Small Town Murder - #238 - The Devil, The Darkness & The Cheerleader - Malvern, Arkansas

Episode Date: August 26, 2021

This week, in Malvern, Arkansas, a young woman leaves her home to go see her boyfriend, for a little while, but she never shows up. The only trace of her is her car, which is left on the side of the road, locked. This causes incredible panic, and a widespread search, that eventually finds a body. The crime is a true mystery, until investigators get a huge break, and find an absolute monster, with a history of unspeakable crimes, and somehow, it just continues to get stranger from there! Along the way, we find out that they don't make many bricks, anymore, that criminals tend to eventually learn not to leave witnesses, and that it's suspicious to walk into a store, with your overalls covered in blood!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  New episodes every Thursday!  Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail]  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!  Follow us on...  twitter.com/@murdersmall  facebook.com/smalltownpod  instagram.com/smalltownmurder  Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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you don't put them together they're separate we don't think you could eat something with gravy on it and you could have vodka but you don't put gravy in your vodka that would be different so you can make jokes separate of someone getting dismembered that's what we do here you know that's not funny we know the funny parts and they're not the murder part that's right we go out of our way jimmy out of our way not to make fun of the victim's family or the victim because we're assholes but we're not scumbags. There you have it. That's how it works. We're just

assholes with weird analogies. So if that sounds good to you, welcome aboard. We're going to have a good time. If not, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, give it a shot. Maybe you'll like it. Maybe not. Don't complain afterwards. Life's much harder than this. That's it. So that said, it's time to sit back everybody

and shout shut up and give me murder all right there we go great let's go on a trip shall we surprise not taking a trip right now let's do this jimmy let's go on through we are coming from new york last week with a just a wild episode and a lot of debate within our small town murder community. Not fighting amongst each other, but just like talking like, well, I don't know about this because they're talking about the insanity law of last week that, you know, it's like, well, yeah, if you hold it to the law. Yes. But people were like, but I still think he's nuts. You know, yeah. Cuckoo Cocoa Pants. And there's also the part of like people, mental health touches so many of our lives.

And when you have experience with it, your judgment on what constitutes crazy versus what doesn't is you have a different perspective on this. The law doesn't take into account personal anecdotal evidence. They just take what they feel medically. And unfortunately, that's the only thing we can go by. Also, his crime was kind of a head shaker. So it kind of seemed a little more out there. We'll put it this way. If he had done what he did to a seven-year-old girl instead of a 56-year-old guy with arthritis,

I don't think as many people would have been... You know what i mean i think that would have been harder and that's not a because i don't know either way i just that's the law i don't know anything about it so but uh anyway it was nice to hear people kind of going back and forth and debating it conversation matters man absolutely and when you keep it keep it civil and disgusting they weren't in a tone of nobody yelled nobody got called names it just nobody called each other a twat or anything. It was amazing. We kept it at the tone of, this is how I feel, this is how you feel. It was beautiful.

Very impressive. So today we are heading on down to Arkansas. Oh my. Yeah, buddy, let's do this. Malvern, Arkansas. Yikes. I know you've all been there. It's everybody's summer vacation spot, I'm sure.

Take all the kids to mel verne this isn't named after two different guys mal and verne mal and that's verne over there central arkansas this is where all the good stuff is it's about 45 minutes to little rock there which is you know i guess what what's going on the happening place and yeah in uh in in arkansas at least the capital about four hours to dallas which is kind of the nearest big city besides little rock is that there's nothing else close it's like nashville to the east oklahoma city dallas nothing's close so four cities in arkansas are like not it's fascinating it's a lot of small and that's a yeah that's a

big town that's a big city to them. Pine Bluff has 40,000 people. Yeah, that's what it is. Fascinating state. It is. Three hours and 15 minutes to Marmaduke, Arkansas, which was episode 173, which was our last episode, May of 2020. It's been a while. Been a while since we've been to Arkansas. Another thing Arkansas has is maybe the worst roads in the country.

If you drive on the 40, you're just like, holy shit, I can't wait to get to Oklahoma, which is very rarely said. And it's said as you're driving through Arkansas. Yeah. Because it is a fucking, they have not, I don't know if they're trying to make you like break down so they could come and like take you or into the woods or some shit or what, but not good for your car. And those roads are federally funded. Where are you channeling the money, Arkansas?

I don't know. It's bad on the 40s it always is i've been across it like four times and over the span of like 15 years terrible every time they haven't fixed it they don't have the the the terrible weather they have there are tornadoes obviously and hurricanes well they get snow it gets really hot and really cold they They get it all. And the flooding. Yeah, they've got everything. I'm wrong. They have everything. Every reason for the roads to be pieces of shit. Weather-wise, it's the worst place you could be because it's 100 degrees and humid in the summer.

It's snowing in the winter. You get floods. You get tornadoes. You get it all, like you said. This is in Hot Spring County. Oh, baby. Hot Spring. Area code 501.

It's about 10 square miles, so it's kind of a big area. It kind of encompasses a couple of smaller, like, township-type deals. The motto here, and this is their motto, quote, the brick capital of the world. All right. They used to make bricks here. Okay. Their other motto, which is, you know, not lesser known, is we don't make shit here anymore, which is, you know just not lesser known is we don't make shit here anymore which is you know we used to make bricks that's not true anymore so history of this town buildings that are made out of concrete now fuck yeah damn it goddamn wood and concrete yeah and glass

everything on bricks so it was read the three little pigs we we thought that was a good idea it's better than straw at the time those are the options they're like brick or straw well so melvern founded in 1870 by railroad companies which is what happens a lot of the time so many of these towns kind of as you go out west were founded because they needed like a place in between railroad stops essentially so uh the uh it officially became the county seat of hot spring in 1870 uh 1878 the initial inhabitants of the county were the original native americans that lived here right and then trappers hunters you know hill folk of the time and then people people who came in to farm so this was a yeah it was a kind of a wild and woolly place in the 1870s especially the railroad known

as the diamond joe line oh baby and i have that there it uh it was established by a chicago businessman and that ended up they were trying to the guy who built it had had stagecoach rides that he was pissed off about because they were bumpy bad roads even then in Arkansas and so he literally was so rich he was like build a fucking railroad from here to here I am sick and tired of this bumpy road he's that rich he's like Jerry Seinfeld when they kept raising his rates in a New York City parking garage so he just bought the entire garage he's that rich he's like jerry seinfeld when they kept raising his rates in a new york city parking garage so he just bought the entire garage he's like you know what i'll take the whole thing i'm tired of this shit let's not nickel and dime each other yeah he's so rich he's just like

just build me a railroad from here to there i don't care if anyone else takes it he's the jeff bezos with the space tick that's what this is yep he like, I need to go from there to there. Right. So it was the closest railroad station to Hot Springs was Malvern. And it became like a kind of an in-between transfer point for people as they came through here. It was the only railroad into Hot Springs for 15 years. Is that right? So there's one rail coming into town, and that's it. Bleak. For how long?

15 years. A stretch of 15 years. During World War II, Malvern lost a ton of their people to California. They all went to Los Angeles. Really? It's like, yeah. People always think of L.A., and they're like, oh, it's all like hippies and hipsters and this sort of thing. There are more rednecks in California than probably any other state because there's 30 million people in California.

Because there's a lot of people, right. Anything two miles in from the ocean is – Oh, it's rednecks. It's redneck-y. And it's because, A, the Dust Bowl movement west after there. If you read – there's a million things you could read of that. I've said it before. Nelson Algren book has a thing on that.

But you can do that. Or during World War Two, they came also for the jobs. There was a shitload of war jobs, basically. So if you were living in a depressed area and if you were coming out of the Depression, Arkansas took longer to come out of the Depression than some places. You know, some of these middle of the world, middle of the country places. So we are throwing bricks in this war. No, there's no's no damn it i wish they would drop bricks from these planes instead of bombs can you put one brick in every bomb maybe to wait it'll take it down faster they really tried brick is shrapnel i don't know they presented that plan to congress they didn't bite

apparently so there was a couple of residents found work there and wrote home saying they got jobs for 88 cents an hour, which was like a shitload of money. And in Arkansas was unheard of. You had to be like, you know, the fucking judge to get paid. Damn dollars awake. Yeah. So they were freaking out. So basically, people just swarmed. There's a couple of letters, word spread.

Next thing you know, people were packing up the cars and driving out there. In 1954, all the black people in Sheridan, which is a nearby town, were moved to Malvern. Really? What? As a way to make, they wanted to make it an all-white town in Sheridan. That was their goal. So they moved. The owner of the sawmill guy named Jack Williams.

He told the black employees that they could either accept his offer to give them their homes, to give him their homes and he'd move them to Malvern and get them over there. Or he would fire them, quote, evict them and burn their home down. Those were their options.

Give me your home and I'll get you another one in the other town or I'll fire you and burn your home down. Those were their options. Give me your home and I'll get you another one in the other town or I'll fire you and burn your home down. Those are your options. So most of the black people went to Malvern. That's how that happened. We'll take the home purchase. Reviews of this town. Five stars here. People love it.

Some people. Malvern is a great place to live. The people are very friendly. Wish we could see some growth in our town that we could restore the downtown and our building could get occupied again. Apparently they own a building downtown. We need to get more businesses other than pizza, Mexican food and dollar stores. We do have a nice river park to visit. But that doesn't sound like a five star review, but it is. Here's one.

Four stars. Still loving it. Quote. I grew up here all my life and everyone knows everyone exclamation point you seem very happy about that we're a small town with a main street still having some storefronts we're trying to grow our community and our income through our town by the way those storefronts are pizza mexican food and dollar stores according to the last review uh we are all very close and everyone knows each other's family. So it's not so it's like we're one big family. Exclamation point. Gross.

Two stars. Malvern has a lot of drug and violence problems as a whole. And there aren't as many positives about it compared to the negatives. There aren't as many positives about it compared to the negatives. For example, at the time of writing this, the city is planning on tearing down a large portion of the historical Main Street in order to build a new police department. Well, that solves the dollar store conundrum from the two reviews ago. And as someone who has grown up in the area, it breaks my heart. That's about that.

Here's another two stars. Quote, more jobs. It's the first sentence more jobs i don't know whether they're saying there is more they'd like more they're angry there's more but there's more it's a demand i think with all of the closings of local businesses malvern sometimes looks like a ghost town run by cops who think they are above the law themselves the city doesn't this guy has a bunch of tickets the city doesn't require or mandate people to keep their lawns cut and trash out of their yard it's just really turning into a rundown old town

that's not a positive review day malvern that's what it sounds like yeah training day malvern holy shit two stars here quote malvern is getting bad in the scene of drugs and violence it's dangerous to have kids walking the street oh now we'll talk about the crime rates later on but this is what they're saying this seems like a town that used to have no crime because it was a small town and now there's like an average amount of crime and they're like the fucking sky is falling you know it's like that's you're joining the rest of us now um daily i see young children and old skipping school and going to jail why why are there old people and children young and old skipping school okay okay old children they're the problem of old children old children are called adults yeah well no no i got a cousin

who's 36 still in the 11th grade it's really hard on him it's tough sometimes he has to skip school you know when his kid needs to go to the doctor or something he's got to skip it's tough i myself would rather not live in arkansas for the rest of my life and i want and once i leave malvern again i will not be looking back i'd much rather build my life elsewhere all righty then that's that uh population of this town it's kind of has its ebbs and flows, really. We can see between 1940 and 1950 when the war, like I said, they went for jobs. They lost almost half their population. Wow.

Not that much, but they went from 8,000 people to 5,000 people. That's like 35%, 40%. That's a lot. Big drop. But then they've been growing steadily. A population of this town, 10,788 right now. Okay. that's that's a 35 40 that's a lot big drop but then they've been growing steadily a population of this town 10 788 right now okay decent sized town it's up 20 since 2000 so it's growing male and female populations are way out of whack with the norms here lots of dudes huh

normally yeah it's about 51 female here 56 male that is heavy that's a lot of guys man that is a sausage party town what the hell is happening that's a bad ratio everybody you need to put some incentives in put some billboards up free houses for women i know something fuck is that 44 percent women is that that is it's 44 percent women that's not enough not good that's not enough women there that's bad shit um bad stuff median age here is right about on track it's 38 so that's just about normal a lot of people in their 20s and 30s not a lot of children not a ton of elderly people either just kind of a lot of 20s and 30s married population low it's normally 50 50 here it's about 43 percent uh single with no children

higher than normal really it's 10 percent here 15 percent one of our most swinging towns we've had so far but they're all dudes that's the problem they're all dudes they have no children because there's no women left right to impregnate they've all been impregnated by others uh race of this town uh 61 white which is right about at the national average uh more black people in the national average though 20 29.7 black well yeah it's a lot of black people in town actually about 3 000 black people uh 0.4 asian not a lot of asian people here at all that is not a a lot. 6.1% Hispanic. It's white and black. It's a southern

town. Religion in this town, actually, less than you'd imagine. Normally, it's 50-50. Here, I think it's because it's younger people, but it's low. 48%. Really? Absolutely. But 34.6% of the people are of course Baptists.

Baptists are, as we know, the Catholics of the South, obviously. So that's how that works. Couple.3% Catholic. They're having none of that shit around here. Don't you dare. Get your ethnic ass away from me. And they think Irish is ethnic back there. Not good.

Couple of Methodists, a Pentecostal or two. 0.0% Jewish. That's not going down here. Last election, Hot Spring County. It's a rural county, so you would vote as you'd expect it to. It's just going along with the pattern of the rest of the country. It's 24% voted Democrat in the last election, 73% Republican. So it's a conservative kind of kind of county unemployment

rate here is low actually uh rest of the country right now it's about six percent here it's less than five but uh medium median household income also low is the problem uh 57 652 is the national average here 31 516 i just i16. I don't know how. That's low. That's rough for a household. 62% of people make $40,000 or less. That's rough. I can't.

Well, here, the only way I can think is the cost of living. And cost of living here, regularly in the rest of the country, $100 is average, regular. Here it is $68. So pretty low. Very cheap, yeah. And the housing is a 29 out,000 out of $100,000. There you go. Median home cost, $68,100.

That is how you do it right there. It's goddamn laughable. Jimmy, living in Phoenix where you can't get a one-bedroom apartment for less than $1,500 a month, you go, how the hell do you survive on $31,000? That's the only way. Oh, boy. Rent, James, is like $1,700 here for a house, and it's not a good house. No, it's in a bad neighborhood.

That averages about $20,000 a year in rent. Yeah, and you will hear gunshots plenty of times. You're going to hear helicopters then looking after the gunshots. You're going to hear all sorts of that shit. If you can afford that's in three years that's 60 grand that you could buy a house in this place yeah that's what i mean incredible makes sense 82 of the houses are valued at 150 000 or less wow so it's uh if we've convinced you you want to be looking for a quiet place with a with a main street that's not quite renovated

we have for you the Malvern, Arkansas real estate report. Your average two bedroom rental here goes for, you ready for this, Jimmy? Two bedrooms, $561. Holy shit. Someone would let you sleep in their back seat of their car in phoenix in their garage when it's 110 outside for that much money they found a three bedroom one bath 1168 square foot little house okay nice little house three bedroom one bath you know uh decent nice

nice floors good wood like nice hardwood floors in it look original very nice great little starter home you know just got together just had a kid or something good stuff 59 900 bucks for this wow cheap not bad um my first house was that same square footage same floor everything uh and it cost me 140 000 yeah that's exactly right i found found a four, and that was when Phoenix was still normal. 2003, yeah. I found a four-bedroom, two-bath, 2,139-square-foot house. Needs some work, but it actually looks worse from the outside than it really is. The outside's the worst part of it.

Inside, it doesn't look bad. Like, you could move right in and start fixing shit up. It's not torn apart or anything. Almost 2,200 square feet, $79,900 900 bucks fuck out of here that's amazing i mean you could do a lot of that work yourself and be in then i found you're doing very well here you made all the bricks i found a six bedroom six bath tea bowl for each and every b-hole you gotcha 7,088 square feet oh my over an acre of property just a brick mansion beautiful uh some rooms could use an update but it's it's still really big beautiful big huge windows 674,900 bucks that is so affordable that's for that, not affordable for human beings like us, but if you were

looking for a $675,000 house, that's way better house than you're going to get most places for that price. That's the biggest house you're going to get for that dollar in America. Absolutely. I found things to do. First of all, the Hot Spring County Fair and Rodeo

for each fall. I don't have to tell you what happens there. Oh, they love a rodeo for each fall i don't have to don't have to tell you what happens there oh they love a rodeo there then i found the arkansas heritage festival oh boy i hate that it's uh the festival will be a free two-day event the uh there'll be a vendors and all this type of shit woodland's auditorium will feature different speakers every hour who will cover a range of topics on what all Arkansas has to offer. Speakers include, are you ready to buckle in, Jimmy? Rex Nelson. I know you've been dying to say, for free.

Rex Nelson for free? Are you fucking kidding me? Guy and Anna Lancaster. I mean, that cements it for me right there. A couple? Both of them, huh? They're both there. Lisa Carey and, oh, Lisa Carey of the Coleman Quartz Mines. So that's important. Holy shit. it for me right there couple both of them huh both they're both there uh lisa carrie and oh

lisa carrie of the coleman quartz mines so that's important holy shit um holly hope will be there from arkansas preservation that is not a porn star no and uh also terry diggs is coming so i mean that is a porn star that's she i'm sorry but that is a boy he's a man it's a very large penis porn star it's huge uh they'll have two event stages arkansas folk music will be there charlie moore will be performing i don't know who the fuck that is uh there'll be entertainers all sorts of shit there's like a miss heritage festival competition gross gil grand was gonna do johnny cash covers it's a it's quite the event and also he'll do covers of johnny cash glenn campbell and conway twitty no one else no one else you got any marty robbins fuck you stick cool water up your ass motherfucker i don't do marty robbins

i do glenn campbell johnny cash and conway mother fucking twitty read with the twitty but you play you play gang glenn campbell i will fucking choke you you want to hear rhinestone cowboy from a cover band come on jimmy it's a tick it's this the concert is a ticketed events tickets are 25 are twenty five dollars for that. How insulting. I think that's what we charge. Fuck that. We make up our own material.

At least we make up our own shit. Yeah, we should do. We should just do any any other podcast. We'll just do. We'll write it down. We will commit it to memory and we will just do somebody else's podcast. Just do a cover podcast. That's what we do. We're just going to sing Conway Twitty just do somebody else's podcast. That's it. Just doing that. We're a cover podcast. That's what we do.

We're just going to sing Conway Twitty songs. That's what we're going to do. You don't like it? We're going to do four hours of me and James doing back and forth dueling Rogans. Okay. Doing Twitty. I think we do Twitty tunes back and forth. I like it.

Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in the the awful crime that's driving people from it based on the reviews property crime just about average uh slightly high maybe but just about average violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is just about average maybe a hair low so crime is average in this town that's what i mean it's an average whatever so that said let's talk about a day when it wasn't so average. Let's talk about a murder. Yes, we should. I think we should get into this.

Okay. Now let's go back in time a bit here. See, this is what I like about this show, too, is you never know when we're going to be. We don't know where. We don't know when. Seriously, we could be in Idaho in 2007 or we could be in you know mississippi in uh 1973 you know who the hell knows it's anything's possible so the only thing you know for sure is why we're there you know why we're there and in arkansas you can you have to

you have to it's a sliding scale of time if it's let's say we're in the year 2000 you have to picture 88 in your head and that's arkansas you know i mean it's a sliding scale of time. If it's let's say we're in the year 2000, you have to picture 88 in your head. And that's Arkansas. You know, it takes a while for things. Arkansas is the last place anything gets to from either coast. It's really here. Are we there? Ninety three.

OK. Nineteen ninety three. We're here. They don't even have they don't even have Tweety Bird and Tasmanian Devil shirts with them dressed like gangsters yet. No, not even that yet. No, no, no. They don't have hip-hop bugs.

No, they have, like, you know, Bart Simpson shirts still that are still hot around there probably. I eat my shorts shirts. A lot of those, or El Bardo, or, you know, I don't know. Do you remember that one? It's got the mask on. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. Yeah, it looks like Batman essentially.

93, so you've got to think about that. It looks like Batman, essentially. 93, so you've got to think about that. I'm probably very much into Sega Genesis at this point. I'm 12 and loving Street Fighter. Yeah, I'm playing basketball a lot. I'm doing a lot of Super Nintendo and basketball. Playing a lot of Madden.

You're going to be very disappointed in me, James, but I was certainly wearing a Dallas Cowboys shirt. Oh, Jesus, Jimmy. What the hell happened there? I liked Michael Irvin. I did. That much to get a shirt? So we're going to go back to October of 1993. Okay.

So fall of 93, we are going to talk about a young lady here who is not much older than us. Julie Diane Heath is her name. She is born on June 11th, so the day before my birthday. Interesting. 1975. She goes by Julie Diane, probably. Everybody in Arkansas has two first names. Has two names.

She just goes by Julie because they were like, and she was mad. She's like, why didn't you give me a one-syllable second name? Yeah. That way I could have been like Julie Ann or something or like Julie Lee. If your name was James William, they'd call you Jim Billy. Jim Billy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Diane, there nothing short for julie die doesn't really work that well so julie diane she's like i guess i'll just go by julie fine uh julie is a cool young lady from what i understand here she's 18 years old she just just got done with high school which uh you know

that's a you feel like you're really right the whole world is just this giant on-ramp at that moment in time for you especially if you finish high school at 18 in arkansas you are valedictorian you're doing great and she was she was uh she's a high school cheerleader she was a you know varsity cheerleader she's a you know pretty young girl um she wants to be she has a goal of being a police officer one day that's what she wants to do with herself here which is a it's just you say wow because you don't think you know cheerleader police officer but I guess it's rare what the hell's the difference yeah yeah that's you have to be athletic to be a cheerleader why not really strong I mean it's not

makes sense not that not that uh women that that are police officers or firemen are are have to be shaped like a man to do it. You know what I mean? It's just rare that you see the girl that's a cheerleader who obviously is the prim and proper, very feminine. Yeah, that's a police officer's outfit. A police officer's outfit is not feminine. It does not make you look feminine. There's no femininity to it.

That doesn't matter to her. It's not her thing. She's pretty cool, it sounds like. She works two jobs currently. She just got out of school, and she's working, trying to make some money. She works number one at Taco Bell. Right. Which, I worked for Taco Bell in 1995, I understand.

Everybody's got to start, James. I know the struggle. I know when they say, hey, why don't you take this metal thing. Yeah, these beans have been, there's been heat under this for like 12 hours. Take that and scrape the beans off it under 400 degree water, would you? That's a fun fucking day. That's great. Just scrape.

No, I know it's not going to come off for a while. You got to hold it under the water and just keep scraping and eventually you'll hit metal. Just keep going down. I've done that. I know it's going to take four hours. We're paying you by the hour. Just keep doing it. Miserable over there. I've done that. I know it's going to take four hours. We're paying you by the hour. Just keep doing it. Miserable over there.

It will cost us less money to have you do it than it would to buy a machine that can do that. Do you know why they put me over there, by the way? The beans are so caked on, there's no machine that will take them off. That's why they have to get a part. They have a thing you put them through, but these have to be done. They put me over there. I was initially on the taco line. Yeah.

You know, I was putting tacos together. I, as you know, Jimmy, I'm really particular about things. Yeah. Everything pretty much. But the way I put the show together, we go, oh, that's really stuff. That's how I put a taco together too. Like I have, there's no difference to me that a show that hundreds of thousands of people listen to.

You're the guy that's making me sit in the drive-thru line for five minutes for three tacos. Cause you want it nice. But when you open those tacos, you'd be like, Jesus fucking take forever. Then you'd open and go, Oh wow, that's really nice. It's a really nice taco. I'm telling you. Cause I want it to be right.

Like if you walk on our taco Supreme, I'm not just going to squirt sour cream across the thing. I would like hold it up and it would be like a perfect thing of sour cream across it it was caulking gun that yeah they have a caulking gun that's exactly it's literally in a caulking gun right and they had the regular in the light and then uh then i'd put the everything would be the perfect thing so my food was the most beautiful food taco bell ever put out but game puck of taco problem is the manager was like it's just got to be fast. I'm like, yeah, but it's going to be terrible then.

It has to be. I actually said to him, I think they're going to appreciate a nicer taco. I was 15, 16 years old. They're paying 39 cents, James. They want slop. Well, I was challenging the entire fast food concept is what I was doing. I just got a job. It was like my first day, and I'm like, everything that you've been doing that's made this company a success for, you know, and have 4,000 locations.

I don't think we should do it that way. I really think we should slow everything down and make quality tacos. It's not that we should just do it all different. Just do it, you know, better and slow. I feel like just better. Just slow everything down a little bit. And he was like, tell you what, take this pan

and go over there. Make it look nice. Take all the time you want. Make it perfect. Don't care. So I went across the street and got a job at a pizza place instead. I did that on my lunch break with beans on me.

And I went back and was like i'm not cleaning these beans anymore i quit like how'd you do that i went across the street so anyway she works at taco bell and also at a jean factory oh jeans pants yeah yeah i don't know what company but a factory that yeah a factory that makes jeans brett Favre's overseeing it, just watching his dick out. And she saved up and earned enough money to buy a car as well. Wow. And there are varying accounts of what it is, whether it's a 1967, and we don't know whether it's a Mustang or a Camaro.

But it's cool as shit is what it is that's pretty cool i've heard more mustang than camaro so i'm gonna go with we'll just say mustang they're similar anyway camaro but the 67 mustang is the girl that drives that is much cooler than the 67 camaro i don't know about that no i'd rather have a camaro than a mustang yeah because you're a dude i guess the mustang plays to ladies more yeah you know what i guess that's why i want it yeah yeah for me if i'm looking like a cool chick i'd be like that chick with the camaro is badass you know what i mean i was thinking i had a well didn't think about i understand that anybody who's paid attention

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Got that one right. So she buys this car. It's beat up. It's a beat up. Well, it's a beater. I mean, it's an old car. But every time she gets paid, I guess she kind of fixes it up a little, gets a little her and her dad, William, restore the car together, hook it up, put a new part in here, new part in there. It's got problems still, though, mechanical problems.

But it's drivable. She uses it as her transportation. but it's drivable she uses it as her transportation and uh she sounds like a cool just a cool not a one note person a cheerleader who also wants to be a police officer and she's got a mustang and she's like two jobs and two jobs yeah like she's got a lot going on for herself i hope my daughter grows up like this yeah absolutely she's also has a boyfriend at that time my daughter grows like this at 18 you want her to have... What do you want her to be? In the fucking...

Are you going to lock her in a room? She's 18 years old. Yes. Graduated from high school. Still no dating? Yes. So when's she allowed to date? When menopause?

What are we talking here? When I'm dead. Let me know when your periods stop and then you're allowed to go out. Like, what are we talking about here? I don't want it. i don't want it i don't want it at all you're hot right now good you gotta have it would you call it a flash if so i think you should start looking for dates now you can date i feel like you're ready now that's the father's brain you got hot flashes and you like knitting now you can perfect perfect here here wait here's a cat

take that with you i just i'm gonna give you your options here you could so judge her dating capabilities by the quality of sweater she knits me that's perfect that's great so that's jimmy's concept on fatherhood around menopause when's the right time for dating high school 16 driver's license 18 we'll go with menopause how about that i just i know what i know what guys are like and i don't want her around them the first time she's really upset about her taxes well that's a feel like she'll be older then we can talk yeah then we can talk so the night night of October 11th, 1993, Julie, she's a busy girl. Two jobs, boyfriend, stuff going on. She's got a lot happening.

She is going out that night to go see her boyfriend here. She lives in Malvern. Her boyfriend lives in Hot Springs. So she's heading over to Hot Springs Springs and she's going to drive there. The problem is she doesn't come home that night. And so maybe she fell asleep, maybe whatever happened. Mother calls the boyfriend's house.

Where the hell? Because there's no cell phone. It's not like you can text, hey, you get there, okay? This is, well, for younger people listening they're just you have to put it in the context of 1993 for people of your time yeah have to pick up the house phone and call over there they have to pick up the house phone might have let the answering machine pick it up yeah anyway uh apparently said you know have you seen julie um you know did you Can I talk to Julie? Did she spend the night there?

And Julie, apparently, she's not there. He says she never showed up. I'm still waiting for her. I don't know. She never came. So the mother obviously alerts the authorities at this point because it's very unlike Julie to say, I'm going from point A to point B. And then a few hours later, later have not arrived at point b yet right especially it's not like it's a four-hour trip it's not a long trip at all it's a quick

trip up the road so it's uh it's not there so about an hour and a half after all this goes on uh you know every she leaves she doesn't get there waiting for phone calls all that sort of thing her car is found on the road. You see her car on the side of the road. It's on the side of the U.S. 270. And she it's the car is locked on the side of the road like someone left it there. But the keys are in the car. Oh, which is strange.

Normally, when he's in it, normally, if you have a breakdown on the side of the road, because a breakdown is very common with her car breaks down all the time. So this is not abnormal. It's just normally you wouldn't leave your keys in a locked car when you take them with you, obviously, if you got a ride to a service station or something. they found that to be a little bit strange. Um, uh, a man, a woman, they talked to a couple of friends of hers, Samantha Brooks.

She said she saw Julie at about 9 PM and Julie told her she was going to hot Springs to see her boyfriend. She'd be back in about an hour and a half, just stopping by there, coming back. She wasn't, it wasn't going for the whole night. And, uh,

the boyfriend said, no, no, I, she never got here. So they're like, well, okay. Did she wander off? Are they suspicious of him?

What the fuck? She goes over there, and all of a sudden she never shows up? That seems a little bit strange. So they're checking everywhere that she might be, and no one can come up with anything. No one comes up with anything. She seems to have disappeared into thin air. So by the next morning, the police are issuing like appeals to the public of hey if you see julie

heath you know let us know she's missing people are worried and um yeah she uh all they can figure out is her mother nancy heath she said that her daughter's car was running hot and that she may have had to pull it over to let it cool every once in a while. Because, you know, when you're working on an old car, you'll have these problems that you're it's like whack-a-mole. You're chasing down issues. And her car was overheating. So she'd have to pull over, let it cool down. So they said, well, you know, that's all I could think of of why she would pull over to maybe let her car cool down.

I don't know why she'd leave it there. Maybe if she got a ride, but then she disappeared. So, yeah, they don't know what to do about this. So they end up that night. They started looking for her, like, immediately by midnight. Yeah, one in the morning. There's a pretty good search on for her. There's a rookie officer at the time,

and he says he stopped almost 60 cars that evening in hopes of finding leads basically they they put up a roadblock this is how this is a small town that didn't have that's why people are now are like there's crime now there's so little crime that when an 18 year old she's not eight right when an 18 year old disappears immediately that night they put roadblocks up and question everybody in the cars. Have you seen Julie Heath? Do you know where Julie Heath is?

Right. Have you seen this girl? Like, that's a fucking swinging into action. We've never seen that before. Yeah. Grandchildren are their parents, but legally, she can go wherever the fuck she wants. Yeah. She could be off somewhere.

You know, she could have met some fucking NFL player somewhere, and she's off in a hotel in Little Rock, you know, having a good time or so. We have no goddamn idea. But they are they don't believe that. And that's right away goes to a massive search, which honestly is we see so often on this show where they're just like, well, I don't know. Shouldn't show up in a week. Let us know about it. And then, you know, at least they're trying here he said quote we conducted interviews on everyone traveling in both directions during that time frame that we knew uh the vehicle was last where that we knew the vehicle was last

seen and where the vehicle was recovered by the deputies so they're looking all around they nobody has a clue nobody saw her nobody has seen her they her. A couple of them said, I saw that car when I drove by last time. I don't know, though. I didn't see her. Thin air. Gone. Poof. No more Julie.

Can't find her. Next day, she's gone. No contact. No anything. So with Julie missing, let's talk about somebody else. Let's talk about kind of the opposite human being. You have Julie, young, life ahead of her. Motivated.

Motivated, working hard, has goals, successful, has things like that. Now let's talk about a guy who has none of these things going for him. You mean the guy, the reason that I don't want my daughter to date? This is the guy. Well, this is the guy you definitely wouldn't want your daughter to date. Really, this guy, this will keep you from wanting your daughter to leave the house at this you won't want to you won't want her to leave the house knowing about this guy because he's not a guy you'd want anywhere near any of your children eric randall nance is his

name n-a-n-c-e uh he is born january 9th 1960 So he's 33 years old at this moment in time. So not 18. Uh, he works HVAC, which that's fine. Good, good job, especially in, uh, yeah, it's a good solid job. The people who sell you the school for it are swindlers, but go on. Yeah. Those, a lot of those are, are shit. But if you have a job doing HVAC, that's a solid goddamn job.

So it's remarkable that he has that good of a job, honestly, right now, because he has recently been released from prison. Oh, Jesus. He's only been out of prison about five months at this moment in time. For what? Well, that's the thing here. And he's new. Also, he was in prison in Oklahoma. So he's just moved over to Malvern.

He has six prior felony convictions six felonies six felonies on his record which wow i mean hvac i get it but you're that guy i hope is doing outdoor hvac these are a lot in this guy in people's houses honestly he's treating felonies like pokemon well the uh what he was in prison for was even worse. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison. For what? He just did 11 of 20. Wow. He did 11 of 20 years.

Wow. For rape and sodomy of two girls in Oklahoma, two underage girls in Oklahoma in 1982. Wow. That's a Charizard. Two, yeah. That's not good. Rape and beating as well. He beat, raped, and sodomized two underage girls in Oklahoma in 82.

That sounds like some shit you get 20 years for. Yeah, it does. They frown upon that. They frown upon that usually. Make you take a long time out. But how often have we heard somebody have some shit like that and they got like a year and a half or something that happens all the time on this show. So he he got 20 and did 11 years of that 20. He gets out and then five months earlier.

And by October, he's in Malvern doing HVAC. Yeah, but that means he's doing that when he's 21 years old. Twenty one. He was capable of that kind of crime. Yep. Two of two different two different girls that's that's crazy man that is honestly insane at 21 bad man yeah he didn't even have the world beat the shit out of him yet or get any rage yet or anything like that he was just like that's some shit he's been thinking about for a while which is disgusting so um yeah his

life isn't going quite as well as julie's we'll put it that way so um he lives in malvern at this time does hvac like we said and uh on october 11th 1993 same night where we caught up with julie he's got a different schedule that he's keeping um somewhere about 9 or 9 30 you know if we remember julie left her house about 9 o'clock to go see her boyfriend. Going from Malvern to Hot Springs. Now, between 9 and 9.30 in Hot Springs, Nance leaves his girlfriend's house. He has a girlfriend. How the fuck?

Okay. Five months out. Five months out, he's got a good job and a girlfriend. In another state. five months out five months out he's got a good job and a girlfriend are you five months out for beating raping and sodomizing underage girls this guy has a fucking girlfriend and a decent job i know guys who are not bad people who cannot find a fucking girlfriend for the life of them what are they doing wrong have jobs at the same place for a decade. Yes.

Can't get a girlfriend. Can't get. And they have never been to prison for anything near rape, sodomy and beating of children ever. I'm a girl. But this guy. Wow. How hard is he?

Not very. But he's got to have game. He's got to have some kind of Arkansas game. But it doesn't even sound like he does because he doesn't talk and he's fucking mysterious you know what i mean maybe but i mean because at some point you've got to you got to blurt in in five months you've got to blurt out why you've never met me and where i've been for the past decade mysterious is one thing jimmy but when you hear about i was in jail for rape and sodomy of underage girls, you go, mystery solved, never mind. It's not so mysterious anymore.

Mystery solved. Hey, mystery solved, he's an asshole. That was the big Easter egg we were all searching for, and we found it. Jinky, she didn't even need her glasses to crack this one. I'm telling you, man. Wow. Holy fuck. all searching for and we found it jinky she didn't even need her glasses to crack this one wow so holy fuck his girlfriend's name is christy jones what the fuck could she possibly see in this man slim pickings and in in fucking hot springs of it yes apparently but there's more guys 55 guys pick a guy out jesus christ you're in demand if you're a woman yeah you're in demand you have a choice this is your choice listen to what not only does he have the stats we've just given you obviously we won't tell you his crimes again but he leaves her house in hot springs between 9 and

9 30 heading for malvern so going the on the same road going the opposite direction he what is he wearing jimmy oh my nothing overalls and a t-shirt you bet he is of course he's wearing overalls and a t-shirt so and shoes that's important he does he is wearing shoes though okay so i say that because it comes up later so overalls t-shirt shoes that's what he's wearing um now so he goes that way way while Julie is apparently going the other way. Yeah. Now around nine o'clock ish. Now that's the other thing with times you have like a clock in your car that you never set. Nobody has a cell phone.

They can just tap and go what time it is. So I texted that guy. A lot of times we do now. You'll be like, what time was that? You'll go, I sent a text around that time. You'll see what the timestamp was. You go, okay, that's when it around when that was, you know what I mean? But that's do that every day.

All the time. That's a great little way to keep track of ourselves, of our senile brains. Right. So at 9 o'clock around approximately that night, a woman named Rebecca Doyle, she said she saw a truck behind a car in the area where the car was found, Julie's car. Now, he drives a truck, Eric Nance. But, I mean, it's Arkansas. A lot of people are driving trucks. There's quite a few trucks driving around the roads here.

But she said she saw a truck pulled behind the car, like someone was pulling over helping somebody or something. You know how that works so that's the only time we've seen anybody as any anybody's seen either of those two in that time period then nobody sees nance for another three hours he's not seen by anybody until 12 30 a.m so the next morning technically but so 12 30 a.m a couple hours later he stops at a convenience store located near the interstate uh in malvern and uh a tina loy and a christy sims were working there because you want to put two ladies on the overnight obviously that's very safe they may be the toughest toughest of the employees though that's the other thing we've we've thought that's the thing we already said well the cheerleader doesn't want to be a cop which was a dumb thing to say and now we're saying this too but still like i worked at a gas

station when i was 18 and they wouldn't let the woman who worked there work overnights like they wouldn't let her period that was it they just wouldn't so um they're like we don't want anybody getting murdered in this or getting worse. Anything happening in the store? Not that a woman can't handle herself. You know what the fuck we're saying? Shut up. So it's statistically.

You want your daughter working at four o'clock in the morning at a convenience store off the interstate? Exactly. Shut up. Or your wife or your friend or you. Yeah. Overpower or hurt somebody that is smaller. Well, not only that, to a a robber they might think it is even if it's the toughest you could have ronda rousey working behind the counter but if the cat she he might just go oh that's a pushover and i'm gonna go rob her

even rousey you kick her in the neck and it's over that's apparently so but if you see some and everything you see some like 300 pound hillbilly with a with a you know strand of wheat hanging out of his mouth wearing oil stained overalls you might go maybe not i don't know i feel like one where there's a gal working i think maybe we do that so anyway uh 12 30 a.m on october 12 93 uh he walks into the store looking very hot and sweaty they said midnight midnight 12 30 hot and sweaty looks very very hot he's wearing overalls but now he's got no shirt no shoes no socks no sir so he come now he comes in if you're a crime and sports listener like vince mcmahon's fantasy no shirt and a pair of overalls he small town murder that is just the murder uniform that's the and small town murder

that's the uniform so he's lost his shirt his shoes his socks from his original leaving his girlfriend's house he's all hot and sweaty and on the front of his overalls the they notice that there is dark very dark stains that appear to be fresh on the front of his overalls. Yeah. You know, dark, like possibly blood or something of that nature. Or he changed the oil. Yeah. Or he just changed his oil or, you know, I don't know, a squid blew up on him.

I'm not sure what happened. Or he stole them and that was the ink bomb. That was the ink bomb. One of the two. Yeah. So he tells them, hey, my truck broke down. That's the thing. So he said, I had to run all the way here.

That's why I'm so hot. And I took my shirt off. And who runs with shoes on? I mean, honestly. I know this all looks crazy. So let me explain to you why I look like this. This is why I look crazy. Oil from the truck breaking down.

Shirt because it's hot. No shoes because, you know the kenyans win the marathon every year they never have shoes on so i was like i feel like that's a better way to run i really love the feel of a gravel road beneath my toes i do it's just how i work he uh he went into the they said he came in said his truck broke down and blah blah blah and made a beeline for the bathroom okay went into the bathroom came out drying his hands. So he was washing up in there. So apparently after that, he called his mother and brother

and asked them to help him come fix a flat tire on his truck. So that was his night that that's what they saw. So he's gone into the night to fix his truck with mom and brother and do all that. And Julie is still missing. And she disappeared on October 11th. On October 18th, 1993, she's finally found. She's finally found.

She is found off Wild Hog Road. Yeah. Very hard to find. That doesn't sound like a good place to go. road yeah uh very good place to go found by a gentleman named herbert chandler jr who it was right near his property this is basically uh off highway 171 he's a hunter and he was getting ready for deer season walking around chopping out paths and doing shit like that getting ready to hunt for deer season and while he's doing that he uh stumbles across julie and uh in just a week in the arkansas summer heat or not even the summer it's october early october but there's a it's before winter so there's a lot of insect activities

a lot of scavengers especially in the fall looking to you know build things yeah so um it's she's discovered it's about seven and a half miles from where her uh her car is found so that's where it is there um yeah it's been exactly a week uh they said uh one of the policemen said quote the clothing the boots the pants the shirt, physical features all fit Julie. Although we'll wait until the crime lab positively identifies her. We're 99 and nine tenths percent sure. They said, quote, it's definitely a homicide. And they said they're they're investigating, quote, we're still pursuing the leads that we had previous to finding the body.

And we really feel like we're on the right track, they said. And we really feel like we're on the right track, they said. They had to. Other than the clothes and things, you really couldn't tell a lot about her. There was a lot of decomposition in the head area and had been ravaged by scavengers and things like that. She is found fully clothed. Okay. But her belt buckle is partially undone the pants zipper is uh like only a third of the way zipped and the portion of the shirt covering her right shoulder was torn

they said also the shirt was on inside out when she was found oh no and you could tell that because one of the she had a shoulder pad on the outside it's 1993 there's still shoulder pads she had a shoulder pad on the outside of her one shoulder and then they found another shoulder pad oh farther away that is a few feet away yeah uh they said that um the uh they got the photographs Then once they removed the shirt, they revealed that the shirt's torn shoulder was its left shoulder. They also found the shoulder pad nearby. Her bra was pulled up under her shirt, up around her neck and shoulder area. But that could be from a dragging.

They don't know. Her socks and her underwear were on inside out. Wow. Okay. So that's like in a haste, you know what I mean? Just ripping it off and then throwing it back on the way it's off. In the dark in the woods in Arkansas in the middle of nowhere at midnight. And you just see, you can't see what fucking,

you can't see the label on the underwear or on the socks. You can't see the seam on the toes. Yep. fucking you can't see the label on the underwear on the socks on the toes yep um so they uh also found uh they found nearby some of her hair was found between the road of nearby and the site that she was found so whoever parked on the side of the road and possibly seems like dragged her, which would explain the bra. And they found hair kind of like in the dirt and the gravel and the, you know, as her head hit. Yeah, it's really terrible. Dragging by the feet. Probably by the feet.

Yep. The close up view on a photo. They showed two clumps of hair in the underbrush as well. So that's the hair or drug by the hair. Either way, he, whoever did this was using her hair as a control method. It looked like is pulling chunks of hair out.

Um, the medical examiner, Dr. Frank Peretti, he said that it was likely there was trauma to the skull and neck region of the body based on the accelerated skeletonization and evidence of insect activity in that area as compared with the relatively intact remainder of the body so that was clothed harder to get to heads exposed it's going to really get it's just that's really that's so

fucking sad sustained it's so sad unbelievable so sad the uh the medical examiner also said that when the body was presented to him it was dressed in one black shirt inside out one pair of black jeans one black belt one pair of black socks which were inside out one pair of black shoes a white bra pulled up around the neck and shoulders pink underwear which were inside out uh the shirt and pants were intact around the body the belt was buckled the zipper was partially down like we said belt was partially unbuckled and she also had a pad in her underwear as well and that was right side that was correctly placed it wasn't like on the outside so somebody put that back on well yeah it wasn't like on the outside so somebody you know what i'm saying back on well yeah it wasn't on the outside big crisscross fan who knows um yeah who we don't know that's anything's

possible it's 93 um jump james oh my god uh the autopsy does not reveal the cause or manner of death because it was so much activity but they said that basically the medical examiner said he believes it's like it can't can't be an official thing but if he had to make a bat gun to his head he believes it was a death by a knife wound and uh possibly uh there was also the uh the shirt the way it was cut showed consistent with a cutting wound like it might have been around her throat when her throat was slashed that sort of thing so that's what they're thinking they don't know because all the soft tissue is eaten away but that's got it that's the idea there um the medical examiner estimates the time of death

to be now a week later with the all with insect activity fascinating how fast a body there's starts to dissipate there's literally no way for a medical examiner to have any fucking earthly idea when this body at this moment in time a week and all that shit but i guess based on the evidence and everything they put the time of death between midnight and 1 15 on october 12th so that night so what i mean that's that's really that's a mad specific time when you yeah it's that's based on the evidence not based on science because if you if you find a body at six o'clock in the morning if somebody's dead and somebody comes in and finds you and they come in they'll put your time of

death between 10 and 2 a.m and you're on your couch with no other factors and everything like that they'll still they have no fucking idea when you died it's such an inexact science within four hours is amazing and there's no way you could put it within an hour and 15 minutes a week later after right that's crazy in the heat of arkansas the humidity yeah whatever weather is there bugs everything the air the air uncontrolled environment is the problem people in this town to put it lightly freak the fuck out yeah i mean people are apoplectic over this shit this is obviously this is a you know 18 year old cheerleader girl i mean that's jesus christ everything going for yeah this is the what the town they really freak the fuck out i mean the fbi gets involved immediately too that's how big this is i think calling the fbi because i don't know if this area

if they have you you know this isn't like oh you know somebody killed their husband or killed their wife and they're in the living room and we can put that investigation together this is like a whodunit we don't know teenage girl dead in the woods type of situation so you need like a you need experienced death investigators period you just need experienced so they call in the fbi and a couple of agents show up the next day and uh they said they were gathering information then six more federal agents join in wow by next day. So they call for the FBI Thursday. By Saturday, they have like eight agents working. Say what you will about the disparity between men and women and the unfairness.

I will give ladies this. Nobody does this for an 18-year-old man who's got his shit together. No, no, no. They ain't looking. The fucked up part is as men, we're like, we don't want them to either. We're like, no, look for my men the fucked up part is as men we're like we don't want them to either we're like no look look for my my son will turn up my daughter though i gotta please look i'm afraid to find out if my son my 18 year old son who's got all his shit together i don't want to know the facts surrounding because it's going to be embarrassing to my family either that or if your

kid's missing you're like oh no did he kill someone maybe he's the one who's the bad guy whereas your daughter you're like something bad happened to her i'm afraid to find out the the facts about this that that destroy our family because my son's an asshole that's fucking amazing now the interesting thing about where the body is found is it's on that guy's property. It's seven and a half miles away from the initial spot of her car. It is 1.1 miles from the exact spot where Nance's truck had a flat tire. Oh, that's wild. 1.1 miles from there. That's way too close.

Very, very close. So over the next couple days here, this is not after Julie's found. This is after, this is, we'll call it October 12th, 13th. We'll go back to Eric Nance's timeline here. Julie's timeline in the 18th, and now we're going to jump back to the beginning here with the next day. This is October 12th. Eric Nance went to his girlfriend's house again. Wow.

Anyway, I'm still shocked by that. He washed his truck and shampooed its interior. How frequently do you shampoo your car? I have never in my life shampooed the interior of a car of mine. Ever. I did love my Jeep because you could just hose the inside out. That was kind of cool. That's different. Have you ever shampooed the interior of a car of mine ever i did love my jeep because you could just hose the inside out that was that's different have you ever shampooed a rug water and soap on the inside of my car yeah you've never shampooed a rug in your car correct right never never i've

vacuumed it at the car wash that's what you get the vacuum i might take the mats out and scrub those but not the inside i've never wiped my seats no fucking knows what's on those seats he shampooed the interior jimmy that's wild i this guy just doesn't seem like a guy to me that's overly anal retentive about vehicle clean cleanliness you know what i'm saying i don't know why but i just don't feel like he's a guy who shampoos the interior of his truck very often but he does that call it overalls and that's it in a gas station that's not the guy that I see shampooing a car covered in schmutz just all head to toe schmutz right he shampoos it that's the next day

by the way October 12th yeah and um she he she also said he appeared depressed at that moment. And then as well, his minister said that he told him that he talked to him that Sunday. And that Sunday, he told his minister that he, quote, feared getting a fabricated charge against him involving, quote, the missing girl in Malvern. So he's like, I'm afraid they're going to put it on me because I was out that night. That's what he told. Your truck's clean. Yeah, it's at least you got a clean truck, pal. No one else can say that.

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in little rock at this moment um he admits himself and then he is demand then he demands to be released like a day later. He says, I changed my mind. I want out. I want in here. I want out of here. So the workers thought that he was depressed because of all he would say is, quote, some incident he was involved in. And yeah, a hospital official contacted the Arkansas State Police and said, we got this guy. I don't know.

He's still freaking out and he wants to leave. You might want to, you know, just letting you know he's out there in case you're curious. So the state police had his name and then they kind of go from there because they'd like to talk to him. They found out through some witnesses that both he and Julie Heath were traveling in opposite directions on Highway 270 that night. And so, you know, they're interested, essentially, here. So they end up finding him, talking to him. They don't like his answers after this. They don't like his answers. He has no—his truck had a flat tire that he admits to a mile away from that.

He's seen with stains on his clothes. There's a lot of shit that's not adding up in what he's saying. The one thing I need, James, is convicted of what he's convicted of on the same road as her. That's all I give a shit about at this point. When his name came up, because one thing in a homicide investigation, if you have no clues, if you have an area, the first thing you're going to do is i'm talking to every every sex offender in that area if it's anything that has to do with this i want to talk to them first in the david simon homicide book there's a case that they never solve actually it's still unsolved latonya wallace murder from baltimore fucking horrible that case that's the first thing they did when they had no ideas is like well let's look up

anybody with any record of violence or sex offenses on their record and that's the first thing they did when they had no ideas is like well let's look up anybody with any record of violence or sex offenses on their record and that's the first fucking people we're talking to and then you bring the circle in from there but those are your obvious things so when they hear what he went away for they go that's a guy we need to fucking talk to here because those two girls that he did that to the first time, he might have learned a lesson that time. Where if they're alive, they can tell on you. That's a lesson. If they're alive, you get 20 years. You get 20 years, exactly.

So they're definitely curious here. So they end up arresting him, actually, after this. And there's a few things that they arrest him for. And we'll find out how they end up getting a hold of his truck because it's fucking amazing this guy is dumb as a stump it's wild so a criminologist will uh will uh find that blood head and pubic hairs recovered from his truck later on belong to julie oh they find out and that hair is recovered from his truck later on belong to julie oh they find out and that hair is recovered from his clothing or recovered from her clothing belong to him let's never let that guy detail cars ever

yeah he shampooed the shit and uh bad at this and they found and i'm not trying to be graphic or sexual on it but they found red pubic hair in his car and julie is a redhead and there'm not trying to be graphic or sexual on it, but they found red pubic hair in his car and Julie is a redhead and there's not a ton of actual redheads around. You know what I mean? It just doesn't exist that much. So they were like, that narrows it down a lot. And his girlfriend isn't a redhead,

and he's not a redhead. So the opinions of a seriologist, they're blood people, based on the tests he said he could confirm nor deny he couldn't say whether there was definitely sexual intercourse that occurred and that the exposure to the weather accounts for some lack of evidence and things like that so they had a problem with that and they said that uh dna analysis of her muscle tissue was consistent with blood recovered from the seat of his truck. Okay. So not good, essentially.

Now, this is how this happened. When he was in the, they arrest him. They don't have his truck yet. Okay. They don't have his truck yet. They arrest him on the 19th and they don't get his truck till the 20th. His sister, Belinda, she went to visit him on the 19th and they don't get his truck till the 20th his sister belinda she she went to visit him on uh this is later on she went to visit him on december 26th now

okay but we'll talk about the truck in a minute but this is later on he told her she thinks he didn't do it basically they had a railroad my brother here he tells her you have to do with me a favor if you look here here and here there's an orange utility knife uh-huh i need you to fucking get rid of that you need to go grab that shit and burn it will you i don't know how he's gonna burn a knife but he's gonna burn the knife i guess burn the whatever evidence off of it she's a blacksmith james take the knife and you know what I need you to do? Make it into a plant hanger if you could. Just bang it on out so it's something to put a took on it and I can hang my ferns from it.

Shoo the hoof of one horse, please. Would you do that for me? So she said, okay, I'll do it. She found the knife. She said it was covered in dried blood and and also in grass at an abandoned service station he tossed it out at an abandoned gas station wow near uh highway 71 and interstate 30 so she told them she this is what she does she used the sleeve of her sweater to pick up the knife and put it in her car in the trunk

of her car and she took it not to burn it but to the hot spring county sheriff's office in malvern good gave it to them i was just about to call her an asshole yeah nope she said oh i'll do it for you sure no problem grabbed it and said here's my brother's fucking knife that he made me go get she said that when she later told her brother what she did is he said did you get did you do what i asked you and she said well i went and got the knife i gave it to the sheriff's office he said quote you've just given me the electric chair and then he laughed hysterically for like 30 seconds which is probably the most disturbing that's disturbing right yeah that's just unsettling to hear you've given me the electric chair he'd be like whoa he had to take a breath to do those yeah that's what i mean he's like de niro and cape fear back there fucking ridiculous man that's just i'd call that unsettling is what that is

as a sister though you gotta know that right there for sure you just made the best move of your life yeah you did the right thing anyway i mean you're, do you have kids? Would you like them to be murdered? Forget all of that. His reaction to your behavior was that shit? Yeah. I justify everything I just did. Whether somebody else killed her or not, it doesn't matter at this point. I just did the right thing because my brother is clearly psychotic.

Clearly there's an issue here. Yeah. And he also definitely killed her because he's got a knife and all that shit it just reminds me i read in this i was reading this book called the butcher right there's a book called the butcher it's about a mob guy named tommy karate patera yeah all right this guy one of the worst serial killers in the history of of really probably america never mind the mafia he's a fuck he's just a serial killer he loved to dismember people he was like loved it he thought it was the greatest thing in the world he was like a vampire this guy he was pretty much nocturnal very pale all this shit one time they were fbi agents were looking

at him on surveillance they were watching him and it was four o'clock in the morning and they said he stopped his car in the city got out walked over walked over to an alley, 4 o'clock in the morning, by himself, nobody around, jumps up to a fire escape and did chin-ups for 20 minutes and then got back in his car and drove away. The quote was, we found it unsettling. And I just thought of that. That's why I brought it up, because it's the same exact thing. Like, whoa, that's a weird motherfucker, man. Or he just realized that he missed his class today today and oh would you see that there's a chin-up bar right there he literally watched him leave the bar he did all this shit and then he stops and

did chin-ups for 20 minutes and then got back in the car and drove away it wasn't even like at his house it was somewhere else anyway that's just weird so laughing hysterically the following day she uh she told the police that he had told her what happened because he said he told her what happened um that he actually killed her but it was an accident he told his sister it was an accident uh he told her and this is a very interesting story here but he told her he stopped to help her on the side because he saw her car and you know he's a good samaritan obviously it's clearly by his record you know, he's a good Samaritan, obviously. Clearly, by his record in the past, he's a good Samaritan.

Right. So based on that, he said that he, you know, pulled over there. And, wow, he said that he offered to give her a ride, essentially, into Malvern because, you know, back to her house because her car had broken down and she said he said that she saw his his utility knife slide out of his pocket just fell out of his pocket while he was driving and as they drove and she asked

him to put the knife away she said can you put that knife away and he was like what do you mean what knife are you oh it fell out so he said that he moved to put the knife into the glove compartment. He goes, oh, yeah, I'll put it over here. He said at that point she turned sideways in her seat and started kicking him, like just booting him and like, get the fuck away from me. You're going to stab me.

Booting him, just fucking kicking him and then punching him, pulling his hair, attacking him while he's driving right which for greatest driver in the world if he didn't careen off into a fucking tree while he's being kicked full force by an 18 year old athletic cheerleader like you're fucking crashing yeah number one julie sounds like a bright girl and there's one rule of thumb and no matter what someone's gonna do to, you don't physically assault the driver because that'll kill you before whatever he was going to do to you. And if he's got nothing up his sleeve, he should just be pulling over and be like, then get the fuck out. Fuck yourself.

Fuck out then. Yeah, I'm trying to help you. Instead, no, he said that while he started, he put his hands up to try to just block the blows. He was like, oh, God, swinging, you know, Jesus putting his hands up, trying to do it. And he said, you know, in the melee of just trying to stay on the road and block the incoming blows and keep her from hitting him. He said he just looked over and you don't know how it happened. But the knife got lodged in her throat. When he's just trying to block the assault, he apparently didn't even realize he had the knife in his hand and he just stuck it.

It must have just somehow she must have put her throat into it. And you know how that goes. It happens all the time. But that story doesn't hold water. That is a terrible story. That is one of the worst excuses for a murder i've ever heard in my life like yeah i i was blocking stuff and somehow i she must have just i fell into her neck i don't know what happened she she dove into it she maybe she had a death wish man she could have been suicidal

i don't know do we look into that maybe i mean maybe she was sad that's the kind of asshole we're dealing with with this fucking idiot so uh now the truck the reason why they got to search the truck was because he the truck was at this point in the custody of his brother vernon he was holding on to it so the search was conducted with the written consent of vernon vernon said sure i'll let you search the goddamn truck so uh and he delivered it right to the sheriff's office for the that purpose and uh they found the red pubic hairs they found um you know by the way the hairs were microscopically similar to the ones taken uh from her uh they found uh you know evidence fucking blood stains all sorts

of shit in the car it's basically oj's bronco out there with pubes. Right. It's OJ's Bronco plus a couple of Ron and Nicole's pubes. That's what we got. And he tried to wash it, which is fascinating. And shampoo it, and he missed pubic hair. If you're cleaning something, the thing you want to get first is any pubic hair. You know what I mean? I don't even talk for a murder. Any cleaning you're doing is like, any pubes around here?

I want to clean those up first, and then we'll, you know. If somebody cleaned your house and left behind pubic hairs that don't belong to you, you'd have a problem with that. You'd be pissed. You'd be really fucking pissed. Yeah, now the knife really is a big fucking deal here. The prosecutor said, I think for the people of Hot Spring County and for Julie Heath, finding the knife means justice will be done.

He says, I think it enhances the possibility that Nance will get what he deserves, and that is the death penalty. That's what they want. And this is one of those where he's not finding a lot of real defenders here for him, especially with his history, you know? He's doing himself no favors for electric chair hanging.

I don't give a fuck what way they do it. He's doing nothing to keep himself from getting it. No, that's nothing. He's only helping them. He's fucking greasing the tracks. Right. He repeated his story to the cops as well. He told to his sister.

He repeated his story to the cops as well. He told to his sister. My favorite is the wording that he used. He said that he put his hand up to block stuff and then he, quote, realized the knife had become lodged in her throat. Right. He realized it. Why'd she start picking me? Oh, because there's a knife sticking in her throat.

I wonder how that happened. I was holding the knife and now i'm not weird fuck so uh and it's a utility knife so it's like a yeah it's a box cutter yeah it's a box cutter that's he could have just put the blade away probably that's horrible fucking horrible wow um so and then they're like well i guess that's how you know a knife to the throat is probably how this happened. So the charges here, he is a habitual offender as well. They charge him with capital murder by premeditated and deliberate purpose or in the alternative by felony murder, they say. So that would be if you're a non-death penalty. if you're a non-death penalty. Those are your options. You get a felony murder, you get a capital murder. So they had a bunch of hearings, obviously.

They wanted to, he tried to get a bunch of shit thrown out in the beginning, and they said, no, you're not. No. What if we don't talk about that rape and sodomy in Oklahoma? What if we don't talk about that? Yeah, how about we leave that out there? They're like, sir, you killed a cheerleader. Do you understand? You killed a cheerleader in Arkansas.

If she went missing any longer, there would have been all day long CNN things to her. She had red hair, for Christ's sake. You're going down. Like, sorry. You can't kill cheerleaders and then get away with that shit, generally. What was your next choice? The mayor's daughter? What are you doing, you moron?

What the fuck are you doing, stupid? Jesus Christ. You couldn't find some depressed goth kid or something back then? Some kid super into like Marilyn Manson or Nine Inch Nails or something? The whole town would have been a little less sad about, you know, not the girl who's like twirling the baton in the front of the fucking parade, basically, because that's who he killed. Right. He killed the Grandmaster.

You can't get, like, a dude who cuts himself on the weekend for fun. Like, this is... Yeah. And we don't want those people to die either, but they're saying, that would have been better than this, you stupid. If you didn't want the death penalty,

you should have picked someone a little less on the road to not dying, because you fucked up, dude. So, October 28th, 1993 here here so about a week after he's arrested his attorney has quite port port acquainted that's good enough court appointed attorney wow that is crazy uh phyllis lemons she made the assertion during the arraignment that i don't even know how to say this that there's other people involved in this murder. How can you pin it all on him?

There's they said she found a man who reported seeing two other people talking to Julie on the highway the night she disappeared. That's what they say. So what about them? They could have killed her. Where are they, though? Have you? That's the point. Happ So what about them? They could have killed her. Where are they, though? Have you made that person happen? Because we don't think.

And are there pubes in their cars? Because that's the thing we're going to talk about. Anywhere. The thing we're going to worry about here is you're inextricably connected to this girl by that. There's just no way. Those are just bright fucking red issues for you. Those people happen upon a gas station with blood all over them at 1230 in the morning? That's the other thing.

Talking about I don't have shoes on. Right. You know, it's hot out. So, no. Fuck out of here. This is crazy. I'm wearing nothing but overalls. What are you talking about?

Overalls and bloodstains. That's what I'm doing here. The only thing else that I have on other than overalls is bloodstains otherwise it's like you know what those are red flags in your car red flags and pubes that's what we got here all of it so they uh then also she says there's too much publicity on him just way too much publicity and they said that they uh she said that you know we should probably just throw the whole thing out because of what you know know, there's been inaccurate press accounts. So, I mean, we can't have a, can't have a trial for this guy. Obviously he said, quote, the public and press are entitled

to know everything they legally can, uh, legally can know about this case. The judge said, and said, I'll get the fuck out of here with that shit. So the trial comes around, by the way, in England, it's much different. I know this from research in cases for crime and sports. In England, they're not allowed to say anything about the court proceedings till after they're over. They can say who's been arrested, what they've been accused of, but no details. So it's like this person's been accused of murdering so-and-so at their home, but it won't say, you know, by dismembering him and doing this. You won't get any of those details till after the court because they don't want to they don't want to sully the pool basically whereas here it's like you know totally different it's we want every information out there we want every juror to go

in there knowing the entire story at a time it's actually every newspaper sold that's what i need yeah so uh he's charged with capital murder by premeditated and deliberate purpose. Like we said, or in the alternative felony murder, he's got some underliers here. He's trying to suppress the truck search right away. You got to get rid of that because if you get rid of blood and the blood and hair, then you then it's just. Well, I mean, there's a coincidence that he was there, but no one has any proof of anything. Besides, he told his sister where to get the knife and give it to them and the blood matches and it's all by the way the blood matches on the knife to julie of course obviously uh the search warrant he says was

invalid because the application for the search warrant was dated october 21st 1993 eight days prior to the date of the lieutenant's affidavit in support of the search warrants. They're saying they did the affidavit for the warrant after the warrants. They got the warrant without an affidavit is what they're trying to say. So at the hearing to suppress, the lieutenant testified that the date on the application was an error, just a misprint. And he said that on october 29th he appeared before the circuit court judge made his affidavit and the search warrant was granted so they said that was actually nothing uh it was just a misprint so essentially they're just saying

it's a it's a misprint and the way the trial court actually writes it the court document is fucking hilarious because there's very rarely like misprints or misspellings but they misspelled the word misprint which is fucking hilarious the trial court stated that the testimony revealed an apparent miss prison in the documents and then ruled the warrant was properly issued they meant misprint that is fucking outrageously hilarious to me sitting at four o'clock in the morning looking through court documents of appeals and shit like something like that. I'm like, ah, Miss Prison, Miss Prison. Anyway, he also won Miss Prison of 2008. Miss Prison. Well, we'll see who's going to win Miss Prison in a few weeks when we do the prisoner dating game again.

We'll find out, Mr. and Miss prison so uh that'll be in september so the also he says that the search was invalid because his brother vernon had no standing to consent to the search of his truck and they said well actually it had they had a warrant so whether he signed it or not it was getting searched basically like it didn't matter whether he wanted him to or not it was getting searched there was a warrant issued by a judge also he says the pictures that were taken should not be admitted he said they're gruesome inflammatory photographs of the of the body and they're not necessary to help witnesses depict the crime scene they're just they're just not needed everybody we don't need let's everybody

not let's not piss the jury off let's not inflame them let's just say she's dead everyone's made mistakes and let's go from there shall we come on let's not get into parsing blame and details and i don't need to i don't need a jury of my peers to see what a dead body looks like when you throw it in the yard no one wants to see that uh the state's exhibit five is particularly when he has a problem with it's a picture taken from the road and depicts the wooded crime scene and the victim's body, which is identifiable from that distance only as a dark form resting in the underbrush,

which seems like that would be the advantageous one to you because it's not detailed. It's a distance. Yeah. States Exhibit 8 depicts her body as well as it was discovered from a closer view and clearly reveals the decomposing upper torso and partially skeletonized head. Oh, my.

Yes. He objected to these photographs, saying they were irrelevant and admitted solely to inflame the jury. The trial court ruled that the photographs were admissible because they accurately depicted the crime scene, the position of the body and the clothing on the body. And if that pisses the jury off, you shouldn't have left her in the fucking woods, stupid. I mean, that's I don't know what else to tell you. It's bad. And the photographs, they didn't like pose or in a fucked up way. That's how we found her.

So this is where you left her. This is what happened or where whoever left her because it is a trial. We're accusing you of leaving her. Yeah, this is what it looked like when we found her. Why shouldn't they know that? Now, Dr. Peretti, the one guy here, the medical examiner, the trial court permitted the state

to show a photograph to him and ask him if the condition of the shoulder area was consistent with a cutting wound. And now he says, that that's just that can't have them do that that's prejudicing them uh impermissibly permitted to speculate on the contents of a photo and they said the contention is you know how's he going to do that they're like well because he's a medical examiner and that's kind of his business and so he does we've already classified him as an expert in this area that's what we do when we when we when we qualify someone as an expert then you can ask them questions that

normally would get objected to in terms they'd say that's an opinion we'd go yes we want his opinion because he fucking knows what he's talking about if we wanted to know the value of your truck we would have a used car salesman on the stand. Exactly. You want to know about your pipes? We'll bring in a plumber. But this guy is for this. So the defense now, they have a lot of different arguments here. He argues, first of all, that the shirt found on the body was not inside out. Not at all. He said, given the location of the tear of the cut of the shoulder,

a reasonable person here should conclude that the shirt was inside out when the body was found. That's what the court says, but he says, no, it's not inside out. Ridiculous. On the body, the tear appeared to be on the right shoulder.

After the shirt was removed and turned right side in, the tear was to the left shoulder of the shirt which is where the wound was so they were saying you cut her then took the shirt off then put it the fuck back on again backwards and the cut was on the other side that's what they're trying to say so an officer who saw the body at the scene as well as the medical examiner who received the body both testified that the shirt was inside out when they found him so shirt didn't get like switched around from the scene to the medical examiner nance also says that the the pad found in her underwear establishes uh he says that that's not really evidence there uh you know they they said that they said that they never said in the report.

The medical examiner said that the pad was present and the panties were inside out. So he's saying if the pad wasn't inside out, how can you say that I did that? You know, maybe she just put her underwear on inside out, essentially. So the defense counsel said, given given the presence that there was no inference that he ever removed the panties at that point that was what the the defense said they said maybe ms heath simply put them on inside out earlier that day god what a horrible what a terrible can you imagine oh my god can you? The discomfort in that courtroom has to be so palpable. I would say.

Can you imagine being his lawyer and you're sitting home the night before and you're preparing what you're going to say in court the next day? And you're sitting there and your wife's like, what you working on? And you're like, okay. This is what I'm going to tell a room full of adults tomorrow. I've got to say that a woman possibly put her underwear on inside out can you imagine uh the life i live oh and her socks and her shirt too by the way i went to law school for this and the prosecutor doesn't make any arguments to the contrary because what difference does it make there's other shit inside out it doesn't matter so the prosecutor said quote

those kind of mistakes have been made to have have been known to happen in dressing like maybe that happened but doesn't fucking matter here's the thing a lady usually doesn't put on several things inside inside out i mean i could see you putting your underwear on it's a you never put your shirt on inside you never put your socks inside out that doesn't happen no and the way depending on your underwear the way ladies underwear are cut you would fucking notice if they were inside out well no because they were backwards you'd notice because they're cut like that but inside out you probably wouldn't notice i don't know i don't know unless there's a tag which most of them don't have a tag like guys underwear like boxers or something they have like uh but victoria's secret had that fucking super

long tag oh yeah that's true yeah i don't think she's an 18 year old kid in arkansas she's not wearing fucking victoria's she's probably got whatever came six in a package at target or whatever walmart you know who knows i would speculate on these underwear yeah yeah like this no it's i don't want to speculate on underwear anymore i'm really disturbed by it to be honest with you i'm disturbed by the whole fucking thing so he also nance he places what he decides is a great deal of emphasis on the medical examiner's report that stated that they really god jesus if you're the jury they kept hammering away that uh that the pad was in the panties and over her genitalia so see they never got moved because she couldn't possibly put it back um he also appears to argue that uh that he argues that the medical exact because

they're saying that he either raped her or attempted to rape her that's the underlying thing here that's why the clothes are on inside out why the fuck else would you strip somebody and then re and then re-clothe them to hide that fact yeah you know what i mean like that's something where where he put it he knew she'd be found someday he didn't put her in barrier and like oh that's that's it forever right he just stuck her under a bush by the road you know so he he knew she'd be found someday and in his mind i feel like he even knew if i this gets pinned on me i don't want anybody to know i did this part of it because that's what i got busted for before you know what i'm saying like that's the mentality i feel like he's doing while he's in the midst of this yeah because if you didn't think the body would be found or you'd

ever get linked to it the guy would just fucking keep her take her clothes off do whatever you want kill her throw her off to their burner clothes take so why bother yeah why fucking bother it's not like he was posing or like ted bundy or something he came showed up with i'm gonna put your clothes on but i'm gonna do it different or some shit like that none of that shit was there so uh the underlying felonies charged were rape attempted rape kidnapping and attempted kidnapping. But the sole underlying felony with respect to what the jury was instructed on by the end was attempted rape. So they weren't even going with he successfully raped her. It doesn't matter.

Attempted rape is an underlier enough to be an aggravator for the death penalty. So they're fine with attempted rape based on the fact that her clothes were inside out. So this goes to the jury and you guys if you're the jury you got to just be happy that this fucking thing you don't have to hear these disgusting things anymore thank god we're done we just get this poor girl now uh yeah they decide uh verdict comes back guilty yeah of everything capital murder guilty um sentencing they are certainly going for the death penalty here no uh no hesitation there and during the the whole thing you have your aggravators and your mitigators and the aggravators as we know are things that mean why we should kill you and then mitigators what makes it so you're not such a bad guy and we shouldn't kill you what what caused this that's out of your control basically so they put nancy heath up on the stand nancy is julie's mom oh my and um as you might imagine nancy's got some shit to say none

too pleased huh no she says quote mr nance took my only daughter i believe that he deserves the death penalty he has ruined my family's life. I have been under constant doctor's care since her death. I've had to see a psychologist once a week. I'm on numerous medications. My life will never again be the same. This has affected all of my family. It's been very hard on my husband and my son.

We basically do not know how we can live without her. That's brutal. That is fucking Jesus can live without her. That's brutal. That is fucking Jesus. This poor woman. That's horrible, man. She, uh,

we'll talk, we'll get more into her and her, her state, but she just deteriorated very quickly after Julie was found. She just had a hard time as anybody would. I mean, I don't know how you, the prize of the family,

everybody dotes on it. They adore. I mean, I have a 19 year old daughter. Believe me, you wouldn't, I don't know how you the prize of the family. Everybody dotes on. Yeah, they adore. I mean, I have a 19 year old daughter. Believe me, you wouldn't. I, you know, I don't even know what you do there. So now Belinda Kreitz is Julie's cousin. And so is Johnny Hood. There's are both her cousins.

They say that they hope they interview them outside. They say they hope that they're successful. The state, they said, Belinda here says, quote,, it hurts and I want him to get what he deserves. He gave her he gave her no choice by him being able to stay in jail. He's able to breathe. And Julie had no right. I can't stand it. So they're just very upset.

Obviously, he offers his mitigating his mitigation as this is balls, by the way. His mitigation is that he has family that supports him. Okay. His brother, his sister, his mother. How dare you say your sister supports you? Well, I mean, she's there. She's there. She testified that she loves him as a brother and all that.

Okay. But, I mean, as much as she loves you she gave the murder weapon to police yeah no she's a good person but for a death penalty thing like if your family will even show up they they count that as like oh that's this will hurt those people who are innocent people they're not you know yeah they look at it like that it might make the jury feel a little bit guilty to kill somebody that a bunch of people love or if nobody shows up and said i love that person you just go well no harm no foul fuck this guy nobody likes it's yeah it's all about that um and he also brought in his employer that you've been working eight eight hvac for five months less than five months after you got out on a rape and sodomy of a teenager gig.

For five months before you're caught murdering another teenager. And this guy's like, well, he's a great guy. I'll tell you what. I mean, I know I don't know him as well as some of you people here, but I'm telling you, boy, he showed up every day. Nobody rivets like this guy. That's the thing. Nobody screws. Nobody rivets. Nobody. He's just amazing. You like this guy that's the thing nobody screws nobody rivets nobody but he's just amazing you give this guy some sheet metal he's like a fucking magician you know in

five months i got 30 employees in five months every one of them called in sick at least two times him not once showed up every day telling you he also brought in his minister as well to show that he's a man of god. Of course, um, the jury finds two aggravating circumstances and, they find zero mitigating circumstances and they tell him, you, sir, may fuck off a death penalty by lethal injection. Oh my,

is the, uh, is, uh, his whole deal. Second most botched one. Let's go's go yeah that's botched an awful lot so that's that's what he's given now as we know a lot of people on our show get the death penalty and less than half of them it actually happens how many times it's always you know

brought to life after appeal and then yeah somebody always fuck something up during a trial. It's just the way the trials work. So his his first appeal here is, well, what they're saying in the public, this is just crazy to even say his attorneys argue that he he used basically he used he's got a mental defect as his defense mental defect. got a mental defect as his defense mental defect and uh it was an accident so those are his two defenses which are not great defenses when he has no real history of mental problems other than checking himself into a hospital after he killed somebody if you butchered a young girl like that you might need to go to a hospital too it might affect your day yeah i would it would fuck me up i know that much so that's essentially what they're saying um he argues that he and again i'm using court document legal terms not my fucking words so if i hear one bitching i'm going to fucking come over and clothesline you so he said that he should be allowed to use quote mental retardation as a defense okay what's up with that why can't i use that he said he said i'll just say what the

court documents say about his defense quote they said nance is retarded and that his earlier attorneys had failed to raise the issue in his 94 trial how do you not raise that issue of my clients are retarded person his lawyer said that that in court? This isn't a... They say. Yeah, they say his defense. Moody wrote that Nance's lawyers would have 30 days to file a new claim of mental retardation.

Is that an official form? Is that real? I'm here to get the claim of mental retardation form. Do you have... It's an 801C, I think, is the form number. I'm not positive.

What the fuck are you talking about i realize it's not a form it's a packet but give me the packet it comes to me i'll fill it out there's an actual 30 days to file a new claim of mental retardation and that the execution would be delayed until litigation at the eighth circuit was completed wow, they said psychiatrist David Diner testified or tested Nance after his conviction and found this is the prosecution. He had an IQ of 103, which is not even close. That's the line. 103 is very average. That is right smack. If you go to the fucking restaurant and look around, about half the room is at IQ. That's, that's. Not just working.

It's about 90 to 110 is your average range. And then you got your little, little less smart and a little more smart and whatever. But that's 103, not even close to anything in that ballpark. They also argued that this is the prosecution going, what are you fucking, 103, that's pretty decent. That's better than some judges probably that work here. They also said he's a heating and air conditioning technician at the time of the murder, so he figured that out.

And while he was in prison he got his ged so oh he's he's doing okay for a guy of that fucking you know persuasion what the fuck are you talking about so anyway they uh they tell him you have 30 days yeah to file your certificate of retardation or whatever the hell it's called i don't remember is that what it's called oh claim yeah claim of mental i don't know why certificate of retardation is, if they actually had that as a form. It's got a good seal, James. You know, it does.

Yeah, it has to be embossed, Jimmy. Anyone could fake that. So after all this, the family, obviously, when they say that he gets the death penalty, Julie's family, they hug and they cry and they do all they cry and they

you know do all of that and everything um they walk out to the cars and everybody seems like they're just solemnly you know just it's over with apparently nancy on the way home became completely incoherent just was babbling and couldn't form a thought and just like her brain broke on the way home did she have a stroke no she just a mental kind of a mental stroke you could call it but her brain just broke man she it's just too much as anybody would understand it's just so much and it's finally over and now they're gonna kill this guy and then you just had to testify and it's got to be so much i can't imagine so her husband rushes her to the hospital because he doesn't know what else to do.

She won't like, she's just not responsive. So he takes her to the hospital where they keep her overnight for observation. So she had some problems there. Later on, she just stopped eating. She wouldn't eat food. She stopped eating. Her psychologist begged her to at least eat some bananas, eat something. Anything basic, nutrition, yeah.

Yeah, fruit. Have something to get some vitamins in you. You need your body to function. You need fuel, but she refused to do it. She refused to eat food. She'd leave a relative's house to go to the store and she said that her family knew to follow her to make sure she

actually was going where she was wanting to go. They said because they knew that often she'd say she was going to the store and she would start going to the store and instead she'd end up turning and going into the direction of the cemetery where Julie was buried because she was just so sad she wanted to go see Julie.

So they were trying to, you can't go see Julie every fucking, every day. It's not good for you. You know what I mean? It's just not good for you. You need to have a life here. And then one time her mother came in to her house to check on her and found her unconscious overdosed on pills on purpose um she attempted suicide four times over the next year nancy does this is brutal i mean it's just so hard because a person in this position she has a husband she has a son she's gonna want to live

for them and do all that but the that's not a thought that you have you're the overwhelming overwhelming grief and it's overwhelming it's it's all encompassing it's like being in the ocean no matter how well you can swim you can't fight the ocean you can't fight the current you know you can go well i swim well well when a rip current riptide comes you're fucked you're going you're going with it because that's what it is. We all grieve so differently, too. And when you're not used to grief. And it's not necessarily just that.

It's like the surprise that now you have to grieve somebody who was so full of life you would never expect to have to grieve. No, it's not like she had. That's where she's at. This is fucked. It's not like she had childhood leukemia when she was six. And then we've been fighting this for years and she finally passed away that would be sad but this is like bye julie see you in an hour and then she's just never see her again and every day everything comes up julie it's she's had horrible violating things done to her and it's fucking disgusting so um anyway she

um she does all this next four like i I said, four times over the next year. But the family just- Over the next year? Over the next year, she attempts suicide four times. Every three goddamn months? Pretty much quarterly there. The family just kind of fell apart a little bit. The mother, her aunt, the grandmother,

everybody were all diagnosed with depression. Everybody's on medication. Of course. By six months later, the whole family's medicated. Nancy, oh my God, she said that she would like, the cousin said that when she would go over and see Nancy, Nancy would hug her and Nancy would run her fingers through her hair because she said it was long like julie's and she said that quote she was just trying to get a piece of julie back that is fucking heartbreaking absolutely

heartbreaking christmas morning 1994 so this is a you know year after all this christmas morning 1994 nancy commits suicide she didn't make it so that's fucking horrible christmas morning christmas morning couldn't take it oh my god they said now like you know what i'll bet i'll bet the times that she tried before all coincided with something where julie would be around and that's the thing about our schedule one of them was in june right we've got all her birthday right we've got all these dates lined up throughout the year that we just get with each other get around each other and that's why this fucking pandemic is so brutal because it it fucks everything up it's cutting off people's uh lifelines socially and we think we don't care because i'm a person i don't you know how me i'm like i fuck people but

it makes you weird after a while you need people it's a we are human beings and we think that we're you know we're like little robots but we're mammals and mammals need to be around other mammals or else we get real fucking weird yeah we get we get weird we do you don't socialize your dog it gets weird what do you think happens with people that's a dog you know like fuck man yeah you socialize your dog the mailman comes up and it loses its fucking mind yeah it's ridiculous and that's what we are we're and when when we've got that structure set up and we have these people that we love and that we see and fuck a pandemic when somebody is taken out of that unexpectedly not by anybody's choice it it really affects everybody around him and i feel so awful for nancy that's terrible man

she was only 38 jimmy nancy was 38 years old you've got to be shitting me well that is just absolutely depressing as fuck right there that is so sad so um yeah she's buried at the clear creek cemetery in hot spring anyway um now march 1996 he is appealing march 96 is nance's appeal to the arkansas supreme court which i believe uh last time i checked consisted of three roosters and a pickup truck where the actual justices involved i don't know how the pickup truck the pickup truck is known to be more liberal than the roosters actually it's a little more liberal the roosters are pretty they're pretty conservative honestly they throw feed down and whatever one they pick is the choice they make but the truck yeah if it if it starts then then we we go with yeah we know yeah yeah i just put together two nancy in the south she

probably people call her nance from time to time and this guy's last name being nance i guarantee that affected her as well that's brutal that can't you know what you call me nance i'll fuck you up i bet every time even nancy every time she hears her goddamn name she's gotta hear this guy's name fuck man in there that's fucked up i didn't put that together that's very smart of you yeah that's that is fucking brutal, man. So he goes to the Supreme Court. I would never say, I wish Nancy was alive today. Fuck, this lady needs a hug more than anybody.

She really does. But I am almost happy that she wasn't alive to hear his fucking appeal. Because I feel like if she was was alive she would be in prison for murdering this fucking guy somehow yeah because i want to fucking punch him in the throat and i for what he did but never mind what he did for this listen to this what this complete and utter piece of garbage tried to say okay he goes to a psychologist in prison and he comes up with a new story and this psychologist comes to court with this story with his new version of events Okay

according to this to this report He says that he has been has been for some time now in a sexual relationship with Julie Heath so an 18 year old cheerleader with her whole life ahead of her can't resist a scumbag overall wearing 35-year-old fucking HVAC installer who just got out of prison for rape and sodomy. Can't resist him. Yeah. Can't resist him. Can't resist him. Has to have him.

You know? And she's got a boyfriend, too, and she's cheating on him with this six-time felon. How do you resist him, Jimmy? He's got a pickup too and she's she's cheating on him with this six-time felon how do you resist him jimmy he's got a pickup truck it's all very attractive unbelievable he said that they were in a sexual relationship all right i'm telling you i will hold on to something because you're gonna fucking lose your mind here everybody i don't just grab hold the wheel tight if you're driving white kn knuckle it. He said that on October 11th, 1993, the day she disappeared, he stopped at Walmart to purchase a new box cutter that night. Okay. He just needed a new box cutter coincidentally that night.

While he was there, okay, he heard gossip. First of all, it's not the general store where there's a fucking, it's Walmart. There's 45 fucking aisles. We talking about you overheard people talking. He overheard people talking, saying that they heard Julie say. It's the other thing that they know, Julie, and they're talking about her. It's all very coincidental. They don't hear him, see him standing nearby.

They said that she said that she's HIV positive. Wow. That's what he had the balls to say. He had the balls to try to A, say that that girl was fucking me voluntarily, and then say, oh, by the way, she had HIV on top of this shit. That was the rumor. Infected me, and thank God I'm just buying a box cutter tonight to rectify the situation. He said he freaked out because given his sexual relationship with her, obviously he's in danger now. And he said on his way home with all these crazy thoughts in his head and a new box cutter burning a hole in his pocket.

He said he's on his way home, freaked out, obviously just when can I take my HIV test? He said, though, he saw Julie on the side of the road my hiv test he said though he saw julie on the side of the road yeah and he said he coming he saw he's like there she is all fucking aidsie there she's standing there caesar on the side of the road he said he picked her up and offered to give her a ride back to malvern on the way he said he confronted her about the hiv rumors he said listen we have to talk about our relationship yeah i heard you have hiv where'd you hear that they're all talking about it down at the walmart fuck out of here man he are you fucking i want to just choke this guy that is the fuck man and he said that he was unsatisfied with her response she started kicking him in that response no no no not at that point no she didn't kick him at all

he was just unsatisfied with her response she didn't like the way she responded yeah so he said at that point he was so overwhelmed with grief because he knows he's you know just full of hiv now and then she was she's not even apologetic about it she's like so what motherfucker so he said three what do you expect yeah he said there was now the utility knife wasn't even involved he said that instead he hit her so hard that he broke her neck wow healthy athletic young girl broke her neck yeah like he's mike tyson fighting andrew galata and hit him so hard he broke his neck mastered the three inch punch look at him just wow he's like joe frazier with that short left hook you know what i mean he's fucking nasty what a broke her neck he said that he couldn't remember much of what happened after

that i mean it was a from the second he heard the letters HIV, the whole thing was a blur. He said it just went crazy from there. He said that the doctor that heard this also put in a supplemental report. And in that report, he put a picture of his family and who the fuck he was and had his family history wasn't great. who the fuck he was and had his you know family history wasn't great and he says that those experiences contributed to the quote worry and fear that nance experienced on the night of october 11th 1993 and that concludes all of this culminated in the death of julie heath like obviously he was overwhelmed and he couldn't help it and also i mean he's he's pretty retarded too so there's that you got to consider so you know when you overwhelm a person it's like that obviously it's going to be problems so

he's i i was mad at him before and you're like i don't know if i could get any more mad at this guy and then he says well i was fucking her and then i heard down at the walmart you know the center of social activity in town that she had h. So luckily I ran into her on the way home and could kill her and resolve this problem. The worst. Wow. He also argued that the evidence that he attempted to rape her was insufficient to warrant a conviction and that there was a lack of probable cause to arrest or charge him that incriminating evidence obtained from his truck should have been suppressed.

Photographs depicting her should have been suppressed. He also said there's an error to amend the charges against him to fail to rearrange him on the amendments. And then that that jury was improperly instructed. And obviously, you know, the whole thing means his trial was completely tainted and he would like a new trial. I mean, what are we talking about here he says that um they said that his evidence isn't new because he's doing this based on new evidence

too and he's like this has to be based anything evidence based on a first appeal has to be new evidence and like this isn't new evidence his statements to the doctor they said amount to a self-written affidavit even though it's embodied in his report yeah just to the doctor they said amount to a self-written affidavit even though it's embodied in his report yeah just because the doctor wrote it down that's not like a third party tell it that's he said it to him and he wrote it down said this is what he said that's not a fucking that's not evidence he's essentially a secretary at that point he's there was no analysis of it he just said this is what he told me if if if every criminal makes up new stories then that's new evidence is that what he's always that's crazy new evidence of why wouldn't you be

mad so here's a reason that a murder happened uh how about this one how about this one how about this how about that i'll try a bunch of stories through every every time I can. Well, he's got his his HIV story conveniently also dovetails with his trying to say that he didn't attempt to rape her. Yeah, because in this whole thing, he's saying that. How why would I attempt to rape someone I just heard was HIV positive? Obviously, I wouldn't do that. Right. So, I mean, clearly that's never had an intent to rape her. But they said, well, yeah, but that's just what you said you're saying.

So that's you can't make up a factor that makes that impossible when it's your made up factor, you fucking idiot. So not OK. He also is talking about the hair evidence. And he's saying that the they want DNA test results or they have DNA test results. Are they? He wants them to be further tested the hair and they're saying that quote even if he could show that some of these hairs belong to someone other than the victim there's no evidence before this court that would exonerate him so

we will tell you what we'll give you the hairs chief how's that you know what eric we're feeling good today everybody feeling good i've been a mood. I had a good morning. My wife fucked me. It was wonderful. Tell you what. Hairs are in the garbage. How about that? You're still guilty. Go fuck yourself.

Eat shit. So before rejecting the request, the judge said, quote, I got anal on a random ass wednesday oh baby i'm feeling good let's toss those pubes what is everybody good with that bucket we got them on other shit we don't need that we don't need that shit the judge said i fully appreciate the gravity of the situation and i've tried to give mr nance the benefit of the doubt yeah dot dot dot but he's a huge asshole and we just can't deal with this fucking guy eventually impossible can't do it he's a he's kind of a twat i mean have you talked to him he says that this girl fucked him on

purpose i don't think that ever happened to hear him say she has aids fuck him right fuck him right yeah fuck him we've all decided fuck you bro we said we'll toss the pubes and fuck you anyway next what a jerk i hate him so much oh he also uh argues that there's some grass stains involved that are pretty don't make a difference either way because you don't know where they came from so who gives a shit they're talking about and they said as to the underwear and the sanitary napkin nance's counsel made the argument nance says that they should they should have made but he claims they failed to introduce the autopsy report given the prosecutor's lack of argument in closing the defense counsel specific reference to the medical examiner's testimony that the pad was in place and that other evidence in the case we see

no reasonable proper probability that uh basically that anything would have fucking changed so right what we said was attempted we didn't say you raped her we said attempted perhaps you're a gentleman uh pulled the pants off saw the pad and was like ah that's that's that's indignant i shouldn't let's not use the g word there right you said perhaps you're a gentleman as you're forcibly removing someone's pants. There's no gentleman that's ever done that. Perhaps you had a change of conscience. There you go. And you said that would be indignant.

I should not. And put the pants back on. Either way, I believe you have seen that there was a pad there. That's an attempt in my book. So, yeah. He also argues that his trial counsel were ineffective by not arguing to the jury that the bra that she had on was not actually pulled up around the neck and shoulder area. As the medical examiner's report said, the photo presented to the jury clearly shows the bra was not in that position when the body was found. But this does not make the medical examiner statement any less true because the bra could have gotten in that position when the body was moved.

So it was in that position when he he can only testify to the body when he received it. Right. Not how it was there. So the photo. That's why you that's why you allow photos so the jury can see that for themselves. Oh, the bra wasn't there in the photo so they can infer that he didn't pull it up. And he wanted those suppressed, so fuck you. Exactly. That's the thing here.

That photo, which the jury had access to, showed exactly what Nance claims his counsel failed to bring to the attention of the jury. And even though defense counsel did not argue the point, the prosecutor also did not argue the point. So we can now see no way in which this omission fell below an objective standard of reasonableness. So, yeah, then it's a lot of like a legal mumbo jumbo here. A lot of really ticky tacky legal shit.

Evidence motion for redirected verdict properly denied. Circumstantial evidence of attempted rape was substantial. Shit like that. They talk about that the medical examiner could neither confirm nor deny sexual intercourse, that the exposure of the victim's body to weather could account for lack of some evidence, and that enzyme characteristic analysis showed blood recovered from Nance's vehicle was consistent with the victim opinion, opinion, testimony of a forensic scientist that DNA analysis of the victim's muscle tissue was consistent with blood recovered from the truck seats and all that shit. So they're like, you can you can fuck right off. He tries to fight the search and seizure based on the again the the date of the affidavit

the brother didn't give me you know he shouldn't have given permission he also appeals that photographs uh should have been limited into what was exact what was brought in uh also motion to set aside judgment failed to demonstrate prejudice uh trial court action was consistent with appellant's conviction for capital murder. He tried to say that, that there was a prejudice against him. He said that the, uh,

he was found guilty of capital felony murder because the trial court struck through the word felony on the face of the judgment. So that as edited, it pronounced appellant to be guilty of capital murder. He's talking about literally whether the word felony was written on a thing or not. It doesn't matter. The jury said guilty of A, B, and C. Who cares?

That may as well be your first name. You've got six of them. Who gives a shit if the word felony is written in there? Yeah, you are. You're Eric Felony Nance. That's your rapper name. So it's fucking stupid. Also, jury instruction. He argued that the trial court erred in instructing the jury that to sustain the charge of capital murder, the state must prove the elements of a felony murder the conviction of him, and he's basically shit out of luck. Got to start back from there.

Now, he keeps saying that he should have told his counsel about the HIV story, but he didn't tell him at first. And that's his whole thing. Like, the counsel should have asked him, like, did you kill her because you've been having sex with her and she had hiv is that why you killed her like you just have to come up with any possible scenario and see if that happened who's telling him that that's a great story because it's a bad one it's not good it's not a good story that doesn't help you any that's what i'm saying it's it's not helpful no so on death row he is one of just 39 inmates on death row for Arkansas. He the United States Supreme Court, since they reinstated the death penalty, there's been 11 executions up to this point in Arkansas. And they are waiting to see if there's going to be any more here.

Now, 2003, another appeal he has insufficiency of the evidence of attempted rape basically his greatest hits here ineffective assistance of counsel he says that his uh trial counsel was effect ineffective for a variety of reasons here uh failing to investigate shit uh arguing evidence and arguing evidence of his innocence and attempt of attempted rape and all that shit second he argued that his trial counsel were ineffective for failing to provide their requests for funding to employ experts in both the guilt and penalty phases which they should probably do that that's part of a fucking apply for funding anyway jesus

finally he argues also that his trial counsel were ineffective in the penalty phase of his trial for failing to develop a mitigation case and for failing to object to victim impact testimony his main thing is the mother nancy shouldn't have been able to say i think he should get the death penalty i mean that's what he says that prejudice the jury because they want to help out a grieving mother well that's the that's what he says that prejudice the jury because they want to help out a grieving mother well that's the that's what a fucking murder trial is stupid he's not getting out maybe he is maybe you know what maybe maybe his medical claim is true 103 or not i feel like he's maybe something's wrong with himself he may well get uh the primary colors at every breakfast uh and in a kid's menu

who knows it's very possible here. He might wear a helmet in situations that don't require a helmet. We're not positive. November 28, 2005. Okay. This is execution day. Really? Now, please for clemency, the board rejects arguments from his attorneys that he is, again,

this is on the day of, that he's mentally retarded and cannot legally be executed and that the DNA tests could exonerate him of attempted rape, which is an underlying cause. As I said, if you test the pubic hair, then that'll take the attempted rape away and that way he'll be non-death penalty eligible. death penalty eligible. Whereas they're saying, take the hair away. If you remember, had a good day. Even if I throw the hair out,

still had her shit on inside out. And we believe that you were fucking around. So they, all this shit by a vote of six to one, the board recommended that the governor turned down the clemency request. One board member was the only one casting a dissenting vote vote recommending that the execution be delayed to determine whether nance's every time i read something retardation is legit board member bill walker cast the only dissenting vote recommending that the execution be delayed to determine whether nance is retarded and what effect an oklahoma appeal might have on

the case so there you go there's also the last minute appeal to the Supreme Court. And this actually, well, his schedule, his execution scheduled for 8 p.m. And at 8 p.m. he's not being taken to the to the chamber here. So it Clarence Thomas, he was in charge of reviewing death penalty cases and said several southern states, including Arkansas, asked for a delay to give him time to review the four appeals. He temporarily delayed the execution and four sets of appeals went before the justices Monday night. They had two people that said they would have given him a stay, but the Supreme Court was

asked whether he was mentally retarded justices have previously ruled that mentally retarded inmates should not be put to death he also was asking for the dna tests um state attorneys say that he tested above the levels where he would be you know like we said he held a job he's got a diploma all this sort of shit the governor rejected his clemency request like we said uh besides the board's recommendation the governor did say that he gave nance's case quote prayerful consideration and that he made a thorough review of i prayed and then decided to murder him that's what he said which is the craziest fucking thing ever don't't say that. I'll pray for you. I'll pray for you.

So they end up rejecting his 40-minute delay Clarence Thomas needed, and then they rejected. Clarence needed to finish hitting on that chick down the bar. Yeah, he said, never mind. He just looked at it because he said pubic hair. What now? Red tubes? Let's have a talk. You have to really know like old, if you had to be around in like 1990, 91. You're going to know why Clarence Thomas is probably not a nice guy.

To why he'd be interested in pubes. After all this, about 30 protesters gathered outside the governor's mansion and sang amazing grace, which is like this guy is there's nothing graceful or anything about this guy. He's an asshole. The amazing part is right. He's an amazing asshole. Yeah, there's nothing graceful. And in 1997, while the U.S. Supreme Court justices considered whether to stop a guy named Kurt Wainwright's executions, execution, the guards left him strapped to a gurney with needles in his arms for 40 minutes. Oh, my God.

They literally were like, hold up. Wait, we got to go check on something. He's like, what are you? Are we are you coming back? Are we done? I don't think it's happening now. It was great. They came back and they were like, oh, no, you're good.

We'll kill you now. You're fine. So literally laid on the table for 40 minutes. That's torture, right? Well, the prison said, because they sued, the prison said it would have been cruel to take him back to his cell and then make him do the walk to the death chamber again. That would have been cruel than leaving him strapped to the curb i think that's a six one half dozen of the other right there i don't think it matters they're both pretty shitty have your ducks in a row before you want to kill someone that's a shitty choice to make you shouldn't have walked him there in the first place what the fuck guys oh shit holy shit so he was sitting there with ports in his fucking veins.

He's got needles hanging out going, huh? And he's strapped down. It's not like he sat up or anything. He's strapped. So Nance's, if they're going to go through with it, Eric Nance's last meal. Yeah. Hey, last meal, Jimmy. We have not had this in so long.

So long. His last meal. It better be good. God damn it, James. It's actually a really good one. Yeah. It's a good last meal. It's one really good one. It's a good last meal. It's one where you go, that's a meal right there. It's not like a pile of

fried okra and like four pineapple cubes or something. A pound of tomatoes and what the fuck are you doing? And twelve Triscuits. His final meal two bacon cheeseburgers. A fine choice. French fries. Again, can't go wrong with French fries,

two pints of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, and two cans of Coke. I feel like you need more Coke to get that shit down. That's a lot of food. I was thinking the same way. That's only 24 ounces, James. That's heavy. I am. Maybe he had some water on the side, too.

Now, when they lay him down there they ask him if he has any final words before dying and uh he showed no signs that he heard they didn't hear the guy the guy said any last words and he didn't even he didn't like say no or react or give any like bat of an eye he didn't hear him and so they were just like i guess not fucking run him through so they just started killing him and uh after they did that his he had no last words because he didn't he didn't hear the thing to request him wow but his his spiritual advisor who was standing next to him turned all at once like in a burst to the audience and said quote may god have mercy on your souls

which freaked them all out all the family said it freaked them the fuck out startled them and shit wow um he was pronounced dead at 9 24 and it was the first uh execution since about a year and a half before that in arkansas so he was the 998th person executed since it was reinstated in 1977. You know what? In the United States. Nine ninety eight. Fucking nothing.

He almost got to be specific. You know, around nine ninety nine or one thousand. No. Nine ninety eight is the number he deserves. Fuck. No one gives a shit about him. Now, the family here. A cousin, Johnny Hood.

We talked about him of Julieie said quote this is not easy for any of us and we do feel for his mother and his family i just pray that julie rests in peace now he couldn't say he was sorry what he went through tonight was painless compared to what julie went through yeah fair enough um belinda the cousin she said quote it brings closure that he is gone but it will never bring julie back uh what he's done to our it brings closure that he is gone, but it will never bring Julie back. What he's done to our family, I hope that he did say he's sorry to someone for what he's done. We want to make sure the devil dies. He's gone now, so I hope they can rest in peace.

Make sure the devil dies. I mean, it's not necessarily vengeance or paying for what he did to Julie. It's just what he did to the the damage that he's done to that the whole family is destroyed enormous destroyed two people really you know what i mean they say the whole family says they don't even acknowledge christmas now i would they don't acknowledge they literally don't they just pretend it never happened like they just keep going no no shit because it's just how do you do it you know what i mean he killed now he this is a weirdest fucking thing nance in 1995 when he was on death row began a fucking 10-year correspondence with a guy named james nelson who was an irish an irish singer he's an irish singer who was critical of

the death penalty as is basically everywhere else in the world except for sri lanka and the united states and you know well and you know in country music there are a lot of country singers who are just way against the death penalty uh it's just church is one uh uh earl steve earl is another he's saying the. Yeah, Steve Earle's on the wire for Christ's sake. He's mad against it. There are a lot of guys that are super against it. So this guy here, he's an Irish guy. They ended up making friends in writing.

And he said that, Jesus Christ, Nelson said that he realized that, quote, that Eric's only means of escape from his hell's purgatory was through his letters his memories and his dreams it's not these dreams the heart song it's a goddamn fucking guy on death row killed a fucking 18 year old you're making this out to be a little more jesus uh the people that are against the death penalty are against the death penalty for people that made a mistake in the commission of murdering something they didn't mean to kill somebody it wasn't like on purpose you know what i mean it yeah sure it's still classified as murder because they fucking murdered somebody but this is entirely fucking different so he wrote all sorts of letters and poems also to this irish guy so this irish guy with a he's a tenor. And with other tenors, Neal Morris and Matthew Gilson on, they set a fuck.

This is wild. They set one of Nancy's poems to music and entitled it Eric's song. After the execution, the Celtic tenors released this song on their album. Remember me? Oh, my fucking murder. Unbelievable. So one thing this did cause was some law changes that benefit death row prisoners uh apparently the law before that was they didn't

allow them in arkansas a lot of time with their families like the day of the execution no visitors like you got you could have spiritual advisor and that's it. Whereas and then before that it was very you could have one visitor. It was very sparse. They changed the law to where now you can have like you can have different you can have like four people there. You can have as many people as you want, but only four people visiting you at a time and they can like switch out with each other and you can like up to a certain time you could have basically as many people come in in groups of four as you want to visit you i can't tell if that's a good before you die that seems you're gonna kill i don't care you're gonna kill him anyway yeah but it seems terrible in terms of like you're gonna make this person into in hysterics yeah i mean but that's i don't know their fan for their family because that's for their family if their family you know you their family didn't kill anybody to them that's their relative so i don't really give a shit either way honestly but i don't see why not if we're gonna kill somebody i feel like we could at least not be fucking you know mean about it too you know what i mean we could be

professional about the whole thing i guess even though we're not real thrilled about it to begin with it's a weird thing um but this guy i mean we all want it we all want to fucking choke this guy with his own whitey tighties right like absolutely every one of us this guy can eat shit fuck him so uh visitors are not allowed to bring cameras in uh but they will be allowed to take uh to now they'll be allowed to take pictures at certain some part they can take pictures together it doesn't fucking matter photo thing yeah hey walk through a walkway together and take a picture yeah so uh julie is buried uh at the clear creek cemetery as well along with her mom uh there i assume they're buried reasonably close to each other a lot of people anybody that posts stories about this there's always comments from people that

knew her in the comments and uh one is uh one of the kreitz family here comments on a lot of them that you know they're very they were really sad and uh you know shit she said at the beginning at the end of one she said uh my aunt nancy heath killed herself on christmas day that next year and then people people so sad. I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm so sorry for your cousin, your aunt. And then the next comment was software is like sex. It's better when it's free.

Hey, I'm looking for an online sexual partner. Click on my boobs if you're interested. And then there is two parentheses with periods in them to look like boobs. See that, Jimmy? That's what you'd want to click on. Computer books. Read a room. Read the fucking room before you post the trolling there.

No one wants to jerk off after they heard about all this. It's not good. Jesus Christ. And then there's also... I found that to be... Sorry. Well, we had to end it with something not so depressing. You know, than that.

That's hilarious. Here's my OnlyFans. He's fucking insane, right? Click on these boobs if you want to follow my shit. Right under, like, we're so sorry for your loss of your cousin and your mother and, you know, your aunt and all this shit. Click on these boobs if you're interested. What do you say? on these boobs if you're interested what do you say now there is also some guy on on these sites these message boards and shit that posts that he is in sees julie's ghost all the time he says that

his family bought a plot of land right by where she was found and uh i don't know if it was the hunter's land or what but they they bought this acreage right there, and they moved in, and they found out about this girl, and he sees her ghost all the time. She never comes in the house, but she's all over the place. She doesn't bother him,

but then there's another ghost in the woods that's really creepy and fucking hides behind trees and has pointy teeth and shit. He talks about this, so he thinks, but that ghost can't come on. That ghost won't pass a certain point in the property.

So he's like, I don't know if that's her murderer. That's constantly stalking her from the woods. And like, there's this whole big thing. And people have these theories of where, who the ghost is. What? I spent so much time reading this at three o'clock in the morning. I want to comment on that board and tell them, stop smoking everything that grows out of the fucking ground and leave this family alone

why would you do that why would you post that shit on a family group where they're it wasn't a family group grieving it wasn't a family group it was a it was a page that has like ghost stories on it that people tell but a member of the family commented on it though and like was like almost like i want to talk to you like i don't remember exactly what it was but it was like it wasn't like you fucking asshole stop doing this it was like fuck if this is real i want to see you know what i mean like i want to see julie like or it's like i feel so bad i'd be like i want to talk to you and that'd ring their fucking neck yeah hey dickhead stop it this doesn't. You're an asshole. Stop smoking Arkansas weed.

It's bad. It's dirt and you know it. You got it under a kid's ball sack. Oh, no, wait. That was Jimmy in Nashville. Sorry. Close enough. Children's sweat taints the weed.

Anyway, it's right next to Tennessee. Yeah, it's right next to Tennessee. What do you want? So that, everybody, is Malvern, Arkansas. Wow. Just a crazy, wild, sad, disturbing, I don't even know what words to use to describe it, but that was a mess. That's the most complete mess we've had in a long time. In a while.

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Who knows? And then for a small town murders bonus, we have such a great show that we put up oh my christ it's funny it is about non-dangerous conspiracy theories just non-dangerous nothing that anybody's gonna go shoot anybody over but also or you know nothing that would make you like hate your mother if you she believed it yeah stuff you could argue with your uncle at thanksgiving about for a while be like i'm telling you the moon landing look at the flag it doesn't supposed to move like that and you can argue about that for a half hour and then they'll be like turkey's ready and you forget you ever talked about it it's just fun conspiracy theories we're going to talk about those and the origins of a lot of them too because a lot of these can be very

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much i need them right now jimmy hit me with that list this week's executive producers are jordan bennett james hertz ten can dan uh he jumped on patreon ten can my man ten can oh you enjoy the content brother we've missed you uh julie carg, Anne Leskinen, and Andrew Bailke. Holy fuck, is that hard to say. And it's not even- I've heard of Shackleford. Yeah. Thank you so much, you guys.

Thank you. You're unbelievable people, and I hope that you get everything you ever wished for, because you've done it for us. Other producers this week are Peter Stone, Justin Avi, and Kristen Haliko. Jessica Daniels' husband, Ryan, had a birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Corporal Carl Kirshner.

Spencer had a birthday. I don't know. There's no last name. But Spencer, your family said happy birthday. Happy birthday, fucking Spencer. Color by Moe James Marder. Darren Mehal has two tickets for STM and CIS. Both of our shows at the Tempe Improv for November.

He has two tickets for sale. Fingers crossed, fucker. They can't make it. So if you can find Darren Mehal on the internet if you want to buy him from him. He should join a group and put him up in there probably. Yes, do that. Douglas C. Niedermeyer, Sergeant of Arms over in Omega House, James. No, we know that.

That's very nice. Booger Johnson, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows, Thomas Smith, Jennifer Ward, Jennifer Visconti, Sarah Surridge had a birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Sarah Surridge. Emil Gudalger. It's a super difficult last name. There's no way I'm going to say it.

I apologize. Sherry Tunt. There's no way I'm going to say it. I apologize. Sherry Tunt? Get well soon, I guess. I don't know if that's a joke or not. Janice Hill, Pixie DeLeon, Frank the South African Birdwatcher, Paul Ruest. Where you been, Paul? Hey, there he is. Tamara Summers? Tamara? Tamara. It's Tamara, right? I think so. Okay, it depends on the person. Right. Key Bump? I think so. Summers. Okay, it depends on the person. Right. Key Bump.

I've known them both ways. Eric Rodriguez. Matt Zick. Jude Kendall. Spencer. I always had that. Happy birthday. And Nancy Weaver, obviously.

Thank you so much. That guy, Pete. Dan from Australia. I think that's Ten Can Dan. Jessica Talmo. Charlotte Riggs. Tamara Burns. Zachary Weaver.

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Do we revert? Do we go back to Hoare? Do we go back to Hoare? Do we go back to Hoare? I think they'd have to hear it last week, though, to know what we're talking about. Matthew Webb. Nicole Brie. Bonnie Yerkes. Karen Phillips.

Maggie Overley. Jake Leash. Tyler Evans. Jeanette Jones. Kendra S. Benjamin Cotrus. God damn it. Oh, this is brutal. Neil Price. Benjamin Cotrus. God damn it. Oh, this is brutal.

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Sydney Hoare. Terhi Thorsen. The Hoare's are back. Terhi Thorsen. Holland. Tim Tebow. If you're just listening, one second. If you're just listening, this is your first weekand if you're just listening one second if you're just listening this is your first week donating and you're just listening to the shout outs for the first time someone's

last name was whore last week h-o-a-r no other way to say it so we decided anybody who had no last name we just give them a last name of whore so that's why you're getting that whore no insult brandon whore congratulations kelly c whore lydia whore catherine mckay bridget brown tara durney benjamin bone bone bohenhurst but what blast oh that's not even close to bohenhurst hunting whore i swear they did this for that shane whore alexis barnes jennifer whore jason fred Frederick, Cassie Erland, Lauren Diane Verhoeff, Emma Steele, Natasha Flansburg, Danny Marie, Scorn of Medusa Hoare, Scott Brenner, Aileen B. Hoare, Kelly Heck, Jody Pruy, Robert DeVar. Angela Harden. Coral Orso.

Kane Bates. Angie Given. Elizabeth Bosselman. Christina Ramsey. I'm taking it. It's Angie Given. Delia Angelia. Oh, boy.

Delianglia Padilla. Tracy Thompson. Felicia Clifton. Allison Capiello. What? Capiello capiello capello uh dylan gagnon gang young gang yo laura johnson kathleen williams valerie bryant max what lh buch i don't know how to pronounce that i don't blame you andrea carlson petrius peteris, Peteris Trifonovas. That better not be Petter-esque, Petrius Trifonovas. I hope not.

Kelly Redmond, Juan Rangel. Don't give these people bad names. Allison DMV, what DVM? Lindsay Bacon, Kyle Gantz, Tim Hart, Abby Smith, KB with no last name, just K and a B. All right. It's a hook. I'm trying my best. Nancy A. Newcomb, Ethan Ramsey, Kelly with no last name, just K and a B. All right. It's a hook. I'm trying my best. KB4. Nancy A. Newcomb, Ethan Ramsey, Kelly with no last name, Terry Riopelle, Diane Martinez,

Trevor Green, Teresa Moss, Kim Head, Devin Bilecki, Paul Bordley, Juan Piper, Julian Piper. I'm sorry. Samantha Turner. Not again. Juan Piper, Julian Piper, sorry, Samantha Turner, Elliot Bricknell, Colby Rich, Miguel Chavez, Nekia, N-E-K-I-A, Nekia, Carlos with no last name, Shelly Garecki, Two Turtles Doing It, Justin Weeks, Logan Miller, Julian Caballero, Nate Locatellatelli mike with no last name amy bennett bennett uh bobby bobby maris devin baker was devin darren darren baker tristan o'brien julia surter dan with no last name sam with no last name leanne overbay uh rob washek washek jennifer malone jocelyn rowe amy alfrey lindy lindy lindy obray david baird cody garrowe joan nope yeah that's joan hammer alberto alberto scafarna scarfano

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts, honestly, for everything you do for us. We appreciate the shit out of it, and we hope that the bonus episodes are what you're looking for, because we thank you for supporting the show so much. You've changed our lives in ways that you couldn't even fucking imagine. It's unbelievable.

You really have, and we're so grateful to you for that. So thank you so much, Jimmy. What if they wanted to say something to you or thank you how could they get a hold of you possibly jimmy i'm on the internet everywhere you are uh where are you uh same shit just you know what you do tell you what yeah just google small town murder hosts and we're there google the show it says who the hosts are it's not like we're trying to hide who we are and you can follow links right to the show and write to us and follow everything at the same time it's super easy i had a good time today despite the grossness but

what about you jimmy good times today that was one of my uh i dare i do i dare say it i know what you mean it was one of my favorite uh moments uh hours a couple hours that i've spent with you it was a good time yeah it was good shit, even though it was a horrible story. Jesus. It's the worst thing. It's the worst part of humanity, and we're able to get through it, because you know why, James?

Because humor brings it together. That's right. It brings us together. It's going to keep bringing us together every single week, and until next week, when humor will bring us together again, we will see you next week. Bye.

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