Small Town Murder - #236 - Lust, Blood & Trash - Bristol, Florida

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

This week, in Bristol, Florida, when a woman's bound body is found, with a concrete block tied to her ankle, in a secluded creek, in a half sunken rowboat, investigators had no idea what kind of a mess they were about to attempt to untangle. An array of grievances left a man to wanting to kill a particular woman. And that woman, wanting to kill that man. And another woman, also wanting to kill that woman, and maybe that man, too. And any these people may not have even done the deed. It's a truly crazy tale of love, hate, murder, and fishing bait!! Along the way, we find out that Florida people treat gators like, at most, a minor problem, that some young women are apparently attracted to nightcrawlers, and that the more people you ask to commit a murder for you, the more people that will tell on you!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  New episodes every Thursday!  Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail]  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!  Follow us on...  twitter.com/@murdersmall  facebook.com/smalltownpod  instagram.com/smalltownmurder  Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So it'd be weird if there wasn't murder. But yeah, we're not reveling in the murder. That's the thing. We're not like, oh, my God. Then he cut her head off. Oh, it's hilarious. Let's make jokes about it. That's not what the show is.

It really isn't. Separated at the knees, James. There is plenty around a murder to make fun of besides a human being eviscerated. That's not the funny part. The funny part is someone going, I think we can do it. I think if we kill him. Now, hear me out. That's hilarious to me.

Like, that's a crazy thought, and it's funny, and that's kind of what we concentrate on. Enough of them, and they're gone. That's nuts. What we do is we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family. Why? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags.

That's how it works. So if that sounds good to you, I think you're going to have a good time and enjoy it. If not, I don't know. Don't blame us later. We warned you. What the hell do you want from me? Yeah. That said, I think it's time for everybody to sit back, clear the lungs, and shout,

Shut up and give me murder indeed let's do this let's go on a trip jimmy shall we get this rig rolling let's go we were in iowa last week in the middle of the country and now we are going to head down to florida which holds a kind of a special place in america get some sunspots yeah we did a bonus episode as you know a few weeks ago about just crazy crimes that happened in florida and it was just shocking we were just like what is happening down there is the water bad what's going on like what is what's the deal man so i've met very few people from florida with clear complexions man so i've met very few people from florida with clear complexions well it's very sticky down there yeah that's why it's just the humidity not just uh red spots but there's also just everybody's got

sun spots fucking everywhere yeah it's the sunshine state i think isn't it too much i mean they're just it's they're out in the sun a lot and so i don't know you're talking about people born in florida yeah yes like the natives yeah yeah people that are there a long time yeah people who know how to take down a gator if you had to those yeah that kind of person i was there for two weeks and i've got sun spots yeah you're not well yeah you did go sit on a boat like an idiot all day so that's why so So we're going to go to Bristol, Florida, which is Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Western Florida, right smack in the heart of the panhandle, baby. This is it. Buckle up, because I'm telling you, this is exactly when we say panhandle and panhandle this.

This is where it comes from. And this is the heart of it right here. I mean, we have hit the we've hit the Tootsie Roll Center of a Tootsie Pop on episode 236 right now. Trust me here. It's about 50 minutes to Tallahassee and about. Now, if you're thinking Florida, if you're not from the United States or if you're just not great with geography, you're thinking, oh, Florida's where Disney World is. No, not here. This is not where Disney World is. This is four and a half hours to Orlando.

Holy shit. Mickey Mouse would not want anything to do with this place. May as well be Alabama. Yeah, and about five and a half hours to Fruitville, Florida, which is episode 196 back in November of 2020. That was a man named Hillbilly, if you remember that. There was actually a man named hillbilly if you remember that there was actually a man named hillbilly in the episode so it's what everyone called him including his wife this is in liberty county area code 850 it's a small town about 1.6 square miles it's kind of there's a lake nearby and that's kind of what's, this is centered around and it's not a big place at all.

A motto here. This is nice. It's upbeat. I think they're trying to get people, you know, because it's rural. So you think of it as kind of slow paced and they're like, no,

you come here and party quote, come shake your panhandle. So I don't know. Maybe that's, that could be something. That would be a man. No, of course it's not.

I wish that was real. If that was real real then i'd have one that's even worse that i made up so you know that's how you would know it's fucking perfect so um yeah this is uh it's located in like i said the panhandle of florida uh bristol is the county seat of Liberty County. And that's how bleak, kind of just unpopulated this county is. Now, at the time when this kind of first came around, Bristol had a store, three saw mills, two grist mills, a hotel, and a shitload of churches. Yeah. That's how they started out here. The town itself actually wasn't established officially until 1958. But there's been people here forever going all the way back to the Appalachian Indians.

And, yeah, they found they have there still you can still find like they call them old Indian mounds. They call them old Indian mounds. I don't know. And pieces of pottery there that they say can still you can still find artifacts from the first people that were living here. They were excavated six of these mounds and they estimated they dated back to the 12 early twelve hundreds. Wow. It's pretty, pretty far back there. It is part of a British trader maintained trading posts on this river. It is the Apple.

What the fuck? Apple. Appalachia Cola River. OK. Appalachia Cola. Yeah. Which sounds like West Virginia's brand of soda that they found. It sounds like a water fountain in the Appalachias.

What that is. It's like something Mamie White would endorse. Yeah. Appalachia cola is the best. I don't give a fuck. When I drink Appalachia cola, I go crazy and sniff pills off of the back of toilet bowls. I don't give a shit. I'll cut your face, damn it.

Appalachia cola. It's sure made by Pepsi. Smiles with three teeth. Okay, perfect. It's a mixing cola. It's a mixing cola. You're going to like it. Appal mix and cola. It's a mix and cola. You're going to like it. Apple Lachicola.

Wow. When Florida became a territory, pioneers from Georgia and the Carolinas settled here because there was good farmland. During the Civil War, the swamps that were in this area made a great haven for deserters. So this place became like a magnet for deserters so that's kind of gators that's how a lot of it started no one's looking for you in the swamps so that's how a lot of this a lot of the swamp people that are you go oh man these people they were just they were like civil war deserters that were hiding in swamps that's how a lot of florida's swamp population started so there that tells you something there um so um uh they also there's a guy here named lv calloway

who was like a baptist preacher and kind of a local nutbag basically for lack of a better term he made the claim and claimed for his entire life now his whole life yeah that the that the site of bristol here in northern liberty county is the actual biblical garden of eden oh dear god right here this is a stupidity this is the one it's in here i mean not over there where all that stuff is and all the artifacts and all the just proof of civilization of that time none of that stuff flood fucking panhandle of florida that's where here where the the earliest civilization we got is is the 12th fucking century like how the what kind of idiot yeah 13. 13th, yeah. Still, that's fucking unreal. What a dummy.

The area of what he called Calloway's Garden of Eden, and then he tried to make, obviously, a buck off of that, too. So, I mean, there was something in this for him. He didn't just go, it's the Garden of Eden, and then went somewhere else. He was like, it's the Garden of Eden. Five dollars, please. Right. Like, it's a... A nickel to see the garden.

Yeah. please right like it's a see the guard yeah um it became a tourist attraction in the 1950s through the 1970s people who come i don't know if they came to laugh at the guy or what but i sure would they showed up they visited it for the chance to see quote the birthplace of adam you want to see where man started hold on it's behind my chicken coop wait a minute there it was right there uh-huh zapped him on into less swamp here and i'll show you yeah you need these waiters to have a gander at the birthplace watch the gators all right adam was see people don't know this but adam was eaten by a gator. They didn't put that in the Bible, but that's the truth. It's the Garden of Eden where gators will eat you.

It wasn't a snake. It's where Adam was eaten. That's what it is. It wasn't a snake. It was a gator. That was the thing. Right. They say snake because it's more like universal. There's snakes everywhere.

There ain't gators everywhere, but you know it's a gator. We all know it. Here, hold on. You want an Apalachicola? I'll get you one. Help yourself. Have a smooth Apalachicola? I'll get you one. Help yourself. Have a smooth Apalachicola here in the Garden of Eden. His evidence was that it was the Apalachicola River with its four heads and local sources, which he claimed, by the way, was gopher wood, which is the material said to be used by Noah in constructing the ark.

So not only is this the Garden of Eden, but this is where Noah harvested the wood to build his ark here as well. Dear God. So there's a lot going on in the panhandle of Florida, everybody. Jesus Christ. I have some reviews of the town. I can only find a couple because it's a small place, and they're positive. People seem to like it, I guess, if this is what you're into. I found five stars. Quote, Bristol is a small town with one caution light, one stoplight. That's one that constantly blinks yellow.

No red or green. No red or green option. Just tells you common sense, common sense. Look for cars as you drive. Another road goes through here. Yeah, take a peek. And one stoplight and very little restaurants. Everyone is super friendly and welcoming. You will never meet a stranger in Bristol. Well, anybody you meet is technically a stranger. It's a stranger.

You never talk to people maybe in Bristol who aren't strangers. But if you meet someone, they have to be a stranger so it's a stranger you can't you never talk to people maybe in bristol aren't strangers but if you meet someone that's you they have to be a stranger technically to meet them otherwise you know them already english works not to be a jerk but that's just one of those things where you're like how do you not write that and go that doesn't make sense not to nitpick your review dummy yeah i'm gonna nitpick your review i'm gonna nitpick it a little bit four stars i grow i grow up here and love the place oh boy in the process of growing up now or if they've grown at least they didn't say they growed up here that's that's true that's true i do feel i mean that's just the difference between an e and an o sure they're on opposite sides of the keyboard but i'm not here

to judge anybody takes a different hand to type that letter, but whatever. It's all right. I do feel more opportunities need to be made for people to find jobs and maybe a few attractions to attract the younger crowd and keep them occupied. Yeah, that's called a bigger town with more shit in it. That's what you're looking for. I want more opportunities, more jobs and attractions, you know, things where like can attract population, maybe build some more houses, things like that. You want to be somewhere bigger is what you just explained.

You want to be somewhere else. Yeah, which is fine. It's fine to be in a small place if that's where you like. But if that person doesn't like it, what are you giving it five stars for or four stars? What are you doing? I oftentimes wonder, you know, why didn't we just settle somewhere else, this big-ass fucking city? Yeah. Because the weather here is miserable.

Why didn't we just settle somewhere else this big-ass fucking city? Yeah. Because the weather here is miserable. Why didn't we just do this somewhere else? I don't know why we're sitting here sweating in the desert. You think out of whoever settled originally, like decided to build houses and shit there, they'd go, wait a minute, there was one person going, what are you, out of your fucking mind? Was there no me on that trip? There were several of you, but you guys didn't have the power is the problem. Some dumb, stubborn ass was like, nope, we're doing it here. Look at the mountains.

It's beautiful. It's all right. I don't want to hear it. Everything's poisonous. Don't fucking be negative. God damn it. We're looking for positive. We got five C's.

It's like Billy McFarlane Fire Festival. I'm only looking for positive input, you know? And I'm not looking for this negativity. I just need yes men. That's it. I need yes men. That's basically what it was, a giant fire. I need somebody to blow people for water.

Phoenix is a fire festival that no one ever got off the island. That's what it is, basically. And they've just stayed there. Literally on fire festival. They've just stayed there and armed themselves. That's it. So, including Jimmy. So, not knocking it.

See, we make fun of where we are, too. See, and don't get offended, Florida. Phoenix gets it way harder. That's what it is. It's as if Ludacris was here with an AK. That's it. Well, everything is Ludacicrous but he's not there so um i mean everything it's too hot you shouldn't be there was a job rule it was job rule right

who what was a job rule ludicrous with fire festival that was job rule job rule yeah yeah it was job rule out there oh shit it ain't going to happen? Uh-oh. Population of this town, damned souls, 952 people here. So very small. We're talking under 1,000. All the stats kind of get a little slanted this way or that way. There's 55% male, so way more males than females here, which I don't understand at all. Because the median age is only about a year older than normal. It's about 38 and a half so it's not like it's all like 22 year old guys wrestling

gators or something like it's it's adults um there's a ton of kids here too a lot of you know minors and then like three times the normal amount of 75 to 84 year old people wow just shit loads of old people sitting around married populations way under the national average which is strange for a tiny town like this that's never happens it's only 35 percent here married yes single with no children 12 which is above the national average which unexpected here i gotta say uh single with children 27 so people are single uh race of this town it's about 77 white uh six percent black about half the national average 3.3 asian it's about five percent nationally and uh 12 hispanic which is uh so it's actually way more diverse than you'd imagine if i

just said uh 950 people in a panhandle of Florida town. You'd go, well, that's going to be all white people or all black people probably, you know, one or the other. And it's not. It's fucking it's a it's a mix, actually. So we have 43.3 percent of the people are religious here, which is lower than normal. Right. The old people, I'm telling you they're just like they either figure it out later either that or they forget yeah one day they forget to

go to church i'm like i used to do something on sundays i don't know whatever i'm just gonna worship the devil i used to be so scared why was i well i'm gonna go to the orgy after bingo i guess is that what happens maybe yeah so uh 43 religious like i said about 20 baptist as you know baptists are as we know the catholics of the south obviously uh 0.0 catholic here oh which is that seems on purpose uh 0.0 lutheran a couple of Pentecostals, a Methodist here or there, 11% Mormon. Really? Yeah. I don't know what happened, but somehow somebody got loose in a neighborhood and started knocking on doors because that's a lot more than normal for a little town in Florida. Well done, Mormons.

That mission worked. But in Florida, 0.0% Jewish. Really? for a little town in florida well done mormon so that that mission worked and but in florida 0.0 percent jewish which is really there you go yeah this is a weird town in florida man so it's the opposite coast that's why uh very conservative here last election 19 and a half percent of the people voted democrat and 70 or 79.8 percent voted Republican here, less than 1% Independent. So it's pretty one-sided there. Unemployment rate is slightly lower than the national average here. Household income, though, is also much lower than the national average.

Normally, it's about $57,500. Household income here, $36,3544 which is a lot about 54 of people here make 40 000 or less a year so it's uh it's a it's tough yeah uh well gator wrangling is the number one job so i don't know what you're gonna make of that you know apparently that's a tough one really it's a tough way to make a living really is and and the like a gator wrestling job by the way yeah but gator wrestling job really it's not the what we want to see is that gator eat your dumb ass and if i want to see that i can watch that on youtube all day that happens all the time all the time but if i go somewhere it's probably not going to happen when i'm there no i'd rather just stay home they

really know what they're doing, those guys. Yeah. On YouTube, they're like, film this. I'm going to take that gator down. They're half drunk and shit. Smacking them with a stick and sticking their face in it. Come on. Come on now.

Cost of living here, 100 is average, regular. Here it's about 80, almost 84. So not that inexpensive. The only thing that is inexpensive is the housing, which is a 50 out of 100. Median home cost $115,100. So pretty low. 55% of the houses are worth under $100,000. Holy shit.

What do those look like? Sinking into the swamp or what? Yeah. And, well, if you want to find out, we have for you the Bristol, Florida Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $694 a month. Cheap. It's pretty cheap here. Now, I found, I'm going to give you a few options jimmy i

found a a one acre lot it's just a lot um plenty of trees on it and i don't know how mushy the ground is or whatever if it's got gators or whatever but things that will eat you in the trees and bugs and the animals too in addition to the people that will probably eat you that live in the trees uh this house it's's only $14,000, though. One plot, a whole acre. Yeah, I mean, but it's an acre of, I don't know what you're going to do with it, honestly. It's a quarter million dollars in Phoenix. Oh, well, yeah, yeah.

Well, it's also cleared. This is going to be, you really got to put some work in. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 720-square-foot house. I don't know how you fit three bedrooms in 720 square feet. Did you say three bedrooms, two baths? Two baths in 720. That's all it is, is bedrooms and bathrooms. You walk in and it's bedrooms to the right and left and bathrooms. It's not great.

It's on a half an acre of land. It's a little pricey, honestly, for this $139,000. Holy shit. Then I found a three bedroom, twoath, 1,676 square feet. So three bedrooms fit in it. It's decent. It looks freshly painted. Looks like it's been kept up.

$199,000, which still seems high for the area. It does. It does. Now, things to do here, I found a couple of things. to do here i found a couple of things first of all i found a uh they have this like pioneer settlement place there nearby and you can do pioneer classes at the settlement so you can fasten your bonnet yeah come and experience a day from long ago by turning back the clock in living history demonstrations and classes. You can take a blacksmithing class. What?

Yeah. Wow. That's wild. Learn the art of shaping heated iron and steel. Great. We did that in metal shop in school there. You know, don't you know how to do that? I mean.

I've seen Robin Hood. Water bath canning. So you want to learn to can things? You can can your bath water? Jelly and jam making, and then, of course, syrup making as well. So you can check out that. Or just catch gators. You can just catch gators.

There's a guy named Corey Capps here. He teaches you? No, no, no. This is a guy who catches gators. no no this is a guy who catches gators he said that he he had seen this gator for years around his house here yeah and he says it was in an area of the apolochicola river where his family and friends like to fish and play and uh he said the gator kept getting too close he said quote there's enough people back there that something needed to be done with him he said quote he ain't scared of people no more oh great so he killed it and it was a uh 13 foot alligator weighing 1008 pounds oh my god yeah it was a giant fucking alligator here and so uh and

his wife said that he couldn't keep it basically no he wanted well he, he kept the head for himself, and he wanted to mount it. And his wife said, you're not putting a giant fucking alligator head in my... Attagirl. Yeah. So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, of course, is about, let's see, property crime. It's about 50% above the national average. So it's a little high here for a 950. You know everybody.

Remember, you never meet a stranger in Bristol. So someone you know is stealing from you all the time. That's fucking really shitty. That's terrible. Steve, stop stealing my shit. God, I know it's you. I fucking, I've met you before. There's no strangers in Bristol, Steve.

Just yelling at people. Yeah. Just running away. Now, violent crime, murder, rape, rape robbery and of course assault here the mount rushmore of crime oh yeah also high it's about really about 20 high so what is happening i don't know what's going on in this town i really don't know what's going on in this area i don't know if it's the the easily easily uh accessible areas to dump bodies or we did nothing the gators will eat them i don't know what the fuck is happening in this town that said let's talk about a murder shall we oh shall we let's get into this now um to do this

i think let's go back in time a little bit here you know we've done some real recent ones we're going back to the 70s hell yeah the swinging 70s baby here 1976 oh the bicentennial james oh yeah june 27th 76 right before the big the fourth of july bicentennial in this country we weren't alive either of us but from the footage i've seen and from like if you look at any movie that takes place in 76 like everything is covered in stars and flags and bicentennial and everything is it was like a huge deal i remember my mom told me about it and then i did the math and i was like i missed it by five years the next one is when i'm 90 fucking five i'm like i'm not even gonna we're not gonna make that how dare you tell me of this unbelievable celebration that I'll never see. We were born right in a bad cusp for that kind of shit.

We're going to never see that. We're going to be right in the middle of two centuries. It's not good. Not great at all. So we're going to go to, like I said, June 27, 76. So a week before the bicentennial. I mean, this is exciting. Let's all get our goddamn fireworks ready for this shit.

This fence is crazy. Okay. Now, there's a man named Aubrey Lawhorn here. Okay. Aubrey Lawhorn is a fisherman. Okay. And he's fishing in a creek at Siffret Creek. S-Y-F-R-E-T-T creek is where he's fishing okay uh on june 27th and um

you know it's a it's a creek so he's looking around and he's watching for gators and he's you know fucking making sure nothing eats him it's florida things are gonna eat you he does discover something that um he didn't want to, but it's not a danger to him, but definitely something that he didn't want to find. He finds what can best be described as a very badly mauled body of what appears to be a woman, sort of, I guess. Hard to tell because this particular body is floating in a half sunken boat here. And this is a sop choppy, which is it's down there. It's a it's down south some here of Bristol on the Siffrit Creek. So that's what he finds here.

The her feet are bound and tied, which is, you know, this isn't a suicide obviously. And they're tied to a concrete block in the boat, in the boat, but dangling over the side of the boat, her feet and the concrete block are dangling over the side of the boat here. Um, so this is, uh, they said basically she was beaten beyond recognition. This is, they said, basically, she was beaten beyond recognition. And on top of that, animals have, she's in a fucking creek in Florida for two days in the summertime. Half sunk. Yeah, everything is, there's a lot of active shit, whether it be gators, birds.

I mean, it's active down there. You're going to get eaten apart. It's like the desert. If you put something in the desert, like the desert food is scarce right so you put something in the desert it you go back an hour later it's just not there you're like how the what the fuck happened you don't have any idea that apart and carried it off it's so crazy and it's not that not bodies but i mean anything you could put a piece of you know roast beef there you turn around and it's fucking gone you're like how is that just a business beef there, you turn around and it's fucking gone. You're like, how is that? There isn't even a remnant.

This is gone. So I would assume Florida's probably similar. I feed rabbits, James, in my yard and I will put apples and carrots and lettuce outside. Not a shred of it to be seen. Nothing. It's unbelievable how fast they get them and turn it into nothing.

It's a how fast they get them and turn it into nothing. It's a goddamn desert. So we have a woman bound, tied, concrete block, in a half-sunken boat, feet dangling off the side in a creek. And all he wanted was some striper today. This guy literally was like, Jesus Christ, I'm going for a catfish or two. What the fuck? God damn it um so medical testimony later on will uh medical uh not testimony um what's the word i'm looking for investigation jesus christ uh said that the cause of death is uh from one of two blows to the head

either of which could have been fatal wow is what they say so pretty pretty uh pretty nasty scene here and we'll find out who that was later on because they have to identify the body through fingerprints um that's the only way to do it there's just unidentifiable otherwise so uh bad stuff so that said let's talk about a couple of people okay So that said, let's talk about a couple of people. Okay. Let's get into this now. First of all, let's talk about the name here is amazing.

First of all, let's talk about Chester Coxwell. Fuck yeah. I mean, dude, there's just so much to unpack there. If you were writing this show, James, and said the lead guy is going to be Chester Coxwell, James, nobody's ever going to believe that's gonna buy that if we if you were in the seventh grade and a kid in your class was named chester coxwell your fucking head would explode you wouldn't even know where to go or no no no c-o-x well oh my god so there'd be chester there'd be molesting and he's his cock well he likes cock he's well with cock, cock's well on him.

Cock swelling. His cock swells when he sees Chester, when he gets molested by Chester. You would go crazy with making fun of someone in the seventh grade over that name. It would be terrible for everybody. So Chester Coxwell. Luckily for him, he's born in 1919, so that was a little less of an issue at that point for him you know there was seven of him there's everyone was named chester or dick or something something either you know something sexual or phallic or some shit the girls half the girls were named labia back then what do you want

no they weren't virginia which turns real easy into vagina. Yeah, which I'm sure it did for anybody back then. Now, he is born in Calhoun County, but lived in Liberty County for most of his life. He is an Army veteran, which means back then, if you're born in 1919, man was in world war ii no shit he is a world war ii veteran mr chester coxwell so i mean make fun of his name all you want but he fucking beat hitler or at least helped so probably kick your ass for it so i'd watch your mouth around him he's in may of 1980 near anaheim california, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell.

She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit but would never be seen alive again. Leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott? From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Aaron and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence, and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened.

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Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Fine. So in 1976, obviously, he's getting up there in age. He's in his late 50s. And he has a wife as well here. His wife's name is Leela Mae Coxwell. All right. Which the name Coxwell just makes anything before it difficult. It sounds filthy.

Yeah, it really does. Coxwell. So he marries Coxwell. He marries Leela Mae. Makes her a Coxwell. Yeah, they have some kids together, boy. She apparently has a child from a previous marriage as well when they get together but they end up making some they make five sons holy oh yeah buddy raymond robert charles

and james yeah and uh they have two daughters pauline and sharon as well. So seven kids, seven kids, 19 grandchildren, 22 grand, great grandchildren. They have a man and a woman fell in love. James, they will have later on. Yeah. They have just,

they've populated a lot of this County. Basically, this is a fascinating thing about this thing. I mean, I'm sure in world war two, it's just a fascinating thing. I'm not saying it's a should happen or shouldn't, but sure in World War II, it's just a fascinating thing. I'm not saying it should happen or shouldn't. But in World War II, there's no way he was in World War II and didn't miss death by a hair a couple of times.

It just happens. You heard a bullet whiz by your head. Things like that happen. Just two inches this way or that way. None of these people exist. Right. I mean, they exist in another case, but not in this exact case. None of these people.

Well, the people lands when he was standing right there he just walked out of that position and now it's now that position is blown to smithereens yeah maybe leela may marry someone who's not quite as virile it doesn't doesn't quite have as strong a swimmers and then he's maybe they have two kids and that cock doesn't swell as much yeah if four grandchildren and then two greatgrandchildren, and not 19 and 22. Who knows? Bananas. Yeah, someone whose cock swells not quite the same as Chester. So they have set up quite the little deal for themselves.

The thing we always hear in the reviews from small towns, and it's even from people who love the small towns, a lot of people, they really enjoy it, but they all say, I wish there was more opportunities for work, obviously. If there's not a lot of people, there's not a lot of industry, there's not a lot of jobs. It's just kind of the way it works. So that's the only, like, that's the hard part of small town life. People will see a small town and go, oh, man, I wish I could move there. Then they'll see housing price. They'll be like, oh, my God, you get that beautiful house for $130,000?

I got to move there. And they'll see housing price. They'll be like, oh my God, you get that beautiful house for 130 grand. I got to move there. And then you look and you're like, oh, I can work at the gas station or I can be the second fry cook at the restaurant. Those are my options of what employment is within a hundred miles. Right. You better make your nest egg and retire there. Yeah. You could drive to Tallahassee. That's an hour away, I guess. I mean, if you really wanted to, you could commute to Tallahassee. But I don't know. Whatever. But they figure it out. They have one of these businesses that is like a gold mine in a place like this.

They have a bait shop. Fuck yeah. On Lake Mystic. Killing it. Yeah. So they're just the people. Tell me they have the bait shop on Lake Mystic. No, it's their bait shop.ic. It's their bait shop.

They're the bait shop guy. Are they the only one? That's it? Right there, yeah. So, I mean, anybody who's going there, they're going to them for bait. And, you know, I'm sure beer and soda and supplies. And if you've ever gone fishing, you know that place that you stop for worms. You spend like $80 at that place before you go to the lake because you're buying chips and beer and all this type of shit, soda and fucking sandwiches and bait, everything.

So, yeah, they own this place. And apparently it's very, very successful, this bait and tackle shop. It's killing it. I mean, they do very well monetarily. They have employees and everything. It's a thing. They have employees and everything. It's a thing.

For some reason, even though they're really successful, I guess this shrinks down their overhead or whatever. They live on the property of the bait shop, which kind of sucks because they always smell bait. No one wants to always smell bait. It's not just that. It's like you're never leaving your job. No. And they live in a trailer on the property as well. Yeah, you're never leaving work at that point.

And that's not easy to do. That's difficult, I would say, yes. And you're going home to your trailer, which is like, oh, my palace here. You have no room in the office. Yeah. No shit. office yeah no shit um now in 1973 chester changes a little bit because he's in a very bad car accident in 73 and is kind of banged up after that you know what i mean just in a lot of pain and uh he takes up as i guess habits uh here take him taking it up like he took up fucking fishing he takes up drinking and pain

pills as a all right as a as a way to cope with that very florida so in the 70s he's way ahead of his time oh he's a fucking trendsetter but he figured it out that those two together can give you get you quite fucked up so holy shit these two together i am for lying oh man how many wrestlers hearts have to stop before everyone figures this out so uh and apparently chester has um he fucks around a little bit on the side chester he's not exactly uh mr great grandfather over here has also kind of got his he's got his finger in a couple extra pies to put it in a way here yeah um he's even in 76 he's involved in an extramarital affair and we'll we'll discuss with who um now all of these things by the way all of these uh all of these uh all of this shit turns into he's mad at her

and she's mad at him and then there's another woman who's also mad at her so we get a feud going on here now uh judy barnes will introduce here she's 26 years old and she she's a bait shop employee no and chester's chester's giving her the cockswell. 50-something years old, hammering away on 26. 50-something-year-old bait salesman is banging away on a 26-year-old. What? Yeah, this is crazy. She must be the master baiter, I'm telling you.

This is the best baiter ever at anything she does. I can tell you who's not jesus yeah this guy's got a whole thing going on here so she oh my god apparently uh judy why this affair she's also married by the way her married name is charade so she's judy barn charade um so yeah she she's got her own issues anyway um so they're having an affair her and and he are having an affair and uh she uh um leela may obviously is going to find out about this um and when she finds out about this she's going to fire her from the bait shop and take it a step further by getting i guess

somehow calling the state and trying to get her kids taken away from her as well which yeah she you fuck my husband i'm getting back at you apparently this is not a jesus um so this makes judy uh have a real big beef with lila of Of course. And Chester is still banging Judy and Lila's mad at Judy as well. So they have a big time feud. Wow. Over a 50 something year

old bait salesman. So this is a... What kind of shit is he slanging man? Good for Coxwell. It's not... You have to earn that last name apparently that last name isn't given at birth right like we'll check him out in about 24 25 years and see how he's doing and see if they missed the very part in his name i don't know how the hell incredible uh now about um late 1975 early 1976 chester starts thinking about maybe i'll kill my wife oh i mean maybe um who knows uh well this is leela's got her own stuff going on that we'll

talk about too so it's not just it's not one way uh maybe i'll kill my wife okay so he talks about it with judy and judy's like great idea yeah we should totally kill your wife yeah i've been trying to take my kids yeah try to take my kids and i don't really like her and i'd like to get my job back at the bait shop so yeah let's do it um she's the boss and the reason i don't have the job yeah so they contact a friend of judy who is he's the guy his name is wallace atkins i believe um he is the guy that they talked oh no he's a guy from another another okay this is a different failed plot i apologize wallace atkins so he'll come up later um they contact a guy uh he coxwell chester offers

judy barnes his friend five thousand dollars to kill Lila Mae. Five grand. About five grand, which in 76 is decent money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of worms to make that money. Yeah, it's a lot of money now, but I mean, back then, that's 25 grand or something with inflation. So this particular friend, though, declines the offer. He heard it and heard him out, and he was like, I don't think so.

I don't want any part of that. he heard it and heard him out and he was like i don't think so i don't want any part of that okay so um uh a second guy came along here and uh he jesus christ he went he accepted okay five grand's a good price so he this is wallace atkins he and judy now this was judy on her own though doing this this wasn't even chester involved this is judy i'm gonna kill this guy so outsourcing the job by herself she just went yeah she kind of went off on her own here so judy and wallace atkins decide we're gonna kill him we're gonna kill this lady so they like stalker and all this type of shit and not and they never end up being able to kill her though uh. Doesn't work out. She's got a guy named Wally.

She got Wallace Atkins to help him. You got to get a Chester in this case. Well, then again, Chester's didn't work either, so never mind. Anyway, later on, Wallace will end up getting arrested for this whole thing, the attempt of this. You can't try to kill somebody. No. You can't come up with a plot and then try and be like, well, it didn't work out. Like, it's still attempting.

It's a conspiracy. It's not illegal, right, officer? No. Murder conspiracy plots aren't, they're good, right? So, now, Judy Barnes is a frequent, not proprietor, frequent guest at the Black Tavern, is is what it's called near bluntstown here so she goes and hangs out at the what's called the black tavern that's the name of it and um wow uh she gets even after she gets fired basically chester still gives her money you know still basically pays her like she works at the bait shop, but she doesn't work at the bait shop anymore. She works at the Coxwell shop, I guess. So he pays for groceries.

He has an account set up for her at the Bristol store, the grocery store there. And all this type of shitty. Another time he sent her $150 for something else. So he tries to. Yeah. Yeah. He's taking care of her here. Now, another taxi driver named Chester.

See, Chester, just a common name. Chester Goodings. In this period of early 1976, Chester Coxwell had sent this cab driver to pick up Judy Barnes and bring her to him about six or eight times in this period. So he's retrieved her via cab multiple times. So there's still affairs going on. Now, Judy said, you know, she openly threatens Leela Mae's life. Really? Yeah. She's like, I will kill that lady.

She tells everyone she knows that she wants to kill her. She tells Leela Mae she wants to kill her. She doesn't care. She doesn't care because she said that Leela Mae had her kids taken away from her, and wants her fucking dead because of that how dare she yeah got my goddamn kids taken away from her and there was other things they got an argument there was all sorts of trashy shit was going on with this whole such yeah with this all judy barnes wherever she's around there's like a she's like pigpen i feel like there's just a like a cloud of trash following her yeah all, all the people she knows, including Chester. It's a fucking disaster here.

So you would think, wow, this is now Chester wants her dead. He's trying to plot against Leela Mae, and then Judy's got her own operation going on. So between the two of them, someone's going to pull it off. Well, Leela Mae has her own plot that she's working on as well terrific so she yeah she's no withering flower over here she's like i'll fucking get them before they get me so everyone is plotting against each other we don't know who knows about whose plots no one's really in cahoots sort of because they're it's the weirdest it's real life florida clue this is a florida clue exactly uh what uh alton coxwell jesus christ i'm sorry not not a son no no uh this is a cause a coxwell cousin okay

yeah um now leela he will say that later on that Lila Mae Coxwell had during this time showed him a gun and said, now, by the way, he's Chester's cousin, not hers. Yeah, right. But I guess she likes him. I don't know. She trusts him, obviously. Showed him a gun and said, this is the gun that I'm going to use to kill your cousin here. I'm going to shoot Chester in his sleep. So I'm going to do that.

That's the thing that's going to happen. And so he was like, oh, shit. Then she revised her plan where she was going to meet Chester on the road as he came back. Basically, she knew when he would go to Atlanta for a tryst once in a while here. That was what her suspicion was. He would go to Atlanta to hook up with Judy. So she said that she would wait on the road, plan to meet him on the road as he drove back with another woman. And then she was going to have somebody flag them down and then she was going to pop out and shoot them.

That was the plan. So, yeah. So just to just to clarify here. Now we got Judy's ambushing. flag them down and then she was going to pop out and shoot them that was the plan okay so yeah so just to just to clarify here now we got judy's ambushing her uh no not judy leela may wants to ambush and folks chester yeah she wants to ambush and the other woman presumably as well and kill them so we have chester just to recap chester asking anyone he knows if they'd like to make an extra five grand by knocking his wife off. Yeah, we have because he wants to bang 26 year olds. Then we have a 26 year old who's banging him, who's angry that his wife is mad at her.

So she had her kids taken away from her. So then she's got a side plot with some other dude named Wally to fucking knock off Lila May. And then while all this is going on, Lila Mae is loading her gun going, I'm going to wait on the road and get them both. So good Christ, this is a panhandle showdown right here. This is a,

it's a war. It's the good, the bad and the ugly. It's the last scene of good, the bad and the ugly, except in the panhandle instead of the desert. So this is really a fucking mess here. She said that finally she said she was going to do it she had a plan she told alton coxwell of what day she was

going to do it but then a couple of comments came up in conversation where she uh thought that chester knew about it and was like gonna you know cut her off at the pass here because she was like, I think he's on to my plan. So she abandoned that plan to wait on the side of the road. She's going to bide her time here. So there they also have been like the two of them have been fighting a lot alton coxwell said chester and lila may they've been drinking hard liquor together and they've been fucking you know they've been fighting and drinking and throwing shit at each other and just having a general a mess of a fucking time this is just a mess and she's generally angry because he's banging the fucking bait shop chick that's that's her general complaint which is a

valid complaint it's a valid complaint, yeah. He's mad because she won't let him bang the 26-year-old bait shop chick, which is a less valid complaint. You're going to have very few people that go, oh, good for you, honey. I hope it's nice and tight for you. That's great. Lila's reaction is certainly over the top. It's a bit over the top, yeah. I would say so. But this is apparently normal there's a woman named evelyn smith who has been friends with leela may all her life and uh

has always known her forever she said that uh leela may quote was jealous of anyone who came there to the bait shop to the bait store to work okay so basically any woman they hired there she was jealous of and would go off on a tan on a whole tizzy here i'd like to know which came first her jealousy and him fucking around because if she thinks that i may as well do it or if it's because he's been doing it a long time with a bunch of different people well it was even with her sister worked at the store at one point she was she got so tired of these things she just hired her sister she's like i'll hire my sister fuck that and she got mad at her sister the uh evelyn smith said quote i've seen her storming till her sister told her to calm down or she'd quit working at the store good lord yeah so this is you know

a big deal here is her jealousy is you know it comes up a lot and then since the actual now she actually has something to be jealous about too because he was never banging the sister but he's definitely you know with judy barnes so she said she was very uh um you know very much into that uh and then there was another uh apparently woman who that chester had an affair with that she was mad at anyway lila may fires judy like we said but the everything continued nonetheless the cab trips the grocery store bills the murder plots all these things um so uh essentially here this this is what's causing hard drinking and fighting and plots of murder is what goes on.

So enter George Kilpatrick. He's 21 years old. He is a bait gatherer. A worm hunter. He's a worm hunter. His job is to bring bait to the bait shops, which is, yeah,

he goes out in the swamps and picks up worms. Fishes shad and all that shit. Yeah, all that shit he brings in there. So he apparently hangs out with Chester a lot here. And I must say, and normally it doesn't really matter, but it kind of does in this case just because of later, George Kilpatrick is a 21 year old black

guy big old afro big giant he has got an awesome afro it's a 70s it's a big one it's cool and it's a big oscar gamble he's got going on and then we have uh chester coxwell is a very very white bait salesman who's in his 50s so it's a it's a strange couple it's like watching archie bunker hang out with lionel it's just like a weird like thing on all the family back in the day so it's a fun buddy cop movie it could be a fun buddy cop movie but instead it's a fun buddy murder plot movie because uh George what are you doing bud well not him Chester keeps bringing it up over a two-month period you know the late spring of 76 George won't The late spring of 76, George won't shut the fuck up about killing his wife. Murder pays better than minnows.

He's just like, man, every day he said he would talk to him. He'd bring it up constantly. He said he would take him around back and secretively talk to him. It was just like every time he saw him he's got two handfuls of worms and this guy's like let's talk let's talk about killing my wife here come here a minute 26 year olds are amazing can i just tell you that number one okay five years you'll find out next so uh he said that uh basically they came up with so many plans of how they were going to do it. Chester, every day he'd be like, oh, I got it, I got it, this is what we'll do.

And Kilpatrick, after a while, would just be like, oh, all right, sure. He knew he would come up with something else the next day. He just kind of thought it was a thing that he did. This made him feel better. Maybe he feels like he's in control if he thinks he can kill his wife if he plots to do it all the time. I don know whatever yeah killed it yeah kill in your last name george live up to it let's go and he just wants to sell some bait and go home like he's not interested in this at all he's like she didn't fucking fire my girlfriend i don't give a shit about any of this

so um now he said that chester asked him approximately 50 times about this, 50 times, which is a lot, I would say. He said they discussed the matter almost daily over a two-month period, but they were never able to settle on a satisfactory plan. Like I said, they come up with one and then, no, there's this and that, so we can't do that. and then no but there's this and that so we can't do that it just you know they said basically they had a couple where they went out and like thought about it and went and you know could we is this feasible and then it wasn't feasible uh kill patrick he asked him can you find somebody else so he tried to find other people and nobody wanted to take the job on yeah between the three of them how many people have been asked to commit murder, probably? There's got to be 40 witnesses of like, well, I was asked to commit murder.

I was asked to kill him. I was asked to kill her. Holy shit. We'd have met and killed each other. I don't know what happened. How many times did George walk into the shop and he's like, hey, George, kill Lila. I mean, kill Patrick. How are you, buddy? I mean, oh, shit.

Jesus. This is crazy, shit. Jesus. This is crazy, though. Like, this is like in a mob movie. There's everybody's got these plots. This is like Godfather fucking the end of the Godfather here. It's insane. So finally, he said, look,

you know, it's been 50 times we've tried it. I've asked you to come up with people. You can't come up with anybody. What if you just do it yourself, George? goes you do it i'll give you five thousand dollars and a red pickup truck wow a red pickup truck i guess that's the truck he had apparently to get that's what it was that's the truck he had to offer he said and my truck he didn't say and a shiny red pickup truck he wasn't just like five grand and a blue pickup truck and george was like nope and he's like a red pickup

truck all right okay fine fine fine fine i'll do it for the red one five grand a red pickup red you said red right handshake i don't know if that's what he thought was going on or what here. Parawinkle blue. See, that parawinkle blue ain't for me, man. He said now, this is George Kilpatrick. He asked me if I wanted to make 5,000, and I asked him who I had to kill for it. He said his old lady. Ask a question, get an answer. You know what I mean? George was joking.

Who do I got to kill for that? Who do I have to kill for that shit you know well who do you should ask george who need to die let me ask you who need to go and i like banging on this 26 year old so my wife if you could do that that'd be great yeah um so yeah um another guy Another guy here, Carol Melton, also, he ended up, he's, by the way, a convicted breaking and enterer there before and burglar and shit like that. He also was another guy during this time that he was an alternate plan. Instead of Kilpatrick, he's like, let me try this guy out real quick and then I'll bring it back to George.

You don't get the convicted guy. That guy's at it that's why he got caught yeah this this this guy was uh carol melton is his name and he uh apparently it didn't work out there so it's george kilpatrick and uh he first offers him 2 000 apparently then he offered up the offer to 5 000 and a red pickup truck. So it's getting good. That's a good deal. He said it was they were at a, quote, drinking party at the home of Judy Barnes. At that time, he brought I'm inviting my bait finder to our party. Before I fuck you, I'm going to discuss murder.

She she was probably involved sitting there doing it. Who knows? she she was probably involved sitting there doing it who knows now the carol melton guy yeah the offer for him to kill his wife uh to kill leela may came all the way back in christmas of 75 wow so this is a six this is all the whole six that's right when she got fired judy barns so right after that the whole six months leading up up to June is all murder plots from three different people going in every different way. He was offered $2,000 and a red pickup truck as well. So the truck's on the table, apparently. Yeah, the truck's been on the table for a while.

Yeah. I guess they were on the phone, and Melton said, quote, but I didn't take him up on it. I wasn't even in Florida when it happened. He's like, I didn't fucking kill her. I didn't do it. You know, he was talking about when this happened, he was on the phone with him. He was like, I didn't take, I wasn't even with Florida when it happened. I didn't fucking kill it. I didn't do it. I, you know, he was talking about when this happened, he was on the phone with him.

He was like, I didn't take, I wasn't even with him when it fucking happened. He's like, when he, when he offered me, I was out of state. So I wasn't even like looking him in the eye. I was just on a phone,

had no idea he was going to bring it up. Like, I don't know. Conspiracy, no conspiracy. No, he said that he didn't have, he didn't have any way of knowing if Coxwell was serious, but he said, quote, I recognized his voice and it was him. All right. So he said that he didn't have, he didn't have any way of knowing if Coxwell was serious,

but he said, quote, I recognized his voice and it was him. All right. So he said, must've been serious. He thought it was a prank at first. And,

uh, it apparently wasn't. Yeah. So, um, oh my God. Uh, they would have,

so he would go back to Kilpatrick and they'd have secret conversations behind the store and everything like that um the guy named alfred walker he is uh one of kilpatrick's friends he said he went on one of the trips up to drop some bait off and he once heard chester tell george quote you're lying you ain't gonna do nothing and then kilpatrick answered yes am. So they were really bringing it up and planning it here. June 24th, 1976, Judy Barnes checks into the hospital. Okay. Checks into the hospital. Now think of that. June 24th checks into the hospital.

Checks into the hospital at the behest of Chester. Right. Check into the hospital. That way you're in the hospital everybody knows where you are then your documentation that's called an alibi so you be in the hospital and um he said listen don't worry about this by the time you get out of the hospital you'll be able to come home to my trailer with me and live and be queen of the bait shop i guess yeah you're oh hey really you mean all yeah all this is gonna be mine wow queen nightcrawler look at me this is terrific

so um that's the 24th june 25th chester calls the sheriff's department reports that lila may is missing okay okay he calls and it's it's missing she's gone um the police obviously want to know you know do you have any information as to where she might have gone and uh chester tells the police tearfully obviously he's very upset that she's gone this is his wife of years and 30 years and all these kids. He said that he, uh, Lila may had left bed that night. Uh, they were in bed together and there was a knock at the door. Lila may had gotten up and walked out of the room and he said,

quote, the last time I saw her alive was when she closed the door, uh, to our bedroom. Okay. And, uh, he said he,

uh, kind of dozed back off, woke up a couple minutes later and she wasn't around he had no idea where she was no sign of her just gone so he called the sheriff's department the next morning

when she didn't show back up and he went on TV and he you know gets cries on TV and says how sad he is his wife's gone he says just tears popping out of his eyes on television that he he wished he had answered the door that night instead of his wife oh fuck damn it maybe then I'd be the one missing and not her Chester laying it on thick body

laying it on real thick here so um what actually happened here is, Jesus Christ, Kilpatrick, he's going to have a couple of stories as well here, by the way. Later on, he's going to say that he came to the bait shop and Lila Mae was on the floor of the tackle shop when he arrived there. Oh, no. That's what he's going to say, as we'll talk about here. Then he is going to, he said that Chester pressures him into hauling the body away. That's what happened, okay? But he also makes a statement saying that he, uh, in one of them, he says that he was offered $1,000 to find somebody to kill Lila may.

And when he couldn't, then he was offered $5,000 in a red truck to do it himself. So he says, quote, I drove up to the house that night and blew the horn and got out of the car. Apparently when he drives up anytime, day or night and blows the horn, that means he the car apparently when he drives up anytime day or night and blows the horn that means he's got bait that means it's a bait drop off so they'll just get up out of bed if they have to go outside and grab the bait okay imagine that you be being awoken any time of day or night for worms beep beep live worms ah fuck worms are here. Shit. And jumping out of bed. Get them before they suffocate. He says that she blew the horn and got out of the car.

And, quote, she came out of the house. Nelson was in the car. By the way, we'll talk about Nelson in a minute. He says, quote, I knocked her in the head with a piece of iron pipe about three to four feet long, which I found by a tree. I put her in the trunk of the car. Now, as they're driving, he fucking hits her with an iron pipe. She drops. Okay. She's not expecting this at all.

Picks her up, puts her in the trunk of the car, drives south toward where he lives. Okay. Now, as he's driving with this nelson person that we'll talk about all of a sudden they start hearing oh no ever seen the goodfellas anybody the beginning of goodfellas it's start here yeah thumps in the trunk and all this and they look at each other and they're like what the fuck so they stop into a wildlife refuge and much like good fellas stand there like, what the fuck are we going to do here? How do we do this? So holds the pipe in one hand and pops the trunk with the other.

And soon as it pops open, he fucking hits her again right in the head real, real hard. And this apparently kills her, crushes her skull, crushes her skull. Yeah, just crushes her skull. This is the second blow so the first one she was still she didn't know where she was but she was still alive and uh whatever and then the second one done um the the autopsy said the first one would have been eventually been fatal too so it's either one it just happened she happened to be alive at that point he says quote um uh i hit her again at the refuge with a tire iron because she was still

moaning good lord so this was a tire iron not a pipe and a tire iron's a lot heavier yeah solid steel it's dense and it's and it's smaller too so it's gonna it's gonna break a skull motherfucker yeah a lot more likely to break a skull a tire iron than a pipe uh you know generally so um now he said that he eventually when he gets talked to by the police he decides that he's going to come forward and talk from what he says to save nelson who was with him nelson hugley is a 15-year-old kid. What in the fuck, man? 15-year-old kid who lives with Kilpatrick and is his assistant bait gatherer. At least he's got a career. What the fuck?

You're 15. Go to school. Put this kid in school. Don't have him gathering worms, this poor kid. So Kilpatrick says, quote, I was concerned about nelson i thought at the least i could do uh something great and save nelson i hate to admit this but i was crying at the time i think of nelson as a child of mine i felt bad about him in jail about him being in jail so he didn't want him to he didn't want him to be in jail. This is when this goes on. He said he didn't think about because they said, well, if this guy because his first story was I came in.

She was dead on the floor that he forced me to go dump the body. And they said, well, why didn't you just take the body to the sheriff's department and say, hey, this guy just made me do this. Right. And he said that Bristol was a, quote, rough place for black people, and I didn't think that was the... To drive up to the sheriff's department in 1976 with a big afro and go, hey, there's a middle-aged dead white woman in my trunk, probably not the fucking best way to go about it. You know what I mean?

It's a good way to get marked, for sure. If you put yourself in that situation, you'd go, Jesus, this looks bad, right? Yeah. I mean, head crushed in and in my trunk. So it's really hard to be like, someone made me do this. It's hard. So understandable.

But then later on, he admitted that that was a lie and that he actually did it. So now Nelson, we'll talk a little bit about Nelson. He'd been in the car with George that night. He said, quote, I heard a lick laid across Mrs. Coxwell's head. And when I turned around, I just saw her falling. I saw George with an iron pipe in his hand. That's what he saw from the windshield.

So now later on, they're going to try to discredit you by saying that he's just doing this to get a lighter sentence for himself. He's also a child. So now the problem is there's a there's a real issue in the police officers taping of these of these discussions later on where there's an officer. This detective will only tape portions of the questioning that he thinks are relevant so basically he stops the tape and then when they get to something that he considers relevant then he'll turn the tape on so there's no way to know how that how we got to there you know what i'm saying yeah so that they that you don't do that anymore yeah that's dangerous that's that's thrown out babe that's more suspicious than not having it on tape at all. Right.

Because that sounds like you started talking, turned it off, roughed him up, and got him to say that shit. Or, yeah, did whatever form of coercion, offered him something, gave him a special inducement. Who the fuck knows? Offered him a blowjob if he told him. You don't know what the fuck anybody could do. I mean, anything's possible when you make it look suspicious by cutting parts out of it.

It looks suspicious. Tape the whole thing. Let us decide what's relevant or not. When Richard Nixon got busted and had all the tapes and they figured it out, and they were like, there's pieces missing. That was the biggest thing in the world. What's on that fucking 15 minutes of missing tape? It's the smoking gun.

I mean, people's heads explode over that shit i have eight fucking i have a hundred hours but that 12 minutes is the piece that makes it all worthwhile and it's kind of what it is here so he uh uh he says um man later on they'll say a man's life is on the line and this guy's saying quote i don't want to waste tape because that that was the excuse was he said that he only the officer said he only taped the relative portions because he didn't want to waste tape. Yeah. Max cells are expensive. They are in the 70s, but it's a murder investigation. So let's pony up probably spring for this.

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The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. That's part of it here. So, man, so anyway, they ended up after they delivered the final blow, they tied the concrete and the feet and all of that shit and threw her in the creek. But that didn't happen for two days. What? her in the in the creek but that didn't happen for two days what what they did was they they killed her in the trunk and then left the car there in the wildlife refuge and then came back

two days later because they figured they should get rid of her probably and eventually it'll be discovered so they take her out of the car that's been sitting in a hot Florida trunk. June. In fucking late June. Wow. Okay? And that's when they tie her up and they decide they're going to put her in this boat. Rather than tie the block to her and throw her in the water, they decide they're going to put her in this boat, hang her feet off the side, and push her out toward the deeper end. and then something would take her off the boat and she would sink and that's how it would work but it just she just floated out there while things not a good plan and then that heavy ass cinder block drug that side of the boat down and got

water inside it and now it's half sunk that's exactly what happened so you have a half capsized boat with a dead woman in it that's half eaten by gators, which is fucking horrible. So, Jesus Christ, that was the big thing here. He thought it would sink to the bottom, and instead it stayed afloat, and that's that. So Nelson Hughley said that he went to the Coxwell home that night. Same story as Kilpatrick, blew the horn. She came out, like we said, what happened here. I can't believe they went back to move the body that is gross that is gross so the fisherman ends up finally finding the the

body this is after two days three days of intensive air searches ground searches i mean this was a big deal they were looking for this lady uh now so the police investigating before they know anything about kilpatrick or anything like that they they're investigating and looking at like, what the fuck? You know who could possibly be at their investigating Chester? And they find a an attorney, Bill A. Corbin, who Chester and Lila May had come to for a divorce. So they had talked about a divorce in the last six months. come to for a divorce so they had talked about a divorce in the last six months he said that uh chester told him that he loved his wife and quote would give her everything and go away and start a

new life for himself wow i don't care just you just take everything because all all i want is a 26 year old's ass to grab that's all i'm looking for that's how much he wants to fuck a 26 year old at 50 whatever the hell i don't care 26 year old yeah 26 year old ass you will give up everything everything in your 50s i guess you will yeah who cares it's fine yeah um so jesus christ he said that uh he said that you know he said he would get half of the bait business and do all that they were going to split the bait business and everything like that and then he says that if he's convicted and uh he gets still gets half the bait business because he doesn't get her half so he's like basically if he actually killed her when they're investigating the guy said

quote he would have gotten the same half of the divorce i don't know what the fuck he's doing so it's a it makes no sense that's why they were they were wondering if maybe that's not the motivation and maybe it wasn't him at first but then july 1st 1976 he's arrested and that's because no bicentennial for him either nope he's missing the bicentennial and he lived all this time all on this earth he fought in world war ii he's ready to celebrate and see some fireworks and no three days before coxwell god damn it he got chestered so july 1st 76 is when he's arrested he is arrested on the on the the polygraph test not testimony but some one of his accomplices had gone to the police

and they gave him a polygraph to make sure he was telling the truth. And he was. And that's Nelson Hughley. Okay. He went and spilled the whole beans here. He has nothing to do with anything. He wasn't getting a red pickup. Do you know why?

It's because you never have a fucking teenager in your hit squad. Ever have a teenager in your hit squad. As we've learned from crime and sports. And the rules are steadfast. They really across sports small town it works so yeah apparently this was an uh the witness was nelson he took the polygraph test and they ended up uh they ended up saying that uh going to chester and going we think your story's bullshit now uh which was his i heard a knock at the door and then she went away and I never saw her again. So now he's got a different story

once they get him in there and they have- Kilpatrick does? No, no, now Chester does. Okay. They arrest Chester and Kilpatrick, they still don't have yet. So they arrest Chester and on Hughely's whatever and then chester ends up cracking on his story pretty quick actually of his last thing i saw was her in her nightgown all

that bullshit which i answered the door instead yeah he that story was sounded nice you know this story sounds way less nice um it's just not good um now he says that oh my god a quote this is a quote from him quote well not an exact quote we'll say paraphrase quote a big n word and a little n word had come to my trailer and said they wanted to buy fish bait oh chester he said that both he and his wife went outside and then he said that he saw quote a shovel come down on his wife's head he he said that he knew the one guy the bigger guy and his name was george now that led police to go and pick up george kilpatrick which ended up you know that's how that happened George Kilpatrick, which ended up, you know, that's how that happened. Then Kilpatrick came in and said, oh, no, no, no, au contraire.

That's not what happened at all. Did he tell you about the red pickup truck? Because that's what this is about, Chief. Shiny red truck. Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. Shovel the hell out of here. He's asked me 100 times to kill his wife. At least 50.

At least. This is after the funeral. They let let the funeral happen and then they brought him in and the sheriff said quote i never believed his story about chester he finally gave us the name george and then said he was afraid to report the murder at first why he said i was afraid they were going to come back for me yeah yeah because why so two guys are going to come they're going to come back for me. Yeah. Yeah, because why? So two guys are going to come. They're going to kill your wife and drag her off into the woods to dump her and just leave you standing there. Why? That's a terrible story. They'll come back for you later if you talk?

Are you out of your fucking mind? It would have been a better story if he said, I was in the house and I saw this happen. And by the time I got outside, they were gone. That would make sense. But then you would have no reason to say you didn't go to the cops none of it fucking makes sense so um jesus christ so kilpatrick here um he ends up being arraigned on first degree murder charges as a matter of fact basically everybody is arraigned on first degree murder charges at first now uh sheriff rankin says i'm thankful for all concerned that the suspects are in custody.

Widow women, and especially women living alone, can rest easy again. Besides the fact that your husband's dead, you can go ahead and rest easy. If you've gotten over the fact that your husband died tragically, then... Was eaten by a gator back in 68 then i think you're gonna be all right hey widows you know how you're heartbroken go ahead and sleep now everything's fine oh my god that's fucking amazing that is amazing that's so funny why do you use that word i i know right just because it's women that live alone is that what he's assuming he puts them in the same widow women and especially women living alone so first

he's like all these widows around here and really any woman living alone really yeah rest easy now even if you got back together with some other strapping man, you can rest easy, too. Everybody, just rest your vaginas, everybody. It's going to be okay. All you weak pussies, go ahead and sleep better at night. So they tell Coxwell, obviously, that Kilpatrick doesn't have the same story as him, and he's talking about red pickup trucks and $5,000 and all that sort of thing. And Chester's like, well, I never.

That's a. God, are you kidding me? Not me. I object. I object. Sir, I object. And then there is one more arrest needs to be made here. Wow, Judy.

Judy Barnes is getting arrested, too. She is arrested. You're damn right. At first, they don't even know if she's involved because they don't know. So they just arrest her for conspiracy at first. And they figure at least if nothing else, they're going to get her on the attempted plot over the spring. Right. That's what she ends up pleading and going to prison for, actually, is the attempted conspiracy of murder there and a charge of lying during an official investigation because that's what they first arrest her on because

she lied and said she never received money from Chester Coxwell for a new car. Okay. Never received it, but she actually did. So they said you lied during an official investigation and arrested her. And then they found out more from there basically. And it turned into oh we

have another charge for you here and uh they did say that uh all between between judy chester and george every story is completely different and they have no fucking idea what to believe basically they have no clue what it's just three crazy stories and they're all like oh no i wanted to kill this one well i wanted to kill that one but nobody it's just the closest to the truth right i think it is because well from what we'll find out i really i believe his is the truth if i'm being and the different the reason i say is because judy's trying to save her own ass uh george is just trying to save the kid he's trying to save hugely well yeah and trying to get

himself off the death penalty the reason i would believe trying to save his own ass stay out of jail and bang 26 year olds he's got a lot to live for yeah the reason i believe george is because nelson and george have the same story okay they they corroborate each other's stories yeah like to a t so and neither of them are like in a favorable light to them either. So corroborating a confession like that kind of makes me believe it, I would say. And everybody else is just by themselves going on me. I don't know what you're talking about. So less believable.

I'm saying that George actually did it, man, being that he has a heart and he cared about a 15 year old. Everybody else just cares about themselves. teen year old where everybody else just cares about themselves all i can think of is if you are if you are a bait gatherer yeah george is illiterate by the way too he doesn't even have much of a chance like he's gonna change a lot for him an illiterate bait gatherer he can fuck you could probably buy a fucking house around there for in that back that back then for five grand i'm not even kidding you could probably get a house back there like or at least something like that that'll change his fucking life probably that's a large chunk of money so

that's the only thing and a new truck yeah i mean shit i don't know if that's the uh the motivation or what it is but i just know that he's young and pretty poor if he's digging up worms for a living probably it's not yeah worm pickers don't make much money i can't imagine no well it's not like oh he doesn't have like a whole operation where he oversees 50 people picking worms and he makes the profit. He's literally going out there picking worms himself with a 15-year-old kid. It's not a big operation. It was like $1.25 for a giant styrofoam cup full of fucking worms. You've got to pull a lot of worms to make any kind of money.

You really do. They're not that expensive. When you see it, you're like, wow, it seems like it would take forever to find that many worms you know yeah fuck it i'm gonna go throw these in the water 299 shit i'll throw them away why not i'll let fish eat them so uh the uh one the state's attorney said but there is enough convincing evidence that leaves little doubt it should go to the grand jury for action on everybody basically yeah they uh j that Hugh Lee here if a fifth death for kid he's 15 years old Jesus Christ he is also charged with first degree premeditated murder so everybody's charged at first here the

sheriff was talking about the the hunt for the body and all this type of shit now they are after they charge Hugh Lee he turns state's evidence and in that he is expected as part of the deal to be remanded to juvenile court okay instead of being tried as an adult that's helpful and we'll find out about him because i feel bad for kids saw murder man yeah he had he had to help put he had to help throw away a decomposing body, Jimmy. That's a lot for a 15-year-old here. It's a big ask. It's a lot.

Yeah, I feel bad for the kid. And he had nothing to do with it. He was never having conversations about killing the wife. It never came up with him. George just brought him along. Exactly. They had more evidence here. They had evidence that she had been in his car trunk trunk because that's what they were trying to put together. Casts of his boots were made with by the prince near the creek as well for all that sort of shit.

They are presented. They had the concrete blocks that were tied to her legs as evidence and everything like that. Oh, by the way, they were from behind kilpatrick's house oh no that's where they came from the concrete blocks he had the same exact ones that's a pile of them in the back so that's not good at all i mean you can get concrete blocks anywhere but home depot when you add it all together it's a lot of evidence when you already got them though that looks bad it looks bad so now they're all in jail. Everybody's in jail. Four people at this point.

A big piece of evidence comes out of jail here. And this is a note that Chester Coxwell gave to George. He passed it to George Kilpatrick by hand. And this is on July 2nd. So this is the day after they're arrested. Probably the I think it might be like the first 24 hours that George is even there because they had to bring in Chester

and then he had to say George and then they had to go get George. Wow. So eventually they're both in the jail here on July 2nd. He passes him a note. Now, here's the problem. I'm sorry. He can't, George can't, I wanted to say Chester. George is illiterate. He can't read. He can't. George can't.

I wanted to say Chester. George is illiterate. He can't read. He can't read that. So when he gets a note. He needs a friend to read it to him. Well, a friend or there's not a lot of people in this jail. It's a rural jail.

You know who he needs to read it to him? He asked a guard to read it. He asked the jailer, hey, can you read me this note? Now. Chester can hear those words and be like no no you dummy don't fuck god damn it well it says this is the note quote uh by the way this note has uh 10 finger and two palm prints from Coxwell's hand. He's making love to it. He definitely, he had it pinned down while he wrote it. Everything, held it on the table.

Wow. He said, if you tell them you killed her for money and a truck, you and me will go to the electric chair. Yeah. But if you tell them that she came at you with a knife and you hit her and didn't mean to hurt her you can get out of it okay okay and a jailer read that too and was like i'll keep this i'm gonna give this somebody else and they were like hmm well i've you imagine the jailer reading he was like here you go all right here let me read it for you there george if you tell them you... I'm taking this and giving it to the attorney.

Like, just... Okay. No, Jalen, what's the rest of it say? It says you're going to be here a while. That's what it says. It says you're shit out of luck, George. George, it says get comfortable. Yeah.

It says, fuck, man, you should have ordered hooked on phonics at some point. I mean, I don't know what the hell kind of he comes from the swamp. Just George. Yeah. I don't know what kind of education are probably zero. I don't know what kind of educational opportunities he had. So I'm not saying it was that. But this is, you know, Jesus Christ, man.

When your when your murder accomplice passes you a note i don't care if you can read or not you should know enough that this is probably not like publicly digestible information that i really want in a court document if he was within uh hand uh grabbing grasp fucking reach he probably could have said those words to you but instead he chose to write them therefore this is a secret yeah that's anything about secrets george you fucking jerk nope no there's no secret george is a very honest man he really is you sit him down they're like we think you killed her he's like well i didn't let me tell you why very honest you ever driven a new ford sir so um now this is when he gives his other story he doesn't this is when he finally breaks in jail

is when he says that uh um he has a more of his story to the two n-word uh came to the door chester yeah chester by the way is telling george on the side when he talked to him he goes just tell them that she always called you racial slurs and you got mad and then she got scared and came at you with a knife so you hit her that's that was the that's what back up that story i'm gonna say racial slurs like fucking crazy in that way well that's what he does no this is to the police believable on tape it's gonna they're gonna know how racist we are as a household as a household you know what i mean that's what that's the goal here and that'll get us both out of here and then we'll both be home and then i'll be banging 26 year old did i mention

that that's the main goal i'm working on here is i get 26 year olds you get a new truck you get a red it's red you're gonna like it uh so uh chester coxwell calls over the the one of the guards and he says i need to talk to you yeah tells him to get the sheriff here and he does and he said listen okay this is what happened the same two n words yeah just in casual conversation man i mean he didn't even like snap like my wife was killed by whom and then they told him and he's like n words nothing you know what i mean they were like jesus calm down he's like i'm sorry but i you know i'm so mad i'm so mad and i shouldn't have said that that wasn't right it's not yeah none of that shit he's just like so anyway same two n words going on here and i was

like n word please and then he's just dropping it all over the place. 76 Florida. You are 76 panhandle. He said these same two had threatened his wife about a month earlier when they had bought two cans of fishing worms. Oh, brought two cans of fishing worms to the bait store. Okay. He says, quote, that they roughed him up to Jesus Christ. Chester, why are you making me do this oh my god chester i really hate this chester guy right now quote jesus man quote the big n word hit me in the belly and the little n word held a knife on my wife when she said there

weren't 500 worms in one of the buckets he said said they paid $10.50 a piece for the worms. By the way, that's how much 500 worms are worth, $10.50. What does that break down to? So five grand is a shitload of fucking money. It's like a nickel, a dime, a dime a worm? Yeah, it's a dime a worm, man. Wow. That is wild.

him a worm man wow that's that is wild um so he said that they were paid that and uh and they were told they'd be killed if they called the sheriff about this little incident over the worms so they took 496 yeah he took their 21 and left on a the big worm scam for a thousand worms a thousand he said he recognized one of the men as a man he'd seen, quote, an N-word named George. Okay. Can't you just say, they know which George you're talking about. Can you just say that George that you've arrested and is sitting in the cell next to me, who I passed a note to about murder, that guy, you know him? That's much more descriptive, I think, at that point.

It's way more specific. Oh, my God, Chester. Jesus Christ. You wife-murdering fucking asshole. God damn it. So now Judy Barnes here. Judy Barnes pleads guilty at this point here. at this point here.

She said it came out that she received $450, by the way, in like a payment to go to the hospital and set up the alibi. So that was part of it. And she kept telling her, once it's all over, you just come on home when you're out of the hospital. You just come home, move on in with me in the trailer, and just pretend like Lila was never here. No problem. Treating the county hospital like a like a staycation yeah well like you need to be seen there like it's like i need

to go to walmart so they can get me on the security tape just being there why not why go to the hospital why not just go stay in a resort and get a pedicure or some shit that's all jotted down too there's a lot of things she could have done but i guess there she can stay there all night i don't know whatever she's monitored they know she's there so now kilpatrick is his trial is going to come up first and good news finally hugely nelson hugely is given immunity for his testimony nice so they end up uh they end up letting him out with time served and he goes and joins the job corps oh no but by the time that which is way better than fucking living in the swamp collecting worms with an illiterate guy at 15 like let's be honest not way better but it's

definitely better it's a step up the ladder is what i'm getting at it's better you know at least it's in society you know they're gonna try to give you uh life skills they're also gonna fuck you up a little bit reading will probably be required is what i'm saying yeah that sort of thing so plenty of books what he's given is a chance at life is what he's given at least a chance to have a life not to sit in prison for the fucking rest of it so he's given immunity which i'm happy about now at the kilpatrick trial, at the trial, Kilpatrick goes, I didn't kill her. I don't know what you're talking about. So they were playing the tapes of him saying that, you know, I killed her.

I did this. Then I cracked her skull open, left her in the refuge. I felt bad for Nelson, the whole deal. But now he's back to the I only moved it because the husband threatened to blame me for the murder unless I did it. That's what he said. You know, that's all it is. He's saying that pre-trial confession. He said he only did it to protect his friend.

He only did it to protect Nelson. That's all. He said that he and Nelson went to Chester's home in actuality to pick up some marijuana that's what they did so he slings worms and weed yeah so he went to pick up some marijuana and he said when he got there she was already dead lila may and uh he said i'll you get this body out of here or i'm gonna blame you for it and i'm sure threw some racial slurs in there or something and he said that he did it because of the threat. Problem is, then they bring up Nelson Hughley on the stand who completely destroys all of that and says, no, he told me to come with him.

I watched him hit the lady with a pipe through the thing. We stopped and he broke her with a fucking tire iron. Oh, yeah. Then we tied a concrete block to her two days later after the whole story. And good Lord, it's pretty obvious what's going on at that point so he's that's tough uh that's going to be tough to overcome that here i would say and uh it's a 10 man three a 10 woman three man jury at this point so i'm sure they have an extra oh got it an extra um yeah so they uh 10 uh or i'm sorry 10 three men. Is that what I said? Yeah. The other way around. OK, so 10 women, which, again, doesn't look good for for George. No, I would say he says, though, that he's just going to first he does that. Then he switches to he was hired by by Chester, but like forced into it. It's it's really fucking a lot but anyway they end up bringing up his his statement from july 12th where it's uh they said that he tells captain clare clendon williams that he had to get

it off his chest he said coxwell offered him five thousand dollars and uh he hesitated until june and then he said finally coxwell told him that it has to be tonight or I'm going to find somebody else to do it and give them $5,000 in a truck. And he said so. He did it. Finally, he he did it. And all of that shit. Now, he is convicted, guilty of first degree murder. And the sentencing comes around.

This is 1977. What happened in 76? Death penalty was reinstated. Florida jumped right on that shit real fast and reinstated it statewide. In the bicentennial, James. Yeah, they wanted fireworks. So they, you sir, may fuck off. They sentence him to death in the electric chair.

Holy shit. They're going to get their fireworks. Whoa, that seems, I don't know, that seems a little much to me. I don't know. For Chester, fine, I feel like, because this is all his doing. But anyway, Chester here, his trial is after that. His trial is moved to Tallahassee because of the pretrial publicity. So his lawyer is decent enough to get the fucking change of venue happening.

And they say in opening statements that they are going to prove in this trial that Judy Barnes is the real mastermind of this murder, not Chester. Judy Barnes hired someone to kill her, not him. Judy Barnes has already pled guilty to trying to do this. Why wouldn't she be the one who did it? That's a good defense. Yeah. He said the trial would show that Judy Barnes believed that Leela May hired a woman to beat her up and was responsible for having her children taken away.

So that's why she said that's her motivation, which that's also true. All of that's also true, so it's tough. They had Carol Melton, George Kilpatrick, Nelson Hughley, all the Alton Coxwell, all the usual suspects that know everything, all fucking testified. A bunch of people testified to also being offered $5,000 to murder Leigh LeMay.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that was what his – he had like a – Sending an offer, yeah. He had a sign, like a billboard, like an injury lawyer basically. Want to kill my wife? $5,000. Want to make five grand? Kill my wife. Oh, man.

And so then they brought out the note from jail, you know, about the you tell her that she came at you with a knife note. And that doesn't look good at all. So here's a little snippet from the Kilpatrick on the stand here. George on the stand. They said, Mr. Kilpatrick, you've had several conversations with Mr. Coxwell then about killing your wife. Is that correct? Or killing his wife? Is that correct? And he says, yes, yes. Did you go through with any of those plans you had previously talked about? He says, did we go through with those plans? He says, yes. Did you ever carry it out? The ones you talked about? And he said, no. And they said, do you remember the 24th day of June 1976? He says, yeah, I does. So he says, did you go to Chester Coxwell's bait shop on that day he says yes what time did you get there it was in the afternoon between 3 30 and 4 o'clock he says did you talk to Chester that day yes our conversation was that he said he had put his girlfriend in the hospital which doesn't sound good no it sounds like it's like he beat the shit out of her and she had to go to the hospital yeah but that's not what he means and he said when she come out of the hospital he wanted to bring her home and he said his wife was in the way and to hurry up so literally this was like we have fucking time's a wasting she's coming home and we need to have that side of the bedroom cleared out her not to be here when she comes home i need to make closet space is what i'm getting at so she's got

a lot of shit she said she has a lot of shoes i don't know how much room she needs i really got to do it so they said to hurry up and he said you know they he said yes and they said okay nothing further so here's the cross-examination from the defense they said how many conversations approximately do you recall having with mr coxwell concerning the various different plans to kill his wife? And he says, well, I went to Bristol every day. And from the time this year since I've been hauling baits over there to the time I got arrested, I'd say it was every day that I come over there. Every day until that time, I'd say better than 50 or 60 times. That's a lot of kill my wife talk.

It really is. Too much. You can talk anyone into anything if you badger them 60 times yeah that's a lot of kill my wife talk it really is too much you can talk anyone into anything if you badger them 60 times you really can that's how my son got a sword for his birthday that's there you go that's how people believe conspiracy theories like wow i mean he told me 60 times he said it so much i believe it now oh shit they said and every time he talked with you about killing his wife and he said right so this is by the way the defense questioning him this is not a good line no and he said the state uh just asked you a question did you go through through with any of those plans and

you answered no is that correct and he said yes correct did you kill lila may coxwell pursuant to any of these plans and then there's an objection. And it all goes into basically they stop him from testifying at this point. He says the prosecutor says, I object. It's beyond the scope of direct examination. And then the defense says, I think they opened the door with the question. Did you go through with any of these plans? And then the prosecutor says the prior plans, your honor, the ones he testified testified about before it's beyond the scope of the direct and he said and the court agreed and sustained the objection and basically stopped that line of questioning of george kilpatrick right there which is very very important later on so um he does say that he

you know he gives all the jury all the the details, $2,000 at first, then $5,000, red truck, the whole fucking deal. They say, why are you here? And he says, I did it to, I had to tell the truth because he, because he, Nelson Hughley, and he says he knows it won't help him because he's already been sentenced. So he has nothing to lose. He's trying to help his his teenage friend out here so judy barns testified and she says oh yes i've threatened her life many times lila may you're like have you ever threatened lila may she said oh for sure all the time absolutely i mean jesus she said she took my kid she had somebody beat me up yeah i wanted to fucking kill her but i got beat to the punch that's what happens there you go yeah early bird gets the

worm you know what i mean and then they bring it to me and i sell it you know that goes sorry yeah i've had some little worm puns or anything like that. So I figured we deserved it. We deserved it. But she does. It's so fun. She does deny having any part in this particular conspiracy that the one that actually resulted in the deaths. She was like, I had no idea that was even going on. Shit, I could have helped.

God damn. Chester testifies. Okay. He testifies. He has to. There's no testifies. He has to. There's no other way. He's got to look sympathetic. He says, quote, I love my life more.

I love my wife more than I love my own life. So he loves his wife more than he loves his own life. That's what you're supposed to do. But go on. Loves her. He says that he breaks down and cries. And he said he was afraid. And he ran the night of June 24th when everybody, big N word and then a little one. That's what he said on the stand, trying to be sympathetic.

On the fucking witness stand, he said a big N word and a little one through tears on the stand. A capital and a lowercase. They both got her. Oh, my God. Wow. What the fuck? He said, hit my wife over the head with a shovel and just was terrible. And then cross-examination, they were like, well, why didn't you tell the sheriff that first night then?

Why the fuck did you report her missing the next day, stupid? And he says, I didn't tell the sheriff the truth that first night because i thought she was just kidnapped and was still alive which is that's acceptable i mean well that's then you better tell them so they can get her back before they do worse jimmy your wife gets kidnapped once in a while it happens what are you gonna make a big fucking thing out of it better keep it down jesus you're such a whiner you know what i mean i'm gonna keep it down for all that heat get some get some get some mad the sheriff comes in any calls how people bitching their wife's kidnapped their kids are missing i don't know we didn't even write it down

fucking people are always complaining we don't want to get anybody excited about it because then uh she's just missing they're just missing right now they could get worse. Then he said, quote, I thought they would come back and get me too. Okay. Fuck out of here with that shit. So the closing of these whole,

of this whole thing here, the prosecutor says, quote, everyone who testified that Chester Coxwell, this is a defense, I'm sorry. He said, everyone that testified Ch coxwell wanted his wife dead was a close personal friend of judy barnes and he makes a motion for acquittal on the grounds that there's no direct evidence linking coxwell to the murder so and the judge goes get the fuck out of here with that shit we don't do a trial because we have plenty evidence yeah that's what an indictment is. It means there's evidence, and they've shown more evidence.

We'll say wild shit in here. The jury was sequestered at a local motel all week, so that's very exciting. A town of 950 people, I'm sure it's beautiful. It's a hot motel. Real nice stuff here. Continental Breakfast. Yeah. Diesel trucks running in the parking lot all night.

All fucking night. They said that the trial, by the the way they said was a mix all the spectators were mainly a mix of chester and leela may's friends and relatives basically and sitting on opposite sides of the courtroom whatever side you were on as well so it became like a real hatfield and McCoy situation among the family. So the defense closing, he said that Coxwell, listen, he goes, he said that he didn't know that George couldn't read or write

and that he'd have to get a jailer to read the note for him. Why this is a defense, I don't know. Okay. He said, quote, nobody is accusing him of being intelligent. That's what he says about Chester. No one is accusing him of being intelligent. That's what he says about Chester.

No one's accusing him of being bright. I mean, yeah, he's a fucking idiot. So then finally, the defense says, quote, Judy Barnes, not Chester Coxwell, hired Kilpatrick to kill Mrs. Coxwell. Thank you very much. Fucking mic drop. Take that shit. thank you very much fucking mic drop take that shit um no he said that uh he tried to really focus on the testimony depicting immoral conduct between chester and judy that's what he tried to do he said quote he's being tried for murder not anything else so don't you go around yeah he's

fucking a 26 year old but that don't mean that he's a murderer now. He said he wanted to be sure the jurors understand the state had the burden to prove. He said, quote, Chester doesn't have to prove anything. He doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. That's definitely right. One of the jurors at this point dismissed herself from duty. Why? She said she had to leave because she did not believe in the death penalty. She thought she could possibly put whatever aside, but then she then she said quote i just can't go all the way

so death penalty on the table she wants no part of it she takes off so they uh they the jurors are ready for um they're talking about sentencing and all this type of shit later on uh they're saying that this is amazing before the jury comes back the defense asked that they be fucking amazing that they be sequestered and not allowed to watch tv okay because they said that the impact of a show that was on that night on tv was a it was a news show about uh violence in amer, and it would probably influence the jurors to want to put somebody away to, I can control this. I'll put murderers away.

And he said, please let them not be allowed to watch TV. 2020's out of control tonight, you guys. Can we just get the TVs removed? And the judge denied the request, saying he could not dictate what television programs a jury could watch when it was not sequestered. He's like, I didn't sequester them. So you didn't ask for a sequester. You just want me to rip the TVs out of their fucking hotel rooms.

Not doing that shit. of Chester, told the juries to stay away from newsstands and turn off the 6 and 11 o'clock news programs on television tonight. Just do that. No news watching and stay away from that. Don't talk about this shit. He said, quote, the news media is not under the strict rules of evidence that you are. The case is going to be tried in this courtroom and no place else. So, yeah.

By the way, the 12-member jury, there was only 22 prospective jurors in this pool, which I find to be not a lot at all. They had to take less than half to- I don't know how that works. More than half? Jesus. I don't know. I don't know how that-

Oh, no. I think it's 10 alternates, maybe. That's what that is. I think I'm reading this wrong. So, January. Anyway, he is found guilty of uh first degree murder so obviously i mean jesus that's pretty obvious so january 1977 i don't think crying and saying the n-word on the stand is going to get you fucking acquitted that's

not helpful no january 77 is sentencing for ch. The jury can choose life or death here. Now it's a recommendation in Florida. So they recommend it. Then the judge has the final say of what the actual sentence is. They deliberate for one and a half hours here, which is not a lot of time to discuss life or death. And they, they bring it in and they,

they come in. You, sir, may fuck off. Death in the electric chair for you as well. Oh, boy. That's two. They've racked up two now. Judy's lucky she fucking pled at this point. She's like, maybe it's I'm happy.

Now, Chester appeals this very quickly. And he says in the appeal that his second statement, which was used against him in the trial, was a lie. And he only said it because not because he was scared of anybody, but he said he was scared of what the sheriff told him. As a matter of fact, he said Sheriff Rankin told him there was, quote, a lynch mob waiting downstairs for him. So he better give it up, because if I let you out of here, they're going to rip you to pieces. Yeah. So you're better off fucking telling me what the hell is up. That's what he said.

So the Florida Supreme Court in a five to nothing decision end up overturning the death sentence because it said that the cross-examination of Kilpatrick was stopped. And that violated his rights because they were trying to make a whole other argument about what happened that night. Yeah, they said the court basically that there weren't any rules for cross-examination of a witness. Yeah, they said the court basically that there weren't any rules for cross-examination of a witness. The court said that a judge's discretion not allowing relevant testimony could result in a reversible error, even though it's up to the judge. And they said, quote, in the present case, it clearly did. And that was that. So that's that's not good there for him or for everybody. But he's they throw out his sentence.

are for everybody but he's they throw out his sentence so 1978 he's back in county jail awaiting uh a retrial because they throw out the whole thing and they you know his sentence is his conviction it's all overturned again he was on death row for like a year and then gets off death row and um the uh he gets a different lawyer and uh also he said if they said if he hasn't got counsel the court will have to determine if he can afford one. If not, one will be appointed for him. Obviously, that's kind of how it works. Now, they are definitely going to try him again. The prosecutor said the witnesses are still available.

It was one of the strongest cases I've ever had. I think we can convict him again. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. He said, I feel real good about the new trial. I never feel great about it. His son, Raymond Coxwell, the Coxwell son, he says that I quote, I never believed my dad was guilty. He's never been that kind of person.

He wouldn't hurt anyone. And I knew him real good. So, yeah, you don't know about how much he likes 26 year old women, though. He said that his father still had a lot of friends in Liberty County. And he said that this time his family is going to have a good lawyer named Howard Williams. He says, I think eventually he will be freed from this thing. So there's that. Now, Kilpatrick appeals as well.

Now, Kilpatrick appeals as well. They said that the court held that a witness for the state had been allowed to testify in violation of rules requiring that witnesses' names be listed before trial. They brought in witnesses that weren't listed on the witness list. How do you do that? That was a shitty move. How was that even allowed? They allowed it in. It was Nelson Hughley, as a matter of fact, their star witness. They didn't even have him on the witness list.

And then he comes in and levels the whole thing. And so it's pretty fucking crazy. And they said his lawyer said, my position is that basically if the judge doesn't allow that, then Kilpatrick doesn't get the death penalty. He feels like he said that after all this, a new trial is ordered for kilpatrick as well uh here so it's a four to two ruling on this and it says that uh yeah they're sending him back to trial as well so new trials all around for the uh for the crew here a second trial 1979 uh the old judge from chester's first trial withdraws from the second trial really yeah he said some of his relatives have has have suggested i couldn't be fair in the second trial after

already sentencing to him to death once i couldn't say in good conscious in good conscience what i would do if a second jury recommended mercy he goes i might be tainted so uh he actually steps down and he got a new judge and he said presumably presumably Willis, who's the new judge, doesn't know as much about the case as I do. At least he hasn't already made a capital punishment judgment as I've had, which is, you know, fair enough. That's that's yeah. That's seems like you think a guy should die. Maybe you're not the guy to do the trial so chester's chester's uh murder trial here second time he tells this time he says that he loved his wife more than anything in the world and he denies

hiring hiring nelson for five thousand dollars and any kind of pickup they bring judy barnes in this time judy barnes this time this is hilarious because she's this is good for him, but at the same time bad for his psyche, but good for his case. She says that she was never going to move into that trailer anyway with him and do all of that. So that was never a part of it. She says she never even loved him. Quote, I only wanted his money. Oh, you bitch. You said money oh you understand he's like this is why you don't try to bang 26 year olds when you're in your mid-50s

um just not there's no reason for them to want to have sex with you on the level there's just no less they're benefiting tremendously out of this. Yeah. Or you're a movie star. One of the two. And he's not. He sells bait by a lake in the panhandle. Right. His name is Chester. You weren't in Top Gun.

Sorry. Yeah, it does not happen. And so the defense attorney said that Judy Barnes, again, hired Kilpatrick. He says that, Jesus Christ, he said hired kilpatrick he says that uh jesus christ he said the first statement that he gave that his wife just disappeared walked out the door never came back that's the true one that's the real statement now the other stuff going back to square one garbage yeah now kilpatrick also testifies again obviously this time he is there the defense has allowed unlimited cross examination of him so as to take appeals off the table he even uh allows the defense to recall

kilpatrick as a witness after the state had rested his case so they were like you're not getting off on that you can talk to kilpatrick as much as you fucking damn well please and it ain't gonna change shit so kilpatrick's attorney um here uh said that he was assured that nothing could be used against kilpatrick that he says here because his case is now he's going for a retrial as well so this time he testifies he testifies the same thing nelson hugley was with him blah blah blah steel pipe he also testifies the same thing. Nelson Hughley was with him. Blah, blah, blah. Steel pipe. He also testifies that he saw the figure of a man looking out of the window of a trailer as it was going on. So he said, Chester, watch the whole thing. You asshole, Chester.

Chester, Chester, Chester. So the assistant state attorney here in the closing says, quote, they tried Judy Barnes last time. Now they're going to try Lila May today because they brought up her plots of murder in this trial. So they said that she paid the basically she said, quote, they paid the penalty. She paid the penalty for being jealous, which I guess he called the murder organized and organized planned killing. Let's not go crazy. Let's say it was a killing that was on purpose. Let's say that.

Let's not go with organized and planned. Absolutely. Absolutely planned organization. No, it's bad. Real bad. There's never been that. That's like the worst mob hit in history. We'll leave him in a car for two days in a public place and then we'll go back and figure it out and we'll leave him tied you ever

seen the sopranos when they kill big pussy they don't leave him hanging off the side of the boat he's all the way in the water and also you don't leave a body in your trunk somewhere like not your car that's the other thing that's a bad his own car he just left his own car with a body in it for two days rottingting in the Florida heat. And then was like, we should probably get that out of there, huh? Yeah. You think? So, Jesus Christ, man.

He called it an organized plan, went over the whole plot. July 1st, 1979, so three days to the day from his arrest, is the verdict here. And he is found guilty after only an hour of deliberation which is pretty fucking wild here um that's pretty interesting the uh yeah 70 minutes it turned it's eight women four men on the jury and uh he's 62 years old at this point and uh they said the sentencing. This is the prosecutor. The sentencing is more important than this one. They said, I'm confident that the defense says I'm confident we can get a life sentence.

Now, the death penalty is, again, a reality in Florida. He's saying, though, he thinks he thinks that we're only going to get life this time. Fingers fucking crossed here. He's saying so. The defense attorneys ask the second jury for mercy. They ask for mercy. Rather than deny it, they ask for mercy. How do they base it on?

Not on he's got grandkids, he was in World War II. He got duped. He's got duped. None of that. This is amazing. Their request is based on mortality tables. What? That indicate that the average life expectancy of a 62-year-old man is another 14 years and 285 days.

For the day. Wow. They're like, that's what we expect him to live for. We've got a death date for him already. Just for life. Why go through all this? And there's going to be appeals's gonna be appeals gonna cost millions of dollars and all this stuff and what are you gonna is he's gonna die in the electric chair six months earlier than he would have dropped that anyway who cares we already we already know to the day the average time he's

gonna die yeah that's you know come on he said quote if you don't recommend the electric chair this man will die in rayford, which is the prison. He's like, either way, he's dead, though. Don't worry about him. And the the assistant attorney, though, the state's attorneys told the jury that the Coxwell case involved aggravating circumstances that warranted the death penalty. Dare you fuck a 26 year old. So after less than one hour, Jesus Christ, less than one hour they've come back with their recommendation you sir may fuck off he is sentenced uh they recommend he be spared the electric chair and sentenced to life in prison this time just stay there forever just just stay there for fucking ever so uh he is and ends up being sentenced to life in prison he will be eligible

for parole in 25 years okay so at the you know the spry age of 87 he can hit the streets and you know 2001 get out there yeah so by the way keep that in mind when he's eligible for parole okay so uh 2001 2002 he stood uh he said he stood him he stood there and got a sentence and he seemed happy to not be sentenced to death okay now july of 1980 is george kilpatrick's second trial yeah and uh they are uh during this whole thing he testified in the second trial of of Chester without with his trial and sentencing looming before him. Yeah. So for him to do that is a big get for the for the state. You know what I mean? Because he's fucking himself. so the state assistant state attorney william meg said the state's agreement to ask for clemency for kilpatrick in the death penalty would remain in effect they said they would do that they'd ask for

they'd ask for clemency on him he said that he was told um uh he said that if chester gets off they he said it i'm sorry kilpatrick if he said if Chester gets off, he doesn't see how they can electrocute me. How are they going to electrocute me? He got life. So anyway, the lawyer agreed. He said that it would be difficult for the state to electrocute him if Coxwell wasn't also sentenced to death. He said the state's attorney contended that Hughley only went along for the ride. They brought that up again.

Now, the motion, though, to basically his lawyer puts out a motion that says no matter what, he doesn't get the death penalty here. We got to keep that on there. And the judge goes, not so fast. I don't think so. Not sure about that. He made an agreement on May 30th, 1979, signed by Assistant State Attorney William Meggs, Willie Meggs.

So that's he made a fucking agreement with the state. As far as he knew, he was agreeing and not getting the death penalty. And the judge goes, I mean, that's one state's attorney says that that doesn't mean that I have to abide by. That's literally what the judge said. Like, that's not really my problem. So he said then Kilpatrick testified in Coxwell's trial. He thought all along the death penalty was precluded. So, um, the, finally the judge said though, the agreement does not rule out the possibility of the death penalty for Kilpatrick.

So that's bonkers. He made a fucking agreement in good faith. That's bullshit. So, um, he, during this trial, Kilpatrick paints a picture of an atmosphere of intimidation in the jail. He says that led him to make false statements about his part in the murder. Oh, no. Yeah. He said that Judy Barnes was getting out of the hospital, wanted to move in with Coxwell and all that.

And so his lawyer said, who had the motive to kill Mrs. Coxwell? And they said Chester Coxxwell not not this guy he said uh kilpatrick told him a uh now the the juror the defense attorney is telling the jury that kilpatrick is claiming that a one of the cops held a gun to his head while he was questioned okay he's saying they held a gun to his head and this was denied by the prosecution. They said they denied that he was coerced in any way. The one sheriff said that he had offered Kilpatrick coffee and donuts before he made his first incriminating statement. And they said that was an example of how he was treated. So the defense attorney said, here you have a black man accused of killing a white woman in Bristol.

Can you believe that offering coffee and donuts is all that was going on in that jail? Seven of the jurors were black, by the way, during this trial. And they're going, I never heard of that shit before. Now, in this type of situation, because he's already had a trial and shit like that, they might have given him donuts to try to entice something out of him. Like, hey, we're all on the same side, Mr. Testifying on our behalf type of shit. That's possible.

And they could have also held a gun to his head if he didn't like sprinkles. I don't know what the fuck goes on in a mid-70s Florida interrogation room in rural Panhandle area, you know? Sure. So either way, I'm uncomfortable with it, though. I'll tell you that much. I don't like i just don't i don't know i i don't i don't like that they took so much of the tapes away i wish they would have just kept all that uh together too i'd love to know what was said in between yeah and they did that chester had all his tape but they stopped tape

for both nelson and george it's not right there's tape stoppages the whole time, which I don't, that's, there's something up there. I don't like that at all. So, July 31st, 1980, which, I mean, George fucking killed this lady, so he definitely should be going to jail, but I don't believe that he should get the death penalty for this shit. I just, he's

not a bloodthirsty fucking, you know, I'm gonna kill all the people. He, you know, I think he was pressured into it by a guy. I don't think he's real sophisticated. No. You know what I mean? He's not. He's clearly not very educated.

Whatever. Yeah. Education he had was cut short somewhere. Absolutely. Or it was piss poor if you didn't teach him how to fucking read. So anyway, July 31st, 1980, the verdict comes in and he is found guilty yeah of first degree murder the sentencing phase though is they finally make an agreement the prosecution basically talks the judge into taking the death penalty off the table because it's like look we promised this fucking

guy i the one prosecutor was like i'm the one who signed it i cannot get up in front of a fucking jury and say you gotta kill this guy i can't like i'm an asshole if i do that my signature is right there yeah like you can't go up and say that with a straight face and look like you're this guy honorable guy and then have the defense guy come defense attorney give his closing and hold up a document and go here's a guy that guy being dishonest as fuck. How are you going to trust him for anything if we can't trust him? How are you? So anyway, you, sir, may fuck off.

He's sentenced to life in prison again, or also, I should say. So also eligible for parole in 25 years as well. So that's come and gone. I can't find George Kilpatrick at all. He is a tough puppy to track down, so I don't know what's going on with him. 1983 comes around. This is three years after Chester's second conviction. Right.

All right, 1983. Chester gets married in prison. Who the fuck is marrying this guy in prison what does he have to offer did he just put uh widower on his on his uh on his profile like how do you you gotta ask about that right it's fucking insane how'd she die well that's why i'm here well interesting thing here you'd never believe it this big n-word came out of his car i mean that's i don't know if he pulled that shit they railroaded me all i know is this guy is an older guy i'll post pictures of him on the social media he's not like you know george clooney 50s handsome he's he looks like a fucking crazy looking toothless old man who sells you bait before you go fishing the amount

of fucking game this guy must have he's the quintessential bait shop salesman it's why he's got to have some fucking game and he's got to be slinging some dick but even here it's got to be game because he can't be slinging dick to this lady no how's he gonna do do that? Right. So her name is Eldora. He marries her. She's a witch. Eldora. That's what she sounds like, a witch. I don't know anything about Eldora, but they stay married for the duration. Wow.

Finally, January the 14th, 2003, Chester dies in prison. So right after his, a couple of years after his parole first came up, they denied and he died. He doesn't make it out. Let me let me read you his his obituary. By the way, not one word of spending the last 20, 30 years of his life in prison, by the way. Not one word. Not not even fucking mentioned like it didn't happen. prison by the way not one word not not even fucking mentioned like it didn't happen just says chester coxwell 84 a retired wholesale fish bait distributor died tuesday january 14 2003

he's survived by his wife of 20 years eldora coxwell of bristol and then they go on to say he has this many kids stunning not one mention of his first wife never even mentioned wife not mentioned of died in correctional facility nothing none of that none of that doesn't even say mother of all these children preceded him in death like they normally would say didn't even say that leela may did not fucking exist in this obituary it was kind of fucking disgusting I didn't like that at all. Chester Coxwell is buried in the Lake Mystic Cemetery. Right next to the lake that he left the lady at. I'll bet she's in that fucking cemetery.

Well, the picture of his headstone here, he's on there. Coxwell. It says Coxwell, and it's got him, and then it's got another person next to it, who I don't know if that's Eldor, or if that's Leela Mae's plot, I hope it's not her plot, it might have been one of the kids too,

because a couple of the children have died by now too, a couple of the children have passed, one passed in like 2014, I think one passed in 2020, you know, they're getting older now, they're in their 60s for christ's sake 70s some of them right and then uh eldora sanders coxwell his wife of 20 years when he died she finally passes away as well on december 2nd 2020 so she just died she was 92 years old my christ so he found someone his own age essentially

a couple years 10 years younger than him she's born in 28 so that's what he found but not 26 anyway she might have been born in 1926 but she wasn't 26 she's born in 28 actually so not too far off and that everybody is the story of what a crazy place is bristol florida and a crazy murder with a bunch of that was so like confusing because everybody wants to kill everybody so you're like oh no their plot oh no wait now we're talking about their plot my bad and then the one that pans out is maybe the worst one oh of all the plots they discussed yeah i can't imagine one was worse than blow your horn and then when she comes out beat her with a pipe and put her in your trunk i don't think that that's the worst one they could have come up with

come out get all the attention in the world and proceed to beat a woman to death yeah in my front yard her idea of a roadside ambush i I thought, was a lot more relevant. I thought that could have worked. She should have stuck with it. Not that I'm encouraging murder, but I think if Leela Mae stuck with that, she'd probably still be around. Or dead from old age, but she wouldn't have gotten murdered. The glorious bastards did the same way.

That works. So there it is, everybody. that's a crazy ass story that's one of those where i've been saving for a while because i'm like every once in a while we need like a palate cleanser of like we've had a lot of heavy ones and gross ones and all this and i'm like we need some just hillbilly insanity sometimes hillbilly love triangle people are fucking this one is fucking that one and plot to kill it it's ridiculous so that's what i think we have a good time banging old men absolutely so it's a good time for everyone except for leela may i feel bad for her she had it had it rough um but i mean just

it was a mess that was an unsolvable problem they they the whole i mean it's solvable maturely but nobody's mature in the situation. No, no. They're all thinking about pussy and bait and murder. It's all too much. It all smells the same. It's so funny that there was three different, completely independent people figuring out how they were going to murder each other. That's awesome.

That never happens in real life ever. Yeah. So if you like that show, tell the world about it. Get on everything. I don't care. Apple Podcasts, wherever the hell you can rate and review. Yeah. Fucking rate and review.

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You'll get updates as shows either come up or are delayed or whatever the hell happens. And speaking of that, you can get your tickets to live shows, damn it, if you head over to shutupandgivememurder.com. Not only that, merchandise. There's so much merchandise. So much. If you hear, let's say you're listening to the back catalog,

you hear like some crazy shit line and you're like, that's hilarious. There's probably a shirt for it and a mug and a bath mat and some shoes and a backpack. You can get anything. It's great shit. Tote bags.

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And you got to stop one thing. We've had a couple people that have sent us messages about if your shows aren't happening happening what what the fuck you guys are pussies or you guys are this or making it political like we're look we don't have say in shit like that and they're like well your venue some people we've had say your venues better not require vaccination blah blah blah that shit ain't up to us all right that isn't up to i don't know who the fuck everybody thinks we are but we're not we're not Beyonce. I don't know. I'm not whispering in the CDC's ear. I wouldn't know. I can't go demand what fucking what's going to be done either way at our venues for anything. We can't say we demand vaccinations. We can't say we demand no vaccinate. It's not up to us.

It's this fucking venue. Yeah. Yeah. They'd be like, who are you guys again? No. Fuck off. Like, you know, yeah, you've sold out a couple of times, but when you've sold out 12 times, then we'll listen to you. In a row. Shit. In a row.

So we don't have a lot of say in anything, and we're just as fucking. We're idiots. God damn it. We don't. We want to go. Right. We're dope comedians that would love to be on the road making money. Do you understand that?

Do you understand how much this has changed our lives, too? Staying the fuck home? We'd love to be on the road and do these goddamn shows. We're just doing what we have to do to be able to do that. There's no fucking advantage in us not going to the shows. This is frustrating for us as well. Yeah. We don't sit around going, oh, sweet.

You know what? Awesome. I love to. We we were gonna go there and make money that weekend but instead we'll just stay home awesome pretty cool right guess who's got a mortgage too both of us god damn it and also guess who are normal human beings who if there was a fucking room full of a thousand people that if you knew you went out there they would all cheer for you you'd all want to fucking go. Trust me. Yeah.

We're normal people. We're not beyond the point of like where that impresses us to where we're like, who cares if they want to. We're like, holy shit. They like us every fucking time. It makes us feel great. It boosts our mental health for months to do this. It's just good for us. We enjoy it.

We want to see people. We want to interact. We love the live crowd we love putting a joke out and hearing an instant response from people who aren't each other it's fucking phenomenal being stuck in my house binge watching netflix does not pay my bills no don't yeah don't blame us it really it really is trying my best god damn it what one thing that does help pay our bills, though, patreon.com slash crimeandsports.

Yes. You've got to check this out. We have such good shows on there. We really do. We take as much care for those shows as we do for these shows. They're just kind of looser format a little bit, and honestly, they're just fucking hilarious. Check them out. We do two shows every two weeks.

So you get four shows a month at least of bonus material. And this week's the ones you will get. And you'll get access to both shows, Patreon, the whole back catalog, everything like that. This week's you're going to get the Congressional Major League Baseball Steroid Inquiry, which is hilarious to watch players point their fingers and say how innocent they are and then get busted and say what a liar jose canseco was and then have everything every word he said in the book proven out to be true and it's pretty funny anyway and uh then for small town murder one of my favorites of all time a lot of people cover ted bundy yeah you can look up a podcast you would have an just an

innumerable amount of podcasts to scroll through that all cover ted bundy and the murder every angle you all know it you all go oh yeah it's a lot i know that i know that the sorority house he was in everybody knows it we all know everything one angle that i found that has never been talked about in years and years and years and i call it uh ted bundy's wild world of socks is his apparent obsession with socks and underwear yeah for himself he had an obsession about possessing socks and underwear and this this feeds into i believe i believe if you if he had all the socks and underwear he ever wanted none of this would have happened and he would have maybe not been a murderer he could be your congressman right now

rather than yeah a uh a horrible horrible disgusting person who killed lots of women and people so maybe it felt more accomplished you absolutely so yeah check this out it's one of the weirdest things you'll ever hear and uh i don't know it's all out of his mouth so check it all out there patreon.com slash crime and sports and you'll get a shout out at the end of the show as well because shit that's how we show our undying affection for you we can't come out and say thank you individually so we have to do it on the show and that's how that goes and uh if you just want a shout out you can also get a shout out on paypal using our email address crime and sports at gmail.com not only a shout out but our undying

affection of course you can do all that there and i honestly think at this point in time there's only one thing we can do we've had a lot of crazy people wanting to kill each other let's hear about nice things let's hear the name of the fucking most wonderful people in the world who keep this show afloat, whether we get to go on the road or not. Jimmy, hit me with them right now. This week's executive producers are Jordan Bennett, Eric West, Melissa Turner, Abraham Orozco, and Kate Houck. Thank you guys for everything you do.

You're truly amazing people, and it does not go unnoticed. Wow, thank you so much. You're truly amazing people and it does not go unnoticed. Other producers this week are Kelly Higbee, Benjamin Wishall, Beth Scissorwinski. She turned 50. It's not scissor, but it's scissor. Happy birthday, Scissorwinski. Happy birthday, Beth. Scissorwinski.

Jennifer Schaefer, Margaret Eaton in Colorado Springs, Susanna Platt, Fran Hitzke in Australia. Her daughter, she told me a story, and it's the reason. Oh, it was because her daughter heard the list of people, and she was like, what are all those people for? And then Fran was like, those are the producers of the show, the people that donate to the show. She said, oh, I thought it was like Santa's Good List, which it is. It's pretty much Wisman's Good List. It's exactly what it is. Santa's Fuck Yeah List. Not Nottie's. Nicholas Hogan Avila at List. It's exactly what it is. Santa's fuck yeah list. Not naughties.

Nicholas Hogan Avila at Buck Trucking. Thank you so much. Thank you. Janice Hill, Jess Campanella, Lauren Wayne, and Taylor McMorris. Nick Ruggiero, Timmy Withman. What the fuck? Tiffany Gonzalez is the best. Heather Rippey, Clark Laukov.

Sorry, Clark. There's no way that's happening. Ricky Crawford, Alvy Ferguson's mom passed away. I'm sorry, Alvy. Hang in there, man. Marcel Destin, Samantha Quigley, Peyton Meadows, Troy Mattis, James Marder, Rabbi Shmulalovich, Matthew Hollum, Tricia Doty, Ann Walsh, Robert Combs, Chris with no last name, John, oh boy, oh boy, Del Gennh, Robert Combs, Chris with no last name, John Delgenaro, Nicholas Thompson, Jessica Perez, Hillary White, Sarah Occh, Scott Davidson, Josh Wheatley, Cassie Reddington, Maya Johansson, Patrick Pryor, Michael Lane, Matthew Wick-Williams,

Hey Zeus, James Thompson, Christopher Poole, Justin McCart, Michael Shank, Michael Gathouse, Gutthouse, Amanda Autumn, Autumn Tierney. I hope it's Jacob's family. That would be fantastic. Laura Roberts, Tindra Frost, Kevin Gibbons, Amanda Hostlin, Alice Marskell, Marcus Claytor, Riley B., Spike and Ike, Sandon Sandon, Dribny, Megan Bublitz, Aaron with no last name, Molly Day, Sidney Como, Jennifer Mack, Mike Spear, Kyle Olson, Elizabeth Huffnagle Puffer, Haley Iachancey, Cassandra Cronin, Jake Jalovec, Brian Sherman, Tiny Hands, Jamie Hiney, Garley, Louise Tucker, Allison Beal, Gabrielle Williams, Beth with no last name, Jake, nope, that's Jack, McCoy, Derek Nichols, Stephanie Monroe, Isabel Sazats, oh boy, Sazakowski, Jumpy Wackenoff, whatever, Jennifer Sabo, James Hertz, Jeremy Saperstein, Jody Clare, Julia Rick, Sam Walmsley, Carmen Wynan, Debbie McDonald, Reginald Matthews, Laura Gabrielson, Tina Duran, Davina Bell, SWK1DD, Adam Lubbers, Cassie Hanks, Tanisha RN. I imagine she's an RN.

Sabrina Sikorsky-Ross, Joanne Carley, Taylor Carter, Curtis Edwards, Alan Black, Tim Rice, Brittany Batt, Hannah with no last name, Cody Hooten, Thomas Gore, Vincent Black, Keaton McHale, John Tracy, Joe Annie, Anna Clyburn, Kim James, Riley Heimdall-Cheever, Blake Elam, Tom Schutt, Glenn Kelly, Gretchen Hogan, Hagen, Hagen, I'm trying, Natalie Grove, Zachary McCarty, Turd Ferguson, Four Year Puma, Christian Kjorns, Christine Kimiko, Isabel Jackson, Jason Lawrence, Anna Savileva. You just watch his confidence draining as he's reading these. I'm three feet away just watching the man crumble. Kara Robertson, Braden Beck, Robert Davis, James with no last name, Zoe joey joe joe zumpano charlie starley uh katherine davis lauren meadows matthews uh caleb would know last name james woods i hope not tom uh tim gorman joe mcleod uh dylan would know last name ali gary uh katarina moss sarah below

bilio bulio i don't know nilly would nilly all right, Bulio. I don't know. Nilly would. Nilly Abel. I know. They're all right. Belio, Bulio. I don't know. Kick it, motherfucker.

Sorry. Jennifer Shashank, Shashak, Nate Peterson, Patterson, Petterson, Nick, Kevin Coleman, Sherry Backy, Brent with no last name, Desiree Hewlett, Philip Gourney, Miracle Ridge Nigerian Dwarf Goats. That's fucking crazy. I hope that's real. Corey Edwards, Kelsey Gibbons, Shelby Locke, Luke, Hunter Perry, Jeffrey Scott, Ryan Ritza, Christopher Bowen, Jacob Utrecht, Matilda Weaver, Justin slater bailey jones ethan neely charlotte with no last name dustin johnson

david jones uh what is this jason batcher batcher ron kreit kreiger jacqueline ricker becker rackerberry rickervee nine versions of all wrong wrong. Andrew Jones, Gabriel Schifoffer, Devin Patey, Jessica Bowen, Joe Shahan, Luis Fernandez, Kristen Crocker, Jeremy Hyslop,

Paul M, Erica L, Tony Santos, Roger Gist, Brian Strouth, William Rutledge, another big O, Renee Gerusi, Emma Lisk, Austin Shirley, Brian Teet. Nope, that's Trey. Eva Torrance, Sherry Resnick, Joe L., Kylie Wise, Christopher. Nope, that's Craig.

Rustin, Mike Lahady. Lahada. Angus Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Probably not. Shamika Andrews, Kathleen Keim. Kate. Kate Houck. Nick, what is that? Probably not. Cole Buckley, Ananise, Anais, Anise Ron, Desiree Galvez, Ava Cogliostro, Alexandra Lyell, Gabby McClanahan, Karen, and also Favi, Michelle Lee, Mike Pupa, John Schiffer, Jeff Holden, and Emily and Brian, or Mamanga, They're getting married, so congratulations to you.

And obviously all of our patrons. You guys, thank you so much for everything you do. We can't do this without you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, everybody. You're the best. So much. You really are the best, and we really mean that. It is what it is.

I mean, if it wasn't for Patreon, we would be pretty fucked. And so thank you guys. Thanks, everybody, for everything you do for us, because the live shows were kind of how we were making our living. And that's the kind of the dirty secret of podcasting is unless you're, unless you have 10 million listeners,

you don't make a lot of ad money. It's just not there. So, you know, you gotta be able to put on a show elsewhere. And if you can do that, you garner enough audience that will show up to shows. And like you guys do that, and you garner enough audience that will show up to shows, and like you guys do in fucking droves,

that's how you can really pay your way. And that's how we were doing it, and now we aren't. So the ones of you that are taking care of us via Patreon and PayPal donations, you're making our lives enriched. You're fixing it. Absolutely. You are absolutely the life resetters and we can't thank you enough and we hope those uh bonus episodes are what you're looking for we really do um we thank the shit out of everybody for it because jimmy's right i mean that's we

we uh as comedians you work for years and years and years to be good on stage and you work to then i realize these are you know uh the fucking lamest problems to have but if you work and work and work and work you're just working to try to get to the point where people want to pay money to come see you do comedy and that's when the real work begins yeah but i mean that's the goal that's what you're trying to get to to where it's a viable thing for you and you could you feel like you're going to have a career here and we worked for years to get to this point of to where we can sell out a tour and a theater tour and then it is just fucking dash from us so you trust us we really want to do this so thank you for everybody who's trying to just trying to help us out and all

that sort of thing jimmy what if they wanted to get a hold of you and tell you whatever the fuck? You can find me on the Internet at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter and Instagram. Thank you guys truly. And Jordan, by the way, Jordan Bennett got a new job. So congratulations to anybody who, through this awful shit, is thriving, and especially Jordan in Canada. We love Jordan and Simon.

I don't want to tell where she got a job. It's a great fucking job, though. Congratulations they're nice people they really are simon and jordan are fucking amazing people that's that's an extra shout out they're they're exemplary of our audience because our audience is normal hard-working fucking rad people and that's the other thing i don't want to fuck i can't afford to kill any of you guys so i'd really like to do this by the book and keep all you guys safe. That's the fact. We don't want any shit to be our fault.

We're going with omission bias on this one. It's not our fault. So, yeah, they can get a hold of you, Wisman sucks. Yeah, where are you? At Jimmy P is funny. You just Google the show and you'll figure out where the fuck you can find us. We're out there. It's not like we're hiding or anything.

We're not on the lam. So, yeah, you can pretty much find us. Small Town Murder Hosts. There we go. the fuck you can find us we're out there it's not like we're hiding or anything we're we're not on the lam no so uh yeah you can pretty much find a small town murder host there we go you're gonna find us both so thank you folks so much for joining us this week and hearing about a crazy florida story second only to west virginia and nuttiness i would say west virginia has overtaken them i feel like as the they don't get enough credit for being batshit fucking lunatics up there especially on our show that's the thing on our show they're they're they're the kings and it's just not they gotta be acknowledged that florida is so uh blatant with their stupidity that it just robs them of the of the bottom rung they just tuck in there above virginia and nobody

sees them so uh that said, everybody, thank you again so much for joining us. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.