Small Town Murder - #202 - A Very Murderous Christmas in Barnesville, Georgia

Episode Date: December 17, 2020

This week, in Barnesville, Georgia, a gruesome Christmas Eve discovery has investigators processing a crime scene & doing autopsies on Christmas morning. What they find is equally obvious & absurd. A thin plot, somehow covered up for longer than it should have been, but questions still remain. At least we got a new Christmas song out of it! Along the way, we find out that Georgia never forgets, that 9 months pregnant women can apparently be very dangerous, and that a decomposing corpse is the worst gift to unwrap!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasting See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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People are dead. So we're going to talk about it and we're going to make jokes. families it's the people are dead so we're going to talk about it and we're going to make jokes what we don't do though is we don't make jokes at the expense of the victim or the victim's family because we're assholes yes but we're not scumbags that's how it works there's plenty to make fun of around a crazy murder the thought let's well we should kill that person right there there's comedy in that what are you thinking yeah that's the whole point right away so everything around it now we make fun of small towns because why not yeah we're gonna do where i'm from pretty soon and i'll make fun of it horribly and

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Oh, yeah, yeah. And they embrace it. They do. They do. That's the thing. And when all of our listeners who are from there, they're all like, oh, thank God you're doing my state. That town is nuts. You avoid it because yeah they all

have the worst stories than we do about the places which is great so today we're going on down to georgia yep down to barnesville georgia is that where the devil is from uh probably i mean there's probably a couple of them down there johnny played his fiddle well we'll find out it's what that one of the nicknames that somebody on Wikipedia gave it, as we'll talk about here. Oh, boy. It's interesting. So this is in central Georgia and a little off to the west, about an hour to Atlanta, about 45 minutes to Macon.

So it's in the middle of those two places. So kind of people around there should know where this is. And it's about two hours and 20 minutes to Rome, Georgia, which was our last Georgia episode. It's been a long time. Wow. Episode 150, which was December 18th, 2019. So almost a year ago to the day, and I didn't do that on purpose.

I missed that one. That's a good story. Yeah, the Rome one was a really good story. Go back and check that out. This is in Lamar County, area code 770. It's six square miles, so not a big town, not a small town. You know, a lot of there's kind of spreads out into the ruralness. There's some trailers out there in them woods.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Lightning bugs. Yeah. Yeah, a little lightning bug action. The motto of this town, and this is what they really embrace here, is that it's the, quote, buggy capital of the South. Okay. They made buggies for horses, quote, buggy capital of the South. Okay.

They made buggies for horses. Oh, those kind of buggies. Yeah. Not anything to brag about in the last, I don't know, century or so. Wells Fargo doesn't even use it anymore. On the logo. Yeah. But that's the only place.

And they park it in the lobby of their headquarters and laugh about it. Yeah, they probably got it from here. Yeah. They were like, that's the last one before the whole production line shut down and also on wikipedia somebody has a definite thing on wikipedia and i looked it up and i was trying to find stuff but it's they i don't know how it's more more than any other place there uh it's known as quote most racist city in georgia oh so i was like okay well that seems like uh i don't know i looked it up and i'm like i mean there, there's some, yeah, there's race.

There's a lot of racist shit in the history, but it's Georgia. I mean, yeah, let's be realistic. That's I expect that in Georgia. Like you look at Georgia history and you're surprised if there's you read a whole story and you're like, wow, no one got lynched. That was nice. You're happy about it. Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama.

Yeah. That's sorry, people. But that's what happened down there. It's not our fault. So history here. Barnesville itself was founded in 1826, named for Gideon Barnes, who ran a tavern. That's how the town started. Yeah, they named after the guy who ran the tavern. So this is like Al Swearengin, and they were like, yeah, good job.

He has the best ladies of the night. We should definitely name a town after him. It's like if Springfield, where the Simpsons live, was called Moe's Town. Moe's Town. Moeville. So in 1920, Barnesville was designated the seat of the county. So they have all the papers there. Barnesville served as a hospital site for wounded southern troops during

the civil war the whole town was basically turned into a hospital site it's what it was uh all in the local houses they didn't have like a lot of hospitals down there that they just used this as a place to kind of a central clearing house to bring soldiers in and put them in local people's houses and the local people would take care of them because there was no other nothing else to do there so they took them in and treated them and they said actually this area had higher successful uh recovery rates than most places that they would do this with for some reason so i don't know they're good they're good at doctoring they're good at making shit stare around these parts i don't know what they're doing but um the town up until kind of the turn of the 20th century the town was producing about 9 000 buggies a year wow which i mean pre like assembly line henry ford that's a seems seems like a lot

hand-built buggies that seems they look pretty intricate they look like a thing accordion looking thing coming off the back yeah those wheels. A lot of work. Leaf springs for the suspension. A lot of work in that. Yeah. I mean, the inside of it, it looks like they... Have you ridden in one in Central Park before? I've seen it.

It's just a bench. It's nothing special. I've ridden them. They're pretty comfortable, though. There's not much bounce. No, no. Yeah, it's got the shocks. Yeah, they're soft.

That's good. That makes sense why you'd want one. So there you go. It was either that or ride the horse, I guess. You'd have to... I imagine after a few miles, those things get worn out pretty well though yeah like a dirt road yeah well i guess even i know it's not the same thing exactly but on the oregon trail you'd lose an axle and you'd lose a yeah you know a wheel's gonna fall off break the fucking wheels are made of wood so at some point yeah you hit a rock rock versus wood right rock wins i mean the woods wrapped with a steel band but even still it's still wood back there that's all together rock

paper scissors if you threw fucking wood in there wood's gonna lose yeah it's a rock i think every time probably rock goes right through wood you're gonna say you're gonna argue about it and shit rock splinters wood yeah so uh each year in the third week of September. So they do it like almost like Thanksgiving. Yeah. The town hosts an annual buggy days celebration, which, you know, we'll discuss at the end of the year. Yeah.

It's great. Now, on the morning of April 28th, 2011, at 1238 a.m., an F3 tornado came through this town. Everybody asleep. Oh, yeah. 140 mile an hour winds touched down here, which was not here, but near here. Tornado went on to destroy a bunch of homes in Barnesville. Two deaths in Barnesville were attributed to the tornado.

The tornado also destroyed a Chevron gas station. Just spraying. to the tornado the tornado also destroyed a chevron gas station just spraying i just pictured for some reason packs of cigarettes and shit being sprayed to people finding like i got a pack of marlboro nuts in my lawn for some reason what the hell's going there's another one i don't smoke camel wads a pack of cools and shit just don't make no sense i don't understand little bottles of fucking yeah what is this five hour energy scattered all over my little bottles of five hour energy and fireball all over my lawn why is that here i don't understand what the hell is this a tasmanian devil keychain it's like the counter of a 7-eleven up in here i don't understand what's going on but i got all the iphone chargers i need

now i got everything this is terrific look at that nine ten of these things android i got it all they're shitty and brought fuchsia ain't gonna work very well if i pull on it it's gonna break but still i got them so uh the three tractor trailers were blown off interstate 75 at one o'clock in the morning that's serious shit that's a lot of wind that's a lot this tornado was part of the 2011 super outbreak oh that sounds pleasant that's what you want why would you even live somewhere where that's even possible outbreak of tornadoes i don't want to be around an outbreak of tornadoes it's a super outbreak that's horrifying that sounds like something superman and batman need to team up on right and you know get the hulk involved there's a lot of we need to get all the super friends and on this one i feel like i don't

understand how these newfangled superheroes either like old school it's the second that you see that happening how do you not go climate's not changing that's fucking crazy it's all messed up it was uh the outbreak was the largest costliest and one of the deadliest tornado outbreaks ever recorded took place along the southern Midwestern and even all the way up to the northeast. It was like a whole. Everything's fine. It's all good, right? That's normal. You know, tornadoes don't happen like anywhere else on the fucking planet except for America for some reason.

What is our problem? Nowhere else. There's all sorts of weird things and deserts and mountains and climates and strange shit but we have the one strange combination that causes swirly winds to suck people into the sky this is fucked 140 miles an hour i just thought of our listeners in like australia you're thinking about it's like an abstract thought that shit is crazy have you seen twister it's a terrible movie but have you seen it that is frightening boobs are there for a minute that's nothing to write home about i was 12 14 it was a good time in my life i enjoyed it should have been looking for something other than helen hunt i don't know like i like helen

hunt in a white italian 14 looking at helen What the hell is wrong with you? I was watching that movie. You were 14. I was watching like. She's the piece of ass in the movie. No, she's not. In that movie, she is. In that movie, Bill fucking Paxman's the piece of ass. Philip Seymour Hoffman's the piece of ass in that movie.

There really is no attractive people in that movie. Let's be honest here. Let's be honest. I love Philip Seymour Hoffman a lot. Jesus, Jimmy was whacking it to hell not necessarily my whole you just blew my mind you don't understand whatever murder happens that won't be as crazy i just like her in a in a in a wife beater now everyone's going to be sending you seductive hell and hunt pictures which is hilarious

so what are you gonna do if you got philip seymour hoffman's i'll take those two that guy's great so he's like some talent on that guy and helen hunt very fun yeah she's hilarious so uh the event not only affected alabama and mississippi the most severely but also lots of tornadoes in georgia arkansas tennessee virginia in total 360 tornadoes were confirmed holy my balls in 21 states from texas to new york 21 21 states what year 2011 2011 um april 27th was the most active day with a record set with 216 tornadoes touching down from that day midnight to midnight everything's fine wow four of the tornadoes were destructive enough to be f5 holy five which is nuts the highest ranking possible there and uh typically they're only recorded about once a year or less the tornado that bad instead of you know multiple in the same day in total 348 people were killed sweet christ 348

people that's a lot of people. To fast wind. To fast wind. That's how dangerous that is. 324 tornadoes and then another 24 caused by the thunderstorms around them with winds, hail, flash flooding, and lightning strikes. Electrocutions. Barnesville was the setting, it was filmed here anyway, for the 2018 HBO miniseries Sharp sharp objects with amy adams you see that one we watched it it's okay it's it's done really well and she's really good in it but it's a movie it's

a documentary no no no it's not a documentary it's like this it's it's it's pretty dark which is cool there's a murder it's it's done really well too it's a good job but anyway it's a lot of people have seen it on hbo there they filmed most of the exterior shit here is the town was supposed to be wind gap missouri which doesn't exist but they used barnesville as the as the the kind of crappy small town she went back to to investigate this thing so that's what this is this is a crappy small town people leave and then all right go back to and go oh man weird man, weird. Remember this? Remember this? Gordon State College is here, and that has about 3,000 students plus, somewhere in there between three and four. I have a few reviews of the town here.

They're pretty lame, honestly. I have a three-star here. The options for food and drink here aren't awful if you aren't picky. Okay. What? So as long as you're willing to just go roll with the punches you'll find something to eat as long as you eat everything yeah you'll find something there are no fancy restaurants by any means the only things open later mcdonald's and huddle house whatever

the hell that is that sounds gross um i think of puddle which makes me think of piss which i don't want to food around it yeah get the food away from that piss puddle please that's what i think of yeah or jizz which is worse yeah uh there's nothing to do at night especially not drinking which I don't want to food around it. Get the food away from that piss puddle, please. That's what I think of. Yeah, or jizz, which is worse. There's nothing to do at night, especially not drinking or clubbing. Oh, darn. Three stars, another one. The majority of people that live here work out of town,

especially if you have a career unless you're a teacher. Some work at the schools. Well, I would assume. Thank God. Someone's got to work there. Employment is stable. May as well be the teachers. I mean, someone's got to work at the schools. stable be the teachers i mean someone's got to work at the schools just people nobody's working in the school it's just an open building we got a mechanic being the teacher because we got no teachers and he does it in the shop

they come down he stands up on the lift and he talks to the kids he said uh employment is stable but not really growing it's hard to find a job because there aren't many openings and nothing is improving that's not it sounds like a small town three star here's two stars the local businesses include restaurants to boutiques there are 11 people give you the rundown of the fast food yeah there are a few big name fast food restaurants and some family-owned restaurants there's a one dollar general in some basic stores like walgreens and cvs if you need anything specific you'll have to drive at least 20 minutes out of our town our city is very

small and there aren't many options uh options whether you are choosing food or necessities okay um then i found for some reason this they have the worst i think it sounds like they have a terrible mcdonald's there there because the reviews are not good. And it jumped out. It was really up at the top of the Google here. Search for the things. There's one review here, and it is the worst McDonald's ever. D.D. Mullis in Atlanta, Georgia.

And he's got 375 thumbs up on it. Oh, he's right. Yes. A quote, I travel 75,000 miles each year and to find the worst McDonald's in America, I simply had to drive 65 miles from my home. The restaurant was very dirty

and the food was very bland and the service was awful. Well, it was McDonald's. Talk about the food. You're shocked. You're like, it was clean and the food was good. If you get decent McDonald's, you're like, that wasn't bad.

Wow. I had ordered and paid at the kiosk. Those behind the counter seemed clueless that I had ordered and paid. I finally got the attention of a manager who got my order. Worst McDonald's ever. That's what did it? But everybody, a lot of the reviews are just like dirty and and gross and people are mean like nasty okay you know not caring employees so you mean it's mcdonald's and the food's gross yeah and the people there

are angry that they have to serve the shit food for shit money that's what you should expect yeah i would assume so but i feel like for some reason this one seems to be rising above the average well it's all of that james and it's dirty that's the problem that's the thing you can have all of that with a clean restaurant people put up with that shit that that just reflects on the employees and how they feel about the place if it's filthy exactly i'm not gonna think of a mop for the same money i find it no i find it odd that most of the compliments or complaints and all of these reviews are like fucking fast food related you notice that every review we have they only have this fast food they list them this fucking rb sucks it's so we need to get our shit together

as a country as a people yeah we need to look ourselves no as a country other countries they don't review shit like that i mean it's us our country as a people yes we the people need to look at ourselves and go you're the fucking problem and go that burger is not sitting well on you and i love burgers i'm not saying they're my favorite it shouldn't be your main focus in the town of what burgers they have just look in the mirror and say i'm better than this exactly and then live that way that's what i'm saying people of this town 6,553 people right now so a little over a good amount six to six and a half thousand up 38 percent since 1990 so people move in here because it's the burbs you know uh 20 percent is are the people here are 18 to 20

years old it's usually four percent because this is a college so that throws everything way out of whack and also it's twice the 85 and over crowd so old people live long here female and male populations way out of whack 55 female almost 56 so guys if you're looking for a small college to go to it seems like the ratio is pretty decent at gordon state for you uh median age in this town 25.6 like we said but there's a lot of old people here too half the married population is normal you're gonna get these are all you know off from the college stats but uh single with no children 25 it's usually 10 so there you go those are college kids they're going to school single with children 23 it's usually 15 so there's also they're having some kids yeah so uh that's fine uh race of this town different than usual for us for a small town murder here, 33% white, 60.4% black, and 0.2% Asian, and 1.5% Hispanic. Fascinating.

Very, very low. So, yeah, it's like half the white people, 5% of the Hispanic people, and then most of the black people. That's great. Yeah, southern town. So you never know. Could be a lot of people and then unbelievable amount of black people yeah southern town so uh you never know could be a lot of white people could be more black people that's kind of how southern towns go that's a good point yeah it's kind of one or the other uh 63.5 percent of the people here are religious it is georgia it is deep deep this is what you would call deep georgia too they love it yes 63 percent uh 63 and a half percent 20 percent of them are baptists because as we know baptists are the catholics of the south and that's just how it goes but uh there's actually more methodists here it's a methodist area 30 almost

36 percent methodist here baptists and methodists dominating horrifying absolutely that's but there's only 5.6 percent pentecostal so the snakes are put away for now so that's okay yes we make fun of all religions so enjoy 0.0 percent jewish said um no apparently there's no talmudic studies courses at gordon state probably i don't know if they offer that to try to draw a lot of hebrew class not that that's what all jewish people are looking for but i'm just saying i think they're like we don't need to offer that right there's not any jewish people here 0.0 percent islam as well unemployment rates about normal for now um household income though is where it's we get a discrepancy normally it's 57 000 here it is 26

158 what but you're getting college kids also. So it's kind of... Hopefully they're getting some grants or some stipends. Yeah, they're going to bring down the... Them and the senior citizens are going to bring down your... I just don't know how you live on that. That's difficult. That's for a household too. 30% of the people make under $15,000 a year.

There's your students and your elderly. Over 55% of the people here make $30,000 or less a year there's your students and your elderly 50 over 55 percent of the people here make 30 000 or less a year that's absurd households that's fucking bonkers that's wild it's not fair it's bad uh cost of living here too 100 is average national average here it's 80 and uh the low thing though is housing housing's. Housing's a 34. Okay. Which is very low. Median home cost here, $79,900. It's just over 40% of the houses are worth less than $100,000 a year. This is affordable, we'll say.

And if we've convinced you, damn it, I don't know how, but we've convinced you to move to Barnesville, we have for you the Barnesesville georgia real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here is seven hundred dollars a month i assume the rental market's decent actually because of the college i found a two-bedroom one bath one thousand four square foot starter home here. Tiny. Not great. Eye-searing yellow. Oh, no. I mean, there's house white, white, white, and then this house is like, whoa.

You could see it from a satellite photo. It is yellow. It's a piece of shit. $27,900, though. So it's got a roof. So there you go. Three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,929 square feet. Wow. So that's a little bigger. That's you go. Three bedroom, two bath, 1929 square feet. Wow.

So that's a little bigger. That's like a family home. A couple of kids. Get yourself a footprint that the twister can't take. There you go. Except you don't have to wait a minute because it looks like they just need to clear away the crime scene tape and then you'll have the home of your dreams. Yeah.

It looks like a family was recently murdered there. Probably. We're going to have to paint over the blood. Yeah. The blood and the beds everywhere. It's on the ceiling. We're going to have to paint over this. There's a little stripe where it clearly pulled the axe back.

Someone want to do a spatter pattern on this? Did they convict the guy? $56,900 for this little gem. Then I found, let's say you're the, I don't know, you make all the buggies. You're Mr. Buggy you're mr buggy mr buggy uh three bedroom three bath 3576 square feet wow very nice big old southern porch with like almost like a gazebo on the one side yeah spires pretty beautiful looks like a southern governor's house or something like he'd be sipping lemonade yeah making racist comments off the front

porch 375 000 that's like the nicest house in town yeah it sounds like it not bad things to do here barnesville buggy days hell yeah of course jesus christ does everybody own a buggy and there's a parade they just have a thing down yeah it says with original events such as hog calling i don't like that at all hog calling i don't like that at all i will repeat it i don't like that at all. I will repeat it. I don't like that at all. What is that? It's that,

and they make fucking horrible noise. But do the hogs actually come? Yes, they respond to it. Oh, I've seen that on SportsCenter where they make fun of like, check this 400-pound man. I don't like this. With like,

this 400-pound man with meat on his shirt. Right. There's a hunk of it. I don't know how it's stuck there but it obviously fell out he has a ham steak on his shoulder that's super weird he's saving it for later wagon pulling i don't know if that's by person yeah if you just put it on your shoulders and rickshaw that shit choir competitions and even a fiddle contest well fucking yeehaw wing ding diddly doo jimmy there's a fiddle contest after the pit of the hog call

oh man that's too exciting now what if they're at the same time because i don't know which i'm gonna sign up for because i mean i do have a hog call to see i got that down but then at the same time i've been working on my fiddle faddle so i don't know how that's gonna work out either i figure i don't know see if i can sign up for both i do love a good oh jesus you gotta love a fiddling i love a fiddling like a diddling jimmy anybody that can fiddle really well it's super violin it's impressive yeah it's just like you they start playing start fiddling then i'm just like all right let's get to the rest of the song like when's the bass drop never never just him can we get the beat now nope the annual street dance was there in 2019 with music featuring featuring music by the master

blasters oh boy and fireworks display and it's held at the rodeo arena ten dollars also i don't know what this is because there's no details, but I found something called Dilly Dally and Dooley. I just love the name of it. Dilly Dally Dooley? They play some fiddle faddle. They play fiddle faddle on Dilly Dally and Dooley. I'm going to the Dilly Dally. Where is that?

Well, it's Dooley, obviously. Dilly Dally and Dooley. It's on the location of it. It's 350 Pig Jig Boulevard. No. Yes, so it's Vienna, Georgia. The Dilly Dally's on, the location of it is 350 Pig Jig Boulevard. Yes, so it's Vienna, Georgia. The Dilly Dally's on Pig Jig. Get on down there.

You're making it too easy, Georgia. Sorry. This is like the Canadians putting fucking beavers on their money. It's just too easy. Stop making it easy to make fun of you. I'll bet you every year the winner of the fiddling contest is whoever can play The Devil Went Down to Georgia best. The best. I guarantee it.

Probably. Every year. And the best rendition of Devil Went Down to Georgia goes to Clem one again. All right. Come over here and get your Charlie Daniels trophy. Oh, let's do it. Then there's the BBQ and Blues Festival, which somebody wrote that, I don't know if it's true, but it takes place at the site of an old slave auction.

I don't know if that's true or not, but's i'm not positive we're gonna barbecue the slave festival of blues the blues are appropriate um they have a steak cook-off okay it costs 20 to enter the steak cook-off for a grand prize of 250 cash though okay this is cash cash money and a trophy all right so you get that it's a this is all sanctioned by the gba what is that the georgia barbecue association i swear to god i'm not making this up this is sanctioned georgia's gotta figure out what barbecue is because that's not a steak you dummies i don't know what's happening and most of the music is like decent old like old kind of under the radar blues guys, but they're like, they're good.

So I'm not gonna make fun of them too bad. Crime in this town. What we're interested in property crime. This is kind of typical to college towns is almost twice the national average. It's a lot of young people out drinking and doing stupid shit. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is a little bit under the average national. So it's kind of typical for that okay now that said you're talking about a nice little college town

here we go let's talk about a murder fiddle us in james i'm gonna fiddle you in i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st.

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Now, okay. Let's go back in time a little bit. Let's go back to a Christmas Eve, as a matter of fact. December the 24th, Jimmy. This is a Christmas Eve tale. Fantastic. What do you think I've been saving this for

for six fucking months? Christmas Eve. Yeah. Here it is. Christmas Eve. We're going to go back. What do you think i've been saving this for for six fucking months christmas eve yeah here it is christmas eve we're gonna go back what do you think of christmas eve yeah and norman rockwell painting and you picture being a little kid 2008 i got a brand new baby this is 2008 we're going back to not having to go back that far uh yeah 2008 this is uh december This is December the 24th, 2008. Wow. This is crazy. So all day there's been police out and they're searching around the woods on Christmas Eve and nightfall is almost here. The sun is setting late afternoon. Yeah.

East Coast for something. Suns. No, I'm not even kidding. I know this. Look at the sunset for like, you know, the East Coast right now. It's like 416 p.m. Bizarre. Wow. So, yeah, now. It's like 4.16 p.m. Bizarre. Wow.

So, yeah, it's getting sun setting. They're about to call it a day. It's Christmas Eve. Right. They've been searching, but they're like, it's about to, you know, everyone's going to go home with their families and do their thing, have dinner, open presents the next morning and everything. But just at that point, they're on a tract of land in Redbone here.

It's an area known as Redbone. it's not an actual city or town it's just an area okay down there they got over there red bone right um yeah they have and they have dogs that come from there and really certain type of dog the red bone something it's a hound or something yeah it comes from this area watch best in show okay i'm sure he discusses that where he's from i don't know if he no he's for he's from uh with the hound the guy with the hound is not from there because he's from uh because he talks about the nuts right because the town is yeah so what the hell town is it oh i said that's the one that really sent her over there she would stop talking about nuts stop naming nuts will you stop naming nuts what a great movie that's a terrific movie so i love nuts walnuts are my favorite no don't jimmy okay quickly quickly as we get into this um i just

found out this i'm an idiot i just found out the last couple days as jimmy is now the beneficiary of a giant bag of walnuts. I'm allergic to walnuts. I didn't know this. I've been eating them my whole life. My grandmother always had walnuts on the table. They would make my mouth really irritated, my throat irritated and things like that. I just thought that's what walnuts did because I've been eating them for so long. That's an allergy.

Yeah. I thought that's what walnuts. I thought maybe there's an oil. I brought it to Sarah. I was like, isn't it weird when you eat walnuts, you get all and she's like,nuts. I thought maybe there's an oil. I brought up to Sarah. I was like, don't isn't it weird to eat walnuts? You get on. She's like, no, I was like, really? And then she looked it up and she's like, shortness of breath, too.

I go, yeah, I get that. She's like, hey, you're you're going to die. Stop eating them. I ate so many the other day. I went to bed. I was sick. I couldn't breathe. My throat was I was in such bad shape.

And then she discovers that. So I'm jealous of anyone. I love them. I love Little Debbie Brownies with the walnuts on them. They're my favorite thing in the world. I'm like, I can't do it anymore. I want walnuts. So my Christmas will be walnut free. I will give you credit.

I did. You get the really good ones. I bought the big bag with the whole walnut. Unsalted. Yeah. Fantastic. They're good for you. I need them. And then, no and then no i can't have them so i gotta figure something out here i'll keep you posted thank you yeah tell me how they work for you so this is redbone known as uh the the area of redbone known as the tom rusk dairy oh so over oh about tom rusk dairy in redbone in redbone what who is, which isn't owned by Tom Rusk.

Okay. It's now owned by Ralph Adamson. Change the name, Ralph. It's in Redbone at the Tom Rusk Dairy owned by Ralph Adamson now. So this sounds like Funny Farm. Yeah. Take a ride at the Fork in the Road where the old Hawkins Barn used to be. Used to be.

Six miles down about three miles before the road forks you're gonna want to take a left huh what the hell do i know when it's gonna fork at three miles yeah well say i go from here i wouldn't start if i was going there from here i wouldn't want to start from here suppose you had to yeah well so the reason why they're pushing on up right up until dark is because in the hours leading up to this in the afternoon, they've made some discoveries. There are there are the sheriff is out there with cadaver dogs and everything else. And they find a they find a pair of boots out there that the cadaver dogs are picking up a scent on that could belong to the person they're looking for. They also find a metal baseball bat, an aluminum baseball bat, like your, you know, ting, your little league baseball bat. They find that there also, which has some, say, debris on it a little bit. It's got some dried substance on the underside that looks like it

could be blood. It's also in the dirt. It's Georgia Red Clay. It could be just mud. And it's been sitting there, you can tell, for a while, too, along with the boots. This didn't happen today. This isn't fresh. And they find that. They also find a wallet as well, an empty

wallet that they believe could belong to the person they're looking for. The wallet and the boots were actually found the day before by somebody else just random random person who didn't who didn't report it till they were found on the 22nd they didn't report it till the to the authorities till the next day they found like at the afternoon went home and then the next morning called the authorities about it and then they started looking in this area on the 24th. That's how this worked. This is the sheriff himself who's walking around, and they were

going about, they were in a cornfield around here, and they're talking about they've been in the woods for two days just with dogs, traipsing around, and it's Georgia, but it's still cold. And finally, they find a decaying deer. They get a really bad smell.

Yeah. They find a decaying deer, which is a terrible smell. That'll piss you off, too, because we thought it was a body. Well, that's the thing. They're looking at that. It's near the road, actually, the dead deer that's rotting. So they're like, okay. Probably clipped by a car.

Yeah. It's probably not the deer's boots, though, they're like okay by a car yeah it's probably not the deer's boots though they're right and that's the other thing they don't usually carry empty wallets no so what they do is they go let's go start at the deer and go in from the deer into the woods right at the line of the deer follow that line and take cadaver dogs and do all of this thing and when they do they start to drag the wood line. You know, they go down the line and back and forth how they do it. The sheriff says, quote, I could smell the human flesh. Yuck.

It smells different than a deer. That's a nice Christmas. He says that once he did that, he ended up finding something. He found what appeared to be a body. You never know in the woods, but appeared to be a body you never know in the woods but appeared to be a body wrapped tightly and would appear to be a camouflage quilt so i don't know if this is like it's going to blend in they'll never find right they're never gonna find the body till they smell it if we camouflage we put the camouflage it'll hide everything right people could sit in here

forever be walking all around it with the smell and everything on top of it god damn it that smells around here somewhere i don't see nothing see that's how it works yeah so uh yeah they end up uh doing that and once they find a human body there they decide that the deer was probably placed as a oh decoy as a decoy yeah and that's that was the sheriff's thought when he started dragging the tree line was this deer route so rather than the deer taking attention away from the body the deer drew attention to the body wild as they said yeah they went this is a weird place to leave a decaying deer nobody around here leaves deer out when they kill them they usually take them home eat the fuckers or do something with them so that's weird even if a car clipped it

you'd still wouldn't leave it exactly for the jerky something some yeah there's just an odd thing that it would sit there for a while and they're like this isn't this isn't right so they ended up uh yeah going in is a smart move actually this is the georgia bureau of investigation then arrives right at dusk on christmas eve oh no these are guys that you know guys and women women and everything, that were at home. It's almost days over. You're going home. It's Christmas. You're getting something ready for dinner.

Your kids are talking. Can we open one present tonight? Just one, maybe? And the phone rings. You go, thank fuck. Yeah, and then they get a page or something. Actually, this is 2008, so I was trying to – usually we're in the 80s or something, so I'm like a page.

But 2008, they get a call on their cell phone. Oh, shit. No, you, instead of spending Christmas Eve with your family, having a nice night, you are now going to go process a crime scene. Yeah. We have the body. Oh, in the dark, by the way, too. Enjoy that.

It'll be cold and dark, and you're going to love it. It's great. Where there's ice storms and shit. Did we mention it stinks because it's clearly been here a while? Right. Things don't smell like that out of nowhere but they take a while so uh crime scene specialist from the georgia bureau of investigation arrives just before dusk jesus to process the scene and to attend to the removal of the body where it'll be taken to the crime lab where a medical examiner

is going to have a very fun christmas eve they get there's the guy that has the shittiest job yeah he gets to examine closely a decomposed person on he on christmas eve that's yay just the way the baby would want it oh god that's what that's that's what this that's what this time of year is all about. Right. It's about processing decomposed corpses. Doing something disgusting on the name of a little baby. That's so nice, isn't it? So that's a bad night. How would you even, let's say, I get that's your job and you do this every day.

You see a lot of corpses. But that's a rough thing to then do that and then go home and then the next morning be like cheery for the kids. Right. And be like, yay, Santa kids and be like yay santa came look dad i got a woolly willy yeah oh wow santa came fuck it's good that he can kids not everybody can make it down the chimney it's a good thing he didn't get stuck up there and decompose because you should see a body after it's decomp for a while kids it's not pretty they're like do i get my lego does this mean i'm not getting nintendo switch

i weighed a liver this morning uh it was half gone so look dad look what i got he picks it up he goes that's very nice it's about the weight of the liver decomposed human being that was found in the forest last night over at the tom rusk dairy tom rusk must have been mad successful for mr adamson to leave it the same way you know what i'm not gonna touch it i don't want to put my name on it nobody will buy it rusk is magic everything everything rusk touches turns to gold like corn see how that works see i'm not gonna touch it there's corn right there too so the body was wrapped tightly and appeared to be a quilt and then another fabric that appeared to be another camouflage thrown over it. So there was like a quilt tight.

That was a camouflage quilt. And then like another camouflage, like I don't know if it's a flag or a blanket or something camouflage, but material here, like the green camouflage. Only the toes of the victims were visible. That's how they could see that it was a human being in the bag and not just like a bunch of leaves or, you know, another deer body that they stretched out in a weird way. So it appeared that the body, the path to the body was well, it was like a trail to the body. Like it had been walked a few times. And so whoever had hidden it had revisited often, basically, is what he surmised by this. This is a... It wasn't like a walking trail.

It wasn't a trail. It was a trail that was created by whoever did this. And trampled recently quite a bit. And in the winter, too, when the foliage doesn't grow as well, you can trample a trail out and it won't pop back the next day. You know what I mean? So you could see it also taken into evidence at this point to where us to soft drink cans. Okay. So two soda cans, a cell phone.

I'm sorry. A cellophane, which is the plastic cigarette. It's from a cigarette pack. So got the Georgia tax stamp. Exactly. There you go. Celloph plastic cigarette it's from a cigarette pack so got the georgia tax stamp exactly there you go cellophane off the bottom of a cigarette pack and what appeared to be a cup that by the analyzation once held a mixed drink with alcohol in it so what are they having a someone having a party out here yeah like they're bringing mixed drinks to the spot of the corpse right is this a christmas party what's happening and a couple of kids with their shit yeah yeah for the kids is this like a

murderer's christmas party is this what they do down south you know the cellophane out of all of this is the biggest clue in my opinion because somebody that smokes and takes the bottom cellophane off is a very specific person yeah they're trash person yes that's a trash person does that i'm sorry but you know it if you do it you go i'm a trash you know you're trash and i was a trash person yeah i would take the bottom off because i didn't like the the it was the flakes of the tobacco that would get in there and it would annoy me so i'm just fucking otherwise they get in your pocket right so now you're gonna suck with that now that's why it's on there catch Catch those flakes of tobacco. But most people that smoke don't take that shit off.

No. So it's a very specific person. It serves a purpose. There's a reason that the tobacco company puts that little band on there so that you keep that little bit on the pack to catch the flakes. So the tobacco flecks don't fall off. Exactly. Otherwise, you got it in your fucking laundry machine.

Yeah. And that's why you're white trash. Because not you. I'm saying someone who does that. Well, me too. Because then in your car, in your car seat, there's then you're that's that's why you're white trash because not you i'm saying someone who does that too because then in your car in your car seat there's tobacco flecks all over your car seat it's all over the place in your cup holder it's everywhere it's not smart no it's not it's there for a reason but this is festive yes right here how fast is this little trashy trashy party down by the body trashy party down by the body for then these guys get to come oh look at this at this. Clean up after. Oh, yay.

I'll be home. This is festive. Do they say what kind of cup it is? Is it just like a plastic cup? Yeah, like a plastic cup. One that wouldn't be there. It's not something like a McDonald's cup. And they're all like, it didn't like blow off the road because it's all like stuff that's clearly

soda cans and things and they're not like from the road because there's woods there so they wouldn't, you and things. And they're not like from the road. There's woods there. So they wouldn't. You know, they're in this area right around the body. I don't know if somebody had a couple of sodas and a mixed drink and then off themselves and wrapped themselves in a quilt. But it seems like there was some people hanging out here. I'm still blown away.

You were able to surmise me by my fucking cellophane. I know that's I'm good at fascinating. I can size people up very well. One small factor. I'm like, yes, you're trash. I know how it's someone's trash. Believe me, because I'm from trash and I am trash. So I understand trash.

This isn't a judgment. No, it's it's you can you know yourself. You get it. You can see things in yourself and people you can smell our own. Yeah. Dreaming. That's a very specific person that's my point yeah so when they find the guy with the cellophane list yeah i don't know in this area there may be a shitload of that partying by a body right on a well-worn trail point too yeah the person is trash it's trash yeah that i think that's a bigger factor

in the cellophane the fact that you have a well-worn path to your corpse. To your party body. Jesus. Dreaming of a white Christmas. That's what you're doing. Jesus. Of a day. White trash Christmas.

White trash Christmas. How about that song, Rick? And I take off my cellophane. Write that one, Taylor Swift. Tobacco flex on my car seat and in my pocket so i trash christmas shingle bells this corpse smells it's been here for a month georgia isn't cold enough to freeze out all the funk.

That's when they found it. We're sorry. We know there's a dead human being, but this is too much fun. It's Christmas and we have to have some kind of fun with the whole damn thing. So, yeah. So that said, there's a mystery afoot, obviously. Clearly a mystery. We have clues.

We have a body. It's Christmas Eve. It's the beginning of a goddamn good story. There's one, maybe three shit bags somewhere that we're looking for yeah up to who knows up to and including yeah who knows so let's talk about some people okay let's talk about some people here uh let's go 2008 let's stay in 2008 we're going to talk about one guy guy named donald clark okay he's 41 years old serious clark hey serious real tomato so uh he's born in 1967 he's 41 at this moment uh and his wife as well is jennifer uh lee clark now jennifer is younger than him jennifer's born in 1978 so she's 10 you know 10, 10, 11 years younger. And they got married in 1997 when Jennifer was only 19. Oh.

So, yeah, he was 30. She was 19. Attaboy. So look at Donald. Yeah. Donald was already married and divorced as well. He's got a child from another marriage. He's got a daughter from another marriage there and everything.

So these two, Donald and Jennifer, end up having two sons together over the next 10 years, which is very nice. They have two sons. In 1998, they are 10 and 8 years old. They are Joshua and Jacob are their names. And they have Amber from a previous marriage he has. Those are their children. They're a couple, typical couple when they live in a small town. Don't have a ton of money or anything like that.

But, you know, two kids and any time you have two kids and, you know, especially if one of the partners is very young, especially 19 is a hard time to start a family and have kids. That's really difficult. That's a that's young to do that it really to just be like well gonna do this now and be you know it's it's easier as abilities and things that are accessible today to have a child that young probably but it's fucking crazier in my opinion to have them now because you have everything available and and you're the world's your fucking oyster yeah what are you doing yeah back in the 50s the world was a little less of an oyster you know i mean oh i would. Back in the 50s, the world was a little less of an oyster. You know what I mean? Oh, I would say, yeah. It was more of a clam. It was a closed oyster that you needed a crowbar to get into.

A different goddamn story. So they try to make it as a couple, though. And they have problems over the years, though. And their main problem is that Jennifer has at least four affairs. Oh, no. With different people over the course of time here she's young 19 19 is a tough time to get married have children be a you know because i think about it there it's 2008 their one son is 10 so they had a kid right away she had a she had a baby at 20

so that's young it is i mean a lot of people do it and they they're fine and they don't it doesn't affect them in any way. But for her, I don't know. It would seem to make her want to go out and do stuff or whatever. But that happens, though. And you can't judge people's marriages from the outside. Unless they're on 90 Day Fiancé, then they're asking for it. They want you to. They want you to and you should judge them because that's what they're there for.

They signed up to be, judge me. Right. Judge me. They think they're good. That's why they're there for. They signed up to be judge me. Right. Judge me. They think they're good. That's why they're on there. They're daring you to judge them and presenting their life as there's nothing to judge here. Exactly. We'll find something to judge.

Which is as crazy as it is brave, but it's still like, you know, I couldn't do it, but I'm impressed that people that can, that can just open up their lives like that. I'm like, wow, I couldn't tell my friends that shit. I don't know that I could be on any kind of reality show in any capacity because it would be boring as fuck. But also I'm horrified for people to know what I'm really like. Yeah. I don't want people to see the ins and outs of my life.

You know me. Anything that was funny, I would make sure to hide it from the camera. Anything that's good TV, you're not going to see this. You're not going to see that. That's what I mean. We're going to be doing something nefarious so uh the the affairs are a problem now we have to enter somebody in here into the whole situation because the household two little kids yeah and not little but two kids and um an older sister yeah she doesn't live there full-time though so two kids and those two kind of with a rocky marriage.

Now we enter another person into this. It is Donald's best friend's son is having problems. So Donald's a nice guy. And Jennifer, they're nice people. And they offer to let him stay there with them for a little while if that would help ease out the problems. He's 21. I don't know why he doesn't get his own place. You should fucking shit together, sir.

Go to Gordon State up the road. What are we doing here? What are you talking about? Are you going to go live with your best friend's family? Your dad's best friend's family. Dad's best friend's family. Yeah, it's very strange because you're having problems at home. You're 21.

I could see if he was 16. Right. It's like, well, we'd like him to finish out and you know stay in the district and all that kind of shit at 21 the problems at home you should have are uh i didn't pay my own cable bill yeah yeah oh shit they shut my phone right well if the guy if you can tell him sure yeah tell him he can come over and stay here and on the way pick up a six-pack he's too fucking old to stay with you exactly he's too old at that point what are we doing here it's not a kid anymore no he's by he can buy alcohol bring it over he brings over i brought a bottle of wine i thought you guys might want him with dinner this kid's not buying a bottle

of wine i'll tell you that much now his name is kenneth michael yost uh he goes by michael though uh yeah always because his name is kenneth right and uh the short for that is kenny or ken either way barbie ruined ken and every single guy right now named kenneth is nodding along with us don't be offended for the kens because they're nodding along go no shit they go by their middle name too unless it's like cock breath or taint head or some shit my uncle kenny hates his name everybody i know a guy named kenny hated his name too can't know but no ken's like their name so i'm sure there's a couple they're going to tweet at us but whatever so now kenny like i said he's the son or not kenny michael yeah michael is the son of donald's best friend he's not exactly had he's not exactly like the class valedictorian and uh just looking he's

transferring he wants to transfer but he's coming from from Princeton. He doesn't know whether he wants to go to Yale or Brown yet. Like, it's not, that's not what's happening. He has two previous burglary convictions. Oh, my God. You know, he's just kind of a, he's just kind of a ne'er-do-well shithead, basically. He's an idiot.

What I like to call a ne'er-do-well shithead in these days. You know? Yeah. He's like a kid who's not really any direction. Yeah. Has no, not evil or anything. No. He's kind of a ne'er-do-well shithead in these days you know yeah there's like a kid who's not really any direction has no not evil or anything it's kind of a ne'er-do-well shithead he's not really doing anything with himself shit dip shit and we've all been in dips oh my god i have i was a dip shit for like 11 years i was a ne'er-do-well dip i mean plenty of time after i moved out of my parents house 11 more of that including up to and including right so uh in january of 2008 is when

he was having a problem getting along with his father and stepmother so they allowed him to stay there which i don't know why they didn't just say go get your own apartment then right it's probably yeah i don't know you're 21 right like figure it out you don't want to live with your parents right which who are nice enough that they were still letting you live with them, which was good. But at that point, where are you going to go? Move in with other people? This is crazy.

Three years ago, I thought I could walk around with my pants off. And you're still here. You're still here. Get the fuck out. Go away. So they, you know, this is going on. Now, the main issue with this that I should address right up front is that Jennifer's having an affair with Michael before he moves in, before he moves in. All right.

So basically him moving in is sort of. It's escalating. Yeah, it's sort of, you know, oh, maybe I could live there because they're having an affair. So it's kind of he moves there probably for the affair. Donald doesn't know that. No, Donald has no idea about this at all. He has no idea that his wife's banging his best friend's son, and then he invited him to live at his house. He's clueless of this.

No, he doesn't know anything about that. So this goes on. He moves in January. They're there. Now, March 7th, 2008 is a strange night. The night of March 7th. Donald calls 911 in the middle of the night. Okay.

All right. Now, he's not injured. He's not hurt. Uh-huh. But the reason he calls is it's legitimate. He woke up in the middle of the night, opened his eyes to find his wife, Jennifer, standing over him with an aluminum baseball bat. Oh, boy. That's a strange...

This is like Henry Hill in Goodfellas waking up with Karen on your... Karen? What the fuck is going on, Karen? I got enough to worry about getting whacked on the streets. I gotta come home for this? So, yeah. That's a scary thing to do.

So he wakes up to find her with the baseball bat, and he calls 911. He freaks out, calls 911. She says, I don't know. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? And she said, I don't know what I'm doing. So what's her fucking excuse? I just woke up standing here. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing either. I took a bunch of Ambien. I was dreaming i was lenny dykstra yeah i was dreaming it was a three-two count don't worry it was a little on the outside i wasn't gonna swing anyway so looking for the wall yeah so the cops come yeah too but there's not really much to talk about because she stops it's not like she then started hitting him. And, you know, so it's just a weird case of let's get this on file, I guess. I don't know. He called 911 and they make sure no one's hurt. You just hear baseball bat and something.

So they come over. It's 2008. They actually jot it down. Yeah. So they come over. They check him out. So the police are curious as to Jennifer's. What were you doing there?

Just I mean, like, you know, what's the explanation? Okay. She tells the officer that she doesn't know. She said, I don't have any reason for doing it. And they said, well, did Donald do something to you? Did he make you mad? Did he scare you? Did he hurt you?

She said, no, nothing. We didn't fight. We didn't. He didn't provoke it. He didn't scare me. Didn't hurt me. I wasn't mad at him. Everything was fine. And I was standing there with a baseball bat

over him at two o'clock in the morning you know normal she's got the answer of an eight-year-old i don't know i don't know yeah what i'm not sure well why'd you do it i don't know that's exactly what he's doing jen i don't know so she said well why did he make him mad no did the man scare you no well then why'd you do it i don't know god damn it that's gotta be through like dirt tears yeah i don't know i was making mud pies Trying to figure it out myself. Yeah. So this, they go to Donald and they turn to him and they're like shrug of the shoulders. Like, I don't know what to say here. She says she doesn't know.

She said she doesn't know. And she's not mad at you. You're not going to believe this, Donald. I don't know either. I just got here. So I'm really confused. If you think you guys are confused. Yeah.

Think about me. I was in my office. I don't know what the hell's going on here. So what do you think, officer? I don't know. I don't know. That's how it works. There's not really anything I can do.

There wasn't anything that happened. She didn't threaten you. She didn't even. I don't know. I don't know. I looked at the law book. Nothing. There's nothing in there.

It doesn't know either. When I woke up, it wasn't like she was like, stay right there'll bash you she was just like oh and like put it down like it was like it's almost like in like a movie when someone's like mildly possessed yeah and someone's like what are you doing then they like break and they're like i don't know i was just wondering they have like a knife in their hand because they were being told in their brain to stab they just drop and they're like oh it's a quick spell why do i have that it's a very light possession one of those you know just a like a light a light poltergeist over the house something low calorie uh possession that's what i call it yeah it's a it's a low calp low cal pause

that's how they work it so get your low cal pause so donald tells the police that is there like i mean if you feel threatened and she had a weapon, I mean, it's like technically pointing a gun at you so we can arrest her for assault if you want her to be arrested for assault. I guess. I mean, get her out of the house tonight. And he said, no, I don't want her to be arrested, I guess, if she's not going to bash me. And she doesn't know why, because he's looking at her going, what the fuck? And she's going, I don't know. So everybody's real confused at three o'clock in the morning let's put it that way this is so fun this is the weirdest

yeah probably the weirdest call this cop's ever got i'm sure i'm sure like yeah and they get weird calls but this has to be one where they're like i don't know what just happened he gets back to the station what was that beats me i don't know i don't know i don't know. I don't know. You got to come over and check it out. You won't know either. There is so much I don't know on that front lawn. So much. So much. So sometime after this happens, Jennifer is talking to Donald's sister, Brenda. Brenda Maddox.

And Brenda will come up over the course of the story a little bit here. Brenda is very close to Donald as well. They speak quite often. They get along very well. So she Jennifer's telling Brenda that. Wow. That she held the bat over Donald to quote to see if she could go through with it. That's what she said.

It was just like a test. Like, how does this feel? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to try on a shirt and you're like is this my look i don't know like that was her like am i like a murder am i a bad person am i a person that bashes my husband's skull in the middle of the night for no reason is that me evidently i'm not yeah she added up she's like this doesn't fit me i guess i don't know i tried it on it's a little baggy in the ass and i said i'm not interested it's not a a shirt you can try on with a friend that's when you do solo so let's see how

you feel see how it works you don't bring anyone's for an opinion on that one it's not like getting a wedding dress or something so yeah i she was that so brenda was like okay well i'm glad you didn't yeah i guess thanks thanks yeah so the day after the baseball bat incident uh they jennifer and donald agree to get a divorce okay that's he's like clearly there's an issue in our marriage and they sit down and they actually decide the best thing for us is maybe to get a divorce and they go down to the courthouse to initiate the process yeah these are all very adult things, right? We like it when people do stuff like this.

And Donald, uh, being a man who, uh, can take emotional abuse of like being cheated on and being behind it. He can take that over four times, obviously, but when it comes to the physical abuse,

that's where he draws the line. Yeah. And I think it moves Donald. Absolutely. And I think it was also about, she's clearly not happy as well as what he was thinking too. she was thinking as well because we don't know what they're into we don't know what the relationship is like you can say one person had four affairs and held a bat over somebody to see what it felt like but at the same time we don't know if he completely ignores

her and does you know we have no idea how what the dynamic of people's marriages are we don't know and also she did cheat on him to see what that felt like yeah and that felt great to her so let's not find out if she feels if it feels good to her to beat me exactly yeah let's because she may do that four times let's let her figure that out uh somewhere else on somebody else so uh they at the same time this goes on uh they go down they initiate the divorce proceedings when they get home donald goes up and confronts michael the the border here about uh about the situation he yost he's like hey um you're fucking my wife aren't you by the way yeah um yeah i'm pretty sure you're you're fucking my wife um you know how i know that because she she's pregnant. Oh, no. That's how I know that.

And so, yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the one fucking her because I wasn't fucking her and she's pregnant and you're here. And, yeah, because at this point she's three months pregnant and it's a little more than that, actually. Or, no, no, she would have just found out she's pregnant. She's just barely pregnant at this moment in time. Eight, ten weeks something like that not even really not even this is like a right on the cusp just missed her first just

missed it got a test to win oh shit oh this is bad because you she would have got a test right away because she would have went oh i was fucking another yeah that was something she'd be worried about yeah so that's why she would have found out immediately upon missing a test whereas if she was married she or she if it was with her husband she would have probably just been like well yeah you know two others we'll see well yeah what's the difference yeah i'll see how i feel here in the next couple days or whatever the hell but this is an immediate deal the mcdonald's was dirty could be indigestion exactly i've been drinking chest out by the so uh that wasn't that's not her and that not then so anyway he confronts michael they have an argument about it and they say they're having an affair uh michael quickly admits to it yeah he goes yeah all right

fine right now i'm banging her which they're they just initiated divorce proceedings so he figures what the hell no big loss here i'd be a little upset if i was donald yeah move into my house under the pretense of oh this poor kid and blah blah blah and you're fucking my wife beforehand this was all one big ruse to have easier access to my wife's vagina because you know he talked it over with the wife and she was like i don't know you've seen your best friend's wife she's a pain in the ass exactly maybe they just for now maybe let's just let him stay she fucking helped talk him into oh no she did too she was like yeah it's great absolutely that's how this whole thing worked so donald tells michael immediately you're gonna get out of the house right now obviously and uh you know take a hike so michael leaves and goes to live with his grandmother here which i

don't know why he didn't do that to begin with why he moved in here other than he was paying jennifer makes sense thing is though jennifer leaves and moves in with his grandmother with him oh no so now jennifer went from you know having a family and a house and all this shit to living in some some you know bedroom in some 21 year old kid's grandmother's house yep this is a very strange regression of of weird i don't know when you're eight grandma's house is great because it's comfy and cozy but when you're in your 30s not cool sucks grandma's house is great because it's comfy and cozy. But when you're in your 30s, Grandma's house sucks. Grandma's house is shitty and it smells weird.

So they do. Now, this is around the time that she discovers that she's pregnant with a child whose she determines is it's going to be Michael. So after Jennifer moves out of the house, Donald hires a young woman to move in to help him take care of the children because he works and he's got two little kids and the kids stay with him in the house. She takes off and lives with Michael and the grandmother's house. So, yeah, it's a weird scenario here. So this is Danielle Young is her name. She moves in to take care of the children and she does. She moves in with her two children as well.

She has two children. So for her, it was a place to go with kids with free rent, and she could watch the kids. And for him, it was great because someone was there to watch the kids. And, you know, house is taken care of. Everything's a good arrangement for everybody, basically. So May 2008, though, in early May 2008, Jennifer comes over to the house unannounced. And she doesn't know. She's just been taken off.

The kids haven't seen her. It's been like, you know. Two months. It's been, yeah. She just kind of took off. She pops up at the house when Donald's not, when out of nowhere and finds this Danielle Young young living there with her two kids and obviously jennifer sees this as jump to conclusions he's already replaced me absolutely she started losing her shit oh she lost her mind screaming cursing throwing things in the front yard jennifer you

don't get to behave like this ripping out like you know the goddamn flamingos the lake yeah the lady bent over with the bloomers like picking them up throwing them across the street screaming yelling cursing yeah acting like a maniac i mean it's crazy so she goes in the house uh doing this all in front of all the children too there's four kids here there's an eight-year-old a ten-year-old danielle's kids four kids dad this one and she is losing her mind starts like breaking things in the house yeah it's a it's a scene kicking out the leaning cowboy silhouette oh banging it well actually she grabbed an aluminum baseball bat at this point and starts threatening donald with the aluminum

baseball bat the same one she had held over him at night right so she starts threatening him and swinging it around she's in the middle of the living room after she made a scene in the yard. Now standing there swinging around an aluminum baseball bat, threatening Donald while four little kids are trying to be herded off into a bedroom. And this is a psychotic. This is not cool in any capacity for anybody to be doing this. This is nuts. And even more so when you just filed divorce. Who gives a fuck?

Well, you're living with some guy and you're living with the father of what's inside you yes no i get you can't do this you don't want strange people living around your children okay i understand that but you just took off right and so you don't at that point you kind of lose what your say is for that moment at least right to who's going to be around your kids because you're not there to have a say yeah so that you abdicated your parental you know responsibilities so you could you know live with this guy's grandmother that's a different thing and your last four stray dicks was the first of this path like yeah you've you dipped you dipped yeah for the past eight weeks yeah

it's it's over and if this was a guy it'd be the same goddamn way some guy takes off with to live with some you know younger girl in her grandmother's house for two months and then shows up it's over and if this was a guy it'd be the same goddamn way some guy takes off to live with some you know younger girl in her grandmother's house for two months and then shows up it's like who's in my house it ain't your house take off you don't get to kick the gate you left right so whatever's happening here you shouldn't care about because go go bang your whatever yeah do that hang out with your girlfriend's grandmother you can't throw the keys to somebody of your car and then come back eight weeks later and kick holes in it because it's yours you gave it away that's the thing over so she did that eventually um he somehow talks her out of the house and the whole thing gets talked down and phew i don't know how that happened the the police don't even get called

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and upset especially with michael but she starts saying maybe we can get rid of donald she starts saying to michael um tells yost things like what if i led him like out into the road and then you can run him over something like that that looks like an accident you know like i'll lead him into the road and you'll be driving by and i was like that seems pretty that's a that's a complicated arrangement right that's a whole stunt you need to pull off there There's a lot of timing involved. A lot of timing. You don't get hit by the car, but he does. How close is he to you? There's a lot to consider there, I feel like. Also, he may know what kind of car he used to drive.

Yeah, you need to draw that one off. You have to be around a blind corner, and you'd have to have, like, you know, now on the pager. Cue the deer. And then, I don't know what the hell's going on here. It's a lot to deal with in the first place it's a lot and that's what 21 year olds don't realize too is when you get involved with somebody and they want you to pull shit like this they think that you think they're asking you because they trust and love you yeah they're doing it because they're a lunatic that's why

they're doing it and you just wrapped yourself up with this person yeah and you you should worry about your own safety you don't have that level of depth and wrapping. He hasn't been like wrapped up in anything this tightly before. So it's very, very strange. But he's just like, no, that ain't happening. You know, he, this, this guy's got just as reason to much reason to be mad at me. So let's just call it all, you know, a wash here. So finally, July of 2008, the divorce is final.

So that's, that's done fast done fast not yeah well if they're both trying to do it it takes four or five months it's you could do it that fast if everybody's on board started in may they started in march early march yeah yeah you could do that but i don't know how georgia works too it might be you might be able to might be super fast little quickie down there so uh july 2008 they divorce that's that's when it's finalized donald in the settlement retains sole custody of the sons and also becomes sole owner of the house as well because he's got the kids and i guess he had that house before he married her i think was the thing so it was one of those it was from his previous marriage and he might have had it before that so that's how that

works he's got the house and the kids though and i don't think she didn't fight for the she didn't say i want custody of the kids and then they gave him sole custody it was he said i'll take the kids and she was like great sounds good so that seemed to be what what how this all went now uh yeah they start doing that. It's at this moment, which is super weird. Okay. September of 2008. Yeah. Jennifer and Michael are still together. Yeah.

They move out of his grandmother's house and they move into, take a guess, their own apartment. A little trailer. That's not bad. Maybe something like over a storefront in downtown. A little starter. You know what I mean? A little something. You you get a little breakfast joint you can smell the eggs in the morning thousand square foot two bedroom one bath for 27 grand smell them hash browns you smell that smells like somebody got it smothered and covered i am

boy but let's get dressed and go on downstairs no No, they begin living with Donald's sister. You can't. Brenda. Stop it. Now, I don't know. I don't know why. I have no idea. I know that they're close, Jennifer and Brenda, but so are Donald and Brenda. So I don't know if Brenda's trying to play a peacemaker.

I don't know if she thinks this will be better for the kids because he'll be close by and maybe that's what Donald's thinking. And I have no idea what the arrangement is here, but that weird i could never that is very very very very strange i would rather be homeless i'm okay that's i'll find a bridge yeah so while jennifer is living there donald would bring the kids over two or three times a week to have visitation with jennifer donald's letting it be that's why it is visit that's beautiful that's what it is and donald rather than just saying here go hang out at this guy's grandmother's house and here's my kids yeah and he doesn't want her at the house this is a you know

a neutral location absolutely they can go and he feels comfortable and i think that's why controlled environment yeah that's why this is all being allowed to happen which i have to say for donald that's pretty mature yeah that's pretty goddamn mature grown up to say it's pretty for that's doing what's best for your kids type of thing that's that's that's a mature thing and on this at the same time that is a good move for jennifer as well very good mature move yes she's still living with this guy or whatever but that's what happens people's relationships break up you get another relationship not anybody's business but she's doing this so she can see her kids more, which is fantastic. That's exactly what you want.

So everybody is taking steps in the right direction, which is great. Olive branches everywhere. Olive branches all around. Everybody's happy. And at this point, repeatedly, what would end up happening is Donald would repeatedly ask Jennifer to moveald would repeatedly ask jennifer to move back in with him every time he'd go why don't you come home come home was he be stupid with the kids he'd go why don't you come home this is ridiculous what are you doing here he's 21 what are you doing who cares about all let's put everything behind us and come home you know what the hell are we

doing they're already legally divorced but it's still he's trying to fix his family and she's refusing though be for whatever reason and uh october 2008 jennifer finally asked uh donald he she says can i come back home because he had given up asking by then he had asked he was asking every time and finally he was just like all right well you know it's there if you want yeah finally she says okay i'll come home so can i come home again and he says yeah great come on home let's do it so that's october 2008 so this seems wonderful right absolutely but uh everything is great she moves back in and um you know this thing seemed good on the surface but after she's there she ends up reaching out to michael at some point and informs him that she wants to leave donald again she's not happy and all of this stuff and

basically he starts calling her he says he calls her crazy he's like look i don't know what you want or what you're doing but you know whatever figure your shit out is what he says he said he tells her so november 18th 2008 comes around right before thanksgiving donald disappears okay he's gone he takes off all right gone jennifer is huge nine months pregnant yeah i mean she is ready to pop any minute nine months pregnant with somebody else's with somebody else's kid donald takes off i don't know what you know for whatever reason and uh brenda said that that's his sister there uh maddox yeah donald's sister says that donald all had a habit of calling her every day so they talked daily just even for a couple minutes you hear this one

blah blah blah but that day she didn't hear from him and so she thought that was kind of weird and uh then another day went by and she realized she asked her family nobody'd heard from donald in two days which he just doesn't do that he talks to pretty much everybody every day so for him to talk to nobody for two days is very very strange so she kind of gets a little bit freaked out so that his sister donald's sister ends up calling jennifer and saying have you seen donald where the hell is donald jennifer tells the sister that donald appeared to have left during the night when she was asleep she goes he took off on me jennifer says i woke up and

he was fucking gone yeah he was gone um you know his stuff was gone i don't understand it she says that uh he left during the night while she was asleep with their sons in an adjacent room right there and she just left everybody here okay take take off then she said that donald was quote there's a quote from the sister quote probably this is what jennifer said to the sister quote probably off with one of his whores that's what she says so brenda called the police right away she's insinuating that, yeah, Donald has got a harem of loose women out there to dip in. Welcome, Donald. Yeah. So the sister here questions Jennifer further.

And, you know, like, well, what about them? Who's he seeing? Like, I didn't know he was seeing people. Who's he seeing? Like, you know, should we, can we call them? Like, do you know who they are? Does he hang out at a bar? Does he go what does he do how can we find him basically so uh jennifer tells the sister that she tried calling donald because everybody's got cell phones so

this isn't like he's gone he's in the ether like it's 1975 so she said she tried calling donald but when she didn't hear from him she sent the children to school and just went about the day cleaning the house she's like i didn't hear from him i don't the children to school and just went about the day cleaning the house. She's like, I didn't hear from him. I don't know. I tried to call him. I'm, you know, figuring maybe he's upset with me for something. Maybe it's this giant.

Maybe it's his belly. Maybe it's the divorce. You know, there's a lot of things. Over the last nine months, there's a host. I don't know. Yeah. She said anything could be a lot. I really, you know, could be moving a 21 year old into bang me while my children are in the house.

Things of that nature. The past year has been real tough on him. It's been a little bit weird. A takeoff wouldn't be, it'd be normal. You'd go, wow, how do you last this long? It's weird that he doesn't take off, you know? Every time he calls me, I expect him to tell me he's in Cabo. Yeah.

With like a waitress that he met at the airport. I don't know. I just can't do it anymore. Yeah. At the airport Rubio's. She was on my way. You know, I don't know. We were going to the same place.

I figure I just throw another ticket on the old credit card. Can't pay for one. Can't pay for two. You know what I'm saying? All right. So, yeah, she said she just went about her day cleaning the house. Like, I just treated it like it was any other day, which I don't know why nine month pregnant women would be actively house cleaning someone clean the i get that you should move around but

usually when you're about to pop someone it's a bit too much movement yeah if you want to do a little exercise fine but don't clean the house have someone do that dude my neighbor used to she was a cop she used to jog nine months pregnant wow she jogged the day before she gave birth i don't know i'm not a doctor so that might be great it might be might be but it looks uncomfortable for me as as a layman i feel like it's gonna fall out like the wrong direction i'm not even thinking about the safety of the kid i'm just thinking about comfort of moving like oh i feel like she's gonna fall off yeah i know that it's not gonna happen but i'm like oh gravity's a motherfucker yeah and you're really pushing extra yeah you can't even see your feet the right you

can't see if there's rocks under there you know what's happening so yeah she just did that now the sister said she was concerned because this is very unlike donald to take off and leave his kids behind yeah like if he was going to take off and leave you he had taken the kids with him because he's very protective over the kids he went for soul you know right he took him from you yeah he's very into the kids so the sister decides i better call the sheriff's office just to add a girl yeah she says i'm gonna report him absent uh missing and just we'll see what happens here she immediately also hands out flyers i mean she's got like flyers have you seen this guy talks to the local newspaper she said she talked to everybody she could possibly think of who would maybe know where

Donald was. Anybody, anybody he knew from 20 years ago. Wow. A cashier that he's nice to at the grocery store. Maybe he ran away with her page. Everything. Yeah. This is the beginning of Facebook.

I doubt he had Facebook. This is a MySpace. You got top friends. You can search those. Search his top friends. Search all of them. Check them out. Top eight or whatever. Yeah. Whatever the hell you had there i think so so yeah it was a she's i mean she's got flyers and she's talking to the newspaper right away this isn't like a well hopefully he'll

come back soon this is a i don't like this something's wrong i want to find him immediately so one of donald's co-workers at this point the sheriff, because they go to his job and ask around, did he say anything? Because they're thinking, especially with the situation, just got a divorce, wife's pregnant with somebody else's kid, all this pressure. They're thinking literally, he probably took off with some girl. That's what they think. He's probably off some weekend. What would I do? Blowing off some steam right now.

Somebody he met, he went down to the Indian Casino. know that you got down to indian casino i probably met one of the waitresses gave him a drink and they said hey come on down ran into atlanta found that haunted whorehouse yeah i just transferred down here from brooklyn strip club why did i say that i don't know what'd you call it a haunted whorehouse what i don't know it's a haunted strip club yes i don't know why i did that i don't know either that was i have literally never in my life confused a strip club with a whorehouse no i just did it right now very different things not okay there yeah it's not not good so this is weird yeah this whole thing is is weird i don't even know what to how to put this in place like you you don't the cops are kind of like all right yeah sure he's missing yeah right you know what i mean i know he's very

dependable but i think they're all thinking yeah people blow off steam provides a lot of i don't know to the police a lot i don't know it's way too much no one knows anything where'd he go i don't know i don't know why did he leave i don't know i don't know why would he leave i don't know i don't know so they go to the co-workers though to see if maybe hey did he mention like oh i've been talking to this you tell your co-workers things you might not some guy at the loading dock you might not you might be a little more honest with him than your friends you know so they talked to him about the you know that day and the guy actually, on November 18th, we got a phone call here, me specifically from Jennifer, which is strange, relaying specific details about the prior evening, saying that Donald might have run off with Danielle Young, the girl who used to live with them with the two kids. So that's what she's saying that she called work and said, hey, just to let you know, he took off.

And I don't know if he's going to show up for work or not, but I'm pretty sure he took off with that other chick he was living with. So keep an eye out. I don't know if he's going to punch in. So she's calling that. And he said that Jennifer had never before called for anything, for any reason. And he said it, it quote it just felt weird to me just why would he she call out of the blue it's not like we called going hey where's donald is he didn't show up today where is he that would have been like i think he took off with this woman

that would have been very normal yeah but instead it was that she got the preemptive call in yeah yeah oh i think he took off so don't maybe not expect him today, which was very strange. Obviously, the kids are traumatized by this. Mom moves out. Mom moves in. She's over here. Take him here. Dad's here. Where's dad? He's gone. This one's here. That one's there. It's very this is a lot for an eight year old and a 10 year old. Can't imagine to deal with. I feel bad for these kids having to deal with all of this. with all of this and uh the kids are going through a lot of trauma here and then she goes on also and uh has the sons call donald's cell phone and leave voicemails telling him how much they miss him and to please come home daddy please we you know giving you know heartfelt voicemails from children to please come home because we miss you. Oh, I hate that. Which is heartbreaking to hear anybody like that. So the police, they're like, well, we'll look for him, I guess. They ask around.

They can't find him. First thing they want to know is his car isn't around. So they're like, we'll find his car and we find him. So let's find the car. So what they do is they put out an alert to all the scrap yards across the United States. I guess there's something you can do pawn shops and scrap yards you can alert for like shit that's missing yeah that's why they have those pawn shop cards the cops have to fill out if you anybody sells anything for over a certain amount you have to stake run it same way yeah they run it across

stolen property to make sure it's not stolen so you can't just bring in like yeah it is brilliant that's a smart thing to do so they put out an alert to all the scrapyards to look out for the car it's a black honda civic we'll talk about it in a second uh be on the lookout for donald clark's car it's been missing since november 18th the investigator said quote we worked with a contact uh we worked with a contact the griffin department had to list the car on a national alert system and we appreciated the help so that's cool if they actually that's good police work it's awesome it's not bad uh so he didn't come into work again on november 19th donald doesn't so everybody's like okay yeah we need to need to look for him it's a 1997 black honda civic is what they're looking for georgia tag awj 7727 so um couldn't find it they they search

a bunch of ponds in the area yeah to see if the car had been submerged in a pond oh pond pond yeah so they they start dredging ponds up to see if maybe the car's in there that's a that's a place where people hide cars hard to hide a car yeah that's the thing if you don't have access to a remote barn or something, it's difficult to hide a car. And as a car, you can't necessarily get that into a ravine somewhere. It's a fucking car. It's still a car. It's not a four-wheel drive. Yeah.

You have to drive it to where the spot you need it to be. You can't drive a Honda Civic deep into the woods either. That's not going to work. So the easiest place for people to dump shit is in ponds because usually there's roads leading up to it and sure easy entry and so that's apparently a place to dump cars so they do that uh they search everything and trying to find it uh they stay search all around the cornfields of this area and all sorts of shit an intensive search for him was launched november 22nd this is four days later this is uh uh this is the day after his sister had called sister lets two days go by and then goes okay that's enough calls and then they

they they you know get the search together and on the 22nd they kind of go out there the search eventually grows to include agents from the georgia bureau of invest of investigation yeah local police state everybody's involved in this looking for this guy. So they expand this to include an area of Potts Pond Road in East Lamar County after a wallet that is identified as belonging to Donald Clark is found in that region. So they go over there by a resident, not even by police. Donald Clark is found in that region. So they go over there by a resident, not even by police. After the disappearance, they after a week goes by the police and crime scene investigators ask, can we look around your place here?

You know, Jennifer, check around, make sure that, you know, maybe there was a struggle. Maybe somebody kidnapped him, whatever. So they go through and they do find traces of Donald's blood in certain parts of the house. But he's lived there for like 20 years. So I guarantee you anywhere you live for 20 years, your blood's in places. Maybe not in a puddle, but little bits. It'll be a spatter. You cut yourself while you were doing something on the wall.

And now it's around. We'll be able to figure out you lived here. That's the thing. Yeah, they're going to find your DNA there. So also, though, they find a lot of remnants of cleaning chemicals in this area as well in the house. Near the blood? Near everything. So the house has been cleaned with a lot of chemicals.

There's blood. It's suspicious, but it's not a home run. Nothing that anybody can do about it. So early December 2008 here this is uh you know search has been going on for 10 days to two weeks they're looking jennifer and michael yost are arrested okay not for anything to do with donald though what for they are arrested for breaking into into cars oh apparently in her 30s nine months pregnant yeah this is the weird life apparently they were he was breaking in the car she was with him and they were doing i don't know

if they were stealing or it's not clear exactly what was going on but they were caught breaking into cars and she's arrested for endangerment of her children when they're both taken into custody for i would love to have the details on this but i also am happy i don't because it would make me fucking furious they were apparently neighbors complained of them hog tying the kids in the backyard how do you so i don't know if this was you know michael yost your kids are a pain in the ass i'm gonna hog tie him or if she was okay with i don't know if this was Michael Yost, your kids are a pain in the ass, I'm going to hog tie them, or if she was okay with that. I don't know what the fuck, but that is... That's beyond me.

That's disturbing. You're bringing ropes with a kid? In the backyard, too. They're not even... Exposed? They're animals, basically. That's what they're doing. We're going to put you out there like a bad animal.

So she's arrested for that. I bet they got a sick hog call. Oh, yeah. Oh, my. The best. The best. Sue. Sue, hey. so she's arrested for that i bet they got a sixth hog call oh yeah that's the best the best the best jimmy the best so december 23rd 2008 donald's still missing yeah they are in and out of jail they go in and they come back out again authorities now are searching comprehensive search in eastern lamar after that wallet came up uh state helicopter was called in they spend most of the area of the 23rd searching to no avail uh also more ponds were were you know in that area they dealt with all the ponds there i saw a picture of them with uh

they had a boat and a bunch of guys on the boat with the long sticks going i mean it was they were serious about this shit. All sorts of people out. Crime scene tape around things they didn't even know was a crime scene. The boat there was doing it. They had volunteers doing this. And along with, they needed just bodies. They need people to spread out to cover this kind of ground.

So, also, they have dogs here. Two dogs are working the woods around the pond. And they're switching the teams of dogs out, and they're full court press. Yeah, they're doing the whole thing. Yeah, Sheriff Joe Bucci. Wow. B-U-I-C-E. Buce? Juice?

Like, Buce? Juice? That's Beetle Buce. Joe Beetle Buce. He spent most of the day in the woods conducting a foot search of the area. They said they were going to do it into the night. Cadaver dogs were brought in, everything like that. That's when they found Donald's boots on the 23rd.

And we got boots and wallet. We got boots and a wallet and a bat as well. We found an aluminum baseball bat in the woods as well. Near the boots. Oh, boy. Yeah. So December 24th christmas eve jingle jingle bells oh boy jingle bells this corpse smells brand new baby um yes she has a

brand new baby and uh this is the day where the sheriff joe buce there he's the one who finds the deer carcass smells it and says search the tree line and that's when they find donald and that's who is this thing shot. The deer. That's who I'm not sure about the condition of the deer. That's horrifying. If I don't know that I'd want to find whoever killed the deer and the man. If that deer is like bludgeon today.

Yeah, I used his bat. It was somebody chased down a deer and beat the shit out of the bat. I don't want to find that person ever there are people back east yeah that that's how they hunt with their bare hands stop that no no i have a guy that i know yeah that i met that worked on a film of mine uh this guy has a video footage that i have seen that he showed me and this is 2007 on his phone nothing that he could have like you know doctored or anything. And he was like, yeah, we do this all the time.

Him and his dad and his brothers do this. They sit in trees and wait for the deer to come under them, and they fucking fall on the deer. Choke it out? They choke it out. They choke it out trying to break its neck. They fucking have hand-to-hand combat with this deer. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Listen, if you can do that, you deserve that deer.

And the kid was a huge pussy, too, which was the weirdest thing. I was like, what are you afraid of? I've seen you fight nature with your bare hands. That's not a pussy at all. He was. He might be a little guy. No, no, no, no no he wasn't little he was just a real scared like not like a guy who was very confident in his physical abilities and i'm like

why are you like this you're a badass what's wrong with you well he's fucking he horrifies me i can't imagine oh it was the most frightening thing i've ever seen how could you do that that must be the most tasty jerky ever if you can do it like that's just disturbing man so that's how you should hunt from now on yeah i know that it's it's possible now if you can do it that way fine have at it it's wild man so someone will tweet us going yeah my family does that too unbelievable what that is disturbing i do not want to hang out with your family jackie chan in the in the tree they fall on it's just like this weird like wrestling match because they're the things trying to get away from you're hanging on to its neck trying to like break its neck it's crazy

you're gonna rip its throat craziest thing i've ever seen in my life man no weapons none it's nuts so it's crazy wow i mean i guess you know what? If you're going to hunt. Yeah. I'm thinking it's brutal. It's brutal. But if you're going to hunt, you're giving the animal an equal chance. Yep. They have just as much chance as you. It is, you know, being versus being at that point.

There's no. Beast on beast. Yeah. No technology. None of ours. Here's my guns. None of that shit. You literally are fighting for your life against this thing.

At that point you know what hunt all you want if you can do that then yeah i say until whatever you want to put it on the wall you deserve that deer head you took it head the whole thing see the size this thing i wrestled it to the ground kidding me i beat this thing to death beat the shit out of this thing so uh i do want to see that yeah jesus so this uh they find donald this is when they find him in in quote an advanced state of decomposition oh no he's been there for a month hence the jingle bell song right earlier uh he said that they were talking about the corn field adjacent to where the body was found and that's then they broke for lunch and came back

in the afternoon and they pulled into a field and smelled rotting flesh found the decaying deer near the road and then that's when they said hmm i don't know about that he surmised that those involved with the killing had also killed the deer and intentionally left it there to throw the smell off what's that smell oh a dead deer and you keep going which is i guess smart if you're going to do that now uh the odd thing is they go who lives around here you know who lives around here well the closest closest structure dwelling is a mobile home a trailer uh belonging to michael yost's mother melissa so not by mom's house if there's one thing that mid georgia has it's a shitload of nowhere yeah

there's a lot of middle of nowhere yeah don't pick the middle of nowhere right by your somewhere you dumb son of a bitch the somewhere you were just kicked out of yeah right the somewhere it's maybe they did that go he does that going uh they'll never think i'm here i'm not allowed here it wasn't me wasn't me. It wasn't me. No, I didn't get along with him. Well, that was his father and his stepmother. This is a completely different thing. Oh, this is an entirely different house. This is his mom.

Oh, boy. So not smart. I guess if they never found him, whatever. But when they find him and then they connect, oh, that makes sense. What's the odds if someone else killed this guy and then dumped him by this guy's mom's house? I mean, that's pretty wild. So the Donald's car is later discovered as well. guy and then dumped him by this guy's mom's house i mean that's pretty that's pretty wild so um the donald's car is later discovered as well did you say the donald's car the donald's car i was gonna

say the car then i was like i should probably yeah say whose car yeah you don't think it's a police car like it donald's car was later located at a motel near the interstate here and we'll tell i got the name of the hotel and all that by the way the medical examiner through all this gets to gets to look through this deal here and the medical examiner yikes this is rough here he says that donald's death could have resulted from either blunt force trauma to the head because he was beaten with a object yeah probably the baseball bat we're thinking since it was found nearby. Or from asphyxia as a result of plastic bags being tied over his head. Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah. We'll talk about that. The body was less than 300 yards from Yost's mom's house. That's pretty close. The crime scene specialist got to do all of that. They made a positive identification. It was wrapped tightly and what appeared to be a quilt and then another camouflage things uh over it like we said and uh they found the well-worn path the cups and the mixed drink and the cellophane the trash flag

we call it this is very uh reminiscent of casino james yeah cornfield right there yeah aluminum bats this is they joe pesci this whole situation so police decide let's arrest them both they arrest jennifer and michael okay yeah now just to get a round up here um now what they do is this is funny as shit at first when she was arrested they asked him about uh they asked her about what what happened when she was arrested for uh child endangerment and all that and she had a completely different story that you're gonna love but uh we'll talk about this uh they get arrested and they both say that they have first-hand knowledge okay uh the sheriff says quote after the arrest clark and yost each requested to speak to the sheriff and me during those interviews they both admitted their involvement in the case they gave us information

only the perpetrator would have so we believe their confessions are legitimate difference is they've just both blamed each other completely of course one said one bashed him the other said the other bashed him uh the difference is one of them's like a 22 year old guy and one of them is a nine month pregnant woman. Yeah. Nine months pregnant is really pregnant. Yeah. If you're five, six months pregnant, you get around.

Nine months pregnant is when you go, whoa, to get out of the chair. Yeah. You lead with your belly button. And you stand up and take like three steps before you have your balance, and then you're like, that's nine months pregnant. A 35-year-old nine-month pregnant woman is the same able body as an 88-year-old man. It's very difficult. Yeah, it's hard. And I get what women are going to say.

I always did this. I get it. But not like the week before you gave birth. For most women, I'll say that. Some people get around great. For most women, difficult for them to get around in the ninth month. Trying to save us some social media time there. So we get it.

So he says, says quote each is saying the other hit donald in the head with the bat they wrapped his head in a bag and wrapped him up in the sheets and quilt in the bed he was in when he was struck donald either died from the blow or suffocated after his head was bagged ah that is fucking horrible They then put the body in the trunk of his own car. Oh, no. And then he said, quote, he drove down Potts Pond Road and started throwing stuff out of the car. That's why they were fine. Like boots here.

Wallet over there. He hid the body near his mother's home because it was a place he was familiar with. And he's a moron. He panicked. They then dumped the car in Forssyth that's how he found the car they told us where it was because once they got him in custody they both said yeah then we did that so yost some okay if you're the police and you both have he did it she did it the opposite stories in this case who you believe in obviously one's an accomplice and one did it so they're both

arrested that doesn't matter i mean who do you think did the actual batting? I'm pretty sure it's the dude. You think, right? Generally, a nine month pregnant, even if she can swing a bat, she can't beat a man to death. It's hard. You know how hard it would be just to swing the bat at nine months pregnant? That's like a real. You really got to get your waist around.

Yeah. It's hard to get that torque going to get the pop in the ball when you're nine months pregnant right just swinging it with your arms isn't enough to kill somebody i don't think nine month pregnant women aren't known as like oh i should be afraid of that person physically because they're gonna take me down that's not normal the strength of two people no yeah it's probably half a person strength wise because there's one sucking strength from her there's tons of blood inside that woman yeah too that's they make a lot yeah you know i've never actually heard of like this late term late term violent streak in a woman to start taking people down physically not like a with a gun or a knife just you know fucking feeding them i i hear the rage

but not the ability to let it out. The physical desire. The rage is certainly there. So Yost, the police go, we'll make a deal with Yost and say that Jennifer was the one that bashed him with the bat. That's the story the state's running with. The state is running with Yost gets a deal if he testifies against jennifer and tells the story of how she beat him to death with a bat that's not uh a police department that finds a deer and goes this is clearly cover for that body that's what i'm saying this is weird well that's different this is who's charging is the prosecutors and the police they're the ones who decide the prosecutors

are the ones who decide who gets the deal good point police take all the statements take them the prosecutor the evidence they have no say in who gets a goddamn deal. So what he'll say, this is Yost's story. He said on November 17th, Jennifer instructed him to come to the Clark's house very early the next morning on the 18th, telling him that she would be ready with some clothes packed. That's his story. You come pick me up.

I'll be ready with some shit packed. Are they going to go to the hospital to deliver a baby she's nine months pregnant right uh later on she called him the same day to instruct him to wait for her to signal with the back porch light to indicate when it was safe for him to come to the door you come to my house in the middle of the night hang out and then i'll do some back porch light something. And that's when you can come up to the door and come in and get me. Okay. So he goes to the house like she told him.

He waits for the porch light signal. He said he got a signal. He went into the house. He saw at that point, he said he walked in and saw Jennifer retrieve an aluminum baseball bat and walk into the bedroom and hit Donald in the head with it several times while he slept, which I guess you got to get some force into that. Otherwise, you're just going to wake him up and he's going to grab the bat. And he's going to be very mad and pull it.

And then you're going to fall over because you have a bowling ball in your stomach. So it's a different, you know, that's how it's going to work. So he says specifically that Donald began making gurgling sounds as a result of the trauma. Jennifer said that basically he says that Jennifer told him that he either had to help dispose of the body or risk losing their unborn child. I'm going to go to jail and they're going to take the kid away, so you better help me if you want your kid. So that's what he says. He says he says he argued with her but then he eventually agreed to help her you know he's such a he's really torn

obviously he's such a good guy so um ridiculous so he says he admitted that after the beating it was he who tied two plastic bags around donald's head which could have been the cause of death anyway so and that's worse for christ's sake uh he then said that he uh he and jennifer rolled his body in the bed linens and placed him in the trunk of his own car along with his wallet his work boots and the aluminum bat that's the the big plan here so they've got camouflage sheets quite the dismount yeah you know that just comes with that's i think you get those when you move to georgia probably you move out of like a city they're like here's your sheets all right and the charlie daniel city and your confederate flag got it from the flea market yeah I think you get those when you move to Georgia. Probably. You move out of a city, they're like, here's your sheets. All right.

And a Charlie Daniels CD. And your Confederate flag. Got it from the flea market. Yeah. As we always mention, southern flea markets are 75. If there's 75 booths, there's like 68 that sell Confederate memorabilia. And then a couple that do watercolors of flowers and shit. And one that has almost all Lynyard skinner yeah and then one that

does confederate watercolors which is really weird it's only that confederate then leonard skinner watercolors so you want the stars and bars and what's your name i'll put that on i'll put it on and you want leonard skinner in the foreground correct so you want leonard skinner flag with your name under it with stars correct that? That's what you look. Okay, perfect. I'll make it. And an eagle. How about an eagle flying under Leonard? So they're above the eagle showing their superiority over nature and over the height. They're the pinnacle.

They're in heaven. And behind all that, stars and bars. And then I'll put you up in this top corner, wrestling a deer. How about that? What'd you say? I'll have you not on the deer because it'll be hard to see, but the deer will be standing there in the tree

and you'll be in midair between branch and deer back. Spread eagle in attack mode. Ready to, and I'll put in your eyes like a look of viciousness with like, you know, your hands will be in a claw type motion, your teeth like, like you're going to bite them. You know what I mean? Like you're the rage of be in a claw type motion your teeth like yeah like

you're gonna bite them you know what i mean like you're the rage of a nine month pregnant woman on your face like human predator in action you know what i mean i'm put that on there rage nine months of rage i kind of want that picture i gotta do too you know someone's gonna draw that's the fucking hilarious part and I can't wait to see it. That's the even funnier part. That's the only usage of the Confederate flag that I approve of. Otherwise, we don't want to see the Confederate flag. I never want to see that flag.

But that's hilarious. If you're doing it like that, you know what? That's pretty fucking funny. Stars and bars it up. It has to be hilarious with the deer or else it's no good. It's something ridiculous. Something silly. Jesus Christ.

So it's at this point that Jennifer gave, according to Michael, Jennifer gave Michael the keys to Donald's car. Also gave him Donald's cell phone. She instructed him to get rid of the items, the body and the car, and make it appear as if Donald just left home. Make it look like he left. So he said he didn't clean anything in the house before he left in Donald's car. She stayed behind to clean, just like she told the sister, I just cleaned the house that morning. I don't know.

So he drove to a field, that field by his mom's house, dragged Donald's body into the woods, covered it in a camouflage blanket as well, because he literally thought that would camouflage it. Yeah. You'll never find it. If you're going to be close enough to see it, you're going to smell it, and it doesn't

matter at that point. It's real tree camo. You'll never see this. Yeah. You're never going to see it. It blends in. It's got like them sticks looking things on it. It ain't just like-

That real tree is impressive. It's not like Vietnam camo, like not going to be be seen whoever thought of that it is pretty smart i'll put leaves all over my gun so weird yeah what the fuck so funny he uh did all of that disposed of the wallet and the work boots and the bat as he drove he parked donald's car at a motel in forsyth georgia and waited for Jennifer to contact him. Jennifer sent a text to Donald's phone stating that the children were on the school bus, and Yost, here, who had Donald's phone, responded with K.

So it looked like he left home and was still in contact with her that morning even. So he couldn't have been dead. He was still texting, for fuck's sake. And he's texting from a motel in Forsyth. So maybe he left and he stopped and stayed at a hotel and now who knows where he is so if they ping the thing they know where it came from they're trying to be smart about it but it's they're not smart enough so when smart when semi-smart people try to be too smart it comes out dumb right that's how it works it doesn't work i would do it yep uh so then jennifer picked up

yost at the motel tossed donald's cell phone out of the car window and uh she had already cleaned the bloody bedroom before they got back to the house so by the afternoon by the time the kids are home from school like it never happened everything's fiddle faddle there it is it's all never happened lemon fresh in here yep uh Yep. Jennifer also has a story. Jennifer's story here, which is amazing. While she was jailed for the child abuse and all that, she this is fucking amazing. She claimed to the police that they said, well, where's your husband to? You did all this.

Your husband's gone. Let's talk about your husband. Now that we have you in here for something else. She claimed that, well, the night before he disappeared i don't understand it we uh we ate dinner i blew him and then he just disappeared yeah that's what she claimed okay she claimed that they ate dinner she's like i blew him good yeah and then went to sleep in another room yeah you know and then i woke up and he's gone it's a fascinating bit of the story i gotta throw that part in so it makes it look like yeah i'm really

everything was great yeah i was i blew him it was wonderful i know he loved it and then he left no guy leaves after that right he's gonna stick around i did maybe the nicest thing i blew him and then i went and slept in another room that's what i mean like give him all the comfort and relaxation i also left food in there for him like's what I mean. Give him all the comfort and relaxation. I also left food in there for him. Like, what else do you need? And I kept the kids away so that he could get his rest. No, he's going to say, I'll stay here forever.

Yes. This is phenomenal. I never leave. Yeah, she said that. Then the guy interviewing her confronted her with accounts from neighbors who heard an audible fight in the yard of the Clark home and saw Michael Yost arrive in a red pickup and later saw the black Honda Civic speed out of the driveway. They don't live in the middle of nowhere. People are watching what's going on, whether there's kids hogtied or you're switching bodies and doing a murder. They're looking out

the window being nosy. What the hell are they doing over there now? She's over there with that young one again. I thought they moved out. Look at her waddling all pregnant through the yard. You know there's some old lady neighbor looking out at the blinds just talking mad shit about her. She's back. She moved back in.

Nine months, here she is again. Look at her. Now she's here just like none of us are going to remember. Like we ain't going to remember she left. We know your business. We've been watching. We've been listening. We know your business.

We jot it down. That's what I'm saying here. And I'm going to find out exactly here about the house. Also, it's 301 Crane Road in Barnesville. How much property is around it? Now it's Zebulon is technically what it is there. They changed the street? Oh, they changed the area. Yeah, let's see. Crane see crane road at 211 000 bucks that's what it looks like oh it's nice

it's a nice little house but that's that's one that draws attention to three bedroom right to it yeah three bedroom two bath 1280 feet nice pitch of the roof it's beautiful not a bad little house yeah it's a nice little family house so they all see this happening around that nice little house right and uh so jennifer uh yeah she claims that he just left uh for work and then took off and never came back yeah left early she denied inviting michael to the house that morning uh contrary to what he said she said that on the morning of the murder she was awakened by a loud crack and then she saw looked in and saw michael yo standing by the side of the bed wearing a ski mask and holding the aluminum bat.

She knew it was him. She woke up. Whoa. Yeah, I don't know. He's wearing a ski mask. She knew exactly who that was. The gate of his swing. Yeah.

I've seen him hit line drives before. We go down to the cages, and he's just got the prettiest, most level swing. It's just be line drives to the alley mr doubles i call him we just go down to the park and he hits the fly balls and i chase him down nine months i shag him yeah that's how it works we shag fly balls i catch him in my mouth that's it's wonderful and then i kick him back to him from the outfield right so that's her story she said that she remembered being so pregnant at the time that she could never beat someone with a baseball bat to death in fact she said that she couldn't even sit up without taking

10 or 15 minutes she said i was just i couldn't even move i was so pregnant that it was a real struggle to even sit up so she also told them that michael began taunting and threatening her and the safety of her children if she told anyone what he had done. That's what she says after he had killed Donald with the baseball bat. Or if she did not do what he says to do after this. He's going to kill her kids too.

Start hitting them with baseball bats. She said that Michael told her that he was sparing her life only because she was pregnant with his child. She's fucking lucky it's odd i had to hit you with this bat too which doesn't really make sense um if the goal is to be together which seems to be the whole goal here why would he kill her which just doesn't make any sense why would he kill either one of them doesn't make sense if he doesn't want her then

just leave and don't have anything to do with them right or if he wants her kill the husband and be with her we wouldn't threaten to kill her and the husband that doesn't make sense right though there's a point in this and yeah doing that makes erases the point erases everything jennifer also said that she did not help him murder donald or dispose of donald's body she said he acted completely alone bashed him up put plastic bags on his head rolled him up in a thing put him out in the trunk and boom gone that's all him uh she said that she didn't help anything she said that uh he explained and gave to her uh that he gave her instructions on what to do and what to say after the murder as

well she said that uh you know uh he was just a knew what to do she also admitted to picking him up the morning after the murder but said she did so because it was quote part of what she was supposed to do it's what he said and she also says that she has no feelings for for michael yost at all not into him whatsoever uh when they were arrested though this is pretty funny because as she tells them that in custody but when they were arrested by the way all dressed up on christmas eve yeah ready to sit in there with literally eggnog on christmas eve having like a ugly sweater ugly sweater party carrying on her her her keys her keychain is a big i heart michael keychain oh my

that's literally her keychain no feelings for him i heart michael keychain fucking moron i found it and it just happened to have the same name michael's very popular very popular name one of the most popular i got it at a michael jackson concert in 87 i did that's i love michael i heart him as a matter of fact i heart him very good so uh one of the people who reports on this all through everything right up until now from 2008 right up until now is a reporter named walter geiger and it's a guy who's writes for barnesville.com and like some herald gazette some shit i don't know but i found everything on barnesville.com that he wrote and he is really pissed at jennifer clark and it's like no he wants her right away

he's like this is what the death penalty was made for wow fuck this lady fuck this michael yost fuck them both what's his name uh walter geiger okay he's got a lot of information and he's he's very angry for donald clark and for donald clark's family as well he really is he says in one report here quote i had a bad feeling about donald clark almost as soon as i heard about his disappearance it's a small area that's how small it is uh shortly after he vanished i contacted jennifer clark to gather information and acquire a photo of donald to go with the print and online stories about his disappearance pictures routinely and necessarily accompany missing persons accounts but she wouldn't give me one okay what wife of a missing person

wouldn't give a fucking publication his photo to say he's missing right that's insanity nobody would stonewall that every you put it out please give it to everybody as many outlets as you can this is the most recent yeah and uh he said that i knew something was wrong then he said i got the distinct impression that she did not want her husband found. I knew deep down that Donald was dead. And then he said after he talked to the sister, Brenda, and he found out the stuff about her saying I wanted to feel what it felt like and all that shit and getting more of the details about the boyfriend and everything. He said, now I'm pretty positive of what happened here. I wish she would have been found alive and happy just because Walt's grim as as fuck man yeah walt's walt walt's grim i knew he was dead god damn it knew he was

dead where's the death penalty i mean anything that happens he's like it was a baseball bat i knew everything but all of his stories have like the family follows his stuff and they're like thank you so much for doing this and for you know for our family and everything and yeah so walt's walt's grim but i feel like he needs to be grim he was on this is a grim situation this isn't a grim karen no well it kind of is because grim karen was kind of yeah so you know what grim was doing that shit right out of the gate though we got grim walter from now on the male grim karen's a grim walter that's it period you're a walt don't be a grim walter come on man that's perfect i like it

but he's a good reporter though he does a good job grim old grim walter geiger does a good job so i don't want to say anything bad about him but he's fucking grim mate let's be honest he made it a grim walt christmas that's it it's a grim walt christmas to quote neil from the in-betweeners that's grim mate it really is it really is so uh he says all that now they found his car the day after christmas i think they took christmas off even though they know where the car was they're like let's it'll still be there it ain't going anywhere it ain't going anywhere so no they find him uh they process the car on the 29th of december they said the car has been missing and presumably been there since november 19th which is fucking crazy um that no one it's the trade winds motel just sitting there the trade

yeah sitting in the parking lot of the trade winds motel uh there are indications in the inside of the car that the body was transported in the trunk of the vehicle in addition to them saying it but they found physical proof um yeah they said uh the department got a tip regarding the whereabouts of the vehicle which nobody saw and the tip ended up being those two confessing to it so there's that grand jury comes in indicts jennifer clark and michael clark for malice murder felony murder predicated on aggravated assault five counts of aggravated assault one count of of aggravated battery, one count of concealing the death of another, and one count of tampering with evidence. Clark is also indicted on two counts of cruelty to children in the first degree.

Wow. For making her kids do shit like that. Right. Hog tying them and making them call their father and shit. That's disgusting. She's got to be pounding on the walls going, no, no, no, no, no. He did all this. Yeah. Why are you charging me me you want to see her in court oh yeah i do this is what she this is her in court okay oh that's not oh cleft very nice she hides her face and

gives us the finger she's talking to the girl next to her you can see that but she hides her face with the pin yeah she's got her court docs in front of her right and uh puts those in front of her face got her pink handcuffs on and given the finger. What a bitch. Yeah. Not nice. From what she's done so far, not just for the finger, this whole thing. Yeah.

She's an asshole, man. She's an asshole. So Yost ends up negotiating a plea of guilty to malice murder, concealing the death of another and tampering with evidence in exchange for a promise to testify truthfully at Jennifer's trial. OK, so she gets the trial. But with the with that plea, what how many years does that is an intense charge? That's a lot of charge. Malice murder is horrible. It's not good. No, he's not. He doesn't get off easy at all. It's basically like, well, we can try for the death penalty.

We can say it was all you and just try you for the death penalty because if we believe her story it's all you right and you're going to the electric chair basically so he's like well actually it was all her and i'll tell you whatever you want to hear oh boy and i'll take uh you know life sentence or whatever as we'll find out okay so february 27 2009 everybody's locked up okay this is the best thing i've ever found in the history of small-town murder okay i swear to god had no idea this was in here have had this case out forever this is such a small nugget of in here deep so i never got to this point has nothing to do with the case but it's the best thing we've ever found february 27th february 27 2009 some prisoners have weapons and alcohol

okay this is an article about it four of these prisoners as a matter of fact have alcohol one of them kenneth michael yost yeah as he said in the paper michael yost the three others that have that have yeah weapons and alcohol jimmy yeah i'm so excited i'm shaking ronald eugene smith jesse sebastian and james wisman jimmy look at it w-i-s-m-a-n james wisman there he is that asshole my kenneth michael yost ronald eugene smith jesse sebastian and j James Wispin had a hearing before Judge William Thomas yesterday. Oh my God. You fuck up.

You are trash, Jimmy. I told you. I'm Southern Georgia trash. Jesus, you got toilet wine and fucking shanks? What are you doing? Hanging out with this dirtbag? That's incredible. I proved it. Yeah. Give me enough time. I'll uncover your shit. I swear to God. there's a draft pick for

the fucking uh for the golden state warriors i believe his name is james wisman there's so many wismans there's a lot of wismans they're really coming out the woodwork today this one's my favorite ever though to find this and the guy that's arrested for toilet hooch and shank how many murders are there millions how many. How many do we cover? Just the minuscule amount of them. What are the odds that out of all those, we pull somebody that gets busted with a James? It's ridiculous. It could go by Jimmy Westman. It's a Christmas miracle.

It's a holiday miracle, everybody. It's a Westman's miracle. Jingle bells. This corpse smells. Yay. It's been here for a month georgia isn't cold enough to freeze out all the funk yay it's a christmas miracle so this is unbelievable yeah watch out for the bombs hey real street camels blankets will hide this

from the cops. Put a deer hiding all your stink. Drive the Civic, drop it off and get her to abortion clinic. It's too late. It's way too late

i don't care about this song my eyes are tearing up it's so good i gotta be able to read okay jingle bells dark is fantastic this is the best song ever. It is. It's fun. So, wow, this is amazing. So anyway, the other people were murderers as well. Yeah. All that sort of shit. So, wow, that's really weird. The sheriff said that it was a shakedown that conducted after inmates flushed foreign matter down a toilet, causing a sewage back.

Oh. Flush a weapon. You got the bags in there? Yeah. Weapons found were stretched trash bags, which had been braided. and matter down a toilet oh causing a sewage back oh flush of weapons in there or weapons weapons found were stretched trash bags which had been braided into five foot sections so they braided them so there was like a big sword kind of things you can oh and then harden it oh my dental floss tied between two toothbrushes was also found as like a garotte basically what the fuck yeah dental floss is hard to get it's hard to break holy shit uh yeah and a bed sheet had been torn into sections and

tied together was also located there what a horrible way to die i would say so that's what i mean dental products that's horrible this isn't is this cherry flavored four out of five doctors recommend it four out of five medical examiners recommend being strangled with dental floss with this brand dental floss so they said yeah these are common household items that can become deadly when fashioned into weapons a makeshift garage pulled around an officer's neck can incapacitate and kill him quickly yeah the handbook issued to inmates prohibits alteration of any issued supplies or equipment, but only constant supervision can help prevent these attempts. The case is moved from Lamar County to Butts County because it's hilarious.

Yeah. And because of pre-trial publicity, because this is obviously they're going to talk about this. Walter Geiger alone is going to get the thing moved. I don't care. You have to trial up your butt for all I care. Butts, that's the place we'll go. We'll go there. We're going to go the thing moved. I don't care. Give the trial up your butt for all I care. But that's the place we'll go. We'll go there. We were going to go to Fulton, but fuck it. She faces 12 counts, which is malice, murder, felony murder, concealing the death, tampering, cruelty. We went over the whole thing.

No death penalty here, though. No death penalty on the table here. January 2011 is finally the trial, so it's a while. january 2011 is finally the trial so it's a while uh 12 jurors there and two alternates consist of eight white males two black males and two white females and two black females okay that's the jury set up uh the trial the opening the prosecution he tells the jury that donald clark you know in march 2008 called 9-1-1 awoke to find his wife had thrown a sheet over him and was holding an aluminum baseball bat in a menacing way. The same bat that they allege killed him. So they're connecting it that way.

Well, he called 911 and said she was doing it then, and then it happened. So there you go. She did it. So they said, however, though, that Jennifer moved back into the home in order to exact revenge following a bitter divorce. Said, quote, we don't have a recording of Donald saying why he took her back. But it seems to be it seems to me the main reason he took her back was for the benefit of his two sons. Yeah. Which, yeah.

Why else would you take back someone you just divorced? Right. If you didn't have kids. So in the early morning hours, they say that she attacked him by bludgeoning him multiple times with a bat as he slept. They said that Michael was present as well. The children were asleep in the home when this happened, which is crazy. Then she convinced Michael to help her move and dispose of the body before she cleaned up and attempted to mislead Donald's family, friends and workplace about his whereabouts. The defense, on the other hand, has a different story.

They say she has no motive to kill her ex-husband they were reconciling she was she blew him the night before right it's on the police thing that's what she said she said uh that uh they classify her as they try to portray michael yost as a young lover obsessed with jennifer clark their first serious relationship he's obsessed and argued that he killed Donald Clark out of jealousy when it became apparent that she was going back to him, which is certainly possible. That's logical.

That's more logical than a nine-month pregnant woman move back in and then beat a guy to death with a baseball bat all by herself. That's just a weird thing. He also argued that nine, she argued nine months pregnant with Yost's child that she would be incapable of wielding a bat she said

quote she could barely lift a laundry basket which yeah you're not supposed to lift a lot when you're that pregnant the defense attorney also argued that she did not immediately report the death be out of fear of retribution from Yost because of all the threats Michael Yost gets on the stand and they question him about

his murder conviction they get additional testimony about his guilty pleas, concealing the death of another and all that sort of shit. They go into unrelated felony burglary convictions from the past and other crimes, misdemeanors he's had. Russell questioned Yost extensively about multiple prior inconsistent statements that he made to police during the investigation, which resulted in him admitting that he, quote, told a lot of lies to the police when they were trying to cover it up heard the crack here he is with a ski mask said you're lucky i'm not beating you too bitch you know fucking you know start help me roll them up i'm gonna get rid of them this is what we're doing okay so the closing closing arguments the prosecution here to uh alleged that despite knowing donald was dead misled their two young sons into believing their father had abandoned them which is horrible quote she pretended to be concerned for her sons when she was the cause of their suffering that's cold and in her closing argument here the defense council said that uh yos credibility wasn't there he's a convicted felon and a trained liar with multiple convictions can't be trusted trained liar trained the courses for that apparently he's his only thing he's been a good student at.

He's got a GED line. The jury doesn't believe, I don't know if they believed either one of them, but they deliberate for 40 minutes. Yeah. That is light for a murder trial, before finding her guilty on everything. Wow. All counts, cross the board, they don't like her. Maybe don't flip people off in court.

That's the other thing fucking asshole uh sentencing the judge tommy wilson sentenced her uh well let's see he tells her before he sentences her my goodness quote i wish i could give you the death penalty oh god you ma'am yeah that's a fuck off right there may fuck off sentences her to 60 years uh life in prison plus 60 years okay so life plus 60 it is life in prison for malice murder 10 years consecutive after that for concealing 10 years consecutive for tampering 20 years consecutive for two counts of cruelty to children in the first degree wow and uh life in prison plus an additional 60 you can get 20 years for that for that yeah especially when it's yeah i guess when you add it to this you're giving her the you're maxing her

out on shit dude that's probably the max that's great yeah it's probably 1 to 20 years is the thing uh her attorney also says that she is jennifer is ordered not to have contact with uh her two sons until they are at least 18 oh and then they get to the side and then the con and then contact can be initiated and then contact cannot be initiated by her they have to look yes she's not allowed to reach out to them ever oh boy ever no matter what so the reaction sister brenda here who's been through i mean she's got if she feels probably guilty and responsible and sad and i feel so bad for this woman she's the through i mean she's got if she feels probably guilty and responsible and sad and i feel so bad for this woman she's the sister she says she's been raising the two boys since he's

dead and she's in jail and that jennifer clark and yost's child was put up for adoption okay so that's somebody some that kid's walking around somewhere now um yeah of the verdict handed down she said quote we got justice and that's what we prayed for so on uh in 2012 the uh she files all sorts of shit to try to get an appeal to try to get a new trial 2020 this year yeah uh decided in august of this year just a couple months just a couple months ago uh she says that her trial counsel was constitutionally ineffective by failing to request that the jury be instructed that in assessing Yost's credibility, the jury could consider his convictions for murder, tampering with evidence and concealing the death of another, all related to Donald's murder and everything which were admitted through everything without objection. She said, closing arguments, my attorney didn't attack yost enough okay didn't do that enough she says her trial counsel should have requested that the jury receive the following instruction in determination and determining the credibility of michael yost and any testimony by him in court you may consider evidence offered to attack cast

out upon and challenge his credibility or cause you to disbelieve yost this would include the evidence of proof that yost has been convicted of the offense of murder and burglary she said that she said her lawyer didn't try to get the judge to instruct the jury that so then he's incompetent okay okay um yeah wouldn't you love to be a lawyer that defended somebody for their life yeah uh worked your ass off and then they come back and call you literally incompetent a lot of times they are incompetent but here it doesn't seem like it that's the thing i went to school for so long yeah for this fucking idiot to call me doesn't know she never stepped on a college campus i'm incompetent me

great now they say the defense to the law says the trial the attorney must have performed a trial in an objectively unreasonable way considering all the circumstances and in light of prevailing professional norms sorry doesn't add up to that uh about yos she's they said the the jury was fully aware of the disreputable nature of his character he was up there saying, I fucking help. I put a plastic bag on a man's head and dumped him in the woods. That's pretty interesting there. And the Clark.

So they say there has not shown reasonable probability that but for trials alleged error, the result of Clark's trial would have been any different. Clark's claim that her trial counsel rendered constitutionality ineffective assistance therefore fails because it was one of those where there's not even if they did fuck up the things you're asking for wouldn't change the outcome of your stupid trial so you know it's one of those things judgment affirmed all justices concur no dissenters fuck off she's in prison for a long shit time holy fuck in there for a while so uh currently uh michael yost is in jail at the smith state prison what's his sentence life really he's got i forgot you sir yeah may fuck off life with possibility of parole he's gonna do 25 probably yeah he's gotta do that which he's coming up on he's not gonna get out that's a tough one at the

parole hearing he's got a malice murder and concealment he's got to say i was young the way that the record is is best for him because the record is all i did was help get rid of him and all that kind of shit i wasn't the guy you know that's what's in the legal record so that's advantage to him but and he's willing to say i did it and i was terrible and all that kind of shit he can say i was young i was blinded by love of an older woman who was manipulating me and this and that. She was pregnant with my kid. Yeah. You never know.

He's not getting out. No way he's getting out. Who knows? He's currently in there. And Jennifer here, she is, let's see, she is at the Pulaski State Prison. And she's there for a while, too, as we know. She's not going anywhere for quite a while. That's pretty incredible. And we know she's not going anywhere for quite a while it's pretty incredible and donald he's not going anywhere for even longer of a time he is buried at

westwood gardens in uh griffin in spalding county georgia and uh so he's got a nice little plot i saw his gravestone it's very nice yeah pretty hopefully it looks like people keep it up i feel terrible for his kids they're so terrible and they're you know they're they've got a they got a very loving aunt they're 18 and 20 right now those kids yeah that's tough somebody worked their ass off for them under terrible circumstances and they so far made it i hope they fucking thrive oh i really do because that's just a tough way i hope yeah and and hats off to brenda for raising them as well. For sure. Hopefully everything worked out. They go to college and become lawyers.

Yeah, and this is currently being planned as a future episode of Snapped. Really? As well. I saw that they were, after the last thing, that they were in town interviewing people and shit like that for Snapped. Nobody Snapped. What the fuck? Well, that just means women killed somebody.

That's what Snapped is. Snapped is a woman killed somebody. just means women killed somebody that's what snapped is snapped is a woman killed somebody so and this is a for once i beat snapped to the punch because every woman that's ever killed anybody has an episode of snapped for some fucker every time i look it up like of course it was an episode of snapped whereas for once yeah eat shit snapped beat you fuckers and also they gotta calm down with the with the just a woman murdered this isn't there's nothing snapped about murder yeah humans murder that's how it works male female dick no dick it's all the same stop acting like it's some weird thing that gender women are like women are the same as it's the same shit we're all humans they

murder we murder it happens most times when women murder they they do it because the guy's beating the shit out of him he's a bad dude and this there's nothing this this was just a different scenario snapped no this is well this is this should be a jerk yeah it should be the show jerk exclamation point assholes so if you like this show please let us know about it get on apple podcast give us five stars it really does help drive you up the charts also uh head over to shut up and give me murder.com right now to get your tickets to the virtual live show i can't wait january the 29th and it's up for 72 hours after that so in case you can't make it there uh we are going to do it just like a regular show we're going to pretend like we're going to a theater we literally got the mics that we use on stage at a theater so you you guys, A, will be able to hear it better,

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birchall i don't want to fuck that up no that's a sounds important dick move wisman uh thank you so much uh christine what did i do christine shirado and uh her 14 year old daughter uh they both listen thank you so much i don't know her name nor do i want to know her name because that feels creepy i don't want to put a 14 year old girl's name in here no probably not jeremy forrest andrea papa george uh leah stoddard jordan bennett rick daniels doug and beth brummond uh hafidh cristobal uh he that guy's amazing i like that guy a lot uh hello bodega kitty ellie uh Hello, Bodega Kitty, Ellie Kamek. She's in Texas. Jackie Sukup. Also, Jackie with an I. I think it's two different people. I'm pretty sure it is because I know who Jackie Sukup is.

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Supporters. Supporters. You're fucking producers thank you thank you so much everybody you're unbelievable honestly thank you for everything thank you for making helping us survive this year uh not being able to go out on the road and you guys have supported us with the patreon and everything else and god thank you so much we you made our lives livable so thank you so much we really appreciate it what if somebody wanted to give you a little year-end cheer jimmy how could they do it was at wisman sucks w-h-i-s-m-a-n sucks on twitter and instagram thank you guys for everything uh where can they find you james i will not at

jimmy p is funny or just copy and paste my name that's probably easier because i don't know you know how to find people out there never Never mind all that shit, though. Thank you guys so much. Thanks to everybody so much for everything you've done for us this year. You're wonderful. Hope you enjoyed our Christmas-themed show. And, of course,

there'll be an episode next week. We're not running away. We'll be here every week. Bonus episode, all that stuff. With that said, until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. said until next week everybody it's been our pleasure bye hey prime members

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