Small Town Murder - #163 - Teenage Killer Lesbian Vampire Werewolves From Space in Humble, Texas

Episode Date: March 19, 2020

This week, in Humble, Texas, a regular, blue collar family leads a seemingly great life, until the lady of the house is found in her own bed, stabbed 73 times. There are plenty of leads, but they all seem to cancel each other out. Was it a home invasion? Her husband? Her lover? Teenage lesbians? One is just as plausible as the next! One of our craziest episodes ever!! Along the way, we find out Texans really like their oil, that sometimes people confess to murder for no good reason, and that love can't exactly conquer all!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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The rest of you are friends. People with a sense of humor and a good dark sense of humor, too. I like you guys. You guys sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Okay. Let's go on a trip. Yes.

What do you say? Well, we're stuck. We can't go anywhere. So let's go. They haven't shut that down yet. So let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go to Texas. Okay. Oh, boy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Three years ago, we went to Texas. We can't go anywhere. So let's go. They haven't shut that down yet. So let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go to Texas.

Okay. Oh, boy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Three years ago, we went to Texas. We drove. This week. We drove to South by Southwest three years ago this week.

And it was a horrible hellscape of, geez. We got there, did the show, got right back in the car, and drove another 15 hours back because we couldn't afford to stay another night in the hotel room. That's how sad it was. That's the exact reason. That's exactly didn't have 84.95 we're like we can eat subway one more time or we can i don't know that's that's the money we have here so thank you for doing that but we're going to texas all right we're going to humble texas today yeah humble texas that's the whole state isn't it it's no texas is the least humble state ever. Are you kidding me? I mean, the weather.

Their motto should be a guy with a giant 10-gallon hat firing off a large caliber handgun. That's not humble. With his cock out. With his cock out. Waving it at a woman. That's not humble. There's nothing humble about that. And there's a big star tattooed on it.

Yeah, a giant star fucking carved in his lawn. It's not humble. So, yeah, this is southeastern Texas down there. It's all panhandles in lawn. It's not humble. So, yeah, this is southeastern Texas down there. It's all panhandles in Texas. It doesn't matter. They say this is a panhandle, but one sticks up. One's going over there.

One's going to the south. This is the one going almost to Mexico. That area is southeast. Southeast. This is over by Louisiana. It's 20 minutes outside of Houston. It's 20 minutes outside of Houston. It's like a suburb of Houston.

About three and a half hours to Dallas up north there. About three hours and 15 minutes to of Houston. It's 20 minutes outside of Houston. It's like a suburb of Houston. About three and a half hours to Dallas up north there. About three hours and 15 minutes to San Antonio. All of which we have scheduled dates for, by the way. We'll be October 22nd in San Antonio, 24th in Dallas, and 25th in Houston, hopefully. Actually, we should be there by then, so get your

tickets for those, please. We'll be there. And it's also 45 minutes over to Magnolia, which is our last Texas episode. So, yeah, it was like 121, I think, that episode. Here, it's in Harris County, which is where Houston is, too, I believe. Ten square miles, kind of a normal-sized town. And their motto is, quote, where people make a difference. Oh. Yeah.

What the fuck else does? I don't know who else can make a difference. I hope they do. Where where people make a difference oh yeah what the fuck else does i don't know who else can make a difference i hope they do where the trees make a difference where the horses make a difference the horses are all where our cattle count jumping right into it our cattle council here this is oil country okay we'll talk about here the uh the first settlers started to come here in the about 1828 is when they figured it out. A guy named Joseph Dunman. And then they built a ferry across the river over here. And then it became an area for commercial activity once you could cross a river. As it always is.

You set up by water, figure out a way to float your shit out of there, and bring it to other places. The place got its name from one of the original founders whose name was pleasant smith humble pleasant pleasant humble my christ is that a man or a woman man pleasant humble you think they named shit after they didn't call women founders back then even if they got there first they were like you got there then told your husband about it and he found it perfect hey bob found this thing yeah yeah his wife told him about but he came in and looked about it and he found it perfect hey bob found this thing yeah yeah his wife told him about but he came in and looked at it and found made sure it was good she didn't know shit they didn't give women credit she said oh look there's some stuff over here yeah for you to

found yeah now he founded it he went by the nickname of plez about plez by the way pleasant nickname is Plez. What up, Plez? Yeah. Kind of like that there. He opened the first post office in his home. Imagine having everybody's shit in your house. No, thank you.

You're really knocking on your door. I got you this. Go away. You don't have relatives over there. You don't have any friends. Leave me alone. Go. What do you got, the electric bill? There's no electricity.

They're leaving their mail in his living room? He sits out of his house. The post office is in his damn house. That's awful. You've got to section that off. He was justice of the peace later and everything like that. Then he also operated a fruit stand. Very exciting, I would say.

He was also a wood dealer. So there's that. And then he ended up being an attorney. He better have been a nice man with a name like that. Pleasant, humble, I would say. So a postmaster fruit stand yeah fruit stand a year and uh and a wood dealer is a turned justice of the peace turned lawyer justice of the peace that makes sense that's normal it's a normal progression right that old happy humility over there no shit in 1876 the town was a flag station on a railroad the rail it was known as the rabbit

this railroad because passengers would shoot rabbits when the train stopped on the way from houston to shreveport what yeah there was a lot of rabbits here so apparently they would pull up and everybody would just stick your guns out of the train start fucking shooting rap they didn't get out and get them they just shot him we're like on the shreveport that was literally what they did so they called it the rabbit wow what a weird time so it's 1876 america everybody bizarre time to be very strange so uh the a lot of uh lumber and agriculture in this area uh in 19 in 1880 1880 that is the population of this town there were 60 people there was 10 white people and 50 black people in this town which is rare for back then and the black people were they a black group of people ran the lumber mill in town so this is like

a this is like a kind of a black run town almost which is yeah and rare for back then yeah too in texas progressive for texas yeah it was just yeah they went out there it was land uh not bad good job everybody so the uh a guy named charles bender purchased the town site here and established a commissary where they would have script basically and then turn turn the whole thing into a you know a money extracting yeah screw the workers type of a new way to make those black guys work for a new way yeah to turn them upside down and shake out their pocket change that's what they did there so by 1887 though they had hotels and general stores the sawmill was going they had a church they didn't open the church

till 1896 which is shocking usually the church is first before a post office even. But 1900, oil was found here. In 1904, C.E. Barrett is the guy's name, drilled for oil. And he found a small, got a small claim on Moonshine Hill. Yeah. Which sounds awesome. Sounds like it's good oil in there. And C.E. Barrett, another guy with first and middle initial. Yeah, C.E. Barrett up on Moonshine Hill.

That's some old school shit. Pocket watch hanging out of his vest. Absolutely. And a big fat guy with first and middle initial. Yeah, C.E. Barrett up on Moonshine Hill. That's some old school shit. Pocket watch hanging out of his vest. Absolutely. And a big fat belly he can rest that watch on. And he smokes a cigar that looks like it's always in his mouth. It's like chewed halfway. It's almost gone. Looks like a backwoods, but it started out.

It's always almost gone. How does he do that? And it looks like it's out, and then he puffs it and smoke comes out. Somehow. There's no smoke coming out of that, and then you made it smoke again. So the first oil was produced here. This was a few years after the Beaumont, Texas oil discovery. Through here, the first tank car of oil was shipped out of Humble in 1904.

By 1905, the Humble oil field was the biggest producing field in Texas. Really? This was oil central in America, basically, this town in the early 1900s here. They're still active. There's still some oil fields there. Obviously, it's not the biggest anymore. Houston does pretty well, though. Houston does well.

If you go to Houston and just go out and talk to people, 75% of them are somehow in the gas and oil business. They're like a recruiter or something. Everybody's in that business. Either that or they're a homicide detective. I've talked to like eight people in Houston. It's like six people that work for gas and oil and a homicide detective. And a couple of lawyers. And a guy who gave me weed.

So that's who I'm finding in Houston. So good people is what we're saying. Anyway, these fields here this was the town was the home of humble oil and oil and refining company which was the predecessor to exxon so they were one of the companies that ended up being in exxon here and then the oil boom kind of receded and people went back to doing farming and dairy farming and some timber there and this was a real small kind of quiet town up until 1969 when they opened the houston international airport which is close to here

and so then it became you know it's it's a more desirable place to live it's right by the airport it's outside of houston when you wish one houston started i think that one yeah i think i think that one's bush yeah that's what i a h yeah that I-A-H? That's what it says on your luggage. So I found some reviews of this town, which are always my favorite thing in the world. Love to see what people are thinking of it while they're there. Here's a couple of two stars, a three star, a one star. Let's start out with a two star. Here's one quote.

I like that Humble is a small town and everything is convenient. The police are a small town and everything is convenient the police are a bit harsh and busy you do not hear a lot about uh of a lot about of crime in humble neither okay exactly somebody could use some schools yeah i don't think the schools also i'm gonna go buy that i'm gonna add to the review poor english classes in schools uh two stars here this is very simple two stars there need to be changes made yep not there needs to be there need to be changes made period they do use a period that's i give them that that's pretty good stuff here's a two star the houses all look alike and are very close together they are also overpriced as we'll find out from the real estate report it's pretty cheap there pretty inexpensive here but maybe they're pieces of shit and overpriced maybe they're just

yeah uh three stars here that's a three-star review coming up here humble is not the safest area but yet it's not the worst to be the worst to be i love how people write these the humble school districts has its ups and downs just like its community oh texas te school districts has its ups and downs just like its community oh texas texas has its ups and downs and you wonder why you're laughed at come on jesus it's not just how you talk it's the shit you say come on man jesus christ you sound like stevie buy tickets for those shows in october prove us wrong. How's that? Now, here's a one-star review. This person, very upset with this town.

Oh, boy. And you can tell exactly what they're upset about. I love when they have one beef and they're going to put it in. Very specific. Very favorite ones. One star, quote, Humble has their traffic lights and cameras set for entrapment. That's the first sentence, so you know what you're getting into here. Somebody who had a ticket that they just couldn't fight.

They couldn't get out of it. Couldn't get a fuck. Their picture was right there. Tried to pull that constitutionality thing where they're like, it's not here to argue its case. I was traveling in my vehicle. I wasn't driving my car.

You see assholes on Live PD say. And they go, that's great. Get out of your vehicle then, stupid. I'm a sovereign citizen. That's great. We're going to have the dog sniff your sovereign ass. See if you have any drugs vehicle then, stupid. I'm a sovereign citizen. That's great. We're going to have the dog sniff your sovereign ass. See if you have any drugs on you, Mr. Sovereign.

Sovereign motherfucker. Where's the heroin, Mr. Sovereign? It's always some real cracky dude. I'm a sovereign. It's never like a guy in a suit. Sir, I'm traveling in my vehicle. It's never that guy. Never like a well-dressed black man who looks like he's the pastor of a church who's coming through going oh sir i don't understand what you're saying

it's ridiculous it's never that guy it's always a scraggly little white guy i'm traveling in my vehicle just fucking cooperate just stop it jesus christ so answer the fucking questions they have their lights and cameras set for entrapment by the the way. Entrapment. How do they entrap you to go faster? That would mean that they tell you you should go faster and then bust you for going faster. That's entrapment. Let's get a cop waving people. That's what I mean. Come on, speed it up.

There's a cop with a sign up saying 75, and then he puts it down and puts the 35 back up and gets in his car. Woo-hoo. I got him. Entrapped his ass. Okay. Set up for a drive-in. When going through an intersection on green, the traffic light suddenly changes yellow and red before you get through the intersection,

setting off traffic camera, which results in getting ticket in the mail for running a red light. That's a fast light. Nothing like fleecing the public. Like there's an officer with a button. He's like, car coming, car coming, red. Got him.

Is that what's happening? If it is, I'm a harpologist. Jesus, that's terrible. Jesus, that's awful. So, yeah. I got a ticket in Texas. I get it. No shit.

This place had under 2,000 people until 1970, and then it started to kind of double in population every 10 years from 70, 80, 90, double, double, double in population. Now, people in this town, 15,736 doomed souls here working the oil fields, up 30% since 1990. It makes sense. A suburb. A lot of suburbs have gone up since then. We have more females than males, which is a strange thing for usually when it's younger, it's going to be more equal. But here it's almost 54% female.

That's a lot. Which is a lot. A lot of the ages here, normally almost 38 is the average age in this country. Here it's 33 is the average age. A lot of 21 to 34-year-old people and a lot of zero to four-year-old kids. So a lot of young people with kids, it seems like. Or that oil field work is just super dangerous and you don't live past 38.

Maybe that's it. People just dropping dead at 33. Or exploding on the oil field. At 33.1 in an urban cowboy type situation. When there's an accident at the plant, you never know. Now, married population is lower, as it usually is with a younger age. It's about 44%.

It's usually 50-50. Everything else is pretty normal. It's not too crazy. Race of this town. This is an odd one for us. Race of this town, 23.3% white, 32.7% black, 2.3% Asian, and 39.2% Hispanicic so it's a different town than than we're used to covering honestly it's usually it's mixed up and it's nice it's very mixed up uh it's not very nice and but that has nothing to do with the race of anybody that just has to do with it's the fact that it's

in texas it's just a nice fold it's just a humid place on a flood plain but besides that it's wonderful yeah and uh yeah the people there are so nice to us in Houston, though. They really are. They really are. I enjoy going there because the crowd is always awesome there. I always get way too fucking drunk. Yes, they're very generous. There's always people trying to give you weed and booze,

and they're very generous people in Houston. We enjoy them a great deal. We have religion here. Over 60% are religious, so it's it's texas it's pretty pretty religious we got the majority are well 15.8 percent are baptists so baptists are sort of the catholics of sort of somewhat sort of south as a majority right so kind of south west-ish but not really texas loves to be called the south but 19.1 catholic because there's a lot of hispanic people so that's what you get here 0.6 jewish oh oy vey y'all the fuck what the hell

is that i made a shitload of money in oil shalom three percent islam in this town that's weird too yeah it's not unexpected anyway not weird just just unexpected. In Harris County, which includes Houston as well, last election, 54% Democrat, 41% Republican. So it's a little less conservative. In the cities, that's how you're going to get it. If your small town shares a county with a city, it's going to be in there. Unemployment rate here is slightly high, but it's at like 4%. So that's right with the rest of the country. Not for long, but for the rest of the country there.

Median household income is low, though. The median household income in the rest of the country is almost $58,000. Here it is just under $39,000. My word. It's a little bit low. And you see that with the younger generation, the younger crowd with kids. 38% make under $30,000 a year here, which is tough. And all the over $75,000 a year demographics are all low.

Not a lot of people make real good money here. There's a middle class here and kind of a working poor. And then there's not a lot of rich people. It's not a rich suburb. It's a middle class, blue collar kind of a working poor, and then there's not a lot of rich people. That's crazy. It's not a rich suburb. It's a middle-class, blue-collar kind of suburb. I can't. It's so hard to wrap my head around that. That's like our family this week is like that also.

I made that money. It's not easy. It's brutal, man. Life sucks. It's a hard life. It's a hard life, but it really is. You've got to watch everything you do. So here you get a lot of the jobs.

There's a lot in transportation and warehousing, weirdly enough, and a lot in food services, strangely. I don't understand that. It's not like it's a tourist town who's coming to see the oil fields. Who knows? There might be a lot of those steel griddles. Is that what those were called? I don't know. What were those griddle restaurants called?

Waffle House? Was it Rusty Griddle or some shit like that? I don't know. One of the people that worked at one of those. They're truck stop griddle restaurants called? Was it Rusty Griddle or some shit like that? I don't know. One of the people that worked at one of those. They're truck stop griddle restaurants. They're not there anymore? No, they're everywhere. Oh, they're everywhere now.

I didn't know. They're still out there. Oh, okay. I don't pay attention. They're truck stops. No. There was a girl in one of our stories that worked at one. That's right.

I forgot what it was called. Yeah, I can't remember that either. It's not the Rusty Griddle. I'm sure of that. No, I remember that too. I don't think many people would eat there. Son of a bitch. The Rusty Griddle?

That sounds good. I like rust think many people would eat there. Son of a bitch. The rusty griddle. That sounds good. I like rust flecks in my eggs. Perfect. I left one in my fucking sink and that's what it is now. That's perfect. Cost of living in this town. Overall, 100 is regular average par. Here it's about 94, but housing is the low thing.

Housing is a 70. Median home cost here is $162,500, which is way under the national average. A lot of houses in the $100,000 to $150,000 range that you can actually find to buy. And speaking of that, if we've convinced you, damn it, the only place for you on this earth is Humble, Texas, we have for you the Humble, Texas Real Estate Report. have for you the humble texas real estate report your average two-bedroom rental iron skillet it's about eleven hundred dollars god damn it yes son of a bitch uh two bags found here or rusty griddle or one of the two i found a rusty rusty skillet. A two-bedroom, two-bath. It's a duplex. It's like attached to another house, but there's a yard around it type of

thing. 1,250 square feet. $82,253. Affordable. It's affordable. That's what I mean here. Then I found this. I'm going to stretch out a little more here. Three-bedroom, two-bath. 2,137 square feet. That's what a lot of the houses are about that size in

this area it's good stuff yeah it's texas so they built them a little bigger there this one 261,950 though not affordable not affordable it's a nice house it's like stone and stuff it's not like you know it's tough to live in it's that's hard then i found a three bedroom 2,603 square foot. This is on three and a half acres. Horse fixings. Yeah. Horse stuff. I don't know. Places to keep horses.

It's got a big pool. Horse amenities. Horse amenities. There you go. Horse fixings. Perfect. $849,000. I'm sure they call them fixings.

Yeah, fixings. Here's where you keep your horse fixings. Own in here. You mean the barn? Horse fixings. You where you keep your horse fixings on in here you mean the barn the horse fixings you know what i'm talking about the fucking stable jesus christ no they're fixings around here that's where the fixings are call it the fix and keeper things to do in this town uh museums there's a couple museums there's a a DeLorean Motor Company is here. Oh, that's awesome. That's there. That's where they started.

The only remaining private factory based in Humboldt. DeLorean's only remaining. They still build them? Apparently. I don't fucking know. Or maybe it's just standing there going, that's where they built them. That's where they did it.

I'm not sure. If you don't know what that is, it's the car from Back to the Future. Yeah, it's the Back to the Future silver car with the wing doors. And also, yeah. AMC? I think it was AMC. What? AMX what amx i don't remember yeah but i'm trying to remember the the name of the brand of the company uh delorean was the model i think it was dmc delorean that's delorean motor

company oh got it delorean is the company john delorean the guy the cocaine you know that story yeah yeah robert evans says he tells it great in his book anyway humble humble good oil days oh god yeah the good oil good oil days not good old days some bad ones good oil days oh good old days those motherfuckers that's what they're trying to do here so bad i didn't even get it it's it's a pun yeah and then what happens there sounds awful also so what happens when you sausage a place, James? That's right there. Here it is. Okay.

The Thursday we have the senior health fair. Can't wait for that. That sounds exciting. And then after that, the sip and stroll join us on Main Street to meet our downtown business owners. Okay. Sounds great. Music on Maine.

Enjoy live music. It doesn't say what it is. Just live music. Also that night, carriage rides. A horse and carriage is the perfect way to take it all in. Okay. Great. 6 to 8 p.m.

They also have the photography exhibit opening reception. So that's going to be nice. Friday night's when it really gets kicked off, though. 7 o'clock with the blowout street dance. Oh, now we've got specifics get down street dance block party with live entertainment dancing local brews at the bar food trucks and a mechanical bull okay so there is this is this place is urban cowboy it is uh grab your friends and join us to kick up your heels on main street two dollars or twelve dollars

pre-sale tickets 15 bucks at the gate to do blowout street dance. Basic bitch shit. Jesus. Saturday, April 4th here, a Good Oil Day street festival. They got a kid's zone, a famous plant sale. They're famous plants. Look at him. This is Jay Leno's?

This is a plant. It was in Mrs. Doubtfire in the background. What the fuck is that? This is an An. It was in Mrs. Doubtfire in the background. Fuck is that? This is an analyze this. She's boomtown and uptown, which is an early 1900s replica of an old oil town. Ooh, oil gush contest. Oh, how do you do that? Take a chance on when the boomtown Derek will gush one winner every hour.

Watch out for the splash zone. Gross. That sounds disgusting. Kids dress up costume come dress in your best rendition of an old oil town resident specific person or doing it are we supposed to just look like an oily person i don't know sure that could go so many ways live entertainment also the show opens with louis louis ad Adams Diaz and the well-known Radio Live Band. We all know of that. Very well known.

They'll keep the dance floor going on until the end of the night, it says. West End Party. Also, join them near the Humble Street Cafe or Humble City Cafe. Oh, and then finally, Sunday, April 5th, the Houston Barbecue Festival in Humble. It's at the Humble Civic Center and Arena and Expo. Your favorite barbecue joints will be back for this one. All sorts of them. I'm not going to name them all.

$50 pre-sale general admission tickets. Holy shit. You better be noshing. How much barbecue are you going to eat? There better be so much food. $50? $50. Per person. Oh, no, no no fifty dollar general admission sale on now limited time sixty dollar regular price this is the pre-sale price here uh this includes entry into the festival and

unlimited sample portions from each participating barbecue joint wow so you have to buy shit also and then there's a hundred dollar pre-sale vip admission now here it's 120 regular this includes uh a t-shirt and a drink literally a t-shirt it's everything the other one has and a t-shirt and a drink for an extra 40 is it a beer or is it a soda what just says and one drink ticket i bet it's a dollar a t-shirt. I bet it's a bottle of water. And you can go to houbbq.com to get those tickets now, everybody. This is horrific. Yeah. Crime rate in this town.

Yeah. What we're interested in. Besides the highway robbery right there. Besides, yeah, that's part of the crime. Yeah, that's the theft every year. And there's a lot of it. Crime rate, property crime, almost three times the national average on property. That's a lot of fucking crime.

Yeah, they're stealing like crazy. Then violent crime, maybe because they're in retaliation for charging that kind of money for barbecue. Murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is twice the national average. So for a nice little suburb, this place is popping off with some crime. You see some shit every day. There's some shit going on here. It's not easy to live.

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early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts away let's talk about a lady first let's talk about a lady uh let's talk about a lady named marianne allen okay marianne is born in september of 1964 she's a houston texas girl yeah So born and raised in Houston, Texas. Her parents were together. Very kind of a stable family. Stable upbringing. And she's a very stable person. And she will always be a very stable person.

She gets a job at the Texas Department of Public Safety at age 19. Is that the fucking highway patrol? Yeah, public safety. The DPS is like, they do all that shit. And like roadside help and all that crap too independent texas woman yeah she's doing that from the time she's 19 she'll work there for the duration just for you know decades she'll work at this at the texas uh dps here uh she gets married uh marries a man named don murphy yeah get married you know early 20s here don murphy don has a strong mullet yeah and i mean strong mullet this story's gonna go up to 2012 yeah and his mullet is not he hangs on to it it's not resting man it's not resting it's just going

strong it's stronger that's the thing pictures of him from like the 80s, he's got a mullet, but it's kicking like, you know, it's resting on the shoulders. 2012, his mullet has just expanded down his back over the fronts of the shoulders, and in the front, though, all business, man.

All business. I'm talking He clearly hasn't left Texas and found out that that shit's a punch line he could manage a bank with half of his head and then the other half he couldn't get a job drywalling with the fucking mullet he's got going on back there you know mustache yeah he looks like a guy you go you get a blue collar rural texas guy you get that guy that's the one that's what don looks like but uh everybody says a decent guy don nothing wrong with him just doesn't know just doesn't know to fucking trim that mullet

approximately 35 years after he should have he just doesn't know to turn that shit into a haircut now yeah because if you've grown that's the thing you've grown it to an ability to get a haircut yes now get the haircut get the haircut we were. Now get the haircut. Get the haircut. We were kids in the late 80s, early 90s when the mullet went out. Yeah. And there was like a, it was almost like a day where it was like one day it was fine and the next day you'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with that guy's hair? Dude, what are you, in 1984?

Trim that shit off. Remember that time? Yes. And all the kids in school that had mullets were like they had to get rid of them. They had the spiky hair on top and the mullet. Gone. That shit was gone.

Yes. 1990. It was a hard stop. It was a hard out. You had to stop it or else you were, no girl in school was going to talk to you.

Forever. Or know anybody. Anybody that remembered it wouldn't talk to you. Right. You had it too long. That's the thing. And I remember in high school

there was a kid that had a mullet and I don't know why this kid that still had a mullet and i just called him i don't even know what his name is and i never found out he was in my homeroom for four years yeah never found out and i just called him mid-80s that's it and i'd say i'd talk to him and be like what's up mid-80s? How's it going? Call him Midzy sometimes and shit. Just, yo, Mids. And he'd know, what's up? He'd turn around. He knew. Unbelievable.

But he just left it. Maybe he didn't know that that's what the Mids meant. Oh, I explained it to him. I explained it to him. You don't think I explained it? I didn't just make fun of him. Yeah. I talked to him. I was, you know.

At least you knew. He's a nice guy. I didn't mind talking to him, but I had to tell him. I'm going to ridicule you. I got to tell you why. That a nice guy. I didn't mind talking to him, but I had to tell him. I'm going to ridicule you. I got to tell you why. That's the thing. I don't. I need you to know that I'm fully making fun of you to your fucking face.

You've seen me say mean things to people. I always explain why and exactly what I mean, usually to their detriment. Listen, I don't mean that in a good way. Just to let you know, you've been looking for, I see the look on your face. You're trying to find a way to make, it's not good. I'm insulting you. You've earned a nickname and it's not going it's a shit nickname you're stupid that's why yeah so that's what happens here so mullet guy here don murphy but like i said decent guy hard worker it just happens to uh also his follicles work hard too in the back and he likes

to keep him strong i don't blame him yeah they have two kids and so they're living a nice little american life here they got a little suburb they move out to humble their kids are born in houston then they move out to humble their children are they have a boy first oh i have the boy first named scott yeah and then a few years later they have a daughter named kerry yeah so it's uh nice little life for these people they're they they hold it together they're a nice they're like a blue collar couple dad's got a blue collar job he works overnights what does he do you know i don't know what he does it's something uh yeah something he does nighttime mullet work i'm not sure well that makes sense that's how you get the job you've

pigeonholed yourself into with that fucking hair so yeah we Yeah, we can't bring him in 8 to 5. He's got the mullet. What are you going to do? Overnights. Okay. You're going to come in overnights when no one can see you. But no, he's a hard worker, man. He's working to support his family, you know, and they have a nice home. They have a nice, clean, one-story family home in Humble in the suburbs there.

Nice little yard. It's an American story. Very nice stuff. John Cougar Mllencamp strumming a guitar good shit here and uh you know big enough home nothing extravagant but big enough you know deal like a raised ranch type of deal here stable family life for the kids mary is marianne here who's now marianne murphy right after she marries don she is a real rock, Marianne. She always has this job at the DPS, and she's very kind of emotionally steady and dependable. Kids know that she's a good mom.

She's always there for them. She's interested in their lives. She's not just like, I don't know. I'll be drinking. So see you later. See you when you get home. Or if I'm here. I probably won't be, though.

So is she a cop, or what is she doing? No, works yeah she does office work for the for the dps yeah she's not a cop at all um not the best marriage they don't have um that's what i mean this is they are such a just very average run-of-the-mill people you know a million people like these people everybody does look around go outside stick your head out half your neighbors are these people scroll through your phone 50 that's these people look on your facebook page yeah you have an uncle named don with a mullet that works overnights and you're like holy shit we know these people is what we're getting right marianne or linda may or whatever marianne murphy whatever your aunt's name is yeah she was it's weird that she was mary ann allen

alliterative names are really hard for me why would you do that very well yeah it's hard mary ann allen you want to say mary allen ann yeah for some reason but anyway they're they're not having the best marriage but they are keeping it together they have two kids yeah they have a life right it's one of those things where it's like i don't know we'll just figure it out later and they're not crushing it uh monetarily so they're probably just like look well this is what so we're supposed to do this is our life right so we'll make it work and that's it's like on family guy that one time when when they're laying in bed and peter goes lois are we going to get a divorce and she just goes let's just get stewie to college and take it from there we don't have time to deal with this like not yet let's just get stewie to college and then

we'll figure it out like they're just gonna hold it together it's one of those things don's a bit of a drinker yeah which i mean it comes with a mullet yeah you don't just have a mullet and work overnights and come home and drink apple juice fuck the job you don't see that hair and go sober guy right no a couple of pops there i feel like anybody in aa before they'd go into it they'd cut that mullet off for some reason it would make them feel like that now they're cleaning up i'm changing like in a shitty movie when someone's like making a physical transformation like i'm gonna change and then like you see them shaving their fucking facial hair cutting off their right you know what i mean one of those things or when a girl goes crazy at two in the morning,

chops off her bangs. One of those things. Guys do it, too. It's certainly a personality change. Because the personality that I now represent and present to the world does not have this haircut. Exactly, exactly. So now, you know, it was a tough time back then.

I was... Every night, it was the women. It was the booze. I'd start with the booze. I'm not going to lie. I'd start with the booze, and I'd have a beer. I'd have another beer. And it would always lead to liquor. See, that was the women. It was the booze. I'd start with the booze. I'm not going to lie. I'd start with the booze and I'd have a beer. I'd have another beer. And it would always lead to liquor.

See, that's the thing. Because then it would give me a taste. I'd say, well, this buzz is good, but I want a harder buzz. And then next thing you know with the cocaine. By the end of the night, I got some Loretta running her fingers through the bottom of my mullet. Next thing you know, the wind's just flowing through my mullet. And I've had too many. And I'm driving. And there's red lights behind me and the blue and they're flashing

and i'm driving i ain't stopping i ain't stopping and i'm like hold on raquel we're about to jump the hill and then uh so i'll be here every wednesday for three years is what i'm getting at they're making me they're making me come here it's is not voluntary. Neither was his haircut. I was in jail for a month, so they just chopped it right off. They said it was for the life. They said I had to do it. I'm sorry. So they're holding it together, like I said.

Mary pushes the kids academically. Pushes the kids hard academically because she sees that, as a lot of people do, as a way for the kids to have a different and better life than them not that their life is terrible but hey you do real well in school maybe you can go to college or you can do this and you can do something else that will you know just get you out of so you don't have to work overnights kind of a thing so uh scott apparently does very very well in school uh he oh things come easy to scott he's good he's good in school he's good with friends he's a very very he's got it together and the teachers know it like when carrie follows him

if carrie has any of the same teachers they're like oh you're scott's sister they're like excited like oh wow and then the groove and knew how to do it exactly but then they're disappointed by carrie yeah because carrie doesn't quite live up to it opposite but my life yeah and she and she are you're you're scott yeah no i'm certainly i'm certainly very good girl uh i'm the young one Doesn't quite live up to it. Opposite, but my life. Yeah. Are you Scott? Yeah. No, I'm certainly the girl. I'm the young one that's the boy. You had a sister?

Yeah. I have a sister. I didn't have a sister. She did fine in high school. Yeah. And then I'd come through and they'd be like, oh, you're Melissa's brother. Oh, yeah. Okay.

All right. You sure? You sure about that? Because you are. Mrs. Hahn kicked me out. I failed that one. Nice. Then another teacher. Same course. Biology. Failed that also. you sure about that because you are mrs han kicked me out uh i failed that one uh then another teacher same course biology failed that also i failed that one three times that's perfect basic

ass biology oh man i'm just dumb i feel bad for my little brother who's in new york because he ended up going to the same school as i did i'm not sure if we had any of the same teachers but if we did they were like our last name is very distinctive they're gonna go you go, oh, you're not going to be a dick, too, are you? Probably what they said. He's like the nicest guy, too. He's not like me at all when it comes to that. He's a nice person. He would say something and mean it constructively.

Whereas I'd be like, no, I meant it to make you feel like a dick. So you'll think about what you're doing, stupid. He's not like that. He'd wander in there. You're not going to be a dick, too. And he's like, was somebody else a tip your brother oh say no more say no more oh yeah yeah i'm not like him at all no no i'm nice so uh scott does well in school carrie doesn't do that great in school but you know she's getting

by and but they're pushing the kids academically and doing a good job. Now, we'll go to July 16, 2012. Carrie is 40. I'm sorry. Mary Ann is 47, the same age as her husband there. The kids are Scots in his early 20s, and Carrie is a freshman in high school. She's 15 years old at this point. She's just finishing up her July. She's just finished her freshman year in high school.

So she's a teenage girl. She's just finished her freshman year in high school. So, you know, she's a teen teenage girl. It's a Sunday morning. Well, I'm Saturday middle of the night. We'll say kind of a thing here. Dad, Don, Don, the mullet just heading out to work. And and the brother, Scott, is also working the night shift. Not together in different places. So I when I first read that, I'm like, oh, it is like urban cowboy.

That's just the same thing. This is awesome. And then I found out they're working in different places. God when I first read that, I'm like, ooh, it is like Urban Cowboy. It's just the same thing. This is awesome. And then I found out they were working in different places. God damn it. I was very disappointed with that. I picture him. Now, come on, Scott. Jesus, I got to teach you how to work this rig.

And there's like steam going everywhere and sparks and shit. You know what I mean? He's like turning a big wheel. It opens up some kind of spigot that lets oil out. I don't know what the fuck goes on. He has black shit on his face. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a hard hat. Even though if anything anything fell on him it would just crush him into the ground

like a fucking ant that would not mean anything he's waste 30 tons put your hard hat on those guys are like eye beams that are like fucking ridiculous weight no guys at the world trade center building a building they got a hard hat why you could be that thing is gonna come out your asshole if that you could be naked with a bullseye on your forehead you're just as safe it's just as safe it's just as safe you got steel toes on good because they're gonna be they're gonna cut your fucking toes off it's ridiculous that's what i mean so stupid that is hilarious thanks osha thank you great i got my hat on i'm safe feeling much better now this big dumb hat on that makes me look like an asshole yeah it's perfect it's noon and people

are driving by pretty women i'm single they will never talk to me i always think about that whenever they show minors yeah they get like trapped places then it'll be like oh they'll pull them out and then here they are they're covered in soot and they still have their minor helmet on and I'm like the helmet isn't the major concern not as concerned about shit hitting me in the head as I am about being trapped underground hundreds of feet that's the main concern

you've figured out my head that's all taken care of how about make it so it doesn't collapse on me I always seen them get drug out of those holes and their hat is no longer on their fucking head. That happens beneath the earth somewhere. There's no fucking way that guy's going back in to get it. No, he's not. He just had a near death experience.

My hat's in there. Fuck the hat. Hold on. I got to get my hat. Huh? Like good fellas. Fuck your hat. Not going all the way to Rockaway because you, or was it East New York?

It's Rockaway. Not going all the way to Rockaway because you need your fucking hat. I'm not flying without it. It's my your fucking hat. I'm not flying without it. It's my good luck hat. I don't fly without it. So we're driving out to go get her hat. So we're going out to get her hat next thing you know. So what is she going to do?

What am I going to do? She wants her fucking hat. I got to get her for it? They weren't cops. If they were wise guys, we wouldn't have heard nothing. We wouldn't have heard nothing wouldn't have heard anything so uh it's a little after 1 a.m on that saturday night in july of 2012 when a 911 call comes in to dispatch here and it is carrie on the phone the 15 year old just turned 16 year old daughter here uh and she is frantic

and out of breath and freaking out and she says says that someone broke in the back door of their house. There's glass broken. She heard her mother scream, and she ran out of the house. So that's all she knows. Carrie ran out of the house. Carrie said she ran out of the house. And they said, where are you? She said, I'm at the next door neighbor's house.

Next door neighbor happened to be sitting outside, or two across the street, happened to be sitting outside in his yard. I don't know why. At one o'clock in the morning, literally at one o'clock in the morning, just sitting in the yard. Counting license plates. Probably looking for suspicious plates. Carrie, luckily for her, she runs out, sees this guy, goes, holy shit, you got your phone

on you because she doesn't have a cell phone at the moment. And we'll talk about why soon. But so she asked, can I use your phone to call 9-1-1 my mother blah blah he gives her the phone she calls um and uh the neighbor is a guy named maurice or marcus cox he says she said her mom was screaming loud and i did think i heard a scream but i didn't know for sure i just thought it was maybe some kids down the street he said so he was like i don't know if i heard a fucking scream or not but she said her mom screamed and she ran out of the house someone runs up to you and says i need to call 911 oh shit here you go i don't know it must be an emergency so it's a smaller town like i said

it's 15 000 people here when someone says someone just i heard a bang broke in my house and my mother screamed i ran out in the yard cops comeops come like it's everybody. All hands on deck, man. And they are speeding there. They're not breaking up a million other things. They get there and they get their guns blazing because they just heard that someone broke in and they heard of a scream. They didn't hear of anybody exiting. Nobody said, I saw him running away.

They might still be in the house. So they're thinking there's an intruder in this house. So they go in through the already open back door and they do, you know do the clearing thing you've seen it yeah in a line it takes a minute they have to be careful they can't just run in swinging anybody here until you get shot so they go in they have a very every it's weird too if you watch live pd every department has a different way they do it yeah totally different some of them have a guy standing right next to them with like a guy with a shield some of them have a guy standing right next to him with a guy with a shield. Some of them have. It's very strange.

They all have different ways of clearing houses. Strategy is not uniform throughout the law enforcement world. It's weird. I assume there's probably like two, three major ways to do it. And then the departments, through different things happening, alter it for their own ways. I'm not sure. But so they do a room by room search. All those protocols are written in

blood oh you have to do that yeah that's all in their training based on mistakes made in the past but you see them they do even when it's something that's clearly not a threat they have to do it it's part of the protocol it's fucking horrible well yeah why they have to do it so um they go room by room guns out flashlights the whole deal looking and uh they're going through the whole house it's just the one floor so i mean it's not like it's a sprawling house to go through living room bedroom nothing nothing nothing can't find anybody in the house till they get to the end of the hallway and enter the master bedroom that's when they find something that they probably wish they didn't have to see uh they find uh marianne is on her bed and she is definitely not alive, and there is blood everywhere.

All over the room. It looks like somebody put M80s in a bucket of blood, and that's what the room looked like. It was a spatter fest. I mean, Dexter would have went nuts in here. It's one of those places where you went, whoa. You'd walk in there and go, I never want to see shit like that again and leave it's fucking crazy um so she's very dead she right away they look at her and they're trying to figure out what happened and they see their stab wounds and they're like they can't even begin to count them no it's more stab wounds than you could count

without an autopsy that type of thing just without cleaning it up without cleaning it up and and having a medical examiner literally go through and count that's how how it's just absolutely a horror show in there so uh very scary turns out she was stabbed 73 times that's a lot 73 and they were they were uh some defense wounds, arms, chest. So that's all it was, was stab wounds. All stabs. 73 stab wounds. Face and then very, very, you can tell there was some concentration on the throat.

Very deep and repeated gashes at the throat as well. Somebody didn't like her. Somebody didn't like her a lot. A whole lot. We did when the guy stabbed somebody like 90 times and we said one stab and we were talking having a whole conversation stabbed her in the face a hundred times a hundred times we're having a whole conversation over it how many times that's how it takes time to stab 73 stab 73 fucking times see how long it takes because also when you're stabbing into stab into a piece of chicken right the knife doesn't come out right pull right pull

so it's you need a second and then to refocus so it's a lot of energy coming out yeah as much as it is going in exactly you got to do that again so it's like stabbing somebody a hundred times it's crazy yeah it's obviously crazy but um so while this is going on police are finding this carrie the daughter she's outside with the neighbor and the police are with her at this point she's like out there in her night clothes she's got like shorts and a thing on so they you know they're with her and they give her a blanket and all that shit and uh she's telling them what happened she calls her brother at that work her brother scott and says there's a break-in mom mom's dead they just told me mom's dead and she's freaking out so scott is at work and imagine being

at work at one in the morning, getting that call already, not happy about that, already not happy about that. So Scott says he freaked out and called his dad at his job. And they said, Oh, I guess we're all going to the house. So dad dropped what he was doing.

They let you leave early if your wife gets murdered. So, you know, you come home. So dad got ahold of dad on his cell phone. Dad ended up meeting them at the house, met Scott. And so Scott and dad and Carrie's already there. Everybody gets phone dad ended up meeting them at the house met scott and so scott and dad and carrie's already there everybody gets at the house ends up at the house

now police are investigating this obviously and looking into it they see 73 stab wounds and vicious ones on the throat real concentrated this is clearly someone's angry aimed at her this seems personal yeah this is not your usual random. But you never know, because if you get someone that's on enough meth, they might fucking have 73 stabs in them before they realize what they're doing. Somebody that really needed that VCR tonight. That's what I mean. Someone who's breaking into a house to steal shit might just go. They don't know.

So anything's on the table when it comes to stuff like that. And in a town like this with a lot of, you know, kind of property crime, drug shit like that, anything's on the table when it comes to stuff like that. And in a town like this with a lot of kind of property crime, drug shit like that, anything's possible. So they're investigating it while they're doing this. They're moving around Marianne and they find under Marianne's pillow. They find something. It's a fully loaded, unfired 22 pistol Under her pillow, man. I mean, she is not fucking around, this lady. And her brother says that they're like, you know, she's been

shooting guns and she could hold them. And she's no joke with a gun. Crack shot. Yeah, this gun is not to make her feel better. This is to shoot people with if they break into her house. She's all about that shit. It's Texas. You know, what do you want? These people are all armed down there. So for that shit to still be under the pillow, that means somebody got her without her knowing.

Had to surprise her at least enough to where she couldn't get to it or, you know, try to get to it at all. Yeah, it can't be. She wouldn't have heard a noise and then gotten attacked. She would have had that gun out in a heartbeat if she heard a door breaking open was the was the thing here. So also they go through the house. Nothing is missing from the

house no robbery nothing they sent after they get the her out of there and everything they send they go through with you know is anything missing not a fucking thing is missing from this house it is jewelry in the in the jewelry box you know credit cards and a wallet sitting there nothing taken so this is obviously you know perplexing for the cops here not perplexing but it's they're ruling out robbery with such a personal attack and nothing taken so they don't they don't really think anyone random did this uh the back door like i said was already open when the police arrived what they found back there was it's one of those back doors that's a half window it's got a top part window like a

storm door really back so that you can open the top only no no no not one of those dutch doors it's just like a storm door that's the bottom is like you know corrugated metal or whatever and then in the other the top is glass or any kind of doors that are half glass the glass is on top so you can see who's there okay so they find the glass is broken and they find a brick out there as well. They find a brick laying out in the yard, shards of glass everywhere. So they're going, OK, brick window door. This all makes sense. Obviously, the only person they're thinking who might be able to help at this point, other than possibly forensics, when that comes in is Carrie, because she was there.

that comes in is carrie because she was there um so uh the the detective here who is sergeant craig clopton he interviews her outside just you know any info at all did you did you see anything a shadow even was it you know they have a hat on anything um so they want any info that might be able to put them on the trail before this person can get farther away right obviously because they showed up from when she called. They got there in three minutes. There was cops there. So they're like, hey, if this happened fucking 10 minutes ago, we can set up a perimeter and maybe be able to stop this guy. Whoever it is got to be covered in blood. So, I mean, won't be too hard to spot them if we set up a roadblock or we can do something here.

And she says, I just I don't know. I don't have any information. She ran on down her night. She said I was I was at the dining room table. Mom was in her room kind of late from the whole late evening. I don't know what she was doing, but she said that she was at the dining room table until about midnight scrapbooking. So, I mean, she's doing some some Saturday night scrapbooking who has one wants to do one has want to do. Yeah, she's scrapbooking until about midnight. It's a long night of scrapbooking who as one wants to do one has want to do uh yeah she's scrapbooking until about midnight it's a long night of scrapbooking it's a lot of work we don't know when she started

but who knows i mean those those uh button brads she scrapped some books that night man she did some stuff the stickers that say summertime other things that you put i don't know what else you'd put in a scrapbook baby block stickers what are you putting a scrapbook you never you never did it what are you doing with scrapbooks what's happening what's in there i had to do what's in your book i had a baby what'd you put in it well we put like i remember the book where you put like you put like a sticker of the first poo yeah you put the first not of the but you know the wrist thing in the hospital the knuckle thing in the hospital you put like a newspaper for when they're born. You put all that crap in there.

Pictures of shit that they've done with some stickers and some buttons. I don't think she was doing that. For a fucking airplane. What is a 16-year-old scrapbook about? I don't know. Fucking prom? Not even yet. Jesus.

Scrapbooking about Katy Perry? I don't know. What was going on in 2012? That's all I could think of. As a teenager? Who fucking? I can't imagine. I don't have in 2012? That's all I could think of. As a teenager? Who fucking... I can't imagine. Have any idea.

A full page of Harry Styles? Maybe. I guess. I think that was before that. No, it was around then. It wasn't around then? I guess so. Maybe.

That might be right before them. I don't know. One Direction? I don't know. All I could think of for pop was fucking Katy Perry for 2012. Probably close. She was up everybody's ass at that point. katie perry for 2012 because i know she was up everybody's ass at that point so uh she said she got tired and you know put the old scrapbooking will take it out of you it's exhausting work

mentally for sure very difficult work so she said i gotta get to i gotta hit the hay yeah the scrapbooking's taking it out of me she said uh she laid went upstairs you know whatever got comfortable laid down but she said right before she could fall, she was just drifting, just about to drift, and she heard a big, loud crash at that point, right then. So she said she got up and went out of her room in the hallway

and into the kitchen to see what was up, and just then she saw that the back door was open and the glass was broken. So she was like, oh my god, thinking that maybe this person's right next to me then she heard her mother scream and she went holy shit and just booked it out of the back door good move that she was looking oh fuck i'm out of here yeah what's what else we're gonna do let me investigate i only got no no this isn't a friday the 13th movie she's smart she's

someone's screaming i better check it out maybe they need my help sounds like they're choking 16 year old girl in a nightgown is really going to make a difference in this situation, I feel like. That's the next victim. She's going to be the difference maker, I feel like. So probably not. I don't know. Maybe she has a.22 under her pillow. I'm not sure.

Got an AR in her undies? Yeah. She's whipping it out. It's Texas. You never know. I have no idea. You teach your daughter to sleep with an AR in her undies. Now, listen here now.

The liberals are going to tell you not to keep an assault rifle next to your genitalia. I'm just going to tell you right now. Not even the liberals. Either the real crazy people say you shouldn't have guns pointing right at your genitalia. I'm here to tell you you should. I'm here to tell you you're warmer that way. Not with the safety on either. What are you, some kind of pussy?

That takes an extra second to take off. Then what are you going to do? What are you going to do when they come at you, some kind of pussy? That takes an extra second to take off. Then what you going to do? What are you going to do when they come at you? Hold on a minute, sir. Let me turn my safety off. Hell no. Sometimes you lose some genitalia. That's the stakes of the game, pal.

This is Texas where sometimes you lose a ball. And that's all right because we are gifted with a couple extra inches because we know that we're going to graze a couple in texas we have three balls if you're born within state limits you have three but even the girls got three balls just in case they're for shooting really they're for shooting and still having virile-ness to spread throughout the land see that's how it works because we're gonna lose one oh we're to shoot it off. It's going to happen eventually. Maybe have like a mule kick it when we're, you know, just a horse be bucking on me. You might fall asleep on your couch and your best hog eats one off.

You never know. You don't know. Because they're rooting. They're rooting. You never know. You got your boxers on, one done fell out the side. It's a hot summer day. You know, loose ass balls get jangled.

As a baby, mom lose track of you. You shit in your diaper. There you go. Fall asleep in the lawn. Done. Takeass balls, get jangled. As a baby, mom lose track of you, you shit in your diaper. There you go. Fall asleep in the lawn. Done. Take a nap. There it goes. Pig eat your baby.

That's what happened. The pig will get your piglet. Lost three of mine that way. Lost all three. Three of mine shot off one ball, pig ate off another. All I got left is one ball, no kids. So, now that goes. One ball, no kids.

One ball, no kids. that sounds great so quite the quite the life there so yeah she she said she ran out like we said and ran next door to get help there's that so uh carrie like we said is just turned 16 they take terry or carrie uh the daughter here down to the station to get a you know full written this in the yard in the dark, they're getting a statement. So they take her down, they're like, hey, let's sit down, have a Coke and relax and talk about what happened so we can maybe, because when things happen fast, you don't remember things. If you sit down and think about it, you might go, you know what, I actually think maybe

I saw this or I heard that. Also, they bring Don and Scott also come to the station just to, hey, you know, anyone who might have killed who could have wanted to hurt your wife and mom. And of the three who's going to be least traumatized by this. Those are the two. Yeah, those are the two. They weren't there. Exactly. They didn't they didn't, you know, hear a scream at 15.

If my mother got murdered in the same house I was in, I would lose my shit. Exactly. And especially if you were home when it happened. Oh, Jesus. I heard something. I didn't even see it. I heard it. Yeah. house i was in i would lose my shit exactly and especially if you were home when it happened oh jesus christ i heard something i didn't even see it i just heard some of it yeah and i know what was happening now that's when i heard that that's rough yeah boy so they sit don and scott down and say anyone because i mean don you know her obviously you know who she consorts with and things like that sleep next door yeah Anybody that might want to hurt her.

And they say, no. Scott says, I don't know who want to kill my mom. What the hell do I know? I like her. She's my mom. You know what the fuck? Now, Detective Clopton, Sergeant Clopton, he thinks right off the bat that Don's demeanor is strange.

Doesn't like Don's demeanor at all. No. He said Don doesn't seem upset. Doesn't seem distraught. Doesn't seem like zoned out. Those are like, because there's different ways people react to death. And they always say that. Some people go like a zone out and they're like, they're just in like a state of shock.

Some people are just distraught and they can't be talked to. Some people are upset. They cry. They have outbursts. They're trying to solve it. Yeah, trying to solve it. It happens. And people, there you go watch

first 48 and watch when they do watch when they do notifications it's the saddest fucking thing in the world but that's you know a parent or someone's real people react completely differently some of them just start crying some of them will sit there completely stone-faced and go what happened who did it and then they'll cry later some people just kind of go into a thing where they're not answering questions they said he didn't don didn't fit into any of these categories he just quote didn't seem bothered by it oh that's what the detectives that's what clop and said quote he didn't see he just didn't seem bothered by it so not even he was just like yeah so what happened now got a flat tire earlier that pissed me off when they gonna stop dropping nails on the street

very strange ramen's not gonna stog itself i'll get back to work yeah exactly like i said it doesn't have to be crying there's several correct reactions but that's some shit huh buddy that ain't one of them is that what he said no but that's that's the demeanor he had basically that clopton said was you know that's some shit huh buddy i'll tell you what i better get back to work but you know that's shit making it work itself. It's a very bullet response, though. Yeah. That's some shit, huh, buddy?

Yeah, that's my... I was just taking his brain and mine for a minute there and letting him possess me at the moment. So the neighbors then... So the cops are a little suspicious of Don and his reaction to this. You'd think you'd be able to mount some kind of... For your wife. Some kind of something. The mother of your children. Yeah. You're still married to still married you've been with her for 25 years too you'd think you'd be able to

holy shit jesus even if you hated her guts you think you'd go fuck that's terrible i know her real good there's lots of people i know people that die that i don't like yeah and then i'm like oh i still feel a little bad about it i'm not just like whatever whatever. For the most part, there's a couple people here and there. I'm sure that I can find somebody. They have to be super hypocritical. Well, that's what it has to be. I don't mind. It's not necessarily just hypocritical.

Or a total dick or an asshole. It's the complete just maltreatment of anybody around them. If they can muster that to be a dick to everybody, then I'm just like, ah, too bad for their mom. Too bad. Yeah. Oh, well. My mom's going to cry. that to be a dick to everybody yeah i'm just like ah too bad for their mom too bad yeah oh well my mom's gonna cry then they're they're they're a vile human being which by the way we're doing that if i have to drag jimmy by the scruff of his neck to do vile human beings in the

next month and a half vile human beings will be a thing they'll be started yes we will start it and it will be a thing we'll keep you updated there we've been working on that and threatening it that's and threatening it but now it's like in thing. We'll keep you updated there. We've been working on that. And threatening it. And threatening it. But now it's like in serious, like, wait, we're planning. So it's going to be good stuff. So yeah, ain't that some shit, buddy, here, is what he says. So the detectives are like, let's talk to some people and see who knows them. And kind of, let's get a lay of their marriage and find out.

Because they asked Scott, and he's like, I don't fucking know. They seem fine to me. You know, kids don't know what the hell their parents' marriage is like. It's normal. I don't know. They fight sometimes. And generally, you don't really have a comparison as a kid that's the other problem is because normal right you just figure everybody's parents do their shit and then whatever you see is it's just a tip of the iceberg there's way much under there and your parents

generally don't sit you down and go let me tell you why your dad's a dick right he did this and this and this and then i said this and he was like oh my god you're bringing that up that happened last week and i'm like well yes because it's still relevant and that doesn't happen normally you just leave your kids out of it until you go to a friend's house and see the somebody else's dad like dote on the mom or vice versa or both yeah you're like holy shit are they supposed to do that yeah you damn your finger there my house that was weird yeah oh shit are you okay with this. Why didn't they just slap her? This is crazy. Slap her around.

Like my dad. Yeah. But they're like, they seem normal. I mean, they have fights, but they're not bad people. They're not like usually, the cops have never been called to their house. There's no domestic violence. There's no anything like that. Normal married people have been married for 25 years.

They have two kids and bills and shit. They fight sometimes. That's life. Now, they talk to some neighbors, and the neighbors say that they fight a lot, these two. They're always fighting. They say, Don's a little much with the drinky poo. Don will tip a few back, and they'll fight, and that sort of thing happens. Never violent or anything, but they'll yell and scream at each other.

Life frustrations. Life frustrations. And the neighbor said that don often sleeps on the couch which why the fuck do they what's a fun conversation they had to the neighbors because what do you know why do you know that that's what i mean do you see it how does that happen he goes over couch again oh man my back hurts why that damn couch is the worst to sleep on let me tell you about my bitch of a wife that's like is that the conversation he's having they just sit on the cat on that patio all weekend and see the fucking living room light turn on and see don lay down the opne sleeping on that guy in his lawn chair that was waiting for to call 9-1-1 there he is he hears some scream and

then he sees the living room light on he's's like, there goes that fight. Three, two, sleeping on the couch. There he goes. I've been in this yard for about 11 years now. So anything you need to know about this neighborhood, I got it pretty well taken care of. I got a couple of notebooks in the house. I keep some notes in, license plate numbers. This is Corey Feldman from the Burbs. Yeah, that's what he is.

That's my picture. He's hanging out on the porch. Hey, what's up, man? So the neighbors are suspicious of Don at this point as well. And they tell the police that, too. They're like, I don't know, man. They fight a lot. He sleeps on the couch.

He bitches about her. I don't know, man. If she's dead, I don't know. That's my thought, is what they would say. So the police are like, all right, let's check this guy out. They check his job to find out if he was really at work or not, because he's supposed be at work that night and they find out he was 1000 at work that night okay never left worked around other people that saw him the whole time so nothing there he if he did it's not him he didn't do it himself so that's you know why would you that's the other thing so they say tell you

what don um we'd like to would you mind if we take a look at your phone records and things like that? How about we do that? So Don and Scott both voluntarily give up their phones and say, yeah, no, look through my shit. Look up my stuff. They grease the process so they don't have to go get an order and all that. It's all voluntary. They do it. So they start looking into the couple's phone records to see if maybe don had

somebody do the deed while he was at work because that's what they're thinking like if there's a call at 12 53 saying if that's two seconds long like it's done and hang up maybe that's what we're looking for here uh so they're doing that uh because he has an alibi while they're doing this they're looking at everybody's phones now Now, they're looking at Marianne's phones, too, just to see if, who knows, you know? So, while they do this, they do find something out while they're looking into the phones. They find out that someone's been fucking around on the side, and it ain't Don. God damn, Carrie. It ain't Don, and it ain't Carrie, either.

So, Marianne's been having a little fling. Oh, no. They find out. He has been talking. Now, Don, they move him aside yeah that kind of moves him aside then they're like wait a second what if he found out about it moving back in so now it's just confusing once you put another guy into it now that's two people that could have killed her and they both have more reason now so who knows moving don in and out

of this equation yeah maybe maybe not so uh yeah they look into it further. They find that she has tons of calls with and texts and everything else with a fellow DPS employee that she works with. Oh, yeah. They look into it further and they see evidence of just an ongoing affair that's been going on for a while. All sorts of naked, explicit things sent back and forth between them. You know, a fair shit yeah so this has been going on apparently unbeknownst to don yeah obviously i would say i don't think he was like that sure i'll be at work tonight so tell him i said hi i don't think that's going on police departments and stuff like that are very much like restaurants man oh it is crazy how much

in fucking is happening it's so much it's so much incestuous weird oh this is anybody who works in office it happens all the time police and there's a certain attitude yeah hospitals too that yeah yeah yeah and airlines yeah you're right it's fucking every it's every it's every industry god damn it anywhere where people work closely together they always say that like uh in the homicide book the david simon book they say that uh an emer there's no better affair for a police detective than an emergency room nurse. Yeah? They always see each other. They're hanging out at 2 in the morning, and they both have horrible dark senses of humor.

Literally. They said they're the only ones that can talk shit with a homicide detective is an emergency room nurse because they've seen worse than you have. Well, he's dead. We don't really have much time to find a bed. Will you just bend me over the gurney? Yeah, right. Take me out to breakfast and shit like that so there is in fucking and all this sort of thing crazy though yeah they find this all sorts of naked he's not a cop either this

guy but all sorts he just another employee right all sorts of naked explicit pictures and everything like that as a matter of fact they look into her phone records really real closely and they find out that the night she was killed he was the last person she talked to on the phone that night. While Carrie was said she was scrapbooking in there. That's what she was doing. Marianne was in her bedroom talking on the phone to this guy. Who knows doing what? Whatever.

But talking to him. So they talked to him. Police go. I think it's time to talk to our pal here. They go knock on his door and talk to him. This dude is devastated by the death. He's ruined. I mean, he dude is devastated by the death he's ruined i mean he he has an appropriate reaction to where he's like are you kidding you've seen my

dick yeah oh no oh jesus oh god she said no one would ever see that oh god jesus christ man i was wearing that little baby bottom this is embarrassing it was all over my face i fell on the cucumber i swear i was shopping fuck me this is ridiculous so embarrassing so yeah he's the last person to talk to her on the phone uh he said he's he seems devastated right away he said he's loved to help you in any way that i can yeah love to help Just don't show anyone pictures of what I was doing there. It was very embarrassing. Don't show them that I lost one of those. Please.

One of those third nuts. Please, no. Please don't. So he said he's willing to help out in any way possible. So right away, the police are like, too helpful

or the right amount of helpful? That's what you always have to think. Oh, man. With homicide detectives, you always have to think, is he too helpful? Yeah. Because murderers are too helpful sometimes,

or is he just being helpful? Cause he's a good guy. You never, you never fucking know. Sometimes they hang up flyers. And the only way to tell a lot of times is intuition that, you know, that's why those guys are like detectives doing something else for 10 years

before they're homicide detectives for the most part. Cause they have to have that. They have to show that they can do shit like that. So, uh, the police though, they, they kind of think he's genuine there. They want to check up on him, but they're like have that they have to show that they can do shit like that so uh the police though they kind of think he's genuine they're they want to check up on him but they're like that was a he's a really either a really good actor or you know that does seem like a pretty

good reaction so uh he answered all the questions he said sure i'll come down to the station talk to you guys whatever you need answered all the questions said he's never been to her house okay ever um they look over all his phone locations uh to they take his phone shit to look over his locations to see where he was when he was on the phone with her yeah and where he was after that when he was using it because they can do the pings and they find out he is nowhere near the murphy house on the night of the murder he was you know 45 minutes away. Another dead end. Never moved around at all. So now they have two men and two alibis.

Right. So this is rough. This is bad. This is fucking not good if you have a dead woman and literally nothing here at all. And your two best chances of catching people, both of them were nowhere near it. Well, you figure, okay, okay her husband who we hear drinks a little bit and they fight all the time he sleeps on the couch and then she's having a long-term affair on the side one of these two did it you gotta figure i mean either the guy his wife was

gonna find out about it or or don found out about it you gotta figure it has something to do with her her illicit affairs that guy was married to not that anybody deserves to die for having an affair but you just that's that's who kills you usually is who's close to you that's what sets you off yeah jealousy is jealousy yeah and especially if it's a guy you're gonna you know that's what my first thought is maybe he found out and got pissed and killed her you know that's what i would think first of first and foremost so they're they're at a dead end right now uh they still aren't you know could it doesn't seem to be done. They want to, at this point, he didn't contact anybody the night of the murder.

He was working the whole time. If he did do it, he did it very smoothly, and they don't know how to catch him on it. And the other guy, too, he took a polygraph, said he's never been to her house. He passed everything. He seems pretty clean as well. And his phone locations also so the only thing they have left is to talk to carrie to try to get some kind of information that maybe she forgot something and who knows i mean people remember things after over some time so they ask

carrie if there's anything else anything at all that can help that please something they ask her about the door being broken with the window and they say look kerry there's a problem one problem we have with the whole thing here the brick and glass are on the outside of the door on the wrong side they're on the wrong side of the door so that brick from the living room that's an issue it's a brick from outside yeah but it's a brick still outside right and the glass is on the outside too so like that's an issue so could they have gotten in another way and made it look like they're trying to figure it out? Basically, did you hear anything before that?

Did you hear a door? Did you hear even a whistle? Anything in the house that could have been somebody, Jimmy, in a door or something like that? She says, no, I had nothing. I heard a bang. I went out there, ran out. You know, that was it. That's all there is.

that was it uh that's all there is now they they uh the problem is they the medical report comes out around this time with the autopsy and it says that when they found her a lot of her wounds the blood was coagulated oh she'd been there a minute uh the yeah that's the problem hearing the scream running calling and police arriving all happened within 10 minutes that's not enough so she would still be actively bleeding never mind having coagulated wounds i mean there would still be she'd be pumping blood almost still not probably not she'd be dead by then but it'd be running it'd be running not to be insensitive about it but it would be dripping off the bed for sure it would be fresh yeah in 10 minutes so it's coagulated so they're they're like how did this couldn't have happened right then, okay, because it's coagulated. So we don't help us.

Fucking help us is all they're doing. So they get Don's permission to do a full interview with Carrie. Like, can we sit down without you here and talk to her, basically? Do we have permission to do that? So Don says, sure. I want to find out who killed my wife. So if she'll help you find out, then great. Which, you know, that's also a good sign that Don is on the up and up here.

So they look in, what's up with, what the fuck is up with Carrie, first of all? How are you doing, Carrie? Let's find out with Carrie. You're scrapbooking, raising red flags. It's a little weird. But that fits her. Carrie's not real good socially. No?

She doesn't have a lot of confidence. And I feel bad for a girl like this because she's first of all she's 5 10 which is awesome yeah it's great to be a tall girl but a lot of times young ladies have an issue being tall especially because they get tall earlier yeah so she might have been 5 9 in the sixth grade when the boys were 5 4 right so i remember those girls and i remember that a lot of them would like kind of hunch over and I'm like, don't do that.

A lot of girls being called stretch. Yeah, stuff like that. So that happens. So she's 5'10". She's also, she's a little bit overweight as well.

So that doesn't help her confidence either. Right. In her own mind. She's just, she's not satisfied with herself and it projects outwardly

in her social activities. She's just kind of an awkward kid um you know awkward kid not real good with friends not real good with the other kids she's trying to find herself though and this is the thing i mean she's going this was her freshman year of high school everyone's trying to find themselves the people who aren't to like know who they are in their freshman year of high school or have like some confident thing i don't know what planet they came from i don't understand it either but i didn't know what the hell i was doing in the ninth grade didn't know who i was where i was going what i was doing who i wanted to be i had no fucking clue

there's a lot of those quote-unquote late bloomers that people like yeah i'm a late bloomer nobody ever says i'm an early bloomer but all those fucking people a lot of people were exactly who they are you knew that kid who like in sixth grade he was like you know knew how to talk to the ladies and he's like you know hitting home runs in little league and she was like what the hell is up with this kid had a choice a career he was going to be and then you look for him on today and that's what he fucking does he just had puberty a year earlier than you that's all it was and the next year was all fine but yeah and somehow he's fucking all those kids are always fucking successful well yeah confidence is a big thing in the world it really is it's a

good boost we always hear like that thing of you know oh that guy that was so doing so great in high school he's you know gonna be doing this shitty job now probably not probably not probably not no maybe some lawyer sometimes doing great but most of the time the kid was like a cocky asshole in high school he's a cocky asshole and those people tend to do well in the world for some reason i saw i looked the kid up on facebook that was mine and the fuckers he's a member of a porsche group on facebook jesus he's one of those guys which he might not have doing great maybe he's certainly got one oh he certainly has a profile picture wow that's a certain that's a certain kind of douche certain kind of douche is gonna put their porsche in their profile picture is it him with it or is it just the car in the fucking car huge douche

sun shining in through the driver's window so you can see every fucking tooth and the thumbs up oh fuck him i don't like him help me find you. I'll hunt him down like a fucking animal. Fucking jerk. Punch him right through his open porch window. Jimmy enjoys it when I want to unleash violence on people. So Carrie's having a tough time, okay? When she's a freshman in high school, like I said, a freshman in high school girl who's 5'10 and a little overweight is not usually the picture of confidence in her own self. Not that she can't do great shit, but it's in her own mind. Her brother, Scott, says she was always trying to find an identity.

On social media, she'd be like, one minute she'd be goth. She'd have her nails painted black. And she'd be like, goth shit her nails painted black right and you know she'd be like goth shit and then the next time you know a month later she was a completely different style right so they're doing the taylor swift shirt yeah and that's the thing is like when you're a teenager you do have to find identities everybody's like a different identity in school based on this dress or music or thing that they do isn't that bizarre it's really bizarre that's how everything breaks down in school so you have to like figure out which part do i fit into and a lot of people

do that they just where the fuck do i fit and so that's what she's trying to do she's trying to find somewhere that that fold of friends yeah and then you have to find your pecking order in there and then there too you gotta fucking hope that you get along with these goddamn people you gotta like these people what if you don't then you gotta go pretend to like football and hang out with those guys then you gotta find another group of friends you don't like anyway it's miserable it describes my whole life here's the cheat code for that you're gonna hate them all yeah everybody sucks everybody sucks hate everyone everybody that's the cheat code that's it fuck them all fuck them so she's trying to find her way uh she finds a boy that she sort of gets along with

as a friend uh here and you know she likes him he's a nice boy he's kind of in the same like edge of the cafeteria crew you know what i mean like that's fringe yeah kind of a little fringe group little fringe crew his name is zane ahmed hell yeah. And Zain is Z-E-I-N. Okay. Zain Ahmed. His parents are Pakistani. So, yeah. And Zain is, like I said, he's just kind of like sort of an outcast like that, you know, like her.

So they befriend each other, which is nice. That's good. They found something. After some time, though, he starts to like her a little more than she's interested in him yeah so she likes him and uh or she he likes her and he you know she does she's not interested but he decides that he's cool with the friend zone thing he's one of those guys that's probably like well just hang on and eventually i'll chip away at it yeah maybe she'll get her heart broken enough to settle i i know guys have been working on this for years there are guys that still do it years they do it 30s they have they're like they're like

like a five year we've been friends since 97 and we're like well it's never gonna happen dude i've been in love with her though it's really gonna work out i don't think so i've seen it in movies yeah it happens all happens all the time. Love conquers all. Fucking, I even, you know, oh no, she rejected Ducky. Never mind! So this guy's going to take the Ducky role and be cool with it. Oh boy. He's going to be fine with this shit. He says, I'll take the friend zone.

So Carrie looking for more people to hang out with. Carrie's a very good singer. So she joins the choir. Yeah. Which is a cool thing. My daughter was in choir, so it's cool. Very good. That's fun stuff.

So she joins the choir, and she makes all her friends there, which is good, because that's the thing. It's hard to make friends if you're not doing anything. You do shit, and then other people that do the same shit tend to have similar interests as you, and then you get along with them. That's generally how things work. So she's a very good singer, and it helps her make friends in the choir too because if you're good at it yeah people are good to you that's just what it is do your thing whatever your thing is if

you're young and trying to find your way whatever your thing is just fucking do it and people will gravitate to it when you're good at it yeah you're gonna you're gonna have so many friends whatever it is you don't don't do things to where the people are you do your thing well and people will come to you there's just it's how it works man do your thing trust us yeah play basketball football did this show sound like a good idea fuck no but we did our thing this is what we want to do when people have come to us it's working it works somehow i don't know you're listening aren't you just do what you do so yeah uh anyway she makes friends. Specifically, she's very much enamored with a girl in her class as far as she's impressed with her. She's a senior. This girl, a freshman senior.

You know what I mean? This girl's 19, 19, 15. You know, she looks up to this girl. This girl's got a car and stuff probably. She's the coolest. It's cool. You know, so she's looking at her. This is Rebecca Keller.

Everybody calls her Bunny. Okay. the coolest it's cool you know so she's looking at her this is uh rebecca keller everybody calls her bunny okay so to to to thwart any confusion she's bunny from here on out yeah so uh bunny is 19 she's the total opposite of carrie she's small very thin blonde um very outgoing bubbly popular blonde chick you don't call a grumpy person bunny no generally no it's not you know bitchy yeah but not grumpy it's not bunny the grouch it's oscar you know what i'm saying they didn't make oscar a bunny it's not oscar the bunny and he's like i don't know it's filthy down here and bunny's not usually she's not she's not grouchy or bitchy it's just she's particular she likes her things the way she likes them.

Bubbly and energetic. Please get it. Hey, Bunny. So, yeah. So, you know, Carrie really idolizes Bunny. And Bunny sees Carrie as a good singer who's a freshman. So she wants to, like, kind of mentor her. You know, she's like, I'll take you under my wing and, you know, whatever. Be nice to you.

Because she can see that she's kind of not really the most popular kid either yeah you can tell when somebody is yeah hurting or struggling or something and that's especially at that age yeah that's the thing i had in high school i would have liked i like to befriend those people i had a collection of weirdos like you get over here tell me about the weird shit you're into yeah let's go yeah let's go i like the i like kids that were fucked up and had problems and shit. It's the best. Yeah, I like that. I don't like these. I don't like people that got it together. Got their shit together.

You got a plan? Fuck you. What fun is that? I don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow. And I'm a dick, and my kids are like, their life is together. They're going to be bored now. Sorry about that, kids. What's your name, Travis?

I don't know if I'm going to eat tomorrow. I'm positive. It's pretty cool, right? Let's hang out out that's kind of what it was yeah i mean friends one friend i remember his whole family lived in a fucking abandoned school bus for a while oh my god i said my other friend with a goddamn mom was in a mental institution for a while and then she came home and she had this crackhead fucking husband she brought in. Friday night was crack night. We'd hang out at his house because you're allowed to smoke weed there. So we'd hang out in his basement and smoke weed when we were teenagers.

But Friday night, we'd have to clear out because all the fucking crackheads are over there. It was a nightmare. A friend named Joaquin who told me that his mom was a prostitute. Oh, nice. And that she got to sleep with her friends and then he i didn't believe it for a word of it yeah then he told me that he was bragging right i thought he was just being a fucking a kid and then he's not a good brag then he just goes hey jimmy and i turn around he goes look at this and he shows me his dick and i was like oh my god what's wrong with it and he

goes i fucked a girl in her ass and i'll no man no he was like my god he's he didn't want to wash it this is her what okay i wanted to show everybody okay we gotta we gotta reset this whole thing my brain just broke when i just i really hope Joaquin's okay, because it sure didn't. Joaquin, if you're out there, don't call us. Don't get a hold of us. Don't email the show. Do not tweet me.

Figure out your fucking life and wash your dick, you filthy scumbag. I'm sure he's not okay. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. He didn't want to. I just remembered that. I can't believe I forgot it. He's like, I washed my hands, though.

People now be like, that's fine. Did you wash your hands? So Bunny, though, is envious of Carrie as well. Bunny is envious of Carrie's home life. Carrie has a stable family i mean obviously nobody's perfect but stable family mom dad reasonable amount of money they're not you know carrie has the things she needs and things she wants nice tv in her room and stuff like that she's got stuff she's not hurting for anything bunny is fucking poor really bunny lives in a

super dingy shitty trailer in a dingy trailer park real crappy she has a terrible relationship with her father her dad's not around totally different total she's the opposite of carrie when it comes to everything it's total opposite the only thing they have in common is they both like to sing and they're both girls outside of that complete opposites so bunny is jealous not jealous but she's like man that's i wish i had that and really yeah absolutely and then carrie's jealous of her she's like wow i wish i could have the independence have the independence and also be able to make friends so easy and be popular this girl's popular bunny so it's those are just survival tactics it sounds like it is carrie

hasn't had the need to fucking no she's been turned into something else well taken care of and uh that's the thing now the only thing about this that's a little strange is that rebecca after a minute lets carrie know that she's interested in something a little more than friendship oh boy she's interested in a little more than friendship okay uh now obviously 19 years old and 15 years old is very hot, obviously. No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Keep talking.

I'm listening. I'm joking here. No, obviously, that's fucking wrong. If that was me and you, because we're guys, we're sitting there like, I don't know. But if that was a boy, we were like, I will rip his dick off and fucking pummel him with it. So it's different. You know what I mean? Like when my daughter was 15, if a 19 year old-old boy was anywhere near her, he was dying.

But with a girl, we don't look at it the same because we're guys. But it is still the same. They're not mentally the same. And there's a definite difference. And Carrie's 19 years old. She's a far, not Carrie, Bunny's 19. She's an adult. Right.

She doesn't have to be in that trailer. She can go get a job and get the fuck out. That what i'm saying yeah so it's wrong here if it was a boy we would say not small town murder approved behavior and this also not small town murder approved behavior carrie is into it really uh she's into it she had told a couple of friends recently that she thought she was bi and she didn't really know she's fucking 14 or 15 when you're a lot of kids now they don't know what you don't have to figure it out for a while there are senators that figure it out in their 40s well they figured it out they just know the act they have to play you put a foot under the bathroom door and you work on it that's all so but there's a lot of

kids they don't know and they're not you don't have to fucking know is the other thing. If you're 15, you don't have to be any sexuality at all. Figure it out. It's all on your own time. You have so much life to go. You got a lot of life. And trust me, it's out there for you. Great.

But she thinks she's bi. Terrific. Whatever. Good for her. And this confirms it, I guess. The fact that she definitely. If she's into this, good for her um and you know this confirms it i guess the fact that she definitely if she's into this i think you are she's at least by that at least by um then right after this uh she told her brother that she thinks she's she thinks she's gay so i don't think i'm bi anymore i think i'm gay here i think i just like girls and whatever and

her brother told her okay great cool that's fine it was like 2012 he's like yeah he's like whatever cool he's like carry on with your gayness i don't know enjoy i don't know like you know 2012 he's not he doesn't give a shit right there's a young generation doesn't care about gay that's one thing they're like yeah whatever who fucking cares it's weird like they don't there's a there's a generational split there right that happens i really believe, with gayness. It's just certain age. It's like you can pick an age and go under, and like 90% of the people don't give two shits about it. And an age and over, and those people care about it. It's just different.

So, yeah, her brother said, carry on, do your thing. Good for you, I guess. She does not tell her parents, though. She's 15. And that's the other thing, too. You don't have to tell your parents anything about what you're thinking about, what you want to do with your fucking with your genitals. That's not their business right now. And you don't know for sure.

You might change your mind or you might have different feelings. Your feelings may change. You have no idea at that age. Do you have a fluid sexuality sometimes when you're a teenager, this is just scientifically especially women scientifically when they're teenagers are a little more confused about that short sort of shit mainly because they don't yell at each other and call each other homos from the time they're four years old i would assume make fun of each other and say horrible shit and you know that's what i like and assume more women are willing to admit that than guys because guys are scared they're going to get a fucking wedgie or something.

Jesus Christ. Or worse. Or worse. Hired to a goddamn fence in Wyoming and beaten to death. That's what I mean. I was trying to be humorous about it. There's not. I didn't go.

I didn't find a joke. It's true, though. It's true. It's fucking scary. But it's one way or the other. You can get beat up or you can just get fucking legit murdered or yeah or hopefully if you're in a decent place where people are nice they just go cool yeah whatever you're coming to the party or not like whatever don't give a shit what you do with your dick that's not my concern so she doesn't tell her

parents she thinks that her dad will be cool with it okay um she's like i think my dad will be all right with it but mom's gonna fucking freak out so I think mom's gonna freak she thinks both because it's with a woman a girl I guess and also because this is an actual adult woman at this point the age is wrong A it's illegal in the law's eyes

and the other one is B it's illegal in God's eyes for her that's what it is this is why I think they should break up high school into ninth and tenth and eleventh and twelfth grades separately because you shouldn't have you can have 14 year olds in the same place with 19 year olds that's crazy all intermingling fuck that no way and taking the chance that a hundred percent of them are not a pedophiles or b just rapists just that's what i mean just gross guys are like i bet if i got that girl drunk i could do things to her.

Very presumptuous guys. It's fucking weird. So Carrie, though, is getting really into this relationship. She's like obsessed with Bunny here, with Rebecca, and it seems mutual. Rebecca's always all over her.

She's all over their back and forth. They're constantly texting and calling and seeing each other. And this is one of those all-encompassing relationships that are always bad when you're 15. You do not have time for that when you're 15. You don't have the mental, you don't have the capacity for that kind of relationship yet. It's hard to have that relationship when you're an adult, never mind when you're 15 and you have school and shit to do too at the same time.

So Carrie would lie to her parents and she'd sneak out and see bunny at night and hiding and you know teenager bullshit that teenagers do except with a 19 year old woman right and uh you know a lot of hiding bunny uh convinces carrie to tell her parents bunny says you gotta tell your parents this is crazy you can't be running around hiding and doing all this shit this is nuts come out to your parents tell them you got your brother on your side your brother said he's cool that he'll help you and maybe your parents will be supportive you know if you put it out to them the right way give them a chance they might be cooler than you think basically type of thing and that's true i mean it's fucking 2012 you know especially dad he's like you see this mullet it's 2012 i don't give a fuck about nothing you Woo! Pew, pew.

You know? What the fuck do I care? Do I have gives of shits? What does this hair say to you? Right. How many shits do I give? Zero, chief. Rock on.

And he gave her the horns and threw her a can of Bud Light and was like, woo! Let's celebrate, kid. Let's celebrate. Now you're a woman. A lot of my favorite celebrities already came out same way same way look at good so uh yeah high five ellen for me that's why so uh she does she comes out dad's like i said he's cool with it uh mom wasn't as against it as she thought she was carrie thought she was going to be but she wasn't exactly like oh congratulations either mom took a little bit of convincing you know just the idea of it was a big be, but she wasn't exactly like, oh, congratulations either. Mom took a little bit of convincing.

Just the idea of it was a big shock to her. She didn't expect it. So she took some convincing. It's so horrible. Which is hard. Imagine being that kid all you want is support, I would assume. It's fine. You're great.

We love you no matter what. You're awesome. But this is tough, too, because she's got to come in and go, mom, I'm gay, and it gets worse. Yeah, that's the thing. Worse for you. Right yeah that's the thing worse for you right yeah that's the thing and you're gonna be less understanding and you're gonna hate what i have to tell you in a minute here i mean plus this is humble texas not fucking west hollywood right the fact that she didn't immediately rush the kid to the nearest baptist church is a sign of great tolerance or drop her off at a fire department be like literally is it too late the fact that he didn't she didn't take her to like a pray the gay away center i'm giving the tolerance points for that

so uh they plan now now bunny and and carrie are still keeping this relationship and they're planning a long-term relationship like they're like how can we be together forever like oh my god well you can work and if you stay around here and then i'll go to school and if i do this and then maybe we can we'll move to california this gay marriage is legal there at the time it was before it was nationally legal so they're like literally like where can we go where we can be ourselves and this is so bad yeah it's it's it's rough so uh yeah not sure they want to get married though and everything like that um i mean hey nothing against lesbianism or anything but how about you go to math class for now how about what do you say there juliet fucking calm down get your ass to fucking algebra 2 what are we talking about here you're 15 i mean

it's great you want to be i don't care who you fuck around with but you're not moving and dropping out of school when you're 15 go to class dummy and you're thinking of dropping out of high school to go to one of the most expensive states in the country? Yeah. You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah. The most expensive, probably. So Carrie, at this point, back to the police interview, because that's where we went off of here. They were trying to figure out what her deal was.

Back in the police interview, they start just talking about details with her. Okay. We have the coagulation we have the brick outside we have all these things and so they're pressing her story and uh you know she starts to backtrack on certain things and say no well maybe i was here or maybe it happened then or maybe i'm confused she starts being confused so they say tell you what will you take a polygraph test and we'll just ask you questions and we'll find out you know just get this out of the way once and for all and she says no problem sure yeah fucking hook me up

to it uh they do they ask her all the questions she fails miserably oh no she fails fucking miserably so now they really put the screws to her because now they have we know you're lying about this this and this so now they really put the screws into her i mean she's like it's like she's on the wire and she just got the false paper out of the copier you lying motherfucker she's like oh shit oh no i'm done now so finally she says after all this time and the polygraphs and they're pushing her pushing her she finally cracks and says fine i know who killed my mom i know who did it i'm i know it's a guy i know yeah guy i know did it his name's zane oh he says he did it. I know. It's a guy I know. Guy I know did it. His name's Zane. He says he did it.

Yes. The Iranian kid. The Pakistani kid. Pakistani. Pakistani kid. And he's a little slow, Zane, by the way, too. Zane's got a little gump thing going on with him. Oh, boy.

We're like borderline capable. Okay. So she tells police at that point, she goes, him he did it um i i heard it i heard the door and as i was running from out of the house i heard my mother scream and i heard that i heard them argue and i i recognized his voice it was him i know it's him so that's what she tells them um she tells police that mom was say less than enthusiastic about her uh her her lesbian love uh that she had let on she's like look mom was mom here's the deal okay now now she's gonna open up she's like okay i didn't tell you guys everything she goes okay um yeah i have this lesbian girlfriend that's

19 and blah blah blah and uh my mother and argued with me about it she told me bunny was too old and that you know i was getting too involved with her and all that sort of thing. And she was telling Carrie that Bunny was a bad influence also. She thinks like, she suspected her of like smoking weed and shit like that.

Bad vibe off her in general. Mainly you're 19 and you want to finger my daughter, I feel like is the main vibe we're getting off that probably. So Marianne also didn't want this relationship interfering with school because she's talking about, well, we're together, we're getting off that probably. So Marianne also didn't want this relationship interfering with school because she's talking about when we're together, we're together. She's like, you got three years of school to worry about.

Never mind when we're together. It's one of those things. When you graduate, do whatever the fuck you want. I don't care. That's the thing. So at that point, Carrie would have to start started to have to sneak out to see Bunny again. Got it. She would sneak out after marriage because dad works the night shift so she would marianne would fall asleep and she would steal

her car and go no license or anything she just steal her car and go see yeah she'd go see a bunny like that so now march 16th 2012 comes around and uh during this this is after the time when the bunny relationship's been banned we got a zero bunny tolerance going on at this point in time so uh this being shot on site that's what it's like the train basically what it is and that night the uh the police are called actually because rebecca is found to be at the house uh marianne comes home and rebecca's yeah bunny's at the house oh boy so marianne loses her shit and calls the police and uh bunny is actually arrested really taken away and cuffs out of here uh for says that she

quote did unlawfully and with and with notice that entry was forbidden intentionally and knowingly enter and remain in the habitation area without the consent of Mary Ann Murphy. Trespassing. Trespassing. So she gets a trespassing charge, and she's lucky she just got that because that's an underage girl you're in with.

There was nothing going on. She was just at the house. So that's how that went. So it gets, you know, the tension is just up and up with the mother and daughter. Every time the mother says no, she says yes twice as hard. If the mother just said cool, they'd have probably broke up in a month.

Put it that way. You're probably right. This is one of those where the mother's insistence on the no. The brother said it too. The more my mother said no, the harder Carrie fought for it. It was just she had her fucking teeth sunk in on it, and she wasn't letting go. The tide is high, and I'm holding on. What is that at that point?

She's going to be her number one, Jimmy. Is it just a defiance to be yourself? It's a teenage thing. It's just a teenage thing. You finally feel like, because when you're 15, you feel like like because when you're 15 you feel like you're you feel like an adult when you're 15 and adults that are in charge of you don't think you're an adult enough to make your own decisions but to you you're like my fucking brain is working fine i know where i'm what makes me horny that's all you're thinking my daughter's nine and i'm so fucking scared of this

oh yeah be terrified oh my god of Of just everything. Be terrified of everything. Thank God. My daughter's 18 and she's good. I have so many videos and pictures on my phone that I'm just going to show her and remind her. Remember when we loved each other? Remember this? Remember when you had pink stuff on? Remember when you told me I'm your best friend?

Wow. Do you remember that? Wow. That was my favorite day. That was great. You just spit at me last night. And told me that you wish you were dead at me last night and told me that you wished one on me called me a loser not cool and wished i was dead thank you appreciate that thanks best

friend thanks for the for the well wishes best friend best friend new car so new wheels friend new wheels friend i'm not your fucking friend all right i love that so much i'm freaking out all right so july 2012 comes around uh now it's been a few months since the trespassing incident since this this uh blonde girl's been dragged off of her lawn in handcuffs and so july of 2012 marianne um catches her daughter sneaking into the home in the morning she's climbing back in a window she catches her sneaking in uh she's busted this is your classic like sitcom busted like teenager like halfway in the window whoops my bad yeah mom's sitting there like fucking you're climbing and thinking it's all dark and your mom's in the corner just lights a cigarette fuck see the light oh no the flicker of the light making it look even scarier just a

mean mom sitting there going welcome home like a haunted house where were you do you know what time it is good morning jesus christ lights a cigarette he's like that is like mark walberg's bomb and boogie nights screaming at him and shit for no smoking that's what i picture in the dark yeah totally in the dark that's a that that would if that were in a movie complete the dark yeah totally in the dark that's a girl that that would if that were in a movie complete dark movie and a kid climb in that fucking that'd be the iconic movie at the oscars that would be the moment that face light up and the kid cut back to the kid where have you been that's that's that's a teen comedy right there and then the the the short

stops and then the audience yeah let's write it jimmy american pie 14 we're writing it tom hanks standing there post-covid-19 jason biggs grandkids are climbing in the window because eugene levy's funeral is the next morning they have to be in early so they can all get up and get their suits on for grandpa's funeral eugene great great grandpa eugene tried to dance because his grandson got laid and he fell down the stairs that's what happens man because he's 97 that's it happens man so she catches her sneaking in and marianne is fucking pissed, as you might imagine. At this point, she says, okay, not only are you grounded, which you're so grounded.

I already said no contact with Bunny, so that still stands. And also, I'm taking your phone as well, which is like you might have stabbed her in the forehead as a 15-year-old girl. I'm taking your phone. She falls over and dies. So she takes it. She really wants to know what's in that phone, too. The mother. She's like, what the fuck? What's the password, bitch?

What's in there? Boy, this is going to be good stuff. So one night, she's not supposed to go outside. She's in the house. She's supposed to stay in the house. One night, a couple nights later, Marianne catches her outside. She's outside. Now, Marianne says says what were you doing

outside were you fucking meeting rebecca were you doing this were you doing that carrie says no absolutely not i only went outside because i heard noises out there i heard like a knocking like a banging like you know like kato kalin heard and right i heard a thump thump i heard a thump thump she said i heard a noise and so i went out and looked i just was looking for what it was now if you're a teenage kid you tell your mom hey there's a noise outside you wouldn't go i'm gonna go investigate this myself or you know whatever so she does say that's what she's doing marianne does not believe her and regrounds her fucking double grounded yeah double that's a problem i love the term grounded by the way like you're a pilot all right you're not going anywhere anyway you're not doing fly boy yeah you're not doing a bombing mission over fucking

dresden you're a teenager who can't go to the mall it's fucking different grounded grounded it's just so you're grounded oh man i'm on the ground we're going nowhere where were you going down the street who cares you know where to go you're literally going three miles away you're going to the mall you're going to jamba shit yeah fuck you so a couple out a couple of days later carrie sneaks away when her mom's at work and she gets a hold of her friend zane okay gets a hold of zane and she's brainstorming with zane how to get out of being grounded now zane isn't the brightest guy in the world so i don't know if a brainstorming session is his strongest thing but whatever she's she's bouncing shit off of him anyway. Something in there storming.

Yes. There's some lightning and thunder. So she comes up with an idea. She says, I got it. I need you to come over to my house tonight after my mom's asleep and bang on her outside wall of her bedroom. Yeah. That way she will hear it and get scared and know that i and think that i was telling the truth when i went outside okay it's that banging again whoever did

that the first time is back again that'll tell her i'm in here bitch and then she'll go oh my god carrie wasn't lying there's somebody banging okay so that's her plan now that that this will prove a stalker's at foot and she's ungrounded, free to do whatever she wants. OK, that's that's the that's the whole deal here. That ends up going on. So then July 16th, we know what happens. Murder, stab, stab, stab. All this ends up happening now.

OK, back to the interview here. She claims that instead of coming over and banging on the wall, Zane busted through the back door with a knife in his hand and just went fucking murder crazy. Just busted in, had a knife, and just went right for the mom and just beeline. I wanted you to bang on the wall. I didn't want you to stab her to death. Well, I just hate that word grounded. I don't like it. I really went crazy.

I'm what you call a union rep for kids. Here's my card. They call me steward. You're falsely grounded? I take care of you. So, Jesus Christ. She says that he came in the back door, like I said, murder crazy. So, police are like, we'd love to talk to this Zane guy if he's a fucking murderer, obviously.

So, they go and bring him in, sit him down. Right away, they say that he doesn't strike him as a killer. Everybody's like, he doesn't seem bright. Every detective said he doesn't seem bright enough to pull this off. They're like, he barely knows where the fuck he is. Picture Brendan Dassey. That's what we're dealing with in terms of intelligence. That's Stephen Avery's nephew in Making a a murderer who wanted to go to wrestlemania yeah

picture pakistani dassey that's what it is pakadasi now pakadasi sitting there okay we got uh don't think he's bright enough he denies all knowledge of the murder he i don't know what you're talking about he says i know carrie i'm friends with carrie yeah she's my friend and they're like okay well did you kill her and she's like no she goes he said i don't even know where she lives i don't even know where carrie lives really i couldn't have killed her i i don't even i know i don't know anything about it um uh now just at a the harris county prosecutor anna emmons this is her this is her uh uh summation of of zane quote he never graduated high school he may not be educated or at a maturity level to uh at a maturity maturity level to understand or comprehend everything that was going on here that's the type

of thing we're dealing with here he's he's just like thinks it's all just innocent he's like i don't know i'm just hanging out it's all good um this is over 12 hours they interrogate this kid by the way 12 hours of a kid who's you know borderline intelligence um they ask him to take a polygraph at this point they believe him also by the way he says i don't even know where she lives i don't know and they're looking at him going this fucking kid is is not sophisticated enough to a plan this pull this off and then lie to us about it with a straight face he's just not that sophisticated so they literally they are zero%. They think he killed her 0% at this point. They're like,

this is bullshit. This ain't the guy, but just to make sure we, you take a polygraph because this is what they do to eliminate suspects. That way they can say all these people pass polygraphs. So that way that comes up. It helps later on. This person didn't pass and she's giving us all the story.

Yeah. If everyone else passes, but one person, you kind of know who to look at, even though you polygraphs aren't perfect and they can be manipulated by the examiner and the taker of the... The drug you can take. Everything.

It's still a pretty decent, especially if you spring one on someone quick and they do it. Pretty good bar. They have no way to prepare for it. Yeah. So just to eliminate him as a suspect, they want to hook him up to the lie detector. So the detectives are outside waiting for him to get done and they figure he'll be in there five minutes and they'll be like yeah he's you know he knows his name and that's about it other than that he's not sure what the fuck's

going on so they said he's in there for like a while yeah they're like what the fuck are they talking about in there is this like three questions he's supposed to be answering them that's the end of it and a little time goes by polygraph examiner pops out and goes okay he's ready to confess now what detectives go what the fuck they're like are you kidding me and these are like experienced detectives the sergeant is working the case sergeant clopton he's like this is he literally said like sometimes you're wrong yeah he goes i mean intuition isn't perfect i believed him but i can it can't be 100 shit i mean it's not the first time in my career i believed someone and they were lying or I thought they were lying and they were telling the truth.

Yeah, it happens. Every cop's got to go through that. It happens. So they say he's ready to confess. They said the examiner says, yeah, midway through the test, he just stopped the test and started saying that it was just an accident and he got scared. It was only an accident and he was sorry and he got scared and that's why he did it. He just started blurting the shit out.

So you might want to talk to him there. So the detectives pull him in, re-interview him. And what happened? He says, okay, I went over to scare her. Like you said, I went over to scare her. He said, I'm not sure why I brought the knife with me. Not positive why, but I had it with me. And he said, the next thing you know i was standing over

her over marianne and she woke up and he said he just panicked and started stabbing because she woke up and he didn't know what to do because he was she would have got she started she screamed she was like oh my god i can either run away and then someone's good i don't know so he just started stabbing because the knife was in his hand okay that's his story okay um police would like more info he's like i said borderline gump and they're not sure if this is all fitting into place here uh they do arrest him and charge him with fucking first degree murder though they think that he might be telling the truth uh but also you know maybe he's telling them what they want to hear like a child they're not sure yet

you know kids do that when they interview them common yeah uh so uh they said that he he admitted in the statement he said he admitted slipping into her bedroom with uh he said that um that uh uh carrie let him in yeah that's what he said carrie let me in and i came in i was supposed to scare her he said he got on top of her and uh then she woke up and then he started stabbing her like he was over her standing over her and that's that now his attorney says he is absolutely not guilty though his attorney says quote i've got testimony and video i've got a lot of stuff and he's just not guilty it's either the desire of the girl to cover her tracks or to keep someone that she knows from being blamed so police sit

him down again and he's willing to talk too and the lawyers are like for him they're like i don't fucking know if you want to talk talk because this is a mess we don't know what you did all right maybe you can get out of it because we can't get you out of it i don't know i've been doing this a long time never come into this you've done fucked up it's up to you so they ask and they say tell you what let's back to square one describe step by step once you get to the house what happened step by step you get out of here you get out of the car you step onto the lawn where are you he said okay i went around to the back of the house he said uh there was the doors there he said i broke the window in the back door with a brick he said broke the window he said i walked

through the kitchen it was dark he goes so i was making my way through the kitchen. So then I went up the stairs to the second floor, down the hallway, where I found her room at the end. And she woke up stabby stabby. That's what he said. There's a big problem with that. It's a one-story house. There is no second story. It's a fucking one-story house. He doesn't know shit.

It's not a two-story house. No. It's a one-story house. And he specifically described walking up the steps. never steps pakadasi there are no steps maybe it's a sunken living room no um not only that um that's also thing also his parents zane's parents are insistent that not only was he home that night all night but was not only home but in their presence in the living room playing video games with a younger sibling. Watching right in front of them.

Literally probably playing WrestleMania. Unbelievable. Right in fucking front of them. So they're like, he was fucking home. Then, oh, another thing. They have a picture of him that night that they took at about 1130 of him at home with his family playing video games. Unbelievable. It's all time stamped. It's all real. They're like, okay of him at home with his family playing video games unbelievable all it's all time stamped it's all real they're like okay he was home with his fucking family here this is ridiculous because by 11 30 she would have been dead for her blood to

coagulate by one so he's there he didn't leave he's not covered in blood that's a problem uh not only that yeah there's that they have the picture he also say said well how many times you stab her then he said four times you can't confuse four with 73 no you just can't you're off by 69 69 stabs that's a lot of stuff he said yeah four seems like a no kid he'd go four seems like enough to kill someone right here here there yeah that would be brutal right yeah no 73 so they're like uh yeah also one other reason why you know it's not him he He said, I still have the knife. Yeah, I kept the knife and I still have it. The knife was at the scene of the crime.

They found the knife that night. So it was left there. He didn't have a knife. So none of this was there. Finally, they go, we don't think you're telling the truth. And he said, okay, fine. I didn't do it. He goes, I only did it because I thought that if I told you, you'd let me go home and watch

WrestleMania, presumably. Same exact thing Brendan Dassey said. After 12 hours, he said, I thought if I just told you that you'd let me go home. That's what you wanted to hear. Same thing. He said, that's what I thought it was. So, yeah, he was confused by the whole process. He's not all there.

And, you know, he got the details they gave him and said, I think they want me to say this, this and this. And that's what they want. And then they'll let me go, not charge me with first degree murder. Now, it gets worse, though, for poor Zane here. He says that they interviewed him and he said, I didn't know what to do. And then they asked him, why did you do that? And he said it was stupid to confess. I just wanted to get out of it.

well why'd you do that and he said it was stupid to confess i just wanted to get out of it the uh the sheriff's office spokesman said that there was probable cause at first to arrest him but then the facts discovered in the investigation said probably not we had to let him go home we had to let him go home and 12 hours they did they swabbed his saliva took pictures of him polygraphed him and they gave him a whole whole rundown and uh that's all he wanted to do was do that they uh he had his charges finally officially dismissed after a while but the problem is there's some damage that's already been done um ahmed says he for zane here says he feels really bad because all he wants to do now is work really hard to pay back his mother who sold all of her jewelry no to pay for his attorney in bail.

Not just jewelry. This was gold jewelry from Pakistan that was passed down from generation. It's irreplaceable. Unbelievable. Irreplaceable family heirlooms that have been passed down from generation to generation. This woman sold immediately to get her son a lawyer because she knew he was innocent because he was fucking home with her. This is a problem.

So this poor guy, he said he feels horrible horrible this jewelry was supposed to be passed down to his three sisters for them to give to their daughters and instead it's who knows it's in pawn shops now wherever so uh he said that's my first priority to pay my mom back bro yeah that's what i mean burned down fucking sad oh christ it's some so sad royal tycoons 18 year old bride's wedding ring now you know it you know so the police request they want to talk to carrie again let's bring you back in she says i'd like an attorney please oh things are things are different now uh so they bring scott in they go maybe you can tell us some shit about your sister scott tells them that ma the mother's like we said been trying to break carrie and bunny up because of the age difference make sure to say not because they're gay because

they're not the right ages for each other uh he tells them that you know she disapproved not only that though recently when she took carrie's phone she looked through it and found nude and sexually explicit pictures and texts between the girls that made her blow the fuck up freak the fuck out that's when zero tolerance for bunny and no more phone got was happening there so the cops also found out that recently while after the trespassing arrest don had come home one afternoon and found bunny at the house not only at the house found bunny and carrie in the shower together oh boy like fucking making out oh no so not cool at all he was super fucking pissed obviously kicked kicked uh kicked bunny out and

all that sort of thing and after that carrie and mom never didn't talk to each other anymore no they would be like you know dinner's ready would be it or you know clothes are fucking what that's what the brother said like she'd say like clothes are washed or whatever so rebecca bunny gets carrie a cell phone to keep in touch with her gets her a burner phone got her own i swear to god for a couple of white teenage lesbians they sure do a lot of wire shit don't they a couple of suburban teenage white girls they do some like uh shady underground shit that's for sure they called it the bunny phone oh this is the bunny phone uh she didn't even have to so the thing is when the mother was dead she didn't even have to run out to the neighbor because she had that phone the whole time but she didn't want anybody to know about that phone was the thing so they try to get scott they say we don't really want her to know

what we're doing do you know the phone number for that bunny phone he says sure here it is so now they can get a subpoena and pull the records hell yeah when they do they uh they're looking for some conspiracy they also want to interview bunny let's interview bunny here bunny doesn't deny the existence of the phone she says the phone does exist but she says i haven't talked to her in weeks i have not talked to carrie in weeks like a month and a half it's been six weeks since i talked to her she says they broke up the mother didn't want him seeing seeing him anymore so carrie said she couldn't see her and they broke up and it sucks but oh well you know i'm moving on doing my thing so the police they don't really have much else to go on uh but phone records when they get those phone records from the bunny phone they find out that that's bullshit they haven't broken up and they've been in constant

contact including all through the day of the murder right up until the murder uh all of that stuff they texted each other many times the night of the murder right up until the murder uh all of that stuff they texted each other many times the night of the murder including right around when they think it happened uh they tell bunny that they know she's full of shit yeah they tell her that uh you know she went over there because carrie told her that uh they said you know we know you're full of shit okay so bunny says okay you're right fine there's not much more you can do here. She says, okay. I went over there because Carrie told me that she killed her mom. That's why.

So she called me. She said, I killed my mom. So she swooped in like the wolf, fucking Harvey Keitel to clean the shit up. Basically, it's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet, gentlemen. So she comes to help her clean up i can just see her with the spray and everything these old quilts this looks like blankets right this looks like a pretty domesticated house linen closet blankets towels sheets something like that so anyway uh she said when she got there carrie was head to toe covered in Yeah. 73 stab wounds. Covered head to toe, dripping blood off of her.

Rebecca says, okay. Bunny saw this shit. Bunny says she walked in and found that and said, let's make it look like a burglary. That's what we'll do. We'll make it look like a burglary. And Carrie said, we can blame Zane. Yeah. That was her idea to blame Zane is what Rebecca is saying now. What Bunny says.

Now they search Carrie's bunny phone. Yeah. What they find is lots and lots the night of the murder all sorts of uh google searches of quote easiest way to kill someone wow and uh looked up like pills and different poisons and shit like that her name's carrie and she was head to toe in blood that's hilarious carrie not carrie still k-e-r-i yeah whatever same thing same thing so covered so her searches were at the same time she was on the phone with bunny what the fuck they were like talking about like well i don't know

about this hold on let me search that she puts her on speakerphone yeah i don't know that one seems hard yeah so they think bunny helped with the planning here so first degree murder they're going to charge on both of these people and uh they say uh the prosecutor said because of those texts and those pictures that's why she was killed we may not know which one of them did the stabbing probably both but we know that they uh we know that both of them staged a burglary and blamed somebody else first of all carrie is handled as a juvenile at first. She's 16 years old. This is right before her 17th birthday when it's all going down. And she is finally brought in for her hearing. And the judge rules, you're going as an adult in Texas.

At 15. Well, she's going to be 17. But when she did it, she was barely 16. So it's, you know, her family stands behind her really uh her her dad bails her out of fucking jail why does she get bail i don't know she gets bail though um i don't know i don't know that's what i mean i don't i can't imagine how she'd get bail of anybody that's dangerous that's it this girl's danger she's lying mother she'll kill and lie about it yeah that's telling her mother and her person that's supposed to be the most important should be pretty close to someone you wouldn't kill the most you know uh so they they

do that the the prosecutor said quote this was planned it was a cold-hearted execution and that really needs to be handled in adult court and the judge agrees and she will be tried as an adult um like i said she's bailed out of jail but bunny is not bailed out of jail really she stays she's in the she's got a trailer family yeah so they don't bail her out of jail, but Bunny is not bailed out of jail. Really? She stays. She's got a trailer family. Yeah. So they don't bail her out of jail. But they do keep in touch, though. Funny thing is, if you keep one person in jail, one person out of jail, they're going

to get a hold of each other. They got to talk. They got to talk. And when they talk, every goddamn second of it's recorded. I don't know how many times we've encountered this before. Hey, guys, just because you only hear one other voice on the end of the phone, there is someone listening. If you're in jail or you're talking to someone in jail, someone is listening. If you say anything bad, it'll get found.

Probably if it needs to be nothing bad, it'll be found. It's recorded. If you just say I bought ramen noodles, they heard it. And it's funny because it's recorded specifically for things like this like rebecca saying quote i'm just glad you didn't see what went on in there oh uh carrie said she did see yeah rebecca did it not her rebecca did the stage i'm just glad you didn't see what went on there carrie said actually i did see i went into the hallway and looked in and watched is what carrie said this is fucking this is fucking crazy gross so then rebecca says i told

you to stay in the room why did you watch she so she went over and said you stay in your room i'll go stab your mom to death and then we'll take care of it that's that's what happened here uh so now they know exactly what went on and they know that bunny is not like an accessory after the fact or any of that shit she's way worse she's not on the cleanup crew bunny's the stabber right this is fucking crazy if this was the like imagine if like you you've never heard of this story correct this there's not a lot on it they did a snapped episode on it or something but outside of that there's not a lot on this out there imagine if this happened in 1955 this would be the biggest story right they would have made 20 fucking b movies about it they would kill killer killer teenage lesbian vampire werewolves from space

that's what it would be killer lesbian killer teenage lesbian killer vampire werewolves from space that would be the the most popular of the movies i feel like the crazy part is that this has happened a million times in the role of the boy yeah the older boy kills the parents oh god for the younger girl. All the time. And this way, it's crazy this wasn't talked about more. It's insane. So they also find out that day that mom had found the bunny phone earlier and wanted the

passwords. Yeah. That's when Carrie took the phone back and was Googling how to kill people. She stole the phone back from her mom and was Googling how to kill people while talking to Bunny on the phone because her mom took the phone away from her. and was Googling how to kill people while talking to her because her mom took the phone away from unbelievable man. It's fucking crazy. Now, Bunny wants to go to trial. She's like, I'm fighting this fucking thing, which, okay, good luck.

That's intense. Carrie, on the other hand, here. By the way, Bunny is not only charged with first-degree murder she's also charged with sexual assault of a child age 14 to 17 as a matter of fact as well because she admitted to having the relationship and they found pictures and texts and everything else showing exactly how explicit this relationship was if you got those two charges on a rap sheet and you were just looking at him you'd be like oh my god she raped and murdered a child yeah absolutely standards way way worse somehow it's way creepier i don't know how that's creepier you'd think rape and murder of a child be the worst somehow i feel like this is even worse fucking it's definitely in the ballpark this will fucking ruin you it's

all on the playing field here so uh yeah now bunny remained in jail on a fifty thousand dollar bond and uh yeah they by the way ahmed had to pay the zane kid he had to get a hundred thousand dollars bail which was all the family's all the family's heirloom jewelry now uh court for carrie uh carrie carrie just admits it carrie spills it gives the whole story and says she'll take whatever deal the state gives her just says whatever resentencing you want to give me just she has no she doesn't have a leg to stand on so she's not really in a room in a place to argue so she's just saying you know do whatever you got to do to me here uh now june 2016 it goes four years almost until rebecca finally her trial is going to finally come up here now rebecca in

2016 uh her they're doing jury selection for her trial and there she is in deep shit she is in texas charged with first degree fucking murder and and diddling a kid right you get that in front of a jury those cool those are the worst ones we don't need this one do we i mean that's what it's going to be here can we drag her behind a bull is that possible because i mean i feel like i mean just put her in an oil derrick come on now not because she's gay because she's a murderer come on now it's for the kid you see this mullet i'm all right with gay can we just sit her asshole on a derrick and just start a pump just a we could you know what we could do it on the good oil days that can be the gusher challenge first one how many times it makes her

how many pumps till she shoots off of there jesus christ see if she explodes like oh it's gonna be amazing first kid that does it wins you're gonna win a ribbon it's like a pinata it's a pinata so at the last minute before the trial is about to start she changes her mind yeah uh she changes her mind and decides that she's going to enter a guilty plea. She's very scared of what she might end up with here. Yeah, she's going to die. Yeah, this was just before jury selection. She in court.

Then she admitted that she participated in the planning of the murder. She was the one who purchased the knife and brought it over. So it wasn't even like from their kitchen or anything. She bought a knife. That's a good stabbing knife. Yeah, perfect. And then used it uh stabbed she also told the judge that she assisted with staging the break-in in the home and disposing of the evidence all terrible things uh the judge says he's gonna sentence her as after she he sentences carrie and we'll talk about that

shit here um yeah uh by the way here uh oh we'll get to that in a second so carrie her sentencing here her attorney is arguing for you know just about about the the length of time at this point he says at this point she's 20 years old yeah um she's uh you know the other one is is facing you know sexual assault charges against her she was an underage kid um you know all that sort of thing he says quote carrie has been covering for rebecca keller for the most uh for the most juvenile of reasons she thinks she's in love with rebecca keller so she's trying to say she was manipulated by an older girl and give her a break he said she he called rebecca he called bunny the real killer he didn't call her bunny probably that makes her less vicious sounding bunny did it yeah

god damn bunny i'm sure it was fine. Oh, that's a goddamn bunny. I'm sure it was fine. What'd she do with a tennis racket? Yeah, come on. In a fucking tennis skirt? Yeah, no shit. So, yeah, but on the other hand, the Keller's attorney, Bunny's attorney, is saying that the only evidence that my client committed any offense comes from Kerry Murphy and a

friend of hers. And that evidence is incredible. Also, the tape recording of her saying in her own fucking words remember when she said it hey guess what so uh remember when she said why'd you look what'd you do i was doing it myself yeah stupid so the uh the judge on this is kerry here for kerry the judge says you young lady i suppose you pedophile you well no pedophile e she's the daughter oh yeah carrie carrie you young lady may fuck off 30 years for carrie it's pretty she could have got way worse by the way she could have gotten uh 60 and she got out before she's 50 years old now yeah we'll talk about when she's gonna get out and uh bunny sentencing comes around

and uh judge has a little less leniency for Bunny here. Bunny, you, ma'am, may fuck off 60 years for Bunny. I'm surprised. 60, 60. Yeah, it's 60, and you've got to do half. Okay. So we'll find out then. Okay.

Now, the prosecutors are happy they didn't have to go to trial because they didn't want to go to trial about Rebecca's either. She took a plea. She took a plea. Yeah a plea yeah she said no no no plea now the prosecutors are happy about this because they did not want to go to trial no with her even though they had a pile of evidence they also had a cop who has just been fired for some misconduct oh no this is sergeant craig clopton that we talked about here craig, what'd you do? Well, let's find out about it here. God damn it, Craig. He was fired after the sheriff's officials say he had disclosed having a consensual sexual contact with a key witness in a high-profile slaying of a deputy. He was fucking one of the witnesses.

What an asshole. It was a huge, it's a big deal. You can't do that. No. That's a big no-no in the homicide detective realm you can't you can't fuck witnesses no that's treatment of the witnesses that have to be adhered to yeah well that screws that ruins the whole trial and so at the time of this uh there was eight pending murder investigations including these two that were that he was involved

in that they were like oh fuck take all the pleas you can that's seriously what happened here did the defense know about that they found out yeah it was public man it came out public he got fired it was a big deal this was uh uh he ended up they said well let's see what they the one attorney said the general idea is that when you have any law enforcement officer especially someone who has that much responsibility commit some act of misconduct and then is terminated that certainly casts a shadow on that person's work, which is fair. This was the deputy go forth was fatally shot on August 28th, 2015, during an unprovoked

attack at a gas station. This guy was just standing there. A deputy was. And so finally, someone later on was charged with capital murder and everything but uh two weeks after this happened prosecutors revealed that a woman who witnessed the shooting had been having an affair with goforth with the guy who was killed the deputy okay so that ended up happening clopton was assigned to interview her because she would know shit she saw the shooting and was having an

affair with him so she would maybe know who would do this so on september 10th he went over to her house where they had drank some coffee made some swall talk and fucked yeah which is so i'm here to talk to you about your dead boyfriend and what is that wallah let me make you feel better my god um wow yeah uh so not great during the i'd have been fine with some freeze dry this is some good goddamn gourmet gourmet shit real tomato ketchup any tell me about my fucking coffee my husband's coffee let me blow you no that's what it is so wow um this is fucking crazy so they're trying to figure out how they're going to go through with these cases and not just bring up they can't put him on the stand anytime

they go put him on the stand every defense attorney's gonna go so you like to fuck witnesses right that's it you fuck any of the witnesses here oh i only objection oh no actually i asked him that because he fucked a witness in another case so it's relevant objection overruled go ahead you fuck witnesses that's nothing you can do about that you tell her you were fine with taser choice did you tell her it's fucking mark firman did you ever say the n-word right and object overruled we've heard he said it so let's hear him say it and he's got to take the fifth or explain his situation so that's that's what happened talk about how many times you said it sir that's That's right. All the context. So, yeah, they said it was relevant to everything.

They said it certainly calls into question his investigatory independence. Now, how high that rises depends on what other additional facts are there. So, yeah, there was other pending cases which were dropped, including one involving a fatal nightclub shooting that he was involved in that they needed him as a witness and they just couldn't do it they said they literally a guy uh charged against an eli rivera jr never went down maybe murdered somebody and he he based his charge the problem is the charge was based on clopton's taking of eyewitness statements which if it was forensics it'd be fine but if he's got to go on the stand said these people tell me that the lawyer goes okay did you fuck them first or after before or after they told you that did you fuck them yeah your testimony screwed oh boy yeah

so he had a he had a hard time here um yeah uh difficult as you might imagine so uh they said as an investigator you hang your hat on eyewitness identification uh that is short-sighted he said it's a knee-jerk reaction on the part of the cops to get eyewitness identification to solve a case and call it a done day anyway yeah whatever that's fine so yeah he's he's done and uh off of there now uh carrie Carrie will be eligible for parole in 2028. Oh, that is soon. Yeah, because she's doing half of 30, so 15

from 2013. That is so soon. And Bunny, 2042. A little longer for her, but still 30 years. Not too shabby. They are still friends and still keeping contact with each other. These two still sending kites and shit. These two are just hanging out in jail together, fucking sending letters back and forth to each other.

Talking through the toilets. Fucking ridiculous. What the shit. I would say what the shit's appropriate for that. That is humble Texas. That is teenage, killer teenage lesbian werewolf vampires from space. Right there. That's the name of the episode, by the way.

It has to be. There's nothing else you could call it that would really be appropriate. That situation right there is what every Texas dad assumes is what's happening with lesbian relationships. So they're just going to grind up against each other and then kill somebody? All right. You're going to kill your mother? All right. Or any of us that object to this shit.

All right. Walks away. So, yes, that's crazy ass humble Texas. And that's just a wild story of that's just some teen shit. I feel like that's some teen shit. That's what you're afraid of. That's what you're afraid of with your kids. You should be.

You should be afraid your kids are going to murder you. Well, I'm trying to get asleep. That's what you're afraid of. That's what you're afraid of with your kids. Always, as a dad. You should be. You should be afraid your kids are going to murder you. While I'm trying to get asleep. That's what I'm saying. So anyway, yes, that is humble Texas. That is Kerry Murphy and Rebecca Keller and poor Marianne Murphy. God damn it. And even Don and his mullet. I feel bad for him.

Poor guy lost his wife. Scott lost his mom. Scott lost his mom. It's bad. And even Kerry, she lost her mom, even though it was up to her to do it she's probably regretting it now I would assume she's sitting there going

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that moved in so good for them you know what talk to Marcus that was his name and he'll tell you all Marcus Cox I think he'll tell you everything

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Joseph Eddington. Edgington. Hannah Risley. Samantha Bott. Darren Hoopke. Stephen Hernandez. Scott Sparks. Normika Glaspie, Hillary Ponko, Lindsay Smalley, Mia Collier, Chupa Mi...

Oh, right. That's Spanish. Chupa Mi Verde. I know that one, you bastards. Courtney Shadgrim... No. Yeah. Shadgrim Granny.

Is that Granny? Granny. Fuck. Last name isim Granny. Is that Granny? Granny. Fuck. Last name is King. What did I do? She's got a nickname and I ruined it. I've got it written as Shad Grim Granny and that's not what it is. No.

Linda with no last name. Emily Grant. Amanda Goldman. Reagan Shalkley. Cynthia Christensen. Christensen. Lily Hill. Lily Hill.

Pock. Pock Salinger. What is that? Doc. Oh, my God. What have I, Pock Salinger. What is that? Doc? Oh, my God. What have I done? Doc Salinger. Salinger.

Yeah, you know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm doing. Karen Allison, Jason Kramer, Hillary Galvin, Lindsay with no last name, Nikki Wingard, Steve Siciliano, Phil Vermuza, Jeff Mauch, Grace McClellan-Webb, Jennifer Zavala, uh, Sonia Van Rensburg, Nicholas with no last name, Cindy Austin, Gaddis Parkolinsky, probably not Parkol, Pakol, Pakolnins, uh, Diana Torres, Doug Habern, uh, Jessica with no last name, Phil Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, Bebesheimer, Knoxinator, uh, Aiden Page, Gordon Bennett, Kelsey Robinson, Abigail Beck, Jacqueline Stigall, Jamie Rawson, Michael Creighton, Ludmilla Banks, Courtney would know last name, Justin would know last name, Jess Starah. Brad McCormick. Ethan Crocker. Samantha with no last name.

Justino Cabrera-Almazon. Francis Wright Olson. Mariah Lawson. Tori Tuchillo. Tuchillo. Jacob Cook. Hugo Kinneard. Antoinette Angelone.

Angelone. Connie Aaron. I think. No. Is that right, T. Grimes, Shea Brown, Katie Garland Noble, Angie Copeland, Noah Wooten, Marcus Barnetson, Meredith Luttrell, Amber Thomas, Michael Reba, Stephanie Olson, and Adam Gaber. Katie with no last name. Allison West, Sarah Peterson, Megan O'Brien, Jamie with no last name. Calvin Maddox. Boy, oh boy, it's deep this week. Love it. Thank you, guys.

Rebecca Russell, John Buck, Tim Hahn, Christy Kahu, Jill Maddell, Deanna Gugliemigli. Probably not. Lauren Miles, Jill Smith, Dominique Wright, Katie Garman, Ninlal McGee, Ellie Bohan, Michelle, no, that's Nicole, Nicole Schoble, Joe Duffy, Eric Curie, Erica with no last name, Emily Langley, Desiree Smith or Zach McKenna, Josh, Becky Brothers, Shannon, no, Sharon, Minetta, Catherine Coase, Sarah Klimko, Zach Sexton, Marlite Phillips, Katie Nicole, Mallory Caldwell. Angie Ward. Tessa Teresa Janik. God damn it. Roe Thorne. Amy Hansen. Zach Markman.

No. Markarian. Yeah. Yeah. Jessica Vian. Kizinya. Kizinya. Koma Karzetsky.

Nice. No. Koma. Carmen. Amber. Asha and John Muth. Shelby. God damn it. Nice. uh delaney cliff delaney sorry james with no last name rina for latte for latte uh ross white heath wolverton wolverton looks like wolverine jude kendall with no last no that's jude kendall jesus that's he's got that's his last name samantha for real tia foshee uh jen lil dove harper jeff graham see uh nicole show show i said that already i think

veronica mathis uh ally shirley jody tristano uh cam lansford cindy would know last name jackie would know last name kendall brook tucker ely uh devon would know don't know last name i write that down and i say that out loud so that I make sure, whatever. Lydia McCormick, Kate with no last name, Mira Rookie, Brandy Wilson, Stubby Ballsack, no, Stubby Mick Ballsack, which makes it much, yeah. Ed Klein, that's Joe Klein. Yeah, Joe Klein's brother, Ed. Michael Cole, Shanna Williams, Thomas Bellinger, Margie Adeline, Maggie with no last name, Crystal Hall, Alicia Duvin, Chelsea Richards, Jeff Rash, Tom Baterman,

Raderman, Jesus, you're not a Baterman, Shanley Gilligan, Paul Vamos, Amy Famous Amos Rodriguez, Colleen Gregory, Nakia Stewart, Tiffany Loveless, Killiam, no, Killam, Killam Sales, Alexandria Myers, Nikita Dia, Homestretch, Mike L., Tiffany Savage, Laura Invaldgibble, no, Ingalby, I think, Joanne Malloy, Aubrey Okenfuss, David Bernhardt, Peyton Meadows, Lucy Love, Tammy with no last name, Griffin Mekelberg, Audrey McCraney,

David Gilmore, Jeremy McDuffie, even when I try to slow it down, I fuck it up, Jenna Keel, Brandon Munchenback, I think? Probably not. Scott failed, Dana Berry. Fuck.

Joshua Lewis. Wendy Brown. Jamie Lynn Cames. Caves. Celeste. Patty John. Leona Messing. Joseph Wetzeneicher.

Wazintech. Juliana with no last name. Melissa Schmaltz. Ivan Gonzalez. Aaron Hudson, Alex Ortiz, Deborah Bwettner, Collin Foster, Lisa Stanton, Kyle Waugh, Chris Davis, Heather Goss, Elizabeth with no last name, Michael Contreras, Ryan Sweet, Eleanor Petter, Michael Lampum, Amanda McWilliams, Susan Talley, Jackie Sukup, Amanda Miller, Corey Raley, Ryan Dempsey, Brendan Williams, Heather Alwazy, Gary Howard again,

thanks Gary, Amanda Knight, Diane McCreary, Lisa Dombrowski, Kira Duhamel, Dana Campbell, James Sheridan, Hugo Kinneard. I think I said that once. Lucky. He must have donated both ways. Thank you. Lucky Duck Hash, and that's a company that makes hash. Ashley Veo, TJ Mack, Jacob Better, Livia, Billy Artemis, Eric Lopez, Martina Lui-Wolonga.

I'm so sorry, Martina. We'll get back there, I promise. James Payne, Mike Weiss, Kirsten Chase, Katie Garland-Noble, Kirsten Cortright, Cody Bush, Kayla Rippey, Ashley Mistarepic, Laura Higby,acy d martini uh melanie regga bonan no raguna uh andrew andrea webster amanda richardson brenda patrick nick hazeltine uh louise rayfield she's been donating so many times thank you so much so much anita tech t camp uh matthew solomon chelsea picker pisker oh she's in up there and uh she's up there in the north tracy reninger james asalta mario guera i think that's my ex-wife's cousin that's fucking bizarre weird thank you mario uh james martyr uh

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whether it be Patreon bonus some video stuff we're gonna come out with a new podcast we're gonna do Vile Human Beings I got PSA Hate This Movie

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