Small Town Murder - #193 - A Stalking From Within in Darby, Montana

Episode Date: October 15, 2020

This week, in Darby, Montana, a twisted plot, and two year long fear campaign end in a vicious murder, that shocks everyone around. The problem is, things aren't what they seem, or what anybody thinks. When the truth comes out, it is almost met with disbelief at exactly how disturbed a person would have to be, to do what this person did. Seriously crazy murder plan here! Along the way, we find out that women fight while balancing on logs in Montana, that sometimes you can't even believe a two year campaign of terror, and that however cold you thought a person could be... not even close! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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been in a long time here we are going all the way to montana it's been a long ass time uh darby montana to be in particular which i have never heard of no me neither didn't know that existed that was my grandparents old roommate though darby or montana she was as big as montana but her name was darby she's a big lady i nicknamed her darby montana because she as big as Montana, but her name was Darby. She's a big lady. I nicknamed her Darby Montana because she's as big as all the town. All the whole town. This is on the western border of Montana. Like the county it's in sticks out like its own little panhandle.

It's smooth, and then this little jutted thing sticks out here. It's about an hour and 15 minutes to Missoula. If you want to go to a mid-'t know, a mid-sized small town. The metropolis of Montana. About four hours to Spokane, Washington. It's actually closer to Spokane than it is to stuff on the other side of the state, like Billings and all that. So it's interesting.

And about five hours to Stanford, Montana, which was our last episode, episode 86 in September of 2018. A double-digit show. It's been two years since we've handled Montana. People have requested and requested. And just some of the less populated states tend to just get a little less listens because people aren't from there. They've never been there.

I don't know why the hell that would matter. Either way, it wouldn't matter to me at all. But in any of these places. I just want to hear a crazy story it doesn't matter but uh so we've kind of avoided montana but we're back now this is in ravale county and just my brain makes it look like ravioli county and my so i just want to say it's ravioli county montana which would make me so happy i want to live in ravioli county don't you no matter where it is no matter where just i live in ravioli county i feel like i would feel just like a good full you know all the time you want to sit back with a glass of wine smoke a cigarette even if you don't smoke because you're just full and you've had sauce and cheese even before you've eaten yeah you're just

like hold on let me have my before meal smoke ravi, ravioli. You got to have like a sambuca afterwards to relax. So the area code here, 406. It's a tiny, tiny little town. It's one of these little tiny town centers and then a bunch of big spread out ranches out there. So the town is only 0.63 square miles. The motto here for this town, I got to give it to them it's honest yeah sometimes you know sometimes it's really fluffy and sometimes it's just bullshit marketing yeah this is pretty honest uh quote even we don't know why the fuck we're out here that's pretty honest i gotta give it to

you know or you could just say you know there's not enough of us to even have a motto what do we care i mean if you if you if they had a motto and they like put it on the side of the freeway uh for the exits uh one could say you're almost and then the next one could say you just missed it you just and it's gone and next sign dot dot dot dot dot you missed it fucking gone four. Four signs. We're already out. And you're out. That's it. See those ranches?

Yeah. Well, there you go. So the name of the town. Welcome to come back again. Yeah. That's funny. The word Darby, I guess, is Salish. It's some sort of native language.

Oh, okay. Got it. The is Salish. It's some sort of like native language from. Oh, OK. Got it. In that language, it means place where they would lift something. Either that or they call it. I don't know. That makes a lot of sense. They call it Salish. I'm not sure.

My grandparents roommate's name was Darby. They would need to lift her. Well, I was going to say that it would be hard to lift her. Yeah. A place where we need to lift. Well, for her, that would be like, what, a car lift? I don't know. I feel bad.

I don't know this woman. And you know what? I don't feel bad making fun of this woman. I feel bad, too, but I kind of don't. How long ago was this? 30 years. She was a bitch, man. She was so mean.

Oh, okay. She was so mean to me. I get it. I remember being like eight, being like, why do they have this fat bitch living down there? See, that's one thing. She's so mean. When you're a child and an adult is mean, whatever physical attribute they have, that's a bad physical attribute.

She could have been gorgeous and you're like, look at her in her tits. What a bitch. You know what I mean? You would have still hated her. It wouldn't have mattered. You would have, you know? She was just a salty bitch. You know what I mean? You would have still hated her. It wouldn't have mattered. You would have, you know? She was just a salty bitch. You know what?

I hate blondes with big boobs. That's what you would have for the rest of your life. I just hate them. I still like them. So not that you're against overweight people. But she lived in the basement that was finished. It was beautiful. And whenever I'd stay there, they'd have me go down and stay in the basement in the second bedroom.

And she'd be down there. I'd be watching TV. And she'd just be bitching. Turn that down. Turn it off. And I'm like, I'm nine, bitch. Shut up. Leave me alone.

I'm watching Hulk Hogan body slam somebody. You're 45. You live with my grandparents. In a basement. What are you doing? Yeah. You don't belong here. Figure it out.

You're not their child. They're my grandparents, not yours. You're not their child. Do you get that? Jesus. grandparents not yours you're not their child do you get that jesus so uh from the website here it says this is their pitch yeah from the which by the way it says darby on the website it's like the most standard brand somebody went on the most basic website building site and we're like i did it it says down town of darby official website on the top it's not even caring uh located in the

spectacular bitter root mountains of western montana spectacular yeah the top it's not even caring uh located in the spectacular bitter root mountains of western montana spectacular yeah the town of it is a beautiful like if you like that big open space shit i can't stand that shit but if you're into that i feel claustrophobic the more open everything is i'm like it's just too much kind of a panic too like holy shit there's just too much of it it's like if you're in the middle of the ocean it feels the same way like you can't see land it's open water there's just too much of it it's like if you're in the middle of the ocean it feels the same way like and you can't see land it's open water there's just too much of it i feel the same way in montana water with open land i'm gonna drown out here like if there was an earthquake and a crack open and i fell in it no one would notice there's no one around i'd just die in a coal in

the earth it's too much air i can't breathe it's too much too much air i can't see with all the sky it's just too much yeah can't take it it's weird too when things are wide open like that for me because i can't you can see a storm coming you know yeah for miles forever away it's weird it's ominous and shit no it's bizarre screw that so darby hosts a national sporting competitions while supporting top resorts locally unique shopping dining and manufacturing businesses along with an excellent school district you can easily call darby home yeah it's mostly a tourist town by the way of course it's kind of like uh it seems like it's got the same vibe as like for the non-ranchers for the people who are like buying houses from the outside it's almost like an aspen type of thing

not that they're skiing but it's like or like wyoming yeah for people to get away yeah there's towns in wyoming like that where you can go like some ceo can like go play rancher for the fucking weekend because he bought 200 acres you know what i mean listen i have horses out there you know david letterman goes to montana that's what i mean it's what yeah it's where the rich fucks go and they're like i rough it i'm a cowboy you know yeah i have a 14 million dollar estate i go out there to rough it sure there's 30 people here to wipe my ass and make sure i don't get my fucking rattlesnakes i mean if the horse is dirty they'll like clean it off before i get on it i don't want to get all dusty and shit don't get me wrong but still i'm not feeding the fucking

thing yeah it's endless recreational opportunities for outdoor enthusiasts darby offers you and your family all of you uh a part of the west that will never that you will never forget hope to see you soon so it's uh it's first settled in 1882 it's the valley's southernmost town here uh it was originally called something way more ridiculous than darby's a fine name for a town do little that was the name of the town you can't call your town do little yeah d-o-o-2 like doctor not yeah it's not good no who's going to do little montana that sounds fucking you have to take like a turnip truck there it sounds like that's really silly then they change the name to harrison okay so they were like all right harrison that's a lot of towns named harrison that's a good strong name but then they realized it was already a town in montana named harrison there's a bunch of confusion with the mail it was

a disaster you don't look yeah so then the local postmaster james darby sent his name in oh and was like just call it f name it darby who cares yeah yeah well there was like nobody there so it's like it doesn't matter we're going through a lot of shit for for what the name of this tiny little building that letters are going to come in and out of you're going to get your bills from it's hilarious that they they didn't even check to see if there's another town in the state they just nailed up harrison up there fucking president there's one nobody's naming it after that they thought of washington they were like come on no gotta get down the list of presidents to get to harrison there's probably not one now right he didn't last long so the name

was accepted and it was fine so at the time the town had a general store a saloon a stable and a boarding house so it was your typical yeah like movie old west town with the wooden planks and all that shit the town grew at times and they got a bank and a drugstore and a newspaper and a theater and all this type of shit so it became like somewhere that you could live and not be you know yeah out on the on an island so the uh big thing happened fire happened in 1910 yeah and destroyed everything just everything here fucking gutted things it says here that i found a newspaper account of it and it says that uh let's see here where is it okay a holocaust of wildfire they called it holocaust wow destroyed more than three million acres of forest and burned four towns.

Fuck. They're close with the number. Wow. The effects are still being felt. On August 20th, winds of Hurricane Force swept out of the Snake River Plains to fan to life an estimated 1730 smoldering fires in Montana, northern idaho and eastern washington holy shit almost 2 000 fires from one from from the snake river well yeah the winds came and swept it uh 85 people died unbelievable were taken by the flames because it happened so fast they couldn't get away

they just got oh you know like a flood it was like a flood of fire that's terrifying it's fucking terrifying that's why the west is terrifying here so a bunch of fire. That's terrifying. It's fucking terrifying. That's why the West is terrifying here. So a bunch of towns got destroyed. Wallace, Idaho, and then a bunch of Haugen, Taft, a bunch of other towns in Montana, totally destroyed. So that's not great, obviously. It ended up switching to kind of logging and cattle ranching and agriculture after a while became the main deal here. Let's see. Darby had the first all-woman council in the

state in 1930 awesome yeah 1930 that happened so that's pretty yeah it's pretty ahead of its time there a little bit you know not bad good for them 1917 darby became incorporated they elected a blacksmith their first mayor they got electricity in 1932 a little late to the game on that fellow so yeah wow i mean they had to run it out there but holy shit 1932 that's using candlelight for a long time by 1920 if we don't have lights i'm moving i'm sorry like i get that it was the west we had to wait a while but there's people dancing the charleston and fucking like drinking all night and you know partying and no what year did the titanic go down i'm living like it's the postman for christ's sake 1912 1914 and it had electricity on a fucking boat on a boat

there's electricity everywhere by 1932 everybody has electricity this is bonkers for it to not have electricity and they got a water system in 1959 jesus christ didn't get a they got sewage in a sanitary lagoon in 1963 gross that sounds like the most disgusting that's a leeching field it's a shit pit yeah it sounds absolutely hideous hideous i hope that is so far from town i'm fucking grossed out already you know you can smell that there's a trench because there's no tubes back then right no it was a goddamn pit and i'm sure they had some kind of i don't know just go throw the bucket in shit in the hole just shit in the hole and save save us all some time all a walk jesus christ just walk on over shit into the hole directly so dump the damn bucket you lazy motherfuckers so uh the film disorganized Crime was filmed here.

Have I seen that? You have seen it, I'm sure. Who's in it? 1989. It's a 1989 comedy, so I know you've seen it. Judge Reinhold? No. It is.

Fred Gwynn, who is Herman Munster, obviously. Lou Diamond Phillips. I definitely saw this. Lou Diamond Phillips, Oklahoma. Corbin Bernson. Ed O'Neill. I definitely saw this. Daniel Roebuck and hoyt uh axton

oh my god i got it i'm gonna re-watch it yeah it's not a good movie but it's one of those movies we would have seen as kids because it's got a bunch of people we recognize and it's silly kind of funny and they would have put it in the theaters with all those people in it it was yeah it was had like a marketing campaign and all that oh it had commercials definitely i remember the commercials uh poor reception by critics siskel and ebert gave it two thumbs down okay not great uh they said lack of detail given to the heist plan that's never going to work in a heist movie it's a comedy you can't you can't review this in the same caliber as you're reviewing the godfather oceans 11 it's fucking you know what i mean it's a clowny ass goofball movie stupid they also said

that it relies on slapstick and cornball barnyard humor. Sounds great. When we were 10, that would have been, this is beautiful. Perfect. Frequency of chase scenes and moments where characters fall in mud and manure. Sounds pretty funny. I just smiled and you laughed when I said that. So that shows where we're at.

They said it with like disdain. Yeah. And I'm like, great. I said, said no that sounds great i want to see people fall in manure i want to see a really angry guy then slip and fall in manure that's hilarious i want to see a chase scene and somebody ends up in shit yeah on a chase scene and somebody falls in mud end of the chase the chase is over because someone got stuck in manure right that's what we want all of it and also yellowstone is filmed there uh that's a

newer series created it's kevin cosner's in it oh it sounds boring as shit yeah follows the dutton family led by don john dutton john dutton who controls the largest contiguous ranch in the united states under constant attack by those at borders what's with him with those kind of movies now he loves he's obsessed with that now he did dances with wolves on oscars for 30 years ago he's a he's obsessed with the west after that he did other things yeah but he's always back to this bullshit he's always obsessed with the west man yeah he's always obsessed with the west the postman is wonderful by the way it's the worst it's the best bad movie ever it's i've seen it a hundred times it's the best bad movie ever he has a southern accent in the beginning and then it

goes away and he's got it in a couple of scenes his daughter wants to like his real life biological daughter from real life wants to fuck him in the movie the hell kind of shit is that it's ridiculous i just don't understand his his infatuation with just he wants to always have just just enough dust on him yeah just to make it so he wants to have a duster right he'd like to you know have a hat accessible not on all the time i get it i know it now he was in water world and he was like i'm never doing anything with water ever again i want it dry every day always always so i have a couple reviews here three stars one. Cute little town that looks like a perfect tourist area. This is exactly kind of Old West.

This is the Old West, and they just keep it like that. Fantastic candy store, too. Some areas look nice to live in. Unfortunately, the majority of the town could use an update as it looks a little run down. Yeah, I'm sure it is. It's all covered in dust, too. Darby is located at the very south end of the Bitterroot Valley. Here's another one.

This is five stars up against the beautiful mountains. There are activities to do year round. There is not a large selection of restaurants and bars, but everyone is very friendly. Okay, great. The mayor probably wrote that. They're thrilled to have you there. They're happy as shit to have you. People in this town population 653.

Holy shit. It's a small and it's remote too so it's not like that and then there's a town next to it right it's just this and then nothing for a long time so it is remote it's up five percent since 1990 more females than males which five five percent that's the lowest we've ever had yeah it's not much 1990 there was 625 people yeah so not not too much have we had them where it was like down yeah we've had down we've had reductions like that's the lowest in in yeah just yeah it's just kind of stayed steady more more females is weird because it's a like a usually in like the ranching logging towns it'll be more male but not not here so uh also because there's old people so they you outlive us women are going to outlive us especially outlive people who have been

ranching for fucking 50 years that's you you're not going to live to be 90 most of the time there are very few uh loggers uh the brawny man looks great because he died young well he's he's only he's only 17 years old the brawny man he looks like he's you know good 38 39 but he's only 17 years old, the Ronnie man. He looks like he's a good 38, 39, but he's only 17. He died four years later. Yeah, he's done. He's spent. The median age here is 48.1, so it's a little older. All the above 45 years old demographics are high.

There's like no kids here. All the kid demographics are low. Not none, but there's way less than normal. Less married people here than normal. The household sizes are smaller. A couple people hanging out, looking at the expanses, it sounds like. Single with no children is higher. All that shit.

Race of this town, shockingly, 87.6% white. 0.0% black. Not a one. Not a one in the group here. Nary an Asian to be found either 0.0 percent asian uh so there's that 1.8 percent hispanic and you got 5.4 percent native american which is way higher than normal because you know this belonged to completely this was kind of what where they were hanging out at the time so uh 29.3 percent of the people here are religious

hanging out at the time so uh 29.3 of the people here are religious and it's just a mix-up of you come out this that's too much sky for a god you know what i mean you come out here because not even a cloud for him to sit on nothing not a cloudy how's he gonna how's he gonna rain thunder upon the damned and the wicked if there ain't a cloud to rain thunder from you know i'm saying how you gonna do that i don't believe it for a minute this is like you move here when you've lost faith in everything or you move there and you go i am a god or you are yeah you've lost faith in society a deity you know you're everything that you hold you've lost faith in and you've come to here this is fascinating it's really weird here 0.0 percent jewish obviously 0.0 percent muslim as you might expect in this it's not a right a lot of uh jewish montana ranchers going

on at the moment no politics until 2021 as we said we're not going to mention that uh unemployment rate here is low it's like three percent but i mean it's your kind of most people work on their ranches and shit so it's not a not like that household income though is also very low because the other jobs are all retail and retail trade and tourist shit and you know you work in a knickknack store selling people you know magnets and bookmarks yeah as i say a magnet with like buffalo horns on it like look at that there you go put that on your fridge the same montana yeah I've been to fucking Darby and survived the fire hurricane holocaust. It's perfect.

License plates without my name. You know, $28,203 is the median household income, which is less than half of your normal. Normal, it's $57,652, so way less. 25% of the households make under $15 a year oh how do you what that is yeah is it do they if you they give you a free house if you don't own land yeah there's not a lot you can really do i would say you're to make money that's the thing you got to get out of there 54 of the households make 30 000 or under oh my that's a shitload do they do we just not know that they're up there they're just you know they they work in like i said they're making you know minimum wage yeah

selling trinkets to tourists and shit some people are waiting tables and start etsy's and shit do they need to do something yeah some shit so some i don't know western blog or something i don't know what the hell you people start a youtube people are going of just like a webcam aimed out the window that's all look how big it is isn't it pretty watch the sun just point it at the west eventually the sun will set people want to watch that you know that'll be pretty over the check in tomorrow y'all there you go sun will be up i think if the sun comes up boy it'll set that's how it works every time so if it is i'll be filming it thank you for tuning in now uh i'm not even gonna sign off i'm'm just going to go to bed. It's all good.

Cost of living here, 100 is average par. Here it's 82, and the housing is low, but this is what the value is. But none of the houses for sale are of this cost. All the houses for sale are way fucking expensive. They're asking for money. Yeah. The median home cost is $14 is 146 100 which is very low but as we'll find out in the darby montana real estate report yeah

we'll find out here once we're in the report that a two-bedroom rental says is $769, but there's no rentals that I can find really available except for like nightly touristy Airbnb type shit. And then there's a, I found the house is two-bedroom, one bath, 1,716 square feet. It looks like kind of like a rental cabin, like if you went to a lake on vacation. But it's not like a log cabin. It just looks like a structure in the woods. It's on eight acres, $325,000. My Christ.

For that, though. It's not a lot of house. That's too much. I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,632 square feet here. This one is a literal log cabin. It's got the logs on the outside it's uh on 33 acres okay so that's nice 625 000 though they think that david letterman made this place a destination well the houses aren't worth shit if you have no land but the houses with land

like outside of the town are they have a ton of land so they're expensive the house is nothing it's the land it's the land well this one's nice i found a three bedroom three bath 3398 square foot it looks like a castle really it's it's stone it's not like a ranch it's got like sand turrets on oh it looks like a fucking castle it's on a cliffside overlooking a lake it's like the american the redneck version of gore vidal's house look up gore vidal's house and you'll see it's the redneck version of Gore Vidal's house. Look up Gore Vidal's house, and you'll see it's the redneck version of that, basically, overlooking the lake. It's stone, 12 acres, $780,000. Holy.

And they increased the price $230,000 in August. What? They were going to sell it for $500,000? You know what? I'll bet they got a bunch of offers, and they were like, take it off the market. That or, you know, since fucking with COVID and everything, people are moving to the middle of nowhere. That might have been a more, it might have had a surge of real.

There's only, there's not, there's like 10 houses available in the whole town. So yeah, but it seems like it seems like the rich get richer. And when the rich get richer, everything that the rich can afford, those prices go up. Oh, they go up big time. And that's what, that's what's happening there now things to do here logger days we don't have a ton of time to talk about it which sucks because it's fucking hilarious let's see this is one of the events jimmy look at this shit jimmy oh i mean this is two redneck women yeah on a log yeah standing on a log above water beating the shit out of each other they each have one glove on yeah one has the right they each have a right glove on but

then the right gloves backwards on the one they have a set of gloves they gave one the real one gave one a backwards glove gave her a left and just flipped it over punching each other right in the face but the gretchen wilson there has her has her fist cocked oh yeah and it's bare the other one's got her hand like she's trying to keep her balanced look at this guy he loves there's just this fat like rancher looking guy hands clasped sitting on the ground with an ear to ear toothy smile just like this is the greatest thing i could watch this i could die right now she was a little asshole margaret gets a lawn chair she's getting her what for oh my god it is fucking hilarious they're both landing a pretty good shot yeah it's why i'll put it i'll

post that picture don't worry uh the family events here they have a hot saw demonstration kids choker races i don't like the sound of that no i'm gonna choke you little bastard let's see who's the fastest when they're running in fear when they're in fear for their life i want to know which child's the fastest whoever loses gets choked uh tug of war boxing over water competitions i believe that's that i wouldn't call that boxing no adults compete in a chainsaw toss no what how many arms are left on the ground at the end of logger days a skillet toss a loader contest and a ma and pa race how do you get old in this state wow everything's just an opportunity to die. It's wild, man. Also, the Whitney Banks will be playing, and Kimberly Dunn, and David Lee.

Murphy. Yeah. Now, there's a few rules. It says, quote, absolutely no dogs, coolers, or outside beverages. With all those chainsaws around, I guess you don't want the dogs running around anyway. But unfortunately, it was the last year of it in 2019. It's discontinued. Forever.

They're going to try to figure out a new incarnation of it, but not enough loggers around anymore, they said, literally. And then they also have the Twisted Nut Festival. What did they do? It's a rodeo to benefit testicular cancer. So I was like, yeah, Twisted Nut. Why would they do that's a rodeo to benefit testicular cancer so i was like yeah twisted nut all right fine why would they do that i can't it's not even like a pun on cancer how can we make it sound like twisted nuts are really suffering which is the activity where you're bashing and nuts into a fucking giant mammal so it's the weirdest thing they are twisted from doing that maybe you wouldn't have so much cancer if you weren't bashing them constantly into the back of the back of a horse not saying that that's causes it but

it can't help can't help it's certainly not fixing it's not fixing it crime rate in this town doctor never says i'm so sorry you have testicular cancer jump on the back of old brutus and we'll knock it right out of there we'll knock those tumors right off. Property crime in this town. Crime rate here. Property crime right at average. So normal, which you wouldn't think. It's such a small town, but it's touristy. Now violent crime, murder, rape,

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Just the last 200 years or so has been a little shaky in this country. No, I'm just kidding. Anyway, 2000s, mid-2000s, we have a couple of people we'll talk about here. We'll talk about Bill and Ann. Bill and Ann are a married couple. Bill and Ann Stout and their daughter, Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout, who would not take the garbage out. No, that's a, that's a, didn't you ever read Where the Sidewalk Ends to your fucking kids? No.

Jesus Christ. I don't read books. Oh, that's just, sorry. My daughter used to make me read Every Single Night Where the Sidewalk Ends, Madison, I'd read to her, and it was, you know, it was fun. And one of her favorites was Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout. Oh, okay. And we'd have to read that over and over, and she would not take the garbage out.

Shout out to you, Madison, because I was just frustrated that they just named this poor girl that. The look on Jimmy's face was like, why would you do that to your kid, Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout? No, Shel Silverstein did that to a little animated. Mythological character. Yeah, a little stick figure child. Not stick figure, but a simply drawn child. So Bill here is born in 1957, and Anne is born in 1964. So a little bit of an age difference, but nothing too much.

That's fine for couples. That's within the range. So Bill, he's born in uh i'm sorry bill was born 1955 i say 57 i think he did the hell i was thinking there so he was born february 28th 1955 he uh was from san jose california originally he's uh he is the only child he's an only child back then and he ended up moving to he grew up like went to high school in arkansas so somehow the family ended up in arkansas at some point and then he ends up in montana okay well a lot of people are still in arkansas and all that sort of thing so uh he meets ann whom we'll talk about in

a second here they end up living in Darby, Montana. They will have three sons. One is Ann's from a previous marriage and Bill will adopt him and take him as his own and everything. His name is Ben. They have Matthew and Noah as well, so three sons. Some biblical names

going on there. Hardcore. They have a 20-acre ranch at 266 Trapper Meadow road and darby he's killing it not bad yeah and he's a sheet rocker really he's a third generation sheet rocker apparently but his dad and his dad before him was a sheet rocker as well yeah apparently it's uh didn't used to be a meth trade no it didn't used to be a meth she used to be like a very professional thing yeah i think too it's one of those things like old-timey plaster guys like if you were good at that that was a that was a you can see a a meth wall versus an actual sheet rockers wall yeah if you see one done right you

go oh wow what the fuck yeah and seeing it all trimmed right exactly and if they're building a lot of these fancy houses for your david letter's at this point in time. So I think maybe this is a good thing. A fancy house. And if you have to have a good sheet rocker here, the house that they have, it's a single story dwelling here, but it's pretty big. It's a big like it's a ranch style house. So it's long and whatever on 20 acres there. It's got, you know, it's a nice looking house. Partial basement attached garage. Big gone fishing sign on the door.

You know what I mean? Oh, man. Yeah, they're cool here. Their cars, they have a red 2000 Ford truck and a 1995 Chevy Suburban and a horse trailer also. So, you know, they're doing fine. They're not living above their means or anything like that they're they're fine here all that shit's still mad expensive it's yeah that's what i mean and to keep a ranch is expensive to run too so it's it's a lot now bill's into horseback

riding fishing hunting loves taking the horses out that's his favorite thing like likes like going and driving them on a thing i don't know what the cowboys do but he does stuff like that whatever people do out there with a hat on it is a lot of fun whatever honest with you whatever kevin cosner fantasizes about doing while he sits in his mansion that somebody set on fire whatever letterman's thinking of doing while he uh leads some guests down the pathway to plug some fucking product on his shelf. Yeah, yeah. And he's just dreaming about the buffalo out on the ranch.

Jesus Christ. Going to go back to Ride Trigger? No, you know it. Now, she's also from California, Ann. They didn't meet in California, but she's also just coincidentally from California. She's from a bigger household. She's from a family of five brothers and sisters. So, you know know different like that uh after the age of four apparently her father took off and she has not had no relationship with him whatsoever i feel you so yeah that's that's not great you

know obviously um when they ended up getting married in 1986 bill and ann and in montana they already lived there like i said she already had a child named Ben. And right away, Bill is totally up for adopting the child. And Bill seems like a good guy when it comes to this shit. Nothing really happened in the very uneventful marriage. I mean, no, nothing major. No one ever got arrested. The cops never have to come.

There's no affairs. There's no craziness for about the first 15 years of their marriage it's pretty calm uh 2000 though they have a major tragedy that these tragedies even if they're nobody's fault it's hard for couples to go on with you know what i'm saying 2000 over winter break there's ben her son from the previous marriage there was a freshman in college and he committed suicide oh no over winter break so that was a yeah that crushed them both because i mean bill took him out as he was his son i mean there wasn't any my stepson or any of that shit he was his son so it absolutely you know it was hard on them like i said this is something that's just it's tragic

and it happens and uh people whether it's right or wrong your brain tries to uh make sense of it and you blame somebody you blame a thing what about when he was 14 and you said this to him and you know you're trying to do something and it's terribly destructive it was when it was it was it happens it was winter break so he was at home when he did it? He was out of school. He wasn't on their property. He was out of school, and he came back there and committed suicide somewhere else. And so, yeah, it's brutal, and it was a hard thing. All the friends said it caused kind of a fracture in their relationship a little bit.

For a time, they were really on kind of— Of course. Who wouldn't be? That's brutal. Like I said, i don't know how no matter even if you go to therapy and all that your brain is still has to process that shit and that's something like that a 19 year old kid committing suicide that's impossible to fucking process and it's going to destroy your whole entire and a guy from 55 from 1955 and he moved

across the country twice yeah at least yeah he's a guy that's uh uh you do it by yourself you make it on his mountain man yeah everybody says he's a mountain man he goes he's a rancher and a trapper and shit i mean he's a he doesn't understand that kid's training no he doesn't at all he's a rugged guy and he he blamed and for the suicide a lot he blamed her um for it for whatever reason i mean like i said who knows what little thing made him think that who knows like i said they might have gotten to a fight a month before and she said something to him that bill thought was over the line we have no idea i'm not gonna you know speculate on it but uh bill blamed her and they began to fight a lot at that point. So that was brutal.

Now, Anne would say that, quote, what happened to Ben really affected us all. I dealt with it differently than Bill and our other two sons, Matt and Noah, dealt with it differently from us. But we got through it, and I thought we were a strong, happy family. So after a couple years, like I said, that's never going to go away. That's a wound that's never going to heal. There's, like I said, that's never going to go away. That's a wound that's never going to heal, but the inflammation will calm down after a while, and you can kind of live your life and go hours without thinking about it maybe by that point. But I would think the first couple of years, I don't know how you could go minutes without thinking about it. It would be destroy your brain. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So 2004, now they have, you know, there's a ranch and a he's got his own. He's got a business and there's a ranch and there's kids and everything like that. So Bill does a very responsible thing and takes out a life insurance policy on himself. $500,000. Everybody's taken care of in case he's he's he's out ranching. I mean, he could be mangled by a he could be stampeded out there at any moment and thrown off a horse you never know that alone anything horse rears up yeah it's i mean anything could happen so it's a smart thing if you're going to be and sheet rocking and i don't

know anything could happen he does a lot that's enough he does a lot that's dangerous yeah he could be drowned out in the on a boat somewhere some meth-y sheet rocker next to him could not like steps on a nail gun and it goes through his face? It could happen. Anything is possible with meth and sheet rock. That's something to think about, always. Keep that in mind, meth-ies. Yeah, whenever you're redoing your house,

think, anything is possible with meth and sheet rock. Watch who's in my house, because anything can happen. It's bad stuff. Bad. Throw a nail through an electric wire or something? Throw a nail through a sheet rocker. Through a sheet rocker with two kids.

Right. So the policy does include a clause that would, now I don't know if he put this in or if this was a, I think this is probably the insurance company assuring against this. The clause disallows payment

should Bill commit suicide in the first two years of the policy okay which makes sense because that way you wouldn't get that way you can't get a policy knowing you're going to kill yourself just so your family will pay off that's probably insurance companies have seen that trick once or twice you think so i don't like what's going on everything's going bad i'm about to lose my business i know i'll get a big insurance policy and then off myself and the wife and kids will be fine. Like, people have those thoughts.

So I get it. There's probably one of those for, like, prisoners that tried to get life insurance policies, too. Can they get one? A prisoner? That's got to be a high rate, I would imagine.

That would have to be like you work on a crab boat and you're in a prison. Yeah. It feels like Epstein would have had one. Yeah, there's lousy medical care. So right away, like, in Phoenix here, you could feels like epstein would have had one yeah there's lousy medical care so right away like in phoenix here you know in arizona people die from infections from spider bites because they're not allowed to see the doctors here because they go oh that's not a that's not something we give insect yeah we don't give they don't give medical attention for insect

bites here they say about that even though we have tons of poisonous things growing awake at night yes stay awake at night for the brown recluses black widows and scorpions giant scorpion yeah that if you're allergic to good luck because you're gonna swell up like a fucking ridiculous dude it's ridiculous here so uh anyway this period of the two years of non-suicide payout it starts in january 2005 okay so he can off himself in february 2007 and it's a full payout. That's how that works, I guess. I don't know. I guess they figure by then maybe you'll come out of it.

Yeah. Maybe you've rethought. You're not as sad anymore. Maybe you've sought therapy. Yeah. And also, two years is about how long it takes to rebuild a life after a devastating loss. That's the other thing. Who knows if something bad is happening?

Well, they're thinking two years. Let's say he's losing his business well you know the first year he's definitely going to want to kill himself but then he gets another job yeah and he starts moving up the ladder and by two years he's going you know what i can pay my bills and the bills are cleared up you got that credit consolidated now i got the debt relief program it's going to be okay life's pretty easy to come out of it here i think i'm going to make it so we're not uh making light of depression or suicidal shit we're doing that because we both suffer yeah exactly so for us we're like hey we get it dude it's a little dark that's what it literally took me two years from the divorce with the with the

financial situation oh god yeah to get back to yeah above board and it it's so hard i've gone through several zombie periods of my life like literally like why am i doing it years where i don't even remember a lot of it because i was in a fucking haze after you know close friends died when things like that just destroyed me and yeah it's bad stuff so anyway uh 2005 comes along yes so this bill has just got his life insurance policy. The marriage is marriage is back on track. Thank God. Everybody's happy.

They have two sons. Their son, Matt, by the way, turns out to be a pretty good athlete. It looks like from what I found, he does track and field shit in high school. And he's also a wide receiver on the football team. Awesome. From what I find here. He starts high school in 2005. So you have one kid starting high school.

The other one is starting college soon. They start college in like 2007. So one kid starting high school, one kid at the end of high school. That was Luke? Noah. Noah. Noah's the older, Matt's the younger. It's another, yeah.

Somebody with an arc or some shit i don't know so uh early 2005 bill gets an invitation to the wedding of an old high school friend and it's in arkansas so like he um you know he saw and he saw that like a bunch of his friends were going to be there like high school friends old friends and he was like wow oh it's kind of fun you know and rise to a reunion at a wedding people of these of that generation love it they love it yeah let me get together and talk about it oh shit i got a nice ranch and stuff nice family i'm nothing to be embarrassed about about it's the first thing you think when you get that is do i have anything to be embarrassed about do i not want to tell them about what do

i have to lie about ranch what do i got that's impressive no this isn't bad yeah i'm all right picture of the ranch it looks pretty look at that sunset let me show you this let me show you this instagram feed of a let me log into this youtube it's pretty good stuff somebody that's right now ongoing story yeah so he goes there and he's happy about it he's talking about it um he says you know dan let's go let's go to this wedding and doesn't really want to go she's not into it she doesn't really know his high school friends and she doesn't want to be a third wheel or whatever she doesn't want to go while he's in a big group of his high school friends and they're standing off to the side right which i get i mean you still you gotta escort your your mate to something like that yeah i don't know i get it yeah i don't i don't know i'm kind of 50 50 on it because i can see like somebody being like i don't really want

somebody else there because i want to just talk to people and not have to feel like i have to include them but at the same time you want to i don't know that's your life as your spouse so you'd be like hey this is the life i've built with this person and yeah i guess you kind of talk it over with them and then they go if they go i don't want to do it and you give them like your whole your whole bit of why you do want to go and they're like no i'm not really into it i could still be like maybe you're right yeah that's what i mean i don't want to go i feel like your pitch would this is what your pitch would be that's why because your pitch would be like okay i want to go to this thing yeah you need to come with me because you're my wife and i want to show everybody to you but once i'm done showing you to them you need to just go away because you're not

going to be part of the conversation and i'm if we're being honest i mean and you know i'm gonna have to include you and go so and this person explained the backstory of our shorthand it's you know i didn't want to hear how you're not gonna like it that you plowed under the bleachers anyway i just want to go home but you have to do that basically and you have to stand there and nod and look interested and this is what married people do for each other okay i'll do something shitty for you and it's fine i owe you one shitty thing how's that i owe you like uh like uh you know some bullshit with your sister and her family and i'll go to brunch whatever keep a shitty list i'll keep a shitty list we'll compare hopefully we'll be at 18 uh shitty list things that's it by the end of the year one for one you know we'll

trade off on things like this but she doesn't want to go and he said yeah fuck it i'll go myself he said i'll go she said you go have a good time but i don't want to go so he goes all right yes you know he says this might be good for me i need just a it's a relaxing thing i'm away from work family kids you know just see like the old friends talk about old times and clear your head. 50 years old. All right. Years old for some reason. But people do that.

I suppose people go to high school reunions in their 60s. Yeah. Why? My grandparents still do it. Why? Oh, I know. It's I don't understand why. I don't know.

All people do that. I don't know what the fuck. Well, there wasn't any. There wasn't any Facebook then. They didn't keep up. They didn't have. That's true. A lot of them didn't go to college.

So it's just like, how did you fare after that bullshit education we got? How'd you do? We already hate most of the people we grew up with because we see their shitty opinions on Facebook and we're like, oh, you're a monster. I don't want to fucking talk to you anymore. How was I friends with you? What happened to this person? So we don't need that need that maybe that's why with your tits out on instagram with 20 000 followers i i see what you're doing or with you know 180 followers

still doesn't matter you're still going for it so bill goes to arkansas he's going to enjoy himself friend's wedding um so he goes to the hotel bar where he's at there's a hotel that a bunch of the people are staying in it's the night before the wedding and he has a drink and he's just sitting there by himself and he sees somebody at the bar who he has not seen in a very long time and it's his high school sweetheart a woman named barbara miller and so they used to they were a major item in high school these two so he sees her and he's like oh my god this i haven't seen you since high school weird so they start talking and you know she said that she was she liked him a lot back in the day and he liked

her a lot back in the day but they you gotta understand they haven't seen each other for 30 right plus years right if i saw any girl i went to high school with i'd be like hi i don't know like i have no interest in you i probably owe you an apology i'm sure i was gonna say i don't know what i did but i don't know if you're mad i don't remember there it is if you're mad at me you're if you were then you probably still are because i'm sure what i did was let's not talk so that jogs your memory how about about we do that? Yeah, and apologize to your best friend and your cousin for me as well. I'm sure I said something.

No, no, it was, yeah, they all, yeah. I thought you knew about each other. I really did. I thought nobody minded. I'm just kidding. I thought everybody was on board. I thought it was okay. So, you know, just kidding.

So anyway, he is, you know, they haven't seen each other forever, but this is her sister's wedding. So he had to think that he would run into her there, I would imagine. It's that girl's sister's wedding. It's Barbara Miller's sister's wedding. What are you doing, man? That's why he got invited, because I don't know why. And why would you invite- Your high school boyfriend.

No, this is her- Your sister's high school boyfriend. Yeah. Why would you invite that guy? Why would you, this is her sister's high school. Yeah. Why would you get married and be like, you know, we should invite that guy. We haven't seen it over. Remember that guy used to go out with in the 11th grade. I haven't seen him in a long time. Where's he live now?

Montana. Let's send him an invite. So what the see if he'll get on a fucking plane. What the fuck kind of thing is that? Right. Is that weird? Bizarre. I didn't invite anybody like that.

No. And i got married back in the day pretty not far removed this is years this is 30 something years later this is a woman who's if she's the older sister she's middle to late 50s that's what i mean i would get that invitation go who who's getting married where what's happening is this a dress to me is this do i i'm not buying a suit for this no i'm a rancher i don't have this kind of attire is a bolo okay yeah that's what i'm that's what he gotta come in all western sorry yeah i've been on the ranch for the last 30 years or so and uh it's like kevin costner with just enough dust on your shoulder i dress like charlie from always sunny in Philly when he's selling oil.

That's what I do. I'm in oil. So he's happy. They're talking. They have a very nice conversation. They spend a few hours at the bar drinking. Oh, my. And catching up on old times.

And they start laughing and having fun. They're talking about people. Have you seen, oh, I knew that guy, and actually, you know what happened to him? If you see anybody that you, there is a thing that, not necessarily if it's the opposite sex or whatever you're into,

but if you see somebody from high school and they start telling you stories of disastrous things that have happened to other people that you knew in high school, it's kind of funny, and it's like, you'll get into that conversation for a little while it's like oh my god what did that idiot do now that's a good 15 minute conversation i can deal with yeah but this goes on for a while that's too much to the point where bill they get more

comfortable and they start talking more about their personal lives and his jacket comes off he starts talking about his personal problems the last few years of my son's the bolo son committed suicide as he loosens up the tie let me tell you about that no that's another scotch we'll make that a double make it the single malt this time too let's get the good stuff never mind that johnny walker let's get it that's yeah uh the mccallum 18 and thank you so glenn livet. So that they kind of get to the point in the conversation where he's talking about his life and how since his son committed suicide, his marriage has gone downhill, and all they do is fight.

Oh, God. Oh, yeah. He's pitching. He's pitching a no-hitter right now. He's in about the sixth inning. So he's staying at the Marriott, room 278. He's been going with mostly fast balls but on the third time around in the lineup now he's got to mix in the curves and sliders now

and throw a change up in there and he's you know how it goes he's in the sixth inning he's got a you need some guile to make it all the way to the ninth right you know anybody can get to this point right then uh trying to pitch the whole thing to be a complete game you gotta really you gotta really do it so at this point uh the the hotel bar it's last call the lights come up and all that shit so they're not ready to stop talking they're in the middle of a conversation so i mean oh why why are our why is our conversation going to be dictated by when the bars close in the state of Arkansas? That's crazy. This guy wants to go home?

Come on. Because the bartender has a life? Get the hell out of here. Stay here and serve me. That's what they're thinking. And so they say, well, he says, well, let's go back to my room and talk more so we can hang out in the room there. So you know how this happens, obviously. And yeah, this is it is what it is.

So they spend the night together. He's banging old Barbara here. And then Bill and Barbara go to her sister's wedding essentially together. Yeah. You know, they make an entrance together and all that kind of thing. They sat next to each other. They dance together. They were like a couple.

Like if you took a date to a wedding and you did this sort of thing they said they you know everyone said they were like an old married couple but had the energy like a new couple you know what i mean it was like yeah because they just yeah they just fucked forever like this is great now we know how to do it isn't this much better than when we were 16 and it was confusing. Look, I'm considerate of you, too. I know where all the parts are now. Isn't that great? I don't just hump away on you until I'm finished.

It's wonderful now. Wow. It's great. So, yeah, that's going to happen. So, anyway, this ends up happening. And as it's going on, you know, they're having a good time at the wedding and they decide that, you know, they don't want to leave it alone. They don't want this to be the last time they talk or the last time they see each other. You know what I mean?

They don't. They want to keep communicating. He tells her he's not going to let her down. He's not going to run away on her. And he's going to, you know, know he's gonna stay in touch with her and they come up with a plan of how to they're gonna email and they got phones and you're gonna text me that this times when is she married to no she's not married at all she's she's single let's go so the whole thing is just does she think i saw him first i don't know what she thinks i think she thinks i

know this guy i've known him since he was a kid. And I think some people have a weird thing for this. And this is my my I'm not a fucking psychologist, obviously. But I didn't graduate high school, so I can't claim to have any medical knowledge. But as an amateur, you know, done a lot of shit on crazy people and people with things in their heads. Not that this is crazy, but I feel like people pretty fucking crazy. It's a little weird. Yeah, it's it's not's not normal i'm not saying that don't get me wrong but i'm saying like when people see i think somebody from then i think in their brain it makes them puts them in the mindset of when they knew that person if they haven't seen him in 30 years and then they feel

young again and i think someone that's 50 years old and it's not completely thrilled with exactly not excited with yeah there they see somebody and it's an excitement thing i feel like i did when i was 17 again that's the feeling i want i've been missing that feeling that energy yeah i think that's what it is probably i'm guessing i don't know though and i think she feels the same way like oh you know we, oh, we're not middle-aged and paunchy people. We're exciting teenagers again. But you're not. But you're not.

You're not. That's the thing. Get your head out of your ass. Yeah. So they even make plans for her to move to Montana. Wait, what? No. No.

My family's there, bitch. No, no. He's telling her, this is what we're going to do. her to move you to montana i'm gonna eventually edge away from my wife and you're gonna you know okay so he's gonna leave eventually but not now first you're gonna come to montana we're gonna have an affair for a while and as i can get out of my marriage i'll slip back you know we'll exchange all right partners at some point here. So, or, you know, exchange wives, I should say. So, you know, they thought maybe this is going to work. He leaves Arkansas, goes home to Montana.

And, yeah, he calls her twice right when he gets home and says that he misses her. And it was really nice to talk to her and all this sort of thing. So he says he needs to see her again, and he sets up basically a little getaway for them. They're going to go. She's going to fly in. He's going to pick her up in Missoula, and they're going to go to a resort.

In Missoula? I think it's like north of Darby, west of Missoula type of thing because Missoula is like northeast of Darby. So I think there's some resort out there, and Bill says he's going to buy her a plane ticket. missoula's like northeast of darby so i think there's some resort out there and uh bill says he's gonna buy her a plane ticket it's gonna be beautiful for the memorial day weekend yeah that you have what how what i mean i don't know what he's thinking he's leaving town to go to a wedding without the family so it's i guess it's not weird he disappears on him for time's time

i guess what do you say i'm out ranching like i don't know got a big sheet rock job memorial day weekend you know i realize this is like a rest family weekend i'm gonna just dedicate it to work i'm gonna work see i was gonna have a barbecue yeah i thought about it but i decided to fuck the girl i used to like in 11th grade english instead so how's that no i don't know how you how do you i'm gonna import her i don't know how you get away for days at a time from from your family that's wild i don't understand he's got to have side i'm sure he's cooking up some kind of story for a business trip i'm sure he can say he has a sheetrock job that's up in some resort i suppose

that'll probably work i would assume i don't know when the life was like where's that check from that sheet they shorted me my sheet that fucking resort who runs that place that bastard damn fucking piece of shit resort yeah you'd be very upset with that i'll make a phone call honey i'm very sorry so he's uh the whole time too he's telling her that ann's gonna be gone gone soon. Don't worry. It's going to be the two of us. Everything's going to be great. You know, it's all good and everything stays all good. And this plan continues and she's going to come out for Memorial Day weekend. Everything's wonderful.

Which if you're outside the U S is in May Memorial Day weekend until Friday, April 29th of 2005, when Ann gets a phone call. Stop it. A phone call from an anonymous caller. It's a woman who won't say who she is, but she will say that basically, I was at this wedding in Arkansas with your husband and your husband's fucking his high school girlfriend. And they were real close and all up on each other. And I know her and I think the shit's still going on so you might want to know that i don't know who the hell would do that but wow somebody who's been cheated on somebody just took i mean they just took a big

pool of gasoline and said how many matches do i have the whole book fuck it who oh my who does that like who would it's vindictive even if you knew that about would you i wouldn't i wouldn't want to be the person to tell somebody that i'm not i hope they find out but i'm not going to be the one to tell them the sentence is only designed to hurt that's all that's for unless it's her sister or somebody that's close to her that really is like i want to tell you this so you don't get hurt and now i'm here to comfort you as well that would be one thing but just i'm an anonymous caller your husband's fucking his high school girlfriend how do you like that goodbye like that's a lot to take in i would think for her so

she's obviously blown away by this um the person I said, never identified themselves, anything like that. Uh, so she's upset as you might imagine. And is a bit upset. Um, she's, uh, mad. She confronts bill over it. Um, you know, confronts bill over the, over the affair. And bill, uh, agrees that he would stop talking to her. Stop talking to Barbara. It's all out.

And blows it up on him. And he's like, I don't know what I was thinking. You're right. I was all happy there for a minute and lost my mind. You know how that goes. Listen, and there's there's. Have you ever gotten put? All right.

Yeah. I got nothing. I won't do it. It was a lot of serotonin that I just was not used to having. I was rushing through my body and it was bad stuff. So, yeah. So then he sends her an email. So Barbara didn't know the call went to Ann.

Barbara thinks everything's going on fine. Barbara doesn't know that Ann knows about it and has now confronted Bill. Like she's blissfully unaware of making plans to come for Memorial Day. She doesn't know. And out of the blue, Bill sends her an email saying it's over. I can't do this. And out of the blue, Bill sends her an email saying it's over. I can't do this. And that was that. He explains that and knows about the affair.

And he tells her that we can't ever see each other again. Sorry. Don't mean to do this to you twice is apparently he dumped her in high school and kind of ghosted out on her. So that was the thing. So he said, don't mean to do this twice, but I can't do it. I'm canceling the airline ticket. I bought you to Montana. Have a good one.

Have a good life, Barbara. Like, Jesus Christ. Oh, no. So she's like, what the fuck? She's pissed. He came on to her real strong. He's banging her. He's telling her all this shit.

He's selling her a line of goods. I'm going to break out, take you out here. I'm leaving my wife. We're going to be together. Blah, blah be together blah blah blah resorts and airplane tickets all this plans and shit and then out of nowhere he's like never mind sorry she found out so i don't like you anymore and she's like what the fuck she's she's pissed she said obviously barbara we're foiled yeah this isn't gonna work here she great. I got fucking dumped twice, basically. And so she sent an email back saying, fucking call me. How's that?

Why don't you call me and talk to me about this? And he never called. So she got pissed. She decides, I'm going to Montana, whether he wants me to or not. Really? He owes me more than an email. Yeah. For the second time, he owes me more than an email yeah for the second time he owes me more than an email i wrote this on the shitty list we have to do something together

now i would have accepted a phone call but now it's no it's going to be face-to-face time now so oh boy this is going to be an old west showdown going on here so she makes up her mind she's going to montana um but then so she gets her somehow. I didn't think she had to pay for it, but she gets her canceled plane ticket reactivated again. So she's ready to go to Montana. And he told she told Barbara tells tells Bill that she's going to show up on his doorstep and she's going to camp out there till she he's ready to come out and have some balls and talk to her face to face like a man so i don't know if this is a way to try to get him to just call and do it or if you know if i threaten him enough that i'll show up at his house maybe he'll call me and talk to me about it i'm not sure uh it's a bit on the uh this is aggressive yeah i would say it's aggressive

but listen he fucked up i was gonna say i mean it's one thing you know there's the old stupid woman scorn shit but woman scorn twice yeah over a 30-year period is a different story and it's not woman that's anyone scorn twice over they're gonna get pissed off and wants to be like all right i'm at least gonna yell at you before this is over on my last interaction with you. You sweet-talked me all night, and then you do the same thing again? Again. We're having a chat this time. After I was making life plans.

She was planning on moving. She was going to sell her house, and she's talking about what she was... He's making life plans. This is crazy. I paid an inspection fee. Fuck you. Exactly. This is ridiculous.

I have people in and out of my house all day, traipsing around, saying closet's not big enough i gotta hear that shit because of you you're a dick how many times i've heard it's not very modern fuck you i'm coming to talk i know the kitchen needs an update all right fuck granite was fine fucking 10 years ago i get it's laminate i know not real wood fine okay it looks nice and it's easy to clean it's all i'm saying anyway she decides they're gonna have a face-to-face on memorial day it's gonna be a holiday showdown so hopefully he's out like flipping hamburgers in the yards with the fucking apron on that apron there's people playing badminton and she fucking screeches up in a rental car going bill bill you want another beer you're gonna need it now his floppy chef's hat as it turns oh shit with his kiss the cook fucking apron on number one dad barbecue artist or some

shit try the meat with the arrow pointing down yeah isn't that funny jesus you've seen them all jimmy i'm a dad jimmy has shopped for novelty barbecue aprons more than most people as you can understand that's a real apron that's why it is yeah it's something you've seen i'm like you did not just make that up i know you didn't so that's fucking hilarious good nor a hard man is good to find yeah fucking bachelorette shirts they're everywhere it's all over they're the best ones but they're everywhere they're everywhere that's why they're out i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is zach stewart pontier i'm one of the filmmakers behind the jinx and i'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast.

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send the follow-up email please don't do that listen we gotta all right? No, is basically what I'm getting at here. This is where a conversation with your wife comes in where you go, look, I got this email back. Yeah. Can I please just call her? She's coming. You can be in the room. We'll sort it out.

I'll put it on speaker. I know what I did and I fucked up and I want you to know everything. I don't want her to come here on Memorial Day because I feel like no matter how much that wouldn't be my fault, I like you're gonna blame me i feel i feel like some blame is gonna be put on to me which i guess is understandable you wouldn't know this person otherwise but oh i'm gonna hear about this for years yeah like it's gonna be the neighbors are gonna know about it the the cattle are gonna know it's gonna be a lot i don't think we want to deal with this so he doesn't contact her at all like i said yeah this you gotta lay the cards on the table look this is what's going to be a lot. I don't think we want to deal with this. So he doesn't contact her at all. Like I said, yeah, you got to lay the cards on the table.

Look, this is what's going on. This is what happened. Answer every question. She's going to want details. That's it. You better say them. You better say them. How many times?

This many. Yeah, I'll put it on speaker. So he doesn't contact her. And she eventually, because there's a month that goes by here, she cools down over the course of the month and says, you know what? Fuck it. What am I going to do? Like, I'm sure she talked to a friend or her sister or something.

And somebody told her, what are you going to go there for? What is that going to do but cause you grief? You're a 50-year-old woman. Come on. This is, no. This is, you have 22-year-old energy here. I'm going to go there and confront people. You do that shit when you're 22.

When you're 50, you go. All right. They don't want me. It's enough. I'm going to I'll be fine. I'm going to eat something and relax. How good was that rancher cock? He is slinging dick, man.

Well, I mean, he's great at it. He knows how to sheet rock in the bright rooms. He sure does. He throws it down. He sheet rocks her ass. He sheet rock that ass ass that's what it is so she ends up not showing up and so there's no contact with him no contact with her for a period in the summer of 2005 things are normal again no weird shit she's not going to show up

he says he's back on track and says she forgives him you know or quote unquote forgives him she's not going to show up he says he's back on track and says she forgives him you know quote unquote forgives him she's not going to divorce him in lieu of yeah of divorce behavior forever and yeah exactly in lieu of that more paperwork i'm going to trust you so everything's fine uh until uh june 1st here uh june 1st he's on his computer at home when he gets a message in his inbox and it's a little bit strange this is one week after memorial day this is one week later yeah so return for a short period not not much yeah um well it was okay because he didn't contact her so there was no contact from like early may oh got it okay so memorial day yeah so it's like a month june and now she's pissed yeah it's like a month where the stout household has been calm waters basically

so he gets an email now saying quote i love you we're gonna be together we're gonna meet face to face and uh yeah so the email address that they were coming from was called Freak-O-Fark at some shit. So, yeah, it was a... Freak of Ark. Freak of Ark, yeah, I guess. I don't know. Freak of Arkansas. Freak, oh, of Ark.

Yeah. Of Fark, I saw. Freak-O-Fark. Jesus Christ, Jake. I'm terrible at personalized... I'm like, what? I'm bad at personalized license plates. Can I say that? I'm'm bad at personalized license plates. Can I say that?

I'm really bad at personalized license plates. I'm terrible at them. I'm as good at personalized license plates as you are at Italian names in the shout outs. Put it that way. Freako Park. Freako Park. Jesus Christ. Unbelievable.

You sit at red lights and go, what the fuck does it say oh i can't ever figure it out i say to sarah what the fuck are they trying to tell me she'll get it for two seconds and tell me i'm like all right thank you i investigate it too deep and i don't even know what i'm doing what are they saying are they a dick what this say? Is this like something that says- No, it says go suns. You should diddle kids or something. What's going on? Oh, go suns.

Okay. I get it now. It's an NBA play, James. Freak-o-fark. Freak-o-fark. God, I love that so much. And it also tells so much about her. Oh, yeah.

She loves sex. Freak of Arkansas? Yeah, she's into it, man. Oh, boy. I like her. So he gets this, and despite the intriguing email address where he's like, hmm, I don't know, he decides, not going to respond, delete. Right.

Because maybe if I just delete everything, maybe it'll just go away. So this will go away. So he thinks she won't. You know, that's the end of that shit. But then it's not. He's as bad at license plates as you are. He doesn't know what that means either. Yeah.

He's all, who's Freako Fark? Freako Fark. Jesus. I think I'm all right. Freako, do they mean fart? Did they misspell it? What happened? This isako Fark. Jesus. I think I'm all right. Freako, do they mean fart? Did they misspell it? What happened? This is a spam email.

Yeah, don't need that. So then he discovers Bill. A short time after getting the email, he finds Ann in the kitchen reading some letters. Oh, boy. Addressed to both of them that had been sent in the mail. So she just got the mail, and there's a letter addressed to both of them. She been sent in the mail so she just got the mail and there's a you know letter addressed to both of them she opened it like a normal person would and she starts fucking reading it and uh she hates it it's yeah it's it's a you know it's from barbara

it's from freak of fark and freak of fark is not not going well here so um at this point uh she's pissed off at this but he's saying i have not contacted her this is i can't help that somebody's if somebody's a little off that's not my fault and she's like i get it you know i guess we'll handle this together and you know but she's still pissed off because she doesn't want she wants a life without her getting some woman her husband had an affair with who the hell wants that you know what i mean that's hot that's wouldn't this wouldn't be happening if you wouldn't have fucked her basically she's saying so i get that it's her fault now but let's be honest here you started pushing that rock down the mountain and

it's just gravity now taking its course i guess no one can resist your sheet rocking cock it's hard as sheet rock you're rocking the sheets rocking it. You're rocking it. So he rocks the sheets. Sheet Rocker 1. That's his email address. And his license plate. Sheet Rocker 1. Sheet Rocker rocking the sheets. So now Bill, Ann, and their sons and a bunch of their friends start receiving emails. No.

Start receiving letters postmarked in arkansas uh yeah saying that they're from barbara miller or from barbara miller's daughter you know whatever intermittently the different both of them the so i mean ann is just like holy shit now it's embarrassing too because literally they're sending letters to their sons that's terrible so their sons are reading this like oh your dad had an affair with me and now he's doing this shit and oh my god their friends in town are getting letters like you know they're people they work with they're getting letters saying that you know this this is what's going on and they're we're supposed to be together and then this guy would ditch me again and then you know blah blah

this is horrible shit though i mean these it's a small town this is very embarrassing for these people they're they're you know older people in a small town like they're not used to this they're not swingers these two the stouts so it turns out that it's just um you know it's ongoing and in these communications miller's telling her and everybody else that it's an ongoing affair and that bill is still having an affair with her and he hasn't contacted her at all and he's like i swear to god i have not contacted her this is she's crazy he's saying like i don't know this is like a fatal attraction thing literally i don't know what's happening yeah i didn't do any of this shit letters then started coming claiming that miller was pregnant with bill's child oh god damn it so yeah and uh also saying that she was going to come to montana to take

ann's place in the family and she was going to come there and edge out ann and you know have a child with bill and be a new family and ann needs to go away so she's sending in ann's receiving letters saying that you're you need to go away because he got me pregnant so i'm coming there and do they contact the cops get out of the fucking house well not yet so not yet uh they also she says that she's gonna bring bill's baby to montana and show up on the doorstep and all this type of shit so all look at it it's got a bowlet tie and everything look it was born with this that's how i know that's how i know he smells like a wide open range he was squinting yeah the whole time still look at him there's no sun there's no sun we're inside he's just squinting looking through his i don't know

it's weird so he's he's leathery and wrinkled he's six months old it's just always counting cows and shit weird trying to make sure they're all there. Super weird. He kicks shit. Literally. Falls out his diaper. He just kicks it on the floor. And slings sheetrock cock like no baby should. It's not right. Yeah, he's a newborn.

He's wearing size four diapers. That's right. You want to know why? Yeah, he's packing. He's got Montana dick. That's right. He's packing. It's big sky country. It's a big other country, too.

It's big cock country up here. So all of these letters are postmarked in Arkansas and, you know, all of them. And what they do is then she said there's another batch of letters because this is like a bunch of letters keep coming in waves. At one point, there's a batch of letters that goes out to all of her friends all of their friends all of their relatives inviting them to a barbecue yeah in montana to celebrate the new relationship between bill and barbara miller so come to our engagement party basically it's going to be wonderful celebrate our our baby coming so bill at this point said okay i i like yeah i tried but you know it's getting too rough at home and he goes to law enforcement and he goes to the uh rivoli county sheriffs here

and he reports harassment he says i'm getting fucking constantly harassed here chief boy rd we got to talk listen chief uh yeah it's a lot going on yeah i like the beef ravioli by the way that you make they're very very nice deputy b for ronnie we need to have a chat i'm sorry can we kick the spaghettios out of this good deputy fucking ravioli and beef roni so he's uh yeah he reports it to them and in addition to all the emails now at this point after he reports it to them. And in addition to all the emails, now at this point, after he reports it to law enforcement, other things start happening. Not letters. Now acts of vandalism start happening. Like somebody's there.

Like they would have to be there to do. Oh, no. Eggs start. His truck will get inexplicably egged. And it'll be the only thing. Like nobody else in the neighborhood. It's not a bunch of kids going around people it's his truck is covered in eggs and nobody else's is um shit is smeared all over his truck like shit i i hope it doesn't say i don't know if it's human or dog yeah i'm really hoping she found or is it cow or cow shit yeah

there's a lot of shit on a ranch you can if you're looking for shit that's the place to find it you need a handful of it up there it is just pick it up and smear it wherever you want so you don't have to make your own probably i would assume with so much already on the ground it's plentiful it's plentiful so but shit smeared all over his truck he'd come out and have shit smeared all over which is wonderful they would break uh there was broken potted plants on the porch of the house she's still 17 james yeah this is like this is at the house yeah i mean this is no shit now this isn't a letter from arkansas this is someone broke our potted plant and smeared shit on my truck this is a problem it's an issue uh also they would both bill and ann report receiving numerous hang- up phone calls at the house.

So from and they're from pay phones. They're not from, you know, numbers that anybody would could investigate. Right. It's crazy here. So Bill also reports that a credit card and some financial information were missing from the house. And he feared that. So every time something happens he has to go back to the cops and go there's more there's more oh now there's shit on my truck oh

now my plants are broken and now there's things inside yeah now he said that he he tells the cops look i'm scared that she is here and i'm scared she broke into my fucking house if she's all around my house she's gotta be there because she knows where his family is and where there's a will there's a way with a break-in i mean it's not like if you want to break it, since there aren't armed guards around there. So it's if you want to break in, you can break in. So he said, this is getting really scary. He says, I'm getting emails.

She's still saying she's coming to Montana. I'm scared. Like, what can you do for me here? So now and at the same time, she's so upset that she she like talks to a bunch of people in town about the whole thing. And it's a it's a basically he's very embarrassed and ashamed of this whole thing. Bill is because, you know, people ask what's wrong. And she's like, oh, my the woman my husband's having an affair with is stalking us and smearing shit on his truck. And so, I mean, you know, she's got to be able to talk to people or friends and things like that and he feels obviously like responsible for it so it's it's it's not good um

so uh yeah december 2006 comes around and um it's still still going on here uh and everything it's it's still happening um the uh at this point by december ann and barbara had started they have communicated okay which is strange yeah it's everything's kind of is ann kind of uh trying to settle the water i don't know if yeah i think she's trying to be like look maybe if she's acknowledged yeah and she just realizes we have a family, you are happy, and there's been a misunderstanding. And maybe if we treat her that way, maybe she'll act like a human if we treat her like one, basically. She's obviously angling for the fear aspect. So let's not show any fear. Let's treat her like a person and tell her, look, we're not going to deal with your shit.

The dogs growl and let's show them the back of our hand and go, here you go. Smell it if you want. I'm not if I'm not afraid of you. Like, it's that sort of thing. Yeah. So I feel like that's kind of what it is. So they talk on the phone a little bit. She also called and emailed Stout.

Now takes another thing. First, she was calling to yell at her, too, and say, stop doing this shit. Then also. And after there's communication doesn't stop and calls and emails barbara miller's boss about the affair oh to be like well maybe if her boss tells her to chill the fuck out maybe she doesn't want to get fired smart yeah it is i guess if you're if you're that if it's been months it's been six months of harassment at some point you don't care anymore like i don't know how much time she puts in at your office but this is how much time she puts

in at my office yeah she sends my kids letters like this is fucking once someone's sending your kids shit. That's all bets are off at that point. Yeah. All bets are off here. So now Miller started worrying that she was going to lose her job. She said that she would. She was worried she was going to lose her job if they took out a restraining order against her and she got served at work like she's afraid she'd lose her job over that so she said that she uh and they they never sought a restraining order against her by the way which is strange um but she did tell people and did that she got a restraining order

against her which you know i don't know people talk so um maybe you hear that enough where people where you tell people enough of the story. Then they go, why don't you just get a restraining order? And she's like, I don't want to do that. It's a lot of trouble. It's a lot of hassle. It'll affect her terribly. I don't want to do that.

So eventually you just go, yeah, I already did that. Well, yeah. And then really strange about about January 2007. Ann calls Barbara Miller and says, you know what? I'm divorcing Bill. You can fucking have him. I'm pissed off. I've had it with this whole thing.

You win. Basically, I'm not doing it anymore. It's not stopped. There's been this constant stream of this shit. She feels between her son committing suicide and this fucking affair. It's been dragging on and embarrassing her to her friends, family work associates it's he's she's done she's like you know what she literally says i'm divorcing bill you can fucking have him enjoy that's it uh i'm angry about it and i've had it so 2007 this is the state of the relationship

she says she's divorcing bill everything's up in the air barbara miller thinks that she's on deck yeah this is what's going on um by 2007 there uh noah i believe the older son is in college matt's in high school um may of 2007 bill puts the house and ranch up for sale really okay puts it up for sale i don't know if he was calling barbara's bluff on the divorce like all right well put the house up for sale then whatever uh but she was very upset with him for put the house up for sale then whatever uh but she was very upset with him for putting the house up for sale so i don't understand if she wanted a divorce and wanted to stay there if that was how it worked or what it was but there's a source of beef there but through the month of may after he puts the house up for sale i don't know if that was an extreme measure

that calmed the waters or what but after that they start getting along a little bit better once they have a big fight about the house blow and all that shit, then they start, Ann and Bill start calming. That's how Funny Farm got them back together. That's what it is. Yeah, that's how it works there up in Redmond. I don't want to move either. I don't even want to get divorced. Me neither. Me neither. Yeah, you can have the apple.

So June 1st, 2007, Bill, back to the ravioli county sheriff here chief boy the old chief boy rd to tell the chief that uh he has had a robbery at his house he's had stolen from him a nine millimeter beretta which is uh you know a gun obviously uh the holster that goes with and a bunch of ammo oh that's not good so somebody stole my weapon and all my shit and and possibility to fire it yeah and it's things to fire it with and um you know i've been being stalked for a year so a little frightening a little frightening um he apparently showed up freaking out at the sheriff

like he was it was like not it wasn't like a little this is weird i don't know if it's anything or you know you guys tell me if you think it's anything but you know it might be a silly he showed up like holy shit it's worse now yeah you know because every time something happens he runs back there and they're just like boy yeah that's weird yeah you're not gonna believe it guys somebody that eggs uh rubs shit breaks stuff steals credit cards they're now armed they're now you know the i just see the sheriff with his feet up on the desk and his hat pulled down over his eyes you know what i mean and he every time they come in he's aroused kicks his coffee over when he's god damn it i just jesus

i just creamed that coffee martha another cup of coffee please she's like another so this is what's going on here so he says theft of the handgun uh he says basically it's barbara miller has stole my fucking handgun uh she's been doing all the shit she stole my handgun um she's here in town obviously she stole my handgun she's been coming in and out periodically she She's stalking me. I'm scared. Basically, she she wants to ruin my life. And now I'm worried that she has a gun.

Right. And she's upset. So they say, fill out a police report for report, you know, saying that you think she stole it. That's when he starts to second guess himself. And he's like, well, I don't know. She stole it, though. I can't, you know, like I didn't see her do it. So because they say, you know, you have to.

So he starts freaking out. And this is we're to the point now where Bill doesn't even sleep much at night anymore. Like, he's sure he's got a lot going on in his mind. He hasn't had a solid shit in months. No, no. Liquidy. Liquidy. Oh, it's bad.

It's Del Taco every night of the week. Every night. Every night. He can't tell which is going down the water. It's like Tuesday night. Thirty nine cent, you motherfuckers. For your East Coast people and foreign people, Del Taco has 39 cent tacos on Tuesdays. 39 cents.

39 cents. In 2020. That's insane. That's insane. And so you get a giant sack of them for under $4. They're disgusting. They're horrible. Their cheese is good. It is, but the shell is bad.

The meat is like... The shell is like seven weeks old. It's rock hard. I just want to get Taco Bell tacos and put the Del Taco cheese on the Taco Bell tacos and then eat those because they're much better. How dare Taco Bell think that their taco is worth $1.69. That's what I mean. You're going to charge that. Who are you and these people have 39 cent you know it's just it's a shit taco right yeah

it's just a stale taco bell that's all it is it's almost like if you go to someone's house who doesn't cook very well and they make house tacos that's what del taco tacos are and you're like these are kind of suck they don't have any taste. It's shaped like a taco. Did you season the meat? Right. You put that mix in, right? Is this just hamburger? Because there's mix that you put in and then you water and you produce it. It's dry.

I got to chew a lot. It's mealy. When I put it down, all the meat falls out in little pieces. It doesn't stay together. Why did you chop it up so much? God damn. Well, you're supposed to,

but then the stuff keeps it together, but you didn't add that stuff. If you're not putting that in, it's got to be bigger than this.'s now a loose meat taco thanks so uh yeah he says that um you know he's he's doesn't he doesn't know who stole the gun he's not positive so he can't really blame her if he's not positive so the cops are like look if you want us to if you want us to go arrest her for it, fill out a report. And we will. If you don't think it is.

And then what the fuck do you want from us? Basically report the gun is stolen. You don't know who took it. I don't know. So that's what they do. So some time goes by here. About nine days go by. No sign of Barbara.

No sign of any weirdness. Nothing happens. And then June 9th, 2007 comes along. And Bill, they're alone in the house that evening their uh their younger son was out because he's in high school he's a teenager he was out and he comes home like late late in the evening like uh before midnight right around there bill is gonna go horseback riding with a friend the next day and he is fucking jacked about it yeah bill is he loves a good yeah he loves a good horseback ride and yeah he talks to his friend on the phone talking about

how great it's going to be we're going to take the horses here we're going to go up this mountain i mean he had a whole plan it was his day i do the same thing it was bill day man except not on a horse yeah but i when i make plans with somebody to like go somewhere i'll talk about it i call him and i for dude we're gonna do this and we're gonna do that it's gonna be so fucking great they're like dude just have dinner and go to bed you do that you don't do that with me though because you're like i'll leave it alone if i sell it too much he's not gonna want to do it anymore he's gonna think it's great he's gonna think i'm just gonna go see you then i'll meet you guys at the gas station over here.

Yeah, yeah. And then we'll all just go up together. Oh, it's going to be great. One car. We'll take one car. Why don't we just go and meet there, Jimmy? Calm down. No.

You're thinking about this way too much. The trip is half of the fun, you guys. You're overthinking this, Jimmy. He's very excitable. So he's doing that. That night, Ann cooks dinner. She makes steak, broccoli, potatoes. Okay.

A hell of a nice dinner there. It's a Montana rancher dinner. Mean potatoes guy. Yeah, it was about a four-pound steak, too, I'm sure. It was just a hunk of cow. Two chunks of cauliflower and broccoli. That's it. And then a giant baked potato.

Yes. And he had a beer with his dinner as well, which that's a good dinner right there. That's a fine dinner. They do that. son leaves for the evening goes to hang out they get to fucking yeah and and bill gets some fucking on that night after a steak dinner he's got to let that settle a little bit first just ate half a cow he's not going to start plowing away on anybody unless you do some of that comfortable side fucking that's what you got to do hold on you just there you go now if you just kind of rock we ain't gotta move this is a steak dinner this is not a sheet rock night this ain't a sheet rocking kind of night sweetheart we're just gonna just rock back and

forth there you go eventually something will happen don't worry like a like a north carolina airport chair that's all just rock it up gentle like a charlotte airport gentle back and forth now maybe that we don't know what happened yeah so he might have sheet rocked it we were not sure so he ends up he talks to his friend just before 10 o'clock about the horsing horsing about the uh farco fan or talks about freako park now about riding and shit like that and um so bill falls asleep and uh ann says that she went to sleep with him right around that time the next morning um he said she says that he wasn't feeling very well and when his friend called about going out

for the ride and talked to him on the phone and said that bill says he's not feeling great at all he's he's going to stay in today so um later that day june 10th um barbara takes matt to missoula takes matthew for a shopping trip they're gone kind of the whole day just shopping around it's it's an hour something away so you know if you go there you're gonna go barbara or ann and i'm sorry not barbara yeah and stout here she takes her son matthew they go when you go an hour and something away to shop like you got to get all your shopping you're not going to one store yeah you're gonna make a day of that shit it's gonna be an eight hour trip you have to yeah because it's gonna take an hour and a half to get there so they don't come home till the late afternoon because it's three hours of travel too so now matt matthew doesn't see his father uh didn't see him earlier the prior evening because he came home and he was already sleeping and so he doesn't see him that morning

either because he's still in bed and he takes off so they get home and and matthew about 4 30 and they find bill and ann finds bill in bed and then she sees there's a lot of blood around. A lot of blood everywhere. And she calls 911 at 430 p.m. And she says that, quote, there's something wrong with her husband. I'd say a lot of blood is something wrong. That's an issue. She says, quote, there's blood and his eyes are all bruised.

He's cold. Well, yeah, those are all not great signs. So the ambulance, obviously obviously and police 911 everybody fucking rushes to the house they confirm that bill is in fact dead um there's a lot of blood and they find a cartridge from a nine millimeter under the pillow one shot they find that one shot he's been shot in the back of the head okay boom one shot yeah so there's that and they find a shell case so they got they got some some stuff here that they find that's it so the officers they get a search warrant to go over the whole house they need prints and obviously all that kind of

shit now once they're investigating stout and her two sons obviously are like barbara miller is who you want to talk to clearly this is the one who did this to it. They said she explains they had an affair with Bill. She's been stalking the family. It's a whole thing because the homicide guys don't know anything about this. Chief Ravioli knows, but Chief Boyardee knows this thing, but no one else knows it. Deputy B. Ferroni hasn't spoken to anyone about anything. So she tells the officers that Barbara's harassment's been all that's been going on bill's been back and forth to the cops um he believed lately a couple days

or i'm sorry like right before the gun thing he believed that a car that turned into their driveway during like during the night was miller or one of her family members so he's been living in fear and also yeah acquaintances of bill tell the officers about that also it's so he's been living in fear and also yeah acquaintances of bill tell the officers about that also it's all he's been talking about he's been being stalked he's been so scared and um you know all of this type of shit they're they're worried about it here um you know uh so that is um until they find so just on a lark here, they're like, well, let's make sure, let's try to find out if it was this Barbara Miller. And they find from a convenience store in Arkansas surveillance video of her in Arkansas that morning. So that's a tough one.

That'd be a tough ride. That'd be a tough ride. Or flight or anything. She's in a convenience store in Arkansas at like 9 nine in the morning so they're like okay that's interesting that's weird um so they uh also figure out so they're like we have to go into this a little deeper when they do they find that ann had conducted internet searches related to barbara miller and to bill on her work computer and uh she also used that computer to create an account an email account using with barbara miller's name

here um they also found no evidence from flight logs and everything else that barbara miller has ever been to montana get out of here not at all um one of the investigating detectives here back to the house he offered his opinion that bill's body was moved after he was shot oh well and after he was killed based in part on the blood stains found in and around the body on and around the body he's an officer with the ravioli county sheriff's department yeah and also the deputy uh county coroner as well which you, it's a small town. Like, how are you doing? I'm a sheriff.

So and so. And I'm a coroner. Yeah. And by the way, if your kid's having a bar mitzvah, I'll cater the shit out of it. And DJ as well. It's going to be wonderful. So, yeah, he ended up doing the crime scene. He said that the scene of Bill's death, he found a large volume of blood that had coagulated

and he said the difference between dried and coagulated blood he tried to explain this a little bit um he said that the coagulation based on the coagulation and the drying he said bill had been dead for some time when he examined the body uh they more also exam talked about the state of rigor mortis and lividity, you know, lividity. Yeah. So lividity and, uh, his observations to the body, he concludes Bill's been dead for eight to 12 hours or so, if not longer, that's not good.

No. Yeah. If not longer. Uh, so yeah, it's all girl in the house. That's not good at all. So they said the bullet also ends contention is, well, if it's not Barbara at all so they said the bullet also ann's contention is well if it's not barbara bill must have killed himself because bill's been depressed and all this type of shit so it's obviously a suicide they go that's weird because most people don't shoot themselves in the back of

the head yeah it's rare most people don't get in bed and put a gun behind their head and shoot themselves that's a very difficult that's very difficult to do. To shoot yourself in the back of the goddamn fucking head is not, it's not normal. The execution style suicide is... It's rare. Yeah. It's rare in crime circles, I know.

That generally sends a message. Yeah. And you're not really, you can't really send that message to yourself if you're dead. He also cut his dick off, stuffed it in in his mouth and shot both of his eyes out like the mobs the mob dude erects yeah that's yeah he's a rat no so they were like interesting the bullet they said the bullet could not have traveled through bill's head to the position in the pillow where

it was located so that's also how they know he was moved from the blood and where the bullet was they said the body must have been moved after he was shot they said there was blood that was actually above or against gravity from the wound indicating that the body had been moved as well so uh he also said that there was a defined margin or line in the blood stain on the left hand as if it had been partially in a pool of blood but that hand was not in a pool of blood when the body was found so there was like oh wow yeah like a yeah like a a water mark on his hand basically of blood water was this high yeah exactly and it wasn't anymore it wasn't anymore yeah somebody didn't mark the twain there so uh at the they found the other areas of the body where it was like that too

he said there were coagulated deposits on top of blood stains indicating that the blood had coagulated before it was put on the stain so that mean he got moved and then it fell out of him there he also described other blood stains where that were deposited when the blood already coagulated because the blood had not run he described the position of the body would have to be in at the time of death to create the blood patterns he found and then also based on the lividity and the purple disc if you don't know what lividity is by the way i don't know i guess we're just assuming that everybody lividity is where your blood settles when you're dead you're dead you stay in one position your blood is a real gross color whichever side is down gravity takes the blood there and that's levitity

so they can tell were they here or were they moved after levitity said it and shit like that it's a good way to tell stuff like that um so they said that the levitity had become fixed with the body in the position in which it was found so So it was moved relatively soon after he was dead. They said that he had been lying on his right side when he was shot, and the body stayed in that position long enough for blood to begin to coagulate, and then it had been rolled over onto the back position, and that's how they found him. And they also said that there was a pillow over his head when he was found,

covering the entrance wound to the head, indicating that the pillow had been moved onto his fucking head. Obviously, other would be hard because it has no hole in it. So be difficult. They said also there were drops of blood found around the sheet, indicating that the sheet had been moved. This is not looking good. He also said fingerprints in the blood were left by someone other than Bill based upon the position of the bedding and his conclusion that bill could not have moved his hand to make the prints after he was dead oh no you know obviously so let's do a search of the house yeah they search through the house they don't have a hard time finding anything until they get to the garage they find bill's motorcycle out there

bill rides a bike too and uh inside of his saddlebag, they find something interesting. They find the 9mm. That has been missing. What? Yeah. They continue the search, and they find in a laundry hamper, under some washed but still wet clothing, they find the holster that goes with the gun. And then the ammunition was found on top of bill's gun safe and three rounds were missing from the center of the box so that unless the box was completely

opened it looked like upon opening from the end that it was full right so that's put them in the middle exactly so they also appears officers say with what they call what appears to be a laundry washing project that was never completed is is the way they put it. Wet laundry smelling strongly of bleach was in the hamper but had not been dried. Oh. Yeah. And the bullet that killed Bill and the spent shell casing were removed from the bed where he was found. Spent shell casing from the pistol was found in the yard.

And an unfired round was found in the chamber of the pistol, accounting for the three rounds missing from the box. Now, they brought in a botanical expert. Yeah. To. Yeah. Yeah. To find out because there was a plant blossom found in the ammunition box. Oh, shit.

A plant blossom in there. And it showed it came from a bush in the yard that had first bloomed for the season at least six days after bill reported the gun missing that's the first time those plants bloomed in that area holy shit grissom slow down okay that was impressive let's go to back that's pretty great this is good police work here okay botanical examination they found a small flower blossom in the box and determined that those flowers didn't bloom in that area till six days after Bill reported it missing. Wow. So that has been sitting in these bushes.

That box is what they determined from that, which is fucking amazing. It was hidden. It was hidden. Yeah. Expert analysis shows that the two spent shell casings came from Bill's gun. I don't know where the fuck the second shot was. Who knows? As did the bullet that killed him.

She said she didn't know anything about. And they asked Ann, you know anything about this? And she said, I don't know anything about a blossom. I don't know anything about an ammo box, blossom, anything like that. But she said, you know, I assume you're right. I don't know when shit blooms around here. It's a lantana. I don't right. Yeah. I don't know. Sounds good. When shit blooms around here. It's a lantana. I don't know.

Yeah. At the time, both Ann and the kids were saying that Bill's gun had been missing and they didn't know. So they keep searching. They also find a latex glove. Oh, no. Embedded with gunshot residue on the outside of the glove and on the inside of the glove is Ann Stout's DNA.

Of course it is. Not good. God damn it ann located in the same laundry hamper as the holster and wet laundry but she says i don't know how my dna could have gotten there that's weird it fell off the laundry i don't know you know how dna is it jumps around runs around she said that she often used rubber gloves around the house uh but she had no idea how gunshot residue with her maybe somebody took a glove I had used around the house. I mean, they didn't get their DNA in there sometime.

Maybe they had another glove and then used this glove to frame me. That's how we're at. Barbara is tricky. She also says nothing to do with the gun, nothing to do with the holster. Didn't know how they ended up where they were. At that point, you just got to go, fuck, I'm so caught. When you guys said you're searching the house, holster didn't know how they ended up where they were at that point you just gotta go fuck fuck

so god oh when you guys said you're searching the house i had no idea you're searching the garage i thought yeah i killed him i thought that i would get away with oh no there's way more here they find no fingerprints from the gun or the ammunition and no gunshot residue on bill's hand so it's also hard to shoot yourself in the back of the head without leaving gunshot residue on your hand he is magic so the search also reveals a note in ann's handwriting in her nightstand that contained instructions on how to fire a pistol stop a semi-automatic pistol like a beretta okay and uh she claimed when the cop showed it to her, she said, no, no, no, no. That's not for a pistol. That's actually instructions for Noah on how to wash clothes in the draw in the washing machine. Yeah, because he doesn't know how to do it.

So this is this note. It's the same for us, lady. It's the same instruction and a gun use as it is for a washing machine. Put one in the chamber. Pull the trigger. That's how you tell your kid to put the fucking laundry in say buck buck motherfucker right that's what you do when you put laundry in so that's what i do right break yourself like what up motherfucker and i slam my fucking washer door shut and i'm like pow cold cycle she's a dipshit and it's like, bow, cold cycle. She's a dipshit.

And it's like, no, no, I'll suck your dick. And I'm like, no, motherfucker, ain't gonna work. I felt so bad for Ann. Oh, yeah, I felt terrible for her. She's such an asshole.

So, also, it gets worse here, a neighbor whose window faced Bill and Ann's house reported seeing lights on in the bedroom area in the middle of the night. The that she that bill was sleeping after the steak and fucking right um so the neighbors said they felt seeing the light on at that time was strange you know their lights

were never on in the middle of the night in the bedroom right so but i mean someone could have had to take a shit or something i mean you know someone could have got sick who knows but still little this never happens before so they're getting let's just say let's to put it lightly suspicious of ann let's just say here um then they got a computer expert in her computer showed 56 internet searches for such topics as how to kill someone how to poison someone and get away with it how to put a person to sleep how to make a person go to sleep what kind of poison it can't be traced how can i do this without shooting a fucking gun how can i kill my husband collect his life insurance and blame it on a chick in arkansas she might as well have searched that like it's that obvious she fucking

james she is so cold-blooded yeah she tortured him for two fucking years well you know what else she said about it though too she said well all that proves is that because bill has access to that computer too that was the home computer all that proves he was trying to she said it proves that he wanted to commit suicide and he was just he's been searching how to commit suicide just like i told you right you know with no gunshot residue in the back of his head or my fingerprints on with my fingerprints on the dna dna not even fingerprints it's worse so she is the beneficiary of the 500 000 life insurance policy because even if he committed suicide that shit was up in january so everybody's fine and uh was also the co-owner of the real estate that they had with an equity of over

five hundred thousand dollars so ann's looking at a cool million in cash and prizes here um so the authorities here also said that autopsy results found that because the food in the stomach had not been digested he must have been killed before 8 a.m which would be before they left which is when she was still in the house and so was her son so but she had to have killed him before the son came home otherwise he would have heard gunshots yeah coming from the house so sometime between 10 and 12 because he talked to someone on the phone at 10 right 12 the son came home right so somewhere from 10 to 12 so that kid slept in the house with his dead dad and then went shopping with his murderer like nothing happened unbelievable um so they interview ann they want to have a little chat with them they sit her down they said what happened she says i made steak and broccoli blah blah blah we had

sex he called his friend we went to bed a little bit after 10 that's it yeah that's all that happened i left the next morning he was fine he said he didn't feel very good so the police officer tells her that they have all the evidence to believe that actually you killed bill as a matter of fact and not barbara or some intruder she says quote i can assure you that i do not that i do know oh he i'm sorry he says i can assure you that i do know you are the main suspect in the murder of bill stout uh we have all the evidence and all the findings to prove that i know that he died before he left on sunday morning and i have the time of death to prove that i'm asking you these questions now to help for you to help me with this investigation and she's broken to tears screaming that she didn't kill her husband she says quote you are so misinformed you can't prove anything because you don't know. You're not informed because that didn't happen.

She's very angry. She's upset. How dare you say that I killed my husband? She went full Twitter troll. You're so uninformed. You are uninformed. Here's an article that I made up and wrote, but still, it's on the internet. It has a link.

Here's statistics that prove I'm right and you're wrong. Right. She says also that she never called Barbara Miller and threatened her and all that shit. She said she never sent any mailings to anyone with Arkansas postmarks. How did that happen? They go, well, as a matter of fact, all of the envelopes had your DNA inside of them. Oh, no. Even the ones that weren't sent to you that were other people had their dna from looking

at it and yours that's the only dna we found how the fuck did she get it postmarked interesting here um she said well i have no idea how that happened that's ridiculous she said i never created any of the emails i never did any of that um she said i didn't do that she said that after she found out about the affair she discovered bill bought an airline ticket and that they were talking on the phone bill and barbara and that bill's bought phone calling cards and she didn't she didn't know about that and all that shit and that bill had registered with an online dating service in 2004 and that bill obtained a post office box a post office box that she previously didn't know anything about until he was killed and that she was angry and humiliating and humiliated and you know they said that uh they the officers also found a list that

she kept for years it was years old like the paper was crinkly years old and it was titled really mean things bill's ever said to her no everything he's ever said she literally documented it on a piece of paper it was a list that went back years wow like we always say yeah it's i'm sorry women but it's like a like an inside joke among men that women will catalog shit and bring it up eight years later and they have it like literally like a card catalog at the library and they'll whip it out oh well actually dewey decimal dey Decimal fuck up says this. You Dewey Decimal did some dumb shit on this date. But she actually kept a written list for years, since the 80s.

That's hilarious. I have it in my phone. I have a notes app of all the nice things that Emily's ever said to me. Isn't that nice? This is crazy. That's insanity. Whenever she needs a boost of I'm mad at Bill, he said that in this is crazy that's insanity whenever she needs like a boost of i'm mad at bill yeah he said that in 1991 that bastard holy shit i use it for the opposite whenever i feel like shit i'm like emily said this once that feels nice yeah she was like he made a comment

about the challenger explosion i'm upset in 2003 i wonder if she ever does that like just when she's pissed she's like how can i just channel this anger that's why she has a list right why else would you have why would you keep track of it because you're something so the investigation also shows that the email accounts from which they everyone said barbara miller was messaging people were actually created on stout's work computer um franka fark was from her work computer she did that and some of the emails had been sent from her home computer even she got a little lazy after a while you know they were awesome doing it all day at work yeah uh how did she get shit postmark from where she

fly to arkansas no investigators were able to duplicate a fort smith arkansas postmark like the ones found on the letters that were supposedly from barbara by mailing a stamped and addressed letter in a manila envelope from hamilton montana to the postmaster in fort uh smith arkansas and they send it back and it's got the postmark on it it looks like boom there you go that's what that is so that's what she was she figured all this out unreal she should have started a business of some kind because if she put half of the effort that she put into this. Get an Etsy going.

Holy shit. She would have been selling turquoise jewelry like her fucking balls were on fire. Get in to thrive, sugar. Yeah. Also, during the immediate search, officers found two letters with Arkansas postmarks in Ann's car in the garage, one sealed and one unsealed and not not never sealed basically so she hadn't sealed it yet yeah um the others just like the others and that she that started appearing all that whole time uh ann's dna was the only one found on the adhesive of the envelope postmarked from arkansas

and uh this was the one that was inviting bill's work partner to the barbecue that they had only that one everybody else had thrown the shit out barbecue that they had. Only that one. Everybody else had thrown the shit out, but someone still had it. The sealed Fort Smith, Arkansas envelope found in Stout's car during the search contained printed out emails purporting to be from Barbara, but they weren't. These printouts contained only Anne's fingerprints and palm print. She said that she, I don't know, I guess my DNA was on the envelopes. I don't know how it got there. I don't know. I guess my my DNA was on the on the envelopes. I don't know how it got there. I can't imagine. She said that maybe unknowingly she could have handled the contents of the Arkansas mailings because sometimes she helped well with paperwork.

Yeah. They also found in Stout's bedroom a copy of the of the invitation to the barbecue addressed to their sons, to their sons, the Stout's sons. Handwriting on the invitation was supposedly from Miller, was identified as Stout's by a handwriting analysis. Unbelievable. So she's fucked. And then I told you 56 internet searches for how to poison people, how to put people to sleep,

how to kill your husband and get his life insurance policy and blame it on a chick from Arkansas. Give her a funny email address so uh she said that she believed that these were bill searches like i said so you know it's all good i don't understand what the problem is the police say well you're under arrest here obviously i mean we're gonna run it through the courts let them think yeah she's literally like I don't know what you're talking about. She's through all of this is a mountain. Yeah.

A Montana sky sized fucking pile of evidence. And she's going, I don't know how my DNA got everywhere. That's impossible. I don't know how you all came up with all of this. This is crazy. Literally two hours. This is crazy. I get science and all, but come on, guys.

So, yeah, she's arrested she presented expert testimony she says uh she's going to present expert testimony saying that the circumstances were consistent with uh either a suicide or a homicide so he could have killed himself that's her her thing here okay all right lady well if you say so june of 2008 they're in court here and uh this is her her trial and a central theme here is that the prosecution obviously that stout deliberately and uh methodically created a giant illusion of a stalking that never had barbara had since those emails had never contacted him oh we got caught yeah and she was like she said at first she said those it was real the one saying that she was going to come there and go to his

doorstep and those were real i'll be there on memorial day but then once he didn't answer back she just cooled off and stopped and that was that wow she came to her senses because she's sane right and was like well never mind you know what not worth it and then this poor woman put up a fight over a married man and then he's not gonna leave and then i've just exhausted all this shit this is yeah imagine if she didn't go to a convenience store imagine she just sat home for two days and didn't do anything they would have fucking went and arrested her james you might be right wide open spaces drives you crazy batshit how do you not that's the type of shit you're so bored it's just i gotta create something shit i need excitement painting

fuck i don't know some shit so not even a lou diamond phillips ed o'neill movie can occupy my time no not even hoyt axon can take away the pain so the jury gets a little forensics lesson which computer forensics lesson lesson which is pretty fucking funny here there's a bunch of montana ranchers and they get some guys sitting down that's how that shit works yeah weird i've seen a button on there now they say the ann's work computer and the stout family computer uh the work computer was a laptop they were all seized uh obviously the computers were searched for evidence the uh detective dave potter of the r Ravioli County Sheriff's Department testified here that when he searched Dan's work computer Internet history, he found someone had visited a California Supreme Court website that explained the mental defense. So this is all shit.

She tried to erase. So the her attorney, Bill, she he said that while the computer's history might indicate someone visited the website, there's no way to know who that person might be. Several other employees use the same computer. So they did the chief computer forensic agent for the state's computer crime unit. He's the only guy in Montana who knows how to work a computer here. He's the chief. it he's the only guy in montana who knows how to work a computer here he's the chief yeah he testified to deep to conducting detailed computer forensics on request to computers in search of evidence to the alleged crime he gives a two-hour presentation here he says quote computers don't

delete things the first time you ask them to i have tools to obtain find and print any evidence relevance so they talk about how he found the creation of two email addresses in the name of Barbara Miller. You know, the history showed the creation of emails from the Yahoo server in Barbara's name. Also provided a list of, he also provided a list of contacts within the email's address book and several email messages sent to Bill

and in several of the couple's friends that she sent, all of those, obviously. One message titled, Old Friends and Lovers Never Go Away, detailed the relationship between Bill and Barbara and mentioned a pregnancy. That was sent from a created account in Barbara's name on Ann's computer. Crazy. So the prosecutor says, So you're telling me that the jury you're telling the jury that somebody sitting at that computer had to create these emails because the computer's history

shows someone logged in and out of those specific email addresses and he said obviously yes um they said the uh they asked if he could prove who created the email since the household laptop was used by several people he said he couldn't tell the jury who created the accounts, but only someone that knew how to log on to Ann's laptop would be able to create these accounts, obviously. So they go into a bunch of shit. He said the words most frequently searched on Ann's laptop were, quote, how to kill someone.

That's the first most popular search. That's not good. Common household poisons. How to put someone to sleep how to poison someone homemade poisons how to poison someone and get away with it untraceable poisons and quote how to make a sleeping formula why does why do people google stop doing every time the crime they go he could have this and that and this the uh what's his name the guy the watts guy yeah his girlfriend that he was with like on her thing she searched

you know like do people hate the chick that was going out with scott peterson like she literally was searching that shit it's like stop you're embarrassing yourself don't do that go to a library and do that if you have to do it go you sit next to a homeless man who's jacking off and fucking look up the shit you need to look up but don't that's where you deserve to be doing that scuzzy shit that's what i mean so also on the workplace computer they found commonly searched words on that computer were divorce planning a divorce and barbara miller a little obsessed i would say here imagine this is i her brain must have been a horribly noisy place to be for that last couple the amount of pages that would show up for barbara miller she would just

be scrolling for hours did she lose her mind when her son died you think did that it's the trigger it's gotta be is that the hoarders that makes you have that's the hoarders moment that makes you have 12 dead cats in your house the moment of the son dead is definitely a trigger i think the uh the push it over the edge is when the husband starts blaming you for that yeah i think that yeah i think those coupled he she couldn't get over it yeah that's what i mean going back and forth who the hell knows yeah that wasn't a problem and that that may be why she didn't fair doesn't help either but that may be why she didn't want to go to arkansas with him because she doesn't want to go on i don't want to fucking go my son's dead then you're blaming me for it yeah but five

years later you got either you got either get a divorce this is two years later after an affair but five years nothing compared to your kid's suicide five years is the time where you go either we're getting divorced or we're getting over this like what are we fucking doing here how goddamn long are we gonna fucking who's gonna put who through the most here yeah that's what I mean what are we having a competition for this shit this is ridiculous so ann testifies she does oh she gets up on that stand man that's balls she says quote my life was very happy with bill we had a good life together wow we were making plans to possibly move up to big fork making plans for vacation and building a new house.

She's acting like, I don't know what happened. Everything was great. Now, her attorney asked her if she was currently, this is as time of trial one year later, in a romantic sexual relationship with anyone. And she says, quote, yes, I currently have a boyfriend. Oh, my. I met him around Thanksgiving last year at one of Matt's sports banquets.

What? One of her son. Oh, she showed up at the parent. Come to the banquet thing. And you left with a boyfriend. And you left with a boy. And the boyfriend's not like you killed your husband. I'm not dating you.

Don't you have a trial coming up soon? At least Google her name, bro. What do you do? Dude, they let her out on bail and she's what? Well, I mean, who's he to be like, yeah, this is going to work out. You have a murder trial coming up. Why do people do this? Both genders.

I don't get it. So Matt, the son testifies as well. He gets on the stand here. He says that he had nothing to do with his father's death. Obviously, clearly he wasn't home. He says that he didn't help move his dad's body. He didn't do anything like that. He didn't help move his dad's body he didn't do anything like that he didn't mislead law enforcement he didn't know anything he just his mom yelled he said that he didn't hear anything on you unusual on the night of june 10th

not even a gunshot i like how in montana i mean that's not even that unusual i didn't hear anything unusual not even a gunshot i usually hear tons of those that weird like not even crickets like that's how he said it strange not even a gunshot not even roosters in the morning so he spent the entire that would be the most weird thing that i would hear at night is that a fucking gunshot normally yeah people did you hear anything last night i mean there's a gunshot yeah there's a lot but he was like no i didn't hear anything gunshot no not even that no no normally i wouldn't even mention that but since you asked i didn't even hear that either unusual would be like you know a black guy that would be strange

i haven't seen one around this time and i don't know when the hell saw will smith movie about 10 years back jesus christ no yarmulkes they don't even sell them at the knickknack store they don't even sell western yarmulkes wide brimmed yarmulkes big old sun brim on a yarmulke it only sits on a very small part of your head it's a very wide brim i want one i'm gonna make those you know what we make those beach yarmulke i'm making that they probably have them because israel is a very it's a very sunny beachy country yeah so maybe they have that i don't know so if not that would be awesome i'm sorry because i've seen a jewish hat that's a wide brim but it covers the whole head

well yeah i want it on the fucking yarmulke no i want the i want a yarmulke that happens to have a giant wide glennyst. That's what I'm looking for. A Western yarmulke. It's damn near a bonnet. That's what I want. Yeah, a Western. I want a Western. Give me the Western, please.

So no gunshots, no anything. Said he spent the day shopping in various places. And while his father had plans to horseback ride he said they returned to the home his mom found his dad dead and he said he helped his mother put away groceries and then went down to the family's basement and played on the computer then he heard his mom yelling and screaming and telling him to come upstairs and to get out of the house yeah he said quote i didn't understand what was happening all i heard was my mother screaming at me to get out of the house i followed her we drove my dad's truck down to our neighbor, our neighbors.

Well, my mom called nine one one. I had no idea what was happening. I just overheard my mom talking to nine one one about something happened to my dad. And he also says that he says that his father, as I said, was your father good at computers? Just to knock out the suspicion that he was the one creating stuff. And he said that he was his father creating stuff. And he said that his father was not very good at computers at all and sometimes needed help from the kids.

He's not a computer guy. He's a fucking rancher. He doesn't care about computers. He's a 50-year-old rancher. Who's excited, jacked about going horseback riding. Yeah, he doesn't care about that shit. He hasn't even found out that there's porn there. He doesn't even know about it yet.

He'd be like, whoa. Holy shit. This is amazing. Show me me more we're closing down the ranch those horses to fuck themselves i gotta i won't be here to feed them because i've got to take a computer class at the community a lot of them and i'm all lined up they of course asked matt if he created the email addresses and all that stuff and he said no yeah clearly not he also says that he knew about the alleged affair between his father and barbara he says that we never really talked about it my mom briefly told me about the situation but i never personally talked about uh to my dad about it because that's an awkward thing when you're 15 to bring up to your dad how the fuck would you bring that situation

hi dad so you getting some strange? How do you bring that up? I got a letter, Dad, that says I got a stepmom. Are you? Yeah. Want to elaborate? Baby brother coming? Am I finally getting that baby brother, everyone? No?

Is that a thing? Do I have a new mom now? So the verdict comes in here. The jury deliberates for six hours, which seems like too long in this case like that's fast you get a mountain and you go i don't know what else the other solution there could be here so six hours of deliberation this is for deliberate murder is the charge in montana and they find and stout guilty of deliberate murder uh yeah they said um the the prosecutor was happy he said this was a classic csi story and there was an incredible amount of computer and technology work that went into it none of that

would have been possible in think about like 1980 if this happened right they would have been fucked right they wouldn't know outside of one fingerprint on a letter they would have had no evidence and they probably would have went and arrested barbara miller there's a fucking dead flower in here this whole shit this is great yeah they would have they literally were like who's got someone got their plants in it i don't know what's going on they wouldn't even have looked at it how are they storing their fucking ammo weird he said there were so many aspects to the case that when we did our best to try to make our case as concise as possible and uh they said that he said that they did their jobs with the real victims in the case are the family members

of ann stout yeah that sucks yeah uh now he said that uh uh this is fucking great oh no that's sorry that's the uh defense attorney they said that they worked tirelessly the prosecution blah blah they were very congratulatory to themselves uh which they did a good job i gotta say uh so they said that uh uh the public defender that defended barbara ed sheehy called the verdict a result he said it was just a he didn't call it a miscarriage of justice he said it's a result of the legal process then he said then he said you know i'll try again one day yeah then he said quote that's how our system works i guess they felt as though i didn't raise enough reasonable doubt and then he lowered his head and he walked away and he winnie the pooh came up next to him and tried to cheer him up i guess they thought i felt i didn't as though i didn't raise enough reasonable doubt

bye poo bear y'all seen my tail bye poo bear you just hold on you don't forget your tail so sentencing comes around the prosecutors are sentenced uh recommending a sentence of life without the possibility of parole and they said that she subjected her husband to two years of public and private humiliation that's the cold-hearted shit part of mental torment wow before shooting him after she discovered an affair yeah if you want to kill him after the affair just kill him and get it over with jesus christ so the family her family testifies um they asked if they could uh you know the one noah's asked that he asked that a second chance be given to his mom in the by asking for a possibility of parole.

He's he says that it's what his father would have wanted, which I'm not sure about. Also, poor Noah's lost his brother. Now his mom. Now his dad. It's tragic. It feels like shit. That's what Matt Matt through all of this. He's in high school playing sports and shit.

Like he graduates in 2009. This whole thing happens in 2008 on through. Yeah. He's in he's in high school from 05 to 09 so imagine my grades i would have fucking ran away that'd have been a mess it'd have been a mess this kid buckles down and plays sports and does well for himself like that's amazing to buried myself in mesh i don't know if i know was in college i'm hopefully he did well, but I just found proof that Matt did. He says, Noah says, quote, this hearing is justice for my father. When I think of justice for him, I don't see that as his grandchildren getting to know their grandmother by putting their hand against a piece of bulletproof glass. He says that he wasn't there to ask the judge to disregard the verdict, but, quote, to give my mother no chance ever again. To give my mother no chance ever again to give my mother no

chance ever again that isn't the right thing it's not something my father would have wanted and stout's mother here this is ann's mother told the judge that she still believes her daughter wasn't even guilty wow which is you gotta to listen to that trial and then go i don't see how she did it you got some sack on you lady holy shit fuck also noah i think your dad might be okay with her going yeah if he found out she deserved it that she did all this shit for two years he did at this point he doesn't know he just shot her out in the field like a fucking like a sick cow like a broken horse so a horse that stepped in a hole. That was caused by a sick cow. Right.

So the mothers here said, quote, mothers know their children. I know that my daughter is a good individual. I wish that I had been able to protect my daughter from this terrible ordeal. What about Bill? He's dead. She manipulated this. Jesus Christ. She's acting like her daughter's a victim.

Yeah. Her brother, Stout's's brother whose name is jose luis moreno somehow i don't know how the fuck that happened brother sounds like mom found a fucking latin guy yeah i guess well the father disappeared when she was four so yeah other people she uh he says that uh stouts bill Stout's death left a large. This is void in the family's life. And sentencing Stout to life without a chance for parole would just make it worse for all of us and her children. We all love her. We haven't given up on her and we never will.

Okay. And says in her in her statement, I can't wait. She just very simple. I can't wait. She just very simple. She asked that she be allowed to have parole someday and the chance to return to her family as quickly as possible to help her sons recover from the loss of their father. She says, quote, allow our family the seeds of hope. And the judge says, yeah, he says that he didn't find any mitigating circumstances at all nothing on your side here uh for the murder in a pre-sentence report uh said that she failed to show any remorse for the killing he said quote from every indication your reaction was more intense than one might expect than the average affair yeah uh you began a lengthy really troubling campaign of vindictive serotipitous attacks on Bill, and not just directed to him, but to your own children, family, and neighbors. Everybody important in Bill's life.

It was really, really extreme behavior. This is coming from a judge. It went on for months. You never trusted Bill after that. You thought he was devious. I think Bill was probably doomed from that point on. All of that indicates some degree of lack of emotion.

Two years of this shit. Your children will be deprived of your company. It's not because you've been convicted of the crime. It's because you've committed the crime. You, ma'am, may fuck off life with the possibility of parole. But life anyway. Yeah. Door open for parole.

life anyway uh yeah um door open for parole but he specifically made parole parameters here that uh she's open for parole but only after she is psychologically evaluated and completed any recommended mental health treatment oh that's gonna be never he's like you're fucking whacked so until you're not whacked this is gonna happen again if we let you out absolutely uh she she suffered she appeared to suffer from an inability to accept reality, he says, which won't be cured by a few counseling sessions. He said this is what the judge is telling her. He says, quote, Miss Miss Stout has a great deal of soul searching and mental health work for this rehabilitation to ever even be possible in this case. And also they say that she's going to have to pay court costs accrued here because she lost from the state public defender's office and other courts uh they told the the uh public

defender uh costs fifteen thousand dollars and then uh the prosecuting attorney challenged the amount saying a more realistic fee um for the homicide defense would be this is crazy for would be between 70 and 100 000 he wants her paying much more yeah she says uh he says quote there's a whole segment of the population out there who are paying for this defendant's defense and the 15 000 estimate looks like a 1985 uh bill judge it's 2008 it's gonna cost more than that bullshit so they said they set a hearing for it later on and whatever the judge felt uh very very well respected being corrected like right thanks asshole oh just 2008 really you motherfucker thanks dude appreciate it we're gonna have a chat me and you look at my calendar in there so she appeals uh quickly on this she says that uh

her main points are whether the district court properly allowed expert reports. She was saying there shouldn't have been any expert reports on the flower, on this, on all the forensics. She said, how is that? How do you have literally they were challenging like there's no expertise in like that's the type of crazy shit they were saying. Like they were really grasping at straws. In 2008, there was CSI has been on the air for eight years. They are mad professionals at this point. The prosecutor said it was a CSI case.

That was his statement. The other thing she's saying is that her whole campaign of trying to, all the letters and emails and all that, should have not been admissible because she's saying that's part of a separate act. And that separate act that she's not charged for here shouldn't be involved in this obviously the prosecution's saying well that's all one act with the murder right you don't see so if you rape and murder someone that's separate charges well i wanted to rape them and those were separate thoughts i had yeah no they'd all go together

that's the point you did this in order to do that. Right. So she says no. And that goes on a big argument. They really take like they try real hard here to do this. She also says that the officers shouldn't have searched the saddlebags found on the motorcycle in the garage because the motorcycle was not specifically listed in the search warrant as one of the vehicles. It says whole property, house, garage, this vehicle, that vehicle, this vehicle. But the motorcycle is not on there. It's in the garage. It's in the vehicles. It says whole property, house, garage, this vehicle, that vehicle, this vehicle, but the motorcycle's not on there. Listen, it's in the garage. It's in the garage. Her contention is that it exceeded the scope of the warrant by looking into the

saddlebag. If the gun wasn't sitting on the fucking handlebars, where is it then? You have to look inside things, for Christ's sake. You just look at the toolbox? You don't look in it? Yeah. It's the same thing. It's in the fucking garage. Yeah, otherwise you just hide things under things and nobody can ever find anything oh you're innocent i guess it was under the bed oh damn it as long as you don't leave it on the kitchen table

i guess you're fine so they said that uh uh the district court denied that holding that the premises to be searched were described with particularity including the attached garage and that a search of the garage and whatever containers and receptacles were located in the garage that might hold a firearm related to the death of bill was were permissible which is makes a perfect fucking sense here um so yeah she uh she also she says that um so fucking ridiculous she said that her attorney was ineffective in limiting the scope on which evidence could be considered by the jury. So to not limit,

he didn't limit the scope enough. Basically, he didn't get all of the forensic evidence excluded and all of the computer evidence and all the evidence that she left behind. So that's his fault. It's his fault there's a mountain. Yeah, it's like, look, bitch, they've got all this. Yeah, it's his fault there's a mountain yeah it's like look bitch they've got all this yeah it's it's nothing i can do yeah you take one you take five things out of

that she doesn't matter it doesn't matter no this is a complete jenga thing you can take a shitload of pieces out and that bitch still stands and you know exactly what the fuck it is yeah you know it's a it's not a pile of jenga it's a fucking standing thing you take five things out of a jenga you could punch it and it's not going anywhere it's solid as shit so the judge disagreed he said there was evidence presented a trial indicating email accounts in the name of her had been created by you uh also that your dna is fucking everywhere and it shouldn't have been obviously and that your main defense is that your husband committed suicide was asinine crazy yeah and not raised by the attorney charged with presenting the appeal because he said how the fuck would you shoot someone in the back of the head with no gunshot residue i can't present that to a judge and expect them to i gotta i'm gonna be

disbarred no i gotta i gotta work here like i come here all the time this guy's gonna go into a room with bars? Yeah, you're never going to see this asshole again. I got to come back in front of him and, you know, be embarrassed that I tried to pull this shit off in his court. He's never going to look at me the same. He's going to look at me like a jerk off the rest of my life. I'm going to be representing a kid for theft and he didn't do it in the judge's. Remember that time?

Come on, man. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So it's nuts so the decision here he writes in his decision that uh the any evidence that her husband committed suicide was scant at best contradicted by a number of facts including that a husband was shot in the back of the head while laying on the bed his body was moved after death drops of blood were found either under the sheet were found under the sheet that covered him the gun was nowhere near the bed where he was shot or even in the bedroom it's really difficult to shoot yourself in the back of the

head with a fucking through and through right comes out with brain matter and then get up and put the gun in your saddlebag in the garage and go back to your fucking house and back to bed that's impressive i gotta go die yeah i don't even want to get up to piss when i have to and then i wake up start a laundry project and be like i don't have time to do this i'm bleeding out yeah it's it's ridiculous he said this evidence was acknowledged unchallenged and notably unexplained by the defense you ma'am may continue to fuck off for a very long time including right now where she is an inmate of the montana women's prison at 701 south 27th street in billings, Montana. They have a phone number. I don't know why you want to call them.

But you can call and say that she's an asshole if you want. It's 406-247-5100. Hey, good morning. Is Ann still there? You got Ann there? Yeah. Ann Miller still there? Great.

Total dick, right? That's what I thought. I thought so. I knew it. I knew it. She's a fucking liar. So that is Darby Montana. Hey, has Ann started some counseling yet?

Is she available for her to talk? So that's Darby Montana. And that is a wild case. Like, this was a take a break from the gore week. Because it's Halloween month, so we're going to have a couple crazy ones here coming up at the end. But I was like, let's have a twisted story. You know, one of these like mr murder mystery movies rather than certainly hate somebody hard yeah and then shift it completely to somebody else that's a great story when that happens somebody hard for deserved none of it none of it she's just saying she shouldn't have screwed a married guy but that's not her

problem she's not married to him that's his fucking fault so he's she's just banging her high school sweetheart what do you know oh boy so hope you enjoyed that montana hope you guys liked being back again sorry it took two years to get back to you you do have a crazy state so we should talk about it more if you like that show get on apple podcast that purple icon and tell us all about it please it helps us out a lot because you're not really telling us about it you're telling others about it because when people look for shows to listen to they look at reviews right they do they go well what's that you know and they see so it helps a lot to have those reviews on there so thank you guys freako fark yeah don't just write freako fark write something half decent and then and then end it

with freako fark like freako freako fark wrote it so do that please screen name freako fark oh it's going to be somebody's twitter handle by the end of the day. You know it. By midnight tonight, Arizona time, someone will have a Freak-O-Fark fucking Twitter handle. I love that we found out how bad you are at license plates. I'm the worst at them, dude. He's so dumb. Based on a screen name.

I am license plate illiterate. I am worse at license plates than you are at producers. Fucking terrible at it. That's not your fault because you're trying to read real words. And you're trying to make real words out of not real words. And I'm over here trying to make real words out of real fucking words. And I can't do it. But names don't make sense, though.

They're in other languages. I get it. There are no freak-a-farks in here. No, no no none of those things there so uh yes do all of that here if you want to be i'll actually we'll get to that part if you uh want to follow the show do that also and social media we are at murder small on twitter at small town pod on facebook and at uh small town murder on instagram here um and if you head over to shut up and giveMeMurder.com,

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If you haven't seen it yet, present for bachelors for bachelorettes all incarcerated. Yeah. And I choose the they're incarcerated for terrible things. None of these people. None of it. And I make sure I look. I make sure nobody's you know, the story doesn't sound sketchy. Like I make sure these are terrible people that have done awful things.

Okay. So find those. We'll show you guys the pictures of them and you'll hear the description. You'll get to see Jimmy make his selection process sight unseen, of course, and more importantly, crime unseen. Yes. And he will select one lucky one lucky fella and one lucky lady. Right.

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That said, damn it, Jimmy. After this dirty, filthy story, I need to hear some people who would never, ever start a campaign of intimidation and falsities to make us feel paranoid in our own homes and then shoot us in the back of the head and try to make it look like a suicide. Hit me with the names, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Jeff Thompson, William Valencia, Melissa Swigert donated both ways.

Thank you very much. Amanda Jackson, Nicole Hodgson, James Hooper, Danica Ferner, Tim Peterson, Thomas Smith, Clay Thorson. Thank you very much. Thanks, Clay. You're the best. He goes above and beyond constantly. I can't thank you enough, man. Thank you.

Thank you. Melissa Turner. And also in memory of Deidre, who was the victim of the ultimate domestic violence. It's fucking horrific. But thank you very much, Melissa. Thank you. Keep your friend Deidre alive via that. Jordan Bennett, Zach Warburton, Joseph Nygaard, I think.

And boy, oh boy, I hope so. Marissa Cole and other producers this week are Laura Fields, Laura McCullough, Kimberly Morelong, Angie Clements, Joshua Neil Clements, Melinda C... What did I do? C... Cgdo? Nope. That's not right. There's probably another S in there that I'm missing. And this one's even worse. Bishigobadabudabue. That's not right either.

Bishigogob... I'm going to give it a go. Your tongue gave up in the middle of that name. Bishigogobabuque. That's not right either, but thank you. I'm going to give it a go. Your tongue gave up in the middle of that name. They should go Bob Quay. Yeah. That's right, either, but thank you. And Catherine Goistel. Nick Burke. Nope, that's Zach.

What the fuck? Daniel Uliula. Loretta Crouch. Martha Radley. Haley Miller. Maura Poser, I think. Yeah. Pozek.

Hey. That's it. Jacob, she's not. Jesus. Jacob Holt, S. White. That's not her first name. It's just an S, period. White. Like Harry S. Truman.

Right. Hunter S. Thompson. Elizabeth Geiger, Ellen Weber, Bonnie Yarborough, Susan Furman, Nathan Boyes, Scott Lack, Christy Biley, I think, Brooke Foster, Brandon Morgan, Tamara Sammer, Matt Webster, of the Webster fortune, obviously. Those dictionaries make a shitload of money.

Kelly Escobar, Brandon Morgan, Tamara Sammer, I said that. Matt with no last name, Joshua Anderson, Catherine Goolsby, Goolsby, Laura LeBlanc,

Bradley Hughes, Eric Hansen, Stacey Freiss, or Freeze, Justin Long, Caroline Stahlgren. Carolyn, probably. That's a proper woman's name right there, Stahlgren. I don't know.

Danny Burgess. That's what I do in my head while I'm writing this. I'm like, that's a proper gal there. I have no fucking idea. That's a hell of a name there. Never met her. Carol Dolgan. Danny Burgess.

I said that. What is this poib fair todd prince shanika freeman colin dean uh mj jur jur jul arbol jul julabar jul arbol god damn it stephanie cerniak uh eden kosar kosar kosar is that eden or eater i don't know robert robert larson uh katie white cecilia erickson rebecca oxford oh the oxford dictionary oh jesus they're fighting so much hey listen guys we're not going to take a side we're not going to take a side in the dictionary where i know you want us to webster like the half fields and mccoy i mean we're not going to do it you guys put whatever words you want in there because i mean then we got to get into the britannica people

they also want to take theirs like we're not fucking doing it which whichever one has uh has whatnot in it is the one that can go fuck themselves chase uh with no last name misha robinson rebecca johnston shay lynn warren dustin thornton uh tiffany madori or mador matter i don't know chris bettered uh mckenzie hole joe with no last name elizabeth grade michelle fournier laura fritch brianna gallagher whitney lentz jason bird i hate cream of mushroom don't blame you i listen uh i don't know gross it makes some if you mix it with other things i think it's okay you don't want to eat it with a spoon i think green bean casserole is the only thing that it makes outside of that nobody eats that shit the casserole eat his lasagna that person's on to ziti or something ashley with no last name alex zanger uh cameron

burke dana miller chief stride laurie blair michael malitz eye of the newt aurora borealis i guess she's a witch rachel schmidt nick lalogia eli jones i know that was uh that was a lot of there's a lot of assumption. Monty Python. Well, it was a Monty Python. Right. Yeah, I get it. Lauren M. Thorpe, Aaron Siestra, Corinne Cook, Benjamin, Benjamin with an E. I don't know.

Amanda Schahheim, S-J-A-A-Heim. Schah, right? Yeah. Jesus. Jules Bro Damaris Crump Love Bond That's easy.

Victoria Blocker Taylor Zuber Adam Slade Bennett Selena Herrera CJ with no last name Holly Barnes Emily Evans Joe Pezzi

Pezzi, right? Danielle Jindra Jindra Ruth Twing Candice Olevnik, G. Wayne Peterson, Meredith Honkanen, who also sent a really nice email. And for whatever reason in my head, I can't remember it right now. It was great. Thank you, Meredith. Appreciate you.

Ray Sanders, Brett Arkin, Chase Twigg. No, it's Cassie. Sorry. Jesus. Breanne Poland. Wow, a big difference. No, it's Cassie. Sorry. Jesus. Breanne Poland. Wow, big difference. That's a different gender entirely. Maybe.

Who knows? Again, assuming. We a witch? A lot of us are. Jamie Carter, Alicia with no last name, Ashley B., Mac, nope, that's Maz C., Jose, is that Jose? uh jose is that jose uh liz araga uh leah dickie ernestine bien ami uh aaron and matthew may adam cheney slum nuts mike swede natalie elrod don juarez uh michael kirwan molly jimerson matt bush darren nope yeah darren duron maybe peterson page stup Stupienski. Christopher Sietz.

Mahazin Amin. You're on a roll, Jimmy. I know. Jason McFadden. Go, Jimmy, go. Olivia Hanna. Dawson Rubb. I think that's Rubb.

Two Bs is Rubb, yeah. Meredith. No, that's Mr. Middletown and Silly Lily. Bob Had a Boy and It's a Boy, obviously. Wow. Well, they wrote it all together. Bob Had a Baby, It's a Boy. What was that? One and a Half to Collect? You said Bob Had a Boy, It's a Boy. Did I? but i had a baby it's a boy what was that when i had to collect you said bob had a boy it's a boy did i say it's about the boy it's a boy

listen i'm a dummy uh amanda feliciano uh tammy smith olivia hannah i said that dawson robb i said that uh brad miller jim wells leslie graham i think that yep yep, yep. Amanda Huber, Angelilia? Angelella. Fuck. Kendra Reeder, Colin Burke. All those. Yeah. Well, listen, if you can hear this, I am struggling. My fucking ribs are crushing me. Nicole Bauman, Vicki Brown, Abby Puckett, Grant Sullivan, Ashes Murray, Murphy, Glenn Swain, Beck Slack, Veronica Elwood, Lindsay Wilson, Nick LeBeclouf, Zachariah Harris, Kimberly Keller, Kaylee Koudoulis uh monica lemmings hayley widgett weigant

charles young jason uh pruest brooke with no last name dylan shaw jordan simmons bruce friedlander did i say jordan bennett in the other one i think i did ah jordan bennett say her again you know she's the best i just saw jordan i was like i don't know that i read that bruce friedlander uh jason mcfadden uh pay paydy ke Josh Doyen, Jesus, Guy Amster, door-to-door salesman, Lisa Leach, or Jeech. That's what that is. It's a J, not an L. They're spelled a different way. James Wines, Anna with no last name, John with no last name, Ron McClaskey, Beth Casto, Adam Tunnell, Erica Fox, Angela Hayes, Teresa Green, Tom McLeod, Laurel Clark, Megan Spivey, Cameron S., Sherry Harrington, Slug Bugley, Amy Navarette, Kaylee Curtis, Kayla Quarles, Natalie Thompson, Jane Stradwick, Avery Pollack, M. Johnson, Abby Golder, Jen Holder, Betsy Nelson, Primeca, Rich, Emily Dennis, Jess Fiumana, Rochelle Hurd, Amanda Lohman, Holly Scott-Jones, Michelle

Frazik, Marcy Abrams, Wyatt Anderson, Elizabeth Rapp. Holy shit, we're not done yet? God damn it, this hurts. These people are awesome. Yeah, thank you guys so much. Patrick Hovey, Arana, nope, that's Hannah. Hannah Hicks, Mallory Fanton, Andrea Hansen, Hannah Hannah Orme, Tori Durden, Katie Fee, Celeste Seibert, Abby Lowendowski, Catherine Merchant, Melissa Lowe, Deborah Tarum, Isaac Abara,

Scott Boussain, Jillian Clannan, Gabriel Balsaz, Christopherzaz. That's a tough one, man. Christopher Turnbull. Sarah with no last name. Noah Satisball. Satisball. Satisball. Satisball, right? Because it's Spanish. Yeah.

Not sad as a ball. Not sad as a ball. Probably not. Not sad like my balls. Not like a license plate. Sad like a 40-year-old's balls. Sad like my sagging balls. Megan Cook. Christopher Turnbull. I said that, Nicole Rooney, Harry Penis, of course, Melissa

Ricks, Jenny Bukowski, Dana Eastman, Walker Mock, Kira McCoutatis, Elijah Vale, Ariel Childress, I know, Sundance Laforte, Lil Drumgold, Jamie Hensley, Elizabeth Long, Paul O'Callaghan, Jorge Torres, Laurie Smith, Ola Cerniaka, Dakota Harrington, Greg Cox, Juan Chito Suarez, Rachel Sincere, Ashley Vio, James Marder, Megan Van Sweden, Wayne Cooper, Pretty Bookworm, Ashlyn Dean, Thomas Smith, Susanna Platt, Camille Heath-Pritchard, Ryan Cook, Cesar Oregon, Frank Tripodi, Peyton Meadows, Issa Kafina, Sean Lucas, Andrew Hughes, Rachel Becker, Olivier Oliver, God damn it, McKenzie, Janice Craft, Ryanyan moss is a bitch i don't know if you know that wow i know that's aggressive uh kiara uh holland wait britney lewis amanda knight eric warnham caitlin and angela george washington king all right shelby landolt landolt uh elizabeth zohar katie hennessey rachel nope that's that's Elizabeth Fernandez. Lindsay Gilbert, Monica. What is this? Monique DeLuffy. Monkey.

Monkey DeLuffy. I don't know. Heather Overhouse, Darius and Zozja. What? Koronzuski. Wow. Probably not. Carly Mann, Krista Medler.

Bren. What is this? Bren Kolmara. Kolmeca. I don't know what I wrote. If that's an RRisa or or zanell kumala hey hey now got it lisa mueller i don't know michelle kelso julia schuster alissa lanelle and marie bacon lauren with no last name jake holt darnell nicks zachary comew david barnhart janiceice Hill, Delinda Andrews. Hang in there, girl.

She sent an email that was brutal, man. Hang in there. Sorry about that. It's going to get better, I hope. Katarzyna Niedzolka. I'm getting fucking great at that one. Abdul John. Anne-Marie Bacon.

I said that. Darnu Nix. Nick Romeo or Romeo. Zoe Borders. Mike Tappy. Cassie McMahon. Shane Anderson, Corey with no last name, Mac Ray, Jake Holt, Megan Ariza, Lauren Vogt, Alex with no last name, Shannon Kampf, Maria Peek, Shawnee Boswell, Lisa Olson in honor of Pregnancy Loss Awareness Month. I don't know if you know that was this month. I didn't.

Alyssa Linnell, Brendan Ables, Nancy Little, Oscar Cortez, and Sanal, what? Sanal is seaweed. Nintini. Somebody named it. Closing strong, Jimmy. Thank you guys, truly. You changed my life. Thank you, everybody, so much.

Honestly, you changed our goddamn lives. Thank you from the Truly. You, you, you changed my life. Thank you everybody so much. Honestly, you've changed our goddamn lives. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. We really, really do appreciate it. We appreciate everything. Jimmy, what if they wanted to talk to you?

How can they do that? You can find me at Wisman sucks. W H I S M A N sucks on Twitter and Instagram. What about you? I am at Jimmy P is funny and you can find me there. Just copy and paste my last name and you'll find me places that way. You can google or do whatever the fuck you want to do go on the sites i don't know do your shit thank you for hanging out with us hope you enjoyed the story next two coming up are goddamn crazy for halloween so buckle up everybody can't wait it's gonna be wild and uh

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