Shawn Ryan Show - #84 Nick Bryant - Epstein's Secret Black Book | Part 1

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Nick Bryant is the author of "The Franklin Scandal" and Activist for Epstein Justice. Bryant is also credited with publishing Jeffrey Epstein's "Little Black Book." Part one is a deep dive into Bryant's investigation into The Franklin Scandal. This was one of the first child trafficking rings that was highly publicized and alerted the general population to such heinous activities. Bryant explains how the criminal underworld gave way to monsters like Jeffrey Epstein. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://babbel.com/srs https://goldco.com/ryan | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Nick Bryant Links: Website - https://nickbryantnyc.com Twitter / X - https://twitter.com/Nick__Bryant Epstein Justice - https://epsteinjustice.com Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Is it you tag the show Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please welcome investigative journalist Nick Bryant to the Sean Ryan show. Love you all. Enjoy the show. Nick Bryant, welcome to the show. Well, thanks for having me, Sean. Appreciate it. It's an honor to have you here. It's an honor to be on your show. So we, I guess I should say we, I have been fascinated with the Jeffrey Epstein topic ever since it kind of came to light.

And I've been looking for somebody that really knows the ins and outs and all the little details of what was going on and there took a little bit for us to find somebody, but you are the perfect fit. I cannot wait to dive in and see what kind of information you've uncovered. Unfortunately, it's the government that's with EBST, and we have the government eating and betting child trafficking, which is ultimately very sorted, but it's something and it goes against our grain, the values of Americans, it's anathema to our values,

but it's something that we have to straighten out as a society to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Yeah, the US government seems to be at the center of a lot of issues today. Yes. But I want to give you a quick intro here. So Nick Bryant, here an advocate and publish writer focused on topics such as the plight of disadvantaged children in the US. You spend seven years investigating coast to coast child trafficking networks, author of

the Franklin scandal, which we'll get into a little bit, an investigator of the Epstein Network and published Epstein's Little Black Book that we all hear all about. And, so before we kind of really get going, I'm just curious, what got you started in the trafficking genre, bringing awareness to that? What happened? I've written a lot about children's issues. That's a topic that's in your endure to my heart is children's issues. Mostly lower-susururacanomic children and the travails. And I ultimately co-authored book called

America's Children and Trafford Tragedy that looked at a lot of the shortcomings that are. Our country pays great lip service to children as its most precious resource. But as I showed in America's Children and Trafford Tragedy, the resources aren't allocated for children the way that they should be. And so that's an issue that's very, very close to my heart.

And I was a writer and journalist in Minnesota for a number of years, and then I ultimately moved to New York City and I saw right in four magazines there. And I was pitching an editor at Rolling Stone and I said, well, what do you want me to write an article about? And he goes, pitch me dark stories. And I didn't had no idea what I said. I kind of threw my arms up in there.

I said, Nazis, Satanists, you know what? How dark do you want to get? And I'd written some dark stories before it. That's maybe why he thought I'd specialized in darkness. So you can kind of tell editors their eyes, there's a little sparkle when you hit something that they And when I said Satanist Satanism and he goes Satanists and I get see that little glint in his eyes. So I wasn't really well versed in the subject, but I started looking into

the occult fraternities and the the occult fraternities and the darker occult fraternities. And then I talked to various Satanists and various stripes and I found them to be kind of an unsavory group. But my job was to write an article. And I kind of had a simple plan. I was going to cultivate a relationship with some of these people and then ultimately

attend a dark mass, write a book about it, or a black mass, and then write an article about it. And then I came across the US Customs Report. When you're a writer, and a lot of writers will talk about this, when you're a writer, and a lot of writers will talk about this, when you're a writer, you're, although you're looking at a certain subject, you're always surfing the net for stuff that's tangential to it, or that's related to it. And I came across the US Customs Report about a cult called Defenders. They had a couple of warehouses in Washington, D.C.

And two Finders had been busted in Townlassie, Florida with six children. And the six children were like regumuffins and some concerned citizens called the Townlassie Police Department. And then the Townlassie Police Department went to that park and saw the kids and saw the two Finders and they arrested the finders and

put the kids in child protective services. And what happened there was, and then these two finders were charged with multiple accounts of child abuse. And the US customs got involved because there was child pornography. And the DC police, the fighters had warehouses in DC, and the DC police had been interested in the fighters for quite some time. Are the finders the folks involved in the Franklin scandal? No, no, it was kind of my segue into the Franklin scandal.

So with the finders, the DC police and the US customs executed a search warrant on the ware So with the finders, the DC police and the US customs executed a search warrant on the warehouses of the finders and they found really very incriminating stuff. And the kids were being held in Hellhassy. And actually a doctor had said that two of the kids have been sexually abused.

So what happened was I've got the US Customs Report, and the US Customs Report is so mind-blowing that I put the entire US Customs Report in the back of the Franklin scandal. So what happens is that investigation is going full throttle. You've got the telehazard police department involved, you've got US Customs involved,

you've got DC police involved, and then you had the FBI involved. And then all of a sudden, and it said to the son of the report that the investigation of the fires had become a quote unquote CIA internal matter, and there'll be no more investigation. So I read that document, and I was just stunned. I was thinking this does not match the world that I live in. And that opened

my mind up to looking for other scenarios that might be like that, where there might be trafficking children, and then intelligence was involved. And then that led me to the It was on the internet, there was a lot of talk about, a lot of postings about this pedophile network in Omaha, Nebraska. And this former state senator, his name is John DeCamp, he had written a book about it. And I read the book, I didn't think it was really well done. I mean, it wasn't like a regular journalist. But actually, Yorkshire Television and the UK had made a documentary about it. And that documentary had been clashed.

And you could get the documentary on the internet. So I got the documentary and you know I had a bunch of my friends come to my apartment and I like gave shunnings of it and I was like, am I losing my mind or is this just like ominous to you. And they all said, you know, this is very honest. So I went to Omaha. I knew that something had happened in Omaha, Nebraska, but I wasn't sure exactly what had happened. I thought that there had been some kids molested in Omaha, but the internet was showing that kids being flown from coast to coast, intelligence

involved, boys, town students, which boys town is probably the most famous orphanage in the world. Talks about all these things. And I was skeptical. I mean, I'd really try to keep my mind open. But I was skeptical. But when I got in there, I started to talk to people. Well, let's, we'll get into that in just a second.

Sure. I want to ask why is, I mean, it's a fairly obvious question, I guess. It should be near and dear to everybody's heart, but what is it specifically that drew you to bring an exposure to child trafficking and sex exploitation and all of that? Well, because with the Franklin scandal and also with the Epstein scandal, you've got child trafficking that's being covered up. And as I came across the Franklin scandal 21 years ago

and as I dug deeper and deeper into this, I have been embraced by anti-traffying organizations, and I've spoken to anti-traffing conferences, and I've met a lot of people that have been traffic, and no one has paid for it. And that's just something, there has to be justice. The government cannot be covering up child trafficking on any level, local, state, federal. No one should be covering up child trafficking on any level local state federal No one should be covering up child trafficking. You know You'd mentioned something earlier. I can't remember your exact words, but you were saying that

Basically, I think in essence you were saying that the government doesn't take this seriously in the the allotted funding and and and the focus on trafficking is it's almost not even there. I mean, I went to a fundraiser for one of those organizations recently and there was a gentleman that spoke. He was the head of Homeland Security's division in this. And he said, there are only 8,000 agents, only 8,000 agents out there that are combating sex trafficking and sex exploitation for children. Meanwhile, it's a $150 billion a year business that we know about.

There are 366 million videos out there of children being sexually exploited. That we know about. And there's only 8,000. And I'm not talking about 8,000 in the United States. 8,000 in the entire world are working on this stuff. 8,000 in the entire world. That shows you right there that this is not a priority for any government, any agency. I mean, it's ridiculous, which makes me think they're all in on it. Well, there's a lot of child trafficking that has been covered up. I mean, we know of child

trafficking. It's been covered up in the United States for no child trafficking. I'm talking huge networks that have been covered up in the UK, that have been covered up in Belgium, that have been covered up in Spain, that have been covered up in Argentina. I mean, that have been covered up in Belgium, that have been covered up in Spain, that have been covered up in Argentina. I mean, that have been covered up in Mexico, there's a lot of child trafficking networks that have been covered up. And we need, and we see this, Epstein is right in our face. I mean, we know that Epstein was trafficking

all kinds of girls to numerous perpetrators. And only one person has been indicted for those crimes. And that's Glenn Maxwell. Well, we know that there's scores of people that were involved in those crimes. So our government has to have the will to go after traffickers and child pornography. And our government just doesn't show the will now,

but it's going to be up to the American people ultimately. The American people have to put their foot down and say, no more. This is an institution, this is an instance where the American people really have to get vociferous and correct their government and not allow their government to cover up absentee. Because there's been other networks that have been covered up. And this is something that the government should not be involved in, is covering up child-driving nectar, which is essentially 80 and a betting child-driving. So we're at a point now where we have to put our foot down and say, that's it, no more.

We need those EBSD perpetrators indicted. We need those EBSDM procure's did, we need those Epstein procures and I did. And we're not going to settle for anything less. That's what we need. Let's talk a little bit about the Franklin scandal before we get into Epstein because that was your first big book. Franklin scandal book, it's about in a ledges child prostitution ring out of Omaha, Nebraska that took place in around 1988 Managed by Laurence King from Korea. There are two primary pimps Laurence King of Omaha, Nebraska and Craig Spencer Washington DC I want to tell you about a product that personally resonates with me as a former long-time dipper in the military, and that's Black Buffalo. You see, when I was in the SEAL teams, almost everybody in my platoon dipped tobacco, including

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The victim's age from the victim's ages range from 18 or I'm sorry, eight years old to 14 years old. And let's just let's just start there. Well, with the Franklin scandal, I went to Omaha. I knew that something had gone down with the Franklin scandal, but there was all kinds of internet speculation. And I didn't know how much of that was a proctor and how much of it wasn't. So when I went to Omaha the first time, and I went there a number of times, but when I went to Omaha the first time, I knew that something number of times, but when I went to Omaha the first time, I knew

that something had gone up, but I thought it was a local pedophile ring, not like a nationwide network. I didn't think it was involved in blackmail. I thought that local law enforcement had probably covered it up and not federal law enforcement. So when I got to Omaha the first time, So when I got to Omaha the first time, I realized that it was much bigger and uglier than I ever could have imagined. And I took some heat. I had like a death threat. And I was followed from who? A woman, it was funny. I was staying with a friend of mine. I told my friend, I'm gonna look into this thing, and I'd known him for many years since I was a teenager. And I said, I'm gonna look into this thing. I'm, we hadn't hung out in a while,

so I'm gonna look into this thing and see what's happened, and then we'll hang out and go do some stuff. And so I told him, the the first night I was everywhere I'm dinner. I told him what I was looking at. You know, when he looked at me like, you know, are you sure? And I said, well, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna check this out. So I was staying at his place when a woman came to the door and said, and you know, he was there. So, and she said, you're in a great deal of danger. And they're going to kill you. And she was a freaky looking woman. And now my buddy had started, I've been there for about a week and my buddy had started to come

around with some of the stuff that I was reporting back to him, but then that woman coming to his door and dispensing that. Well, you know, it made both of us, we didn't sleep very easily that night. But here's the thing, by that time I'd come to the conclusion this was a huge network. It had been an operation for at least a decade. And multiple children were destroyed. And I don't have a family. I'm not married. I don't have children.

I can take risks. That other people wouldn't be comfortable taking risks. And I just said, you know, this is too evil. And it was covered up by both federal and state law enforcement and authorities. And I just said this, what was done here was just to evil. I'm not going to quit. If I get killed, I get killed. I mean, I'm not going to quit doing this. I'm going to expose this to the best of my ability. And that's my honesty. Did you, did this go on to the harassment

from whoever it was continue? There was harassment. I think a lot of harassment was thrown at me the first time I was there. And they thought, well, you know, he's probably a journalist from New York and you know, we'll never see him again. But there was harassment subsequently.

But nothing like it was initially. I mean, that was the only time I had like an over death red was the first time I was there. But I was so committed to doing it at that point that whatever difficulties I was going to have, I was willing to endure them to get this story out. Because as I said, this network that I wrote about the Frankl Scali, it had been in operation for about 10 years

and it had destroyed scores of children. work that I wrote about the Frankl Scali. It had been in operation for about 10 years, and it had destroyed scores of children. And it had been covered up by federal and state law enforcement. And I just said, this cannot stand. I mean, something has to be done about this. And I'm going to write a book about it, and hopefully I can get it published. And I was represented by a relatively big literary agent at that point, and I gave them the book proposal. And then within two weeks, I was no longer a client of theirs.

And then, I knew James Fitzgerald. He was an agent. He since passed away. And then he ran a good agency. I mean, he had published a number of popular books or facilitated the publishing number of popular books. And he couldn't sell it. I mean, I've met with some publishers and they were just concerned about libel.

And finally, there was a small publisher outside of Eugene, Oregon that was willing to. And by that time, there were, and I don't know if your listeners and viewers are familiar with the magnations of a grand jury, but with a grand jury, grand juries are notorious for covering stuff up, because a special prosecutor is picked to prosecutor grand jury. And grand juries are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty that have been funneled to a grand jury. So, and the special prosecutor calls the witnesses

and also picks the evidence that's shown to the grand jurors. And it's not adversarial, it's just one sided. And then everything is sealed, and it's against a lot to talk about it. So there was a New York judge that said, Supreme Court judge that said, special prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they could get them to a day to ham sandwich. And so, with this case, the Franklin case, I managed to get the sealed grand jury in testimony of one of the grand juries. And I bring the view, the reader right into that grand jury. And I show how corrupt it is. And because that grand jury declared that all

these kids getting abused was a carefully crafted hoax, but it didn't even name who the hoaxers were. It kind of pinned like the hoax on a bunch of drug-addled kids, which was, I mean, and then a federal grand jury said the same thing. That was equally corrupt. And there again, you just need one guy, one special prosecutor who's corrupt, and then he can get the grand jurors to do whatever they want them to do. So these two grand jurors had said that there was no child abuse. But

after I got the sealed testimony and exhibits of one of those grand jurors, I mean at that point I was really able to write the book because they exhibit, it gave me a lot of information. And then I was able to show just exactly how one of the grand juries have been co-opted. Wow. Let's talk about a little bit about what was going on there. So there was a legit abuse,

it was widespread series of crimes, including devil worship, cannibalism, drug trafficking, and CIA's arm deals. Okay, so that comes from the Wikipedia page. Okay. And the Wikipedia page is farcical. If you go on my website, I go to the, I've got a link to the Wikipedia talk page

because you've got like the Wikipedia page and then you've got like the talk section. And that Wikipedia page has been taken over by people that want to make this non-sensical. Okay. And there's pages and pages and pages of debate. And actually I called Jimmy Wales, who started Wikipedia.

I'm a pretty good investigator, I was able to get to this private cell phone number. And I called him up and I said, you know, you're my last hope for making this Wikipedia page read realistically. And he was completely unwilling to help me. I'm actually I'm going to release that conversation on my website and the relatively near future. What did he say?

Why would he? Why wouldn't he? He said that I'm going to look into it. Send me some emails. So I sent him some emails and then he said that he didn't get them. I texted him. I just, I don't understand why there are so many people in powerful positions that protect pedophiles. Why would you not want to protect the children?

Why does everybody in a power, I guess I shouldn't say everybody, but it, it seems to me, the more I dive into this subject, the more I see, the more elite status you have, the more compliant you are with pedophiles in sex trafficking and sex exploitation. What is it? Well, I think people reach a certain plateau, socioeconomic plateau, and they're afraid of losing what they have, and they're afraid of not getting what they want. I mean, I think it's that simple.

And when I saw, like, some of the— So, you're just saying that it's great. Money, it's fear. It's not, it's too pedophilia. It's fear. Yeah. The fear that you, I mean, you place more important,

you have more value on money than you do on little kids. Absolutely, and your status and your house payments and your car payments and your kids college. There were some people that covered this up that were definitely compromised pedophiles. And that's one thing about our political system is that Americans. And that's why there's so much blowback on that Wikipedia page is the people that are in control of the Wikipedia page on the Franklin scandal, they want to make sure that it doesn't come out that the government has covered up that pedophile

network. And they want to make sure that blackmail. Because blackmail plays an integral role. And I've been at this for 21 years and Epstein had cameras in all of his homes. I mean, Epstein was definitely a blackmail artist. And the government wants to make sure that that does not come out, that a huge part of our political system

is predicated on blackmail. And especially if that dark and lignet corner of the intelligence that is using blackmail against our politicians and other people, if they were using children, I mean, that would make the American people erupt. So, that's why that Wikipedia page is locked down. And that's why this is important. This is, for that dark corner of intelligence, this is Omaha Beach.

You know, they're not going to give an edge because this is the last thing that they want out. And it's amazing how the Epstein scandal has been able, has been covered up. If you look at all the victims and all the perpetrators and all the precures involved in the Epstein network, I mean, we're talking score, and the people that facilitated it,

like the pilots and like Epstein's house managers and the cooks and everybody else. We're talking scores and scores of people, and no one's been invited except for Gwain Maxwell. And that really shows that our government, unfortunately, wants to stop it there. Our government does not, I mean, although Americans do, I think, are coming around to the belief they have seen

as Tegan-Parrant-Blackmail or a lot of them, it doesn't make sense. Why is our government eating and betting challenge are we? Unless they're protecting some very powerful people and a political process, it doesn't make sense. Yeah. I mean, that's the only way that it makes sense. And I saw that with the Franklin scandal too.

That's, and actually, I think the Franklin network might have been bigger than Epstein's network. How many kids were involved in the Franklin scandal? It's difficult to know, but it was operational for about 10 years, and it was getting kids from like Boyz Town and... What's Boyz Town? It's a Catholic orphanage. It's probably the most famous orphanage in the world.

And it was getting kids that fell between the cracks. I mean, people like Epstein and then like the... For example, the Catholic church has a long history of being involved in this stuff. Yes. You know, so that's, I mean, unfortunately, I hate to say it, I was raised Catholic, but you know, it's no, I guess it doesn't come to me as a surprise.

Although, probably wouldn't come to me as a surprise if it was any other. You just have seen, I've seen so many, you know, this minister, this guy, this priest, this, you know, it's all, it's all, they've all partaken, unfortunately. The number two guy at Boystown, Father James Kelly, he molested a bunch of kids in upstate New York, and then the Catholic Church and its infinite wisdom moved him to Boystown, where he molested a bunch of other kids, and then eventually they moved him to a prison in Las Vegas.

So because I have come across a lot of kids that were molested by a father, Kelly, or James Kelly at Boys Town, and I think that he was part of that network. Because if the priests gave the kids privileges, no one would argue with that. So I think that Kelly was a compromised pedophile, and that he gave King at all access to the boys down kids. And then I've got a paper trail between Boyz Town and Lawrence E. King, one of the primary pimps of the Franklin scale network. So, there's a lot of connections there, but I think Father Kelly was there.

And then there was another priest there that was sent to Argentina. I mean, at a certain point, I sent to Argentina. But Father James Kelly was, I mean, he was a major predator. And he prayed on, God knows how many boys in upstate New York and prayed on, God knows how many, and with boys town, these are lower social economic kids from lower social hanging on backgrounds, dysfunctional families.

And at Boystown, they're being taken care of. You know, they're being fed well. They're getting in a good education. A lot of them want to stay there because it's the safest place they've ever been. And a predator like father James Kelly knows that. And it just gives him carte blanche to prey on kids. And actually, Boystown has gone to bat for him because there's been people that have tried to litigate

against Kelly. And the only reason why Boystown hasn't paid out substantial settlements is because of the statute of limitations. They've had behind the statute of limitations. And they're making millions of dollars in donations, boys town. How did this network work? Who was involved? So there were two primary pimps, Lawrencey, King, and Craig Spence. King and Spence were in Southeast Asia during Vietnam.

King was in Thailand with a top security clearance. I don't know exactly what he was doing, but he had a top security clearance. And Spence was an ABC reporter in Vietnam. reporter in Vietnam. So I'm surmising that both of them, now, and they both came from working class, Lucrolla families. And I'm surmising that they both of them got busted, molesting kids in Southeast Asia. And that's where they were turned. Because as soon as they came back the United States, their careers just became, it was like a skyrocket. Lawrence II King became the manager of the Franklin Credit Union and went from like $17,000 a year to making millions.

I mean, a lot of that was ill-begotten. And Craig Spence went from ABC correspondent and Vietnam to a major power rover in Washington DC as soon as he got back. And Craig Spence would have these huge parties at his place. He's very much like the Epstein character in the Franklin scandal. His house was wired for audiovisual blackmail. And what would happen at those parties is it would be like a bunch of power brokers that'd be invited.

You name, I mean, it was a who's who of Washington DC in the 1980s would go to Craig Fence's place. And there would be a lot of times, if there wasn't just like outright pedophilia of orgies or orgies, I mean, it would be like a cocktail party, a Washington DC counter party, and people would be applied with alcohol.

And then maybe at 10 or 11, something sexually inappropriate would happen, or someone would fire up a joint or break out a line of coke or whatever. And the people that were, you know, didn't want any part of that would leave, but the people that wanted to be part of that would stay. And then his entire house was wired for artificial blackmail.

So if you stayed, you got blackmailed. That was it. And I wrote a second book about, I remember a book called Confessions of a DC Madam, the Politics of Sex Lies in blackmail with Henry Vincent. And Henry Vincent used to give, Craig Spence used to get gay escorts from Henry Vincent, he ran a gay escort service.

We're talking in the mid 1980s, Craig Spence was spending $25,000 a month on gay escorts for him and his buddies. King and Spence ran this pedophile network together. And they would get Henry. They'd vencent, and Henry was, and actually there is some commuda elements to this. Henry was a mortician. He had grown up in Southwest West Virginia, and a very religious home.

And he was gay and he had to repress that. And he ultimately became a funeral director of mortgages and moved to Washington, D.C. for his mortuary forciens. And then through just a weird set of circumstances, he... there was a couple of gay mortgages that would hang out at this bar, which was kind of like the gay equivalent to Chippendales. Henry met one of the dancers and they went out for dinner, and the dancer told Henry that the Escort service was up for sale,

because the guy was dying of AIDS. Henry said, well, how much can you make? And the guy said, well, I know, how much can you make? And the guy said, well, you know, I can make it like 1,000. And I, if everything is right, and then Henry said, well, how much is the, is he selling it for? And it was like $13,000. So Henry went from, and Henry's a very shy, guarded guy

who had lived in the closet for all these years. And he just, it was completely out of character for him to do this, but he did it, and he was a very brilliant marketer. What he did was, after he bought it, he called all the numbers in the DC yellow pages under escorts, male escorts. And most escorted agencies are fly by night and they don't pay their phone bill. So Henry would dial one of the numbers and if the number was disconnected, he would call the phone company and say, I will pay the arrears on that phone number. So he ended up with half the numbers in the yellow pages of

Escort Services. He's very brilliant that way with marketing. Anyway, so and everything was going really well for him. He was working as a funeral director and he was making a lot of money at this gay escort service. And then he got a call from Craig Spence, that CIS said. And then King and Spence would have Henry come to Spence's home, and they would pressure Henry to get him children. And he wouldn't do it. He said, you know, I'm not going to, I want no part of that.

And this is kind of interesting. And there's a lot of corroboration about blackmail in the Franklin scale, not just this, but so King and Spence were there and Henry was there and Henry didn't like King at all. And Spence was, I mean they're both sociopaths, but Spence started to ask Henry about his life. You know, where did you grow up and what college did you go to? And Henry, because Spence was so narcissistic, he had size of a narcissism. Henry thought like he was watching the Red Sea Party, that this narcissist was actually taking an interest in him. So, and Spence

started asking him about his escort service and how he ran his escort service. And then all of a sudden, Spencer stood up and he motioned him and and Spencer went into a closet and behind the closet was this compartment and then behind the compartment was a room and it was all monitors. And Henry was there next to Spence and then Spence hit a couple of buttons and then Henry is there. I'm a monitor talking about his escort service. And Spence basically said to him, I blackmail people. You're blackmailed. So that was how Henry got indoctrinated into that. But you know, to his credit, he would not get them children. He just wouldn't, he wouldn't do it. And that ultimately, I think

began to lead to his demise. Because the Department of Justice came after him pretty hard. Wow. Wow. What? Was there any justice served? There none whatsoever. That Franklin network, no one got indicted for molesting any children. And then there was a DC grand jury that covered it all up. Basically, Spence had killed himself.

He's like Epstein. I do think, and now there's people on the internet that speculate that Spence was murdered. I think Spence was told either you kill yourself or will kill you. You can pick the time in the place if you kill yourself. Because his suicide was pretty bizarre. He was in the Boston Ritz-Karlton and dressed in a texito and he overdosed on an anti-abrescent

called Nurtriptyling. But anyway, so there were all these articles about blackmail going down by the Washington Times and then the Washington Post was covering up for the government saying that there was no blackmail. But Henry Vincent, the guy was just running the gay escrow service. And he was indicted on a 46-count regal indictment.

He was looking at 295 years in prison, because what the government was doing was leveraging him. They said, we know what you saw, and we know that you could hurt us. But if you talk, you're going to spend 295 years in prison. So the government made a deal with him. If you talk, you're going to spend 295 years in prison. If you keep your mouth shut, we'll just send you away for five.

So he ultimately kept his mouth shut. And it's amazing, because I needed, he was a very important interview for me when I was doing the Franklin scale. And then he ultimately decided to write a book with me about it, which really gets into the Washington DC side of things. Well, that's, I wanna do a whole episode on that because I think it's important, but I really want to, I just, there's so much going on with the Epstein stuff and it's timely, it's right now.

And so I wanna concentrate on that for the majority of the time here. And I'd like to move into that. But I mean, I'm going to be honest, Nick. I was. I'm worried to take the interview. I'm not going to bullshit you. I mean, I'm a former seal, former CIA guy,

been all over the world doing dangerous shit. And, but this, I mean, I mean, they tried to assassinate the judge that was on the upstein trial, correct? There was someone who's killed her husband and son. Yeah, he was posed as a UPS trial. Yeah, and that was covered up pretty quickly. We never, I never really had the time to get to the bottom of that.

But that's something I'd like. The thing with this is, I've written two books about it. I've been screaming about it from the rooftops for quite some time. Until Epstein came along, no one was telling me seriously, but once Epstein came along and once I published that, like Epstein's black book on the internet, people started to take me seriously. It's something, the toothpaste is coming out of the tube now. And that's why people are willing to take it on. I mean, no one has been more vocal about abstain than me.

And I'm still kicking. So I mean, and that's the thing, the government can't kill all of us. I mean, if the government kills me, they have a martyr. The last thing that they want is a martyr. So, I mean, there was a time when I was running the Franklin scandal. I mean, I think that that's when I was at my most vulnerable. But once the book came out, I felt pretty safe. And then, what I did is every time I got a document, I disseminated it.

Every time I got an interview, I disseminated it. So if something did happen to me, there was gonna be a record of what I was doing. Did you feel like that with the Epstein stuff? With the Epstein stuff, you know, I'd been like, I was kind of an old pro at it, but by the time I came across Abstein. When I got his black book, I knew that that was a little dicey for sure.

But then here's the thing. I went to the mainstream media and I tried to get them to publish the black book and no one would do it. It took me three years to finally get someone to publish that black book, because our media is so it's either compromised or just unbelievably corrupt. Who did publish it? Gawker, which, and Gawker was a website that would take on all kinds of crazy stuff, and they ultimately got sued into oblivion by Peter Tiela, who's a billionaire

of fondet PayPal. And they outed Peter Tiela as a closeted gay guy. And then Peter Tiel let it be known that anybody that litigates against Glocker, he was willing to pay them, pay their entire litigation. And then Glocker ultimately released a video of Hulk Hogan having sex with, I believe the friends of his wife and but I'm not, don't point me on that, but ultimately Hulk Hogan, I got a huge multi-million dollar judgment against Glocker that caused him to crumble.

But they were willing, you know, they did stuff like that, but they were also willing to take stories from guys like me, where no one else would touch it. And once we published that black book, I mean, it was huge. I mean, it got tens of thousands of hits really quickly.

Oh, but, and then I was able to write some articles about it. And, um, and no one else in the mainstream media would have given me that opportunity. I saw that you had a decent article in Vanity Fair, it seemed like, yeah, about me, yeah. But, um, well, before we dive too deep into the Episine stuff, let's take a quick break. And, when we come back, we'll just dig in.

Sounds good. Thank you for listening to the Sean Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to iTunes, and leave the Sean Ryan Show review. We read every review that comes through, and we really appreciate the support. Thank you. Let's get back to the show. All right, Nick. We're back from the break. We're going to dive into

everything that you can tell us about Jeffrey Epstein, just a couple of quick things. So you've been you've been following Epstein since 2012. 2011-2012. Yeah. Epstein was arrested on July 6th, 2019, ironically. Yes. The interview was July 6th. That's weird coincidence. He died August 10th, 2019, roughly one month later, and Epstein pleaded guilty to soliciting underage girls for sex in 2008. He served only just... 13 months in accounting jail.

Yeah, just 13 months. And... And one count. Again, this was a grand jury. And the prosecutor of that grand jury was very Kirschner. And the Palm Beach Police Department had the statements of five minors who had been molested by Epstein, but they also knew, and then there were a number of corroborating statements, but they knew of 23 underage girls that had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.

And Barry Kirschner, the Florida attorney, only called one, and he totally deconstructed her. I mean, he could have called 25. That's, and actually that grand jury didn't even indict him for molesting any girls, and that amount one count of adult pandering. And what happened was Michael Ryder, who is really one of the unsung heroes in the Epstein story, he was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department.

He completely exploded. And he called this the greatest miscarriage of justice in recent history. And he went to the feds. And because he knew of 23 victims, and then he had taken he too. I mean, he'd taken a lot. He'd been harassed. And I think found a dead animal or something like that on his front doorstep. But he's really a good guy.

And the first time I was in Florida, I talked to him. And he'd looked me up on the internet and he saw that I was serious about this stuff and he called me back. He wouldn't let it go. The state wanted to cover it up, the feds wanted to cover it up, but he would not let it go. He made sure that Jeffrey Epstein got at least on one count of solicitation of a minor. It's a molestation of mine. It is hard to believe how many people are aiding and covering this up. Yes.

We don't even know about yet, but let's just start at the beginning. What got your attention on this? How did it go from the Franklin scandal to Epstein? Well, I mean, the Franklin scandal gave me, I researched the Franklin scandal for seven years. And I traveled thousands of miles, read thousands of thousands of miles, read thousands of pages of documentation, talked to a lot of victims,

and I developed a certain expertise in that area, wasn't really trying to initially, but just I felt I had this drive to make sure that the Franklin Scandal got published, that I wrote it and that it got published. And I developed an expertise in that area of child trafficking. So I saw I was reading about Epstein and I read that there were other girls

that knew about Epstein or girls that knew about Epstein, or that came forward about Epstein, but he wasn't that that Grand jury had an indictment on a single count of child molestation. And that's exactly what happened in the Franklin scandal. Nobody was indicted for child molestation. Even though there were a bunch of kids, I had a list of 60 kids that had been involved

in the Franklin scale. So the exact same thing was happening with Epstein. And then so I went down there in 2012 and I started investigating and I ended up with Epstein's black book. And where did you start your investigation? I just, I started calling people that were in bomb. I like I called Michael Ryder.

He was the police chief, the former Palm Beach Police Department, police chief. I called people that had covered it in the newspapers. Was he part of the cover up? Michael Ryder? No, no, he was part of it getting exposed. Okay. He was like Mr. Stand-Up guy and all this. I mean, if it hadn't been for him, we wouldn't be here talking.

Epstein would be rolling right now and and traveling in girls. I'm pretty convinced. But he made such a stink about it that he made sure that the fededs got involved. So then the feds had to cover it up. But when I got Epstein's black book, there was scores of victims. Let's talk about the journey to get his black book. So how did it happen? I mean, I don't think he just show up. Hey, can I take a look at that?

How did you get access to that? You cultivate relationships. Like with the Franklin scandal, I actually got some people in federal law enforcement to give me information. Okay. It took me some time. But once I see that your aim is true

and they don't think that you're gonna snitch on them for helping you, that you're stand up, then they'll help you. And someone took that chance with me and gave me the black book. And then I was down in Florida, and then I started calling, I wanted to get victims first.

I mean, that was my first concern was, because there was like long lists of victims. And so I started calling these victims, and then they started telling me about being flown to different places into his island on with other girls. Well, let's get a little more in depth. So, how many victims did you talk to? At that point, I've talked to, I believe four.

How were they soliciting them? How did the approach happen? With Epstein, Epstein just had, he would get girls and pay them like $200 to get other girls. So, and that's exactly how it works with Franklin, where if you bring someone in, they'll pay you money. Okay. So, and he just had this huge machine

that was fun-ling girls. I mean, he had all these girls and procures looking for other girls. How young did the girls go? So the mainstream media has said 14, but that's not, I don't think that that's true. We're talking as young as 11 or 12. 11 or 12. Yes. as 11 or 12. 11 or 12. Yes. And actually, one of the, I believe that one of the victims that litigated the assumption was 13 at the time. So this is, the mainstream media has

done such a disservice to these girls because it has sanitized that trafficking network. I mean, those girls were younger than 14, definitely. And the viciousness that some of them were subjected to, I mean, some of these, and I saw this in the Franklis scandal, some of these guys like to beat up these little boys or little girls. I mean, and some of these guys are unbelievably powerful.

You would know their names. And that's what they like to do. That's how they get off. Do you know the names? Some of them, yeah. Are they in the black book? Yes. Who are they?

Yes. One of them is a former prime minister and he According to one victim I thought you liked to beat up victims. Why don't you want to say the name? I'm just curious. I Think that just the information that I've given you Is enough for someone to basically determine who he is. Where could they find the names? Okay, so Gawker published the black book. It's online.

If you Google Nick Bryant Gawker black book, it'll be there. It's out there. And actually this gentleman is circled. Alfredo Rodriguez was the house manager. Well hold on, before we get into all that, where were they flying these girls? Were they, I mean, and who would they fly with? These girls were flown everywhere.

And they were flown with politicians. How many at a time? It all depends because we don't really know. I mean, we've got passenger manifests, but it's hard to know how honest. But there was definitely like Alan Dershowitz. He said that he'd never flown with Jeffrey Epstein. He said that he'd never flown with Jeffrey Epstein. And in the article that I wrote for Gwanker, he's on a passenger manifest with Tadeana and Claire and Alan Dershowitz said, I've never molested any of these girls. And then he's nailed though.

I don't know who he is. Alan Dershows is a famous attorney. Okay. That was part of the Jeffrey Epstein network. And he got nailed. I mean, he said that he only flew with, actually, he's one of the most famous attorneys in the world. There's been, I think it was reverse LaFortion.

I thought, Clause von Villa,lo, who was, he was convicted or a reign for killing his very wealthy wife. And Alan Dersch was represented. Oh, great, I'm not sure. So, and he is a, was a leading scholar at Harvard, legal scholar at Harvard. And he was a good scholar at Harvard, legal scholar at Harvard. And he was a good friend of Jeffrey Abstance. And one of the girls that has come forward

and said that she was molested by Andrew Schowitz. Another girl has said that she was in a minor, but she had been panor to Andrew Schowitz. And then another woman has said, another obscene victim has said that. Epstein had a house in New York and that there would be court-unquote model auditions in the second floor. And there would be young girls there.

And allendishowitz went right up the stairs to where the young models were being auditioned. So they would fly these young girls 11 to, let's just say 11 on up. Some of them were 18, 19, 20, 21. I mean, the thing is, Epstein liked girls that were like 13 or 14. But if you wanted someone that was younger, I mean, Epstein is a psychopath. If you wanted someone that was younger, he didn't have any problem with that. If you wanted someone that was older, he didn't have any problem with that either. I mean, he had the type of girls that he liked, but if you were part of that

network, you'd get anything you want. So, where all would they fly him to? The, obviously, his island. Where else? Someone flown to Los Angeles. I've got a bunch of passenger manifests, too. Did he just have houses everywhere? He had houses in Palm Beach. He had a house in New York City. He had the island. Then he had a huge place in New Mexico.

And the girl, there is a girl that has come forward in a deposition and she said that she had been molested by both Bill Richardson and Ambrose King and both of them had been former governors of New Mexico. And actually Bill Richardson was a Democratic high flyer. He was Bill Clinton's energies are. And what's really interesting is, Epstein had a register as a sex offender everywhere except New Mexico. So obviously, some people very high up in the New Mexico political machinery.

We're doing favors for Jeffrey Epstein. And according to one of the victims, she was molested by two former governors of New Mexico. So was everywhere just a, all of his properties were involved in this. It wasn't one specific one no i mean abstin

i think and he had a place in uh... the uk had a place in france i mean that was but this was his business how many girls do you estimate were involved in this from from start to finish? Oh, man, you know, it's tough. Like Epstein, I mean, just himself

was as his addiction accelerated. He was like three girls a day. So, um, but then you get in, so, you know, you're looking at Epstein three girls a day, but then you're looking at all these guys that he panned her girls to. Hundreds? Hundreds. And he was doing, and now granted, like when he probably started in the mid 90s or early 90s,

he wasn't as full throttle as he was in the early 2000s. But he had a run there of 25 years where he was trafficking girls. And just his own personal deviant appetites were three a day. So that kind of gives you an idea of How massive that trafficking network was how did he get started? How did Epstein get started? How did he get started? You know, that's where did he come from?

He comes from Coney Island from a working-class family in Coney Island and I've heard stuff about him that he could have been chosen earlier to be part of this as a young man. So he was a college dropout. And he got a job teaching math at Dalton, which is the most prestigious school in New York City. Who would have recruited him at a young age? I do not know. It's one of those things like with King and Spence, they were in South East Asia and then they come back to America and then they're all of a sudden they're star rises. The same thing with EBSC, we do not know. Who do you have any?

I do not know. William Barr, the attorney general under Donald Trump who covered up Epstein. And actually, he covered up Franklin too because he was the attorney general under Bush one when the Franklin scandal was covered up. So he's a really dirty guy. I mean, and he's been involved

in all kinds of other dirty stuff too. His dad was running Dalton. Surely before Epstein got hired there. So people have speculated that his dad had something to do with Epstein getting hired, but we don't really know. But what's really interesting is William Barr's father wrote a sci-fi novel about intergalactic sex trafficking, which is kind of strange. And then Jeffrey Epstein has a reading at Dalton. And then he gets involved with a number of training companies. And then ultimately, how does he get involved, though?

I mean, that's a thing. He's a college dropout. He gets put on there by bars. I'm sorry, just say bars. Well, people are surmising that it's bar's father who got him a job at the at Dalton. And then he was in Subtrain Company, he was Steve and Hofenberg who got busted.

At that time, Hofenberg was guilty of the largest Ponzi scheme ever. It was before Bernie made off. Now with Huffenburg, Huffenburg, I met with Huffenburg. He is dead now, but he said that Epstein was involved. But Epstein was allowed to skate. But the thing with Huffenburg is, he was a very, very wealthy guy

who did 18 years in prison. And I don't think he came out of prison as the Paragon of Sanity. So I never really knew what to make about what Hanoverg was telling me. It could have been all true. Or I don't know, but I think that he was, I think that Stephen Havonberg was psychologically troubled. And after he got out of prison.

But where Epstein got his big break was in the early 90s, Les Waxner, who is the head of the limited Victoria's Secret multi-billionaire, he gave Epstein the keys to his kingdom, power of attorney, over everything. And Epstein was allowed to do whatever he wanted with the Les Waxner's fortune, and anything he wanted. He was given power of attorney. I mean, but he barely even knew him, correct? This wasn't even like a...

They'd known each other for, I don't know, I mean, five or six years. But I think Les Wexner is a pretty dirty guy. I mean, he's also been named as a perpetrator. And I do believe that he is a perpetrator. And he and Jeffrey Epstein, Les Wexner has a very interesting history. He's got a history with the mafia. There was an attorney that,

who's law firm worked for less Wexner's Limited. His name was Arthur Shapiro and he was shot in the back of the head twice, execution style in Columbus, Ohio, which is where Wexner lives and where the limited is his headboard. So, and so it was very much a mafia hit and there was a police report, a homicide report. I've got it that came out and it named Les Wexner as the chief suspect of that homicide. And it talked about all of Les Wexner's mafia connections, which I was able to

corroborate. The police chief of Columbus ordered that homicide report to be destroyed. And but I got a copy of it. So I'm good at getting stuff. So, but yeah, Les Wexner is the prime suspect as far as being the prime mover of that homicide. Why, according to that homicide report? Why do you think, I mean, what was his fortune? How much was it? Um, he's estimated to be worth at least $4 billion. Why would he, I mean, is it blackmail?

Why would he hand over the keys and give full power of attorney to Jeff Epstein other than blackmail? Do you think it was blackmail? It's either blackmail or they're both into something very sorted together. And here's what people don't understand about Epstein and they didn't understand this about Franklin. Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing some of the most powerful men in the world.

What you gotta do is look at his black book and see that he was blackmailing some of the most powerful men in the world. Now, Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout from working class, Coney Island. Is Jeffrey Epstein gonna be able to blackmail Les Wexner who has connections to the Mafia? There's no way in hell. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein would have a very brief life expectancy if he did that. But the thing about it is,

if he's got an intelligence apparatus behind him, and they make it known to whoever he's lying to, no one touches Jeffrey Epstein, or else pictures are gonna come out, or whatever. I mean, that's the only way that Jeffrey Epstein is able to blackmail. So you think that Jeffrey Epstein had an intelligence organization behind him?

Oh, absolutely. No, not about it. You. intelligence organization or another country. Well, yeah, okay. So people speculate that it was Israeli and not American, but here's the thing about that. And I try to explain it to people. There's no way that American intelligence is going to let Israeli intelligence compromise American politicians without getting a cut of that intelligence. There's just no way. Maybe, I mean, why wouldn't they? Maybe if Jeffrey Epstein has blackmail on literally all these powerful people, I mean,

it seems that they all fold immediately. You know, maybe he had, maybe he had something on the US side of things and they were like, hey, next on the Sean Ryan show. It was a ABC correspondent that got fired who came out and said that she wanted to cover the story and right before she went on to cover it, it was, hey, cut it, we're not doing this. First of all, I was told who's Jeffrey Epstein, no one knows who that is, this is

the stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Print Andrew and threatened us in a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate as well that we that also quashed the story and then and then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes. She told me everything she had pictures. She had everything. She was in hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out.

We convinced her to talk to us. It was unbelievable what we had Clinton, we had everything. I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. I don't even know why anybody who has, I can't even imagine applying for a position at the FBI nowadays. I don't understand what they do. So the FBI had hundreds of DVDs of Epstein. I'm sure a lot of them recover my DVDs and I'm sure a lot of them

were just from child pornography. So they've gone into a black hole. Bye!