Small Town Murder - #17 - Fame & Fortune From Serial Murder in Great Linford, U.K.

Episode Date: May 10, 2017

This week, we look at the town of Great Linford, in the U.K., where a young man had ambitions of fame & fortune, and tried to achieve them through being a serial killer, with horrible results.Along the way, we find out how a manor becomes a recording studio, how many pubs is the right amount for a town, and how weird an art project has to be, before people start wondering if you're a serial killer!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay. Anyone who's left and keep on going. See you around. Thank you. Okay. Anyone who's left out there, hopefully. Yeah. We're the only show that beforehand we beg people not to listen. We beg you. Please don't listen to this show. You're not going to like it. If you don't like it, go away.

We're fine with that. We're fine with that. Because so many people love it. Thank you, guys. Jimmy, your head just blew up about three sizes too big on that one. Calm down. The people that love it are amazing, too. People still hate us, though, so keep that in mind.

Keep that comic cynicism going in your head. Definitely. Also, this week, like I said, we're going to the U.K. this week. Can't wait. So we will be mispronouncing things. Shit, yeah. Guarantee you I will not pronounce this shit properly. Shit, damn right.

Things will be wrong. We won't know things that are in the thing because it's not our culture. I tried my best. I looked up everything I could. We ask that you find our ignorance charming. That's what we're asking for this episode. Be our wives for a minute. Please find our ignorance charming and indulge us about this. But, uh, so good. Let's head over to great Lindford in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. That's so many words just to say England.

That's a lot of, it's a very English name, too. There's a shire in there, a Buckingham. Yeah. I mean, Keynes, a great. It's in the north. They're so proud. Buckingham Shire is like, I would guess, the province or like the state here, basically. And it's at the kind of the northern end.'s like got a little hump at the top and it's it's up there

in the northern part of buckingham shire real quickly uh great britain if you were so fucking great americans wouldn't have left like we wouldn't be here well stop being so goddamn proud that's what i'm telling you how about just have some humility and just be like britain they have the most humility the birds Brits do. They're the best. Honestly, we have a lot of listeners in UK for our crime and sports podcast. In the shit that they call things they don't. We make fun of soccer.

We rip everything about. We tell them they boil ham. We do all these things, and they send us back love tweets. That's hilarious. We love it. They don't get offended. They don't say it's line out. They just say, that's hilarious.

Thanks, guys. They say, you guys are dumb. It's so funny. Yeah, we enjoy that. So we ask that you as well find our ignorance charming. So this place, it's in southeast England, the southeast part of the country. It's about an hour and 10 minutes outside of London. Yeah. So you can get there. You can get to London pretty quick from here. It's the dialing code. If you want to give it a call is 01908. The dialing code, if you want to give it a call, is 01908.

It is on the website. What they're proclaiming is, quote, great locality, proud community. Okay. That's what they're doing. So, yeah, that's the deal there. Getting a little history about Great Linford. It's Great Linford to distinguish from the even tinier village of Little Linford, which is a smaller town of about 800 people. I like that town better.

That's humility. That's humility. We're little. They're like, no, no, no, great. We are the greatest Linford, which is a smaller town of about 800 people. I like that town better. That's humility. That's humility. We're little. They're like, no, no, no. Great. We are the greatest Linford ever. The first reference to Linford occurs in the year 944. Wow. We're getting, as we do small town murder and we do U.S. cities, we're like, hey, they

have buildings from 1875. And we're like, that's amazing. That's crazy. People got there in 1795 wow things are so old this there is shit here centuries old that they use to just dick around in now it's awesome they have so much of it over there uh 19 or in 944 so you wanted to say 1944 in 944 when this is i gotta give a quote here i don't even know what this means but king edmund gave to his vein al oh my god alfea land at linforda with liberty to leave it to whomever he wished it appears in the doomsday

book as linforda okay so that's what we got there i don't know what the frig that means but anybody out there might have a fucking clue what that is i don don't know. We don't care anyway. I feel he just named it and... Is there a guy named Winford? Is that what he's saying? I don't know what the hell he's talking about, but I'll never think about it again, so it's fine, honestly. We're moving on then. Yeah. It's thought to derive, the Linford is thought to derive from the crossing point between

a river, the River Ouse, it's called, which now separates Great Linford and Little Linford, which is to the north of there. And there's linden trees around there. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's the linden trees. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I'm in.

We're in. We'll go with that. How's that? In the early 16th century, the rector of the parish, Dr. Richard Napier, he's a big-time medical practitioner. And back then, too, that included being an astrologer and a, quote, cure of souls. Wow. So I don't know if he was like—

A bullshit artist. Yeah, I don't know if he was like the Benny Hinn. Yeah. He came in with, like, big hair, sprayed hair, and put his hands on you, like, Hallelujah! All right, now you're English. You're cured! You're English. Now you're English.

You're going to talk with an accent. Boom! There you go. You're going to eat bad food. Pow! Enjoy those bad teeth. That's it right there. Their teeth are better now. Are they? That's kind of an old-school thing. No, I'm sticking with eat bad food. Pow. Enjoy those bad teeth. That's it right there. Their teeth are better now. Are they? That's kind of an old school thing. No, I'm sticking with their bad teeth. I think they have more dental care now.

I think it's better for them now. I don't believe you. Terrible, terrible. In addition, you have Great Linford, which is the, you know, they have a district there. It's got a historic village and all that. There's the civil parish around there. It includes Gifford Park, Blakelands, Neath Hill, Pennyland, Tongwell, Conneborough, Downs Barn, and Downhead Park. Those are all very, I'm sure I mispronounced half of them, but those are all very British sounding and looking names, I got to say. They sound lovely though. Absolutely. They sound like

a lot of brown. They sound terrific right now, I got to say. Linford Manor. It's also known as Great Linford Manor, but it wasn't at the time. It was just Linford Manor. They were like, well, let's add humility back then when they built this shit. It was built in 1678. This is the one that sits there now still. It was built in 1678 by Sir William Pritchard.

Okay. He bought the land from the Napier family, and it's on the site of – it's basically there was an older medieval manor there, and then they built this, like, this will be better than the old piece of shit medieval manor that we have here, which I'm sure wasn't a piece of shit. Right. He passed it – passed on in 1704 to relatives and kind of extended out through there. Yeah. As families kind of thinned out and that sort of thing.

thinned out through there as families kind of thinned out and that sort of thing. It's converted in – first of all, in the late 70s, they tried to convert it into like an activity center. It's like a castle kind of thing. Not a castle, but a manor, like a big manor. And they tried it, but that doesn't work out. I assume it was a funding issue, and then they turned it into a recording studio. Okay. So now it's – For all the rappers?

Yeah, absolutely. It's now owned by Pete Winkleman, who's, that sounds very British also. He's the chairman of the Milton Keynes Dons Football Club. Jesus. Whatever that is. I don't know. What do they record there? Sound things, I guess.

I don't know. If there's another Beatles that come out, maybe they'll record there. I'm not sure exactly what the hell they're doing in there. God, I hope not. I hate the Beatles so much. I'll say it, and I don't care about the ridicule, I guess. Fuck the Beatles. I like older Beatles.

Or not older Beatles, newer. It's whatever. Later Beatles, I like. I don't like the happy suit and tie shit. I like when they're like, I'm tripping hard, and I need to get this out. And that's fine, too. I'm good with that. Trip all you want.

Just shut your fucking mouth. I don't want to hear your stupid lyrics. They're the dumbest lyrics that ever happened. Sure, the fucking beat's kind of catchy. I just hate the Beatles. I can't stand it. At Wisman Sucks is his Twitter, Snapchat, and Instagram if you want to send him hate shit. Don't send it to Small Town Murder and make my poor girlfriend Sarah, who does our social media, deal with a sea of you fucking asshole.

I just hate it. If we're trying to endear ourselves to the British, we're down already because we're going to be mispronouncing things. So right away, they're not going to like that. I'm going to trash their favorite thing. And now you're going to trash the Beatles, too, on top of it. What's next, Jimmy? What else are you going to trash?

Do you want to piss on Princess Di while you're at it? Do you not like her? I really want to see that last hundred hours or last hundred days special that's coming out about her. I can't wait to watch it. That'll be interesting. We've got Great Linford on the mind. She was a wonderful flower. I wish she was a beetle. Then I would have given a shit.

Great Linford was one of the villages. It was incorporated in 1967 with a bunch of those other villages I mentioned, the British sounding villages into North Buckinghamshire villages, as they were all considered. Okay. They all got incorporated into Milton Keynes as a whatever. So that happened in 1967.

Yeah. They had a huge influx of population. This is insane. This parish increased in population. It had 263 people in 1971, the parish. In 1981, it had 11,882 people. What the hell happened? I don't know, but wow.

That's a 4,400% increase in population. That's crazy. The population now of Great Linford stands at 19,350. Still going up. So it's still going up. It's right around 20. And I've seen some reports of, I think that was like 2011. I've seen the reports now.

It's like 2,100 or something like that. 20,100 or something like that. It's a pretty spread out place, it seems like. There's some areas of congestion, but there's a lot of like kind of old, the large estates and manors and that sort of thing, which is what you think of when you think of England anyway. Yeah. Lots of green rolling hills and lots of space in between houses.

Either that or cobblestone streets with prostitutes being disemboweled in them. That's either one. One of the two. It's all we think of. And dark, you know. Prostitutes being disemboweled. Well, we've heard a lot of Jack the Ripper tales. You know what I mean?

What do you want from us? You should have caught them, you bastards. Yeah. Should have caught them. Maybe these stories wouldn't be still going on. Exactly. A few more women than men there. a little above the average of women. It's a woman-heavy area.

Single, the married, there's a little more married than single. These stats, by the way, in England are not kept the same as they are here. Really? Everything is just a million statistics on everything. Yeah. It's hard to find a lot of this information. There is, so I don't know the British averages for this because they vary because some of them include all of the islands and some of them just include England.

Weird. Some of them include Scotland and Ireland and some of them don't include Wales. It's insane. So it's really hard. All I know here is there are more married people than single. Got it. By about, it's about 50% more married people than single people. Quite a bit of divorced people there.

31 same-sex marriages in Linford. Good for you guys, you progressive bastards. I love it. Get it on. A lot of babies, about 1,500 babies in Linford, zero to four years old. I'll call that a baby in the toddler area there. Also, the population really picks up in age. 30 to 44 is the main group here where we have the most people. So it seems like kind of a family place. A lot of little

kids and the largest percentage of people out of just under 20,000 people, 4,300 of them are between 30 and 44. Interesting. So that's a lot. And then 45 to 59 is about another 4,000. So that's about half the people are between 30 and 59. Is there a lot of business there? Somewhat. Not really. It's a small village. It's kind of out there.

I feel like you would commute probably maybe to London or maybe to another place around there. I'm not sure. I'm sure the train shoots you right into London quick. They have very good public transportation over there. So that's a possibility. Mind the gap. Mind the gap, people. Mind the gap.

They have 147 people older than 90. Really? So good for them. Yeah. Good for you guys. Good health care then. Yeah. That's not bad.

That's the thing over there, too, is they can go to the doctor. So they tend to get the shit taken care of over there. We kind of see that here. If you look at the health, they have health statistics there. And of the, say, 20,000 people just around whatever uh 9 523 of them are considered in very good health wow that's the top health bracket very good there's good fair bad and very bad okay and only 214 are very bad wow which i feel like you can take any 20 000 people in america and 5 000 of them are literally two minutes away from death. Literally a surprise or a cheeseburger away from killing right over.

So I'm impressed with that. A sneeze or a deep breath. Just an aorta rips. But out of this, you have 17,000 out of 20,000 people are listed in either very good or good health, which is amazing. That's a huge group there. Now, as far as the ethnic goes, it's mostly white. Not shocking. Fifteen and a half thousand of the 20,000 people are white, which we would expect.

A lot of mixed ethnicity, which, again, in England is very prevalent. Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi. That's what we're doing here. It's a lot of – that's kind of the demographics there. Middle Eastern, yeah. Yeah. 1,700, almost 1,700 black people there. That's great.

Not bad. Good job, England. Look at you. You got some black people and that's good. Let's see here. Religion-wise, about the people that identify themselves as religion. Over there, I think, too, it's a little more casual. Yeah.

Well, atheism over in Europe and in Australia, anywhere like the white region, I don't know how to describe that. That sounds so terrible. The Anglo region? The Anglo region of anything other than America that's not Canada seems to be like an influx of atheism. Yeah. And Europe is not – they're not shy about it. No. Well, this – about half these people identify as Christians.

Okay. But, I mean, we don't know if that's identify like they go to church or whatever. But 6,400 of them identify as no religion. There you go. Which is that's that's way bigger than over here. That's crazy. Over here. That is like that's probably three times as many as we get.

And how shitty is it that I say it's crazy? Like that feels so weird to say. That's amazing. Good for you guys. Keep that up. Definitely. The jobs over there, as far as that goes. We have a lot of them in retail.

Yeah. About 2,200. About 10% of the jobs are in retail. Yeah. And then you just have, you know, manufacturing's about 1,000 jobs, that sort of thing. Just not a lot of any one thing. It's not like a whole, this town is only this. That's great.

These people. Everyone works in the mine or something. It's not like that. Yeah, it's a good variety. You know, a lot in education, health care, that sort of thing. The housing there. I like how they have the housing broken up in the UK. This is so different. They have it into detached, semi-detached, terraced, a flat, which is an apartment, purpose

built, which I guess made to be a flat, a flat that's converted. I guess I don't know. You had a garage before and now it's a flat. And then finally residence in a commercial building. And then after that, caravan, park or temporary. That's living in your car. Right. Or trailer. That's you made a shantytown. That's what that is. The semi-attached part is what I'm kind of fascinated. Semi-detached.

How do you get a semi-detached? They have semi-detached. It's like a townhouse that's not completely attached, but you're like, you know, maybe one little part of it. Like a patio, share something with somebody. What the fuck? That's so weird. That sort of thing. But yeah, it's about 10% of the people live in detached houses, about 10% in semi-detached.

I'm impressed with the fact that only four people live in their car. That's pretty good. They have a four is the number there. Is it a car, a caravan, a park? And that could be, they could live in their caravan because caravan there is like an RV. Yeah. That's what they do. They go on holiday to caravan.

I've seen Snatch. Yeah. I've seen the Inbetweeners. That's why I know that. Perrin Combleau. That's what he says. Yeah. And it's fun.

Sorry. That's great. Brad Pitt did a great job. He did a great job. They're probably like his accent's terrible. Terrible. Fuck you. That's a brilliant accent.

I think it's perfect. As far as the employees there, the work activity here, there's about 6,600 full-time employees there. Would you figure with the kids and with the elderly and sick and infirmed? 2,000 of them are part-time, which is 30 hours or less a week as they define it over there. 1,200 self-employed. About almost 1,000 are unemployed, which isn't bad still. That's not bad. That's out of 20.

That's out of 20,000. That's not too – yeah, that's what we have here. So that's the average in the U.S. You know, you have 1,700 retired, that sort of thing. You know, 560 disabled, long-term sick, that sort of deal. So that's it. That seems pretty low too. It does. It does, yeah. 500 people out of 20,000 that's it. That seems pretty low, too. It does.

It does, yeah. 500 people out of 20,000 that are disabled and can't work? Yeah, it's not bad. In a town like that, I don't know, it feels like it should be higher. I feel like there's less fat people there. Yeah, maybe that's what I'm thinking. Half of our disabled people are just too fat to move. I know a lot of disabled people that don't work. And I don't mean people who are overweight

or chunky. I'm not saying that because I don't care what you are. I'm talking about like terrible, terrible, terrible shapes. They wear like a boot, like a pressure boot on their leg. They need a helicopter to get out of the house. One of those people. That's what I mean. They need apparatus to keep the blood flowing. That's common in the States.

That's very common. Thanks to fast food. Thank you. Thank you, fast food. Now, if we have convinced you to move to Great Linford in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK. You got me. If we've convinced you to do that, we have the Great Linford Housing Report. All right.

Let's see what goes on over there. We have a three-bedroom detached cottage. It's cool. It looks like an old English cottage. It's badass. It's said here that it's a superb location on a quiet high street, a lovely neighborhood with excellent village pub, three-minute walk down the road. All right. That sounds great.

Yeah. That sounds really nice. You live in a nice cottage. You can stumble back from the pub three minutes away. That sounds fantastic. That's 385,000 pounds. I don't know how much that is. I don't know.

It's more than that in dollars. It's probably $600,000. Really? Yeah. So this seems like it's a high- dollar area from what I've gathered here. It's hard to find income levels there in these towns. Like here, this is what everybody makes. There, it's a little more-

Is it secretive? I guess so, because the only way I'm trying to figure it out is by how much houses cost. Okay. It's considered tacky here to talk about your salary, but everybody knows what you make. I don't think it's even considered tacky anymore. People have no shame at all. They just say everything they do here. You can get a four-bedroom detached house and a cul-de-sac.

This is like a really nice house and a nice little set back from the street. Real nice house. 595,000 pounds. Pricey, but it was really hooked up on the inside, too. It was remodeled. It's like a million dollars. It's like a million dollars. It's about a million dollars. Jesus.

Maybe a little bit less. Then there's a two-bedroom, first-floor flat. So if you want to get an apartment, two-bedroom apartment, this is near the canal. I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know if the canal smells like, you know. The canal here is not a good place to be. No, that would just be like, oh, I want to smell, you know, must and urine. That sounds great.

But there, maybe it's good. It says canal living, so I don't know if that's a... You've got a fish there? Is that what it is? Maybe. Because that's what they do here. They got people fishing in our fucking, our drinking water. You can do it for £156,500.

To own it? To own it. Wow. Yeah, this is for outright buying. We're not renting here, Jimmy. This is for people who want to go in there and they want to lay down roots. They don't rent shit. They're not renting shit.

Things to do in Great Linford. If you do go there and you buy a nice house three minutes from a pub. Not a big fan of pub going or canal fishing. What else is there to do? There are pubs. You have the Nags Head Pub on High Street. The Black Horse at the edge of Great Linford by the Grand Union Canal. So you have that going on.

Also, Thursday, May 11th, and I think it's pretty much every Thursday, today, if you're listening to this fresh when it comes out, there's a walking football game. You can do walking soccer. How do you do that? It just says the beautiful game at a walking pace. I don't know if that's for just old people who want to get out and get some exercise. I don't know how competitive that is. I wonder if it's like really fit dudes who are just going at a walking pace but they're like they're in their brains and their faces. They're going at 100 miles an hour.

You know they're really angry. Or it's the disabled people. Those 500 people who are disabled. They're just like yeah you can walk this one. And also there's a cold smoking workshop. A cold smoking workshop. For meat. You know cold smoking meat. I don't know what that is but there's 101 reviews of it. Yeah. And there's a hundred of them are positive. Wow. One

person was like fuck cold smoking. Fuck that. No. Should be done hot. No. My bacon was messed up, and I'm not going back there. Those people can eat my dick. And both bars are named after animals.

That's strange. The black horse and the nag head? That's bizarre. People can eat my cold smoked dick. Let's get into our murder here. Let's get into our murder here. Let's get into our murder of the week. We have to introduce you first to Gregory Davis. Gregory Davis, he's born in 1979.

He's born in Great Linford, Buckinghamshire, England, like we've been talking about. He's a bit of a weird kid. Needless to say, as we're going to get into his later on, that will go without saying, but he's a bit of a weird kid starting out. He's got some quirks, which is weird because his family isn't messed up. They're a nice family. His father is a civil engineer. His mother's a care assistant.

So she does like nursing and things like that. So you would think they're decent, you know, upstanding people. They probably raise them in a nice boring house. Right. This is the equivalent probably of growing up outside of a Midwestern city and your parents are boring and you sit there and you go, I can't wait to get out of here and go to college or go

to New York. I'm going to be on Broadway. I'm going to go to LA and try to be a comic and end up waiting tables. I'm going to do it. Enough with this Canasta Saturday shit. I'm getting out of here. This kid, he goes, he's there. He attends at secondary school. He attends the Radcliffe School, named, of course, after Daniel Radcliffe.

No, it's not named after him. That's all I thought about, though, for this whole time is it's got a big Harry Potter, a giant portrait of him. You're issued a fucking scarf when you enroll. It's like a 10-foot velvet Harry Potter when you walk in the door. It's right there. You're gashing lightning bolts into your forehead every day. Unfortunately, it's not that exciting.

It's just a comprehensive school in Wolverton. That's all it is. Basically, it's a foundation school, which I believe is – I could be wrong, but I believe it is their equivalent to a charter school, a foundation school. They call it a state-funded school where the governing body has greater freedom in the running of the school than in community schools. Yep, I'm going with charter. Sounds like a charter school, but it's still government-replaced. They have grant-maintained schools, so it's basically a charter school. It's that sort of thing.

But anyway, this is where he went. When he was there, he started getting into art a little bit. He took art classes in sixth form, which is kind of their – basically, it seems like between 10th and 12th grade, you kind of figure out what the hell you want to do, whether you're going to university or like a vocational school or what you're doing, and that's kind of like your college prep. This is kind of like late high school there. Rather than just being high school, it's sixth form, which seems to be very focused

on prep for whatever you're doing next. Fascinating. Yeah, it's interesting. That's preparation. We don't have that shit here at all. They're just like if you're for whatever you're doing next. Fascinating. Yeah, it's interesting. That's preparation. We don't have that shit here at all. They're just like, if you're going to- No, get out there. Go on.

You better figure it out yourself. And if you don't, then you fucking flip burgers. Here's a guidance counselor. He doesn't care at all. Go ahead. Meet with him. Enjoy that shit. He just wants to fill your day with shit to do.

That's it. Yeah. He doesn't care what it's geared towards. Anyway, he studies art. Gregory Davis studies art at this. He also studies art later at Northampton University, which is just a public university. It wasn't even really accredited, I don't think, until the 90s. So, I mean, it's not a great university.

It doesn't sound like, but he went to community college is what it was here. One of his works of art made during this period was a trophy plaque. Yeah. Sounds interesting so far. And on it are the names of his favorite serial killers. Wow. That's what he made in art class. I like him already. He was like, are the names of his favorite serial killers. Wow. That's what he made in art class. I like him already.

He's like, look at this, my favorite serial killer. Now, guys out there, everyone, ladies, guys, everyone that's listening. When I say guys, I just mean everyone out there that's listening. We're all into true crime. You wouldn't be listening to this and laughing at shit that we say if you weren't somewhat into true crime. Right. So I'm sure you guys are like, oh, I like him or I like them because they're an interesting story. Right.

You say when you meet, they're not your heroes. No. You're not like, that guy's cool. I love that guy. Yeah, I love that guy. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to make like a shrine to him. I think that's a cool thing to do. Mr. Jonathan Davis of Korn.

That guy's got trinkets from all these fucking weirdos. Well, yeah, unless you're doing it somewhat in an ironic way or there's a tongue in cheek. There's no tongue in anything here. It's just, this is just tongue up a serial killer's ass in his mind. It's somewhat in an ironic way, or there's a tongue-in-cheek. There's no tongue in anything here. This is just tongue up a serial killer's ass in his mind. It's terrible. A fellow student from Radcliffe, from high school, said of him, said, quote, My memory is that his art coursework was rather strange, in that it featured a sofa and a mannequin, both of which had been seriously assaulted with a blowtorch.

Wow. That's his art. That's art. There you go. Now, the thing is, too, like, who are we to judge art? I don't know shit about art. You know, we are the people to judge art because we don't know shit about it. We know nothing.

That's exactly the reason we should be judging it because we look at it and go, I don't fucking want to look at that. Maybe the serial killer plaque and the mannequin blowtorch thing on their own, fine. Together, you go, maybe we should keep an eye on this funny guy. Let's take a look at him. I'm not sure. Now, beginning of 2003, he's almost 24 years old at this point, and he is starting to think about making – he's dreaming of becoming a serial killer. Really? That's his dream.

That's who he looks up to. He looks at that as like, yeah, you can get famous. Yeah. That's like a looks up to. He looks at that as like, yeah, you can get famous. Yeah. That's like a career path. Yeah. You can say Jeffrey Dahmer in any bar and people will be like, that guy's sick. But people recognize who the fuck he is. Yeah, he's infamous.

But I mean like over there or anywhere, you know, this kid wanted to become like a soccer player. You want to become a footballer. You want to do this. You want to do that. A rugby guy maybe. No, no, no. He's just wants, he's like, that Ted Bundy, that fellow there, he had something.

He had some drive. He had some drive. He had some drive. He had some stick-to-it-ness. I think I like him. He's also, at this point, he's 24, almost 24. He's obsessed with serial killers. He's thinking that this is a good path in life. And he's also extremely depressed, has bad social anxiety, and he's drinking heavily.

Then none of that together sounds good. This is a good cocktail, right? Now, this story, I want to say at this moment, has a lot of similarities, not in who he kills or anything like that or who the victims are. It has a lot of similarities in the execution of the crime as last week's episode. Really? Which I did on purpose. Okay. I did that on purpose because I want to show this is a different country, a different place, a different kind of – it's just a lot of different –

It still lines up. It still lines up and how maybe the different countries or different areas react to it also and that sort of thing. So there's just a lot of differences in the results as opposed to over here. So I kind of wanted to do that. He's just got a real psychotic potpourri going on. He's got – yeah. It's not good. It's in the air.

You can smell it and you're like, what is that? That cornucopia is so nasty. Yeah. So he keeps a diary at this point in his life. Oh's got. Yeah. It's in the air. You can smell it. You're like, what is that? That cornucopia is so nasty. Yeah. So he keeps a diary at this point. Oh, boy. OK. Now, anytime these guys have diaries, you know that there's not going to be great. Let's call it what it is.

Let's call the manifesto. It's a little manifesto. But he does his like it's like a little calendar. Like it's just things to do. Yeah. Look at this one. This is what they read this later. And this is a this says it all right here.

It says, quote, quit job tomorrow, get Mick killed, get Stewart to withdraw cash every day. When all gone, kill him. Repeat Mick plan ad infinitum all over the world in Las Vegas and swanky bars. Wow. That's his goal. I like his gumption and just forethought. He's got forethought in everything. In his mind, he's like, I'm going to kill these people, get a bunch of money.

I'm going to keep doing it all over the world. Go to Vegas, be a playboy, hang out. He saw Swingers a couple times. You know what I mean? He was like, I'm going to do that. I'm so money and I don't even know it. That's what I'm saying. This is 2003.

He's like, I saw Swingers when I was like 15 when it came out. And that shit was, I want to be money. That seemed like so much fun. It seemed like fun. I'm going to put a suit on. I'm going to go visit the bar at the Skank Shift. Let's do it. And be all drones up.

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That's a weird phrasing of it. I don't know. Not just like murder dude or kill a guy. Nope. Get this specific man killed. That's it. And then ad infinitum. He just, that's what I mean.

It's like it's just on his calendar, like things to do, like real quick. And in swanky bars. Okay, good. That's good for now. Be money. Mick is a man named Mick Cowles that we're going to meet in a few minutes here. But he made a list of, he was making a list of people to kill. You know, like things to do. I need bread. I need eggs. I need milk.

And I need to kill Stuart when he withdraws me the money. Let's get Mick killed while we're at it. Let's do that. Because he wants to become a successful serial killer. Yeah. He looks at it like it's like a job where if you play your cards right, you can really hit the big time. Yeah, you can really be CEO of Murder, Inc.

So weird. So on January 28, 2003, this is the day after his quit job tomorrow and go get Mick killed and all that, he sets out into the world. Sets out into the world, leaves his house with a hammer and a 12-inch carving knife. That's it. And he's like, alright, let's do this. That's his gig. Gonna get this done.

He first pays a visit to Stuart Johnson, who was the steward who he wanted to keep getting to take money out until it ran out and then kill him. And he couldn't kill Stewart. Luckily for Stewart, he was having his kitchen remodeled. And there was workers at his house. Too many people. Workers at his house remodeling the kitchen.

So he went over, bullshitted with Stewart for a minute, and then was like, all right, got to go. See you later. These are all people that he knows from a local pub. And we're going to find out where that is and everything else. He continues down the list. He couldn't kill Stewart Johnson, so who's next? Mick. Got to get Mick killed, right?

So he heads to Mick Cowell's house. This is Mick Cowell. He's in his 50s at this point. He plans on robbing and killing Mick. That's his whole plan, obviously. He knows all these people from the bar. He knows these people from the pub. It's a small town where everybody hangs out at the pubs.

You know people. This is what happens if Norm went psycho? Is that what this is? I believe so. I believe he would murder Cliff, and then you'd have a lot of problems here. That's what happened. Unreal, man.

Yeah, he knows they hung out at the Pilgrim's Bottle Pub is where they hung out in Great Linford, the whole group here. Mick, at home with Mick also, because Mick isn't the only one there when he gets there when davis gets to the house also with mick is someone else he knows dorothy rogers who's his girlfriend yeah um she is uh she's 48 years old at the time and she hangs out at the pilgrims uh pride with everybody there so her pilgrims bottle i should say pilgrims pride

what is that that's like a shitty brand of something here, isn't it? Isn't it like cheap meat at the grocery store? I think it's my country tis of thee, actually. What? Land of the Pilgrim's Pride. It's my country tis of thee. That's the only time I've ever heard Pilgrim's Pride. I'm pretty sure there's a brand of that, though, that's like cheap meat at the grocery store. I'm sure it's like Pilgrim's Pride cornstarch.

Yeah, exactly. Put it on something, fry it up, or whatever you do with cornstarch. I don't know what you do with cornstarch. Something that makes people fat. Yeah. So anyway, Mick and Dorothy are well-liked people. Also at the house is Dorothy's 19-year-old son, Michael. He's hanging out there, too.

So we've got a 19-year-old. No children, anyway, which is good. 19-year-old. We have the 50s Mick. We have a 48-year-old Dorothy. So they're well-liked people, Mick and Dorothy. Everyone down at the Pilgrim's Bottle likes them. They're just good people, basically.

No one has a complaint about these people. They're good, upstanding people. Davis is set on something happening today. He wants to kill Mick, even though this is not the ideal situation with other people in the house. And it wasn't what he thought it was going to be. He thought Mick would be there. He'd go over, kill him, hammer him up a little bit, stabby-stab, and then take off with some cash. And next thing you know, he's calling women bunnies.

Right. You know, hey, you're just a little bunny. And that's it. You know, that's what he was thinking. So he starts an argument with Mick. I think they called them babies, though. Little babies. Well, she said that he's like, she's like a little bunny.

Okay. He's trying to tell Favreau to go up to the little bunny. Right, right, right, right. Get the little bunny out of your hand and all that shit. He's like, they're just the little babies. The little babies. Either way, insulting as fuck. Anyway.

Either way, very insulting. So he starts an argument with Mick. That's what he's going to do here. This is his plan. After a minute of arguing, he just attacks Mick with the hammer. Yeah. He starts going to work on Mick with the hammer. Yeah.

He hurts Mick really bad, leaves him in a pile in the kitchen, but he's alive still. Oh, boy. Mick did not die from the hammer attack because Gregory had to stop because Dorothy was freaking out because he's beating her boyfriend to death in the middle of their kitchen. That's kind of a deal that someone would freak out about. I would imagine there's probably blood spatter everywhere. This is not cool, right? So she's there.

What's he going to do now? Focus on her. He's going to go over. He's going to start whacking the shit out of Dorothy with a hammer. So he goes over now focus on her he's gonna go over he's gonna start whacking the shit out of dorothy with a hammer so he goes over starts beating her with a hammer she goes down she isn't moving but he says look i know she's not moving but i'm not finished yet he said let me i brought two things with me i brought a hammer and i brought a knife i had this 12 inch carving knife i better stab her with it 31 times j Jesus. 31 times. And that's not the worst thing he does today, by the way.

Wow. 31 times. That is – That's prison stabbing. That's so many times. That's just a guess at that point. And he doesn't even know that he hit her 31 times because you lose track after that. And when they do the autopsy, who knows if some are inside of some and double – you don't even know.

It's just about 31. There's no way to even – That's how many it is. So now where's Michael? We have a 19 year old kid unaccounted for here. He witnesses the whole thing from the other room. He walks in. He sees Mick on the ground. He sees his mom getting after she's completely bashed in her skull.

And now she's getting stabbed repeatedly. So, you know, Gregory looks up and he's like, oh, shit. Michael's here. What do I do here? Michael. Imagine that eye contact moment of, oh, no, I'm going to run. And he's like, oh, shit, if he runs, I got to chase him. One of those things.

So Michael takes off out of the house, runs out of the house, through the door, out the door. And he had that I'm too old for this shit moment. He's like, I can't run, but I got to go get him. Davis hopped right up, really Dorothy, out the door, and chased him down. He chases him down, finally catches up with him right nearby the house, like a couple houses worth down in a children's playground. Oh, no. Where witnesses of parents and children who were at the playground got.

Holy shit. Yeah, this is horrific, man. Got to watch Davis, Gregory Davis, stab Michael to death, catch up with him, stab him to death. Then he disembowels him at the park in front of parents. I hope that the parents would have brought their children away once the disemboweling started. I would have just hoped so. He's field dressed in front of all the kids. In front of, at a children's playground.

Kids, parents, everyone, people looking out of windows in the middle of broad daylight. This is broad daylight. And at that moment, he doesn't think, damn it, I just ruined being a serial killer because everybody is seeing this now. Everybody saw this? No. I don't know what he was thinking to do this. Police are called, obviously.

I'd like to hear that because they're very polite in Britain. They don't get real worked up about shit like that. I don't mean to be a bother. I just don't mean to be a bother. But there's just something you might want to know about just uh you know i'm staring at intestines at the moment yeah no it's not 9-1-1 over there no it's 999 999 yeah he is so he's arrested obviously because you know he bad enough that he's in the house and he's got fingerprints all over everything and he's got a diary and everything else but you know everyone saw him disembowel a teenager. That tends to get you, you know, a little arrested.

A little attention and a little bit of handcuffs. A little arrested most of the time, yeah. So he's arrested. He admits to the murders. He says, yeah, sure, I did it. I mean, what else is he going to say, honestly? My planner's ruined. I've got so many appointments that I'm not going to be able to keep now.

At least I quit my job. At least I'm not going to have ships piling up where I'm going to have to make them up and then I'm going to lose all my PTO. It's terrible. I hope he got arrested by a female cop and he was calling her bunny and baby. That would have been great. Let's just go to Vegas, baby. Vegas.

Come on. Be money. We'll go to Vegas. So he's held until this happened in January. So he's held until December 15 15, 2003, where he stands trial at the Luton Crown Court, which I'm sure I said that wrong. Luton, but it's L-U-T-O-N.

Looks like Luton to me. It's probably like Luton. It's Futon with an F, so we're going to go with Luton. How's that? It's like a futon. I like it. He pleads guilty to manslaughter. They allow him to plead guilty to a lesser charge of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished

responsibility. Why is that? Now, if we remember last week, this guy had voices and was trying to go to the hospital for votes. This guy sought no help. Yeah. He just claims that he was in a psychotic rage. Yeah.

That's his claim. I was in a, quote, psychotic rage. The judge, Justice Richard Akins, accepted the plea after a team of five psychiatrists, all five. I don't know if they're easier to fool over there or what, but they diagnosed him with a major depressive disorder, social anxiety disorder and alcohol dependence. God, they're so kind. And said he was suffering as a psychotic of a psychotic suffering from a psychotic episode. Here in America, they find that that day planner and go this is preparation that's calculated that's premeditated and also things like depression social anxiety and there are major depressives that are like that we've talked about

there but i mean depression social anxiety and alcohol dependence are considered tough shit in this country that's called you should have got some fucking help the guy last week had all of those things plus possibly paranoid schizophrenia. And his ass is doing, what, 97 years or some crazy shit like that. So he's allowed to do this. I don't understand it. The judge said here, Richard Aikens said, quote, I'm satisfied you are suffering from mental illness and it is appropriate that you be detained in a hospital for mental treatment. My God.

That's what he says. Unbelievable. The poor family. The poor family when they're watching that. Yeah. But he does, he sentences him to an indefinite term of being locked up. So like, look, we're going to throw away the key. We're locking you up.

He's gone. They don't have that here. They don't have an indefinite. No, they have a, yeah, and they will hear if once you're okay, then they'll send you to prison afterwards. That's it. Then it's like, oh, now you're okay to go to prison. So we'll put you in prison and someone can stab you. And there you go.

Right. The court was the court was stabbed and raped, stabbed and raped him. Sorry, that's not about prison. So it's just how it goes, man. That's our society. We're just being realistic. So the court was told that Davis's original idea had been just to kill Mr. Cowles there and been just he got there to kill Mick.

But, you know, things got out of hand. Listen, there's more people to kill. Yeah, that's what I mean. His own attorney said that he had ambitions to be a serial killer and was fascinated with mass murder and killers. They read the excerpts from the diary that we've just told you about, kill Mick, all that shit. So, you know, at that point, it's a little.

It's a slam dunk. It's a slam dunk. But in mitigation for this, which is trying to plead your case for a lesser sentence, his attorney, Davis's attorney, said, quote, the general public must appreciate this was the action of a sick man. Yeah. I'm sure it was. I don't disagree. But that's not the point. It doesn't mean he doesn't need to be penalized severely for it.

Yeah. He's given an indefinite sentence and to be served at Broadmoor Hospital. And he's taken away out of there and he's put away locked up for good. Right, he's given an indefinite sentence and to be served at Broadmoor Hospital and he's taken away out of there and he's put away, locked up for good, right? Yeah. This is over. It's obviously over. Completely over. Oh no, we're only about 44 minutes into the show. It's not over yet. God damn it.

Okay. Yeah, it's not over. Within months of being locked up, within three months, he recruits a human rights lawyer. Oh no. And this is on 10, this is for his legal aid. This is with 10,000 pounds of taxpayer money to use this. They start battling for his release right away. What?

Right away. Yeah. They're claiming that he had a psychosis caused by a reaction to medication he'd been taking for depression. I don't care. Yeah, that's sorry, dude. On November 16, 2009, this is six years later, they've been fighting for him this whole time, by the way, he's moved to a less secure facility. What?

That's not even close to the end of this. You're going to be really pissed in a minute. In Littlemore in Oxford, okay? Littlemore is the name of the facility. It's in Oxford. He's said to be doing well in his treatment where he's there. They allow him to take trips to see his parents in Great Linford, the town

that he did this shit. Oh, guess what? Unsupervised. That was the next question I was going to ask. Who went with him? Nobody? He just goes? I picture like a prison guard with a shotgun standing next to him the whole time. It's tethered to him by a handcuff while he's shackled. Nope. They just send him up. There you go.

Hop him on the bus and go visit your family. Off on the train with you. There you go. Wow. Two hours a week. What? Two hours a week. He got to go see his parents. Two hours that he gets to spend with them and plus the commute? Just a two hour window he can get out and then come back.

They don't say that. They don't say that. It's probably two hours with the family. That is ridiculous. I don't care if it's 10 minutes. What are you doing out? Lock him up. He's an asshole. He's outside the gate.

I don't care where he's going. I don't like that. And people in Great Linford shouldn't really like that either, probably. Yeah. Now, March 2011, they hold a medical health tribunal. And they hear that they pitched their case to them, these lawyers. They say that it was a psychotic episode brought on by alcoholism and a bad reaction to medication. Just, he's fine now.

He's a fine, upstanding young citizen. It's not an allergic reaction. He killed people. He doesn't have hives. No. He fucking murdered people. He has a 12-inch carving knife. That's what he has with a kung fu grip and spring action.

That's what he's got. It's not difficulty breathing or watery bowel he's got he's murdering people he's got murdery bowels is what he's got which i don't know if that's worse than watery but this isn't so much as goddamn the side effects to a pill this is murder so they're talking about releasing him straight releasing him uh they another they had another mental health tribunal and hundreds of people staged a huge protest, sit in campaign against his release. They started a Facebook group called We Are Against a Brutal Double Murderer being released

into the community. That's the name of the Facebook group. That's pretty straightforward. And it's only double by luck and chance. It should be triple. It should be triple. He tried to kill another guy. Yeah, he tried his hardest.

A friend of the Rogers family here, a family friend, said, quote, there is no doubt whatsoever that this is an extremely dangerous man. Surely nobody in Milton Keynes is safe if a killer is allowed to walk free. Is it crazy that he can suddenly be declared sane after six years? What happens if he forgets to take his pills? If the mental health professionals think he's fit to leave, then he should be taken to prison to serve the sentence he deserves. Good Christ, I hope he forgets to take those pills. Those things cause him to be a murderer.

Apparently so. Now he's all fine. I hope they got that shit off the market there too, whatever he was taking. Now they're giving it out like candy, I'm sure. Now, August 2011, his lawyers have convinced mental health experts that his killings were just a bad reaction, and now he's cured. Despite a citywide protest, unbelievable, they grant him a conditional discharge to leave the secure mental health prison.

Dorothy's son, Fred Rogers, as you might imagine, is not happy. He tells him it is not a beautiful day in my fucking neighborhood. I am angry. I'm going to put my cardigan on, change my shoes, and then I'm whooping your ass. That is a Mr. Rogers reference for anybody out there who missed it. I'm bringing Lady Fairchild with me, and we are going to have a great day. Yes, exactly. So Fred Rogers says, quote, we are appalled.

How can a psychopathic double killer suddenly be cured and safe enough to return to society after just seven years? No shit. Members of the Rogers family, they fought with the authorities now to make sure that Milton Keynes, the whole area was a an exclusion zone where he wasn't allowed to come. And they found out, oh, no, we can't do that. And we've been letting him go there for the last two years, by the way. Also, two hours at a time. No problem. He's could go there for the last two years, by the way, also. Two hours at a time. No problem.

He could have drove right by your house and you don't even know it. So that's what's, I mean, he could have walked in front of your house. Well, you're sitting there with your family eating boiled ham. He's coming right the hell by on his way to visit his folks. Free and clear. No problem. And they tried to tell the family that he wasn't going to be allowed there, which he is. Fred said again, back to Mr. Rogers here, he said, quote, we're told he won't be allowed in Milton Keynes after his release, but while his father and sisters still live there, we

have no faith in the exclusion zone. Many people who knew my mother and brother will still be terrified. No doubt. I don't blame them, honestly. I'm terrified, and I'm still this many miles away. Yeah. He said, even if the experts believe he is miraculously cured, he should be transferred to a normal prison to serve the rest of his sentence.

He should not be living next door to ordinary people. What makes it even worse is that the authorities did not even warn us the decision had been made this month. We only found out last week what happened when we made an inquiry. They asked and they disclosed it, thankfully. And they were like, oh, yeah, by the way, we let him out. Yeah. Oh, that guy? No, he's not here. They didn't contact the family. They didn't have a chance to speak at the hearing.

Like, hey, by the way, here's a picture of my disemboweled little brother. Maybe you want to take a look at that. Unbelievable, man. So, yeah, he's going to be allowed out anywhere he wants for a couple hours a week in the run-up to his release because they do kind of a test run. Make sure he doesn't hack anybody up in the interim here. Sure, sure. So he— Justify our decision.

Exactly, exactly. So it says thatify her decision. Exactly, exactly. So it says that he'll be monitored by psychiatrists. He's going to move to a secret address within the community so no one can fuck with him. That's not good either. No. Well, I mean, people would be picketing his house and they'd have to have cops protecting him all the time.

I understand that, but they're also enabling him in being covert and undercover. True, but they're also... Which is exactly what a murderer wants. They're also saving money in police protection, I think, too. That's honestly what they're thinking. We can't just, we'd have to have officers outside of his door 24 hours a day. They can look at it the way they want.

I'm looking at it in the cynical, like, I don't want to be a victim side. True. I understand that. But as a community, I think it's, how else do you release a guy? You're right. You're just like, here he is. This is his address. Go knock on his door.

Have fun. In America, TMZ and the media would be all over his fucking house. It's a small town, which is the people there are like TMZ. This is amazing. He blamed the bloodbath killings on a bad reaction to antidepressants he was taking at the time. It's like he had a bad day at the office and suddenly is cured. That's what one of the relatives said. He said, we have no idea where he's living or what these conditions are.

We are disgusted that Davis has been freed. But more than anything, we're worried. How do we know when he'll attack again? My family has got a life sentence and Davis can just walk free. We are disgusted. Where's the justice for us? Who's to say that if he takes another course of medication, it won't have an effect on him? Yeah, exactly.

These are all obvious things. It's just silly that he's blaming it on antidepressant. Antidepressants literally, by definition of antidepressants, they're supposed to make you happy, though. That's the idea. They do cause psychotic episodes and a lot of teen suicides and shit like that. But generally, they don't disembowel people and chase people. They don't cause this normally. This is rare.

Hammer attacks with giant carving knives. This is pretty brutal. with giant carving knives. Yeah, exactly. This is pretty brutal. Now, the spokesman for the government said that conditionally discharged patients may be recalled to a secure hospital if there's evidence of increased risk to the public. So they're like, hey, if he messes up, we're going to keep an eye on him. We're going to recall him back.

Okay? Keep that in mind. But if he messes up the way he messed up last time, it won't matter anyway because somebody's dead. Yeah. An officer who worked on the case said, quote, Davis was clearly deranged and very dangerous. He should be detained as a matter of public safety, which I agree with that guy. Now, in 2014, the conditions of his release are lifted, and he is a free man.

Free man. 11 years after doing that, he's 100% free and clear, doesn't even have to report to anyone, doesn't have to check in. He doesn't have anybody just going, hey, Greg, how are you feeling today? This is ridiculous. How many pills you got left, Greg? You taking them? This is terrifying.

Unbelievable. So he, in July of 2014, Davis sends a 1,600-word email to the local paper where the victim's families live because they're talking shit about him. So he's trying to explain himself. trying because they're all they're talking shit about him so he's trying to explain himself and in that email he claims that he thought he thought the world was a video game emanating from a blue orb on the back of his head and the only way he could escape this unreality quote was to commit horrific crimes wow would you like to know about an excerpt of that letter no i do and i don't at the same time but let's hear it let's's hear some crazy here. This is fucking bananas. He said, quote, I thought that nothing was real in the world except me and that I had created the world as a game to test my belief. I believe this information was emanating from a blue orb in the back of my head and I had to do what it was telling me. I was convinced through the delusion that I had to be the opposite sort of person of to how I had been in order to break out of the unreality of the world that I thought I was trapped in. He's writing this on paper. This is a lot of rambling.

Since in my life I had always been a law-abiding, polite, and kind person up to that point, I was deluded into believing that I had to do terrible things like killing people. Of course, the terrible acts I committed will never be healed for the victim's families, and I live with the part of me that's destroyed by what I did. All I can do is try to live as good a life as possible and make a positive difference where I can. A positive difference. Wow. Let's get him working with kids.

What do you say? Let's make a positive difference. Maybe he can go be a soccer coach or something. I'm going to go save lives and work on the suicide hotline, all that stuff, too. This guy, this is ridiculous. The delusions are still there because he thinks that he can do something positive. Nobody wants to fucking be around you, bro. Let's hear the positive that he put into the world.

I can't wait. He's a fan and subscriber and a donor to a complete blowhard asshole on YouTube named Archie Luxury. Look him up. He's a British asshole. He claims to be a fine watch expert. And he's just a scumbag who goes on. He's like this episode is how to pick up chicks with

watches with your fine watch. And he supports that guy financially. He literally just tells everyone how to be a douche bag. Have a $25,000 watch and this is how you play it to get chicks to like you. You can't just walk up and tell them this watch cost me $48, dollars you have to walk up i swear to god this was one of them you have to like go up to a sales girl and you have to say hey this watch

here that i have and she knows what that is and you say well i'd like to look at the female version of this so they know that you're it's insane this guy he's a huge huge asshole. He's a fat guy, dumb hair, stupid hair. His hair is ridiculous. I'm sorry. Obsession with Asian girls. Obsession with submissive Asian girls. They love Thailand. Like that's the type of assholes these people are.

Just the most misogynistic piece of shit on earth, kind of like that. That's all he is. But with a fancy watch on that he thinks makes everything okay. It's Tom Likas. It's Tom Likas on YouTube but with a fancy watch on that he thinks makes everything okay. He's Tom Likas. He's Tom Likas on YouTube. With a fancy watch that he thinks. So Greg Davis sends him money. He sends him fancy whiskey.

Wow. This is like he just loves his whole lifestyle. Greg makes a video for his channel at one point, and in this video, he has been taken down now. He's flashing his watch collection. He's wearing a $25,000 Patek Philippe watch. He's wearing it? Gregory Davis. Wow.

Showing it off, sipping very expensive liquor. He's drinking liquor. He's drinking whiskey. He's allowed to drink booze. I mean, he's walked away. He's fucking drinking whiskey. Anyone who sees him drinking whiskey should be allowed to hit him with a fucking hammer. Stop drinking whiskey.

You obviously can't handle it. Don't put anything inside your body that changes you, you dick. Unbelievable. People are fucking pissed now because now they're like, oh, look at him. And not only that, he's flaunting his lifestyle. Where is he getting this money from, which we still haven't figured out? And obviously he's not supposed to be drinking. A former friend of his from back in the day before he killed two people said, quote, the thought of Greg Davis drinking alcohol again and spending thousands indulging his passion for watches is disgusting.

He should have never been freed after such a horrendous crime. And that's his buddy. He's not wrong. He's like he's drinking like an asshole. His friend sounds great. So Archie is planning Archie luxury asswipe here. He's kind of like a blowhard. Like he's like if Rush Limbaugh was only into watches and not politics and sex with enslaved Thai girls and boys probably.

Who the fuck knows? So Archie Luxury is planning a sex tour of Thailand with a few select people. Like openly? Oh, yeah. This is just we're going over there to get gross. It's going to be disgusting. Who's on board? To get gross.

To get gross. It's going to be disgusting. Who's on board? To get gross. Getting gross. With a few select people, including a guy named John Sukahorn, who is a Thailand visitor and enthusiast and has all these YouTube videos about Thailand and how he slept with like half a million prostitutes or something he claims. It's some insane number.

And of course, Greg Davis is going to go on this trip with them. Unbelievable. All is fine until a security check that they're all doing to go over there reveals that Greg is a guy who killed two fucking people and they didn't know about it. Oh yeah, this guy disemboweled somebody. Mr. Luxury had no idea. No idea. Not only a convicted killer, a horribly gruesome convicted killer. So he's banned from the trip, obviously. They said, no, thank you. Sukahorn, a prostitute pervert there disavows davis completely says i don't want anything more to do with this guy i'm not friends with him archie is said to have severed ties but then he won't say anything bad about him

this archie because i think i think he's still sending him money yeah i think he's still sends him money sends him booze it's one of his donors i don't think he wants to piss the guy off so he's like oh well yeah i can't go on a vacation with him, but I have a feeling they're still pals type of thing. It's one of those shit. I like good scotch, and I don't want Greg to stop sending it. Yeah, I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I don't want to chase anybody down in a kid's park or anything like that.

So he's living now, Greg Davis, at an unknown location, wearing fine watches, drinking the best whiskey. Hope you get hit by a fucking trolley, asshole. He's still out there. He's out there. Oh, by the way, Mick Cowles died after a fall in his own home at age 63. Jesus. He fell down in his own home and died at 63.

He was planned to be murdered. I hope it wasn't in that beautiful kitchen. Oh, no, that's the other guy, Stuart Johnson with the new kitchen. That would have been a shame if they just got installed. Oh, so Mick's the guy that got beat up. He died on his own in a fall. He died on his own in a fall. He died on his own on a fall. I got to say, the Stuart guy, imagine if this happened like a week later and the kitchen was done.

It was all perfect, and then he came in and brained the guy in the kitchen. That would have been awful. Just a shame for the cabinets, too, because they wouldn't have been able to sell the place. It would have been terrible. With a brand new kitchen, you just invested. Beautiful, brand new, blood-stained oak. That's great, Linford, in the UK and Buckingham Shire, England, and that's Gregory Davis. And he's still out there for you.

Be scared. He is still out there for you guys. Hey, English people, I called them English fecal. That is terrible. That's terrible. You're not fecal, guys. English people. I don't know of many people that we have on the streets like that.

No. That have killed three like that. I'm sure there's a lot. I'm sure there are, but I don't know of them. But this is what I mean. I wanted to show the difference between our guy. And I don't even mean, I'm not saying we're better at this. It's just our systems are different.

Right. And I think they're a little more trying to help a mentally ill person, whereas we're like, wow, shit, that's one more we can get off the street in this country. Like, we don't. Mental health care is not a thing here. But mental health is not a thing there either, because they're not doing anything to help the guy. He's out there unsupervised just doing whatever he wants to do. He sat there for eight years in jail, and that cured him.

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