Shawn Ryan Show - #88 Chris Miller - The Future of Warfare | Part 3

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Chris Miller is the former Secretary of Defense with a 27 year career in the United States Army. Throughout his career, he oversaw multiple special operations organizations, culminating with his command of the 2nd Battalion, 5th SFG(A). Concluding this three part series, Chris and Shawn discuss the latest developments in the Ukraine / Russia conflict and the implications it has on foreign policy and the United States' standing on the world stage. Chris and Shawn also discuss how warfare has evolved since their time in service and what the future may look like with advancements in technology. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" Chris Miller Links: X / Twitter - https://twitter.com/cmillertigerhwk Book - https://www.amazon.com/Soldier-Secretary-Warnings-Battlefield-Dangerous/dp/1546002448 Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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When you're talking about your enemy, I don't think it's helpful. I think it colors your judgment. I've been here to the gong and I've been very sick. It's very terrifying here. And it just came when you learned that it's your help. This guy was the definition of evil. He was an evil man, bagged at the evil of evil. But everybody's looking for him. His trade craft is really good.

He would burn people alive, he had them, put kids in cages. When our intelligence officers put their mind to it and our special operators put their mind to it, you can run but you can't hide. The announcement comes to the Pentagon that the United States will provide no additional support to Afghan government, and I was like, the war's lost. That's invigorating. Here we are. Yeah, man.

I had a complete meltdown, dude. And I'm supposed to be a well-adjusted veteran, right? I'm like, wow, if I'm feeling this way, can you imagine? Alright, Chris, we're back from the break now. Yeah. And I got a whole slew of topics that I'm gonna go over with. What a speed date, man. You just hit it and all like hit it hard.

Well, let's see. We got future warfare, the industrial, the military industrial complex, Iraq was based on lies, energy weapons, January six, China, Russia. Oh shit, we'll be done by what, 12, 13 and 19. That's only about 10 hours. It might be, we'll get a good dinner.

We'll get a good dinner. So let's just, let's kick it off here. All right. There are so much happening in the world right now, you know, with China, Russia, Ukraine, the border. I mean, Taiwan looks like that's about ready to kick off any day, the COVID, you know, stuff that we're just kind of started to move past,

I think, that pandemic and US dollar seems to be collapsing. I don't know if that's fear. I'm not a finance guy, but it's getting serious, you know this bricks, you know, Yeah, you know Brazil, Russia Yeah India Who else China South Africa, right? We have all these, the deals that have been made. The Chinese just negotiated the deal with Iran and Saudi Arabia, and then they just negotiated another deal with Brazil. It sounds like they're gonna drop the dollar.

What do you think is Americans, what is the United States' biggest external threat right now when you're opinion? I get asked that and I always turn it and I'm like, I think the biggest external threat is actually an internal threat. I think we're spending so freaking much money right now. We're just printing money and what do we add? I don't even know how many trillions of dollars

in debt we are. And I'm not a finance person either. But wow, like checkbook and money coming in, money going out doesn't make any sense to me. And like, oh, you know, you can go to 110% of debt against GDP, nothing to worry about here. And when you get, when you get to 200%, usually your government is going to collapse, your economy is going to collapse. So I'm kind of right there right now. And I think the other stuff spins out from it to tell you the truth.

So like until we get our house and order here, you know, we're just getting taken advantage of. I, you know, if we were looking at this as the opt-4, as the opposition force, you and I were like, let's see how we should screw with America. It would probably be all the things that are happening now that in our in our nation and also we'll go back to Afghanistan. I mean, the way we we pulled out of there, everybody wants to say it was not everybody, but

some people want to say nothing to see there. Just it's one of those things, but I really think that that should our belly to the rest of the world. What happens after that, Sean, you saw it. The Chinese start flying. They were flying just then, back then, they were flying what, 60, 70 fighters towards Taiwan, crossing into the whatever, cross that line and then coming back out. Just testing us, right? It was like the classic bully thing. I think the Russians got I think I think they saw With how we did our withdrawn Afghanistan as a green light. They're like we got this Americans are our week

They miscalculated there. So that that's my my quick answer is I think this internal thing But it comes back to like a lot of the other things you just talked about in your laundry list of 15 things Defense industrial complex. What's her national strategy look like? How do we engage in the world economically? So, well, why do you, what, so, yeah, I said, I said the external threats you brought an internal with our spending.

What, what is that gonna do? Explain that to the audience. What is the, what is the excessive spending? What's going to happen? Well, you just brought up the issues with the dollar is being collapsing collapsing you know our bread and butter pun intended was You know the United the dollar was reserve currency.

You had David McCormack, he knows all this stuff. I'm like you, I just know that it doesn't sound right. And our greatest strength, I believe, is our economic power, right? I also think it's our informational power. I think the vision of America, of what we want it to be, that we all believe in. We don't always achieve it. I got all that. We can go on all day about that.

So I think the informational element of power and the economic element of power are critical. You know, they call it a dime, right? Diplomatic, when we're doing strategy, when you're at the Pentagon, or at the White House, doing strategy, diplomatic, they're four tools of power. Di power, diplomatic information, military, economics, right? And it's how you bring those together is how what your strategy is and what

obviously the first question is what are we trying to do with the world, right? And it comes that's why I thought the last administration was neo-isolationists, which was like pull everything back in. Let's get our house in order here before we start going off and trying to fix the rest of the world. Because like your business, business people, what do you do when things are unstable and chaotic, you hedge? Don't put any bet too big on any one thing. Do a little here, do a little there,

see how things work out. So I'm worried right now we're too heavily invested in the military, right? So are the amount of money that we can spend in the United States, they call it discretionary spending, meaning it's not tied up in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the rest of the budget. I looked this up online and it was the government accounting

officer. Like 60% goes to the military. You can't even find out how much goes to information. Diplomacies, couple percent, maybe 6%, economics is department of treasury, really hard to nail that down. I'm like, let's go ahead and recalibrate a little and let's put more into economics, let's put more into information, let's put more into diplomacy. That's my thing. And so that's why I think it's incumbent that we were too strategic over reach, they call it, you know, we're engaged in too many places. It's collapsing in a little bit, just like you're running your business.

Well, hey, gonna be a loss in advertiser, my income stream's gonna drop by this much, I'm gonna have to make adjustments in something else. That's where I think we should be right now. That make any sense? Yeah, there's that too like talking point-ish. No, it does. And, you know,

changing course a little bit, we're, we're just talking about the Chinese Afghanistan. I mean, I feel like we must have a tremendous opportunity there with the lithium. The Chinese were there to negotiate those lithium minerals before. What was that about? Why didn't yeah? Was there... Do you think there was a big... Are you're thinking, was there some sort of big play with all these companies, these corporate elements? I'm wondering why we didn't make some kind of deal with the Afghan government on bringing that lithium to light and making batteries, especially with this big green initiative. I don't know if that was ever on the table.

You would be obviously more previous to that information than myself, but it seems to me we missed a major business opportunity with the world by not utilizing the lithium and Afghanistan after we'd been there for 20 years. Then we leave before we're even out China is there no negotiate the stuff with the Afghan government. Makes you wonder, I mean, do you have any insight on that? So the negotiations with the Taliban were really, really close hold, super close hold. I felt like I had a little bit of insight, but the guy at the time was this diplomat called

the Zal Khalil Azad. He was doing that. I don't know who he was talking to, whether he was talking to Pompeo, but the details, I think you're onto something though. That's like the art of diplomacy is there had to be some way to do something with that. Because remember, they identified that early on, the rare earth minerals in Afghanistan,

there's that deposit just up there on their border of China. It's just huge, right? Yeah. I mean, I guess what I'm getting at is, yeah, I'm going to poke and blame the Biden administration for botching that entire thing. Let's take the everything out, you know, everything that happened out of it. The Chinese were there to negotiate that. We knew that they had that. We have this massive green initiative that the government's trying to push right now. So why wouldn't we show interest in those lithium deposits?

Why would we let China come in and just take over that to produce the stuff that we're going to have to buy from them eventually? It doesn't make any sense to me. And so a lot of people chalk this up to incompetence. There's so many things that are happening right now that seem to be chalked up to incompetence that I don't believe it's incompetence anymore. I believe it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it kind of asking you is at the end of the Trump administration, you were there was in there were two other administrations, you know, to mean that they could have done something with this, the Obama administration, the Bush administration, I mean, we have four administrations that had a hand in this, was there ever, to your knowledge, any talk about some kind of a deal with Afghanistan

to, to, to do something with all these lithium deposits? I thought there was early on when that, those deposits were identified. I don't know. I don't know. There's, you said it at the start though. It is factual that a lot of Democrats, foreign policy and national security people, were either by philosophy or economically tied to a partnering with the Chinese for years

and years and years. So I don't know. But I wonder if the current crew, it's undeniable if you look at their forms and who they've worked with in the past and their consulting organizations, it's undeniable that they were receiving a lot of money from Chinese interests, right? Isn't it irrefutable? Exactly. You know, and that's, I guess, my, yes, it is.

And yes, I do deep down, I believe that this shit was intentional. I believe that, I just, what I believe, I believe that China has so much influence over the current administration, that that's why I believe. I believe that China has so much influence over the current administration that that's what had happened. But I guess at the same time, I always like to play devil's advocate and I would like to disprove myself. I do too. And so what I'm getting at is, was there any plan, you know, I mean, because we were trying to bring stability to Afghanistan as well, correct?

Yeah. We didn't want to export heroin, you know, that was Afghanistan as well, correct? Yeah. We didn't want to export in heroin, you know? That was their main export, correct? Yep. So why not lift up lithium and drop heroin, you know what I mean? And that could have helped stabilize that portion of the world. Yeah, better than the ones that we've already had.

Yeah. And it seems like, you know, looking back, I've never heard anybody talk about it. And so I'm wondering if all four administrations completely dropped the ball on this shit. Could be, I don't know. I just remember that time where they did the survey, you know, they brought in mineralogists

or whatever, surveyors and like, there's a crap ton, like billions and billions of dollars worth, right? Trillions, was it trillions? I can't remember in Afghanistan. And that's the last I remember. Okay, it just, it seems, yeah, it seems odd that we poured that much money, that much sacrifice, that much, you know, time into that place and then bam, just on, it just seemed like it was just

on a whim, like, hey, you know what, we're gonna pull out in a couple hours. And that was it. So beats me. No clue. No clue, sorry, serious face. Got nothing. All right.

You know, I've got no internal odd and if I knew something, I'd pop off. Well, I've heard you talk about external threats and this is where I was going before you brought in the excessive spending, which I personally would consider an internal threat. I've heard you say that the biggest threat to the United States right now is

the fentanyl crisis. Why do you think that? Over everything else, over China, over Russia, over all the other things that we're facing. First meeting, I got to go into the Oval Office was on, it was right before Christmas. I can't remember what year it was, was probably 2019. The, there, a Mormon segment had been attacked and a bunch of people had been killed. Americans had been killed.

Do you remember that right in the border? And then one of the drunk cartels took over a town in the south of Mexico and just like was basically took a town over. And I got invited to be in the chief seats in the Oval Office, which I'd never been into for a meeting. And I was like, oh hell yeah, I'm going to this thing because I was doing transnational threats as well as counter terrorism. Went in there and the subject, oh you know what it was? It was the same day that Saudi pilot down at Pensacola

shot killed I think three people. Do you remember that terrorist attack? So that's the day. I can't remember, but I remember that event and went in there and presidents at his desk. And then he had all the cabinet advisors lined up and chairs in front of him, like school, that's how we did the thing.

I got the sit on one of the couches that you see like you know, I'm a nobody right. Like yeah you can go. And then I found out later I wasn't supposed to be in there but I just walked in anyhow so whatever. And at the time the president, 77,000 Americans are being killed each year due to illicit drugs coming in from south of the border. And we're not doing much about it. And I want to fix that. And that was his point about, what do we have the military for

if it's not to defend our borders? And I've been working with a partner on getting additional department of defense, military support and the border. And one of the key things that the military wanted and the counter drug people wanted was the simple radar. That if they had this radar, it was expensive radar, but it doesn't matter. It's in the system, right? They wanted this radar, and that would help them see this whole different quadrant of the Caribbean track aircraft coming in. And right now we were kind of blind.

The Department of Defense was like, we can't give you that radar, like why not? They said because we pivoted and we're focusing on China, Asia, Indo-Pacific. Like, no, no, no, no. Seven-seven thousand Americans are being killed every year. That radar couldn't produce the amount of that. Fought them, kicking and screaming.

You would have thought that it was the, like, we were going to, like, kick them out of the Pentagon or something. That was my first wake-up call, but the president brought up 77,000. Of course, it got politicized. Oh, this is just another play to shut down the border, build the wall, whatever the hell all that stuff was. But it wasn't. It was focused on the fact that how many Americans were killed in our, in our 20-year war, it's500 7000, Vietnam War what? 60,000. Every year, 77,000, you know what it is this year? You know it is 117,000. It's going to be over 100,000. 117,000 Americans died this year, primarily because

of Fentanyl, of course, Chinese produced, started there, although they're making a crap out of that now down in South, aren't they? So, China's sending in chemists to teach these cartels how to make that shit, and supplying and bringing the supplies to make it. Isn't that inherently governmental function for the military is to secure our border? Am I missing something here? That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Am I missing something? But then you get the military. So like, oh no, we have to focus on high end war fighting near what do they call it? Great power competition. That's what the buzzword is now. We have to focus on great end war fighting, near what do they call it? Pure great power competition. That's what the buzzword is now. We have to focus on great power competition. We have to focus on Asia and Indo-Paycom

and China and all this crap. I'm like, no, the threats coming in across our border to the South, let's use our military capabilities to defend against that that's killing this many people. So I, I, I'm still like gobsmacked about like why we're not doing more. And then you know the command, the military command that kind of is responsible for the border, there two ones northern command, which is kind of border, but the border. There are two, one's Northern command, which is kind of border, but the other one is called Southern command,

which is in Miami that does Latin America, you know? They're the most under-resourced command. Like all the money goes to the Middle East and goes to the Pacific, and these people get table scraps, but there's something interesting happening down there, Sean. And let's, if you don't mind, the innovation piece, they have no money

and you talked about it earlier. When you don't have any money, you have to figure stuff out. They are doing the most interesting things with artificial intelligence, machine learning, data analytics. They're learning how to use cheap sensors and platforms because they don't get anything. So there's something really interesting going on down there. We can come

back to that later, but this fentanyl thing like, my thing is a regular warfare. It's conventional warfare, right? Tanks, planes, ships, you know, clashes of arms, you know, like huge World War II battles. There's a thing called a regular warfare, which is where you're fighting. It's not conventional. It's not like that. You're fighting for the will and the spirit of the people. And you're using different tools.

You're using cyber. You're using psychological warfare, information operations. You're using, you're using your special operations forces to help local police forces, local constabulary, co-scarred military forces to become professional and also to protect, you know, advance our goals. In this case, ace No more drugs coming in out of your country and You know, I taught about strategic overreach so your listeners are like this guy said one one on one hand He's like come back home The nuance in my argument is no we need to have small

Elements of the intelligence community and special operators, very small, out there sensing, learning, supporting, and when needed, bringing in additional capability, whether that's from the State Department, whether that's like loan programs from the Treasury Department, so that they're out there, so that's kind of where you can save money, bring everybody home, but still keep your sensors out there.

But with the fentanyl thing, you know, that's the, that, you know, the Chinese have that doctrine total war, book by those kernels, I read that thing. Wouldn't it come out like 90s or something, right? And they basically promulgated when you're engaged with an enemy, and in this case, we're the enemy, everything's on the table. You know how we think about war, tanks, ships, planes, people walking around in uniform. They're like, no, it's economics, it's disinformation, it's everything, it's communications, everything is used to advance your goals. And this fentanyl thing, there's some writers that have come out with it, but it hasn't really been embraced yet. that when this is all said and done, we're going to go like, that was an absolutely deliberate

part of their total war campaign to undermine the United States. You're there, aren't you? Absolutely. Yeah, it's happening. It's undeniable. So how do we fix this? One, hold on, let me backtrack. Why I don't understand how this is not a bipartisan initiative to secure this border. You know, at the beginning, I was like, all right, they, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the liberal bleeding heart. They care about everybody, right? That, that, that, that's used to be what I think about that side.

It's, all right. They just, they want to take care of everybody. It's all peace, love, all that kind of stuff, right? Which doesn't work everywhere. But then, new administration comes in. We have more people in the camps, you know, just spreading COVID, rampant. You got all these kids separated from their parents. All this information is coming out that the border crisis has gotten worse.

More people are in the camps. More people are dying. There's more trafficking going on. There's more sex trafficking. there's more drug trafficking. So you can't really give me the humanitarian argument anymore. Nobody's doing anything to make it maybe a little bit easier to come into the country legally, you know, for the good people that want to be here. We obviously need workers. It's getting hard to find Americans that want to get off their ass and go to work, right? And, but nothing's being done. That's not happening. They're not easing up any immigration, more whatever. I'm

not going to go over it all again. But so I'm not buying the whole humanitarian aspect on why we're not securing the border. So why don't they want to secure the border? I, it's beyond me. You know where I'm gonna go with this, because I'm gonna go with this political dysfunction and I'm not about like my wife's like it's all over, and like I don't even know why we bother anymore,

declining power Just embrace it, you know circling the drain and of course I'm like no yeah, and I Don't want to go like I'm not a politician, right? Mm-hmm. So I hate to go there, but what the heck this you show you cover a lot of stuff We need a change man. We need need a change in leaders in our, how many, it's, there are a bunch of geriatrics right now.

Yeah. I mean, come on. Next generation up to you. To your generation, we gotta do something. Do you think that, I gotta, I'm not giving up hope. I was really hoping that more veterans would answer the call. I think we got like 68, 80 veterans serving in elected positions.

You know, after Watergate, after we lost the war in Vietnam, 73 was a huge change where they basically like kicked everybody out and started over. Biden got elected then. Whole generation came up with change and we're gonna reinvent this country. You can argue about the success they had. I was really hoping that that was gonna happen because I have people are, I don't know,

maybe I'm missing it, maybe I'm missing it. I must be missing it. It's just like, come on, we can do so much better and why aren't we doing that? Are we just so in love with our little world of, you know, our cell phone and our Netflix that we're just getting, just getting the opiate of the mass is not religion, it's Netflix.

But that's where I am because I just, like, this is a bipartisan issue. And I'm with, if I could, I'm gonna yell that, I'll get all sorts of hate mail. There needs to be, why can't we update our immigration system? If somebody wants to come to the United States, they pass greenine,

why wouldn't we embrace that? I don't get it. I don't either. You know, I actually, I want to seriously, Sean, what are we missing? I don't understand it either. I went down, I went down. Seriously, Sean, what are we missing? I don't understand it either. I went down to one of those border camps

and pulled some immigrants out and interviewed them at a coffee shop. And that if it's been about a year since I did this, so my numbers might be off a little bit. But if I remember correctly, this guy, he had made the track from Honduras. He's been living in a tent for, I believe, two years with his wife.

You know, he makes money. He has a little cell phone charger, like one of those battery-seller ones, and he runs around and sells power to anybody else in the camp for like 25 cents to make money. He's been waiting there for an approval for his immigration. Sounds like our kind of guy. Yeah, for over two years.

And all he wants to do is come and work. Now all he would have to do is walk about five miles east and cross the border, but he doesn't want to. He wants to do it right. You know, and so in my mind, I'm like, I didn't, I, that's one, two specimens out of the entire camp, you know what I mean? But what I'm saying is, you, we see it. You see it everywhere you go.

You see illegal immigrants working. They're doing longcare. They're working factories. They're doing longcare, they're working factories, they're cleaning, they're, you know, they're doing blue collar jobs and they're doing them very well because no Americans, Americans think they're too good to do this shit now, you know, and so why aren't they lifting the policies up a little bit to let these people in, to like the good ones. And yeah, maybe there are a lot of good ones coming in

illegally, but make them like bring them in legally. That's more tax dollars, right? And, but they're not, they're not doing anything. There's nothing happening. Nothing is happening. It's just one side batten it back this way. And then the other side bats it back this way, nothing happens. And so I just don't understand any of it. But what was, did

you have a plan for this for the border for the fentanyl crisis? It, so it was really, really developmental. But there was, I was very much involved with some other people and what would this look like? Because we'd done this before. Remember, probably the first use was it, was it Delta Force? Their first kind of coming out was a Pablo Escobar,

who was the Colombian that? Escobar. Was Escobar? Remember they the Colombian that... Escobar. Was Escobar? Remember, we had people down there for years helping assist with the search. And so that's another one. Isn't this a special operations mission? I'll tell you what,

fellas, men and women in special operations right now are sitting around with their, sitting on their hands, bored to tears. So we go from, you know, just burning down the entire organization to now we got the next generation who came in because they want to go deploy sitting on their hands. And I said, so we've got a threat to the South. This is an ideal use of all these things we've learned in counterterrorism about manhunting and how to, learned in counterterrorism about manhunting and how to, you know, and because really manhunting can be applied to so many different things,

you know, fentanyl, drug distributors, it's networks, right? It's networks, you know this. It's figuring out networks. We've mastered that. Our special operations forces have mastered that. Why isn't this a mission for them? Why not go down? Now, Mexico is a different problem because that guy's taken over that damn country. What's his face? Oh, what an amla. That guy's becoming a dictator, but that's neither here or there. So they're very nationalistic. We don't want your help.

You just screw everything up. We've got a drug war because of you guys. All this stuff they say. I believe that to a point, but not enough. There's other stuff going on there, right? A lot of people get paid, obviously. But the rest of the world, or rest of Latin America, why wouldn't we use our military capabilities sensors? Come on, man.

We can, we can track those submersibles. Have you ever seen any of those? I haven't. The homemade ones? Oh my gosh, like the homemade sub. The homemade sub. Yes, I have, Sam. Who?

That's some innovation there. We can track all that stuff, right? But we made a decision not to put the resources against it. And I don't know why we have made that decision. Our plan, where we were going, was to dedicate more resources, military resources, as well as judicial. At the end of the day,

judicial branch DOJ ended up doing a lot, you know? But we thought that we could accelerate and we could amplify their legal means through intelligence collection, training of local forces and interdiction and change the narrative. You brought it up, shit was coming across from China. We had all our stuff, it was so funny, we'd have all our sensors.

We had this thing set up perfectly for marijuana and cocaine and all our stuff. It was so funny. We'd have all our sensors. We had this thing set up perfectly for marijuana and cocaine and all that crap. Then all of a sudden you got freighters coming across that are commercial freighters that are not part of the of the sensor in assessment network, right? So we had to rejigger that. So that's where we were going with this You know, the president said some very, very provocative things during these discussions and everybody took him at face value. But, you know, the president was a real, he's a real estate guy. So in these New York, so he's always going to challenge you. And he was like the classic old boss. I had grown up, I don't know if you had him,

that would always be challenging you, but if you stood up and you answered, they were just checking your homework. And he'd say some provocative stuff. I'll tell you what he said. It's already public. He goes, hey, you guys got all those cruise missiles, got all these great fighter aircraft one,

we just go bomb all these drug labs. Yes question, why don't we? Mr. President, we absolutely can do that. Be a violation of sovereign nation. We probably have enough intelligence that we can. There's gonna be a lot of collateral damage and gonna be a lot of collateral damage and Gonna be a lot of blowback on that we're gonna kill some innocent people and whatnot. Yeah, okay

Just asking the question. I think it's a good question to ask isn't it? Yeah, we've got all these precision guide immunizations You release it's at least it's starting a discussion Yeah, but everybody like he's crazy. He wants to bomb Mexico. No, he was he was pushing. Yeah. I mean, why isn't this why isn't this at the forefront? You know, we have so There's this disconnect between Republicans and Democrats and everybody knows of we're dividing. It's it's ridiculous. You know, but What do we hear? We hear But what do we hear? We hear how bad the poverty is, the homeless situation, the deaths, 100, what'd you say, 170,000? 170,000 I want to say.

You know what I mean? And supposedly, I mean, who doesn't want to be on the humanitarian mission for our own country, right? Well, you want to fix the humanitarian problem that we're having right now, then you fix the fucking fentanyl crisis. You know, that takes care of a lot of the homelessness, that takes care of a lot of broken families. That is going... You imagine, could you imagine, like, if some, if we had a leader that just described it

the way you did, that we're gonna come together as a country, and just the way you describe it, where do I sign up? My kids would be like, yeah, I'll go do whatever I need to do. Where do you need me? Need me in a work and hair here? You could absolutely rally. Couldn't you rally the country behind that?

Or we just don't have a good style. I mean, I have a good style. You're younger than I am. I would think so. I mean, that's what I want, but nothing is happening. And so let's dive in. How would we fix it? Would you, will we fix our border in Mexico

or would we fix our border by operating within our own border? You got to push it out. That's why you can criticize me for like, oh, you want a strategic overreach. Strategic overreach is when you're doing stuff where in places you don't need to be. This is clearly not one of those cases. So, and I'm not gonna, like we can't boil the ocean, you know, like, oh, if there is a better economy in El Salvador, there wouldn't be all these problems here. So, you know, you can only do so much, but,

we have the resources. Let's see, is it $868 billion a year goes to defense $868 billion with a B. Let's just call it a trillion because you throw in all the intel agencies and we'll call it a trillion. trillion. So we can't shift resources to a more holistic and I'm not saying like, oh, we need to have childcare facilities on every block. We need to provide a job there. Everybody, that's not what I'm saying. But selectively, targeted program, I bet you the network analysis we can find out where the key nodes are to either attack, kinetically, or to attack with programs money people. I just bet you we could. But let's be, come on, it starts with interdiction.

If you can get, that's the problem with this fentanyl, holy crap, you can get like, so easy to hide. I mean, I don't even think we would need a covert action. You know, I mean, look the Nord Stream pipeline just blew up. Nobody knows who did it, right? Maybe it was us. Maybe it was somebody else. I don't know who the hell it was, but Maybe it was us, maybe it was somebody else. I don't know who the hell it was, but why can't we go back to the old school days? Like the USS, you know, and things like, what is it? What is all these, what are all these transaction going and cash?

You know, there's all this human trafficking shit. There's smuggling stuff, guns. You want to hear lots of guns. Why can't we maybe, I don't know, put some kind of device in the weapon. And so I totally do. All this shit is doable. We just as much go on your trigger me. You're triggering me. You're triggering me. There's just as much going from the, from the US into Mexico. Well, I guess I shouldn't say there's just as much because I don't know, but there's a lot of things, money, people, guns smuggled into Mexico from the US that we could, I don't know, maybe plant something in, knowing where it's going, and then that location is now done. If we don't have to, we don't take accountability for anything in this country anymore.

Why the hell, you know? You're triggering me because I got really deep into this planning stuff. Like went to a real dark place. I'm just learning everything I can. I'm talking to everybody, any organization in government, and you brought up gun flow. That was one of the biggest issues, and the Mexicans would be like,

you guys, you guys just like guns flowing into our country. Not my problem, I check this out, and I won't tell where, because then I hope it's been fixed. Something as simple as license plate readers. So it was a state that will remain nameless. Border crossings had license plate readers for all vehicles coming from America crossing in. vehicles coming from America crossing it. Then you could do pattern recognition by seeing what came back out. And you could do, they put it in the Google later and figure out like, holy shit, here are 15 vehicles that clearly are doing something illicit. We don't know what it is, but now we're going to go ahead and focus on it.

You know what happened? to go ahead and focus on it. You know what happened? Had to remove those cameras facing north because it was some lawyers decided that that could be interpreted as a violation of American civil liberties and illegal search. Illegal search.

Dude, I'm not making this up man. I hope it's been fixed by now. But so that was where we were. Okay, we need to get that fixed number one. Here we have these huge ideas, right? We're like, oh my gosh, we can interdict here. We can do all these things. We can play these cartels off against each other.

You know, doing all that stuff and it came down to like, can we get, you go down there and talk to an officer on the border, like what do you need? Like can we just get those cameras back? It's in the North, something as simple as that. So you kind of triggered me on the gun flow. It's, I don't know if it's any better now, but we didn't get it solved.

Yeah. If there's anything else we can do to fix this, or do you think it'll ever be fixed? to fix this or do you think it'll ever be fixed? What do you think about the idea of legalizing drugs? Do you, there's an argument saying that would end this? Man, I don't know, I'm still, I'm still juries out on that one for me. You know, marijuana legal in DC now.

I don't really, I'm kind of libertarian. I don't care, you know, I'm like, do what you want. It's, yeah, I don't think it's a big deal. But then the legalized drugs, I can just got instinctually, it's kind of this iconoclastic libertarian, I'm kind of like, I'm not a libertarian, but kind of, you know, do what you want. Just don't do it. So you screw with me or my family.

I don't gonna shit what you do in your home. My instincts are to say yes initially, but aren't the Dutch, aren't they rolling back all their legalization stuff after how many years? I honestly have no idea. I don't know. I don't know, man. They talk about the longest war was the war on drugs, right? We haven't clearly, that's the thing. We're losing that one, too.

Could we do something about it, is your answer? I think, I think if we mobilize, I think we can't. I absolutely do. Well, if we, why haven't we done it already? I can hear the counter argument. I don't think we really tried. Now, I don't think we have either. It's kind of half-ass, just enough to keep,

keep the politicians so they can get reelected. All right, that sounded pretty cynical, didn't it? Yeah, I mean, I believe you would mention this ties under the industrial military complex, or the military industrial complex. Yeah. So is that, Well, just the deficit spending and the fact that we're spending so much on defense. I think some people argue with me, but I think right now we're spending more money and peacetime on the military than we ever have before.

You get this counter argument, they're like, but you have to understand Chris, the economy is bigger. So the way we should measure defense spending is a percentage of gross domestic product. Like, I'm like, okay, we need to have a flat rate right now. It's 2.8%. We need to increase to 3% regardless. Now, I love that when that's a cute approach for them that advocate for this. This is all the rage right now. It should be a percentage of GDP

because that's how we should calculate this. Now, if GDP falls, I wanna see what they say. You know, like, oh, it's good as long as GDP keeps going up, but what happens if you have something happening, you have a donut hole and we collapse for COVID or something like that, GDP drops? What are they gonna say then? Because their budget's gonna go from a trillion dollars a year

to the 800 billion and they're gonna scream bloody murder. But the point of that is, you know, you're talking about the future, you're talking about China, Ukraine, all this stuff. I just think we're organized incorrectly as a military. We're still in this industrial age. Aircraft carrier is 14 billion copies, plans at $35, $1.5 trillion, life of the program. That's not the future of warfare, right?

Right now, sensors and the ability to target and take down offensive weapon systems is so cheap now, right? That's like, would you want to fly a helicopter over you over Dinesque right now? No. Why not? I know, you know what I'm saying. Right? Yeah. Cause some dudes gonna jump out of a dug out

or from a garage and shoot your ass down with, so you're flying, what's in a patch you go for? Well, let's use what they're flying. They're flying Russian made. I think those things go for like $18, $20 million as a copy, right? You hear that crap? Some kids are gonna jump out with the shoulder fired missile and drop you Unless you're flying at 25,000 feet and then you can't do anything, right? If you're at 25,000 feet

You're not gonna can't see your target, right? So if you're flying low, you are going to get shot down, right? Mm-hmm. end of story. So How do you counteract that? We're changing from the power of the offense, you know, World War II, everything, blitzkrieg. We're going back to like World War I where defense is more powerful and it always rotates, you know that. It always like flip flops back and forth based on technology tactics strategy and all that

Seems to me that we're flipping back to where the defense is more powerful so Because like look where are phones. I mean Dude, I bet you we could pull up wherever United States arm United States Navy carrier is probably online right now You think we could I bet you're could. I bet you we could. Now 20 years ago, that was top secret information, right? Like, oh my God, we were the only handful of said satellites.

Shit, you can get commercials satellite coverage. Now you can go to Max R, right? Say, hey, I'll buy all the imagery of this port, this port, this port, this port, and you can see, you can see where ships are. Pretty easy. So that's kind of my, that's my thing is, this port, this port, this port, and you can see where ships are. Pretty easy. So that's kind of my, that's my thing is, we're preparing our military for the wrong thing.

We're just the military industrial complex. I know I'm talking too much. Now you got me fired up. I said the funniest thing one time off the record that ended up going on the record where I was talking about the military industrial complex, F-35s, I said all this stuff. I thought it was pretty funny. Of course, Lockheed Martin and other thing, it was funny, the producers of these aircraft.

I used to get really, really angry at the major defense contractors that are making these exquisite weapons systems. Like, hugely expensive, gold plated. Oh my gosh, thinking, cook your toast in the morning, launch a dog on anti-satellite missile in the afternoon and in the evening, it can move across country and take out some tanks. I mean, these things are amazing, right? They're incredibly expensive.

I used to get really, really angry at them. And then I recently, it's like, wait a second, pull your head out of your ass. They're doing exactly what the system has incentivizing. Does that make sense? It does. It's like, dude, it was like slapped to the head I'm an idiot, stop bitching about these companies that are fleecing the American public. They're doing exactly what the structure and the system has incentivized them to do. I was like, system has incentivized them to do. I was like, okay, so stop hating on them and understand more. So what do we do is the question. So we change where the money's coming from.

Yeah, we'll give them a new incentive. Got to change the incentive structure. Okay, you brought up a whole bunch of companies earlier. People that have started their own companies, that's my gig now. It's like these small companies that have really patriotic people that are started their own companies. That's my gig now. It's like these small companies that have really patriotic people that are doing great work. They want to contribute to the national defense. Have these incredible products. You name it, artificial intelligence,

oh, circuitry, you know, all this sensors, drones, counter drone, this sensors, drones, counter drone, go down the list. We just go down the list all day long. They can't get in the game because the way that incentive structure is, there are people that are trying to change it, but there has to be full scale, rescoping of how we spend our defense dollars. All right.

You're a GS-13, which is kind of a mid-level bureaucrat at the Pentagon. You're responsible for getting new, you're responsible for the new innovative boot for the army. And you have a choice between a company that has this great technology, great materials, great vision of how to do this and they're small and scrappy, or you can go to Wolverine,

the biggest shoe manufacturer I'm making this up, but one of the greatest shoe manufacturers in the world that's going to make an inferior product, but you know it's going to get delivered on time. Or if something goes wrong and it doesn't get delivered on time or the quality is bad, and your boss comes down to chew your ass, and you go, hey, I went with Wolverine, it's the world's largest shoe producer. Oh, okay. Now, what if you said, oh, I went with Wolverine. It's the world's largest shoe producer. Oh, okay. Now, what if you said, oh, I went with ABC footwear

out of, you know, Dubuque Iowa, and they couldn't deliver. You're gonna get fired. But if you go with the main one, in this case, like a defense major defense company, Lockheed Martin. Like, you go with Lockheed Martin and they fail, you don't get fired because the incentive structure, like, oh yeah,

that happens, no big deal. If you go with some company down here in Franklin that has an innovative technology and it's new and it doesn't work exactly right, Congress is gonna come in and yell at the Pentagon. The Pentagon, the poor person that's up on the hill getting yelled at, why did you go with Franklin semi-conductor when you could have gone with Raytheon?

And they're like, oh, because these guys, they're dead best. We gotta flip that. That make any sense, or was that too like dorky? I think it makes sense. You're saying go after the most innovative, change your incentive structure too. Allow the program, the person in the government that is cutting the contract, allow them to fail once in a while and don't fire them. Work with the smaller companies and some of our perfect success.

Yes. I mean, so there needs to be some type of liaison that work between business and government rather than just writhing on Lockheed, Boeing, what's the other one? There you go. Yeah.

But, yeah, that's why I was trying to get at. Makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of sense. What do you think the future of warfare looks like? Anybody that predicts is fully shit. You know? Well, I mean, I'm,

but you gotta make some assumptions, right? Well, we had talked, we had spoke a little bit offline about it and I was gonna give you my answer. Oh, we had talked, we had spoke a little bit offline about it and. Oh, I was going to give you my answer. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, we're seeing, we're seeing war, I believe we're seeing warfare right now. I believe we're seeing a huge propaganda war. We had spoke, well, let's hear what you have. No, I want to hear what you guys. As far as warfare is concerned, I think, I think we're in the middle of a war right now, and I think people don't realize it.

I think the fentanyl thing is part of the war. I think the buying our politicians out is part of the war. I think the TikTok and propaganda thing that's going on is part of the war. I think the disinformation thing is part of the war. I think all the bots that are interacting with social media outlets is part of the war, all the, all the, you know what I'm talking about, right? All the Twitter bots, the Instagram bots, because it fires the population up. It divides us. I think I think that the big push on these on the racism, the trends, I think all of that is part of the propaganda that's part of the war.

And I think we've spoken about this earlier and we'll get into it again. I think that there's a possibility that all of these chemical spills and contaminated water and food processing plants that are catching fire and blowing up and the 18,000 heads of cattle that just blew up. I think that's all part of the war. I think it's, I think they're hitting us from every angle possible, except an actual force on force. There I would confirm. You know, my smart ass remark was going to be, and how good is a M1 main battle tank or an F-35 or a four class aircraft carrier to deterring any of those activities that you just said? It's completely worthless. Completely worthless. So we continue to invest in these miraculous weapon systems that won the Cold War, one World War II,

won their new ones now, obviously, but that kind of mentality, right? And success is going to come off a silicon. It's going to come across from what's between our ears, and that's my whole irregular warfare thing. Is why are we fighting them the way they want us to fight them? Why don't we fight the way we fight which is use their tools back against them which we can do. Information operations, come on man, we can sell, we literally, we can sell soap to people that don't need, or that's a bad example. I wasn't going to, you know, I'm trying to be careful what I say because that don't need, or that's a bad example. I wasn't gonna, you know, I'm trying to be careful what I say because you don't want to say something crazy.

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right? So, why fight? The way the Chinese want us to fight is, you know, they want us to prepare for this huge four-son-fourth confrontation. I don't think they ever plan to do that. I don't know either. I think they're just laughing all the way to the bank. Americans, we have hypersonic missiles.

Now, I think going to Taiwan, they're gonna have to have a conventional thing get there, right? I mean, that's gonna be a little kind of D-day thing, whatever. Let's take that one, But when we get to competition worldwide, it's like they're using money, they're using all these tools, disinformation, misinformation, the things that you set. So here's what I'm rambling, but you just, it's like, we're doing exactly what they want us to do, which is invest in these huge weapon systems.

$14 billion for an aircraft carrier. It can be defeated by a missile, a hypersonic missile. I don't even know what that costs, like a million. It's still a little steep. But you asked about the future of warfare. I also, so I'm with you, like we have to use their tools back against them. Let's just use a quick example. If you're totalitarian, authoritarian regime,

what's your biggest fear? It's popular unrest, right? So you need to have the population, because you're tyrants at the end of the day, right? I mean, you're totalitarian regime. You need to keep your population complacent. You can't have them rising up. That's bad for your governing longevity, right?

So is, they need to have an enemy, right? Every totalitarian regime has to have an enemy. Right, every totalitarian regime has to have an enemy that they can point to their people and say the reason that we're acting the way we are is because those people mean to destroy us. So you need to support us. So every time we go with this big conventional, you know, we need to put more tanks here,

we need to put more aircraft carriers here, plays exactly into their narrative that they're using with their population, show us as the aggressor. So why do we do that? Why do we get? Why do we feed their mechanism for maintaining control? Let's do something else differently. Let's not use that. Let's use, like, there's a huge population in China that wants to break away. Why don't we support them?

Why don't we use, like, oh, can I give you a quick one? Here's one for you. The COVID thing, when that broke, I was at the Pentagon, and I was in charge of information operations. This is civilian. And the Chinese right away just started hammering us. Like, there was this one thing where they accused an athlete, an Olympic athlete that was an American soldier. I can't remember how they did it, but somehow she'd traveled and they like blamed it on her

or some crap. And you could see the disinformation coming out, like you could just see it real-time. And they were using the bots. I mean, they were just flooding the zone with incorrect information. You wanna know how long it took for us to respond? I went to the first meeting, 30 days after,

what really triggered it, I forgot the details, but when they accused this woman soldier that was in the Olympic training program, a bike writer, I want to say, as soon as they blamed her, it became my problem because now it was a military person before it had just focused on other stuff. So now I have a, I, I, we, the Pentagon have skin in the game. So we got involved. I went to the first interagency messaging meeting. And it's all online of course, because we can't get together, Zoom call or whatever. And I didn't know what was going on.

So you had state department nitpickin about this, that, and the other thing. And I got on and I said, I figured we'd had been doing this for months. I said, what else have you guys been doing? And they said, this is our first meeting. I said, so we're 30 days after the initial onslaught of their information operation against us.

And we're having our first US government interagency coordination meeting to how to respond to COVID. I knew we were done at that point. I was like, yeah. So how do, but your point is we can do better, but we've decided not to. So I could go on all day, man. It's just like we are looking at this. We have to retool for a different type of war

that they are fighting that we are refusing to accept and we just wanna go back to World War II. It's all we want. I just keep it clean. Now, it's not clean anymore. It's everywhere. He brought up Office of Strategic Services.

It's in my book. It's like we need to have a new Office of Strategic Service, young people that maybe don't want to serve in the military or they don't want to go through all that, but they're geniuses and whatever, cyber, marketing, maybe they just want to serve and they have these really crazy, cool skills, shake and bake them. You know, learn how to march and salute and put on your uniform really takes what about 45 minutes? Yeah, done take eight weeks.

Bring them in temporarily and then have an organization of special operations have all elements of the United States Power in that one that one organization. So and that's that's one of my things We got to really think about that because we are not They're taking advantage of us just because they know how we do things Easy read our books, right? Mm-hmm. I mean do do do we know? Do we have them pegged? I mean can we Is the NSA involved? I mean are we doing anything about any of this stuff?

I don't know. I mean, I don't know now. Your question, like, can we look at their communication pathways and how they're doing things? I want to, I'll just tell you straight up, this way, I don't have to, like, get rolled up by the FBI for violating some security oath or something that I signed and didn't realize I was talking about secret information, which this isn't. I went to a commercial entity that does the scrapes internet and then can do these link

diagrams and they can see usage. They just look at the internet where everything is coming from and they totally, it's not just one. I've seen several. Apparently it's not just one. I've seen several. Apparently, it's not that hard. And it was like, okay, this is where the rush, this is brush and troll farm one. Oh my gosh, we have a new Russian troll farm while I was there that day

because it just pops off the screen at you. And then you can scrape out from that, you can see what messages and what mechanisms they're using. Okay, 64% Twitter, Instagram, bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep. And then you can go in now with machine learning, get that crap translated. You can kind of get the sentiment analysis and all that. You can see what they're trying to do. We can do that.

Your question is, are we doing anything back to them? Don't know How many countries are involved in this can you say that? What's the no rushes we know China is a great question. I don't know. There's a ran involved Oh, yeah, yeah, I throw I ran in there throw North Korea, but they're not good at it Yeah, I was good. I was thinking to some other countries, but yeah, those are the primary ones. What other countries? I was thinking of some other countries, but yeah, those are the primary ones. What other countries? I was thinking of some countries

that you wouldn't normally think of, and I'm not gonna tell you because I didn't, Sean, sorry, I just don't need the FBI showing up. I get it, I don't need them showing up at my house, too. You don't need all the time. You know, and... What do you think of U-Koreen though?

You were talking about future war, and I was kinda like, you're something there with you, Kareen, too, really high tech and really low tech. Well, you know, with the Ukraine thing, and I wanted to bring that up after the break, but we'll talk about it now, you know. I don't know. I have mixed feelings on, and I've heard multiple different perspectives.

I'm one of the, one of the best perspectives I've heard, which I had not thought of was from this guy that was on the show a couple months ago. Andrew Boost-A-Montay was a, um, is a CIA. I watch it. You did. He says we're in Ukraine basically to spin up the military industrial complex, which gives us a positive GDP. I think there's definitely some validity to that. Here's what catches me.

One is all the money laundering that I believe is going on there. Two, they just pegged this, what, 21-year-old national guard who had for some reason a 21-year-old national guard. For those that are listening, the national guard is basically, if you're 21 in the national guard, you work there to get free college money. Right. That's it. You know. And probably the best you're doing is you're doing gate guard and cleaning up the trains. You're not like sitting in with the four star generals talking about the future of war.

If you really wanted to serve the country in a full capacity then you would just go active duty. And that's not a hit on any National Guardsmen, but you're not all in if you're in the National Guard, we'll just put it that way. Why does a 21-year-old in the National Guard have access to top secret information? And I don't know what all was in that top-secret information, but one of my former colleagues, it's CIA who I trust immensely. Report came out and sifted through these,

whatever it was leaked, said that the media has been reporting that the Ukrainians have only lost 17,500 casualties. Russia, they reported lost what 70, I believe it was 75,000 casualties. That's what's being fed to the media. Now the reality is after the lead came out, it wasn't 17,500 casualties on the Ukrainian side. It's 200,000 plus casualties on the Ukrainian side. And I I would be doing a disservice to say the number of Russian casualties, but it was significantly less than 75,000. I can look it up and bring it after the break, but you know, and so, they're just lying to our own people again.

And that's just one thing that I know of. It's in that information that's been leaked. And so, it just smells like corruption, you know, to me. You hit like 21 year old kid. When's the first time you saw top secret document? Well, I didn't see him for a, I mean, I was in special forces for a lot of years. I don't think I saw my first top secret report long, long time. Yeah, it's, I don't think I saw my first top secret report the long, long time. Yeah, it's, I don't know.

I can't remember what was top secret and what was secret, but I didn't know either. I just, because you handled them all the same, right? You didn't know. It was like, don't take this home and, you know, I mean, I guess what? It would have been crypto probably. I mean, I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. Documented.

It was probably crypto or maybe some of the mission planning stuff that we were doing when I when we went to Afghanistan. So maybe I don't know. It could have been 21, but it was different. You were in a National Guards guy, you know, showing up one weekend a month. I was a Navy SEAL going to war and to put and it had definitely dedicated a lot of time and effort to be able to serve at that capacity. And so, I mean, that's, do you think that stuff was really out online for months and months and we in the US government didn't pick up on it? I think that's true.

What stuff? The 21-year-old kid, you they said they say he posted stuff on discord or one of these chat rooms, they're private chat room and they say that he had started posting stuff months and months ago and then they only found out about it when somebody took, like they had their private chat group, one of the people moved it over to a bigger platform and that's when it became exposed to the rest, you know, that he got caught. I don't know if that's true or not because I'm sitting here going,

how much after snowing and all that, how much money did we spend to clean up? You remember, like, oh my gosh, you couldn't have a thumb drive anymore. You had to have 18 authentication sources. You had to have this key thing, you know, and, and we did that and we had top secret documents out in the ether for months and months and months. I don't know. Yeah. If that's true, I don't know. Yeah.

If that's true, whose accountability, nobody, you know, some poor, you know, E6 is gonna get fired over this. Some junior sergeant who signed off in the guy's CAC card so he could access the facility is gonna get fired. Yeah. I mean, what do you think about it though?

Are we there to spin up the military industrial complex? Or are we there to cover up corruption? Or what are we doing? In Ukraine? Yeah. I'm all right, bleed in the Russians, tell you the truth. Are we there to bleed them other resources? Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm all right, bleed in the Russians, tell you the truth. Are there to bleed them or their resources? Yeah, I'm all right with, and I know a lot of people,

like, we're spending all this money. It's 30 billion, we haven't spent near that. I think we're, I think they need artillery ammunition and other things other than all these sophisticated weapon systems, which plays into like, if you don't know what to do, do what you know, send them high-tech stuff, they don't need high-tech stuff. They need kinetic weapons, like gunpowder, explosives with artillery, old school.

They need some air defense stuff too. So there's something to that. I agree because that's just the way the machine works because that's just the way the machine works. It's just the way the machine works. Now, the question though is kind of a little much more nuance than that. I got that. Like are we just there to per sell guns and stuff?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not there yet. You're not there. I'm not there yet. I'm not saying I won't change my mind. I'm just not there yet I still think You know support the Eukaryneans fighting the Russians I'm good with that Good question everybody ask. What's the end state? I Don't know Russian stop fighting. And then my other thing is the Ukrainians get a vote in this. I get tired of like we, the United States, somehow can dictate to the Ukrainians, it gets

time to stop fighting now. Actually they'll decide when that is. Yeah, that corruption, what? It was one of the most corrupt countries in the world, probably still are going on. I don't know, man. I still believe a little bit, Sean, sorry. After all, we've been through.

I still believe a little bit that maybe this one, maybe things will turn out better on this one. Maybe Zelensky's the real deal. Maybe, you know, you want to hope that, don't you? Don't you want to hope that this is truly like people fighting for their freedom against Russian atrocities? I want to believe that, but the way I understand it is that the portion of Ukraine that is being fought over is all Russian influence. And those people that live there want to become part of Russia. Now that these new numbers are out and there's been 200,000 Ukrainians,

200,000 plus Ukrainians that are dead. I wonder what the population is of the small portion of the country. Now there you go. That's a pretty dark assessment of where you're going. I'm not discounting it. Did 200,000 plus people just die for 25,000 people that don't want to be part of Eukaryne anyways? Yeah.

Well, it seems that that's that's it gonna end up being the Negoti eventually when this war when they just When this war ends, you know, and I think it's just gonna be exhaustion right and they're not exhausted yet They're still willing to keep fighting me, you know But eventually don't you think that's gonna be kind of that will be the agreement You know, yeah, I mean don't you think that's gonna be kind of, that will be the agreement, you know? Yeah, I mean, but the Ukrainians get the side, and the Russians get the decide to keep fighting.

We don't, that's my point. I don't know. Still trying to figure it out. You haven't gone over there, you should take a show over there. I've been invited. I bet you have, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I want to keep the hope, you know I want to keep the hope of a lot of things I got a 19-month-old boy

Right trying to raise and I would like to see the country not go to complete shit before you know, but But you know, it's it's It's hard to find positivity today, Chris. Everywhere I look, I hate what I see. What are we gonna do about it, Sean? You always ask me what we're gonna do about it. I told you, my thing is like, all right, man, I got a hell of a lot of confidence

in these young people. They just need some leadership. Maybe that's just easy for me to say because that's the way we're raised. That was our first career, right? It's all about leadership. I still believe. You brought up the vision of the fentanyl thing. That can be used as a rallying call for America.

And we have this deficit of leadership right now. And then you look out there like, okay, so who could step up? I don't know, man. I'm pretty, you know, I'm hugely cynical too. I don't know who's gonna step up, you know, and somebody out there. I mean, I don't know who's going to step up, you know, and somebody out there. I mean, I don't know if it's, I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to bring you

into the United States because you're going to fight the media, no matter who you are, no matter what you stand for, you know, they're going to destroy you, man. If the right's going to destroy the left, the left is going to destroy the right. And it's just this, it's just the pendulum is just swinging farther and farther each way. And why would anybody volunteer to serve in a elected capacity or in a really public, yes, capacity, if they're going to get destroyed. So all you're going to have are megalomaniacal people, narcissists and psychopaths, which might, in my humble opinion, that's kind of what we have right now.

I'm serious. I'm with you. I am with you. What kind of person would be like, hey, I'm going to go ahead and run for public office. I'm going to get destroyed in the media. I'm going to get absolutely, social media is going to tear my family apart and call me names and all this stuff. And I'm going to keep doing that.

Because you can do so much about this is about the country, but then you bring your family into it. You're like, why would I ever put my family through that? Something like that. The only people that would do that are people that are psychopaths and narcissistic or so egotistical. It's off the charts, which would put them in some sort of narcissistic category. You know, it's like, that's what worries me. We are literally destroying our Seekorn why would why would anybody serve? Just circus and you know what Sean they don't give you shit It's it's it's sport and DC to build people up and then just destroy them

I mean, I got to see it kind of firsthand, you know, no, fortunately, I just had 73 days Although it keeps kind of going on and on, but that's all right. You know, like you can, faith, faith can get you only so far, right? Yeah, you can bring up your biblical verses all day long, but man, when they're destroying your family, you know, are destroying your reputation, my wife, man.

It's like the only thing we have is our reputation. That's heavy, man. Yeah. You know, so, and I'm older in my life, I'm in a good place, don't really give me, dude, I don't really care about like, oh, did you see? I, everybody, like, sends me the latest crazy thing from Twitter or social media, some crap.

Are you guys stalking me or what? It's kind of cute. Like, wow, I don't do it. But I get into my feeds and all. I'm like, I don't care. I literally don't care. But that's easy for me to say. When you're younger person or it's your spouse or a family member and

You know people are like destroying you. Yeah, so I'm worried too. I totally am That's why okay. I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna give a plug That's why that what you're doing is important man. Thank you. I know it's a pain in the ass Because you get you get your ass beat up pretty bad too It's heavy. it's heavy. That's an operation, you know? Yeah, you know? And then you got your boy now.

So, you know, your wife, she's like whatever, yeah. You know, paying the bills, it's good, love you. Proud of you. But then all of a sudden, can you imagine your boy gets his first cell phone, right? You're not gonna give that shit to him, till he's like 12, right? Oh, it'll be later than that. When are you gonna give him first cell phone, right? You're not gonna give that shit to him till he's like 12, right? Oh, it'll be later than that.

When are you gonna give him his cell phone? I don't know, yeah, we haven't crossed that bridge. Yeah, that'll be a fun one. You know, instead of him going to sneak cigarettes behind the house, he'll be sneaking his cell phone that he has stashed like in a concealment device. Yeah, you know, one of the topics that I'm really diving into this year, we haven't released anything yet, but we've got

We've got a couple in the can that we're getting ready to release is the sex exploitation sex trafficking piece and You know there's 366 million videos of kids being exploited sexually in this country. That's insane. Rotating around today. That's insane. So I interviewed one of those guys, his name's Matt Murphy and he said, when you give your child a phone, not only are you given your child access to the world,

but you're giving the entire world access to your child. And that really resonated with me. And I'm going to take that very seriously when it comes to raising my kid. Yeah, well, that's good because you're going to go off grid because that kid is going to have so can you imagine the pressure? In our day, what was it? Was like what kind of shoes you wore, whether you had enough money to buy Levi's as opposed to K-Mart jeans, that was my thing. You know, like, oh, can you afford Nike's? Oh, you know, my mom, she'd be great. Go, we're going to go get you shoes.

We could go to famous footwear or some crab and I get these shoes and I'd be like humiliated. I can't wear those. Now you're going to have, now I can't imagine younger people now, the stresses and the pressure they're under to with just being connected and all that. So you're gonna tell you, that'll be good. I wanna see that one. I'll come back, I'll come back in 10 years

and bite me back in 10 years if I'm still alive. I'm gonna be like, hey Sean, how's it going with the cell phone for your kid? He's what? He's 11 and a half now. Yeah. What do you think, man? I don't think I'm gonna give it to him.

I don't think I'm gonna give it to him. Do you ever get a fake driver's license? Oh, yeah. Definitely. I got to learn, I'm all about, my crazy fascination is like money laundering and all this elicit activity. I don't know why. Well, there's a reason why I was involved in some stuff,

where we had to think about stuff like that, right? So my kids, they got to fake license, right? Where they literally send off the China with a photo, they get back like, like, first rate. I was like, wow, man, that's impressive. And I like the kids trade craft. They get like a PO box. It wasn't coming to our house,

or they'd have it sent to somebody else. Your son will be having his cell phone. He'll have a burner phone. I'm sure he will. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure he will. Good luck with that. It's important.

I know. I'm glad I'm out of the kid raising business. I don't know how you do it these days. All the challenges, just all out there. And you're right about the child exploitation videos, Holy crap. I can't even imagine that it's it's it's It's running rampant and nobody's talking about it. There's only 8,000 law enforcement officials throughout the entire world Trying to do something about this In the world.

That's horrifying. Yeah, there's 366 million videos just in this country. That's 8,000 in the world. Well, that's why this AI thing just bugs me. We commercialized it so much. I love that chat GBT. Hey, so can I give you a hint? We're talking

about having to give public speeches and all. My party trick now is I go to chat GBT and I'll write in motivational speech for whatever and it kicks out three paragraphs. I'll read them, they sock, but it's really funny and I'm like, that's chat GBT. I'll give you the real speech now. It's really funny and I'm like, that's chatty, PT. I'll give you the real speech now. But yeah, but you know, the thing with AI that worries me, and I'm like, Elon Musk, things gonna take over, like kill us all, all that could. As long as we allow,

how much more information do we need to have? Like Facebook started as this beautiful thing that was gonna connect the world. Remember, it was glorious. Nothing to worry about here. Taring apart our country, screwed up elections, you name it. How much more damage can that thing do?

And you're hearing the same thing with artificial intelligence right now, right? Oh, it's all good, don't worry about it. We're a mature organization. We would know, as soon as you put that money behind it, you know that thing is gonna get perverted and we do have no idea what the second, third order effects of this thing are.

You brought up like all the crazy stuff online right now. Can you imagine where this thing could go? So, well, you know, it's going to cause a decline in population, for sure. So, in Japan right now, they're way ahead of us in AI. And as far as like commercially used and stuff. And so, in Japan, they're having online sexual relationships with, I mean, it's all artificial intelligence. Yes.

And so what's happening is the fertility rate, the sperm count and males is dropping because you've heard the term, you're not used, you don't use it, you lose it, right? So sperm counts and males are declining fertility rates and females declining because they have these AI sexual relationships. Now they have a declining population. I think that's gonna happen here. I think it's gonna take out entire industries. It's gonna, what do you need to write or for for a TV show

anymore? You don't, you have chat GBT. You don't need, you can generate an image. I mean, we've all seen the images of Trump getting arrested. We've seen images of Biden. The Pope in his puffy. That was a good one. Yeah. We've, we've, I could believe that one actually, but then they showed his hand. They're like, it's a fake because his hand is little off, but they figured out how to manipulate it now too because it always comes down to You can always identify off the hands, right? And they're like, oh, no, no. We got that now. Yeah

You know, and and we're in this age of disinformation now how easy would it be? To create something of I don't know the president of the United States Same we're going to war with China and it was all bullshit generated off artificial intelligence, you know, I think it's going to take over the entire medical industry. They're already saying that they can plug in these symptoms in your DNA into these AI things, and it'll diagnose you, you know, like that, which is a, you know, partially it's a good thing, but it's gonna, what do you need doctors? Hey, so when did you find out about your dog on heartburn? You had that looked at yet? I did. We're good to go. Well, I'm having surgery. I'm getting scoped.

But by an actual doctor, not an AI. It's only a matter of time, man. But yeah, you know, it scares, it does. It scares the shit out of me. And there's so many things that I'm, I'm not thinking of, you know, already. But I mean, it's going to wipe out entire industries. I mean, it's gonna get to the point where

I don't need to have you come down here. I can just say, hey, generate me an interview with Chris Miller, former Secretary of Defense. And it'll just come out crazy. It'll come out crazy talk, Sean. It'll be, it'll be funny. But can you imagine, it'll be all over the map right now. But that shit's scary to me.

It's legit. And yeah, I think we definitely have uses for it, but I mean just to your example, you know, we saw where social media went to complete disaster. So dumpster fire. It's divided the entire country. Sean, that was gonna, I was gonna bring people together. It was gonna allow America to, you know, govern differently in a good way. Remember all that crap? Yeah. Like, oh, and now it's like just a festering cesspool.

Yeah. But, but it does. It scares the hell out of me now. What do you do though? Because all these other countries are it's a race. It is a race. And so if we don't participate in the race,

then what happens? Yeah. I just think let's put in a couple guardrails. I'm not a big fan of government regulation, typically, because it slows everything down, but for public safety, this seems to be one of those things. Like, food and drug administration started out as a really good idea, because you shouldn't be killed by polluted food, right? things like food and drug administration started out as a really good idea because you shouldn't be you know killed by polluted food right. There's got to be a way to put a protocol in there but man the Aesoo did you remember they had the tiktok guy up in the hill?

wirebrushing him a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it's pretty funny. We were talking about that at home. ago. Yeah. It was pretty funny. We were talking about that at home. You saw the politicians. They were really careful. They'd wire a brush them a little bit, but my wife goes, they got to be careful because there's a lot of the future voters that are going to vote for them someday or against them. Love them some TikTok. And I started watching the whole thing differently, you know? And it was interesting. I was like, yeah, they're kind of triangulating a little bit. Like they'll beat the they'll kick this guy in the you know what? And then they'll have another thing. So they were saying something to all these different audiences. And I was like, yeah, you take my kids TikTok away, my son, I mean, I think he will revolt.

I mean, like he will march on. It's, he'll overthrow the government. I mean, the TikTok generation, you take their TikTok away. I think we could have a problem, Sean. Yeah. I just made that up, man. I was just thinking about it though.

You know, we talk about internal descent and internal problems. Like that thing, man. I was just thinking about it though. We talk about internal descent and internal problems. Like that thing back to your thing, the Chinese, how brilliant is that? That's like a mind control experiment. Remember Manchurian candidate? That was so junior varsity. That was so 1950s, like holy crap.

I don't know, man. Yeah. Well, let's, uh, let's move on to, let's move into these energy weapons. Let's get into some positive stuff that we're making. So, it breakfast this morning,

you told me that you are consulting with some of these companies that are coming out these energy weapons. Can you describe a little bit about what these are? Yeah, I mean, finally, you know, lasers and all that stuff, all that good stuff. It's really high energy. I'm not a scientist. So, I'm like an inch deep mile wide, that's been my life. We're finally at a place where we can generate enough power to like use directed energy lasers, microwave stuff. And you know, I'm, I, I actually been in the drone, counter drone business because small businesses and I'm not like giving a shout out to my companies that would be lame, although you're happy to, you know, text me. Because I was complaining about the military industrial

complex and how we need to, it's easy to just talk shit, but maybe you know, you should do something about it. I'll fail, but I'm going to try to, you know, accelerate the adoption of next tech next generation technology to defend the United States. And it's drones, man. I mean, what they're doing with drones in Ukraine on both sides is just the start, right? It's going to hold next level. You ask like, what's the future of warfare look like? It's gonna be a huge uncrewed, unmanned thing. Right now, like, oh, DJI drone, $2,000, send it in, you know, send three of them in.

Dude, we're going to a place where it's gonna be a $1,000, $ know, cent three of them in, dude, we're going to a place where it's going to be a thousand hundred dollar drones that are going to go in. So the interest is how do you destroy swarms of cheap, uncrewed, unmanned vehicles that are just swarming at you and we're finally at a place the lasers not the answer right now Because it can't get enough shots, but this high-energy microwave thing basically The scientists have figured out a way to basically put up a wall of energy that when

Anything within a microchip a electronic circuit hits that thing, it's done, right? It's kind of like electronic really. You talk about EMP on some show, haven't you? Yeah, a couple of them. It's essentially a mini EMP type thing that doesn't like go, what was that book one second after, one day after, one year after, whatever, that's a good book. So there's a way to modulate it right now

and to use these weapons systems, problem comes down to energy, right? To generate that much energy requires in the past, would require like, oh yeah, the lasers this big and the truck that has the power generators, like it was 18 wheeler. Get into the point now where you can generate power rapidly and you can pulse it out.

We're not there yet, but for, it's a game changer. So are you saying we could create a wall? Yes. A energy. Yes. So could we, like some Harry Potter thing, man? Do we have a wall of energy around the United States?

Yes. Is that coming? It's totally within the realm of the possible. So this is, so this is my point about defense against offense, remember? So these supersonic missiles that China's developing are, if we had a wall of energy, are basically obsolete already. Right. So let's go ahead and invest a lot more.

Star Wars Reagan was his idea like we'll shoot down their missiles with lasers and stuff. That was kind of an information operation because he knew that we couldn't do that right now, but we made them think we could, so they kept spending more money and we bankrupted them. That's really what happened to how the Cold War ended. So I don't want to overpromise, but we're on the verge of, you know, a breakthrough with continental defense where we can protect ourselves from incoming missiles. Yes. Which is what Reagan started. So that's why I did the offense defense thing. Like the power of the defense, I think, is stronger right now. So let's stop and we need to invest correctly. And so we talked about future of war. It's not going to be times where their mass forces

map going against each other. But the start of the wars are going to be times where their mass forces are going against each other, but the start of the wars are going to be very, very discreet. They're going to be cyber, who knows? Maybe you said it's already started. I'm not discounting the fact that I do think that they're probing our systems, our computer systems, our industrial control systems. Absolutely, they're doing that.

I think that's public knowledge, tell you the truth. You know, they're doing their reconnaissance phase. So that's how that shit's gonna go down initially. But eventually, all that stuff's gonna be, we're gonna have fired all our weapons, cyber, everything else, and now it's back. What do we do now? You know, whoever can regenerate combat

power fast enough, like satellites are going to get taken out, right? Oops, satellites are going to get taken out. We're going to end up launching more satellites, Chinese will launch everybody will launch. And eventually, there are going to be no more satellites left because they're going to be no more satellites left because they're, we're out of satellites. What do they, what, you know, it costs a lot of money. And then it's just going to be back to the old school. And that's, that's why the Ukrainian thing, like high tech with low tech, I think you're going to have this back and forth. But at the end of the day, you know, it's just going to come down to duke it out. But that's a little different than the high energy weapons we were talking about.

Like, you need to have the ability to defend for a discrete amount of time because they're gonna shoot all their stuff. And then we have to have a different plan after that. That's incredible. I had no idea we had that technology. It's coming. We have it for like very,

like if we went out now and got one of the Leonidas systems and Epirus, I don't work for him, so I'm not getting any money for a public, you know, shout out to him, I should be wearing like, shit, you know, I should be like a NASCAR. Damn, I was gonna go buy an energy weapon. I should have been like a NASCAR and F1 driver and just came in here with all these,

like got lockied Martin. I'm like, hey, I'm going on the Sean Ryan show. You want me to wear your shirt? I want to wall of energy around my home. On the same way. So yeah, it's getting there. They'll be defenses against it, but we're about at the point.

I'm a little down on lasers and I'll get you all that just because it take a lot of power. And it's not like in the movies where it's like, you got to have that thing on target on a keep component to burn through. And they can, I mean, this railies have systems that they can do it with. But I'm like, that's a good brochure or a good video. Like in the heat of combat, I'm not there yet, man. I'm like, that's really good when you're on this perfectly bright day. Conditions are perfect. Temperature 62 degrees, no wind, light, you know,

off to this way, fly something directly towards me. And then the laser is like, like when that thing starts doing all this, I'm not convinced. I'll get, you know, I'll get some help with that. I'm sure I'll get some defense contract going, oh, actually, we can do that. I'm not there with lasers yet.

What's power in these? How accessible is the power? That's gonna be the key thing is they figured out how to generate burst of power. And I'm not a scientist, I don't know. But that's the key thing is they miniaturize these things from 18 wheel trailers down to like, you know, trailer. Like a nice trailer.

I wonder what they're pulling for. Sorry I'm geeking out on you. No, I love this stuff. Yeah, you need to get, get somebody in on that. I'm trying. Any ideas? Yeah. Connect me.

Yeah. I'll get them on here. They're not paying me either. I just, you know, I don't care if they are paying you. I don't care about that. All right, you gave me the green light. Hey, I got an opportunity for you for $20,000. I can get you on the show. Makes some money. No, I don't care if they are paying you I don't care about it. You gave me the green light. Hey, I got an opportunity for you for $20,000. I can get you on the show.

Makes some money. No, I would never do that, man. To you. Makes some money. Somebody else, maybe. But, well, I think that's a plus. That's some good technology that's coming out. I mean, would you say that's how many spy balloons

just come over? You know, maybe they got zapped, although they did come out and say that they did extract a lot of information from our military bases from it. Oh, I think I bet you they had a windfall. What do you think? I don't know what to think anymore. Man, I'll tell you what, on that one,

I'm pretty black and white. Should this whole narrative, like, oh, actually, we just wanted to see their capabilities and we were aware of it and we minimized exposure, all that bullshit, I think it's complete. I'm not, I don't think so. I think they stole a march on us and they got a lot of information. I think their technology is awfully good. Even if there's half that, they got some stuff. I don't know, but you talked about the Chinese like, why?

So they're like, oh, that happened during your, that happened during the Trump administration. I'd like, I didn't know about it. And then so we had this everybody's, when that happened, somebody released, oh, actually this happened three times during the Trump administration. I'm like, I didn't know about that. I wonder if it did see you call around and you ask people like, no, I didn't know about that. I wonder if it did, so you'd call around and you ask people, like, no, it didn't have a clue,

it didn't have a clue. And then back to your, then the rest of the story is like, actually we found out after, apparently they did fly some stuff, Chinese, flu, some stuff over the United States during the Trump administration. I think it was down North Carolina way. No, good. But we didn't know it at the time. But then when they rewind the tapes, you know, like play us everything that's happened for weird anomalies that didn't get picked up

initially, like change the settings and, you know, be more finite. They rewind the tapes like, oh man, actually this has happened before. So that was, that was kind of back to your media. Interesting. So it did happen. Yeah. Yeah. Did we do anything about it? Didn't know about it. Because you know, those radars are tuned. I didn't realize this. I'm not a radar expert, but I hang out with some radar experts. I didn't realize like all the radars are tuned for fast-moving stuff.

You knew this, right? Yeah, so I didn't either. By the way, I didn't either. But when it was explained to me, I'm like, why wouldn't we see it balloon? They're like, hey dumbass. We have these world-class radars and everything is tuned for fast-moving vehicle,

jet, you know, whatever the case missile, whatever the case may be. For something that moves really, really slowly, this is why drones are so effective. It's not gonna get picked up because it doesn't, you know, they've got their algorithm, it doesn't bounce into the like look at this. So since it's moving so slowly,

our radar systems that are automated don't ever spike, you know, they don't ever have a warning or a trigger on it. They, you know, subsequently they've changed the settings, but we go into radar all day. I'm, I just stayed at a holiday and express. I don't really know much about it, but kind of learning, man. Last thing. Yeah. What do you got? What do you think about all these UAPs and UFOs? Man biggest mistake I made when I was no. I'm not going to say biggest mistake I made bigger mistakes but what I failed to do when I was acting secretary of defense was ask for that briefing. What was I thinking? I don't know what you were thinking.

I got a little overcome. I got to overcome with events. I really wish I would have gotten that briefing. So you go in there, you're asking about what's it like the first day, or when Trump tells you you're going to do this, go over to the Pentagon, you walk in, the first thing they do, they take it back to this secret room. It's ultra secure room and this four star general and is two star assistant. They literally grab you as soon as you walk in, you have any, like, put your bag down. It's like, come with us.

Guess what they breathe you on. You know what they breathe you on? Nuclear codes, nuclear war, how that works, how you're in the chain of command for if there's a nuclear attack and how we respond. And I was like, okay, I got it. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is a three hour briefing. I was like, it's like two minutes in.

I'm like, I got it. Like, nuclear war, they attack us, call the president, give them advice on what to do, and either ask for approval to launch a counterattack or a response, have him, you know, hold process, right? I'm like, I got it. Like, ooh shit. And the next thing they got another book like this.

Like, okay, all right, they're looking at me like I'm crazy and I'm like, I'm like, finally, I just said, hey, listen, that's part of the job. I got it. I understand that. Did you think I was just going to become a weepy little like, I can't do this. Like, oh, my God, this is horrifying. It's like, this is part of the job, right? I got it.

I'm comfortable. We can do some exercises later, but right now, got what I need. Got this next book. It's all about, I'm going like, oh, this is, and I gave the program name. I'm like, this is about, you know, terrorism strikes in the United States. I'm like, I got that too. I'll make the call, don't worry. They're like, okay, I said, is there anything else? You know what I should ask for then? UAP said, give me the report on the UFOs. Should have done that.

I'm serious heart attack right now. Should have done that. And nobody volunteered to give that briefing. And I wonder why. I wonder why. Why wouldn't, why wouldn't somebody come in? You know, well, I think I know why. I wonder why. Why wouldn't why wouldn't somebody come in? Well, I think I know why it's because they don't want other people to know. If I would ask for it, they would have had to do it. Because

that's super user. I'm read on to everything, right? Everything. I could ask for like and I for some reason, I didn't ask for that. I left the administration when things changed. And the Pentagon finally released a report. Congress required a report on UFOs, UAPs, and press started calling. Like, hey, did you ever get briefed? And that was one of those moments and like, I didn't.

What was I thinking, man? Should have gotten briefed on that. Where are you in the whole thing? I don't know enough about it to formulate a, you think it's possible? UFOs and MAPs, what do I think? What's possible? That those could be generated by a life form off planet?

Absolutely. I'm with you, man. Absolutely. I also think it could be from this planet. Oh, there's a lot of that. But here's what I saw just on the open source stuff. Like we had 241, I'm making that up. You know, 241 anomalous incidents of which 228,

we have determined where the result of, you know, whether it was us opposition, some funny going on, right? I'm like, okay, you know, what about the other 13 or whatever? Like, I don't know, man. Hmm. I don't know.

I think we're going to know a lot more sooner than later, but because they seem to, they seem to keep coming around and hit the media. It's getting a lot of attention right now, but, but anyways, all right, I'm done grilling you. But thanks.. But what do you got going on now? I'll tell you, Sean, trying to stay out of the media, which is hilarious because I'm in your show, the number 10, which better be like number six by the time the thing goes live podcast. But you know, I wrote the book and I made an obligation to the publisher

that I would push the book, right? That's the way you're raised. Like they paid you, you gotta work for it. But made the decision, I really need to, and I don't wanna be in the public spotlight and they more, I hate it. Stuff drives me crazy. But there are three things that I wanna work on

that I'll go public on. One is Afghan refugee stuff. We still left a lot of people behind on there, so I'll go out and do stuff on that. Veterans Affairs is the other thing. The final one is Havana Syndrome, where we've had intelligence officers and special operators and diplomats, military people get hit by directed energy. And you had Mark Pully, I can't print out Mark P. Yeah, Mark P. Mark P. Yeah, Mark P.

Mark P is better way to say it because I cannot pronounce his last name to say the last name. So Mark P. So I'll go public on that. What do you mean you're going, what do you think about all this? Well, because I think it's bullshit and I think the government needs to come clean. It's apps, you know, I've been in government long enough to see how they parse their sentences and I'm like, everybody's covering their ass right now. Just come clean with the American public.

You know, these people have been attacked. You know, I was very, very skeptical, extremely skeptical that I met a kid who got hit. I was like, he was a, and he was one of mine. Where did he get hit? Oh, I'll just say in Asia. And he described the story like you and I,

he was describing an ambush, and he was one of us. So when he described the story like you and I he was describing an ambush and he was one of us So when he described it that way I was like Okay Game on this is legit. So I changed my whole I was pretty skeptical at first So I want to support that by when the government says that there's no, that this didn't happen,

or they get really careful with their language now, right? We respect the feelings of those that think they've been injured. They were injured. So let's just come clean with it, right? I mean, we just talked about, we just talked about these efforts. Do you love it? Now that they're denying it. So I'll go public on that. Veteran stuff, I'm with this organization, Special Operations Association of America.

New organization, everybody's got their special hops, charitable donation. All we do is lobby Capitol Hill on behalf of special operation veterans. Last year, key thing we helped with, this was a coalition effort, was to give veterans administration to accept the use of psychedelics to treat alternative therapies to treat veterans suffering from combat-related syndromes. Normally, that takes 20 years in the veterans administration from request for a new therapy

to a new therapy being accepted. We hack that. Special operations association of America with a bunch of other groups hack that. And I'm an old if alternative therapies give relief to any veteran, why wouldn't we support it? They don't give a crap. I mean, I just don't. And that's what then, Karshi Kanabat news back to Stan, I told you, I went through there

in 2001. That thing was a toxic waste dump, and a lot of the people that were signed there have really gone through there, and have horrible health issues related. There was radiological material, toxic stuff. So really supporting that to get veterans and their families. Unfortunately, now we're dealing with families

because some of their loved ones have passed, getting recognition and getting the support they need, which really ties back into Havana syndrome because the government will be like, we were a threat if anything bad might have happened and we recognize your pain and will provide you medical therapy and medical support, which is great. I mean, but we keep talking about accountability.

I'm good if somebody just stands up and goes, we made a mistake. We all are good. We all are good with going through car sheet countabod. Our nation asks us to do it. It's all good. No hurt feelings, man. But inherent to that promise of serving the country should be a promise from the American people that those injured in the line of duty should receive the dog on benefits

and care that they require. And I know you know this. So I'm fighting really hard on that. They got this burn pit thing. You remember the burn pit legislation that the Veterans Administration now, they call it presumption of a syndrome. You don't have to prove it. You just have to say like, hey, I was at this location,

I tent was by burn pit, stuff came through all night long for six months. That's enough now if you're having some illness that could be related to that exposure that you're gonna get benefits. Unfortunately, John Stewart, a comedian who is more than a comedian, I think is a great American, was the one who had to go up there and shame Capitol Hill

and the our politicians to sign that damn thing. Do you remember that? I do. And I'm like, Sean, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, man. I mean, John Stewart helped out the people that were on the pile in the World Trade Center and got them support and legislation passed. I really admire the guy. And I know a lot of people, he's a leftist liberal. I don't give a crap. Veterans dust by partisan brother, you know that, right? So it took a dog on John Stewart to go up there and embarrass those people to do the right thing.

And I know there were all these political angles. Oh, this is related to the debt ceiling. I don't come on. So working with them really closely and then finally, man, that's when suicide, working with Czechovet out of Fort Campbell out of Clark'sville.

Wonderful guy, Warren Offs are I worked with, Michael Carmichael, who just said enough, I think Mike must have suffered some and he said no more, man. And he, so we're doing that. It's really cool. Learn and do that one, like those nonprofits, man. Those things, they take a lot of work and a lot of energy.

And it's really, really remarkable to see that. And what do they say, 16, 18 veterans are taking their own lives each day. I think it, you know think it changes on the numbers, but it's too many. Let's just agree that it's too many. And back to the other things, I think they're all kind of knit together in some ways.

So that's what I'm doing. That's where I want to spend my time. Got to make some money. I'm doing the drone business, trying to put my money where my mouth is in regards to transforming our national know, our national security. Love that, trying to make some cash to fund the other stuff at the end of the day, man. It's all like, gotta make some money, get my family secure, and then just give it all back,

baby. Yeah, so that's it. Thanks for asking, my pleasure. Well, Chris, I just want to say it's an honor to have you sitting across from in and thank you for making the trip and I hope to see you again. Wasn't kidding. Thanks for what you're doing.

Thanks for being an example. It's really important, man. Veterans are helping veterans and I think that's the most powerful thing we can do for each other. And you're leading by example and I appreciate you. Thank you. Oh, here, man. You get a Oh here man, you get a coin dude. I get a coin?

Yeah, you got to. Thank you. Yeah, I know you got tons of them, but. Oh man. That one, if you can sell that in eBay for like $3.50 do it. Or else I'll put it on eBay tonight. Yeah, I think you'll probably get, dude, you'll probably get like 98 cents for it.

Man, this is, thank you. This is going in the cabinet right behind me. Thanks. Incredible. Well, best of luck to you. See you in 10 years. All right, thank you. Thanks. The ethics of the martial art is why I joined the Marine Corps.

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