Small Town Murder - #158 - A Hollow Full Of Murder in Tiline, Kentucky

Episode Date: February 13, 2020

This week, in Tiline, Kentucky, where crazy circumstances unfold around the disappearance of local resident. As it unfolds, we find out just how insane things had become, as blame gets placed in unlikely places, and police struggle to make their murder theory stick. In the end, the right person is seemingly brought to justice, but will it stick?? Along the way, we find out that being awake for 3 weeks can have an effect on your judgement, that there is definitely such thing as too much meth, and that 12 feet isn't deep enough to hide your problems!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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comedians we're gonna make jokes people are gonna die but there's gonna be jokes about it i'm sorry it's just gonna happen there's a lot of stuff that goes on around a murder to make fun of right you don't have to it doesn't have to be about making fun of the victim as a matter of fact we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's families right because we're assholes but we're not scumbags hell yeah so if that doesn't sound good to you if you don't think that joke should be around murder please don't listen to the show same for you i don't want to hear it later on people send us a thing you guys are jerks and you shouldn't do well you know what you shouldn't listen to the show i told you not to and you did it anyway so you know what i mean yeah if you want a steak and you go to a vegetarian

restaurant you're like i don't i just wanted steak well that's on you you went to a vegetarian restaurant they don't have any steak so i don't know what to tell you there's lots of serious green yes all the show is all real everything's real it's just there's jokes because crazy stuff happens if that sounds good to you and you want to have a good time, hear a crazy story. Well, I think it's time. Yeah. I think it's time, Jimmy. You're amongst company.

I think it's time to sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. I can't wait. Go on a trip. Yeah. Let's do it. We were in Wisconsin last week. We were freezing.

Yeah. Cold up there. It was weird, weird, weird. It was a weird, weird time. Weird people, weird experience. Weird times last week. Yeah. Well up there. It was weird, weird, weird. It was a weird time. Weird people, weird experience. Weird times last week. Yeah. Very strange.

You thought that was strange. Oh, boy. Are we going far? Head on down the holler, Jimmy, because we're going to Kentucky. Yeah. We're going to Tulene, Kentucky. I think it's Tulene, Tuline. There's not enough people there for any media to have ever said it out loud.

Yeah. The name of the thing, so I have no idea. You don't got T-V? It's T-I-L-I-N-E. Yeah. Teline sounds fine. Teline sounds good to me. Tie line sounds like your teeth would need to be intact too much, I feel like, to really get that out right.

Abilene is spelled very similar, and it's pronounced like that, so we'll go with Teline. Teline right there. It sounds like you'd say it in an accent. Yeah. Over in Teline. Over there in T sounds like you'd say it in an accent. Yeah. Over in Tulane. Over there in Tulane. All right. Tulane, Kentucky.

Yeah. Man, this is Western Kentucky, straight up panhandle of Kentucky. I mean, this is like you can hear literally if you drove in and got out of your car, you would hear banjos in every direction. If you drove in and got out of your car, you would hear banjos in every direction. I'm not even. This is the most banjo-rific place we've ever encountered. A jug horn bass?

Just a. Jug horn bass line? That's the whole. That's all you hear. And you're like, where's that coming from? It's coming from everywhere. That's where it's coming from. The hills.

Yeah. The ho from everywhere. That's where it's coming from. The hills, the hollers, everywhere. Wow. This is three hours to Louisville, where we will be Saturday night. You bet. Come see us there. And if you drive, I think it's about another hour up to Indianapolis, where we'll be Saturday night. So both of those. It's about three hours over to St. Louis in the opposite direction.

And it's about four and a half hours to Whitley City, Kentucky, which is our last one. Episode 119. Our last Kentucky episode. This is, I can't explain to you how rural this is. This is some seriously rural shit here. Lots of trees and mountains? Trees, mountains. The trees have eyes.

It's just, this is a, wow. I'll just say that. It's in Livingston County here. Town motto is, this is my wife and sister, Susan. Sorry. Had to go with an old one. My wife and my sister? Yeah.

Here she is. Susan. Sorry. I understand. It's an old joke. But you know what? It's so appropriate that it was like, you know, that's why this joke exists. It's an old joke? Yes know what yeah it's so it's so appropriate that it was like you know that's why this joke is that an old joke yes i've never heard of it before you never heard

people say this is my wife and sister that's like the old hillbilly joke well i mean i i understand one lady standing there right yeah that's susan i'm on board with how i gave her a name rather than there's one lady standing there and it's susan i think i updated it and probably made it better but you know yeah this uh now the history there's some history in the in the town in the county because there's not much in the town no town history is people probably i don't know died young there because they lived in the woods people like that that are literally inbred though oh god yes you've known people that have fucked a relative. Oh, I've seen them. It's creepy as shit.

Oh, good Lord. Yeah, I've been to Western New York. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, there's some stuff going on in the trees. My dad's ex-wife had two daughters before, I mean prior to,

they were in their 50s or 60s when they got married. But she had two daughters and one married a man, had a baby with him, divorced him, then the other sister married man, had a baby with him, divorced him. Then the other sister married him and had a baby with him. They both called him Uncle Daddy.

Yeah. That's what everybody in the family called him to his fucking face. Well, that would be- Uncle Daddy. But one thing- He's got two daughters that are cousins and sisters at the same time. But- Granted granted they aren't blood that's what i'm saying but the none of the people who actually procreated were related to not illegal this is what's good it's gross here i feel like it would be like well i mean she is

my cousin right but you know i mean my daddy and his sister were never close so i mean we're cousins and all but i mean this is the closest that I've seen, and they made a joke out of it for everybody in the family to really enjoy the joke. I think they were enjoying it. The babies called him that. I think they were enjoying it anyway, whether they wanted them to or not. I think everyone was probably getting a good kick out of that shit. The county, Livingston County, is named after Robert Living livingston who was actually from new york city which is interesting here uh he went to king's college and studied law he was elected to the

new york provisional congress here this is we're talking 1700s pre-revolutionary war and was selected to serve in the continental congress and he was selected to the committee that drafted the declaration of independence but he went back to to New York before he signed it. Oh. It's like, I got shit to do. I don't want to be immortalized forever. I'm going to go home now. Why would you?

I feel like he's like, you know, I like everything it says, but to put your name on it's really a little scary. Putting a target on your back there. You know, I got an appointment tomorrow with the podiatrist. So I'm going to, all right, guys. I'm going to come back and sign it. That Hancock really started some shit writing it that big. Clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop.

Is his horse fucking? First his shoes, then his horse. Yeah, it's the old timey version of a door slam and tire screech. Instead, you hear him, all right there. And you hear whip whip that's the shit there so uh he was he's honored in kentucky it was okay uh he he'd been honored by kentucky for something yeah robert livingston they were liked him for something so he met a steamboat guy a guy running steamboats named ro Fulton. And basically, this guy was kind of, he was trying to make steam travel better for like steamboats and shit like that. Because this area is all river.

Of course. There's a river that separates Kentucky from Illinois. Right. Because this is right across the river from Illinois. You could throw a goddamn rock and hit Illinois from this place. I mean, as much as travel as we've been doing, I didn't realize how much goddamn water there is in this country so much water so many rivers and intertwined states yeah i'm flying over shit and i'm like is that what river is that and then the person next to me is like would you shut the fuck up yeah there's plenty of rivers shut up it's filthy that's what

it is oh okay yeah sorry yeah so livingston meeting fulton here, got into the steam-powered water travel thing. Livingston was like, this shit could work. This is good stuff. Because this was before this was real prominent. So Fulton and Livingston had a steamboat called the New Orleans that made an inaugural trip from Pittsburgh to New Orleans in 1811 here. And this was like the first navigating a steamboat down a huge river that happened so this was a huge deal and how crazy is that yeah it's a huge uh a huge innovation sure for you know transporting goods people new orleans yeah that's crazy such a trip

that's a long trip and to be able to do that without going over land and like that made everything a lot more convenient yeah or you would either that or take it to the atlantic and go all the way the fuck around florida which is pretty far too they had to have navigated that before they dropped that fucker in the water yeah people have navigated in boats all the time and you know lewis and clark when they were exploring they had a boat most of the way right you know but you gotta know like where the fucking waterfalls are well you find out eventually. You will. The Mississippi is pretty, pretty, pretty flat. It's pretty flat and all this shit.

So Smithland is a town that's like right next to to lean here. And there's some interesting it's right next door. It's two minutes away and it's all the same shit. It's all the same woods, basically. And so I found some history of the Smithland place. And this this is amazing. In its own little historical thing, it says, quote, In its early days, the town had a reputation of being a lusty, bawling river town.

Hell yeah. Jesus. Full of unsavory characters. Bawling. Bawling. How do you spell that? B-A-W-L-I-N-G. Does that mean they're fucking?

Or crying. Or crying. Or fucking and crying. Fucking and crying. That's some fucking right there. Yeah. When you're crying at the sex. You're not sad about the sex.

You're sad about something else in the sex. This is making it better. It's all consensual and voluntary. You're not crying because you're having sex. So it's bawling and what? And a lusty, bawling river town full of unsavory characters. Wow. Which sounds awesome.

Sounds like fun. It's like Tombstone. It's a good time. Sounds like a destination. Yeah, yeah. But then people started coming in and building homes and establishing businesses. And that would make the town a little... Once the transients kind of got out of there, it becomes a little more stable when people

want to build houses and live there. Yeah, well there's kids running around yeah it's hard to yeah kids you're like yeah can you not beat your hooker in the street please that back then that would have been that would have been the politest way to put it they would have been like that's what you're calling her shaping my sober eight-year-old's life yeah good god so uh the taverns here are reputed to have had tunnels used in the Underground Railroad for escaping slaves, which is pretty cool here. Around 1800, there was a road here built between Smithland and Eddyville, which was the county seat at the time. And that kind of brought some more travel. It made travel a little easier there.

In mid-December 181111 a major earthquake happened here and uh smithland residents this is great residents of the town thought it was the end of the world i'm sure they did because back then they didn't know and they're very religious and so things like that anything that happened be the end of the world and kentucky how many earthquakes cloudy today i think it's the end of the world it's's probably the apocalypse, right? That's the apocalypse. All right. Well, I'll just sit around and wait for it. Right. You don't know science back then.

Any damn thing. No. You don't know shit. The ground's shaking. Right. Jesus is angry. That's all you'd know. But there's not many earthquakes that I've ever heard of in Kentucky.

No, it's not. It's not very common. Today, it probably makes some people there think the sky's falling. Probably, yeah. If it's a different thing. People probably still think that anyway so uh they had i guess it was heavy rumbling roaring hissing sounds explosions and shit are going off and uh people went into the streets because chimneys were falling down over houses and you know that wasn't built for that no uh there was

tremors for several months afterwards oh my god months this is this is a big one man so uh it's it's really crazy is this something that i just found out is common in kentucky i don't know now it is because i don't know if kentucky but now it's common in a lot of places because of uh of drilling yeah fracking and shit like that so you know yeah it's it saves money and stuff but then look how many look up how many earthquakes were in Oklahoma this year. I swear to God. Google how many earthquakes in Oklahoma on a yearly basis, and you'll see like 1, 0, 3, 1, 4,812. It's fucking insane.

I swear to God. So it's not a political stance. It's just from a geological standpoint. The ground is shaking. That seems bad. I'm just saying. So, I mean, we're not scientists. I'm just giving you numbers I saw and it doesn't sound good. Maybe the earthquakes are great. I don't know. Maybe that's a good sign. I'm not sure. You got to shake the salt to get it out of the shaker. That's what happens here. Now, right before the earthquake, this is crazy. The night before the earthquake,

there was a wild murder here on a place known as Rocky Hill, which was the night before the earthquake there was a wild murder here uh on a place known as rocky hill which was the home of the nephews of thomas jefferson really which is yeah because this is 1811 i mean thomas jefferson is he was just fucking president i mean this is you know prime jefferson time here uh as far as him being famous people knowing who he is uh there was a guy named uh lilburn lewis who was the son of a colonel, Colonel Lilburn, Colonel Charles Lilburn Lewis. And apparently the one guy, he falls on hard times and he's drinking a lot. And then Jesus Christ. OK, George here, who's the son, apparently, here.

Jefferson? No, no. I'm sorry. George is one of Colonel's slaves. Okay? I'm sorry. The Colonel's son's slaves. Got it.

Start off here. Of Lilbert. Of Lilbert. Lilburn. Lilburn. Okay. One of his slaves broke a pitcher that belonged to his dead mother. You motherfucker.

Oh, so he lost his mind. Bad enough where it's like, well, I've been working for free and you've been treating me terribly for the last however long, so let's call it, you know, not even really because you still... By my count, you still owe me a shitload of money.

You got any more pictures I can break? Any more laying around? I'd like to break more pictures, please. But he gathered up all his slaves together and murdered george with an axe in front of all of them oh my god yeah as you know an example what a psychopath yeah a fucking lunatic what the shit that's crazy so uh there's a book about it and everything else a book called jefferson's nephews here and uh wow that's lilburn is Jefferson's nephew. Apparently.

So, yeah, Lilburn is one of them. There was Charles Colonel Charles Lilburn Lewis's son. So, yeah, apparently. Yeah, they're all nephews of Thomas Jefferson. Weird shit. So by the 1830s, they got a sawmill in this area, a boot yard or a boot yard, a boat yard, a whole yard for boots. Can you imagine that? Hey, that's the boot yard. Oh, OK a boat yard okay a whole yard for boots can you imagine that hey that's the boot yard oh okay they just make shit outside or just i think every yard's a boot yard pretty much put your boots in there yeah oh shit they got a dock basically on the river a brick yard a blacksmith shop all that sort of shit dry goods gotta have your dry goods jimmy good lord uh by 1840 it was growing in population things

were things were going well and then uh 1884 huge floods here that screwed everything up 1937 huge floods here screwed everything up not bad enough that that's you know still like depression's been lingering for years let's have a flood to make life even more miserable here. In 1961, Smithland temporarily changed its name to Albany, New York. What? Shut up. Albany, New York for the filming of a portion of a movie. Got it. They changed their name for that.

That's amazing. It's How the West Was Won starring Jimmy Stewart and Debbie Reynolds. No kidding. Yeah. And it was filmed there. It was filmed here. Part of it was filmed there. Known as Albany, york because there's trees and i'm sure it was cheaper than albany because i'm surprised everyone came out intact though surprised they weren't kidnapped

and drug into the forest ridiculous blown up in a still now notable people from the county we have andrew jackson smith yeah uh who sounds like andrew jackson you go god but he's actually a runaway slave oh who later on was a union army soldier during the civil war and he was awarded the medal of honor for his actions at the battle of honey hill hero so yeah he was a total yeah he's a famous heroic guy here and uh james ford who was a civic leader and a businessman and uh very well respected guy who later on was found out to be the secret criminal leader of a gang of Ohio River pirates who robbed people. What? He was a civic leader and businessman.

Big man around town in a suit. He walked around 1775 to 1833. But he was the leader of a band of river pirates. Wow. I didn't fucking know those existed he's that's just a mafia back then basically he's the big guy but they are hijacking trucks it's the same shit i'm a nice well-respected guy at night we hijack trucks he's out there on a on a log raft with a pirate flag on it it's it's crazy man so i found a review of this place a

couple reviews here uh here's a two-star review all right yeah this is about lead better which is the reviews line up they're right next to each other and whatever so pearl jam song too there you go a lot of pearl jam this week we're going we're hitting them hard all pearl jam all the time on 97.7 the jam p jam 97.7 god damn it this review living in ledbetter is pretty convenient considering it's such a small town but and the dollar store is two minutes up the road and my best friend lives right next door to me well what else do you need i got a five mile radius of places to go the things i would like to see change is having more security in our neighborhoods because break-ins happen often happen along with drug deals it's a very scary and unsafe and i wish the neighborhoods were more

monitored and uh yeah it's everywhere the other reviews are all pretty good here's one quote it's uh it's great only because there's so few there's so few so not much to bring the quality down that's one it's great because there's so few people so much to bring the quality down. That's one. It's great because there's so few people, so nobody's bringing the quality down. That's what he said. That sounds, yeah. That's not positive. It's just me and my clan meeting. Right.

Everybody I know. Nobody to, quote, bring the quality down, if you know what I mean. Wink, wink. That's not great here. People in this town, 223. That's not a lot. That's one of the smallest towns we've done how do you even call that a town that's what i mean it's down 24 since 1990 that's today that's

not like when it started no no no that's it's down it's well down wow yeah we had a few more than 55 female we'll go over the stats quick because with a small town it's so it's ridiculous uh 50 average age is like 47 and a half. Not a lot of kids here, but three times the amount of 85 and older people, which is like eight extra people in this town. But 93.6% married. Everybody. It's just everybody. Yeah.

Not a lot of single. Married right now. Swinging. Yeah. Currently married. It's usually 50-50. Single with no children, 0.0%. So if you're looking for some action, this is not your place. You're going to have to put the kitties to bed.

Race of this town, 100% white. Period. Get the fuck out. Are you serious? 100% white. Not a single anything. Not white. That is the first time that has happened.

I'm going to bring the quality down. You know what I mean? Yeah, this is scary. 100% white. We've had them 98. 100. 238 people or whatever the fuck it is. Still.

All of them. All of them. every last one of them white all men too all guys with overalls this whole town is the people poor ladies to have all the children it's the people people on twitter just bitch about

it's all these people yeah jesus christ 58.7% religious which is a lot higher than normal. 46% Baptist. Good Lord. Baptists are the Catholics of the South, as we know. I know that Kentucky is not really the South, but it's the South. It's the fucking South.

It's the South. Who are you bullshitting? Some Methodists here. 0.0% Jewish. There's parts of Ohio that are kind of the South. Kind of the South? They're absolutely the South. Kind of the South? Or absolutely the South? Cleveland is the South.

You look at Illinois, people are like, Southern Illinois is the South. It is. It's right across the river from this. That's what I mean. That's why it's like that. When you watch Stevie, this is... Yeah, this is his jam. Stevie's north of here.

Wow. You're right. So take Stevie and devolve him slightly. I'm not even saying for the southerness, because this is more backwoods than where Stevie is. So take Stevie and make him more backwoods. That's what we're dealing with here. Put more frogs in his pockets.

Yeah, more frogs, more snakes, more meetings with the Aryan Brotherhood. And now you're talking what we got here. Or you're acting like they're making sense. If you're new to the show, watch Stevie the documentary and you'll understand. It really encapsulates a lot of small town murder it's on amazon right now you can get it for free absolutely 0.0 jewish in this town it's not a surprise here 0.0 muslim right uh

the last election in this county it's a pretty conservative county uh 19 democrat and 77 republican so uh it's pretty pretty clear what they're into there 5.9 unemployment rate which is way higher than the rest of the country at this moment in time but the average income here median household income is actually decent 57 652 as usual here it's 51 652 it's only 6 000 off because it's like if you have a job, it's decent, but there's just not a lot of work. It's one of those type of places. Like when you look at the jobs, there's some retail trade. Healthcare is twice the amount of normal and social assistance, more public administration,

like by four times in the normal place. This is a lot of like reaching out to people and wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia think and think that too with our show because it's one of the families is clearly they're like the whites of this area. It's fucking crazy. Cost of living 100 average regular par. Here it is. Eighty two housing, though, is low. It's a fifty nine hundred thirty six thousand dollars is the median home cost here.

So pretty, pretty cheap, I would say. Most of the houses are under, well, all the houses pretty much are under $200,000 for the most part. And if we've convinced you, you have to be here. Maybe you have a still that's just, you're raring to get cranked up again. We have for you the Tulane, Kentucky Real Estate Report. Tulane, Kentucky here. Okay, it's your average two-bedroom rental, good lord. $618, which I'm sorry, that's still overpriced.

It's a tie. Even though it's like half the national average. I found a four-acre lot in Ledbetter nearby. Four acres of land for $29,900. Four acres. Four acres. That's like... Your900. Four acres. Four acres. Your own holler, everybody. Is a seven grand an acre?

That's not bad at all. Seven and change. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,232 square foot. It's a trailer. I'm not going to lie. It looks like it's connected to the ground. They put the lattice up there at the bottom. That's not great. They buried the axles. They buried them. It's $59,900, though. So so what do you want then i found in to lean actually a three bedroom three

bath 2987 square foot house that's a lot of it's nice it's stone i don't know if the mayor lives here or what but 279 000 bucks it is by far the nicest house in town clearly that's why it's for sale no one's bought it you can be king you can be king of to lean uh things to do this is amazing uh they're the panhandle spring fever fest get out of my life that is the name of the fucking event they have no idea panhandle spring fever fest they're celebrating no they have no idea what they're celebrating fuckeryery about. Oh, boy. It's so much noodnickery. It's not even funny. This was in 2018. Come see how fucked up we are.

Look at this. We'll prove it to you. Bring your sister and your wife. Well, obviously, you know. Put her in the passenger seat. Put them both in the passenger seat. So vendors selling everything you can imagine, including children, I'm sure. Who knows?

Slaves? Slaves. It doesn't matter. Live music. A cornhole tournament. Oh, boy. Which in this area. It's not beanbags.

In this area, it could go either way. That's what I mean. You better fucking be careful when you show up for a cornhole tournament. You're showing up with your beanbags and like, uh-oh, fella. Uh-oh, boy. Uh-oh, fella. That ain't how this is going to work. You're like, oh, my.

What's happening? We're throwing something, but that ain't it. That ain't it. Oh, no. There's a car show. It's the person who has a car. It's an 87 Chrysler station wagon, but it's nice. It's a nice car.

It runs well. About 210,000 miles on it, but I never smoked in it or nothing. It's a nice car. It runs well. About 210,000 miles on it. But, you know, I never smoked in it or nothing. It's pretty good. I was going to bring that LeBaron, but we traded it in on this. This is a much better car. It's a better car. It's a better car. The LeBaron transmission was all messed up on that thing.

I don't know. Ah, fuck. I love that. The car shows. Anybody know how to fix this thing? There's some shit wrong with it. Y'all can fix it. I'd appreciate it. Look, I put the key in. I love that. The car shows, anybody know how to fix this thing? There's some shit wrong with it. Y'all can fix it. I'd appreciate it.

Look, I put the key in. I twist it. Nothing. Nothing. I don't know. Live auction. Again, I'm scared to know what they're auctioning. What's a live auction?

That's what I mean. It could be live things being auctioned, which scares me right away. This place is a nightmare. For me, this is, boy my mom i'm sweating any words that they've said so far you just you gotta take them for face you never know yeah you never know great great food oh okay that's good could be burgoo from what we've understood a large bouncy house for kids. Okay. I can't get anything negative about that. Only good.

Games. Prizes. Okay. This will be a wonderful event. They have assured me in the last sentence. Or else. Wonderful event. They're just five miles from Paducah going towards Smithland.

Bring a friend and a chair and spend the weekend with us in a town that welcomes you thank you and god bless spend the weekend spend the weekend you're gonna sleep here tonight look at the car all weekend you can sleep in it i'm putting my tent next to the car ain't nobody gonna tell me i can performing there will be classy and grassy oh boy who is uh an eight-year-old playing merle haggard songs get the fuck out it's an eight-year-old it's an eight-year-old classy and grassy uh yes uh boy or a girl it's a boy okay started age three and he was on uh uh little big shots with steve harvey Some TV show about kid performers. So he's the one kid in town that's talented?

He's not from this town. Fuck no. He's not from here. He's just at the fucking Panhandle Festival. They could afford him. He sings Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard songs. I like him. And he's backed up by his brother who plays eight instruments.

Jesus, at once? Yeah. Who knows? He's pretty talented. Sounds talented. I don't know. But yeah. So crime rate in this town. Who knows? This is pretty talented. Sounds talented. I don't know. But yeah. So crime rate in this town. Wow.

We're interested in here. Property crime is about one-third of the national average. So very low. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, Mount Rushmore of crime, is even lower, one-quarter of the national average. Okay. This is nobody around. Right.

There's nobody there. Yeah. They're all in their 40s. Yeah. And who's's gonna steal from you if they're not near you at all i'm not gonna go all the way over there and steal shit that's too far yes that one dude who lives right next door to his best friend they could well yeah the dollar store is up the street he doesn't know that he doesn't know the crime rate's low here that's the thing well to them in their world yeah they're just stealing from each other if it happens once it's way too high and how often is it not reported probably too is the other thing just who knows who stole i don't know who stole what shit fuck i ain't gonna call it anymore that

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I'd say. It's time. What do you say, Jimmy? Let's do this. I mean, they're murdering me. It's... I can't believe that these people...

It's our second murder of the show, right? Yeah, yeah. Right. We don't get that often. Thomas Jefferson's family murdered one murdering wide open too in front of everybody yeah that's they invited people to watch it it was mandatory it wasn't even it wasn't an invitation it was uh it was a murder at the

team it was mandatory yeah it was a mandatory meeting so uh this murder here let's talk about a couple of people let's talk about a couple of folks shall we let's talk about a guy named robert earl gates of course first of all bob yeah that's bob gates here uh bobby earl here uh bobby earl's a uh a taline resident uh he has like kind of a kind of a non-working farm in taline you can's, quote, a farm, but there's no farming happening. Well, there's farming, but not of natural goods or animals or products or, you know, vegetables or anything like that.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. God, no. There's farming of a different kind. What do they cultivate? We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. I don't know if it's a particular kind of farming that they do in the hills sometimes. So, Robert Earl Gates, and he's got a girlfriend. Yeah. A girlfriend named Sharon Ray.

How old are these people? He's about 40, 41 at this point, and she is 38 years old. Okay. Okay. And she lives with him over here. She's originally from Ledbetter, which is a holler over, literally. We'll talk about the holler situations too because there's multiple there's multiple yeah uh literal like you heard the word let's get the definition

and what okay that's what it entails all right yeah if you don't know because maybe if you're from another country or something or you're from like fucking new york city because i didn't know this till this shit yeah okay there's they have these things called hollows, which is just basically a patch of woods. Right. That's a hollow. Right. That just means, because normally patches of woods,

you know, nobody lives there. You're just going to look at all those trees. Look at those. Do you know what that is? The woods. Right. There,

they go, that's a holler. Right. Because a bunch of people live in there, even though they probably shouldn't, because there's nothing in there. No roads or anything. Except for bad shit.

So, yeah, banjos and lots of forcible things happening so so it's called a hollow and this is on a map if you google map this area you'll see this hollow and that hollow and that hollow sleepy hollow like sleepy hollow except down there they don't say hollow they say holler right so down there down there, you hear, and everybody, it's a known thing. It's the hollers. Right. This is a holler. About three hollers over.

Right. That's how they judge distance. Literally, that's how they judge distance down there. About three hollers over. They put an ER on the end of a word that was already, it's a real word. Yeah. Hollow's a real word. We don't need you to fuck it up and make a new word.

They made a new word. About three hollers over. Pardon? Yeah. Yeah. So I've learned a lot from small town murder. I'll tell you that much right now. So they live in a holler here.

So we'll talk about that. But they're there. Oh, man. These two have had a rocky time. Yeah. Rocky relationship. There's reasons why. Sharon, though, she's trying to get her life together.

Yeah. there's reasons why uh sharon though she's trying to get her life together and she's not she's she's she's left bob bobby errol here multiple times in the past and you know they're they've been on and off and fighting all the time very stormy relationship and uh but she's she wants to make it work with him but she also wants to get her life together she's decided like okay if he's going to be a complete fuck up that's on him right and i can still be with him but i'm going to get my life together maybe he'll follow my example it's one of those things like sometimes you know you live well and then maybe he'll see that he's going to lose you if he doesn't join in you know what i'm saying also i don't know benefit in your benefit in yourself yes exactly is a good way to yeah that's the general benefit the two of you you know that's a general

like she's gonna go her way she's gonna do her thing and if he wants to join great if not then that's on him and they're not gonna be together she's gonna find somebody else so that's good so she is trying hard in march of 2004 late march of, she goes to see her hairdresser. Yeah. There's a guy named Larry Wilson. And Larry Wilson, they're a friend of hers as well. I mean, he's been doing her hair a long time. And hairdressers talk to people, especially with a woman's hair.

That shit takes an hour and a half. Yeah. When you're sitting there for an hour and a half, because she's going to get her hair colored, too. If you're getting color and all that. Color and cut? It takes forever. It's forever. So they get to know each other.

It's an afternoon. Yeah. Guys, they know. Whoever does your wife or girlfriend's hair knows everything about you because they have nothing else to talk about. And she just sat there. After a while. After 20 visits, it's like, you know, my husband sucks.

I don't know what else. We've discussed shows we like and all the stuff we're into and everything now let's complain about our spouses we've looked at that color palette plenty it's there's only so many times we can say you know talked about politics yeah we're we're back to this so that's her hairdresser now larry wilson said that you know she came in and she was asking for his help in getting her shit together. Basically, they're friends. She asked if, will you help me get a job? There's a job she wants as a dental assistant in Lone Oak and which is a nearby town.

And she said, there's this job and I want to apply for it. And I think this would help me a lot. And, you know, could you possibly help me get this job? And Wilson said, sure, I'd love to help me a lot. And could you possibly help me get this job? And Wilson said, sure. I'd love to try to help you. He knows of her situation. And he knows that she needs some help, basically. Yeah, but she's picking a career that requires a college degree.

Don't you? Yeah. A dental assistant needs some extra. Well, I think that's if you're in somebody's mouth. This could just be, this is an assistant to a dentist. Okay, so you're literally handing tools. Yeah, or this could just be making appointments. She could be a receptionist or something like that.

I mean, obviously, if you're going to be poking around in anybody's mouth, some training is required. Because that's a bonkers way to get into a career. Sit down in your hairdresser's chair and be like, listen. Listen, I'd like to do dental work. I'd really like to be the CEO of a company. You got any beads on that? Anything about heart surgery?

Because I've been looking. I watch the show. I don't think it paid a lot. I saw something on the Discovery Channel. I really want to better myself. I'd like to save lives. I think I can do it.

But no, she goes to her hairdresser too to do that. Yeah. I got it. Well, she's got a poker goes to her hairdresser, too, to do that. I guess while she's got a poker in your mouth, well, my hairdresser got me this job. You're like, what? You just said you're pulling all my teeth out. What the hell's going on here? My aunt is a dental hygienist or whatever.

She had to go to school for a long time. That's what it is. It's a thing. It's a thing, yeah. It's definitely a- It's a legit career. It's a legit career. They make good money a legit career. It's a legit career. They make good money and they go to school for a long time.

It's, you know, they could fuck you up if they don't know what they're doing. So it's important that they're good at it. You lose a tooth based on how hard you just clean these shirts. I feel like she's just writing down an appointment. She doesn't have any training in this area. I know that for sure. Now, she's she. She also during this visit said that she that she's a little bit fearful of, she tells Wilson that she's a little bit fearful of Bobby Earl.

She's like, Bob's been acting a little crazy. They had, apparently there was a domestic situation between Bobby Earl and Sharon in September of 2003, where they were there both. Neither of them are supposed to be around firearms. They both have criminal records. They were fighting. There was a domestic disturbance. The police came and there was a gun in the house. So they're both in trouble for it because neither of them are supposed to have a gun.

So it's a domestic disturbance with a gun. He ends up they end up putting the gun on him. Uh, he ends up, they end up putting the gun on him. Uh, but she is being forced to testify against him in court about the gun basically, or else they're going to put it on her. So it's a, it's a stupid thing. It's gun possession and assault charges that they were both facing. And so, you know, they're trying to put it more on him basically. So she asked, uh, at this point, so they talk about that for a while.

She says she's, you know, a little bit scared that for a while she says she's you know a little bit scared because she doesn't want she's afraid that i mean they were fighting before anybody was testifying against anybody she's afraid if i testify in court against him when we get home it's not going to be pretty type of thing so they talk about that and then she says please will you get me a job here um that way if i get this job and he keeps acting like this i can leave him and then i can get away from him and that way none of this shit will happen i don't have to be worried about him killing me for testifying against him you know what i mean which makes perfect sense it's all adding up and this is apparently this wilson uh larry wilson somebody

that she can go to that she feels comfortable going to and you know not only confiding her most personal things but also you know for help yeah so that's at least she's got a friend yeah it's a start we've done a ton of episodes like this where these you know they don't have any friends anybody to turn to or whatever at least she's got somebody that's willing to help her too and he's willing totally willing to help her um he says that uh he he ends up making arrangements for her to interview at white and white dentistry which was the dental firm there of course it's white and white yeah it's white and white oh there's a third white but they ain't white enough so we left him off to we left him off

you know just we don't want nobody nobody he's off. He's off wide. We left Alabaster off. I'm sorry. So he makes arrangements for her. And he said that she had an interview either Wednesday or Thursday of the next week. And he knows because he knows the people that she had been offered the job. So she goes, aces the interview, gets the job. Fucking A. Good for you.

Good job, Sharon. That's a first step step she's moving on here this is great she's supposed to start work the following monday uh which is in april this is we're talking like you know april 5th ish okay uh she's supposed to start work and uh and she doesn't show up for work first day first day of work doesn't show up for work. First day. First day of work doesn't show up. No show, no show? No call, no show. No call, no show. First day. On day one. Day one. After you got somebody to vouch for you.

Right. Oh, boy. You're like fucking Larry Wilson's name up. Yeah, if I'm Larry, I'm like, dude, seriously? I got you a job and you're doing this? They called me. You understand? They called you and the next call was to me.

To go, hey, your flaky friend didn't show up. Thanks a lot. Two guys named White got into dentistry. White. Brilliant. And it's, I mean, dentistry. Yeah, that show up. Thanks a lot. Two guys named White got into dentistry. White and White. And it's, I mean, dentistry. Yeah, it's brilliant. You want your teeth to be white. It makes sense.

It's a little redundant, but it makes sense. I get it. I'm on board. They just called it the White Dentistry. Right. Everyone there. White Dentistry. Oh, his name's White.

Their names are White. And dentistry. And their names are White. Jesus Christ. And teeth are White. Okay, good. That is clever. And there's no white. Jesus Christ. And teeth are white. Okay, good. That is clever. And there's no blacks.

Perfect. That's what they'd be going for there. Now, yeah, so Larry Wilson, he's worried about her, but there's a problem with her. She's supposed to start work. It was April 5th. And the issue with her is this is not new behavior for her. She's not a real dependable person. She's not a real dependable person that just, you know,

this is a crazy thing like, oh, well, Sharon didn't show up. My God, call the police immediately. If Sharon doesn't show up, Sharon could have other shit going on. And everybody knows that. And her and Bobby Earl have a tumultuous tornado of a relationship where they both do not smart things together uh we'll put we'll talk about but so she doesn't show up on april 5th and then she has a court date on april 7th and she doesn't show up for her court date either what the shit that's yeah she's really blown it all off that's once yeah

she doesn't show up for a court date that's weird she usually shows up for court dates because otherwise you get warrants out for you so she's smart enough to show up for that shit so they're that's a little strange her mother is contacted i said i believe by her attorney her public defender or whatever say hey do you know where she is uh it's probably her you know the phone number given i'm sure so her mother peg peggy here peggy mckinney she said she's you know she hears about this uh you know april 7th or she didn't show up for a court appearance and she said she did not call police about her daughter being missing though because she said she thought maybe she's on the lam basically maybe she went to one of her friends houses to hide out she doesn't know

what's going on legally with her daughter. And so until she talks to her, she's not going to call the cops and say, find my put an APB out for my daughter when she's probably already in trouble. You know, so she just waits on it because Sharon's had a history of having problems. Normally, if it was your daughter, you know, she got a speeding ticket, missed a court date and her lawyer called you. You'd be like, oh, my God, she's missing. You know, but if you knew that she's has issues and has problems then you might go that's think about how many problems somebody would have to have before you go i won't call the cops you might be on the land may make it worse and then she's gonna be mad at me exactly um so she uh she's

missing here for a few days um and then she comes up. They end up finding her, unfortunately, in a rough way here. Sharon, now this is on a road called Ostele Loop, O-S-T-L-E Loop, it's called. And it goes around, kind of around Tilleen and kind of connects near Ledbetter on the other side. It goes through the woods. There's nothing here. Several hollers. It's a very rural road it is it's located in low gap hollow low gap low gap hollow which is right near polecat hollow i swear to christ that's

on a that's on a on the fucking map google maps go in polecat hollow is right there okay like p-o-l-e cat p-o-l-e cat one word sounds like a strip club pole cat hollow sounds like a strip club absolutely sounds like a strip club and i would go there yeah pole cat hollow that place sounds dirty right sounds filthy right that's a that's a filthy sounding strip club it's gonna be sticky but they're gonna do shit they're not allowed to do yeah that's what they're gonna touch you yeah so Polecat Hollow over here. They might give you a three count before they make you take your hands off their tits. But extra.

Yeah, it's certainly going to cost you. Yeah, this whole thing is not good. It's scary. And we can only hope the girls are there of their own free will in this place. In Polecat Hollow, you never know. It makes it much less fun i would imagine they say things like daddy says i got the best tits it's uh yeah i just pictured vacation like her on the that girl yeah it's on the who is uh jenna jenna from uh 30 rock later on and i didn't i had

no idea yeah that's crazy but daddy says i'm the best at it right you have a french kiss i do something and i french kiss it's like so big deal and she goes yeah but daddy says i'm the best dad that's a great line whoever wrote that is a genius that's what it was i wasn't john didn't john hughes write vacation did he write the whole thing i believe he wrote vacation if he wrote all of it that's genius and john uses yeah he's genius you're right good call jimmy that guy i sense something in his future that john hughes i don't know but i mean did he write that joke i believe because i mean john hughes is extremely uh if he wrote it it's eccentric yeah no i mean you're not allowed to fucking go off dialogue because it's his dialogue he's very very specific ownership of

it and it's mine and don't mess with it because that's not what i want you to say just deliver the fucking line just deliver the line that's it yeah and especially with him you know after a few movies it's like why would you mess with my die have you seen my movies they're all stop how do you shut up how many good movies do you have how do you john hughes do what i say yeah jesus i made molly ringwald a star you understand look at molly ringwald she's not even that good of an actress look at i made people want to watch more judd nelson do you understand that nobody knows why me that's why look after my movies their careers were nothing nothing nothing that's why Because my scripts are great. They're amazing. So this is also near Harp Ridge.

Yeah. Okay. So Phyllis Woodruff. Okay. She is a friend of Sharon's. Now she lives in Lake City and she said that she was being nosy and wanted to find something, wanted to find out what happened to Sharon. That's literally what she said. I was was being nosy and wanted to find out what happened to Sharon. That's literally what she said.

I was just being nosy and wanted to find out what happened to Sharon. And she has heard a rumor that Sharon Ray's body was in the bottom of a well. How do you hear that rumor? It's in the hollers. Yeah. People are whispering to each other. Who knows? You hear it on the trees on the leaves this song is that

this whole story is a hank williams jr song sharon's body's in a well and you can nearly find it just be nosy you can get what the fuck man this is ridiculous uh so that's what she hears there There's a rumor that Sharon's body is at the bottom of a well. And so this Phyllis Woodruff is going to get to the bottom of this. No pun intended, obviously. So Phyllis says, quote, she has a little boy the same age as mine. If she was in a well, that's wrong. Well, yeah, if anybody's in a well, regardless.

Well, you got to make it about kids. Yeah. Well, I mean, I wouldn't have cared, but her son was the same age as mine. if anybody's in a well regardless well you gotta make it about kids yeah it's like well i mean i wouldn't have cared yeah but her son was the same age as mine so i said maybe she shouldn't be in a well dead her kid was a few years older than you know he don't need her she don't need her that much and a well's a fine resting place honestly i mean if six feet under is great a well's even deeper really tucks you away it's closer to it keeps the animals away from you it's better yeah i feel like

it will keep you more cooler longer less decomposition this is gonna be good for everybody it's plus it's a it's a well so it's like a stone tube to heaven you're gonna just just shoot your own right out of there or hell depending on how or you're closer to hell let's drive down there one way or another either way it's gonna get you where you need to go don't get you so she says that she decided to search for the well after her boyfriend okay jesus christ he searched for wells go on a well in a holler yeah a holler well right okay um her boyfriend whose name yeah is derrick quote cheeseburgerburger McDonald. Cheeseburger. His name is Cheeseburger. McDonald, get it?

That's what they call him. Cheeseburger. And they put this, this is Jimmy. I made sure to just copy and paste. It's in the newspaper. That's in the newspaper. It's printed in the newspaper.

Derek, quote, Cheeseburger McDonald. In case you didn't know who he was. Make sure, C-H-E. Derek quote cheeseburger McDonald. Why is it? I didn't know who he was. Make sure. C-H-E. Hi, I'm James Veal Parmesan Petrogallo. Make sure you print that.

Nice to see you. I'm James Meatball Sub Petrogallo. Isn't that wonderful? Pleasure to meet you. I am Jimmy Bratwurst Wissman, if you can spell that. Jimmy Hammond Swiss Wissman. Jimmy Hammond Wissman. pleasure to meet you i am jimmy bratwurst wistman you can spell that jimmy hammond hammond swiss wistman jimmy hammond swissman what the fuck oh christ jerry liver worstman oh god so we're in the hollers with cheeseburger mcdonald we have crossed into another area now This is what small town murder is all about, everybody. Cheeseburgers and...

Okay, so Cheeseburger said he visited a well. Never call him anything but that. He's Cheeseburger. This whole fucking show. You'd confuse him. Derek McG... Is that this? No.

Cheeseburger. You know exactly who Cheeseburger is, right? You're talking about Derek? No. No. His name. Cheeseburger. Oh, got it.

Okay, it's Cheeseburger. Now I really want a cheeseburger after i keep saying i want one so bad now when we're done recording i'm so eating a cheeseburger you have no fucking idea i'm going to dairy queen absolutely oh we got to do a bonus episode too by the way patreon bonus episode yes sticking around in the state of kentucky another weird little case so get on that anyway cheeseburger here he he said that he visited a well off ossel loop with his uncle uh randy mcdonald who uh is also an apple pie this is that ron randy this is randy large fry mcdonald here randy the nugget mcdonald over here

and they will call his dad the mcrib when he comes back oh that's he's the mcrib yeah the nugget McDonald over here. And they will call his dad the McRib when he comes back. Oh, that's he's the McRib, yeah. He comes back every few years. Daddy left when we were seven. He comes back every couple years. We call him McRib. You never know when he's going to pop up. I mean, when he's here, it's great.

And we're all like, hey, Daddy's here. And he's just gone. And we're like, oh. And when he does come pop up i mean he when he's here it's great and we're all like hey daddy's here he's just gone we're like oh and when he does come back we realize you know he's not that great that great anyway we're like when's he coming back and we're like nobody knows we're like damn and then after a couple months we're like you know that ain't that good daddy when he's here anyway i mean kind of a shoulder shrug if if I'm being honest with you. I could put that barbecue sauce on a piece of shit and it'd be edible. Kind of miss him. Then he shows up and I'm like, nah. Daddy McRib and Uncle Cheeseburger here.

So Randy McRib McDonald. Randy Large Fry. Sorry, Randy Large Fry here. Randy Large Fry McDonald was with Cheeseburger, who is his nephew, my nephew Cheeseburger, outside visiting a well off Ossil Loop. Okay. Looking at it. There it is.

That sure is a well. And that's the nosy lady's boyfriend. That's the Cheeseburger. He's the nosy lady's boyfriend. Okay. Obviously. All right. He's got a lady.

He's a desirable man. Nicknamed Cheeseburger. Everyone calls him Cheeseburger, and he's got a lady he's a desirable man nicknamed cheese everyone calls him cheeseburger and he's got a lady everyone out there if you're going women won't date me women won't date me you know what that's your fault there's women who are willing to date people who live in a holler named cheeseburger so whatever your situation is you've caused it you fix that shit if you get some charm go find yourself your phyllis cheeseburger and a holler that's a guy that's a real man cheeseburger holler over here with a woman he's got a guy

gets laid he gets laid regular sex he's having so guys it's on you it really is it's on you if you're not if this is if you're jealous i'm sorry if cheeseburger can do it's on you. It really is. It's on you if you're jealous. I'm sorry. Oh, fuck. If Cheeseburger can do it, so can you. So, Cheeseburger over here said that, yeah, he was with his uncle, Large Fry Randy. They are related to Bobby Earl Gaines, as just about everyone in this area. Yeah. This is the wild and wonderful Gaines fucking rural Kentucky. Got it. Is what this is.

This is the garish and another terrible G word and grisly gains of Kentucky. Grisly. So grisly is good. So they're related to Bobby Earl. I assume cousins of some kind here. Now, Woodruff here, the one we talked about, Phyllis, Cheeseburger's woman, she said she wanted to find the well. She was going to call the police about Sharon Ray because she's been missing and they have the boys the same age. But then she said, well, you know what?

Maybe she's on the lam too. I don't want to add more problems to her. So she said, I'm going to search the well before I call police. Because if she's in the well, then I'll have a reason to call police. I don't want to call the police out there, have them look in the well for nothing. So I'll go check it out first. Look down there, just see water. That ain't nice.

As most people do. That's a waste of time. Yeah, so I'll go investigate the holler myself. Right. So Phyllis and Cheeseburger here are going to go investigate the holler. Now, Ray, finally on April 24th, her parents report her missing. That's how long they... That's a long time.

They waited three weeks, basically, to report her missing because they didn't want to... After a while, it's like, okay, now it's worrisome. I'd rather have her in jail than, you know, just in the wind. Where the hell is her kid? Well, she's got children, too, is the other thing. Yeah, we'll talk about all this now the police uh investigate the disappearing the disappearance they make they made several searches of all these hollers this is like prime you know if you got a holler nearby that's where you look for the body you know what i'm saying you're not going to put it

in your front yard right be off in the woods somewhere country song disappear in the holler that's it right there so the police have been searching this area and they searched it several times they brought dogs in the whole deal nothing never found her so i don't know why phyllis thinks she's gonna find her but damn it she's on a mission yeah phyllis goes out there and she ends up seeing a fresh cut brush and a discard what she calls a discarded appliance i believe from what i found in other things it was a dishwasher an old broken down dishwasher and fresh cut brush on top of a well okay so the dishwasher is on top of the well on top of the well it's like some brush with like a dishwasher on top of it like so it looks like a pile of shit

right but it doesn't look like a pile of shit it looks like a well with a bunch of brush and a dishwasher on top of it which is way more suspicious than just a well yeah you might miss a little well because it's not a big giant friggin well with a bucket and everything put up a neon sign saying check here hey look at this under here what is it that's why it's a dishwasher you can see it from the sky right because otherwise a well this isn't like a giant well like you think of with like a crank bucket Hey, look at this. Under here. What is it? It's a dishwasher. You can see it from the sky. Right. Because otherwise, a well, this isn't like a giant well like you think of with a crank bucket that goes down, that people are down there. It's not like that. This is just a hole with some concrete.

Right. It's not a big... It's a hole with bricks and shit around it. Exactly. And it's not a huge thing that you can lean on and stare down in and all that shit. You're not throwing pennies and shit down there. Exactly. No.

This is just a... Ooh, I hope nothing's down there. It's one down there one of those it's a little scary yeah it's a big dark hole in the ground so uh phyllis says quote it's stuck out like a sore thumb yeah stuck out like brush and a dishwasher stuck out like a dishwasher in the woods Which is way more odd than a sore thumb. Where a super doesn't belong. There's a sore thumb. It could be sore. That belongs in the woods. At least you could bash your thumb cutting wood.

At least your thumb belongs on your hand. If it's sore, I mean, you might not know. Kind of like a dishwasher in the woods. That should be the cliche. That should be the idiom. Right. That stands out like a dishwasher in the middle of the woods, boy. You know thatom. Right. That stands out like a dishwasher in the middle of the woods, boy. You know that shit.

Yeah. So she said she removed the debris or moved the debris aside enough to see the well. And then she reported the well being there to the sheriff's department. She didn't look in the well, but this was enough for her to report it. Rumor of the well. Oh, shit. I found a well. Looks like someone's trying to hide the well.

I should call it reported. So she does. She calls it, and the sheriff's department comes out. And the next day, they go down in the well, and they find that Sharon is indeed down there. They find her down there. Obviously, she's not alive. That would be a tough place to spend time. She has a bullet hole in her head, which clearly this isn't an accident.

She didn't trip and fall in the well or anything. Now, Phyllis said she found the well. And after she found the well and contacted police, nobody knew that she contacted police yet. But Cheeseburger had put it through the hollow grapevine. Cheeseburger had told Large Fry that she had found the well, who this gets back to Bobby Earl. Right. Then Bobby Earl comes over the house to talk to Cheeseburger,

Large Fry, and Phyllis over here. It's getting crazy. So Bobby Earl comes over her house to encourage her and Cheeseburger not to say anything. Yeah. He's like, like hey don't call the cops they he didn't know that she did she just he just knew that she found it so uh phyllis said quote i was scared to death that he was there because i was uh because i told he showed up at the house and she went oh shit she he found out that i told and he's here to kill me that's that

was her first thought was oh no he just showed up to tell her don't say a word and she's like ah too late yeah she's like oh no problem i won't oh i won't say a word i click lock lock fucking don't say anything load the gun buddy yeah i'm what that i found a dishwasher in the woods you didn't do anything to cover this shit up on top of a fucking well dummy don't look here right what can i put over this that'll do you know what i have a dishwasher at the house that's gonna work yeah i mean the brush that was working because there's brush in the wood so that kind of blended in but i thought that the wind could blow it away you know i gotta put it down with something rocks are, but there's a lot of them to find. Just a dishwasher will do it. Pow, there we go. Jesus Christ. What an idiot.

What a fucking idiot. So police come in. They use a backhoe to dig around. It's a 12-foot deep well. Good Lord. So it's down there, man. It's, I mean, think about that. That's far.

That's double grave. Yeah. So 12-foot deep well, and they dig around. When they found her, she was wrapped in a canvas tarp, basically. And they were hoping to find more clues down there, possibly. But they did four hours of digging through the dirt, and the only items they found were remnants of a methamphetamine lab. That's what they found digging around in the dirt in a hall. There was a meth lab down there?

Yeah, of course somebody found they're like well we found a dead woman and a meth and the remnants of an old methamphetamine lab that's what they said it's fucking amazing which honestly any well in the in the woods out here you're probably going to find a an old methamphetamine lab let's be realistic here uh he one of the police officers said quote we had some information that there may be some other articles down there and uh they they there wasn't though other than that which wasn't connected to the murder so they're like well all right we got that anyway so july 1st 2004 comes around now they have sharon rays uh they found her and uh they're obviously she's been murdered clearly she's been shot dumped down a well and covered up with a dishwasher so this is not an accident we'll say here wrapped in an

old like drop cloth yeah wrapped in like a paint one of those painting canvases but people yeah drop cloth just like a rider truck rental blankets those shits. Yeah, moving blankets, something like that. Clearly, somebody did not want her to be found, obviously. Now, the police are looking for Bobby Earl. They'd really like to chat with him, and he's not around. No? They can't find old Bobby Earl. Well, I mean, it took off.

More like he's probably hiding under a dishwasher somewhere in a holler. So, this goes all the way on untiluly of to july 1st 2004 they can't find him finally on july 1st 2004 he turns himself in for questioning like oh you want to talk are you looking for me you guys were looking for me i got cheeseburger had told me that y'all was looking for a rumor i heard a rumor. I had heard that from Large Fry. So he's, wow.

He turns himself in. He said, they're asking him, okay, what happened? Where's Sharon? When's the last time you saw Sharon here? Because, you know, this is looking bad for you. And he said, okay, let's take it back in time a little bit.

April 2nd, 2004. The McRib was back in town. Life was good. Life was good and we were all enjoying one and uh large fry had come over to the house and i said perfect yeah supersize me so uh april 2nd he said he was at his house in to lean uh along with sharon and also along with his son uh bobby earl jr of course. We've got to have Bobby Earl Jr. And Bobby Earl Jr., we'll talk about his whole arc.

So don't worry. There's more on him to come. This is Robert Earl Gaines Jr., though, here, the second. He's at the house. So it's Sharon, Bobby Earl, Bobby Earl Jr., who is about 10 years old, 11 years old at this point in time. Bobby Earl Jr. And Sue Harnese, okay? Now, Sue is staying at the house also.

Sue's a friend of Sharon's. She's staying over because I guess Sharon had worked in dentist's office before. That's why she was trying to get that job through Larry. It wasn't a whim. She had worked in dentist's office before. That's why she was trying to get that job through Larry. It wasn't a whim. Got it. She had worked in dentist's office before. And her friend Sue, her niece here,

or Harness, whatever you want to call her, she had just had 18 teeth pulled. Oh my God! At once? At once. 18. How many do you got?

26? That's most of them, I was going to say. That's a good two-thirds. That's a lot. That's a lot of teeth. That's at least two-thirds of your teeth, unless you're a shark. Yeah.

That's a shitload of teeth. I hope the smilers are intact. Well, I'm not sure about that. I assume those are the remaining teeth, as we'll get into this episode. It seems like that was probably the remaining teeth. Oh, shit. So she needed care and was heavily medicated so sharon was taking care of her at the house that's what it was she said you come stay with me for a few days i've dealt with this before obviously

in the office i know what to do i'll change the cars also it says here that and this is in court documents that sharon was fitting a set of dentures for her niece for Sue. In the living room? How the fuck do you fit for dentures in a holler at the farm? I guess you make up some sort of gelatin. Is there a home denture mold? Oh, shit, yeah. You can do it.

Really? Yeah. Are you fucking serious? I don't think you have to have a dentist appointment to go get Invisalign. I think you can do that at home. You do the trays and send that shit in. dentist appointment to go get Invisalign. I think you can do that at home. Like, you do the trays and send that shit in. Then they send you your Invisalign. But fitting a set of dentures seems like you would need a dentist to do that, no?

James, this is fucking Kentucky. You're lucky she's not drilling pieces of aluminum into her face using those as teeth. I was going to say using those as teeth. She's probably it's probably just rocks that they're going to stick into some some some hardened hubba bubba and glue it to the roof of her mouth or something in the woods down there. The fuck knows. Poor woman. Jesus Christ. Glowing rocks.

Who knows this poor lady. Now, I say this because once Bobby Earl turns himself in, he said, okay, she was at my house at 18 teeth pulled. They're fitting for dentures at the house there. There's a lot going on. Got my kid, got the denture lady. I got Sharon. Everything's over there. And it was even more crazy because me and Sharon had been using methamphetamine every

single day. And we've been up for three straight weeks. Three weeks. Three weeks. Holy fuck. Not three days. Three straight weeks. Both of them have been awake for three straight weeks. Three weeks? Three weeks. Holy fuck. Not three days, three straight weeks. Both of them have been awake for three straight weeks. That's unbelievable.

That'll cause you to miss a job interview too when you're on a three-week meth binge. Makes you a little sleepy. Just a little unreliable. You got other stuff going on. You're like, what fucking day was that? Three days ago I had a job interview? Jesus.

I was supposed to start last week? Well then. Three weeks they've been awake. They've been awake for three weeks, yeah. So that's what he says. That's his story. Now, three straight weeks. Wow, that's a lot.

He talked also that he had up to the cops all about his meth business. He's got a whole business going on here. Tell them the cops this. Well, yeah, that's the thing. you'll see this on the first 48 you'll see this in like tell them all about homicide books yeah yeah they'll tell you i'm here about bodies i care about murder i'm not those fucking drug i don't give a shit about drugs that's what they tell the guy so you tell me all that shit and you're good with me up until you when you kill somebody you know i don't give a fuck about drugs so basically that's what they do and plus if you're trying to get out from under murder

you'll admit to drugs you'll admit to anything you'll admit to anything that's not murder well i was too busy selling drugs how the hell can i be killing anybody i was too busy selling pounds of meth there's no way i could kill people right i mean that's a it's an alibi something So he's talking about his meth business, and he says he whips up a new batch every week or two at his house here in Tulane. Good Lord. New meth batch here. And this is like 2004. This is some dirty meth.

Yeah. This is how he's getting by? Yeah, he's getting by doing this. He said this time he made a larger batch than normal, which is why they were up for three weeks, because he had more than he usually does. He made 127 grams worth. That seems like too much.

That's a lot. That's a lot. That's like five ounces, man. That's almost five ounces. Zip lock bags full. Yeah, it's a shitload. Five ounces of meth? That's a fuckload of meth.

This is worth what he estimated to be about $12,700. Really? So, yeah. Well, you figure it seems like it would be $10 a gram is what it's looking like here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what he's going to sell it for is $10 a gram. Okay. I guess.

I don't know if that's 2004 holler prices. That's holler homemade. I mean, that's holler homemade. That's some holler homemade. Whenever I hear the word methamphetamine, i only in my head hear it in junior from reno 911's voice that's some crystal methamphetamine and the way he says it crystal methamphetamine it's that's all i hear it as in my head i cannot god it's a fucking punch line i can't believe people do it for real that's what i mean that's crazy it's amazing remember in like 1992 people like what do you want crack that was the big punchline and then

people would still smoke crack right that is so much more bad that's so much worse people go oh are you on meth and we're not saying like what are you on crack i'm even funny i saw a man doing it and and and smoking crack and he was giggling about it. Yeah, people have fun doing crack. They do, for a while. We are smoking crack. This is hilarious. I had friends that started smoking crack when I was a teenager. Have I told this before?

Yeah. Yeah, they started smoking crack out of nowhere. Just came in one day, a bunch of people smoking crack. Okay, that's new. That's different. This is not something that was happening yesterday. But they were having fun. Yeah.

This is great. And then like four days later later they were by themselves in another room smoking crack like where'd they go and they're like leave us alone we're smoking crack okay change is fast but i met i knew a girl who did coke fun for three days and then she uh devolved into meth oh yeah it's cheaper and then she moved out of phoenix into a shit town in arizona prescott uh moved into prescott to do meth because it was cheaper and people were making it that's what i'm saying man and her life is a disaster well yeah if you're moving for the meth she's relocating relocating for the beach more affordable great restaurants there i just want to be able to go out to eat and relax or that she's relocating for the beach. To make meth more affordable. We have great restaurants there. I just want to be able to go out to eat and relax.

She's relocating for the meth. I have never heard that before. That's really hilarious, right? I'm spending a lot on meth. I really want to. The city prices are crazy. It's ridiculous. You know what? The city prices on meth.

I'm just going to move to the country where it's nice and relaxing and inexpensive to smoke a lot of meth. Phoenix is booming. The housing, the rent, everything. The meth. The meth's Phoenix is booming. The housing, the rent, everything. The meth. The meth's out of control. The roof. You have to move to a rural area where you can get some nice. You can really afford rent and meth.

Some low-priced real estate and meth. Perfect. We met a dude in, was this Salt Lake, where he was 20 years clean from it. Yeah, that was great. I mean, he had jokes about it, too. Oh, he was, yeah, he knew. Yeah, he had the best jokes. He had a ton of them. He was like, oh, it's fucking ridiculous, right? And I'm like, yeah about it too Oh he was Yeah he knew Yeah he had He had the best jokes He had a ton of them

He was like Oh it's fucking ridiculous right Yeah it's crazy He did it for like Nine years straight or something He's doing great He's doing amazing now Fantastic now

You can barely tell Oh yeah he was good His teeth looked amazing Oh he had the best teeth At the whole show I've never seen a meth head His dad was an orthodontist He said

Or his uncle was an orthodontist Orthodontist close to the family He's like so you know Right Yeah he looked spectacular, though. He did that much meth for that long. I just called him a meth head. He's not a meth head. No! Why did I do that? Well, he was, but he's not now.

He won't care. He's a funny guy. He is. He's a good, cool dude. A guy that done meth that deep and that long with that grade of teeth. Yeah. He was like, I was one of those adults on a child's bike. Yeah. if you're riding a 20 inch huffy you got a problem i'm sorry i don't even care if you're smoking meth you're on the road to meth huffies lead to meth i'm sorry so uh jesus christ man that's wow it's true though

the meth is not good no there's no positives no that are going to come from meth it's a punch line big for that reason. Because nobody's ever been like, meth changed my life. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. People have loved coke. People have said meth has changed my life. But like.

From behind bars. It all fell apart after that. As they pick at their sores. Yeah. So the night of April 2nd, he's got a story about what happened. They've been up for three straight weeks with 127 grams of meth. So this is, if you're into meth, this is a party, basically. So that night, she, meaning Sharon, believed that, this is according to Bobby Errol,

she believed, he said that she believed she saw a light in the backyard. Okay. A light in the backyard. Okay. I don't know where. Flashlight from the sky. We don't know. A light.

Got it. A meth light at this point. Now, he says at this point she put on, quote, some sort of hearing device. Okay. This sounds very meth-y.y yeah this sounds very hallucination yeah i'm gonna put on my cereal box uh air amplifier that i made it's like a big phonograph speaker she tapes to her ear i don't know so wraps duct tape around it into her fucking i don't know

what happened i think i feel i feel bad because obviously we know what happened to her. And so that's awful. And it sucks. But his description doesn't make any sense. This is his description. That's what I'm saying. We're setting his scenario. We're not trying to make fun of her here.

But he says that she put on some sort of hearing device, which just sounds ridiculous, and went outside to look for the light. You don't got to hear light. And went outside to look for the light. You don't got to hear light. Well, if something is making that light, she wants to be able to hear it, is what he's saying, from a holler or two away. And I've never tried to listen to light on meth. Maybe it does. That's the other thing. Maybe you can hear it.

On meth, you can probably hear colors and lights. Taste sounds. And you can taste the sounds it's delicious so wow bass tastes whoa fuck man the rolling stones are tasty i really like bass this tastes great maybe that is a bass that is not bass that's the kid from classyy and Grassy. What are you doing? Stop eating him. Stop eating him. He's good at guitar. Now, while outside, while she's out there, he says that she got a.22 caliber pistol from a car on the property.

I don't know where this car was parked. I feel like they're not real strict about driveways at this property. I feel like you just pull on any patch or wherever you want you know is that what you're seeing too i don't see a designation of a drive no i feel like you just pull out like you know diagonal out in front of the front door there and you get out and you go in and whoever parks their first is that's their spot right that's how i see it dead grass all over cars just collecting in areas absolutely so she's wandering around according to

him picking why is a pistol in a random car in your driveway not in your house where it would normally be but you have a hearing apparatus on your on your head on your head that's gonna amplify noise and you have a pistol and you have a pistol it's gonna hurt your ears if you gotta fire that it's even a 22 yeah while you're looking for light those seem to be louder by the way because it's like a snap pop oh yeah it's like a bell cracker yeah it's a cute 22's loud as fuck cute it hurts yeah pop so according to him this is the scene she's wandering out of in the backyard of rural kentucky with some sort of hearing device quote unquote on her head um with a flashlight apparent or not a flashlight but

looking for the light right while holding a 22 pistol it's a weird weird description of a night shit's going weird yeah uh yeah he says at that point she brought the pistol in because she realized it wasn't loaded oh so i mean jesus why have the gun if it's not going to be loaded so she loaded it up and then went back outside with said hearing device and whatever now she went back outside and brought sue the denture woman right with her at the same time so sue and i guess great pain yeah holding her mouth getting dragged outside to look for light a bunch of hubba bubba print in her mouth yeah she's like listen for the light you hear it what about the light i put the listen for it look at it's right there can you hear it shoot it shoot what the sound there's no sound

yeah this isn't getting interesting so loaded back went back outside with seuss now the two women are wandering around out there but two heads are better than one i guess uh apparently two heads one set of teeth two heads one set of teeth probably not a whole set no who knows so well she worked in a dental office though so she probably has good teeth you know sharon yeah sharon she does math that's true for three straight weeks right so it's a yeah it's interesting so curious at best at best so apparently at this point Sharon puts Sue uh her niece in a tent outside I don't know why she moves her from the house to a tent come on uh Sue I know you're in pain right now and you just had a surgery and everything let's go stay in the yard rather than the house right that's his story. That she moves her to a

tent about 50 yards from the house. Puts Sue outside. I don't know if to watch for the light or listen for it or whatever. And then Sue came or Sharon comes back inside with her listening device still on. Holding her... She didn't have the gun though this time.

He says, Bobby Earl says the whole time he was inside he just saw her going in and out this time when she returns without sue she also doesn't have the gun anymore okay which if you're going to leave someone out to stand guard for the light you're going to leave them the pistol in case that light comes back shoot at it and she just had teeth pulled out she's probably drooling blood uh wild animals are going to smell that that's the other thing so here take that you're in the you're in the middle of nowhere this isn't in a suburban backyard somewhere with a fence around it so she after coming back inside bobby earl says that sharon stood at the back door

and looked outside just stood there for a while looking outside this is this is all meth behavior i hear a thing i see a light is something out there paranoia i a thing. I see a light. There's something out there. Paranoia. I hear a light. I hear a light. I mean, whether it's on her part or on his part, making it up, either way. So he says that she decided to go back outside, even though he warned her not to. I wouldn't go out there.

Is this bird box? Sue's got that gun. Just leave her out there. It's going to be fine. He says a few minutes later, after she goes back back outside he's just hanging out in the house uh he heard a gunshot he said oh my god a gunshot what the hell so then he said he grabbed his flashlight and went outside and what does he see Sharon laying on the ground uh gun gunshot wound and Sue was standing over her yelling I did not mean to do it.

I didn't know it was her. I didn't know it was her. Like, you know, thought it was the light, apparently. And so he says he checked for a pulse and a heartbeat. She was dead. He said she was dead. He says that Sue was ranting and raving. Oh, my God.

It was an accident. We have to get rid of her. I'm going to get in trouble. Blah, blah, blah. That's he said she was so yelling about we got to get rid of the sharon's body and he said all he could do was go inside and weep yeah just weep i had to go inside and cry i had to cry i did a bunch more meth too but i in between in between hits i really cried a lot cried hard i did i did i did but I did. But I smoked meth, too. I'm not going to lie to you.

And make it. And I made some. I'm a meth chef. I made that. And I smoked it. Yeah. And I cried at the same time. Did a lot.

First, I cried because I didn't have meth. I'm not going to lie to you. But then once I made the meth, it was for Sharon. I was crying. The tears were for Sharon. So he says he just didn't want to even hear about disposing of her body. All he could do is weep. He was just so sad.

Yeah. You know, it's terrible. terrible terrible thing happening to this poor man here he says while he's inside weeping overcome with grief just overcome he said at that point sue went into action wrapped sharon up in a tarp oh god she's a right she's like fucking a gambino family member here she's no teeth 22 to the head fucking wrapping people up until we gotta get rid of the body let's go like yeah sue is hardcore man wow uh parent according to him uh she said she came inside yeah said i wrapped her up in a tarp you're gonna fucking help me get rid of her let's go we gotta do that you're in just as deep as me right we did not like we call the cops and say hey you know backyard, thought it was an animal

or something. No, no, no. She's saying, we're going to get rid of this body. And he's saying, eventually, he talked her into it. Which, no. She talked him into it. Or she talked him into it. Which, no.

Sue the gums. Yeah. If you don't want to dispose of your girlfriend's accidentally murdered body, you don't. Right. You can't be convinced of that. No. No. I'm sad.

Even if a hard-ass gangster with no teeth tells you to get in the car you just go no let's just call the police it was an accident i don't think so no he said that they didn't call the police he said he told her that he knew about the well on ossel loop there yeah and uh he put sharon's body in sue's car and then sue drove them to the well that's what he says all medicated and everything he sat back down and cried he's just weeping he's jimmy he's so sad you have no idea this was his soulmate broken oh no not not sharon oh god lord help me oh it hurts so uh even like ozzy so uh he said they drove to the well he said he carried the body to the well but he couldn't do it he couldn't put her in it no he's just too sad he had gummo do it he's

overcome he's overcome by grief and he couldn't do it he said so he couldn't put her in so he went back to the car and said i just couldn't drop her in i so he went back to the car. Said, I just couldn't drop her in. I left her dangling over the side of it, of course, but I couldn't actually. I couldn't actually kick her in. Couldn't do it. He said, so Sue got out. She said, fucking pussy. You know, with no teeth. Fucking pussy.

And then she shoved him. She shoved Sharon's body. Well, Gummo did it. Gummy did it. She shoved. Yeah. Gumby shoved Sharon into the well well i don't believe it yeah he said then they drove back to his house yeah and uh she stayed over there till sunday she's ruthless oh

yeah she's and i'm not leaving either i killed your girlfriend i fucking pushed her in a well and now i'm staying here for a while what's's for dinner? I'll wait till these stitches come out. It better be soft. What's for dinner? Watered down bread, obviously, right? Better be burgoo juice. So she stayed there. Noodles.

Noodles. Before she left on Sunday, she wrote a note saying, quote, this is what the note says, quote, Sharon, it's Sunday. Had to go pay some bills. When you get back, give me a call. Thanks for all your help. Love, Sue. Sue wrote that to her? Sue wrote that note on Sunday.

Now, funny thing about that, number one, it's Sunday, so I'm going to go pay some bills. A, it's 2004, so I don't know what bills you have to pay in person. Why are you running around? But even if you had to go pay cash for things, what's open on Sunday to pay bills? You know, pay the water bill on Sunday? What are you going to pay on Sunday? I guess you can just drop it like a drop box.

Your phone bill, a drop box? It's just an odd thing. Yeah, I don't know. So she says that. That's the note. Checks, cash plays, pawn shop. Pawn shop. Those places are open.

Pawn shop, check cashing. Glass pipe, abrillo store. It's the note. Checks, cash plays, pawn shop. Pawn shop. Those places are open. Pawn shop, check cashing, glass pipe, abrillo store. It's all open. Payday loan places. Oh, you know it. Now, Bobby Earl, he says that Sue told him that it would be a good idea to leave a note. Like, hey, this kind of says that, hey, look, as far as we knew, she was alive on Sunday. Like, she's not here. She took off somewhere.

But, you know, we obviously didn't kill her because why would you write someone a note that was dead? That'd be silly. So they ask him, the police, the million dollar question. Hey, when you knew Sharon was dead, why didn't you call the cops? You know, that's the obvious one. He said that he wasn't thinking straight because, you you know he'd been up on meth for three weeks he said your thoughts get scrambled he goes and it sounded yeah it's a good idea we should

throw her in a well why not you're asking for logic out of out of a drug addict yeah that's the thing um so apparently a few days later and by the way this is how phyllis woodruff ended up coming up hearing about this a few days later after this after they threw sharon's body in the well uh he goes to uh jesus christ bobby earl goes to large fry's house yeah randy large fry uh who's his cousin right and tells him uh he says he told him quote he did something bad and he needs some help oh boy so that's not what you want to hear by the way from your meth dealing cousin no uh so apparently without asking any questions first of all no questions large fry accompanies bobby earl to the well and large fry pours two 50 pound bags of lime into the well okay which is shit to break your body down shut up yeah

two 50 pound bags of lime seems like a lot no questions asked just pours it down they just i need you to pour lime down a well he's like all right i got nothing better going on not why literally with no no questions there's no question why yeah you should know all right i did something bad i need your help i need you to pull two 50 pound bags of lime in the well. In the well. Cool. There's a body in there. Got it.

By the way, is Sharon coming with? No. She's already there. No. She knows about it. She knows where we'll be. Don't worry about it. What else do you do?

So two 50 pound bags of lime. Problem is, all these people are idiots. See, that's the thing. Yeah. Cheeseburger, large fry, Bobby Earl. See, that's the thing. Yeah. Cheeseburger, large fry, Bobby Earl. They're all fucking morons. Yeah. The three of these.

The cabal of cousins are all. Cabal of dummy. Of jackass here. Cabal of Kentucky over here. The Kentucky cabal. While he's doing this, he's such an idiot, he drops one of his gloves into the well. Get the fuck out. That's how dumb this person is.

Oh, damn it. The one thing I couldn't do is drop something down the well, and I did it. Done came plum off my hand. What the fuck are you doing? I mean, I wanted to get caught, but Jesus Christ. Could you throw your ID down there, too, dummy? Wait a minute. I'm going to put an impression on my dental. caught but jesus christ could you throw your id down there too dummy wait a minute i'm gonna put

i'm gonna i'm gonna put an impression of my dental i'm gonna throw that down there you want to jerk off into the hole too give me one of them fingerprint slides and really cover it up so they know who did this jesus fucking christ couple of nitwits that's what i'm saying man so apparently they then they talked to cheeseburger and large fry yeah cheeseburger and large fry they say jesus fucking christ man they they say that large fry assumed that sharon was in the well good assumption even though they said that bobby earl never told him that they said now he never said she was in the well but i just figured she was in the well she wasn't just figured she was in the well. She wasn't around and he was dumping lime on it.

You know, I don't know. It's usually for bodies. That's where we take care of our problems, in the well. You know what? Don't drink well water in Kentucky is what I'm telling everyone right now. You know, the dead giveaway of what lime is and what it's for is that you don't know what else it's for. Who else knows what that shit's for? All I know is that uh you don't know what else it's for all you know who else knows what

that shit's for is that all i know all i know is that it breaks our bodies when robert de niro kills someone in a movie that's what he goes that's what he needs and also i don't have any fucking lime what the fuck i dig the fucking hole dig the fucking hole first hole i ever fucking dug and also gacy uh had a shitload of it yeah under his. That's all it's for. It breaks shit down fast. So Large Fry assumed it. And Large Fry said that he told Cheeseburger where he was going in case he turned up missing. Because he said, if I'm going out there with him, I could end up in the well, too. Who's to say he's not going to throw me in the well because I know about this shit and then put the lime on me.

So he tells Cheeseburger, hey, I'll be at this well over in the holler fossil loop there so case i'm looking so that's why he knew that's how phyllis found out and then phyllis went and looked at it so uh he also said that he didn't know that this is a large fry large fry says he didn't know that sharon was missing on april 2, which is the night this all happened, and didn't tell Cheeseburger that he helped he didn't tell Cheeseburger that he helped

Bobby Earl put two 50-pound bags of lime down the well a few days later. He just said, I'll be at the well with Bobby Earl. He didn't say, dropping lime down on top of your fucking soon-to to be aunt. So anyway, Large Fry said that at first he didn't even believe Bobby Earl when Bobby Earl admitted that he shot Sharon. He was like, oh, you're full of shit.

He just thought it was some meth story. Because when you have somebody that you know, your cousin, and he's kind of out there and crazy and he's on fucking meth all the time and he's telling stories. You don't know what to believe of that. Yeah, but he's telling you to pour lime down a well. And then he's saying he shot somebody. But he's saying, he's like, I don't fucking know. So Large Fry denies any involvement in dumping her in the well or anything like that. But he does say that he would buy meth off of Bobby Earl all the time.

So all of these people, again, do meth too, which is another problem. Everyone's on meth. Everyone's willing to do things with no questions asked in the woods down a well. Shit's weird. This place is nuts. This is a fucked up... What are we doing right now? This is what I'm saying.

This is the essence of small town murder, everybody. The problem I'm having with this is that this is 2004 this is not 1976 fuck this is not 1600 this is night this is 2004 these people have cell phones right you can literally get on the internet with your phone at this moment in time not well but you can get on there you can check your email you can text message people you can download music on your fucking phone. No problem. Yeah. People are getting high-speed internet.

This is the time period here. Post 9-11. Right. Think about that. Modern time. Not even. Wow. Okay.

So Sue Harney's here. She's got a story as well. Because she's the one being blamed. He's saying she shot her. I just dumped the body and blah, blah, blah. So they want to talk to Sue. And Sue says that the last time she saw her, Sharon, was on April 2nd, Friday night.

And that Sue said that she was in a bedroom, not Sharon. That Sue herself was in a bedroom in their house. And that Sharon yelled to her that she was going for a walk which wasn't unusual she said she went for a lot of walks and she said that was that never saw her again period that's it i was in the bedroom laying there and heard i'm going for a walk she said all right never heard uh she said that she did uh she said that she actually because they said if we find that because no one's found the gun yet and the cops say well if we find that pistol yeah are your fingerprints going to be on it and she says well i did i did handle it that day as a matter of fact so they

might be what kind of hillbilly shit is this she said i was helping sharon clean the house before uh because her kid was going to come visit and so I was helping her clean the house and I was carrying around the pistol obviously because you leave your pistols lying on the table and you just have to pick them up and put them on a shelf all the time clearly so what is happening put it next to the meth alright

just guns and meth wow so whoa they said that they talk more to Bobbyl he said that they were fighting that night him and sharon they get him to admit that but he said he couldn't even recall what it was about he's like i don't fucking know um i have no idea could have done anything who knows yeah he says he didn't call the cops you know so they're like we'll tell you what we're gonna charge you uh at least they first charge him uh with abuse of a corpse and tampering with physical evidence

because that's what he's admitted to. Then they go, let's go ahead and throw murder on there, too, because we're pretty sure you fucking did this. This doesn't seem your story just doesn't hold water out of the realm. It's like a strain, like a spaghetti strainer. There's no pouring out. Water's pouring out of the story. There's no pouring out.

Water's pouring out of the story. So he insists it took place on that Friday, and it was Sue that did it and not me. And I don't know what the fuck's going on here. I don't know anything about a walk. All I know is that she went out there, whatever. They said, well, what happened to the gun here? What happened to the gun? He says that the.22 caliber pistol that they think that Sue shot her with belonged to his son, actually, his 11-year-old.

Junior. Junior. Right. And it had been missing from his home. So he doesn't know what happened to it, basically. He can't imagine what it could be. So July 31, 2004, they do find the gun though uh they find it uh under a log on his property oh so yeah it's not he's not a good he's not a good hider he had a dishwasher

sitting on top of it which is dead giveaway it was just in a field there was a dishwasher and they're like i guess check under the dishwasher hey there it is shit there's just a microwave sitting around this is amazing whenever we're looking for something just find appliances in the woods it's gonna be there i'll tell you what he's the worst easter egg hider ever this is okay here's a lesson to people when you're up for three weeks on meth right you're you don't plan things well you're not going to execute things well and you're not going to remember them no when i'm up for a day and a half for like the show and like traveling and shit i feel awful yeah i don't i'm like where where am i what's going i don't remember

what city i'm in yeah i don't remember if i ate that day i'm like did i eat earlier i don't fucking know i could not plan murders and hide weapons and dispose of bodies. My mind is scared. If you put me on meth, too. What you can do is stay up for three weeks doing meth and shit like that. Write ideas down. Then after you sober up and get a good nap, have a look at them and see how fucking ridiculous they are. It's all garbage.

The only person who could write well on just a shit load of speed was Hunter Thompson he was the only one or Eddie Richard Pryor it'd be crazy yeah I meant like write a journalism shit

shit that matters yeah yeah Eddie Richard Pryor did great well he was freebasing so that's gonna bring your shit to the next level it opens it up

when you get into comedy all the like you open up for like you know bigger comics. They all tell you you've got to get into Freebason. That's what you do. That's what I've been told many times by the greats. Some of the greats. And that's why I'm still at comedy clubs because I'm not going to get to theaters

because I refuse to get in. That's what it is. It's kind of like steroids in baseball. I'd rather hold myself back. I'll hit 26 home runs a year. I don't need to hit 45. I'll do 26 clean rather than 45 on the chunk you know what i mean it's just the way it is yeah longevity i want to be natural jimmy i want to i want i want to be able to look back and have my children be proud of what i've done that's all proud of these

careers proud of it damn it so yeah this is found on his farm which is not terrific at all obviously so uh he's he says i provided all the murder you know that i provided all the information that you've wanted for me i didn't do anything wrong they said well your story sucks they found your gun under a log on your farm literally it was under a log in a field rather than just bury it six inches under the ground he just put a log on top of it and was like that ought to do it meanwhile they're just going around looking under shit right you would have been better off just putting it in grass and letting the grass grow around it they would have had less of a chance of finding it fucking idiot jesus you wave a metal detector around that property you go this log is metal

just kick it oh would you look at that underneath this log you guys holy shit well the dishwasher made a metal so uh yeah they he ended up telling them like the area where he thought it was because he says that he finally after a while he goes all right fine i helped dispose the gun too uh but he lied to them at first he said i helped dispose the sue wanted to get rid of the gun so after we dumped sharon in the well we drove by the river and threw the gun in the river sue's a bad bitch oh sue sue doesn't take shit from anybody uh but they said that obviously that was a lie because the gun was on his property right so there's that uh they don't they said they weren't going to file any charges against him for that for lying to them that's he's got murder hanging over him that's probably enough so uh yeah it's it's fucking

ridiculous yeah he said he found the gun after they found it then he went all right fine i found He's got murder hanging over him. That's probably enough. So, yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. Yeah, he said he found the gun after they found it. Then he went, all right, fine. I found the gun on the ground outside a couple days after a couple days of the shooting. He goes, I was out there and I found the gun out there. I was like, oh, shit, there it is. He said, so I just tossed it along a fence row on my farm. That's where you found it.

And then a log rolled on top of it. That's what happens. You know how animals are. They're always hiding shit with logs logs like to treat guns like grenades and they just jump right that's the truth this is now safe i think it is i don't want a kid to find this and they roll it over it i think that's the way it works guns are super pro uh second amendment but they they would really appreciate they'll hide if they need to yeah they'll hide if they need to they'll hide if they need to they'll get right under a log if you need so so uh yeah he this is fucking amazing so but after the whole thing after this is that was the original after they found the gun or after they decided that uh uh you know it's probably a lie then he then he's talking about well he wants them to find the gun because

you're going to find her fingerprints on it. Sue's fingerprints. So it's good, right? They say, well, let's indict you anyway. So he goes to the grand jury. Now, in front of the grand jury, he's admitting that he helped put Sharon's body in a well and threw the gun away. But he wouldn't admit to killing her, though. He still is holding strong that uh it was sue the whole time

he said they got now he's got a new story now it's not even that it was an accident now he's saying they got in a fight that night now he's sue and sharon have gotten a huge fight at that night that night sue's got nothing to lose she's got no teeth to knock out he's making her stay in in a in a tent 50 yards away from the house. Looking for lights. Very nice. That's not a nice friend. Listening for lights. Huh? Put this listening device on your ear.

That's how we hear light. So they said they got in a fight. They also talked to Large Fry in court here when this comes up. Large Fry is charged with tampering with physical evidence there, but he is going to have to testify against Bobby Earl, obviously.

That's why he's going to get away with that and not some accomplice after the fact type shit. So there's a hearing here and the police say that they spoke to

Large Fry on June 28th and Large Fry told him that Bobby Earl came to his residence asking for help to put two bags of lime down the well uh bobby earl told large fry that he had done something that he shouldn't have done unquote uh they end up freeing large fry on bond that's because he's testifying uh gains though here bobby earl is in the county jail on half a million dollar cash bond which he does not have that's a lot of meth yeah he's like oh i gotta whip up a big batch way too much that's

too much of a batch god damn it so uh it comes around to the trial here and he the the da here the the prosecutor he's telling the jurors that his motive bobby earl's motive for killing sharon was that she was set to testify against him and that would have sent him to prison the fact that he had this gun and there was an assault thing because he was on some sort of probation or something so the prosecutor says that bobby earl knew that she was going to testify knew he was going to go to prison for the possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. That'll do that. He'd been previously convicted of drug-related charges in another county, obviously. No one who makes a batch of meth every week or two has no drug-related charges on their record.

So on the arrest before, there was a gun involved in that. They clearly took that from them. Oh, yeah. And now... New gun. He's got another gun. Well, yeah. When you're selling that much meth, you kind of got to have a gun around.

We'll figure it out. Yeah, that's what I would say. The prosecutor says of Sharon, quote, she was a woman who was trying to get out of something. She's talking about, she says, quote, it's super dangerous when you want to get out. He's talking about. The bad relationship. The bad relationship and her lifestyle. Right. Because he goes on. the prosecutors make no bones about they talk about sharon has a big meth problem she does a lot of meth and she does a lot of meth with him and it's a toxic

relationship and uh she wants to get out of that that's her whole goal and uh she told her hairstylist that she wanted to get out of this and everything else uh so uh now his attorney told tells the jury in his opening that basically how do you know who to believe in this case he says he's and this is an interesting case this is a weird thing that the defense attorney would say he says how do you even know who to believe everyone's involved everyone who's involved is on drugs or alcohol or pills so how the fuck are you supposed to know who's telling the truth he said somebody losing a life was inevitable here this is all true but also that makes doesn't make him less guilty right that's not really what doesn't make the crime no less a crime and

somebody less culpable this is what a commentator would say after watching the trial like obviously a death was inevitable when all the witnesses are on this this and that that's not what the defense attorney should say i mean we're all crackheads right who the fuck knows what happened let's just call it a wash it's not a good legal strategy so we lost one hey what are you gonna do so jesus christ she talked they talked to wilson her hair her hair person larry larry says that sharon had an appointment with him march 30th for a color and cut so that's a long time of sitting there he blocked off two hours for her that day that's how long that shit takes uh the prosecutor prosecutors asked him if he if she expressed

anything to him that day this is important he says uh he's about to answer that and the prosecutor uh he's about to answer and the prosecutor is about to follow up on it, and the defense counsel objects for hearsay. Well, Sharon's not here, so how the fuck are you going to say, how's he going to say what she said, basically? So the prosecutor said that, the prosecutor says that Wilson was going to say that Sharon told him she was afraid of Gaines because she had to testify against him on some gun charges, blah, blah, blah.

So Sharon had asked him to help her get a job so she could leave him, and she believed that she was in danger with Gaines. That's the whole point of this line of questioning. Prosecutor argues that the statements are admissible under a specific instance. this is an admissible thing it's an emotional or physical condition uh it's an it's an exception to the hearsay rule basically on this so they have a conference uh bench conference with the two lawyers and the judge

they talk about it and the prosecutor asked wilson a few additional responses and uh just a shit that was going on that day larry wilson says that's the last time he saw sharon but um after the appointment he said he made the appointments for the dentistry and she was supposed to start work and didn't show up but uh the way this goes they they decide that uh they're talking about whether whether they can ask him about that line of questioning. Now, rather than the judge making a decision right there, you know, because they're a judge, the judge delays the decision, says, finish your questioning. Not about that.

That was the end of it. And then I'm going to, he says, I'm going to talk to a professor that I know. I thought you were going to say a professional. No, I'm going to talk to a professional judge. I'm part-time he said he's gonna talk to a professor to try to figure out if this is legally okay this is a judge a judge is gonna try to figure this out i gotta find out legalities which is fine i'll be right back they do have to look there are a lot of laws in this look things up i guess but he's gonna talk to somebody get back to him tomorrow about it they pass new ones

all the time you know what um my reading ain't strong right now i'm gonna get uh you know someone gonna help me yeah read it to me so uh the the fuck man this is their whole case basically because the the prosecutors explained their the whole motive to them is that she believed that she was in danger for her life with bobby earl and she told somebody about that because she was going to testify which means that she was probably in danger for her life meanwhile there you go so she wanted a new job so she can get the fuck out yeah exactly now he the prosecutors mentions this in the opening remarks this is a big part of his case and then when he goes to back it up with lar Wilson's testimony, it's called hearsay.

And they're trying to figure it out whether it's hearsay or not. So the trial court court had at least two additional bench conferences about the testimony. And then finally, the court finally decided it would call a professor Lawson that night. Some guy named Professor Lawson advised the attorneys of its ruling the next day i'm gonna figure this out so uh the following day the court ruled that her statements to wilson are admissible and this ruling they said it falls within the exception for hearsay and all of this uh now this is not this is not a slam dunk case no we could buy any stretch of the fucking imagination so you need this so they recall wilson because they need this this testimony and they say they ask her did she relate anything to you about

you know bobby earl she said yes she did he says yes she did they said did you have a chance to observe her demeanor that day for two straight hours he says yes he did they they ask if she was calm or nervous uh that sort of thing what was her demeanor and larry wilson says well she wasn't much different than she usually is i guess that's meth-y jumpy i don't know uh they said so what about her appearance she said he says quote her appearance was normal i guess for her that's pretty bitchy what does that mean jesus um they is he what's his problem i don't know does he not like her no he seems like he likes me got her a job it's just weird her appearance is normal i guess for her for her like to add

that is why'd you throw for weird that's like she he made like a face like i mean you're gonna wear that right like it's weird so they said relate to the jury the essence of what she told you and uh he said okay well she talked about bob a lot but you're going to have to you're going to have to ask me a question i mean i can say she said a lot but i'm afraid that his attorney is going to say well you know like going to object to this he's like i don't know where i'm allowed to go here so he said well you answer the question if they object then we'll figure we'll sort it out from there so uh that's the that's how it works you don't just decide what you're going to testify to based

on what's objections are going to happen i'll take care of that part i'm going to try to get you to a place where they can't do that that's the whole point of my job you fucking moron me lawyer guy right you guy with answers guy with answers shut the fuck up unless i ask you a question don't worry about my legal strategy thank you sir but if i if i need a fucking color and cut if i need a blowout i'll talk to you later but until then does the salt pepper look nice does it look good on me how about it you asshole that's your profession this is mine oh my god so they ask her if the relationship they ask him if if she said the relationship was working or not and he said, she did say there was problems. And they said, did she express any concern for her safety?

And Larry says that she did. And then he says, quote, she said she was going to have to testify against Bob in court. She said she was afraid of what Bob would do to her. And they said, did she ask you for assistance? And he says, yes. She said that she was afraid of Mr. Gaines, thought that he might kill her, and that she wanted to move away from him. That's what he testifies to. Now, on cross-examination from Bobby Earle's attorneys, he said that he agreed, Wilson does, that Sharon and Bobby Earle have had a lot of problems, and this is not new, and he's never killed her before even though this is a constant source of problems which point it's a good point but also

the worst anybody in every OJ could have said that I mean I didn't kill Nicole the other five times the cops had to be called because I was beating the shit out of her none of those times she died like that's not in a defense of that so they asked him they asked wilson if if sharon had said she was going to tell bobby earl that she was going to testify against him and and wilson said that he thought she did tell him already and then he said that sharon told him that bobby earl knew she was going to have to testify and his impression was that since they were both charged with crimes as a result of a domestic disturbance they would both have to testify against each other in court. So that's how it comes out.

That's the basic thing. Like, Larry Wilson says, yes, she said that, but also she thought maybe he was going to testify against her, too. But she just was worried about his reaction to her testimony because, you know, he's crazy in her mind, in her statements. So the defense, their whole thing is sue shot him sue shot her sue shot sue shot sharon that's really hard to say sue shot sharon down by the seashore wow okay so uh they put sue on the stand and she says i didn't fucking fight with i didn't do that uh she was fighting

with ray i know that or she was fighting with with bobby earl all the time and the night she left she just went for a jog she says quote sharon and i have never even had any cross words no less an argument that would make it turn into a physical fight that would turn into a shooting it's like absolutely not now uh bobby earl obviously is just blaming sue for the whole thing uh he says that she was there looking for quote dental related help for her dental situation here and uh he's he's sticking to his story he even testifies on his own behalf this shit right into sue's face this is ballsy to get on the stand and testify blatant lies here he says he talked about and on the stand he talked about his methamphetamine business which is an interesting thing to talk about on the stand that's

endearing to the crowd in a murder trial in a murder trial that's endearing to the jury isn't it oh well he's a he's just a meth dealer i don't understand the big deal so he says he makes it every week or two uh you know he testifies about the large amount he made and he says oh they said well do you you use it or just sell it he goes oh both i fucking i started making it because i use it and then i was like shit i can make money off this and i could buy more stuff to make more meth holy shit this is great then i could buy more dishwashers to put in the woods yes so he said they are lucky that dishwasher was all together that's i'm telling you he's probably missing some parts i'm sure it's just the case of it right inside he's taken all got completely gutted it so uh he said that he'd been without sleep for three weeks strung out on meth

as his quote to the jury that's that's not a great quote and then he said and then you know then he explained what happened she went in the backyard with her hearing device and sue shot her and they're all looking around at each other probably like this guy's out of his fucking mind i don't believe any of this shit and uh the jury jury goes to uh they go in and they take seven hours to deliberate this seven hours this is pretty quick here seven hours and they come back guilty yeah of all everything yeah guilty of all charges they're um guilty of tampering with physical evidence abuse of a corpse murder you name it um he's convicted also of possession of a handgun by a convicted felon as well because he had the handgun on his property they said he showed no emotion

here it's a six-man six-woman jury they uh they come in his uh her mom was there peggy uh she seemed happy hearing the verdict and uh he also had about two dozen family members there. Really? Including his mother. Right. His ex-wife was there supporting him. Right. And his 11-year-old son sat through this.

Really? Why the fuck? Why would you bring him? Would you bring your kid to your murder trial? Don't bring your kid to your murder trial. Even if he doesn't bring him as family don't bring an 11 year old daddy's up for murder come on now we all go down together we all go down together we got to show everybody now you show your cute little face be extra cute now holy shit

this is crazy so during sentencing they uh they asked him if he wants to say anything and he says no but he does have a letter sent to the judge which i assume his attorney wrote a letter to the judge i'll blow you where he continued to profess his innocence which is not good for sentencing his mother was there too uh she broke down crying and uh also his son was there like we said um the judge acknowledged a letter he received from letters he's received both from bobby earl and from bobby earl's family and the judge says quote any murder is a tragedy not only for the victim but for the family of the defendant which is true yeah absolutely especially

for this for you know children in this their whole family's gone like when you see like a husband kill a wife and they have kids that's fucked up that's fucked everything's gone. Like when you see like a husband kill a wife and they have kids. That's fucked up. That's fucked. Everything's gone for that kid. So shitty. No father, no mother, no nothing. All gone. So the jury comes back here and the jury says,

you, sir, may fuck off. They recommend 30 years for murder and 10 years for the gun and then five years for the tampering and a year for abusive corpse all running consecutively. Oh, shit. All running.

So that would be 45, 46 years. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a good amount of time here. That's a steep one. I mean, if you get out in half the time, it's still 23 years. It's a good amount. Probably not enough for what he did.

It's definitely not enough. You know, I mean, he killed a person. Especially that he wrote a letter. I mean, she has a family. She has children, for Christ's sake. Methi or not. I mean, eventually, she person. Especially that he wrote a letter. I mean, she has a family. She has children, for Christ's sake. Methi or not. I mean, eventually, she was trying to get clean. And if she did get clean, she has a family.

Writing a letter with zero remorse is not a brilliant move. And to get that kind of sentence, I mean, granted, maybe. An argumentative sentence. Did they bang him for first degree? It's just murder, it says here. It's just Kentucky murder. Kentucky, a good old back back holler murder that's that's what it was uh he will be uh eligible for parole in 20 years though

on this and uh the prosecutor said i think the jury has spoken yeah now 2005 in april post verdict and conviction and sentencing, a letter is found. Okay. A letter and his attorney plans to seek a new trial based on this letter. These are letters that Sharon Ray wrote that were found two weeks after his guilty verdict were found in his home by his ex-wife. The mother of his kid was there. She had moved into the home to take care of the kid there.

And she found these letters, apparently, that she had written four or five drafts. I guess this was they were supporting. Basically, there were people supporting him and people from her family supporting him. And that saying that uh she's saying that this is important because the prosecutor made such a big deal about the motive they found letters from her that were written to the court to support him and even though she was supposed to testify against him in the gun charge oh she was saying like writing letters saying like look uh you know blah blah blah it was all my fault basically so they're saying why would with these letters why would he kill her if he was if she was doing this if she

was if if he was going to kill her because he was so mad at her but felt this way at the same time she had to testify then he probably said you write some fucking letters saying that i'm a good guy and then those letters didn't ever got mailed because they're meth-y and then you know they're found in a drawer and who cares, honestly. That doesn't mean that he didn't kill her. It means really nothing. His lawyer says, though, if those letters had been known,

they would have used that information during the trial and he wants a new trial out of this, basically. He said he saw at least one of the letters and the prosecutor said he's seen at least one of the letters and doesn't think there's enough reason for a new trial. Prosecutor says, quote, I will take the appeal very seriously, but I feel confident that justice was done. So here comes the appeal.

The appeal has nothing to do with the letters in the long run. The letters don't mean shit. So just like we thought, the appeal does have to do with Larry Wilson and his hearsay. Oh, boy. That's an issue here every time you say larry wilson i picture the ex-nfl player i know exactly two broken arms and he's a giant giant man with badass hips i know exactly i see him with crinkled up hands and bad hips on the stand talking about hairdressing i got her a job at a dental office. Right. Yeah. So they said they talk about the the the, you know, whether this is hearsay or not.

They talk about what he said. He just said that he she said she thought he was going to kill her. Now, he they're going on this that he said he's been her hairstylist for a number of years. So this wasn't just like a one time thing of like she came into a stranger and said this. And he said,'s been her hairstylist for a number of years. So this wasn't just like a one-time thing of like, she came into a stranger and said this. And he said, this is information. This is a man that she trusts. Yeah, it's not.

They're trying, the prosecution's trying to say, it's not so much hearsay of one particular statement as it is just cumulative knowledge. Right. That's what they're trying to say. And it's also words from a insanely, the woman, the level of trust that a woman puts in a man's hands to color her hair oh shit to make her look good oh my god that them whatever that man says about what she says

i believe the most yeah that's the most trusted individual in her life totally i totally agree here uh so they talked to her uh they again damn it her it. Her and him. Poor Larry. Fucking pronouns. Sorry, Larry. Larry is a man. Yes. So, yeah, he gets talked to. They talk about him. Basically, they're talking whether it's state of mind or not.

If it's her state of mind that he's discussing, then it's fine. But if it's a specific thing, then it's not fine. So, the court decides, quote, Ms. Ray's state of mind was not at issue in this case. I'll just say Bobby Earl here for gains. Bobby Earl denied shooting Miss Ray, much less shooting her in self-defense. He did not claim her death was either a suicide or accidental. Thus, the trial court abused its discretion in allowing the questions and answers pertaining to Mrs. Ray's concern for her safety and the fear that Gaines was going to kill her. The Commonwealth concedes that a victim's fear of a defendant is ordinarily admissible, but argues that in some cases there's some probative

value to the testimony. In this case, the Commonwealth argues that the admission of the statement was relevant to explain why Ms. Ray would fear Gaines. Further, the Commonwealth contends that while its probative value may have been limited, so too was the prejudicial effect that it was. Finally, the Commonwealth argues that even if it was an error to admit it, there's not a substantial possibility that the result would have been any different because of this, basically. Now, they say, though, in accordance with the conclusion to the hearsay statement that miss ray related that she believed gains was going to kill her we vacate the judgment

and conviction and sentence and remand the case for a new trial a new trial can fucking completely wiped away wow conviction sentence everything all over the hearsay overturned over that over having letting a hairdresser say or letting a hair person say fucking hairdresser hairdresser i don't know why i wanted to say a hairstylist but then i'm like no hairdresser cuts hair hairstylist just styles hair it's a different thing so yeah there you go he does all of it he does it all so conviction vacated here okay there is a dissenting opinion obviously uh, this is pretty good here. Respectfully, I dissent because I do not believe the trial judge abused his discretion.

The majority correctly hold statements regarding problems in the relationship. Her intent to testify against him in the upcoming trial and her plan to get a job move away were admissible. However, I believe the victim's state of mind was at issue since Bobby Earl claimed that a house guest accidentally shot her. He said that at that point, stating that the victim's mind is at issue when the defendant claimed self-defense, accidental death or suicide.

Accordingly, it was proper and fair to permit the Commonwealth to use the statement for purposes of rebutting inferences made by him about that. They're saying, hey, he claimed a totally different scenario happened. So you can refute that because why can he just make shit up and we can't? Well, because he's a defendant.

Defendants can make shit up. Those are his words. Those are his words. And you have to try to see if they're right or not. Words in a victim's mouth. So he waits for another trial. And we'll talk about it because it doesn't happen. No?

No. He never gets another trial. But in 2010, Robert Jr never gets another trial but in 2010 yeah robert jr gets a trial what uh old robert jr bobby rl jr here uh is he's got problems he apparently in in 2008 when he was 16 years old uh he knew a young lady who was 14 years old oh god who'd been friends with her and apparently uh he called her about midnight and asked her if he could come over to talk. And she told him no. But then he ended up coming anyway.

So she let him in. They went into her bedroom and he sexually assaulted her. He had intercourse with her and then left. She told a friend and told her that he forced her to have sexual intercourse with her. This friend called this girl's aunt to tell her about it. Good for you. And the aunt immediately came over and informed her parents, and then they called the police.

This is all good. This is good stuff. Well, not good stuff that had happened, but a good reaction. Good response. Healthy response. Not, oh, she's missing, hopeful i won't call the cops because then maybe she's on the lam yeah so they they went to the they went here uh they said she tells the cops that bobby earl jr forced her to engage in sexual intercourse twice uh they photographed

her she had cuts and bruises on her body it was a physical thing here uh you know articles of his clothing were there as well he left his wallet behind what geniuses all this whole family uh i mean in a in that post post uh orgasm haze i could see it i mean jesus christ dna evidence also from semen samples from him were obtained all over the goddamn place they all match him mean, it's it's a open and she went to his friend's house and raped her, basically. Then they went to his house. He admitted having sex with her, but said it was consensual. They took some weed from him and a bunch of pipes that he had there, basically sitting around. And they file a juvenile complaint about against him with the rape and all this type of shit.

They transfer it to the court based upon the prosecution of him as a youthful offender. They transfer courts. And he ends up being indicted on two counts of felony rape in the first degree and three drug counts here. He tries to introduce prior consensual sexual activity between him and the victim to prove that it was consensual. There should not be any sort of consent. She's 14. Exactly. That should never be a thing.

I don't know what the age of consent is in Kentucky, but I guarantee it probably ain't 18 down there. And at the same time, too, he is within two years of her, which makes it legal consensually. Not legal, but in some states that's okay consensually but no she's 14 i don't care if it's legal or not don't fucking jump on 14 year olds never put your penis and oh god it's so it's fucking disgusting so horrible the the kentucky makes an offer of a plea of of guilty to first degree to first degree rape charges here. And they offer him that he ends up taking it here. He is. We're talking potential sentences of 10 to 20 years with this whole thing.

They all they argue to recommend sentences run concurrently for a total of 10 years imprisonment. And he pleads guilty and they sentence him. You, sir, may fuck off 10 years in prison for him. As we can see here, it is unlawful, illegal sexual act with a minor under 16 years old and promoting contraband. That was a prison charge, actually. Sounds like maybe 16 is the consent.

Want to see him, Jimmy? Oh, boy. Look at this dildo. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is why you guys need to see him, Jimmy? Oh, boy. Look at this dildo. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is why you guys need to come to live shows. Face and neck tattoos and cornrows

and such a smile on this fucking jerk. He's a fucking dipshit. Anyway. You fuck children, you monster. He was up for parole. Well, I mean, he was 16.

He was a child, too, but you don't... Yeah. They could have been in the same grade. It's true. That's what I'm saying. If there's someone that sits next to you in history class, if you want to been in the same grade it's true that's what i'm saying if someone sits next to you in history class if you want to have sex with them that's a normal

reaction i guess 14 and 16 is too i can't hold i can't hold anything against a 16 year old boy for wanting to have sex with 14 year old girls all around him at school because that's what's around you and you're horny as shit but you have to let the wait till they let you that's the thing are you 14 in ninth grade yeah all right yeah that's 14 ninth grade i think you're 15 aren't you i was 14 and 9th really yeah unless you get held back or your birthday falls later i don't know my daughter's birthday is in september so hers is later she was 15 and 9th grade but it depends i think i was 15 and turned 16 if you got held back he could have been they could have both been in the ninth grade i guess you're right i was 14 and turned 15 that's what me too at the end of the year turned 15 wow but i mean it's normal

when you're a teenager to want to have sex with other girls but you can't you can't force them to if they want to great but if not then fucking leave them alone dude so he's in there he had a parole hearing in uh in in 2018 and was denied and they make him do the entire 10 he's gonna do every fucking minute of the 10 but he will be released on april 28th 2020 oh my god so he'll be out a couple months yeah he'll be a couple months yeah april so end of the month he'll be out uh enjoy that unbelievable enjoy that western k Kentucky. He'll be out moving around here. Yeah, they said usually... He is nine years and ten months into this shit right now.

Yes. Oh, boy. But some good news here, I guess you could say. December 7th, 2011, Bobby Earl drops dead. Suck it, Bob. I hope he fell down a well. I don't think he was in prison. No? Because it doesn't look like it. He's got a... he fell down a well yeah i don't think he was in prison no uh because

doesn't look like it he's got a uh that's not a prison headstone he's definitely been taken out he's in the jesus yeah he's in a real nice headphone headstone that's his birthday too that's it's him i mean he's buried in the tallinn cemetery yeah died december 7th 2011 they said he was a member of the general bapt Church of Tallinn. I bet he was. And he didn't die in jail. He had died at University Hospital in Louisville. Wow. Didn't die in like jail hospital or anything. In Louisville. In Louisville he ended up being, which will be

by the way. Yeah. So yeah, he's there. He's got survived by cheeseburger and large fry and his rapist kid and the whole deal. Yeah, it's perfect. His rapist kid went in the whole deal yeah it's perfect rapist kid uh went in prison uh before he died yeah yeah yeah then he dropped maybe he died of embarrassment i mean he should have died of embarrassment a long fucking time ago yeah this probably didn't

help him though i couldn't fucking help you to have your strength on him oh jesus now my kid's doing this too well i mean if you're a meth dealing lunatic and your kid was around that, your kid wasn't raised perfectly, probably, I'm going to say. The only thing scummier than what he did is what his kid did, though. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, yeah. Jesus, you can't even, absolutely. It's the only thing scummier than his scum behavior.

No, that's on the top of Scum Mountain. Right. There's a whole scum holler full of rape. Of children. That's rape holler right there. It's not good. Child rape holler down there. Child rape holler full of rape that's just no children that's rape holler right there it's not good child rape holler down rape holler i will because they're peers i'm gonna put it as less of child rape and more of just peer rape because she is a child and what that's true but he's also a child and they're you know whatever so i'm not that's not to say it's better i'm just gonna say

it's not like he's not 35 and fucked a child that's a way weirder thing than someone who's 16 kentucky's laws are some of the less uh more forgiving more forgiving on the on the child sex stringent of the child nudity well i mean jesus i mean let's be honest here i'd'd guess that Mississippi, Alabama. She's a pretty girl. I mean, I don't know what she wants. I know Idaho has like a really low age, too. Idaho's like 14 or some crazy shit. You're allowed? You're allowed.

Idaho's like 14. There's a couple real weird states out there that I remember seeing. That's so terrible. What the fuck did I see? Oh, Reno 911, actually. Again, I mentioned that. There's one of those fake ads where he's like, I'm go out with my lady friend tonight she is 16 years old we're gonna have a good time do some dancing then we're gonna go over the california line to do this and

he's like ho ho ho buddy now the age of consent is 18 in california it's only 16 in nevada what you need is this and it was like a card that had the age of consent in every state. Gross. If you need that, you are disgusting. If you need to know the age of consent in all states, that's... You're aiming too low. Super gross. Yeah, that is not good. How low can I go? If you...

Too low. If you need to know that information, what you also need is a therapist. You need a lot of shit. Fast today, tomorrow, within the next 24 hours, find a number to a therapist you need a lot of shit today tomorrow within the next 24 hours find a number to a therapist so that is to lean kentucky uh that is uh bobby earl fucking gains and and and large fry mcdonald and cheeseburger mcdonald and cheeseburger still out there cheeseburgers wandering cheeseburgers fine cheeseburger didn't get any charges none cheeseburgers just a cousin he's out there living his life large fry got some charges but i feel like he got off on him since he you know was off on bond and shit i can't fake large fry probably

is not the most dependable guy that you're going to release on your his own recognizance so they must have realized that he doesn't have that high of a charge a methed out fucking what a story guy who will dump lime on someone with no questions asked imagine if i said jimmy yeah we have to go in the woods uh right now i just need you to dump 100 pounds of lime down a hole for me you know i'm kind of i kind of see his why now because i don't know that i would ask you many questions no you're the only guy that i don't think that i would ask i just be like i got you i got you that's true i'd probably i'd look at you and be like what happened okay tell you what i'm gonna go do that then i'm gonna come back here i can't wait to hear this yeah we're gonna

talk about this story better be good on the car on the way back let's discuss and if i'm pouring this on a 14 year old i'm gonna fucking kill you that's gonna be a problem i'm trusting that this is a deserving person in this hall. That's what I'm trusting. You know? Because, I mean, I trust you as a person. So if you had to kill someone, it's probably necessary. I'm trusting that it wasn't to keep you from being. I can't wait to hear it.

Oh, it's going to be a good story. Anybody else, though, I'm going, no. What? Yeah. You. You do it. No. I think what they're insinuating was like that's his meth guy yeah so if you want more meth later which he most assuredly will uh you better dump some shit down a hole for me and then you get more meth if you're if you control

the meth in a holler you're really the king of the holler at that point right gotta be king of the holler baby how about that uh hillbillies can make words just by throwing er on just a mispronounced word and it's a now a word and they do with everything how does a hillbilly say vagina yeah vagina 100 and they do too yeah all vagina i've heard him say a vagina yeah so a terrible two r's and a word that has no r's terrible word came from the mispronunciation of what the what the other word is whoa you lost you know what i mean no it's a word the only word that i don't say came from a mispronunciation of a real word that's that's real that's a fact that's true that's just the mispronunciations become words in hillbilly culture.

Oh, it's true. And they just run with it. Yeah. And they'll get mad if you challenge them on it. How dare you? How dare you? It's a holler, God damn it. It's a hollow.

What the fuck are you talking about? You fucking asshole. So, Jesus Christ. Man, everybody ready to move to rural Kentucky? I am. Oh, well. So, can't wait to be there this week. I'm going to come visit.

Yay. Well, we'll be in Louisville, which I assume I've heard is a civilized part of the state. And then we'll be getting the fuck out of there, going back to Arizona. But we are excited to do that. And that's the show. What you need to do right now is, if you have not done it, give us five stars. Get on wherever the hell you go. Apple Podcasts, the purple icon.

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It's a cool place to walk around. And we're going to do two late shows, Friday, Saturday night, late shows. Come have a late night with Small Town Murder. It just works. It'll be fun. And it's fun. And the Friday show is pretty close to sold out. So get your tickets to that.

And then buy up that Saturday and finish that off. Follow right out. They're pretty close. Saturday is not too far behind. Both are close. Yeah, very close. And then March 27th, 28th, Detroit and Cincinnati. Keep those going.

Also some- Again, another one. I'm blown away with the response from Detroit. Yeah, thank you, guys. Almost sold out there. That's amazing. It's going to be crazy this whole thing. And Bogart's is close, too.

Right. We keep saying it. Nashville, the 7th and 8th are both sold out. Austin and Oklahoma City, May 8th and 9th, again. Sold out? They're pretty close to sold out. Even Austin is sold out, isn't it? I think there's a few.

I think there's like 50. Both of them have under 100 tickets left. I know that. Boston at the Wilbur, there is a few scattered singles in the balcony left, and that's it. Otherwise, it's about over. It's like 1,100 seats, and you bought them all. Amazing. New York and Brooklyn, May 23rd.

Again, this is like under 100 tickets left for this, and it's the end of May in Brooklyn. So get your tickets there. Seattle, again, under 100 tickets left for Seattle at the Neptune, June 5th. June 6th, sold out in Portland. June 7th, almost sold out in Portland. Again, at the Aladdin. It's wild. There's a few cities that I have to have some words with here.

Who's that? New Orleans. Get your shit together and buy your tickets. When is that? We are coming to New Orleans on July 31st. What the shit are we doing that for? Sweating our fucking balls off, fighting mosquitoes. You realize I'm skipping my kid's birthday for that?

And you realize you've asked us to come there, so you fucking buy your tickets there another one i've uh bone to pick with you san antonio san antonio right now you are the low man on the totem pole of all of our cities you're the worst selling fucking city we have we're going to four goddamn cities in texas yes you san antonio we're not going there for our health you asked us to come there so buy your goddamn tickets to it. Everybody else is doing great. Atlanta, Buckhead's almost sold out. San Jose is doing great.

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you for that thank you so much for reaching out and doing uh everything that you did kate graham uh other uh other producers this week are kate graham zo uh Andrea Samples or Andrea, Douglas Harris, Kelly Snap, Michael Warwick, Rachel Peterson, Janice Hill, Sarah Surridge, Dylan Irish, Amanda Knight, Scott McDonald, Brendan Ables, Jessica Christensen, Joshua Austin. Yes. Jesse Hartman, Kimberly Borboni. Borboni. We're on a roll today. I know. I was just thinking the same thing.

Killing it, dude. How the fuck am I doing this? Loving this. Susanna Platt, Ashley Veo, Albert Mueller, Lisa Edwards, Manch Sanga's son is having a birthday, and he had a tough two years, man. The past two years for that kid have been fucking bananas. They're rough. Hang in there, Manch.

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Thank you so much, Liz. And thanks for the past couple of years, three years, four years. I think she's been around since the start, too. Yeah. Your support has been fucking incredible. Thank you. Stephen Rood, yours as well, man. Mark Sharp, Kopee,ushane james larusa uh

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didn't say their name so i have no fucking idea who that is emily you're great it turns out you're an amazing woman so happy happy valentine's day uh leon wegman garcia garcia a cane i why did i put in a space that's a last name oh i put garcia a cane and that's not right i'm sure of it james snell trent ellis julia haza jenny arnold uh and loading chris crowe donated both ways thanks chris banjo dope uh matt phillips scott davidson katrina wilcox vittoria gaby or gabay uh steven patched uh he donated both. Yeah, thank you. Peach. Pact. Zach with no last name.

James Lipton. Probably not, right? Tell me, what's your biggest fear? What is your favorite word? What is your favorite curse word? Matthew Kroll. Robert Willis. Harrison Albert. Neon Cheon. Tia Jones.

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Vincent, Peter, Is that Peter? A-let, I think. Elizabeth Kelly. Zach. No, Rachel. I almost said Zach-le. Zach-le. That is not Zach-le.

Zach-le. That's for sure. Rachel Speedle. Jeannie Ashley. Jordan Gooch. Probably not, right? Gooch. Nobody's last name is Gooch.

Maybe it is. Different strokes. Jan Peckenbacher. Pecken-renner. Peck-brenbrenner okay it's all right on back uh all sir all full circle i'm an idiot jose sanchez aaron mccarty stephanie tuba uh kyle kyle bailey karen karen flage laura lauren groff hale or haley matinen, this is that fucking tough one. Matinenen is not right. Candice Blaylock.

Oh, look, we got one. Emily Cole, Nick Van Getzel. Gestel. Shit. Jennifer Hughes, Kathy Simon Simmons, Brittany Thornton. Jennifer Hughes, I said. Alexander Barker, Baker. Andrew Exline.

I was doing so great. Don Mayforth. Mallory Rutt Rowe. No, Rutt Roski. Rutt Skoski. You got Rutt Rowe out of Rutt Skoski? I don't. What the hell is wrong with you?

I did. Sandy with no last name. Meg Stamkey. Gary Thompson. Savory. Almost said slavery, it's spelled that way, Emily Siloa, Jorge

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Glenn Monterosa. Rondi. Is it Ronda? Ronda Campanello. Jen Johns. No, Jennifer Jones. Carrie Chiron. Carrie Gage. Kevin Goffey. Melissa Day, Home Stretch, goddammit.

By the way, we forgot Joe and Carrie in Portland. Yes. Sorry, in the beginning. Yeah, they've been amazing to us. For fucking four years. Yeah, we love them. I've stayed at their goddamn house. We love them.

You're amazing. Thank you, guys. We forgot. It was a big miss on our part. Big swing and a miss. Yeah. Shmook McBoop, Kyle Carson, Caitlin Praitlin pruner prumer uh tristan natalie jen bateman uh shanna colbert just test stoops crystal with no last name colin davich no

yudovic colleen davich colleen yudovic phil wall jamie havel chris crowe again the guy donated both ways thank you adam slade bennett uh drew deering jeremy spalderick courtney cheney jen anderson melanie no melanie god damn it melanie melanie what he's not a person no it's not melanie somerville melissa chai jalezia romero mccabe and i'm dragging into the finish line with lindsey hand you guys are honestly fucking amazing thank you everybody so much honestly for everything you do for us keeping the show going and just keeping us in business we really really appreciate it uh jimmy what if people wanted to tell you how much they appreciate you how could they do it

you can find me at wisman sucks w-h-i-s-m-a-n sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat thank you guys for being a part of this i really appreciate it where can they find you james you can find me at jimmy p is funny or just copy and paste my name from the show description to make life easier on yourself but with that said thank you for everything this week we cannot wait to see you guys in indianapolis and louisville and uh we just can't wait and uh for you guys we'll see in a couple days but for everybody else until next week it's been our pleasure bye hey prime members you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.

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