Small Town Murder - #147 - That's Not Junk In That Trunk in Ocean Township, New Jersey

Episode Date: November 28, 2019

This week, in Ocean Township, New Jersey, opposites attract, as two people seem to finally what they're looking for in a relationship. They seem to be living a little family dream until every day pressures make it difficult. This is all fine, and normal, except someone ends up dead. The problem is, the evidence just doesn't seem to point to any of the obvious subjects, until a video is uncovered that explains it all! Along the way, we find out that free parking is essential, if the earth is bleeding, it might actually just be a murderer, and you never want to have a family reunion at a sentencing hearing!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts#147 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And every dime is greatly appreciated. And where can they find those links? I believe those are at shutupandgivememurder.com. I believe you're correct, Jimmy. Wonderful. Well, with that said, I think it's time for the disclaimer so we can get going. This is a comedy show. It's a comedy podcast where people are going to die

and we're going to talk about it. That's what's going to happen. But, this is the thing here, we are going to make jokes because we're comedians. All the facts are real. But what we try to do here,

we go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why would we do something like that? Because we're assholes. What? But we're not scumbags. There you go.

See, that's how it works. And that makes it okay at that point because we're making fun of jerks we're making fun of murderers we're making fun of like maybe if a police force lets a murderer go free for 10 years because they didn't they did shoddy work that deserves some mockery it's very rare there's not a jerk in the story that's the thing yeah when you get a small town weird murder story someone's going to be an asshole and we are going to call them out on it we'll'll find them. We'll find them. Damn it. We'll root them out.

Snuff them out. We will. We will. So if that sounds good to you, awesome. We're going to have a great time. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, they just don't cross for you, and you don't want to hear it, that's fine. That's your opinion, but you probably shouldn't listen to the show.

That's the thing. Actually, you should, because you'll probably like it, but we don't want you to. No. Anyway, we'll win you over. I'm telling you. That's the thing. Actually, you should because you'll probably like it, but we don't want you to. No. Anyway, we'll win you over. I'm telling you, that's the thing. We're charming sons of bitches. But we don't want you to

because we don't want anybody complaining later on that, oh, there was jokes in there. You know there's jokes. If you don't like jokes, don't listen. So for everyone else, though, who wants to have a good time

and have a wonderful next couple hours, I think it's time to sit back and clear the lungs out and shout, Shut up and give me murder! Let's do this, Jimmy. Yes.

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. All right. We are heading eastward here. We were in the Midwest last week. We're in Kansas. Oh, the sprawling plains of Kansas. Wide open spaces.

Wide open spaces. Well, let's cram them in a little bit more now this week let's go back to the northeast i know we were in new jersey a few weeks ago on the show but we're going to be in new jersey again today why because why not i said oh i can't do that then i'm like wait a second what are these rules that i set for myself and then rigorously follow what is wrong with who cares? It's a fun story. No one's going to be like, oh, I just heard New Jersey. Like it matters to the murder.

So yeah, it doesn't matter. We're going to New Jersey. Let's make fun of the Florida, the north. Everybody love it. Let's do this. Go into New Jersey. It's Ocean Township, New Jersey over here. Ocean Township. It's in East Central Jersey. But if you look at new jersey really look

at the state yeah it's on the east where it juts out toward the ocean because it comes in and it goes out and then comes back in again like a little less so it's like a little less and this would be like right at the the peak of the s as it goes into the ocean it's not a pan handle but it's a pizza handle it's if it was a slice of pizza if jersey was the crust of a pizza it's right where you'd fold it you put your index finger right in ocean township and fold that shit over you know jersey looks like is that little it's that little fucking horn that italians wear yeah i think that's on purpose actually probably like we're gonna shape it like the horn hey hey take the pasta out of

your pocket and get your horn out instead what are you doing yeah that's that every italian child is given for some reason we don't know why our grandmother gives it to us our aunt gives us one of these no no no no what is the horn it's it's supposed to keep jesus christ is so fucking ridiculous you have to understand the immigrants the italian immigrants italy pre you know world war ii was basically century it was like the 1600s it was just like way back in time so there's laying in straw beds there's superstitious crazy fucking people so that the horn is to keep like is to keep the evil eye away what it's to combat the evil it's to combat an evil evil and evil spirits so you're supposed to have the horn on sebastian meniscalco has a terrific bit about the fucking horn and it's

hanging down and people like what's that and he's like it's to keep it's to keep the evil eyes away they're like what like what do you have it sounds so ridiculous but to these old italian people this is true and if you don't have this the evil eye is gonna get you you're fucked then what you're gonna be out there the evil eyes out there and then we're gonna do the evil we're gonna knock the pasta out of your pockets and then you're in trouble just rigatoni and mustachio all over the floor aren't we an interesting people? This is what I mean. It's great that my grandmother's still alive.

I still have access to this old world crazy, which is amazing because I really did. It's so fun. She tells stories and I'm like, that sounds like it's from the 1400s. She's like, I took the carriage with the horse. I'm like, the carriage with the horse? What are you talking about? That's how far, this was in the 30s. She's talking about a carriage and the horse. I'm like, the carriage with the horse? What are you talking about?

That's how far, and this was in the 30s. She was talking about a carriage and a horse. I'm like, there wasn't a lot of carriage and horses still operating in the US in the 30s. Oh, God, Jesus. You know, in Italy, it was like. We had to do it in the carriage, or else the evil eye would see us.

Yeah, the evil eye. Oh, she told me one story when I was a kid about, first of all, dark sense of humor has to come from my grandmother telling me stories about getting uh beatings as a child just telling stories about being a sweet little nine-year-old italian girl getting the living shit beaten out of her by family members for minor infractions yeah but she did it with such elan that it was fucking hilarious and she used to have me and my cousin rolling on the floor laughing i don't know why and she thought it was she's laughing too she's telling it because

so at that point you gotta gotta you know that's my sense of humor because that's what was given down to me these people it's a they're another kind of people we'll talk about incredible quite a lot of them here so we're going to ocean township new jersey like i said here pizza crust uh the thing is it's new jersey's really weird too ocean township they're liars okay i'm just gonna say it right now new jersey you're full of shit okay ocean township isn't actually even a town it's three smaller towns crammed in together to make one goddamn town of ocean township and and jimmy yeah it's not even near the goddamn ocean. You would think Ocean Township, this is going to be right on the ocean. Beach community.

Nope. This town, it's like a line right before. Like they said, you can have almost up to the beach. And then the beach is a separate. Within five miles. The beach is a separate strip that you don't have now. So, liars. Leave that to somebody else.

Not a town not near the ocean full of shit uh it's about an hour and 20 minutes to philly uh if you want to get out of there it's about an hour up to new york city so it's still it's commutable okay this is commutable to two different metropolitan areas making it you know i would think uh at least uh an option for people to live because there it's new york and even philly are in the cities are so so expensive they really are it really is so a lot of people like when we go to philly everybody we talk to is from jersey yeah everybody or outside of philly outside of phil which is jersey well you know if they're east of philly that's jersey it's just you don't

it's right there so so many people are from jersey there it's one of those things such a great city too though philly i love philly we are happy we love philly it's really have a good time and they have good food yeah and they cheer when we tell people to go fuck themselves it's wonderful i love that place genuine good people oh it's great it's god damn it and yeah every time we go there even we do the meet and greet we're like we actually we like these people. These are funny people. When I say genuine, I mean that in both ways. Like they're great, and when they're pissed, they're genuine about it. Yeah, luckily they never pissed at us, luckily.

So that's good. And we yell at them, and they go, all right, you're right. When you're right, you're right. That's what I'm going to do. Don't knock the pasta out of my pocket, all right? I'm full of the thought today today you know what i'm saying you never know so and it's about an hour 40 to uh to the last that middle township that we did before yeah and it's about an hour over to the last one we did a couple weeks ago here it's in

monmouth county uh zip code 07712 area code 732 it's about 11 square miles because it's you know multiple towns like i said uh the motto of this town and this is a this is a stretch i love with the mottos mottos are either like some ad company came up with a shitty motto or it's a complete bullshit stretch yeah and i hear the community of gracious living so great that's i've been in new jersey a lot and there's one word that never comes to mind every time i've been there new jersey a lot and there's one word that never comes to mind every time i've been there gracious has never you know it's really good gracious the people the the land it's just gracious thankful and giving they'll give you hiv hpv hep c it's just so they'll give you all kinds of things that's gracious they're gracious well that's the thing it's a gracious form uh it's a

gracious strain of syphilis it's very gracious it's a you can you can feel their graciousness in your loins yeah it's a tingle and a sting at the same time yeah absolutely sometimes a little bit of an itch that's that that's what fucking happens that's the new it's called that jersey itch yeah that's it's nice stuff here I've got Jersey graciousness all over my cock. I can't right now. I've got to touch it a gracious. My dick is gracious right now. It's got open gracious on it.

My graciousness is weeping. It's not good. It's a bad thing. Monmouth County was founded by basically henry hudson and his crew henry hudson as in the river of the river fame yeah of the river hudson's you might want to say the river forging of the river yeah they were aboard the dutch vessel half moon and they saw land in Monmouth County, which was off of where Sandy Hook is currently. And now there's a legend here.

The first settlers among the first people to come into this area were Richard and Penelope Stout. OK, now there's a there's a there's this coin that shows it's a Penelope Stout commemorative coin. And it's basically the form of a clearly unconscious woman slung over the shoulder of a warrior type of individual. He just has a thing on and he looks very muscular. And he's just being carried away. Like a Japanese warrior? No, just like a... I doubt it.

It's an American coin. It would be really weird to have a Japanese. They came here where the Japanese rescued her in New Jersey. When I see warrior, I see like a samurai warrior. Yeah. Like Raiden from fucking Mortal Kombat. I'm thinking more Native American warrior in those days, probably in this country. It's pretty much.

Yeah. There was, it wasn't a whole lot of other, uh, wasn't very diverse here when they landed. I feel like people landed and they were like, you know, it's nice. It's nice. No, it's, it's, I like it. It wasn't a whole lot of other... It wasn't very diverse here when they landed. I feel like people landed and they were like, you know, it's nice. It's nice. No, I like it. I think it's more diversity.

It's a little bit more diversity. It's just a lot of... It's all... They're just all natives. They all look the same here. It's just us, which is fine. But just us and them? There's nobody else. I don't know.

I'm looking for a pho. Is there a pho restaurant around here? I don't know like i'm looking for like a pho like is there a pho restaurant around here like i don't think so you know what i mean is there anybody that looks like raiden making pho somewhere some lady just it's not a cupcake shop i'm just i don't know so yeah this crew came on now they said that the richard and her husband who was not not or penelope stout who wasn't Penelope Stout at the time. She was Penelope Kent, as a matter of fact, because her and her husband, John Kent, came over on a boat. And then when they got here, her husband was sick.

And the party that they landed with was like, well, I don't know. Later, guys. Have a good one. Good luck. Stay with the ship. Good luck, everybody. No, just stay in the woods. The ship got all fucked up. And so they basically said, well, you're too sick to travel.

And I said, yeah. And they said, OK, well, we'll see you later. We're going to travel. They just left them here. So when that happened, they were abandoned by the natives, came and attacked them. Sure. Killed her husband. Of course.

Obviously fucked her up, too. You know, she survived, though. She survives the attack. And what she does is she goes into a hollowed out tree in a Star Wars Tauntaun situation and gets herself right in a tree. And then Jesus Christ and just hangs out there for a while. Yeah. Heals up with her wounds until she's so hungry she has to make herself known to the natives and turns out to be friendly natives who sew up her

wounds. And very nice of them to do, sew up her wounds and everything. And then in a very gracious gesture, they sell her to the Dutch. So, gracious. I mean, you got to get your money back. Gracious since 1643 should be New jersey's fucking motto new jersey gracious since 1643 jesus overhead on this chick though they got some investment that's true gotta get your money back sewed her up so they end up selling her to richard stout who she marries maybe voluntarily maybe not possibly not she was

and then they had they in this legend they had a large family four seven sons and four daughters Who she marries, maybe voluntarily, maybe not. Possibly not. In this legend, they had a large family, seven sons and four daughters, and lived happily ever after. Now, there's another version where Penelope already had children, landed with her husband and her children. As soon as they got here, they were attacked in the forest by hostile natives. That seems to be a common thread. It's a common thread. I feel like that part's probably true. Husband and children killed. Oh, all all of them all fucking slaughtered them all okay uh like deadwood basically they're going on the trail i would look for some road agents it's

probably not the not the indians anyway so it's a deadwood reference if you don't understand it you should probably watch deadwood now uh they they were here they're attacked. Penelope is disemboweled. Oh, no. Okay. But she's a lone survivor. Lone survivor, disemboweled. I guess they figured that ought to do it, and it didn't do it. So in this legend, she gathered up her insides.

Her innards. In a papoose situation, I can only imagine, I guess. She's got to carry that around. And then carries it with her where she hangs out in a hollowed out log again so i feel like attack and log are probably true and then uh finally uh friendly native americans found her sewed her up with vegetable vegetable fibers and returned her sans fee for free uh just gave her to a european settlement said they look like you here you go

here you go blue eyes and fucking pushed her off and uh there she completely voluntarily married richard stout okay that's this legend and in this version uh she had 502 direct descendants when she died at the age of 110 oh boy oh boy so there's a lot of bullshit here there's no way anybody lived that long then no no and then 502 direct descendants she'd also have to gather her not only her bowels but her vagina whenever she went anywhere because it would be dragging behind her after she spit out 78 children in natural childbirth in the 1600s might be difficult to have four or five kids might be difficult yeah that'd be tough uh yeah so it's it's probably just bullshit anyway so after that some uh quaker families came uh you know to the area for whatever that's worth you

got your quakers coming in and then uh the they were followed by a bunch of scottish people who ended up here. Okay. So the Scottish and the Quakers. Now, that's a combination. That's a party right there. You get them together. Yeah, pour a little.

You get those Quakers drunk, they'll fight you. Yeah. Pour a little whiskey in your oatmeal. Non-violence my ass. They start getting angry at that point. You're like, Jesus Christ. You guys are conscientious objectors. You guys are dicks.

Vicious. Vicious. So yeah, in 1693, they were basically partitioning townships at that point. That's when all of this came around. The county was named after Monmouthshire in Wales in Great Britain.

And they just dropped the shir yeah everything in new york is either after uh well there's a lot of dutch shit in new york too but it's a lot of british and a lot of native american and shit loads of europe and then native american yeah yeah there's nothing original no god no we had nothing yeah when people came here they just named it after where they're from that's like here then they would go west and go to like iowa and name it after the shit from New Jersey, which was named from the other thing. They really didn't expect us to get from Iowa

to New Jersey in the same day. No one will know. No one will have any idea. You'll never hear about it. Now, the Battle of Monmouth happened around here in 1778. George Washington's soldiers battled the British under Sir Henry Clinton here and Sir Henry Clinton

looks like he looks like if Prince was an older white man hell yeah that's that's basically what he doesn't look like a tough man no basically no like he can punch you look at him and you're like I don't know this guy is no and then our guys were trained under a guy named this is a fucking handle

right here, Frederick Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin von Steuben. God damn right. Yeah. He had a head like a fucking Thanksgiving ham on him, too. Just a big head. He looked tough. He looked like an older man who would kick your goddamn ass for bad bar etiquette. He'd come over and just punch you off your stool for no

reason he goes that'll teach you a lesson and he'd walk away and he'd be right did you call the bartender sweetie do it again everybody clapped for some reason like that's what he looks like all right yeah way to punch that helpless man so uh yeah that helpless man who's been drinking all day. Oh, he's hammered. His balance was way off anyway. He just blasted an old drunk man off of his barstool. So, notable people from this town, they try to claim Bruce Springsteen, who's not from here. They love him. Liars.

Just liars. Town of liars. But Jesus Christ, does the whole state love that man? They do. Well, I mean, honestly, it's New Jersey, and they're like, he's so much better than Bon Jovi. It's either that or that. So we got nothing else. Also, Wendy Williams is from here, your favorite. Yeah.

It's a nightmare. Bam Bam Bigelow's from Asbury Park, which is nearby. The wrestler with the flames on his head. All right. Remember Bam Bam Bigelow? He's great. He's a lot of fun. And that dickhead from MTV in the 90s.

Yeah. The Eric Neese guy. Yeah. Remember he was on like The Real World and The Grind. Who's worse, him or Wendy Williams? Oh, man. He's an asshole. I'll take Wendy Williams in a fight over him.

I'll tell you that right now. If you say, who's going to win? I'll go, I'll take Wendy. She takes those high heels off. She's going to fuck him up. She's probably got a bigger dick. It's over. I would assume so. She's tougher than him up she's probably got a bigger it's over tougher than him definitely yeah for sure so there's a couple of urban dictionary definitions

at this place that will buzz through here very very fucking quickly uh one is ocean township a if you don't know what urban dictionary is it's basically i don't even know how to explain it. It's a place that online, well, it's an online, you know, directory of you can look up the words your kids say.

Yeah, look that shit up and you'll know what it means. And you'll understand what they're talking about. This is the first town with an ocean,

with a dictionary entry here that we've done, I think. Ocean Township, a safe haven for rich white children who want to act like they live the

lives of black kids in the projects without having to worry about the crime or poverty ironically the local police also use this as an excuse for their behavior also good for popping your cherry before being a teenager or not having to leave school grounds for drugs the school system frowns upon this behavior by demoting high school teachers who fuck their students to middle school teaching positions which yeah just go down the line till keep putting them until they're not attractive anymore it doesn't make your dick hard yeah is that no oh shit okay uh so yeah that's one and this definition has a 100 thumbs up to 31 thumbs down so that's probably pretty accurate it must be accurate and then uh another one here is uh ocean township many words that can describe ocean township uh but but most the best one is all capital letters gay and he doesn't mean you know so uh homosexual it's just

you know it's not a great place that's what he I don't know. It's a very mature way of putting it. Ocean is filled with shitty people in traffic. The people in Ocean are biased motherfuckers, two words. Yeah. And everyone talks about each other, one word. So that's New Jersey for you. Then he says Ocean has its fair share of jocks, gangsters, assholes, wannabes, and whatever else. It's a breakfast club over there.

Yeah. But the main point is that all capital letters, most everyone is a bitch, exclamation point. So, yeah. And this still has 128 thumbs up to 92 thumbs down. It is a piece of shit place where everybody's a phony. That's what I'm saying. Population, 27,105 in this doomed souls reside here uh the ages are pretty pretty normal it's kind of normal the uh 41 and a half is your average is your median age it's kind of

more it's more of a family kind of a joint here because you can commute places and it's it's in from the ocean it's not party jersey no don't picture don't picture jersey shore spreading their syphilis around fist bumping it's not a lot of that probably whatever they call jersey no don't picture don't picture jersey shore spreading their syphilis around fist bumping it's not a lot of that probably whatever they call it i don't fucking jerking each other off air jerks air jerks give me an air jerk hey tickle my air balls come on give me some when they're in the club they're that fucking fist pump that that thing that they would just fucking to the beat of the stupid house music which is what eastern european people do when they come here they're just like yay i am at the disco discotheque with the women

yay it's like yay i pump fist in there to celebrate no more communism hey so uh race of this town about 70 white about almost eight percent black six percent asian we haven't had something over the average of asian in a long time here 11 hispanic so it's you know almost uh and within averages here about 57 religious which is a shitload yeah uh because it's a more of a family deal 43 catholic holy shit catholics are as we know everybody the baptists of the north so uh yeah 3.3 percent jewish hell yeah oh i don't know the words! The best is when we do that at a live show and we're in Texas and you're like outside of the Zamboni coming out at the

hockey game. You've never heard this before probably. Like, oh, that's that song at the hockey game they play, ain't it? Yeah, it is. Hilarious. About 43% Democrat, 52% Republican, 4% Independent in the last election. Unemployment rates are kind of on point uh

median income is about 78 000 which is 20 000 over the average yeah so there's a few more dollars because like i said you can live somewhere else but if we've convinced you nowhere else will do yeah nowhere else will suit you than we have for you the ocean township real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here uh is about 2400 bucks a month that's a lot uh which is a lot yeah cost of living here the housing is a 235 100 is average regular par. So median home cost here, $438,700. That's what we're dealing with. Three bedroom, one bath, 1,192 square feet. Looks like a fucking horror show. It looks like people were murdered there and no one found the bodies and they just cracked the door.

And they said, fuck it, let's sell it. $359,900. That's your low end. That's the low end. My God. Found a three bedroom, two bath that's in a livable condition uh not great but livable uh sixteen hundred eighty nine square feet three hundred seventy nine thousand nine hundred bucks for that though then i found a five bedroom four bath forty eight hundred square foot house yeah very nice it's kind of

in a neighborhood so you're kind of right next to your neighbor but a nice house in ground pool eight hundred ninety four thousand five hundred bucks jersey's expensive gee yeah east coast to your neighbor, but a nice house, in-ground pool, $894,500. Jersey's expensive. Yeah. East Coast. And that's cheaper than Philly. That's what I mean. Good Lord.

And that's New York City compared to that. For $894,000, you could get nothing in New York City. So good luck with that. You're living in your car. Yeah, 4,800 square feet. It sounds a little better. Things to do here in this place. They have, this is is wonderful by the way they have the the the iaato italian festival everybody get your asses down here they got

sausage and fucking peppers yeah they're big thing free park on the sign bigger than anything free parking like it's a that's the the main, where am I going to park? I don't want to go. Oh, Teresa, we're not fucking going. I don't care if the kids want to go. You make sausage and peppers if you want sausage. I ain't fucking going. There's nowhere to park down there.

What are you kidding? Oh, wait a sec. What is this saying? Oh, free. Oh, hey, there's free parking. We can go. Get them in the fucking car, kids. Let's go.

Come on. What is happening? The the east coast free pa holy shit it says how is that easy out on the place where to god easy and easy free pa oh i mean the food fireworks to raffle all this is in tiny ladders free fucking park and easy in easy out holy shit god damn everything costs money for to to sit your car somewhere oh it does it's fucking crazy it is great but this is central jersey like this isn't at the beach this isn't in the city this is you know wendy williams is from here it shouldn't cost money to park what are we talking about parking free fucking parking wendy williams grew up here free admission oh bring the fucking kids over here stuff your fat guinea face with sausage and fucking peppers get over here uh not only that uh they have the the banner on the site is

my favorite for the uh italian american uh whatever the shit it is group they have here uh it says uh it's it says it's one sentence yeah and it's in quotes yeah it said dedicated to all the children hey oh listen to the kids it's for the children hey yeah be a fucking wise ass saying it's not for it's for the fucking children what do i look like that's why it's free parking we take advantage anybody well i could charge you five dollars to park and put it in my fucking pocket i could make a few dollars you know what i mean i could do that but it's for the dedicated to the children you piece of shit what's wrong with you lousy cocksuckers they can't get enough of that pretending to give a shit about kids not

only that aggressively care yeah it's it's dedicated to the children i'll punch you right in the fucking teeth like oh what the why are you so aggressive exactly that just that matter of plain and simple dedicated to the children i love it don't even put our i aTO none of it oh it's dedicated to the children that's my favorite is aggressively I'll knock your fucking teeth down your throat I'm such a good guy

that's how good of a guy I am I'll break your fucking neck I'll do it for the kids for the children that's how I I'm a good guy right it's insane

so everybody head out to that enjoy but I bet there's really good food there it's insane so everybody head out to that enjoy but i bet there's really good food there probably is amazing right in a parking lot and you're like why can't jokes aside susan why can't you make it like what's wrong with you is it a fucking parking i'm eating on asphalt you can't do this in the comfort of my living room it was a piece of gravel in my last bite you know what i mean from the parking lot but it was still pretty tasty that's what i'm saying you know uh crime rate in this town what we're interested in besides children and and uh dedicating things to children and sausage and peppers and free parking

is uh crime rate property crime is a little bit high about 10 high i mean it's in the realm of average uh violent crime though murder rape robbery assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, of course, is also about 10% high. It's pretty dangerous. It's in the realm of normal. It's fucking dangerous. Normal is dangerous? Yeah, that's true. I want it way below it.

The normal state of America is dangerous, everybody. The normal state of the United States, dangerous. And this, 10% higher. Than dangerous. States, dangerous. And this, 10% higher. Than dangerous. So, yeah. And you have those assholes who made those urban dictionary entries. So, with those guys walking around, it makes it even worse. Dangerous and those guys.

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most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. We're going to go back in time. We're going to go back in time to August 18th, 2010. Yeah.

So not too far back in time. This is a short journey for us. Yeah, it's summer in Jersey. People have their tank tops on. They're just disgusting. Smelling of thin sliced onions. Smelling of thin sliced onions and Paco Rabanne. And asphalt.

And asphalt and dracar Noir. This is my Dracar sausage and pepper sandwich. So yeah, you get it. You get Jersey. The scents are in the air, everything. There are a lot of smells. There's a lot of smells going on. Well, there's this particular smell in the air this morning.

It's four o'clock in the morning. And you want to talk about smells. This is a smell that you'd wake up to and go, and go that doesn't smell right even for jersey that's wrong and i live close to the ocean and it's wrong jersey's disgusting by the way let's just i want to say this as a child uh i remember you know you'd watch you'd see like on the news as a kid he's growing up in the 80s and 90s in new york and it would be they would have like news report basically yeah you can't go to the beach and anywhere in jersey because of the just a ton of medical waste that

washed up today so tough shit yeah and they just closed beaches for just long stretches of time miles of it for medical waste for like there's just a lot of syringes and like fucking you know just a lot of aids rags we're not gonna pick it up we just gotta wait for that to get washed back out they're like i don't even know how you get an aids rag why would you why would you make that who would just be like clean up that aids with a rag you know what i mean like that's what i mean but they'd be like there's that's what's out there i don't know it's jersey there's aids rags and they're designated for aids blood that's it that's just that's what we that's what it is shop that's what washed up sorry in the

shop and it was like in the 80s where people were like oh my god jesus if there's aids blood and then everybody'd freak out and so yeah it was disgusting at the beach and nobody wanted to go to jersey and we used to go anyway i remember that was like the big vacation you get to go down to the jersey shore we'll walk down to the yellow tape and come back oh man i remember going down to that jersey shore you go to the beach and it's just windy and cloudy all the time it's like it's awful gray rolling waves it's all it's like game of thrones all the time in jersey that's what it feels like it's in this was like in the summer yeah it was rough man just black yeah sorry it's just black it's rough it feels like. This was like in the summer. Yeah. It was rough, man. Just black.

Yeah. Sorry. Everything's just black. It's rough. It's not a great place. No. It's just dirty. It's just dirty.

Jersey's a Jersey's. And you know what the fucked up part is, too? There are nice pockets of Jersey. There really is. There's some nice areas of Jersey that are really nice. It's just you'll never see them because it's not what's off. Because you've got to drive through nowhere to see it. It's not what's off the turnpike.

You've got to drive deep. You've got to get deep into Jersey. And then near the beach, it's going to be shit, too, because it's basically where people go. That's terrible. The kind of less attacked Jersey. We've been doing that for 200, 300 years, going to that area.

Yeah. So anyway, this morning, there is a particular scent in the air. It's about 4 o'clock in the morning, and woman in long branch new jersey which is just long northeast of this actually near the ocean i got it uh you know this is a beach community this is an actual near the beach here uh there's a woman and she smells something sees out her window of her apartment that there's a a car on fire near her apartment. Those smell terrible. They smell awful because you get rubber burning and plastics. Plastic metals.

Metals. Wires. Oil. You heard a wire fire or smell a wire fire? That's the worst. Oh, God. It's so bad. It's such a particular smell.

It really is. That electronic burn. What is that electronic burn? It's really bad. Is that a stroke or are my speakers going bad? What's happening? What are we doing here? Yeah, that's a scary one.

You smell that electronic burn. You're like, that's not good. Not good. So either my entire system is just fucking shutting down. Right. Everything. Or I need a medical, I have a medical emergency. There's a problem.

So I meant, that's what I meant. That would be the medical emergency. My body systems are shutting down so uh she calls you know to someone to put it out i assume the fire department i don't know maybe she called somebody else i hope i hope it was them maybe she just got on her uber eats app hey guys do you guys deliver uh water i need a lot mcdonald's breakfast and on the way here could you put out that car fire in front of my apartment? If McDonald's would send a couple of those bags of ice that are

a dollar, we'd throw those on the fire. Two for a buck. Can't beat it. So yeah, the police and the fire department get there and it's a 2001 Nissan Altima is the car and it's a really raging fire too.

It's all mainly focused on the back of the car. The front of the car isn't really on fire. It's mainly the back of the car, the trunk. Gas tank? Gas. You can see the back of the car is basically melted to the road. Like the back bumper is like melted down to the road because the tires popped and melted. So it's just kind of droopy.

It's like uh who's the cartoon the old cartoon dog that was all droopy is that the name droopy dog yeah are you serious i swear to god well that's not very creative who fucking came up with that you just nailed it and you were like trying just to describe him i drew this it's a it's a droop droopy dog we're gonna go with that what'd you draw there i i don't have a name for him yet he's just like a droopy dog. We're going to go with that. What did you draw there? I don't have a name for him yet. He's just like this droopy dog. Perfect.

Perfect. You know what? You've done great. Sometimes it's right in front of you. And you don't need to. Sometimes you just. Sometimes you take what's there and then you take an early lunch. That's what you do.

Sometimes you take what the universe gives you and you and you fucking ease back don't force it don't force it you sit around waiting too long trying to name it and there's gonna be a long line out the front of the sandwich shop yeah what's down there and get your shit first what's he look like to you there you go droopy dog done so you go with barry the basset doesn't sound as good as droopy dog fucking kids they're idiots they don't care what do they know you're gonna make you make it much easier for them to remember it an adult said it so they'll think it's good right they don't know any better so uh that's how it works so anyway they they put this fire out and it was a hard one to put out it didn't want to go out obviously it's a it's a jersey fire yeah they're rough all that aquanet yeah you know the oil in the air it's the oil

it's the aquanet it's a lot going on pizza grease is everywhere it's it's difficult that orange shit that drips off it's why the humidity stays in the air longer because it's oil it's what it is it's all it's very thick it's very thick yeah uh so what they find is inside the trunk when they pry the trunk open because it's all melted together they find find the body of an adult human person. A male is what they can tell from it. But that's it, because it's a burned up body in this trunk. And I don't have much else to go on, except here's a car with a burned out body in it.

And they're like, what the fuck do we do here? So, yeah, it's kind of a dead end at this point, and they're like what the fuck do we do here so uh yeah that's kind of a dead end at this point and they don't know what to do so uh that was uh now keep in mind dates august 18th 2010 now let's go back in time a little bit let's go back let's go back a few years let's go back years and let's talk about some people instead all right let's set the set the tone car fire it was 2010 looming over our heads. August of 2010. Now let's talk about a guy named Stephen Moore. Yeah.

A guy named Stephen Moore. Stephen Moore, the best way to describe him is just a laid back kind of guy. He's laid back. He's a happy kind of, kind of a happy-go-lucky kind of dude. He's from Southern California. He's raised in Southern California, which if you don't know, couldn't be more geographically and theoretically completely opposite of New Jersey. Yeah. Lifestyle wise is completely different.

It's so different. If you get on a plane in Newark and you fucking fly to San Diego and you get off a plane, you're like, I'm in a different country. How did this happen? There's no way it's the same country. there's no goddamn way i'm in the same country how can the culture go so far that's the thing in the u.s everybody goes how are we so fragmented because we're like five different countries that's why we're not fucking size nothing connects us right nothing nothing connects us other than if we pool together and have a big army we can keep people away from this fucking continent.

Other than that, what connects New Jersey to Alabama? Have you ever been there? There's nothing similar to them. Nothing. Connect Omaha to New York City. You can't do it. Nothing. There's nothing to know.

Connect Portland to... Fucking... Some of them are. Portland and Minneapolis are kind of very similar places. If you like Portland, you'll probably like Minneapolis. Portland and Orlando, entirely different world completely yeah it's there's like there's a northwest yeah there's a west coast yeah there's like a plains area and the cultures are completely different there's a southwest south we are right next to california

arizona and entirely different entirely different entire you can drive from phoenix to la in an afternoon and it's entirely different. And it's not like it changes with people. There's just desert, and then when you pop out on the other side of the desert, people are different, and things are different. And you're like, why is it not like that over on there? What happened? Why is weed illegal here, and it's fine over here?

It's just desert. You know what? Also, go to Riverside, then go to L.A. Entirely different worlds. Entirely different worlds. Yeah, that's a good point. And those are fucking close. it's just desert you know what also go to riverside then go to la entirely different world entirely different yeah that's a good point and those are fucking close go to riverside and go anywhere else and it's an entirely different world fucking riverside come on now people from riverside right now are nodding along there i know the reno you know what california they're right they're right that's all there is to it. Shit. No, they already have Sacramento. Yeah, they do.

Actually, Sacramento's nice. Sacramento's like a... It's not bad. Sacramento feels like it's in the Midwest. Yeah. It's weird. It's because they've got that, the small town feel of like being personal,

but then they're the capital, so they take that shit dead serious. They have that. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much there. There'd be no reason to be in Sacramento. Yeah, it would be a smaller town. But we liked it there. I liked Sacramento.

I thought it was nice and quiet and the people were cool. Fucking rad. None of the people were from there that came to the show, though. True. They were all from like Reno. Yeah. Everybody was like, I'm from Reno or San Jose, shit like that. Yeah.

Which I was like, okay, cool. Some of the fucking valley. They drove, though. So Stephen here, Stephen is from Southern California. Laid back kind of cat. He's a beach guy. Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So I mean, there's a certain laid back. You can't be all amped up at the beach. No. It's just one of those things. Jerry Seinfeld always says- That beach. Yeah. In New Jersey, you can be.

Look at those fucking medical wastes. Clean up the AIDS rags. Come on. I got my kids here, for Christ's sake. Smells like fish. Fish don't come 100 miles within the science. They're all dead. Right. They all fucking die. Where got my kids here for Christ's sake. Smells like fish. Fish don't come 100 miles within the sand. They're all dead. They all fucking die.

Where's my sausage? Somebody skim the water. Skim the fish out of here. Can we skim the ocean, please? Jesus Christ. So, yeah, it's a different type of thing. He lives out there. He's a laid back, calm kind of cat.

He grows up with his mom yeah uh obviously well not obviously some people don't but it's it's it's i would call it not uncommon to grow up around your mother probably a little more common than a little common so he but he hangs out with his mom like a lot into adulthood oh his mom's a travel agent yeah and by the way for you younger listeners that used to be a job where you would call a human being, most of the time about a 49 to 58-year-old woman who was recently divorced. You'd call her. That's who was a travel agent.

What are you talking about? Yeah, you're laughing, looking down. But that's who was a travel agent. In the 80s, that's a travel agent. You're like, I'm getting my life together. I said, you know what, Cal? I'm not doing it anymore. And I lost 30 pounds.

I got my real estate license, and I'm doing this on the side. She'll get the mom from Beetlejuice. It's fine. And I'm going to make my own way. Me and my children. I don't need anybody else. That's the 80s travel agent lady. So you would call a lady, and then you would ask them, you'd tell them where you want to

go, and in the general vicinity, and how much money you want to spend, and they would procure you plane tickets and hotel reservations. They do all this stuff that you can do in 10 seconds on your phone now. So that's why it's not a job anymore. It was probably a job, because it was probably racketeeringering where you'd be like, here's $600. I need this plane ticket. And they'd find it for $80 and then pocket the rest of that shit. Probably.

Yeah. There you go. You got your $400 ticket. I got a package. Because travel agents would put together packages that you'd buy. You'd have a rental car and a hotel and tickets to wherever. And they'd work it out with different ones. They'd probably all make a profit.

I'm sure they were on the take. Sons of bitches. How much are you looking to spend? Seven grand. I can do that. I got a trip for you. Hey, you know what? It's seven grand.

It's a lucky day. Weird. Taxes, everything included. Your lucky day. Seven grand. It takes spending money for food. Pretty fun. It's going to be good.

Buffet is not included. So, yeah, so she's a travel agent. Travel agents used to travel a lot because they, through their connection with these airlines, they were the special liaison. So they would get all sorts of perks from the airlines and hotels and shit. Keep everybody's miles. Yeah, probably. Well, I think they would just, it was like a commission thing for you, too. They would, whatever.

So travel agents would get free tickets everywhere and they would travel all over the world and if you're a travel agent it also helps your business to travel to tell people yeah i went here it's great and blah blah describe it yeah do it it's one of those things you're gonna lose your fucking mind yeah it's like i said grand what you can do on your phone in 10 seconds now you know what they have there this and this and then hey look there's a picture of that no slideshow from some lady so anyway thank you yelp and hotel tonight thank you so much so they would go uh all over the world and steven would travel with her so he was cool with that they traveled they went to asia they went to south america they got pictures of them on sitting on elephants and shit like yeah they did all sorts of you know cool shit cool shit yeah so he traveled around

all sorts of shit that would be awesome if you weren't a grown man doing it with your mother right you know what i mean sure would impress the pants off a lady yeah if mom wasn't here and there's nothing wrong with hanging out with your mom you should hang out with your mom but if you're a grown man and you're like going on a trip to rio and you got mom with you it's just not really the normal trip once every i don't know 20 years or so like mount rushmore with mom you know what i mean like there's somewhere you know like you don't go to rio where the they're like going to south america right where the reasonably reasonably priced hookers around that's what i mean exactly yeah you know what that's how you

should that's how you should judge who you go with how much are the prostitutes because i really feel like that is gonna be you gonna partake that's the thing i mean obviously if you're gonna go there and you're gonna get yourself third world prostitutes and you're gonna want them to be very inexpensive you can't have your mom next god no you're gonna have multiples can you imagine that people go to other countries just for like cheap weird sex that's bizarre i could not imagine being like i'm gonna weird sex i'm gonna buy a human being and travel for it's just so weird cheap weird sex that's like vastly and insanely illegal here oh yeah it's not just like going and finding a girl somewhere that's like downtrodden and probably for sure sex trafficked around the fucking world yeah it's like finding

an eight-year-old boy to do horrible things yeah that's crazy though and girls and boys and it's happening right now while we're talking and all sorts of fucking nuts yeah there's crazy places in the world people go on these weird yeah i don't understand that i could why are you going there oh no reason no reason at all they just happen to happen to have endangered koalas that are tied to a chair. I'm going to jerk off on them. I mean, I'm going to look at them and they're pretty. I'm going to go feed them. Yeah.

Throw them a penis. Super weird, dude. So that's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's weird people in the goddamn world that go to weird places to do weird things. Watching those documentaries on, not even documentaries it's just dateline like catching people doing it and catching a doctor doing it in some fucking crazy cambodian village and then they come back six months later and catch the same fucking guy oh yeah how do you catch the same guy over and over i read a thing recently where this woman found out that she was the product of her mother's gynecologist impregnated dozens of women

what he was he was yeah people who wanted to do whatever he would do it he was in he was putting his own his own his own essence yeah into people and so they wanted like artificial insemination he was putting his his in there oh that's terrible yeah so like oh my god they were they were finding trying to find all his patients lists and go back over and find so what dozens and dozens of kids that he they're all his is he dead i don't remember i hope somebody beats him to death this woman was fucking furious and i don't blame her oh my god yeah she's like found out that's my dad so it was pretty creepy shit yeah so there's i look it up out there it's i think it was in texas

if oh my god i'm not sure fucking horrifying it's one of the most horrifying things i've ever heard in my life reading it i'm like i don't even know how you gather yourself after that when people like say horrible things about guys and then i want to go i'm not but i'm not one of them like it's not everybody no you then you hear that story and you're like we're all shit bags we all suck so bad that's that's well that's gonna take you're taking the you're taking a big radius down with you you know what i mean you and anyone who looks like is pretty much gonna be an asshole after that happens you know whatever that guy looks like anybody close is a shit it's one of those things it's like you have to. That's just going to be

due to nature. He's terrible. So these two, they go around the world, not on sex tours, not to find young boys or anything like that, just to have mom... That we know of. We know of. They might have a weird mother-son connection, but I don't think so. They seem like nice people. His mom's name is Evelyn. She seems like a nice lady

also. Stephen's personality traits are he is kind of he's laid back. That would be his number one personality trait. Laid back, cool, calm, not real ambitious as well. Lazy? Not considered lazy. That's the thing.

He's not a guy who just sits on the couch and doesn't have a job. He's always got a job. He's always doing something. He just doesn't have any real ambition. He doesn't want to be CEO. He just wants to work. That's the thing. He doesn't have a job he's always got a job he's always doing something he just doesn't have any real ambition he doesn't want to be ceo he just wants to work well yeah that's the thing he doesn't want to be ceo and he doesn't want he doesn't uh he doesn't he gets a job and he doesn't want to move his way up the ladder he just works there for a little while until he's tired of and then he gets another job yeah always has a job he just never has any direction he's never like i'm working toward i got this business idea i'm gonna do it yeah none of that stuff it's just like not live to work just he lives by the beach and that's

you know i mean he's hanging out by the beach he's traveling with his mom so san diego that's what i mean he's that he's very just like yeah this is good yeah you know what do i need i got the beach here this is great so california you never heard that song i know it's a country that sounds terrible that's i love gary allen gary allen he's great you know it's his middle name you know it is he just sounds like a boring nondescript how you doing and he's not gary allen here let me sing for you i took my truck to the store today. That's Gary Allen. Very exciting.

You nailed it. I don't know if they're going to have what I want. They were out of 2% milk. Oh, shit. I had to get 1%. It's got a blue tint to it and I don't like it. It's got a blue tint. It looks like this one.

The color of an old lady's hair dye. That's a great truck. It's a great song. Bless you, Gary Allen. Sorry, Gary Allen. that's a great truck it's a great song and bless you gary allen sorry gary allen i don't know anything about you but i gave you a terrible song he's got a sleeve of tattoos his wife committed suicide and he took a break from country music and then he came back and he's better than ever i love him well yeah his wife committed suicide he's a country artist. He hit the jackpot. He hit the fucking country jackpot, man. Jesus Christ.

Only thing that would be better for him is his kid died of cancer. For fuck's sake. He's going to fucking sing sad songs. That's great. My baby. There's a million things you could sing about. Your dead woman.

Got a good point. You could go through the whole thing. He'll write an album about every stage of her sickness. Yeah. You know, it's... No, he just... She had... You got a point.

But she just out of the blue just shot herself. Oh! And he... Oh, my. Yeah, so he took a break for a while, and then he came back, and he's fucking rad. I love the guy. He's so good.

He's sad, probably. He's... I'm sure he's... Or ecstatic. back and he's fucking rad i love the guy he's so good he's sad probably he's i'm sure he's or ecstatic i think he's horribly sad okay and and it's great for him it's working out good for him i like it so comedy and country music yeah fucking embrace it now steven one thing he is into this is what he is into okay he's got an interest jimmy what do you and that's you know we think stamp collecting maybe he's into bodybuilding at the beach uh try rollerblading oh no and i'm talking not like hey i like to rollerblade for exercise no no no he he's like into it oh boy he tries to get other people into it he's the fastest no i have his friends. Yeah. He's so good at rollerblading that, wow, he takes the bronze medal in the national speed skating competition. The nationals.

The nationals. The bronze, which is great because there was up to and including four contestants for that. So he is right at the, you know, he's right there. He made a shot. He's right there. He's on the podium. Got a podium finish. That's what I'm saying. There's one guy just the, you know, he's right there. He made a show. He's right there. He's on the podium. Got a podium finish. That's what I'm saying.

There's one guy just going, you motherfucker. You son of a bitch. You lousy bastard. Look at you in your goddamn lime green bike shorts. You son of a bitch bastard. So that's how much he's into it. That's the only thing he really has ambition for is rollerblading, which is a shame because there's absolutely no way to make a living at that.

No. I don't think there's a rollerblading. Is there some sort of professional rollerblading? which is a shame because there's absolutely no way to make a living at that. No. I don't think there's a rollerblading. Is there some sort of professional rollerblading? There's got to be something. If so, I don't think it pays well. I mean, if you're into it, you could create your own rollerblade line and have a name in rollerblading and sell those. I don't think he's doing that, though.

He doesn't seem like he has the ambition for that. But he loves to skate fast and shit like that. Sell at least four pairs. Yeah. He doesn't really have a serious girlfriend. We're talking all through his 20s. He gets to be 30. Playboy.

He's still Playboy. Just going around the world with mom on his rollerblades. Crushing it. Playboy. If that doesn't say Playboy, I don't know what does. So he's all through the 90s. He's just hanging out kind of just you know directionless rudderless and uh you know just roller rollerblading and shit like that

so uh finally though he his mother decides she's going to retire from the real estate from the travel agent business which is in like 2003 which really wasn't a choice at that moment yeah there wasn't really a choice to retire. It was just kind of like- They retired her. People figured out the internet. Right. It's over.

William Shatner has put an end to your career. Ruined me. Yeah. 10,000 travel agents or one idiot? One wife killing jackass. Take your pick. You know what? Your job is so insignificant, a garden gnome has put you out

of business exactly that's all of you every last one every last one every last one of you bastards i'm sorry well at least by then most of them probably were to retirement age so good for them yeah yeah they all started in their 50s and they've've seen the world. Oh, they've seen it all. So they have pictures to prove it. So now Evelyn, his mother, decides, and this is a weird choice, not a choice we see a lot in the world. She decides to retire and move from the beach of Southern California to New Jersey. Oh, boy. Which is not the, she's going against the migration pattern, is what I'm getting at. There's several migration

patterns from the east coast none of them are to new jersey for retirement you flee new jersey as soon as you stop working and they go to florida or they come out here or somewhere else you're navigating the stampedes coming towards san diego yeah as you get back to jersey exactly yeah they go crazy they go like south carolina they don't go here salmon slimming up straight stop this weird shit so yeah you are where you should be so she heads to new jersey and steven says well i have nothing else here really i don't have a life i'll just pack my car up and move with mom to new jersey now at the same time too he wants to be closer to he doesn't want to be two thousand000, 3,000 miles away from his mom.

His mom's a diabetic also, so he said, you know, I want to be close to her in case anything happens. She needs help. Shit like that. She doesn't really need help. No, but you want to be close. Yeah, nearby. In case there's anything. Plus, I just think he's a little bit enmeshed.

Okay. You know, and it's not a bad thing. People are, but I think he's a little enmeshed. He hasn't separated himself. Got it. He needs mom. He needs mom. Exactly.

He needs mom. If you're 30 and you haven't had any serious relationships and you travel around the world with your mom and you hang out with your mom and she's retired and you want to move, you haven't broken out into your own life yet. It's nice, but at some point. You're not an individual yet. At some point, you haven't made yourself your own life yeah you need to get your life and you can hang out with your mom too because it's great to spend time don't you know ditch your parents but jesus christ but you also need a life as well and that you can then go tell your parents about right and they can be proud of you right but

they can't be proud of you for you being their're their shadow. You're here all the time. Right. You're next to me. Do something to make me proud. Damn it. Have a meal without me. Yeah. Go do. Fine. Give me grandchildren.

Okay. You can't do that in front of me. I'm retired. Yeah. I don't want to see it. Right. Put it that way. I did.

I realized I saw it in Thailand, Stephen, but not now. So this is not Cambodia. This is not Cambodia. So, yeah. So they pack their cars up they go and uh that's it this is in about 2004 they end up in new jersey and so they're there a couple years steven continues his ways he gets some jobs and kind of loses some that loses but finds other jobs and things like that everybody likes steven too nice guy laid-back dude, and he's not like a guy who they're like, oh, Jesus Christ, he shows up and falls asleep on the job. He's not that kind of guy.

He tries. Yeah, he tries. He's just like, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to do this. He just hasn't found his way. He seems like a guy who is perpetually 22 years old and just graduated college and doesn't know what he's going to do with himself.

He's just going to sleep on mom's couch for a few months until he figures it out. Listen, I'd love to have done that. It sounds wonderful. If I had no kids by the time I was 28. We were both, yeah, we both had kids young. That would be amazing to be able just to. It was difficult.

We never did that. No, I had to make a living for somebody else. Bastards. We have some responsibility. Yeah, watch them, make sure they for somebody else. Bastards. Have some responsibility. Yeah. Keep looking. Watch them.

Make sure they don't die. Right. You know how that works. Right. So finally, in 2006, he meets a woman. He meets a woman named Kathleen Dorsett. She sounds hot. So, yeah, he meets her, and he's into her.

Yeah. And he's like, it's weird, because this is the first time he's really been kind of telling people, look, I met this woman. I dig her, and blah, blah, her. Yeah. And he's like, it's weird because this is the first time he's really, you know, been kind of telling people, look, I met this woman. I dig her and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. He's in his thirties. So they're happy for him. They're like, hey, good for you. You know, now Kathleen, she is a she's a kindergarten teacher.

So, I mean, you know, not like she's, you know, well, you know, she's she dances at a couple of different places. One of them, it's a Hell's Angels bar, not going to lie to you, but, you know, it's one of the more, it's not one of those deals. The other one's in Thailand. The other one's in Thailand. She doesn't actually dance there. She just manages the eight-year-old boys. So it's a, she's not, it's not her.

She's a kindergarten teacher. And her parents, she's very close with her parents. They live across the street. She lives across the street from her parents. Okay. She's got a house across the street from her, like right across the street. At least it's not in her house. That's the thing.

Yeah. They don't live together, but it's like, you know, it's next door and across the street. But I can see why they like each other. They're both very into the family aspect. They're both enmeshed in their families. Exactly. That's a big thing for Steven too, because I feel like uh when he's around her she's all in with her family and i think that makes him feel comfortable because that's what he's used to so

that's a possibility so uh her parents too she comes from a nice family uh her parents are known as good people her her her father th Thomas, owns a refrigeration business, like an air conditioning and refrigeration. Yeah, and he's known as kind of the fix-it guy on the street. He's a guy where if you're,

let's say something, you have brakes, that's, you know, air conditioner's not working, something. Before you call anybody to repair it, you call Thomas to come over

and take a look at it. Oh, to tell you exactly who you need. Or he might be able to fix it. Or I might be able to wrap it up right now that's the thing he'll go over and fix it for people and you know it's like the town the the street handyman he shovels people's drive like old ladies driveways without being asked he's just like hey you know this is what he does he's kind of the he's like the street mayor kind of a thing i would call him he's yeah it's the best way to put it.

Mayor of the street, which seems like a nightmare. How do you know when to stop shoveling? When there's no more snow left, where you want a car to go. Okay, I guess that's a good point. It's as easy as that. How do you find the road? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how plow drivers do that shit.

Oh, the road plowing. Oh, yeah, yeah. They just fucking, they have a plow, so they just go and whatever they hit is the road now. Your mailbox is part of the fucking road now. That's it.

That's nuts. You can see, because I mean, there are places, I assume, where you probably can't see, but they just drive. They just drive,

push that shit off to the side. What if there's a curb there? You know what I mean? Well, that's why the curbs are so dinged up back east. God, Jesus curbs are all fucked up back east that's why snow plows hitting them yeah and they've been there for 150 years and you know things get things happen but i see these guys on the weather channeled with like it's just white and they're just driving a truck just blasting snow out of an area what if that's not the road man it's the road now there's no

snow here so if you're gonna drive on the road with the snow or here without it i suggest here what are you doing making a road making things happen yeah what are you doing i guess you got a point i i just can't i don't know how they do it i don't know i don't understand how that's a road pussy so yeah it's it's a little it's fucking crazy so he's busy with his business though and his wife uh kathleen's mom leslie is a member of the local school board uh she's an elected member of the school board so she's known as i mean people elected her yeah to look over school shit so they know she is she's trustworthy and uh i would assume nurturing or of some kind as well and uh kathleen same thing she's she's always wanted kids she

loves children she's a kindergarten teacher uh she's very studious kathleen yeah she's very opposite steven when it comes to this steven's real laid back he's the guy where you know let's say let's say back in the day if he had a checkbook he's gonna like write his checks and at the end of the day he's gonna like try to remember what he did and jot it down in his show he's not gonna be like what was that 5603 okay hold what was the name of the he's not that guy he's just like whatever it's cool like i'll figure it out but he's not like irresponsible he's just laid back he's he's a fucking beach guy and she keeps it all together oh my god she's there too it's everything is lined up yeah everything's lined up scheduled you know there's on calendars and things are done and which i mean track james and well they might

fill in each other's gaps which hopefully is you know hey we'll fill in your gaps yeah so they might fill out in each other's gaps in terms of yeah he needs a little more down-to-earthness or responsibility and she could probably loosen up a little bit chill out bitch she could probably yeah cheer up bitch she could probably use a little bit of relax in her as well because she's she is considered a bit uptight that's the thing uh not in like uh like uh you know well i'm trying to get my shit together uptight like you know unnecessarily uptight like all right relax now yeah we get it all right calm down kathleen making an ass of yourself yeah come down here so uh but everybody

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airs on max starting april 21st bye bye the official jinx podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts yeah probably just because i can finally get some time to myself now for the love of god jesus christ i can finally just sit in the tub with a box of wine and a big dildo and chill the fuck out i'm gonna worry about when i walk in this room, is there going to be a 30-year-old man dick out being stroked? I'm going to buy 107 dildos. Sorry, the dildo thing. That's where I was.

I wasn't trying to be just crass. That's fantastic. It was a callback. There, yeah. So I'm buying 107 dildos, a box of wine. I need you to move out because I need that room as my D room. Trimming up the pucker brush and we're going to fucking town. All right.

It's going to be to the fucking wall. Act two, bitches. Get ready. I don't go to Cambodia anymore. I need a room in my house for that shit. That's right. I'm going to be filthy. So, yeah, she's a Kathleen, though, kindergarten teacher in Neptune, New Jersey.

And he is excited and she's excited. The mother, Evelyn, is excited for Steven because he seems happy, number one. And, you know, he seems like, oh, my son's growing up finally. You know, he's just he's getting it's just one of the steps. You don't have, stunted in their in their in their adulthood a little bit, then they find a long term relationship with someone who seems solid. You go, that seems like a step toward more maturity anyway. And not just that, but a happier life and a happier life. If he's happy, too, that's the other thing.

He's excited. He wanted to find somebody. He just never did. So it wasn't like he didn't give a shit. So, yeah, she's she uh like i said she owns her own house right across the street from her children from her parents which is weird uh steven at one point they go out to california because steven's so excited he wants to introduce kathleen all of his friends like all of his old friends so he takes her there i'm sure he made

a rollerblade at some point you know she had had the rollerblade. You're not going to believe how much fun this is. Oh, you're going to love it. And she's like, I feel like a dork. I think they're laughing at us. Those are children. There's children throwing rocks at us. Do you understand? And they're laughing at us.

It's not cool. Not at all. That eight-year-old just called you a homo. I'm just going to say. I don't know. It was either you or he called me that. It was super immature. Are you going to fight him? Super immature super immature i would say but he's eight so what do you expect i don't know where he learned that

language i'm not happy about it but you know so yeah this is so his friends are like his friends thought it was interesting they were happy for him obviously but they were like wow they're really different yeah they're just way opposite of each other. They were a little bit taken aback by how different they were, but they said it seemed to work. It was one of those things where the first five minutes you meet them, you're like, whoa, this is really opposite, but then a couple hours

in, you're like, oh, they kind of fill in each other's soft spots. What she can't do, he can. What he can't do she can yeah they went out you know eating dinner and shopping and hanging out at the beach and doing all that kind of shit uh he when they in new jersey is even more into his career now uh he gets a job at a honda dealership and he works his way up and becomes like an assistant manager look he's he

doesn't quit after six months. He's into it. He's doing well. They give him the keys. He's the guy that opens the shop up or opens the place up in the morning. What year is this? This is 2006, 2007-ish.

So, I mean, yeah, he's doing, it's like shocking. Like, oh my God, there's a new Steve and he's got a relationship. He's caring about his job. He's got a promotion and he's like excited about it. Right. You know, he's not like, oh great, now I'm going to be now i'm gonna be trapped here now you're shit today oh christ now i have responsibilities but he was into it he told his friends that he was he

feels like he's he's growing up you know what i mean his work says his manager said he's a team player and if anything you need you can depend on steven for it he's right there and yeah so it was like uh boss has ever said that about me no yeah they're like well you know uh if he applies himself he's all right he complains a lot i remember my i got a job he says why a lot and i feel like that's a problem i got a job because i knew i was gonna get fired from another job and when the when the people that i i can sense it coming i know i feel it when it's coming when the people that I... I can sense it coming. I know. I feel it when it's coming.

When the people from the new job called him to ask him... I feel like a buffalo feeling an earthquake. He was like super encouraging of them to hire me so that he didn't have to fire me. Fucking Trojan horse to you in there. He's great. So that he didn't have to fire me. Fucking Trojan horse you in there. He's great. But he told them he's really good when you focus your time with him and teach him how to do things.

That's what he told them. That they're going to have some fucking trouble teaching me how to do what I need to do. He's a little slow. I'm not going to lie to you. Just a touch slow. But that's exactly what he did is Trojan horse me in there that's hilarious he didn't want to that is but he was gonna have to fucking funny man trojan horse him that's rough it's like oh no he's the best he didn't say that i'm sad to lose him i'm really i'm i'm depressed about it

i think he said that i think he'll be happier happier you know what he's been so good with me that I just I wanted to do the best right by him I think this is a good transition for him I think it'd be great for him I'm pretty sure

he said those words and then you left and he did like a happy dance he was like yes he's like gone not gonna have to pay unemployment

yeah not gonna have to pay fuck that guy he's terrible at his job not our problem anymore not our problem peace. Not our problem. Peace, bitch. Now he's yours.

So Stephen and Kathleen, they're getting really close, and Kathleen is anxious to start a family. She's a kindergarten teaching woman in her 30s. She wants fucking kids, and she wants them now. She wants them yesterday. So she's like, you are going to impregnate me immediately let's do this shit which you know i mean biological clock is ticking and she likes kids and wants kids yeah works around kids every day so give me a goddamn kid here so they uh april 1st 2007 they

get married yeah so look at this so i mean he went from two years before this this directionless guy who's following his mom across the country right now he's got a job and he's got a wife that wants a family and he's starting he's hey look at him he's making a life for himself here so i he was just really happy he said that he tells his friends i told his friends that he's finally settling down now and he feels like a real grown-up he's like you know I got a family here I got my mom I take care of I got a job I feel like I'm doing things you know what I mean and right away they like I said Kathleen

wants kids yesterday so about a year and a half after the wedding they have a daughter a young Elizabeth is born and a cute little kid and so very nice there they have a daughter yeah it's about December 2008 Elizabeth is born and uh cute little kid yeah and so uh very nice there they have a daughter yeah it's about this is decemberish 2008 elizabeth is born he's happy there's pictures of them all you know

him smiling smiling he's a little little girl and you know you know i understand you have a little girl i have a little girl it's awesome oh look at this this is crazy yeah it's awesome so uh and kathleen was all about having a kid she was into this shit she uh makes her own baby food she uh uses recyclable like reusable diapers no yeah those people are terrible that's just disgusting that's my mother making your own baby food is one thing yeah my mom didn't do that she used the the diapers because she was a broke bitch she was cheap yeah she didn't have money to be uh the diapers because she was a broke bitch. Because she was cheap. Yeah. She didn't have money to be putting things on me and throwing them away. Throwing them away.

That's literally throwing your money away. That's the way she saw it. It's also covered in shit. Yeah. It's also throwing shit away, mom. You know when I throw my money away? When it's covered in shit. I'd rather throw that away.

Not my mom. She takes that money and washes it and then covers it and shit again oh that's just wonderful and i found out because she had me dust the furniture when i was a teenager this rag is thick it's weird and she's like it used to be your diaper only that's disgusting as i threw it across the room you used to shit in that great thanks i don't even know that how long does shit particles stay on things? I mean, you could wash it, but it's never really going to go away. No, they're always on there, I think. It's always in there.

I don't think you can ever just wash all of it out. You can't de-shit something, I don't feel like. No, never. Once there's poop, there's poop. That's all there is to it. It's why we make it all go away. Yeah, you get rid of it. It goes in a little thing and it's gone.

It has a specific receptacle. We don't save it for a while and then take it out in a bag like garbage in the kitchen. It's gone immediately. And we use harsh fucking chemicals to clean that thing. You don't even have to look at it. You can still be sitting there and get rid of it. That's how much we don't like it. We put it in a bag where it never happened.

You can get up and be like, I don't know. I was just sitting down for a while. i felt something i pressed a button i'm in a tiny private room and i'm still embarrassed about it i'm in here by myself and there's still shame loud fan going i still feel shame for some reason why is that we've we've taken it down to the most the most sanitary way possible we can be put it into brand new water every time clean as a whistle and we still hate ourselves in a clean thing that we've cleaned with harsh chemicals i'm not gross okay it's i've it's i know that's gross but i'm putting it in a very clean place oh that's such a hysterical function it's fine

it's fine so still shame still still i still feel gross about this. Still feel not good about it. No one else can see this. I still feel gross about it. It's not great. I'm sitting here on this cold, uncomfortable seat, hating myself. Not good.

For what I'm doing right now. Why'd I eat that? Why'd I eat that? I knew it was going to happen. I need something, but still. Here it is. Bastard. So, Stephen is feeling his own shit shame here, I guess.

Stephen is going well. Daughter, wife. Like I said, she's a little bit kind of overbearing with the daughter a little bit of, you know, Oh, and I'll hold her. I'll do this. But she's a new mom and she's wanted a kid for a long time.

So it's just kind of like, Hey, you know, I get it. She's a new mom and she's overprotective and news. New moms are like that for a minute. Calm down a little bit. But for the first little while,

it's very much like, Oh, this is a, and it's, that's just, that's a knack. That's nature. Yeah. That's,'s you know you can't really help that i don't think i think that's just like i said protecting that's that's nature's way of making it so you don't kill your kid because it's such a pain in the ass so your your brain works and i you an overdrive to take

care of this thing rather than you know what you would do if your animal instincts kicked in would be like i'm gonna fucking throw this thing out in the yard and never look for it again. Shit, it cries all the time. There's shit everywhere. It's not even ashamed of itself. Doesn't even go be alone. Yeah. Does it right in my face?

Yeah. So we have a thing in our brains that makes us go, it's adorable and I love it. And, you know, I want to take care of it. Whatever it does is fine. Yeah. Whatever it does is fine yeah it's whatever it does is fine it's even cute you know so uh even the in-laws are nice and they fucking better because they live across the street so if they're a pain in the ass you're in deep shit yeah uh they're

nice they get along and oh god it's so close dude it's right there every time he looks out the window you know he's gonna feel like if thomas is outside mowing the lawn he's there he is so that's also one of those things where they're gonna judge your yard and they're gonna go so you're gonna fix that thing out in the for christ's sake call you for that yeah come on man you're the handyman you do it jesus christ uh also uh they loved the granddaughter obviously the the grandparents loved the granddaughter so they helped out with elizabeth as well that's nice there's a nice little thing there that's that's nice to have family close when you have a young child like that and uh yeah everybody's everybody's doing well uh except after

a minute things kind of take a little bit of a turn yeah because they expected steven expected kathleen to start to chill out about the baby after a while. And then it doesn't happen. After a few months, he's still not allowed to hold the baby. It's on-the-job training. That's what I'm saying. I need to try it. Well, he would take the baby and she'd go, you're holding her wrong.

Give me the baby. And then he wasn't allowed to hold the baby for a while. It was one of those things like, okay, you're doing it wrong. You're not changing your diaper right. I'll do it. You're not doing this aren't you exhausted lady you don't put her down for a nap at the right time so it's like jesus christ so it starts to starts to breed some tension as you might imagine with the couple here uh and he's just he's just a laid-back kind of dude who wants to have fun with his daughter and be a nice dad like he's not doing anything

wrong and even for her she in her, she's taking care of the baby. And, you know, Stephen's not going to hold the baby, right? Well, then Stephen doesn't get to hold the baby right now. That's the way it is for her. She's protecting the baby. So everybody thinks they're right. And I'm not going to say anybody's being even an asshole. Everybody's kind of just doing what their instincts are, I would say, in my mind.

I'm going to give everybody the benefit of the doubt for now and just say. After a few months, though. That's the thing well it gets it gets a little bit on the weird side uh where she's hovering all the time and she's just not trusting it's just a little bit fucking weird she would be like uh one time they're at a family gathering it's a you know barbecue party that sort of thing for july July or some shit. Some shit like that. And this is when Elizabeth is, I believe it's about eight months old-ish.

And it's the time when she's getting teeth, and you start to give them food with chunks in it. And it's like the stage three or whatever, little pieces of spaghetti and all that shit, the Gerber. Not with her, because she's making it herself. Right. She's leaving the sweet potatoes a little chunky. A little chunky for her at this point. And this is the time when you remember this everybody does this with kids people are dicks basically when a kid starts to get teeth you go let's put shit in their mouth that we know they won't like and then they'll make a hilarious face and we'll take

pictures and then we'll wonder why they have trust issues for their entire fucking life why is that ingrained in their brain not to trust anybody that was jalapeno you dumb shit yeah so this is shutting the nibble down that isn't that while the kid is given a thing from their only source of protection and food and shelter and all the life-giving things they trust you implicitly and you go here's this and then you and all your friends laugh at them and take pictures and then you go i wonder was why my kid doesn't show yeah that's why and that kid fucked him up that kid could talk they say why did i eat that because a second ago you gave me a strawberry it was fucking delicious and then now this and now this thing i trust you because

guess what can't get food from anywhere else not like i can just order a pizza right so uh you know anyway steven here he says okay at a party he gives uh elizabeth a little tiny piece of sauerkraut okay because the kid's not gonna like sauerkraut she's gonna make a little face it's not gonna hurt her it's sauerkraut it's not like it's poison or it's not like it's cayenne pepper or something it sure tastes like poison it's it's just she's gonna to go, and then they're going to go, oh, isn't that funny? Well, Kathleen lost her fucking mind. Really?

Lost her mind. Everyone thought it was funny. Kathleen rips the baby out of his hand. How dare you? You don't feed a baby sauerkraut. What the hell is wrong with you? How dare you? You're a fucking...

I mean, screaming at him in the middle of a family gathering about he's a terrible father. And everyone's just like, what the fuck, dude? Like, everyone's like, okay. And then, like, he would talk. He'd be like, what the fuck? And they were like, look, it's her first kid.

She's just overprotective. But then it didn't wear off. I mean, the kid's teething already, for Christ's sake. That's the point. Eight months old, this kid should be, I mean, she should be not giving a damn right now. Or at least, you know, a little bit more like, oh, yeah, that's funny. Ha ha. Whatever.

You don't have to laugh along, but you could not be a dick about it. Yeah. Just be like, yeah, yeah. Oh, come on. Leave the kid alone. In eight months, some occurrence should have happened by now where sauerkraut takes a real far back seat exactly like my kid was i think my kid was six months old and he blasted his head open yeah yeah and and and uh

if if lisa would have given him uh some sort of sauerkraut at eight months old the last thing i'm doing is being upset at least he's not bleeding yeah that's that's what I'm saying. It's ridiculous. It's just stupid. I think sauerkraut is kind of a symptom of a bigger illness. I feel like maybe if they were happier, maybe the sauerkraut wouldn't have been such a big deal. It's one of those things, possibly. Also, the in-laws living across the street starts to get a little troublesome for him because it's a lot. I mean, I lived across the street at one point from my in-laws with my ex-wife years and years and years ago. And they're really nice people who I really liked a lot.

But to have people right across the street from you has nothing to do with who they are. It's a matter of just you need privacy of some kind you can't have your family on top of you you barely you barely want people that you don't know to live across that's what i'm saying ideally i really don't yeah i really don't if they have if people started abandoning this neighborhood and there was like oh i'd be like awesome this is great so long as squatters don't as long as it stays empty i'm good with it i'm happy put them all up for sale great move out so and these are nice people it still doesn't matter so they would come over here i'm talking about my neighbors and the dorsets are nice people too anyway yeah the

dorsets thomas and leslie they come over all the time and they start to come over more and more uh then they would start to come over unannounced yeah they just come knock on the door then after a while they stop knocking they just walk in walk on in the house how's it going guys fuck off huh get out you imagine my dick's out hi uh yeah tugging i'm in the middle of something real important obviously as you can see by the you're a part of this before me so i mean i don't know you can see by the spectacle before me. So, I mean, I don't know. You can leave or don't. You're called out. You can talk shit to me.

I like... You talk dirty. I mean, that might help, I guess. Tell me how much you hate sauerkraut. Just tell me that. No, no, not you, Leslie. Thomas is who I want to tell you. Yeah, that's better.

Jesus Christ. The raspier voice. So, he felt that was a little bit over overboard you know what i mean and uh you know between that and elizabeth not so he's not even allowed to like hold his daughter he can't do anything the it's a smothering environment for him and he feels like it's all about he's he feels like they're trying to squeeze him out. So he just decides, I'm done with this shit. Yeah. He leaves. Okay.

He walks out. Elizabeth is 10 months old. He walks out and, you know, leaves her. Doesn't have her pants on. Just fucking dick swinging. Yeah. Doesn't even care. Didn't even stop jerking it.

So still stroking. Walking down the street to the bus stop tugging. That's how it works. He's going to fit in on that bus. You know it. That's what I'm saying. On a public bus. Yeah.

I mean, that stickiness. That isn't sewed on the floor, everybody. So October 15th, 2009 is when he leaves. Okay. This is how not upset about it she is. That's October 15th. On October 26th, she files for divorce. Right now.

So it's e fucking immediately don't give a shit her first free day done yeah i had a i had slipped over scheduled 26th i have open i'm gonna do that shit and then after that it would get things got combative too between them because now he's got to take the baby you know on his own and that she does not like that at all because she doesn't get to oversee and control and he's kind of cool for him though he could give her a piece of sauerkraut he could hold her wrong i mean good god how about this tragedy could ensue could ensue here uh so he would they would fight in public now where he'd be at work he'd be like at the Honda dealership with a customer,

and she would blast in the door with the baby in her arms, screaming and yelling at him that he didn't put her down for a nap. No. And now she's tired. Oh, no. In the middle. She's busting in like she's Lorraine Bracco in Goodfellas. 2-R Rossi.

Janice Rossi. Nothing but a whore. She's like superintendent. Yeah, you have a I just want to tell you have a whore living in your building. Rossi to our Janice Rossi. Do you hear me? Get your own goddamn man. He's my husband.

She doesn't get to yell at him at home anymore. So now she's coming to where she knows where to find him. Yeah, but either way, he's going to she doesn't get to yell at him at home anymore so now she's coming to us right where she knows where to find him yeah but either way he's gonna get the brunt of something the point is you gotta text that shit lady you don't get to yeah you know this is not this is 2009 you don't have to do this anymore so yeah she would do that and all the all the employees were like jesus christ all his co-workers like what's up with that shit and he's just telling all his friends i feel like all she wanted was a baby out of me and as soon as that baby was done like that was she was done with me had no more interest in me and he was kind of uh he was

kind of sad about that as you know one would be yeah the main point is this is not an easy separation and they're fighting over the daughter a lot. This is a thing here. Now, the problem is, at one point, Kathleen wants to move. Not just move to the next town. She wants to move to Florida. And they're divorced now. They're getting divorced. They're in the process of it. They're trying to agree to custody and shit like that.

And she wants to leave the state. She wants to leave to go to Florida. Go ahead. And her parents want to go to Florida as well. Well, with Elizabeth. That's the thing. She wants to move with Elizabeth. Now now obviously he does would rather that not happen so what they end up doing is and this is this is crazy and this is all through lawyers and the

courts and everything like they didn't just call each other and be like come to an agreement or anything like that they're not reasonable when it comes to shit like that they're not amicable they're not amicable there's nothing amicable this. So what they do is they come to an agreement that Kathleen shall be allowed to move to Florida with Elizabeth under these conditions, okay? She has to find housing for Stephen in Florida as well because Stephen's going to move there as well to be near Elizabeth.

She's got to find housing for Stephen there. She would be responsible for providing that residence to him for at least five years where he would only be responsible for partial rent okay uh maximum payment of six hundred dollars a month rent from him and she would have to make up the difference that's how that works for five years oh okay let's move to west palm okay now that's not it though too there's more thomas her father who's got a business thing going down there uh would have to help steven get a job in florida as well and steven would not be obligated to pay any child support until thomas found him a job down there strike one for the good guys wow this is crazy so that's funny you can tell jimmy's a divorced guy who got railroad yeah

a divorced guy who's not happy with his no with his my agreement is her agreement yeah she is thrilled and i am pissed is that so because she is not finding me a job nor nor paying providing your housing or anything like that so now that sounds great let's say at the end of the contract here there is one clause that's a little stipulation if either of them if kathleen or tom or steven dies the other would get custody of Elizabeth, which is pretty standard anyway. That sounds right. It's in writing in here, so there's no like, it wouldn't be up for any debate, which I

don't know why it would be anyway. It's very weird. Dad, your house got real small. Wake up, Dad. Yeah, hey. Jesus Christ. This place sucks. It's cold down here.

Fuck, man. It's not cool. She's living with me, damn it. I don't care. I don't give a shit. I don't care if there's a weird guy with a shovel that works here at night. It's fine. So she, Jesus Christ, they're in this divorce paperwork's a nightmare.

In this divorce paperwork, there is, oh my god jimmy they're arguing about text messages for christ's sake i mean two adult people having to go to court to have another adult person who went to law school fucking sit here and and litigate their text messages tell them to ignore each other yeah referee their their bullshit and their text mail well he said she said well that was a rude text message and it would like she complained to the court that steven would refuse to speak with her about the child's eating and sleeping habits and that his text didn't provide her with enough information about the care from their daughter and uh yeah she basically and he would say i I don't need to text her every five minutes.

No, she wants literally the baby just had this much to eat. The baby just shit. She wants to know when the baby went to the bathroom. Baby, I just put her down for a nap. She'll be asleep for 37 minutes. She's like, that's what Kathleen wants. And he's like, no, no, I'm not going to do that from San Diego, babe. Not going to do it. He's like, i'm the kid's father she's fine i don't do this much paperwork at

work that's the thing and there's cars and financing involved this is ridiculous there have been numbers and shit we gotta keep track of these things this is bullshit these are units there is one particular one where uh she said uh that jesus, that, quote, this is her to the court. This was brought on because I was not nice to him on the phone after he informed me that our daughter had finally, had just finally fallen asleep after pacing the crib at 750. And she also wrote in the court documents, at home, she is in bed and asleep with no pacing by 7.25, the latest. Then she says, this shows how uncomfortable she is with Steven. No.

Or. Yeah, you're a boring bitch. Or, yeah, kid's tired. Dad's fun. Or just not tired. Yeah. And he says, in the court documents, a pretty simple response, he says, there was one occasion when Elizabeth fell asleep 10

minutes past her bedtime because she was not tired yeah which you know what that seems we were having a blast seems pretty fucking reasonable to me i'm gonna say right there so uh she was giggling august 16th 2010 i remember the date and should sound semi-familiar august 18th was where we started uh steven does not show up for work at the honda dealership that morning okay he doesn't show up uh they call him and call him and he doesn't answer they text him he doesn't return texts the shit's going to voicemail they're like that's weird phone's off no they're like yeah that they're like this is weird it's not he's not answering it's not like steven steven's the guy who's supposed to open the place up and he's very

reliable uh they are also know what hell he's going through with this divorce and shit like that. So they're like, maybe Steven's having a hard time. But they know that Steven had his daughter the night before. He was going to leave work to pick up his daughter. And he had his daughter that night. Maybe booked an early flight to Cambodia. You never know. Yeah, he dropped the daughter off.

So they know that that morning he's supposed to drop the daughter off with Kathleen before work because that's his routine when he has the daughter on days he works, the nights before he works. So the Honda dealership calls Kathleen to say, hey, sorry to bother you, but just wondering, have you seen Steven this morning? He didn't show up for work and we're just worried about him. And she said, oh, yeah, he stopped by, dropped Elizabeth off, and he took off and waved bye to him and that was that i don't know that's the last i saw of him and so they're like all right i mean that seems normal so they don't know what to do they're like what do we do here uh they think okay where could he possibly be then they remember one of the

guys comes in and says he was telling me that his mom took off and went and was going on a week vacation up to maine oh and uh he knows this because steven was driving a different car than he normally drives and the guy said did you get rid of your car and steven said no i gave my mom my car and steven is a newer car yeah and uh new accord it's probably a nice new accord or something like that gave gave uh his mom his car to drive to ma because it's a newer car, more reliable. Didn't want his mom to be broken down on the side of the road driving to Maine. The worst. Nice kid.

Nice guy here. So gives his mom the car. So they know his mom's in Maine. So they said maybe his history likes to go away with his mom. Maybe he's up there. Maybe he went to Maine to just get away for a minute because of all this bullshit you know it's not like him but you know maybe it slipped his mind to call us people go through weird shit when they're going through a divorce and they have

problems and he might have been just mumbling like god damn son of a fucking man just drove to maine who knows we forgot it was monday forgot where the hell exactly so they said you know shit let's try to get a hold of evelyn maybe i'm sure evelyn will know where he is. And I'm sure he at least called her. So they called Evelyn. Do you know where your son is? And she said, not at all. No, I thought I figured he'd be at work, you know. So they went, oh, shit, what do we do now?

So now they start panicking. What if something happened to him where Steven? So they call the cops. Our guy's missing. You know, they wait till noon because he is an adult. So they wait till noon. Maybe he'll show up. He might overslept who the fuck knows he might have went and tied one on at nine o'clock

in the morning we have no idea you don't you don't know what you're capable of until you get a divorce that's the thing until you're in the middle of fighting over custody of children yeah a contentious divorce where it's like there's anger and animosity. When you're going through that shit, you know what crazy shit you're willing to do to clear your mind. That's the thing. So they said maybe that's what it is, but that wasn't it. Where the hell is it? So they call the cops, and they're thinking maybe he got in a car accident on the way to work. In Jersey, there's a lot of woods and shit.

He could have went off the road into a ditch, hit a tree or something, could be unconscious laying in the woods somewhere for all they know. So they call the cops, and the cops, they're looking on the sides of roads for him basically uh the route where he would have gone from kathleen's house to work and anywhere where he would have gone they're they're looking for maybe his car disabled on the side of the road or something like that uh you know so it's it's it's just it's a mystery but it's one of those things where they're like, it's a grown man. Who the fuck knows? So after a while, though, they look around.

They don't find any crashes. There's no crashes reported. He's just disappeared into thin air. So at this point, it's a little weird. We got away from the call. Yeah, and based on his mom and based on his job saying not like him at all, he checks in. You know where Steven is. He doesn't just

disappear like that uh based on all that the detectives said all right we need to they get detectives involved to try to find this guy they start looking into his life uh so they're like okay they look he's he's in the middle of a divorce that's a good place to start let's talk you know let's see about kathleen so they look at kathleen and they they see uh she's like an award-winning teacher she's a she makes her own baby food right uh not exactly someone who you would be like when someone disappears i bet she had something to do with it you know what i'm saying they're looking at it they're like yeah i know that they've had problems and shit like that but criminally like we're not really looking at her as a as her as a criminal type of thing.

How ruthless is that car business? Yeah. Maybe a dude over at Toyota. That's what I'm saying. Got real pissed. Maybe he stole a sale from somebody. Somebody over at Acura's like, you're selling those Accords a little too good. We're not moving these Accuras. Even another Honda person was like, you know what?

They were looking at a pilot and you put them in an Accord. You cost me a commission, asshole. Thanks a lot. You're going to knock them off. You never know. So they look into that they they they check into what he does and is he into anything does he a is he a gambler yeah you know so they look at his bank account maybe he's got some weird transactions or maybe somebody kidnapped him and he's driving or check his bank he might have charges going down the east coast or something he's driving to florida is there one from thailand yeah that's what i mean you never know do we see thai house of

thai bot in their house of you know yeah like thai fucking young vagina that's not a good house of thai butthole is that when you see that on a on something that is hilarious that isn't their their currency is bought right i think it is and people are going there to buy butt that's hilarious but with bot that's absolutely true so they're looking at his stuff and all they find is kind of normal shit they find a a transaction at a like a quick stop you know convenience store they find they find a transaction at a quick stop convenience store. They find a transaction at a Chipotle near where his job is. So, I mean, that's normal.

This is all from the day before. Very normal shit. Kind of a gambler. Yeah, he's a real. You can tell. The guy who lives on the edge. That's one thing about Steven. He lives on the edge.

So, they don't know what the fuck to do. They just know that he dropped the baby off and then disappeared into thin air so it's it's a belly full of chipotle with the belly full of chipotle from the night before they talked to his mother his mother said that she talked to him last the night before he was going to him and elizabeth were laying down to go to bed yeah she talked to him on the phone he says he said quote we're in our jammies and we're watching cartoons i'll talk to you tomorrow okay that's the last she heard from him and then steven showed up to kathleen's house for according to her at about 7 45 a.m drops elizabeth off drives off into the morning and uh you know disappears kathleen even says to the cops shows

them their phone she's like i've been texting them all day going where the hell are you people are looking for you. I'm annoying them, too. She's going to say, if there's nagging that needs to be done, she's going to be first in line to fucking do it. She's like, oh, you think I haven't been nagging him? Are you kidding me? I've texted him all day long.

They looked into it. They said, did he have a girlfriend? Maybe he's banging some guy's wife and somebody got married. I mean, you don't know. You don't know what people are doing. So he's selling Hondas. Maybe some woman came in.

I didn't even think about that. That's a terrible part of the job. You got to just think people are dicks. You never know. Well, I mean, you never know. Especially they go, well, let's see. He's a Honda dealer.

He meets a lot of people. Maybe some woman comes in, bought a thing. He takes her out for a little test drive you know what i mean oh around the block free puck and easy in easy out and next thing you know her husband finds out about it and this guy's in a fucking river you never know so that's a thing they have to look into but they couldn't find anything out none of his friends none of the people he worked with he didn't have all he did he went to work he saw his daughter he fought with his ex-wife those were his only that's those are the main characteristics of his life i know his life man

yeah he wasn't into drugs they couldn't find anything like that he's not a gambler they couldn't find you know fucking anything so on august 18th 2010 is when the call comes in for the car fire right and long branch there and uh like we said this fire it's about four o'clock in the morning it was hard to put out because it's clearly there was an accelerant used and uh they say it seems to be based around the trunk that's like uh where they found the the dead body it seems like there was gasoline poured directly onto the body like that's where it started somebody knows his bodies aren't flammable yeah they know you gotta you gotta put something in there get it going you gotta get it going otherwise you gotta twist it chet it's kindling you gotta simulate kindling

you gotta twist it chet twist it so they're you know they they find this uh they're they're at this point they're worried that it might be steven uh and then they uh find out what is the make of his mom's car yeah 2001 nissan altima oh they're like that's not good no uh that's not good and then the the kicker is a uh completely melted fuchsia and bright lime green pair of rollerblades just stuck to the body. And they're like, it's got to be Steven. They're welded. No, they do find through dental records that that is Steven there. Damn it.

In the car there. So that's upsetting, we'll say. He's missing for eight days. Mom just got a new Honda. Yeah, I guess so. He's missing for eight days. Mom just got a new Honda. Yeah, I guess so. She's getting that car back. Yeah, the Altum was completely melted off and everything like that. So yeah, now they're like, okay, he's found in a car trunk in New Jersey in a burned out car.

Gosh. Now it opens up a whole other thing. Who the fuck is going to do this? Because this seems like professional. Yeah. This is like, you know. Who'd he fuck with? Who'd he fuck with? Who'd he fuck with?

Yeah. Is he fucking with the mob now? Are people putting him in trunks? And this is some mob shit here. The mob doesn't exist. No. So they're very, they even went so far as to look into his competitive speed skating background.

Really? Dead serious to make sure there wasn't like some hot tanya harding in his past that's seeking revenge against still angry that's how that's how clueless and like they have no idea what to do with this case that's fucking crazy uh so finally they go look the only the only place we have to turn he has no life yeah unless somebody at work or his daughter killed him we don't know what he's doing the only person we have to look at is kathleen that's it so we have the person that's mad at him yeah that's it this is literally the only lead we have so they talked to his divorce

lawyer and his divorce lawyer says oh boy there's a slew of shit yeah and you know fills him in on all the text message things and tells them all about that and the cops are like holy shit they're wow uh lawyer also says that lately steven has changed his tune toward kathleen and has started sticking up for himself and has started having a backbone yeah based on what the lawyer was trying to pump him up and say you know you don't have to do that you can tell her no you can you know whatever rights you have rights to as a parent and you know blah blah blah so they said he was that and kathleen wasn't happy about that she wanted him to just roll over because that was the kind of guy he was he was a guy described as kind of one of those you know go long go long get along kind of guys just like i'm not going to make any waves very san diego very san diego very san diego

uh so they you know they they they find a particular uh audio recording that he made the police he has a tape recorder and they are digital audio recorder and they find a recording that he made is the last recording on there and it says this is about kathleen it says quote i'm very tired of katie calling me and questioning every move i make i'm able to take care of our child just as well as she can so that's the last entry that he makes in his audio thing so they're like that's this is his main source of frustration this isn't this isn't kind of like this abstract thing this is his every day what he's dealing with uh so they're that helped them a little bit they said the tone of his voice and everything they go we need to take

another look at kathleen we really do we need to check them out then they find the whole thing about the florida thing and the divorce and they're like now there's a financial motivation to this whole thing now we you know and that last part where uh if somebody's dead yeah yeah the other one gets to keep that baby there's that and then there's also just the financial aspect of it and then dragging her parents into this whole thing also so they go we need to investigate kathleen dorsett while we're at it too let's throw thomas and evelyn uh leslie i'm sorry evelyn steven's mother uh let's see the, James. She's in Maine. Let's throw Thomas and Leslie into this scenario. I want to check everybody out.

What they find is a money laundering scheme that the three of them are involved in. All of them. That wasn't expected. Yeah, they were like, that's unexpected. The school board member and the nice refrigeration guy and the kindergarten teacher. Award winning. Award winning. guy and these kindergarten teacher award winning award winning uh 96 000 in cash deposits they structured to try to hide from bank regulators uh i don't know why or how it's a tax thing i'm sure

it's not that much money it isn't but that's the tip it's something where they find they'll do some illegal shit that's my point though like if you're doing like if you're doing anything worse than that why would you just do, why would you launder that and get caught for that small amount of money? That's what I mean. For something, maybe something bigger. Well, it's a lot of money, but there might be more there that they've, that's what they're looking at.

So then they start talking to Kathleen's neighbors. They talk to Kathleen's neighbors who, the morning of Stephen's disappearance, her next door neighbor heard screaming in their yard. Okay. She asked, she opened her window and said, hey, what's going on? You know, they're screaming. It's like 745 in the morning.

And Kathleen told her to quote, shut the fuck up and close your window. So, which is just New Jersey for, would you like some coffee later on this morning? You know, morning. That's New Jersey for hi, y' coffee later on this morning? You know, morning. That's New Jersey for hi, y'all. Hi, y'all. So then Kathleen later on went and said, hey, I'm sorry I yelled at you, but my dog was having a seizure in my driveway.

Yeah. So Kathleen was like in the driveway, leaned over. She said her dog. And she's like, the dog's having a seizure and the dog's fucking howling and i'm trying to you know work with the dog and then you're yelling out the window and i just got overwhelmed and then the baby's inside it's a lot going on i'm sorry about that i got shitty diapers to wash lots of them they're piling up piling up high so then the police go to talk to kathleen and they said uh just first of all she's very friendly come on in everybody you know hi hi y'all listen come on in don't spit on your own carpet that's

right uh she also said uh they said before we get any further the cops tell her do you mind if we do like a formal search of your property we We'll get the crime scene unit in here. We'll go over it just because, I mean, it's an open. We can't have. We can't. We got to make sure Stephen's not like, you know, bleeding in your basement or, you know, you got him like chained up in your shed or something as a, you know, ha ha ha. And she's like, oh, yeah, of course.

Sure. Of course you can search my property. Come on in. While they're waiting for the crime scene unit to show up, they are, detectives are sitting at the kitchen table. She's offering snacks and drinks. That's what you do. Being a good hostess and just saying, you know, just being a good host of you're over at my house.

What would you, you know, talking? They're all, you know, talking about new restaurants that are in town. Shit that you would talk about very casual with people who aren't investigating a murder normally. So, you know what I'm saying? Little things like that. Then she starts talking about gardening even. She's so casual.

She's like, yeah, I've been gardening this week. Growing my own peas. Now, meanwhile, her father's daughter is missing and presumed murdered. She's gardening and whatever. But that's fine. I mean, who knows? murdered she's gardening and whatever but that's fine i mean who knows maybe she's celebratorily gardening uh or grieving garden or grieving garden maybe that makes her calm uh so she's zen garden james that's exactly what it is she's raking it over and over and over again she's talking about gardening she said yeah she put in some new mulch to try to spruce up the yard and the cop says says, oh, yeah, that's right.

And when they walk outside, the cop notices, the detective notices the mulch in the flower bed there. And he notices there's a lot of weeds in the mulch, which is weird because if you're going to garden and you're going to do it correctly, like she seems to be pretty studious based on everything in its place in her house and shit like that. When you would mulch, you would weed first. Pull those out. You pull everything out because you're going to have new mulch with weeds coming through. You're just going to fertilize those. You're not going to take all the water of your good plants.

There you go. Exactly. So he goes, that's a weird thing. And just based on that, crime scene unit gets there. He tells the one guy, just do me a favor, crime scene guy here. I think he probably called him by his name. Whatever it was. But, you know, Frank.

Frank the crime scene guy. So he said, do me a favor. Throw a glove on. Just feel around under that mulch. Just go in and just dig around. Calls them all Grissom. Yeah. Hey, Grissom.

Come here. Grissom. Hey. Her name's Frank. Whatever, Grissom. Lady Grissom. Come here a minute. Hey, bitch Grissom.

Let's go. Grissom with tits. Come here a minute. Itissom. Let's go. Grissom with tits. Come here a minute. It's Jersey. It's Jersey. I gave away too much respect. Officer Lady Grissom is way too much respect. Hey, titty Grissom, get over here.

Hey, Grissom with an ass. Hey, Gilf, that's Grissom I want to fuck. Damn it. i want to fuck so he says go ahead and do that so the guy goes all right fine he digs in he's got a white you know glove on those plastic gloves and he uh comes out with blood all over his hand which that's either really suspicious or the earth is bleeding. Literally, listen to the climate alarmists. Listen to them. The earth is bleeding, people. If you want people to believe in climate change, stick your hand in the ground and come up with blood. Oh, my God.

Everything we're doing is wrong. The earth is bleeding. We stop now. Today we walk. No more cars. Everybody stop right where you are. The fucking earth is literally bleeding. We stop now. Fuck. Today we walk. No more cars. Everybody stop right where you are. The fucking earth is literally bleeding. This is a problem.

It has no blood. I don't know how this happened. So they're like, okay, this is an issue. They bring in cadaver dogs who indicate that it is human blood. Oh, no. So enough human blood to stain a glove. That's a lot of blood. It is a problem.

So they say, let's bring Kathleen in for a chat downtown here. They bring her in. Now, everybody, here's a tip for you if you're planning on murdering or committing any kind of crimes. A little tip for you. Here's what they do. They sit her down and they go, we'd like to talk to you about the disappearance of your husband. And she says, no, I want an attorney. And they go, okay, so you can leave i guess because sorry and then

she goes home because she said no i want to talk to an attorney not i can explain my way out of this so so if you want to get away with it or at least not for a few more days right right for a minute because you're gonna get caught caught. Eventually, but... There's too much stuff now. You're not going to do it yourself. Right. You're not going to give them the case on your own, because you're a moron. So August 23rd, 2010, they decide, we have enough to arrest Kathleen.

You know, whatever. They've already arrested her parents and her on the money laundering charge as well, so they can kind of pull them in when they want. August 23rd, they arrest Kathleen at home. Her parents are at her house as well. They take the cuffs out. They begin to cuff Kathleen. As they do that, her father, Thomas,

takes his watch off and his wallet out of his pocket and hands them to his wife. To Leslie? To Leslie. Yeah. And the cop sees that and goes, interesting, noted, because you only do that on two occasions. hands him to his wife. To Leslie. Yeah. And the cop sees that and goes, interesting.

Yeah. No, because you only do that on two occasions. If you're about to be taken for a ride by a mob associate who you know is upset with you. Right. Or if you're about to go to jail. Or you're getting in the pool. Or you're getting in the pool. There's no pool right here.

There's no pool. Two options. Two options. He hands the wallet so the cop goes not here for you but interesting uh thanks for that uh now we know where to look a little back to talk to you look a little thomas a little more right that was fucked up right did everybody see that that was weird everybody saw all right so this is right bitch hey you yeah no yeah move your tits aside and answer my fucking question for a minute.

Jesus Christ. So Kathleen isn't admitting it, but she won't deny it either. She's just saying I'm not saying shit. Yeah, but they hold her in a three million dollar bottle. Oh, shit. So either way, she ain't going to say shit. She's going to sit there and not say shit because three million is high. That's going to be 300 grand cash.

More than 96. Yeah, that's going to be that's 300 grand cash more than 96 yeah that's a lot that's exactly right so uh uh his mother during all of this steven moore's mother evelyn ends up being awarded temporary custody of elizabeth hell yeah while they sort all this shit out like the right person seems fair she seems nice uh now jesus christ so uh kathleen gets in jail first thing she does she's really pissed that uh evelyn is now in charge of elizabeth by the way evelyn's pissed too by the way i would say she's probably more i was just on vacation i'm gonna go out on a limb and say more mad yeah probably i've got a fucking toddler well evelyn doesn't do what kathleen does kathleen gets into jail and finds a fellow inmate and tries to get this inmate to hire a hitman to kill evelyn oh no and actually find someone to do this and involves kathleen involves her own mother

leslie by uh talking to her over the jail phone mind you which I mean it says in the beginning these calls are recorded stupid and then you go hey let's talk about a murder fucking dummy right to you doesn't it oh it says when you pick calls our monitor and recorded this will cause you fucking dummy that's state by state I feel like in Jersey they definitely say you fucking dummy that's state by state i feel like in jersey they definitely say you fucking dummy so right yeah you fucking nip you fucking dummy so kathleen tells her mother that she wants the death because they want to they're going to kill uh uh leslie or evelyn tells leslie her mother that should make it look natural.

Tell the hit man to make it, quote, look like something diabetic because she's diabetic. So make it look natural. She doesn't know much about diabetes. Yeah. So she contacted her mother in the jail phone and told her mother to meet this hit man and give him a thousand dollars deposit. Now, right away away here's the thing if someone is willing to kill your spouse or or an old lady or anything basically anybody if they're willing to kill anybody and it's for a thousand dollars down that's a cop yeah okay that's not a real hitman real hitmen charge fucking money if it's affordable for you and you have a nine to five, it's a cop.

If you go, that's not bad. That's not what you should say when you hear a hitman. That's not bad at all. If you can say the phrase, I think I've got that. I expected it to be worse. I think I might be able to swing that. That be worse. I thought it would be, oh, wow. I think I might be able to swing that. Then you can't.

That's not a real hitman. That's a cop. If it's cheaper than going to Cambodia and fucking random weird things. Yeah. It's a cop. It's a fucking cop. I hate to say it. Turns out, not only...

It was a cop. That's not that bad. That's not that bad. Turns out the inmate and the hitman both cops so not smart uh just totally setting her up that's amazing yeah so the default the back to the day she's arrested uh before she procures a hitman and all this god this is so not that bad money it's not that bad it's reasonable's not that bad. It's reasonable. You can expect that. It's reasonable. Either your hitman's a crackhead or a cop.

One of the two. Either way. In both ways, you're getting caught. Either way, bad hitman. Right. Not who you're looking for. It's the guy that's not going to finish the job without your name involved.

Yeah. Killing your ex-spouse, you'll need a second mortgage for that is what we're getting. You're going to have to refinance your house to kill your spouse. That's just the way it works. You're going to have to refinance your house to kill your spouse. That's just the way it works. You're not going to get away with that off of savings.

This is not going to happen. You better be cash liquid. Yeah, super liquid. You don't want that paper trail leading back to you. Save enough. With a cashier's check signed from an escrow company, you fucking idiot. From an escrow company over to the hitman. But you know what it's kind of smarter than what she did which was talk to a cop and then set up a hit on a jail phone it's the same thing fucking idiot

so the day after she's arrested yeah uh thomas goes to talk to his attorney that morning like the night she's arrested th Thomas calls his attorney and says, my daughter just got arrested and I need to talk to you and they might be coming after me and blah, blah, blah. So you mind if I come talk to you? Guy said, first thing in the morning, be there. So Thomas, his lawyer shows up and Thomas is already in the parking lot of the law firm.

Can't wait to chat. Can't wait to chat. He's in his truck there and everything waiting. Lawyer gets out, goes over to the truck, looks in the window. Thomas is sleeping. Hey, probably had a rough night. Probably hasn't slept much. He's got a lot on his mind.

Knocks on the window. Doesn't wake up. Knocks on the window. What the fuck is going on? Then the lawyer notices a clear plastic tube in his mouth and Thomas's mouth and sees it is connected to a tank. Thomas is trying to commit suicide by inhaling Freon directly from a tank. Good Christ. Which, if you've ever, Freon, if you don't know what that is,

that is the shit that makes your air conditioning cold, and it is a horrible chemical that you don't want in your body. No. That said, when I was a child, when I was 13, my friend, I won't give his name because he's actually an upstanding citizen now. Today he is? Oh, yeah. I don't know how because he's just the biggest fuck up.

He's the biggest. He's like weird and Christian-y now, though. One day he asked my cousin. He goes, you know, if you ever want to talk about anything, I'm here. And my cousin's like, I'm all right. My cousin is a lot like me. He's like, yeah, I'm fine, motherfucker. I don't need to talk about anything i'm here and my cousin's like i'm all right my cousin is a lot like me like he's like yeah i'm fine motherfucker like i don't need to talk about shit and he goes he goes you know like think about jesus or whatever and he goes what the fuck are you talking about i'm never gonna want to talk to you about jesus i'll tell you that right fucking now like right up front if i needed to talk about jesus which i don't you wouldn't be the guy i

would go to for it because you're a fucking idiot first of all second of all no right so uh yeah this one jesus christ this fucking jesus guy now anyway yeah his brother it was like his i don't know a party we were in his basement sleeping over like 13 yeah and his brother comes downstairs his brother was one of these crazy older brothers who's like you know one of those lunatic that you're all kind of afraid of but jackass guy yeah everybody knew one of those guys some people knew too oh he's a loon this guy johnny knoxville seemed to fucking god he was a magnet for him his brother was like really tough and crazy and like five years older than us so you know what i mean we were like whoa he's cool so he came downstairs and he goes who's

the craziest motherfucker here? So obviously. And everybody was like, you are, bro. Yeah, out of you guys. So everyone, you know, people are, I'm just like, I'm going to see where this goes. I'm not going to be like, I am. I'm not that guy. He's like, yeah, I'll fucking do it first.

I'm like, let's see how this works with you. Let's see how it works three, four times and then we'll figure it out. So somebody says, I am whatever. And he goes, come over here. And he hooks up a tube to a Freon tank because his dad was a refrigeration guy. And he had a bunch of Freon tanks in the basement. So starts giving 13-year-old kids hits off this Freon tank, which basically makes your voice go really deep. And everything goes weird.

And you kind of fall over. And you feel fucked up. Because it strangles your fucking brain. Oh, your fucking killing brain cells like crazy. It's cutting off oxygen. It's like a fucking, it's like a whip it for someone really stupid, basically. So anyway, this guy, my friend, later on, he ended up, this was like a thing he did all the time, and he ended up like passing out and splitting his head open on a

fucking doorknob and all this shit and then later on too he took not on the freon but this is the same guy who like took people took cops on like a two county chase with like four bald four fucking blown out tires and yeah riding on rims with sparks flying out with like a fucking 0.35 blood alcohol level and fucking weapons and shit. And then he's like, yeah, if you ever want to talk about Jesus. So, yeah. I've seen him. He might need Jesus, that guy.

So, it's probably better. Yeah. But, yeah, this is Freon's nasty shit. So, the lawyer breaks the window, pulls Thomas out, calls 911. Thomas is like, gee, thanks. He survives? He survives. Oh, boy.

Unfortunately for him. He's like, gee, great thanks dick obviously watch we're on the dash didn't you see that's the international sign for let me die let me die my wallet's on this fucking my watch is right there uh so anyway that same day that this is going on the which the police are made aware of this or like that's interesting that thomas tried to kill himself that same day that this is going on, which the police are made aware of this, they're like, that's interesting that Thomas tried to kill himself. That same day, the cops get a call from a restaurant owner who's a friend of Thomas's. And he says, the guy goes, I just have to call you guys. It's really weird.

I'm friends with this Thomas Dorsett guy. You might know him. I've been seeing a lot on the news. And he calls me yesterday and he asked me a really weird favor. He said, do you mind? Thomas asked the guy. He said, Thomas said, do you mind if I come over to your restaurant and you have all the security cameras all around it? Well, all the ones facing your back dumpster.

Do you mind if I destroy those and take all the footage and also destroy that? And I'll replace all of your security cameras with brand new ones and everything like that the guy was like that's a little odd considering all the murdery shit he's been seeing on tv lately with his daughter being arrested he goes why would you want to do that which i wouldn't even ask but he asked and thomas said well it's the refrigeration business they're looking into me for this money laundering thing and i threw out a few chemicals that I'm not supposed to throw out in that dumpster. And now they're really on to me. So I feel like if they find that out, they're really going to nail me for a big fine and all this shit.

And the guy went, I don't think so. You know what? No, I like my security cameras are fine. I don't want to tamper with evidence and shit like that. And instead, he calls the police and tells them about that. And so the police come to confiscate it and they see the footage and it is fucking amazing it's damning uh well i would say uh first thing they see is uh thomas driving steven's mother's 2001 nissan altima oh no pulling

up in front of the dumpster were there burn marks not yet no it was perfectly fine at this point and then right behind him is kathleen driving her own car oh right following him they leave the restaurant uh parking lot because there's a lot of people there yeah they then see uh later on thomas come back into the parking lot by the dumpster with his van and start emptying a bunch of shit into a dumpster okay we're talking rubber made plastic containers uh bleach bottles shit like that and finally what police uh deemed by medical examination and and everything else to be the murder weapon yes uh a two by four no a fucking two by four they fucking hacksaw jim duggan him he got hacksaw oh my god which was the first thing police

thought yeah they're like apb for hacksaw jim duggan this is we've been waiting for this day you knew it would happen someday first two by four murder he knew he was going down he couldn't fucking help himself that has got to be the worst way to die and then they said also that neighborhood in addition that morning to the uh the the the yelling and the shut the fuck up and the dog and everything like that, also allowed ho was heard. Which then everyone in the street repeated back. And then that's how they knew it was Axel. No, I'm just kidding. That's a terrible way to go.

Yeah. Beaten with a two by four beaten to death with not just beaten with one game yeah to death oh to straight death there's no real no coming back from that so what ends up happening is uh the next day august 24th this is the day of thomas's suicide attempt yeah and happens to be the day the police find the security footage they go ahead and arrest thomas while he's recovering in the hospital from a suicide attempt. And while we're at it, let's go ahead and arrest Leslie since she's trying to fucking hire hit men to kill people. May as well.

Whole family. Let's bring them all in here. So when they arrest Leslie, by the way, they find in her possession a photo of Evelyn, Stephen's mother, with her stats on the back saying make it look diabetic and a thousand dollars in an envelope that's a problem that's a problem uh now the the lawyer's trying to get leslie out of it going she's just a innocent woman and the the prosecutor said quote she's knee-deep judge she really is and shit and everything else uh also said by the way not only do we have her on this she did this while out on bail on money laundering charges if you take out who she is sounds like a mob figure that we've busted for money laundering she made bail and got out and she fucking whacked the guy

that got her that's what it sounds like she's dangerous she's being held for fucking murder for hire on after she well wow it's crazy so uh as this progresses august 26th they arrest another man uh not related to them very much not related to them if you saw him the door sits are very very white yeah they arrest a man who is not at all white yeah a man named anthony morris and i say that because they're not related. He's not in the family. He's like a 30 year old black guy, which is just Thomas is like a 65 year old white guy. When you see these two together,

you go, they don't hang out and watch football. Like you can tell, like Anthony Morris is like a real stocky. He looks like an offensive lineman. Yeah. And he just doesn't look like him and Thomas just hang out socially. They're not social pals. It doesn't look like him and thomas just hang out socially they're not

social pals it doesn't look like it anyway i mean it could be who knows they might run into each other at the gym play pickleball together yeah i don't think thomas is going to the gym uh anthony here anthony morris is accused of setting the car on fire uh 2001 altima he's the arsonist yes he is well that's what they're charging him with arson for hire and desecration of human remains uh he will be in jail on half a million dollars bail and uh he uh they he ends up admitting that he knew the body was in the trunk when he when he did it when he killed him and everything like that uh he comes in to testify against them in the preliminary hearings they must have shit a brick when they saw him walking in he's sitting up on the pictures of him like pointing them up that those motherfuckers yeah yep that one that one her too exactly can i leave now fuck that shit i

don't even know that guy he is not interested in this shit at all uh she uh ends up they all end up pleading guilty they have no other recourse they literally have a guy going they hired me to drive here and do that and there's the body you're fucked so uh at the plea hearing she said that she's guilty she said she's pleading guilty of her own free will and all that sort of shit this is important because later she'll try she'll try to take that back uh yeah so she's uh they're talking about you know sentencing exposure for everybody and everything like that uh she reads her statement in court saying what she did. So we can find out exactly what happened here. Finally, she said, quote, on August 16th, 2010, at approximately 730 a.m., Stephen came to my residence for a scheduled drop off of our infant daughter.

She's very specific. She's a she's a teacher. Approximately 30 minutes prior to Stephen's arrival, he texted me that he was on his way. That was nice of him. When he arrived, I told Moore to get his tools in the backyard of the driveway. I said, oh, your shit's back there. You know how that goes. Fuck out of here.

Pick your shit up. Get it out of here. I'll throw it away. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I've got shit to do. Yeah. That's holding you up in life. Right. My box got shit to do. Yeah. I'm sure.

Yeah. That's that's holding you up in life. Right. My box is shit. Right. You were ready to fucking move on. You're going to start your fucking business. You're going to get remarried.

Everything's going to be great. If my one box of shit is in your back fucking yard and I need to come get it right. God. I'll pick it up where i get the kids if it isn't gone by tomorrow it's going to fuck you how's it oh sorry we've oh you fucking assholes just be cordial everybody and that's not saying this for women no guys don't be dicks either you just go both ways you do this shit too this goes both ways make it worse yeah uh she then said uh when he arrived they told me to get his tools uh after steven was convinced to retrieve his tools i took my daughter into the house

knowing all the time my father thomas was back there waiting to kill him oh no uh as i was changing my infant or my daughter's diaper I heard screaming coming from the driveway. By the time I secured my child and ran outside, Moore was in the driveway, lying in the driveway. Lifeless already? Lying there. I sat down next to him in order to shield him from view of my next door neighbor, who was yelling out her window, asking me what was wrong. I repeated several times that everything was all right and she should shut the window. She did leave out shut the fuck up, but you know, whatever.

That's fine. After my conversation with my neighbor concluded, that's quite the conversation. It was a good one. I feel like we found some common ground. I assisted my father with lifting Stephen's body into the trunk of my ex-mother-in-law's vehicle, which right there just sounds so bad. It's so cold. I assisted my father.

What she had to look at to help him do that. She was like, yeah, fuck this guy. A man was beaten with a two-by-four to death. And a nice guy. Right. Who is kind of objectively nice. Right. Even she couldn't say he's not nice.

Right. You know what I mean? He never punched you. No, no, no. He wasn't no cheating on you she just didn't want anything to do with him which is fine but everyone even from each other she would know he's even she would say she had to look at that yep then she says my father drove off with the car and shortly thereafter he telephoned me to meet him at a restaurant in

long branch i met him there and then followed him to another location in long branch where the vehicle uh with moore's dead body and it was abandoned. I then drove to my father's home. After we arrived at my residence, I cleaned up the area where Moore was killed and my father drove away with the cleaned up items. I now know that he disposed of everything in the dumpster. And then they show more footage from the dumpster. And it is like it's framed so center of him dumping shit in the dumpster. It's so perfectly symmetrical.

It's like a fucking Wes Anderson movie. It's perfectly symmetrical that if you were making a movie and that was like the big court scene of who we have the proof. Right. When you were shooting the surveillance footage, you would say it's too clean. It's too perfect. It's too framed. Like no one would be that framed. So it has to be like kind of off to the side.

Like, oh, you can see it over here. But that skewer yeah this shit is like perfect like just skew the camera drop maybe i'll give it a tilt in the video footage though they see uh thomas behind the wheel of that car at first that means there is a fucking body in the trunk right then oh yeah that is crazy yeah they were seeing what was up then. That is unreal. And she was following him, I assume, to make sure he didn't get pulled over or whatever that is. So yeah, she said that, yeah,

she knew her father was back there and all that sort of thing. She also then has to talk about giving her mother a $1,000 deposit to kill the, Jesus Christ. For a discount murder yeah uh so they uh they all pleaded guilty to the charges here uh and uh her mother she and her mother also entered guilty pleas to conspiring to kill uh evelyn as well to keep her from testifying

against her and also to stop her from gaining custody of the daughter uh she pleads guilty to two uh it's two it's so weird uh two counts of murder i don't know how it's two with one and because it's also eight counts of conspiracy to desecrate human remains 14 counts of attempted murder i don't know how that works is that is that how many times he was hit with that wood maybe i don't know i'm not sure i don't know how they would discern 14 blows from a from a burned up body and is it like murder like you beating him to death and then the because the burning would murder him too i don't know how they're working maybe that's how they're doing it twice so the the uh the state uh agrees to recommend a sentence of 30 years in prison and 30 years of parole in eligibility.

So that means that she would not be able to get out of jail for 30 years at all. And also consecutive terms on the other one. There's a whole thing here. No early release is part of this, though. And the state agrees to dismiss some of the smaller charges. So August 8th, 2013 is sentencing. It's so sad. There's a picture.

Not sad, but it's the three of them sitting at a table together. Mother, father, daughter. It's just like all waiting for their sentencing. Fuck, man. Yeah. You're like, this is some sorry fucking shit. The prosecutor said that called the Dorsets cold blooded killers. Evelyn Moore said they were killers that she quote with to whom she has nothing to say.

Classy lady. She did write to the court saying that Elizabeth is a happy child, but she's will never know her mother and father, which is very sad. Kathleen tried to apologize in court. She said, I'm so deeply sorry for all the pain I've caused to Stephen's family and the lives I've destroyed. Now, the judge had another. The judge had something else to say to her, though. And this is fucking great. I love when the judge lays down the law here.

This is a real you, ma'am, here. Quote, this is a narcissistic individual. Her crocodile tears get turned on and off seemingly at will. This is really an American family tragedy on so many levels, and the responsibility for it falls mainly on this defendant's feet. Kathleen Dorsett states that she's sorry, and she never meant for any of this to happen. I don't believe that. It's not been less than two or three times I've seen her in my courtroom,

including today, where the crocodile tears get turned on and off almost on cue. As the prosecutor was speaking and saying certain things, you're looking at me shaking your head, mouthing, that's not true, as if trying to manipulate this court. Oh, he's pissed. Mr. Dorsett may have swung the murder weapon, but through her manipulation, Kathleen put the idea and the weapon in his hands. You, ma'am, may fuck off. That's a fuck off right there. He built up to it here. She is sentenced, wow, to 58 years in prison.

Yikes. 58 years ineligible for parole for 47 years. Holy shit. He fucking hated her. That judge hated her. You bitch. Wow. 58 years.

47 till parole. That's a man that's been divorced. That's just, he just got a bad vibe off her. You're a cold lady. Yeah. She is going to be fucking 80. Yeah. Jesus.

And almost 90 if she gets out of prison here. She's dying there. Thomas Dorsett is sentenced to 45 years. He's like a 63-year-old man. It's over. 45 years, including another 15, and then another 15 years for the arson for hire, 30 years until parole for him.

It's over. It's over for him. That's a life sentence here for him. And Kathleen, or Leslie gets a lesser sentence. I think she gets seven years total they basically take all of how she's we'll talk about that in a second here uh kathleen appeals the murder appeals all of this saying that uh she's full so full of shit just with the whole thing first she's saying that she's saying she didn't understand her plea offer and they're like

no you understood you're an educated person signed you went to college it's not like she dropped out in the fourth grade and we're like my lawyers told me that was a good thing to do right she's she went to college she's educated she read the document she knows what she said yeah she's not like i didn't know what i said explain this shit to you yeah and you understood it because you're smart right uh so and now a few years later though in 2016 when her her appeals are failing thomas uh has a new story he comes to the court saying i have a new story he puts it in documents and everything he says that on that day stephen moore came to the rear of his daughter's home and to drop off his granddaughter he said that they got into an argument and at that point they began to fight

and he said once they were fighting uh they fell over and that steven quote this isn't a court document fell on a pile of metal junk yeah yeah and uh and and then dorset and over and over again a ton who just kept getting just i mean and i kept falling we kept i have bad i have vertigo and it's i'm very off balance a lot so i kept falling my daughter didn't make all those bananas this morning slipping all over everywhere everywhere so he said that uh tom moore hit his head and he said i panicked and tried to cover up the results of the fight yeah and he said that kathleen was not involved in any of this whatsoever it was all him and the judge said you out of your fucking mind get out of my courtroom you stupid asshole there's video footage of her behind you

behind you dummy she knows what's up in the trunk and she has mo yeah no fuck off yeah get out of here uh eat dicks so uh they said no she she was appealing all the way up until 2018 was her last appeal to withdraw her plea agreement. Wow. She is still fighting. And you know what? She's got a shitload of time to fight because she's going to be in prison for a while. She's got 47 years to figure it out.

They did cover the story on Dateline. I saw the episode on Dateline. There was a couple things on there they didn't have on other shit. So good job, Dateline. Way to go. Got out of that. I'm sure it waseline. There was a couple things on there they didn't have on other shit, so good job, Dateline. Way to go. Got out of that. I'm sure it was hilarious. It was so funny.

I got to tell you, if you guys are looking for a comic version of this story, Dateline's the way to go. How many times did they talk about Thai butt? It was very few times. No trim, pucker brushes, nothing. Now, currently, Anthony Morris is out of jail. Oh?

Yeah, the desecrator. He got out of jail and uh leslie also out of jail oh oh yeah she did her time and she's out uh thomas and kathleen though they ain't fucking getting out for a while are anthony and leslie a thing i believe they're now together uh they're having a wonderful life uh les, Leslie said, I never knew I would like a guy 30 years younger than me. And he said, that's some nice old ass right there. And everybody's happy. This is better than going to Thailand. Everybody's happy except for, except for Evelyn, Elizabeth, uh, Stephen and, uh, Thomas probably. And, uh, Kathleen's like nine now, huh?

Yeah. No, she's older than that she's 11 oh my god 11 that poor thing poor little kids yeah she's in probably the fifth sixth grade yeah uh yeah nobody show her this no um but yeah it sucks man it's it's a poor thing it's brutal yeah the whole thing's brutal i mean this this look like a a one of those stories where it looks like it's going to be this nice story of this nice family, and then it just turns out all fucking wrong. And it's sad shit. So that is that.

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And thank you for listening to this. And you've learned some lessons. Don't smoke crack. Listen to your folks. And then Jordan Bennett also. Thank you guys so much for everything you do for us. Quick thing before you go into the other thing. I just want to tell everybody for convenience.

And this isn't like a, hey, you're annoying. It's for to streamline this process better. If you have're annoying it's a fork for to streamline this process better if you have like a something in a shout out that's a special thing hey my daughter can you shout out my friend message don't message the page yeah message jimmy specific jimmy does the the shout out so send everything shout out related to jimmy not because we mind getting it but because then it has to get then we have to like show. Hey, Jimmy, and give it to him. And well, Jessica, bless her heart.

She sent it to fucking everybody. That was fine. But I mean, like, you know, otherwise, sure, we saw it can get lost in the shuffle and we don't want to get lost in the shuffle if someone's out and then the message gets lost and we don't want to get a birthday gets missed. And then you're like, what the fuck? So, Jimmy, I didn't mean to do it. Exactly.

So I'm sorry. Continue. gets missed and then you're like what the fuck so jimmy didn't mean to do it exactly so i'm sorry continue the rest of the uh producers this week are uh michael parkin matt perry matt matt uh beauregard francis elric don't dorn i i don't know what i did there dorn it's the major league dow oh it's dow dow got it crystal i'm terrible at this crystal uh, no, Crystal Wesseman, Kristen Leone, Brendan Russell, okay, here we go. Carrie Brantley, Jeff Jewett, Ryan Blake, Beverly and Jeffrey Gladden, Beth Green, Jessica McCoy, Trish Washington, Tim Brooks, Eric Gordon, Kyle Carson, Jocelyn Cruz, Alyssa Sylvester, Richard Lovell, Morgan Morrison,

Maglias Quintero, Javette, yes, Javette Clark, I think, Jonette, Javette, I think it was Javette, Sonia Borgen, Katie Lila, Maren Paulson, Matt Gibson, Brandy Dunkel, Kylie

Gallagher, Kelly Ronquist, Sidney Johnson, Brandy Smith, Angie with no last name, Byron Perry, Gabrielle Rebus, Amanda Soneska. She donated twice, both ways. Thank you so much. Thank you. Jessica Skinner, Catherine Vallick, Ryan Smith, Shalima Althaus, or Althaus? Shalima? I think it's Shalima.

No, it's two Ms. Who knows? We don't know. I sure don't. Linda Bright, Danielle Doan, Erica Anderson, Cynthia Takajasi, Shelly Goodman, Alana Quick, Christine Duncanson, Polly Egan, Allison Newbold, Dylan Parsons, Dana Campbell, Christina Fontanos, Fontinos, Fatawows, I don't know what I wrote there. I think that's an N. I think that's an F. Ashley Lee, Christy with no last name, Susie

Platt, donate both ways. She donates like three times a week. Thank you so much. That's amazing. Thank you so much. James and Jack La Russa. LaRussa, yes. Abby Anderson. Lonnie Hall.

Evie Rose. Caitlin James. Linda. Linda. Lindy. Linda Rubber. No. Rub.

Rubo. Russo. Russo. I don't know. It's not rubber. I know that. You're having problems. Micah Brown.

Kelly Gwen. Or again, Jen cohen that's what that is linda uh no mike mike swinty uh spencer cordero pg bodia boat boat bodilla bodica that's all of them andrew moore uh earn a earn a earn a booter de villars shoot i got a devita what Andrew Moore, Erna Booter DeVillers Shoot. Erna DeVita, what? Amanda Jones, Jackie Jordheim, Bad as a Mother, Jennifer M., Duarte, Lanforslack, Melinda Klug, Naomi Belt, Dwayne Tucker, Larissa Pavlov, that's what that is, and Theo Von's mullet. That's fascinating. I enjoy that too much, probably.

Greg Totten, Stephanie Aigoa, Ashley Vio, and Liz Vasquez sent us some holiday cards. Thank you. Liz Vasquez sent a Thanksgiving card. Thank you. Which I've never seen before. I've never heard of that before. I appreciate it. But we appreciate the sentiment.

Yeah, and Ashley sent a Christmas card in fucking November. Thank you. You are on top of your business. Well done, Ashley. That makes me feel like a slacker. Jude Kendall, Mike Moore, Lauren Rauf, Frankie Boland, Terrence Jones, Kevin Gately, Stein, Lind, Samantha Wood, Soraya Williams, Ashley Vio, of course, Cat Helms, Neil Annis, Greg Gottlieb, David Fortner, Brendan Ables, the kid.

Thanks, Brendan. He's such a young kid. He's a good dude, man. He takes care of us every week. Thank you, Brendan. Corey Kuhn, Ryan Benner, Justin Inwood, Julia Haley, Robert Phelan, Thomas Smith, Mitchell Bumgardner, Anthony Cannella in Texas. Thank you, Anthony.

John Lash, Jesse Hartman, Sonny Johansson, Liz Vasquez, Jessica Christensen, Peyton Meadows, Reagan Shalkley, Gary Howard, 1987 sent a donation. Thank you. Thanks, man. Rick Palmer, Bryce Law, Maria Goel, Levelyland Creations. I think that's right Tony Francisco not with an N and Lauren Demerath and all of our patreon donators

you guys you make you make fucking smiles happen every week and rent gets paid thank you thank you so much everybody for every damn thing you do for us shit we're fucking really grateful that's all there is to it thank you guys so much what if they wanted

to thank you or say something terrible to you either way how could they do it whichever you want to do them at Wisman sucks wh is man sucks on Twitter Instagram and Snapchat where are you oh boy I am at Jimmy P is funny or you can just copy and paste my name from the show description and make it a little more easy on

yourself to not have to try to spell Petra Gallo uh do that sounds like fun and uh come back and see us again and again happy thanksgiving we understand it's thanksgiving uh today when this episode is coming out enjoy your so hope you enjoyed it hope you're probably listening to this while you're preparing it yeah uh sorry that we have to leave you now and you have to go be with your family but you have to and we all have to do it and and you have to go be with your family. But you have to, and we all have to do it.

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