Small Town Murder - #151 - The Panhandle Samurai in Vincennes, Indiana

Episode Date: December 26, 2019

This week, in Vincennes, Indiana, a troubled person's life seemingly spins out of control in a sea of arrests, fights, marriages, drugs, bats & swords. This all comes to a head when a relationship ends, and rumors begin to fly about what this person's ex may be up to, and who with. In the end, will a really weak excuse & some flimsy legal wrangling be enough to get out of it? Along the way, we find out that bathtubs aren't just for baths, that a samurai sword will definitely get someone's attention, and that it's hard to deny a murder that you committed in front of as third party!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts#150 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery Plus. What if you married the love of your life and then stood by them as they developed 21 new identities? What would you do? This Is Actually Happening is a weekly podcast that features extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. Listen to the newest season of This Is Actually Happening on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. This week, in Vincennes, Indiana, a troubled person's life spins out of control in a sea of problems, arrests, and samurai swords

until a vicious killing shocks the whole town. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. We have a wild show today. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Westman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us on a special holiday edition. Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah yesterday. Yeah. We're recording this on Monday, December 23rd. So Hanukkah just started. That's going on. We've got Christmas Eve

tomorrow night at my house. I'm making pasta. When this episode's over, we're going to hit stop, and then I'm going to go upstairs and make pasta for 30 people with my daughter. And it's going to be upstairs and make pasta for 30 people with my daughter. It's going to be a lot of fun.

Can't wait. Josh is coming over to help out with the friends and family. Jimmy's going to come over tomorrow for Christmas Eve. It's going to be a wild time. If you hear a whine in the background, we have Frankie the Crime and Sports Dog with us because she's feeling very barky today upstairs. Rather than having her bark at the neighbors

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know what you were what you were looking for here there's gonna be murder people are gonna die and jokes are gonna be made what we don't do, is we try and we go out of our way not to make jokes about the victims or the victims' families. That's very nice. Why would you do that? Because we're assholes. What? But we're not scumbags. There you go.

That's how it works. And if that sounds good to you, we're going to have a good time because it's a crazy story. There's a lot around a murder. You don't have to just make fun of something that's easy. There's a lot of craziness that goes on around people's lives when a murder occurs right it doesn't just pop up out of nowhere most of the time what have you yeah so there's a ton of of craziness and we find the craziness and the panhandlery and we find it for you and deliver it to you that sounds good we're gonna have a good time if you think true crime and comedy should never go together you're allowed that's fine but

i mean maybe we're not the best fit for you. Enjoy something else. Definitely. But other than that, if you're ready to have a good time and party and enjoy the holiday murdery times, it's time to sit back. It's time to shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's go on a trip.

Great. Shall we? Let's do this. Let's go on a trip. Great. Shall we? Let's do this. Let's go on a trip. We're going all the way. Man, we have been around here. Where were we last? Was it Kansas?

No. Was it Kansas? What are we talking about? When was the last time we were out? The last episode? Yeah. No, that was goddamn Stillwater. It was New York.

Yeah. We were in New York. Stillwater? Well, no. Then we did Rome, Georgia last week. Rome, Georgia. Rome georgia and we're going all the way to indiana right where indianapolis is where we'll be in february i believe february the 15th in indianapolis so be there this is in southwest it's vincennes indiana or vincennes or however the hell you say it vincennes it's a french word so you guys have bastardized it anyway so don't tell me how to fucking pronounce it,

because you've ruined it. We've all... Unless you're French, I don't want to hear it from you. If you're French, you can go on and say whatever you want. It's in southwest Indiana. It's right on the edge of the panhandle there. There's a little Indiana panhandle, and this episode is packed with panhandlery.

This is a panhandle heavy episode here. Indiana is next to Illinois, yes? It's in there with Illinois. It's next to Kentucky. Ohio's right there. It's east of no, yeah. No, no.

It's west of Illinois because Gary, Indiana is right by Chicago right there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, south of Wisconsin. There we go. In that little ballpark. Yeah, over there. South of Minnesota, Wisconsin.

I'm in. Yeah, yeah. So this county that it's in is shaped like Louisiana, so that should tell you something right there. Some Creole shit happening. That's some Creole shit going on for sure. Very swampy.'s gonna be yeah right away if you shape anything like louisiana you're asking for trouble i feel like vincennes is about two hours and 15 minutes to indianapolis where we'll be on february the 15th get your tickets

now shut up and give me murder.com it's about three hours to louisville uh where we'll be the next night uh get your tickets now shut upupandgivememurder.com. And it's about three hours and 15 minutes to Peru, or Peru, as the old people call it there, episode 98, which was over a year ago. Wow. Back in the day. It was. Yeah, it's about a year ago.

So we're, yeah, 50, this is 151, so it's 53 episodes ago. That's about a year's worth there it's in knox county uh zip code 47591 area code 812 and 930 never trust a small town with two area codes that's some bullshit it's always a skeptical uh they cut them right in the middle they didn't care about these people enough they don't have enough clout to keep uh themselves in one area code 7.5 square miles this it's not a huge town their motto here is uh quote indiana's first city is that right it's true yeah indiana's first city but it's not even a city it's well i mean technically anything is really is it i mean sim city is a city if you're playing it i guess or their other motto is this is kind of

uh what they'll tell you when you get there that's to get you there is indiana's first city if you're playing it, I guess. Good point. Or their other motto is this is kind of what they'll tell you when you get there. That's to get you there is Indiana's first city. And then once you get there, it's, quote, we didn't mean for all this to happen. We are sorry. We didn't mean for all this Indiana to spring up around us. We're sorry. We apologize. All this southwestern Indiana.

Indiana's first city. First city. And we'll discuss how that happened here. It's located on the lower wabash river and it's it's southwestern part it's it's down there man this is some rural shit down here like i said it's like three hours away two to three hours away from all cities everything three hours even three hours from you know chicago i think it's like four hours it's like two hours from st louis so there's a lot of you can get just about anywhere

here it's uh it's been inhabited by you know native americans for thousands of years it's not like it's uh it was you know barren or anything like that uh they they uh i guess this there was a lot of burial sites here for some reason uh local indigenous people used this area got it specifically as like giant burial sites. Burial ground, which might explain a lot. That's horrifying. This could explain a lot. We're talking thousands of years old burial.

But still, they were like, I just put them in Vincennes and now bones are ashes today. Things are happening. Yeah. Who knows where they are now? But the first European settlers here were French. Oh, as judge, as you can tell by the name which is quite fred the name is spelled v-i-n-c-e-n-n-e-s which oh yeah it's it's uh which yeah could be like either an italian guy going hey vincennes get over here you fat bastard or it could be chubby fuck vincennes

here it was uh founded as part of you know the french colony because this is part of what the french owned got it this is on you know this is the other colony because this is part of what the French owned. Got it. This is what we bought from the French in the early 1800s there. The Louisiana Purchase, as it might be. Maybe that's why it's shaped like Louisiana. It's possible. Doubt it. Probably not. A lot of France here, though.

There's a lot of French influence here. influence here uh just a just a lot of uh uh in 1702 35 canadians formed a company trading post here to trade buffalo hides with natives so that's uh that's kind of the first settlement by europeans here it became a big time trading post for animal skins and shit like that uh the the in the that post there that they opened up in the first two years the traders collected over 13 000 buffalo hides that seems like a lot it seems like a lot for just these people in vincennes so yeah imagine that and project that all over the country that's a lot of these trading posts and you wonder why the buffalo were gone where are they up in there in vincennes and carved up in hides so uh it is the oldest uh the oldest european town in indiana

was established in 1732 that's where you know they saw those buffalo hides and they were like this is a this is a fur trading post man right here we're not messing around so they made it a fur trading post a lot of french guys whose names i'm not going to try to pronounce for here i wrote them all down i'm like why am i writing these right it's francois some shit right one guy's name is francois marie i'm like i don't know marie yeah like osmond very progressive yeah well it was for seven for the 1700s especially the french now it's fine but back then oh jesus christ so uh yeah it's it's it's pretty interesting here so france france lost the french and indian war which was part of the seven years war which we've talked about before and uh as a result they had to

uh they gave this this area to the british basically so then the british ended up controlling this little area the french and indian war and we gave it to the british yes they lost and they're like i give it to those well the british were on the indian side got it they kind of sat back and went who's gonna win and then they jumped in on the it's it's a it's one of those things i didn't know that it's all the wars back then were about how many allies you could get on your side and shit like that it's kind of the same today yeah the american revolution the whole point was to get people to get the other countries to recognize that we might we might win this fucking thing. Got it.

And then they would start recognizing us, and then we'd become a real country. Got it. And we'd become a real boy. And then they would love us to be on their side. Yes. And now today that is true. And that's how it works, yeah. So it's all the ways that the water's flowing that people go to.

People are rats, basically. They're going to take the easy way out. That's just how it works here. We run to the dry part of the ship. That's it's people are people are rats basically and they're they're gonna take the easy way out it's just how it works here we run to the dry part of the ship that's it man so uh yeah this this area fell under the uh the this was the the british's area here the british's the british's the british's this belonged to the british here uh british lieutenant john ramsey came here in 1766. He built a fort and surveyed the area and said, we're naming it Fort Sackville. No. Instead. Stop it. Of Vincennes, okay?

He took Sackville. Sackville. Was Dicktown not available? I believe Taintburg was taken by the next town over was the problem. Well, we got Cock Ridge right there. Cock Ridge there. You got Tateburg over here. You know what I mean?

We got the shiny brown mountaintop, too, so we're going to have to. Fort Nipple over there. It's not good. It's not good. Fort Areola is going to be a problem, I feel like. So let's head over to... Sackville, really? Are you kidding me?

This is for real? Fort Sackville. So, yeah, this was a lot of different culture here because there's a lot of Native Americans, Canadians, Brits, French left over. So there's a lot more intermixing of cultures here than normally takes place in other... That's why we wanted to call it that, because it's a sack, like aixing of cultures here than normally takes place. That's why we wanted to call that, because it's a sack?

Like a sack of people? Sack of things? I don't know what the hell he said, because he sacked it? I have no idea. Shafton was unavailable. Yeah. Well, in the end, it didn't matter, because we ended up changing it back and everything. But after the American Revolution the uh the americans

obviously took control of this area here and there's some weird shit that goes on in 1786 a captain john harden led a mounted kentucky militia across the ohio river and destroyed a friendly native american village ah for some reason friendly yeah they were friendly no no problems just like let's just go fuck those guys up okay we want Taint Town is our fucking name we're gonna say we're taking your name so this led to a series of attacks and

fighting and back and forth between the Wabush Indians and the American settlers bastards yeah it's finally in 1786 here in July 1786 the Wabb and the look on their faces yeah oh they are really in a hurry to come over here and trade with us why do they have their guns out oh my god that was my wife my kids just holding up a buffalo hide i thought this no okay they just seem angry i don't get it. Very, very not good.

Oh, Lord. That's a pretty dick thing to do. So in July of 1786, the Wabash Indians landed in 47 war canoes. Wow. They had 40. They had war canoes? They had war. This was like the Navy.

They had a fucking Navy. I had no idea that Indian tribes had naval fleets back then. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. 47 war canoes and drove the Americans all the way back to Kentucky. Wow. When you show up with the war canoes, I feel like right away. I want to see one of those.

Yeah, just the whole, oh my God, the overwhelming nature of it. You're going to ruin people's will to fight. Does it have like buffalo rack on the front oh how do you know when it's the war one it's like a head on a pike on the i have no idea pirate flag i don't know what it's got but when you stay 47 canoes mean business is what i'm getting at got aggressive hand paintings on the side like the hand on the side is like a big finger that's an awesome if you see 47 canoes unless there's college kids in it someone's pissed about something that's a lot of canoes they they they're so mad they rode over here they are pissed they're pissed

a bunch of them so the the uh jesus christ they ended up, it became a part of Knox County here, which it is now, and it was later part of the Indiana Territory. Vincennes was the capital of Indiana from 1800 to 1813, and then they moved the government to Corydon. Oh. I don't know why they did that. Coryton? Corydon.

D-I-N? D-O-N. Oh. Don. Corydon. Good for you, Cory. You got a Don. You got a whole Don.

It's Cory. Maybe they should have changed it to Cory kingdom. A whole Dun. Maybe they should have chosen Cory Town. Maybe that's what it should have been. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It sounds like Cory thought that's how you spell kingdom. He's like, is that? Cory, all of my own Dun. And all of Cory-Dun.

Took a step back. I'm surveying the land. They have a flag for this town. This town has its own flag, which is strange for a small... It's got a bunch of fleur-de-lis on it. Oh, no. There's shit on the Saints helmet there. Ah.

Yeah, it's got a bunch of those on it. Isn't there already one of those flags? Yeah, but they're all over the place. Well, what the fuck? Indiana has a lot of that because it was a French-influenced place. Chicago's got their own flag, too. That's bizarre. Yeah, that's a big city, though.

Yeah, but I mean, the city's got a flag. Phoenix has them, toooenix has a flag i've seen it yeah really i'm sure they don't know city's gotta calm the fuck down your whole state's got one stop yeah and that's even too much your state doesn't need a flag either for that matter calm down it's a good point you really don't it's a damn good we covered it all with one we got it we got this got it it's got 50 stars one for each of you one for each i got two guns i got 50 stars one for each of you val kilmer's line they're like no no it's two guns my bad whatever so uh they've had a whole bunch of uh time zone problems here there's indiana has has changed time zone uh vincennes has has been in three different time zones since 1918. They keep moving them around.

How many do we have? Parts of Indiana don't change their clocks like Arizona does, and parts of them are here. It's one of those states where if you work 20 minutes from your house, you better see what time zone it's in because you might be fucking late or early. I don't know. Dep depends on where you're going now i had to save some time for these reviews because there's a couple of reviews that are amazing yeah okay one of them's pretty long so we got to get through these here all right one review uh this is a one star um i've lived in vincennes all my life and all i can say is let me out with three exclamation points. There really isn't anything here, and I can't think of much good to say about it.

Nothing here for kids to do, and what little there is here is overpriced for a small town with low-paying jobs. As far as eating out, we have plenty of McDonald's, three, for a small town, and many more fast food joints. Whatever happened to having home-cooked meals where someone actually waits on you and serves you like a family? Don't get me wrong. The city is growing, but with more fast food places, try to have one on each side of town like Mickey D's or Taco Bell. Little shopping plazas that sit half empty with no stores of variety. This just sounds like a fucking nightmare. Dude, it's seven square miles.

You'll be all right. Here, you're lucky to get a paycheck. You're lucky if your paycheck covers your bills and taxes. If you love to struggle through life, then this place is for you. Now, that's a motto. If you love to struggle through life. Feeling too comfortable? Yeah.

A little too happy? Don't live that struggle life. Now, here's the second one. The title of this review, he gave it a heading, quote, Vincennes blows. I like him already. It's to the point. I've got to give the guy that. I've lived with my parents in Vincennes through my high school years and leaving this piece of crap town for

Chicago for college was just about the best decision I've ever made. Vincennes is a historic town, an early center of trade in the Northwest Territory, whose origins go back to the Revolutionary War. However, thanks to backward city leaders, Vincennes failed to progress beyond that stage and hence has stayed in a small town

with little infrastructure or culture. Vincennes should have been a Chicago or Indianapolis, but thanks to old psycho-conservative people, Vincennes has stayed a cultural wasteland with little business or opportunity for young people. Literally, this town is decaying and will likely continue to shrink in population

until only old people and white trash remain. It doesn't seem to shame city officials when visitors come to see the memorial and they have to see a town that's both ugly and dirty in many areas. Seriously, the downtown needs a facelift the public and Catholic school systems rather flawed, meaningless score, test scores and meaningful. Hey, well, this guy's got a he's got that meaningful SAT, AP or ACT scores. He's he's pissed. Yeah. Looking for big city solutions in a small.

Yeah. You're in a small town. You know where you should do. You should stay in Chicago. You're probably a lot lot happier you moved where you need to be i mean and that's nothing to you i wouldn't i'd be miserable here too why are you running down a town you don't live in anymore you got out i got out yay all you're doing is rubbing it in the face of the guy that wants out and can't in your view should just as said in his fucking review it makes me sad when i have to go back for thanksgiving that would have been a fine review enough stinks uh population of this town they peaked out kind of uh in about 1980

but they from 1940 to about 1990 they had kind of about the same amount of people in the in the 20 000 people range today they have 17 944 people down about 10 since 1990 so it's it's it's a shrinking dying kind of a little... It's one of those towns where you go, oh, isn't that Main Street sad? It's getting sad. And it comes and goes and ebbs and flows with the economy and shit like that.

Female population and male population's about normal. A few more males than females. But there's a college here, a small college, so that's going to skew everything younger. Yeah, median age is 34. that's going to skew everything younger. Yeah, median age is 34. Everything's pretty average on the ages except more 18 to 22-year-olds. So college kids are there.

And married population way less. It's about 42% because a lot of them are 18, 19 years old. And it's not a big Mormon town. It's one of those things. More single people. Single with children, 25% of the population. Wow. Even that.

There's kids. Single with kids, 25%. 25%. Yeah. That's strange. There's actually less single with no children people than normal. Weird. But more single. But way more.

It's normally 16% single with children. Yeah. And here it's 25%. That's a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. It's normally 16% single with children, and here it's 25%. That's a lot of people. Yeah. It's interesting. Race of this town, 90% white. Pretty white, I would say.

5.8% black, which is still less than half the average nationally. 0.9% Asian. Couldn't quite get to that 1% here. 2.4% Hispanic, so very low there. Religion in this town is about 47%. So close to average, a little bit low. And it's a mixed bag in the Midwest. You're going to get a few Catholics, some Baptists, some Methodists, Presbyterians, a lot of other Christians, just whatever.

0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. Not a one. Not a one in the area here out of 17,000 people. This county is very conservative. It's a rural kind of county. It's very conservative. Last election, 24% Democrat, 71% Republican. That is overwhelming.

4% Independent. Yeah. It's a rural county. It's known for being very conservative. Unemployment rate here is about 3.5%. That's about the national average, which is pretty damn low. Household income, though, also very low. So you're working, but you're working a shit job. You work at the dollar store or whatever.

You're working, but fucking why? Yeah, that's the thing. Or you might have a good job at the college or whatever, but normally median income is $57,000 in the rest of the country. Here, $36,000. So, yeah, when you see that, 30% make under $20,000 a year, which could be a lot of college kids, too. But 55% of the people here make under $40,000 a year. That's too much.

That's a lot of people. That's way too many people. That's a lot of people working very hard for very little. What was the quote? If you like to struggle, this is the place for you that's that's economically that guy doesn't seem to be lying uh the jobs here too are you know more manufacturing jobs than normal a lot there's a lot of stuff that ebbs and flows with economic conditions which is a an issue as well uh a lot of health care and shit college kids with chlamydia

you know how that works yeah they're always getting something on their dicks always gonna need a doctor my dick's broke yeah it's all messed up green ooze my dick's messed up man you gotta help me again what is it the eddie murphy raw my dick's messed up i don't know i crapped out oh that's right yeah i crapped out my dick's messed up mess my dick up so uh that's my dick mess my dick up that's the life mess my dick up. Mess my dick up. That's the line. Mess my dick up. Just put his arms out to the doctor. Crapped out. Mess my dick up. Mess my dick up.

So overall here, cost of living, 100 is regular average par. Here it's about 70. And the main thing driving it down low is housing, which is a 41. Good. Out of 100. Yeah. Normally it's 231,000 is the average home cost in America. Here it is $95,000.

Wow. Way less here. A lot of houses in the $60,000 to $80,000 range. Over 25% of the houses fall into that category. Okay. So it's affordable. Let's say that. And if you've decided to afford it, we have for you the Vincennes, Indiana real estate report.

Your average two bedroom rental in this little Hamlet here is about seven hundred nineteen dollars, which is kind of high, actually, based on three bedroom, one bath house. I found sixteen hundred seventy five square feet square feet i mean it could use some updating it doesn't have like new countertops and shit like that but it's like a nice little house it's got trees outside it's livable it's a cute house it's nice it's you look at that oh that's nice uh sixty five thousand dollars well for 1600 square feet too not bad i found a seven bedroom, four bath, 4,236 square foot house. That's a lot of house. It's a lot of house. It needs work.

It needs to be updated. The outside, the paint's kind of run. It's not like fucked up inside. It hasn't been updated since the 80s. It needs some updating. But for the price of this place, $148,000. For 4,000 square feet of house. Seven bedrooms and four baths. It's like an orphanage for Christ's sake, this place. $148,000. For 4,000 square feet of house. For seven bedrooms.

Wow. And four baths. I mean, it's like an orphanage for Christ's sake, this place. And then if you want to stretch out, you've done well. That's not even the big one. That's not the big one.

I found a five bedroom, six bath, 5,900 square foot house. My word. It's got huge white pillars outside. It looks like the Money Pit house. Yeah. Or like a Beverly Hills mansion

that you'd see. A big fuck you house. It's like where beverly hillbillies would move yeah uh 589 900 bucks half a million dollars for everything that indiana has to offer just the half of indiana there you go it's crazy yeah and like i'd love to see that in la that house would be 17 million dollars and you'd have to get brad pitt or angeline and all their kids so things to do in this town oh boy did i find some things to do jesus christ some weird shit things to do in indiana jimmy there's some weird stuff going on in the middle of this country that i'm not sure of uh they have first of all the watermelon festival uh the knox county chamber

of commerce is once again hosting the watermelon festival it's indiana's largest watermelon festival they have more than one they're proud of it yeah oh yeah and this is the largest one's the biggest somebody went around and measured them all whose job was that to go nope yours is yours is the largest right here blue ribbon like at the dog show uh the festival's held each year to celebrate Knox County's ag community, agriculture. It is the premier watermelon festival in all of Indiana. Wow. The festival's fun for the entire family, featuring entertainment, a baby contest.

What? A baby contest. Oh, that is so insulting. Hold on. Are they making the babies do things? I don't know. Is it like baby gladiators? Or are they just going, hey, he's not so cute. Hold on. Are they making the babies do things? I don't know. Is it like baby gladiators?

Or are they just going, hey, he's not so cute. He's all right. Hey, there he is. He's a cute one. There's our winner. How'd you like to be last place of that shit? That's what I mean. Ouch. Sorry.

Here you go, mom. Take this one back. A beauty pageant after the baby contest for the older kids so you can break their fucking hearts, too. A pet contest. Let's insult your dog i'd like to insult your baby your seven-year-old fuck your wife what do you got a dog bring him over he's an ugly fucker too just like your ugly wife and your ugly daughter let's go this town is vicious

fucking food boots a watermelon seed spitting contest of course there is that is some fucking A watermelon seed spitting contest. Of course there is. That is some fucking banjo shit right there. We've also added a new, all capital letters, event this year to our festival lineup. A three-on-three basketball tournament, which will be held. Okay. Now, normally, anywhere that is 90% white that is having a watermelon festival and holds a basketball tournament with it, I'm going to call foul.

Yeah. To use a basketball term. But in Indiana, they're the only place you can let that slide because basketball is their life. And there's no black people anymore. Anyway, if they have a beauty contest, there's also a three-on-three basketball tournament

with it. The chicks all go out in their wedding gowns and they come out in shorts and have a three-on-three basketball tournament because that's part of it well i don't know how's her jumper i mean she's pretty she's smart i mean she had that solution a world peace she had i'd never heard that before i think israel and palestine could finally get along but how's her fucking three-pointer she got 12 feet on that seat spit is she consistent from the line that's what i'm worried about here that's they're very into basketball ah jesus see hoosiers yeah it's

weird larry bird and larry bird uh red skeleton festival they have what is the red red skeleton is a i'm using huge air quotes comedian uh from the 30s and whatever who is a clown yeah and a complete dipshit right and i know that a clown and a complete dipshit. And I know that very famous and you should respect your elders. Not when you put clown makeup on. As soon as you do that, it's all over for you. He had a TV show, didn't he? Oh, yeah.

He has all sorts of shit. Honoring one of America's favorite clowns with entertainment, clowns, food and fun. A performance by a red skeleton impersonator, Brian Hoffman, kicks off the weekend. This guy impersonates an old clown. The Circle City Sidewalk Stompers Clown Band will be there. A parade of clowns. Oh, no. A parade of clowns? I would love to just put brass knucks on both hands and run through just punching everything I could get my fucking arms on and arm distance.

Ting, pow, ting, ting, tang, tang. Squeak. All you'd hear is fucking brass knucks bouncing off clown skulls. That's it. Ting, pow. Oh, it would be strong. Yeah. Couple of squeaks, couple of honks.

They step right on their foot like fucking Uncle Buck and you can fucking beat them. Food vendors, mimes, Jimmy. Magic shows, bathtub races. What? I don't know. Those sit still. I don't know. Donut eating contest and a red skeleton film.

There will also be a tribute to comedian Tim Conway. You know who he is. No. He he died recently he was a oh yeah forever yes as the winner of jesus christ of the 2019 red skelton america's clown award winner he's very prestigious the clown award winner winner i guess he wasn't a clown though no but he was silly yeah sort of i mean he was a silly guy he made faces and shit was he on was he on radio too he's he's around forever so he probably started on radio you know in the 30s or something everything he was a smart guy tim conway yeah he had a lot of he had a lot of dumb shit but he was also a smart guy i don't know crime rate in this town what we're interested in property crime is double the national average they will steal your shit here

you know what i'm noticing every time we do a town where people are broke as fuck there's a lot of property crime weird people steal shit when they're yeah it's a strange thing you need things you just take when you're broke you steal shit you break in this shit yeah yeah and uh violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about half the national average okay so double property, half. That's weird. Well, take everything but your life. Yeah, that's it there.

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you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced. She suspects connections to a powerful religious group. Enter federal agent V.B. Loro, who has been investigating a local church for possible criminal activity. The pair form

an unlikely partnership to catch the killer, unearthing secrets that leave Ruth torn between her duty to the law, her religious convictions, and her very own family. But something more sinister than murder is afoot, and someone is watching Ruth. With an all-star cast led by Emmy nominee Sanaa Lathan and Star Wars Kelly Marie Tran, Chinook is available exclusively and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Let's do it here. Let's talk about a guy first. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. At C-A-T-T. Yeah. Double T, Kat. Hell yeah. Double T. Yeah. C-A-T-T. So, Damon B. Kat. He's from Indiana.

He's born in Indiana, raised in Indiana. And I did some research on this guy. He's an interesting fellow. Let's talk about him from the beginning. I did. When you go back on someone and you do newspaper archive searches, you find the craziest shit. It's amazing. and you do newspaper archive searches,

you find the craziest shit. It's amazing. And I found, I did find, I found a real highlight of his life on July 10th, 1989. So no matter what happens from here on out, you can never take this away from him. July 10th, 1989,

his little league team here in a tournament won 15 to nothing and he hit a home run that day. Grace. That's right. This is crime and sports. a home run that day. Grace. That's right. This is crime in sports. We give him a grace right here.

That's it, guys. This is shining moment. He talks about it the rest of his life. That ball going out, he still talks about how it glimmered off the sunlight as he watched it. And the second he hit it, it was weird because he didn't even feel it. It was one of those, he hit it on the sweet spot of the bat, never felt it, but he watched it so And the second he hit it, it was weird because he didn't even feel it. It was one of those he hit it on the sweet spot of the bat, never felt it, but he watched it soar

majestically into the clouds. The B in Damon B-Cat stands for baseball. It stands for baseball. It stands for Bambino. It stands for babe. It's little known. Yeah.

Very little known here. So, yeah, I don't know what the final of the tournament came out as, but very important stuff here. So, yeah, I don't know what the final of the tournament came out as, but very important stuff here in 1989 Indiana Little League tournament. So in 1991, I found he's in the sixth grade, and he apparently successfully completed a 17-week.

That's a long program, by the way. Any program that's 17 weeks long, I don't think cops train for 17 weeks. I really don't. I think they train for less than that. They just give them a gun and a badge and send them out there. 17 weeks is usually a trial period to see if the medication works or kills you. Yeah, 17 weeks is months. That's over four months.

That's a long time. It's about four months. That's a long-ass time. A 17-week drug abuse resistance education program. Oh. over four months that's a long time it's about four months that's a long ass time uh a 17 week drug abuse resistance education program oh so it was like he learned for 17 weeks it was like a 17 week hardcore tell kids not to do drugs program which just seems good for you nancy mod on that seems like a fucking lot doesn't that just seem like yeah as a kid i'd just be like i need to smoke a joint when i'm done lying sure what jam it in my arm i don't 17 weeks you learn

which ones you like after that good lord that's just so much uh him and i have a whole list of other other kids zachary jackson good for you zach carrie yagle good for you, Zach. Carrie Yagle. Good for you. Heather McClure. Good job. That's a nice. Aaron McCormick. We're proud of you, big guy. I wonder how many dropped out after like four weeks. Like, this is too much. This is too much.

Jesus Christ. This is a kid's like 11 at this point or 12 or something. It's like 17 weeks. 17 weeks. Just seems like I'd like to know how many of these kids ended up to be drug addicts because i bet a greater percentage than the than the regular population probably in the end they just knew too much police taught them which ones they want to try look an hour they could have just scared them i heard some crazy shit i'm not touching them but 17 weeks it's you just know too you're just too familiar at that point you're like

oh fucking heroin again yeah all right fine yeah i know you get tired and whatever fine it's like a semester of pharmacy school they just put them through these kids are actually now certified pharmacists in the state of indiana they could probably pull it off i think so in uh august of 1997 now so now we're talking about six years after teenage years here uh he's he's 18 years old at this point and uh oh boy he's a he's a fucking idiot uh he is uh he is held i guess he's booked uh at this point in time at 18 in august of 97 into at the bicknell he lives in bicknell he grows up in bicknell indiana it booked into their police department at 10 o'clock p.m. on a warrant, on a battery warrant. So he's 18 years old.

He's already got a battery warrant. Beating people up. And he's held on a $500 bond at that point. And it's going to escalate from there. Basically, the second he turns into an adult, he just goes off. Takes his hands to himself? His hands, his meth, his weaponry. Oh, boy.

His everything. We'll talk about it. Let's just say that program didn't work very well. I really, really want results of the other kids. I should have started looking them up for crimes, looking them up in the fucking databases. Who's in prison? At minimum, look on Facebook and see if they're even there. Because if they're not on Facebook, there's a reason, James.

He's a little meth-y. Look at that. I don't know. I don't like the way those cheeks look. It's a meth problem here. That's a good point, too. If you're not that. I don't know. I don't like the way those cheeks look. It's a meth problem here. That's a good point, too. If you're not on any social media, what happened? Right.

What happened? Who are you hiding from? Who are you hiding from? Right. Yeah. Do you have, I mean, it could be like a sleeping with the enemy situation where you have some horrible person you're hiding from or you're physically hideous. Right.

That's a problem. Or you're just completely embarrassed with your circumstances. That's a thing. Or you have enough confidence and self-worth to not care what people from high school give you. Either one of those things. Or you're predisposed and not allowed to have fucking internet privileges. Yes. Or you're a child pornographer and you're not allowed on the internet at all.

So any one of those categories, I believe there's five that we just listed there's a reason why your old boyfriend isn't on facebook one of those five reasons complete fuck up and then i i got a friend request from him i don't know three years ago or so so i accepted it and then two weeks later he was being tagged in posts by a criminal who was talking about how that kid had just gotten out of prison got a tattoo from him didn't pay him for it and if you see him inbox me because i'm gonna beat the shit out of that i was like this is exactly nothing's changed great why do i do this is awesome good for you why am i on facebook ah jeremy you dipshit that's awful awful. Jesus Christ. So, September 14th, 1998. This is one of his, this is really a crowning, shining moment in a young man's life right here.

He's at the Circle A food mart. Oh, yeah. Not the Circle K. Not the Flying J. No, not the Flying J. Not the QT. No, no. Circle A.

Not the A-M-P no. Circle. Circle A. Not the AMPM. The Circle A here. It's on 6th Street. And apparently there was police get a call about a fight happening there at the Circle A, where all the fights happen, really, where shots were fired. Oh, Jesus. Which is a lot. It's escalating. Let's just say.

It's certainly not a talk any longer no that's it's not just a shoving match shots were fired uh so the cops get their witnesses at the store say okay there's this guy richard poe and there's this guy damon katt yeah and they were involved with some altercation with some other people and they fled the scene in a green oldsmobile okay so uh officers end up stopping the car. A few minutes later, you know, they go look for the green Oldsmobile with two idiots inside of it. It's not hard to find. Not a lot of green Oldsmobiles rolling around.

No, there weren't any. There weren't a lot in the late 90s. And there are fewer today. Even if there was Oldsmobiles, there's not a lot of green ones. I'm sure that's an odd thing. So they pulled. It's an odd choice for your color i'd like the worst car in the worst color please thank you actually brown i'd like

to make two bad choices yeah i'd like to brown is worse whenever you see a brown car you're like why'd you do that why first of all why'd they even make that and then you that had to be a discount that would be like how cheap was that you're like no i don't know and they're like brown one's a thousand dollars cheaper and you're like all right don't know and they're like brown one's a thousand dollars cheaper and you're like all right that'll make it work okay get those payments down about 403 a month and that'll work it all right fine it seems like the brown cars are the ones that they give to like enterprise or dollar rental cars they rent them all out and then they blind people to people who don't give a fuck because they're on either vacation or work still drive a nice

brown car for you so yeah you're gonna drive according to when when the when the sound goes off because they're on the shoulder you know that works so when they're pulled over uh poe here richard poe is in the front seat dickie poee over here. Good Lord. P-O-E. Dickie Poe. Both of them have so few letters to describe everything about them. Two, Poe Cat. Yeah. Two people have seven letters among them in the last name. That's fucking crazy. That's fantastic.

They could bring a friend and my name is still longer than them, than all of them. They could bring a Smith and we'll call it even. That's how fucking awesome that is. So, yeah, they're in the front seat of the car. And then Melissa Van Patten is in the rear passenger seat of the car. So they have a lady back there. Melissa Van Patten. She sounds like Indianapolis or Indiana.

That's the state. She sounds like Miss Indiana. She probably was. She sounds like shit. This year, hot meth in the back of a car after a shooting at the Circle A food park. In the back of a green Oldsmobile. Yeah, she's like, well, I don't know what happened. I had a talent.

They pull her over and they pull him over. Those two are just giving their life. She's like, I don't know what happened. To the back seat, take me away from this, please. I sang America the Beautiful. I sang it so well i have no idea i made an old lady cry so uh now the cat here damon he tells the officers that yes i was in a fight with a man uh at the time and uh earlier not tonight but in a in a you know

previous day i had been in an altercation with a gentleman and happened to be passing by the Circle A food mart and noticed this gentleman was in attendance. So I said, maybe I should have a chat with him. Here he is. This is nice and easy. Went in to have a nice civilized chat with him. And yeah, that's how it was. Actually, he said that he wanted to get back at him. Right.

And he saw them in the store and he said, I'm going to go fight him now. I'm going to go beat his ass. There's that motherfucker right there. There's that motherfucker right there. I'm wanted to get back at him right and he saw them in the store and he said i'm gonna go fight him now i'm gonna go beat his ass there's that motherfucker right there there's that motherfucker right there don't get him pull it over pull it over so uh now no he didn't mention the gun he said i don't know i don't have a gun and they searched the car and they didn't find a gun obviously if people are calling the cops they're hopefully at least smart enough to ditch a gun yeah so uh police released them because they there's no gun and there's nobody there's no complaint from a person saying they were assaulted okay so what do you hold them on just people said he did something but it's there's no

proof of it nobody can prove shit so they returned to the store uh to talk to the witnesses again and a woman told them that they had seen cat fire the handgun toward the man. Oh, OK. Now it's a serious thing. Someone else is there going, OK. And another witness said she saw a woman in the car. The woman who drove away in Miss Indiana here. You know it. What was her talent in singing America the Beautiful? You think?

Or blowing bubbles? Maybe. Maybe. Rubbing her finger on some wine glasses? I thought it'd be something really weird like she plays like a like a piccolo flute or something like that you're like that's a weird talent plays the frog by blowing in his ass and making him croak that's it now that's really that's a talent now if you squeeze him when he's all blown up you could really get to

play him like a bagpipe you play him like a bagpipe that's how it works now you stretch the arms out and it gets it's a higher pitch and then i played america the beautiful with the frog with well with the frog well actually i turned him around so it came out his butthole i played america the beautiful and frog farts i'm gonna be at the watermelon spitting festival this year i'll be on the b stage don't worry about that at all on the beast i mean maybe next year on the a stage i'm working on my act i'm really working on getting that red skeleton award i'm working on it because i'm into clowning so yeah so this witness said that she saw the woman from the car miss indiana herself hide something in a gutter on 10th Street.

So now this is all kind of coming together. So police end up somehow through some witnesses, they end up going to a nearby house right around there. And they end up recovering a.22 caliber handgun from the man inside the house who said he just got it out of the gutter. So that's an interesting thing here. Well here i thought i had me a gold mine i thought you guys are gonna take this from me a 422 pistol this is my pickings yeah uh finders keepers i believe is the town motto right it's finders in the gutter is mine, right? This is my ticket out of this struggle. See this right here? Ain't no bullets, but I'm going to get some. Now, so police later discover that this gun had been reported stolen about two months earlier.

Oh, no. So this is a stolen gun that they have been seen putting in the gutter. But all they have is a witness saying that they saw a woman put something in the gutter, couldn't see what it is. And then a guy saying, you got a gun out of a gutter, but you can't. He's not in possession of a stolen one. It's hard. So several witnesses here tell police that Damon had initiated the altercation by using

a baseball bat. Basically, he ran into the store like a psychopath with a baseball bat and started swinging it at people. How many weapons has this guy got? A lot. Well, wait till you hear it. Boy, oh boy. This is his opening salvo.

He's got way more stuff that's crazier than this. If he saved some money, he might be able to buy a silver Oldsmobile. This 24 hours, he's barely gotten started with attacking with weird weapons. Good Lord. This guy, I don't know. I mean, mean meth we do know it's meth because he gets busted for meth a bunch and he's he's on meth let's put it that way so he's a little his judgment's a little skewered yeah and uh maybe unpredictable maybe the silver osmobile isn't the goal that it should be for him is what i'm getting at so they uh yeah he the jesus christ he runs into the circle a swinging the bat like a

maniac yeah uh hitting people with it the people he's after the guy he's after and people that the guy is with just swinging it knocking shit off his shelves like a psychopath you can swing a bat in a grocery store see what happens it's not easy so uh apparently the bat was taken away from him by several people who rushed in and what the fuck is happening and tackled him and took the bat away from him. And then Cat himself was beaten up by these people. Of course. They took the bat away. So they took a bat away from him, beat the shit out of him.

He just came in and hit him with bats. Guys that run in with weapons need the weapon. That's the thing. They can't fight. Well, they can't fight. That's why they got it. I get if the guy was with five other people or something i mean that's i'm gonna go in here with a bat but uh you know you better hope it doesn't get taken away from you because

then they're gonna beat the shit out of you possibly with it and also this ain't a movie it's very rare that a guy with a bat can just beat up five guys oh they're generally not gonna wait around one by one to fight you a bat is not a great weapon no that's the thing if you watch watch a guy a haymaker now you're just vulnerable okay yeah now you're gonna swing it back and it's not an easy thing you're better off turning it around and using the handle as the beating part as a matter of brilliant yes that's a that makes sense yeah it's kind of an old school yeah those little like the giveaway bats like the yankee Stadium bat day bats, giveaway

fuckers. If you turn those around, you can use them like at warp speed. Yeah. That's like being a shitty teenager. Yeah. Yeah. Knowing shit like that. Whack them like a tack hammer.

Yeah. But he didn't do that. No. He came in swinging it like he's the Bambino. Like he's right. We talked about it. Yeah. I hit a home run.

I hit a home run in Little League, everybody. Watch. Watch this. It's the same bat. It's the same bat he saved from Little League. It's got a little etching on it for that one home run. It says Lil Slugger. Lil Slugger on it, yeah.

So he's then beaten up. He gets a bloody nose. His mouth is bloody and all that sort of shit. So as he's being beaten, it's at this point that he pulls out a handgun. Oh, you already have that. You had that. You went in with the bat first. Okay.

Then you get beat up. It's a bad opener. That's what I mean. If you have the gun, I guess he just wanted to beat the guy up and stand over and be like, now that's what you get for messing with the Bambino. You're lucky I didn't have my, I did have it. And show it. Oh, that's some gangster shit.

Yeah. So Jesus Christ, he ends up being, they're beating the shit out of him and he's kind of on the ground in a heap, Heathcliff style. And then out of nowhere, gun comes out, just starts firing shots off indiscriminately, I guess, to clear the crowd. If you are getting the shit beaten out of you by a group of people firing a handgun off, we'll disperse the crowd. That'll move. That's one thing. Yeah. I mean, mean it's not it's one of those things where it's like doing

heroin it's not a good idea but it works if the effects of heroin are what you're trying to achieve and you take heroin you'll get to that yahtzee and if you're trying to disperse the crowd who's beating you maybe not a good idea to fire shots indiscriminately into a grocery store. But it'll work. I see what his point is, too. But the problem with that, you don't get to claim self-defense with the weapon. If he walked into the grocery store, was looking at hostess pies, and a group of men started beating the living shit out of him on the floor.

Produce handguns, sir. Pull them out. That's a different story. This is, I see him from a car, go in there with my bat and start swinging. And then when the fucking tide starts going against me, I'm going to start shooting. A guy named Alan Wilson ends up telling police that he's the man that was being shot at. He ran away, too, because he was in a brawl in a grocery store. Yeah. And also because somebody started shooting yeah well everybody dispersed too because i mean if you you bloody someone in a grocery store you think i might get

in trouble for this at some point too so eventually though this alan wilson says i'm the guy that he was shooting at so uh yeah he's he's uh so then so they were let go though this is this was the second round of canvassing. The incident happened at the store. They went and pulled him over, talked to him, didn't find a gun, let the three of them go, go back to the store, do a bigger investigation. That's how that worked. So later on, at about 8.50 p.m. here, a car with now cats driving a car. A couple hours later. Why is he in a car? This all started at 6.30 p.m. Now it's 8.50. Now he's got a car with now cats driving a car okay a couple hours later why is he in the car this all started

at 6 30 p.m now it's 8 50 now he's got a car he's driving and he is stopped by a police officer uh officer terry stremming and that's only important because he'll come up later on uh here and uh he stopped for failing to stop for a stop sign okay now you've ran into a store with a baseball bat acting like a lunatic. You got away with that. You didn't get killed by a group of guys trying to kill you. Shot off a handgun. Didn't hit anybody. You've done all this stupid shit you've left. You've been pulled over

after you did that and released by the police. Fucking unreal. And then you're still dumb enough to not stop for stop. How much police interaction can you have in one day is what i'm getting at it's too much police interaction for one day that's terrible driving too and at some point don't you just after being stopped by the cops and being let go after all of that don't you go 10 and 2 staying in today fucking 10 and 2 i'm not going fucking

anywhere i'm staying i'm going out getting a 12 pack and i'm coming home anything uh somebody go get that for me please that's what i mean man i don't know what the fuck here so instead uh he's pulled over and uh there had been apparently uh the police officers the police said that there had been complaints about the vehicle driving erratically and doing crazy shit in other parts of town so the police were actually looking for this car anyway and then they saw him roll through a stop sign and so they're like well let's pull him over for that so uh yeah jesus christ what a fucking crazy shit so he pulls him over and uh he he a resident had waved him over and said he saw the car run the stop sign several times too so so just circle on the block on the block he's not doing. Yeah, it's,

it's one of those things. So the resident spotted the car, pointed it out to the cop. The cop saw him roll it, do it again. Yeah. Uh, said he, you know,

tried to make a routine traffic stop, but when he pulled him over cat, this is awesome. This is a very live PD moment. This cat guy is like a dream life PD character. You just want to follow him around with a camera because he's going to fuck up uh apparently they pull him over and cat before anything happens uh cat immediately begins just an absolute tirade of obscenities at the top of his lungs calling the cop a piece of shit how fucking dare you and you can't arrest me and you can't the one thing is whether they

can or can't in the situation don't tell cops you can't arrest me that makes you can't. The one thing is whether they can or can't in the situation, don't tell cops you can't arrest me. That makes them go. But I'd like to try to find a reason to find a reason. Don't challenge people to do that. And that's just that's their job. It's almost like if you said you can't make me laugh, you'd go, well, I bet I can. You're going to tell you some shit.

One of those things. I'll bet that firefighter can't put out this fire. Like that's what he's literally doing, telling him you can't do exactly what your job is. And doing it out the window, too. The cop's still walking up and Cat immediately popped his head out like, You motherfucker, you can't fucking... He didn't even get to the car. He didn't even say license and registration yet.

Had no idea what the deal was. So Cat's on one, let's just say. Let's just say the Bambino's on one. So the cop says the cat eventually kicks open his door uh like fucking angry style you know kicks open his door and starts to get out of his car uh he put out a hand to pull himself out of the car and the cop tried to grab his arm to restrain him because he didn't seem like he was coming out to you know ask him about asking if there's any good pizza places around. I feel like he was he was coming out for some confrontation at this point. So the cop tries to grab him, restrain him.

But at this point, the Bambino punches him in the mouth. Oh, no. So this is his night so far. Yeah, there's baseball bat craziness, firing handguns indiscriminately in the fucking frozen food aisle right and now he has slugged a cop oh you can't do that this cop by the way still nothing he didn't even say license registration yet he has just walked near the car and has been hit with a stream of obscenities and then in the mouth and then he's been you know got out of the car aggressively and been punched in the mouth now. So it's a cat is definitely causing all of this tonight.

He didn't have none of this shit had to happen. Cat's a lunatic. That's the thing. He seems problem. He seems to be the problem here. So he punches him in the mouth and backed into the I guess like he hit him in the mouth and then kind of fell back into the car after that. He was like just popping out of the car. Yeah. Hit him and then kind of fell back into the car after that because he was like just popping out of the car so he hit him and then kind of fell back with his ass kind of with his legs hanging out one of those probably couldn't believe that he just hit a fucking cop yeah because he's a

fucking idiot so the cop reaches in and try to tries to grab him and then cat starts kicking and punching the cop more to keep him off him so now he's kicking him out of the car right so now we have this situation this is uh he is very lucky. Hasn't been just shot. I don't know how he hasn't or tased or something. Yeah. So apparently the cop says that the Bambino here knocked off that his pager thing is and his radio off of his off of his uniform and even managed to get the extra clips, the extra pistol magazines off his out of his belt. Wow. And threw them out get the extra clips, the extra pistol magazines out of his belt.

Wow. And threw them out of the car. Now he's just being a dick. As they're fighting, he's just grabbing anything he can off of him and throwing it out of the car. I don't know. A cop is essentially a bulletin board. He's got all kinds of shit stuck to him. Okay.

A cop is like a nascar driver these fucking guys i watched i watched so much yeah i watched live pd and i remember looking at sarah the other night and i go i could never be a cop not for any of the obvious reasons that too right but the thing i couldn't take even before we get to dealing with crackheads and doing all this shit is i can't take every time you walk. There's. They're the jingliest, jangliest motherfuckers. Every step. There's a flashlight ticking and keys going and a fucking gun belt tacking and a fucking tactical vest that's moving with shit on it.

It's so much stuff. And those fucks got to run with that. Oh, and then when they run, I would lose my fucking mind. I would have to take the belt off by the end. I would lose my shit. I wouldn't be able to take it anymore. I remember when you were a kid, you'd kick your shoes off to run faster. Oh, Jesus.

Jesus, how do you go anywhere at all? How do you make any progress? Even in the car, they're just driving and moving. And I'm like, how do you tolerate this? How do you deal with it that's the most excruciating thing so maybe this guy's like thank you jesus this shit there's so much lighter so much stuff on me you realize you're really helping me kick your ass right now i'm so much lighter i'm feeling like svelte and strong so he apparently

throws them out of the car uh and then punches the buttons of the two-way radio that's on his he's like hitting he's hitting his radio trying to like break it i guess and uh just punching it yeah he's just and it's probably going it's going in and out of this and he's punching it and he's struggling with him and it's at this point that Kat tries to get at his pistol as well. Yeah. So this has turned into a very tense situation for a cop here. And so Kat manages to kick the officer from the car at that point and kick him. So he was kind of shoved away from the car.

So the officer is standing there going going what's going to happen now betty didn't expect this to happen uh well cat re-emerges from the car very quickly yeah after the officer but this time he's armed not with a gun no not even with a baseball bat with a fucking samurai sword the cop kills him right now right pops out of the car right with a samurai sword i repeat that so he went from baseball yeah to a fucking set which is a crazier weapon than a gun really it's a crazier weapon right if i'm if someone's mad at me and they pop out of their car with a samurai sword i'm way more fearful than with a gun i've never seen a samurai sword used in any sort of fighting unless it was like an Asian Bruce Lee movie

or a Quentin Tarantino movie. That's the only time that lunatic weapon is ever used. Think about this. How many times... It's a crazy fucking weapon. Okay, how many times in a movie have you seen someone threaten someone with a gun but not kill them? Happens constantly, right?

Constant. Constant. They pull it out, hey, motherfucker, get back. How many times have have you seen someone threaten someone with a gun but not kill them happens constantly right constantly pull it out hey motherfucker get back well how many times have you ever seen someone pull out a samurai sword and not chop a body part off never that's what it just never happens if someone has a sword they mean business that's what that says to me and stabbed or opened one holy shit and if you're a cop you're just like oh this asshole rolling through stop signs what an idiot next a minute and a half later next you got bruce willis and pulp fiction standing in front of you you're bleeding from the mouth right with some meth head white trash lunatic southwestern indiana fucking shit bag going zed's dead popping out of his oldsmobile ready to fucking open you up like a goddamn mall security guard who's taking you for rape things

unreal what's happening i don't know what's going on he gets shot right in the face right now right now uh no so the cop rather than shoot him uh jumps behind his police cruiser for his own protection and draws his pistol yeah so he does already gets back there and says hey if you don't fucking drop the sword right i'm going to shoot you because clearly you mean harm to me as we've already established you have a samurai sword and now you have a samurai sword which i don't know if you've realized makes it way worse yeah it's just made way scarier it's a giant razor blade so yeah so it's at this point. Okay. There's other people in the car, by the way. What? Okay.

He is not the only person in the car. And I saved that because it makes it extra crazy. Okay. The whole time, Miss Indiana has been in the passenger seat. Okay. Okay. Wow. Is she handing him weapon after weapon?

No. She's probably like, my dress so... My dress was so pretty! She's just screaming. Get me to the creek so I can get more frogs! I was going to go to New York and be a model, and she's just crying. At least Chicago somewhere. Oh, there's a scholarship so bad!

Somewhere. I spent it on meth. So, okay. Now, let's picture the scene, okay? Cop car behind a car, like a cop car pulls somebody over. Kind of cop car's a little more out in the road than him. Okay. He is standing, Bambino, standing outside of his door, facing back toward the cop door,

back toward the cop car, samurai sword in hand in full battle yeah in in battle stance okay samurai sword battle stance all right he's gone through the kata he's got it right so the cop is now behind his door of his police cruiser using it as a shield as they do with his gun drawn over the you know through the not through the window but you know between the door between the door yeah telling him drop the fucking sword or i'm going to shoot you so cat has many options here he can charge him and say hopefully i'm a better my sword is faster than a bullet maybe i can block the bullet with the sword samurai fucking wu-tang style maybe or um i could drop the sword and that's surrender super definitely plausible be cool like that that's a thing or third option third option i could fucking yank no miss indiana

out of the car and hold her in front of me like a human shield oh my god and that's the one he takes he takes that option whatever the worst option is this guy's gonna do it if you go he could do that or i mean he could do that other crazy thing that's what he did trust me that's always the thing that he did the thing that's the worst fucking thing he could have done he did it so oh boy yeah so he then jesus so now he's got a human shield in front of a cop and it is miss indiana he's got miss indiana in front of him by the way i don't know what she means to the cop it's his fucking chick that's with him like a cop's like i don't know it's between you guys i guess so he's got her as a shield using the sword like i'm gonna

i'll cut her fucking head off if you shoot me which is if you don't put your gun down so now they're in a standoff with a sound this is insane this is not southwestern Indiana behavior, usually. But this is very panhandle. This is crazy. Panhandle of Japan, but it's still panhandle. It's still very, very weird. So at this point, there's a slight standoff where Damon now, Cat, decides, okay, I've had enough of this, cat decides okay i've had enough of this and decides to take a more more proactive measure and uses the sword turns it around like a javelin and throws it at the officer

i swear to god this happened he turned it around and threw it like a fucking javelin this is towards the police officer this is like a parody bad movie how much would you love to be watching this out your window of your house? Like, if this is going, hey, Ma, someone's getting pulled over outside. What the? Holy shit. He's fighting with the cop. He's got a fucking sword.

Ma, he's got a goddamn. He just. Oh, he's going to get shot. He's going to. Oh, my God. He's going to cut this lady's head off. Holy shit. He just threw like a fucking.

Ma, get over here. Jesus Christ. He threw like a goddamn javelin. The sword went through his door, Ma. What the fuck is happening? This is insanity. So, he then gets back in his car. Cat throws the

sword at him, which is a distraction for the police officer, and then gets back in his car and doesn't... This is the other thing. He's back in his car. Drive the fuck away. Get away from the police officer. No. He just gets in click click oh no worse what's the worst thing he could do right now what's the worst decision

he could make drive away put it in reverse there you go jimmy all you have to do if you decide what did he do just go what's the worst i mean you gotta think outside the box not even in the realm of normal just what's the craziest worst thing a, you got to think outside the box, not even in the realm of normal. Just what's the craziest, worst thing a person can do? He's got to try and disable that cop car. There you go. I am white trash extraordinaire. Yeah, that's the thing. So while this is happening, he gets back in his car.

The cop uses this opportunity to start picking his shit up off the street. His radio, his extra clips yeah he can't chase the guy well he can't chase the guy and leave two full clips worth of bullets in the fucking street that's not a that's not okay kid's gonna grab all these 40 cows yay the kid who's watching from inside hey mom oh shit he left his clips holy jesus this going to be amazing. It's like 50 rounds. Yeah.

So this guy is bent over in the street picking up his shit, thinking that Kat, like a normal suspect, is going to drive away. Normally, to get in the car, they're going to drive as far away from the cop as possible. Right. That is a normal thing. Instead, as he's picking his shit up, he hears a bystander from a yard say watch out the guy's back in india to the cop so he doesn't even see the reverse lights he's picking shit up off the road he doesn't expect he's trying to do it fast to get back in his car and as he sees he looks up there's a fucking car coming toward him so what is trying to happen cat is trying to pin him

to the police cruiser. Oh, my God. He's between the two cars. He's between the two cars. Cat swings it out. So he's between the two cars at this point. So the cop has to literally dive out of the way of this car. So then Cat smashes into the police cruiser, which would have been the end of him, which

would have been, yeah, with the police, it would have been fucking paralyzed at least. Oh, Christ. Instead, he rams the police car. What's he going to do then? Go forward and do it again. You thought about, see, that time you didn't think, what would I do? Right. Which would be what?

No. Drive away. I wouldn't be in this fucking situation. But I'd get the hell out of there. Okay. He did it again. You think, worst thing, what he did it three more times wow three more times it's worse plus two yeah you think he'd just do it one more time no no he reversed bang forward bang forward back think about that while there's a police officer there that cop's got to to be going, oh, my God, this is never going to end.

Yeah, this guy is insane. Thank God he doesn't have a gun, this fucking guy, because he would have emptied everything he had at me by now. All he did was throw his only weapon at me. He threw a sword at me. This guy is, I mean, he's looking for projectiles is what I'm getting at. So anything he can get his hands on. Now he's using his car as a weapon. Everything's a weapon.

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apple podcasts so he rams the car three more times just to make sure it's fucked up i guess no one of the cops sitting on the ground after you dove away like what is he fucking doing how am i gonna explain this to my sergeant? Well, everything. The weird part is, if you're a police officer, everything that this guy is doing is going against what normal suspect behavior is, what expected suspect behavior is. Normally, they try to get away from you. He's much more dangerous. He's unpredictable as fuck. Right.

He's I don't know. It's like he's on meth or something. That's the thing. He's so unpredictable. You can't get any more unpredictable than this he's fucking crazy so uh a few minutes later jesus christ man this is nuts few minutes later he ends up getting arrested okay okay he ends up getting arrested at uh somehow at the city hall he gets arrested i don't know if he went there to turn himself in to say i don't know if that's what i mean i don't know if he went there to turn himself in to say, I don't know if that's what I mean. I don't know what he did, but he wasn't happy to be there because he gets there.

He broke windows as they were taking him in. He broke fucking kicked out windows in the place. Then as they get in there, this is fucking amazing. It's a small police. It's the Bicknell police force. So there's like two cops. He's struggling with them. They're having a hard time subduing him so the bicknell city judge john mckinnon happened to be at the

police station and he fucking dives into the fray to try to help so this guy you know as a judge trying to wrestle him into a fucking holding cell i never saw wapner get off the bench yeah which is which is crazy by the way now obviously if you are if you're being held and you've just you know you've done a bunch of crazy shit samurai swords we don't have to tell you again what he's done and then you're taken in you've broken windows in city hall you're fighting with the cops and a judge comes over to help put you in a holding cell what's the dumbest thing you could probably do there try to kick it out out? It would be to hit the judge, which is exactly what he did. Of course, yeah.

Him, he went after the judge. Because, you know, he won't have any say in what happens to you. In my future. So basically, yeah, just the dumbest thing ever. Oh, by the way, once you're in the holding cell, what do you do then? Beat up the guy that's in there. No, no, you're all alone in the holding cell. Oh, only...

Just you. Yeah, they're not going to put him in with anyone else. He's a raving psychopath. Is it a food strike? What do you do? No no that's not the dumbest thing you could do what does that do to anybody clog the toilet you ransack the entire holding cell smash the toilet to pieces break everything that you can fuck up the plumbing uh break the lights uh basically just do everything you can to ransack and destroy a holding cell which really there's not a lot to destroy so if you can fuck that up yeah you have an imagination so why do they have a toilet in there that's breakable you know why don't they have a fucking tin toilet i have no idea but he

broke i don't know if he smashed the toilet to pieces i don't know what that's a porcelain one that seems like a plastic maybe i don't know why you'd have that, because then you could break up porcelain and use it as a weapon. Right. So I don't know how you'd be able to do that. That shit's sharp. Yeah. You should have a cast iron or some shit. You got a hold of some tin snips.

You'd be in trouble, too. But either way. That's a good point. So, Jesus Christ. He's a fucking insane person. Yeah. Is there any? No.

There's no argument for his sanity, nor for fucking his... He gets more and more dangerous every second. That's the thing. Well, it gets worse. Okay. Later on, once they feel like they've calmed him down, they're, quote, readying him for transport to Vincennes. Okay. And so at that point, Kat, as they were taking him, Kat spit on the officers and the state troopers and kicked and punched and does everything that he possibly can.

At this point, they go over, they check out his criminal record and they find out that he has a long criminal record, including a bunch of drug related arrests, theft, burglary, you know, just escalation of meth charges, burglglary charges now it's starting to get more violent uh the one uh police officer the judge in the situation said that cat keeps getting more violent and threatening police officers during arrests now now he's angry he's not not only is he going to commit these crazy crimes he's going to lash out at the cops and they try to arrest him right so we've gotten to that point here uh so he is arraigned and he is charged with attempted murder really fucking yeah the cop yeah he tried to kill him like three times the sword the fucking yeah i'd count five uh the sword tried to get his gun initial oh and that the sword yeah uh ramming into him with the fucking police car there's so

many times he tried to kill this cop so that's a that's a class a felony that's a good one attempted murder of a police officer that's not good that's not positive during the course of his duty for shit's sake you're gonna be there a minute it's not like it was two in the morning at a bar and you were both trying to get the same chick right this was literally excuse me sir license and what the fuck totally different so uh yeah he has an appointed lawyer lawyer and all that sort of thing. They call it in the paper. And I found a newspaper that said local lawyer Christopher Ramsey was assigned as Kat's pauper attorney, which I think is a great way of saying that. Pauper attorney.

Get dirty, pauper. Here's your lawyer. It's just funny. Bond is set at $25, dollars and he remains in jail there uh fucking idiot man so a lot of time goes by here while he's in this deal and we'll discuss this here he's eventually charged with two counts of attempted murder of a police officer two counts of battery by bodily waste on a police officer that's spitting at them resisting law enforcement destruction of city property,

which was the police vehicle, police station, holding cell, battery of a judge, which is a... Go in front of a judge with that charge. They're not going to like you, probably. It's one of those things. Intimidation, criminal recklessness, disorderly conduct, and possession of stolen property. That is just a... That's a night right there, boy. I mean, you see those list of charges. That is just a night right there.

Boy, I mean, you see those list of charges you can put together quite the evening. That's one night. That's amazing. That's 15 minutes. That's like a half hour of this guy's life. That's quite the slice of life. The Poe guy wasn't in the car this time. He wasn't charged for the initial thing.

He ends up getting away. So he gets out of it here. They're still investigating to see if they can slap more charges on him. So September 16th, this is two days later now, the prosecutor says he plans to file additional charges, but he wanted to hurry to get the most severe charges filed so they could have an initial hearing before. They can need an initial hearing before the county's judges left for a three-day judicial conference we'll have no judges so we have to go that's how small of a county we're in literally all the judges will be gone where are they going a judicial conference yeah how about vacation yeah it's they're gonna go drink with other with other judges

talk about yeah find other catch up with people they went to law school with. That's what that is. So no law can happen, I guess, for that. I'm sorry. Everyone stop killing each other for about four days. The judges have a Mai Tai in their hands. We have to go talk about and reminisce about that time that we shoved a gavel up his ass because it was his first day at law school.

Remember that? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was great. First day at law school, he passed out first. He wanted to grease it up. I because it was his first day at law school. Oh my god. Oh my god. It was great. First day at law school, he passed out first. He wanted to grease it up. I was like, fuck him. You know what I mean? He can take it. Look at him. He's a big guy.

Oh shit, you're a judge now? Oh man. But it was important to file the charges because the law here limits the amount of time that you can hold him before they file charges. That's the law. They wouldn't have been able to.

They would have had to let him go by the time the judges got back. So they had to just slap the attempted murder on there real quick. And you can add shit later on. So they said it would have been exceeded if they waited for the judges to return. This is ridiculous. Come back from the ass gavel conference. Jesus Christ. And according to the law, this is what uh come back from the ass gavel conference jesus christ and according to the law this is what the newspaper says although any lawyer can be this is the vincennes times i think although any lawyer can be appointed as judge pro tempore in the absence of the

provided presiding judge what any lawyer who's who's a what who's appointing these people just you know that's a good point who chooses and then who's a point you who's appointing these people just you know that's a good point who chooses and then who's a point you can be appointed as a now you're a judge for a minute like a temporary judge because all the judges are what kind of hillbilly backwoods shit are we doing here have a judge there it stays there all the time if he goes on vacation have another one there she's there and all of them are the ass gavel how are we doing yeah sorry you all can't go one has to the junior member has to stay behind. Who's the newest judge?

Right. Fucking John? You stay here, dickhead. Union rules. They'll tell you about it. You'll see pictures on Instagram. You'll get the minutes. Don't worry.

Fuck you. Yeah. They'll write it all down. So the prosecutor also said that between Kat's behavior and the complexity of the case, he wanted an actual judge to handle the hearing, not just some lawyer appointed to it. Yeah, so there's a bunch of the police department there to see him get arraigned,

because they want this guy to stay in jail. One of the prosecutors said, quote, a couple of times, the officers had to restrain the guy in the courtroom. In the courtroom, he was freaking out. We definitely needed additional security.'s a handful yeah in court why isn't he buckled to a chair he should they should hannibal lecter his ass he should come in absolutely like a fucking he's the second he attacked a fucking cop that should be the rule but even if you give him a

little leeway once he gets to jail fucking judge punches judge, destroys his cell, starts spitting at people. Cuffs on the chair. You can't trust him. Sorry. This guy's a fucking maniac. In addition, during court, mind you, in court, usually even psychopaths have their best behavior on in court. Ted Bundy was a charmer in court.

He was. I've seen lots of footage of him trying his own case. He's pretty good. This guy, not quite the same level of finesse i'm gonna say uh he instead screamed and swore at the judge occasionally which is not a little more richard ramirez yeah just he just would sit there and be like fucking cocksucker piece of shit robe wearing fucking homo and they'd be like what you can't call the judge where's the powdered wig pussy yeah you fucking it was like one of those you're not a judge what the hell's going on here you're like you can't judge me actually i can so that's my job and don't call me a homo

that wasn't very nice it's a hurtful words would the defendant please stop referring to me as judge judy thank you very much appreciate that so uh so he's your honor not judith heinman thank you or cocksucker you can keep that one in your pocket too i don't like that one no judge brown will not work yeah judge cocksucker is not what i want to be called oh man so he said uh uh that when it came to answering the judge's questions that he was barely responsive. So he would scream and yell and call them names. And then when the judge would ask him something, he wouldn't want to talk. So the court, on their own motion, this is not the defense making this motion, the court said, let's get him checked out by psychiatrists.

Because based on this list of behavior and how he's acting in front of me, he's a little fucking out there. At least let's check him out because he might be. Judge, would you judge this as erratic? I would. I would say this is erratic behavior. And the prosecutor was like, yeah, let's take a look at him. Sure. They said, quote, there is a question as to whether or not the defendant has the present has the present comprehension to understand the nature of the criminal action and on the proceedings thereon and to help make a defense because he's you know yelling at the judge which doesn't help the defense

at all you're hurting me stop please uh so yeah he gets there uh he gets checked out in court i guess so this goes on november of november 1999 he still hasn't had his trial yet two years this is a year later now so this this was 98. Oh, okay. September 98, this happened. The cop who ended up fighting with him and had a sword thrown at him. Yeah, on an Oldsmobile. Yeah, he was actually awarded. He's awarded a merit badge by the city, by the Bicknell City Council, for this fight with Damon.

Really? Yeah, for not being murdered i guess so he gets some sort of uh uh merit they called it a merit badge i don't like the way that they call that he's got enough he's got enough shit on his uniform yeah let's not put that on now we're gonna put more shit on there dangling down anything else does he have to pin that to him jesus just tie a bandana around his ankle. Anything else we can slap on him there? Jesus Christ. Carry this shit.

Put a tool belt over that. You never know if someone might need their nails fucking hammered. Does he get a mirror ascot? Yeah. Let's load these guys up. Let's have them walk. We're just crawling down this track. I can't move.

Under the weight of my uniform. Yeah. December of 1999. And this is just interesting. So we had to bring it up. It has nothing to do with Damon, but it's goddamn funny. The officer, the Streming officer, who was awarded the merit badge a month earlier, is suspended. He's suspended for facing a possible lengthy suspension following a physical altercation with a man.

Yeah, he's only been an officer for about 18 months. Wow. So when he confronted Damon, he was like brand new. This is his first day. It was literally in his first three months is when he had a sword thrown at him and all that kind of shit. So on one hand, this is my job now. Can't get any worse, I guess.

That's whatever. But on the other hand, holy shit, how do you not quit? Right. I had a bad day today. I'm not doing... After five years, maybe you can take a day like that. But after three months? Shit, no.

I did not sign up for this. No. So, yeah, the police chief is going to impose this suspension here. It was due to conduct unbecoming of an officer. I guess he filed... He had a petition for a protective order fired filed against him it came from uh basically the the cop stremming came to this man's place of employment which was a mcdonald's yeah and uh verbally nothing wrong with that but it's hysterical

that's verbally and physically abused him he alleges that stremming uh called him curse words and grabbed him around the throat uh so the this has nothing to do with this is not a professional situation this was not a man who was wanted this was a personal beef really yeah that's why he just showed up because he showed up at mcdonald's went behind there snatched somebody away from the fucking fryer and choked him out and started fucking calling him names and cursing at him in the middle of the McDonald's. You put extra fries in my wife's bag and didn't charge her. Yeah. You're trying to fuck her.

Yeah. One of those things. There's a there's a problem here. So there's I guess there was a rumor that Collins that the other man had provoked him while who knows. But it doesn't matter because he's he ends up being suspended for this. Now, December 1999, this is a separate court date for Damon, the Bambino cat here. This is not the sword incident. This is for some other shit that he did before the sword incident.

This is for resisting law enforcement a different time. He's fined $125 and and given 125 in court costs for old damon one year suspended sentence and one year supervised probate probation oh that part's the bad part yeah and also uh this was also for a reckless driving charge that was dismissed they pled down here so that's that so it doesn't matter because he's still sitting in jail waiting for the other thing now april 5th 2000 he uh decides to plead guilty to the attempted murder thing uh for an obviously a lesser lesser charge he's 22 at this point or 21 uh he appears here changes his his uh plea to guilty to act attempted, which is a Class C felony. Attempted battery.

It was P battered. I think he battered the shit out of them. And then attempted to murder, I would say. Yeah. Wow. So the judge said they would take the plea into advisement when they have sentencing. That's how that works here. They said that he could be sentenced to eight years in the Department of Correction.

Four of those years would be served at a work release center, and the remaining four would be served on probation. So he wouldn't really go to prison, but he'd be in the system there. He's also going to be required to pay $3,340.30 for damaging the police car and holding cell. Wow. So he did that much damage to that. That's it. that's that's uh that's what's going on here so that's he's gonna get this all kind of squashed behind him uh so april 27th is sentencing for this deal uh he is sentenced this uh you sir may fuck off

he's sentenced to eight years in prison but he spends his time uh they're gonna give him the work release and the probation so it's not actual prison and uh yeah he's he's it's a attempted battery is which is hilarious like you said it seems like on a police officer on a police officer yeah that phrase is in there for sure right yeah that's no it's not even it's just just attempted battery it's just attempted battery uh attempted battery he's also got he's given credit for 95 days served. And he also now he has to pay $4,160.53 because I'm sure he's done more damage since then. So, yeah, they reduced that and all that. So that's how that goes.

Attempted battery. He ends up getting out of jail on December 14th, 2001. So just in time for the holidays. Look at that in 2001 uh and then uh that was that was for the last thing that was for this so okay this is how this all works he's coming out he's coming out after doing all of that he's coming to a post 9-11 world where police are fucking beloved oh it's much different yeah it's much different and they're yeah and he's gonna you can't attack people with samurai swords anymore.

People... Yeah, it's not okay. They will lose their shit. It's a different type of thing. So now, sometime over the next few years, he marries a woman. A woman marries him somehow. A woman named Monique marries him. Not Miss Indiana.

Not Miss Indiana. Not Melissa. They'll have an interesting relationship, which we'll discuss here. Damn it. They end up splitting up after a while they're officially married they break up but never actually get a divorce they're that couple oh they just they don't they're not together they're totally broken up but they just expensive they're like what is that a few hundred dollars like hey who's got that just keep my last name it's already on your license it's got that just lying it's fine so she just stays as Monique Cat.

Now, Cat also has a very amicable relationship with Monique. They get along just fine, not only with Monique, but her boyfriend as well. She has a new long-term boyfriend that she's had for a couple of years now. They all get together. Her ex-husband. Oh, yeah. They're all still has his last name. They're still all buddies and pals. Imagine hanging with your ex no fuck no and she's still got my name yeah

no this is this is this whole thing is weird it's not just like you know day a they're see each other at the grocery store how you doing they're hanging out they got kids they're making plans no no reason to do this no reason to ever see each other ever again. It's over. You never have to see each other again. But these two, they do. Now, so far, his entire criminal history here, he's got batteries. He's got attempted batteries.

He's got resisting and interfering with law enforcement. Tons of it. He's been arrested while on probation five times. Five different times being arrested on probation uh and uh he by the way the the cop thing the samurai sword incident he was on uh he was on pre-trial release after being charged with possession of methamphetamine and uh possession of meth paraphernalia so he was on pre-trial for that when he was arrested for attacking a cop. And he's also twice been dissatisfactorily discharged from probation.

I don't know what that means. We don't like him at all. Right. Seems like they keep him on probation more. We're tired of dealing with this fuck. I guess so. I think it was over, but they said he didn't do a good job, but he was in it the whole time.

Right. That was basically what it was. We kept him. It's a dishonorable discharge so uh he also had uh and had parole and community uh correction sentence revoked and he's been a fucking mess i don't know what would happen if he was black oh yeah well i think the night at the yeah see he wouldn't have lasted past the samurai sword incident probably now uh 2007 he's moved on uh not in terms of doing better in his life and shit like that but he found a new girlfriend anyway yeah his life is still a fucking disaster but he's got a

lady but he's got a lady a woman named allison wrench uh she they live together and uh you know been together for a while they're a couple they live together everything seems fine okay 2007 comes along so this is turning it around yeah this is no his life is love life his love life is turned around well he's never had a problem finding he had miss indiana yeah but he had freedom because oh yeah he's a piece of shit well he's in jail i mean what are they gonna do sit there and wait for him wait for that idiot so he can get out and fuck up again so now uh they're all they're together all through 2007 living together november 16th 2007 he has a fight with allison yeah all right which doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility it was very possible seems like this guy gets in a fight with a lot of people

seems like every day be surprised if i if they said they had a nice night watch some tv went to sleep you're like wow that's shocking no fights so he packed up his shit and moved out of the apartment oh it's that kind of fight take him a shit and i'm leaving uh-huh fuck you allison i ain't taking your shit no more tell it tell it to the backs of my my feet that's right i'm leaving i ain't taking it no more you never seen the bambino again no i'm gonna win me 2019's clown of of the Year Red Skelton Award, and I'm going to start me a new career, and you ain't invited to it. How's that now? So he has a fight, packs up his shit, moves out of the apartment.

Where do you think he goes? Think about it. Worst decision he could make. Where would he go? Mom's house. No, that would be what you would think. Cheap hotel. That's B.

Now the worst one. J the worst jail worse than that worse than that jimmy what what's the worst ex-wife's house boom there you go worst place he could go you should ever go where's that the ex-wife and her boyfriend's house that's where you see you're still thinking why would he go there i feel like even by the end of the episode i'm not going to get you to the point of thinking of worst decision you could but it's hard to get yourself in a mindset right yeah of that stupid so he goes to not just to hang out to stay there temporarily with all his shit can i stay with y'all i move in with y'all why sure come on in okay uh so that? What? Why, sure. Come on in. Okay. So that is with, it's Monique is his ex-wife and her boyfriend, Shea Fry.

Why is Shea going, yeah, come on by? I don't know. Shea's like, can we get him the fuck out of here? Like, it's one thing when he comes by, like, has a beer or something, but he's got all his stuff with him. How good does Monique fuck that you're going to put up with her letting her ex-husband stay? Man, he ain't got a sword with him or nothing, does he?

That's what I mean. How fucking, I don't know how friendly you could be unless they're all meth pals. That's another thing. I mean, drug people have different standards. Or maybe Shay really digs watching him fuck her. That's the thing. Yeah, they're like fucking hell's angels.

It's like, oh, it's fine. She's with her now. Hells indeed. It's so weird. This is so bad. This is creepy. Drug people have different standards for that kind of shit too so maybe that's it drug people will let weird people around

or despite their their shady dealings or their weird uh it's true uh not just relationships yeah just because of the drugs it's it's those people do it too that's the only fucking thing they need in common is the drugs we don't have this in common with most anybody but we do with this guy that's the thing yeah it's it's it's so fucking weird so they just hang out together it's funny it's either that or they're really mature yeah they're like they're like insanely healthy like that he's figured that part they all go to therapy twice a week and they figured out how to have a good, open, honest relationship, and they all like each other, and they figure out how to keep avenues of communication open between each other.

So they're either desperate, horrible meth heads, or very healthy, mature people. The rest of the world can learn from them. Who people can learn from. And really, a lot of his decisions are either really insane or super mature. Fucking brilliant. Very mature. One of the two. Or brilliant because we would have never done it.

Yeah, that's the other thing. That's how that works. So he goes to stay with Shea Fry and Monique Cat. There, he's hanging out with them. Later that night, Cat calls a friend of his named heather jackson a friend of hers a friend a friend of no no friend of mr cat a friend of damon okay okay damon cat okay oh no i'm sorry you're right monique cat this is confusing with the cat because the cat thing yes monique his ex-wife here not miss indiana monique gets a call from her friend heather jackson gets a call from her friend, Heather Jackson. Gets a call from Heather. A call from Heather later that night.

Okay. Now, Monique is told that Allison and Heather Jackson's boyfriend, Andrew Ricketts, are currently having sex right now. Uh-oh. Okay. So, now everybody, this is a hornet's nest here. You just put a spitball in a hornet's nest. So, Heather's boyfriend is fucking so heather's boyfriend heather's boyfriend

is fucking allison damon's girlfriend okay and damon had just moved out that night so that man's unstable that's a bad woman to be fucking that's what i mean this whole thing is fucking crazy but allison and him are broken up and she's kicked him out of the house right he left on involuntarily okay she can fuck who she wants it's not on her she can fuck whoever you want she took her shit current girl oh he took her shit and left so that's fine once he took his shit and left you you have no more claims on that that's fine but he's also insane yeah so i don't think she probably wanted to announce to him that this was happening tonight because he would do things like you know come to the house to confront her which he does and what the fuck heather what's

the worst decision well no he goes pissed at her ex-boyfriend. He goes and picks Heather up, and they go together to the fucking house. Oh, my God. Okay? The right answer here is go over to Heather's house, and you both grudge fuck each other. Yes. And then leave your jizz everywhere. Or drink and fucking piss.

Do whatever you got to do. Whatever it is. You don't get in the car and go, we're going to go fucking tell them. Oh, boy. That's what they do. They go to allison's apartment to confront her now cat way damon waits outside while heather and uh while heather and allison talk i assume not quietly and calmly good talk good talk they sat down they had some tea. It was a very they cleared the air. It was very, very helpful.

It was a really productive talk. So meanwhile, the only person that has a problem right now is Heather because she has the boyfriend. Yeah. The other two aren't together. Everybody's fine. So then Damon ends up coming in. The Bambino's here at that point. Now, while this is going on um he comes into the apartment there's another guy there who's not heather jackson's boyfriend right and just some other dude named chris lockhart

he's there hanging out and uh with with allison and he leaves the apartment when damon and allison start arguing they start arguing he's like all all right, this has been fun. This blows. This is bad. So this is bad. The whole fucking thing is awful. So it's at this point that Kat here, Damon, I should be more specific. Jesus Christ. Damon leaves the apartment and goes to a neighbor of just a downstairs apartment

banging on their door looking for the guy who just left, Chris Lockhart. Okay, I don't know why. Chris here? Yeah, after he was told that he's not there, I don't know what you're talking about, he then goes back up to Allison's apartment and starts arguing with her.

I think he just wanted to bring someone else into the argument. He's like, you know what? This is a good talk. Let's bring Chris into this. I feel like he could add to the argument. What's Chris say? Just in case. Also, if there's a cop, I'm going to need someone to hold in front of me like a human shield.

Yeah. You know how it works here. So, yeah, he goes back upstairs. They continue arguing. So it's at that point that Damon leaves her apartment, leaves her unharmed you know doesn't punch her whipping a sword or trying to back a car in or anything goes and this is now what's the best thing he could do right now um what's the thing that a normal person would do right now leave the apartment you're pissed off go home go home maybe what uh drink a beer maybe stop smoke some weed

there you go go vent he stops and grabs a 12-pack on the way home, and he's going to drink the fucking shit away. That first smart decision he's made in this entire episode. First thing he's ever done. Problem is, he even does that stupid, because he should have a few beers or however many beers he needs and then go to sleep. Instead, he just continues to drink throughout the night. Just stays awake drinking. he needs and then go to sleep instead he just continues to drink throughout the night just stays awake drinking no uh by 7 a.m uh he is still drinking yeah he's by the way he's just out wandering the streets drinking oh boy okay so by 7 a.m he finally comes back to his ex-wife's

house yeah to go to sleep in a santa suit eating a piece of salmon through his beard just picking fucking beard pieces off of it i love dan ackroyd the fucking eating the salmon so it's my favorite thing ever him standing in the rain with the gun to his head is my favorite favorite freeze frame of any movie ever he's just like of course it doesn't work can't even do that why would it why would it work why the fuck would this work so he's a mess man this this fucking whole thing is a disaster but now imagine that too you're shea fry and now it's 7 a.m. You have your drunken girlfriend's ex sort of husband.

Current husband. Legally. Banging on the door to come in to pass out and sleep off as drunk at 7 a.m. How did my life come to this? How is it I've come to arrive here? Which one's more depressing? Which side of that door is the most depressing side? That's the thing.

I don't know. I'd say Shay's side. Because Shay doesn't even sound like he's fine. Or very mature. Very mature, Jimmy. You never know. Which side of that door is more depressing? Very mature.

Yeah, so he goes to bed. He passes out at 7 o'clock. He sleeps and wakes up around 1 o'clock okay so he gets about four or five hours of sleep about 1 30 a.m uh or 1 30 p.m i'm sorry uh damon receives a call uh from uh from ricketts heather's boyfriend heather jackson's boyfriend andrew ricketts okay he tells him uh jesus christ i don't know why i don't know why he would he would do this okay so he calls him to rub it in yeah okay he calls him to rub it in and he does it in a really weird way he calls him at 1 30 so he wakes him up right from a drunken pass out hey afternoon to tell him that uh uh that he by the way i'm i'm the guy who you heard

was fucking your girlfriend right but right i'm also pissed because i heard or i did not i heard i saw allison blowing lockhart in in her truck what's that have to do with me motherfucker okay and that's fine yeah that's okay she can do whatever she wants but the thing is that now the this guy's calling him to commiserate about it yeah dude i have like white trash birds flying around my head right now pocket robins just spinning i feel like i've been punched to the face they're just pigeons though i feel like yeah i feel like i've been hit with like a like a coyote mallet like right in the face. They're just pigeons, though. I feel like I've been hit with a coyote mallet right in the forehead. And I'm like, what's happening? So he's mad, too.

He's mad at Allison, too. He's mad at Allison, but Kat. I thought she was leaving you for me. Turns out she's leaving both of us. So Kat, rather than getting mad, gets mad at rickets for telling him about it how dare he gets mad threatens rickets says well i'll kick your fucking ass so so that this is how ridiculous right this is the most ridiculous cauldron of one of the most crazy trashy situations we've ever encountered am i right or wrong yeah this is bonkers man she. She's an angel, though. I love her so much.

So, now, he hangs up the phone, threatens Ricketts, fuck you, buddy, hangs up the phone, and then just begins pacing around the house. Now, that Shay Fry, who's his ex-current whatever wife's boyfriend, whose house they're in, he's just sitting there watching this guy now pacing back and forth across the living room telling Fry that he's pissed so i'm fucking pissed man i'm pissed and he's like why is he in the house again what is happening i'm telling you that side of the door is the most depressing it has to be has to be there's something he's just gotta be going where

there's something off about him right wrong what i do who Who did I do it to? How did I end up here? Who did I hurt? He spends about 30 minutes pacing around the house. That's a lot of pacing. The level of angry you have to be. You pace shit off in like five minutes. Right. You know what I mean?

Just motherfucker, son of a bitch. And eventually you look at your phone or you do this. Or you got some shit to do. You know what I mean? Or you go over here, you get hungry or thirsty, you have to take a piss. Right. You give up on it. Yeah.

To pace steadily for 30 minutes is just seething, bubbling rage. So he spends 30 minutes pacing around the house. Then what'd he do? Then, what's the worst decision he could make? Go to his house.

Go looking for Lockhart. Yeah, the guy who was getting blown. Right. Not the Ricketts guy who gave him the phone his house. Go looking for Lockhart. Yeah, the guy who was getting blown. Not the Ricketts guy who gave him the phone call. He's pissed at Lockhart. He's still pissed at the last guy. The guy who he went to look for him in the apartment and all that. So he's mad at Ricketts for telling him about it,

but he's madder at Lockhart for getting blown. Well, he's got to be mad at him. How dare you get blown? He's going to be pissed at him, too, because he showed up, he saw them fighting, and then he left. Then up he saw them fighting and then he left then he came back to get blown yeah then he came back to get blown so yeah this so jesus christ that's why he's mad so about 20 or 30 minutes later after he's paced for another 30 he's paced for 30 minutes and then another 30 minutes go by so lots of time to be like fuck them let's get some neat like

there's a lot of time oh Oh, the game's on. Plenty of time to find distractions here. Instead, Damon and Fry now, now he's involved Shea Fry. This is his wife's boyfriend. Yeah. Now he's involved in this. So they leave the house together

to go looking for Lockhart. Why does Fry accept? So now he's going to go help his girlfriend's current sort of ex-husband go beat the shit out of a guy because he was getting a blowjob from this guy's girlfriend. Yeah, but if Shay helps him and facilitates him getting him there, maybe he beats the shit out of him. The cops show up. He's arrested.

Maybe. That's the thing. My life is free. Or you get arrested, too. Oh, God damn it. And you get taken to jail with this guy even think they're going together not me too i didn't do anything did we find someone dumber than cat in the story with fry that's what she's doing holy he's facilitating and hoping it gets

rid of him i think he's like if i just give him what he wants maybe he'll go away i mean he's got to be a real easygoing cat at this point he's got to be the nicest person in the story so far he's got to be a real easygoing guy guy. He's the greatest. He's like in Stevie, in the Stevie documentary. He's the sister Brenda's husband. Who's like, I know he molested my wife when he was a kid and I know he'll still punch her in the face sometimes and he's dangerous, but

I just treat him nice. I let him come over and just hang out with him. I see him as the guy he goes fishing with and the guy that just goes, I see that shit. There's only two people who know. Only two people know. I ain't one of them.

I ain't one of them. That's what he says. I ain't one of them. Which, honestly, if more people had that- That's a great way to live by. Not with child molesters, but with other things. If more people said, only two people know the answer to that, I ain't one of them. Guess what?

World's a better place. Mind your own fucking business. It's a genius way to live remember fucking our remember our presidential campaign for 2020 yeah it is uh don't ask me shit don't tell me about shit i don't want to fucking hear it don't ask me shit don't tell me shit not interested keep it to yourself petrogallo wisman 2020 keep it to yourself everybody shut the fuck up thank you have a good one good god i want to be on the debate stage your business is your business goodbye i would love to stick us in a presidential debate oh horse shit are you fucking hearing this guy

he's so full of shit you should smell his fucking cologne i can barely smell the shit over how strong his cologne is that's how fucking disgusting this man is that's not his real hair next it's not i'm fucking looking at it not a goddamn one of them anybody up here no that streak has died in her hair or either none of them it's not against him i don't give a fuck her hair is dyed like that cat in the parents oh yeah that's wash your hair i guarantee come on it's gonna come all out it's gonna be fine it's a temporary that's probably jizz so they go to allison's apartment yeah okay uh worst decision you could make uh damon goes into the apartment. I assume he still has a key because he lived there.

So I assume he can go in and out at will probably. I assume he didn't go, here's my key. I've left an affidavit. Giving up all rights to the establishment. All rights to the property. Here's the affidavit and he's like, who's he? What the fuck's going on here? God damn it.

So he goes into the apartment. It's about 2.30 p.m. So this is an hour after the initial phone call. Oh my God, the sun's up. Yeah. Oh, it's the middle of the afternoon. Christ. It is literally the middle of the afternoon. There's children playing wiffle ball.

This is ridiculous. At minimum, just got home from school. This is, yeah, it's silly. So around 2.30, after Damon had gone into the apartment, a neighbor hears an argument coming from somewhere, looks outside to see Allison standing next to her car crying. Crying, you know, Damon is heard walking away saying, quote, I didn't touch you, Allison, or I didn't touch you, Allison, more likely. I didn't touch you, Allison. more likely so i didn't touch you allison uh so at that point they said that cat uh damon had taken her truck keys and cell phone okay so she can't go anywhere or call anybody which is a very

telling move here of the controlling first of all the controlling this if you moved out and you still want to control who she fucks which is crazy to begin with or any fucking thing she does you want to control her communication and physical movement is a completely different thing this is this is a little tighter on the noose here this is crazy uh so she called the police from had somebody else call the police and they came to her apartment and uh he was gone by then and the cops gave her some tips on how to secure her front door thanks guys that's what they did thanks guys no, no. My keys and my phone. They said, yeah, he's got those. He said, they said, yeah, you might want to change the lock probably or something like

that. But yeah, have a good one. So maybe put a chair in front of that. Yeah. I mean, if you come in the back door, I've seen in a movie once, if you prop it at like a 45 degree angle with the back right under the knob, you can't get in. Leverage. It don't turn.

That's how it's weird i don't know how it works it's physics i don't know shit i'm a cop you got a sliding back door if you take like a a chair leg and then you break it off that's what you do you can jam that in there so the door doesn't open basically um you ever hear them commercials for that simplest safe uh it's all just chairs you can sure damn damn use them. They talk about video monitoring and everything, but it's just chairs. They just stick legs in chairs and things. You know how it goes there.

You know. No, SimpliSafe's a wonderful product. You should certainly give them a call. Maybe he won't get in here. Yeah. So they say, here's some tips on how to secure your front door. Unbelievable.

Have a good one. Right. That's it. That's what it is. So they leave. She's stuck in her house. I assume fearful. Probably.

Why not? So Damon returns back to Monique's house, to his wife's house there, his ex-wife. But he gets there, but he parks his car at a nearby house. He doesn't park in front of the house. He parks down the street in case the cops are looking for him because he knows that he took her phone and keys and just did some crazy shit. Now he gets back in the house. And what does he do? He begins pacing again.

Now he's super pissed again. He's a walking sumbitch. He paces around the house. They said in the house, on the front porch, in and out, up and down. Pace, pace, pace, pace, pace. Finally turns to Monique and says, I'm going to kill her. That's it. It's like, I'm your ex.

What are you telling me this for? Get out of my house. why did i even divorce you what's the point you're still here you're still here jesus she's like well you're gonna leave though right to do that so is this gonna leave well then he goes to shay and he says you got a knife don't bring me in what and he's like so Cat ends up, Damon ends up going into Fry's toolbox and taking a utility knife from there. Box cutter. Steals a box cutter from the toolbox. Then Fry fucking Shay goes with Cat to CVS, takes him to CVS, and they buy cigarettes, lighter fluid, and Sudafed, which is the breakfast of champions there. That's very nice. Cigarettes, lighter lighter fluid and Sudafed, which is the breakfast of champions

there. That's very nice. Cigarettes, lighter fluid and Sudafed. Gets you right in the mood. Wow. Yeah. So they buy that. They're all there now about 318 p.m.

This is less than two hours. He's been awake for an hour and a half. I was going to say two hours ago he was asleep, sleeping off a drunk. Okay. He decided on murder. Yeah pseudothet and suit and pseudothet he calls a woman named amber van vliet okay a lot of vans in this area okay so he calls amber van vliet who lives in the apartment complex that allison lives in and which he lived in very recent up until fucking i I don't know that day, 24 hours ago,

she, he calls Amber to say, to ask, to see if Allison's home. Will you look and see if Allison's home? Okay. So afterwards, I guess she was home. Uh,

cat Damon, uh, returns to Allison's apartment again. And, uh, and Damon tells Shay fry to drive because they're driving in cat's car. Shay just went with him for the ride. They get to the house to Allison's apartment and Kat gets out and tells Shay, take my car

back to Monique's house. Just leave me here with no car. I'll be all right. I'll be fine. I'll get through it. That's not good. Yeah. Now, Van Vliet, who had talked to him on the phone, the neighbor and other tenants saw

Kat walking toward Allison's's apartment people saw him pull up and get out so shortly after this amber van vliet the neighbor hears allison scream okay so amber runs up to her apartment uh which is a pretty brave move i would say you know it's pretty ballsy good for her so uh this amber van vliet sees uh sees Allison lying in the hallway with her hands around her throat. Oh, no. Gasping for air. Oh, my God. So she sees she's in physical trouble.

So Van Vliet runs in the apartment to check on Allison. And when she does, she sees Damon standing in the bathroom, which I would be, I don't know, terrifying. I would say it would be the best fucking way to describe that. Can you think of a better word for it than terrifying? Absolutely fucking terrifying. Look around the face and say, I'm sorry, bitch, I gotta run. There he is. Yeah, I gotta go. Fuck.

So then, Jesus Christ, man, he sees that. So Van Vliet then sees Damon walk out of the bedroom, covered in blood here, or the bedroom covered in blood or bathroom covered in blood and heard him say, quote, call the cops. I killed the bitch. Oh, boy. That's what he says. That's his. That's his whatever.

So I'm not going to attack Van Vliet. Apparently not. He's not mad at her. She's the one person. She's the one person he's not mad at in this story. Everyone around him. And Shay. Shay's his pal. Right. The guy who's banging his wife is fine everyone else is an asshole so this amber van vliet told uh told damon that the police were coming already and that he should leave just

to get him the fuck away because you know you don't want the guy who's a who knows he's got nothing to lose at this point he might start hacking you up i'm terrified the cops are coming you should get out of here. That's what he says. But instead, Damon told her to get out of here. He said, no, you get the fuck out of here. Okay. Now, Melissa is still gasping for air on the ground here. She's still trying, fighting for her life.

Now, she leaves the apartment, and she's pretty sure that from what's gone on, other neighbors seeing that someone's called the police. That's why she said that. But she's going to make sure and call on her own, too. Now, she turns around as she's walking out of the apartment. She turns around to see Damon pick Allison up off the floor by her neck and carry her into the bedroom. Oh, God, Jesus. This is fucking horrible.

Oh, God, Jesus. This is fucking horrible. And then when she came back a short time later, she said that she saw that he had, quote, this is from Amber, quote, he had blood all over his hands and all over his sleeves. And he said, call the cops. I killed the bitch. She's dead. And then he walked out. That's what she said.

So that was it. So she ran over to Allison. She said that Allison was still breathing, but was gurgling and choking on her own blood. And there was a bloody knife on the floor right above Allison's head. Here, the knife he used, this is what's fucked up, too. The knife he used to kill her was not the utility knife he got from the toolbox. He switched knives during the attack. He started with the utility knife, and it still wasn't getting the job done as quickly as he wanted it to.

You know, shorter blade. So he went to the kitchen? Shit like that. So he went to the kitchen in the middle of this to get a better knife. Wow. To, you know, you really want to hack away at it. Yeah. You know, that sort of thing.

And got a large kitchen knife, a big butcher knife, and then he came in and that's how he killed her was with that this is more efficient you know he's very efficient if nothing else cold motherfucker oh he's cold as shit i call the cops i killed the bitch it's pretty fucking cold uh so he then walked out of her apartment well now this the van vliet is trying to help her while she's gurgling and fighting for her life. He just walks out of the apartment, stands out on the landing, you know, out in front of the apartment there, and smokes a cigarette. Just casual as can be, covered in blood, smoking a cigarette. Neighbors run over, see him, say, what happened? And he goes, I killed her.

Oh, boy. He's just telling them, yep, killed her, smoking a cigarette like nothing happened. They're like, what happened? Why are you covered in blood? I killed her. That's why. Fucking, what do you think of that, pal? Oh, boy., smoking a cigarette like nothing happened. They're like, what happened? Why are you covered in blood? I killed her. That's why. Fucking, what do you think of that, pal? Oh, boy.

Just smoking, okay? The police arrived, and an officer approaches Kat with, carefully, obviously, not only has he just murdered a person, but he's also known to fight with police a little bit. He's not a fan of those. Today, though, he's not in the mood to fight. He puts his hands up in the air and goes, it's me. That's what he said. It's me. I'm the guy you're looking for right here like you're covered in blood asshole you were

the probable first guy we were gonna look for but you know we're certainly gonna ask thanks yeah did you happen to high five him a lot a lot and hug him chest bump him were you guys on the same team and did he hit a home run is what i'm asking because i feel like a lot of celebration went on wow uh so he, it's me. Come on. Just take me in. He doesn't give a fuck. He did what he wanted to do.

The ambulance arrives. And at that point, Allison is no longer breathing and does not have a pulse. They try to resuscitate her on the way to the hospital. But she is pronounced dead at the emergency room. So poor. She's 21. Oh, Jesus. 21 fucking years old, which is insane. He's what? 27. Something like that. She's 21. Oh, Jesus. 21 fucking years old, which is insane.

How old is he? He's what? Twenty seven. Something like that. Yeah. Twenty one. Jerk off. That's crazy.

The emergency room doctor concluded that she bled to death as a result of neck wounds. Yeah. That's what happened there. They do an autopsy. So the autopsy reveals some very vicious details of what happened when he took her into that bedroom and by her throat. This is fucking terrible. He forced the knife completely through her neck. Completely through.

That's how forceful he was. He was mad. He was fucking mad. Yeah. Severing her carotid artery, jugular vein, esophagus, and windpipe. And windpipe. That at all. God. I mean is i mean this is like side to side yeah this is a vicious vicious vicious attack uh in addition uh the autopsy revealed saw marks on her vertebrae, revealing that he had repeatedly thrust the knife into the wound, all the way down to her fucking vertebrae.

This is like an OJ Simpson attack. Literally, that's the same. Same way. Nicole Brown had that. This is like that, except he did this more than OJ did it. OJ was just stronger. Yeah. It was the only thing.

So that's it. So that's what we're fucking talking about here. This the type of vicious fucking attack only attacked her neck he attacked her neck he wanted he was destroying her he was destroying her yeah he was destroying her he choked her he brought her in there that's what he does now uh uh jesus christ he repeatedly did this after the attack he left her still alive and bleeding to death basically with no remorse at all went outside smoked a cigarette didn't give a shit about it a couple days later he made statements to the police he uh made two separate taped statements to the police in neither statement would he actually

confess to the murders or provide significant details why not you already said it on the porch well he it's it's funny he starts he he says like well i could have i mean it might have happened he starts doing shit like that then he starts going i mean you might want to look at shea fry i mean maybe he had so he starts trying to maybe put the blame on him instead like maybe you got the wrong guy maybe shea fry came over and did that i mean shit it was his utility knife that was there he starts doing shit like that wow uh where they're like no yeah you know you're the one saying you wanted to kill her constantly remember when you It was his utility knife that was there. He starts doing shit like that. Wow. Where they're like, no. Yeah.

You know, you're the one saying you wanted to kill her constantly. Remember when you were covered in blood? Remember that? Remember all the pacing? Remember people watching you take her into the fucking room and fucking butcher her like an animal? This is disgusting. So November 27, 2007, they charged him with murder in the trial.

Now the trial comes up here. First of all, he submits. He wants instructions regarding voluntary manslaughter and the definition of sudden heat. So he wants to say crime of passion. He's trying to go for voluntary manslaughter. Snapped just the fucking the jizz bubbled up in my head enough to where it set me off. So, yeah, the court. Jesus Christ.

It's fucking silly here. The voluntary manslaughter obviously is a lesser included offense on the whole thing. The only distinguishing element is that voluntary manslaughter includes the mitigating factor of sudden heat. It's a snapping thing. No premeditation. No whatever. factor of sudden heat it's a snapping thing no premeditation no whatever uh they said an instruction on voluntary manslaughter is supported if there if there exists evidence of sufficient provocation to induce passion that renders a reasonable person incapable of cool reflection if you walked in and saw somebody molesting your child and you went over and fucking ripped their head from their shoulders.

That's reasonable. I'll do the time. But that's reasonable. That's considered voluntary manslaughter. That's reasonable. A reasonable person would have snapped and done that. It seems normal. He didn't even see her blowing somebody.

That's the thing. That's the difference. And you paced it out of yourself. That's the thing. He had cool down time. He came, left, came back. That's cool-down time. All of this is cool-down time that would not be sudden heat.

So, yeah, they said, and the court decides, under these circumstances, a reasonable person would have had several opportunities to cool down and reflect upon his actions. The two periods spent pacing Monique's house, the spent looking for lockhart which was stupid the period between the initial trip to allison's apartment in the second trip to her apartment the trip to the drugstore the period spent walking in the kitchen to find the knife the period between the two attacks on the on allison the apartment when amber entered the apartment and told him that the police were on the way he basically had 10 different opportunities to stop this whole shit and just said nope gonna make it worse what's the worst decision i could make yeah hmm right oh this is mature yeah so uh yeah they said if a sufficient cooling off period

elapsed between the provocation and the homicide the claim of sudden heat is negated and uh yeah he he points to evidence that says he remained angry through the entire period between the phone call and the killing which is true he did remain angry but that's not okay that's not reasonable it doesn't justify fucking murder that means you're a psychopath right a reasonable person would have been at least calm enough to not kill somebody by then they might have still been pissed right they might have sat there going to fucking asshole fucking bitch but they wouldn't kill her regular human emotions that's what that says to me which is a problem that's a fucking problem it's dangerous yeah so society and they

even said the question is not whether the defendant actually cooled off but whether an ordinary person would have cooled off under the circumstances and that's yes and he't. So the trial was held in May of 2008. It's a week long trial here during the trial. First of all, Katz counsel objects to the admission of an autopsy photo depicting an internal blunt force injury to Allison's head. It's a very graphic picture. It's a photo that shows skull with the skin pulled away to reveal bruising underneath the skin it's a for medical purposes for records here uh damon here he argues that the photo was prejudicial because it was unduly gruesome and because the ad injury was not the cause of death normally we just see an autop we just see like a crime scene photo and we go hey fuck you you did it pal but he's saying i didn't

take her peel her skin back over her head that That makes it look worse. It makes it look like I did that. This has got a point. Which is kind of a decent point, honestly, if I'm being just whatever from a legal standpoint. Now, the physician who conducted the autopsy, though, he testifies that the photo, in relation to the photo, that the bruise was caused by blunt force trauma, such as being punched or hit with a solid object. blunt force trauma such as being punched or hit with a solid object and he also testified that it's usual practice in performing an autopsy to look beneath the skin to determine the extent of injuries from blunt force trauma so they're trying to say he beat her and then fucking did it so it makes it worse just so there's proof of the initial attack to try to you know incapacitate her uh so they said the yeah the the uh the he testified about the procedure and its necessity

in determining the full extent and uh the state presented other photos of the injury also and uh yeah they said the blunt force trauma here was not the cause of death so that's that's where it's a sticking point here uh he argues that the fact that uh that this fact reduces the photo's relevance and will show unfair prejudice, and the court admitted the photo anyway. So go fuck yourself. You did enough. It's good.

You came out covered in blood. We'll remind him you didn't open it up. Yeah, hey, you know what? He didn't do that part. Right, right. Let's show him pictures of her neck now. See the vertebrae with fucking scratch marks on it? That he did.

He did that. He did that, which is fucking hard. He didn't scalp her. That was medically done so you could see the bones. That he did. He did that. He did that, which is fucking hard. He didn't scalp or nothing. That was medically done so you could see the bones. But look at these bones, too. He opened these bones. Hard.

He wanted you to see these bones. Yeah. At the close of the state's evidence and the close of his defense, he argued again for the, not him, but his attorney. He couldn't argue. He was way out of a fucking paper bag.

He couldn't argue with a girlfriend who was blowing a guy without killing her. So never mind arguing. He argues. He can argue his way back into his ex-wife's house, which is fucking. Apparently. So she must be the most understanding lady of all time. So he says, argues for the inclusion of the manslaughter instructions.

But the trial court refused to give the instructions finding a lack of serious evidentiary dispute regarding the presence of sudden heat so it's just murder or nothing asshole uh the verdict comes in and uh about all this shit here uh they they find him guilty obviously it's pretty fucking clear on this one they find it but you never know after still water and been through a couple we've been through some weird ones here uh now uh following that they do his sentencing and they talk about his criminal history and he's violated the conditions of free trial release for others out now he could be your neighbor merry christmas have a good one is that good you want that you want to invite him over you want to knock and have him singing

fucking go hark the herald Angel sings on your fucking doorstep. Is that what you want? Glory to the newborn king. I don't think that's what you want. I don't think it is. No. Jesus Christ. Just sitting out there with a candle.

Big smile on his face. Jesus Christ. They also heard testimony from family members of his expressing their belief that he does feel remorse. They say he feels remorse. He also argued that he expressed remorse in his tape statements to police where he never admitted it and tried to blame another guy for it. So that didn't go over. They said in his audio tape statements that they showed to the jury, he tried to shift some of the blame for the killing on to fry because he dropped him off over there and, you know, they used his knife. So he even argues that if the provocation didn't rise to the level of sudden heat sufficient

to warrant voluntary manslaughter, it was at least enough to merit consideration as a mitigating factor. Like, hey, I was pissed, man. Come on. Come on. Hey, you know, you get pissed, right? You get pissed. you get pissed you almost cut a woman's head off you know that works right that happens all the time i hope

shea has learned a valuable lesson in i don't know maybe fucking ask a question from ask a question at minimum ask the phrase you serious clark you know what i mean do you want me to drop you off here with a knife to argue with your ex-girlfriend what are you gonna do you don't need a ride home shea i hope you've learned the question of why. Why? And ask that fucking a lot. And also, if you go out with a woman and her ex-husband comes over and hangs out all the time, find another chick.

It's a weird situation. At minimum, ask why. Why? Why? Why? I get that you're very mature. Fucking why? He's very mature, Jimmy.

He's very mature. mature i guess he's very he's very mature jimmy he's very mature so uh yeah the only provocation the court finds that cat points to is the phone call from ricketts telling uh that he'd seen allison and lockhart you know in oral sex in the car here jesus christ the reason i say that is just because there have been countless times that i've said i'm gonna go do this and you just go why why i do that to you all the time you're right i'm not i do that so said, I'm going to go do this, and you just go, why? Why? I do that to you all the time. You're right. I'm not. I do that so often. I think I want to go do this.

I'm a huge why guy. Everything. Why am I doing it? Why? Why would I do that? Even if it sounds weird, I'm like, wait, why? Yeah, you're right. I'm not going to do that. Yeah.

That happens a lot. Where you'll go, I don't know. You know what? I don't know. Maybe that is stupid. Yeah. You go, maybe that is stupid. Maybe I'll stay

home that night that's my favorite quality about you jimmy if i could praise you for it's a holiday season i'm gonna give jimmy a praise here nobody that i know is more willing to go yeah i don't know what i'm talking about or say they were wrong or just take whatever on the chin of their own shit than jimmy wismman and that is a fucking glorious quality to have in a friend especially a comedy friend that you know they can do something you go you know that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard and they go oh yeah that was really wow that was stupid and then make fun of himself and then we can talk about it for 20 minutes that's a friend right there that's good shit not what are you talking about it's fucking

what i do is great no i'll never defend i love it that's it's fucking amazing it's fucking what i do is great no i'll never defend me i love it that's it's fucking amazing it's amazing it really is i hope that's rubbed off on me because i want that quality for myself as well i love the question why it changes my whole day i think james i got this fucking amazing weekend plan i'm gonna go do this and this and this why why and then what else that sounds terrible i'll go why that sounds terrible and he goes yeah i'm not gonna do that i don't know yeah you're right you just saved me probably five hundred dollars i'm gonna stay home a bunch of money aggravation yeah you know what never mind fucking watch the game i'm gonna try to make a memory with my kiddos and you know what

we can make better ones here playoffs are on whatever let's do this so uh we live in the eighth largest market in america why am i leaving i'm not going anywhere Playoffs are on. Whatever. Let's do this. We live in the eighth largest market in America. Why am I leaving? I'm not going anywhere. Stay right here. Why would I do that? That just means there's a lot of people out there. It's got a fucking drive.

All out there to annoy me. I'm not going to do that. So the trial court finds zero mitigating circumstances for him. The judge says, as a matter of fact, quote, I've considered all of the various possible mitigators and I'm finding no basis for mitigation. You, sir, may fuck off. They sentence him, quote, to the presumptive sentence of 55 years plus an additional sentence of eight years for aggravating circumstances for a total of 63 years of incarceration. So it's a pretty good set. Is that enough?

We'll find out when as early as possible. That doesn't sound sound like enough i feel like this guy should never be out yeah he's unstable at best what do they get fucking how far do you gotta go in indiana so on his appeal uh you know he's he's saying that the court abused its discretion in sentencing him because it failed to find several mitigating circumstances these blind blind motherfuckers, how dare they? So they look over it. They say the court found as aggravating circumstances, his criminal history, repeated violation of work release and probation, and his succession of battery cases, quote, escalating level of aggressive and violent behavior.

So all these things. He knows him. Doesn't he look in the mirror and just go i'm not gonna die for this mess yeah i'm super lucky i'm the luckiest man alive i could get out someday right wow isn't that crazy i'm terrified of that they're gonna let me on the streets weird right it's strange uh he talks about they they erred to not find the following mitigating circumstances his remorse even though he showed none uh his immediate surrender to police and subsequent cooperation with the investigation where he

tried to blame another guy right he walked outside covered in blood smoked a cigarette and waited for the cops and didn't and didn't throw a sword at them that's not something to commend him for i didn't drive a car on anybody so clearly i didn't do it yeah i didn't try to kill the cops i didn't use a fucking beauty queen as a as a human shield he says oh and that he was provoked into committing murder he said provoked into it uh yeah they said that he didn't testify or make a statement at his sentencing even uh saying expressing any he didn't even make a sentencing statement saying i'm sorry didn't even do that so they said we have no way of knowing he has any remorse because he hasn't

said anything to the court. So there's none of that. There's no direct evidence that Allison did anything to provoke him at all. Damon was the one that broke up with her and moved out. That was on him. They argued, but there's no evidence that she threatened him or tried to harm him or physically.

He was in danger, obviously. Nothing like that. She didn't look you in the eye while blowing another voodoo. No, that's the other thing. There isn't even any evidence that he saw her with somebody else that would make him snap or anything like that. He also he also he argues that he was provoked by a telephone call, which is who the fuck even knows if that even happened. So they say, no, you're good with 63 years. Enjoy.

Sit tight, asshole. So instead, that's where he is. enjoy sit tight asshole yeah so instead that's where he is his earliest possible release date here is uh is may 16th 2039 that's too soon it's still too soon but it's that's like half his time that's like 31 and change so that would be that's not near enough half his time and half of the 63 years i hope he uh hurt somebody in prison i hope they keep him there yeah keep him like a prisoner like a bad prisoner. Yeah. Somebody worse than him.

Yeah. Like a child molester. Right. Yeah. That's fine. And then he gets longer. Yeah. And then he gets longer.

Yeah. I hope that happens. Or even he's, I hope he's falsely accused of doing something and gets in there longer. That way no one has to get hurt and he's still in there. And he stays longer. That's better. Okay. Anything that keeps him longer.

I want that to happen. Keep him longer. Poor Allison here. Allison Jane Rinch is. I want that to happen. Keep him longer. Poor Allison here. Allison Jane Rinch is she obviously died in 2007, 21 years old, just turned 21 a month before that, which is crazy. She is buried in the Bethel Cemetery in Freelandville, Indiana there. So that's where she is. And he remains in prison like an asshole where he fucking belongs

so that is the town of vincennes indiana uh and a crazy ass case of a panhandle samurai warrior that's certainly one of the scummiest murders that we've had it's one of the more panhandling murders like that this when we say panhandle behavior this is what we're talking about here just inexplicable inexplicable inexplicable see he doesn't mind you can correct him right away inexplicable crazy this is not necessary needed no one provoked him and anything he did i mean going back 10 years before that with the samurai sword and shit oh my god and even going 10 years before that he was on the right track to be a success story with 17 months of in the home run oh god jesus more anti-drug training than fucking than it takes to graduate from law school you know in terms of law classes it's ridiculous

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holiday edition, a nice holiday edition of the shout outs a big thank you imagine jingling bells going on in the background but i'm way too lazy to edit them in so let's do this jimmy hit me with that list like a samurai sword like a javelin please this week's executive producers are tanya volanek again uh jacob bender or yeah bender uh keisha newton or kecia newton i think it's on a Bender. Keisha Newton, or Keisha Newton? I think it's Keisha. Keisha?

Brian Butcher, or Butcher. Barbara Howells, or Howell? No, it's Howells. That's definitely right. Or Howells. I was going to say, Howells? Yeah. Possibly.

I could do, they could. Let's do it, Jimmy. I'm ruining it. I'm going to help you with these names. I apologize. Jared Durkee. Chrissy Ann Costaldi. Chrissy Ann!

Hey, thank you. It's a pleasure to see you in Boston. Thank you. Pleasure to see you in Boston. Steven Root again. Sarah Marovec. Oh, Shanna Marovec. Moravec. God damn it. Dereese Plummer. Jordan Bennett again. And Jennifer O'Connell.

You guys really, thank you so much for everything that you do for us. It's insanely appreciated. The rest of our producers this week are Curtis Osborne, Thomas Smith, Ronnie Kumar, Andy Conway, Ashley Veo, Chelsea Hanson, Shand... What is that? Oh, good grief.

It's SH4N1AC. Is that Shaniac? Sure. They're doing it with numbers? I'm not sure. Yes. I'm dumb. Like a rapper.

Right. Like a SoundCloud rapper. Like a rapper who's going to get shot soon. SoundCloud rapper Shaniac. SoundCloud rapper Shaniac. Carol Braun, Kimberly Allen, Cormac Montag, Robin Anderson donated two times through PayPal. Thank you so much. Mark Schaefer, Jennifer King, Ben Cartilage is a, I don't know if I'm supposed to say it.

He does things for MMA, like the big stuff. Cool. He's a ref. Oh, cool. And he's refed some unbelievable fucking fights and like famous ones. Yeah.

That are happening to, like he does it frequently now. Nice. And he's been with us all year. That's a cool job. unbelievable pictures of these things. Shit badass, brother. So thanks, Ben, for being around all year.

Thank you. Andrea Calkins, Jessica Harris, Peyton Meadows, Susanna Platt, Jamie Dye, Holly Welsh, Lizon Cabioc, or I think that's right, Lisan Cabioc, or she donated twice. Or he. I don't know. Why are we judging? Jessicaica christian catherine johnston uh asamon no adjom asamon dady uh dot yay wow he's that can't be right probably not sean mcdowell mcbrenner mcdenner what did i write there Oh, it's Sean M. Brenner. That's what that is.

There we go. Austin McLeod, Amy Spicer, Andrea Webster, Catherine Johnston. I think I said that. The Happy Birthday group, the birthday card group. Oh, yeah, you guys are awesome. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. They pulled some money and sent us a Christmas donation.

That was sweet. Thank you. Joshua Buchanan, Jasmine Trogman, Dylan Leos uh jesse hartman sharon harvey miranda stall uh trey vulcan are uh sheila no sheila she shellia garcia james bolton one of those michelle colsi colsi oler cosiolic burkett that's right linda mckinnon god damn it mark arian mark arian uh swathy what at Mark Ryan. Mark Ryan. Swothy. What the fuck? Swothy Jay Shanker, I think. Wow. Probably not.

Miranda Striel. Melanie Guzman. I think that's right. Kelly Golodal. No. Lisa Ramos. Shelly Crowell. Lee Rose Hobbs.

Jesse Herrera. Ann Cook. Morgan Eberle. Tenniel, I think, Juan Partita, Luke Evans, Rachel Lanneman, Katie Heishman, Sarah T., Matt Kerr. Fuck, I'm doing terrible this week. Renee, with no last name, Chris Reisenbach, Chrissy C.,ily uh eckdahl uh katherine why why lachowski i think natalie bland amanda miller bg marty moo dog bear no i don't know what that is jacklyn oughts amy

amy cool man amy schuer uh penny keir sheila garcia rivera uh austin austin Robeson, Caitlin Wurtz, Amanda Moorer, Heather Norton, Talena Jensen, Justin Jeffries, Jake Haslam, Stephen Perry, Jen Bass or Bass, Josh Dubs, Sarah with no last name, Brad Peters, Tuba Ahmed, Bacon Bits the Cat. That's interesting. Thanks, Bacon. I appreciate it. Wesley Harvey or Harney? I think it's Harney i think so aj at uh the great good i think that's a podcast i don't i don't know uh aj though marie thompson penny pelkey uh lauren perry megan dyer nw no that's nina not nwa that is definitely Nina. Jesus Christ. That's absurd.

Porter Phillips, Sabrina Crawford, Marty's birthday from his girlfriend in Australia. Awesome. She didn't give me her name or his last name. Well, it's your birthday, Marty. Every Marty in Australia whose birthday is this week, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Martys. And then Brady Davis turned 16. I don't know where he's at or when his

birthday is but happy birthday and you guys really just the you guys didn't know it but i guess uh spotify was keeping track every time you guys said that yeah we're your favorite show and they sent us an unbelievable gift of uh wireless headphones neither of us would buy those for ourselves and uh you guys didn't didn't know that you were doing that for us. But thank you. Everything you do. Yeah. From saying nice things about us.

We can't even say we like them because our agent would be like, don't you say you like them. And don't say the brand. Yeah. Don't say anything. Just say they're nice. Don't you say a word? You say Spotify's fine.

And we'll talk about it if anything comes up. That's a good way to listen to podcasts we hear. That's it. It's okay. But you guys are why we do it thank you guys and uh what you guys do for us is extremely appreciated uh let's keep this up uh for 2020 merry christmas and happy new year absolutely guys yes merry christmas happy new year we are you know normally grumpy fucks but you know the weird thing is we are both huge christ enthusiasts. Yeah. Neither of us are religious. No.

Neither of us are usually into like a corny type of shit. No. Fuck do we love fucking Christmas. So good. Holy shit. I have a Griswold tree in my house. It's ridiculous. I fucking love Christmas.

Serious, Clark? I'm telling you. It's not going in our yard. It's going in our living room. That's where I'm at right now. Put that tree. Bend over going in our living room. That's where I'm at right now. Where do you put that tree? Bend over, I'll show you. That said, yeah, we're very excited about this.

I'm scared you'd talk to me like that. What if people wanted to give you the happiest of holidays, Jimmy? How could they reach you? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N-S-U-C-K-S, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. And I look forward to hearing from you. Where can they find you? You can find me at JimmyPIsFunny, or just copy and

paste my name from the show description and make it a little easier on yourself to not have to try to spell that shit. Much easier, but you know what? With that said, holy shit. It's been a wonderful year. 2019 is going to be in the books. Our next show will be in 2020,

which is crazy. We haven't missed a show in like, it's been a long time. November of 2018. Yeah, when our computer died. Right. And luckily we got a new computer. Yeah. And this episode, this is how awesome our computer is.

I kicked the fucking power out of this episode. Midway through this episode, not midway, two hours and 20 minutes. Five minutes ago. Yeah. And had a fucking mental breakdown because we thought we had no episode but luckily uh adobe audition is wonderful and reloaded everything so thank you thank i was just gonna say thank you jimmy's cousin shannon who hooked us up with this wonderful computer to help us out otherwise uh that avion whatever

brand it was we were not we would not have had an episode this week because I was way too angry to fucking record again. And Jimmy was in tears. It was not good. Way to go, Hagen. So thank you very much, Shannon, for that. And yeah, thank you guys for everything you do for us, honestly. And until next year, everybody. Yeah.

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