Small Town Murder - #226 - Satan's Carnival - Auburn, Indiana

Episode Date: June 3, 2021

This week, in Auburn, Indiana, where a carnival comes to town, but it's not only filled with mediocre rides & fixed games, but also a small group of workers, who have formed a Satanic cult. Their rituals & practices get out of control when people start being found dead, in multiple areas. The question is, why did they commit a most savage & unthinkable acts of violence? For Satan, or simple convenience? Along the way, we find out that carnivals do not sound fun, that you might as well go for favorable terms when writing up a pact with Satan, and that it's very difficult to cut a heart out of a chest, while it is still beating! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh, that's hilarious. That's not funny. There's nothing funny about that, so we're not going to make a joke about that. But the idea of, I bet I can kill this person, tell everybody I know, and still get away with it. I bet that's funny. We'll make fun of that all day long. Bad, you know, small town that the police force lets the guy go free for 10 years. We make fun of murderers. Terrible plan, terrible dismount.

Bad stuff. So all of that years. We make fun of murderers. Terrible plan, terrible dismount. Bad stuff. So all of that. We'll make fun of that. But what we do not do is we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family. Why? Because we're assholes. Why? But we're not scumbags.

There it is. That's how it works there. So if that sounds good to you, telling you we're going to have a good time. If not, if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, you might not like the show. Might not be for you, but it might be for you because I don't think it's exactly what you think it is. But that said, everybody remaining, I think it's time to sit back, clear the old lungs and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. OK, let's do it.

Let's go on a trip shall we boy would i like it oh baby we are going here we're going all the way to indiana this time coming from of course rhode island where are we sure we want to go to indiana ever again indiana has given us so much fucking problems giving us grief there and you know what we're gonna keep going back what do we do what do we do when people when aniston gave us grief aniston alabama we did another episode about them that's what we do so aniston that's how we do it so that's how we're gonna do this and uh we're going to auburn indiana which i didn't know there was an auburn in indiana so um someone famous is from auburn indiana aren't they? Not that I know of. I swore I've heard of Auburn, Indiana.

Well, here it is. You've heard of it now. It's in northeastern Indiana, all the way near the Ohio border there, all the way over far eastern. It's about two hours and 20 minutes to Indianapolis, about an hour and 40 minutes to Toledo, which is, you know, Toledo, Ohio, and about two hours and 20 minutes to Lafayette, Indiana, which was our last Indiana episode, episode 195 back in October of 2020. And so this is in the middle of nowhere.

Essentially, there's nothing. There's not Fort Wayne is the nearest big place. I mean, so it's not exactly a thriving metropolis around here. It's in DeKalb County, area code 260. It's about seven and a half square miles of town, so it's not a huge place. It's a little guy. It's a little place, yeah. The motto here for the town, and this is their motto, quote, home of the classics.

Oh. Which sounds like a radio station call thing. Home of the classics classics 98.6 you know we and they have like a sting of like taking care of business yeah you're damn right free bird and shit so it's the motto kipsy steakhouse yeah exactly very wednesday night at the poughkeepsie steakhouse so uh there are other there's a there's an ending to that though that they cut off. The problem is it's on the Web site.

So, I mean, it's kind of messed up. Say the whole thing. Yes. Quote, home of the classics, because everyone else has left. So, you know, it's a little more fills in the blanks here a little bit. We're going to go through just a touch of the history just to get a couple of disasters that happened out out of the way because those are always fun in uh 1841 malaria ran through town oh boy so that happened here yeah that's bad that's not like the name of somebody that was on a cross-country journey right that's the actual disease it wasn't a young girl sowing her oats through the countryside it was terrible disease oh my and in 1843 a horrible storm completely like destroyed the cabins the crops just completely like wiped life out there

this horrible storm so it's bad stuff so three years later they incur six years later they incorporated because you know we have to have a town here, obviously, between the malaria and the... We're going to force it to happen. We're going to force it to happen. We will stay here. That's the thing. The human will. It doesn't matter.

Look at... You drive through places. They cut paths through stone mountains. It doesn't matter. We'll go through a mountain. Around it? No. No.

We're going through it. That takes too long. It's crazy. We don't live long enough for that shit no it's yeah it's a very short amount of time my son keeps asking me like when we ruin this this planet where are we going to go and i'm like son anywhere that we could go we can't live long enough to get there yeah that's the problem yeah that's unless we have a and then yeah you get into unless we could figure out how to harness light as a fuel source or whatever.

I don't know how that's going to possibly happen. We're pretty, pretty well fucked unless you figure out how to refuel on Neptune. I think we're in trouble. So by the end of the Civil War, this town had about 700 people in it. So it was growing a little bit. In 1872, another storm came and destroyed a shitload of things destroyed just the odd fellows hall which is a social club there destroyed the methodist episcopal church yeah and so the then they had they had built a new brick

block a whole block of buildings in in the in area. Because they're like, we're not going to be down by a storm again, you son of bitches. No one's going to Dorothy us ever again. It's not going to happen. And then a few months later, the entire block of brick buildings collapsed and just collapsed. I don't know. Shoddy masonry? Forgot to put like, you know, ground in between or mortar in between them or what but i'm not sure but the whole block collapsed which must have been crazy to watch that's amazing that

must have been great the fact that happened so long ago it would be hilarious to see like i know there was no cameras back then but to see footage of black and white little tiny people scurrying away like babe ruth around in the base is all fast. Really fast because everything happened. All the video is super sped up. And they ran fast anyway. And they ran even faster on camera. I was going. It's hilarious.

The Auburn Automobile Company, founded in 1900, produced its first automobile in 1903. William Wrigley Jr., who is the Wrigley Field guy there, and Errett Loban Cord controlled interest in the company that eventually acquired Duesenberg, Lexington, and Lycoming Engines. And they started the Cord they started the cord car company awesome that these are like these classic cars the company failed in 1937 so they had uh it's a limited run it's a limited run so i don't know how many of those cars exist anymore but they're probably collector's items i'd imagine the auburn rubber company started in 1913 yeah as the double fabric tire company okay sounds attractive there um it became a huge manufacturer of rubber toys and then it left in 1959 yeah that's this place as we'll talk about in the economy a lot of

manufacturing it booms and busts a lot so So that happens. People come, people go. John Dillinger, and we've had this in another place before, he robbed, him and his accomplices robbed the Auburn police station. Oh, man. Remember we talked about that in another town that happened in? I think it was in Kansas or something in 1933.

Took all their guns and shit? Yeah, October 14th, 1933, stealing a submachine gun, two steel vests, three rifles, six pistols, and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition. Unbelievable. I think it was Peru, Indiana. It might have been.

So he might have been just going through Indiana, tearing through, busting out the local police stations for their arms. The city logo is based on the former Auburn Automobile Company logo. It's like the same exact logo they use so that's why they say home of the classics and all that shit so uh reviews of this town here's a five star they love this place they're all about it auburn oh big auburn indiana is an amazing little town i mean that's that's a strong first line it's a headline i was born at the hospital in auburn indiana and currently live about five minutes from the hospital. Okay.

I was born 23 years ago. Traveled five minutes in their whole life? Whole life. And I was born 23 years ago. We are a small town where everyone knows everyone. And although some people may not like that concept, I love it. The reason I love it. Yeah.

Give me some backstory, Chief. The reason I love it is because we have an amazing community. Auburn's community went through quite a bit in 2016 as we lost more teenagers than normal, mostly from car accidents. How many was it? A grief epidemic of that's crazy. The way the community came together and supported each other in these hard times was amazing. Terrific. Okay. I love Auburn, Indiana because we love each other, and that's something you just do not see in very many places anymore. Oh, jeez. They're really into it. Three stars here, this one. There are several ethnic restaurants, such as Mongolian, Chinese, Greek, and authentic Italian.

I'm sure. It's terrific. Yeah. There are also the normal fast food restaurants and chain restaurants. The specialty quote unquote restaurants are awesome. Offering some authentic quinine. I think they mean cuisine. It says quinine and drink quinine with a Q.

The much less. I don't know. The French version of that. The fast food restaurants offer the typical menus. I don't care. Bob Evans, whatever. Three stars. Here's a three star quote.

Most people in this area are farmers and most are friendly and church goers. Great. Three stars. Sounds like a lot of fun. Three stars. Great. People, 13,004. That's how many it's a population here.

It is small. Small. Up 39% since 1990. So people have have come and then it's kind of flattened out since about 2000. Few more males than females, which is obviously not normal. It's usually the other way around. Median age is about 40, which is a couple of years older than the national average. So not too much different. a couple less married people than normal which is not what you'd expect in a town that's uh you know family church going farmers

you think they'd all hook up pretty quick not not a lot of single people with no children though single no children four percent what a needle in a haystack everybody if that's what you're looking for that is tough going yeah if you're single with no children and looking for the same, good luck. Race of this town, pretty goddamn white. 97.1% white. It's about as white as it gets. It's about as white. 0.3% black.

That's not much at all. 0.2% Asian. 1.9% Hispanic. Wow. White. Very white. Very, yeah. We have religion, 41% religious, which is actually under the

national average. It's usually 50-50 and it's spread out pretty decent. Some Methodists, a Lutheran or two, some Catholics, you know, around here, a lot of other Christian, whatever that is. Zero point zero percent Jewish, though. That's not happening. Jesus potpourri. It's exactly what it is. A nice Jesus smoothie going on here. Just Jesus, though. Yeah. DeKalb County in the whole county. It's a it's a pretty rural county here. The the last presidential election, 25.3 percent voted Democrat, 72 percent voter Republican and the about two percent independent here.

Unemployment rate here is a little bit lower than the national average. Actually, they're they're doing pretty well with the manufacturing right now. Household income is also a touch low. It's 50, almost 58,000 in the rest of the country here. It's about 47,000. So it's a little bit low, but apparently everybody has a job. There's three times the manufacturing jobs as usual in this town. So that can. Everybody's in a factory somewhere. A big factory closes down.

That's trouble. You know, that's a lot of people out of work. But a new one comes in. That's a shitload of jobs. And wages go up. So cost of living, 100 is regular average par. Here, cost of living we have is 76. That's decent. It's's decent housing is the lowest

thing out of everything though it's a 59 so boy we have uh the median home cost here is 136,600 bucks so yeah very lock no no mortar no yeah very very affordable let's just say about 70 of the houses here are worth less than 150 000 that's wow yeah so it's it's very affordable it's just a very it's one way of saying it yeah it's well i mean if you look at it it's in a place where you can't it's not like you can commute around you're not going to commute to indianapolis or something like that so the the ceiling in a smaller area for income is kind of there's a certain cap on that unless you have your ownapolis or something like that. So the ceiling in a smaller area for income is kind of, there's a certain cap on that unless you have your own business or something of that nature. Is the biggest city that's close by somewhere in Ohio?

It's Fort Wayne, Indiana. The nearest city in Ohio is Toledo and that's an hour 40, I said, I believe something like that. So it's a while. So if you need to be there, though, we do have you covered because we have for you the Auburn, Indiana real estate report. Your average two bedroom rental here is about seven hundred fifteen dollars, which is pretty affordable. Well under the nine. It's almost five hundred bucks under the national average. So under the night. It's almost 500 bucks under the national average. So that's great. It's very low. I found a two bedroom, two bath, 1,272 square foot.

So, you know, it's a smaller house, but it's a nice little starter home. It's in foreclosure, Jimmy. Oh, shit. Swoop in and take some pleasure in someone else's pain if you want here. Not a bad little house, I got to say. Not terrible. If you can stand just the feeling of sadness there, that you're taking it from somebody there.

The water doesn't run. There's concrete in the toilets. Yeah. A deal's a deal, though. That's what I'm going to tell you here. $79,900. And that is a deal. That's a deal.

Not bad at all. I found one 15 acres of farmland. Just 15 blocks. 79,900 bucks And that is a deal That's a deal Not bad at all I found one 15 acres of farmland Just land Just land Not a structure on it It looks fertile

I don't know much about farmland But if I had to guess You're telling me it looks like It smells like bullshit? Yeah it looks like shit will grow here If you put some seeds down They'll grow You know what I mean?

I don't know what's gonna grow But something will grow here. If you put some seeds down, they'll grow. You know what I mean? I don't know what's going to grow, but something will grow. $255,000. For 15 acres. For 15 acres. But if it's fertile, then you're making money off of that. Shit, yeah. It's an investment. Then I found you own all the factories here.

You're doing very well for yourself. Five bedroom, seven bath. Oh! So, tea bowl for each and every B-Hall. And then you can invite over a couple extra B-Halls to your house. If you want 7,363 square feet. Holy shit. It's like a town.

This house has six and a half acres. It's on to just, that's amazing. Bunch of woods behind you. Not sure about the fertility of these acre of this acreage, but it's there. 1,250,000 bucks for this house it's beautiful stone oh it's gorgeous if i could get away from everything forever i would certainly do that that that's amazing afford a million dollars one point two that's the other thing that we'd have i mean if you've got a million dollars to

burn and you need nothing else for the rest of your life that would be great if you're very wealthy and retired that's a great it's perfect there although it is cold here in the winter yeah it's near ohio it snows there huh like a bastard oh it's snowing it's definitely gonna snow things to do here oh yay here we are the auburn core dusenberg festival okay you think you're gonna get obviously the cars are going to be a thing. And this is right from their site. The people of Auburn, Indiana are proud of the automotive history of their little city, and justifiably so.

Auburn was the home of E.L. Cord's magnificent Auburn Cord Dusenberg Combine, and each year the city celebrates its historic connection with the Auburn Corps Duesenberg Festival, one of the great traditions of the collector car community dating all the way back to 1954. It remains one of the greatest shows around with a giant swap meet, a car auction, and a calendar full of events focused on the city's hometown marquees. So there's that. They have a bunch of local bands. I want to see it. I'd like to see some old cars. I mean, I have no fear. I want to see old cars. That's that. They have a bunch of local bands. I want to see it. I'd like to see some old cars. I mean, I have no fear.

I want to see old cars. That's cool. Of a company that ran strong for 20 years and is now defunct. And that long ago? Like, they were ahead of the game. I'd love to see what that car looks like. Went out of business 80 years ago? Yeah.

That's pretty wild. Yeah, I want to see that shit, too. And the problem is I found reviews of this festival and uh there's a poughkeepsie steakhouse vibe going on here with the wednesday night only because otherwise very good steaks and delicious is wednesday night uh the hawaiian shirts with mustangs and and shit like that all over them well it's mainly the music uh that's the thing they don't care about the festival these aren't festival goers these are people who live nearby right this is a review from kathy b she gives the festival one star she says seriously i'm two miles away from this concert and i can hear it like it's in my backyard

ridiculous i have two babies that are trying to sleep she wrote this at the time it was going on dude she's like these motherfuck what i have no recourse and then wrote a review she called the police and they didn't do shit then she went google i'm gonna google google review if i wanted to hear the music i would have probably went to the freaking concert and guess what i love this and guess what it goes on until 11 p.m which means another hour and a half of this nonsense she wrote it at 10 p.m obviously or well i'm sorry 9 30 auburn is the worst exclamation point we really should have put that on reviews of the town i guess but didn't know where to put it it kind of goes in there she just wants to get some fucking sleep she just wants some sleep jesus christ it's 9 30 already i'm trying to get the kids to sleep that's the best review of all time that's amazing i love that another hour and a half of this

nonsense here's another review one star from kristin draper she gave her whole name didn't care she doesn't give a shit uh quote this damn car show is annoying me and my one-year-old are trying to sleep keep your obnoxious bad music to yourself there's a reason earbuds were invented please use them how does that work at a concert yeah everybody put your earbuds in okay wow we're gonna live stream the concert from a soundproof room and you can log in on your phone with your earbuds put your earbuds in and we'll we'll play it and that way she her and her one-year-old can get some damn sleep as she puts it so uh that's that's reviews of the of the festival other people said they really like the cars and it's a nice place and all that shit but if you live nearby and you have a baby you don't like it at all this is why you book good acts to play your festivals because otherwise your local shit

pollutes the air yeah you just hear like an ad of like a not rhythmic bass line right you hear that shit go and you're like i can't fucking take it anymore or this up bandy oaky over there what are they doing why is this happening guitarist has a little solo where he where he bridges from tom petty into some november rain you're like i don't want to hear it medleyed with free birds. Stop. I just don't. I can't take it anymore. I've heard it so many times. I don't like Hotel California when the Eagles play it.

Stop this, sir. I don't like that at all. And now you're playing it too. Oh, oh, somehow they got like a DJ thing going on. They just morphed it into Boston more than a feeling. I don't know what is happening right now, but my one-year-old is screaming. So crime rate yeah well we're interested in here uh property crime is actually just under the national average so just below it so it's not bad violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about one third the national average. Great. Very low.

Yeah. Not a lot of murdering going on. No. It only spikes around that festival. Yeah. When the bands are playing. Yeah. It's odd.

The only murders that take place here are of local band members. It's a very strange thing. Between 8 and 11 p.m. on the festival night. One was found with three bullet holes in his chest all with binkies stuffed into them. It was very strange. We didn't understand. We figured that was a message. Just a little pacifier in each of them. And a rattle in their hand.

They think it's a sign. It's a sign of the killer. So that said, let's talk about a murder, shall we? I would love it. It's time. Let's get into this. Okay, let's do this. We're going to go back to the early 90s. Okay.

We're going to go back to 1992, and we're going to talk about some young people in 1992 and a carnival and Satan and a whole bunch of craziness here. We have to start with Andrew Lee Wright is his name. Andrew Wright. He's an 18-year year old young man who lives in ohio he's a carny okay he works for the carnival and um yeah there's a it's he's from west milton ohio this kid and uh the carnival is going to play a big part in this deal and i have a story about a carnival person, too.

So it's interesting. I'll get into that. So Andrew Wright, 18 years old. One day there are some deer hunters on November 9th, 1991. There's some deer hunters around walking through a field and they come upon young Andrew. Yeah. The problem is he's been stabbed to death in the neck and he's dead. So that's an issue, obviously.

When you find a stabbed to death 18-year-old in a field, that's a problem. Hunters find this shit a lot. That's the reason, I'm sorry, you know, animals, yes, I don't really want to kill animals and all that sort of thing, but I don't want to find any bodies is why I don't want to ever hunt because you will find a body. Yeah. You will. Eventually, you're going to find – if you go hunting, four-wheeling, things of that nature, dirt biking.

Yeah. Bodies, bodies. It's all bodies. You're never going to – you can't go anywhere in the woods without finding – tripping over an 18-year-old who's been stabbed to death in the neck. Thankfully, everywhere I've ever gone off-roroading it's where a lot of people go nobody nobody dumps bodies where there's a lot of people and if they did they would have been found already before you got there which is what you want yeah yeah that's a good point perhaps there was one uh on the road that i took however there's been so many people today somebody already found it at least let a couple of caravans go in front of you and then be like, if there's any bodies, they're going to find them.

And then while the police, right before the cops start putting up the lines and the tape, I'll get around them and then I'll know not to go back that direction. Right. Because, I mean, not for nothing, but I can't help anyone. I don't have no medical training, so that's not going to help. can't help anyone i don't know i don't have no medical training so that's not going to help people that go hunting are interested in creating a body also whether it be an animal or whatever but they're still creating a body i don't want to i don't want to do that i can't i'm not i don't think i'm capable of killing a deer i don't think i can no you don't want to kill a deer no i know i like i like meat and i like eating meat and i'm just i'm a complete hypocrite don't

get me wrong that's the thing i'll eat the shit out of meat but i just don't i don't want to kill the animal that's i'm a yeah i'm not going to sit here and try to rationalize that or justify that that's ridiculous obviously to you know i obviously know the meat doesn't get like it's not like a beamed out of their body, a stream of light, and then it grows back. I understand they're killed to give the meat, and I'm okay with that. I want to eat the meat. But like I said, I can't.

I don't want to kill it. I'm incapable. The guy that was helping me do a shower renovation told me he has ducks, and they laid eggs, and he's got new ducks. I'm like, what are you going to do with those? And he goes, I'm going to raise them and eat them. And I'm like, what? And then he killed one of the ducks, and he came back the next day, and he goes, I don't think I can raise those and kill them.

He goes, I killed one. I don't want to do that again. It's horrific. My grandmother, they used to steal ducks from the cemetery. Oh, my God. From the cemetery. Jesus. They stuffed her in her scissors.

They stuffed them in the trunk and took them down to the Bronx like it was a fucking mob hit. They literally kidnapped them, put them down there, took them down in the basement, and feathered them and butchered like a mob hit. Throw them in the trunk. We're taking them down to the Bronx and get them in my basement. That's what happened. But they do it with ducks. Or trip drive in the Bronx. Yeah, they them down to the Bronx and get them in my basement. That's what happened. But they do it with ducks. Or drip-dry them in the Bronx. Yeah, they didn't care.

Free duck. There it is. No. I don't know. They're not wild, really, if they're at the cemetery, I don't think. Yeah, but when you go to the store, how much duck are you buying? And how much does a duck cost? Is it worth all the effort of drip drying it and fucking snapping its neck?

Oh, that seems like a immigrant. Yeah, she doesn't care. I think she liked it. I think it like it's a good it's like working out for her to be killing things. She tells all the stories about how they used to kill all the animals. They'd all kill a goat every season and then they'd share with each other, everybody in the village. Like you'd kill a goat and then you'd kill your your goat that you raised and then you like you share it with everybody and then the next family kills their goat and then they share it with everybody

and uh it goes on and on like that that's how it works so it sounds sweet i'm gonna be honest oh they'd make a huge deal out of murdering the goat in the middle of the town square though because it's hey this is great it's for everybody so but that was like a celebration kids come play in the in the spurt yeah like yeah i think we got the jugular come dance in it yeah they treat it like a 1940s fire hydrant no pretty much yeah like kids out there so stickball games are breaking out it was wild but i guess you know it's a celebration of we have food now though i guess it's better than not i guess if you know that we're talking nazi occupied 1943 italy too we're not talking like a you know boston five years yeah this isn't a good a good time this is a bad

this is bad times are going on so anyway uh andrew andrew wright didn't have these bad times, but he did have one bad time, at least, where he ended up dumped in a field. It's people say I've seen different reports that it's in Wauseen, Ohio, and then it's in Tidro, Ohio, this field. So I don't know if it's kind of in between two places and some sources call it one and some call it the other. But he was slain here. They think it's where he's killed. kind of in between two places, and some sources call it one and some call it the other. But he was slain here, they think. This is where he's killed. They said he was killed somewhere, and he was dumped along the Ohio Turnpike, and that's where they found him.

That's where deer hunters found him. So I guess backtrack his life a little bit on august 30th it was the day before the start of the fulton county fair in wassi wassi in ohio wassi on ohio and uh they think that's the day that he was killed and uh that's how that went they think he was murdered that day based on when last he was seen okay so that was back in august but we're in September now? We're in November when his body's found. Oh, boy. Talking about three months later? They think it's about two and a half months later that he was found here.

It's kind of off in the woods. I mean, it's getting cold, but at the end, September's not cold. August 30th is not cold. That first month of decomposition is going to be... That's a bastard. That's rough. I mean, animals and shit like that. Those hunters did not... They remembered... They're never going to be that's a bastard that's rough i mean animals and shit

like that those hunters did not they remembered they're never going to forget finding that we'll put it that way or finding this young man like that i shouldn't say that but it's well i mean that scene finding that scene right stumbling upon that maybe that turns you off to hunting like you know what i'm like i'm not so much into hunting anymore you know what i I mean? Why? It's a pain in the ass. It's expensive. No, I just don't want to find any more dead teenagers. It's just, you find. It's a pain in the ass.

It's expensive. Nope, that's not it. That's not the reason. I can put up with that. Teenage decomp's. I just don't want to see anymore. You know what I mean? It's been a rough season.

What are the chances that you find another? Who gives a shit? I found one. It could happen. It could happen again. Every time you'd see a log, you'd be like, huh? You know? Anything on the ground at all, you'd go, huh?

You'd be so on edge about it. I mean, and then if you actually shot a deer, you'd go over to it. In your brain, you'd see like a superimposed dead teenager. You'd go, oh, God, I can't take it anymore. I can't shake the image. When I blink, I see it. Oh, God, I can taste it. I can smell it. So I can hear shake the image. When I blink, I see it. Oh, God, I can taste it. I can smell it.

So I can hear the smell. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max starting April 21st. Bye bye.

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Like a liar. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wond in the wondery app or on apple podcasts so we need to talk about four kids here we need to talk about so he's dead and uh you know hopefully there'll be no more wink wink let's see what

happens so um let's talk about four chapter two chapter two uh the andrew wright saga is back there now let's talk about four young men okay okay uh first we have the lawrence boys we have uh david andrew lawrence he is 19 years old or i'm sorry keith andrew lawrence he's 19 years old and david lawrence who's 22 okay so david's the older brother their brother's got it but keith is kind of the seems to be kind of the leader of the pack somehow i don't understand how that works exactly have you ever like seen a sibling combination where the younger brother is kind of the and the older is the follower yeah i don't know if i've seen that before i've not seen it in boys but i've certainly seen it in girls really i don't know if i've i don't know if I've seen that before I've not seen it in boys but I've certainly seen it

in girls really yeah I don't know if I've I don't know if I've seen yeah I guess I'm trying to think of like my mother has three sisters I'm trying to she's the oldest I'm trying to think of the dynamic but maybe it's maybe it's the and it has to be like much older does that make sense where like like 10 yeah yeah 10 or 12 years where the where the older sister is just like reliving her childhood through the younger sister, I think. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, yeah, that's happened. I don't think I've seen it much with guys, though.

No? Usually it's a... Generally the older brother, especially at that age, 18 to 22. Those are the differences here? Yeah, 19 and 22. Yeah, there's no reason in the world that 19-year-old should ever tell that 22-year-old what to do. That's what I mean, or influence him in any way. Keep that in mind, I guess. Mark Goodwin is

another one of these kids. So there's Keith Lawrence, 19 years old, David Lawrence, 22 years old, Mark Goodwin, 20 years old, and then Jimmy, just like you spell it, J-I-M-M-I-E. Yeah, poor bastard. Jimmy Lee Penick.

Hell yeah. Sounds like a race car driver. That is a hillbilly right there. Jimmy Lee. Old Jimmy Lee Penick. P-E-N-I-C-K. So Jimmy Lee Penick. 24 years old.

So he's the eldest of this group here. Poor bastard. It's called Penis' Hold Life. Oh, you know. Jimmy Lee Penis. Good to see you. How's it going? Hey, Jimmy Lee. jimmy lee penis come on over here ain't it funny he got such a tiny one and that's his name that's hilarious first and last name yeah could be mistaken for penis the people in high school are not funny no they're not and you know what lee you can probably

make into a penis somehow too i'm sure just because it's kind of something there because it rhymes with we we lee with your tiny wee wee so uh he jimmy lee penis works for i'm such a child i know that's why i said it because i knew you'd laugh and i saw you try not to laugh too and it just came out because you are a child and you can't help it so uh jimmy lee uh worked for hughesman amusements in uh out of shelbyville yeah which is the town over from the simpsons which is pretty funny really uh isn't it shelbyville i don't i don't know i've literally seen 12 episodes of The Simpsons. Wow. It's embarrassing.

I know. That's weird. I'm almost jealous because you have this whole thing you can do. I could discover it right now, James. Yeah. That's crazy. You don't even know what Mr. Plow is. That's amazing.

I don't know what that is. You know how wild that is? So many people would be so jealous of you right now. Is that crazy? You have to rediscover that. That's wild. Good for you. Discover it for the first time.

And is it too late? I'm 40, James. Is it too late in my life to get into The Simpsons? No? Nah, you'll be all right. It's fine. There's enough jokes for everybody there. You know what I mean?

But are they dated? Will I watch it and be like- Oh, the jokes from the early ones, you'll be like, oh, wow, this is like 1990. This is crazy. But I've seen all the family guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

I get that. Yeah. That's from like 20 years ago, too. So they go back about 20 years. But yeah, The Simpsons, you'll be fine. Check it out. You'll like it. It's still good.

I used to watch it when I was a kid, when it was like on late night. I had a little TV in my room that. Yeah. But I had to like fuck with the knob so much to get it to come in right. Because it was on a syndicated channel. It wasn't on a network. Yeah. Yeah.

At the time. Yeah. It'd be like a syndicated. You, you, uh, yeah. Give it a shot. I think you'll like it. I think you'll enjoy it. You don't need to see past about season 12 probably.

Okay. After that it gets a little tired. And, uh, nowadays it's a, it's, it's, it's really weird. Is that when Sam Simon left around then? No, he left early. He left after the third season. Because I loved that guy. He was awesome. Yeah, well, he was good.

He's dead now. Anyway. Yeah. Jimmy Lee Penis again. He works for Huseman Amusements out of Shelbyville. And Goodwin, Mark Goodwin, and also Andrew Wright, the stabbed in the neck 18-year-old in the field, were both employed by a company called Poor Jack Amusements out of Milton, Indiana. Are these both traveling circuses? These are carnivals.

These are carny companies that have these parking lot carnivals, basically, that sort of shit. I guess some of them are bigger because the one was the county fair so i think they do that depends on what size outfit you are what the hell what kind of you know government contracts you're gonna get county contracts that sort of thing i mean sometimes you just set on up in the k-mart parking lot and that's a damn good festival you could have a good weekend but i mean if you can get yourself some county land and that's something else too you got parking at that point out on the grass. It's going to be nice. Make some big money on those tickets.

Make some big old money on that. So, yeah, they worked for these companies. Paul Huseman, who is president of, shockingly enough, Huseman Amusements. Sure. He said that Jimmy Lee Penis worked for him for a few years. Yeah. That penis boy, he's a good worker uh hughesman says quote he was a good kid he never caused me any trouble so jimmy lee penis just does his shit he checks the tilt-a-whirl or whatever make sure no kids are gonna fly off those those

fucking lug nuts that's it and then just have a beer and kick back and uh make sure nobody dies so i don't know why that wasn't talked about when we were kids that these are fucking dangerous i think they weren't it's worth i don't know i always looked at it and said that guy doesn't look capable of never mentioned to me as a child nobody mentioned it it was just one of those things you could even you could tell even as a kid remember when you're a kid and somebody they put you in a car with somebody you knew shouldn't be driving you know because they were like drunk or something and even as a kid you were like i don't think this person should be driving right now but i have no choice because where the hell how the hell else am i going to get places because i'm a child because i'm a child i

feel like it's the same thing with the rides where i was like hmm i don't think this guy knows what he's doing but they're putting me on it so i was more afraid of what the ride did more than i was afraid of uh what if it doesn't do that and it malfunctions i never even thought about that and nobody even put that thought in my head everybody was just like it'll be fine this ride has fucking tires on it what are we talking about yeah why is it on like a like a cherry picker stand what are we doing how is that a thing i i used to i used to look and see all the little bolts and went nope there's gotta be because i used to think as a kid if one of those bolts breaks it's a problem i'm sure and that's a lot of bolts to depend on you know like one or two bolts we could we could work with but keep an eye on them but a thousand of them there's not one bolt that like it's the magic one it needs all of these it

needs all yeah that's what i mean and they're not all just for show one bolt and the rest are just like a some flair it's not like that they wouldn't put all these on here if they didn't need it that's what i would figure and that's that's what i i looked at and i was like yeah i don't think i'm gonna do that just one of these breaks i'm fucked it's not like they're going over it like they're like nasa like with a tiny flashlight checking every little fan blade and bolt and all that kind of shit they're just like looks good they've started up if it spins a couple times ago yeah put people in it let's go bro load them up you got your pink tick there you go wearing ski ball tickets tickets. Yep. Thank you. Anybody check the O-rings?

It's awfully cold out here this morning. No. Another one, Jack Bolander, who is the president of Poor Jack, the other one here, he said that Mark Goodwin worked for him for a while, and he said that he worked for him for several weeks, but he fired him in July because he was a shitty worker. Several weeks. Several weeks. He lasted several weeks at a carnival.

So one of Jimmy Lee Penis' co-workers said that he was sorry. We are children. I apologize. But just pretend his name is Penis and go with it. Pretend we're not children. I already have. Yeah, me too. One of his coworkers said he was, quote, very much into Satanism about Jimmy Lee.

And he's got in his apartment where he lives in his room, he's got like, you know,'s got the upside-down crosses and pentagrams. He's living the whole lifestyle. Satanic riffraff, rigamarole. Paraphernalia. Paraphernalia. Yeah, that's all accoutrement. So he's got all this satanic accoutrement here. And this isn't shocking here, by the way because uh i'll tell you in a little

while but i have to tell you i got a lot of this there was a one particular newspaper the daily journal in in franklin indiana who really really got into this story and uh this is the the end of satanic panic like this it's still going on from like the early 80s and this is the early 90s and you know how everything takes a little longer to get to the midwest right so it's it's going to linger there longer you know in the midwest a small town especially so they have a special report it's up at the top in bold letters special report swayed by satan oh boy so we're talking small town Satan. Oh, boy.

So we're talking small town newspaper. And so I want to give them credit for this crazy shit. They end up doing a big profile on Mark Goodwin later on, the one who was fired after a few shitty weeks of work at the poor Jack company. Now, Mark Goodwin says that he was fascinated by the devil for more than a decade. A decade. A decade? A decade. He's 20. So since he was 10, he's like...

He's talking like he's 40, 50 years old. About a decade. Last decade, decade and a half, you know, back in the... Since he was 10, would he see a person in one of those, like, Target, like, devil costumes with the plastic mask with the thing?

And he's like, hmm. I could see how people could be swayed by that what year is this the early 90s the guy watched mtv he saw motley crew or some shit was like what are these guys up to i'll show you some what they have in the paper they really blame it hardcore on ozzy it's fucking hilarious oh yeah yeah oh yeah this is this is some midwestern like back in the, you know, video games and music will make your kids kill you, basically, type of thing. So he said, this is what it says, quote, Mark Goodwin has been fascinated by the devil for more than a decade. He worshiped Satan. That's the first lines of this article.

That's the first lines of this article. They said, as the leader of a satanic cult, Goodwin killed cats in sacrifice rituals and drank their blood from their skulls. From their skulls? You know, because otherwise, how would you drink it? You've got to use it like a cup, I would assume. And, you know, I guess, I don't know. This is worse than Pocket Robin. This is like Pocket Robin. No, he cooked cats' heads, remember, in frying pans.

That was pretty crazy. That's true. He made a slurry and then did like a ramen out of it. But this is just disgusting here. I don't even know what to say about that. This doesn't even, there's no Iron Chef involved in this. This is just open it and drink it. Yeah, he's just like it like a coconut

like you're just cutting it in half and drinking out of the out of the other half of it it's pretty horrible here for uh and he called it he said it was sacrifice rituals and he would drink their blood there um he also had what they call quote wild satanic sex orgies. I mean, I don't know. You can skip the word sex in that. They don't know that. I mean, I guess just a wild, because they use orgy for anything. They'll use an orgy, like if someone's eating a lot, then it's an orgy of food, like people are eating it.

So I guess you could just be running around, running amok on Satan and not have sex. But I mean, wild satanic sex orgy as a teenager i'm sorry but if i'm 16 and there's a there's a wild orgy going on i don't care if it's satan or jesus or whoever's putting this on i am fucking there yeah with bells on better homes and garden let's go i don't give a shit i don't care who's doing it i don't care if it's martha stewart go. I don't give a shit. I don't care who's doing it. I don't care if it's Martha Stewart. I don't give a fuck. I'll bring a basil plant.

Let's do this. You got it. I'll bring some deviled eggs. Let's do it. I mean, I'll bring an appetizer. That probably goes with this, too. Probably. That's why I thought of deviled eggs.

See? Isn't that clever? I think everyone would bring deviled eggs, though, and they'd be like, oh. Yeah. Show up to a devil worship potluck fuckfest. That's all it is. You show up and there's like one guy brought pulled pork. Somebody else brought like a macaroni salad. And then they're like, there's that, that.

We have a lot of deviled eggs out there. There's just a lot of people. There's just stacks of trays of them. One of those lifetime fold foldable tables just full just full of them going all deviled eggs i mean it's gonna be the grossest fuck fest you've ever been to we have to expect that everyone just farting all over each other it's a disgusting mess and even if they don't it smells like they are it does it definitely does it's stinking in there as the deviled eggs sit out i want to go to a potluck fuck fest i really

a potluck satan fuck fest doesn't that sound great it sounds different anyway i've never quite i didn't know that existed but sure uh he uh they would have where does where do teenagers have wild satanic sex orgies that's the hard part the woods right you really gotta have a basement or something for that uh abandoned barns oh and and graveyards they said you can't have us i don't believe that you can't have a wild satanic sex orgy in the graveyard. Graveyards are always near a residential area. People would be, you would hear that, I would think, or someone would see it. I would imagine. You'd probably call that a threesome because there's not more than three people attending in a graveyard, right?

How many people are participating in this? How many women are you convincing to fuck you in a graveyard at the same time? I mean, that's a stretch number one at the same time. In a graveyard is also a stretch. If you're going to put those two together, you're really slim in the, you know, the Venn diagram of that is very, it's very slim. You're whittling your audience, that's for sure. So, Jesus Christ, Goodwin claims to have made a pact with the devil.

A pact with the devil. claims to have made a pact with the devil oh a pact with the devil he made a real deal here to grant him anything he wanted for 20 years anything he's got he's gonna have all the power it's like murder was the case it's bring your lifestyle to me i'll make it better but for 20 years not eternal life yeah it's a 20 year thing not that 20 years did he make this he made it like he's like 18 he made the deal for 20 years so he's gotta he's gotta you know i mean it's not bad yeah if you if you went to like the nba and they gave you a 20-year contract you'd be pretty excited about it i would think so here you go um he said that uh he had a lot of just he was super into Satan while he was a student in middle school in Franklin, Indiana, at Custer Baker Middle School. He would play heavy metal music, especially, especially, Jimmy, Diary of a Madman, the album by Ozzy Osbourne.

It's a good choice. Yeah, that's what it is. And he said he wondered what the upside down cross and the pentagram were on the cover of the album, which were just metal bulls. I mean, they weren't really. You think Ozzy Osbourne gives a shit about Satan? He doesn't care about that. He's a fucking businessman. He doesn't give a fuck about it. I'll tell you what it is.

It's called a prop. That's what it is. Yeah. He liked booze. That's what Ozzy did. He wasn't like, let's go get into Satan. He just wanted to do a bunch of coke and fucking snort ants and shit. And piss on somebody.

Yeah. You've heard about his ant snorting, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's a crazy son of a bitch. And his own piss. His own piss. He snorted all kinds of shit.

Yeah. That was to impress Nikki Sixx there. Because Nikki Sixx did something crazy, so then he pissed on the ground and snorted it. Unbelievable. I don't even know if that's crazy or just stupid. And then biting the head off a bat, which I've been told wasn't even a real thing that didn't really happen. I don't know what's happened. I don't know what to believe with that guy.

Who knows what to believe with that guy? So he would do that. what to believe with that guy so he he uh he would do that um he said that friends told him that they were it meant it meant that it was like devil worshiping stuff so there was that yeah um so he said he was intrigued by it and he was he said he was quote drawn to other students who dabbled in the occult there's that he also read occult books including the satanic bible which you know it's a yeah i mean i guess that's where you start that would be ground zero for right for getting into the devil um he learned that people that believe uh people that people believe satanism brings them power over people he said so uh then he so at 15, he formed his own cult.

That's young. That's pretty young. Like Jim Jones was kind of forming like little like almost like his own little like church groups back then. But he wasn't like it wasn't like I got a cult going on. He waited till he was like 45 to do that shit. So this is Jim. Jim also focused it around Jesus. Whereas this kid at first.

Yeah. Yeah. This is about Satan. But I mean, this is going the other way. He called the name of it. Yeah. What do you think the name of it? What would a 15 year old name is?

Satanic cult. Jimmy Church of. I call it Satan fuck party or some shit like that. If I'm having satanic orgies, because that's going to draw the other kids in. I feel like that's how you're going to get members. Did he call it? We got snacks or some shit like that if I'm having satanic orgies because that's going to draw the other kids in, I feel like. That's how you're going to get members. Did he call it We Got Snacks or some shit? Satan's Disciples, which sounds like a biker gang. It does.

That just sounds like somebody that the Hell's Angels would end up incorporating into their group. I think it actually, there is a Disciples motorcycle gang, and I think that those gangs... There were Satan's Slaves back in the day, in the 60s. Those gangs formed because they can't get into in the day yeah in the 60s and there was those gangs those gangs form because they can't get into the other gang like the good gang sometimes yeah nowadays probably um so he had a group of uh it was somewhere between six and

eight people yeah depending on the time which is a pretty flimsy cult but i mean still if you're 15 if you can get five six people to to follow you, that's not bad. Most 15-year-olds can't get anybody to do anything. So I was completely ineffectual, I'm sure, at 15. I would have never been able to form anything like that. Even today. Maybe today I can. You get the hell out of here.

You could form, anybody who's a half- comedian could form could fucking form a cult like that. Like that. Look at people that you see that are in front of literally 20,000 people at megachurches. Like if you watch like the watch like these sermons on TV and shit, any half decent comedian has 10 times more stage presence, charisma, mic ability to say if you just replay. And you know how much fucking harder it is to get an involuntary responsive laughter out of somebody than it is to tell them something they already believe and have them cheer for it. That's a hell of a point. Joel Osteen has done fantastic and he's not even funny. He could not do.

He couldn't do five fucking minutes in an open mic. Any half-decent comedian would fucking, they would take over a church industry. They would be dangerous. They would be dangerous. Because they would really, it's like a magic trick

to be able to get people to laugh. So to do that. If Sam Kinison bought that horse shit he was peddling at the beginning, he would have been a billionaire from churches. If George Carlin went up in front of, instead, you know, a bunch of people, he could have gotten people to do anything.

You know what I mean? Just because he's very, any decent comedian could. It's just the way it is. So just because you're, it's harder to make people laugh than it is, I'm not saying we're special, I'm just saying it's harder to make someone laugh than it is to get them to,

if they like Jesus already, that's why they showed up, and you go, praise the Lord, and then they fucking go, yay. That's much laugh than it is to get them to, if they like Jesus already, that's why they showed up and you go, praise the Lord. And then they fucking go, yay. That's much easier than getting them to laugh at, you know, some story of you shitting your pants. It's easier. I got so many of them.

So many. Jimmy's got a lot. Locked and lighted. He really, Jimmy was very sad about the like 2014, 15, every comedian has a shit my pants story. Cause he's like, this is my bread and loaded. Jimmy was very sad about the 2014-15 every comedian has a shit my pants story. Because he's like, this is my bread and butter. This is who I am. This is my wheelhouse. This is my wheelhouse.

And it's becoming passe. I don't like this at all. Everybody's so proud of themselves. Damn it. I'm actually embarrassed by it. God damn it. Would you guys stop being so happy about it? Which makes it funny.

That's why it's funny. Because you're embarrassed about it. So Goodwin would have six or more people, six to eight people, ranging in ages. Now, this is the part that fucked me up. Ranging in age from 12, which makes sense, 15, you'd get the kids a couple years younger than you, to 35. What? What 35-year-old would be like, this 15-year year old's got some ideas i'm gonna follow him in terms of his lifestyle oh but right after he gets out of math class though because he's got

he's got gym third period and then he's got math and so i've got credit card bills i'm gonna listen to a teenager about how i should run my life yeah about satan hmm i haven't thought of it till now but he seems to have a good point. Yeah. No. They would practice rituals late at night in barns near Franklin. They said, quote, in the dense woods east of Edinburgh or in the abandoned cemetery near Martinsville. As priest, Goodwin led the cult in a candlelit animal sacrifice rituals once or twice a week. He's killing an animal at minimum a week? drinking their blood oh my god it's gross um everybody else would get drunk and he would stay sober apparently so he was that kind of weirdo control freak uh manson handing out the tabs acid and

never tripping himself that kind of shit you know? So he drew a pentagram on the ground, and they would chant an invocation to Satan, quote, conjuring up demons to do our bidding, he said. So they're conjuring up demons so they could kill a cat, which I don't think you need demons for eight people and a 35-year-old to kill a cat. Sounds like that kid has the murder gumption of me right no shit he needs demons to help because he can't do it help me do this demons uh the cat

would be killed with a knife and its blood would be drained into a silver chalice that was passed around for everyone to drink oh dear god jesus christ it's disgusting and awful and horrible and disturbing the disease that's disturbing. The amount of disease. That's just gross. The amount of disease. And you're just, you're, you're just, no, that's just gross in 12 different ways. Not just the disease, the fact that, why did we just murder a cat? This is awful.

The hell is wrong with us. If you can get through the part where you just killed somebody's friend. Yeah. You know what I mean? To get to the gross part, the real gross part. Of ingesting. Yeah. That is disgusting.

Oh, my God. You have a point there. So he said, quote, this is a quote from Goodwin, quote, The priests and all the members were robed in black, except for the females who wore black lingerie or were naked. I don't believe him when he says that. You're not getting teenage girls just hang out with you naked in a barn in an Indiana fucking barn in the summer. There's bugs and shit. They'd be like, I just got a mosquito bite on my fucking crotch.

I'm not doing this anymore. Afterwards, it would be like an orgy. A lot of wild dancing. The satanic choir would sing their stuff. Then they would delve into sex heterosexual homosexual and bisexual he said um yeah all of it the whole deal whatever goes down he doesn't care um most of the time and this is not surprising most of the time more men than women were in the cult well no shit yeah yeah it's harder to convince women

we're gonna go out in a barn and do weird blood rituals with cats and then we'll all fuck each other that's guys are up for that not women are like yeah no how about maybe we'll go to a movie you know and the people that that partake in this nobody wants to fuck them anyway that's that's the other thing yeah probably not um he said quote because women are more skeptical or frightened of satanism it was a lot harder to bring them into the congregation also they're a lot less like looking for that thing that guys are guys are looking for an identity so they can get women that's what they're doing there are more there are more men that are that are interested in really not necessarily interested that don't care about fucking a whole bunch of different chicks in a night no matter

who's fucked them there are a lot of women that uh more than not that don't want any part of that that's a hell of a point yeah please line them up yeah well i'd love to see oh great but i mean every time a guy it's especially a teenage boy changes his whole like thing like i was this now i'm this look completely now i'm a goth kid or now i'm this it's because they want it's to try to get girls most of the time it's to try to figure out a way that maybe this is an attractive persona that that someone will blow me in because no one will blow me right now in the persona that i've enacted so uh he said that the belief his beliefs about the afterlife are what he called the opposite of most people's

so you know he's real he's deep man he said quote heaven would be my hell hell you can make it what you want your own paradise okay that's his version of that so it's not that he has opposite views it's just he has opposite desires of where to go that's all yeah he's got a day his version of that. So it's not that he has opposite views. It's just he has opposite desires of where to go. That's all. Yeah. He's got his version of a five-star resort is a little different than some people's. Some people want a water slide. They want a world-class restaurant.

You know, he's looking for like a blood bar and an orgy pit. It's a different, they have different wants. And flames for eternity. That's awful. Some eternal flames. His family knew he was into Satan. He says, quote, my father was not pleased at all. You think?

Some family members told him, quote, if that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. Even though we don't agree with it. He said, quote, others felt like they should disown me. They wanted him out of the family here. They suggested, he he said at 18 he left the satanic disciples his own cult he was driven out of now he wasn't driven out of his own cult no so much as he was he chose to leave his own cult because the way he put it he said that fellow cult members in the satanic disciples suggested killing a baby oh my god they said

what if we kill an innocent person instead of an animal let's kill a baby let's up the ante here they said they considered it the ultimate sacrifice to satan but he said he said he thought it was unnecessary yeah which is a not a horrible thing or everything that's not necessary what are we talking about here that's uh yeah but he created this shit and and made them where they're at and then he's like you guys go on i'll go on without me i'm gonna leave now that's what you did you just created this you just set up set a big forest fire and then went well i'm gonna go home for dinner now and just walked away from it there it goes let that out oh that's a lot there's a lot of underbrush in there that's gonna burn for a while he said uh quote to kill a kid for a ritual that lasts maybe three hours

and the kid's life is gone for good it's pointless it's pointless it's just not three hours i mean three hours i mean we can dance and we can fuck in the in its blood but i mean then what then what are we gonna do so oh boy his uh it's he said he was still into then what, then what are we going to do? So, Oh boy, his, uh, it's, he said he was still into Satan, but he just got to get out of that official group here. Uh,

but he stayed out of cults, uh, to remain on good terms with his family members. He said, he's like, I didn't want to, you know, I was still in the Satan,

but I wasn't like an outright cult person just to be cool with the fam. You know how that works. He said, quote, I hid my religion. So I wouldn't disappoint them because of the way society based it. I pretended to change so I would have a place to sleep. That's all.

Then he gets a job at a fast food restaurant because he's got nothing else going on for him here. So that's when he meets David and Keith Lawrence, David 22, Keith 19. So he meets them. They start hanging out. And he also he Goodwin really was looking for something, man. He was looking hard for things. In 1991, he joined the Indianapolis Guardian Angels. Oh, really?

Yeah. Which if you're not from the US or if or if you're very young you don't know these were these group of people who would walk around and take it upon themselves to be like a basically like a a violent neighborhood watch you know what i mean like neighborhood watch but we'll kick their fucking asses and they had like berets and shit and they got and it got at first it was like it came up in new york city in the 70s when you know they need but then it got it got pretty corrupt i believe the organization if i'm not mistaken and yeah you know and also had good intentions at first yeah he wanted to keep people safe on the subway and walk old ladies across the street without him getting right yeah but uh yeah that's a problem crazy as every group does any kind of group where anybody gets any kind of power it's going to go to

shit it's just the way it is it because everything becomes a cult even if there's no religion involved in it there's a cult even these uh companies are cults you know yeah watch that we work documentary that shit was a cult period i mean they had like this cult fervor in their eyes when they watched a man talk about workspace and profits and shit. It was creepy as fuck. Creepy, dude. Yeah. Creepy.

What's it on, WeWork? I think it's on Hulu, possibly. It might be on Netflix. I'm not sure. I'll find it. One of those two. But it's a crazy, crazy thing. So, yeah, he joined the uh the

indianapolis guardian angels uh but he was kicked out jesus christ this is you don't want to put this on a resume of why you got well i was in the guardian angels for a while oh can we call them as a reference well probably won't do much good because i was kicked out for killing a cat to use in a satanic ritual so jesus that goes against the bylaws of the angels really they're they're not into that found out yeah it's it's you know how did a guy that's into the devil stuff get into a group called angels he's looking for something yeah you can see he just wants to be part of a cult a part of the guardian angels clearly this kid's looking for a group to be see he just wants to be part of a cult, a part of the guardian angels.

Clearly this kid's looking for a group to be a part of. You know what I mean? If it sucks, it's not the answer to everything, but it sucks that he just wasn't half decent at sports or something. He could have played, you know, just something about bench warmer just to have some camaraderie. He would have done it. He just wants some kind of camaraderie, at least in sports. I feel like his plan was to get kicked out of that just because Satanan was a fallen angel you know what i mean maybe oh maybe that's possibly trying to be a wise yes drama maybe would have been good for him you know what i mean he could have pretended some

satanic shit i don't know could have really put on some dramatic shit he seems to like black cloaks and all that crap he likes you know pageantry so why not so um now david lawrence let's bring the lawrences into this sure david lawrence he says quote i was never a satanist this is the 22 year old mind you 19 year old younger brother the problem is my brother is one his younger brother okay that's the problem that's the problem uh david said he first discovered his brother's interests in this sort of shit when he saw his necklaces. One is an upside down cross and a pentagram slash goat head medallion. Yeah. So he had that going on and that his brother saw that was like, oh, what's up with that?

He also said heavy, quote, heavy metal rock music also led Keith Lawrence into Satanism, his brother said. He said, quote, from what I saw, he wanted to become a satanic philosopher. He went well beyond what people do with music. He made a Bible out of music. Every album was like a Bible in his mind. Yeah, you take that way too far. Anybody who takes any music that seriously, when you're trying to find meaning in lyrics just let me tell you every song no matter how deep you think it is or whether it's

eight six seven five three oh nine no matter what the fuck it is it was written by a musician in three minutes while they were taking a shit just keep that in your brain it's not special they didn't cry when they wrote it they didn't were like, I wrote this while I was taking a shit. Can we try to record it now while an engineer sat there like, can we get something going? What's up with this? We need to lay that other track. It's not special. They wrote that shit because it rhymed.

That's why they said it. Literally. It rhymes. And they wrote it in three minutes. There was no deep thought. There might be a couple of songs on the face of the earth but not whole heavy metal albums that are like that song for what it's worth was written by the drummer and they said do you have any ideas and he goes i wrote this for what it's worth and they're like what's it called he's like i don't

have a name for it yet they're like we're calling it for what it's worth there you go dickhead there you go ringo throw it up that's why it doesn't say for what it's worth in the song at all. There you go, man. Makes fucking sense. So he was really, I think, looking into shit a little too deep. And you get people that kind of get obsessive about things, and that happens too. David said that his brother searched all through bookstores for books on Satanism, obviously the Satanic Bible. Another book called Magic with a CK and the 19th century Satanist Alistair Crowley and several volumes on witchcraft or by that's he wrote Magic Alistair Crowley, several volumes on witchcraft.

He wrote Magic, Alistair Crowley. Several volumes on witchcraft. He says, David says, quote, I think anybody who wanted to research Satanism would be very satisfied with my brother's material. He built a nice collection, apparently. David said, quote, Keith became rebellious and hateful and hated everything. It bothered him a lot that I didn't become a Satanist myself. You can't expect others to join you in that. That's one of those, you have to know you're going down a Satanist myself. That's you can't expect others to join you in that. That's one of those. You have to know you're going down a path alone there.

Quote, one day out of nowhere, he took a kitchen knife and chased me around the house and tried to kill me because I wouldn't become a Satanist. Dear fuck. Holy shit. That's that's. But what's your end game? You're not going to convert me. You're going to kill me. I guess scare them into end game you're not going to convert me you're going to kill me

i guess scare them into converting that's not going to do it i i mean well i mean it might do it for that minute but after that is i don't believe in it anymore and it was when you're on the way to the hospital with your knife wound welcome to the small town of chinook where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper in In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted

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case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. Keith ended up being sent away by his parents at one point to a private school for boys in Terre Haute for part of the year, but that doesn't change his behavior because then he's just around a bunch of boys, so that's even worse. He doesn't even have to try to act normal, so girls will fuck him. And Terre Haute is where a fucking prison is at also. That's just

a bad town where they just try to reform people that are not going to be reformed. That's a good, yeah. And if you wanted to reform this kid, I feel like, rather than put him in an all boys school you should have put him in an all girls school or he's the only boy in the class he would have completely changed because he would have been like i i'm i gotta get my shit together

i got a shot at something if i can if i can keep on the straight and narrow here and not do any weird shit yeah i'm gonna get a couple of these girls to do something with me this is gonna be great uh he says that uh um didn't change his behavior going to the private school david said quote this was his form of rebellion somehow he found a religion that promotes hatred for all people he said that uh david didn't avoid keith though he didn't like you know didn't want to not have anything to do with him he said he spent most of their time together they were always together him and keith they were like best friends they worked together they did everything together like i said they worked at the fast food place

where they met mark goodwin uh the brothers and their parents didn't talk much they were kind of the you know they were the only they kept to themselves because the family wasn't close perhaps that's why this kid's so fucking mad you know which is part of the problem we don't know what happened in their childhood and i mean is it just kind of a typical we had an 80s sort of half neglectful racing you know what i mean is it just that sort of thing of just like i don't know we'll be home later use your key watch tv i don't know one of those or feral upbringing i'm not sure he said he was the only family member that would talk to me with respect that was the only reason i hung out ever hung around him a satanic brother is all i had that's sad a satanic depressing that's a depressing all i had was my satanic brother so and when they met goodwin meets the lawrences um goodwin also

noticed keith's necklace and he asked him oh are you into satan and uh he said yeah and then goodwin was like well fuck yeah or you know high five let's talk about it let's do this like we're gonna have a picnic and do some satan shit he says uh goodwin now mark goodwin says quote keith made me uh made a whole lot more sense than a lot of my reading put together he He was talking about Satanism as a way of life. So now this kid is also swayed by a younger person who's a year younger than him is telling him about philosophy and life, and this makes more sense in the books. Like, Keith is dangerous.

He has, like, the way he's so kind of fervorous about everything, he's got potential to have a Mansson situation going on when people yeah when this person who's been into satan for 10 years go oh man i met him and he just made more sense than all my reading put together that's dangerous yeah that's fucking dangerous so um goodwin ends up being so fascinated with keats ideas that he gets back into satanism he would he was kind of out of it after he got out of the cult he would dabble a bit but then he got into the guardian angels he didn't know what he was into right he was a he was a dandelion in the breeze you know he knew nothing

looking for a team looking for a team he said though when he found keith he said quote i thought if i could hook up with this dude maybe we could go somewhere where yeah what's the endgame of having a great satanic cult what are you what are you going to get out of that is there some sort of success plan for that is there a model yourself

after is there a lot of like is that how desperate he is to be liked though that he found one dude that likes the same shit he likes? And he's like, this is it. Yeah. Meanwhile, you both work at fucking Hardee's. You know what I'm saying?

Like, figure out how to get better jobs and then worry about other shit around it. Figure out how to make a living first. No offense if you work at Hardee's, but for fuck's sake, it's not your end goal, is it? No. You're looking for something better every goddamn day. You work at Hardee's. Fill out applications on the weekend and you wait for the next job to come around. That's what you do.

Yeah. I don't care if it's what's the step up from, I don't know, the Olive Garden, something. You step up. That's what you do in life. We've all done it. I worked at fucking Taco Bell when I was a teenager. We get it. So they became friends.

They also, this is when they drew up a written contract with the devil oh boy they wrote it oh like he's gonna sign it i love how i keep imagining what the what that negotiating session was going back and forth well claw claws seven paragraph three i i have to cross this out you're making it it doesn't even sound like what we want it to be we said you have it's a silver chalice if what if we just put a chalice they can put it in a gold chalice that's not the same it's got to be silver satan's never going to agree to these terms he's just not we're never gonna and do you like send it off and wait for it to come back stricken like what do you do how do you you just send it off like a letter letter to santa claus basically so you just go these are our demands and we'll give you our soul i mean you

do know the end game the end game for satan is he gets your soul so i guess you could just write up whatever you want just be like this is the only thing we're accepting that dude that's it oh it's it's take it or leave it for the soul that's all there is and then you take it outside and burn it i feel like and then satan it's in the air and sat you take it outside and burn it i feel like and then satan it's in the air and satan knows it's there so they signed it uh they signed it in their own blood of course they did because i've how else do you sign a fucking contract with satan duh duh uh he says quote and this is good one if we do it let's do it to the full extent and sign our souls. That's what he said.

He remembered saying at the time. And they believed this pact would provide them anything they wanted for the next 20 years. So I was wrong. It wasn't when they were 15. It was now. How did I miss that earlier? So it was in 91. So first of all, you're writing the contract.

Why 20 years? I get when you're 19, 20 years seems like a long time because you haven't been alive 20 years i get when you're when you're 19 20 years seems like a long time because you haven't been alive 20 years yet but when you're 39 you're gonna be like holy shit i got a lot of life in front of me and my contract's up fuck that was fast that was fat if you're making the terms just put 80 years but 100 years who cares it's your contract you wrote it he's acting like there was another side pushing back and they were negotiating jesus christ maybe he just felt beholden like he owed something you know and he wanted to give a wanted to give a good deal if one of these guys has a car for sale i'd really love to know about

it because i'll buy it i feel like i'm really gonna get a smoking deal on this so goodwin says he and keith lawrence thought then quote after 20 years are up, Satan can do what he wants or kill us. At the time, we didn't care. Once again, in your 1939 feels like I'll be way dead by then. Jesus, there's no way I'm going to live to 39. I'll be hit by a meteor. I'll be, you know, bungee jumping accident. Something crazy is going to happen by then.

you know, bungee jumping accident, something crazy is going to happen by then, I would assume. 20 years is a long time, but it's not that fucking long to where you give everything to something after 20 years of good luck, I guess. I don't know. What do you get? No, life just leaks out like air from a fucking tire with a broken thingy, a broken valve. That's all it is. That's life. It doesn't... You hope for a big catastrophic thing. Right. Old people, when they see somebody's heart exploded, they're like, lucky bastard, because that didn't take them...

They didn't have Alzheimer's for five years while they battled cancer and did all that shit. They're like, ah, you lucky son of a bitch. Didn't even have to forget where the bathroom is in the middle of your own living room. A plane part could fall from the sky and crush them, and they'd be like, ah, lucky son of a bitch didn't even have to forget where the bathroom is in the middle of your own living room a plane part could fall from the sky and crush them and they'd be like ah that son of a be at the lottery he was whistling while he walked through his yard didn't even see it coming beautiful so now uh david lawrence keats brother he's hanging out with them the whole time, but he's not into this. Okay. Which is, he's the worst.

He's the, I call him the lesser Lawrence through this whole thing in my brain. Okay. Because get your fucking, even though he's not into Satan, making him probably smarter, but still, what are you hanging around your little brother and his other little Satan friend here if you're not into Satan? This is so super weird. And letting them call the shots. Yeah. He said he described himself as a passive bystander to the satanic activity, is what he described.

He said he witnessed the blood signing ceremony, but didn't take part in it. No? He was just like, you guys, you guys go ahead. I got things I got to get done over here. You guys go ahead. He also watched his brother and Goodwin twice unsuccessfully try to communicate with the dead at an abandoned cemetery. Yeah.

You know why? Because you can't. Because they're dead. They're fucking dead. That's why. They just went and sat at a cemetery and were jerk offs. So let's talk about some carny action here this group um they come across jimmy lee penis as well yeah working for the carnival and uh at some point basically all

of them get jobs at the carnival they get they leave the fast food restaurant yeah and goodwin meets penis yeah and uh the lawrence is no Goodwin and they're all, they all become, they're all in the Satan. They all think this is quite interesting because Jimmy Lee penis loves Satan as well. Like we said before. So they're all in the Satan and they meet another young man who's interested in Satan. Uh, we got the four. Now we got Mark Goodwin, David and Keith Lawrence and Jimmy Lee penis. Yes. Add to add to this group William Anthony Ault. He goes by Tony Ault. Yeah. A-U-L-T.

Tony Ault. He is 21 years old at the time, just turned 21, and he's also a carny here. And Jesus Christ, they said they end up getting with this whole thing. Now, Goodwin says during this whole time, he's still having problems with his family. He said that all the guys were at this point. They were hanging on by a thread because they're into like Satanism and shit and their families don't like it. He said me and the guys had family disputes. We were on the verge of being thrown out on our ears.

That's Goodwin said that. He said in May he needed to move, and that's when they all found jobs at the amusement company that traveled to fairs throughout Indiana and Ohio. So you're a traveling carny. What do you think the accommodations are that they put you up in there? I'll bet it's an old coach that all five of them have to sleep in together, and one of them has to drive it. I figured it was the box truck that the ride came in. Absolutely. Like Steve Martin in The Jerk.

He lived in there, and he had us eating pizza in a cup and shit. That's what I picture them doing now. Sleeping in a fucking box trailer with the lady that rides the dirt bike. Yeah. I'll be able to send more money next week. She told me she's going to give me a blow job so uh no they all get a job here and uh in the coming months they work for a bunch of different companies because there'll be one that'll come through

and then they'll get a job in another one it's not like an industry where you really hang on to you know, this is my carnival guy. He's been with me 25 years running the same ride. It's a transient job. Do you remember the comedian here locally that got in with that fucking traveling circus and that's what he does now? He still fucking does it like eight years later.

Jesus Christ. The guy that got the Freddy krueger penis tattooed on his i know yeah yeah i forget his name i don't remember but psychotic they still do it i have this i've told you about satanic bill if you're a new listener when i was a teenager we're talking right around 1992 probably 1993 right uh a little traveling carnival came to the village of fishkill one of those little carny things it was the the ames parking lot yeah there and uh it was in there by the otb and the bagel shop and the chinese joint and all that shit it was in there and they used to come through all the time and it was a shitty little parking lot carnival and one of the

guys stayed behind and some he was like 23 we were like 15 somehow my friend convinced his parents to let satanic bill move into the basement we called him satanic bill because his name was bill and he was super satanic and into that sort of shit and he had like pentagrams on his denim jacket and all that kind of shit right you guys nailed it that we just said satanic bill and we called him that for years and he thought it was funny because he's satanic and his name's bill stuck around the town he stuck around the circus left the circus the carnival left he stayed in my friend's basement long story short they got arrested while tripping on acid breaking into a concession stand and stealing

candy like idiots and bill had a record satanic bill obviously that's why he's in fucking working for a traveling carnival. So he went to prison for like a year and a half for stealing candy and would write my one friend death threat letters from jail all the time that he was going to murder him when he got out and he couldn't wait to kill him. And then when he got out, he went and he found him and he didn't kill him. And the guy's parents let him move back into the house. Oh, my God.

Get out of here. I swear to God. And then he introduced all my friends, not all of them, but about half of them, to smoking crack. Perfect. That's what happened. That's the guy. That's Satanic Bill. So this is the guy.

I just wanted to say that to tell you I know this person very clearly, and it's Jimmy Lee Penis. He's Satanic Bill, I feel like. and it's Jimmy Lee penis. He's Satanic Bill, I feel like. So anyway, they're on what they call the carnival circuit, which is hilarious. Goodwin and Keith Lawrence, while they're going through the carny circuit,

they noticed a lot of these carnies are into this shit too, you know, because what else they got going on. So they said, you know what? We got to start a new cult. Oh, boy. I think it's time. Let's get the band back together. Let's do this, right? So they're going you know what? We got to start a new cult. Oh, boy. I think it's time. Let's get the band back together. Let's do this.

Right. So they're going to do that. So in Brownstown, Brownstown, Brownstown, they recruited Jimmy Lee Penis of Shelbyville, who also said he was a Satanist. So he was like, shit. Yeah, let's get it on. I'm into a cult here. So they end up crossing paths with another carnival worker, Tony Alt, as well, who's 21. Now, Mark Goodwin says, quote, I know for a fact that he was interested in Satanism. If he was actually practicing, I couldn't say he wanted to find a crowd he could fit into. That's the general idea of a lot of satanists he just nailed it right there they're just looking for a crowd that's and satan satanist groups like they are accepting that's one thing yeah you don't have to be any kind of it's you know you don't have to have a good jumper you don't have to be like handsome you don't have to dress right you don't have to skills can be thrown

right at the fuck out the window yeah there's very few things you really have to do. You just have to be willing to hang out with these people and say dumb shit and be willing to watch cats get murdered, I guess, seems like the main qualification for this general group here. You don't have to be fast. You just have to buy bullshit. That's it. Pretty much that's it. So September the 26th, 1991. it yeah so september the 26th 1991 now this is essentially what uh three and a half weeks after um after uh uh andrew wright was found uh in the field yep stabbed to death right so uh or he

hasn't been found yet but this is after he's been killed actually he's dead but still sitting in the woods rotting so keep that in the backstory there um now apparently um the we it's not a big mystery who killed andrew right it was jimmy lee penis and keith right and keith lawrence i mean um they killed right because apparently jimmy lee likes to talk a lot of shit about how much of a big badass he is. So he's a couple of years older than these guys. I feel like he wants to feel like he's got some sort of like, you know, I'm a worldly son of a bitch. I'm Mr. Carney, man. I've seen Carney's. You ain't never seen, buddy.

You ever been to Western Pennsylvania? It's a whole other world in Western Pennsylvania. I'll tell you what. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a badass. I'll tell you what, you know, I'm saying, like, I'm a badass. So Jimmy would like to Jimmy Lee Penick would like to tell everybody about, like, all the crimes he commits. And I'm really cool. And apparently, Andrew Wright had been talking openly to other people about Jimmy Lee Penick's involvement in crimes in Ohio, all around the state. That's the rumor going around. So what happened was Jimmy Lee Penick murdered him and stabbed him in the neck.

Him and Keith Lawrence stabbed him in the neck in a rural field, drove him out to the side of the road and dumped him in the woods, essentially. So we're talking some shit. Like they're fucking Marl uh marlo from the wire like they're like a got a massive enterprise or something yeah what did he do he stole a car in southern ohio and this guy's talking shit about it to other carny workers who gives a shit you need to kill him over that so what ended up happening is that jimmy lee doesn't learn his

lesson of stop telling people shit and then you won't have to murder them for it, obviously. And what he does is he makes sure to tell other people that they killed Andrew Wright. Just mouthing off about it. That's the thing, especially Tony Alt. He tells Tony Alt about it because Alt is hanging around this group wanting to be in the little Satanist group. And Jimmy's got to tell everybody what a badass they are. We just killed this kid over here and left him in the field and hail Satan, you know, because he's blah, blah, blah. So he's doing all that kind of shit.

Later on, a police investigator will say the bottom line is Alt had information of the previous murder. Jimmy Lee knew that. That's what we believe. That's what we believe the previous murder. Jimmy Lee knew that. That's what we believe. That's what we believe the motivation was. So what ends up happening is Brenda Ferguson, Mark Goodwin asks a friend of his named Brenda Ferguson.

Yeah. So he's got a girl here helping out now to help him find a secluded place where they could initiate Tony Alt into the satanic cult. Okay. You can't just do that in the McDonald's parking lot.

You need some open air for that, obviously. An abandoned barn. People judging shit. People looking in, people judging. Nowadays they'd have their phones on it, obviously. You can't just be out in the middle of nowhere. So they wanted to... So after the carnival closed for the evening, Jesus, there was people like, you know, throwing darts at balloons, trying to win Def Leppard mirrors.

And then an hour later, they're doing this shit. He after they close, Brenda Ferguson drives all five of them to a secluded farm building and drops them off. secluded farm building and drops them off we're talking uh the lawrence boys uh the lawrence boys uh tony alt uh jimmy lee pennick and mark goodwin they're all going out there so uh they they're telling all they're going to initiate him into the cult here um they get they have a door that's been taken off just an old door and they lay that down in the center of everything and they use the door as an altar that's their altar they're sitting on it no no it's it's laying out there and they ask they ask tony alt to lie down on the door okay so they go lie down on the door and uh they tie they bind and gag him okay so they tie him up and they gag him because that's

how satan trusts it's a lot well hey that's why you're going into a cult here. We all got to trust each other. And Satan likes it a little freaky. You know what I'm saying? He wants you to be, he wants to hear, he's into that. That makes him come. So he is tied up and he's gagged. And then Keith Lawrence reads an invocation to Satan, obviously.

You can't do this without. Yeah, you can't do this without him. What are we doing here? So then Jimmy Lee Penick asks Tony Alt if he's ready to die. OK, so he answers, I guess, in the affirmative, because that's the whole thing here that's going on. Charles Manson used to do that with people all the time. Yeah. He used to say,

are you ready to die? You ready to die right now? And he would say shit like that. And then if they would say yes, then he would, you know, embrace them. And you know,

that would be, okay. That shows that you, you give yourself to me, that I could, that you trust me to kill you. Like you trust me with your life. That means I can trust you.

It's fucking creepy and weird. So, and it's just cult behavior. So anyway anyway of any kind not just satanists of anybody so um what ends up happening is oh jesus christ jimmy lee takes a knife and he cuts Tony Alt from his neck to his pelvis. Oh, my. Slices him that way. Then slices two more from side to side. Yep. Basically making a big I. Big H. A big capital I. Sideways H, capital I.

Yeah, exactly. There you go. Capital I. He's alive while this is happening here. Jesus Christ, at some point during this he's obviously alive and in a great deal of pain and they're still talking to him and stuff like that mark goodwin tries to cut the beating heart out of his chest oh dear god what they peel his skin back which isn't easy by the way with a living person and he tries to dig out his still beating heart while he's while he's alive um and he's telling him like i'm trying

to get your heart what the fuck like it's absolutely that is unbelievable and he's bound and gagged and everything else like that um Yeah, it's it's Jesus Christ. Other marks were made by by Keith Lawrence with a knife as well on him. They did certain things. We'll get into the details of it. But he poor Tony Alt remained conscious throughout all of this. Not only alive, but conscious. Knew it was happening.

Knew somebody was trying to do this to him finally though jimmy lee pennock is like jesus christ enough of this stuff and finally just cuts his throat this is like a mob hit from casino you know what i mean this is like holy shit charlie fucking him but charlie yeah you made me pop out your fucking eyeball for charlie fucking m charlie fucking m that piece of shit all right so the this is absolutely insane um but but still like the the cutting of the throat that's not over fast you know what i mean this is fucked up no and they had him cut open and marking him in different marks and then it's absolutely horrifying um this is off a country off country road 40 in decalp county in an abandoned barn somewhere finally he bleeds to

death from the multiple incisions and especially the throat cutting um he after after alts uh stopped making gurgling sounds. Finally, Jesus Christ. Jimmy Lee was like, well, we know what we have to do now. Let's see here. Well, I'll cut off his head and his hands and we'll burn them. Okay. Obviously, because that's what you do. Clearly.

So Jimmy Lee severs Alts hands and his head Cuts them off in a barn. Like, this is hardcore. And burns them in the fire. Everybody contributes to this and helps build the fire and helps dump his parts in and all that sort of thing. And then they dump him out. They dump him off somewhere. And then the four of them just continue to work at carnivals through the end of the season in october like nothing happened they just dumped him in a field like nobody noticed nothing happened there um in october jimmy lee returns to shelbyville and uh

goodwin and the lawrences all head south uh keith has a beat-up van that they can all hop in because these three of course they're in a van. I mean, there's no other, especially in 92. It's not like a cool hooked up van that people are like making Instagram videos in. This is a fucking this is a strobe and at best, this is a rate mobile at best. That's what this is. This is keep your kids away from this van. Then he names the van rigor mortis of course too okay and they drive

to florida why because there's carnivals all year round in florida baby oh my god jesus this is terrible um goodwin admits that he scratched an inverted cross into alt's torso with the knife while he was still alive and conscious as well and And, you know, he was trying to do that. He also admitted that he helped everybody carry the dead body out of the barn. He'll say this later. Uh, they use the door as a stretcher basically to carry him outside. Right.

And, um, yeah, cut off his head in his hands. And then, um, by the way, after they were done murdering poor Tony alt,

he had a few bucks on him. What? So, you yeah obviously satan needs money right clearly and then what is what what would satan do after he murdered someone in a ritual what would satan eat wwse what's the dinner what yeah oh what is the murder meal uh what's the murder meal did they get steaks james fuck no no no no no these are carny workers worse yeah arby's yeah they used the victim's money to fucking eat arby's they had murder diarrhea yeah they had the murder squirts jimmy this is not okay let's get a beef and cheddar i just killed my friend they got five for fives.

Tried to cut his beating heart from his chest. Who wants a beef and cheddar? Who wants curly fries? What the fuck is going on? That's what they got. You know they got beef and cheddar. You know they got beef. Yeah, they got five for fives,

and they got curly fries. Gross. Because you know they did. You know they got five for fives, and they got curly fries. Gross. Because you know they did. You know they did. This is, oh my God. You know, I'm upset with all of everything that's happened, and then that makes it worse. Seven dollars, fed them all. Wasted on Arby's just really kills it for me.

Oh my God. They eat at Arby's in Auburn, the four of them. They had to have changed. They must have been covered in blood. They cut a guy. They made an incision, ripped his chest open, and then cut his head off. The blood comes out. I guess he wouldn't bleed that much after they slit his throat.

But when they slit his throat, there'd be spray. I mean, that's going to be everywhere. But if they went through the drive-thru, I guess you don't notice. If they went in, what's the best thing you say? Oh, yeah. Then again, it's Arby's. The Arby's sauce comes out of the packet faster than you thought. I don't know.

Then again, it's Arby's. Are they really taking a second look at you, even if you're head-to-toe covered in blood? Probably blended pretty well in an Arby's. Are they even looking up from the register? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, how many beef and shredders do you want? And they just type it in, here you go five or ten sir

you son of a bitch i was taking a drink pretty well implied what's happening here we know i just spit water all over the foam in my in our studio oh that's awful i couldn't help myself there jesus christ what a mess so anyway they eat at arby's so at this point they do all of their things uh later on a girlfriend of goodwin notices and she's a carny girl too she knows knows the whole group she noticed that um alt had had uh worn a bracelet that goodwin is now wearing apparently and uh so he's like you have that guy's bracelet and then also she said that um that he that goodwin seemed nervous the day of the killing as well what they thought was the day of the killing as well.

What they thought was the day of the killing. She said around then he seemed real weird and nervous. So two days after the killing, she's like, what's going on here? You seem all weird. You're wearing a guy's bracelet. Are you going steady with him or something? It's a fucking story here. Are you about to dump me?

What are you going to tell me here? And Goodwin tells her probably what she least expected to hear, you know, in her mind, worst case scenario, he's going to go, I'm gay with, well with Tony and we fuck each other and sorry.

Yeah. He instead said, um, I witnessed a human sacrifice, which is not what she wanted to hear, obviously. Um, so keep that in mind here.

Um, they leave though. Like I said, they all went down south. David Lawrence, who's the non-Satanist, who, by the way, was there, though, through all of this shit. That's when you check out. Now, yeah, I don't care whether you're into it or not. You're doing it.

Who gives a shit if you're into it? He said, quote, I was stupid. I wanted to go to Florida so bad. And Keith had a vehicle. So he went with him. There you go. It's so so bad. And Keith had a vehicle. So he went with him. There you go. It's so fucking bad. So they went all the way down there on December 30th.

After returning from Florida to Indianapolis, Goodwin ends up getting arrested. He says, I didn't know it was coming. Well, how did he get arrested? Let's find out here. He told his dad about the whole thing.

That's how he got arrested. Yep. He told um he told his dad about the whole thing that's how he got arrested yep he told his father um called him up on the phone and uh his father william goodwin told police in a december 12th phone call that his son described witnessing the murder of a man in county as part of a satanic sacrifice so um yeah there's that yeah yeah he just did it so december 13th state police officers ended up um finding because you know they he knows where because he told his girlfriend who and told his dad sure so they go out and look and they end up finding jesus that would have must have been a bad find this has been sitting there for months yeah no hands no head holy shit cut open from the inside so i mean it would even didn't even need the skin it would just rot oh that's terrible found him in

a in a farm field um they found evidence of a fire and nearby skull and hand bone fragments fragments because when you just burn a skull in a campfire it's not going to incinerate it you know it's not a contrary to not a cremation thing popular belief bodies don't burn that easy no they really don't they're really hard to burn and then once you burn them then you have the thing of the bones and you're it's take excessively hot temperatures that you're not going to achieve in a campfire to to burn those. So the same day that all this happens, that they find all that they find out this is true. Basically, they got this call and they're like, let's hope this is a prank. It's not, obviously.

So then they arrest Goodwin and charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. And then Jimmy Lee Penis is arrested at his Shelbyville home on a murder charge as well. Gets him every time. Take that, you fucking dick. Yep, there you go. Jimmy Lee, right away he confesses too. Gives it up like nobody's because he's proud of it, I guess.

He confesses. Goodwin admits to witnessing the killing, even though he tried to pry his still beating heart out of his chest. And the Lawrences were both charged with aiding in murder, even though Keith is pretty deep in this shit. He was found, Alt was found in a field. It was December 13th, 1991 he was finally found, from September 26th. He's found in a field off Morning Star Road near County Road 35.

So if you're from that area, maybe you know where that is. So Jack Badan, who's a state police trooper investigator, he said that he was the one assigned to the case, and he said, quote, it was a fantastically brutal crime up there. The savagery with which they dismembered the victim is hard for a lot of people to comprehend. Cause it,

it's fucking horrible. It's a lot. Yeah. They tortured him. I mean, it's, it's unbelievable. He said,

uh, the bottom line is that alt had information of the previous murder. Jimmy panic knew that that's what we believe was one of the motives for his murder. So they think that he, Jimmy Lee, that all found out about this murder in Ohio. And they think that he was,my lee that all found out about this murder in ohio and they think that he was you know getting mouthy about it and they lured him in under the ruse of you can be in

our satanic cult but you have to get initiated you have to do what we say and this dude was like cool and then they you know bound and gagged him and they could do whatever they want to him yuck so everybody's been arrested so far except the Lawrence boys. They haven't been picked up yet and they don't get picked up for a while. They're down in Florida. They're down in Florida. So they can't be found right now. Um, uh, January 8th, 1992 though, Jimmy Lee is charged, uh, with murder in Ohio as well.

Uh, he is charged here. He said that he, they believe that Wright's cult was not a Wright's death was not related to the occult. He said, quote, that's not to say these two individuals in Indiana weren't involved in that. But as far as our murder is concerned,

there's no relation between any satanic rituals and the crime, which we find out. Yeah, that was probably just because he was talking shit about other things that he did. But panic, once they get him into custody he talks shit he starts talking all the shit he starts talking about i've killed a lot more people than this what guys he's pulling a henry lee lucas here where he's just going i killed them all he told police that he had killed someone in every midwestern town the carnival had stopped, including a small child.

But they said there was never really substantiated. But Dan said, quote, every place the carnival went, we looked for unidentified bodies, any kind of John Doe deaths, but we didn't find anything. But they also didn't leave him in places to be found as well if you're leaving him in the woods maybe you're not finding him i'm not saying he did kill someone in every little town i think he was trying to make himself a big hot shot he was trying to make himself a richard ramirez i feel like where he wanted to be like this swarthy dude that a bunch of like you know chicks would come and like be like oh he's so dark and dangerous i i feel like that's what she's he's

going for there's that and and then there's the also the the part where like a guy that's just a part of an occult thing uh that killed two people is just a turd in jail you know what i mean whereas like somebody that's a serial killer that guy might get some respect in there and not be fucked with he's a celebrity at that point right he's at least you get some kind yeah you're right that's either that he wants something he wants that recognition as all these that's why they're they were all in all this shit because they wanted some kind of form of status right yeah he says though quote panic above all of them when you sat and talked to him you believe what he said about the auburn murder which is Tony Ault. So the Lawrence brothers are finally arrested on January 12th, which is like a month after

everybody else almost. They're arrested where? Of course, at Miami International Airport. Obviously, where else would they be? A couple of high flying, swinging international carny folk here. Dressed like pilots getting on a Pan Am flight. Is that what they were doing that's what they were doing just like actually flight attendants they had short

skirts on that's what gave them away yeah one of the lawrence boys didn't shave his legs and they just were like now i mean look something's off here so they're arrested obviously um the they're arrested by u.s customs actually they use their actually. They use their passports to board an airplane flight at Freeport, the Bahamas. So they were in the Bahamas here doing carny shit, which was a clearance station for U.S. Customs. And they noticed warrants through the computer verification once they ran their passports. And they notified federal officials in Miami. So they let them get on the plane from the bahamas and land in miami when they got off the plane there's people waiting for brilliant

yeah why arrest them on the island so why arrest them there don't come here and get them they're coming to you they're flying right to you just be there just stand outside and wait yeah it's coming like a package so uh they were held in the dade County Jail before being sent back to Indiana. They get extradited back there. I don't think they fight extradition. They'd been working for the last couple months in the Bahamas for amusement companies at carnivals in Nassau on New Providence Island and in Freeport on Grand Bahama Island. That's why they do this. Hell of a gig for carnies.

You know what I mean? That's why you run that gig so that you can go to places like that. That sounds awesome. You work Ohio all summer so you can go there in the winter. So now, if convicted of the crimes with their faced with here, Penick faces the death penalty and the prosecutor says they are going for the death penalty on Jimmy Lee Penis. They want him good or the the penis they want the penis they're looking for give me some jimmy so they uh said if they didn't go for the death penalty it would be up to 60 years in jail and a ten thousand dollar fine he is charged with goodwin is charged with conspiracy to commit

murder and could receive 50 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. The Lawrences each face up to 60 years in prison on charges of aiding in a murder because they have a bunch of charges that all stack up. There's like six charges that stack up to 60 years. So that's how that goes here. Keith Lawrence and Penick have been charged with the aggravated murder. And here, I'll turn the monitor to you so you can see these four fucking idiots. Yep, that looks like exactly what I thought it would look like. Look at Keith Lawrence. He looks exactly like you think he would.

Jimmy Penick kind of looks like a Charlie Sheen character, doesn't he, in this picture? With the short hair. Kind of snarky. Keith's neck, man. Look at the gullet on that kid. He's got quite the lengthy neck on him. And the larynx that pops out of that thing. Holy shit.

He's got an Adam's apple that won't quit, that kid. It's from chin to shoulders. Chin to shoulder, Adam's apple. Yeah. So they're trying to figure out whether the murders were human sacrifices or just, you know, human or just bad homicides that resembled satanic rituals. So Jack Badan said if the two defendants minds going in there, they in the two defendants minds going in there, they intended to kill Alt. He said they meaning Lawrence and panic, Keith Lawrence and panic panic use the ritual as a vehicle to do that. The others may or may not have known what was going on.

We're still trying to establish that talking about Goodwin and David Lawrence. They said we think we feel the satanic ritual was a ruse. We think it was a homicide to shut up to shut the kid up because he knew about the other murder. So they think it's not quite as all mystical as all that. They were just shutting somebody up like they were, you know, John Gotti or anybody else. He also says this is a judge now, says this quote. This is one of the worst crimes ever to have occurred in the last several decades in DeKalb County.

That's that's their judge, which is not what you want your judge to say. I think my judge likes me. That's I think my judge likes me. I i think my judge likes me i think i'm gonna get a suspended sentence now more satanist by the way i love the term satanist it sounds like it's like a botanist or hairstylist or just like like i just picture you yeah fashioning satan you know what i mean just like making let's put some curls on here perfect perfect you know what it's perfect satan satan you're gonna be the best thing at the ball i'm telling you right now satan you're leaving in

that shirt no the satanic ball you're gonna rule it this year satan i just picture it's like a very i don't know satanist the two dudes from best in show dressing him oh i pictured ladies i was picturing ladies and listen say Satan, listen here, baby. It's like older Southern women. They're like the makeup artists. I pictured like that. Listen, sugar. Listen, sugar.

We'll put some curls on you, darling, but I'm not sure. You're going to put your tail up in a bun. Oh, you know it. So the Daily Journal in Franklin at this point and the whole area freaks the fuck out about Satanists. They go nuts. Kids aren't allowed to play outside because the Satanists are going to steal them and carve them up in a ritual. It was four idiots and a carny, four carny idiots. That's all it was.

But they're acting like it's the end of the world. There is a thing here. Big headline saying blood and symbols worry police. Here we go. One of the quotes from Detective Gordon Emmert. Let's make sure to credit whichever idiot said this from the Greenwood Police Department. Yeah. He said, quote, it's becoming more predominant with the teenagers because of the

drugs and the heavy metal music that we didn't have 25 years ago okay you didn't have drugs you had elvis you didn't have drugs in 1967 he just said he just said we didn't have drugs in 1967 right you fucking dumb shit idiot or rock and roll you had it yeah buddy holly you guys hated him elvis you fucking hated him all those guys you hated all that shit yeah um so they said for years there's been rumors this is by a guy named brian corbin is the daily staff daily journal staff writer okay uh for years there have been rumors of johnson county satanic cults that practice ritual animal sacrifice sacrifice and devil worship. Often the only evidence of Satanism police have found were symbols painted on the walls of abandoned barns, which is also what kids do to freak adults out.

Pentagrams and upside down crosses and the number 666. Okay. Not numbers. Oh, Jesus. but the rumors became a jarring reality in january when two whiteland brothers and a former franklin man were arrested and charged with a gruesome murder mutilation murder in auburn it's we knew it was true everything is true because they killed this guy because he was going to tell on them so it's all true um yeah it's a william anthony alt they said police believe the subs uh suspects were members of a satanic cult in

Whiteland and that the cult member might the cult murder might have been a part of a satanic ritual. Mark Goodwin, formerly of Franklin, was charged with conspiracy to commit murder. They go through the charges. Authorities agree that there are other people in the country or in the county who practice Satanism and that the county residents should be aware of such practices. But police don't want to unnecessarily alarm residents and say the number of people involved is small.

Quote, this is Jack Badan again. Quote, there's involvement in Johnson County. He says, I don't want to scare people out there, but there's definitely a following. I don't want to scare people out there, but you should be scared. Yeah. He says that he hunts down tips and rumors. He says most of the time it's vandalism, spray painting, abandoned barns, churches, buildings, graveyards. He said based on the evidence, he believes Edinburgh, Franklin, and Greenwood each have a satanic cult group.

He says most of the cults are four or five kids who get together. That's not really a cult. That's four or five dipshits. I heard tell of some rumors around it. The police guy is running around chasing down rumors, James. Now, I heard some things from the diner when I was down there. Now, I won't tell you who said it, but listen up now. I heard Mary drinks between noon and one.

I'm not going to say nothing, though. You shouldn't either. He said they're mostly troubled teenagers who might have been abused or have emotional problems or even use drugs. He said, quote, they're together because no one else wants them. They're not in the athlete group or the band group. They may not be in the drug using group. Not even cool enough for the drug addicts. be in the drug-using group.

Not even cool enough for the drug addicts. Cults meet at night in any place secluded from prying eyes, such as barns, cemeteries, in the woods, or at someone else's home. That's where teenagers do everything. They drink beer there, they smoke weed there, they fuck there. They do it because they don't want you to see it, no matter what they're doing.

That's what I mean, even if it's innocent. The Edinburgh cult was started by some 13-year-olds who are now in their 20s, the cop said. Another group has practiced in Franklin for three or four years. Quote, it's been here in Greenwood for many, many a year. That's Detective Gordon Emeritt. It's becoming more predominant with the teenagers because of all the drugs and heavy metal music that we didn't have 25 years ago. metal music that we didn't have 25 years ago he said he became interested in act satanic activity five years ago when he attended a police seminar seminar on occult related crimes which is

fucking ridiculous their look up best of the worst the cults thing it's on youtube it's hilarious they actually have one of these old police like you know occult what to look out for videos it's hilarious like a docket for a team meeting it's so bad dude it's so cheesy uh he said he's been to 11 seminars since then he said it's just interesting what they're doing just interesting he said three years ago police found bibles burned in an old cemetery flower pot they were used in a satanic ceremony, Emmert said. Or not. No arrests were made. He said there's no law saying that you can't burn the Bible, so couldn't arrest anybody. You can be as weird as you want.

A year and a half. A year and a half ago, Emmert went to the scene of a satanic animal sacrifice in the woods near US 31 and Interstate 465 in Southern Marion County. A German shepherd dog was killed and hung by its tail. Its blood was drained.

Its heart was removed. He said there was no blood at the scene. They preserved all the blood for use in a ritual, which probably is true. Police believe the Lawrence brothers spray painted satanic symbols on a house and post office in Whiteland in 1990, but it was never proven. The Whiteland United Methodist Church also was spray painted with a pentagram at the time, and the reverend says, my guess is whoever did the other vandalisms. Blame it on him. Yeah, Goodwin used an abandoned barn to conduct satanic ceremonies and animal sacrifices. They

said in the barn there's an inverted cross spray-painted on the wall with the numeral six at three ends. Oh, boy. The Vandal or Vandals also spray-painted Satan with a devil's tail extending out of the last letter. That's just funny. I have a picture of this, by the way. I'll post it as one of the pictures on social media.

I have a picture. The Satan with the tail on the end? It's just funny. I have a picture of this, by the way. I'll post it as one of the pictures on social media. I have a picture. The Satan with the tail on the end? It's fucking hilarious. The whole of that room. And there's like a cop standing there looking at it like, these crazy kids. It's so funny. And also COS, which stands for Church of Satan. Okay.

I was going to say company of, but whatever. Either way. He said the cats were killed and mutilated in the barn and the animals were hung by the rafters and drained of their blood. They said, quote, they'll take any animal they can get. Cats, dogs, raccoons. It doesn't make any difference.

Life's a life. He said he rarely sees remains of sacrificed animals. He says, quote, most of the people, if they're smart, they normally get rid of the evidence. That's all or they're not doing it or it happens very rarely which is probably more true it's not happening all the time and you're we're just not we're catching two percent of the sacrificed cats imagine what's out there um he says quote i'm not sure if they are as dangerous as they want you to believe they are sure they help decrease the cat population. What?

How much do you hate cats, sir? Sure, they help decrease the cat population. But until this murder occurred, I don't think we've had a recorded satanic killing in Indiana. Jesus Christ. He does say, oh, this is Johnson County Sheriff Doran Miller, says Satanists are probably predisposed to crime. Probably, you know, through using drugs, committing acts of vandalism. But he's not worried about a future satanic murder within the county.

He said, I would agree with Detective Badan that potentially there are people who are involved in those things, but they're doing it elsewhere. Not in our town. God damn it. I have not seen anything in all our calls. It leads us to believe we have a problem to deal with here calm down everybody uh police say that these uh who cares here the the sense of belonging this is emmert again this idiot the sense of belonging is like joining a gang in the 70s it was sex drugs and rock and roll now it's sex drugs and satanism

no it's not no it's not that's four kids it's four fucking idiots that's all it was not everybody jesus are you fucking this guy this emmert's a dipshit he's one of these emmert emmert's read about charlie manson and now thinks that's what everybody does anytime he went yeah anytime there's three kids together they're all over there with pentagrams and shit it's it's a big cult because he went to a fucking uh uh what are they called uh seminar a meeting a seminar there you go so uh another guy that rasmus and the minister he said where satanism catches on in school or whatever it offers something friendship for kids some kind of belonging that's where they get there that's where they get their in with kids gee if there was only something else that that would describe who who do they

something that needs friendship some kind of belonging who who would look for people that are in desperate strange places like prison i would think they would find them and things like that it's very odd it's a different thing weird um so he said satanists particularly teenage cult members are quote very intelligent underachievers who are led easily i'd say a lot of times that's true also about 70 of the nation's population that's well not very intelligent how many smart people do you know jimmy be that's a great point there are so many fucking dumb people so there are and we're not bright but i mean there's people that dumb that we look at and go holy shit so that's how dumb they are think about that that's most of the population is stupid absolutely moronic it's it's wild i don't know how we found an audience of of a lot of people who

aren't yeah who aren't stupid it's it's wild somehow we found it because when we meet these people we're like oh that person was normal this one was normal too they were all normal we'll go to the whole meeting great normal people normal smart and intelligent things to say where the fuck are we finding these people how are they out there um they said all it takes to get them started is someone with the gift of gab who's a bit of a leader that the kids can look up to that goes for anything with kids anything at all you can start a football team like that too just as easily if you got the gift of gab and you're a leader i said for seven years he's interviewed former cult members and passed along information about cults to police departments throughout the state stores have books on how to practice satanic and occult rituals when they're talking about the

satanic bible and all that and uh the the the pastor has something to say about that he said it is it is a counterculture to christianity there are all sorts of rituals presented in the satanic bible you can find the satanic scriptures in some bookstores he said cult members often sniff glue or use lsd to bring on a hallucinogenic state and enhance their rituals uh he says quote they go hand in hand it's part of the high yeah they have no idea what kids do like that's what i feel like no clue they've forgotten what childhood is like they have no idea what's going on because i was a teenager at this time well barely 92 i was barely

a teenager but like still like fuck this isn't what we were doing i was closing in on it real close and i had no idea what i mean i knew what glue sniffing was but i had i was not i would never put together my friend's huff glue and gut cats. Yeah, let's do that. Those two things, that wasn't the next step. No. To we just smoke some weed, let's gut a cat and drink its blood. We didn't have a chalice, first of all.

No. That's one thing. So the Badan says, quote, it's still a religion. It affords them the right to exist under our democracy. Until they actually break a law, they can fall back on on, quote, this is their religion. Evil is their salvation. OK, so, yeah, they said they try to avoid things. The the one guy says most police agencies stay with the convictions they can prove.

Ritualistic opens up avenues for defense attorneys. So they don't like saying that because then you could say you're in an appeal you can say you made it seem like he's a satanist which you know swayed the jury away from facts yeah this is here's emmert again i love emmert let's hear what he has to say most towns don't want this publicity of satanism but they better open their eyes because it's all around them this guy is a fucking ridiculous what a complete asshole um jesus alarm you uh but be scared uh because it's very everywhere it's everywhere uh the one guy here uh the the pastor again he said churches need to be aware of it quote we've got to find more ways in church to be more accepting of everyone there are a whole lot of other groups out there that will step into the breach if we don't fulfill what we're called on to do as Christians.

I guess that's a nice sentiment. Another, Reverend Yvonne Trueblood of the Grace United Methodist Church, they say that sees Satanism from theological and law enforcement perspectives. Quote, I hope it is not as prevalent as those who are fearful of it. Fear it is. Wow, that's a really convoluted way to say that. I believe very much in forces of evil in this world, but I don't personify that as a power that hides in things and tries to grab our children. That's smart. Here comes Emmert again. Quote quote they don't need to be worried

about it but they need to be aware about it it's definitely going on it's very secretive that's why you don't know about it right if you don't know about it because it's so secretive it's probably because it doesn't fucking exist that's the thing about things like that when you believe in crazy conspiracies unless you see it just ignore it because a none of your fucking business and b it's probably not true all that horse shit well whatever any yeah and any sort of yeah any sort of uh bill of goods he's gonna be like oh shit yeah i need that so uh a state police investigator in the auburn murder said quote i'm not trying to downplay satanism but i'd want the truth to come out there satanism is going on going on in the state in the Auburn murder said, quote, I'm not trying to downplay Satanism, but I want the truth to come out there.

Satanism is going on in the state and the county, and it's not something people should ignore. On the other hand, I don't want it to become a big issue when it's not a big issue. So be scared. But I mean, you know, you have to be that scared, but be scared still. So they said that they get a little um they get uh complacent and then quote when something like this happens it jolts you back yeah now that's the regular newspaper which sounds just as crazy as it's exactly the same craziness as the weekly world news because

i have that clip of this also except the weekly world news has an amazing illustration that makes it even funnier. Look at this, Jimmy. That's the. Oh, for Christ's sake. It's a cartoon devil with horns and everything blowing like this terribly drawn fireball out of his mouth. The horns are terrifying. His face. Everything's so sharp. It's so bad.

And they say Satan worshippers slit man's throat and chopped him into pieces. Say cops, not into pieces. The only, only three pieces came off, but still. Um, but I mean,

it's the weekly world news literally right next to that article is now a beautiful bust and only one minute a day. There's a picture of like some broad from the sixties and a fucking bra. And then, uh, G, uh, Satan, Satan forced these guys to kill another guy

do your boobs feel small how's your tits doing and you know what maybe you don't need that because you can also quote discover hidden secrets in your life gain astonishing insight into relationships finance career health resolve personal conflicts understand your dreams how with astrologers and psychics because here's a line for that as well it's got the pyramid with the eye on top of it and everything is there a little thing oh my god that is fucking wild oh the cover the cover of it jimmy this is the cover a bat with a human face it's a picture of a bat with a human's face like Photoshopped on it. Look at its little feet.

And it says, quote, he's as smart as a whip, says stunned scientist. You can't even get it out. That's too funny. Holy shit. So that's pretty goddamn funny. So anyway, they're describing Pennick and Keith Lawrence as the main doers here, even though Goodwin tried to pry his heart out of his chest. They're saying they're the main people, cold blooded killers, all this type of shit. One of the badan says something that would be abhorrent to a normal person doesn't faze them.

That's what makes them dangerous. Then he says something ridiculous. If they had money and means behind them like some big drug dealers they could be horribly dangerous thank god they don't what what would be the advantage of drug dealers quote sponsoring like a satanist team it's not above the rim where they're caught you know they're they're like the wire where they're fucking sponsoring the local ball team to fucking beat the next neighborhood and they're going to get the best. What would you gain by sponsoring Satanists if you're a drug dealer?

If they had a whole bunch of money, they could have a big house and just murder a bunch of people in it. Murder everybody. Give them all the old doors they need to lay people on. Drug dealers are trying to get money. If they only had a Home Depot credit card, they'd clear out that lumber section. I'll tell you what, they'd be building all sorts of structures. Drug dealers are interested in money, sex, cars, things of that nature. Generally not Satan.

Like, fuck away from me with that Satan shit. I'm making money here. Drug dealing is a cynical hobby. It's not a cynical vocation. It's not a whim. Yeah, vocation. It's not a whim. Yeah, a vocation. It's a thing. Murder's bad for business.

They don't want to do it. No, it's not. It gets attention. So now Goodwin, he's remorseful now. He's made a lot of mistakes, and he gives a big interview to tell everybody that he's made a lot of mistakes he's now studying the bible and meeting with a chaplain in jail and trying to pull himself out of the lore of satanism oh boy he said he says quote satanism can be dangerous look at the situation me and the other guys are facing jesus christ look at that he then says quote satanism is like a drug that's addictive and harmful you get high and once you're

over it you've got to inject even more than the first time it's the same thing with satanism is that real i don't think chasing the dragon with satan i don't think you're chasing the satan dragon which would be a great name for this episode by the way chasing the red dragon yeah whoa um david lawrence also he says he just hung out with Keith. Remember? He said, I don't know. Now I'm here. What the fuck?

I'm charged with murder. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not even into this shit. You know, that's it. So David says, quote, if you suspect anyone, anybody is a Satanist, do not have anything to do with them in any way, shape or form. Especially don't go to an abandoned farm.

And when they start taking knives out, not leave and call the police, never got their friend for them. Oh, my God. He said Satanism. Oh, this is a good one. Satanism can lead to a lot of problems, depression, hardships with your family, mental disorders, actions that can be and will be regretted when you get to the end. That's good when he says that.

He said that William Anthony Ault, Tony Ault, quote, he was a Satanist, but he didn't make it. He didn't make it to the club. He got killed. Goodwin says if he ever sees freedom again, he wants to start a program to teach young people to steer clear of Satanism. I thought you were going to say start a podcast. Jesus. He's going to start a podcast to steer young people away from Satanism. I believe Satanism brought me here.

Let's just say, let's say I go to prison. No, you are going to go to prison. You tried to pry a man's still beating heart out of his chest. You're going to prison for that. Let's say i go to prison let's just put it out there just in case just say let's say worst case scenario hypothetically i go to the can right he says uh i believe jesus can free my soul no man can lock that down so he's easily swayed yeah just whatever comes you need something to believe in the way the wind blows

absolutely david lauren said if i didn't stick with my brother, this wouldn't have been into this here. He said, even if somehow I walk from this charge, which isn't going to happen, I'm not going to have anything to do with my brother. Even if he gets released and tries to find me, I'll tell him, you're wasting my time. Get out of my face. So he hates his brother now. Too little too late. Too late, fucker. So he hates his brother now.

Too little. Too little, too late, fucker. Goodwin here did not admit guilt publicly, but apologized to the families of the victims. He said, quote, I regret it because that boy had the right to live. And so did Andrew Wright. Their families put time, love and money into those guys. They're not a 68 Camaro. You didn't restore a fucking old farmhouse. What are talking about they're not a dusenberg they put a lot yeah they put a lot of money into that the whole

engine needed to be redone they put new upholstery in the thing it's a fucking stop making these in 38 that took a lot of time to hunt down the alternator ah for christ's sake uh put a lot of money into those guys and now there's no more of them. So Jimmy Lee is in Ohio also, or Jimmy Lee penis here. Aggravated murder in Ohio. He pleads guilty to aggravated murder now. Later on, he'll do it, and the sentences are going to run together. Judge in Ohio sentences him, you, sir, may fuck off 20 years to life in prison.

20 years to life. This, 20 years to life. This is after the Indiana sentence, though. It's just it's out of order here for me. But now Keith Lawrence decides he wants to plead guilty. He says he's agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit murder. And for that, he faces a maximum 30 years in prison. He originally faced a maximum 30 years in prison. He originally faced a maximum 60 years in prison, but under the agreement, he could be sentenced to a maximum 30 years in prison

followed by a maximum 20 years probation. Yeah. I'll tell you what, James, that's pretty fucked because he's going to do all that time that Satan was giving him a pass for everything he ever wanted to do, all behind bars.

Yeah, he had the whole contract and everything. His contract expires early man jesus i'm sitting in here i got a valid contract and everything i've only made it for 40 man well he'll live like a king in prison just ramen noodles as far as the eye can see so if he gets the maximum he could be released in 15 years yeah for good behavior which make him 35 and in the prime of his killing life. So that's horrifying. Anyway, they said that the condition of the plea agreement, Lawrence will have to testify against Jimmy Lee. That's the difference here. He says, quote, panic was the cutter. He was the one who to cut him down the center.

And he's the one who cut and slit his throat. So Keith Lawrence sentencing comes around. And he's the one who cut and slit his throat. So Keith Lawrence sentencing comes around. You, sir, may fuck off 50 years for conspiracy to commit murder. But he suspends 20 of the years of the prison time. So he's got 20 suspended and orders. So 30 years and orders Lawrence to serve those 20 years that he suspends on probation.

Okay. So he's got 30 years of prison, 20 years of probation. So essentially 15 years of prison and then 20 years of probation is what he's got. So he'll get out when he's 35, he'll be on probation until he's 55, essentially. Yeah. He's going to be in and out of prison. Pretty much, yeah. He's going to fuck that up.

Well, let's find out. Okay. Goodwin and the lesser Lawrence. Let's find out about these two here. David Lawrence said, he said, all I did was help carry the corpse out and then not tell anybody about it. Oh, God. I helped with the door. We all got a corner.

You know what I mean? We helped with the door. What a horrible thing to say. I just helped with the corpse, man. He said, quote, this is in court. Quote, I'd just like to say I'm remorseful for the corpse, man. He said, quote, I just this is in court. Quote, I just like to say I'm remorseful for the death of Tony. I feel his death was an injustice. My sole influence was Keith.

Mark Goodwin or panic were no influence on me. So he's just thrown his own his little brother under the bus as a guy who completely was in control of him. However, Keith Lawrence told authorities that there's no doubt that Penick influenced him. He says, quote, this is Keith Lawrence's defense attorney, quote, Jimmy Penick has influenced

Keith Lawrence and influenced him to his detriment. Well, yeah, he's in murder. So David, now Keith got 30 and 20, David gets total, you, sir,

may fuck off eight years for assisting a criminal. He got a bunch of it was that something with a weapon. It was a bunch of charges that he got eight years for all of them to be run concurrently. So this is the most lenient sentences I've ever heard for a group of men who were talked about by the police like that and the judge. Yeah, they tortured and cut the heart out of him. Almost right to cut the heart out of him. I mean, they cut his head off and his fucking hands off. This is insanity.

This is all some heavy shit. To let these guys out, and I'm not saying to keep them forever, but don't let them out when they've still got a lot of energy left in them. They're 35. That's a whole lot of energy left still. Make sure are sorry feeble convicts that you're really yeah tired tired men who are just gonna go sit somewhere so um april of i need them walking around uh looking at things going i could nap on that all day long that's that looks very comfortable is that are you sitting there? I want things like that.

So Mark Goodwin here, he apologizes in court to the victim's mother. He says, who's Shirley Givens, Tony Ault's mother, during his sentencing hearing, he says, quote, Mrs. Givens,

by the way, he's assisting a criminal battery and helping to conceal the body. That's all he ends up pleading to. He fucking, I said it a hundred times, he took a knife and tried to take the still beating heart out of a man's chest. And that's all he got. I'm sorry, not enough. Mrs. Givens, I never really knew your son. Whatever I know, I do know he was a good-hearted person.

I'm very ashamed of what I did to your son. Where she stood up in court and said, quote. Don't say heart with what you fucking tried to do. Good-hearted person. How dare you? She stood up and said, quote, you damn well should be. What chance does he have now? What am I supposed to feel?

Sorry for you? What? You should have never did it yeah that's what she yelled back at him so good for her yeah she did i i'm surprised she didn't say don't you mention his fucking heart you asshole yeah you fucking asshole so goodwin pleads guilty um there and uh um the sentencing comes around before he sentences him though the judge asked him a bunch of questions this is judge sherry he said what was the extent of your interest in satanism when this murder occurred he said i was more or less on the borderline um i was starting to leave the satanic religion for quite some time

before this i attended churches of various types but some asked me to withdraw from the congregation because they understood i was involved in satanism and they thought I would be a quote evil seed to them. And he said, after this rejection, he turned to Satanism. So they said, the judge said, what role did Satanism play in Tony Alt's debt? Was it a satanic ritual? And he says, quote, I don't believe it was because my past practices, initiations and studies of other cults showed me the procedure was so obscure. It wasn't even funny okay um he

said the judge said did you think it was a sham and goodwin said afterwards yes so the judge pointed to a cross tattoo on goodwin's hand and uh there was an inverted cross and he said is there any connection between that inverted cross tattoo on your hand and the inverted cross carved into the body of william alt good question. You did it stupid. And he said, quote, no, actually it's a right side up cross.

He said of his tattoo. Yeah. It depends on how I have my hand. Fucking jackass. That's come on, man. If I'm looking at it, it's upside down.

Yeah. He, so he said, then he said, well, I have this letter. Um, it's a year old that you wrote from jail when he first got arrested and it was intercepted by jail officers he signed it uh at the end quote hail satan so there's that this is

when he was feeling a bunch of remorse and saying that satanism was bad oh shit i forgot i wrote that shit god damn it hell so fuck i'm just used to writing that like the date and the check you know you just the judge asked him if he still felt that way, and he said, quote, no, I don't. They asked him how he's changed, and he said, quote, Christ. Yeah. How have I changed? Any way that will convince you. Even this Hail Mary of Jesus.

Sure. Less time. So Goodwin turned around to face Shirley Givens and said, what I told you, I'm ashamed what I did to my son. She yelled back at him. Goodwin then said this should not have happened to Tony. He just wanted to be accepted. He just wanted to be a part of some people who would make him feel at home. And so the chief detective here also testified, saying that the police might never have solved the case.

This is a mitigator for him. saying that the police might never have solved the case. This is a mitigator for him. They said, we might never have solved it if Goodwin hadn't come forward voluntarily, confessed, and implicated the other three. So this was all from him. Yeah, but Goodwin didn't really come forward. He told his dad.

His dad snitched him out. His dad snitched him out, and yeah, that's how that works. But they said after that he was very cooperative, and he implicated the other three, didn't have to do that, blah, blah, blah. Because of Goodwin's help in the case, defense attorney Charles Retz asked the judge for a presumptive sentence of four years. Four years he wants to give him. That's stupid. He tried to cut a man's beating heart out. The judge wants to give him that?

No, no. His defense attorney is asking for this. Quote, Mark did everything he reasonably could to be expected to do. Plus a lot more. Yeah. Now, but not during a murder. They said the prosecutor said that his participation in the murder, no matter how minor, required the maximum. But he tried to cut a fucking man's heart out and carved a fucking cross on him while he was still alive.

My that's torture. He fuck. What? No. Sorry. a fucking cross on him while he was still alive mine that's torture he fuck what no sorry uh so the judge said goodwin showing remorse and cooperating were mitigating factors that called for a shorter sentence but they were outweighed by several aggravating factors that called for a longer sentence the aggravators included his juvenile delinquent record, his 1991 Marion County battery conviction, to which he allegedly broke the leg of his 11-month-old stepson. What? Yeah, good guy, right? Fuck this guy.

I hope they fry him. So, wow, this is fucking crazy. He is, let's see, where's the judge here talking to him? Yeah, the judge after this, he tells him all that. He says it all outweighed by all that shit. You, sir, may fuck off. Let's see. What do you think he's got here, Jimmy?

I'm going to give you a guess. I wish the sentence was put into an air fryer, but we can't do that. 30 years in prison. Oh that's not enough no no i'm sorry that's that's keith lawrence i read the wrong fucking thing yeah oh my god jesus christ goodwin sentence do you serve the suspense eight years in prison what eight years no he tried to cut the still beating heart out of a conscious man after breaking the leg of a toddler that's not even his eight i'd give you eight years just for breaking the leg of the toddler i'll be fucking honest with you never mind killing a guy this is insanity shit um wow um the injustice and james in court said he had a good heart the one you tried to pull out

to his mother oh guy's mother so um before he's let out of the jail he's being let out of the jail he says back to everybody quote this is never going to leave me i just wanted to make things right again as best I could. Yeah. Thanks a lot. And then he went back to a cell and was shanked by his cellmate? One would hope, but no. Prisoners here are given one day of credit for each day served with good behavior. So with the time he's already spent in the DeKalb County Jail since his arrest, he'll be eligible for parole in 16 months. Jesus Christ.

Wow. November 1993, Jimmy Lee Penis is the only man left standing here. Yeah. He decides they want the death penalty on the Penis Man. So he decides. The only one erect. The only one erect. The only one left erect, the Penis Man.

So that's great. Good job. So they uh it's funny so they uh they end up making a deal with him that he'll plead guilty in return for them dropping the death penalty request so that's what they're going to do here so they do that he faces 30 to 60 years in prison he admits everything he you He says what he did. Other people, they all bring everybody in to testify him. They go over the fact that he repeated satanic chants, then cut him with a knife and made an eye shape and cut his throat and all that sort of shit. But the aggravating factors here, history of delinquent activity and criminal activity

from childhood all through adult acts. He's in need of correctional or rehabilitative treatment that can best be provided to his commitment to a penal facility. Yeah. For the reason that his other shit hasn't worked. Imposition of a sentence reduced or suspended would depreciate from the seriousness of the crime. He bound the hands and feet of a victim and gagged him all while the victim was alive,

thus rendering him physically defenseless prior to the act of torturing and killing him. The death of the victim at the hands of him was painful and torturous to the victim. He then dismembered the victim. He tried to conceal the victim by throwing it in the field. He then knowingly ate food purchased with the money stolen from the deceased victim. He could probably appeal that because food is a that's a slippery slope with Arby's. I'm not sure you can classify it. He could have said, no, that roast beef is not food.

It's made of plastic. Break here. Didn't really eat food. I spent money, but there's a word it differently. Lose time. Also, the careful planning and luring of the victim and uh this is the second time also that he's murdered someone because a couple months earlier he murdered andrew wright by also stabbing him in the throat so that's the thing that he does the one mitigating circumstance that he found the judge is that jimmy lee was cooperative and appeared to be open and

truthful in the pre-sentence investigation process wow um the judge does say though it's his judge paul cherry here we go quote this is one of the most heinous or most heinous crime that has ever been committed in decalp county you've had a horrible chaotic and abusive life but nothing absolutely nothing justifies what you did you sir may fuck off 60 years in prison holy for jimmy lee penis so he got the shaft he told jimmy he really did sorry no he got what he deserved but i just needed to say that. He is the only guy who got the shot. Deservedly so. Yep. So if the Ohio and Indiana sentences are served consecutively, he will not be eligible for parole until he's 75. That's great.

That's how that works. Yeah. Yeah. The sentence, he said, quote, one of the primary concerns I had at the time I filed the charges of the prosecutor was that he not roam the streets again. I think he's that dangerous. This sentence assures that. Yeah, he killed two people in like a fucking month. He's a bad man. Yeah.

So then they go into there's an article, same paper. Brian Corbin again. Why Satanism? And it's kids aren't fitting in with mainstream. And here's where it has this big article. And I'll show you this, Jimmy. What's's next what's in the frame of this big article the ozzy osbourne diary of a madman album cover which probably just sold so many more records in that area at that time from teenagers it says uh now and mark goodwin now in connection with the murder said he first

became interested in satanism through the symbols in this Ozzy Osbourne album. Oh, man. There's no symbols. Counselors of adolescents say child abuse, emotional problems, and drug abuse lead some into cults where they gain a sense of belonging. A lot of times, police say heavy metal rock music and rebellion and its Satanic references also make satanism seem like the quote cool thing for some of the kids to do look parents pissed off kids are pissed off kids for a reason and yeah the reason is their parents are dicks and if you love your kids and give a shit about them they don't they don't go murder people that's just generally generally not the way

it is for the most part yeah i mean he says this is a counselor at the community high school he says parents today have an awfully difficult job because there's just so many distractions he said um uh yeah many uh more than ever there are opportunities for youngsters to go the wrong way satanism is just one of a number of things parents need to be alert for. I mean, it's Satanism. It's, you know, playing the flute. You never know. They get into stuff.

They said there's some need to belong that isn't being met. These kids aren't fitting in with the mainstream acceptable activities and groups. They're looking for an alternative where they feel like they belong. A lot have been physically or sexually abused in childhood, and this really undermines their self-esteem, he says also. So they said involvement in cults stems all the way back to them being abused themselves. He says they get in a spiritual thing and they don't realize they're opening themselves up to a lot of danger they're not aware of. So this is just another one says common sense tells you if heavy metal album lyrics talk about Satan or offering up babies to Satan, that could be a clue. I don't listen to a lot of Satan baby, but I've never heard.

I don't think I've ever heard a song where it was like got a child for the devil. Yeah. And Jay-Z said, I'm a bitch. I'm a pimp in every sense of the word bitch and i didn't people didn't go out and try to get a fucking you know and try to go get a stable you know what i'm saying like it's it is what it is drew down was pimp of the year i never tried to to win that trophy you know shit he said there there there's a line that you draw in entertainment and you either listen to it and enjoy it or you fucking try to live it. I guess.

I don't know. I suppose I never knew anybody that tried to drink the blood of a cat, though. Neither did I. And I wasn't a lot of Marilyn Manson. Here's words from Greenwood Satanist Daryl Ferrell. Twenty one. He says that half the heavy metal group sound satanic and say Satan and die. He says it's all publicity.

It gets more teenagers to listen. I'm not sure they're promoting Satanism. I'm not sure they're promoting Satanism as selling as many records as they can, which is exactly what we said, which is that's a guy who's in the Satan. He's like, yeah, that's not where we get our recruits. Trust me. We know where we get it. And it's from your your it's from his stepfather diddling. That's where it comes from.

It's not from fucking Ozzy Osbourne's album cover. Love your kids, but not too much is the answer to this. There you go. So Jimmy Lee appeals on all this. He appeals that the mitigating factors and the aggravating factors and all that sort of horse shit and he's just appealing the sentence and they go get the fuck out of here we're lucky we didn't fucking tie you to a god damn

bumper and drag you for the last fucking three miles you dipshit drag you by a Duesenberg fuck out of here yeah go go that would have been that's the center of the festival there they explode him at the end so February 2006 Keith So that's the center of the festival there. They explode him at the end.

So February 2006, Keith Lawrence is released from jail. Oh, boy. And it's part of his deal that he has to spend the first five years of his probation on home detention. But this is 20-year probation he has. But he gained early release from prison with a substantial amount of good time credit because he earned two college degrees okay the first five years of the probation were to be electronically monitored home detention but in a court hearing they uh they ruled that he does not have to be at home he can go out okay he can go out into the world they said that lawrence has quote gone the extra mile in turning his life around. He presented with the judge copies of general education and college diplomas.

He learned earned his bachelor's degree in art and general studies. They also said that his sentence was well crafted. It made sense to provide the transition and probation. It was an aggravated sentence for a really grisly murder. The prosecutor says it says that Lawrence needs the time on probation. He's not someone to be let loose on society completely. And I agree. He's only thirty five to and they said that, you know, all this type of shit. So he said that the judge says, fine, go on out there and do your thing. So that is February 2006, May 2007.

He's back and back in jail. Yeah. A year and two months. Yeah. A year and two months. He reportedly pled guilty to public intoxication in November of 2006. Okay. And that charge, he was sentenced to 180 days in jail.

Two other felony charges of criminal confinement and battery were dismissed because they were up there so yeah he's now being held without bond for this and being scheduled for a hearing and they said this is the uh chief probation officer it's rare for someone to be denied bond for a violation like public intoxication he said uh um but lawrence's original crime aiding and murder is one of the most serious crimes there is so it's considered an extremely serious violation. Now, Mark Goodwin, he's out of prison, too. He's living in Indiana right now doing something. Who knows there?

Jimmy Lee Penick currently resides at the Warren Correctional Institution. So he's doing a little less well. Still getting the shaft. Still getting the shaft still getting the shaft he uh i guess he was first parole that he was up for was in may of 2017 but it was just continued so i think they probably put another five years on him before they're giving him another three or some shit like that so he's in there for a while let's just put it that way uh there's that and william anthony alt finally buried in a proper way at the Rochester IOOF Cemetery in Fulton County, Indiana. So there's that.

And the Lesser Lawrence has been out for years. Oh, years and years. Yeah, he barely he got out in 94. Like he did like a year, maybe. So that said, that, everyone, is Auburn, Indiana. That said, that, everyone, is Auburn, Indiana, and quite a tale of the Lawrence boys, Keith, the lesser Lawrence, Mark Goodwin, Jimmy Lee Penis, poor Andrew Wright, and poor Tony Alt. What a mess there, I'll tell you.

Jesus Christ. If he was around more, this wouldn't have happened. There you go. Come on, guys. Get it together. Wow. That's crazy shit. Get it together. Wow. That's crazy shit. Am I wrong here or what?

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this week guys oh everybody the episodes we just released on the first, the backstage wrestler fights. We got to hear about a guy putting lighter fluid in someone's inhaler. And then there was gunplay in the locker room. Crazy fights. This isn't just like, oh, these two guys got in a fist fight in the locker room. People are stabbing each other. It's insanity. Not only that, but then the small town murder we did.

Maybe one of our best episodes of anything ever the old-timey murders from the newspaper where you can find out how you can kick them how you can turn a man's head to jelly number one and what was the other thing that was very curious a man is his own grandfather and a man is his own grandfather you can find out how that comes to be and what he does because of that the crazy shit that he does there it's so much fun yeah patreon.com slash crime and sports and if you're a patron you get uh it's five dollars and above you get access to all of the episodes for both shows anything we put out you're gonna get it and you're also gonna be a producer so we're gonna love you number one and number two we're gonna say your name at the end of the show jimmy's gonna

try his hardest to pronounce it right. And he's going to fuck it up horribly. So that's going to be a lot of fun as well. That's the deal. That's the deal. And so that's patreon.com slash crime in sports. Or if you just want to be a good person with great karma and you also want to be a producer and get your damn shout out, have your name butchered. You can do that as well very easily by going to PayPal

using our email address, crimeinsportsatgmail.com. That said, it's been a wild-ass episode. Lots of Satan, lots of penis, lots of dead cats. That said, after all that, I need a cleansing, Jimmy. I need a cleansing. Cleanse me with the list of the most fantastic people who would never murder my cat and drain their blood into a chalice. Hit me with them, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Jordan Bennett.

Dr. Terea wants us to know that doctors do listen. Neelu Raphson-Johnny started a new business, James. And in a pandemic, she's taking a risk. That's amazing. Good for her. She's badass, man. She really is. She can do all kinds of a risk. That's amazing. Good for her. She's badass, man. We like her. She really is. She can do fucking all kinds of amazing things.

It's impressive. Good luck, Nilou. Absolutely. Other executives this week are Frank Zecca, Brenda Wilson. She donated in the memory of Matt Black. Do you remember the family from Denver? Yes. Yeah.

I'm exactly here talking about that. that yes yeah exactly matt had uh matt yeah matt matt took uh took his own life and uh his whole family obviously was suffering and you guys unbelievably took care of them and uh brenda wanted us to know and wanted you guys know they were very appreciative and also uh if you're struggling fucking talk to somebody anybody however it's yeah it's awful anybody's better than nobody. Yeah, man. It's brutal. Talk to a cat, even.

Something. Just try to get it out. Honest. Honest to God. Whatever's around. Work hard at it. Jesus. It's brutal. Anyway, other producers this week, executives, are Melanie Blevins, slow-tugging Brent Jorgensen,

Keisha Brulette, Brululay and also Olivia Picote Valdevisio I think I got that right I don't know I'm not good at this other producers this week are Mona Flores who had a birthday I believe Julie Slamma had a birthday and her Slamma Lamma Ding Dong told me

also Doug Shark Dangle Riddell is going to take his wife to the San Diego show if he knows what's good for him. Take my wife, please, to the San Diego show. Shark Dangle. Also, Meg, Megalig, Mega, Mega. Oh, boy. Her name is Meg.

Megaligalovich. I think I got that right. Wow. Nice. No. But she's concerned because Rabbi Shmulalovich has not donated in a minute, and she wants to make sure that the rabbi is okay. We hope he's still on board.

Also, Ashley Vio, Judge Smalls, Carl Kirshner, Alex C. Piella. They had a birthday, and Kayla told me so. So, Alex, happy birthday. Happy birthday. And go Bills. That's their favorite team. They live in upstate. I think so.

No choice then. Go Bills. Also, Peyton Meadows, Aaron Olin, Liz Vasquez, happy birthday. Liz, we've been around since the beginning, obviously. James Marder, Thomas DeMello, Jalen Tross' cousin Luke is going in the Air Force. Fucking be careful,

please. Jennifer Stevens. Stay safe. It's awful. I don't know how you could do that. You don't want anybody getting hurt. I mean, hey, that's what I mean. Hats off to you. Stay safe.

Serious. Thomas Smith, Joe Bascom. He has a new son. Welcome to the jungle, Theo. This world is a nightmare. Congrats. Christopher Palco. Yes.

Campanielo? Campanielo yellow campan yellow no campan yellow all right that's it steve smith john daniel laura w got gerald uh rubeck into this so thank you laura uh janice hill rob roberts bob bobs uh alex alexi alexi nap dr jeff saverino and olivia de rienzo they they one of them graduated or both of them they got a dog they got married and they got a mortgage the achievements are blowing my fucking mind that's a lot of good for you congrats a lot of lauren beniche It really is. Wow. Lauren Beniche, Fatima Apollon, Kyler Scovbo. He says there's a silent letter, and for the life of me, I can't figure out which one that is. Alyssa Linnell, Trixie Hellcat, George Reese, and Allie Wade Jesus. George lives in Boston, and a fucking Jesus, some dude that looked just like Jesus, some homeless guy, wandered out of an alley and just started spouting unbelievable advice

to him and then disappeared. And I think George is using all the advice now. Good for him. That's either crazy or amazing. I was going to say, he's either going to end up in a very great place or spouting unsolicited advice from an alley. One of the two. Brenda Wilson, Damon Stevens, Jennifer Stevens, Melody McKenney, Sharon Barea, Shannon Barea.

God damn it. Yamin Theriot. You mean Theriot? I don't. I'm uncultured. I don't know. Shelly Payton, Meg Kendall, June Sisko, Bob Mesmer, Skylar Bevan, Grumpy Parasite, Mitchell Griffin, Nicole Moore, Cole Blecha, Nancy Word Weaver, Natalie Leah, Meredith Barone, Rebecca Wilson. I said that, I think.

Matt Miller, STM, and Piat Crossover. What's P-I-A-T? I don't know that podcast. P-I-A-T? A-T. I don't know. H-T or A-T? A.

Like Apple. Asshole. I don't know. P-I-A-T? A-T. I don't know. H-T or A-T? A. Like Apple. Asshole. I don't know. P-I-A-T? Mitzi Callahan, Brandi Wilson, Tabitha John. What is it? I don't know. They keep asking for P.S. I Hate This Movie, but that's not the shorthand for it.

That ain't it. It's close to it, so I don't know what they're talking about. Tabitha John, Adrienne Brissett, Patty Bowman, Kareem Chavez, Kristen Krabistig, Jonathan Carter, Thomas Dragon, nope, that's Dargan. Dragon's a cooler name.

You're Thomas Dragon now. Go by Dragon forever. Go by that. Chance Patterson, Chris Sather, Sarah Burke, Heather McCoy, Aaron Junge, Christina Brightlow, Billy Pike, Dixon Myhands. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure. You proud of yourself? I did it. I'm sure it is. Mary Claire, Dustin Smith, Heather Dujakovich. Nope. Dujakovich. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Billy, CJ Dickmeyer, Leanne, Leanne Trombley, Justin McCarthy, Chuck, Chuck, Billy, CJ Dickmeyer, Leanne, Leanne Trombley, Justin McCarthy, Charles Brown, Marcy Ann Ulysses Ramirez, Shannon Kincaid, Cindy Maddox, Travis Duncan, Michelle Dusick, Matthew, nope, that's William.

Muir, what, how didramm, Brad Bryan, Ben Faddy, Alexander SC, Mariela Douglas, Matthew Tortolini, Robin with no last name, Jeff Petronella. That sounds like a candle. Kyle Regan, Emma Triangolo, Letty with no last name, Sandra Aldridge, 15, E. Monacu. Somebody just mashed on the keyboard and was fine with it. Just put it all in. Caitlin Feniza. Justin Monson. Jesse Hollenbeck.

Carolyn Emerson. Chris Harnett. Matt Conway, two. Hit him, quit him. Oh, boy. Don't do that. Connor McGough. McGuff.

McGough. Yvonne Holden. Fiona Kay, Jeffrey Antonik, Ashley Webb, Jill with no last name, Lily McGalvary, Galvray, Galvray, Trevor Cozart, Pat Crossan, Fallon Grice, Matthew Chaney, Daria, Daria, Daria, Kurt, Brian Fields, Connor with no last name, Tracy with no last name, Mekok, Mokik, Mycock, I don't know what that is, Mekik, Bobby Graves, Mason Rowe, Tempest, Sean Harrigan, yep, City Bowring, Andrew Pettigrew, Matthew, nope, that's Maggie. Why do I keep saying Matthew?

Maggie Regalia, Kelly Petrie of the Petrie of the Dish Fortune. Oh, wow. Melissa Weller, Blessings, and also Emily Gold. Nick with no last name. Allie McLaughlin, Maciek S., Suzanne Burns. Whoa, boy. Siri Alto, Marshall Arduin, David Newell, Christopher Dry, Mark Rainwater, Billy Bradfute, Quwater uh billy bradfute quabian barber barbra quabian that's a badass name scott litman lindsey gofina uh samantha fuller

courtney wesley andrew wardrop rm ashley viatree uh sarah nelson jesse bennett chris knight samantha london chris knight what Knights. Two different ones. To both of you or one of you twice. Yeah, it's probably true. Either or. Probably right. Sophia Silva. Chase with no last name. Kevin Campbell.

Colin Forrester-Hore. Hoar? Oh, boy. Susan Churchill. Cori. Cori in the forest. What happened? Cori Zarens.

Veronica Mathis. Madison McGrawcgraw alan spurling priscilla diaz lacey marino sarah melvin uh cornucopia cornucopia oh boy uh klondike music company ainsley guerton shaley shane harlow uh joanna dennison jeremy jeremiah jameson Joanna Denison, Jeremiah Jameson, Jess with no last name, Jason McQueen, June Bailey, Don S., Zach Alferman, Patty, oh boy, Milardo, Griffin Talbot, Brad Davis, John Dyer, Annika Scoville, Michael Subject, is that right? That can't be right. I didn't mean Subject. I didn't write a subject. Allison Bierman, Christina Baras, Jordan Beach, Nicholas with no last name, Randy Yor, Xander Motz, Sandra Yost, Aiden Bianc, Blanco, Nick of Time Designs, D. No Mayor, Denomiar. Denomiar.

That's not right either. Tanner Wagaman. I have it in front of me. Kyle Childress. William Moore. Megan, we don't know the last name. Terrence McCarthy. Sherry Purcell. Eric Curtis.

Cooley. What? Kylie? Maynard Standard. I couldn't. No way. Oh, it is Kylie. The Y and the U are right next to each other.

Tess Hupp. Nick Nurenberg. E.W. Calivari. Amelia Wilson. Matt Hutchinson. Telly Hickey. Elizabeth Greenup, Kayla Moore, Amanda Rubello, Amanda Hawley, Isabella Quintana, Ryan Millershacky, Christy Burrows, and also Heather Yarbrough. You guys are terrific. Thank you so, so much.

Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you, thank you, thank you for everything that you do for us uh we really really hope that you love the bonus stuff because we put out the stuff where we're like what would we want to hear that's just funny and just wild and uh you know doesn't fit into the yeah different you're not going to find it everywhere else and it's also doesn't fit into our normal shows and what's going to be hilarious that's what we're looking for we just want you to we just want you the entire patreon show to be we want you to be in pain when you're done with a patreon show because it was so goddamn funny so thank you for everything you do and i i don't

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I should be psyched. Yeah. And we can't thank you guys enough for supporting this. This show, everything we do, it's amazing the support we get. And truly... Absolutely.

Bottom of my heart stuff thank you you've given me the opportunity to be the best father i can and i really really appreciate it yeah thank you what if they wanted to say something to you jimmy you can find me on the internet uh at wisman sucks on uh twitter and instagram my daughter made me start a tiktok but i've done nothing on it uh i did it just just to appease. And now I'm hoping she forgets about it. Well, she's going to send you videos. That's why. So it's good just to have so you can watch the shit she sends you.

So there you go. Where can they find you, James? I'm at Jimmy P is funny. And, you know, you can find us. I don't know. Goddamn Google us if you want to find. You know how to find people. We're all adults here, sort of, I guess.

So find us. We're all adults, even though we said jimmy lee penis 37 times this episode it's fine so and i still laugh what are you gonna do yeah so uh that said holy shit i think it's time to call it a week and get excited for next week because we will be back and back and we'll keep coming back and until next week, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.