Small Town Murder - #191 - Like Severed Legs At A Wedding... in Fairfield, Ohio

Episode Date: October 1, 2020

This week, in Fairfield, Ohio, a picturesque wedding, beside a river, ends in horror when a bridesmaid sees a severed leg, washed up on shore. The investigation of the legs uncovers more than everyone bargained for, when we find out where, and how the deceased spent their last moments. The craziness that ensues is one for the books. Betrayals, befriending other murderers, and, of course... Satan! A roller coaster, from start to finish!! Along the way, we find out that no matter how well you plan your wedding, nothing is fool proof, that it seems impossible to sacrifice an owl, and that you can't trust anyone, including your murder partner!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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killing for the darkest of reasons, or maybe just for a good time. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today again on another wild, crazy edition of Small Town Murder. And today, let's just say buckle up because it is an insane episode full of crazy people. And I don't even know what else to say. I'm just going to I'm not even going to give it any more of an intro. Terrific. The top of the show is about all you're going to get because it's crazy. Thank you guys, first of all, for everything you've done for us this week. And you know what?

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That was a great idea. And we're going to do it. Murder houses that were for sale. So we're going to do real estate report of murder houses is what we're going to do. That's the bonus episode this week. The one that I saw in Minnesota was a beautiful little house. That's what you never know. And I was in the cul-de-sac.

I had to ask somebody sweeping which house was the murder house. You never know. She didn't want to tell me, but she did. She did. There's a line of lakes there. But yeah, this week we'll do that. And what do we say on Crime and Sports we're doing? I always forget by Wednesday.

Oh, the bonus one for them? Jesus. It's the thing. It's the sports teams from prisons. That's right. We're doing prison teams right so it'll be that's going to be wild too because it's i've seen so much weird stuff startup the reason the cancellation all the bullshit that went on in between patreon.com slash crime and sports or

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It's not what we're doing here. They're dying anyway. And you have people, you have date lines and things like that are very serious and somber about it for us you know it kind of affects us a little differently and we try to make jokes about it it makes us feel better about the whole thing and hopefully makes you feel better about the whole thing it's easier for me to sleep at night that's the thing and what we do to make that okay we go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims families because we're assholes but we're not scumbags to me.

So that's how it works there. We're going to have a good time otherwise, and that sounds good to you. Man, we're going to have a blast. If not, you shouldn't listen, maybe. You don't want true crime and comedy at all together. Don't get mad at us later on. I'm not okay with this. For the rest of you that want to have a crazy time, let's do this.

From the bottom of the lungs, shout it out. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, the bottom of the lungs shout it out shut up and give me murder let's do this jimmy i would love to go somewhere let's go on a trip yeah let's do it we're going to the midwest that was a little fast sorry all right it's all right let's go yeah we're going on a trip we're going to fairfield ohio yeah oh baby where's that suburbs of cincinnati oh boy i wonder if you can smell the sulfur from out there down south and i don't i'm not speaking out of turn here by the way we went to cincinnati we've gone there a couple times love doing live shows in cincinnati great crowds yeah we love bogarts great crowds they're awesome but downtown cincinnati has a certain certain je ne sais quoi of sulfur and zoo animals and their

excrement that yeah comes together to make a potpourri nice kentucky waft it's a it's special to that area i was gonna say it's a it's a cincinnati cinnamon is what i call it you know what i mean that's what that's the set and i like is it just me so we have a friend who's from cincinnati and i texted him you know before i was standing outside the hotel of my suitcase and i'm like just does cincinnati smell a little funny and he he texts me back oh yeah that's the sulfur in the zoo he goes you're right downtown oh you're gonna smell that the whole time you're there he goes you'll get used to it after a while no you won't no you won't so that's cincy this is in southwestern Ohio, 30 minutes outside of Cincinnati.

It's out in the burbs. Cincy knows that it's not a great smell. The reason that I know that is because they fly you into another fucking state. Yeah. Because they don't want people to fly into downtown and be like, I am not staying here. I changed my mind. Airplane's the lever right there. And that's why we like Cincinnati, too, because they know it and they don't mind if you laugh at it they're like i know isn't it terrible i

that's why i love people from from back there man they're cool as shit so 50 minutes to dayton ohio you go north and about four and a half hours totally the other side of the state for brookfield township ohio which was our last episode, episode 153. So it's been a little while here. It's been almost a year. This is in both Butler and Hamilton counties. So it kind of crosses over. Area code 513.

It's a big town in terms of mileage. It's 20 square miles. So that's why it kind of laps over counties. The motto of this city. This is on their state seal and everything. Oh, boy. Quote, City of Opportunity boy quote city of opportunity the city of streets are paved with gold right jimmy um or this is the other one this is kind of a more of a response sometimes it's an addition sometimes it's an alternate this is more of a rebuttal

rebuttal it's a city of opportunity or hey calm down this is still Ohio. So one of the two. Chill out with all that opportunity. Calm down. If you've watched Goodnight Sugar Babe, same state. That's what I'm saying. It's a problem. Hey, calm down. Same goddamn state. Until you get rid of the Sugar Babe family, let's calm down about the opportunity because

it hasn't worked out for everyone so far. And if there's one, there's more. There's more. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Oh, lots of fire. right bubbling under the surface so uh this area here we'll do a quick history because the story's deep and we want to get to it fast here but the uh the history of this prior to like white people coming here basically there was several different indian tribes here yeah the shawnee the miami yeah uh indians were here uh hopewell and adina peoples

also they had pre they're like prehistoric people they built they constructed earthworks all around the city awesome which is cool as shit uh totally cool but most of them were removed without even knowing it by the early settlers to make oh my god they just plowed over it to do farm fields didn't even notice they were there idiots all of this amazing historical i mean this could have been like you know machu picchu part well maybe not machu picchu could have been something amazing could have been something where people would come to it to see it and instead it's just nope some farms that aren't there anymore now it's suburbs and subdivisions and houses and all these t-rex skulls throw these in the trash what is this this is garbage what is this a mastodon of some kind hey i found another

one of these fucking mastodons again just toss it right just all right i'm tossing it but give it to the dog okay they were serving food on stegosaurus plates what kind of fucking prehistoric clowns were these the dog likes pterodactyl beaks so if you come up with any of those throw them in the bucket like a pig like a pig here yeah that's exactly how i am very crunchy very crunchy that's the prehistoric figure i figured unbelievable so early settlers here had battles with native americans let's just say they weren't ready to just give up the land they were not okay with it well i mean you know destroying everything yeah i came and destroyed destroyed all the earthworks right so they kept the uh the battles

kept people from really settling here and also it was cold and they couldn't build good structures because they'd be attacked all the time. So nothing permanent could happen. If only you had earthworks to hang out in. One account I found of it. This is a person writing of being an early settler, which we can find out here. To go on their lands was almost certain death. I guess this is the Native American lands. And to stay in the villages without employment brought them to the verge of starvation.

American lands and to stay in the villages without employment brought them to the verge of starvation. The inhabitants generally were stinted in the means of sustenance and depended chiefly on game and fish with such agricultural products as they could raise in the immediate vicinity of the villages. After they had endured these privations as long as they were tolerable, the more resolute determined to brave the consequences of moving their land. They don't seem to want us here. This is Ken Burns, Fairfield, Ohio. That's what this is. The plan they adopted for safety was this. Those families whose lands were contiguous united together to accomplish their purpose in this.

A number of distinct associations were formed for mutual protection. They circled the wagons, except with houses. That's it. It's called building a camp. That's what it is. Each party erected a strong blockhouse, like we saw in the New York episode. Remember Stillwater?

Right. The blockhouse, that's the type of thing, with cabins and enclosed log pickets and all that sort of shit. During the day, one of them was placed as a sentinel to watch the approach of the enemy.

They had like a lookout at all times. Like a crow's nest? Yeah, they had a crow's nest up there. Jesus Christ. Sniper tower? While people were working, and then at sunset, they returned and they would take everything of value within the fence, basically. They would bring it all in.

Kids, get your bike in the garage. Someone's going to steal it. Like a motorcycle shop. You put all the bikes out every day. And then right back in at the end. That's how it works. It is amazing that we have this land. It is so insulting.

It's fucking weird. Hey, I came much later. Yeah, I get it. My people didn't get here until the fucking 40s. Well, my people are the ones that did this shit. Yeah, we were like, huh? What happened? Somebody related to me has a letter like that locked away. Our people are just like, I'm going to open up a barbershop right there. That's good, huh? What happened? Somebody related to me has a letter like that locked away.

Our people are just like, I'm going to open up a barbershop right there. That's good, right? Everybody needs a haircut. It's perfect. You guys want us here, right? All right, we'll stay with you. No, we're staying anyway. But we'll cut your hair and we'll make food you like.

So that's all. Hey, you like us now? So let's get to some reviews of this stuff. It really is. It's fascinating that somebody can write that and be like, but I'm not leaving. What? What are you talking about? Bring it in.

Bring it in at the end of the night. That's it. But I really like it here. I'm going to settle here. Yeah. It's not even like it was. How bad was England that they would put up with that shit? Well, no, no, no.

England. Most of the people that came early, like people that were living in fucking huts in Fairfield weren't the wealthy people that came over. They were the people who basically signed a contract to come over to work for a couple of years because they were fucking deadbeats in England. That was those people. It's not necessarily that England was so bad. The roots of white trash.

Right. It's not necessarily that England was so bad. It's that their lineage had created such a poor fucking situation for their whole everybody. That's what it is. It never got better. So what do they do for a couple hundred years? Inbreed. Does that help?

That'll help the genetic makeup of everybody. Good job, everyone. It usually exacerbates that gene. That's the problem. If you want, there's tons of books about that historical shit. And then you got like Nelson Algren, Faulkner talks about it. And he's got books about that shit about white trash kind of things and we talked about it in the last bonus episode jimmy is fascinated and so am i i'm blown away because jimmy it's almost like going with therapists

knowing what's going on in yourself like that makes sense what has caused this doc please now i know i feel like a king around those people that's i love when we'll talk about white trash then people will get mad at us. It's like, no. No. Don't get mad at me for talking about me. Thank you. Thank you. What are you talking about?

It's like I can say Guinea as much as I want. Right. Because I can. Because I've been called it. African Americans have their word. I get to say mine. Exactly. White trash.

Whatever. Deal with it. Join in and go, yeah, what do you want? It's embarrassing, but it's also fucking hysterical it is what it is that's it and we're willing to say we suck yeah i do my best not to be that it just happens that i do that because it's and it doesn't it's in the blood and either way i'm trash you're trash we're all trash what do you think you are you know who you are you're trash just like us so everybody we're all in it together who cares get over here and get your pickings of this trash can before it's all gone let's check on these reviews let's see what people feel about very specific reviews this is

one of the most specific ground up of reviews i've ever everyone's got their own little beef it's fucking amazing uh here's a two-star here, police take some time to respond. There are potholes everywhere, but they don't get fixed. So that's a general municipal complaint. That sounds like the Midwest. Yeah, or back east or shit like that. Sounds like Arkansas. So here's two stars. It's a mostly safe, quiet place to live.

However, the city government is corrupt and considers the city above the law the police are lazy and inept yeah so that's police take some time to respond there's potholes police are sounds like there's a general municipal malaise happening in the fairfield area based on these reviews paycheck for doing no work and those reviews were five years apart from each other so nothing has changed it seems like they're very similar and not by the same person. Here's a three star review. Very specific. I don't know why you would review a whole town based on one specific incident you had at one place.

This is kind of the theme for the next few. Can't even shop at the Dollar General. Oh, wait till you see that. Somebody is very upset with the Asian restaurants in this town, and they are going to take to a site about town stats to tell us about it. To be livid rather than Yelp. So three stars school system overlooks bullying. Too many students being bullied in the school system turns a blind eye to it. I know it, quote, happens everywhere everywhere but it seems to be a common occurrence

in fairfield okay so you're gonna go on niche and review the town right based on some shitty fourth graders it sounds like somebody's a pussy and can't go talk to somebody's parents yeah that's the other thing go find that dad bullied go talk to the goddamn parents they keep knocking that out or at least you're in fairfield ohio let's not act like that's not how it happens that's what's going down so it's true you know that kid's dad go yell at him okay here's another one very specific one star mind you whole town's a piece of shit for this just for this nobody in my apartment complex seems to know each other it's in a yeah you're a transient i've lived in probably 20 apartment

complexes you know why because they're transient otherwise i'd say i lived in two one for eight years and one for six years you live in them for a year and you go i gotta get out of this piece of shit this place sucks and into the next piece of shit so yeah just away from these people i don't like i'm not gonna form a relationship over the next 11 months to never see you again we're in an apartment what are we talking about yeah and like there should be some shame here hang your head and walk in your shithole and if you live in certain cities if you live in like new york it's different because people live in apartments for 15 fucking years and you know people if you live in but in everywhere else in the country apartments are just transient places that you buy before you that you do before you can buy

a house it's it's the place you go in between uh divorce and your next relationship that's like your sister's couch i think yeah you go to your sister's couch and then to your apartment yeah your sister's couch in her bad apartment so nobody so it's mostly just like people from age 18 to 25 in their first place or men beyond those years. Yeah, exactly. Rebuilding it. Right. Or maintaining it, I should say, not rebuilding it. They're not doing well.

Keeping the water steady. Yeah. They're treading water. Doggy paddling around. Apartments. Men doggy paddling. Come rent an apartment. Are you a male, age 35 to 45, doggy paddling for survival after the dissolution of your family?

Do we have the apartment for you? One bedroom, one bath. Shame holes. Come on in, everybody. The Wi-Fi's strong. Don't worry. You'll be whacking it for weeks and weeks on here and you're gonna need to because boy is your personal life in shambles shame closet

what'd you call it shame come out of shame talking to shame hole get in here so ah that's hilarious nobody in my apartment complex seems to know each other okay okay the complex never has community events and i rarely hear of any local community events. What do you want to do? Make friends. You need to get events to... You don't need to be around people yet anyway, man. Your relationship just ended.

You should be single a while. And then they hate dogs. Dog owners rarely clean up after their dogs and don't train them not to bark. So, whole town sucks because your apartment complex has some shitty people in it and here's two stars and this may be the most specific of all here quote uh most of the asian restaurants have very little selection okay okay and what they do have uh is not very good at all no well you're in fairfield ohio so uh they have something called chili here but it really isn't chili it's more of a thin soup or very runny sauce that has

some finely ground beef in it no beans onions or peppers in parentheses they put this over spaghetti which is odd and hot dogs yuck two stars that's cincinnati whole city sucks apparently because of this it's ohio that's how they eat chili now some people are going to say fairfield's not a small town because it's a whenever we do suburbs i get 10 tweets going that's not a small town well you know what it is i know if you live there and it feels like it's bigger or whatever but in our technical world it is we can't just do only things that happened in on farms in the middle of nowhere you know how fucking hard it would be to find not just that that's boring that's boring about paul rump yeah i don't want

to hear about that shit so right now there's 42 589 people which is right about where our top is anyway but when this was happening there was about 30 000 so it's in the thing so calm down everybody it's up 7.2 percent since 1990 uh More males than females, but it's very close. Age is 38, which is real close to the normal median age. A lot of the stats are really typical middle-of-the-road small town. Exactly the same married population, separated, divorce rate, widow rate. Everything is exactly the same as the national average. It's remarkable how middle of the road.

They should paint on the east and west borders of the town. They should paint two yellow lines. It's the middle of the fucking road. This place is everything. Right down to single with no children is exactly the same race of this town. It almost lines up with national averages, actually. 73% white. It's normally about 62 14.4 black it's normally about 12.3 uh 3.2 asian it's normally 5.3 apparently they don't have their fucking restaurant shit together right so that's a problem they're not authentic

7.5 hispanic which is a little less than half the national average, but there's a few. So it's more diverse than most of the small towns we kind of do, more representative. Here, the religion, 38% are religious, which is low. 50-50 is normal. And it's mixed up. It's everything. A couple of Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostals, Presbyterians. 0.1% Jewish.

Sorry, everybody. No Havana Gterians, 0.1% Jewish. Sorry, everybody. No Havana Gila there. 0.6% Islam. Politics. Going to skip political numbers for about the next month, everybody. I don't need people. People get mad at me because I give the political statistics of a town. They're like, they argue with me.

I'm like, I gave you a statistic. I didn't fucking vote that way. I just said how they voted. And they're like they argue with me i'm like i gave you a statistic right i didn't fucking vote that way or the fact i just said how they voted and they're like yeah on both sides they'll get mad and i'm like i don't know i just said a stat so every emotions are running high in the u.s right now so fascinating that that that's gonna take a bow for the next month is it is it is a commentary on how fucking disaster it is that that you say something like that and i laugh yeah that's because it's funny we're gonna skip this part because it's fucking shitty well it's also ridiculous that people get mad at me for how other people vote in a town i've never been i get mad at me for stating it i don't like i don't give no commentary or editorial of like

how dare they or just that's what happened i don't know so what are you gonna do economy unemployment rates right about normal. Well, you know, we'll see later on. But household income is a little bit high. Normally about 57 and a half thousand here. It's about 62,000. So it's a little bit high. Cost of living a little bit low.

100 is normal. You know, average here. It's 87. So a little bit low. And housing is the lowest thing they got. So not bad. Housing is a 73. And the median home cost here is $169,800. Yeah.

So that's pretty low. That's great. That's not bad. Most of the houses are between $100,000 and $200,000. That's not bad. What a time to be alive. What a time. What a time.

Wait until you catch up to today's prices and you're in Arizona and you can't fucking buy anything. Good luck, everybody. It's crazy. That said, if we've convinced you the only place for you is Fairfield, it's a city of opportunity. Fairfield, Ohio. We have for you the Fairfield, Ohio Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $970, which is under the national average. Listen, if there's dog shit in there and nobody talks to me for that kind of money, I'll bitch.

Well, if no one will talk to me, that's worth more to me. Four-bedroom, three-bath, 1,882-square-foot house. So, you know, family home here. Needs some stuff. It's kind of, it could use an update. The carpet's not great. It's not wonderful, but you could work with it. $149,900.

Okay. So if you have yourself three kids and, you know, that might be a good option. Three bedroom, three bath, T-Bowl for every B-hole. Yes, sir. I mean, that's a positive. 1,672 square feet. This one's updated and everything's new and the white kitchen and all that stuff. Love it. $199,900.

They're not bad. Then I found, let's say you've done very well for yourself. You're distributing the sulfur smell somehow. You own an apartment complex. Business is good. I found a five bedroom, five bath, another tea bowl for every b-hole. $4,997

square feet. Almost there there it's really nice brick yeah beautiful house nice rolling lawn up to it 483 000 bucks okay so not bad yeah in phoenix that would be two million so i'll take it things to do here jimmy yeah i found a few now one i found and i great just blast blasted right over because it's the county fair. Oh, boy. The Hamilton County Fair. Yeah. But then I went over their page or whatever, their Facebook page, and their first picture

they have to draw you in is this, Jimmy. Oh, boy. Let's have a look-see. It is the trashiest woman possible holding a Mountain Dew, which we'll make fun of Mountain Dew, but I also have a Mountain Dew because it has a lot of caffeine. But you also like the real sugar one. It's a different Mountain Dew. But also, she has her cell phone and a pack of Newport 100s jammed into between her tits,

sticking out of her shirt. And she's not like a big girl at all. She's like a skinny. She doesn't even have a large rack to really nestlele them they're just they're barely hanging on ain't got no pockets right yeah and my hands are full with this mountain dew two hand in the mountain dew i got a do and a baby another so i'm gonna have to get her two hand in the dew and uh it's i looked it over it looks like a pretty trashy fair as all county fairs are trashy. I'm from New York. The Dutchess County Fair is a trashy fucking mess. And so unsafe.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's a carnival mess. So I found a review of it, though, where someone said, quote, I don't know why people are haters. I love this fair. Vendors make you spend more money. Okay. What? I'm all about the games, exhibits, animals, and demo derby.

I've been going every year for over 10 years, and I'll keep on coming back. Okay. No one's telling you not to relax. Fairfield Summer Concerts on the Green. Yeah. Ooh. That grows. Every few days they have them.

We got July 16th had What Up Funk. What? Oh, boy. 24 Park Row the next week. Steve D'Agostino. Isn't that the son of... Isn't that Bud from Married With Children? No, no, that's Faustino.

Okay. That's Faustino. That was close. Close. Some Italian shit after that. The Clam Diggers singing patriotic Americana songs. Jesus Christ. Hold on.

Hang myself from the stage. People that call themselves like Pussy Wedger, Wedgie Pickers, Clam Pickers, that. periodic americana songs jesus christ hold on hang myself from the stage people that call themselves like pussy wedger wedgie pickers clam pickers that clam diggers uh grosser that's grosser yeah worse singing america song americana and i love that sandy vagina i'm a clam picker digger whatever the fuck it is clam diggers vile. I don't know. Vile. Vile. The Parkway Diner. They sing Billy Joel songs. What?

Oh, it's from the scenes from an Italian opera. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Parkway Diner. Right. So they named their band after a lyric. Parkway Diner. Danny Finer. Good God. More of a hit at the Parkway Diner.

That's the fucking line. Okay. Unbelievable. Oh, boy. Okay. That's interesting. The G girls yeah i wonder if that's the 80s uh women's tag team champions from the wwf i'm curious if that's leilani kai and judy martin i think that was who that was uh celtic kick with k's that's not no you can't... No. You are one K away from... From being dangerous. From being very dangerous. Don't like that.

Just play Dropkick Murphy songs. Yesteryear. We do Doo-Wop. Voodoo Carnival. Okay. We do... I don't fucking know. Something.

Hendrix. I was going to say it's probably some Hendrix or, you know, psychedelic rock shit or some shit. And then finally, closing out the season, My Black Shirt. So there's that. I hope it's just a black shirt on a clothes hanger and it's just waving and behind him is like some dj doing his thing like he just hides behind a black shirt they put a black shirt on a on a house speaker yeah and then play house music and it bounces the shirt moves It moves with the shirt. I like that. That's a good idea. That's a party.

Black shirt with a subwoofer in it. Jesus. That's what I'm talking about. I'll watch that. I mean, it's better than- For a minute or two. The clam pickers or whatever the fuck it is. So, crime rate in this town, what we're interested in.

Property crime is right about on average, just about normal. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime, really, is about half the national average. So, yeah, it's pretty safe. We get that a lot with these small towns. There's property crimes. There's kids and teenagers and shit that do a lot of that and crackheads. And then, you know, violent crime, though, isn't so much.

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And this is insane. Insane. And I know a lot of times, you know, I'll say, hey, make sure you listen to the end. You really, really want to go all the way through on this one because landmines,

it just keeps happening. And you'll think, oh, this is all wrapped up. Oh, no, it's not. I promise you. I assure you it's not. Oh, boy. And not even to do with this case but then

it's crazy just fucking listen all right here we go let's go back february 14th 1987 okay oh boy valentine's day yeah 1987 where jimmy where's the most romantic place you can think of fairfield ohio no no no no not fairfield okay another just another oh chicago so romantic what else you got uh france paris yeah i've heard that place is super stealing kisses over a baguette forget it eiffel tower in the background absolutely beautiful beautiful uh how about i got one for you jim how about cedar grove indiana now that's I got one for you, Jim. How about Cedar Grove, Indiana? Now that's...

You hard right now? Yeah. Smells like hamster cages. Cedar Grove? Cedar Grove, Indiana. What the fuck? Hamster capital of the Midwest. Smells like a terrarium in here.

By the way, sorry, for Halloween, I don't mean to interrupt you, but for Halloween, before I forget, our Halloween episode is going to be in Indiana, and it's going to have to do with carnival workers. Oh, by the way, sorry, for Halloween, I don't mean to interrupt you, but for Halloween, before I forget, our Halloween episode is going to be in Indiana, and it's going to have to do with carnival workers. Oh, great. And it's very Halloween-themed as well. Halloween-themed mixed with all the county fairs in America. It's wild. I can't even describe it.

Okay, into this. So, Cedar Grove, Indiana, the romance capital of the Midwest and the world, really. On February 14th, 1987, Valentine's Day, there's a wedding this day. It's cold, but it's Valentine's Day. People are crazy with dates for weddings. They really are. Oh, they go out of their way. Like sometimes you're worried about weather.

We'll have it when it's nice. But sometimes a date is important, whether it's your anniversary or your something. Valentine's Day is one of those days. Right. So there is a church here. It's the Little Cedar Baptist Church. Yeah. And outside the church, like the church is backed up to a little river.

You know, it goes down. The lawn goes down to the river and there's a little river in the background. So it's very nice. You hear the river, and there's a little river in the background. So it's very nice. You hear the river. So these people have planned for a long time this wedding that they're having right there on the bank of the river, right behind the church that they go to on Valentine's Day. Romantic, right? Beautiful. Big wedding party.

Bride all dressed in white. Yeah. Tuxedos. Everybody's happy. A little cold. Okay. It's February in Indianaiana let's not get wrong here i'm sure they have sleeves and stuff but romantic as fuck right i mean reeks of sulfur

but other than that yeah fantastic um okay uh what ends up happening though is an interesting thing um i don't even know how to say this while the ceremony is about to begin uh one of the wedding guests notices something they look down and they go oh there's a boot right there oh no there's a there's a boot yeah on the shore of the river gross and then someone goes oh yeah look at that oh my god it's not a boot it's an entire leg no it is a severed leg washing up on shore yeah literally right next to your wedding so we're gonna go ahead and null this one right that's the thing either you say fuck this marriage it's not or the bride is like i plan this for 14 nobody sees the leg okay 14 months i plan this fucking i don't care if a kindergarten class watches up on shore.

We're finishing the fucking wedding. I saw a whole 40 of them. All of them, I don't care. Your photographer's over there taking pictures. Scoop them up later. I'm paying you, sir, not the county coroner. Scoop them up later. Aim that shit over here.

You work for the crime scene, people, or me? Let's do this. Calm down, CSI. Get over here. Or is it like, does this mean our marriage is not meant that's where i would say as a groom i'd be like ah got it well i understand my son my son joey um we were trying to get him uh baptized you know whatever catholic shit because my grandmother's still alive and she seriously when he was born i don't you know me i'm not i'm

not into that shit obviously it's not my thing but for grandma mother kid and the devil go to hell and all this so you gotta go okay grandma fine you whatever so we had it all set to do we're gonna fucking dunk him in all that shit you know whatever they do so we got this guy my grandma's still alive she was still alive she wanted to you know that's what they complain the old italian women they're very superstitious about that shit so it's the only reason why otherwise i don't really care either way i mean that's fine if you want to do that i'm not shitting on it i'm just for me whatever so anyway we go to do and we have this guy he like he works at the church he's like a he's like a deacon in the past in the catholic church like a pastor type of thing where he's not

a priest but he does all the priest shit, basically. I don't know. They ran it. Not enough priests, probably. So he's like married and he has like, you know, five kids. He's an older guy.

He's in his 60s. He looks like, he's got like long silver hair and like a beard. And he's kind of Jesus-y looking and like, you know, in a greeting card kind of a way. So, you know,

this guy seems like a nice guy. He's a, you know, he's from New York. He's got this accent. Sounds like Larry David's going to baptize your kid. Got it. So I'm like, this guy seems like a nice guy he's a you know he's from new york he's got this axe sounds like larry david's gonna baptize your god so i'm like this guy's fine right so we line it all up and the day we're supposed to baptize joey um uh his wife dies like two hours before so he calls and he's you know in tears and his wife's dead his wife of 40 years just died yep so we're like we'll reschedule you know so we reschedule for two months later. So two months later comes around.

And by the way, Rod is Joey's godfather. Rod Beck, my friend. So the day of his second christening. Rod is Joey's godfather. That's what I meant. What did I say? The other way around? I think you said Joey is Rod's godfather.

That would be weird. That's horrible. That'd be very hard to pull off. So this one, Rod's Joey's godfather. So this day comes around and rod dies so we just said you know what god doesn't want this fucking kid doesn't want him god's had enough already wash his hands of him we're done fuck it i think two attempts we can't we can't afford to kill anyone else there's enough blood on our hands from trying to get this kid baptized fuck it i'm

over it how many people gotta die for you to go to heaven, Joey? How many people got to die, Joey? How much blood needs to be on your little tiny hands? Let me ask you a question. How much? As far as I'm concerned, you've killed two. You're not getting into heaven anyway. It's over with. An old lady and a nice ball player.

You're going down. I'm sorry. A lot of people like those people. A man in a cloth's wife. You murdered her. I mean, shit. What have you done? She had grandkids.

You understand me? You know how sad they was. Think about that. Very, very sad people. So the leg washes up. Obviously, the wedding is pretty much over at this point once a human severed leg washes up 10 feet from you. Not romantic anymore. You know, the pictures are going to be fucked up. memories so then they see about 30 feet away there's another leg oh no there are two

legs so now that it's really over at this point now if we were going to continue someone was just going to clear the leg aside now it's now we really got to get into it so everybody hates leg day everyone hates it especially when it's on your wedding day right you know no one wants a leg day. Everyone hates it, especially when it's on your wedding day. No one wants a leg day on wedding day. So a Connersville State Police post person, they examined this, these legs, and they determined that they were from a woman who was white. They figured that out pretty. That's the easiest part to figure out. I think she's white. Okay, we got that part uh between 20 and 30 years old they estimate about five foot five and say she

weighs about 170 pounds give or take 20 pounds um and they said that they could not determine the color of her hair which i mean i i would be a neat trick if you could. So that'd be pretty fucking, you know. Right. We couldn't tell what kind of hat she was wearing either. Like, clearly not. We got her legs. We're still trying to nail down the color of her eyes. Very strange.

So anyway, this is sad. There's legs. Yeah. So they take the coroner, takes it to uh takes the legs at indiana university medical center and he said the examination failed to determine how long the woman had been dead although they believe that she'd probably been severed the legs had been severed for about two weeks they think which they really can't tell though because of the water and the coolness they really don't know how much yeah you don't know where they've been because if

they've been floating too so you can't tell the exact temperature and shit like that they do say there are no there was no signs of scars or deformity deformities that would have made it easier to identify no tattoos no scars no nothing like that on the toes yeah no hey look at that she's nice she's got eight toes right anybody missing an eight-toed girl? Yeah. Anybody. You'll find her pretty quick. Yeah. He did say, though, and this will help, that the victim was wearing red and white striped socks and a size eight and a half suede kind of a cowboy type boot. I hate that. So she's wearing that.

That means they're there. Both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah. The socks and the shoes are on the legs.

Wow. That's what they said. There's a boot on the side there. They said, unless someone identifies the shoes or socks, it's going to be a difficult situation, which luckily boots are very distinctive. So that helps. And we'll talk about that. They said after that, they fanned out in a six mile stretch around it to look for, I don't know, more fingers, fucking heads, the rest, whatever the top half, I guess. fingers fucking heads the rest whatever they the top half i guess i mean so uh the sheriff said that uh police combed the area along us 52 between brookville and cedar grove got no new evidence

they said high winds prevented an air search so they couldn't do that also the legs were clad in tight blue jeans not the tops of the blue jeans but sawed off uh they were sawed off about eight inches above the knee the legs were by a power saw of some kind they determined here uh tan suede boots uh were found there like we said this is about 1 p.m an afternoon valentine's day wedding they said quote if it hadn't been for the wedding the legs would have been there before we found them yeah wait what a shit wait a second yeah a sheriff this guy has a job he said yeah if it hadn't been for the wedding the legs would have been there before we found them yeah in other words we wouldn't have found them yeah because they would have been there when we weren't right wow imagine getting that's a police officer imagine he pulls you over yep i don't know what

you'd like me to do sir is that the same guy that said uh we still don't know what color her hair is no yes i think it was it has to be right no no it wasn't actually that was another there's another dummy that works this guy i don't even know what to say about that you'd be like i'd love to follow otter's officer but i have no idea what you're talking about. Do you want me to do that? He's speaking weird riddles, sir. Yeah, that's what it is. He's like, he speaks in riddles. He's like an ancient.

That is bizarre. It's weird. So they're operating under the theory that the woman was murdered. No shit. Great. No, she committed suicide and sawed her fucking legs off and threw him down a river. No, that's not what happened at all fucking legs off and threw them down a river. That's not what happened at all.

She had a heart attack in her apartment and then she exploded with perfectly even power saw fucking wounds. Her heart exploded so hard inside her. It took her legs off. She ate a lot of Arby's. That's not her fault. What is this guy talking about? Wow. This is crazy.

They found them on a riverbank and they fanned out on the highway? On everything. Oh, okay. Because the church was on a highway. Right. So basically everything on both sides of the highway did like a six-mile radius around the legs. But what I would do is follow the water.

Well, they do that, too. It's in the six-mile radius. Yeah. I would assume that you'd want to get on the sides. Well, that didn't work, though. They did that. That didn't work. No traces of any other body parts.

Okay. No blood found near the church at all. Nothing found. No trails of blood. So they believe, obviously, the woman was killed elsewhere. Legs were removed somewhere else. They didn't do it in the church fucking parking lot. Surprising, because that's normally where you dismember people, is in the open in a

fucking church courtyard yeah that's where i do it anyway i don't know all the famous serial killers do it like that i don't know as the as the bride and groom kiss and they announce them as their as for the first time as a couple there is a lot of noise that's a good time to murder somebody it is it'll muffle it as they're saying i do they usually tell you to calm down can you shut off the power saw we're trying to do our nuptials please so probably fire up a black and decker at that time you never know so the uh officer said it looks like someone just pulled off the road and threw them on an embankment okay a very sharp instrument when it was used to cut they said i think a knife or saw might have been used because

it was a clean cut as opposed to twisting it off manually with your fucking arms these people are the most annoying motherfuckers obviously we're going under the assumption she was murdered yeah she did not that she just didn't want her legs no more right when decided enough of this saw them off mid-bone um everybody's called her cankles her whole life or something yeah she just can't take it anymore fucking ridiculous can't call me that now take that i doubt it we're gonna go with the murder thing here uh they say the legs were probably dumped at the site less than 48 hours before this because someone else was around there then okay so they said there was people around here that would have noticed the fucking legs oh you know two days ago so you know it must have been in the last two days so uh the sheriff

they ask what do you think and he assumes we believe it's probably satan worshippers that's his immediate this is the mid-80s where anything that happened they're like we assume it was a satan worshipper who had a lot of heavy metal records that would be the every statement from i mean that's just our assumption that's all we can go on we're gonna canvas out and search every tower records till we find the murderer that's the one every warehouse every every goddamn camelot records in every mall in this country we are going to search we're going to run down sam goody's mailing list t to b right so the uh they're saying that that uh it might be that they're saying you know we've had some satan shit around here before and maybe that's it he says that there's incidents over

the past two years including the discovery of mutilated animals found in fields dead animals hung upside down in trees and pentagrams painted on road signs remember the kids who drew pentagrams on shit in high school? As a joke. They did that because they were like, ha ha, old people hate this. That's all it was. Old people think this means something.

It means nothing. They wouldn't even do it right. They wouldn't do it the wrong fucking way. They don't know any better. He says, quote, those things would definitely show signs of a cult activity or teenagers and maybe a future serial killer. Or just some bored to be a board hillbillies too that's the other thing they like to take animals apart sometimes so they think

though uh they say that this is a tim patry of trenton ohio a parapsychologist who does research on witchcraft and demonology oh boy in the 80s so he's just full of shit he said the officer said Oh, boy. been able to put our finger on anything we can't find out where where they're having their meetings he says they we can't find out where they're having their there's guys where are there's hundreds of them we know it bloodthirsty it's like three teenagers who wear black sometimes sometimes using the word they is rather presumptuous too because uh it's probably singular yeah it's probably not even plural no it's one weirdo it's three high school kids that are chubby and have bad complexions that's it that's who it is we went to high school we know that kid right it's that kid yeah he's fine you know yeah that kid usually gets good grades and shit and he's fine so the sheriff says that

the discoveries appear to have something to do with the occult. He says, quote, I don't think the kids are just doing these things. They all seem to have a meaning to them. Yeah. All seem to have a meaning to them. Ooh. So let's talk about some people here. All right. With these meaningful occult mutilated animal two years ago.

You got all these buried meanings and shit. Let's talk about john lee fryman yeah let's talk about him sounds like a subliminal fella he's a midwestern 80s kind of guy want to see a picture i sure do check them out here and i'll post these on look at that guy yeah mullet kicking look at that look at the fat ass neck on this kid he's got he's a skinny little shit though really it's the way he's leaned up against the wall. The neck goes as far as the ears. Yeah, you'll see later on. But he's...

Very David Lee Roth. Well, he wishes he was David Lee Roth. Yeah, because you'll see that hair there is going to get pretty wispy pretty fast. When you see like, you know, hey, I'm long hair rock and roll guy with wispy front hair, you're like, ooh, it's over, buddy. Your persona is gone. roll guy with wispy front hair you're like oh it's over buddy your persona is gone yeah uh he john lee fryman was born on christmas day 1962 so he's a christmas baby beautiful he grew up outside around the cincinnati area basically he attended mount healthy high school oh so that's

healthy right there mount healthy high school which he left in 1980 obviously after his 18th birth he wasn't he didn't graduate though no let's not go crazy here he left after his age out they just just left once he was done i'm done now they say when you're 18 you don't have to go anymore so i think 16 as a matter of fact i'm not gonna go anymore he was just like i'm done why go that long and be done so anyway he left in 1980 and then from 1980 until may of 1983 he lived at home with his parents yeah from 18 to 21 grew his mullet out nicely took it took that big brush that he had in his back pocket horse hair one fucking you know really brushed it up to give it a good frizz really did some of that for a few years. He lives at home.

I assume annoying his parents with his bad musical choices. Likely. Yeah, I would say. This is in Springfield Township with his parents, David and Susan Fryman. Okay. All right. So where did he go in May of 83? I'd like to know.

All right. Well, how about jail? Oh, no. Okay. That's how he got out of his mom's house? That's it. I got sprung. I'm moving out. Good news.

I'm moving out of my house. Bad news. It's jail. I'm moving into a different house? That's it. I got sprung. Good news. I'm moving out of my house. Bad news. It's jail. I'm moving into a different house. It's jail. I'm moving into a bigger house. I'm moving into the big house. So on May 26th, 1983, he was arrested for purse snatching.

And apparently this was not his first. They then connected him to a couple more robberies. He ends up with three counts of robbery, which is not great. Yeah. Basically. One of the most chicken shit crimes, purse snatching honestly yeah who are you pussy that's the type of thing where like it's like a it's like a cliche like in an old italian neighborhood you'd be like yeah nobody in this neighborhood walks around knocking on ladies over taking their purses right break their fucking legs that's like the the most chicken shit street crime that you can

think of you know going around stealing popsicles out of little girls hands that's like the the most chicken shit street crime that you can think of you know going around stealing popsicles out of little girls hands that's the same thing you'd stop a fucking diesel and boost its fucking load you pussy purse snatching i hate that the most i do too when they'll see like a surveillance video of some like 25 year old person like punching a lady and take their purse and you're like i want to kill that man yeah how do i reach in and kill him can i do that can you guys just not arrest him just give us all his address and we'll fix it yeah just show and you're like, I want to kill that man. How do I reach in and kill him? Can I do that? Can you guys just not arrest him? Just give us all his address and we'll fix it?

Yeah, just show his face up there and go, we're going to leave him be. He works at the McDonald's at the corner of 4th and Fairfield. His next shift's 11 to 7 Tuesday. Pop in. That's not bad. He works the lunch. Come on in.

Get yourself. Oh, by the way, double cheeseburgers are 99 cents frustrated for the first two hours telling drunks oh we stopped serving breakfast and then pop in and beat the living shit out of that guy to dunk his head in the fryer all right then so when police bring him in that is a wow james yeah you're vicious i don't fuck over no ladies a french fries swirly that's crazy i will swirly your head in the hot boiling fry grease. Are you kidding me? I think it's warranted.

I just think it's fucking incredible that that's your first thought. I grew up with old ladies. You hit an old lady, you deserve what you get. You just went like the most painful part of that restaurant. I'm Italian. We go to extreme violence. If you push me to the point of violence it's going to be extreme that's all i'm saying i'm going to have a good idea most

people like i'll stab that person what is that that's no i'm creative i'm a creative person yeah i will come up with something fun like a french fries really felt like you just stood yourself in a mcdonald's kitchen and looked around we're like yep that's it that's the worst one yeah i said spatula that's not gonna work what is this face on the grill that's a griddle there's knives that's fine he'll put his hands down and block it he'll burn his hands who cares fryer bang nowhere to put your hands just right in there that's it little out how's that feel face skin is sloughing off take it out hold an old lady's purse in front of him. You want this? Right back in. I don't care what the fuck you do.

That's as bad as rape and child molestation. It's a real bitch crime. Don't fuck with old people. Leave old people alone. I hate that shit. Really? Just women. Because that's what that is.

That's a crime on women. Shove old men down either. Well, yeah. Old men don't generally carry purses. Unless we're holding hers for her because she's that's true that can happen i don't want i don't want to assume it's an old lady that he's a purse snatch but i just feel like it is but taking a purse is like you're obviously going after somebody that's weaker than you exactly and that's a bitch move and he's not a real big guy either we'll talk about so and he did it more

than once oh yeah three times apparently so they bring him in and police are right away fascinated fascinated with his tattoos okay because this is 1983 in 83 if you know you might have a tattoo right maybe or a lot of tattoos you're nicky six a lot of tattoos is like yeah what's going on with you or what are you into this is weird were you in the in the fucking navy or are you in a band or are you some sort of weird satan worshiper one of the three is all you could be they said two circles he had uh cincinnati ohio written on his arm that's a lot of letters a lot uh a swastika of course gotta have the gotta have the swastika um johnny lee his name okay um in case he forgets uh a maltese cross okay okay that's a german cross yep harley wings were all over his arms legs and chest multiple harley things all over the fucking place uh yeah the the uh chief here david voss said quote i took pictures of them they were so weird

just fascinated by him would you take a look at it mind if i get my polaroid out my kids are gonna love this yeah uh yeah iron horseman was also tattooed on his chest uh but a spokesman for the iron horseman motorcycle club said that this guy was not a member at all they don't know who the fuck he is is it nearby like their chapter i think it's i think they're just trying to fit in i guess but they were just like we don't know that motherfucker that's weird uh yeah he's only 24 right and he was ends up being convicted and being sent to lebanon correctional facility for the robbery in july of 1983 he gets sentenced to wow you sir yeah they certainly fuck off 5 to 15 years yeah for these that's good good judge had generally the same feeling about personal things that I do.

It's not legal for me to dunk you in a fryer, but I'm going to do my best. I sentence you to one dunking in a. Wait, hold on. What is that? Ah, fucking Constitution. All right. All right. All right.

I said something about cruel and unusual. Five to 15. Okay, so I can fuck out of here. Fine. I was all disappointed. Go on. Shit. Hope it's as painful as get the fuck out of here. Fine. I was all disappointed. Go on. Shit. Hope it's as painful as facial scars, you fucking jerk.

Fuck. So his mother, Suzanne Freiman, told everybody how her son had changed from a good student and an award winner. I don't know what he won awards in. Probably attendance. And then she said when he was about 12 everything changed which is when i started getting shitty grades too about 12 yeah yeah i started like having other interests and not really caring my mom had the most questions about me in fifth grade i mean granted that's

about the time that something horrible happened to me yeah but that was when i started i went from a's to d's like right now when did you start wearing glasses then, too? No, sixth grade when I got my first pair. So you probably couldn't see in fifth grade, either. That's probably true. But I didn't even wear them in sixth grade. I wore them finally in, like, eighth grade. That's when I finally started wearing them. Broke down and wore them.

Yeah, because people were getting punched in them. Well, yeah. That's not good. That'll make you not want to wear them. Yeah. I'm just going to get them broken. Yeah. This is going to take my fucking eyes out.

Suzanne said, it was a drastic change. We were concerned his personality would come and go. So he turned in a kind of a weirdo. Basically, he ends up getting his high school diploma, his GED, I should say, from Wilmington College while in the while in the lockup here. He continued the program and was a senior when he ended up getting out, basically, who is the director. The director of the college relations there said that said he was majoring in both psychology and sociology and that he was enrolled for a one three credit internship. All he that's what he needed to graduate. I don't know what that means.

He said, from what I've been able to find out, he was a person that does not stand out in any way, a very quiet person. He was denied parole in April of 1984. Then he's denied parole again in February of 1985. They don't say why, but then on May 20th, 1986, he's finally granted parole. So three years he does

on a 5-15. He's granted parole from Lebanon, years he does on a five to fifteen he's uh granted parole from lebanon and he's out uh he had a friend in there he met a friend while in jail that's not good okay no well i mean not they weren't in jail with him he met a friend on the outside oh love after lockup style got it here um it became involved with a girl named monica denise lemon or leman i'm not sure it's l-e-m-e-n okay so leman leman leman i don't want to mispronounce it but don't look at monica don't look at me for this shit no so monica became his pen pal apparently the her mother says that they met while they were both visiting someone at jail okay she says she says that She says that she took Monica to go visit their uncle maybe or something in jail.

And he was there visiting one of his relatives in jail. And that's how they met. And then a pen pal relationship came out of that. Somebody was visiting him while he was in jail? No, before he was in jail. Oh, okay. They had met before. That's what the mother said.

They had met on a visiting day when they were both visitors got it at the jail but then other people say they met while they they met while he was in jail through pen pal shit okay i'm not sure which one it is it really doesn't matter it's probably around the same time anyway that's why it's in the ballpark so uh she became monica became acquainted with him their pen pals there. And while there, only one person outside of his family signed his roster to visit him, and that was Monica. So she visited him five times in 1983 and 1984. Ten times total? No, five times total over two years. Got it.

But spread out over two years. So consistently enough, but whatever. So that's a friend if they'll visit you in prison five times. For sure. That's something. She, Monica, worked as a waitress at the time in like 86, 87, after he gets out at a Buskin Bakery, which is at 8th and Walnut Streets in downtown Cincinnati.

Hey, she won. See, that's the only place in town that doesn't smell like zoo and sulfur because it's a bakery. She chose wisely. See, this Monica's smart. She's just a smart one of the stories so far. She grew up on the west side of Cincinnati, attended a Chevy elementary school. And now Chevy is where he was arrested for purse snatching.

That's the town sheriff that said it was they were so weird i took pictures of him that was the cheviot sheriff so i don't know if that's a if he met her then or who knows but uh she went to uh gamble middle school western hills high school the principal said of her raymond fink said she attended school from 82 until april of 83 when she dropped out, but she ended up getting her high school diploma from the night program. In 1987, she's 21 years old, so she's three years younger than him. So when she was visiting him, she was like 18.

She just turned 18 when she was visiting him. She was still in high school when he met her. Probably, yeah. turned 18 when she was visiting she was still in high school when he met her probably yeah they were just she she stopped in april of 83 which is he got busted in may of 83 so she had just gotten out of high school yeah when that all happened uh she was also in addition to being a waitress she's enrolled in cincinnati technical college as well where she's going taking classes there so she's trying to make something of herself monica she's you know trying to do something here so uh the thing is uh they have had a weird relationship monica and john yeah that started with apparently a friend of monica says that monica once told them that john threatened

to kill her this is is in November of 86. Basically, John's performing a satanic rite in his trailer. Okay? He's got a trailer. He's got a back room that's set up as his, quote, sorcery room. Yeah. That's what he calls it. Yeah. It's a sorcery room.

Yeah. It's painted all black. Yeah. And they always make a big deal out of that, which I have a room that's painted all black, and there's no sorcery. It's fine. My son's 12.

That's the only room he wants me to paint in his bedroom. Yeah, it's fine. Our media room is all black. It's good. Not much of a sorcerer, that 12-year-old. Well, he might be. I don't know. You don't know what he's doing in there, Jimmy.

The only thing he makes disappear is food out of my pantry. Yeah, well, he might be able to jerk off really well and he goes, ta-da. He thinks it's sorcery. He doesn't know yet. All it takes is food to make all of this all of it so apparently this purse this friend said that monica had witnessed john during a satanic ritual that he was performing in his trailer uh witnessed him

kill an owl what okay now get the fuck out of here the fuck yeah you get an owl yeah in your possession how do you bait that how do you get this is okay yeah i my neighborhood is basically an owl sanctuary like i don't know it's the most owls i've ever heard of in one place at one time there's owls everywhere james neighborhood not just, not just owls. This is a city, man. In the middle of the city, yeah. You're right in it. But there's trees in my neighborhood, and shit, they're full of owls. And these are not-

Full. They're huge. Right. That's the main part. These are not like you look at a little picture on the internet. It's a cute little owl. It's a wingspan like Jimmy. Right.

They have like a six-foot wingspan. It's wild. They're enormous. Huge, these owls around here. You hear them? Yeah. We were shooing them out of trees with flashlights so we could see them and how big they were running around the neighborhood.

James is talking to me. He goes, do you hear that hooling? That's an owl. And I go, oh my God, that's an owl. And then he goes, it's right there in that tree. So I've got a bike light, James. Look at this. And I got my bike light out.

We're flashing it at it. So you know we're running down the middle of the street chasing owls you hear the wings open not fly yeah you hear you hear and then it's just just soaring across the sky like oh my god and in the moonlight horrifying and i don't know if you know about owls but they don't just advise you the best way to eat a tootsie pop. They are fucking vicious. They don't read books. No. They're not wise.

They're like sky otters. They're vicious as shit. They would rape you if they could, but instead they'll just claw into you with these razor sharp talons. They're vicious. Yeah. How the fuck do you get that under control and get it in your house to do anything with? Imagine if that thing got loose in your house.

I don't want anything to do with it. Imagine being in a trailer room with an owl. Right. You'd have to bust through the tin wall. You'd have no choice. They swoop down in these neighborhoods and take medium sized dogs. That's serious. They're terrifying animals.

So somehow he killed an owl. Oh, boy. During this and then drained the blood onto a sacrificial altar, which we'll talk about what that is in a little while because it's disturbing okay now monica didn't like this i'm sure you know monica's a pretty like she's got a couple of things we'll talk about but she's pretty much in the realm of normal and seems like a she's got her head on her shoulders and whatever and she says please don't you know murder an owl in front of me and drain its blood i I'm not really into seeing that.

So she told her friend that John told her that he could, quote, kill her, dismember her and and paint the walls with her blood if she ever made him mad. So don't make me mad. Now watch me dominate nature. Now watch me destroy an owl. So Monica told that friend in this conversation just for just to let you know anything ever happens to me it's probably john freiman who did it because no one else has ever threatened to dismember me and paint the walls with my blood yeah that's a pretty specific threat it really is um so now uh his parents if you talk to freiman's

parents they'll tell you oh yeah he's a devil worshipper, obviously. I mean, he loves the devil. He's totally into the devil. He's not shy about liking being into Satanism or any shit like that. Well, what did you do wrong? He goes by the name Tadva. T-O-D-V-A. Only when he's doing

satanic shit, you know what I mean? He's got a little satanic thing going on. He's like, oh, Tadva's coming out. It's like his drag alter ego kind of todd you know yeah that's all it is call me todd for sure call me todd um so that's when he's doing satanic shit um now members have said that people have said that uh like family members have said that basically her and Monica, him and Monica kind of shared an interest in the occult, but his is way more weird. He's into, I want to kill an owl and drain its blood, where she's like, I like black and that candle's pretty cool. I don't know what I'm saying. Shout of the Devil's a great song.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. I mean, I like Judas Priest as much as the next guy. Ozzy's all right, but it's the 80 80s i'm trying to think of what's around so yeah like i feel like she's just kind of into like kind of dark stuff and maybe is like a slayer fan yeah and like likes candles and shit like that but she's not looking to sacrifice things and like do satanic rituals she's just looking to like i want to open an owl yeah she's just kind of 80s goth that's all that's all it is so um anyway her boyfriend says of her uh and this is now we're talking about february of 1987 remember the these mystery legs are found on the 14th of february

her boyfriend uh monica's boyfriend dennis witt of c, he says that February 9th, she gets a phone call from John Fryman and arranged for John to pick her up, which is weird as the boyfriend. Like, yeah, go hang out with the weird owl murdering dude that you met in jail, like that you met when he was in jail. She wasn't never in jail. He said that Monica had become afraid of her in December when they argued in the trailer. And she said he said that I'll paint become afraid of her in december when they argued in the trailer and she said he said that i'll you know paint the walls with your blood right so two months later he's like yeah i let her go hang out with him or you know i was okay with that and she was okay with that so i don't understand it she had a different he had a different interpretation to the boyfriend said quote she said he threatened to kill her and write her name in blood on the wall.

Either way, both of those are bad. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar.

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when you get home. Not what? So, you know, good luck. I'm never leaving you alone with this man. No. Next is Beverly Cox we have to meet. Beverly Cox in 1987, early 87 is 20 years old. So she's right about Monica's age. Here's beverly it's kind of hard to get a good look at her but there she is there there's old beverly that looks like a

fucking i can't see she looks older than she is yeah it's it's in this picture because that's that's a picture from later anyway like a postcard kind of yeah a little bit yeah so she she is kind of uh as we'll talk about she's kind of grows up one of these people that kind of latches on to groups, group to group to group kind of a person. Looking for something to belong to, which, Jesus, we all did that. Or good for her, too, because she's like, you latch on to a group. I don't like this group. You're like, ah, this chick sucks and everybody likes her. I don't want to be around this shit.

And a lot of times when you're a teenager, too, you just like you'll your interests will wane and ebb and flow into different things. And you'll dress totally different in one school year from the next. And it's just kind of how people are as a kid. You're looking for something. And then you figure it out and then you don't change ever. Yeah. Then you have the same everything for the next 40 years. That is a great point.

That's what it is. Sophomore to senior year. I have three, four different wardrobes. Yeah. I have the same wardrobe today that I had when I was 29. You figured it out. You're like, this is me. This will do it.

I got it. Hey, look at this. I'll run with this. Huh? Jeans, t-shirt, done. Standing in the mirror, huh? Right? You look the ball, sir.

It's either that or it's like, there's nothing I can put on this to make it look better. Who gives a shit? Yeah. You know what I mean? Fuck it. I'm putting this on. I wear the same shit I did in high school except less baggy. That's it.

Everything just sunk in a little. A few sizes tighter and that's about it. Otherwise, it's still like a Nas t-shirt or something. I'm still wearing the same shit. So now, Beverly Cox, Freiman, John Freiman meets Beverly Cox. Now, Beverly Cox, Freiman, John Freiman meets Beverly Cox. Where else do young, young Satanists out in the world meet at the Cottingham retirement community? Obviously, Jimmy, where else would they meet?

Okay. Okay. This one's full of surprises. Yeah. It's a nice wedding and there's some legs. There's this and there's that. So this is in Sharonville. Cox began work there as a nurse's aide on october 9th 1986 and she performed uh her her boss said she performed her duties in accordance with regulations

and was very cordial to the residents there we had no problems with her yeah until they both walked off the job together they quit mid-shift together on november 16th 1986 what does he do there okay he's a janitor or some shit so they both quit yeah all right they quit their jobs and they move in together they literally leave their jobs and move in together okay uh where do they move the debbie trailer park yeah oh boyikes. This is in... I have a picture of the trailer. It used to be called Debbie's Trailer Park

because it was just Debbie. The S fell off. Oh, yeah. Somebody stole the S. I think it's them little kids. Old Debbie died, so we don't care. We don't give a shit.

She ain't around. Debbie, she started it, but nine people owned it since then. We're just too lazy to change the sign. Signs are expensive. You ever try to get a sign made? You ever try to buy a two-foot by three s i was gonna say those shits are expensive the s is out of my price range i can't buy a whole new name it's one of the most

popular letters in the alphabet they know there's demand for it you ever watch wheel of fortune rst lne sir my name is aloe vicious now i'm not made of money i'm just not made of money. This is a 124 Sammy Drive in Fairfield. This is the trailer, Jimmy. Well. Well, well, well. This is not great. A little window unit. Got the lattice.

Oh, the little fucking. Is that the tongue of the trailer right there? I believe it is right there. That is the tongue. They didn't even lop that off. Jesus. There's a wagon wheel. Just in case they got to go.

Oh, yeah. But there's that corrugated steel instead off. Jesus. There's a wagon wheel. Just in case they got to go. Oh, yeah. But there's that corrugated steel instead of lattice there. It's a single wide, too. It's not great living. No. It's not great living. Not ideal. Yeah.

Not ideal. That's depressing. I would say. Now, Deborah's also into black magic. Okay. Of course. Before they met, she was into this type of shit. She wrote a report on witchcraft in high school, which lots of high school girls do that kind of shit she wrote a report on witchcraft in high school which lots of high school girls do that

kind of shit but her former husband was a satanist and her mother was a witch as well and we'll find out more because her dad it's it goes back okay so mom's a witch and that's how this works yeah now this whole thing is just getting you think it's's weird? It's about to go... That girl's a nightmare. Oh, it's... I already know. Holy shit, is she a lot to deal with. Wait, Alyssa's over. Oh, boy.

February 9th, 1987, like we said, is when Monica is picked up by John Fryman, and they take off here. She leaves. She left work on February 9th and told her job that she was going to another job interview at a motel in Cincinnati. Yeah, basically here. She lived in Cincinnati in an apartment with her boyfriend. She goes home and ends up having John pick her up from her place. And that was it.

Basically, they end up going. Why are they leaving? Apparently, and this is from multiple sources, including the boyfriend. This isn't just John Fryman saying this. Apparently, they are leaving because John is going to help Monica cash some stolen checks that she has. So, yeah, everybody's. But I mean, that's not violent. I don't really care.

It's fine. So February 10th, 1987. We'll get to this is the next day. Okay. She is still at the trailer the next day. We don't know if she wants to be there or not. That's the thing. We're not sure if she wants to be there or not.

That part is all very cloudy. But at some point, John takes her into the sorcery room during an argument and is forcing her to read a satanic incantation that he has painted on the door okay this is what he's doing he brings her in there and says you read that right fucking now yeah don't know the meaning or don't know why or any shit like that so she complies because she's afraid of him She goes back and she starts reading this incantation off the wall, blah, blah, blah. While this is happening, he shoots her in the head with a.25 caliber pistol. Oh, my God. Pulls it out, shoots her in the back of the head.

What the shit? She never saw it coming, never knew it was coming, was in the middle of talking. He wasn't pointing it at her beforehand. He just took it out and popped her while she was doing this. Are these like English words or like garbledy gook shit. Do we know? It's it's it's I have it later on. It's like, you know, our father who are now in hell and all that whole horse shit.

So just whatever. So shoots her in the head with a 25. Fuck. Okay. This is the morning of the 10th. She dies. Obviously, she dies there. We don't know the other thing, obviously. She dies there. We don't know. The other thing, too, we don't know if he killed her immediately, if she suffered, how she was.

We have no idea about this because he's not talking about it. Now, Deborah's there as well. She's involved in all this shit. They hang out for the whole day with Monica's body, trying to figure out what to do with it. Well, fuck, how do we get it out of here this is going to be rough i don't know well you carry that i can't carry this how do we do this well this keeps getting in the way these goddamn legs are the problem oh no legs that would be so much easier if we could just have one section and then the legs and then we could all fit it all in

the trunk also that way it'll package much easier um so he goes and borrows a circular saw from someone yeah and comes back and saws both of monica's legs off eight inches above the knee and uh that's that uh take her outside they put her in the trunk they take the legs they take them to a separate location and uh she's gone so she's a missing person monica obviously um she doesn't return home at all um they can't find her it's not until uh the 11th where they file a missing person report her boyfriend i think her father ends up because the boyfriend tells her parents she hasn't been home they call the job she hasn't been home. They call the job. She hasn't been there.

So it's, you know, she's not like that. She's dependable. So they immediately call the police and they start looking for her. And immediately the first people they want to talk to is John Fryman. Yeah, because he was the last person that obviously picked her up and he had threatened her life before. So clearly, but they can't find John Fryman. He's not around at all until February 11th when they do find him. Not at home, though.

They find him in a nontraditional way, let's put it. They find him and Debra both. They pick him up on the I-40, I believe, or near the I-40. And they pick him up because he or somebody had just robbed a Clark Oil Company station, a gas station in Fairfield. And in one of the employees, a woman named Tammy Sue Rose was shot in the robbery. Oh, Jesus. He shot her and she is in a coma after this. Like in the head shot.

Shot her and yeah, put her in a coma. My word. Poor gas station employee in a robbery after this. Like in the head shot. Shot her and yeah, put her in a coma. My word. Poor gas station employee in a robbery for a gas station. What's he getting, $60? I mean, this is fucking ridiculous for someone. It's got to be one of those dangerous jobs. It's ridiculous, man. So she had been shot in the head.

She ends up, she'll be in a coma for six weeks. Wow. Imagine that, how horrible it is. Works at the fucking. Oh God, I hope she makes it oh my god so well we'll find out we'll keep up with her here so um yeah she the the police end up picking picking them up on the road uh they believe that uh you know they want to talk to them about something there's a missing person report that they're wanted for right and they just shot a

person and he had robbed another gas station as well. So didn't shoot anybody there. So, yeah, it's getting fucking crazy here. Now, they said at this point that the Connersville police station, state police post where they took the legs, they said they're not 100% sure about the legs yet. The family has identified them as hers but we're not positive yet it could be somebody else's missing legs with the same boots that they have right i'm so angry jeans off them yet they could be uh elk legs we don't we're not sure um there has been a moose

seen in this area and it's possible that's all i'm saying i want to make sure what the fuck um so they said apparently about monica apparently she didn't arrive at work on the 9th and she didn't come home. The family called friends during the night and no one knew her whereabouts. And then the father told the press that then they called the missing person report. And then the legs happened. And the father told the press that he was with her when she bought the boots. Those are her boots. He's positive of it.

And he gave her those socks. So those are her socks i have personal connection with this those two articles and the the boots have identifying things on the soles of them that the store identified as theirs as well so it's it's it's that definitely her fucking boots unless they took her boots and put them on another pair of legs it's her legs in that case we've got two bodies uh i'm scared right frankly there's two torsos out there somewhere right so fairfield police said that they will begin a search for monica's torso which they believe might be intact what the hell so they said we'll give it a shot

they uh whatever so witnesses here they're trying to build a case a friend of deborah cox said right the day after monica went missing this is her name is eloise poppy russell she says that cox gave her a jacket that she told her belonged to monica so she's giving away the dead person's clothes the next day and this woman happily told police about it so you know that wasn't probably the wisest decision on deborah's part there uh so jesus christ they ended up finding relative her relatives at home found the telephone number of uh fryman there in her in her apartment as well so that's kind of they put all this shit together and then they talked to the boyfriend and the boyfriend said yes they left with them they said the couple said that the man told them they had been in contact with John Fryman and he had indicated they should be very afraid of him.

This was a couple that this is fucking crazy. He basically went on a social outing with someone like a double date. And he ended up threatening one of the people's lives at this date, which is not great. No, you know, you're going to love them. I don't want to hang out with these people. No, trust me. He's really nice, and you're going to like him. And by the end of it, you have a steak knife up to his throat.

Or worse, like, you go out with your girlfriend's friend and her boyfriend, and then your girlfriend's like, let's go out with him again. And you're like, the man said that he would eat my heart. He threatened my life. Let's be honest here. I want you to have a good time. I want you you to have friends i don't want you to have those friends that's the thing those people are fucking nuts and freiman brought up in the conversation that he only talked about was the occult oh jesus magic and it's like it's our first hangout time here

now monica's mom is really upset about this obviously obviously, because she knows him. So she's like, I knew this fucking guy. I didn't tell my daughter to stay away from him. Or maybe she did, but not soon enough in her mind. Obviously, every parent's going to have guilt. Not her fault at all. Obviously, this poor woman lost her daughter. It's definitely not her fault.

But everybody feels a little bit of guilt. And she said that she tells the press she didn't know that fryman was involved in satanism but now she's really disturbed about it because she unknowingly unknowingly gave him a black cat a black cat cat which we know what happened to that black cat it's not alive yeah he she says i didn't realize the significance i was going to get rid of it because of a dog in our house so i was just giving a cat away i didn't realize he was gonna fucking murder it oh my um she the mother is a monica's mom's a public affairs specialist with the u.s army recruiting battalion in cincinnati she says she has nightmares about the death obviously and has visited the dump where her daughter's body is believed to be and we'll talk about that

they took her to put the legs by the river and went and put her torso and arms and everything in a dumpster oh no the dumpster is emptied before they go to search it and it's dumped in the landfill so they're gonna have to try to search a landfill to find her and so that's where they think she is and the mother just goes and stares at the landfill going oh she's in here somewhere this is horrible for this poor woman she said quote i feel like monica went on a trip and didn't come back, but I know it's permanent. That's fucking sad as shit. You know, thankfully, since the invention of like landfills and like trying to keep environmental disaster, we've discovered this way of making a grid and keeping track of not just a big pile of garbage. But it used to be that it

used to just pile of garbage throw it all out there that's horrifying she described monica as an achiever who wanted to get ahead by going to school for business administration and wow she is an army recruiter and quote wanted to be all she could be so that's she's an army recruiter she said that her daughter was not involved in satism and was afraid of John Fryman. But I don't know if she tells her mom everything because an electrician who they talked to who was rewiring her apartment, Monica's apartment in December, said he found all sorts of weird like Satan shit in there. Just, you know, but she's in the dark shit. She's not like in the sacrificing thing. She's just a little goth.

Like, fucking who cares? Found a leather jacket and he's freaked out. He found a two-foot statue of a greenish-black demon with wings and horns. Okay, got one. That's not normal, but people have weirder shit. You ever seen Penn Jillette's house? Oh, my God. That would be the most normal item in it.

I mean, it happens. Jonathan Davis of Korn owns all kinds of weird shit. Paintings from Gacy and shit like that. He wants it connected to it. That's weird. That's too much. I don't want that shit. Me neither.

He also said he saw books about devil worshiping and witchcraft and shit like that. But that's shit that 20-year-olds have, teenagers have. She wasn't into animal sacrifice. So anyway, they go to search the trailer they want to search the trailer obviously they get a through all of these statements they end up getting a search warrant to search the trailer before they even find john and deborah so they do this and uh well then they get in there and they find that uh they think that probably there's some devil worship going on. But this is the thing. She wasn't killed for as a satanic sacrifice.

There's clearly some other reason that this guy did this. You know what I mean? They said that an inventory list of what they found in the home showed police confiscated a skull ring, a picture of a serpent in a castle that's like a led zeppelin poster right who care like you know the mike mcgill fucking board from the late 80s it's a black light poster it looks great yeah that's what i mean um uh let's see a magic book oh a zodiac sign a bust of king tut will someone go to go to Steve Martin's house and fucking arrest him? Because clearly bells, not bells. Oh, God, there's bells.

Jesus, Jimmy. No, be careful. There's bells in there. Apparently those wake the dead. Oh, God. Candles. Yeah, I am. Hold on.

I got to call the FBI on Sarah because we have a lot of candles upstairs. And clearly how many of them have sense? James, that means a butcher knife, which most people have in their house. Parts of a shotgun. Are they together? All over the place. Just a handle and a trigger. And then like, that's maybe the weirdest part.

So the sights, parts of a shotgun, a pick and a pickaxe, I guess guess a handsaw and a hacksaw okay they also seized a ceramic goat's head that's a little weird but not really out of the realm of normal it's not real exactly nine figurines they could have been wrestling figures it's 87 maybe uh maybe he was recreating wrestlemania 7 and putting the hulkster and andre in the fucking ring together yeah actually it's february so that happened the next month so he's got him in bundy was recreating WrestleMania seven and putting the Hulkster and Andre in the fucking ring together. Yeah, it's February. So that happened the next month. So he's got him in Bundy's recreating WrestleMania two. Who knows?

Figurines and the jawbone of an animal, which I've seen weirder shit in people's houses. Very normal. That's like the inventory. They were looking for a circular saw, but never found it. Later on, we found that got dumped with Monica into the dumpster. Yeah. circular saw but never found it later on we found that got dumped with monica into the dumpster um yeah the uh now jesus christ uh once they finally arrest john because they're going to like i said after the shooting his lawyer says quote we're going to deal with the satanic issue the same way we'll deal with any other aspect of the case obviously it's going to come up right clearly yeah i would say so uh they they they said that uh

also they found a this is the weird part okay they found a headstone like not just a slab of marble like one they stole from someone's grave in the cemetery oh god a real one that john and deborah stole together that's not nice to lay out to use as an altar to do shit on. That's what they're doing sacrifices on, is on a real headstone. So, yeah, fucking very weird here. There was blood all over the room as well, everywhere, especially on the altar. They're going to test that to see if that's animal blood or, you know, Monica's blood. They said, quote, in one of the bedrooms, the walls, the ceilings, the floor, everything's painted black. Oh, no, not that.

I thought you were going to talk about jizz or something. No, no, covered in jizz. It's everywhere. Sticky like stalactites hanging, just a dangling. The ceiling. Freezing like an ice sickle. Just disgusting. Just sickles.

Just sickles dangling. Oh, man. His ceiling looks like the top of a cinnamon roll. I'll tell you what. It's just glazed. It's disgust shiny. Nasty. So he said he's got.

Sorry. I already know it in prison. They're going to call him Cinnabon. Oh, Cinnabon. Hey, there, little Cinny. Cincinnati Cinnabon. That's what they call him. Cincy Cinnabon.

Cincy Buns. Cincy Buns. cincinnati cinnabon that's what they call him cincinnabon uh so cincinnabon cincinnabons he said they got he's got a table made like a podium and on top of the podium is a granite headstone there are all kinds of black candles there's a name on the headstone and it's a legitimate headstone that's what the police officer said that part really disturbing that's gross man so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to return it though yeah it's fucking it's got his name on it's got his name on it is it died this that's the one okay i got birth and death both dates could be worse you know what i mean so uh it says right here father son and uncle so look for that now after the police search this whole house they find blood and all this type of stuff and legs and everything they say this is fairfield police sergeant ray hounchnel gotta say their names and they say something dumb quote we don't even know if we

have a crime committed here oh boy i beg to differ sir i beg to differ once you have fucking severed human legs there's some kind of crime committed. So I'm going to say yes. That man is taking innocent until proven guilty real far. Not even innocent. We don't even know a crime happened. Never mind we don't know they did it. We're not even sure.

That woman, like we said, she got out of a heart attack, exploded, legs popped off. We don't know for sure. Did you see the legs come off with a sock because i didn't now they arrested fryman and cox uh on us 40 near richmond indiana by a sheriff's deputy fryman was being sought for questioning in this and uh deborah had the gun on her she was holding the gun and uh they waive extradition and they're brought back there. Back to the search of the trailer. Cox and Freiman deny personal ownership of any of the satanic items in the trailer. That's mine.

Even though it's their trailer. Right. They also deny responsibility for painting the room black. They said, we didn't even paint it. We moved in and we were like, oh, cool. It's finally a trailer with a sorcery room. You know, we answered an ad that said a furnished trailer all this shit was here i mean it's just wild it's just what we were looking for too i said i want a two bedroom

one bath now we're gonna need a kitchen maybe a little dining area but i need a sorcery room damn it so if it's already prepared that'd be even better i need a two sorcery one bath that's how i need my sorcery budget is low right now so I'd like it to be if it's furnished already. That would help. So I'll assemble the shotgun. I will put it to. Well, the parts I have. And then I'll throw something at you and go, boom.

And you'll think it's a shotgun blast. So, yeah, they this is fucking weird. So they bring Freiman into the police and they're like, what do you got to say, dude? You know, you can't deny all this. This is a little bit ridiculous so what they end up doing is they tell him uh that uh they tell him that they found the rest of her body and they also tell him that uh um they also tell him that his girlfriend beverly has just revealed to them that she's pregnant in the other interrogation room two things that are not true she's pregnant you're gonna be a father now you got to take responsibility for your actions

and shit like that so um yeah they and then they also this is from right from the police officer quote i told john fryman that beverly cox had already told us that he had killed monica lemon and had lured her to the trailer and that he meant to kill her she gave you up and she's pregnant right and i mean jesus christ we got the body i'll tell you what your grandma died this morning i don't know if you know that but uh if you want to go to that funeral you better start talking that is a rather that guy just swung for the fences fuck it he really felt he had the right guy because otherwise you give somebody all that information as as somebody that didn't do it i just be like all

of that's false all that's irrelevant at this point to me personally yeah no he well he they told him all of this and this is the response uh he said quote he meaning fryman said quote bring me a quarter pounder and a coke and i'll make a statement oh so yeah he pulled just give me bring me fucking mcdonald's and i'll tell you everything you want to know skip the fries because james won't stick my face in it yeah i don't want anything to do with fat fry grease he then confessed to the crime he confessed everything and that he asked that the statement be shown to deborah cox because he didn't he said she didn't do shit in the statement she said all me i did everything deborah did nothing she if anything wouldn't have liked it that i was doing

it all this type of shit um so but the, he didn't even eat the quarter pounder. It wasn't for him. No? No. The police officer said the quarter pounder was given to the woman he loved, Cox. It wasn't for him. And so was the confession. Basically, he just, he got the McDonald's for her because she liked quarter pounders.

And then he fucking confessed and put it all on himself. I got you a quarter pounder. I'll see you around. i'll see you around see you around yeah meanwhile you know obviously she's in for murder and you know abuse of a corpse and everything else here he also said quote after he gave the whole thing up he's sitting there i assume eating the fries yeah and he says to everybody quote i probably made a mistake telling you guys all this i probably should have acted crazy huh they were like yeah probably it would have been a better strategy for you this guy would have failed the copy machine polygraph like he would have totally been fallen for it i found out a confession cost

them uh 4.99 that's unbelievable 87 that's 2.99 not even 4.99 that's incredible did i ever tell you about the other way they would do that well i don't think i ever did the fries and pepsi no the polygraph test oh there's another one so there's the failure or the loaded with paper right then there's another one where the guy this is out of the homicide book where it was in baltimore i believe either baltimore might have happened in detroit yeah the guy he was interviewing was really stupid he thought so he brought him in and made him do he asked him a question and he answered it and then he made him do a field sobriety test in the interrogation room and with what nose to your thing yeah like like he was a drunk regular side of the road drunk

driving test he didn't do well and the cop goes you failed you fucking lying motherfucker and the guy broke down cried and confessed to the whole murder he was like i failed the sobriety test i'm a liar the guy fell for it the cop said it just came up with a spur of the moment like i wonder if he's this stupid and he fucking was confession done that was awesome that's wild so february, 1987, they have to search for the rest of Monica, obviously. Did you kill this person? No. Pat your head, rub your tummy. That's what he did.

Can't do it, can you, you lying fuck? Stand on one foot, hop up and down. All right. That's not bad. I believe that. Hands, head back to the note. You lying, murderous bad. I believe that. Hands, head back to the note. You lying, murderous motherfucker.

You fucking murderer. I knew it. From Z to A, ABC, stop at Q. You lying motherfucker. You lying cocksucker. I knew it. I knew it. And he was like, you got me, man.

Shit. I knew they would come for me someday i knew it would never last tell me what the colors oh god i knew of the rainbow are backward backwards roy g biv go now that is awesome police work is incredible first five amendments of the bill of rights go huh that's not in the iowa said fucking do it you're dumb as shit you're clearly a murderer nope the fifth is freedom from self-incrimination you lying cocksucker the fourth is search and seizure fuck you you liar you backwards cocksucker all right so they're searching for monica on february 23rd which it's been out there a while.

Yeah. Like we said, the boots were identified by her father and everything like that. He admitted to placing her body in a dumpster, which was emptied into the landfill. They searched through the landfill for three whole days of searching through it. It's the Rumpke Waste Incorporated incorporated landfill near i-275 and us-27 they said quote we are confident that the body of monica lemon is in the rumkey dump site but after three days of exhaustive search it was realistic to call the search on oh no so they'd never find the rest of her the name of the place and the location are the most depressing places for a

final resting place dignity stripping words rump key yeah waste center now you know why her mom went there yeah good to look right because they want you know wanted to get her out of there i assume lady right so they called off the search and everything like that they said as a matter of logistics um you know it's just like that they said as a matter of logistics um you know it's just difficult and they said you know must have dumped her just because that was the heavy part of the body so you dump that in a dumpster and then you can get rid of the legs anywhere because they're what he had a fryman was driving a ford pinto station wagon stop it yes so it was easier to fit her in there that way he's actually driving yeah well plus two it's fucking

he let her sit there for a day so she's in rigor yeah well plus too it's fucking he let her sit there for a day so she's in rigor after that too so it's really hard to get someone in a trunk if they're stiff especially that car especially a piece of shit pinto right now so they indict both cox and fryman obviously um he is charged with aggravated murder she is charged with complicity to aggravated murder yeah clearly um the charges against them carry possible life sentences and his carries possible death sentence as well uh the fryman family makes a statement here's parents this is his father which can you imagine like an old school father he said quote this will be our only statement

which is exactly what the father would say yeah he said we are devastated our sympathy goes out to pat uh who is uh monica's mother and her family and friends we share in their grief we think our son's a piece of shit too basically yeah but you knew that's tough well you don't know he's he's 24 what he's supposed to do yes fucking you can't stop at 20 if he was 13 you'd go jesus check his room yeah this this didn't happen between 23 and 24 you know what i mean this has been going on so long still what are they gonna do he's lives in his own trailer with a ceramic goat head how are they supposed to stop that you know jesus god this sucks like if you did something now people go why didn't your mom

stop it because you're kind of an adult that's why can't. It still feels like they're responsible. Right? It does. It does anyway. In the Midwest. They are. They let them roam a bit. Come on. They share some. You knew.

You knew that fucking Black Sabbath album was going to be bad for him. You fucking knew it. But you bought it for him anyway. He's 12. I mean, I don't want him to have what the other kids have. You knew the possibility. No, we're kidding. You had to go too far.

So Beverly, let's talk about her charges for a minute because they change. Beverly Cox's charges change. They change when she is given full immunity. Why? Full immunity for turning state's evidence. Oh, God. Not only does she get full immunity, Jimmy, this is the craziest thing that's ever happened on small town murder. OK, she's being held from February 27th through the trial as a material witness for her own safety. And so she doesn't run away and all of that while she's being held because she's a witness, a material witness and not a suspect of any time.

They have to pay her. Stop this. She walks away from this with fifty three,300 and no charges against her. None. She made $5,300 in profit from murdering a 21-year-old girl, helping sever her legs, carry her out, dump her body, and throw her legs out of the car. She made a $5,300 profit from the state of Ohio. And they needed her.

To convict him? No. Well, yeah. Well, all he has to do is say, my confession was garbage. I just wanted a quarter pounder for my girlfriend. Unless they have Hearst putting him in there, I guess. But they also have Monica's blood is in his fucking house.

Ballistics to this. Not to mention, Tammy Rose is still in a fucking coma. So they also have him on that. They can hold him for a minute on that while they gather the rest. There's a lot going on here. But yeah, she's being held and being paid. I hate that. Once she testifies, she is going to not only leave the courtroom free as a bird with $5,300.

She leaves the country. She goes to Germany to live with her sister who's in the military. They rehomed her. Get the fuck. Yep. Gone. So sorry, Germany. Sorry. We didn't mean to dump that on you. germany to live with her sister who was in the military they rehomed her get the fuck yep gone so sorry germany sorry we didn't mean to dump that on you uh yes she's uh the prosecutor said quote her testimony against the defendant is vital our study of the evidence shows that beverly cox

was present when the events occurred but wasn't a party to it and that she was in that she was hiding in a closet okay i doubt that so anyway, she's being held, like we said. Ronald Kraft, who is her attorney, Beverly Cox's attorney, said she's given transactional immunity for her testimony and said that what this means is that she will not be prosecuted on the offense of complicity to aggravated murder. Nothing in there. The only thing she could be prosecuted for at this time

would be her failure to testify later on which would be contempt of court or perjury so that's it april 87 they start exchanging letters and from jail beverly and john to each other you know because they're so innocent so she says at this point she's sending him a letter saying that she's renounced the devil. She's been exercised in jail. Yeah. Okay. She says in this letter that, wow, the devil, quote, the devil goes back hundreds of years

in her family. He's been a family friend for a long time. Hey, he was at my grandfather's wedding. Yeah. Hey, he was at my daddy's. Chris, you know how it goes. It's just, he comes he's a family friend he hangs around and around all the parties comes over christmas eve doesn't bring any gifts you know that's where it goes to the knights of columbus and plays cards with my dad you know how it goes so uh she also said this

is a quote quote he tried to get my father but but he could not. So he went after me, the devil. She's a consolation prize. She wrote also, quote, the devil had me. I was going to kill myself. She said that it took the only thing that could save her was a ceremony in the Butler County Jail. Right. To finally rid herself of the demon. That's what she said.

A jail exorcism ridded her of her decades-long family demon four girls used a plunder and yanked him out of me that's it that's a 23 and demon 23 and me demon edition that's what it is how long have you had a demon in your family that's the 23 and me commercial i want to see so she says uh that the letter here was, she said she was the subject of an exorcism and stated in her letter that she was scared and confused at the time and didn't know what to do. So she had to get an exorcism. You know how it goes.

Right. She said, quote, I was pounding the walls with my fist, pounding my head against the walls. Yeah. That'll do it. Pacing the floor. My blood went blue. went blue which your blood is blue first of all i could not stop shaking it was horrifying she then says that a demon or spirit was in the room with her that needed to be extricated from her person clearly so she said that a demon or spirit was in the room, quote, that was removed out.

Okay. Okay. She blamed the previous blueness of her legs on poor circulation, which would be the more likely source of blueness in your legs rather than demonic possession. And varicose veins, sugar. Yeah. Imagine how many people right now are like, is it COVID or Satan? I can't tell. You know, people are like, do I have allergies? Or is this like, did I catch this shit? Or am how many people right now are like is it covet or satan i can't tell you know people are like do i have allergies or is this like did i catch this shit am i in

trouble right now am i in trouble right now that's the thing of my now is my circulation right or is that the devil i can't tell if my nose is a little stuffy or if i can't smell or taste neither one yeah none of it's good but you know one's worse than the other i think i'm breathing through swiss cheese lungs right now i think so probably she said that her parents brought her confirmation bible to the jail and that really helped her a lot she said quote dad was telling me everything was going to be all right that johnny couldn't do anything to me dad started reading me the bible he said everything would be explained evil and hell are all around us so So yeah, the exorcism took place on April 4th in jail while her parents

and their priest visited her in jail. It was like a family exorcism. You want to do that on like a Sunday? Family exorcism barbecue. That's what it is. After the game, you know, they go to church, you watch football, then you have a little like a lawn exorcism. Some chicken thighs. Chicken thighs. You do it down by the river

hoping your legs wash up. Usually that's how it works. A little fried out. Yeah, you know how it goes. Jesus Christ. So the letters went back and forth and these letters apparently convinced him to plead guilty in order to relieve her because she also sent him letters saying about her like horrible childhood.

Basically like, hey, plead guilty and say that you were alone and it'll be better for both of us because I don't deserve to be there. She told him about sexual abuse she suffered as a child. She's like, see, you know, you can get what I'm saying here. And in jail, too. She said she got attacked in jail. I'm sure she did. He does plead guilty to one thing.

He pleads guilty to uh gross abuse of a corpse which is because he said he sawed the legs off there's not a lot you can really do with that the rest of it though he's uh not gonna he's gonna say he's innocent we'll find out why why did he take the rap for this shit so that was the piece thought that she was pregnant he really bought it she was pregnant yeah he said that he wanted her to you know he her to get out, to have the baby and wanted to have a baby in jail. Yeah, that's tough. And all that sort of thing. So then he said that he believed that she was being sexually abused in jail.

So then he said he had to do it to get her out of jail. He said his lawyer said, quote, he read the law on capital punishment and Taylor made his statement to fit it all to protect Beverly. Even if he was looking at the electric chair, he was willing to do it at that time. Now that she says that, hey, like she wants nothing to do with him, she's going to testify against him. His lawyer says that Fryman is, quote, very disappointed in Cox, whom he calls a very scared young lady. Yeah. What he really said was, I should have killed that bitch. I should have cut her fucking legs off.

Damn it. Wrong legs. What he really said was, I should have killed that bitch. I should have cut her fucking legs off. Damn it. Wrong legs. Also in April, Tammy Rose still in the hospital. Oh, no.

Shooting victim from the gas station there. She's out of her coma. That's great. Undergoing therapy. Her father, James, said the gunshot wound suffered to her head, affected her ability to recall events. She has no memory of the shooting. Right. Whatsoever.

He says, quote, I'm glad they found the man who shot her but you know it's not going to help her any which is how i exactly how i feel about that when something happened to my i was like well that doesn't help me it's great that they're in jail but whatever um so she's having difficulty with recall peripheral vision and balance she does remember and identify relatives and friends but doesn't remember anything that happened recently and uh expects tammy to be released in may so she will make a recovery well hopefully you know more of a full than with a 25 caliber lobotomy exactly it's fucked up it's messed up man so pre-trial competency hearing because he's he's gonna plead insanity he goes not guilty i'm insane okay fuck it that's all i got at this point so the prosecutor said quote he may be different he may be strange he may be unusual

don't get me wrong yeah now but different strange and unusual do not mean he's not competent to stand trial he's a fucking weirdo yeah but that and this isn't like you know west memphis three no where they're just taking nothing and being like it was satan put these kids away right they're adding satan to actual physical evidence and confessions and things you know and not a confession of a scared 13 year old with a 66 iq we're talking about an adult man who knew exactly what he was doing and exchanged information for a quarter pounder this is a little bit different here um so then his lawyer, Freiman's lawyer, says, quote, the man is totally confused, judge. He doesn't know shit. He knows shit from Shinola.

He has no idea. Watch this. Shit. He has no idea. See? He doesn't know the difference. He even watched me put this shit in my hand. He said, woo, that shit stinks.

And then I said, shit, Shinola. He went, phew, boy, I tell you what. That's how dumb he is. They're real similar. Real similar. He said, when a man's on trial for his life, he doesn't spend seven months misleading his defense attorney and saying he will lead the way to the electric chair. Because that's what he was saying at first and then changed his mind when she got immunity. He's like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Now, hey, I was trying to lessen her sentence. Talk this over. This is fucked up. So he also says a doctor testifies who is the executive director of the Butler County Forensic Center. He says that Freiman's told him that he believes there is a conspiracy against him involving listening devices in his cell, CIA involvement and lookalikes posing as his defense attorney to get inside of his brain. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. posing as his defense attorney to get inside of his brain.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Fryman said that he would lead the way to the electric chair to make the statement about the injustices done to him. That's what he said. Another doctor, a Cincinnati psychiatrist, testified that in his session with Fryman that Fryman claimed his girlfriend Beverly Cox killed Monica. Cox had been granted immunity,

and so he's found competent to stand trial. Prosecutors go, all right, well, we're going to seek the death penalty on this asshole then so uh that sort of makes sense so the specifications are the fact that he killed miss lee he killed monica while in the in the process of committing a kidnapping of her because they were saying he wasn't letting her leave right that was the kidnapping so it's a stretch yeah we're trying to stretch it out and if they make if they throw all the goat head shit out there they might be able to scare the shit out of the jury enough to make them do it basically so the police said that uh in the trial that they believed it was a gunshot wound to the head legs were severed after she was murdered which is good yeah at least they didn't

do it while she was fucking alive right so the police believe that she went voluntarily to the mobile home because even the boyfriend said she called him to say to pick her up i mean there was definitely he didn't like she didn't even drive there no he didn't like get her in a headlock on the street and throw her in the back seat right but um they think that that he lured her there by deception and under false pretenses that he was going to help her cash stolen checks. So that would be kidnapping. Now, his attorney, Frank Schiavone, said that he was very surprised by the kidnapping specification and didn't think it would fly. So John, like I said, enters his insanity plea.

That's the way he's going to fucking play this. So the trial starts September of 87. Prosecutor in the opening, he tells everybody, look, you know how a stew is? A stew isn't one thing. You put meat in, there's water in there. There's flour in there.

There's vegetables in there. There's salt, there's pepper. It's got celery, for Christ's sake. Kind of like what we have here. We have a little murder stew with some mixture of anger the occult black magic satan little owl in there low blood yeah the owl blood it gives it it's like finishing with butter it just gives it like a sheen at the end and a smoothness that

other things don't give it you know you can substitute cornstarch for i mean for flour yeah you can do that but owl blood blood is real thick. It's essential. People have tried falcon blood. You could put a falcon blood in there. I mean, it'll work, but it doesn't have the same. It's just not the same. You know what I'm saying? It's like a gluten-free something.

You're like, yeah, that's sort of what it is, but it's not quite there. You know what I mean? A falcon really fucks a prey up to devour. An owl eats the whole thing and lets the body sort it out just shits out eyeballs and teeth and shit you know i mean that's kind of that's different smiles are so important to this you know how this works so uh they said uh john freiman arrived at the conclusion in his mind that he would kill monica and lure her to his trailer more like the other way around, but fine. The prosecutor said this was in the statements.

Now the defense, their case is Beverly did everything. John did nothing. Beverly was jealous over Monica because they knew each other before Beverly and John knew each other, and they were hanging out, and she thought that Monica liked John, so she got jealous. They got in a fight.

Gave the wrong person immunity. There you go. Beverly shot her in the head, and then John's only thing was helping her. We'll talk about what he tells her, what he said. John says he wants to testify here. He's dying to testify. He'd love to. I mean, more happy I could not be to really tell you my side

of the story but number one i can't swear on the bible obviously that's not going to work for me and i really can't take any oaths of any kind so unless it's like a satanic oath type of thing i really i'm not really in the realm of oaths at the moment per se yeah oaths so sorry can't testify so that's his excuse for not testifying it's not that he doesn't want to have the prosecutor rip his story to shreds it's just a you know it's an honor thing this is what he looks like by the way at trial oh my look at his what is happening his hair is not he's got a real like 87 bruce willis thing happening where it is running toward the back of his head it looks like he has that like

X-Men metal chrome thing on his head. Yeah, and then he's got his hands on his temples. And the hairline's wild. That's fucked up. He looks like the brain. His head blew up in prison. It does look bigger. You see, he doesn't look like a big guy. Now you can see his neck is normal. It's just that picture.

And the sweater's bad. Yeah. So he said that, yeah, his attorney said that he would not take the oath which meant he couldn't be prosecuted or cross-examined prosecutor said that or he couldn't be cross-examined by the prosecutor the prosecutor john holcomb called it quote the joke of the month mad yeah how dare he so the defense attorney said the evidence will show that fryman left monica at the mobile home he just left he said he went to middletown to buy some weed oh he just went to buy some buds i came back and beverly was fucking hysterical okay she was screaming all over the place she said it's an accident and blood was on the floor and what do i do yeah so then at that

point he saw beverly crying he couldn't he couldn't couldn't bear witness to that he said he looked down he patted her and he said don't worry sweetie i'll take care of everything okay that's when he cut the legs off and he hauled her out to the pinto yeah that's why he pleaded guilty because he said i did abuse the corpse but i was out getting a fucking nickel bag i don't know what you're talking about here he's mr ratchet that's all what are you gonna do i'll take care of this i got it don't worry two days later uh he was pumping gas he said at the clark service station minding his own business just pumping gas as one does and he said that beverly went in to get a drink and while he's in there and while she's in there he's pumping

and she hears he said he hears two loud pops from inside and beverly ran out oh my god she's a monster she's a fucking monster this woman it's a chick on a leash wow yeah she's god god control your bitch motherfucker sorry i had to go 70s yeah so uh she's that bad bitch from the craft wow this. This is grief. He said that when he when she returned that she, quote, had a smile on her face and money from the gas station. So she didn't even have any remorse. She says that, you know, he says that Cox feared her her old husband, the Satanist. And that's why they had a gun, because it was her gun that she had for protection against her Satanist ex--husband which he helped her purchase from for a guy from a guy for 45 dollars quality weapon and uh when they were arrested beverly was carrying the gun so that's why they sort of were like maybe that's

true but the rest of it who cares now uh patricia lehman that is monica's mom she says that uh she says that john she's talking to the press saying that John is playing mind games when, you know, he says Beverly did it. It's bullshit. She says, quote, he plays mind games. People involved in psychology can get people in their confidence and do things to people and do these things to people that are naive and not so used to being around jailbirds. Okay. What you mean is you're he's manipulative he's a manipulative asshole yeah that's all it is and that girl's beverly's

four years younger than him right too which is also a thing that guy's a frightening man he's a frightening fucking man who knows how many times he would do this more yeah like for sure not saying he hasn't done this more but right he would do this way more after this if you got away with it you'd be like oh that was great life doesn't mean much no clearly not um she also the mother says she doesn't believe that her daughter got in a fight over john uh she says quote monica would have never confronted her and argued it was not in her personality if they did not get along she would have stayed away from them which might be true uh now during the trial they take the jury on a field trip oh god oj style oh no to the trailer oh jesus now the problem with this is is obviously the trailer is not in the same condition it was they had to catalog remove everything everything's gone so the prosecutors

recreate the sorcery room oh yeah they yeah. They take all the items seized. They put them back. They set things up all in all the evidence. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But they set it up how they want it. They make it try to make it real creepy. They want the jury to be like, oh, man.

Yeah. But they set up like a set. Right. This is it's the same thing. OJ's lawyers did it the opposite way. They said it was all pictures of like him with like Martin Luther King and shit. It was like, oh oh look at how what it's how they did it so the jurors tore the trailer but by the way they're like jesus it's

fine now i gotta sit in on a murder trial but i gotta go in someone's dirty sleazy fucking trailer too jesus they saw ceramic figurines of a witch a dragon with a feline creature with bat-like wings okay the trailer also included and they put this all in here, black candles, a Ouija board, and the topper, Jimmy, the Jerry on top, pictures of unicorns. Pictures of unicorns. What the fuck is satanic about that?

It's a third grader's trapper keeper it's a fucking unicorn i gotta go to my daughter's room and tear that shit off the wall she is she's dangerous watch make sure she doesn't have a circular saw anywhere in your fucking house oh shit pictures of unicorns they're creepy mystical creatures with a horn a horned horse with wings? Satan. Only Satan would make one of those. It's winged. Emily's got Ouija board pillows and shit on her couch and sage burning in the bathroom. For the love of Christ. I'm horrified.

I'm lucky to be alive, man. She's going to kill you, Jimmy. No doubt. She's going to drain my flood. Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. With an owl. Obviously. Jesus.

Who wouldn't? Holy fuck. right in my flood oh i would doubt with an owl obviously jesus who wouldn't holy fuck and the closet door is inscribed with uh some shit that ends with our father who art in hell that's their big thing there so that's weird that's weird that's weird as fuck so the jurors got to go there the prosecutor said uh said about when asked if it was the most bizarre case he's ever done, he said, this is a bizarre business. This case is evil business. The evil here shows that this man was making a business out of being evil. Does anyone know how to talk in this fucking town? Them legs, if it wasn't for the wedding,

they'd have been there before we found them. Pardon, Sheriff? Also, they were there before you found them. This is a bizarre business. This case is evil business. The evil here shows that this man was making a business out of being evil. That's what of the fucking, he is the Butler County prosecutor. A whole fucking county.

He's in charge of saying when someone should fucking have the weight of the state pressed against them. That man. The fuck out of here with that. Something just sound four different ways to say evil and business together that's what evil and it's evil and he's made a business out of the evil of business of business evil you know what i mean and it's that makes it an evil business you know what i mean it's evilly it's a business and there's a lot of business involved in it too so i won't get into everything now september 23rd 1987 is beverly's testimony

she's gonna come and testify she testifies for three hours and uh it's pretty fucking interesting uh when asked if devil worship uh by fryman were discussed in the testimony later on the prosecutor says quote does a bear live in the woods oh Oh, boy. You pussy. Just say shit. When you say that, everyone went. Everyone in their head went shit. Everyone. Four-year-olds went shit. You mean shit? They all heard shit.

So you said it. They thought shit, then thought about it more and thought shit again. So you actually multiplied the shit by not saying shit. You cleaned up a very common phrase, sir. If you just said bear shit in the woods they would have went shit once not three shits assholes also they've been like why do you why do you use that why don't you just say pope have a funny hat you know i mean yeah that's clean at least i am i don't know he's like well then they say i'm coming down on the catholics you know

why is it so funny i pray with that man yeah it's not so funny that's so funny to me it's ain't so funny on fucking christmas oh y'all are good friday rubbing up on church then ain't you now it's a great hat huh oh it's beautiful now beverly when asked about satanism she said quote i don't believe in any of that stupid crap anymore anymore anymore i did for a long time now she talked about an exorcism and that an evil spirit had settled around her and that her father had been pursued by a demon and everyone in the jury was like are you fucking hearing this bitch are you hearing this and that she helped him steal a tombstone for the altar that's a real tombstone she said she was freed of satanism in april about the same time she lost her love for satanism in april about the same time she

lost her love for john freiman uh you know about the same time she was offered immunity as well it's a pretty interesting uh the timeline to be expected don't pay too much attention to that it's all a coincidence but you know she said he warned her not to tell anyone that he had killed monica now in the closing uh the defense is going to try to put a lot on beverly sure they say quote beverly cox sits 200 yards from this witness stand laughing because she pulled it off she pulled off her little trick she has made a fool of the state of ohio don't let her make a fool of this jury yeah i half agree with that yeah uh he also told the jurors to discount the statement, discount the statements that John made to

the police that said he did it. That's very, you know, you don't want to listen to that stuff. That's silly. He thought he had a baby on the way. You guys, it's silly stuff. I see. It's a pretty mature dad decision. Have you had the fries at the McDonald's on Fairfield Road?

They're really good. They'll make you talk. They make fresh ones every time and they salt them. They'll make you say some shit. I almost admitted to killing this lady. They'll make you talk. They make fresh ones every time and they salt them. They'll make you say some shit. I almost admitted to killing this lady. I'll tell you that right now. So when he admitted to the crimes, he said he was trying to protect Cox. Schiavone also chided the prosecutors.

That's a defense attorney. Schiavone chided the prosecutors for recreating in court the satanic sorcery room. And they keep bringing up sorcery room and all that you could just say brought her in there motive doesn't matter at trial so you can say we don't know why we don't really give a shit why he definitely brought her in there shot her in the head and cut her fucking legs off and dumped her so the why is really not important here the where matters the where but i mean sat Satanism isn't an extra charge. There's no fucking point in even bringing it up unless you're trying to inflame the

jury, which I fucking hate it when they do that shit. Yeah. They take small town people or Midwestern people, nice people that are scare the shit out. Yeah. They just, you know, they watch 2020 like all Satan's out there. Right. And then they're going to scare the shit out of them.

Why you have the West Memphis three. Right. You know, you don't want them cutting your kids up do you right also people that go to church on the reg and uh they know several passages of the bible that mean a lot to them yes and that's not bad no it's a lot of people that go to church on the reg would laugh at that shit and be like that's this is not religion but this they'd be like yeah this is stupid obviously they're just it's a different thing but they're they they try to pick the dumbest 12 out in the jury they can find that's you i've seen videos of attorneys in conferences going you want to get dumb jurors you don't want anybody that's too smart right you know anybody that's going to

be starting shit in the fucking jury room asking questions find the guy with the drool on his chin that's the first one he wants to go home right the guy's like a hat with a fish on it that means he's gonna want to go fishing he's gonna he'd rather be fishing right so he's gonna want to leave early this shit cleaned up by sunday he's gotta do it that's how it works now he said uh they start biting around 4 a.m yeah so they said that the sorcery room was terrible they made an altar from the tombstone and various statues. He says, quote, It's a creation of a 24-year-old who's got something weird to play with. Does it prove murder? So what?

He's a weirdo, basically. And the prosecutor said that the defense did not substantiate its theory of the case. And he said in his own words, that's a prime and sports reference there. He's talked about Freiman's statement. And he said it's a perfect statement to put him in the electric chair. And it is because that's a private sports reference there. He's talked about Freiman statement and he said, it's a perfect statement to put them in the electric chair. And it is because that's what he said during his statement. He goes there, I gave you everything you need to put me in the electric chair.

Go ahead. And then later on, he's like, maybe I shouldn't have done that. Now he also says, quote, being an admitted so-called magician, he would have had to do the killing to increase his powers.

This is where it gets no it's not what it was about i'm a black magic you know he would have had to do this to increase his powers he was trying to make his way up the pyramid is that what they call themselves magicians he's trying to get people under him you know like the vampire pyramid scheme this is like a soul pyramid you know whole multi-level multi-level soul scheme you know i don't think i've ever heard anybody say i'm a black magician i've heard them say i practice black magic yeah i'm a black magician right i've heard of people say they're a black magician but it was just a black guy who does magic it wasn't he doesn't do black magic it's only three of them he's just yeah

he just does the magic so he said he would have had to do the killing to increase his powers like it's a fucking Wii game. Why is that a Wii U game or some shit? It's an Xbox thing here. He's going to increase his powers. Right. Why is magic a white people thing? I don't know.

Because it's stupid. No offense, but if you like magic. But my cousin, I have a cousin who I'm very close to who went to a magic camp when he was a teen. Loved magic. And I was like, what the fuck are you doing? And then there was a gathering at my aunt's house in Scranton, Pennsylvania. And all my cousins, like these fucking Scranton alcoholic guinea fucking lunatics that never have a shirt on in the winter and all this shit. Hell yeah.

These guys, he did a trick and thought he was all cool. And they're like, how'd you fucking do it? And he's like, well, I can't tell. And they go, how'd you fucking do it? And everybody gets well i can't tell him they go how'd you fucking do it and everybody gets closer and he's like well you take the car giving up all the tricks yeah he got threatened to get the shit beat out of him by like fucking eight of his cousins that was different that's fascinating that you never see a black guy go you want to see a trick yeah never see that nope and if you ask them if they want to see a trick they're like no they're the same reaction i do no dummy no for what is it real no well then fuck you what do i care if you're really magic let's

see it great i'd love to see that so he said you see it makes sense that he did it it doesn't make any sense that cox did it because that wouldn't raise his magician status why does he want to take the blame for it if she has immunity he would be putting the blame on her because she's going to go free anyway uh this so they said uh holding up a bible he said this to the jury this is during his closing the prosecutor he says uh he went against that ancient law thou shall have no other gods before me so now now he's mixing fucking. You can't do that. No, this is stupid. This is dangerous. Moderation in dealing with wickedness only adds foolishness to the crime.

Find him guilty as charged. I don't like that. So the defense says, quote, the devil didn't make this man do this. I can't help but feel that Beverly Cox has made a fool of the state of Ohio. That's what he says. Now the verdict comes down. Yeah. Do they believe this mean i think they believe here um at their senior altar death guilty of everything he did it all he did it all uh he's guilty of the kennedy assassination both of them as a matter of fact robert too right um you know i didn't care so they charged him for

the laundry bill for jackie's dress. It's true. I think they were pinning the flight that landed in the field in Pennsylvania on him, too, I believe. He was the one who tried to hijack it. I think they said that, 9-11. So September 24th, 1987 is sentencing. And yeah, during sentencing, he talks. He does his little spiel trying to save his life and he talks about the he's got an inverted swastika inside of his bottom lip he's got a

swastika in his mouth yeah in his mouth you can't have a swastika in your fucking mouth inverted uh that means it's so i guess when you look at it, you pull it down. Okay, I get it. But inverted implies like upside down or backward. You can't make that upside down. You know what I mean? It's kind of the same. No, I think it actually has a certain... The legs go to the right.

I don't know because I'm not a Nazi. The legs go to the right. I do know that. That shows how not up on my Nazi culture I gotta be honest with you I've watched too many shit movies yeah I just can't place it in my head the legs go to the right

so I remember seeing it too because my grandfather was in World War II and he had in his gun case up there he had like those fucking knives that those Nazi soldiers used to carry because I guess they'd pick them up over there for souvenirs the soldiers during World War II

so he had a bunch of these like little hand knives that the handles are like when they have a fucking swastika on the handle they're given to the soldiers to whatever so he uh hey he had like fucking five of them up there you guys he collected them interesting though to look at i was like whoa that's crazy that's you you killed a nazi for that neat you know what i mean that's's pretty fucking neat. Well, and inverted meaning backward, I guess, if the legs are going the opposite way on your lip, that doesn't mean anything. Well, I mean, put it this way. He said he did it backwards in the inside of his lip as a tip of the cap to Satanism

where the pentagram is inverted and the cross is inverted and things are inverted. Because he's underneath, obviously, clearly. so he said that's why he did it it's it's just an it's mixing it's mixing nazism with satanism that's the thing you know what i mean you got two different groups they're very disparate they don't have anything in common you want to bring them together i figure double your audience double your devil worshipers and the and the naz, if you put them together, he's like, we could all get along. Just great. I mean, there's room for everyone.

There's room for hate. There's room for evil. Room for more hate. It's just going to be a wonderful time. He called the swastika, not a swastika, but he called it a wheel of life. Oh, boy. Because, you know, he's from Tibet. Right.

He's from ancient Tibet. Yeah. Tibet a thousand years ago. So clearly to him, it's got aibet right he's from ancient tibet yeah tibet a thousand years ago so clearly to him it's got a different meaning he's not from fucking ohio what it was invented it was a side of religion i don't give a fuck shut up it's not anymore yes shut up you fucking supremacist asshole so uh he says it's a good sign not a bad one that's what he's explaining to the jury he also acknowledged because they asked him that tadva is his satanic name i mean i have that but he said that cox also was in the satanism way before he met her he's like i didn't get her into it for christ's sake

he said quote i just catered to this woman's madness that's all i was just doing what she i was looking for pussy man yeah you know what i'm saying sometimes you put up with some crazy for the crazy yeah i go because i'll tell you what while you get her in the bedroom that's a great hummer tell you something i said yep the devil made you do something girl because god damn you i don't know if you got the devil inside you but you got something in there tell you what i'll climb right up in there with him he said that deborah once told him that a psychic once told her there would be a tragedy. He said, quote, she said she and another person would be arm in arm with a mutilated body between them. That's what she told him back in the day.

The prosecutor in closing said, Jesus, he really loves this, said, quote, Tadva the magician, Tadva the prince of evil deserves to die. Okay. So the judge asked him if he had any last words to say for himself here before sentencing. And he said, I don't think this is a good one. Sir, I can only maintain I did not commit these crimes. Oh, no. The judge said, all right then. But the jury comes back with their

recommendation and the judge can't go over that okay so that's how that works the judge has something to say himself he says this is good because this is why we have this yeah while indeed beverly cox may have had some culpability i believe these crimes originated with you and she had very little to do with it except for the gross abuse of corpse you sir may fuck off it's uh it's basically life in prison yeah is what he gets here um we'll talk about it it's it's like 35 30 years for one thing and then 25 years and then six years of something else and it's all consecutive okay basically he's eligible for parole after 61 years so at this point it's 2035 he's eligible for parole okay so that's what he's got going on for him so that's not great no at all 61 years when you're 20 so when he's 85 he'll be eligible

for parole wow i wonder if he'll still be in uh he'll be dead right you don't live to be 85 in there um you want to find out what happens to him in prison because let's talk about that because he's got this is not over jimmy there's he hooks up with another serial with a with another horrible murder and gets attacked in prison let's talk about oh no quickly here with the the uh the reactions the prosecutor said this man's got a minimum sentence of 70 years. It's really 61, but fine. He'll never get out in his lifetime. He'll be 85, but fine.

You want to feel good about yourself? This prosecutor's proud. He's just a, he likes, he's very hyperbole. He's a hyperbolic motherfucker. He says he'll never be a menace to society again. Well, that might be. She's 85. I'm sure he's not going to go wild and at that point in time.

So the defense said the jury saw a woman who got who was going home so absolutely free with her with who has some involvement in this. I don't think the jury could tolerate putting John in the electric chair and putting Beverly on a plane to Europe. She says that's why the jury didn't vote for death is because they know that both of them did it. And this she gets to go free and gets fifty three hundred dollars. He's going to get the electric chair. That might be a little not right. So this this is one of those double standards of of we always say there's a lot of sexual like gender double standards and it goes both ways all the time. This is one that's on us that we get more.

This is one that's on us that we get more. If two of us commit a murder, they'll ask you to testify against us in exchange for immunity well before they'll do that with us. Sorry about your 70 cents on the dollar. Enjoy your freedom. We have that anyway. So as long as you're not involved in a murder, I guess it doesn't matter. But anyway, that's the only thing. That's what we got.

So otherwise, it's fine. So they said that the jury may have been less likely to give the death penalty because also that she was lured there under the pretense of cashing stolen checks. So they think they might have felt like she wasn't as innocent of a victim as bullshit. Stolen checks is nowhere near needs to be murdered and dismembered. That's asinine. Shot in the head and legs removed? Asinine. For stealing checks? That deserves maybe probation. If the court wouldn't do it he can't that's what i'm saying maybe

probation not a horrible abusive murder so uh ronald craft who was cox's attorney says he's satisfied with the job that happened i bet he is no shit i got her paid and no jail time nothing he's pretty good at this. Very pleased. The jurors said that the jury, oh, a juror said the jurors were split initially on the sentencing and had to talk things over. And then they deliberated for three hours on the death penalty before reaching a recommendation of 30 years in prison before parole eligibility on the two counts. So that was that. Now, John himself, he says, quote, I'm happy not to get the electric chair yeah obviously but i'm

extremely upset to even get convicted because i did not do this he's pissed he said if that jury would have believed i did this beyond a shadow of a doubt they would have given me the electric chair i believe that beverly's testimony gave them an insight into what really took place like they know they fucked up and whatever now the fan Monica's family, her aunt, BJ Hausler, said she was satisfied with the sentence because she believed her niece would be satisfied with the sentence. She says, quote, She did not believe in the death penalty,

but I think she'd be happy that he's going to be an old man in jail. She wouldn't want him to be walking the streets either. That's fair. Now, August 1990, there's an appeal um the appeal basically is over um saying that the uh the uh uh it was an incompetent prosecution uh they said recreating the sorcery room was the biggest one that was a big you know that's hard yeah that's that is rough man that's i don't like that at all that's a real they did not necessary no and definitely inflammatory hang an owl or anything i'm sure the dead all sorts of animals are killing them themselves officers kill like five six little woodland

animals and just line them up around the room we need to really make it real can somebody behead a squirrel while we bring juror number eight in jesus i want the other four to hear it squeal no shit i want i really need to hear them damn it i need 12 of them 12 little animals they said that they did this to arouse the jury's sense of horror regarding the defendant's lifestyle he wants his conviction set aside new trial the the appeals court says i don't think so denied fuck uh fuck back off again sir now uh here he is by the way when he's appealing even less hair now oh he keeps that fucking creepy face oh he's a creepy big-eared motherfucker his mouth is crooked he's got a weird he's got it's not an attractive man no he's not fucking

he gets worse with age looks like a guy that being in double worship i think it looks like the bad guy from total recall a little bit yeah bit. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah, I could call. Now, 1997, in prison, actually in 93 it happens, but in 97 is when the trial happens. John is attacked in jail. Really? He's attacked. Apparently, there is a group of Muslim dudes, a group of black Muslims, led by a particularly Carlos Sanders, who is a particularly bad motherfucker motherfucker who has a trial in 97 for starting riots multiple murders all sorts of shit in prison apparently uh this mr sanders thought old

mr fryman had ratted on one of the other muslims so he ordered some of his guys to go stab the shit out of him so they go over and they stabbed the fuck out of him uh they thought that he had tipped off the guards about a knife that someone had in their cell so a riot starts basically over this inmates when the riot starts they go and unlock his cell and go get him out which is a bad thing they get the keys yeah they pulled john out and began beating him he ran and staggered for the exit but he was beaten to the floor um this uh when we let him take over here he says quote i saw hasan point at me and say get that motherfucker kill that white motherfucker he said he ran down the stairs he had a knife in his hand and he jumped up and kicked me in the chest then stabbed him in the arm uh severing several tendons and leaving the shank in him

uh basically uh uh he's what he says he ended up he played dead yeah that's what he did he went down and played dead with an arm wound when they found him he had an officer's badge pinned in his forehead oh my yeah that's rough and an american flag wrapped around him and it looked just like he was dead they like wrapped him up in a flag like there's your fucking there's your helper and gave it back um yeah so that was that now um he ends up getting a large settlement really from this yes from the state for being attacked in prison uh in this way because uh however there was some sort of incompetence in the jailing system so he ends up with a large settlement how much well it doesn't really matter because uh 2014 comes around and that we'll talk about the the monica's family because they sued him for wrongful death

in 1988 and they won a million dollar judgment against him suck it sir he had no money obviously and no way to pay it he took a badge to the face to pay her back that happened and he pays her back if he has to now she comes out in the paper saying in 2014 that she was upset that there was no death penalty in 1987 because she wishes that he would been killed in the electric chair and she says how much he supports the death penalty and all this type of shit now 2015 he finds a friend the friend is a girl named krista gail pike she's on death row in tennessee nice girl um she's up for appeal in 2015 but john puts a stop to her appeal want to know how uh well they exchanged letters for a long time in these letters uh she's in jail for murder and we'll talk about what she did. But in the letter, she talks about how much she likes blood.

She said it's quite beautiful before it turns brown. And then she says in a letter that it's sprinkled, which she she sprinkled her own blood on the letter for him. Here's some blood for you. Yeah, but by the time it gets here, it's brown. It's brown. You asshole. She also writes about how much she liked to inflict pain and see others suffer. She said, I love the feel of life, then lack of, then lack thereof in my hands.

And me just knowing the pain I can cause after accepting so much, and they will all know it's me. She also says, quote, I like to see blood and brains, fatty tissues, and wide open ripped flesh. What is, why is this allowed to be on the bars i don't know who's not monitoring this she also writes i'm on i'm unlike all others johnny uh referring to there she refers to him as her soulmate best friends uh she was the ringleader of in the torture murder of a 19 year old named colleeen Slemmer, who she believed liked her boyfriend, believed liked her boyfriend. It took place in an isolated section of the University of Tennessee's agricultural campus was known as the Job Corps murders because the attackers were students at the Job Corps Center. She was cut slashed, beaten.

Pike stabbed her for 45 minutes. Oh, my. 45 minutes of consistent stabbing. Just took a break for a minute, went back to stabbing, and her boyfriend was there and all this type of shit. And then before, finally, bashed her skull in with a chunk of asphalt. Wow. And then, during all this, while she was still alive, though,

carved a pentagram bordered by a circle into her chest while she was still alive. And then before she left the scene, she reached into Slemmer's broken apart head and took a piece of skull as a souvenir. That is fucked up. This lady is a fucking scary person. They said it's not clear how they ended up hooking up together but they did in their first letter in the first letter dated september 11th pike says that they wrote for the last year that's the first one they found i have had to put a harness of sorts on my power she writes uh because she said that she there are many people who deserve to feel her wrath she says i feel we were going to be very close very fast then she says she wonders if she's ever going to quote

really be myself with you and complains that corrections officers had taken away some shit she had in a bag that she had she said inside however were things i hold dear to my chest including blood from six different people oh she keeps blood from people creepy the october that year she describes a series of rape and abuse incidents that she claims occurred to her in prison and throughout her life and all sorts of stuff like that and she describes the pleasure she got out of beating other children when she was younger she liked to beat up other kids and hurt them after people would hurt her feel good no uh october 6th letter is opening with johnny yes, I do love you. And this is in her own blood.

She wrote this. Oh, yeah. Johnny, I do love you in blood and blood. Then she writes, see, I have an innocent baby face, the face of an angel. It describes me to a lot of people. I need my horn. So I'll have something to hang my halo on. It surely would fall off without it.

Then she says she's she's dealing she's having a she's dealing with demons right now so she doesn't talk to you all the time she's got a lot going on with demons yeah uh she says quote i used to have three but now i only have one she said the other two were weak uh but i do wish you'd remove this one can you help me out i know you're like a demon guy yeah like an owl maybe owl, maybe. She said, quote, he's big and tough, but he's stupid and he's holding me back. So, you know, in the next paragraph, she writes, if you remove it from my being, will it stay around me or feel betrayed and leave altogether? She calls Fryman a beautiful creature and asks him to, quote, make love to my mind. This lady's an asshole.

She wants him to write fucky fucky between prison and prison? Pretty much. That's gross. The last letter of the group they found was Pike writing that she seriously loves Ryman and signs it eternally your princess, Krista Gale. Okay. Now, she really says in all these letters she trusts him and she opens up to him. That was fucking stupid because when her appeal comes up in 2015, Johnny sends eight of the letters to the Knox County Assistant District Attorney General Bill Crabtree just after Christmas.

He he he was the one who prosecuted her and was handling the handling the appeals. He says, quote, figure all these things are of more value to you than me this is the greatest first fucking good thing he's done in his whole life yeah he said you see mr prosecutor dude did he really write real this is a quote he's seen as a prosecutor dude he's like well fuck it he doesn't care he's not asking for anything he's just like listen i'm gonna act like mr prosecutor dude i'm gonna act like i'm spicoli in here he goes you see mr prosecutor dude i'm gonna act like mr prosecutor dude i'm gonna act like i'm spicoli in here he goes you see mr prosecutor dude i'm down in prison for satanic murder uh they say i still practice magic he says uh he was convicted he talks to the guy i'm in here for this he said i was convicted for quote

killing one of my witches though the body was never discovered rather they only found a pair of legs that had been severed from the body behind an abandoned church in indiana it wasn't a band uh he goes and fucking churches out of there or weddings out there then he gives all the letters and he said he goes on at the end to write quote krista loves me go figure huh and uh he said quote uh he said that uh he wanted uh fryman wrote uh that pike wanted him to attack the prosecutor with black magic and he said i've decided to go after her foolish girl that she is and uh he also finishes at the end you have a nice day mr crab mr crabtree or whoever whoever the hell cares in this case he's just like take that it helped a lot by the way sure Sure. Totally fucked her completely. Now, later on, one of these letters is for sale on Serial Killers Inc.

Oh, God. Dot net. And this letter that he writes after he turned her letters over to authorities. And it's like a shitty kind of apology. It's four pages front and back. Now, I have it here, the picture of it. Yeah. Very nice handwriting he's got, by the way.

Krista. Wow. I can't. It's so hard to to read it's like calligraphy what happens when a something fall i'll post it but if you guys can read it that'd be great but it's it's beautiful it's just i can't read that just ask jesse i see something i don't know what the fuck that is but uh yeah so he sent her that it's a very like shitty sarcastic apology like sorry not sorry fuck you you're scum anyway what do you care suck it basically yeah you're you're trusted a piece of shit and i'm a piece of shit who go figure huh like that's basically what he's saying here and um yeah so she's on death row he is still in prison remaining there at the

toledo correctional institution as of now i suppose there uh his birthday is christmas yeah so there he is and uh he'll probably die in there i hope so and if not then he'll get out when he's way too feeble to for it to matter to anybody but chris is not going anywhere either no which is lucky no she's at least going to stay in prison those she had the death penalty and those letters did not help her appeal at all they were like she loves to see open flesh and brain tissue she wrote this last month like she said brain matter that's that's too much that's too much fatty tissue that's what she said that was fucking disgusting so that everybody is fairfield ohio that's one of the wildest goddamn cases we've...

That's too much. It's a lot. It's a lot. But, I mean, it's not Rulo. No. Not too much like that. That's just a lot. It's just a lot of crazy.

Yeah. And we feel terrible for poor Monica, man. She had it terrible. Her family, that just sucks. Beverly's in... Well, she was in Germany. Who knows where she is today? Who knows where she is?

She took her 5300 and went overseas, for fuck's sake. We don't know what the hell she did. She got paid to murder a woman. Went and listened to German metal music. I'm sure she was. She's worse today, right?

She'd be super. Oh, way worse. She's an angry bitch today. Totally angry. She's got like aggressive piercings in places that people don't have piercings.

You're like, I never saw anybody pierce their fucking inside of their elbow before. It's a weird one. She has a corset on her belly. What is that? Very strange piercing you got there i don't get it but that is fairfield ohio hope you enjoyed it if you did i know how you can tell us apple podcast that purple icon get on there let us know how much you enjoyed the show let everybody else know more importantly it

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Tickets are going to be $15. We wanted them to be less than that. It's it just has to be that i'm sorry that's the way it has to be to make to so we can actually pay for the service and do all the stuff and it's the way it is we wanted to do pay as you want and that way you could have given whatever you could afford because we know a lot of people right now are hurting and shit like that and we kind of wanted to we wanted to make it as affordable as possible for people too to wear it yeah twenty dollars felt like it too much too much uh fifteen dollars feels like you can watch it on a computer and watch it with a bunch of people and it's still only 15 it's still only 15 it's cheaper than a ticket to our live shows that's the other thing too we can't do live

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for sale and were sold and hear like how what happened to them i need to know prices yeah that's the thing how much less of a dip and now we're not going to do amityville we won't do that one obviously these are going to be ones you've never heard of probably and somebody owns that right now oh yeah yeah that's a right on the water that's a nice neighbor somebody that listens to this uh lives around there no their their aunt owns it okay maybe i don't think there's something in there like that, absolutely. Somebody whose family lives in it. Yeah, either way, you can do all of that over at patreon.com slash crime and sports.

Anybody above the $5 level is going to get access to that wonderful, wonderful bonus material. Right. And also, if you just want to make a donation, be a nice person, have good karma, and have Jimmy destroy your name. Thank you. We appreciate it you can do that over at paypal using our email address crime in sports at gmail.com that said jimmy i'm sorry i need it i need after that story and all this i need some good news positivity give me the names of the people who make me feel better than anybody else who are they jimmy this week's

executive producers are Christopher Piper. I think that's, did I do that right? I did. Michael Piccinetti. Michelle Wolford. I know. You fucked up an Italian name. I'm shocked.

Knocked it out of the park. Mitchell, is that Mitchell? Yeah, Mitchell Fisher. Becca Beatty. David Jacobs. Laura Maloney, I think, or Malone. JP Circa 3. I don't know what that means, Jen Cowherd, Chris Crowe, Caitlin Terwilliger, Chloe Ross, Natasha Harris, Holly B, Dylan

Christian, Natasha Niedzolka, Andrew Werdner, what did I do? Werdrer, I think. Werdrer. Yeah. Obviously. Tracy Mitchell, Holly Moore, Jackie Sukup, Jordan Bennett, of course, and Jordan and her husband, Simon. do word drawer i think word drawer you know obviously uh tracy mitchell holly moore jackie sukup jordan bennett of course and jordan and her husband simon they're the best thank you guys so much for everything you do for us canadian friends you're fucking amazing yeah but they're they live

in canada well technically yeah and jordan still says he's never going to be canadian no matter how much he wants to be which she's still technically british isn't she then i guess if you're canadian she's on she's on your money you're whatever that is that's exactly and then of course christianne costaldi who's been around for seven years with this shit you guys are the best thank you so much for everything you do truly from the bottom of our hearts other computers computers no contributors this week are shane steather, I think, Michael Begley, Caleb Doherty, Megan Welp, is that right? Christian Self, Ezio Mario? Ezio. Hey.

Right. Kay Giles? No, that's not right. Is it right? Kay Giles? That's C. Cindy Rodriguez, Sylvia In... Sylvan...

What? Sylvan Martel, I think. Kyle Gilbert, Danny Marshall. Megan Wakefield. Alex Freidel. Alexandria Bybeg. Samantha Simons. Paul West.

Kelvin Wildeman. Diane Carver. Martha Radley. Katie Swan. Rebecca Riley. Brady. Bridie. Corky.

Cork. Kimberly. Nope. Kimber Jones. He's just making noises now, Corky, Cork, Kimberly, nope. Kimber Jones. He's just making noises now. Corky, Corky, Corky. That's basically what a name is. A name's just making noise.

Kimber Jones, also Kimberly with no last name. John, nope, that's Joe Jones Jr. Jr. I don't know. I'm not sure what it means. Perfect. Michael Harvey, Nikki Birchford, Birchfield jordan hall tina chris troy marshall jocelyn dolphin kendall pearl sebastian bracamantes brandy schloman dulce dulce hall sarah and dose dos that's dose right dose it's spanish too uh adam alexander tj savern uh kyle price brendan stratton joey c young autumn

versure karen parker holt robert with no last name stephanie aiken kaylin foley art knee what isaac that's it dan with no last name justin hofie for race for a c antley for assy for rachi hey it's probably not yeah maybe though it sounds good i gave it a fucking confidence possible way you can read it chris vail uh tyler bubser reese cordell john hett hyatt uh hyatt ben scarnich screnage rachel ray cole christy bob ann marie phillips nicholas tapkin john watson sean with no last name casey lock jessica draper roma shaw wyatt routson uh triana kinson devin ripley uh alexis cornell karate uh yvette with no last name gina craig seth lurd charlene paine sarah edgar mr asian to you uh Gwen Krause, Cameron Borick, Wendy Middleton of the obviously black and mild. Yeah, clearly.

Right. Mr. Asian to you. That's like a Yahoo screen name. Like caught on to catch a predator. Yeah. Carrie Ward, Aaron Graham, George Michael Reese Jr. Parker Satterfield, Alex Hayes, Hannah Cushing, Sarah Evers Stork, Melanie Flynn, Jane Burns, Ashley Barrett, Caitlin Dunn, Audrey Murphy, Brittany Baker, Jennifer Caraga, Christian Lindman, Trevor Kuralt, Ryan Willis, Sabrina Martinez, Wesley Coast, Tracy Madison, Paula, nope, that's Paul Powell.

I'm sorry, Paul. Stephanie Ewells, Caitlin Huffman, Bryant Sankerman, what is that, Sankerman? That's not right either. Cynthia with no last name. Other producers continuing are Hannah Weeks, Jamie Lynn Litton, Laura Lattner, Kelsey Moore, Keisha Tinsley, Adam, nope, that's Amy, Patterson, Cassandra Dodd, Tyler Bookie, Stormy Williams, you know, obviously, Molly Guisto, Brandy Miller, Zoe Coleman, George Santos, Angie O'Brien, yep, Angie O'Brien. That, Angie O'Brien.

Yeah. That's not a name. Angie Aubrey. Right. Jennifer Berger, Michelle Reese, Kennedy Morey. Imagine that was her name. What is it? She's like, it is.

It's Angie Aubrey. What the fuck? You don't know anything? How would he not know that? Wade Johnson, Kennedy Morey. I said that. Fiona Young, Cassie Hickey, Hilke. Hilke.

Renee, what? Toporef? Top Fiona Young. Cassie Hickey. Hilke. Hilke. Renee Toporeff. Toporeff. Yeah. Topoff? I don't know what I did. Markel Bagley. One of those. Ashley with no last name.

Patrick Burns. MJ. Tori Ingram. What is that? Baina? Dana Rudder. Todd Warnke. Sarah Knudsen.

Alina Lorenz. Lorenz. Deanna? Nope. Dina. Rod, rude, fuck, Amanda Nichols, Nichols, Brock with no last name, Cameron Grebe, Blue Valentine, Hannah Just, or Jost, I'm terrible with O's and U's, Amanda Hirsch, Simonetta George, Polka Slamus treist michelle barnes what is what is this chris sammons nope mary or oregon orton grin shit she'd like us to sign her michelle cores or michael cores oh no the purse holy show his wife also yeah his wife makes great handbags uh julianne pennington amanda hamilton megan johnson Johnson, Kristen, what is this, Lillibo, Felicia Colbeth, Ruth Fox, Dave Grodowski, Kelsey Turner, Frank Mihalik, Danielle with no last name, Jordan Craggs, Maura Matvey, Brian Ford, Bailey Young, Sarah Iloilo, Matthew Roberts, Karen withts karen with no last name d minus like my grade point average mark foster alissa alissa legherini uh david cornrow laura uh what is this arara stephanie kaiser amber with no last name jennifer webb nonnie or arnold ugo oh no you what the there's Arnold, Ugo Onoyota. There's no way I'm doing that right. Oniyo Kikua.

Sorry. Yeah. Ugo, I'm a piece of shit. I'm sorry. Angel Pippinich. Richard Rodarmer. David Dixon. Lan?

Ian. Fuck. Westcoft. Yep. Alicia O'Leary. Jace Kuhn. Emily Donaldson. Brian Bryant.

That is just not nice. Angie angie collins jade daniels jane rogers freddie jones kathlin or keith maybe could be keith probably i don't know yeah more common amina amina sally it's two s's that's why i did that uh colin and shannon brower uh jonathan Shannon Brower, Jonathan Wilder, Aaron Bolling, Doug Lewandowski, Jordan Rockefeller, Heidi Monin, Piper V, Noah Repond, Nicole Richardson, Nisa Eddings, Brian LeBeau, Quincy West, Caitlin Cameron, Austin Nearing, Tammy Anderson, Daniel Subtienti. Nice. Nicely done, Jimmy. See, I'm going to encourage you. I'm really not appreciating the patronization. Is that how it is? That's not even

a word, is it? Patronage. That's what it is. You are appreciated. I appreciate that. You know what I mean. Brent Graham, Ronnie Sparkle. That's not right. It's Sprouse. Frankie McCallick.

I said that. Holly Hattman. That's Ronnie Sparkle from now on. I'm sorry, Ronnie. Look at Ronnie Sparkle over here. Hey, Ronnie Sparkles. How you doing? Holly Hattman.

Steph with no last name. Petey Soto. Rebecca Pohl. Ivy Lopez. Andrew Wardrop. Thomas Smith. Jeremy Sterk. Malachi Biffle, Lisa Partica, Amy with no last name, Rebecca Rose, DeLuca with no last name, Ben Tawiti, I hope that's Jeff's boy, that'd be amazing, Jennifer Gooch, Lisa Grave Gingerich, Kiar with no last name, James Martyr, Cody Ennis, Blake Cox, Christy Clifford, Paula Petner, Ashley would know last name, Lisa Ward, Liz Vasquez, Nathan Kurfus, Jessica Teague, Katie Doherty, Alexis Murphy, Peyton Meadows, Monica, what the, Nawaka, no, Anna Lahazy, LaHale, I don't know what that is. No. Anna Lahazy?

Lahale? I don't know what that is. Michael Hurd? Latasha Campbell? Xavier Perry? Selena Schmitka? Melissa Atchison? Ross Sparks?

Cameron Kuchwara? Isabel with no last name? Jessica Walker? Lisa Marie Jacobs? Mandy Knight? Jade Abuchin? Abuchin. Abuchin! That's what they say in Street Fighter.

Fucking Ryu. Abuchin! What do we got here? Gavin King, Kieron, Lee Christy Loafer, Tara Krogan, Jennifer Nipps Stevens. What? It's because we said Jennifer's could go by Nipps. That's right. That's what that is. I got it.

That was a deep cut. Nice job. She went hard. Good for you, Chad. Damn. Love it. Madison with no last name. Madison with no last name. Kim with no last name.

Marianne McMillan. Joey Piaschek. What? Dakota Harrington. Sarah Crawford. Brenda Jacquet. Aaron V. Tamarin and Damian.

Tara. Tara. What? That is too many A's and three names. Annette Betteridge. Nicholas Kalsatz, Destiny Jones, Tamara Nelson, Ben Story, Bob Vickers, Laura Goff, Stephanie Peterson, Amanda Gillis, Goatee Day, what? You put a one in here and you want me to, how dare you? You can't mix numbers in there.

It throws them all off. L1 UVA. That sounds gross. Joke with no last name, which is great. Lillian Hempel Esposito. Scott Osborne. Sarah Surridge. Happy birthday, Stacey Rae Boardman.

Janice Hill. Courtney Booker. Nick and Natasha Lukich. Mona McClain. Happy anniversary, obviously. Cricket and Leiden. Hilliard, obviously. I don't know why that's obvious.

Janice Hill, happy birthday, Kaylee. Jesus Christ, get your shit together. Obviously. David Braden, Fabian Brosens, Brojans. I think that's a J. It's probably not. I'm ruining everything all day. Mona McCain, Aaron Holiday, Delia hunt uh wub what wubdies

you wubdies uh sarah g austin strickland nancy doll rice melstober muso shea died he was a pup and uh uh ryanette godzook is fucking broke up about it i I'm really sorry about that. Hang in there. Katie Delisante wrote a nice email. Kristen Solosinski, Tiffany Capozzi, James Graben, I think, Melanie Flynn, Calvin Jones. I think I said David Brigham. Home stretch, God damn it. Unique consultant, Peter Croft, Courtney Marshall, Hannah Simmons, Ashley Veo, Spencer Ludman, Theo Vaughn's mullet, and Ray Portillo had a birthday last month, and I fucking blew it and missed it. Also, John Harris.

I had a beer with him up in Indianapolis. He had a birthday, and his wife wanted me to remind him that he had a birthday. I think that's it. Let me make sure I got one last note. And, yep, that's it. Cody and Casey had an anniversary. The Ennises, congratulations. Happy anniversary.

Thank you all for everything you do. Thank you, truly. Thank you, everybody, from the bottom of our hearts. Seriously, we mean it, and we cannot do this without you. Thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do for us. And we just, it really means a lot to us to make those Patreon episodes, something special and something really funny. We don't just,

you know, mail it in. We're phoning it in. We're seriously looking to make those. Those are the most fun to put together because there's no kind of pressure of murder. And it's just like this fun comedy show, basically.

So giving you something back, giving you something back. So thank you for everything that you've given to us.immy what if they wanted to give you something like some shit how could they do that oh you can oh happy birthday zach allen sorry about that zach happy birthday thank you uh you know just thank you guys for uh reaching out so much this past week last week i talked about having all kind of issues uh and and so many people wrote giving uh advice about how to sleep it didn't work uh but i'll keep you posted unsolicited medical advice i did talk to my mom and try to get to the bottom and the root of all this issues uh and the problems that i have

but i'll keep you posted on that progress as well so thank you and thank you you've found me so you don't need to know uh but thank you where can they find you we're out you fucking know where to find us that's all good do that keep coming back every week thank you. Where can they find you? We're out. You fucking know where to find us. That's all good. Do that. Keep coming back every week. Thank you guys so much for everything you've done for us. We're nearing 200 episodes. Unbelievable.

That's because of you guys. Thanks for everything. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.