Small Town Murder - #243 - How Not To Kill A Sugar Daddy - Climax Springs, Missouri

Episode Date: September 30, 2021

This week, in Climax Springs, Missouri, a retired doctor has decided to live the rest of his life in a new, swinging way, filled with drugs, and young ladies. When he finds a much younger woman, he thinks he's found his perfect match, but little does he know that his new bride, and a cast of ridiculous characters are actively trying to kill him, while he obliviously goes about his business, unknowingly thwarting murder plots, left & right. That is until it all comes together, in an absolutely brutal & bloody fashion, resulting in plenty of finger pointing, and not a lot of honesty!! Along the way, we find out that you certainly don't want to set foot in the local spring, that you shouldn't court teenagers when you're in your 70s, and that it isn't as easy to kill someone as you might think!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  New episodes every Thursday!  Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail]  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!  Follow us on...  twitter.com/@murdersmall  facebook.com/smalltownpod  instagram.com/smalltownmurder  Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and violent plan is finally carried out. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello and welcome to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks for joining us so much. We apologize. We're laughing on the intro because Jimmy heard the name Climax Springs and both of us looked, we made eye contact like, oh God, it's too much. We need to talk about it. A whole spring of it. That's a lot. What state is this i missed missouri missouri climax springs missouri come on down to jizz

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So, this bonus episode, it's a cult, basically. So, we are going to talk about the comparison between multi-level marketing and cults and how they basically use the same language to do the same things to your brain that cults do and you get the same reactions from it we're going to talk about all of that crazy stuff patreon.com slash crime and sports and of course you're going to get a shout out at the end of the show and that's because we love you and jimmy will mispronounce your name to show our gratitude and affection quickly disclaimer this is a comedy show so we're comedians we're if we hear the words climax springs together we can't help it that's gonna happen you know we're gonna make fun of things like that and murder is gonna happen as well but what we don't do we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family.

Why? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags. That's how it works there. That sounds good. We're going to have a blast because this is a crazy, crazy, just insane backwoods episode this week. And if you think true crime and comedy should never go together, we might not be for you but we probably might be also so give it a shot and uh that said i think it's time to sit back and shout

let's do this jimmy shall we let's go on a trip let's do it i'll take a trip right now let's go we're coming from the the foot of the rocky mountains right rockies yeah colorado the rocky mountains the foot of the rockies and we're heading to the taint of missouri instead this is this is some mid rockies to the ozarks let's do it it's this is right off of the lake of the ozarks all right this is where apparently screaming is encouraged but might not be heard uh from what we've heard from past footage so climax springs missouri and we'll get to why it's called that i can't wait nothing to do it wasn't like the largest brothel in the south or anything at one point nothing like that nothing it's in central Missouri.

It is just deep in there, buddy. Tell you what. About two hours and ten minutes up to Kansas City, out to the northwest. About three hours and 15 minutes to St. Louis in the other direction. It's out there, Jimmy. Middle of nowhere. Middle of nowhere. They hid this right up Missouri's ass.

Yeah, they did. That's what i'm saying it's right in its big jizz reservoir it's disgusting two hours to reeds spring missouri which was our last missouri episode episode 187 way back on september the 2nd 2020 so uh it's been a while it's been over a year it's in camden county area code 573 it is about a while. It's been over a year. It's in Camden County, area code 573. It is about a half a square mile, not a big, tiny place here. It doesn't have a motto, but it has a nickname. So you figure you got Climax Springs. Let's make it less gross, right? With a nickname and we'll maybe something else. No, they just shorten it to Cl it to climax which is almost more intriguing and more i think climax climax springs you go i don't know there was a spring there somebody back then made some weird it's fine right climax you're like did they do is this like in the 70s like what happened was this a swinger town? So history of this town.

They named it Climax at first. That's how it works. I can't believe that. A post office called Climax was established in 1883. I feel like your post offices should be like states do with personalized license plates where they don't let you have anything because it's, you know, you don't want to be an embarrassment. Even the NFL doesn't let you just put any name on the back of a jersey they have some limits even the xfl back in the day as we found out no you couldn't put t-bagger on the back of your jersey but you can call your town climax 120 30 years ago so the name was changed to climax springs in 1886 because they were like

people are confused people are coming here with the wrong idea and uh we have to thwart this it took its name from a mineral spring near the original town site the tradition who knows if this is true but of course there's a lot this is a type of area where there's a lot of like according to tradition yeah and according to lore told on the porch here's a lie an enthusiastic settler yelled out that caps the climax upon discovering the spring i don't know why that would why he used that terminology or language uh because he realized that it was a potential mineral spa and they were very excited like hey we discovered this thing that we can make money off of so that caps the climax i guess he he was

like i'm all finished now yeah i was in the middle of it but now i'm finished stay here yeah let's stay here we're staying in missouri so the springs part was added by a group of businessmen who decided to promote the healing waters of the area's mineral springs they were like let's make it sound like it's an attractive place to come at least right not just a place where the streets are slick so make it like it's an attractive place to come james we'll call it uh come springs springs though because then you can go wash yourself off or whatever so it never enjoyed the popularity of other mineral because there's a lot of these mineral spring towns in the ozarks are popular, a little like local tourist destinations. This one really never got that too much.

In 1889, Camden County declared, they put an ad out or whatever, called it a romantic and pleasant village in which to live and claimed that as a health resort, it's probably not excelled. So it's a nice town, but don't get all excited about the springs. In 2015, Climax Springs disincorporated as a town. excelled so uh it's a nice town but don't get all excited about the springs in uh in 2015 climax springs disincorporated as a town they were like you know what we've had it we're not we can't manage all this jizz we're out of here this is uh not gonna happen it's overwhelming you know how many people voted on the entire resolution to do that 27 34 voters came to the polls to decide this the vote was 28 to 6 in

favor of dissolving the village and uh now that the county's responsible for everything now they were like why should we pay for our shit make the county do it so six people that like being on an hoa board those kind of people yeah well they they want to have more autonomy as a town. Now you really don't have any say in shit because you don't have any government. You've messed it all up for yourself. So the reviews of this town, I found only one review of the actual town,

but a shitload of the high school. Really? The high school in this area really has a lot of opinions. So first review, this is of the town itself. Three stars. So not perfect, but it's okay. I love the unity and closeness of my community. I dislike the lack of exposure and diversity.

I feel like many of my peers and myself were deprived of social, political, and academic knowledge. It's almost like I live in rural Missouri or something. It's a weird, strange, right? What do you fucking expect? Greenwich Village in the 50s? What are we talking about here? It feels like I'd know a lot more about the world at large

if I was in, you know, a fucking city. Or just a town that has, wait till you hear how many people are in this town. Very, very few. 37? You wouldn't expect anything like what this person is requesting in a town of this size. So high school reviews, on the other hand.

Here's five stars. Five stars, and what they're excited about is hilarious based on the amount of small townness this is. Five stars, quote, Everybody is accepted to play sports. There's no such thing as tryouts you're guaranteed to be a part of the team you just have to keep your grades up to be eligible to play because there's not enough fucking people right they can't feel the team without you yeah

they don't care who you are yeah sure sign up let's do it uh three stars here i had several memories with friends at this school terrific had friends are always a big encouragement to attend school every day i succeeded after leaving this high school because personal motivation and preparation that this high school gave me i know that the person i am today has a lot to do with the years i spent at this school thank you for your inspirational yearbook inscription. We really appreciate that. Jesus Christ. And here's two stars. Not such a good school.

Not for academics or anything like that. Not my kid doesn't know anything. Just experience. Just quote two stars now. School spirit could use a boost, not just for basketball. So, I mean, school school spirit not quite up there somebody that that made the team because they couldn't have a whole basketball team and they were pissed nobody showed up they're like five six they're not that no no vertical leap whatsoever so here's two stars again not happy at all with the school two out of five quote students are not allowed to wear hats of any sort

that includes beanies i'm very upset to hear this that's the entire review because you can't put something on your head no beanies i guess it's cold there so you would want a beanie and then when you get there your hair's all fucked up so you because you had a beanie on so you want to keep the hat on and i guess that's not it's a no-go here so i don't know that's a weird thing or you're me and at 18 you had shitty hair anyway you're like i'm gonna put this i'm gonna put this beanie on so i look brooding instead i did love that about high school being able to wear a baseball hat backward all day they and you were allowed to that was yeah nobody gave a shit with some high schools a lot of high schools they didn't they weren't allowed to do that but in my

side my high school yeah they let us wear hats it's great yeah that's a good that's good that's helpful yeah it's only like i was fucking free well you're you're you're so self-conscious as it is about everything when you're 14 and it's like now you got your fucking hair to worry about too at least that's one less thing to worry about you put a hat on you're like good that from the neck up i'm taking care of done you're worried about like pimples you don't need to worry about pimples and hair and all this. Let's worry about one thing at a time with one body part at a time. Your dick's hard. You can't stop it from happening.

You don't need to worry about your hair, too. The best hair I had was my fucking sideburns, so I could wear a hat and my sideburns still I was crushing it. I still display your Luke Perry fucking sideburns still i was crushing it i still display your your luke perry fucking sideburns because it's 1993 1996 yeah you know probably too late to have them good 90s yeah 96 is too late to have the sideburns man that's no good you had to get rid of those by like 94 that was i was pushing it too 94 is pushing it that's really pushing it hard hey man i had a friend who had sideburns he was so worried about them like i remember because i used to cut all my friend's

hair my grandfather was a barber we all know how to cut hair it's in the blood so you cut his hair and he'd be like make sure you don't make sure you don't cut my side he would literally because you'd be like shaving and he'd be like you can still see my sideburns, right? I was like, yeah, you can see your sideburns. Don't worry. Mine went down to the bottom of my fucking earlobe. They were awesome. That's about what he had, too. He was real into them.

I never had just the gumption to do that. Just like, I'm going to. It's a really, it's aggressive. It's an aggressive statement. So this town's population in 1990. Okay. So current times, it had 80 people or 91 people in it in 1990. Not even a hundred.

Not even a hundred. Currently there is 203 people here. That's great. That's helpful for stats. Up 154% since 2000. So people are coming to this town, apparently. I don't know from where. You would think it would be retiring here, but then when I read you the stats, you're going to go, who's fucking coming here?

What's happening? And why? It's so far from everything. What the fuck are you doing there? It's so weird. More males than females by a good amount. It's like 55% to 45%, which is strange. Median age is low. It's normally almost 38. Here amount it's like 55 to 45 45 which is strange median age is low it's normally almost 38 here it's almost 34 so like that's what i mean you'd expect it to be a bunch of retired

people 65 years old to 74 years old are one percent of the population here it's two people it's usually like 10 there are zero people over the age of 74 in this town. Holy shit. Zero. Zero percent. So nobody, I don't know if they kill them and throw them in the Lake of the Ozarks or Maybe those springs are actually poisonous and not healing at all. Maybe it's like a cocoon thing.

Like they just return to the springs at a certain age. I assume it's 65. They just walk into the spring. at a certain age. I assume it's 65. They just walk into the spring. The 1% is someone who's in the woods being hunted, like the Hunger Games, to be put in the spring.

You're going in the spring, Grandpa! Come on! And by the way, 0.5%, so that's one person in this town, literally. 0.5% equals one person in this town are zero to four years old so there's one lonely toddler in this one baby one lonely toddler just looking for another kid anything shaking a rattle no looking for a fuck come on i want to watch fucking paw patrol with somebody steve might be coming back to blues clues i heard it anybody yes i'm two years old and i have access to the internet because it's 2021 and fuck my life so i've got an ipad 46 married so a little bit low on that uh now married couples

with children it says 0.0 percent so i guess the it's the one baby is from an unmarried couple we do know that about this town i like these small towns because you can discern you can discern details from the stats you really can't small like this yeah single with no children 2.5 percent so that's like five people are single with no children. So good luck finding each other, everybody. Race of this town, 99.5% white. Yeah. It is 0.5% black. Hi, I'm the black guy.

Nice to meet you. That's one guy. This town's like blazing saddles, I swear to Christ. That's what it is. There is one fucking guy. They have one guy. Hi hi i hope he's the sheriff that's i that's what i pray that would be amazing then it's just blazing saddles and fuck it why why not so 45.5 percent one black guy that's just that's wild it's just weird

so 45.5 percent of the people here are religious which is actually low for this area of the country this is like the mid buckle of the bible belt this is hardcore and all of it but religion's very big here as we'll find out uh mostly baptist baptists are the catholics of the ozarks south the the hills of the humid region of the humid humidity regions of the country of the jizz spring regions of the country it is unsurprisingly 0.0 percent jewish um they're and politically last election uh it's this county has 42 000 people and it's a rural county this is the whole county so i mean they're just saying it's not a huge cross-section of people also it's a small county it was 23 voted democrat 76 republican and one 1.2 independent which is like low so yeah they were they were picking sides on that one so uh unemployment rate is about normal

in this town it's around six percent but the household income here is insanely low. Median household income is $18,833. It's normally almost $58,000 in the rest of the country. What do you even do with that? 70% of the people here make $20,000 or less. And I thought about it like if it was, because normally when it's like that, it's a huge place for older people and it's social security, you know what I mean but that's not what's going on here there's no college right here this isn't college kids either like who the fuck are these people and how are they surviving is what i'd like to know when you hear the home prices too cost of living 100 is regular

and average here it's 88 so it's not cheap no it not. The housing is an 81 out of 100. That's way too high. Median home cost here, $268,400. How's your economy working at all? I don't know how you can afford a $268,000 home making $18,000 a year as a household. I don't know how that works, but good luck to you. And if you can do the math and get it done, we have for you the Climax Springs, Missouri real estate report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $680. That's like half the regular.

So that seems like the way to go. Yeah, if you can rent a place. But all the properties have, most of them have acreage half the regular. So that seems like the way to go. Yeah. Yeah. If you can rent a place. But all the properties have most of them have acreage is the problem. So you need a big place. I found a few here. Here's just some land. Seventy four acres of deliverance level woods here. That's so much.

It's a lot. One hundred and forty thousand dollars for that, which is pretty $2,000 an acre is cheap that's just unbelievable that's very cheap but you're buying untreated just woodland in the middle of the Ozarks raw woods I found a two bedroom one bath

432 square foot house it is a little box of a house in the middle of 8 acres of property that's 4 by ten. That's a tiny fucking... It's so small. Forty by ten, I mean. It's like a motel room.

It's what it is, and it's on eight acres. I mean, the house is okay inside, but it's a hotel room. And also, $100 a month HOA here. HOA. What? Are you kidding me? $100? You're in the woods.

Who are you paying this to? $78,900 for this stuff. But there's eight acres, so that's decent. But then you tack an extra hundred onto your mortgage no matter what. Each month for an HOA? Ridiculous. I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,712-square-foot house. So, little house.

House has got, it's a lot of wood paneling. Like, every room is wood paneling. So, it hasn't been updated in quite a while, but it's right on a lake. It backs right up to the lake. There's a dock outside and everything. It's on eight acres of land as well. $299,000

for that. That's too much. Which is too much for the house, but acreage on a lake, I guess. I found a four bedroom three bath 2412 square foot house it could use an update but it's not unlivable or anything like that it's just you know could use some some stuff a nice backsplash something like that half an acre smaller one but it's also right by the water four five hundred forty nine thousand49,500 for this. Half a million dollars. More than.

More than. Which seems excessive, if I'm being quite honest with you. Truly. Things to do here. I looked up. There's not a lot going on here as far as festivals or anything like that. So I looked up just things to do in Climax Springs, Missouri. Out of the top 10, I'll read them to you and notice

if you notice a pattern first is climax springs park so the park is the number one thing to do here after that faith baptist church camp heritage which is a christian thing our our lady of the snows catholic church springs first baptist of climax climax springs assembly church Lady of the Snows Catholic Church, Springs First Baptist of Climax, Climax Springs Assembly Church, Pearson Branch Church, Inner Life Ministries, New Hope United Methodist Church. So it's a park and nine churches. That's what there is to do there. Have fun, everybody. Fellowship.

That's what it is. Wow. I mean, yeah, it's a lake or church. How is there only 45% religious with everything is church? That's what it is. Wow. I mean, yeah. It's a lake or church. How is there only 45% religious with everything is church? That's what I found. Those people must be really into it, those 45%. I also found the Redneck Yacht Club. Y-O-T.

Yacht. Ha! Y-O-T. Would you like to see their flyers, Jimmy? Here, I'll turn the monitor towards you here. They took a country song and really embraced it. You got to roll your chair a second. There you go.

My God. I don't have to turn it too far. Look at that. With a... Look at the floaty. The unicorn floaty. Out in the... What are you doing?

The O is a boat wheel. It's so... Yeah, it's like a steering wheel on a boat. It's got like a lighthouse rising from the woods. Is that the real lake? Is there really a lighthouse at a fucking lake? No, no, no. That's fake.

That's just photo. It's just sticking. It's literally just stuck on top of the trees. Half pound hand-padded Angus burgers. Hand-padded? That sounds weird. Sounds like someone named Patty jerked you off. Hand padded I got, boy.

It was a good one. House cooked corned beef Reuben sandwiches. Cold beer. This place gets good reviews, too. So it seems like people here like it. My husband and I ventured out to Redneck Yacht Club with our five-year-old son and our dogs over the summer where we stayed in one of their spacious hotel rooms. This place is like a whole thing. They loved it.

Rooms are very clean with a cabin feel, amazing property. They're great, and they love their burgers. They said, pina colada are the burgers you have to get. So there you go. Go there and get yourself a pina coladaada and I assume probably hepatitis from that lake, but I'm not sure. There might not be any disease there. It's so far removed from the world.

That's true. There might not even be bedbugs in their hotels. Yeah, that's probably true. Crime rate in this town. It's not there yet. They haven't gotten there from the coast yet. Right. Property crime here, slightly higher than average.

Really? Which is kind of surprising for a town of 200 people. Bob, I see you stealing my shit. No, everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is also slightly above average.

Right. So I don't know what the hell's going on in this town nobody's making money people are committing crimes i don't know what's happening here this is a mess baby it's that one baby one bad motherfucker man no old people no babies this is a set you can't take care of yourself and wipe your own ass you don't belong in this town fuck out get the fuck out so that said let's talk about a murder that happened here absolutely okay to discuss this murder we must get in the time machine for a moment and uh hurl ourselves all the way back to 1980 all right terrible hair awful clothes and cars that look huge and don't go anywhere stimulus world any kind of speed

i was the baby in this town i was the one baby hi so uh thankfully not in this town though but we'll go back to friday august 22nd 1980 okay it's 8 a.m on on Friday morning, and the Camden County Sheriff Larry Witten receives a call at his home. At the house. At the house. That's how small of a town this is. Call the sheriff's house. Of course I got the number. Yeah, we all know the sheriff's number.

We all know his home number. If Betty answers, tell her thanks for that pie, and I'll bring the plate back to her next week, all right? Okay, thank you. Call the police. You don't call 911. You dial seven fucking digits. You call Larry's house larry whitton's house yeah and his wife picks up every time and she'll give him the phone even if they're busy yeah they get a call he gets a call from this poor bastard who finds it gets a call from a rancher, a farmer slash rancher who was off looking for some stray cattle that had wandered off.

Okay. So he gets a call. Larry, hi. This is Farmer Bill. How you doing? Just got to tell you all, I found me a body out here. I was looking for cattle. I found something worse tripped oh much worse

tripped over it was 15 feet off a rural road just outside climax springs between climax springs and greenview if you're looking at a map it's toward the greenview but it's still in a closer to climax springs here uh found here uh what is it 1.2 miles north of Highway 7 along Lake Road 7-13. These are rural roads. When you're getting dashes, that's a rural road. Lake Road 7-13. They didn't even bother naming them. They're just like, there's 13 roads around.

Fuck, just name them 1 through 13 lake road we ain't got time for this so this part imagine being the farmer that finds a body too because you're you're out looking for cattle this is what i mean don't go out stop going outside everybody stay in your house just stay home in your house and because this is this guy's whole day now if he had plans for like lunch it's not happening no if he didn't find the cattle yet they're gone they're gone he is there for the rest of the afternoon standing in a field talking to larry about saying what he found his story 13 different times yep to uh you know the same guy so this body particular in particular has two pretty gnarly bullet wounds in it high power

close range yeah uh one in the heart one in the head so really somebody was making sure that this this person was gone and the body was like off in the brush about 15 feet off the road so not the best dismount there i would say but this body and they don't think it's been there very long because people have been by here but there is a serious serious amount of decomposition because it's august 22nd in missouri boy so even a few days it is gonna go fast on a hot humid day there's a lot of parasitic action a lot of insect activity it's going to be oh man really really fast so this is uh you know this poor guy gets a call at home delaying rapidly in the hot weather the wounds are above the left ear was a bullet entry wound

and another was in the right portion of the chest. Both, they eventually recover.45 caliber bullets from this. So one in the heart, one in the back of the ear with a.45 is a dead serious. You're meaning that. That is not an accident. So close, gunpowder burns surrounded both wounds. So we're talking contact. This is like mob hit type of wounds, like really fucking, you know, getting the job done. This is something that's not like a you.

When you see this, you don't go, well, I mean, clearly he was hit by a stray. This is this is certainly on purpose. So he was cleaning it and it went off. It must have been clean. It went off. So we won't talk about exactly who that is right this moment but you'll uh you'll figure it out pretty quickly we'll put it that way it's a male person we'll say that so let's talk about a gentleman here and actually a um somebody who we don't really talk about on our

type of show we get a lot of like uh you know our people are regular people the small towns you don't get a lot of people who are kind of big shots on our show killing each other once in a while yeah yeah we get the rich murders you know the upper class suburb murders and stuff like that has a boyfriend uh and she's a polo player there you go there's there's been a bunch of them but usually when we're in the back woods like this it's it's never like that it's a lot of trailers and things we're going to talk about dr duncan danforth oh doc doctor he dr duncan danforth it's a lot he is a retired surgeon dr duncan so dr duncan's been doing some duncan he's uh with his scalpel he's 75 years old at this moment in 1980 so he he's been out there. He comes from a prominent family.

He's moved here in the last few years from Texas. He lived in Texas his whole life. They had AMI Danforth Hospital. Named after him? His father started it in 1905. Holy shit. He began practicing. The place where they were in Texas had 300 residents at that time, and he was the town doctor, so he made the town hospital.

And then when Dr. Duncan came aboard in 1935 to join the practice, so he was born in 1905, so he was 30 at that point. He comes aboard in 1935. They expand it to be more of a modern facility because technology was advancing super quickly. Oh, rapid, rapid, rapid. So they're just getting new equipment and new things and new doctors that knew things and they were from different places. So they ended up doing that. They came up with the Danforth Clinic in 1937. They had six beds for the delivery of babies. And it was basically for delivering babies and minor surgeries, kind of outpatient type stuff.

So things like that. And by 36, 37, they grew so much they had to hire other doctors. And it ended up turning into 120 bed facility. So a pretty large hospital. Of quick turnaround shit. Of quick turnaround stuff. And then they ended up with a nursing facility there for nurse training. And they had a sleep and rehabilitation centers, outpatient surgery.

They started, it became a bigger deal. So he's a very, him and his family, they're very successful we'll say i mean yeah they have they started a hospital and expanded it like i don't know anybody that's done that if you started a hospital and expanded it you've also uh expanded your income your house your wallet your bank yeah everything's growing i don't know anybody that owns a hospital like i have an uncle that owns a pizza place or not a hospital that's not a whole hospital and anybody that owns a hospital. I have an uncle that owns a pizza place, but not a hospital. That's not a whole hospital. And anybody that does own one, I imagine, has a pretty big house, too.

Probably. They're probably doing pretty well. And he does do pretty well. He moves to Climax Springs, and he moved from Texas. He had an estate that included Texas oil land that they bought in 1905 that they had owned for 100 years. Oh, shit. 75 years his family had owned it for, and now he sells it. Health care and oil money?

I mean, this guy's hitting all the buzzwords. Really? You're going to tell me he stumbled on a fucking gold mine, too? If he owns an insurance company, he's just the devil apparently so he moved there he had a 3 000 acre ranch or i'm sorry he moved from the texas oil land to a 3 000 acre ranch near climax springs wow yeah so out there between climax springs and greenville he was so 3 000 acres through a green view sorry 3 000 acre ranch it's like 2700 or something and change um and he also he's got money he's got you know things he owns property he's got money in the bank and he even has a coin collection

valued at 175 000 so yeah a gold mine a gold mine literal and this we're talking 175 000 1980 dollars that's like two million dollars now That's a shitload of money now. That's just in coins he's got. And then he's estimated to be worth several million dollars on top of that between properties and money and everything else. He also, this is the other thing about him, old Dr. Duncan Danforth. I'm going to call him Dr. Feelgood from now on because he also has a reputation once he moves here. This guy's like Stan from Love After Lockup. If you've listened to the Love After Lockup

Patreon episode or watched Love After Lockup, Stan's a 65-year-old guy who had a wife that died. He's a widow. And now he wears like a, we're 50-50 on whether it's a hair piece or a bad comb over we're not sure the funny thing is people are talking about it in the groups they're 50 50 on it too everybody is they're like but it's the same argument too they're like but why would he wear a piece that looks like a comb over that makes no sense but i'm starting to j Jimmy. I'm on your side now. Actually, the newest episode, he didn't die the sides of his hair well, but the top is

still fucking the same color. So now I'm like, you know what? He might just be he might have just got a terrible rug. It might be James. It might be like fucking hand woven stitched onto his head. It may be somebody else's hair that's now permanent. I'm not sure, but it looks awful. It looks like a comb over.

If you're going to get a rug, get yourself like a big, like a Frankie Avalon. You know what I mean? Like, do it right. Get yourself a head of hair. Get yourself a karate kid quad. Oh, yeah. Get yourself a real big, thick guinea head of hair. Get yourself something like that.

Don't make it look like you combed it over. That is terrible. Don't make it look like it's bald. It's better to have a toupee than a comb over, right? Isn't that less embarrassing? That's the idea of the toupee, yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's less embarrassing. Because that, you're like, well, they're trying to fix it.

They're making an effort. But a comb over is just like, come on, dude. Shave your fucking head if you're going to do it. They're making an effort. But the comb over is just like, come on, dude, shave your fucking head. If you're going to do that, put a rug on or shave your head. It's like getting veneers of Steve Buscemi's teeth. Why would you do that? Getting stained, messed up veneers. Like just, I don't want them to look too good though.

I just get them. I don't want to, you know, I'm modest. I just don't want to ever get cav modest. I'm very modest. That's all. That's all it is. I just want to protect them. driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again, leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott?

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let's see how that straight jacket goes i have worked hard all my life yeah accumulated 2.3 million dollars fuck my ass please fuck my ass while i'm well i can't even run away please fine no i'm not to each his own i don't give a shit what can i run away i can't even put a hand in the way it's a it's a change of life is what i'm getting at it's a a late life like crisis i guess for lack of a better term where you're just like i need to be a different human being or they're just being themselves finally after all these years well dr duncan apparently himself is a an elderly man who has a real penchant for young women and drugs he uh he likes young ladies and pills and weed and all sorts of drugs he carries he carries around a bunch of weed and pills and a 45 handgun in his black doctor bag like his little

like house call doctor bag sitting on the front seat of his car all the time full of drugs and a fucking 45 handgun and how old is he 75 years old a retired surgeon from texas fuck yeah he's living like he's in boogie nights for christ's sake's sake. His lifestyle sounds just like Boogie Nights when you get into it, except he's old as shit. And he does all of this on his 26-acre ranch. His son, Frank, even said that his father has a constant stream of young female visitors from Kansas City. He just brings in girls from the city all the time he says that they they stay a couple of months at a time he gives them money some of them he bought cars handguns uh quote expensive pets i don't know what that implies yeah tails and a

fucking cockatoo or some boa a big boa constrictor that they pulled out of a tree city with a full-grown tiger yeah i don't know like a tibetan mastiff or i have no clue what they're what he's buying but expensive pets cars and handguns and they'd get these things and then go back to kansas city wow i guess so he's living quite the life dr duncan he's certainly uh gonna spend it all before he goes in the hole that's what he's doing yeah no dr duncan's got plenty of cash though that's the thing he's got plenty he doesn't even need to worry about it he's got so much my point i'm just saying he's like his plan is to just fucking start yeah fuck it i'm not gonna run out of money so i'll just have a ball and uh you know when i die i die i think is how he's doing it. At the time that this is going on, August of 1980, his son Frank is being paid $400 a month to live with his dad at the ranch.

I don't know if he's got duties to fulfill, ranch duties, I'm sure, feed the chickens or something. No exotic pets for Frank, though, huh? I don't know if he's buying him any lemurs or anything, but he's... I bought you a puma thank you happy birthday son enjoying impala what there you go 63 nope nope he's pretty young actually i'd be careful those claws are pretty sharp anyway moving on here's your here's your dollars so at the time four hundred dollars a month you could live on too like that was a like a living wage and he was

had a place to stay and dr danforth paid his daughter and his son-in-law six hundred dollars a month to stay there so he's shelling out a thousand dollars a month to his kids for i guess ranch work and just hanging out being at at the ranch. I'm not sure. Frank said, though, always with these women coming in and out. He's into drugs, like I said. Carries the .45 and a bunch of drugs in a black thing. He's an old man

and he's a doctor with a doctor bag. So, no one would ever look in there. He could get pulled over. No one would ever look in his doctor bag. What do you got in there? Your stethoscope? Sure. I'm sure, doctor.

Yep, sure do. Nope. Shitload of weed and a 45. That's awesome. Instead, he's fucking 75-year-old Tupac in 1980, which is just a really weird thing. So much so that local law enforcement and county law enforcement have started an investigation into his drug sales and shit like that they think he's starting like an organized crime ring is what they're thinking like he's selling drugs he's got

people living on the ranch he's bringing young women in left and right so they said they had an active investigation going in august of 1980 with him he doesn't know any of this the best way to describe dr duncan is mr magoo except he's just people are investigating him things are happening to him he has no idea it's going on except instead of him being blind it's just a cloud of weed smoke as he walks around being 75 years old he's dirty magoo dirty dirty dr magoo over here that's got to be the name of this episode right dirty dr magoo so yeah this is uh this is an interesting pairing so let's enter into the conversation michael stith okay s-t-i-t-h which my fingers just didn't want to type every time they wanted to say stitch every single time uh stitch or stipe but not stiff i'll tell you that much so

he's 25 years old okay and he's a local ne'er-do-well dirtbag okay i think this area in 1980 sounds like from what i'm going to, that's a common threat going through the area. A lot of aimless, just dipshits. Back then, it seemed like kind of dirtbags or old ladies. That's all that was in this town, as we'll talk about. That's all we're going to hear from in this is dirtbags and old ladies. Nobody else, which is awesome. That's small-town murder right there.

Those are my kind of people. Old ladies writing down tag numbers, which is always that's that small town murder right there those are my kind of people old ladies writing down tag numbers which is always hilarious to me a bunch of guys and wife beaters absolutely so mike has a girlfriend mike stiff he's got a girlfriend uh at the time he when he meets her or when he starts going out with her in the fall of 1979 she's about 19 years old okay and uh he's like 23 and then they'll be 21 and 25 in 1980 uh they meet they get together he moves in with this young lady and her mother okay so she lives with her mom and he moves into the house too that's how that works so he starts dating her and the mother eileen we'll talk about the young lady in a second. The mother, Eileen, the mother's name is Eileen Allison.

She said, quote, he told me he had no place else to stay. So let him stay here with my daughter. Now, her daughter, he's got no place to fuck her. So I may as well be under my roof. I figured it's better than in the spring. You know what I mean? It's I don't know. She's I don't want her getting pregnant. If she's in there, she's definitely getting pregnant. I figured it's better than in the spring. You know what I mean? I don't want her getting pregnant.

If she's in there, she's definitely getting pregnant. I mean, I don't know. She better be waterproof because otherwise there's one drop and it's all over with. So her daughter is Loretta Allison. She is 21 years old at this time. She is a strange bird. Let me tell you something. First of all, they're dirt poor, number one, which there's no judgment there.

That sounds like our childhoods. I feel you. Dirt poor. She also has a ninth grade education. Okay. We're starting to get a clearer picture now. Yeah. She has hair that, okay, it's blonde, blonde, blonde. Platinum, like Dolly Parton blonde.

Yeah. Okay. Almost white. Dolly Parton blonde, but down to her knees. Oh, gross. Her knees, Jimmy. It's the weirdest looking thing you've ever seen in your life. It just looks like, I don't know, she's been dead for five years and it kept growing or something like there's no your brain can't process it for some reason like

i see it and i'm like okay to each their own yeah that's fine but then i'm like oh god jesus what are her fucking drains like what are your drains like come on when she gets out of the shower she has to look like some kind of like Yeti coming out of, you know, covered in the hairs all over. There's no way it's staying organized. She's just going to look like a yellow Yeti emerging from the shower. Crystal Gale was a country singer.

She used to have it down to her fucking boots. It was... Oh, God. When I was a kid, I was like... Even then, I was like, that's not right. That's weird. That's not right. Don's weird. That's not right.

Don't do that. No. That was what made her famous, though. Yeah, maybe that's what she was into. I don't know. There was this girl. I don't get what. I don't understand why she's doing it, but she's known for it.

I mean, everybody stops her and asks her about it, and she likes the attention. She likes attention, this young lady as well she really really wants nice things she wants she wants to not be who she is she wants to not be a poor 21 year old with a dirtbag boyfriend you know banging him banging her under her mom's roof right with a ninth grade education she's looking to better herself and um according to her she says that although mike mike stith and her had this relationship and he moved in with the parents she said after about a you know a little after 1980 starts he she said it cooled off some and it became just more of a friendship at that right which is not true at all in bed that's weird yeah she's like oh god

her hair blows in the breeze and uh stits you farted in my hair again if you hear you farted in my hair again i think the relationship is on life support at that moment right that's disgusting oh god now i have to get the herbal essentials and really scrub it out of there you know how long it takes me to brush this i'm gonna wash it with tea tree now god damn it i think that's what's going on that probably happened though so uh her aunt or his aunt stitz aunt a woman named june patrick she said that whenever she was around them even after the time that loretta says they were just

friends they quote acted like boyfriend and girlfriend and uh they when they were at her house she would sit on his lap showing affection for one another you know like people who are together would do like like a relationship yeah not like people who broke up and now are just friends that's right sit on my lap ex-girlfriend that's strange now dr feel good over here dr duncan feel good he's crushing it he's having quite the life he's like i worked my whole life for this yeah i went to medical school i did residency i built a hospital i lived in fucking texas doing this whole bullshit i did all this built it up everything it's time to fuck now let's do it i'm doing ladders he's climbing ladders to hit six foot bongs and yelling at frank i pay you 400 a month light the stem light it let's go that's your job now

you feed the chickens you light the fucking tall bong that's what you do pull it let's go pull the carb you fucking pussy let's go i'm doing bring in the 19 year old i want to do a line off her ass like he's just he's crushing it he is having quite the life for himself. And in the late 70s, too. It's awesome. You know he changed his wardrobe up and got some big collars and shit. And he's like, this is what they're wearing now, right? Okay.

I just picture him like DeVito in Always Sunny when he's in the club with Mac. He goes out. He's like, go for it, go for it. Right? Right, Mac? Go for it, go for it. That's who he is, I picture. Rich as fuck. Whatever the kids, Mac? Go for it. Go for it. That's who he is, I picture. Rich as fuck.

Whatever the kids are wearing, give me that. Packing heat. He is Frank. Holy shit, he's Frank. He's definitely Frank. He's Frank Reynolds. He's Frank Reynolds if Frank Reynolds was a doctor, but it doesn't matter. Rich old guy.

He named his son Frank, James. He named his son Frank. It's amazing. His dad's name was Frank. Yeah. Yeah. his son frank it's amazing his dad's name was frank yeah so uh he basically they said his son says that these young women occasionally would even try to harm him yeah because you know they're this is a transactional relationship so you know it's not really based on any sort of mutual

admiration you'd beat him up you'd take more yeah uh they said when he was asked later on did you ever see anyone attempt to hurt dr danforth uh the son frank said quote his girls they were glad for a while and mad most of the time i saw one of them try to slap a knife in him jesus that's a that's a very texas way to put that yeah just try to stab try to slap a knife in him it's very casual isn't it yeah for like a stabbing wow he said paints a picture it definitely paints a clear picture frank also said that he got to know one of the women known as jesus christ Just knew her and, you know, quoted her as, quote, Diane the Hungarian. Okay. Diane the Hungarian.

Yeah. He says, quote, I don't want to say the cuss words she'd say. This is Frank. But she'd call them off and say, I'm going to kill you just about every time we were around the two, where the two were. So that's, she's screaming she's going to kill him all the time. So yeah, he's had some threatening shit going on. Frank also said that the woman would get pretty good sums of money from Dr. Duncan Feelgood here. Well, it costs a lot to put that in your mouth.

Well, yeah. One named Kathy got $1,000 a week. Wow. So these are escort prices for back then. I don't think these women are coming in to like, he didn't meet them. This is like a seeking arrangements type deal. He didn't meet them in a bar and was like, oh, I met this woman and we're trying to have a relationship.

He rented a woman for a while. He found somebody in Kansas City with a stockpile, and he pays for this. Want to come stay at my ranch? I'll pay $1,000 a week. We'll do a pretty woman, and then there we go. Hang this in your mouth every now and again, and then you go. Yep. Diane the Hungarian was getting $1,500 a week for living with him.

$1,500 a week? Yeah, that's big money. $1,000 a month. That's great. Yeah, that's not for fucking 1980. Holy shit, that's a lot of money back then. The son said if they weren't getting money, that's the reason they'd come and leave. Then they'd come back when they wanted more money.

So these women would come in. It's a crazy life he's leading from before. If you're his kids, you've got to be shaking your head going, what is dad doing holy shit is he spending all our money he's spending all our money isn't he that's not my inheritance paid for a hungarian this week we're gonna have nothing he's giving it all to diane the hungarian this is fucked uh another young lady that dr duncan feelgood has a penchant for is loretta allison oh really he likes that long hair matter of fact he's like terse and she was 16 years old god damn it so he was 70 and she was 16 and he was he already had declared that he wanted to marry her oh good lord he's a 70 year old retired creepy guy

who wants to marry a 16 year old that is but in this area of the country it's very jerry lee lewis at that point where they're like i mean he's got money i mean you marry him he ain't gonna live forever and then you're gonna get it all i mean you should do it 30 40 grand takes about a year off his life so if he's got two million what is he 26 but that's that's kind of what's going on with because she and her family enjoy the money is the thing they like that because he starts at 16 he begins to shower her with expensive gifts oh for years yeah for years and the parents are okay with this like no stop hey old man stop buying my teenager presents and declaring your undying love for her please that would thank you you old

creep very gross sending it to just her is grooming her sending it to like for all of our benefit is grooming all of us and indoctrinating all of us into this no shit he ended up buying her a mink coat oh boy a corvette he bought her a fucking corvette man that's 80s that's a yeah probably earlier if it was you that's awesome yeah yeah either way bought her a goddamn corvette which for unbelievable you know a 20 year old is pretty cool um and a mink coat And then eventually also buys her a diamond ring. Yeah. And with that diamond ring, my friend comes. Price to pay.

Well, there's a price to pay, and you've got to marry him now. That's an engagement ring. Yikes. So finally, in mid-1980, she agrees. Really? Over the summer of 1980, she says, you know what? Fine. I'll marry this old guy so loretta is going to marry dr fieldland this is where this is the backwoods of missouri we have a

75 year old man and his 21 year old platinum blonde down to her knees you know soon to be wife this is this is some weird shit that's happening right now. You're not Mick Jagger. You have to be a rock star for like 45 years for society to find it acceptable for you to bang someone 50 years younger than you. You just have to. Expanding a hospital

will not do it, Doc. No. Nope, nope, nope, nope. You have to be able to fill a stadium for that. Otherwise, you're not getting that kind of action. All year long. Anytime you want. Yeah. So early August 1980 comes around.

The wedding is set. It's going to happen very soon. The proposal happens the month before in July. And Michael Stith, he still lives there, though. He's still hanging around. She still lives with her mom, and Michael still lives there as well. So very strange goings on. though he's still she still lives with her mom and michael still lives there as well so uh very strange goings on michael stith in early august 1980 calls a friend of his in oloth kansas or

olathe i don't know how you say that with an olathe yeah with an e olathe kansas it looked like a lathe like in a wood shop is what i thought of it that's what it is. Olathe, Kansas. Calls his buddy there. He's got a pal named Harrison Detroit Williams. Old Detroit. Old Detroit. They call him Harry Detroit. All right. Old Harry Detroit.

He's a, quote, former bar owner. So he's a guy whose bar failed, and now he's just a guy who likes to stay up late and do coke i would assume anyway john taffer could have helped this man big time he yeah it might have saved us all a lot of trouble if uh well you know what i'm glad he didn't because we wouldn't have the episode well you know what still though i'd rather have life there's plenty of plenty of murder out there so harrison detroit williams is a bar owner or former bar owner stith calls him and he says listen i need you to do me a favor yeah uh i need you i have quote i need you to quote rough up an old man who's given me a hard time

right away yep i need you to rough up an old man who's giving me a hard time huh detroit should be like why can't you he's an old man so and what is he like flicking your ears he's an old man he's fucking with you i don't understand what you're why you need me for this badass is this old man and the great part is will, how Stith found Williams. They're not like buddies or anything. They didn't go to school together. Williams is the ex-boyfriend of Michael Stith's aunt. What?

That tells me he had to have said, hey, Aunt Kathy, who was that one guy you used to go out with? He seemed like a real scumbag. He got his number. That's what she had to say at some point. Do you happen to go out with he seemed like a real scumbag you got his number that's what she had to say still have detroit's number you got harry detroit's number because i mean i it was an untrustworthy swarthy character and i really feel like he's got the qualities i'm looking for for the particular job that i need done today what do you say what the fuck is going on man so uh old uh harry detroit said quote he told me there was an old

man down there where he was living that was giving him a hard time and he asked me if i could do anything about it yeah sure i'll push him down i guess he's an old man so williams williams detroit here harry detroit williams he doesn't even figure I'll handle it on my own. He grabs someone for backup. He employs somebody. He grabs Jack Percy, another Olathe residence, who's a 25-year-old unemployed construction worker. Hey, what do you think about punching old people? I'm not against it.

Come with me. Well, he knows that because jack piercy used to be johnny detroit's bouncer at the lounge you know so he's like when you punch that old man i got another one for you you still willing to punch old people in the face for very little provocation all right i gotta we're me and you are gonna talk let's have lunch this is insanity man absolute about it over a bar ruben crazy and by the way unemployed construction worker i guess in 1980 there was a lot of bad uh economic time so that makes sense i'm trying to think of uh because most people i know that work construction

they and we know a lot of people work construction they pretty much work if they want to there's always you could always walk onto a job site if you have some experience and tools always use somebody else they're always looking for somebody but not in 1980 they weren't i think building had kind of come to a halt at that point so anyway williams detroit finds percy and stith calls back with the terms here 1500 bucks yeah to quote rough up this old man to give him the him to get to put the boots to this old bastard. Let him know you mean business. Yeah. So they meet with Stiff. This is Jack Percy, Harry Detroit and Michael Stiff all meet on August 12th in Sedalia, wherever the fuck that is, to discuss the plan with Stiff, according to both Harry Detroit and Jack Percy, is a female companion whom he introduced as his girlfriend.

Holy Christ. They brought a lot of people into this. A lot of people. Now, this girlfriend later on will be identified by Harry Detroit and Percy as Loretta Allison. Uh huh. So that's what's going on here uh the girlfriend loretta waited in stith's car while the three of them discussed the plan so she sat in the car pensively awaiting and they saw her they just said young young just stroking it counting

the strokes marcia brady style so stith tells them that listen uh dr dr feelgood here and loretta are going to spend tomorrow they're going to get married and then they're going to spend the night at the breckenridge inn in kansas city for their honeymoon they're going that's where everybody goes for their honeymoon right the breckenridge inn in kansas. I would assume that would be in Breckenridge, Colorado, but I guess you can name anything. The Paris Hotel somewhere. There's plenty of those. They're in Vegas. There's a Miami, Ohio.

There's a Miami, Arizona. Yep, it's whatever it is. But maybe that's why our marriages didn't work out, Jimmy. Our first man, my marriage and I was going great, but the first one for both of us didn't work out. I feel like, cause we didn't have the proper honeymoon.

We didn't take our ladies to the Breckenridge in, in Kansas city. That would have set the foundation. I feel like for a much stronger marriage that would have lasted longer for us. I spent my time in, uh, Hilton head, South Carolina,

where my ex-wife complained that it was not Hawaii every single day. This is not Hawaii. Yeah, but it starts with an H. Same thing. Pretend the ocean's on the other side, okay? What do you want from me? What do you want from me? It's water!

Yeah, the sun comes out of it. It doesn't go in it. Just watch. It's awesome. Watch the sun rises, not the sets, okay? Just don't worry about it. Just protect. A few more mosquitoes, that's all. It's louder here. Enjoy it.

It's fine. You know, less Hawaii here. You know, more Confederate flags than you're probably going to find in the Hawaiian islands, I would assume. You know what the difference between this and Hawaii is? I can fucking afford it, so shut up. Yeah, that's the difference. We can come here and then still go

home to a home that we have. So, while this is all happening, he tells them they're going to be in Kansas City, and he tells them at that point, you can go to the hotel and Loretta will arrange for him to come out to the

parking lot about 9pm that night, and then you can kill him oh now yeah they were like hold on a second here wait i thought we were roughing him up and he said no no i was gonna steal a cane nope he said now that he quote wanted the old man killed and he wanted it done the 13th the next that next night after all that shit. He said, so much so, well, the Williams guy, Harry Detroit, he knows how to bargain. See, he's a negotiator from way back. He's a businessman. He said, well, if you want him killed, $1,500 for two of us isn't going to cut it.

I brought in a partner over here. So they came to an agreement that here's $1,500 now, and then we'll give you another $2,500 when the job's done. So $4,000. $4,000 is murder money? $4,000 apparently in 1980 in the Ozarks is murder money, I guess. Wow. So they said that since they couldn't get there, they would make plans. Basically, they said, yeah, we'll make plans to be there tomorrow night and all that sort of shit and then lure him out there at nine o'clock we'll be there

so they said okay and stith gives them information they also say his on his car you can know if his car is in the parking lot to know if they're there yet because on his car there's a bumper sticker that reads the world's greatest citizen so you look for that bumper sticker, and dead serious. And then you'll know if he's there. The doctor bag full of weed and guns. Good fuck. That's the other thing. He said, listen, he's also going to have a bunch of drugs and weed and a gun.

So if you want to steal that, you can have that too. So then you get the money plus whatever he's got on him, which I mean, it's like door number two, who the fuck knows he could have, you know, he could have a shitload of Coke in there.

We don't know. We could have a bunch of Dilaudid or some, you know, great pill you can sell for a lot of money. Horrible fucking opioid. What we do know is that it is not a goat. So it's a great prize. It's going gonna be something good

there'll be something expensive in there probably so he hands stiff i'm sorry stiff i shouldn't say he there's like three people here he hands harry detroit and jack percy an envelope in this envelope is fifteen hundred dollars mostly in hundreds if you're gonna going to give, you got to get your, you know, go to a bank, get it right. Don't pay someone there's $1,100 and then the rest is 20s and then there's a 10 and then there's like 50 bucks and fives in there. No, that's not how you pay for hit money. If anybody, please, if anybody ever kills me and has me paid to be killed, please do it with some. Big bills. Just a consistent denomination.

I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's a stack of 20s this big or a bunch of 50s or just 100s, but don't mix it up. There's some singles in there, too. Sorry. Do you take quarters? Don't do that. It makes me feel cheap.

50s and 100s. Feel cheap. Nothing smaller. 20s even feels like, you know, I had all this in the safe, then you bargained for more, so I had to hit the ATM on the way over here. It does. 20s. Why are you so unprepared?

50s and 100s, motherfucker. Well, in here also, two photographs and a map as well. Okay. So here's a bunch of mixed change. We made you some mixed. Mixed domination. Mixed domination. And a couple rolls and quarters.

Yeah, there's like nickels in there why is there it's rattly the envelope he's like oh there's some nickels in there there's like 40 cents of nickels and like three dimes and a quarter cleaned up the cup holder of my car for this man i had to really scrape it together buddy so make sure you do it right so in this two photographs and a map i want to make sure you make it look like an accident i mean come on now so this is a real clandestine meeting though here's the envelope there's money there's a map there's pictures in here in the pictures is a yellow four-door osmobile delta 88 so big boat big ass yeah big boat car and another picture was of quote an old man sitting at a table having a drink is what harry detroit would say and harry would say

it's the it was the man that we were supposed to rough up and it was dr duncan in there the map showed the quickest route from olaive to the Breckenridge Inn in Kansas City, which is near Interstate 435, a mile south of Worlds of Fun, which I'm sure isn't there anymore. This was 40 years ago and from a newspaper, so who knows? Probably a sex shop. Giant dildos, I assume, whatever. Walls full of them.

Dr. Duncan shops there a lot. He's got another bag that he carries, like a baseball equipment bag. Yeah. One of those. So that's where it is, and they said that's where it should take place. Go there. Let's do it. And like we said, he said also he's got narcotics.

He's got weed. They said he carries in his car sometimes up to four pounds of weed around with him. Jesus Christ. Pounds. Imagine if this car just stinks. You can't have four pounds of weed and not smell it. You can smell that shit. In a doctor bag?

That's on airtime. Not in a doctor bag. He'll put it in the car, like in the trunk. He'll just have four pounds of weed. He's got a bunch in his doctor bag, you know, just to have at the handy. But if you need weight, you go to the trunk and... This is fucking crazy. Dr feel good i'll hook you the fuck up and uh but yeah he also has other drugs uh pills powders and a 45 automatic in his

in his uh in his bag so that's how he does that so that's tuesday october 12th like we said all the photographs everything like that uh aug 13th, 1980 is wedding day. All right. Wedding bells are ringing. Can you hear it? Oh, the bride is just nervous, getting her hair done. I'm sure she's got her mom there. Smell them.

You can smell the flowers. Photographers are getting their film loaded. Yeah. You know, everybody's getting their rice ready to throw. Somebody's got a bad attitude. Oh, you know. It's happening. There's a bridesmaid who had a real rough night last night.

Dr. Duncan has bright red eyes and coke around his nostrils probably. Joint hanging out of his mouth. His hair's all fucked up. He's ready to go. So the wedding day comes around. They head over to the Camden County Courthouse where we all get married and they are married by a judge. And that is in the early afternoon. And after they took their their vows, they crossed the street from the courthouse to a lawyer's office right there in their wedding garb.

So he could change his will to include her benefit her yeah right they literally didn't even get in the car they went right from the courthouse went to the lawyer in there and this would be that the wife would get about half of his estate which is about 1.5 million dollars at this point so exactly stan yep he's gonna give he's gonna give half to her it's exactly what stan did he was saying i want to include that hers half give her a share like my kids basically so that's what this guy says he wants to do he wants to cut her in half and the rest go she gets half and then the kids split the other half that's that's fucked that's wild yeah wild so my god they go right there and this is an attorney

that she called and she found and she was very adamant that she be included in the will and he was like well i'm very adamant that we get married first so as soon as we get married we can head over there i get what i want you get what you want that's right and once they do all of that they head over to the breckenridge inn in kansas city for some honeymoon and he got what he wanted she got what she wanted now it's time to really give tim what he's with her own hair like rapunzel let's go man and keep her in a fucking in a dungeon you know at her an attic or wherever the hell they're going yeah that's he pulled up to the hotel and he's like does this place place have like an attic, like a tower maybe?

Do you have like a tower? I know the honeymoon suite. Yeah, that's great. But I'm looking for more of a tower. Something pretty high up. It's got to be four or five stories at least. A tower's got to be four or five stories. No need for a door.

Don't even bother. No, no, no. You're not keeping anyone prisoner on the second floor. That's it. So a small one she's got to be able to look out you know more sorrowful sorrowfully look over the the town see how great it is out here things like that you know it's kansas city they just got to be able to see an alley where somebody's blowing somebody for five dollars she's got to see that so they do all of this they go there now once they're there um

well first of all the old will i should say quickly he's got three children a daughter from his first marriage two from his second marriage and frank danforth and jeanette barb are the two i guess that got the most money and And I guess Jeanette is only supposed to get $10,000 in this new will. And then the rest of it would be split between this

Loretta and the son, Frank. And her share, Loretta's share was going to be, at this point, $953,279.90. cents that's a lot that's what she is set to inherit frank the son is going to get 523 590 dollars and one cent at one cent and loretta's mother eileen is going to get 50 000 in the event of a common accident involving Loretta and Dr. Feelgood. Like if they drove off a cliff together, she

gets 50 grand for some reason. I don't know why. But now the Will also mentions a third child, Lynn Coates, but gives her nothing. Not a goddamn thing, which is wow. What does kids ever do to him something this guy is fucking done

taking the world shit apparently and then every day those inheritances drop because he's spending money on prostitution and drugs and everything else but he's also making money selling drugs so yeah he's got that going on too that's That's probably piles of cash. Now, the old will that he had split the money between equal shares between Frank and Jeanette and left the other daughter, the one who got UGOTS and the last will, $1. That's, dude, that's a stick to you. You get a million dollars, you get a million dollars you get a million dollars you get one dollar not nothing you get one fucking dollar so you're gonna get a check sent to your house for a dollar that's minus my fees of course right that's the tip of just the change you know

when it's 49.76 and somebody's left 24 cents that's what a big fuck you. It's a fuck you. It's an awful. It's not as stiffing. It's even worse. It's a limp dicking. It's pretty shitty. I got to be honest. It's very, very shitty. So the way this is going on,

now let's get to the Breckenridge. Now I will go into this by describing it how the court did. Let's see. This is a exact quote from a court document at this point. Quote, what followed was a macabre comedy of errors. That's in a court document. Hollywood said that about some other fucking, like a movie.

This is a, I'm so mad we did this because this is one of those things where no one's ever heard of this case. I could have wrote this screenplay and put it out and it would have been amazing. And no one would have ever known I stole it from this and all that. But now I can't do it. Now I have to get rights and shit. It's crazy.

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detroit arrive they're already there they pull up early they arrive at the breckenridge between four and five p.m very early they're like omar getting the drop on somebody show up super early and smoke a pile of newports so check-in time yeah uh the car in the photo was not in the hotel lot yet which makes sense because they weren't supposed to be there till later so instead rather than just wait for murder they said want to go bowling i'll go bowling sure let's go bowling dude let's go throw a couple games man sure now we'll kill that old man but let's let's go bowling first'll go bowling sure let's go bowling dude let's go throw a couple games man sure now we'll kill that old man but let's let's go bowling first i'm in the mood for like a pretzel and a pitcher and we'll go go bowl us a couple games we've never heard of anybody go no we can't murder

right now go bowling for a while that's never happened on our show one of those two certainly recommended goofy golf first i ain't in the mood for that, man. I want the little kids everywhere bowling. They got beer there. I'm in, buddy. And they drove. And then also, once they did that, they also drove around before they went bowling and after they went bowling to smoke some weed as well. Of course.

Smoking some joints, going and doing some bowling, and then came on back to the lot. Once they got back to the lot, they spot the car. There it is. World's greatest citizen. It's all there. Yellow Oldsmobile 88, the whole deal. At 9 p.m., just like Loretta said, she said, I'm going to send him outside at 9 p.m., be ready for him.

At 9 p.m., Dr. Danforth leaves the hotel heading for his car this is it this is exactly what they've all been waiting for harry detroit and percy get into position and do nothing they don't kill him okay they do nothing they don't kill him at all so loretta's sitting up there like waiting to hear a gunshot or something like waiting for something a couple minutes later dr danforth just comes back to the hotel room hey i got that map out of the car or wherever i went there for he sent him down for the giant dildo and she's like i don't have to take that thing tonight i ain't taking that he comes back in with the giant dildo where were they at not take it i don't have to give that tonight you mean yeah that. That's it.

To get the straight jacket, honey? Well, you might want to head back out to the car. So, and again, we always say, like, we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families, but this is fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry. This is a 75-year-old man. He wants to fuck a 16-year-old, and then she's got hair down to her knees. I mean, this is a goddamn disaster. So, so i'm sorry whatever comes out it's coming out here we don't want anybody to die

but this is silly so um jesus christ she they're like well fuck um he didn't kill him what are we gonna do so what ends up happening is she sends him back outside yeah well you forgot that what just go back out there because she thinks well maybe they didn't see him there's no no one can text or anything this is 1980 so you're just hoping that they're there ready to shoot the guy he keeps coming back in the room she's like well maybe they missed him maybe they went so they they went out uh the second time the both of them went. They went to the hotel lounge there and they saw Jesus Christ. They saw Loretta there. She said she was going.

He was going out to the car. She's going to go to the bathroom there in the lounge rather than waiting to kill him outside. So she says, well, what the fuck, dude? What are you going to what are we doing here? And she said they said we can't do it. It's all there's a million. It's a fucking hotel. If you if you know how hotel is it's all the windows are facing the parking lot so they're like what do you want james when you go to a hotel when you climb into your into your rack in a hotel room what what is the one thing that you want what do i want quiet quiet yes absolutely gunshots are not not quiet no that's not quiet quiet and a gunshot

you're going to your fucking window and looking what's out there yeah you're looking everyone's going to be looking out the window it's going to be like in vacation when clark jumped into the pool and was like oh cold cold nude christy brinkley every single person came outside to look at and see what was going on every single person that's what a hotel is it's a bunch of people go i'm fucking sleeping in there i'm fucking in there either way you're interrupting something i want to do that you're not involved in right so that's what's happening with with that they said also there's like shit across the street there's tons of people that could see this we can't do it she told them well you better fucking do it now you have to do it because if you don't do it i have to fuck this old man she hasn't fucked him yet she's been telling him

she's been playing the oh you know once we get married and i'll be ready but you know i'm not that kind of girl she's been doing that kind of shit this whole time so now she says i have to fuck him if you guys don't kill him like real soon because we got married and he thinks it's go time. Clock's ticking, boys. We have to do it. I'm running out of excuses of why we're not fucking and he has to go to the car instead. I took a Corvette and a mink coat, but for Christ's sake, I'm not fucking that man. No shit.

So she said, Stith said eventually that they wanted more money or he has to. He said, I'll get you more money. He tells them because he shows up to and he says, I'll get you more money. Now they're all in the lounge. Well, this guy's out in the parking lot. You're worried about witnesses. Everybody's seen you together by now. That's the other ridiculous thing.

So they say, like, look, we'll get you more money. Just make sure you get it done tonight. Just go out there. Make sure she doesn't have to fuck this guy. So she goes back to the room. Michael Stith leaves. They head out to the parking lot. By then, Dan Forth has already gone back upstairs, Dr. Duncan.

She sends him out twice more. Somehow gets this man to go outside four fucking times. The fourth time, and we're're talking like 15 20 minutes in between each interval so i forgot my eyeliner i forgot what how many fucking things can i forget in that goddamn car you guys well this time somehow she convinced him that the car was too far away from the door on the fourth trip he went out got in the car drove around the parking lot and parked it closer to the door so they're like there yeah now you're you're not so in view of everybody i think is what she was doing if you're right against the building it's harder to see you know so hey what about that

uh didn't help though they did they did nothing again but uh they did percy and and harry detroit did end up finding loretta again in a hallway near the hotel lounge while she was waiting so he said well that's not any better now even more people could see the car because now we're right by the hotel she's like well you told me they could see out the windows now they can't see out the windows and she now he's like well now they don't even have to look out the windows they're just right. You just went right up to the goddamn hotel. Shit. She's like, fuck. This is, god damn it.

This is ridiculous. So she said, quote, they told her, quote, she said she couldn't keep putting the doctor off, is what Percy said. Something had to happen because he's starting to get suspicious. Starting to get suspicious? It's four times. He should have been suspicious two times ago. Yeah, so this isn't working out so far. How has she been putting off the doctor's sexual advances, Jimmy?

How do you think she's been doing it? She's on her period. Nope. I got diarrhea. I got diarrhea. i got diarrhea she said i told him i had diarrhea but that ain't gonna work all night no he'll wait for it diarrhea meds in his bag he she gave me a pill he gave me some imodium and i'll tell you what i'm all bound up i'm gonna have to fuck him you know how much pept-Bismol I've drank? This is ridiculous.

So, got diarrhea. Every time he's getting close, he's like, oh God, I gotta go shit now before we have any sex. That's literally what happened. That is awesome. So, later on, they asked the two, Percy and, well, Percy we'll get to now. They said, well, why didn't you do anything that night in the parking lot? And he said, quote, I don't know. We were still talking it over. So they were there, accepted money, brought a gun to the thing, but they still weren't sure they were going to do it or not.

Because they're not murderers, that's why. No, they're just regular dirtbags. I mean, I'm sure they could have jumped out and roughed them up a little bit, but murder is another issue. I mean, I'm sure they could have jumped out and roughed him up a little bit, but murder is another issue. Shooting a 70 year old man and later in life is impossible. You can't do that. I feel like you'd feel like a piece of shit no matter what. Shoot your grandpa.

So Harry Detroit said, quote, I told her we couldn't do anything as planned because the parking lot was too well lit. There were too many people in and out and there were windows all along the front of the hotel. It was terrible. You might as well put us on TV with this shit. She said that Williams, or Percy said, quote, this was their wedding night, and she said she wasn't sleeping with the old man. So there you go.

So there are, like we said, multiple trips to the car. Eventually, he goes out to the car again, but then comes back. And Loretta decides that we're going to go to McDonald's. Okay. She goes downstairs and talks to Stiff, who's got them out there, the two guys. And she says, listen, I'm going to tell him I want some McDonald's, even though I have diarrhea. Right. I've got a really upset stomach. Can you put shit in there that'll make it worse?

Let's just get it all out at once. I'm going to see if I can drop my pancreas on that next time I head in the bathroom. So she said that. Get some real force behind this. Yeah, I really want to shoot it out. That's the thing. I don't want to have to push or anything i just want my colon to fall out and then i can flushing tuck it back in for later

she said i'll get him i'll get dan forth to drive me to a mcdonald's and i'll go in and i'll leave him in the car with the keys in the ignition right i'll go in to get the food leave him in there you guys jump in the car kill him and then drive away in the car okay right you got him in the body in the car you guys have the car you drive away you can go do whatever you want it's all contained everything's perfect she does say and this is fucking amazing to uh this is a williams quote harry detroit she also said to be sure and keep an eye on the car because it was hers and she didn't want it to get all bloody. Oh, my God. She was actually worried about them getting blood on her interior.

Yeah, it's going to be my car. So if you're going to kill him in there, like, you know, be careful with it, too, because it's mine. So this is fucking amazing. So they they go to McDonald's. They follow her in here uh piercy and williams she walks in the mcdonald's and they're in there they follow her in there so she goes up to get something thinking he's gonna be murdered outside she turns around they're behind her in line hi yeah an ice cream cone sounded great hi y'all just fucking

ridiculous right so this is getting really really silly so now she says okay they said it's too many people outside of mcdonald they come in and out it's fast food it's fast they don't aren't in there long to come out to get in there it's like a fucking revolving door there's two billion served there's so many jesus i feel like they're all here tonight two billion tonight. Two billion just tonight. By the way, who the fuck gets married on a Wednesday? That's the other thing.

Yeah, that's a great point. Very strange. So her new plan is, okay, fine. You can't do it in the McDonald's parking lot. I get it. Follow us back to the fucking Breckenridge Inn, and I'll leave the door unlocked for you, and you sneak into the room and just kill him in there. Kill him with his own gun.

Do that. Oh, my God. I'll tell you where it is, and you can burst into the room, and I'll help you, and then you grab his own gun and shoot him with his own gun. Just get it over with, okay? Please don't make me fuck him is what she's saying i hope these two just burst in shoot her and leave right fuck this sir shoot them both so they she said look if you do this if you get it done there's more in it for you there's four thousand dollars and my mink

coat and i'll throw in my diamond ring you can have it all wow for the low low price of killing this old man in a motel room with his own gun so i don't have to fuck him right this is this is ridiculous this is insanity how you get here i don't know this is why not comedy of errors no i can't i'm not gonna what are you talking about how about my 20s yeah don't don't marry a 75 year old man intending on killing him and taking his money and if you're a 75 year old man don't look at a 16 year old girl as potential life material right these are both things that everyone should follow and none of this would happen on both sides you mean don't be a pedophile everybody's happy yeah like i said in missouri though that's, Missouri in 1980, that's a really gray line, a real

wavy, blurry gray line that you're talking about with pedophile at 16. 16 was considered well in play in Missouri. In the Ozarks in 1980. That's two years mature. That was like, is she going to get married or what? Because this is like, like i mean she should start having kids soon i would think jesus she's gonna dry out oh man she's gonna be an old maid at 23 it's gonna be sad so back to the motel we go all right back to the motel this is by the way

opportunity number six if you're keeping count six four times outside once once at McDonald's, this is number six. That they're murder plot six here. So they go in the hotel to go toward the door and kill him. They're going to go do it. Sort of. Williams eventually will say, Harry Detroit, as soon as we got off the elevator, we realized then the sound could be heard all the way through the hotel. Right. You just realized that a gunshot could be heard in the interior of a building within that building you just realized the properties of sound and the way your ears work they got off the hotel and said

what do you think about oh my god did you just hear how far my voice just carried oh man shit whisper it's loud in this hallway yeah everybody let Everybody can hear us. We're going to let off guns in here? Let's get out of here. So they ended up shutting the door and shutting the elevator door, going back down. They opened it up, went, oh, it's going to be loud. Door closed and went back down to the lounge. So they go back down to the lounge. They sit there like, I don't know what to do. Well, I guess fuck it then.

Next thing you know, here comes loretta into the lounge again how this guy isn't like okay the jig is up here yeah this is we have to go to mcdonald's i have to move the car go around you got you got the shits you're going back and forth to the lounge constantly so yeah at this point i guess loretta told piercey quote that the doctor was getting really upset. So this is a big deal. So then she said, I'll tell you what. I'll tell him that I need to go for a walk. And we'll go for a walk on the outside of the hotel. We'll walk all the way around to the dark part over there.

Because every hotel has that dark corner that no one parks in. The one I smoke weed in. In non-weed legal states. That's me in the corner over there. Part where Simba would never go. That's where I am, just over there at two in the morning in fucking Omaha. Yep. That's where I am in Omaha at two in the morning going, fuck, this is my fucking life.

All right. Yeah. That's right. I'm smoking weed in your parking lot. So that's, she's like, I'll take him out there, y'all. And you all just, you know, do your thing to him out there. So she gets him outside, walks around. Nothing happened.

They don't pop up ever. They never kill him. They just go for a long walk. They're in the spot. She's like, oh, I'm going to stretch for a minute. My shoes untied. Nobody ever pops up. Oh, I tripped over my hair that's amazing so that's number seven that's attempt number seven or chance number seven then jesus christ they get back up to the room she sends him to the parking lot again okay she sends the doctor back down again and he does it he fucking does it and they

don't kill him so that's eight times in one night yeah one night so at this point she somehow extracts herself from the room goes back down to the lounge and meets harry detroit and percy at the lounge again how many times is this bartender seeing these three people meet up whisper in a corner conspiratorially and then break up and go in separate directions how many times does that happen back to her room for 10 minutes and tells him another thing that they either need to do or she needs to do yeah or that her stomach needs to do one of the her butthole needs to do so they at this point come up with the idea that uh maybe they'll go drive around right now and figure it out so because we've been seen so many times in

the hotel rather than figure it out now come with us outside so she leaves and goes for a ride in the car with these two guys jesus what does he think she's doing shitting ropes like what's what is she doing it's like a magician pulling handkerchiefs out of his mouth what's got a mean case of the squirts this poor girl it's wild it is well she's gonna be sitting atop a mountain of it right now she's just dancing the aztec two-step all night at a pile, a mountain of dung at this moment. So, yeah, they drive around, the three of them, trying to figure it out. And they come up with the idea, let's kill him tomorrow. You know what?

I might be able to shit my way through the night. So if I can shit my way through the night, we'll figure it out tomorrow. We never do find out, or we do know that she doesn't fuck him. So there's that. We know that because the next morning the doctor called his son and talked to him on Thursday morning, August 14th. Boy, does he have some complaints. Oh, he's bitching and moaning. He does.

The son, Frank, said that his father said that was, quote, was upset because she gave him the runaround up at Breckenridge Inn. He said, if this doesn't work and she will not come live with me, I'm going to sue her for everything I've given her. So he wants it all back. He's like, if she doesn't start giving up some that ass and then moving in with me and being my wife, I'm going to sue her for all the gifts I gave her. Which, sorry, dude, you can't do. You're an old man courting a young guy a young girl like that what do you think you're gonna have to do sorry the judge is gonna say you're a dummy yeah what you think is gonna happen you're alive yeah exactly so thursday

morning august the 14th uh we're doing this here they drive they're driving back home to the Climax Springs area. Loretta here is to try to persuade. She's got to get Dr. Feelgood to stop the car along the highway. Okay? Get him to stop the car along the highway. Williams and Percy are going to follow you behind you. And when you stop on the highway, we're going to pull over. And Percy is going to force his way into the car and kill him. That's how we're going to do it. You're going to be all pulled stop on the highway we're gonna pull over and percy is gonna force his way into the car and kill him okay that's how we're gonna do it you're gonna be all pulled over on

the highway no big deal it's fascinating that the the theory behind all of this is just to get to kill the the idea of killing why it takes so much to kill somebody though like what are you gonna just jump in and go you're dead and then they're dead they're not like the grim reaper you've got a lot to do then. Blow his brains out. Now she's got brains in her nice long blonde hair. Right. And you have to figure out how from the side of the highway in broad daylight to dispose

of this blood capsule of a car now and this human being inside of it as well without anyone seeing it. This is a bad plan. Yeah. This is a bad plan. without anyone seeing it. This is a bad plan. Yeah.

This is a bad plan. They're supposed to follow the couple on Interstate 435 to its intersection with US 50. Loretta's going to be driving at this point, and she's going to make an excuse to stop the car in an abandoned area. So they try to get away from that. Once she leaves the car, she's supposed to get out and go in the trunk and get something. That's when Percy's supposed to hop in the car, she's supposed to get out and go in the trunk and get something. That's when Percy's supposed to hop in the car, be waiting on him, and jump in and kill Dr. Danforth and move on.

So the men that night, while waiting for this, they leave the Breckenridge Inn that night before. And they went and got a room at the Best Western Motel near US 50 in Lee's Summit. Because you want to be as close to the murder scene in a documented fashion as possible. You don't want to stay, you know, half hour away and drive there. Well,

that's, there's one rod in the intersection. Let's just stay there. Might be able to just shoot him from the window. Now that I think about it, we don't have to leave the room. Watch the damn. Yeah.

We can watch the damn game on TV while we're doing it. So, uh, when they got there, it's 7 a.m. I'm sorry, that day they get their 7 a.m. wake-up call because they're supposed to follow and be lying in wait for this man. They got a wake-up call. So they got a wake-up, even a wake-up call, just to make sure to pinpoint their timeline with the motel employee goes oh no i talked i woke him up at seven and yeah so they got their wake-up call they woke up yeah and then

detroit says it this way detroit says quote me and jack talked it over and decided to blow it off to forget about it for the time being just things wasn wasn't right and go back to Olathe. They just blew it off. They just fucking blew it off. That's because four grand isn't that much money. No. She stopped at the rest or whatever, the abandoned area, went in the car, checked the tires. I mean, there's only so much shit you can do before you have to get back in the car. It's not like she's going to start.

I'm just going to switch the plugs out real quick. Hold on a minute. You got a jack back there? The plug wires. The plug wires look a little short. They're a little short. I'm going to fix it up. Don't worry about nothing.

You stay in there, honey. Do some of your bag drugs. Just do something. Wait for me. You got a Sudoku in there? Do that. Do one of them Sudokus. People your age seem to like them.

So anyway, then they're forced to continue on back to town. So they go back to town. Dr. Feelgood drops Loretta off at her mother's house. There's a reason for that. And returns to his ranch. Now, the reason is conflicting she says this didn't really i the son backs it up too so i guess it's not really conflicting loretta says that dr danforth said that uh she can't live with him right yet because one of her one of his ex-girlfriends

possibly diane the hungarian we're not sure one of his ex-girlfriends, possibly Diane, the Hungarian, we're not sure. One of his ex-girlfriends was threatening him and threatening any girl that's around the house. And she said that he was very concerned about me and didn't want me to go to the ranch and be murdered by a mad Hungarian. So that's how that happened. So, Jesus Christ, Friday, August 15th comes around, the next day. So that's two days since the original murder plot. It's getting to be a little long in the tooth with this murder plot here, yeah. So they're on a mission now to kill him. Williams, Detroit Williams here in Percy, they meet Stith, Michael Stith, on Friday morning outside a bait shop in Edwards, Missouri, where all transactions occur.

Y'all want to meet me by the bait shop? You know it, buddy. It's not far from Climax Springs. So Detroit Williams says that Stith said that the doctor would be leaving dinner at the Ollison house at about 9 p.m. and they could just kill him then when he's leaving the house. He'll drive off into a kind of a rural area. So Williams, Detroit Williams, later says, quote, he, meaning Stiff, quote, he showed us where the doctor would be coming out.

He showed us where we could stash the body in an old dump. Jesus. And it would be a couple weeks before anybody would find it. So, you know, we could stash the body in an old dump jesus and it would be a couple weeks before anybody would find it so you know we could be long gone so they williams and percy said well i mean shit we shoot him here we're gonna have to carry him to the dump i got an idea what if we just wait by the dump and just shoot him as he drives by the dump. That way we ain't got far to take him. All right. That's their plan.

So that evening, Percy waited by the dump with his gun and Williams waited down the road in the car out of sight to collect him when it's over with. So this is the plan. We're going to shoot him right by the dump and just dump him on in there. plan we're gonna shoot him right by the dump and just dump him on in there so williams detroit would say later on quote i heard a car come come by and i was waiting to hear a gunshot but there was no gunshot of course not soon after when the two men were back in the car though uh percy told williams quote i couldn't see who was driving that car and i wasn't just gonna shoot anybody driving on down the road i ain't to just shoot any old person driving. It could be anybody.

Four grand on their head. Yeah. And it's pitch black outside. You can't see it with flat headlights coming. You don't know what the fuck is in that car. You don't even know what the car is until it's passing you. You have no idea. So that Friday goes by.

The bumper sticker's on the back. Yeah. Is that him? Oh, shit. Jesus Christ. Fuck, I can't run that fast damn it shit all right well new plan so that's sad that's friday that plan's a bust now we're up to saturday morning august the 16th this has been going on all this a whole week poor jesus just poor dodge and all

kinds of shit poor dr magoo i'll tell you what uh detroit williams and percy they meet with stith on saturday morning again this time he shows them a high-powered rifle he's like look i got this rifle all right and he tells them dr danforth keeps a bunch of really valuable shit in his house that'd be worth stealing not only does he have drugs and guns he's also got the coins he's got all sorts of shit he's been collecting he's a rich guy who's been around for 75 years he's got treasures you know he's got stuff yeah he's got stuff so stith told them that dan forth would be having dinner with the olesons again that night so he got another chance and he's expected to leave about nine o'clock again so they could try once more and do it so uh later on

though uh unbeknownst to them dan forth called the ollisons and said he couldn't make dinner that night so he's not going to show up so there's that so uh he even by the way for this whole thing stith even showed percy and williams gave him the rifle, showed him, you know, you could do this. He even showed him where the doctor lived, told him about the possessions, and informed them that the only other person who lives down this road, okay, it's just him. Nobody's out here. There's no hotel. There's no fucking windows. There's nothing.

One person lives on this road, and it's a extremely senile old woman, full of, wracked with dementia, lives by herself, all alone on this road and it's a extremely senile old woman full of direct with dementia lives by herself all alone on this road. She's the only person here. She's not going to give you any issues. Don't worry. Unreliable witness. Yeah. Unreliable. And she's just not going to bother you because she doesn't know where she is.

So the two of them drive down the road later to, you know, to take care of business while driving down the road. Somehow they ran into this woman. Oh, no. Not only did they see her, they had a conversation. She was like outside or something. Her name's Mrs. Vivian Scott. She asked them, what are you doing here? Get out of here.

Leave. I'm trying to take my fish for a walk. Then said, I'm writing down your license plate number. Jesus Christ. Even her. That is great. I'm writing down your license plate number. You get the hell out of here.

They're like, well, how the fuck are we supposed to kill this guy? There is one soul that lives down this road. she happens to be writing the license plate number down and telling them about it that is fantastic this guy either danforth is the most charmed son of a bitch in the world yeah or these two are the biggest morons who've ever walked the face of the earth and i think it's probably a little bit of a little column a little column b on this one i'm gonna go with this is he has lived 74 years and is now living his fucking dream life it makes sense that he's got a little bit of luck in that dream life let's see what i mean how he's mr magoo yeah he's walking guys are shooting waiting by dumps with rifles and

like old ladies or torpedoes yeah stepping over him do, going into a McDonald's, sitting out there. He's sitting out there humming an old tune. He's sitting out there humming along to a Motown song while they're plotting his murder over an extra value meal inside. What the fuck is going on? He has no idea. A long, long time ago when he started singing the day the music died. Just having a great day. Hey, hey, wait a minute, Mr. Postman. went on he has no idea a long long time ago and he's singing the day the music died just having a great day wait a minute mr postman i think that's all i can sing probably legally so he's

just saying she's like i can't eat these cheeseburgers too much longer y'all you gotta do something it's a fucking disaster so they looked at each other the old lady's yelling at them and writing down their license plate number so they looked at each other. The old lady's yelling at them and writing down their license plate number. So they look at each other and shrug their shoulders and go, well, what the fuck? We can't do this. Never mind. And they just go home to Olay. Just leave and go to Kansas again.

That's all. We give up. We give up. We're not real reliable. Right. So, oh, my God. Sunday comes around, August 17th. And that is when they, like I said, up they went off to ole they went back to ole blowing 11 chances to murder 11 it's 11 that's

what would happen if somebody hired me to kill this would be the two of us yeah do you want to do it now i don't know there's a lot of people. We can't. Well, he's gone now. Shit. Okay. We argued about it for too long. Okay. McDonald's. Next plan. This is fucking crazy. This is stupid. Jimmy, what the fuck?

You were like, we need the money. I'm like, fuck, dude. This is ridiculous. Do you know how long this has taken? Think about it. What's our time worth? In the end, what's our hourly wage? We're out here for hours.

We're sleeping in a motel room. That's how we'd be arguing. You got to do it. You're the one that tells the story, not me. Yeah. You tell the story, dude. And while that's happening, he drives by. And we're like,. You got to do it. You're the one that tells the story, not me. Yeah, you tell the story, dude. And while that's happening, he drives by. And we're like, ah, shit.

All right, tomorrow. Tomorrow, then. Tomorrow. This is a mess. So they abandoned ship the day before, like we said. Williams would later say, well, he at that point telephoned. The next morning, he called up Stith and said, quote, we couldn't kill the he at that point telephoned the next morning. He called up Stith and said, quote, we couldn't kill the doctor because we'd been seen in the area.

And there was an old lady yelling at us and writing down our license plate number. So we left. That call came in at 936 a.m., at least within business hours, but still early. That's pretty good. Morning. We got a problem. so uh loretta as you may have noticed he is not dead he is not as you may or may not have realized he is alive and well now it's time you have looked to the other side of the bed unless he died of natural causes in his sleep i'm going to assume he's still alive. So obviously we didn't really carry through. So then that day, Loretta gives Michael Stith a ride to his aunt's house in Eldon, Missouri. This is the aunt that said that they've been all sitting on each other's laps and all that

shit. So they were observed that day displaying affection for each other. This is Loretta and Michael. And again, sitting on a lap and doing all that shit. So later on that day, a different aunt, another aunt named Angela Knoll, she gives Michael Stith a ride back to Climax Springs. During the ride, he asked her if she would provide him with an alibi. She's like, look, Aunt Angela, can you possibly hook me up with an alibi? Hey, if the cops ask you.

Yeah, you just need to say this. Now, once they get to Climax Springs, he had her drive past the Ollison residence and let him out. And then drive through town, do a loop, come back, pick him up. So just let me out, come back in him up so just let me out come back about 10 minutes pick me up on her return uh she said where she had left him she was going back she said a gray truck passed by her driven by an old man now dr danforth drives around a gray chevy pickup truck when he's not doesn't know that when he doesn't have his lady with him. Then he gets the old 88, you know, to be real fancy. I'm not trying to impress the bitches.

Yeah. She said when this happened, Michael Stith ducked down in his seat and said, that's the guy I'm waiting for. So, wow. And then as requested, he drove him further down the road. She said, well, where do you want me to go? And he said, further down the road and drop me off and then take off. So she does that. She takes off, and that's that.

So that's the last she sees of him there. He also, but he definitely asked his aunt to be an alibi and all that sort of thing. So Danforth had been at the Allison home, as scheduled, ate dinner. The doctor leaves at 9 o'clock. Well, they ate dinner, and then they were talking about her move to the ranch. He now says that he cleared everything up with the girlfriend and everything's fine. It's all paved smooth for you to come to the ranch. So this ends up happening there.

He leaves at about nine o'clock, drives away and never seen again. Never heard from again. Expect a diarrhea butt to move in tomorrow. That's right. Diarrhea butt going to be here. Oh, that's got to be tough diarrhea with that hair that goes past your ass. She got shit in her hair at some point if she actually had diarrhea. Yeah.

She definitely got poop in her hair. That's not a good thing. Rather have your boyfriend's farts in it. Yeah. I got poop in my hair, farts in my hair. I got enough problems with my own functions. So the next day, Dr. Danfort's blood-stained pickup truck is found abandoned by highway patrolmen on Route EE south of Highway 7, seven miles from where we'll eventually find the rest of him here.

So they left the car and he took him somewhere. So they searched Dan Fort's ranch after his truck was recovered and they found no evidence of a homicide being committed at his house. So like, okay, we know that. She, what ended up happening, a block north of the Allison place, Mary Doherty, who was a neighbor of hers, these old ladies there, just taking shit down. She was in her kitchen washing dishes just after 10, 15 p.m. Wow. I got to get it cleaned up for them. 11 o'clock at night?

I feel like these ladies probably go to bed earlier than this, but nope, she's doing that. She said, quote, while I was doing them, I heard a loud bang. It came from the Allison house. Oh, so over there. And she also heard the dogs barking over at the house. Okay. And Frank, the son, that night called Loretta at about 1 a.m. and said, is my dad there with you?

Did he fall asleep on the couch or something? Because he hasn't gotten home yet. And she said that Eileen, Loretta's mother said quote she didn't really seem that upset to hear it that he was missing in the night like she that's her own mother said that she said it wasn't until the next day that the mother found out that loretta had married him she didn't even tell her mom she had no idea idea? Wow. All week. It's been almost a week. They had come over, eaten dinner, all this shit. She never told her mom.

We got married on Wednesday. Never said it. So, Stith, I'm sorry, what ended up happening, Dan Forth was driving his pickup truck, like we said. Earlier in the evening,

Michael Stith, on Highway 5, met up with his two aunts, Julia Cable and Angela Knoll, asked him if they would take him to Climax Springs. They did. the evening michael stith on highway five met up with his two aunts julia cable and angela knoll asked him if they would take him to climax springs they did he said drive me around all that danforth drove by him upon seeing danforth he said that's who i'm waiting for let me out he went and his aunt said that he went uh down in the woods toward loretta's house they dropped him off down the street and he went into the woods and was going to go woods toward Loretta's house. They dropped him off down the street, and he went into the woods and was going to go back to Loretta's house, like back through the woods.

So at 10.15, another woman said she heard a loud bang in the neighborhood, and as that goes, now, like we said, the autopsy said he was killed by a.45 caliber bullet, which is a loud bang as we would say and then so he's just gone they find his truck and then four days later on august 22nd larry witton receives a call at home and said a body had been found uh near the dump where we said and decaying very rapidly like we said gunpowder burns close range the whole deal so uh back near the front gate of the allison house a state highway patrolman said that he found a quote dark stain of some type he killed him right outside the house wow like the mother had to have heard the gunshot if the

neighbors down the street heard it if someone fires off a 45 in your front yard you're gonna hear that fucking hear that yeah you'll hear it from 20 front yards away that shit is loud so uh a forensic seriologist a blood person said that the stain was type o blood which matched that of dr danforth this is pre- remember? So they said, you can pretty much infer from that blood type. He's killed here. There you go. Another police officer found the Chevy truck with red stains and partial fingerprints in it as well that were not good enough for identification. And type O is the rarest, right? I don't know. I think it's the most useful. I think it can go in everybody. I think it goes either way. I think you can go both ways with O, which makes sense.

It's a circle. It goes everywhere. It utilizes everybody. So found with Dr. Dan Fort's body was a wallet containing two credit cards, about $80, blank checks, and a receipt for county taxes paid so finally he was dead it took 12 tries but they finally fucking killed this guy so monday uh august 18th that's the day that his truck is found and the day after he's killed stiff makes a long distance call to williams and ole why is he telling Williams about this? I don't know.

I think he's out of the plot by now. Yeah. Williams, he said that, quote, the old man is dead. And Williams was like, holy shit, really? Williams said, quote, maybe Percy snuck back and done it. That was the line he said. Maybe he did it. And then Stith said there was no fucking way that that's the way it happened. And you know he said that you know it ain't him it's me and uh sunday the 17th he said quote because an

old man got he asked for an alibi from his aunts he said because an old man had gotten the shit beaten out of him and he needs an alibi about it so after the body's found they want to talk to loretta pretty quickly since they found a blood stain outside her house and this is like the most stereotypical i killed my husband thing in the fucking world right so you're 50 something years younger and he's super rich and you got married and immediately got your got his will changed to you it couldn't get any more suspicious it really could later his blood is outside your house, and he's dead in the woods? This sounds bad.

It just looks bad. Yeah. His blood's here, his truck's over there, and his body's over here. None of them are close together. That's a problem. She said that, you know, I don't know what you're talking about. She said, the night of the hotel, I only left to go to the lounge once to use the restroom, she said, when they went to the lounge together, her and the doctor. She said, I only left once to use the restroom.

And when I returned, he was sitting with a man who kept his back toward her. She said he was a very well-dressed man. And she said later on, she asked him who was that. And my husband refused to identify the man. Just a mysterious man yeah very mysterious she said she's never talked to mr percy or harry detroit harry detroit what a silly name for a man harry detroit's a city that's not a person and that she and stith they're just friends they're not romantic and she never would plan to kill her husband that's ridiculous so before the trial

before that she ends up getting arrested what will be a trial uh williams and percy told their versions of the conspiracy to the olathe police department and they pass them on to missouri and it's a much more believable story yeah yeah it's hilarious yeah they're laughing their asses off oh by the way they both passed lie detector tests telling that ridiculous tale yeah because they're not murderers yeah and they're they're telling the truth yeah so about 8 30 or 9 o'clock uh she said that they end up hearing that he drove over there and we know what ended up happening so williams and percy this is amazing they said that uh the breckinridge inn they said they admitted that we'd come up with the idea of having the car pull over so percy could kill the doctor they do admit that that was their idea

and at one point they said quote this is to uh i think it's to percy yet a percy or sorry to williams they said you never really intended on killing the doctor that day at the hotel did you and he said i wasn't no and they said well were you you know what about you and percy they said you and percy figured out this whole thing to be a scam on mike mike stith didn't you and he said no so they weren't really going to kill him but they weren't scamming this guy they don't really know what they were doing. I feel like they thought this is pretty cool to get an envelope full of money with pictures. This is like some cool movie hitman shit.

We're cool guys. There's two of us here, so we have to keep pumping each other up to say we're cool. But neither of them really wanted to do this. It's not cool. It's the issue. Right. Yeah. So it's a problem he said

that uh he thought during it williams said he thought that jack percy was losing his ability to do the job and then at one point he said that he uh never thought he was into it but then percy said that he was always serious about it so i don't know he's fucking amazing and they said that uh he definitely wasn't them that killed him here though because williams said quote after we'd kill him i'm pretty sure we'd have checked his pockets right so you wouldn't have found checks and 80 in his pockets if we were there we only got four grand for it so we'd certainly be looking for more 1500 they didn't get the rest didn't get completed right no they got to split 750 minus a couple of hotel rooms, a couple of cheap motel rooms. So Percy said, when they asked him, were you going to kill him?

Percy said no. And then he said that him and Williams talked about it and that they decided killing the doctor would, quote, be foolish. Right. So, you know. It's true. would quote be foolish right so you know it's true when they asked percy if they were actually just trying to rip off stith for money he answered yes all right and so both of these people passed their lie detectors so williams was in it thinking percy was going to shoot him and percy was telling him he was even though he wasn't and percy actually never planned on shooting him he was just robbing

him so neither of these people nobody's on the same page here nobody it's a fucking mess so the charges come up stiff stiff is charged with first degree murder uh he's charged with capital murder okay and death penalty eligible capital fucking murder yeah loretta is charged with conspiracy what conspiracy okay involved in this deeper than that and and uh detroit detroit williams and percy are granted immunity in exchange for their testimony so that's that's they didn't yeah they didn't actually hurt anybody they're just a couple of fucking keystone hit men couple of dipshits moron couple of dipshits they passed their lie detectors they do another one pass it again and uh they're not prosecuted asked if they asked if they considered again other plan any other plans than shooting them with the weapons

they had they had a 25 automatic a 22 caliber pistol and a 45 caliber as well and williams said yeah jack was gonna go they said were you gonna do anything besides with the guns did you have any other plan and they said in the if they were gonna kill him in the car uh williams said quote jack was gonna go over and cut his throat which is brutal. Dead serious. Yeah. Dead serious. However, uh, when he gets cross examined at a hearing, he tells a different story. Williams said that he told detectives he never intended to kill Dr.

Danforth and that the whole thing was a scam. He said, quote, I was trying to do Mike Stith a favor. Jack Percy was trying to rip them off. 100% Jack didn't have any intention to kill the doctor. He just isn't a very trustworthy man well if you can't trust yeah some unemployed bouncer to kill your girlfriend's elderly husband

who can you trust i mean who can you trust at that point where do you put any of your pope and faith in the human race where do you what do? Failed entrepreneur in a construction hand, and that's how you can't. Wow. If you can't trust them, what the shit is happening. That is absolutely fucking insane here. So Percy said that he denies it. He said they weren't really going to do it. By the way, I just found in the newspaper near all this that I found this particular article.

They had the local school menu for this week in tuscumbia missouri in 1980 so let's see what kids are eating in tuscumbia missouri september 4th 1980 besides just sheet pizza and and nuggets fake nuggets maybe well let's find out all right on mond Monday, it's burrito, buttered peas, a peach half, and graham crackers. Okay. Trash. That's probably not a good burrito. We're thinking like a good burrito.

That's not a good burrito. No. Tuesday, ham and beans. Ew. And spinach and cornbread. Okay. Wednesday. Yeah, it's a barbecue day.

Yeah. Wednesday, taco with lettuce and cheese, mixed vegetables, and banana. That's a fine lunch. You get tacos. It's a good day in school. Thursday, fried chicken, whipped potatoes, green beans, and pear. Yeah. And then Friday, juicy burger.

All one word. Juicy burger. Buttered corn and banana pudding. There you go. And bread, butter, peanut butter and milk are served all day. And the next week we got some hamburger and spaghetti, a bologna sandwich on Tuesday. Thursday's pizza day next week after that. And then grilled cheese on Friday.

That sounds pretty good. That sheet pizza was so rad, though. Oh, it was delicious. I loved that shit pizza. It was gross and wonderful at the same time. I loved it. The big rectangles. Yeah.

Pepperoni chunks. Not even browns. Dana, we never got any toppings. It was only cheese. Cheese only. Really? Cheese only. Yeah, they never gave us toppings.

Pepperoni chips. Oh, man. I love the little square pepperonis on a bagel bite. Those are the fucking best. They burn and they're crispy. That's what they are. Those are good. It's like a pepperoni chip, the rectangle chunks of it.

We had the worst slash best thing in our elementary school. We had pizza rolls. Now, don't think of Totino's pizza rolls that you bite in a little package these pizza rolls were they had to cost three cents to make maybe it was half of a bun the hamburger bun they'd give you two of these so take a hamburger bun put it in to cut it in half open it up yeah open it up and then they would put a slice of yellow cheese on it like a craft single and tomato sauce on top of that and they would heat it up so the cheese was half melted and then give it to the children and that was called pizza rolls think about how ghetto

that is how fucking ghetto is that that's a good idea if you're like when i was young and poor and fucking like oh is it ramen or pizza rolls but not that that's you don't give that to children and say that's nutrition that was the nutrition here's a half a bun and a craft single and a fucking tablespoon of tomato sauce that should get you through the day what the fuck are they giving us nutritional there's a little bit of vitamin C from that tomato. The tomatoes. Yeah, that's it. And the tomato sauce, all the vitamin C may have cooked off by now.

In that microwave. Who knows? Might be in the can that it came in, in the aluminum by now. We don't know. There's probably more aluminum in it than vitamin C. I would bet my ass on that shit. That's a great lunch. Jesus Christ. That's sheet pizza. Fuck, man. I love it. Yeah on that shit. That's a great lunch. Jesus Christ.

That's sheet pizza. Fuck, man. I love it. Yeah, that was good. That was tasty. I want that shit, too. That's why I like Elio's, because it reminds me of that. Yeah, that makes sense.

That's why I like it, because as a kid, that was that, and then you get Elio's, which is similar, because it's not even good frozen pizza, but it's so good. You can get all those here now, huh? They're all here. Yeah, yeah. They're all here. Yeah, yeah. They're all, yeah. We'll go to ShopRite when we're done and we'll go get a bunch of Elias.

That's awesome. In my fridge, I have a big 27-pack like that in my freezer. Downstairs in the basement in my freezer, I got a box of those things. That was one of my favorite accomplishments

going back to Boston and bringing a bunch of that shit back to me. Oh, that was awesome. Yes, I get to bring Eli emails back. Oh, man. Now you get them. I ate the shit out of them. You know how hard it was to, because they melted together a bit, and then you refroze them again. I put them on my freezer.

Oh, shit. So they were frozen together by, melded by cheese and sauce. Spatula. I had to get my sharpest, thinnest knife and do like a scalpel surgery to not take off either all the cheese off the top or all the pizza off the bottom. It was a disaster. But I did it and I ate them and they were delicious.

And I can't thank you enough. It would take me like 20 minutes to prepare it, to get it ready. Surgically taking apart cheap, shitty pizza. It wasn't even frozen anymore by the time i was done with it it's a cook you cooked them in your hands i did i just because it took so long i'd had stand them up over them and i'd be like um stoned out of my mind it's good stuff two in the morning i'm doing this thank god sarah's not awake to see this is what i'm thinking i'd be very embarrassed right now. Hilarious.

Although she would probably laugh and think it was wonderful. Give you a hand probably. She probably would. She'd be like, what are you doing? And when I told her, she'd go, all right, that's a good idea. I support you. Do you microwave that or does that go in the oven? No, no, it's an oven.

Is it an oven pizza? Yeah, yeah. Oven pizza. Takes like 11, 12 minutes. Oh. Yeah, that's not bad. Depends on if you put it right on the rack or on a sheet or not. How do you want it? That's fantastic.

That's single serving. Zero guilt. It's not big, so you don't feel like a piece of shit. Like, I'll make a whole tombstone, and then I'll be a piece of shit and eat the whole goddamn thing. Well, but I eat the whole rack of three rectangles at once. That's assuming that I break it apart and have one at a time, which, come on, man, what are we talking about?

I want it all. I'm having a fun time. Stone come on, what are we talking about? I want it all. Stone Munchies 2 a.m. May as well have three. Three, yeah. A box of those, a box of, quote, nine, that's one serving to me. That's how Elias works. Every time. Incredible.

Every time. So, yeah, where are we here? Okay. They said that, anyway, the two oh that's right the aunts said when when stith came back to the car yeah after they dropped him off and he killed somebody and all this type of shit and when he came home later on they said that uh he said that he and somebody named jack had went after danforth and that's where he was he was by himself he just made that up as like a person to blame this on mid-september 1980 loretta's

finally arrested here she's going to be arrested charged with conspiracy she denies all knowledge of the conspiracy completely says she doesn't know who percy and williams are she hasn't wanted to anything to do with stiff in a long time she's just been waiting for him to move out of his mom's house and this is crazy so um yeah that's that's fine although um she said that uh she also said she didn't know why Percy and Williams quote why they would want to do this to me she doesn't even know them why would they want to do this to me. She doesn't even know them. Why would they want to do this to me? She said that she didn't speak to anyone in the lounge that night besides her husband, and one person stopped her to talk about her hair because it was so into that.

Now, remember, she wants nothing to do with Stith. They're not romantically involved. Okay. Now, during her four-and-a-half-month stay in Cam in camden county jail she wrote tons of letters to mike stith of course uh one quote to my one and only lover began the one letter uh i love you more than i can express on paper i want to marry you just as soon as this is all over i want to have a home with you and have your child this is the the essence of all of the letters they're all i love you i want to have a home with you and have your child this is the the essence of all of the letters they're all i love you i want to be with you i can't wait till this is over so we can have

a family and a white picket fence and yada yada so the retta said later on when questioned about that because these are all red uh the letters yeah loretta with the letter loretta the letter uh she said that she only wrote them because Stith had asked her to write using a loving language because it makes him feel better in jail. She said, quote, to sit in jail, you're very bored. And to me, it was amusing, so I didn't mind. That's why you write love letters if I want to have your child. Right. So Loretta's attorneys are trying to get her bail they want

her to get bail easy well it starts out at two hundred thousand dollars uh except they have a bond hearing and it's reduced to fifty thousand dollars okay once it's reduced to fifty thousand dollars uh that is uh he can do it and she actually gets out she is bonded out so she is going to be on the outside with this whole thing it gets raised back up to 75 grand it was 50 at first and then whatever she

also so there's the $75,000 appeal and then the judge request also requested that she be allowed to make her I'm sorry her lawyer requested that she be allowed to make her, I'm sorry, her lawyer requested that she be allowed to make her deal here, quote, informa pauperis. So that means that she's poor. She's a pauper. She has no personal assets which she could be converted to pay a lawyer.

So the judge questioned her under oath about her financial status and pending a formal statement of assets found her indigent. So you're indigent, but then somehow she raises $7,500 to get 10% of the deal. So I don't know how that happened. That's less than indigent, I would imagine. So she maintains she did nothing. She did nothing. Her lawyers called the guys who were after him hit men hired by somebody for his hired by Michael Stith for his own personal reasons. Nothing to do with her. So, yeah, Michael Stith trial is first. And Percy testifies against him. They go on a big thing with him trying to discredit him on cross-examination about weed. They say, quote, you use marijuana often. They ask him, were you dealing marijuana?

And they asked him, do you deal in drugs? Do you use marijuana? They asked him several different times. He testified that Williams gave him $500 of the $1,500 that he was given. So he's going to pull the trigger and get a third of the money? That's ridiculous. Yeah, that's correct. I. So he's going to pull the trigger and get a third of the money? That's ridiculous. Yeah, that's crap. I wonder why he didn't want to do it.

Percy then said that he was going to invest the money in, quote, smoke. He said invest. I'd like to invest in some smoke, please. That's meaning weed, by the way, if you don't know. My portfolio dwindles every day whenever I wake and bake. I'm investing in the smoke market. I feel like he's going to invest in some smoke, he said. Hilarious.

On the fucking stand. He also testified that he was going to Springfield to buy marijuana, $500 to $700 worth of marijuana, as a matter of fact, and that would probably be about a pound of weed. He said, I get about a pound of weed, and then maybe he was going to smoke all of that, and that maybe it would take him a couple weeks. So he said he wasn't going to. His investing wasn't even investing to sell. It was investing in a really good two weeks.

That's what he's investing. Or he's going to be stoned all day every day for two weeks straight. Smoking a pound of dirt weed every fucking, oh, God. The headaches he's going to have, just a pound of dirt weed. Gross. So later on in the cross-examination, Percy testified that he and William smoked marijuana on the evening of Wednesday the 13th, and that he smoked a couple of joints.

He said that was at that juncture where they said, did you use marijuana often? And it went down that road. He testified on cross-examination that he and Percy, after they had the rendezvous with Stith and Sedalia, went to springfield to buy marijuana but there was no weed to buy so uh that's how that went and uh so they went back and forth with all that sort of shit stith testifies in his own behalf here gotta do it he said they said well why'd you slump down in the seat if you didn't kill anybody right why just and he said quote i slumped down in the seat because i was more or less hiding from him more I was more or less hiding from him. More or less. More or less hiding from him.

You didn't finish the sentence. So he didn't know I was there to kill him. That's the other part of it. That's the thing that you forgot. In wait to fucking murder. Yeah. You know, like a stalker does. He hides and waits to murder. He said that he admits that his aunts let him out at a point nearby where he awaited for them.

And he said that Percy arrived in Danfort's. This is his story. He says that he didn't kill the guys. His aunts dropped him off. And that's where he waited for Williams and Percy because they were the ones that did the killing. And according to him, Percy arrived in Dan Fort's bloodstained truck and Williams pulled his car up behind the truck. That's his story.

He says then Williams and Percy left the scene. And when he opened the door of the truck, that's when he noticed there's blood everywhere. So he wiped the seat clean and then drove the truck to a remote area where he wiped his fingerprints off of the steering wheel and threw away his blood-soaked pants and shirt. He then said that he had asked three relatives to provide him with an alibi. But he didn't do it, though. They just said, here's that dead guy you wanted, and then they drove away.

They pulled up and were like, here you go. They Amazoned him a dead truck, and there wasn't even a body. It was just the truck, right? Yeah, yeah. No, the truck was in even a body. It was just the truck, right? Yeah, yeah. No, the truck was in the body. The body was in the truck. He drove up. That'd be if the truck was in the body.

That's a whole other issue. He said, Percy drove up and was like, I got the truck, and here's your dead guy in it, sitting in the passenger seat. And then he got in the truck car with Williams. They drove away, and Stith then took the truck and did all of his business. away and stith then took the truck and did all of his business okay the state also has a cellmate of michael stith a guy named david hit uh hibdon who was jailed with him and he hibdon told the court that stith told him quote i was the one who killed that doctor and uh that also he said he shot dan forth twice and he had ditched the body in the truck. So seven men and five women on the jury, they deliberate for more than four hours, four hours.

So not like a quick we've seen, you know, 50 minutes, 45 minutes, four hours. They come back with a judgment of guilty of capital murder. So, yeah, he is he is pretty fucked uh the state law prescribes a mandatory life sentence if the prosecution does not seek the death death penalty so he is certainly in a lot of shit here yeah he's he's going down the river yeah he's not gonna feel that uh that long hair tickle in his balls for a long time a long time so well maybe i don't know if he finds the right guy i'm not sure but not from her his sentencing comes around and uh you know he's gonna say he's gonna appeal it obviously they give him you sir may fuck off

life sentence no chance for parole until 50 years has been served. Wow. Has been served. So he'll be eligible for parole when he's 75. He's still not eligible for parole. Today. Think about that. Today.

Wow. He's eligible for parole in 2030 if he's still alive, and I can't find him, so I'm not sure. That's how long this has been going on. Holy hell. Think about that. 50, 50 50 fucking years remember in goodfellas when he's like he gave the judge gave jimmy and me 10 years like he was giving away candy yeah 50 is like whoa a hard 50 too yeah that's all his chance of every day of it

and then he still might knock it out yeah that's just the minimum so loretta comes around and her trial pops up too for conspiracy yeah uh detroit williams testifies against her and uh when he's cross-examined by her lawyer he said that percy just intended to get stith's money without doing the killing so he's telling that story now percy later said on the stand as well that he and williams had discussed the idea and thought better of it he talked about like should we kill this guy like we could probably just get him to give us a bunch of money and then go back to kansas and not kill him he's just my ex-girlfriend's nephew who gives a shit it's not like he what the

you know i'm not even gonna see him at thanksgiving i don't even talk to that woman anymore it's over i saw her oh it's no caller id yet i saw her number pop up i was like what's this bitch want oh shit maybe she's uh let's let's take a hello and it wasn't her nephew all the murder talk is awful and so i was like you know what for calling me in the middle of my elio's pizza dinner i will take this call and agree to the murder, take the money, and tell him no thank you. Middle of my pepperoni bagel bite, son of a bitch. So, yeah, he says that. Well, I think at first, too, because there's no disputing that at first Stiff said, rough up this old man.

So that lured him in, and they probably were like yeah we'll take 1500 bucks to fucking punch some old guy that's no problem but then they were like kill him and dispose of his body and they were like whoa that's a little outside of our area of expertise here not sure about that one that's a bridge too far so loretta testifies as well she's gotta she's gotta get up there choice she has to seem innocent and everything else and angel-like. So Harrison, Detroit Williams, and Jack Edward Piercy both testify that they were hired by Michael Stith to murder Dr. Danforth. And they said that it was for – Stith had informed them it was for her. And they'd lived together for about a year and all that sort of thing.

So she gets cross-examined by the state she said she's never talked to those two men i've never even seen them before i don't know who they are yeah why are they and then once again she broke down crying and saying why are they doing this to me i don't get it uh they on the other hand testified that they met with her at least six times one evening to discuss the murder of the doctor and come up with it. She said, we didn't even only come up with a murder plan. We came up with like six of them. That's how many fucking times we talked to her.

Unbelievable. So she had four hours of testimony. She did. So they grilled her up there. She sat in a chair for four hours while they asked her about murder. Over and over again. She kept denying she meet with anybody. I don't understand why they're doing this to me.

They asked her at the time of Dr. Dan Fort's disappearance. Were you in love with Mike Stiff? This is the prosecutor. She said, no, I was not. So that goes against her letter thing so the court ended up ruling against arguments that her attorneys made that the uh basically her attorneys are trying to say that the jury should not hear evidence of the murder conspiracy they shouldn't hear any evidence of a murder conspiracy that's crazy they said that evidence uh is injected with false and

distracting issues. We can't have that. We can't give them evidence of her guilt. That's going to really be distracting to their finding her not guilty. What are we talking about here? This is ridiculous. So they said they can ask for a new hearing on this, but that's about it because they ruled against all of that shit. So the closing instruction, by the way, because some people are going to say conspiracy,

especially if you're not American, so we have to kind of tell what conspiracy is instead of whatever. So here is the explanation, the given jury instructions to the jury here. They said that first,

you have to find all of these things. If you find and believe from the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, that first, that at some time between august 11th and august 17th in jackson county blah blah blah and camden county the defendant agreed with jack percy harrison d williams and mike stith that one or more of them would commit the offense of the murder of duncan r danforth okay second that the defendant so agreed with the purpose of facilitating commission Okay. of the following acts a the defendant loretta olison danforth caused duncan r danforth to go

into the parking lot of the breckenridge inn on one or more occasions more like six on the evening of uh wednesday august 13th or uh that the defendant loretta olson danforth and duncan r danforth drove together to the mcdonald's restaurant in the vicinity of the breckenridge inn and the evening hours blah blah blah that defendant uh loretta left open the door to the room in the vicinity of the Breckenridge Inn in the evening hours, blah, blah, blah. That defendant, Loretta, left open the door to the room in the Breckenridge Inn, in which she and Duncan Danforth were occupying so that he could be killed,

that she caused him to be present at the Ray Oleson, that's her dad, residence in the late evening hours, that Jack Percy and Harrison D. Williams came to the Camden County, Missouri, in furtherance of conspiracy to murder Duncan Danforth. Jack and Harrison D. Williams went to the point on Cobb Hollow Road in Camden County, Missouri,

and waited for Duncan Danforth to pass in furtherance of the conspiracy, and that defendant Loretta Danforth caused Duncan Danforth to be present in the driveway in front of the Ray Allison residence in the late evening hours of August 17th for the purpose of the conspiracy to murder him. Then you will find the defendant guilty. So one or more of those things they have to find that she did. Just one. Not all.

Easy peasy. Yeah. One. That you talk to them about it one time and that's a conspiracy. They find her, Loretta, comes in guilty of conspiracy to commit murder here. So she sat there sobbing and sobbing and sobbing in the courtroom. She made quite a spectacle of herself. she will be sentenced to between now keep in mind 50 years without parole right between 5 and 15 years that's a sentencing range for why would she even cry about this that's i mean she

should be like holy shit that's amazing that guy got 50 years they sentence her you ma'am may fuck off 10 years in prison they don't even give her in prison. They don't even give her the max. They don't even give her the max. Wow. Dude, I would give her the max because of the so many times she had to back out of it. How many times? She had 11 times. Yeah.

Yeah. 11 times it didn't work, and she said, no, it's going to happen. She had to force it. She really did. They had to force it. She really did. Like, they had to force this shit. So that's crazy. I had at least given her the 15. And that doesn't mean that she's, you know, going to do 10.

Right. She gets her fucking six. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you guarantee you she was out by 86. Wow. With her fucking hair. So that's crazy. That's wild.

So then now the kids are going to fight the will as well because she's got a million dollars in this will. So the kids are going to fight the will and they do. And they rule that the 1978 will is still valid. Not the one that they did on the wedding day because that was done by fraudulent means or whatever so anyway uh the will appeal oh that means that one chick still only got a fucking dollar oh she got nothing now not even a dollar oh no the 78 one she got a dollar you're right yeah she got a dollar so uh they contest it again if this goes back and forth danforth said uh danforth's children said the 1980 will should be ruled invalid and alleging that she was he defrauded

her by falsely indicating they would consummate their marriage and live as husband and wife when she never had a plan for that she was actually in the middle of a conspiracy and the judge says yeah she's not getting shit fuck that the kids get kids get the money. You're out of your fucking giving her a dime. You're married to her for fucking five days. What are you talking about? And during that five days, four and a half of it was spent trying to kill him. So it's only because you're so incompetent that you couldn't do it earlier. Pretending she had diarrhea for a week.

Yeah. They'd have been married for six hours if she was competent or the people she hired were competent. been married for six hours if she was competent or the people she hired were competent so um yeah an appeals court uh judge affirms the conviction and the appeals court judge is the one that said it's a macabre comedy of errors and just very very sad she said in her appeal that she was convicted on hearsay and there's no conspiracy it's all hearsay it's bullshit it's all stuff that this one told that one you know stiff told him that so then he's saying this is what stiff told me it's like yeah that's how conspiracies are one guy told the other guy to do something and you're have you never what the fuck man he said he said because he said yeah that's the whole point um it

says that it just the evidence she has simply does not support the version of the facts. And, you know, actually looks like there was definitely a two way conspiracy between her and Stiff. And then that expanded into a four way conspiracy. Either way, she was the peach pit of that conspiracy. It's all if she's not involved in this then no one's killing anybody so they said the uh degree of cooperation suggests that sometime before august 12th that she had already agreed with mike stith that he should be killed in furtherance of this this was a plan that would have been going on and uh they try to say it's not a separate conspiracy oh they say it's not

a separate conspiracy it's not like they had a conspiracy. And then he went and talked to those two guys. And now they have a separate conspiracy from her. It's all one lazy river conspiracy. And it is furthered with proof of her meeting with them in the fucking lobby of the hotel. She's in on it. Yeah, multiple fucking times. So they said that we find the conversations of august 12th

before were admissible and evidence of the agreement to kill dr danforth which uh she was a party not merely conversations prior to the formation of the conspiracy she was a party she not only they said she contends that she not i'm sorry not she contends they said that she not only was in on it she went out of her way to further it. She tried to force the issue. Keep on fucking off for like a couple more years and then go live your late 20s then. Have fun. Oh, my.

So she's going to be like 27 and get out and that's that. I hope her hair was ripped out in jail. I was going to say, you know for a fact that she had to cut that shit in jail or else she was either very popular or somebody cut that shit on purpose to mess with her and take her shit one of the things they would likely take it to prevent lice in the prison right i think the the yeah the judge the jail would cut her hair i don't think they let her have hair that long if not she would be she would have been a popular a popular young lady on the cell block. They'd have made her keep it after that.

So anyway, that is Climax Springs, Missouri. Holy shit. And that is one crazy ass debacle of a story. What a climax. I thought, what a climax. I thought we needed like a crazy story with all this bumbling after we had last week was like 22 rape murders of young women and it was really horrific and it was heavy that was heavy we had dismemberment the week before and all that so i'm like let's go with something crazy this week and then next week we'll go back into more you know dismemberment you're going to find an arm and a head somewhere yeah and i'll

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So somehow, we were talking, and it was like, well, just give people with no last name, we'll call them Hoare, H-O-A-R. So that's what it is. We're not calling you a Hoare. We're saying your last name is H-O-A-R. It's a very funny last name. And you can't pronounce it any other way because it's like extra. It's insulting.

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We do. That's honestly how we feel in our brains. Like, oh, they'll hate us this week. Don't worry. They'll stop liking us after five years this week, and that's that's honestly how we feel in our brains like oh they'll they'll they'll hate us this week don't worry like they'll they'll stop liking us after five years this week and yeah that's how we are so thank you for always keeping us kind of sane and keeping us on an even keel and keeping the show fucking moving you guys are the best the show moving thank you so much jimmy what if they wanted to thank you how could they get a hold of you you can find me on the internet at westman sucks where can they find you you can find me at jim at Wisman Sucks. Where can they find you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just Google the show. Google small town murder hosts if you want.

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