Small Town Murder - #246 - New Year's Evil - Skamania, Washington

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

This week, in Skamania, Washington, where a bloodbath is discovered, in a local home, on New Year's Day. There are several bodies, and several loose ends, including a missing teenager, and a sick grandpa, who is incapable of speech, and can't be relied upon as a witness. The scene is horrific, with the walls, bathed in blood, but the crime scene, and everything else in this case, are handled terribly, possibly because it was literally the Sheriff's first day on the job! Missing evidence, botched tests... So, was it a stranger, or a teen, murdering his whole family & committing necrophillia on his big sister? Either way, there are no good answers here! Along the way, we find out that Washington takes it's timber very seriously, that some people who don't have any friends, also have an awful lot of friends, and your first day on any job shouldn't include finding three dead bodies!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and the one suspect is not exactly what they expected. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us and helping us celebrate the week here let's do this with the crazy stuff and pushing on yaying murders and let's do it anyway well i mean life is hard so you know what it's it's tough yeah it's difficult so it's required we'll get into

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great check it out man you gotta know what you're doing and they certainly do they came out of the gates hot and then they're just they're just getting better and better and i'm really really happy and i'm we're proud to present that show. So please check that show out. And on top of that, let's get into the disclaimer. This is a comedy show. We're comedians. We're going to make jokes.

One and murder and murder is going to happen. So that's also there. But what we do is there's nothing funny about someone being horribly murdered. That's not where the jokes come from. The come from everything around that the idea that i think i can get away with this that's pretty funny if a bumbling police force totally screws up an investigation there's some humor there in that some guy just going i don't know what would you expect from me that's kind of funny so that's the stuff we make jokes about we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family.

Because we're assholes. But we're not scumbags. That's how that works. So if that sounds good to you, welcome aboard. Solid deal, James. If not, true crime and comedy never go together for you in your mind and it's a horrible thing, then maybe we're not for you. But either way, don't complain later because we warned you. So that said, you've been told.

That said, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs, Jimmy, and shout, Shut up and give me murder! Hey, very nice. Let's do this, Jimmy. Not bad. Let's go. Let's go on a trip, shall we? What do you say?

What's this week? We're going as far geographically as we can go from last week's episode. Where was it? We were in Florida last week, of course. In the Atlantic. We're on the Atlantic coast on Florida all the way there. This week, we're going all the way clear across the country to Washington State. So can't be any farther away.

We haven't been there in a while. And this is a crazy. this is a wild story. So we're going to Scamania, Washington. Hell yeah. I think Scamania is how they say it locally, but it's Scamania. Scamania, brother. It never dies here. Lots of horns.

Just horns. People running around don't even have an assignment in the band. You're like, where'd that guy come from his job is to okay his job is to wear shorts and a sport coat and run around okay that's no reason he gets paid to do that that's great he puts on his taxes yeah sports and short coat running guy and then he turns it in so scott mania short coat short. You know what I'm saying. Trash stick blast bags, Jimmy. It's all the same. So, Scamania. AG Orange plays their festival every year, don't they?

I think they're the town council, actually. I think it's just that. Me first and the gimme gimme's? Yeah, and the guy from Mighty Mighty Boss Tones is the mayor, I feel like. He's like, everybody, I'd like to have an announcement. Everybody. Just horns kick in i liked me first because they they played just just covers james uh in ska version it was awesome that's fun you know in a bar type situation people are drunk they're like i know it's fucking it's ann murray but ska yeah that's good stuff and it's different but a

lot of the stats and everything we're going to give you are from stevenson because scomania is too small even to register as anything and it's kind of one band it's yeah it's just one band it's butted right up against stevenson so they all kind of scomania is the zip code but they lump everything in with stevenson it's about 45 i can't believe there's two towns in this country that have mania in the name mania that's what i'm like and we found them with murders just randomly i'm not looking for towns with mania in it but we found gore mania and ska mania brother ska mania brother i'm gonna smash him on the head with a trombone and then we're gonna go i'm gonna take the heavyweight title

from him brother it's got mania so it's great it's wild 45 minutes to portland so it's down by there it's just across the water from portland about three hours to seattle and about four hours and 20 minutes to moses lake washington which was our last episode episode 206 which was why charles manson wasn't in friends and that was a great episode so if you want to check that out uh also this is in skamania county area code 509 1.8 square miles so a little area the stevenson and the motto here is this is pretty basic i think they're trying to draw in a specific person here with nostalgia a quote kind of looks like where the goonies were from. I mean, I don't know. That's just what it looks like, honestly. There's like a fog hanging over.

Everything looks damp. Shirtless kid jiggling his belly. Very, very damp. And I did see a deformed man running through the streets eating a baby root. So that's the footage I've seen. History of this town. It is named for an early settler here george h stevenson and by the way the stevenson is the person in our story's name is stevenson and there's no relation but he's

stevenson from skamania inside stevenson it's very strange the uh the stevenson family settled in the gorge that's what they call this area the gorge in the in the eighteen hundreds from Missouri. So that was a rugged trek across the country that it was and founded the town of Stevenson on the old shepherd donation land claim. So somebody had a land claim and they did that. They did. It was Stevenson Land Company purchased the original town site, the whole town. Twenty four thousand dollars for Stevenson. That's wild. In 1893 and built a town along the lower flat near the river, and settlers expanded, and the dock expanded.

They had steam things coming in, stern wheelers unloading passengers. Stern wheelers. I don't know what that is. In 1893, there was a dispute. I love these small town disputes. These are my favorite. A dispute over rental fees. Oh, historical arguments.

Give it to me. An unknown crew transported the county records, Jimmy. Again with the county records. What is it? These towns have obsessions. Who gives a shit? They transported, they stole in the dark of night the county records from the town of cascades and brought them to stevenson smuggled them in that's got to be documented like who owns what right

that's that's the only reason that anybody yeah should give a fuck but it's just either way it's written down no matter who's holding it who gives a shit we all know it makes no sense stevenson became the county seat overnight because they had the records whoever has the records gets to be the county seat and i don't know if you get more money so strange historical capture the flag yeah it's just it's ridiculous they're fighting over these well we have the records now now we're the county seat well good for you that's great what does that mean what does that mean for you what does that get you in uh in 1908 the spokane portland and seattle railroad arrived and that pushed the town up the hill away from the river

so they just kind of moved everything up the hill which seemed to happen a lot back then just we got to move the town everybody okay and everyone just agreed to it and did it so streets were graded wooden sidewalks were constructed and the city asked residents to keep their cows from roaming in the streets let's not have cow shit bullshit out here this is exactly none of it the uh mills and logging camps were all over the place there was uh like log flumes and all sorts of shit like that uh just logs everything's logs here so they're figuring out ever been to an amusement park and there's a log flume that's what they had for real that's a real

thing that's not yeah i i heard that that that is what they used to do so they sent them yeah so that rather than carry them some sort of yeah it was easier yeah they'd have like a like a you know like a what i was like on a roller coaster where they up the thing and then it would get in the water and it would just fucking float to the destination it'd be a guy taking logs off so it makes sense uh saloons everywhere at this point because it's all logging lumberjacks who've you know come to the rugged west coast here it's barely a state hurt yeah so they need something to numb it they're drinking until prohibition happened and then that kind of didn't help the town very much and then they had a highway and a dam and all sorts of shit like that the town moved further up the hill after that so this is a twice twice moved town and there was a flood there and everything

like that so the the tourism website here visit stevenson washington visit stevenson wa.com this is how they describe it. With world-class kiteboarding, which I don't know what that is. Oh, I've seen that. What is it? That's awesome. What is it? It's where you hold a kite and you stand on a board and the wind pulls you.

Oh, you don't want to fly. No. It's not like parasailing. Well, I mean, if you go fast enough, you can. But you're not connected to a plane or anything. No, it's not. They don't just throw you off a mountain and they're. But you're not like connected to a plane or anything. No, it's not. They don't just throw you off a mountain and they're like, you're going to land in the water, hopefully. I love that one.

It's not going to be in the extreme sports thing. Okay. Well, it sounds fun then. It's certainly very cool. That sounds fun. But there's no stick. So like on a parasail thing, you know what I mean? It's got a stick in the board.

Kiteboarding doesn't have that. You're just like holding the kite. So it's like cross-country surfing. Yeah, I guess. It's like skiing behind a boat, but there's no fucking boat. It's all wind. So it's like sailing and surfing mixed together with cross-country jogging. I've seen that, and I think that's what this is.

It may just be another thing where they kiteboard. You know what I mean? With like a sailboard. Makes sense. It may be another term for that. But I think it's holding the kite and With like a sailboard. Makes sense. It may be another term for that. But I think it's holding a kite and standing on a waterboard. Award-winning breweries and exquisite local fare. There are endless things to do once you arrive in Stevenson.

I think there's probably a limit to what there is, actually. It's a small town. There's not endless. It's a very definitive end. And that's just in town. Staying in the Gorge HQ means you're only minutes away from hikes, wineries, waterfalls, scenic drives, fishing, golfing, and so much more. All capitalized. They're into it.

Here's some reviews of this town. This is three stars. So, not so great, but pretty damn great. There was a limit to their things to do, and they're upset. And it's at the third star. That's the ceiling they're reaching. Beautiful beautiful breathtaking views of mountains and the columbia river abundant hiking fishing windsurfing kiteboarding sailboarding whoa if we have a kiteboard and a sailboard now it throws our whole thing right it's it's it's not connected it has to be it's uh retired here

one year ago because of hiking and water activities, the local community tends to be respectfully polite but cliquish, very conservative and unwelcoming of newcomers. And this is like an old person. Minimal access to health care and grocery shopping. Well, those are both things you need. Doctors and food if you're old. Imperative. That's good. Limited shopping comes at a premium price.

With a recent cancer diagnosis, we are looking to relocate to a more friendly community with access to specialty health care. That's more to that exact person's specifications. Like, that's, I don't know. Here's five stars. Now, they love the place. The town is very small, but it gives off the perfect small town vibe. They are obsessed with Bigfoot, so it has a little quirk, and everyone is super friendly. There is plenty of outdoor activities, and it isn't too far from Portland if you're looking for nightlife.

This county is the first, I think it's the only county that actually has a Bigfoot law. There's a Bigfoot law here. Yeah, no, I'm not. I shit you not, Jimmy. What is the law? There's a Bigfoot law. There's only a season? It's a law that, it's not really a law that says you can do this or you can't do this.

It's a law warning all the citizens of morons that aren't from around there that will be traipsing through with high-powered rifles looking for Bigfoot. So watch out for that. It's essentially like a notice for the town. Like a town, hey, by the way, water's got some shit in it this week so boil it first and watch out for high-powered rifle morons from tennessee who've come to fucking shoot bigfoot squatchers from michigan are in town so be careful everyone on their on their alert here so that's they actually have that there's got to be a season that it's like

at its highest i'm sure there is. It's Bigfoot mating season. This is when Bigfoot gets hard and likes to fuck things. So you'll see him fucking trees and deer. He'll just be fucking. So that's how you catch him. You catch him when he's humping on something. Then hibernating for three months.

He's just a humping on something. Wakes up with a raging heart. You wake up with a boner. Think about Bigfoot. Three months, james he slept finds himself a grizzly and goes to town so if he can't find a squat squat email squash squash a squash uh here's one growing up in the gorge is the title of this review and it says we moved from buffalo new york to stevenson washington when i was in second grade

big change timber used to fuel the economy. People had jobs and schools were funded with timber money. When I turned when I was around 10, some of the mills closed and the schools turned to state money for funding. Schools were not better off when that happened. When I was 18, the community turned to tourism and most of my

high school friends work at local resorts. It's a beautiful place if you go visit. Go to the walking man brewery and check out the blues brews and barbecues festival in june um and the scamania county fair is not worth it for out-of-town visitors unless you want to see the locals have their high school reunions okay so there you go at the fair there he is oh man i ain't seen you since we failed science class together buddy what's happening you know that chick right there since i fingered her right there yeah in new york where i were you know i have my place now like if it's like around

thanksgiving you have to avoid all any place that sells alcohol because everyone that you went to high school with will be there like guaranteed because they're all home and they are visiting my folks oh jesus yourself look at you you look terrible okay so and you can't tell people that you haven't seen you know like in 20 almost 25 years since they were in high school that you look great none of them look great they all look we all nobody looks as good as they did when they were the same you don't look the same then you don't have it anymore holy sure lost your hair there pretty bad didn't you wow that went fast so uh people in this town population 1627 in stevenson much less in skamania, the town. 12,000 people in the entire county of Scamania.

And so Scankamania, here we go. Up 35% the population since 2000. So people are coming here. It's become touristy. A couple more males and females. That's no big deal. Median age is a little older. It's normally 37 and a half here.

It's about 45. A lot of 45 to 64 year old people interesting so high school reunion age we'll put it that way yeah people that give a shit about it still yeah a married population yeah now married population is lower than normal it's only about 41 percent divorce rate is more than double the normal so people yeah if they don't want to leave they leave widow more than double the normal. So people, yeah, if they don't want to leave, they leave. Widow rate's almost double the normal. So they're going to kill you or divorce you, but they're getting out of that goddamn marriage, I'll tell you that. Single with no children, also higher than normal. So it's a weird place. You can party in.

Race of this town, 90.2% white. So pretty white. 1.4% black, 1.4% black. 1.4% Asian. I don't know if that's on purpose, if there's a quota. I'm sorry, Blackfella. Listen here, Blackfella. You can come as long as you just find an Asian guy to move here to and then it's all evened up, pal.

It's exactly the same. It's a one for one in this town. 3.2% Hispanic. Religion in this town. This is the lowest i've ever seen 17.3 percent religious which is normally 50 50 that's zero baptists not a baptist in the in the whole mix here 5.8 percent catholic that seems to be the the highest one zero zero percent jewish 0% Jewish, 0% Islam. Let's see here. The last election here, 43.7% voted Democrat, 53.1% voted Republican, and 3.2% Independent probably voted for Bigfoot, I would assume. I cast my vote for Squatch, and I didn't regret one goddamn minute of it.

He ran a clean campaign. Mr. Harry Henderson. Yeah, he said, I'm going to fuck me grizzly bears, and that's going to be my campaign. And I said, yep, that sounds good. Edible corsages for all. That's right. That's right. And we're going to make John Lithgow.

We're going to put him on the money. That's the other thing. Because we're real partial to him. Unemployment in this town here is a little higher higher than the norm it's about six percent right now here it's about 7.2 percent median household income is low here a lot of the jobs are in tourist places resorts restaurants things like that some big foot yeah big foot knickknack. I don't know what the fuck's going on here. $35,500 is the median household income here, which is way lower. It's $57,000 normally.

26% of people here make under $15,000 a year. It's normally 9%, so that's like three times as many. I don't get that at all. That's waiting tables, man. That's tough. I've been there. That's rough. $1,200 month that's that's not enough that's not even close to enough so that's tough uh the cost of living especially makes it tough 100 is regular average here it is 114 out of 100 and the housing

is a 135 out of 100 median homeian home costs $374,000. That is staggering. Yeah, when the median household income is 35 grand, that's rough. I don't know how the hell you even survive that. You would have to work 10 years, James, saving every dime you get, never pay taxes. Never eating. Never eat a thing of food. Don't drive or eat or have kids.

And then you can buy a house kids or have any health insurance or really anything just save all your money and live in a cave and then you can do it that's wild and if that sounds good to you if you have a cave all picked out we have for you the scamania washington real estate report two bedroom rental here your average so this isn't even a way to go it's higher than the normal it's 1382 dollars so that's unbelievable that's expensive if you you know you're going for that here's the housing i found a two bedroom one bath 1334 square foot this one i believe is actually in skamania this is actually in the town of skamania i think the town is basically the skamania general store and that's it that's the town and a couple of houses um this house it's linoleum and old cabinets and appliances

and counters it's it's a definite time capsule this house vintage james if you consider 1989 vintage then yes this is vintage and it's in the woods this house is in the middle of nowhere but it's not on a big lot at all 279 000 and that's as cheap as you're getting and they just cut the price 21 grand on that too i found a three bedroom two bath bath, 1793 square feet. It's decent, but you're right on top of your next door neighbor. It's like there's some gravel. It's like Phoenix. It looks like Phoenix, but with pine trees in the background.

Jump roof to roof. It's so weird. It's like attempted small town track housing is what it looks like. They tried to do it with one neighborhood. It's all updated and new looking in there and everything. It's only on a half acre.85 000 for that i my my eyes almost started bleeding when i saw that i was like are you nuts that's wild uh then i found a three bedroom three bath 2496 square feet okay it's It's decent. Good bones. Need some updating. The kitchen's clearly from

2004. It's got, you know, black granite and the black like older farty like older appliances. And you can see when it was done here. It's on thirty four acres

though. Holy shit. Which is pretty nice. Six hundred thirty four thousand dollars for that bad boy. So that is not bad. That's not bad compared with

considering the other ones five eighty five to be on half an acre and on top of somebody in a smaller house. So that's what some backsplash will do for you. Up your price. Things to do in this town. The Skamania County Fair and Timber Carnival. Timber Carnival. Timber Carnival. Oh, boy.

It says, let the good times grow. It's on the site. Oh, my God. Oh, boy. It says, let the good times grow. It's on the site. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. This is like a boner festival. You got it. It's all wood, baby. Yeah.

The Skamania County Fair Board and Community Events Department would like to invite you to the Skamania County Fair and Timber Carnival. 50th anniversary of our Timber Carnival. We have new logs donated by SDS Lumber. New logs to look at? That sounds like a party. Brand new ones. Yeah.

New rides, exclamation point. We've contracted with Rainier Amusements. This well-respected carnival will bring us an assortment of new rides. There's never been the words well-respected carnival put together. There's nothing respected about a carnival yeah ever it's never been it's like oh this band of rickety dangerous rides run by meth addicts yes this is very well respected come please this is terrific and they when they say new grocery store parking lot and it's the first time this tilt the world haswhirl has been run at our carnival. We're going to give it a whirl, if you know what I mean, and see how it goes.

4H animals will be in the barns, which include our market sale and fireworks Saturday night. So that's terrific. There's new logs, Jimmy. I mean, what more do you want there? And then also, you can do the, oh, and it says the schemania fare board's looking is looking for your preliminary market poultry order to sign up please go to the link below and it says preliminary poultry order so there's something to do with chickens and poultry and involved in the fair right out of the gate yeah and there's also the stevenson poultry classic show i don't know if

it's like hot chickens or what like chickens dressed like john bonnet ramsey or what the fuck's going on there but welcome to poultry show yeah i don't know what it is the chickens should have to be in some sort of chicken celebrity look-alike thing and then you have to guess da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da starts taking that's the jimmy wants a chicken shot make a chicken strut over a fan in a long white dress that is gorgeous jimmy

i like your i like the way your mind works with a chicken birthmark on its beak looking over its shoulder suggestively back at the audience so uh yeah go to that crime rate in this town besides the weird sexual poultry show that goes on the other crime property crime in this town is a little bit

high it's about 15 high just probably a little little meth here and there i would assume uh violent crime though murder rape robbery and assault the mount rushmore of crime is low it's about half the national average so okay not bad at all that said this little safe town where they're you know have poultry shows and they get jacked up about new there's new logs right we have new used rides and a look there's new logs too to look at we we prop up the new rides with them we put it underneath because it was a little crooked. Those logs are not new. Those are hundreds of years old. So many.

We'll just bring in. Well, they won't know the difference. Logs are logs, right? That said, let us please talk about a murder. What do you say? Let's catch up with a family in late 1986. Just after Christmas 86, the week of New Year's, we do that sort of thing.

It's beautiful. Oh, you can feel the warmth, can't you? You just feel it. Everyone's thinking about getting out there with their new rifles they got for Christmas and hunting Bigfoot. They're just like, I'm going to be the one with this thing. Cleaning it by candlelight.

It's going to be pretty chestnuts roasting by an open fire and bigfoot fucking vivisected on your living room floor it's gonna be wonderful what a romantic scene big feel with a beard in my chimney i think he was here to rape my daughter so yeah it's very romantic uh so late 86 let's catch up with this family. It is a family of there is a stepfather and a mother and then two children from that are the mother's children. Got it. Blended family. Blended family.

But there's no children from the stepfather in this mix. In this mix. He has children, but they're grown. His kids, her kids, our kids. Our kids. Yeah. But these are just her kids. Our kids.

So it's James Butler. Number one, not the criminal boxer who we did an episode on. James Butler, who's 48 years old at this moment. And he's got his wife here, Margaret Butler, who is 35 years old. Okay. And, yeah, she's been divorced for a while, has two kids with her, got married to James, who has grown children as well. has the two kids with her got married to james who has grown children as well um now and her kid the ex-husband margaret's ex-husband lives in long beach washington which is about 100 miles away from here but she has custody of the kids and the two kids are amy stevenson who's 18 years old

and sean allen stevenson who's 16 years old. Okay. So these are the kids. Yeah. Yeah. Late teenagers. That's the family. From what I understand, there's not a lot of contention here. Everybody pretty much gets along. Nothing out of the ordinary of a family with a- Typical family with these-

Yeah. Typical late teenage life. Exactly. I was going to say, it's not even like a stepfather or anything like that i feel like stepfather real father whoever's around if you're 16 and 18 there's always going to be some kind of you know bullshit going on but it's nothing there's nothing crazy going on is what i'm getting at um they james and margaret have been pretty happy since they've been married but things have been going tough for James lately. Hasn't been going very well. And like I said, everybody gets along except for James and Sean.

If anybody has any contention, it's James and Sean, which makes perfect sense. The dad and the stepson. He's 16. This guy's going to try to tell him what to do. All of that stuff, you know, is going to come up at that point so this is nothing to be this is one of those things that probably 20 years from now you'll get along much better you know because now when he talks to you in your head you're going you're a fucking asshole i don't care what you say to me you can't tell me what to do you're not my dad go fuck yourself just

because my mother likes to fuck you doesn't mean that i have to listen to you yeah we've all been there we've all had we've been there her opening her cocksucker for you does not matter shit to me i don't care about any of this but we've between us one of us has probably said that phrase as a matter of fact directly to somebody so i certainly did in between my ears to my stepfather cumulatively we've had we have plenty of these statements locked and loaded between us so uh how many times i told that man fuck you in my head in your head yeah you're like in my head anytime he talked i'm just going fuck you you walk away and steal a video game from sears

well he's well he's yelling at me calling me a loser for stealing from sears in my head i'm going fuck you yeah he was right about that though he was that is pretty sad that's pretty sad jimmy see there's very little else he was right about but that he was right about imagine getting caught stealing from sears today they'd be like why'd you they're they're gonna throw everything out eventually in like a month this place can't last long what the hell are you stealing it for the confrontation with those guys was hilarious because they grabbed me and my stepbrother's shirts on the shoulder and they go do you have anything that belongs to sears and i was like no looking back i'm like why didn't i just say yes my brother said yes it's very heaven's gate do you have anything that belongs to the my stepbrother just smiled at him and goes yeah

and i was like no what are you talking about my pockets are full of their shit right now so uh everybody gets along here like we said except the stepdad and the and the son but they still do things together they bicker and argue but they're not like enemies they still like hang out together they still go hunting all the time together and like you know they just happen to be have some contention which is very normal so that's not that bad of a relationship if they're still going hunting together you know that's a pretty seems like a good relationship and uh sean is actually considered like a really good hunter everyone in town says like he's like a a hunting prodigy i don't know if there's a profession

that you could about a shot or like his tracking skill he's just good at everything all encompassing they said he always ends up getting a deer even when no one else does it says he's the he's and he can find him if one guy if one person's getting a deer it's going to be sean and since he was a little kid he's just been good at it just and I guess if you started doing it when you're a little kid, you know. Well, he's training for Bigfoot. You got to, you know. You have to really practice. When Bigfoot comes at you, you can't hesitate.

You got to be able to. James, when you come for the king, you better not miss. That's what I'm saying. He's coming with that crown. You're going to see him coming. You better not miss. So also in this house added to the mix is grandpa. Okay.

Okay. Now, grandpa, we got to talk about grandpa in the house. Now, grandpa is Margaret's mother or father. Father. Yeah. Not his mother. Not her mother. Anyway, he is older now and has recently had a stroke.

Oh, no. This stroke has left him, to put it mildly, a little bonjour. He's a little fucking, he's a little out there. Upstairs, yeah. Upstairs. He's also can't speak. He's mute now. It's taken away his ability to speak and he doesn't really know where he is a lot of the time. Oh, God.

Strokes are fucking horrible, first of all. It's way scarier than anything else. If you have a heart attack, you'll either live and you can come back from it. You might be a little weak, or you'll die. A stroke is like anything from, hey, I barely noticed it, to the whole side of my body doesn't work. And, you know, like it's a complete crapshoot, really, of what will happen to you. So it goes from I barely noticed it to me having to ask what the fuck happened. Yeah, it's terrible.

My mother had a stroke last year doing a stress test thing for a heart thing. They thought that turned out to be nothing. Yeah, they had to. They had to do the test differently because of covid protocols that she couldn't do the certain things so they had to inject her with i guess more adrenaline was part of it and it gave her a stroke so yeah she's still recovering from it that was like a year ago she still has residual problems from it dizziness she can't stand up sometimes and shit like it's it's bad so i remember that happened but i didn't know that was the reason yeah it was it wasn't good so um he he can't speak doesn't really know where he is a lot of the times he just kind of wanders around the house

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They're like, OK, that's good. They get along along wonderfully they're like okay that's good they get along great they're not there's no like sibling bullshit with them they're they're totally everybody at school says they're like best friends they're great she when he came to high school she went around introducing him to everybody saying this is my brother be nice to him this is my brother this is sean awesome making getting him friends and shit like that so she seems really cool so uh it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people with a touch

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Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast podcast listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts anyway james is having some problems he's out of work at this moment out of work growing weed in the garage drinking heavily heavily and basically is known to everyone in town to be very depressed most of the time. Is he growing the weed as like cultivating it to sell it in town? That's a point of contention. We'll put it that way because some people will say he is, and some people, when we hear about it, it doesn't sound like he is. It sounds like he's just trying to grow some plants for himself, and he's kind of not even really that good at that or not good at keeping up on it but

either way he's broke no work growing weed drunk all the time walking around town depressed going to the liquor store all the time so in a small town like that too if you keep going to liquor store and buying liquor everyone knows you're you're drunk because they've seen you know it's there's only one place to get it right there and so everyone knows about it whereas like in phoenix in phoenix you can go get booze at a walgreens and no one will know what the hell you did no you could go in there every day at the same time and see different people every time you'll never see anybody that's. Luckily, which is that's a wonderful anonymity about. It is nice there. So. So James having a hard time, obviously.

And this is everyone knows that. So New Year's Eve comes up. OK. New Year's Eve, December 31st, 1986. Yep. And there's some parties in the neighborhood. People are celebrating. There's, you know, a little bit of fireworks here and there.

Nothing major. A little party that people kind of go from party to party, walk around because everybody knows each other. And hey, they're having a party too. You walk around with your beer and say hi to people. So it seems like that's how it works here. Well, after midnight, we're talking the son here, Sean, takes most of his belonging, most of his belongings and drives one hundred and ten miles to Long Beach, Washington. OK, OK. Most of that. Yeah. Just take some goes takes has all the shit and he's gone. Now, later that morning, he's it's early in the morning, but, you know, daylight now, I believe six, seven o'clock, something like that. He's on a pay phone at Long Beach in Long Beach here. He's approached by a police officer named Steve Graves in Long Beach, Washington. The guy, I don't know if he asked him if he's lost.

The guy asked him a question here, this police officer, which with according to this officer Graves, Sean responded with, I just killed three members of my family. Well, Sean. So I, you know, figured I'd tell you that since you're here. No one else to tell. I was trying to find Bigfoot and he wasn't around. I hear he's good at stuff like this. I thought he'd be more like this than you would be i thought he would give me like some clues maybe he could take me to his den you know i don't know yeah i hear he's got good weed we could hang out i was just gonna tell him i need a family so uh i'm a free agent yeah yeah i've got a lot going on we'll put it

that way it's busy but i'm i'm taking resumes at the moment so this officer doesn't know you know him from a hole in the ground he's never seen him before and he doesn't know who his family is he's saying he killed his family 100 miles away he's like i guess i'll arrest you now so yeah at least you know come to the police station with me probably let's go sort some minor information out so they do they go back to the station they telephone the scamania county scamania brother that's how they answer the phone here yeah scamania brother what can we do for you you're like wow scamania can you hold please only because the hold music is fucking rad it just sits it's a lot of horns it's so much fun let's go it's me and our band so

listen here can't put you on hold just a minute and over that is a promo for scamania 25 brother so uh they call the scamania sheriff's office and they they say, we got a guy here, kid, really, 16. He just turned 16. We got a kid here who says, weird thing, says he slaughtered his whole family in the house. I mean, I don't know if you want to check that out. We're all the way over here. We're not going to do it. It's not our problem.

And it's all the way over there. You should probably go check that out. So they dispatch Officer Tom Converse to the defendant's home with Deputy Adidas and Sheriff Puma is also there. Three deputies, one in suede, one in shell toes, the other in chucks, and they walk him out. They're pretty stylish, we're not going to lie. They go well with jeans, track pants, shorts, anything you really want to put on. shorts anything you really want to put on yes so anyway uh back in in long beach there he's uh there's they're talking about it and uh everybody's kind of words starting to spread that this has even even in town before before the cops got to the house everybody already knew that something

was going on in the town i don't know if they called everyone and then went to the house the cops i gotta make some phone calls and then i'll go check out this alleged crime scene so i gotta tell everybody where i'm going yeah so they figured out why he's in long beach his father michael and his grandmother mildred live in long beach so they're like okay that might be why they were there um he stopped the pay phone he using, by the way, was right next to the police station in the town he was in there, the Long Beach Police Station. He used a public restroom next to the police station and then went in front of the police station and used the pay phone. That's why they were like, what's up with you? And they said, quote, the indications are that he was running, but we don't know any more than that.

I think he might have told the Long Beach Police that he had an argument with his stepfather. That's all the police know at that moment because they just it's a game of literal telephone. Right. They called and told us this. And then that's then the cop who took the call told me this. So I don't know what's going on here. So he said he heard this. So they said that he heard. And this one thinks so the they're notified 6 45 a.m and uh here's what ends up happening this is converse is there and we'll

talk about his experience but the sheriff arrives a little while later the sheriff sheriff of ska a brother ray blaisdell uh blaisdell b-l-i-a-i-s-d-e-l-l it is his first day on the job he took over january 1 1987 and at 6 45 in the morning he's murder he's in his mirror at his house putting his hat on that you know and he's doing it like straight like sheriffs in town, baby. He just got done. He just got done banging his wife like while still wearing his badge. Like, you know what I'm saying? They just did some role play.

I didn't say that in the morning. In the mirror, there is a new sheriff in town. There's a new sheriff in town, buddy. And then he like tilted his cap down. And then the phone rang. And he shined up his badge. And then he went to go pour a bowl of lucky charms and instead of that there was a phone call going we hear there's a blood bath at the at the fucking

butler residence like huh how the fuck was the last time there's a murder in this fucking county there's only 12 000 people this hasn't happened you had a bad first day at work that's your first day at work no time to get settled in. No time to figure out how we're going to do the time clock now. He doesn't even have the sticker letters on the window yet. Yeah. When the receptionists get breaks. None of that's happened.

He doesn't even have his parking sticker on his truck yet. None of this is happening. This guy's like, fuck. I'm picturing Hopper from Stranger Things, but on his first day what i saw it's just it's what we all saw because it's 1987 yeah where hopper had like a depressing get ready for work yeah this guy's like like hopper's first day on the job and he's still fresh that's what it looked like when hopper was jacked about this job he's like now he's like fuck i know he was never jacked about it he came there to get quiet he was from the city we know

it we get it we know we've all seen it but yeah besides that this poor bastard though he you gotta feel for someone with their first day on the job is you expect that if it's your first day as like the you know clark county sheriff in vegas or something you're gonna you're gonna walk in and find an escort with her body parts spread around the room and you expect that you expect that you don't expect this in skamania also sheriff is a is an elected position this poor man ran campaigned got money up showed up for his first date with blood i've earned this my whole life has led up to this oh how many oh fuck oh no now i have to live up to those goddamn campaign

promises oh no god damn it so they go to the house and also he doesn't even have like he hasn't set up how like he works his crime scene protocols with No, he's got none of that's been established yet. This is they could have really used like a general store getting broken into first or something. But, you know, build this up. So they go to the house. They end up collecting evidence. They get blood and they get blood. And by the way, blood is also collected from Sean Stevenson, the son here, from his vehicle.

We'll talk about that. But there's blood collected from his vehicle. There's blood on the walls, the furniture. There is fucking blood everywhere in this house. They said it looked like a pig exploded in there or something. Like it was just there's blood everywhere. And they'll tell you why in a second. So Officer Converse is the first to arrive.

Yeah. Appears in the window of the house. And the first thing he sees is the mother, Margaret Butler. She is lying in bed, clearly been shot. There's blood everywhere and a lot of her head's missing. So it's not great. He immediately calls for backup this small town guy i just imagined him fumbling for the radio chief sheriff sheriff

uh hi but welcome to welcome to the department first of all uh coffee it's don't use the machine on the left it doesn't work real well the one on the right is much better by the way there's a fucking woman with half her head in a goddamn house you want to get over here and every other sentence he said he threw up yeah he goes he's never seen this shit before yeah no use that one and i gotta hold on it's just in my mouth a little bit it's just not a lot so i'm not even i'm just i'm a i'm gagging imagining what this house smells like. So Officer Chris Ford responds here. Ford and Converse on the scene.

Hilarious. That's a sitcom there. Ford and Converse. Converse and Ford. Solving the crimes. Everything's a Fortune 500 company. They always have a little bit of throw up on the front of their uniform. they always have a little bit of throw up on their yeah on the front of their uniform so they enter the house to determine if uh anybody's still alive in there or if any there's

other dead people they just look through the window and saw one body and we're like holy shit so they called they enter and it gets worse as they enter it starts getting much worse um also they have guns drawn they're wondering if whoever did this is still there. They don't fucking know. And I don't think they're used to doing this either. That's the other thing. This isn't a normal thing for them. This is holy shit.

And whoever did this has a gun also. So this is horrifying. Oh, by definitely, as we'll find out here. So they enter the house. They're creeping around. I'm sure shaking probably of like, oh, my God, what is happening? They discover next the body of james butler the stepfather he is lying on the floor in the bedroom with margaret butler so they're both

on the floor in the bedroom uh both of them have been shot in the head once as once with a high powered rifle like a big hunting rifle closer close range to very close range like extra close wow real close 30 30 or 30 out of six or some shit yeah we'll we'll we'll get into it oh we're gonna talk great oh we'll talk calibers all right we're gonna talk calibers babe we're gonna get into the science of this don't you worry i'm guessing a 30 cal but go on you know jimmy you're not you're not you're pretty prescient i gotta say you can say a lot of things about Jimmy, but sometimes when it comes to things, country music, guns. You mean hillbilly culture, Jay? Is it like I'm a goddamn hillbilly?

It's kind of like he's a redneck. It's good. So then, we're making jokes, but this is a horrible scene that they're walking through here uh then they are you know going around the rest of the house and they find out there's a basement and they go head down to the basement and here is where they find amy stevenson 18 year old amy she has been shot twice in the head she's the only one that's been shot twice in the head with two different caliber rifles oh weird and there's a 22 rifle lying close by to her as well here um that's not even the bad part uh also she's naked from the waist down oh no and there is

semen visible in her you know area there on and around and about her pubic area. She's been she's been, yeah, at least assaulted, but most likely raped and and also shot twice in the head. So not good at all. And like I said, if you're a small town cop who this isn't your normal day, this is fucking the worst thing possible. This isn't like, you know, oh the worst thing possible this isn't like you know oh this lady shot her husband and he's lying on the floor this is a fucking horrific scene that you know anybody even with family massacre yeah this is horrific so during the initial sweep they the officers take note of a bunch of things in plain view obviously pools of blood spatterings of blood there is human tissue chunks

of skull brain matter you know there's brain on the wall like it's it's this is as bad as it gets here um the uh they found a wallet a broken pottery bank like a you know a bank like a piggy bank yeah but made of pottery and i don't think it was a pig uh shell casings uh they also they find this semen obviously on amy stevenson's body they find the 22 caliber rifle um now because of their desire from what they say to preserve the scene they don't remove any of these items but they wait outside the house they secure they say they looked around noted these all visually cleared the house of anyone alive and um and we'll talk about there is one person and uh because who are we missing we're missing grandpa grandpa nobody grandpa yeah we're missing grandpa bonjour here so we have uh we uh grandpa bonjour

i'm sorry that's so horrible it's terrible but i don't know why it's funny so maybe because it happened 35 years ago and it's possibly why you know we haven't found his body so that makes it okay yeah that's what it is we're so uncomfortable with the fact that this horrible shit's been happening. We're like, who's alive to make fun of? Because we're uncomfortable. Because we're comedians, and we're like, this is too dark. It's a lot. So it's very fucking dark.

So because of this, they don't remove any of the items. They just wait outside the house, lock it all down, close the house up, and wait outside for the county's criminal investigation unit to come, which in a county of 12,000 people, I can't imagine, has much more experience or knowledge in it than fucking you do. Probably like how often are there same qualifications? How often is there a sexual like slaughter like this? Like that doesn't happen in 12,000 people. 12,000 people is like a neighborhood in phoenix you know like it's nothing so countrywide this barely happens i mean yeah it happens but not not i'm barely in comparison to how many fucking people there are in this county so members of this unit arrive shortly after that and they spend several hours collecting

the evidence uh they find shitloads of guns all over the house by the way because this is a hunt they're very hunting family like always very washington with squash around you never know so you gotta have a lot you better be armed you better be armed uh bullets spent shell casings unused bullets casings everything uh they get blood and semen samples, clothing samples with blood. They take over 200 photographs of the scene because the scenes in, I mean, the scenes from the bedroom down to the basement and all that sort of thing. After they complete all of that, they figure out that each victim was shot in the head

at close range with a high powered rifle. Amy had been shot twice and also raped. No other sexual anything on the mom or dad. The only significant evidence produced by the search of anything physical nature other than blood and what we talked about was a bullet that went through Margaret Butler's head. Went through her head, pillow, and mattress then it became embedded in a wooden bedpost. That's where they found it. And they dug it out of the wooden bedpost when they when they did the second search of the house. So that's how they found one bullet.

And the medical examiner. This is all weird, too. And then this is, again, with small town shit. And it's kind of like why we do small town murder. The coroner. OK, coroner now is also the county's prosecuting attorney. Of a conflict of interest because you can question yourself on the stand. That's what I mean. Like, you can't. It seems like you need those to be separate. Also, like, the coroners and the medical examiners, it depends on the county whether it's a medical examiner or coroner, but they, like, help determine whether things are homicide, suicide, like, natural causes there.

They're part of that, too. And if you have the prosecutor in the mix, I feel like that's a it's just like conflict of interest. It's too much. Yeah. There's a little oil in my oatmeal. It's just what's going on here. It's black. It's only a little.

But you move it around. It's just a swirl. It just keeps going. Can't get it all out. Not right. It's never going to come out. It's just wrong. You know, it's a fucking strats used to.

It's from like a 91 Geo Metro. I like w30 yeah it feels it is it is 40 40 it's 40 it's 40 so the medical examiner here and the prosecuting attorney the who's the coroner and the and deputy grassy okay by the way when i said the county's criminal investigation unit comes in you pictured what like eight guys coming in with a bunch of a bunch of men and women either white suits or they have like a windbreaker with like you know csi type yeah criminal investigation you ciu on the back they have latex gloves on and there's a bunch of them oh you're collecting that i'm over here taking pictures no no it is the prosecuting attorney and deputy grassi that's the that's the whole thing so we need the coroner who's also the prosecutor and one deputy that's the entire

county's criminal investigation unit that tells you that doesn't happen here because they've never enough people to call it a unit yeah because it's only one if it was one person and it's only the prosecutor it's kind of a one-man show at that point go by the name just give him a badge and a gun too at that point call him the sheriff and we'll just say that he runs shit around here so they're a cut they're uh accompanied also they call in a special investigator borrowed from neighboring cowlitz county sheriff's office who probably has about as much experience in this as they do yeah you want to look you all see a dead body that's what it is there's three of them come with us come do it it's gonna be gross and they

all went there that's the way i picture this shit so all three shot in the head with a 30 caliber jimmy yes sir 30 caliber rifle amy also shot once with a 22 caliber rifle they assume she got a family also she got the 31st they assume and then they then the 22 which was found nearby oh my god does that mean she was still alive maybe which is very that's fucked up man unlikely probably with the 30 caliber because it was it's it opens up an exit yeah uh it open up it opens up an exit that spreads much of the inside of the contents of your head onto the wall so i don't know how you'd really elk with a 30 cal games from from a thousand feet away and it'll drop it if you do it hit somebody in the head with it from inches away close range yeah this is close range man this is brutal this

is brutal yeah this is like a this is brutal shit man so blood tests show they do blood tests on the victim blood tests show that the butlers margaret and james had been very drunk but it's new year's eve you expect that it's new year's. They've been very drunk before their death. And also they had marijuana in their blood as well. So they said they expect it. That's what I mean. And it's New Year's Eve. So if there's anybody's going to be doing any partying, this is the night it's going to happen.

You bet. So the investigation, they do the investigation. They get everything out. And then pretty quick afterwards, they just get like their stuff out. They don't like hold the crime scene for a while in case they need it for something else. They do their sweep and then they go, all right, all

yours. They turn it back over to the relatives. Clean it up. That's what they do. The relatives come in. They clean it. They wash all the blood out, all the brain matter off the walls. They burn the blood-soaked mattresses and the bedding and the chair in which James Butler had been shot. They burn all of that. They get rid of the bedpost that had the gun in it, the bullet hole, everything.

They just get rid of everything that was in the house. And the cops let them get rid of everything. Like, literally. They instructed them to, yeah. Like, the next day, they were like, all right, clean it all up. Do what you got to do. Your house is not our fucking problem. And they leave. That's it. we got our pictures see you around about a dozen guns were found by deputies who discovered the three bodies there in the house

uh the uh six other rifles and pistols were found in his truck as well when they found him when he was arrested in long beach sean's truck in sean's truck they found six guns with them there was some blood in the truck six rifles and pistols and all but one were loaded to the max too they were all loaded the fuck i mean why have them i guess if you're not going to load them so you don't put bullets in there you go so obviously in a town where the county's crime scene investigation unit consists of the prosecuting attorney who's also the coroner and one other dude word gets around quickly in this town and people are real freaked out and real gossipy about it and they just can't wait to talk to

the newspapers with their with their gossip and that's fun and uh first is the liquor store guy roger grove yeah he uh a lot yep uh he's got he runs the skamania general store which is about a hundred yards from their home so they live so where were you sir how did you not hear this jesus three 30 caliber gunshots you didn't hear a thing get granted i would night i was gonna say i think probably the liquor store is closed at midnight or the general store he was hammered by then he said that he knew of the butler's marijuana use he said oh i knew they used marijuana i'll tell you something and uh he had seen james come into the store very intoxicated uh up three times or more in the couple weeks before the killings like before that he never would come in like openly hammered you know he'd be fine when he went to the store but he said the last couple weeks he has just been coming in stumbling and stinking liquor and

shit-faced and uh roger grove here says quote he was depressed because he was out of work. Well, thank you, Dr. Grove, for your in-depth analysis. You know, he also says that and everyone has a different take on this. He says that Sean didn't appear to get along with his stepfather, but he did have a great relationship with his mother and sister. And he knows them by what he sees of these people when they're in his store right and it's a very i guess 100 yards away you might be able to see if they're like out in the yard having a fist fight but outside of that you really don't know shit but openly uh clearly bickering with each other in public if uh i don't know it seemed like he had a good relationship with his sister and his mom but that guy they didn't get along in the liquor store they're doing that you know what i

mean in the yes scamania general store they're picking out fucking potatoes they're bitching at each other it sounds odd right yeah it's really strange um he said this guy said quote i've never seen him be impolite to his sister or mom but everybody knew he didn't like his stepdad okay so he makes comments and shit in public. I love everybody knew. That's the thing. Everybody. Whenever anybody in these stories says, well, everybody knew this. It's like, who? Only nosy people like you who work at the general store and gossip with fucking.

Right. Why are you watching people so close? I don't know anything about anybody around me. Like if something happened next door to my house and people were like everybody knew this i go i didn't i didn't know shit i i know the person had a head and legs because i've seen them go get their mail outside of that i don't know a fucking thing about their life or what they're doing that's on them i don't care i assume we put up an above ground pool because one day there was one out there and there was one out there yeah i figured someone didn't just come onto his property and erect one for him and then leave figured it was on purpose so that's how i know wow um but he he said that uh yeah he didn't like his stepdad he also this

roger grove has all the info he said that sean quote seemed like a very lonely person and that he and his stepdad didn't get along well but they did go hunting together all the time because you like to spend long hours in the woods with people you don't like generally right that's normal so the nice part about hunting is you can get the fuck away from those people and yeah and you're trying to be quiet they start saying something like don't talk shut the fuck up well Well, maybe I would like hunting. You would love hunting. I don't want to shoot anything.

But I don't want to shoot anything. The only bummer, James, is you can't be out there smoking weed because they will smell it and run away. Maybe they'll like it and come to work. But you're not there to shoot anything anyway. You're there for the people. That's what I mean. I don't want to shoot anything.

If I see a deer, I'm going to be like, oh, look at him. He's cool as fuck. Check him out. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Oh, he's gorgeous. Dude, he's like a little horse. Look at him. He's fucking awesome cool as fuck. Check him out. Don't shoot. Oh, he's gorgeous. Dude, he's like a little horse. Look at him.

He's fucking awesome. That's what I would say. Don't shoot. You'll scare him away. We put apples and shit, so deer come up and eat them, and then we look at them and go, look at the deer. We take pictures of them and shit. Look at him.

Look at him. There's that on the tree. There's the whole family. That's what we do. We're like, that's the mother and the two babies. Ah, the buck's growing his horns out. Look at him go. That's what we do.'re like there's a that's two babies ah the buck's growing his horns out look at him go that's what we do he's growing his antlers it's so much better than shooting them yeah i don't know i mean if i lived in if i was like if i lived in like some rural

place somewhere and i didn't have a lot of access to food and i some people should hunt for food like i get it then you're that's that's food i mean whenever i go to the grocery store someone killed that shit so i get it i mean it's not like i'm against it i just don't want to kill a giant mammal myself unless it's really pissed me off and i don't feel like a deer i don't feel like a deer capable yeah i'm incapable a deer's never done the things to me that make me want to strangle somebody or shoot them with a 30 caliber rifle people have done way worse things to me than any deer's ever done ever ever people have stolen from me deers have never taken anything from me that i didn't give them but you didn't leave in the yard on the ground for them otherwise this

generally don't come into your house i've never woken up and had a deer rifling through my dresser drawers look back at me like oh shit it's never happened i'm sorry i'll leave the only thing that the only wildlife that's ever taken anything from me is the coyotes that steal my rabbits and i like i like the rabbit so i'll shoot a fucking coyote in the mouth i don't give a shit coyotes are dicks too they're all gross out there so this is fucking amazing this is how ridiculous small town gossip is and this is why you can't listen to people and whenever people get involved things turn terrible this is what this roger grove said from the grocery store from the grocery store now there's alternating tales from everybody of sean being both of, you know,

like a social guy who's good with friends and has friends and being like this shadowy figure who like lurks in the darkness with no one around him. And they literally say it in alternating sentences. And then this guy fucking Dr. Roger, again, he's a psychiatrist, this fucking guy.

He's the guy who has theory before. He says that Sean, who's a sophomore at Stevenson high school, again, he's a psychiatrist, this fucking guy. He's the guy who had his theory before. He says that Sean, who's a sophomore at Stevenson High School, quote, seemed like a very lonely person in one breath. Then in the next, his next fucking statement is, quote, he was outgoing, although maybe that was a defense mechanism for him. Where did you go to medical school, sir mechanism for him where did you go to medical school sir what fucking school did you go to to sit and go i mean even though he's talkative and outgoing and seems to have friends i can see a lonely person in there like what the fuck are

you talking about it's very contradictory you know like a 16 year old sullen and pissy some days but outgoing too around their friends. Like every 16-year-old on earth. Yeah, real weird. Another neighbor, Jeffrey Cloutier, said, quote, it didn't appear he had a lot of close friends. He was big for his age and tried to live up to that macho tough guy image. It's every kid. That sounds like every kid.

It's anybody. It's just you want to be cool. Cloutier and grove both of they got together for this one cloutier and grove are going to put an album out now you're gonna drop some tracks they said that uh both of them said yeah they enjoyed hunting together the stepfather and stepson and they own many many guns the grandmother mildred stevenson uh sean's grandmother said quote he's an excellent shot he gets a deer every year that's incredible when things like this are on the table maybe this isn't the time when you brag about your grandson's shooting acumen when they're accusing him of using it on his entire family she's like she's like he was an always been an excellent shot she's so proud of her grand is this my grandmother that's a four head shots and three

bodies that sounds like my boy my yeah my grandmother would go my well it's because he's a good shot that's right he's a nice boy three bodies four head shots wow uh she's jesus she said that her grandson had spent Christmas in Long Beach and then went back to Skamania a couple days later. And then a few days later, he's back. Mildred said, we all love him so much. We couldn't believe what's happened. So they're in shock. Everyone's like, it just doesn't seem like that.

Like, it just doesn't seem like that. A woman at the Scamania store that they ran into said that the deaths have, quote, had a terrible impact on the community. People come in with real long faces now. Everybody's depressed, apparently. They say that from the ballistics, it's likely that one of the rifles he had in the car could have been the one to shoot the bullet. But they can't get it exact because it went through a head in a mattress and embedded itself in a bedpost. And the shit isn't perfect anymore. So they said that could have been the one, not positive. And we don't know for sure now because they burned the fucking bed frame.

They'll never find out. So they said that only one of the guns that he had in him in the truck could have fired the gun. This one 30 caliber scope equipped Marlin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a Bigfoot hunting gun. That's literally in the beginning of Harry and the Hendersons, what they were selling people.

That exact fucking gun, the Sean Bigfoot. He said that the grooves inside the barrel are unique to that weapon and produce marks on the bullet. The death bullets, they said, had to come from the rifle in the truck or another one similar to it because, yeah, that had a very similar rifling on all of them. similar to it because yeah that had a very similar rifling on all of them so he said the 22 caliber bullet from amy stevenson's head because that was still in there of course because those bounce around was consistent with bullets uh that they fired from the rifle in the room so they think that's the that's definitely the 22 which makes a lot of sense uh there now the big question where the fuck is grandpa yeah okay that's the thing that okay now the only person at the family home here that was home during the shootings and is still fucking

alive and not in police custody is grandpa yeah now the he apparently uh he hasn't been out of the house in a while since he's been ill so the police only know him and people only know him after his medical condition from right now and he is a mute according to him he's a mute and that's that so

what are you going to do mute boom no information from him well after the shooting he walked from the house over to the general store he just like walked wandered over there uh wow he there was another part of i guess he was in another part of the house and they think he heard the gunshots of course he did the prosecutor though said that it's he can't really rely on him as a witness, quote, because of his difficulty in communicating and his recent medical history. His testimony, he said, wouldn't really isn't really going to be necessary anyway, as we'll find out here.

They said that he was in the house, but unable to provide much help to anything. They said the exact time of death is also not known. They said we established to attempted to establish the time of death is also not known they said we established to attempted to establish the time of death but we couldn't do it in this case the time of death isn't that important though they're like you know sometime in the night and we think he did it so that's good enough for us we don't need to establish a timeline which if i'm on a jury you gotta show me a timeline motherfucker i need to yeah if you're asking for what they're going to be asking for yeah it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm

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They had Sean's picture there. Just one picture. It was Sean's. It was a picture that he had given Sean. You know what I mean? So it was like he knew the picture well. It was a picture that uh he had given Sean oh you know what I mean so it was like he knew the picture well it was a picture that he knew and they said who killed him and he pointed to the picture of Sean Sean yeah that's what he said so they uh they said who is this they said he's barely able to like he just goes for like yes and. He can't get anything out. He said that's how he indicated that it was the son who it was Sean who did all this.

But they said they also weren't sure that he actually witnessed the killings and that he really even knew what the fuck they were talking about. That's the other thing. They don't know if they said, do you know, here's a picture. And he went, I know him like that's my grandson. And pointed to like, literally, he might be out there to the point where they just showed him a familiar picture, and he went, oh, that's Sean. Look at that in his head. I know him.

You know what I'm saying? They don't have any fucking idea of what's going on with this guy. He's just been sitting in a room for six months. He said, I asked him if it was his grandson, and he nodded yes. That tells nothing yeah the picture of the point he pointed to the photograph uh from his wallet because they had his wallet and they had pictures like because that's where they needed a picture of sean and he had one in his wallet and they said that uh he said he knew the photo was of stevenson because on the back it said to

grandpa from sean there's a picture he kept that Sean given him of himself. He was a kid. So anyway, Sean is in Long Beach, as we said here. And he the Long Beach police say that he admits to killing his family and all of this type of shit. Now, later on, they're going to say that none of that matters because he was in shock from discovering the bodies and that he is they think that he's developed amnesia from some sort of trauma from seeing thinks he did it because he stumbled upon three bodies and he just takes claim. police station here uh he walked in there and what he said to them was quote i think you're going to want to talk to me after the terrible thing i did he said and this is uh the officer graves that was there he said that quote he said he had just killed his stepdad mother and sister in scamania and then they and then he stretched out his arms to be handcuffed said i just killed

my family in scamania and put his arms out, so you might as well cuff me. So once they got in the station, this is all outside on the street by a pay phone. This isn't even in the interrogation room. What a scene. This is according to Graves, and he was the only one who I believe heard this confession. Another officer will come in later on. None of this is taped. None of this is audio, video it's 87 um he says graves claims that stevenson described an argument with

his stepfather over a party i guess i don't know why so butler grounded him and he said that sean said quote one thing led one thing led to another. That usually describes sex. Yeah. Not killing your whole family and raping your sister. Not at all. And raping your older sister is a we've never had this before. We've never had anybody rape their sister. James, how do you go from arguing with your stepfather to raping your older sister?

Who has this isn't even your stepfather's kid this has nothing to do with them that doesn't those two things don't connect no and we've we've never had this before that's i mean he uh i guess long beach patrolman john dodge uh had come in as well shut up john dodge we got dodge ford Converse. We got Buick coming through next. What the fuck is happening? I believe Teddy Nabisco is going to be on the case pretty soon. Judge Samsung presiding. That's fucking funny as shit. Judge Samsung.

Dodge, Ford, Converse. This is crazy. Go on. This is too much here. No, it's amazing. It's wild. In Scamania. Asked, okay, well, you got into a fight with your stepdad.

One thing led to another. Why did you kill your sister and your mother? That doesn't make any sense. And he reportedly said, quote, you'd have had to been there to understand. Yeah, I would say. Give us a shot. Give us a try. I don't know.

Can you expand? Just a little. This is too much. Give us a shot. Give us a try. I don't know. Can you expand? Just a little. This is too much. It's a lot. So patrolman John Dodge said that when he asked Stevenson what happened, that Sean said, quote, I'll tell you the same thing I told the other officer. I killed my stepfather, my mother, and my sister. That's it.

Then he was quoted in a hospital room where they were taking scrapings from under his fingernails for evidence he was quoted as saying quote i don't want to die just because i shot those people in scamania so that is uh that's the officer dodge quoting that there now so yeah as interrogation they say he confessed twice to both guys uh one police officer and then again to the other one so they heard that uh and then again they say he also would end up confessing to a girlfriend that he phoned from the police station because those calls aren't monitored obviously you want to let out your deepest darkest on those so the testimony uh later on about this whole thing they're going to say that he only said that stuff because he was in shock

over finding the bodies of his parents. Now, that sounds stupid and crazy. Only problem is there's several, and I mean several, witnesses that say he was at a party while this occurred, while they all

heard gunshots together coming from that direction that they thought were fireworks thought were fireworks because it's it was New Year's Eve. Yeah, same thing. So, yeah, this is wild. Now, this is the other thing they tried. That other guy said, I think he was lonely. He was only outgoing as a defense mechanism. There's a newspaper article where the giant bold headline is youth charged

in slaying had no friends okay and then they go on to just quote five of his friends in this fucking article he was at a party he's over here what the fuck has one person said that he didn't seem to have a lot of friends so they took that one quote made that the headline and then completely went against it with everything in the fucking article except for one quote. Is it everybody's first day on the job in this town? It's crazy. Like, no one's ever seen a murder, and their brains are melting. So, yeah, they said that one person from town was in the newspaper.

Quote, this is from the paper. And it was in the newspaper. Quote, this is from the paper. Quote, from Longview, Washington. A 16-year-old Skamania youth charged with raping and killing his sister and shooting his mother and stepfather to death had no friends to speak of, but was close to his sister, said acquaintances. Okay, now. Later on in that fucking article, Jimmy. No friends to speak of. To speak of, James.

An inch and a half down the fucking page. I'm turning the monitor. Roll over so you can read this. Quote, a friend of Shawn Stevenson's, Russell Lewis. Even named him. Not a guy that he knows, a friend of his. Your fucking article is he has no friends. That's the goddamn title of your fucking article.

Dude. They just tried. It makes it, oh, he's a loner, and it's not as easy. That makes it more clear. Whereas if he had friends, oh, how could he possibly have murdered everybody? Yeah, you need a reason for this atrocity to occur. And if it's not there, make it make it happen so this russell lewis who's up the street from him he says he was with sean at a party the whole time

this was happening including when he and multiple other people here heard four shots come from the direction of the butler house and said oh shit were those gunshots they discussed the shots together all these people uh this guy russell lewis said quote at the time we didn't think anything about it it was new year's eve but after a while sean began to worry and went down to the house after that i didn't see him so literally they sat there they were like i can't be anything and then they had seen no activity in the house but they knew everybody stayed up late and it was new year's eve so he was like that's weird i should go over and check that out we heard gunshots you

never know heard for boom saw no explosions of fireworks so i wandered yeah i didn't see any fucking red and green shit in the sky and i was like this could be weird so i that that right there is a lot that's a that's a a really strong alibi witness that says argument yeah we heard the gunshots together like that's ridiculous another guy by the way no friends clearly um chris hamrich who was 31 at the time he lives up the the road from the Stevenson home in Skamania, and he said that he, Stevenson, and a third friend, the third friend is Lewis, he's another guy that was there, they literally sat there together.

So this isn't just one guy that he made, hey, say I was with you and we heard the gunshots. This is another fucking guy. They don't live together. These are separate people that were just hanging out at a party. He said that they were all there together, heard the gunshots, discussed it, sat around for a while. You know, a little then a little while later, Sean said, man, I still haven't heard anything.

I'm gonna go check and make sure everything's cool at my house and went to his house. So that's two people. No friends. man a psychiatrist said that uh that uh you know he has amnesia is what they're gonna say now uh hamrich says that one of the 31 year old who was with lewis and sean he says that the trio argued whether the first sound when they heard the first shot they argued whether it was a gunshot or a firecracker okay They didn't know. Then they determined the sounds were gunshots after two more loud bangs came within eight minutes, he said. So it wasn't quick, quick.

Came within eight minutes. And then they heard a fourth shot that sounded different than the other shots, which would be the 22, which sounds much different than a 30 caliber being fired. And if you're a hunter, you can definitely tell the difference between those two. Absolutely. You know, if you do hear them all the time. They said those two loud bangs came after that. And then a fourth one even later on.

Russell Lewis says that he, Hamrich, and Sean were drinking beer at Hamrich's house when they heard the shots. And Lewis said, I thought they came from Sean's house. But the trio didn't think much of it. Like we said, they said, number one, firecrackers, number two, gunshots. And they were like, well, they probably weren't in the house. They're probably just out there. And they said gunshots are not abnormal in this area at all. It's a rural area with tons of constantly people shooting shit in their yards and animals and

things like that they said that sean went home at about 1 30 to check on his house he goes well i'll go check it out and go to bed and everything i'm sure it's fine they said that's when he left uh ham rich said he was awakened by a neighbor at about 7 a.m who's this is this is like some small town humor here some dad humor knocked on the door at 7 a.m this guy's up drinking till 3 in the morning he staggers out the fuck and the guy said quote i guess the pot the butlers had a hell of a party last night oh boy that's what he said to the discovery of everyone being murdered in the house brutally hell of a party last night so hamrich didn't know what he was talking about so he said what are you talking about what the being murdered in the house brutally. Hell of a party last night.

So Hamrich didn't know what he was talking about, so he said, what are you talking about? What the hell are you talking about? And the guy just replied, quote, they're all dead. Hell of a party. They're all dead. See ya. Have a good one.

Happy New Year. Have a great day. By the way, I'm- Don't forget to write 87 on your checks. I'll take that Christmasmas tree away for five dollars i'm gonna start a service in the area i think i could make a little extra money on the side you got any empties i can recycle i gotta go they're all dead um so anyway um this is fucking nuts so the sister's best friend they talk to her because they're they're trying to figure out they're like okay well people say he wasn't even there and then they're like well we need to get like an alibi we're not an alibi we need to get like a a solid through line of why this happened of like what the fuck happened motive isn't that important in

a murder investigation but in something like this it, well, did he kill his mother and sister? Did the fight with his stepdad spill that much? I need to find out. So they talk to several of their schoolmates. They both go to the same school, Amy and Sean,

and they all described Sean as a friendly and fun youth. No friends. Dark, sullen, depressed, friendly and fun youth. This is what the girls sullen, depressed. Friendly and fun youth. This is what the girls in high school describe him. So that's how he is, if that's how the girls are describing him. I've got news for you.

That is a generational difference. Yeah. He's just sullen. The kids now, they're just all sullen. Yeah, he was just like a Gen X sullen kid. Maybe. Who knows? So they said he was friendly, fun youth who was close to his sister

the this is stacy bottom stacy bottom every one of these names sounds like a stage name it's so weird stacy bottom that's a town full of pornographers yeah they're all like porn porno stage names it's so strange dodge and fucking converse and stacy bottom this poor girl i don't mean to besmirch her well you know what she's like 50 now so she can take it she doesn't give a shit you can take it on the chin stacy uh probably has you i mean who hasn't so he says uh she said quote they were really close really loving. The sister and brother. Also said that this is Amy's best friend, by the way. Amy's best friend.

Quote, they would do anything for each other. So really close, really loving, would do anything for each other. Carol Boucher, who is another one of her close friends, said, quote, they were like best friends. The sister and brother. Another guy, Casey Claxton, said that Stevenson, in addition to them being best friends and really close and loving, was very protective of his sister. And if anybody fucked with his sister, it was game on with him. That a boy. That was it.

So none of this says that he's going to rape and kill this girl, which is the weird part. It just doesn't add up, that part. I don't get that. It's very hard to get from a to b here i can get from he killed got in an argument killed his stepfather his mom got involved maybe he had some deep-seated shit toward her shot her too but then he would go and be like sis i did something really bad you got to help me he wouldn't think like well she's a part of that too because the kids are one unit and then there's the parents.

So the kids seem like they're close because they've moved and their father lives away. And it doesn't seem like they would turn on each other. It's just an odd thing. More so like to turn would be one thing. But to James, he fucking raped her and killed. That's what I'm saying. So far had that. And there's some weird stuff that we're going to get into of why this bothers me, normally i'd be like well i mean fuck it he whatever happened he decided to do it and he

he can go fuck himself but it's it's weird here another friend a uh a sophomore here aren't a classmate of his of sean's tavine talent okay no that's not your tavine talent that's his name stacy bottom and tav Talent. What is going on with this fucking town? That's crazy. Taveen Talent. Talent, Dodge, Bottom, Converse. This is silly. This is nuts.

Said that brother and sister were, quote, really close. And that is what was shocking about this. When he was a freshman, she would take him around school and introduce him so it's everybody's pretty fucking shocked about it it's it's odd now everybody has said all of this everybody except twyla gibson who sounds like a country singer is there a country singer named twyla gibson because there should be the girl in in uh in schitt's creek was named twyla that's the only time i've ever heard the name until right now twyla gibson 100 sounds like a 70s country star remember it's a girl that has picnics in a bramble bush somewhere she used to open for

tammy winette all over the country remember her poor twyla yeah she had a tough going though she she hit the bottle real hard and her third album just nobody really listened to it it was mainly mainly songs about stealing shit from the dollar store nobody could really relate to it and then i've never heard from her again well i believe she is the uh the writer of of that that dixie chick song with the piccolo player and the marching band. I don't know anything about what you're talking about. I think she's the ghost writer of that song. And her best friend, Kasten Couch.

Jesus. Twyla. Twyla lives in Long Beach. She's 15 years old, young Twyla. Now, Twyla knows Sean because he had spent the summer there with his father and so she became friends with sean they're the same age so they hung out and is kind of his girlfriend-ish sort of from what we understand interest yeah when he's in town they they are girlfriend boyfriend got it so she says that the she got an early morning call when he's on

the pay phone and the cop came up this is who he was talking to he's calling twyla twyla gibson at 7 a.m on fucking new year's day wow to ask if if she maybe wanted to come with him to mexico where he was running away want to take a trek down to old mexico with me so hey twy uh 16 and a 15 year old fleeing to mexico in a vehicle with blood on the seat seems really like that's gonna work out well if you could sing that piccolo player in the marching band song the whole ride there that'd be great no shit now during this please do that it sounds please call american soldier i think that's i don't know a goddamn thing about that anything about if it's if a band has the name dixie in it i'm probably not listening to anything now they're just the chicks james oh they changed it because dixie sounds awful they still sound

like fucking uh four woodchucks fighting in a shed? There's only three, but yes. Just screechy over each other and all that shit. I hate that country. Every country guy sounds like this, and every country women sound like these high-pitched fucking over each other. Like, turn the treble down, ladies. Good God.

Sorry. Can't take it. I guess that, turn the treble down, ladies. Good God. Sorry. Can't take it. I guess that's what gets them going, James. It is. That's what gets them fucking. I don't know. Well, you would know. Get you going.

This is what you're into. To be honest, I could give a fuck. I just like the words, to be honest with you. Like, good. It doesn't. Never mind. The words now don't mean fuck but they used to that makes sense so during this conversation with twyla this is very important twyla said that he seemed

dazed and confused wasn't like all there which is kind of goes along with what a psychiatrist will later say and she said this is the quote he said quote i shot my family i think i just shot my family okay he didn't say i think i just shot my shot my family i think i just shot my family and there she was like what the fuck are you talking about and he's like i'm gonna i think i'm gonna go to mexico if you want to go she was like huh and she said i thought he was just joking i didn't know what the hell he was talking about. And then he hung up the phone and then he talked to that cop. And there you go.

So by January 3rd, not only is he charged, he's charged as an adult. Oh, at this. Yes, he's charged as an adult with first degree murder in the shooting deaths here. First degree murder here. And the prosecutor says that he plans to seek the death penalty. Yeah. With the aggravator of the rape, it's certainly possible. It's yeah.

He's been charged as an adult, faces the death penalty if convicted. If so, he would be the youngest person sentenced to death in the history of Washington state, obviously, because he's a fucking 10th grader. obviously because he's a fucking 10th grader um had he been tried and if he's tried and convicted as a juvenile he would have had to have gone free by the age of 21 yeah so uh the adult crime of aggravated first degree murder murder carries a penalty of either death penalty or life imprisonment without the possibility of parole right um so they uh it's pretty fun it's pretty honestly crazy that they're gonna they trying a 16 year old for a death penalty case. It just seems like a lot. I mean, it's a lot like your brain isn't developed enough yet for that. It's a little weird. If you've got all the evidence saying that this kid did this, I could.

This is horrible. Yes, this is a crime. They do it for like kids that like robbed a gas station. And I'm just like, I feel like that's not something that's, you know, like he didn't rape. You have to rape your sister and then kill her. Like, that's that's bad. And even then, that's that's a lot. Yeah.

So the prosecutor said, quote, I don't think the public would tolerate anyone who has committed three aggravated murders being on the streets in 45 months. So he's they're gonna i'll get voted out if that happens so can't be doing that he is uh like i said charged with all that he man that's wild though that he could have been either either death or you can go when you're 21 one or the other you know what i've heard also about washington and their death penalty james is they they compare your crime to the next person that got the death penalty and now in the state of washington probably nobody will ever get the death penalty again because the green river killer got life in prison with no possibility it's well that that would be difficult yeah 100 prostitutes you probably will not have to kill like 150 to beat gary gary's got

who knows how many it's an unbelievable amount yeah so yeah that's well that makes sense that makes a lot of sense that's basically the way of getting rid of the death penalty across this whole country is making that law a thing the standard of your only comparison is the worst person and if they don't have a death penalty then you can't get it we just throw gary ridgeway out there for everybody and we go see are you this bad i don't think so so he pleads not guilty he pleads innocent to all of this and uh in adult court obviously the prosecutor has 30 days whether to decide formally whether to seek the death penalty after that he's three counts of aggravated first degree murder jesus man uh he was he has two attorneys

sean they said he was expressionless and just answered not guilty they call him in the newspaper here during his plea quote stevenson a gun enthusiast an experienced hunter is accused is accused of shooting to death the family members sometime after midnight uh then driving 110 miles to long beach okay so at that point you don't even have to be a hunter or a gun enthusiast. To shoot somebody from three inches away? Probably not. I think anybody could do that. You don't have to be a very good shot for that.

No, you could have had a stroke six months ago and do that. I'm just saying. Excellent point. Who knows? Anybody could have done that. Pre-trial comes. Not a great case to try legally. Not real strong.

Much of the physical evidence is inconclusive. Also, friends of the Butler family keep saying that Butler was, James Butler was erratic, out of work, depressed, alcoholic, drunk all the time, smoking weed, growing fucking marijuana for sale, they said. So, like, there's a lot of people that could be mad at him or he could just snap or it's a lot going on. A state fingerprint examiner said neither rifle bore fingerprints, the 30 caliber in the truck or the 22 by Amy's bed. Couldn't get a usable print off of those. And a bloodstained $100 bill fromvenson's wallet also had an unusable print

on it that's not good now the prosecution oh by the way the blood in his car that's a good evidence because he's in the house takes the blood in the car takes it to there we got the you know the chain there that turns out it's deer blood yeah it's not human blood they find no human blood in his car none who gots on the human blood in his car just deer blood also so gutting deer and then driving your car gross yeah but that's no blood in the car that's not good that's not good at all um they allege that he raped his sister but combings of her pubic hair for samples of another person were also unsuccessful. So they found no other pubic hair in the area to compare it to. Also, the blood from the all the blood here.

They said that the the semen that they found, because it's a blood type thing in 87, it's not DNA. Could they couldn't rule out sean or james butler they said they both fell into the category of possible donors of the sperm imagine of the semen so that's interesting there um now also once they get shawn and he gets a lawyer he recants his confession as well he says that um now the defense is that he came home stumbled upon his the bodies and the one sticking point is stepdad was shot in a chair in the living room and he ends up in the bedroom with the mother okay so they're like the body was moved so someone moved the body so they're saying that he in shock walked in found his dad in the living room or stepdad in the living room found everybody freaked out brought a stepdad in with his mom who's figured that was like the thing

to do that's his new thing and then drove to long beach in shock that's his new that's his new claim doesn't make much sense doesn't make so fucking how none of this makes any sense that's the crazy part he has no friends yes he does he he loves his sister but he killed her like the whole thing is fucking nuts they said uh he says that he doesn't remember what happened now now he says he's a complete blank on the whole thing a juvenile court uh psychiatrist uh psychiatrist said that he could have gone into shock upon finding the bodies and not known what he confessed to. They said in that state, he could be easily led into a confession by people saying, hey, your family's dead. Did you kill him? Type of shit.

You said your family's dead. Were you the one who killed? So you took the rifle and shot your stepdad? I shot my stepdad. You know what I mean? mean like they said it's easily he's like silly putty at that point yeah easily manipulated malleable and you can poke your finger in there the uh defense uh his defense said that it will not use insanity as a defense though just shock which is much different shock and amnesia and And his lawyer says that he does not believe that Sean will get a fair trial in the county,

you know, because the fucking prosecutor is the goddamn... There's no such thing as getting a fair trial for something like this in this county. There isn't. It's all gossip. Everyone has heard about it. The jury pool's contaminated as balls.

The whole thing's a mess so uh the prosecutor it does get transferred to another county by the way change of venue so the prosecutor acknowledges that their questions are they don't know why two guns were used on amy yeah that's weird they can't rifles you can't hold two rifles at the same time. No, you can't. But what is he like? Yeah, this isn't the old West with rifles like they said. That doesn't that doesn't make any sense. And the fact that they believe the 30 caliber was the one used first based on the way everything went in the house. And they're like, there was no need to use the 22.

So he wouldn't have shot her with that and put it down and went let me grab this little one and finish off the job it just doesn't make any sense yeah it's not real it's it's not a someone in their right mind would do that it's really weird taking only one with you as you leave yeah and then leaving the other one behind all those six guns fuck it i don't need that one yeah well i got enough guns so again they said that they were disappointed that the blood found in his truck turned out to be deer blood that was a big one they were like here it is whole case is made i can see that would destroy their day yeah oh by the way they do discover that amy was six weeks pregnant as well what time yes amy was pregnant at the time okay

amy uh was pregnant and we found out that she knew she was pregnant, and the mom knew she was pregnant, but she hadn't announced it to everybody else yet. Don't know who the father was, but she was pregnant. Six months? Six weeks. Oh, okay. Eight weeks. It was within the first couple months. She just found out she was pregnant recently in the last couple weeks.

So, yeah, they took samples from the fetus as well or not even a fetus at that point whatever scientific um so there's also missing evidence now oh um missing evidence within a month or two evidence has been destroyed lost it's a fucking disaster man this is a shit show is what it's a it's a shit show yeah you gotta have this is what happens when you don't have when you have a two-person investigative unit including the coroner is one of the people yeah jesus fuck man the prosecutor says the deputies return control of the house too quickly to surviving relatives the prosecutor comes out and says that we don't have the evidence that we need because these assholes turned it over to them

because it's not their county. They're in another county now. So like that fuck up county sheriff over there. Not my fault. That's these assholes. They turned it over. They destroyed evidence while cleaning up, burned the furniture from which police did. Doug Bullets, the sheriff, who was his first day.

He says, this is amazing. Quote, What was I to do? That's what he said. I didn't know what to is amazing, quote, what was I to do? That's what he said. I didn't know what to do. In the newspaper. What was I to do? I've got 10 deputies. How long was I supposed to sit in that house and look at those beds in that chair?

That's what he said. How long could I keep him protecting the crime scene? Till you don't need the fucking evidence anymore, stupid. That's how long. What are you talking about you know who would have known whoever ran against you that's who wow that is shocking ineptitude what was i supposed to do it was time to give it back i just didn't feel like it anymore you give it back when the prosecutor says you can fucking give it back when the evidence isn't neat are you nuts what if

they needed you to go back and none of that could happen again they couldn't go back and uh no this county was like we'd love to go back and we'd love to see the blood spatter patterns not just in a picture we'd like to see things we'd like to be there none of it exists anymore be nice to have the bullet that was in that bed fuck yeah that'd be great we'd like to have that uh so the uh the alternative rapist theory from the defense is that james butler did it uh did the raping okay the stepfather and then shot himself and moved his body then shot himself and drag no shot himself and then when he came home he found everybody dead and moved his stepfather that's the theory here uh that's all he can think of but james butler had a vasectomy oh so and they found sperm so that's a problem

so either he had a pretty lousy doctor or um it's not him so there there was sperm present though so then they're now they're like so by process of elimination, they just go, well, it's got to be Sean then. By the way, grandpa not even tested for shit in this scenario. Anybody else in the fucking world or anybody else on New Year's Eve where everybody was running around partying? It was either James or Sean. No other fucking questions. Can't have it. Can't have it.

So a psychiatrist hired by Stevenson testifies that later on that Sean had total amnesia on the day of the shootings. Medically, quote, total amnesia. And he also says that he thinks that Sean should be tried as a juvenile based on a lot of factors. So he said that he needs psychiatric attention. He says, quote, he doesn't react to anything and appears to be in a state of shock that's what the the doctor said so um yeah he says he won't plead insanity though that's not going to happen they said that uh uh he is in a severe amnesiac condition about the events and the defense says he was out celebrating found them dead and you know went into shock about the whole thing so they said that he's not he's not insane not at all but he's there you go so anyway the trial comes around now and this is uh this gets dumber and dumber man

this is like you think there's silly shit happening already. Trials moved, like we said, to Clark County because of extensive publicity. And I would just say ineptitude by anyone involved there in any official capacity. The family here, the other thing, too, with James, he's got money problems. They're going to lose the house. There's so much shit on his shoulders which is just it's almost like it's just very odd uh also the defense now introduces some new stuff some uh child protective services reports about the family and uh there was also reports in there of money problems drinking abuse incest has been has but we don't know who on who, incest has been, we don't know who on who, but incest has been accused here. Suicide threats also from James, who's apparently, and especially recently at this point,

had been threatening suicide all the time while he's shit-faced and angry and sad and everything else. So it's a lot, man. It's a lot. The jurors come in there. They're trying to figure out whether it's admissible to have the two child protective services reports about the family. The defense attorney argues that the jury should be familiar with, quote, the tapestry of family distress that led to constant quarrels and threats toward the children.

Because apparently there was accusations of abuse from James toward the children in these CPS reports. Yeah. The CPS worker who took the stand was didn't want to disclose anything. They were going to cite the state law forbidding his disclosure of these confidential reports. I think if you're in a murder trial and everyone's dead, we can fucking. Yeah. The judge said that he would read the reports in private and determine if they could be admitted as evidence. And it turns out that he does not allow them as evidence.

They are. They are gross, which it seems like that's really the only evidence of how the family dynamic works is these reports. Other than that, you're going on. Well, I heard down at the general store that he didn't have no friends and then that James said this and this one said that these are actual an actual report. But that tells you those those words have to be hideous. Whatever's written. That's the thing. It has to be very inflammatory.

written that's the thing it has to be very inflammatory so the defense in its opening statement uh contended that the murder investigation was flawed by a failure to preserve evidence such as bloodstained walls and sheets and a trail of blood from the chair where james butler was shot to the bedroom where the body was dragged um all this type of shit it's all been pushed aside the defense said that the butlers ran a quote commercial sized marijuana growing operation in their garage attic and had experienced family problems as well uh thing is here though state criminalists said that he found quote only six marijuana plants and all of them were pretty much dead okay so he was he was bad at growing weed or we get given up on that batch or whatever that shit um they said that the plants were about three to six inches tall

so the defense theory that they put forth is that uh james butler in a fit of depression or anger or whatever the fuck uh killed his wife raped his stepdaughter and then killed her and then turned the weapon on himself. And then Sean came home, went, oh, my God. And whatever. It's a hell of a story. It's a lot. Everyone was shot from a distance of less than two feet.

So very, very close. Jesus, God. Yeah. Turned the gun on himself. So they said the prosecutor said Butler was shot from a distance of the prosecutor was trying to say that, well, he couldn't have killed himself and all that. And the defense said, I can't see any other way a person can hold this rifle and be more than two feet away and kill yourself. So that the fact that it's close means he killed himself, obviously, or could have killed himself. Now, Butler's son, Roger Butler, he is the adopted son of roger but it's a son he just

not not natural um said that sean had a reputation in his community for being aggressive and he said that he quote does have an extremely sensitive temper that's what he testified. Prosecution says it's not suicide. Pathology experts ruled out suicide in an explanation here. Dr. Larry D. Luman, a pathologist, said, quote, I can't conceive of a scenario where any of these wounds were self-inflicted. OK, Roger Eli, a criminologist in the Washington State Patrol's crime lab, said the same thing and backed him up. He examined the scene of the crime. The family's two level home testified that the weapons that were were found not close enough to the victims to indicate suicide. It's only one.

The one was there, the 22, which she couldn't have shot herself with a 30 caliber and then up a.22 and done it again after she raped herself, probably. So that's a silly thing to even fucking bring up. And threw somebody else's jizz on her. Yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. Not just that, but you can't use a.30-30 from two feet away to shoot yourself. You can't do it. Well, no, no.

You'd have to get a barrel two feet away. Right. They said less than two feet. Less than two feet. All right. That's all they can tell. You'd have to get a barrel two feet away. Right. You'd have to have less than two feet. Less than two feet. All right. That's all they can tell. You'd have to have a very long arm. I assume less than two feet means there's powder burns.

That's how they could tell and how they know it's that close. There's a scene in this court that's so ridiculous where they're passing guns all around the court. Look at that son. Have a look at this. It's serious. The paper says this. A half dozen guns were passed so often between lawyers and witnesses that Superior Court Judge Robert Harris was prompted to tell the participants, quote, when handling the rifles, please don't point them at the jurors. And the prosecutor said, quote, or the prosecution. It's a joke. They're just holding them up running running their eyes down the sites

just hitting it right at juror number three that's all just say what do you think of that chief this is an intimidation so a psychiatrist testifies saying that sean suffers from psychogenic amnesia or loss of memory caused by a traumatic event. Stevenson himself also testifies in this case. Sean gets up there and cries and says he doesn't remember. He remembered nothing for several hours after walking into the living room and finding his stepfather in a chair. That's the last thing he remembers seeing. He saw that Dr.

Rogers Clark, who's a psychiatrist from Portland, said that the condition rendered Stephen renders his alleged confessions unreliable, says someone in that state could be very mushy. Like we said, very silly, buddy. Yeah. Now, Sean, Jesus, Sean on the stand. He broke into tears twice in the three hours of testimony, and he repeatedly answered, I don't know, to the prosecutor's persistent questions about the slayings. And, yeah, that's it.

The psychologist said Clark said that people with such amnesia tend to fill in the blanks out of fear. And often you can help them fill in the blanks very easily. Just speculation. They're very suggestible of that. So through that, they discount it. They call him a classic amnesiac. Classic. Classic amnesia here.

I've heard of like three cases in the history of the world where that, I mean, I imagine there's more than. But the times that it's been used as a defense have all been bullshit yeah there is a trauma traumatic state where that'll happen and if you were gonna have that happen to you when you're a kid it would probably happen the most when you're 16 or whatever the fuck so i mean i could see that you could end up like the kid in the shining just like all shaken with his mouth open. Who the hell knows? Generally, the amnesia doesn't happen on account of you murdered a bunch of fucking people.

Yeah. Well, it's a traumatic event is what they're saying. So on the stand, though, this guy also concedes that committing these horrible murders could cause this state. Okay. The trauma of both either finding the murder the bodies or doing it doing it yeah could fucking do this uh two psychiatrists testified that sean showed signs of psychogenic amnesia and the one said that he was quote 99.44 percent sure very accurate it's a very you know what that is he used to get that measurement

you know what that is what i got a clean 99.4 think about that what is that it's an ivory soap commercial look on an ivory soap that's a that's a that's literally ivory soap that's where he got it 99.44 pure that's what ivory ivory soap says so he's 99.44 sure that he was not faking so he did it with the ivory soap jingle in his fucking head which was out or in the 80s and early 90s yeah i gotta clean israel is ivory remember that shit yeah that's what it was old commercials so uh yeah he said that uh they tend to fill in and the the gaps with memories quote not founded in fact here now uh this goes to the jury and before the the verdict comes out the defense lawyer john day said that he thought the six-man six-woman jury was quote the most perfect jury sean could hope to get they were all the people they wanted they

were open-minded they were you know smart people all that he's saying that's chance he said that he was hampered the defense was hampered by lack of physical items that were evidence that were destroyed because before they could have any experts analyze them so they have to go on with the state said and they're saying that they're pretty fucking incompetent and uh not to mention the fact that the like the semen samples were lost after they were tested shit like that like that's important three years later you could find out the dna and know 100 what's going on and case closed. Forget letting off a kid that may or may not have done it. Even if he didn't do it and you've gotten rid of all this shit, you can't prove who did do it.

Ever. Yeah, ever. This whole thing just goes unsolved forever. That's it. So it's crazy. Either way, you want to prove that he did do it for fuck's sake. One of the two. You want to know what the hell's going on uh the jury ends up coming back after two and a half days of

deliberations on this one positive two and a half days um sean bows his head and they said he's kind of getting teary-eyed and everything he is a you know child and all so the verdict is announced and he is guilty wow of thrice aggravated murder um but they don't find him guilty of rape somehow which is odd so he gets a there's so it's i'm sorry two aggravated murders and it's very weird the way it comes down uh found guilty of one count of aggravated first degree murder and two counts of first degree murder is how it ended up being. So the prosecutor said he was very satisfied with the verdict. And they said that they asked him why the aggravated murder and only the death of his sister and not his parents. And they said they said evidence at the trial showed she had been

raped and he said quote they probably felt the killing of the butlers was a result of rage maybe they had some problem with the scheme so uh basically they were saying that maybe they were rage and then the sister was another thing and that's what they were giving him the aggravated for okay so the family's reaction to this james butler's son james butler jr i guess he's 21 he said he hoped that sean would be sentenced to death i hope my stepbrother is murdered that is a lot he says quote we're happy we're glad to see justice done we just hope the scum gets what's coming to him james you got to calm bud, because we don't know for sure. This is a bit much.

That's a lot. The Lorena Butler, who is the James's mother. She said, I think justice is being done, but it won't bring my son back. That, by the way, is the correct response. And more so, she said she she favors the death penalty for him, though. She doesn't want that. She likes it for him, for. She does want that. She likes it for him. For him, in this case, at least.

So sentencing, prosecution has been wanting the death penalty. We told you from day one, they said they were pressing. Once the actual sentencing hearing comes up, the Skamania County prosecutor, Robert Leak, tells the jury that he was wrong. county prosecutor robert leek tells the jury that he was wrong he gets in front of the jury and he's supposed to say kill this boy and instead he says i was wrong he said i shouldn't have originally thought of sought the death penalty here to begin with and we shouldn't give him the death penalty uh he said that he changed his mind after speaking to two psychologists who said that he either way, whether he remembered or not, he suffered from severe emotional problems. And he said he told the jury in the opening statement of this that he originally sought it because he he said that Stevenson's age and relatively insignificant criminal record did not merit the leniency. And he says, quote, I was wrong.

Yeah. After that, he said, though, severe stress like that makes the meat real gamey we can't eat him afterwards okay we ain't gonna eat him he's not gonna help us catch the squash i mean that'll make the chili gross we can't do it bad chili we don't want that he said that he does think that Sean was sane at the time of the killings. He says, though, he was, quote, was and is severely mentally disturbed. Then he says, this is the prosecutor, quote, I ask you respectfully to consider leniency. The prosecutor said that. Prosecutor.

He's a different one. He's a different guy. uh and the medical he's a different one okay he's a different guy uh the hansen who's this defense attorney eugene hansen and uh he said that the prosecution psychologist testified on stevenson's behalf in the penalty stage as did the fucking prosecutor and they said that the lack of his explosive violence before the slayings showed he was building up stress and tension for a long time. They described the youth as, quote, severely emotionally disturbed and saying he must have been in the influ under the influence of extreme mental disturbance at the time of the crime. The jury only takes 25 minutes to come back. If both sides are asking the same thing, what are you going to who are you to say no?

the same thing what are you gonna who are you to say no uh so the jury decides to send him you sir may fuck off uh life in prison without parole no parole here uh then for the other crimes around whatever gun crimes and all this other shit he also receives two uh he got he has one life without parole and then for the other two murders, he has two concurrent 320-month sentences. And then also life without parole, so who gives a shit? So, yeah. June 1987, they give him some more time. For what? This is already facing a sentence of life in prison without parole.

He's given an additional 26 and a half years for the mother and stepfather that's the extra months he's given on there uh wow they heard all sorts of evidence about premeditation but i i don't see it i know premeditation there's not a lot there that says that premeditation happened this kid went drinking with his friends and then went home to murder his family none of this at two in the morning on new year's eve yeah that's what i mean it's a it's so so strange at 16 years old he doesn't have enough stressor in his life to you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah what does he have the mortgage payments i mean what the hell is he got going on here how do you honestly ring in 87 and then just be like it's my year kill? The only thing I could think is maybe if you knocked up your sister.

Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not saying that that's true. I'm just saying, you know, I'm definitely not accusing her of that or any of that. I'm just saying maybe that's what he thought or maybe that's why he did that. I don't know what his brain was thinking. I don't know if he mixed up his timelines and was like, yeah, I raped her before that happened. I have no clue what the hell the guy's thinking.

They said that Stevenson may have had problems in his relationship with the butlers, but in no way did I hear evidence that would have justified Amy Stevenson's rape and death. That's what the judge said. And another deputy prosecutor told the judge that if

they didn't give him more time on top of the life without parole, it would be like Stevenson is getting, quote, two free murders. So give him the same sentence to run concurrently with the one he has. You go out there just taking murders. You got to pay. You got to pay what they're worth. And free murders. Free murders.

So life without parole, which seems like he he is gonna never see the light of day again never there you go until march of 88 when he and two other inmates escape from jail oh stevenson you're not making a case for yourself here and then he becomes hilarious and a huge asshole it's funny as shit so he's 17 at this point he escapes they flee the the facility sometime between 7 30 and 9 p.m the state department of correction spokesman said we consider them to be very dangerous yes one of them's a triple murderer so yeah and one of those murders was his sister do we also rate uh the three murder the three people are obviously sean and Gary C. Van Winkle, who is also 17. Yeah.

He pleaded no contest to an attempted murder charge and a charge of second degree burglary. The attempted murder is connected to a September 86 break in at a North Seattle home in which a 14 year old boy was stabbed several times in his chest, hands and head, but survived. Jesus. So he tried to kill a child and failed that's what happened there and then escaped and then escaped patrick j rice who's 23 he pleaded guilty to 10 counts of second degree burglary and one count of taking a motor vehicle without owner's permission uh he admitted breaking into five bellevue area churches and stealing the property very nice people here this is a trio of wonderful people so they said they're still investigating it it appears they fled over a 12-foot fence top with razor wire along the north perimeter of the

facility there fucking ridiculous it's a climb they said we notice that we've notified the victims in the butler family and an aunt and uncle in minnesota and the judge robert harris so notify the victims hey watch out notify you know the family if they come to you fucking call us and then tell the judge because he's gonna have to you know set sentence him to more um van winkle while in custody vowed to return to his victim's house in seattle and quote finish the job jesus they escaped jesus christ all three were in pine hall which is a training branch of the shelton correctional facility they were present for 6 p.m criminal prisoner count but gone when the jailers returned again at 9 p.m. That's fucking amazing.

They were in the three hour head start. At least they were in the process of being evaluated for placement and other places. So more security is my my suggestion. We've evaluated from here. Fuck. So what happened about 8 p.m on march 23rd the three men lagged behind a group of prisoners walking between the pine hall minimum security unit and a checkpoint leading to the gym it was dark uh so they climbed an interior fence behind the walkway without being seen

the first fence had no barbed wire on the top and it didn't get them out of the prison. It just got them to the next layer of fencing. So, um, it got them out of the normal path of immediate traffic. So they use the sides of the building for cover. They like literally snuck around with their backs against the buildings and, they worked their way to an area along the fence blocked from the view of the nearest man guard tower.

They knew the spot that was blind. Sean said earlier later on, he'll say that he noticed the blind spot during his stay in the reception center. He noticed it. He said, quote, everybody knew about it.

He said, but we should have been seen going over there because there wasn't a, there was a truck parked down there. We didn't notice it till we were over the first fence. So there was a truck with somebody in it that should have noticed. The truck was parked outside the prison only 50 yards from the inmates who were standing in a narrow strip between the prison's double fences. The truck suddenly drove off, though, without ever seeing them.

Wow. They were like lucky us. He didn't see three inmates jumping fences climb a fence had no idea then they climbed up uh on a roll of razor wire at the foot of the second fence uh finding they didn't need a raincoat they brought along to help stabilize the wire they just climbed up on top of that is what they did and jumped up, put the raincoat on there. They climbed the cyclone fence. They got a shitload of cuts, though, from the razor wire. They're all cut up, all of them.

Palms bleeding and all that sort of shit. And they headed for the Dayton Airport Road looking for their getaway car that they had planned. Sean had a getaway car all ready and scheduled to be there at that time but as sean said quote the guy never showed up no he didn't want to help a fucking lunatic out he said i knew he wasn't coming you can't count on nobody no you can't count on nobody man not your brother to not kill you not your friends to not help you escape from prison. Not your son to not murder you and your husband. So it's a dark, cold night. They said it was looking like it was going to rain.

About 11 o'clock, three hours after they got out, and two hours after headcount, noticed they were missing. They ended up popping out onto a small hill overlooking Highway 101 near a dirt path called California Road. Across the highway, they could see a long shed. So they bolted across the highway, broke into this shed. It's like a trailer thing where they spent the next four days. Oh, God. There was food in there. They found food, potato chips, peanut butter, crackers, things like that, he said.

Easy, yeah. Quote, in the boats stored nearby. So it was like boats near there. Oh, my God. So they do all this. They also found soda and beer, which is fucking hilarious. They got drunk. They also found a gun.

What? But it was broken, but they had time to try to repair it. So they tried to repair the gun, but they couldn't get the hammer to draw back. There was something wrong with it. So, yeah. During the day, they slept or they watched TV in the trailer, because there's a TV in there, getting the latest news on the search. Wow. To find out if they were close.

His hand started to heal up from the razor wire. And, yeah, nobody knew that they're to heal up from the razor wire and uh yeah they nobody knew that he they're like 30 feet from the highway they're right there they're right driving by all the time um yeah they even occasionally went outside walked around a little bit so from watching tv they learned that prison authorities had distributed an outdated photograph of him they gave like the old photograph of him. He doesn't look like that anymore. No, now he's got long hair.

Before, he was clean-shaven and had short hair. Now, he's got long hair and a big mustache. So, he looks nothing, nothing like this. Unfortunately for another young man who was on a Greyhound bus from Olympia to Tacoma, it did look a lot like him. It stopped the bus bus guns drawn so they guns drawn pull this bastard are you piece of shit motherfucker he killed you sister raping mother killing bastard fucking roughed him up brought him in for questioning all this we know it's you you bastard and stevenson saw that on TV, that they caught the guy.

He said, quote, I thought, all right, let them keep this guy. That would have been nice. That's what he said. They can have him. Great. I'm gone. So finally, though, they realized that wasn't him. It was a different guy.

They let him go. And after four days in the trailer, they ran out of food. Yeah. And so Sean said that they thought it was time to go. So they stole a vehicle and money from Lori Bloom and Michael Cook, who lived right nearby. They didn't just break in and steal them. They tied Michael Cook up when, yeah, Lori Bloom told them that their four-month-old baby was sick, so they didn't tie her up. They let her take care of the baby, but they tied up the guy and took their money.

They planned to cut the telephone line, but forgot. Figured it out going down the road. Good thing we cut that telephone line, right? Who cut the telephone line? You cut that, right? It was my job. Whose job? I even got the knife.

You got the knife. How the hell am I supposed to cut the damn... right? It was my job. Whose job? I even got the knife. You got the knife. How the hell am I supposed to cut the damn car? Oh, man, Jesus Christ. Whose job? So they forgot and headed south. Hilarious. I thought you were going to do it.

Once they realized it, they said, quote, I knew the lady was going to call the police. I just wanted to steal another car real quick. Maybe tie up whoever was there and get out of there i'd

seen a few cop cars already i knew they were after me so unfamiliar with this county they're in mason county they stole several cars at gunpoint to switch vehicles that doesn't raise red flags guys you're all right no all over the place multiple carjackings with a gun that doesn't work and they never figured out where they wanted to go though because they didn't know where they were going and they were in too much of a hurry to tie anybody up so people were you know just whatever one of the men reportedly hit that cook guy in the head with a crowbar but otherwise they weren't violent besides that that's the only form of violence in like seven robberies was hitting him with a crowbar and then tying him up and then being nice to the wife um sean said quote if you hurt somebody you're going to get more time if you get caught why hurt anybody when there

isn't any need to hurt anybody even if you're desperate which is logical and reasonable uh the chase ends several hours later after they left the shed and stole several cars. They got caught at a roadblock. They surrendered peacefully with Sean telling them there was a gun under the seat. Right. They popped out and, yeah, they were fine. So, Jesus Christ. So he goes back to jail.

It was only a medium security facility out of consideration for his age they said so they find out two weeks before he talked with a friend who promised to provide the getaway car and uh and a few days after that he approached van winkle and rice with his plan and they said shit we're in and they just secretly discussed it in their cells for two weeks they uh he and the others they climbed over the blind spot like we said all of that shit it's fucking hilarious man friends forgot what day or what time or listen there's a lot of shit that goes on on the outside i forget things like this yeah shit happens man they scheduled me for a shift at that time and you weren't out here for

me to tell you i'm sorry uh says, once they catch him and everything, he says he doesn't regret the escape at all. Wow. He says, quote, we took a chance and the chance paid off. It was worth it for getting out. That's what he said. Did it pay off? I mean...

We took a chance. The chance paid off. It was worth getting out. That's what he said. He was totally worth it. He said it was a lot of fun and, you know, it was better than not escaping, which is great. He also said also said oh this is the police

officer said quote they were as peaceful as can be they didn't have anywhere to go and they knew it that's when they were captured peaceful as can be and also they said they had committed a ton of robbery stole three cars did all this shit and they said quote apparently they weren't out to hurt anybody they all they were out for was a ride. So they were they were impressed with their lack of violence there with officers in pursuit. The car veered off the federal highway onto a state route where it was surrounded just outside the town. It was in Shelton. And that was that. So about the escape. This is great. They said, well, why the fuck did you do it i mean fuck man he said quote they told me i was never gonna get out i did i did so prove them wrong he said they told me i was never gonna get out i did if it was only for four days still you've

got to prove the prosecutor wrong what an asshole he fucking did it man he's a piece of garbage i think he did it yeah uh he's got scars on his palm and all this he said freedom was his goal and the you know his ultimate goal but quote i guess i kind of like the adrenaline rush you've got to live life on the edge he's a scumbag he's a complete piece of shit yeah uh he does he maintains his innocence though of the murder he said he didn't do that he said quote his case is up for appeal and he said quote i'm going to try to get out legally this time if that doesn't work i'll have to try to escape again well he doesn't give a fuck absolutely calling his shot uh i would say they charged him and the other two face charges of first degree

escape and first degree robbery and uh he's like i mean i'm in for life without so it doesn't really matter and then he says that there are two other weak spots in the security in the fence line and on other areas he said though uh he won't tell anybody what they are right now because he said, quote, hopefully sometime someone else will find one. Oh, man. He said during his 16 months in jail, escape has never been far from his thoughts. He said while he was at the county jail, he noticed a loose window grill during a janitorial assignment, but was switched to another job before he had a chance to escape through it. janitorial assignment but was switched to another job before he had a chance to escape through it a second plan failed when a girlfriend inadvertently gave him away in a letter intercepted by prison authorities and uh his plan was to flee the state and head south he said quote

i was going to texas or florida earn some money and get out of the country that was his plan it is fascinating the getaway attempts from these no nobody's getting out anymore you know i mean when they do get out there is a fucking man hunt that is countrywide and it's a huge deal this is like constant you just walk right out last two weeks ago we had the marion guy uh we are crime and sports this week the guy fucking walked right out of jail and they chased him and he escaped it was crazy uh he's in the intensive management unit now good which i guess is extra security they said he can read books and magazines and if he peers out his window just right he can watch the corner of a television screen so that's what he's got going on right

now you can see the leg yeah he can see he can see the temperature and time of the news channel. Is this chairs or 60 minutes? What am I watching here? I can't tell. It's 89. One of those is on. So inmates, they plead the escapes here. You know, they just take a plea.

They're like, whatever. Who gives a shit? He pleads guilty to escape. And what did they give him? An extra couple of whatever the fuck it is it doesn't extra an additional 170 months in prison yeah he gets which he doesn't care what is more than 10 years that's 10 years holy yeah more than that so i mean yeah escape on a murder charge and then with robberies and because they can they plead all that, too. Robbery, fucking kidnapping. Is that 15 years? 170 months?

That's a lot. I mean, 120 is 10 years. Yeah. That's a lot. 50 more months is five years, right? Jesus. Four. That's a lot. That's a lot.

So for him, it doesn't matter, though. No, it doesn't. October 89 is his appeal, though. Uh-huh. And he says that he'd like to win his appeal, and if he does, he's going to spend the rest of his life fishing in Alaska. That's all there is to it. He said before his arrest, he planned to go to college. He wanted to study computers, and he said, quote,

a lot of people consider me a loner. I like to be by myself. Now, in this appeal, Sean first contends that the evidence obtained from his house should have been suppressed because he thinks it's illegally seized. Yeah. Okay. He says now acknowledges officers of Converse and Ford, these brand name motherfuckers. Hey, they're allowed. They were allowed in the house because of the maintains that the emergency created created by the discovery of the crimes.

You know, they could come in. They're supposed to come in, make sure no one's injured or an assault isn't happening in progress. A murder. Once they cleared the house and said it's all just dead people and blood spatter. That's when he says that the investigatory unit should have gotten a warrant to then go in to seize items and do all that. The court says, quote, he is wrong. And that's all you're allowed to go in there. It's once you find things that now it's you find bodies.

That's fucking probable cause. Yeah. Plus, it wasn't his house. Also, it was the people's house where they were dead already. There's also property issues. It's so it all goes away. He also, now the evidence, that Sean contends that the certain items of evidence were destroyed or improperly preserved and that others were never collected at all. He asserts that three kinds of potentially exculpatory evidence were not available to him.

One, the state did not keep careful records of body temperatures or stomach contents, which could have demonstrated the sequence in which the victims were killed. All that's important shit. The state did not take hair samples from James Butler, nor did it preserve blood samples taken from him or semen samples taken from Amy Butler as to permit cross matching in a manner other than just a B. Oh, typing system, which is how they did this whole thing. And the state did not preserve the chair in which Butler was sitting when he was shot, blood spatter patterns, possible fingerprints, footprints, which could have demonstrated the angle of fire, approximate range in which the firing occurred. He said, we are mindful of the fragile nature of this potential evidence and agree that the state should have expanded greater effort to preserve it. That's the appeals court saying this. However, we do not believe that the unavailability of this evidence violated Stevenson's due process right to fair trial.

good faith loss of evidence the court must weigh the burden imposed on the defendant improving the exculpatory value of the lost evidence against the burden imposed on the prosecution of preserving all potentially material evidence so basically what the fuck does that mean that means that uh who cares is what that means there was other shit and it doesn't matter yeah because it says that in doing so uh first must consider whether the defendant has established a reasonable possibility that the missing evidence would have affected the defendant's ability to present a defense. The burden of establishing that reasonable possibility rests with the defendant. Peculiar circumstance of each case lost or destroyed evidence, which does not rise to the level of establishing a reasonable possibility that it will exculpate exculpate a defendant will be deemed insufficiently material to constitute a due process violation. So there you go. The probable weapons.

What are we talking about here? They talk about their blood was found on the defendant's shoes. They did find blood on the shoes, but it's type B, which is his blood type. So he could have blood on his own shoes. Who knows? Money, the blood on the money that they couldn't get the fingerprint off was type AB, which I believe was his mom's blood type. And James Butler had B blood. Margaret Butler had AB blood. And the defendant here has type a blood but they said that either he or james could have been the semen people

based on lack of elimination so i don't know i needed like a seriologist to tell me how that shit works i don't know and um finally there is testimony from one person that said that Sean had made a threat against the life of his mother, which there's also 20 people who said he was really nice to his mom. So that's weird. They said that there was a, the review of everything shows there was no reasonable possibility that any of this lost evidence would have been exculpatory. uh therefore we need not reach the second consideration so

fuck off is what they said um he also says that the juvenile court should have taken this case not the adult court there's eight factors here that makes he say make it a juvenile case one the defendant's lack of a record of prior convictions number two defendant's sophistication and attitude number three his prospects for rehabilitation in the juvenile system uh also the other five factors that they go on he's not citing these he's only citing the three uh our seriousness of the alleged offense and whether the protection of the community necessitates prosecution of the case under the adult system, degree of premeditation, willfulness, violence and aggression. Number.

The next one is whether the alleged offense was against persons or property. Greater weight being given to the offenses against persons, especially if injury resulted. I would say so for the prosecutive merit of the complaint and five the desirability of trial and disposition of the entire entire offense in one court when the defendants associates are adults so um the he maintains the first three factors indicated positive aspects of his character and did not support being sent to adult court therefore he argues that the juvenile court was required to retain jurisdiction and they say no it's not was not at all they found that his prospectus for reasonable rehabilitation within the amount of time available in the juvenile

system were highly speculative which yeah if you're willing to kill your mom your stepdad and rape and kill your sister i don't know if three years or four years is going to be enough to solve that. That seems like a real problem. Fucking 16. At 16 years old, he overtook three adults and had his – raped his sister. That seems like a problem. That's a lot. Yeah.

That kid's dangerous. They noted at least one of the psychologists who had examined Stevenson question, whether he was treatable at all. He said he might be a lost cause. He considered the serious and violent nature of the crimes and indications of willfulness and premeditation and concluded that, uh, they needed to send him to adult court for the safety of the community and, uh, of everybody. So, uh, his, it ends up being upheld the uh the appeal you sir may keep fucking off there go on uh they said the errors weren't that big of a deal now there's another thing here march 2017 laws have changed of when you can sentence 16 year olds to life without the possibility of parole um

he was 16 years old but there's since then washington passed a bill that says courts can't sentence juveniles to life without parole even if they're found guilty of first degree murder and because his killings happened before the bill was passed they had to resentence him but he's still eligible for the for the life without parole because now he's an adult because it happened before he was well his shit happened before the law was passed okay so he's grandfathered in and they give him uh you sir may fuck off and he has quite the quite the fuck off here this is what the judge said here. Oh, boy. Quote, Mr. Stevenson, your actions back on New Year's Eve, New Year's Day 1987, rocked the community. The brutal and heinous, cold-blooded and calculated execution of your three family members shattered the innocence of a whole community.

When you made the conscious decision to shoot and kill your mother and stepfather, and when you made the conscious decision to shoot and kill and then rape your sister this is the first time it comes out that the rape was post-mortem i saved it till now because it didn't come out until the very fucking end that is staggering that's way worse somehow uh i don't know. I guess it's not, but it just makes it. I don't even know how to. You know what? We're parsing horrible things. That's just horrible. So rape your sister. You showed this community what the face of pure evil looks like.

The savage murder and rape of your sister are not the facts of an unfortunate offender exhibiting transient immaturity. Those are the acts of an irre offender exhibiting transient immaturity those are the acts of an irreparably corrupt young man you sir may fuck off life without parole again eat all the dicks hang on to this for us hang on to that here there is a there was i think it's sold now but there was a picture on amazon that i found can Canadian Amazon. What did he do? Look at him. Press photo. It was just a picture of him, like a press photo that you could buy of him looking back in court at a photographer here.

Did he autograph that? What is that? No, that's the newspaper. It's from the newspaper. That picture, I have it. I'll post that as one of the pictures in social media from the newspaper. I have it in black and white and it says the yeah it's got the like the the image sizes and then it says stevenson circled and all that kind of shit so that though um that was available there

which is really weird honestly that was like you could buy that shit but that everybody is ska mania washington and one fucking hell of a crazy ass story what a tale that's a wild i couldn't believe that shit it feels like we would have heard of that before that case for some reason there was a documentary called uh why did johnny kill on hbo when i was a kid i don't know what... It could have been something else. I don't know. But that's what I watched, and it was about kids that kill their whole fucking family. I was maybe 10 when I watched that. I don't know why they didn't

talk about this. This is fucking crazy. This is wild. I don't get... I've seen a lot of those where there's people who kill their whole family, especially teenage boys who do it, but this one's just weirder than those for some reason it's different there's a sexual element sexual aspect to it it just feels weird and the fact that unwaveringly through this whole thing every those two guys at that that he was hanging out with said

we all heard those gunshots together man and we heard him and that was like there's no way right that's a so somebody's mistaken yeah timelines are off somebody's lying somebody's this somebody's that who knows maybe fucking grandpa killed the whole family you know what james this is the only time in my life where i'm just thinking i wish there was jizz i wish we had it yeah where's that jizz maybe jizz maybe grandpa kaiser sosade the whole situation though maybe after that like they cleared everybody out next thing you know he was sitting there with like a pipe in his mouth and a smoking jacket and going got rid of them all now and he's sitting there fucking just watching 60 minutes in his glory because he's old so yeah anyway that is scotmania washington hope you enjoyed that show if you did a couple of ways

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