Simple Swedish Podcast - #245 - Joselyn (del 2) - Sociala medier (svår)

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

Nivå: ~B2 Andra delen av samtalet med Joselyn, där vi fortsätter att prata om livet i Turkiet, men också om sociala medier. Hur påverkar de oss, och vad gör vi åt det? För att stödja podden och få transkript till avsnitten - bli patron för bara 5€ per månad – klicka här! För att läsa mer och bli medlem på Language Gym - platsen dit du kan komma och träna din svenska varje dag - klicka här! Instagram: swedish.linguist YouTube: Swedish Linguist Website: www.swedishlinguist.com Language Lock-in: https://www.languagelockin.com/ ------------------- Ett smakprov (sample) på transkriptet: Fredrik Ja det är ju ett projekt. Joselyn Ja det är verkligen ett projekt. Det var verkligen rätt sagt. Fredrik Så det är klart det finns massa skillnader mellan Turkiet och Sverige. Och det är väl en skillnad då, för i Sverige är det ju ganska vanligt att man inte känner sina grannar speciellt väl. Det finns ju skämt och videor. Det finns en video på YouTube, skämtvideo, där de står och tittar i nyckelhålet för att se till så att det inte är några grannar utanför när de lämnar lägenheten. För att man måste undvika sina grannar. Men generellt är det ju så..det är inte alltid man hälsar ens på sina grannar i Sverige. Och det kanske..jag tycker det är lite konstigt. För att det är ju ändå folk man kanske ser då och då. Jag menar i Spanien så hälsar man ju alltid på sina grannar, till exempel. Joselyn Och för att man kan..alltså man har ju någon sorts relation till dem ändå. Nog för att man kan skippa den mesta kontakten om man bara vill. Men, alltså det gör en sån skillnad.   För till exempel häromdagen så gick elen i min lägenhet. Jag kan..or may or may not have been the reason. Men i alla fall så hade jag ingen el i lägenheten. Så tänkte jag, hjälp, min frys funkar inte. Fredrik Ingen el, ingen elektricitet alltså. Joselyn Ja precis, ingen elektricitet. Och så tänkte jag, vad ska jag göra? Så gick jag upp till grannen och hon bara, “ta upp alla dina grejer i frysen. Ta dem upp hit tills ditt problem löser sig.” Och det är lite det jag tycker vi har mist i Sverige. Att vi liksom inte..eftersom vi är så självständiga. Så är vi liksom att när något händer, då är du helt ensam i ditt problem på något vis.   ....för att läsa hela transkriptet till detta och alla andra avsnitt, klicka här!  

Hello, hello! Welcome to Simple Swedish Podcast. And now comes the second part of my conversation with Jocelyn. She is a teacher at The Language Gym, just like me. And, yes, we talk about a lot of interesting things. She lives in Turkey right now, and I've also lived in Turkey. We're both interested in languages. There's a lot to talk about, so I hope you like this conversation. If you haven't listened to the first part, do it first.

Here it comes. So, yes, here it comes. Yes, it's a project. Yes, it's really a project. Yes, it was really well said. So, okay, so of course there are a lot of differences between Turkey and Sweden. And that's a difference, because in Sweden it's pretty common that you don't know your neighbors very well. There are jokes and videos, there's a video on YouTube where they stand and look in the keyhole to make sure that there are no neighbors outside when they leave the apartment because you have to avoid your neighbors. But generally it's not always you greet your neighbors in Sweden. And that's maybe a bit strange, because it's people you see from time to time. In Spain you always greet your neighbors. And because you have a kind of relationship with them.

Probably because you can skip most of the contacts if you just want to. But it makes a difference. For example, the other day the electricity went out in my apartment. I can or may or may not have been the reason. But if I didn't have electricity in my apartment, I thought, help, my freezer doesn't work. No electricity. And then I was like, what should I do? And then I went up to the neighbor and she was like, take all these things in the freezer. Just take them up until your problem is solved.

And that's a bit of what we've missed in Sweden. That we're not, since we're so independent, we're like, when something happens, you're completely alone in your problem. Yes. And it was only the electricity in your apartment that went off. Yes, it was your own fault, you said. Exactly.

I was painting my walls and then there was some electricity connection that went off. I think in Sweden people would have gone to the neighbor's house to ask. You don't really want to do that. You don't know their names. No, exactly. I just wanted to say that it is... It is not... Of course people often greet their neighbors in Sweden as well,

but it is also often that you don't do that. So, it is not self-evident. No. But what would you say... What is another difference that you feel in your life? In general, in my life, happiness in life is quite... It makes such a big difference, and I think you also notice that, because you live in Sweden, you can only get light in the winter. That it's not black at 3 o'clock in the morning. I think that makes all the difference in the world.

It makes you be outside, you can meet people. You just get happier because you get sunlight. That's vitamin. But also because I work online, and that makes me work part-time, quite a lot of part-time. So I can really plan what I a lot of my time goes towards volunteer work, which I love to do. To take care of myself physically and mentally. And to really focus on eating right and on the motion. And I think that these are things that sound so right when you say it, but in Sweden, when you work all the time and it's cold, you can't handle yourself properly.

I think that's a big reason why many people get depressed in the winter, because you can't go to the gym when it's cold outside and stuff like that. And when it's dark. Cold and dark, yes. I'm from Northern Sweden, so I focus when it's cold outside and stuff like that. And when it's dark. Cold and dark, yes. I'm from Northern Sweden so I focus on what's cold. But in Northern Sweden it's even darker in the winter. Exactly. It's like, it gets more extreme. So.

Exactly, exactly. And I think that just happiness in life, just that you can take care of yourself. And that you can really focus on those that give happiness. I think that's a big difference that you can really put time on those who give happiness. Right, I know that you have said no to some social media for that reason. And you don't use Instagram. I have limited my use of Instagram quite a bit. And that's actually very positive. You have put it down completely. Yes. And have you noticed any difference since you did that? I don't know if it can happen in other apps and social media as well.

I think that people recognize it. I think it's so useful that we're always on social media. Because the internet was a place you went to. You went to your computer and there you were on the internet. Then you went out of the internet and lived my everyday life. But I just noticed how negative it affected me. And I think especially since I lived here in Turkey, so I could really point out what makes me feel bad.

And I don't think this is the solution for everyone. I think for me social media made me think... It compared me to others. It compared me to how they live their lives and what they find fun. They become so clear about what I don't do and what I don't find fun. You feel lonely. You also get the feeling that you are close to your friends but at the same time you are not. You see everything that happens in their lives, but you are not a part of it.

You don't know how people really feel. Another thing that I personally think about, and I don't think this can be the case for everyone, but I cared a lot about how I seemed to be. I mean, what image I gave to other people. I think many people actually do. I wanted to give a honest image of who I was. Since there are so many fake things, I wanted to be honest and say how I feel. I miss Sweden a lot now, I could write about it. But even then I felt that it was empty.

It felt like when people heard about me, they reacted with a heart. I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it now. No, I understand exactly what you mean. You share something on social world, but you might think of your friends. It depends on who you are, if you're an influencer, it's more of a job, I don't know. But the idea feels like you share this with your friends. And if I see something from one of my friends, it's a kind of communication. And I just put a like on it. And that's it. It's a pretty poor communication. Exactly, that's exactly what I mean. It gives you a feeling of being in contact with so many people. I keep in touch with them, I know what's happening in their lives, they know what's happening in my life.

But it's not really like that because you don't really know. If a person puts up like this, now I'm feeling bad, or now I'm going through this and you comment commenting on me. It's not real comfort and it's not a real connection you have to someone. It was that when I took off my Instagram real relationship where you can talk about things and things and where you can open up to someone and say what it is. It's a real friendship and I didn't feel I got it from social media. Not Instagram. But I have other social media, but not that one.

So you feel that you get more in-depth contact with your friends when you don't have Instagram? Of course. I can hear myself and say, hello I haven't heard anything from you in a long time. I don't know what's happening on. Can you send me a picture? Tell me what's going on. And then it's like you're talking instead of saying I saw her game and I like you and continue scrolling. So then you're like, okay, I know what's going on. Because you get the advantage of it, of course. And that's what I've felt. But it feels nice to have a sense of it, without having to talk all the time.

Because then you can have more knowledge of more people, and then you can listen to more specifically those you want to belong to. But it also happens that you may have fewer and less real conversations. I don't know, it probably differs a lot between different individuals. Yes, and I'm really not a hater of Instagram and I'm not a lawyer to remove it that way. I think that all of us are so different and use social media and are affected in different ways. But I think that there are many people who would feel better if they spent less time or if the wrong person removed it. Yes, I think so too. I also think that there are many people who use it in the right the right way and that they get exactly what they need out of it.

I've noticed, I was thinking about that, you said that this is a new problem, but an even newer thing is to try to limit it and to notice how difficult it is. I have been doing that for a few years, limiting different apps in different ways. I have also talked to younger people, for example my cousins who are 18 and 21 years old. And that they are also doing that, limiting apps and phone use and such. So it feels like an interesting challenge of the present time, how we solve it, because we are all dependent more or less on apps and our phones and so on. It feels like we have, as a society, society are trying to solve that in some way. It's like our generation's type of stop smoking. Yes. Stop smoking.

No, but that limits it in some way. Yes, absolutely. And yes, but it may be, I think we have talked about it for maybe 35-40 minutes now, it's time to wrap up. I was just going to say, we said it in the beginning, that you are also a teacher at Language Gym. Yes, we said that. You mentioned it. Yes. Both of us, and it's both of us. And language gym, I think that those who listen have heard about it before. It's our, we can say that it's an online school for Swedes. We see it as a gym, because it's like you go there to practice your Swedish.

So it's mostly conversation training. And yes, so we have different lessons there, and most of the time we go to talk with the other participants in Swedish about different things. I was just going to check if you have any favorite lessons there? Yes, I have to say that of all the lessons I have been on, some I have only visited and been an assistant teacher, but I actually love games and games that we have on Sundays. And that's me who created that lesson, but it's actually yours that you have created. And I think that every time

I have that lesson, I have a stomach ache. I laugh so much at those lessons. Sometimes we do Pestilocooler and then they will talk about, well,

would you rather have been 30 centimeters long or three meters long and things like that, which just automatically creates a more fun conversation. But also because I think it's just that there are so many people who are striving to make it fun. I think there are many at language school, students who are so funny people, who are really going to make it the best. And that is because as a teacher you enjoy it a lot more. So I love that lecture, it's actually very fun. a Discord server where we can all write and talk to each other. Yeah, really fun! And before we end, I was going to check if there's anything else you want to say?

Yeah, one more thing I wanted to add. If it weren't for the fact that I'm a teacher at Italki, I would never have seen your podcast and understood how fantastic it is. But also, me and my students, there are a few who agree that your podcast is absolutely fantastic. So, from them and certainly to all your listeners, I just want to say that thank you so much for all the work you do, everything you do to keep it interesting and fun. It's fantastic and it has made my job much easier because the podcast is just so perfect for those who learn Swedish. But it also makes it much more fun, it contributes a lot to that.

So thank you so much for everything you do and your work. Thank you so much for those very, very nice words. I don't know what I'm going to do with it when I get so many nice words, but thank you so much for that. I accept. Yes, thank you, I accept. Thanks for joining us. We meet quite often, since we are colleagues. To everyone listening, I hope you found this conversation nice to listen to. And as I said, go to languagelockin.com and check out Language Gym if you want to practice your Swedish. Yes, take care, bye! Yes, that was the whole conversation between me and Jocelyn, I hope you liked it. See you soon!