're doing, anybody else? We're not, we're not collecting on these guys. They don't know that he's been a terrorist for 11 years. Honestly, I actually went to look what they, even when he was in Gitmo, they didn't even know he was all kaita.

So let's not even call out Gipmo debriefings done well because he was all kaita when they picked him up and put him in Gipmo and none of his Gipmo files say he was all kaita. Zero. So. This is not painting a good picture, Sarah. I know, it's not. Do you think they're going to come through the southern border? I think the southern border is easiest place to come through. But if they can get in a refugee pipeline, they can come straight in. So the refugee pipeline is very dangerous. With a lot of people,

here's an argument you'll get. And people need to understand this. They'll be like, well, there's been terrorist attacks all around the world. And Afghans weren't involved in them, right? Paris attacks all around the world, and Afghans weren't involved in them, right? It's because the Afghan passport was so weak. Now the Afghan passport is extremely powerful because a lot of humanityans are like, we need to save these Afghans from the terrorists. So Afghans are being brought in all over the world

and it kind of is like holy crap. So they don't even need the sort of order. This is a coup. They don't. Our terrorists in Libya, they were given official Libyan passports and fake names. It's the exact same thing that the Taliban is doing. The terrorists can get passports for other countries even now, right?

So they don't have to come over the border, but there are some still doing the border to actually even just to see if they can do it and to test it and to kind of learn about our weaknesses. Because remember, Tariots are always looking at our weaknesses. You know, I used to do tiny debris things. And you know, I'm trying to learn about them, but you pay a lot of attention to what they're trying to learn about you, right? And they are going to find our weaknesses and our son and border is probably our biggest

weakness right now. Yeah. Yeah. And you think we're there number one priority. 100 percent. Even though we're gone. 100 percent. We're still there number one priority.

Remember, we killed their family. Remember, this isn't just Afghanistan. We killed their family members in Afghanistan, the terrorist family members. We killed the terrorist family members in Afghanistan, the terrorist family members. We killed the terrorist family members in Iraq, right? We killed a bunch of them when they did spend a little bit of time. They did an ISIS in Libya. There is a lot of revenge. Yeah, exactly.

Yemen's a really good example. People always ignore how powerful AQAP is. How we talked about you said who's in Afghanistan and I said, hey, let's go one million over. So, the main AQAP target that I think they thought was dead, his name is Ibrahim Albanah, guess where he is. Afghanistan. Afghanistan. So AQAP, senior leader in Afghanistan as well.

Being completely ignored. And guess who he hangs out with? Homs have been laudin. Do you think that the resistance has any hope of taking their country back? For and their people. I think the good thing about the resistance is what I'm saying to you, they know all that, right?

So the resistance aren't naive, right? They are the experts, right? They know their enemy, which is the most valuable thing, right? Because we really don't know our enemy most of the time. Thank God the resistance knows their enemy. The resistance has to build a very powerful coalition. That's how they win. And if they keep separated or keep anything ethnic,

it's just not gonna be enough because a Taliban is so big and so powerful, like they have to hit back with the same strength. And so I don't even know a percentage of bodies a Taliban is, but I don't know, if they're 40 or 50% of the population Then your resistance has to be 40 to 50% of the population and that's what they have to get to and I think I think they can win But there it's gonna be a lot of gorilla stuff, right?

Because I mean the Taliban are the better armed, but I'm positive that they can win But they all have to come together and there has to be a catalyst to bring them all together. And we haven't seen that happen yet. A couple more people I want to talk about. We got tube and gase prisoners and US prisons. I'm in Abu Katala, convicted of terrorism charges, not murder charges currently in a Colorado prison. And Mustafa, all I'm on sentence to 19 years in prison. Why don't these guys have death penalties

why don't they have life they're not even attackers they're just low level no no no level so obu katala is little little messed up in the head uh... so i'll kind of never share the attack with Abu Catala. The US actually lies to everybody.

So during the revolution, Catala had a little militia of all, like Catala lived in like Compton, okay? This is the best way to put it. Shitty is neighborhood in Benghazi. And so like 20 of the guys got together and they had a militia, it was a pretty good militia, right?

Cause they were like the toughest, roughest guys. After Gaddafi fell, they disbanded a militia, it was a pretty good militia, right? Because they are like the toughest, roughest guys. After Gaddafi fell, they disbanded the militia. So in 2012, Katala was not in a terrorist group. And he's a little bit crazy. Some people say it was Gaddafi tortured him, whatever reason. So Al-Qaeda never shared the attack with Katala. Oh, good.

So Katala is sitting at home drinking tea. He gets a call from Mustafa Ali Imam who just found out there was an attack and said, hey, there's an attack going on the US consulate. Let's meet there. And they went down and met there. The crazy part is Katala stayed outside the entire attack. So the whole time Akadu is in, he stayed outside.

And then if you understand anything about the timeline, he didn't even go into the compound till after GRS and State Department left. So a whole nother hour. Then he went into the compound and did a little looting. So he was, he's a fake mastermind, the US lied to so they didn't have to tell you it was al-Qaeda. The good part is the jury kind of saw through it and that's why the other part of the question, he didn't get the death penalty

because they were like, there's no evidence that he really was much of an attacker, let alone the mastermind. But yeah, they are low hanging food. Mustafa was basically, I'm assuming, only detained to back up the katala one because they went to Ms. Roder and got Mustafa and within a half a mile of Mustafa

was at least three senior Benghazi attackers. Right where he was. Man, what look? So these guys are just scapegoats. Yeah, and worse, they have no al-Qaeda background. So Mustafa and Ima, he's really weird. Like, his father maybe did a little, extremist stuff.

He was Palestine, maybe had some sort of relationships with Hamas, but like he wasn't like some known Hamas fighter. And then the family emigrated to Libya, and he got some sort of trouble, and he got put in Abu Salim prison. That's good off he's big prison. In prison, he makes best friends with Katala. So then they all get broken out

during the living revolution and he moves to Benghazi. So honestly, you know how long it took me to find anyone in Benghazi who knew Mustafa Imam and then when I did, they're like, that idiot, like he's a nobody. He was like a terrorist for like a few weeks or something. So yes, I think they captured your stuff on all of you to strengthen the catalog piece of their fake narrative.

Oh, man. Hum, it's just, I mean, I'm going off on a tangent here. But he really, it, it hurts me that people still, I mean, the news, the news, the false narratives, escape goats, I mean, it's, the media has really turned into just a state megaphone. I know. And the part that really frustrates me though is they put them on trial knowing, like, Boone refused to testify. He's like, he's not the mastermind. So they knew there was people in Benghazi who didn't knew he wasn't the mastermind,

and they still put him on trial. And I feel like that's a real big lack of integrity too. And remember, we sent a team to go get him, so we risked American lives to pick up like some low-hanging fruit that wasn't even an attacker. Like, what if some of them would have got killed? It's... I wish I could just get through to people, you know, to not...

buy off on everything they see on the news. And this is another example. This is, I mean, you are the type of person that briefs the White House. And people are still going to go to news. And it's just, I don't know how to get through to them. I know. But I don't want to beat a dead horse.

But how fast do you think these terrorist organizations are going to kind of get back up to what they were before we started taking them out? What is the regeneration process for al-Qaeda? Is it already back up? Well, if we just look, I like to compare to Libya, because it was a real example, right? So, Gaddafi fell the end of October. So, beginning of November, Al Qaeda started setting up a base.

They were actually doing a real base in Benghazi, right? They did our attacks in September, and I told you, General Houghdard had that war against them. Guess how many soldiers they killed from 2014 to 2017? I have no idea. 8,000. And then you had 20,000 civilians on top of that. That's how powerful Al Qaeda got from the end of 2011

to basically 2014. So Al-Qaeda is a year away from that in Afghanistan. Right back up to what it was. Oh, and a thousand times bigger. Because remember, Al-Qaeda had like little pockets of training. Obviously everybody knows about Tarnak Farms, down in Kandahar, there was like a sorobi camp

outside of Kabul, et cetera. They had little pockets in Afghanistan. Now, there's a training center in every province being built in Afghanistan. Like, the level isn't even, the al Qaeda that is coming is so much bigger than the al Qaeda on 9-11. Like, it's, they're already probably bigger than 9-11. That's scary. Yes. So we're not even, we have no progress on Okinawa at this point.

So we have from a geopolitical standpoint here, we've got Russia Ukraine going on. We have Major Beef with China, Taiwan. We've got, and now we have ISIS, we have al-Qaeda, which is just massing incredible amounts of people. And we're enemy number one. And don't forget Africa has become cool country. Like every Like every country Kuku Kuku Kuku like we can't we're like losing all access in Africa Yeah, it's all going to China and Russia China and Russia and her taking it all yeah, they have it all They're not even taking it at this point Do you have any positive news? Oh Is that what I came here for?

No. I tried to... I thought this was a Sean Ryan show. I tried to end every show with something positive, but I'm drawn a blank right now. I mean, I think the positive is there's a lot of good Americans who've spent 20 years working counter-terrorism who are trying to get the word out, right? Like focus on this threat, make this a priority, and honestly, when they're not getting answers, right?

Like they might work in parts of the government. They're going and collecting it themselves. Like they are trying to do something and it's better than I feel like after Benghazi, nobody did anything, right? I feel now I'm hoping, after I've gained, I stand people like, we're not gonna let this happen. Like, no, like, not a my watch. And that's what we kind of all need to come together.

Yeah. Well, Sarah, I just wanna say, I really appreciate you coming out and educating me and the audience. And what's happening in your future? I mean, my future is I want to get the mortar team. So there's a 10 man mortar team that hit the CIA annex. We've named, we recently named one, and we got 9 more to go.

And that's our near term focus. Good for you. Thank you. Well, how can people get in touch with their? How can they find you? Where do they get the book? The book's easy. You can just get it on Amazon

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