Small Town Murder - #247 - A Halloween Haunted House Killing - Dimmitt, Texas

Episode Date: October 28, 2021

This week, in Dimmitt, Texas, rumors spread throughout the area about a haunted house, on the outskirts of town, where witches live, and devil worshippers have ceremonies & sacrifices. This, of course, makes every teenager around want nothing more than to go, and check out what's happening there, and maybe catch a glimpse of a ghost, or at the very least, something supernatural. On Halloween night, a particular group of kids drives out to the home, and end up with much more than they bargained for. But who really committed the murder? There are more theories than anyone can count, and a couple of self proclaimed witches are left with the blame! Along the way, we find out that quilts take a long time to make, that you can't just fire guns off, at will , and that maybe you shouldn't drive out to the allegedly haunted house on Halloween night!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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happening is way more than just a little spooky. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello and welcome to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petrogallo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy wissman thank you folks very much for joining us on our it's a special halloween edition of small town murder i went deep and found some halloween stuff to deal with and uh it's good good shit i tried you have to really dig because there's only there's a few very famous halloween stories that have been done by every show on the face of the earth. So we had to dig deeper than that and go a layer under it. And I found the good stuff. So it's going to be a crazy episode, obviously.

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Because we're assholes. What? Well, we're not scumbags. That's how it works there. That sounds good. Welcome aboard. We're going to have a crazy Halloween-y, creepy, scary, haunted house kind of a time. Small town of horrors.

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Great. Let's go on a trip. I would love that for sure. We are going to Dimit, Texas. Oh, boy. Which, if you look at it quick, it looks like, damn it, Texas. Because it's D-I-M-M-I-T-T so yeah quickly at a glance you're just like damn it texas it's gonna happen a lot this where is it how far into texas is it this is the panhandle baby this is southwest of amarillo in the panhandle still texas damn it damn it shit i thought i was in

new mexico already i thought i thought I got through it all. Or old Mexico or some shit. Out of here. Northwestern Texas, obviously. It's about an hour away from Amarillo. It's about four and a half hours to Albuquerque, to the west if you go. And it's about four hours over to Dean, Texas, which is our last Texas episode. A horse of a different feather.

We were sick as a horse over that different feather where you're we were just we were sick as a horse over that one it was a tough one bad bad similes and and comparisons to horses that's right episode 212 this is in castro county area code 806 uh town motto very simple It's just, yee-haw! Just a long sign. It's a very long one. So many E's. That's it. And a lot of A's and W's, too.

I think I nailed all of them, though. I think I got it right. History of this town. It's located on the old Ozark Trail, which is a road system built to get from St. Louis to El Paso. There's that. That's why it was here. Buffalo hunters arrived around 1876. And by the early 1880s, took them about five, six years, eliminated every last one of the fucking buffalo in this area. Killed them all.

Used to shoot them from the trains. And then it's a mess now a guy named william andrew tate who is known as uncle buck which is great so i that just i'm only including this because his name is uncle buck he established a lumber and wagon yard and later opened a hotel and then another hotel and uh they he waged an unceasing war against cattle rustlers damn it yeah god damn these cattle rustlers um in 1892 they built a wooden frame courthouse and by 1906 i'm gonna give you one guess what happened to it it burned down burn to the goddamn ground when lightning struck it and destroyed it how about that it survived your fucking street

lights of fire and and the gods struck it took it down nope can't have that so they built a big you know brick one in the place of it there in 1942 oh my god i'm sorry ce mclean opened the first state bank of dammit, which I think is hilarious. I love that. So it's dim it, obviously. In 1942, a meteorite was discovered in Castro County. Really? And it was named Dimit.

It was named the Dimit Meteor. It's one of 311 official meteorites from Texas. It's real. That have been caught. Yeah, it's over 400 pounds, this thing. That's huge. And it's not like the, it's over 400 pounds, this fucking thing. That's huge. And it's not like the Joe Dirt space pucky? No, no. This is like a giant, almost 500-pound meteorite.

Wow. Yeah, it's pretty interesting here. There's a lot of lettuce that grows here, onions, tomatoes, carrots. They grow that. They're all around. Cattle and sheep are obviously big in this area. If you ever drive through there you can smell that yeah for a fact uh reviews of this town these are these are pretty funny because

there's only a few none of them are five star no but none of them like really hate the place either they're just kind of being polite here's three stars kind of small town polite here three stars dim it is a small town with for most part, genuine people and easily accessible amenities. By the way, all proper grammar and punctuation in that sentence. This is the most impressive review I've ever read right away. The roads are currently under construction, which makes getting around town difficult. And there's only one small grocery store. But a person could do much worse in regards to a town in West Texas.

Good point. West Texas is brutal. That sounds like three stars. That was a good review. I trust their Yelp reviews. I want to know where they eat. Here's two stars. Not so happy with the place here. Living in Dimmitt for 18 years, the town is very small.

There is construction because they are fixing the roads the only way to turn down a certain street is to go all the way around yeah yeah that's uh thing about construction on roads though is um it doesn't last it's temporary right especially in a place like dimmit that doesn't exactly have the largest you know road system going on the face of the earth don't worry they'll run out of ones to improve yeah they'll they'll they'll get over it you'll be able to do it here's two stars here and uh this is very simple they have one complaint there are little to none bars around this area and nightlife is uncommon

somebody's missing pussy i can't get laid i fucking gotta get drunk in my trailer and i don't like it I can't get laid. I fucking got to get drunk in my trailer and I don't like it. I'm not having this year. I've been resorting to drinking and driving for music and drinking. I mean, Jesus. Otherwise, it's just boring. I don't want to be sitting there. You know, maybe I could drive around and find somebody to talk to.

You know what I'm saying? Three stars here. You can find most things you need in town, but most of the time we have to drive to a bigger town to get more important stuff. Yeah. I don drugs is that drugs more important stuff i don't have that i don't know yeah maybe drugs of some kind either whether illicit or prescription or medically necessary or not yeah whether medically necessary or recreational, it doesn't matter. So here's two stars. The job opportunities are scarce in this area. Most jobs, I love this sentence, by the way.

Most jobs are usually taken or need to have certain qualification to get the job. So there's either people who already have the job or you need to be qualified for that job. And that's not fair. Which is, he didn't necessarily say it's not fair. He just said that's the way it is, I think. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like he's on the outside looking in here. But I think he just described how the job market works generally.

Welcome to America, Sven. Yeah, probably most places you still have to be qualified. Probably true. Even if you have a good social safety net, even in Sweden or something, they don't just let anybody do anything. What do you want, air traffic controller? Right. Well, it says here that you're mostly blind in one eye and have a nervous condition, and you require many trips to the bathroom due to your Crohn's disease. I think this is a perfect job for you.

No, that's not what happens. Yeah. There's jobs for that. They'll have this paperwork for your 401k. See? Yeah, I don't think that happens. So people in this town, population, 4,005 people live here. Tiny.

Tiny. And it's been the same for 50, 60 years. They've had pretty much the same population. It's moved like 100, 200 either way. It's down 9% since 2000, so it's kind of dwindled the row. Yeah, I'm surprised it hasn't, honestly. Female population, male,

is really right on the money average. A couple more females than males. Median age is low here. It's 33.4, which is normally almost 38, and most of that is because there's so many children here this town the zero age zero to nine year old population that demographic is just like double the normal here really so there's a ton of kids here yeah just a ton of kids uh married population it's about 47 so pretty close to normal. More divorces than normal, but the widowed rate is right on the money. So I guess that's good.

People aren't killing their spouses more than normal. Single with no children, 12.2%. That's over the average. So if there was a place to go out and meet people, which there isn't, you could do it. But you're going to have to go somewhere else. That's why you just drink and drive around, as discussed earlier what people are doing i just pick up a front ain't nothing to hit get in open road uh the nut don't drink and drive by the way i don't want anybody blaming that on us but still you never know and they blamed fucking heavy metal for

murder so i mean good point they talked about drinking and driving so it's their fault yeah it could happen uh race of this town 24.9 percent white so pretty low for our show here and for texas yeah 0.9 percent black so no black people 1.8 percent asian yeah none of that uh 72.1 percent hispanic they are figuring it out here yeah which is obviously these are they're mexican definitely these this isn't there's not a lot of cubans walking around probably or just based on location i'm just going to say here geographically it's yeah yeah uh 68.5 percent of the people here are religious. Because when you mix West Texas Baptists with Mexican Catholics, you get some serious religion going on here. And shitloads of kids, James.

That's well over the average. And a lot of kids, exactly. 25.5% of the people here are Baptist. And I would say they're the Catholics of the whatever the fuck. But 29.6% are Catholic. How about that? That's it though that's there's nothing else not a presbyterian not a lutheran to be found 0.0 percent jewish muslim there's no the mormons working out uh none 0.0 no i feel like they'll get run off with shotguns in this town. Y'all get off my property.

Clack, clack. Okay, then. Got a rosary for you. Jesus says hello. Bye. See you later. And they'd walk away probably, I would assume. Politically in this town, very conservative area here.

22% voted Democrat in the last election. 77% Republican. 0.7% Independent. So not a lot of independent going on now. Unemployment rate is low here. It's about four percent, which is low. But also the median household income is low as well. Median household income here is about forty thousand dollars a year, which is well under the fifty seven thousand normally.

Farming community stuff. And that's the thing here the agricultural like the the way they classify jobs agriculture forestry fishing and hunting are under the same thing normally that's 1.3 percent of the jobs in the nation here it is 21.2 percent of the jobs it is everything to this that's what's here yeah that's what's here that Yeah, that's what's here. That's it. About 25% of the people here make $20,000 to $30,000 a year. That's not great. So these people, there's a lot of hardworking people that aren't making a lot of money. Right.

This is what that tells me. People working out. Some of the hardest shit on the planet. Outside in the West Texas sun. Right. Bringing home $24,000 a year for their family. Forget the actual job they're doing. Mix that with the climate and

the place they're at forget it this is the job could be the job could be read a book and it would be fucking by friday you'd be like i can't i gotta sit i'm just dying here man i gotta sit in a cold tub and it goes five o'clock yet it is hot out here boy let me tell you something because it's hot it's just hot hurry up Hurry up and paint this fence, Hunk Finn. Yeah. There's no trees there either. Like this area. Oh, my God.

It's so desolate. It is barren. It looks like the moon up there. So, I mean, there's not a lot going on. And there's not low-lying shit. You can see fucking armadillos, James. It's crazy. Just walking.

Yeah. It's really, really. You can, too. That's sad. You can see armadillos. It's very. We saw them. Yeah. That's an armadillos james it's just walking yeah yeah it's really really you can too that's sad you can see armadillos it's very we saw them yeah that's an armadillo where we must have crossed the border into texas it's this international signal of texas cost cost of living in this town to go with the low wage uh normally 100 would be average. Here, it's about 71. That's helpful. That's the rate.

Median home cost, the home costs are the way lowest. They're 32 out of 100. Median home cost, yeah. These are not. These are not homes. They're homes, but they look like, yeah, people, yeah. It's $115,900 is the median home cost here wow so it is definitely affordable unbelievable yeah that's good that's helpful anyway because we've had the town like

last week where the income was low in the houses were all 500 000 like how the fuck do you live here well here if we've convinced you damn it damn it texas if we've convinced you we have for you the dimmit texas real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about 654 bucks, which is like half the national average. That's so cheap. It's not bad. I found a three-bedroom, one-bath. It is 1,248 square feet. It's not wonderful. Not a lot of yard.

The yard is pretty brown. How many bedrooms? Three-bedroom, one-bath, which is interesting arrangement there. If you have some kids, good luck in the morning. Everybody getting ready. It's decent though. though you could live there it's livable nice at 93 000 dollars so there yeah under 100k you know 2021 that's great that's yeah you can live there so good that's good this one here this is a decent little value uh four bedroom three bath 2647

square feet so big house uh you know it's got a like a three car garage it's nice uh half acre it sits onto so the neighbors aren't on top of you like the other one needs a little update but not like it's not from 1982 it needs like it's got a couple rooms of ugly wallpaper there's some carpet you'd want to tear up but you could move in and be fine there while you do this shit. It doesn't need a redo. $174,900 for that. For half an acre of Texas. And 2,700 square feet. That's not bad. Yeah.

And then I found, this is outside of town some, a couple miles, because where our story takes place is outside of town. This is over near Nazareth, which is just down the road. Four bedroom bedroom three bath 3340 square feet it's a big house it's nice too 10 acres of flatness yeah um very nice inside though i mean it's all it's updated and the thing it's with you know attention to detail okay done very well except it has those goddamn sliding barn doors that don't give you any privacy. Stop it, Rebecca.

Stop putting those in your fucking house. At least it's in an appropriate place in West Texas where there should be barn doors, not in Minneapolis. So $1,400,000 for that, though. Jesus Christ. It's a little pricey. 10 acres, though, James. 10 acres. It's a lot of land. And I assume that land is good for whatever goes on there.

Farming, grazing. I don't know. Shit like that. And mating armadillos. I want to be an armadillo mater. That's what I'm going to do. Actually, they don't mate. You have to jerk it off and then impregnate it.

So I'm going to be an armadillo. Called a dillo whacker. That's what I'm going to be. I'm going to be a dillo whacker. Stay calm. I wonder if that exists. Is there a breed there has to be i'm sure there is just so people could have them like yeah in their house sitting on top of their tvs like in those old time yeah big giant square ones you don't just like hit that and then stuff it right you've got a you don't hit it with their

car and then be like well we got an end table decoration you gotta make those right there's some taxidermy involved there i mean i assume some lacquer at least put on there something it's right painted yes i don't know what it is some kind of epoxy is involved i'm not sure how it works but dip it in a clear coat and call it a day there we go here you Seals in all the rotten smell. Except for the very tip of the tail where I had my fingers. So you're going to have to watch out for that. It's his Achilles heel. Clear coated his asshole sealed so the smell don't leak out.

Shut tight. Let me tell you something, boy. Like a barn door shut. Like a barn door in a nice house. Like a barn door shut a little loose a little loose but it'll keep it in there don't you worry don't trust it but it looks good things to do in this town is the quilting festival oh yes they have a very large quilting festival here the uh oh god ogalala quilters society festival well i'll tell you

what it is here well it's a it's a three-day event the quilt festival this is from the website everything that takes so much time the excitement here yeah the quilt festival is a three-day event filled with competition oh competitive quilting that's a wow fuck you edna just you know you call that a stitch you fucking orange so weird your hook looks like shit yeah totally banquets and quilting classes in recent years instructors from texas arizona and arkansas have attended the festival to teach quilting classes arkansas is the heart of the quilt belt we all know that everyone knows that any decent quilt comes from arkansas quilt worth its salt is from arkansas

it's supported by a grant from the texas commission of the arts so i guess so the chairman of the quilt show also credits the community of dimmit for its support real because that's where it is quote if dimmit didn't support the festival and show on such a large scale it would be different difficult for the ogallala society to accomplish its goals more than 180 quilts were entered in 19 different categories in April 2004. I don't know why they pulled that. I want to know the category so bad, James. How do you get to 19?

Most square at some point? What do you do? The Quilters Society here, they claim that there are more than 19 million quilters in the United States, which seems high that seems like a high amount um they say it spends the average quilter spends about 600 bucks a year on cotton so they're very much the cotton industry also supports this obviously and uh yeah they like cotton she says quote we use cotton batting because it sticks it grips yeah it does that's the shit that's in between the the the the squares right that's the batting i i have no fucking idea i guess i don't know the i think

it's maybe the stitch i don't know what's in a quilt i don't i've never bought a quilt yeah but you gotta put that shit in the middle in between them so that it's like yeah puffy like insulation yeah yeah yeah it's the installation of the blanket okay it's like puffy. Like insulation. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the insulation of the blanket. It's that pink panther shit. That's behind the drywall. Yeah. Between the drywall and the outer. I get it.

That's it. They do say that quilts tell our history. They are great historical documents. If someone gives you a quilt, it's because they love you. Okay. So there's that they love you. Okay. So there's that. You can do that. Three days of people quilting.

Sounds exciting. Either that or, and this is in there, one of their things to do. You can go an hour away to Amarillo, according to the website that tells you what to do, and visit the giant Texan guy. There's that big giant concrete guy with the hat you know the texan guy in amarillo you drive by he's 47 feet tall just a big cowboy i guess i i guess it makes sense i don't know what it is i didn't know there yeah you drive by if you go on the 40 you drive by it is it the guy that like does that shit with the thumb no that's in vegas that's in vegas but he looks like that guy he looks like the vegas guy except he's made of stone he's 47 feet tall and and it says that you should spend about an hour

there staring at a fucking giant guy i don't know an hour i don't know how long what you need that but whatever time do you have texas god damn crime rate in this town uh property crime little bit high about 10 high but nothing to write home about pretty close to average within within you know margin of error. Violent crime, though. Murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average. Okay.

A little under half, actually. So pretty safe. Safe little town. Yeah. Doing okay when it comes to that. So that said, let us go back to Halloween night. What year? 1977. Oh. Which feels more Halloween-eeny for some reason doesn't it doesn't it that's when horror movies thrived this is like what 78 i think is

when halloween came out or 79 halloween came out so you know what i mean this is the time you picture kids with ball cuts you know with bad costumes walking around right in the dark yeah yeah walking around by themselves without their parents hovering over them and shit like that like it's it's interesting and this murder case by the way everybody i this was a painstaking thing to to pick out a halloween case we come to the holidays i like to have like a thanksgiving themed one like to have a christmas themed one makes it feel a little better makes it feel fun you know so the halloween one you go back and you look for halloween murders and i found i was looking at all these different halloween murders and a lot of them obviously have been covered a lot you know what i mean there's one

in wisconsin that has just been covered so much because it was the guy was almost like the original michael myers that guy so been covered a lot and it's you know kind of whatever and it's a little girl and didn't really want to do that oh that's a lot it's a lot and it was a lot there then i found i found a murder case on halloween night where a woman named elvira was murdered i swear on my fucking life a A woman named Elvira was murdered on Halloween night. I jumped from the couch. This is great! A terrible response to a murder,

of course, but I jumped up and looked at Sarah and went, a woman named Elvira was murdered on Halloween! And she was like, okay, great.

And then I looked into it further and it wasn't really kind of up our alley. It was more like her nephew was in a gang and somebody shot through the door looking for the nephew and shot her while she was reading a book. So I'm like, well, that's not spooky and creepy and scary. That's not Halloween. So then I found this, which is really never talked about, never been on a show before.

It's a really kind of a deep cut and a wild story. Let us go back October 31st, 1977. Halloween night. And we'll kind of catch you up to Halloween night and go up to there. We'll get with some people here. First, Loy Stone. L-O-Y? L-O-Y.

Loy is his name. He's 48 years old. Loy. Loy was adopted right after he was born. So he's an adopted guy. His mom, from what I found in the records, seems like his mom died either during or shortly after childbirth. Brutal. And yeah, his dad was listed.

But back then, some single guy in 1929 wasn't going to raise kids. If his wife died, he'd be like, well, give the kids away. You know, like, I don't know. Send them with somebody who can take care of them i gotta be out on the farm i you know we got i'm a rancher of them but listen i don't know how to do it i'm around if they if they were cows now i could i could raise them but i don't know how to raise human children you're hungry go out in the yard like the cows i I don't know. What's wrong with you? Graze. The Lord gave you the land to graze. What the hell? Jesus.

Look how big the cows are. They grow huge. The milkweed grew in. James eats salad out of the fucking yard. What's wrong with you? I could make do. That's the thing. I'll make do.

I'll pick through it and I'll make a salad. Take some olive oil out in the yard just sprinkle it yeah i make guinea from like rural barbarian stock like i can i'll figure it out i really will i'll make a salad coming in nice daddy that's right give me some balsamic vinegar and i'll fucking make it work i'm telling you right now i swear to god i'll pick the rocks out of it i'll make it work i'll eat that meteor and i'll make it delicious i'll parmesan that fucking meteor that's what a lot of that food is artichokes are here because italian people ate them and brought them the only reason they were here that because look at what they are who would think to eat that who would see that growing

and go i bet you could eat that. No, I don't want to go, shit, don't step on it. It looks pointy. Looks like something you throw at somebody in a fight. My grandmother would be like, I would put some bread crumb and we make it good. Come on, we're picking make good. I'll egg wash it. It'll be all right.

It's going to be delicious. So we'll make it work. Thanks, fuck, for you. We gave you artichokes. So the mom's dead from what I saw there. He's named after his adopted dad, who is Loy Spot Lane. They call him Stone. I'm sorry.

Loy Spot Stone. So they call him Spot Stone is what his name is. And his son is Loy Stone stone and he's loy stone his mom's name is ruby stone and we'll talk about her because she's still alive when we catch up with our story and living on the property and is a kind of a big part of the story so it's interesting here ruby stone that's fascinating ruby stone married into a stone family named right like a stone that's that's fascinating isn't it wild the ruby stone i believe her maiden name was lust which is amazing i believe it was ruby lust which is my kind of gal that is like uh yeah that back then that's already you got to be

in like burlesque or something if your name is ruby lust she wears a corset on her day off that's too much like if she was in the movies they'd make her like calm it down a little bit they'd be like you gotta tone that down it's a little too sexy that's awesome what a name so um yeah now loy is a big six foot three 280 pound burly bearded rancher that's a texan right guy big old texan drives a giant boss hog level buick like a 70s as big as a boat license plate wicca one wicca what wicca really they're wiccans these people yeah you know he's a fucking warlock, you don't think a 280-pound burly West Texas bearded Buick driving fucking guy would be a Wiccan, him and his wife? Well, you'd be fucking wrong, Jimmy. I'm telling you.

I don't picture that guy going out of his way to adopt children. What a sweetheart. How weird is this? Oh, he's the adopted one. He's the one who is adopted, Loy. That's the son? This is the son. That's so he's the adopted one he's the one who is adopted loy that's the son this is the son that's what he's into not spot this is loy jr here loy stone jr yeah when we catch up with him in the 70s yeah big giant burly texan driving the boss hog buick with wicca w-i-c-c-a one on his license plate uh he is married to a woman named louise and uh she's 47 year younger than him and they've been married for 29 years they have had a wonderful marriage from all

accounts they get along terrific they do things together they love each other everything's fine with the marriage uh from what i got from a newspaper article. They are, quote, both from respected panhandle families, end quote. That doesn't go together. No, but that says, but that's from a newspaper. I'm quoting that. Just going to give a quote from the Times. That is sweet and sour right there.

It's interesting. Maybe it does go together. I mean, well, I mean, among the other panhandlers they're got to respect somebody right he's the best duct taper in town that's what i mean among the who's there so uh they have two daughters together over the time denise and sharon and they grow up just fine and everybody does well and you know everything's fine. He describes himself, Loy, as an oil field brat. So his parents have 300 acres that he lived on.

300 acres of West Texas land is a big deal. You know what I mean? Post Dust Bowl. That's an impressive thing. That was in 1943. His family moved into this area. And it was grain and cotton farms so 300 acres is a good amount the hardest thing to get out of the earth too oh god yeah those are

very difficult work that's you need machines to make that happen it's yeah that's that's tough stuff there and in the especially when you add in again the, the West Texas sun and humidity and heat and just searing. Even operating the machine sucks. Oh, God. It's going to get hot after a minute. And there's more heat coming off of everything. It's fucking horrible. So Louise grew up in the area in Castro County as well.

Attended high school in Dimit there. She also came from an agricultural family. They both went to the local Baptist church and all that sort of thing both of them were kind of uh outside the box thinkers for the time i mean back then in the 40s in west texas you just you were just went to church and then you did your job and that was it there was no like you know nobody was fucking questioning a lot of things and they were like kind of social outsiders because they were they were the ones going like that kind of sounds kind of silly when they go to church like i don't know if i believe all of this shit and everybody seems a little too into this and yeah you know

they were like fucking smiles yeah they were the comedians of the group like are we really going along just doing this this seems weird right and a whale ate him all right yeah okay i don't know you lost me there yeah so they met in high school in school knew each other families knew each other he ends up enlisting in the navy at the time because uh this was post-world war ii so because he would have been 18 and 47 so that's right after the war joining the army was still considered like a like an adventure back then you know what i mean like so yeah he joins the navy and uh then they get married after he's done serving his time in the navy they both attend college as well oh yeah they're they're educated very intelligent smart people

they both attend west texas state university which is, if you're a wrestling fan, that's where a ton of crazy wrestlers all played football at West Texas State. Really? Oh, my God. Famous for it. Tons of them. Bruiser Brody. Oh, really? There's about a good dozen guys who were major wrestling stars from the 70s and 80s who played on the West Texas football team in the early 60s.

It was a big deal there. It's now West Texas A&M. And she earned a B.S. in history, and he got a B.S. in biology and an M.A. in counseling. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy.

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who, you know, they just got an income from it. There you go. Smart on them if they don't want't into it. So they leased their land to neighboring farmers who, you know, they just got an income from it. There you go. Smart on them if they don't want to do it. Loy taught high school for a little bit, a little while. He was kind of feeling around, looking for himself, trying to find himself. And farming wasn't where he wanted to be. Taught high school for a little bit.

he wanted to be taught high school for a little bit and then he also maintained the whole time a small counseling practice as well because he's got the you know the degree in counseling so he's uh you know they're trying to figure this all out but still these aren't like normal west texas what an interesting man yeah he's a very interesting guy and he gets way they both get way more interesting in a minute here. Louise worked as a commercial and industrial photographer, which is pretty interesting. Again, not the norm. And she also sold plastic irrigation pipe repair gear to cotton farmers. Oh, smart move.

Yeah. Which is a very lucrative business i would assume when there's just cutters and glue and pipe yeah it's genius i can't imagine how many hundreds of miles of underground of and above ground plastic piping for irrigation there is there and that shit is a nightmare if you don't know where it is it's a nightmare to dig and find that again yeah you just have to wait until it breaks to fix it. Yeah. A metal detector isn't going to help you there. So that kind of sucks. That's kind of shitty.

Well, it looks like it's flooding here. Yeah. I guess dig there. Dig a giant hole. Dig about a six foot radius of there and see what happens. Because water comes up weird sometimes too and it takes a different path. Pathless resistance. It's crazy.

It's fucking annoying. So yeah, Louise is doing that. sometimes too and it takes a different path resistance it's crazy fucking annoying so uh yeah louise is doing that they do though spend much of their time on the study of the paranormal reincarnation psychic development and things along that lines they're very into that sort of shit most non-texan texan ever this is great and you look at him and you just go geez hello johnny texas i mean describing him it sounds like his belt buckle's bigger than my head just a giant buckle and you know boots out to the moon and a hat that could you could just the pointiest of pointy boots yeah oh the point a hat you could keep like a dozen puppies in

you know you had, puppies to adopt. Just bring them in the hat. Just in case a puppy mill opens and the door, the dogs get free. I can save them all. I save them in my hat. And he's doing all that looking like that. And he's like, I want to talk to you about psychic development and the paranormal and a little bit about reincarnation.

I've been thinking about now because that's it's important to me now fascinating so yeah they raised their two daughters and uh they end up moving to amarillo which is like the closest city if you want to call it that there so they they move there and uh you know they're doing fine now uh by the time the 70s come around, they're quite into Wicca by then. And it's heard around town, and they describe themselves as the, and this is them speaking. I don't know. This isn't my area of expertise, obviously, so I'm just going to go on self-reporting here like a therapist so there's a self-described flamen and flamenca which is the keepers of the flame they say at the church of arian who a r i a n h u arian you arian who so they've got like a

a board a board seat they're like commissioners of this i yeah well it's one of five that church is one of five chartered branches of wicca a real they which they say in the newspaper here but we don't know exactly what the whole structure of the thing is this is what the newspaper is telling the west texans in 1977 here um so they it's known to kind of everybody they call they call that their coven, that church and all that sort of shit here. There's no organized religious services. But from time to time, they have like meetings and gatherings and they hang out and discuss things. So now punch and pie, punch and pie. Now, Lloyd says.

Discussions of weird shit. Just weird stuff. Well, Lloyd said he became interested in mysticism at eight years of age. Yeah. As children do. In 1937 in West Texas, there wasn't a whole lot of little kids like, I'm interested in mysticism, mom. They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Feed the chickens. Shut up. Go outside. i don't think he knew it was mysticism i think he was just like what if uh there was magic yeah like an eight-year-old duck he just read merlin and he was

like hmm i like him the best in this story well no it gets weirder don't don't worry he says this is a quote from loi a friend of my dad's a 32nd degree mason so now we're talking we're getting into the masons which is secret society stuff and he's a 32nd degree one which i don't know if that's good or not i imagine that's a lot of time invested is it or is it do you have to get to first degree or is that when you start like what's how does the scale go yeah do you start at like a first degree or is that when you start? Like what's, how does the scale go? Yeah. Do you start at like a hundred and then you work your way down to one? Is he that far in? Or is he like,

is there only 40 of them and you work your way up? He said that he had been to the near East, which is what they used to call like North Africa. That used to be the near East as opposed to the middle East, the near East and started telling me stuff about Egyptian mysticism. It intrigued me. So, yeah, his dad's friend went over there for whatever and got some books or some shit, heard like local legends and brought it home. And this kid was like, or he smoked weed in Cairo.

You know, some hash out in Cairo. Who knows what he did? hash out in cairo who knows what he did either way he comes and tells this kid who you know in 37 we're talking the radio is your only goddamn link to the radio and church are your links to the outside there's no tv there's no internet there's no there's not a lot going on in in west texas there and it's very kind of rural and so this kind of stuff interested him and uh the stones both of them louise and loy also study hypnosis and esp and uh they did this from way back in the day in 1961 they joined the american society for psychic uh for psychical research oh boy so they're just anything that's like kind of outside the box of this is what's before us what we see anything like that they're just anything that's like kind of outside the box of this is what's before us what

we see anything like that they're into and they're they want to know more about interesting yeah yeah and a lot of it is they're just kind of intelligent and bored is what it seems like and so you don't know where else to go right that's probably exactly what it is yeah and i'm not saying people are bored that's why they do that if you're into it it, good for you. I don't care. But I mean, these people then, there wasn't a lot else to do. So I feel like. And a high IQ in West Texas. Yeah. Look, a high IQ is rare in the first place.

And to be in a small town, they're probably some of the more advanced thinkers there. And eventually you just don't think like everybody else does. Yeah. I bet the percentage of high IQ people is probably the same, you know, anywhere, but it's the people who hide it, that kind of thing. Also, a lot of people in West Texas, if you were, like, smart, that's not really a, you know, you'd rather be good at football. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that is more valuable to you in West Texas back then growing up as a kid anyway, not as an adult, obviously, but as a kid, you might see that as you know a hindrance they're gonna call me names if i get if i'm too smart they're gonna make fun of me because i know things oh it was like that in school when i went to school even i mean i don't know if i don't think it's like that now from what i gather from my kids but like uh yeah you're right you know what the kid that knows things is very popular now, it seems like. Yeah.

When we were kids, you'd have to hide that you were smart. You know what I'm saying? I had a gifted class that I would have to go to, and people would ask me where I was And you would have to go to? Well, they enroll. I don't know. I didn't choose it. My mom, the school talked to my mom.

You were in it, though. Yeah. I was in it. You made it sound like a sentence, like you were bad and they sent you there they sent you to a class i went to the gifted class for math and shit and uh sell yourself short and when i left class people would ask me where i was going and i would tell them that i had difficulty so i was going to and they'd make fun of me for being dumb but i'd rather i'd rather be made fun of for being dumb than the smart kid yeah back then it was tough man yeah for those kids it really was the nerd got the shit kicked out of him so did the dummy i got the shit kicked

out of me too but yeah i guess i think i guess both sides of the spectrum are going to get it pretty good and that's what that's what it is and that's what society is they want you everybody wants you know unless you're in the main group of unless you're in the main herd you're you're there you know and uh and even in the main herd it's still crabs in a bucket no matter what fucking genre or machine that you're in they're all still trying to keep you in the same fucking group as them so um now they were both raised christian and conservative but and that they said that's that what kind of got them into the occult was that because they were like well we think that's not true so what else is out there um they also

they joined mensa as well both of them so high iqs again they um he got his bachelor's in science uh and masters in education and counseling like i said and she ended and he ended up getting a doctorate degree in celtic witchcraft what from the international school of wicca in new burn north carolina i had no idea that existed yeah that's i didn't either so uh he uh he also what was he saying oh he said that uh the first guy talking about from the Near East there is dad's friend intrigued him. Then Bridie Murphy. I don't know who that is. And it's arguments favoring reincarnation.

And they believed in that. And next was Edgar Case, he says, who is the godfather of psychic religion and a proponent of clairvoyance. So that's when they started getting into all that. Before Wicca, they didn't even know it existed. Louise says, quote, neither of us knew anything about the Wicca religion. I didn't even know it was a religion. Yeah, I guess I didn't know it was an actual religion.

I know it's a thing people do, right? Yeah, I mean, I guess. I mean, anything's kind of a religion if you're doing it, I suppose, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, the definition of religion can be very i suppose i guess loose i don't fucking know you know whatever you want it to be i guess yeah i don't know how dogmatic you want to be about recycling can be a religion i suppose i guess yeah anything could be so um she says though for

this area our religion is pretty far out. Yeah, it's not normal around there. Quote unquote normal. So definitely going against the herd here. They said they practiced Wicca discreetly since they joined the church. They joined the church in about 69. They said they started getting interested in it. 70 around that area, which is when a lot of people were getting interested in

other different ideas and shit like that you know that was very common then obviously so um they said though they didn't there was no real nobody ever gave him any shit about it because they did it discreetly so they looked the part they look like i mean the epitome of west Texas I mean she's got like a you know a beehive hairdo and a dress on and he looks like you know a sheriff somewhere they they look the part so you wouldn't look at him and go look at these freaks you know they would nobody would do that

back in the day he said that we felt if people knew anything about the religion there would not be conflicts or problems education would remove prejudice well we know that's not true in society that just people go i don't want to hear that uh it wasn't it wasn't to convince anybody that it was the way to go but there is so much misinformation he said that the whole basis of wicca is to try to be in harmony with nature to understand or use forces at work in a constructive manner

our creed is this harm none do what you will that's our 10 commandments those are two that's two i said that's all of them right there say two yep those are our two commandments it's essentially i mean it's like like native american culture really is like don't i mean leave whatever for for the next generation. Leave it as you found it, but, you know, grow your corn and live. Yep. That's a good way to put it. Yeah.

It's kind of just do as you do. It's kind of a hippie thing, too. You know what I mean? Just, hey, man, just do your thing. Don't bother. Don't hurt people. It's kind of one of those. So apparently they're talking about, in the newspaper, too, they said that, quote, a group of, this isn't from they're talking about in the newspaper too they said that

quote a group of this isn't from loi this is in the newspaper quote a group of believers will gather at an altar often by moonlight and try to set in uh enforce a motion to stop something harmful to cure an illness or correct a bad deed they say the stones use props in their ceremonies a special knife a sword candles stained glass and an altar and robes to quote to set a mental mood sometimes they work within a circle drawn on the floor to them it's no more unusual than the trappings and mysticism of christianity which which rich witchcraft predates they're saying he says the whole basis of wicca is to try to be in harmony with nature. He just keeps saying that.

He says the craft doesn't believe in Satan as an individual or hell as a place. We believe in each man. We believe each man creates his own devil, adversary, evil, and therefore creates his own hell. We don't believe God would do it god is a creator not a destroyer so that's their that's their you know pitch that they're giving you here sure so their religion sounds fucking horny too yeah it sounds fun i mean yeah there's definitely fucking going on there i feel like booze would be okay yeah you throw some wine in there not frowned upon not whatever probably yeah probably burn one or two i think

i don't think they would mind oh i thought we were into like earth and shit this is from the earth so we're having a good time hey all right i don't know um so pre-halloween now this is the month leading up to how this october 1977 leading up to how this October 1977 leading up to Halloween night. The United Earth Assembly, which is called a pagan conclave by the newspaper. It's essentially a gathering of all different Wiccan and type of that sort of like a cult believing type shit. They're bringing all that in to have a like a like a conference yeah and they're doing it in west texas which is interesting yeah loy stone goes on television in amarillo to promote this event wow yeah he got no one knew shit about loy and didn't

give a shit before that then he goes on television in amarillo and he says all those things i just told you look we believe in this and that and the mysticism of that and the all the stuff i told you which we went that sounds reasonable he said that on amarillo in texas and they just went i didn't hear jesus's name anywhere in there a whole bunch of people went big dad get in here and listen to this. Absolutely. Lloyd became a very well-known guy in West Texas very, very quickly. This was two weeks before Halloween. It was an Amarillo television studio. And their television appearance was just all anybody talked about was, there's witches out there. And on Easter Road, there's witches because that's the road they live on that family there.

There's witches. And then it spread to devil worshippers and there's stuff going on. And once all these rumors trickle down to high school. Yeah. Because they start with all the adults in town that saw this on the news and all this and trickles down and then they say, oh, you stay away from that one house. There's devil worship and you know people it turns into there's devil worshipers that do crazy rituals and it's a haunted house out there boy it's a haunted house full of devil worshiping witches who do rituals that you can watch on halloween that's that was what all the teenagers thought so this turns into

a pilgrimage for teenagers to harass the drive by their house and harass them. These are dazed and confused. You've seen Dazed and Confused. This is a year later. All the guys in the pickup truck, picture those guys constantly driving by the house yelling. The Aflac screaming horrible shit at you. Shooting guns off near their house throwing throwing beer cans at the house uh shooting on purpose putting place in their trucks to

shoot gravel at them into the house and shit like that yelling things vandalizing things uh it becomes like a thing that's happening every day for them right after that. And it's all teenagers. That's fucked up, man. Yeah, it's fucked up. And it's like we said, it's total dazed and confused. Like they're there to paddle everybody. It's almost it's one of those things. Right.

And fuck you in their lawn. Yeah. With their tires as they burn it into it. So it really becomes a big deal here. The students in Hereford, which is north of Dimit, they're everywhere there. He said that he's tasked with organizing Samhain seminars, which are mini conventions with classes and workshops that are going to be held in a hotel over the long weekend. It is to be held at the Howard Johnson East on the Interstate 40 in Amarillo, which is a very mystical place, obviously.

Shit loads of trucks in the parking lot. That's just a bunch of over-the-road truckers, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what's going on. So they said they chose Amarillo because you think, why the fuck would you choose Amarillo for your Wiccan conference? It doesn't seem like the most accepting place. Well, no, it's because it's roughly the same distance between Dallas and Albuquerque. It's like the middle spot.

Remember, I said it was four hours this way, four hours that way. So it's the middle spot. And also somewhere else, too. It's driving distance oklahoma city they said you could drive so it's like the same distance to a bunch of different places and el paso you can drive up so the hojo and amarillo hojo and amarillo my god central to everybody that is wild man so they said normally they would celebrate halloween by inviting other believers in the church of wicca to their home for a ceremony marking the beginning of the wicca year okay halloween there's no years for them huh that's their new year that's what he's saying anyway that's what the newspaper's saying um and they decided this year though

because of all the hubbub to spend it alone and not invite not have a big party and then have you know teenagers coming over firing guns off and throwing full beer cans at them so um now ruby stone uh lois mother she's elderly obviously at this point in time she's you know about 80 years old she lives on the property as well. The problem with the teenagers driving, it's not so much Loy's house because I've seen a picture of it. It's a, you know, there's like a dusty road. It's gravel and shit. And off to the right is the house, the way you come from town. And off to the right is the house.

And the house is set back from the road. There's some, you know, likexas shrubbery there whatever those trees are the ones that are in phoenix yards and shit stuff all over here yeah yeah the mesquite that's got that in front of the house and then there's a pump house next to it to the right and so it all kind of sits back from the road but right at the road like right at the road two feet off the road is a smaller little house that ruby stone lives in that's her house so she's getting the brunt of all of this the house was i have no idea what they're doing because they just know they just assume they don't know it's an old lady living in a fucking living in this house so that they're scaring the shit out of a very old lady

like i mean they're throwing beer cans uh the house was hit with shotgun blast at one point that's like man yeah not like a window or anything it was just to to scare them or whatever but i mean the house was hit with a shotgun blast so there's a lot of a lot of tension as we lead up to halloween and the stones are kind of wishing maybe they didn't wish they wouldn't have got on tv with this whole deal yeah sometimes promotion is not a good thing they really didn't think that this would be the reaction they didn't they didn't think that they thought that people might think they're weird or if they went to the store they might give them a side eye or some shit like that but they didn't think that it would become hey let's go out to their house and fucking like it

would become like a teenager hangout zone to go fuck with these people they just never even thought of that as a as a an option is that really how how far back we are that that was a thing that wasn't happening you know i mean haven't they yeah they lived in the south don't they know that challenging the status quo down there doesn't go well yeah well they thought though they're like kind of so ingrained in the community and everybody knows who they are and knows that they're you know they know they're normal people they say i see lloyd the star all the time his beard's as big as mine like i don't see the his belt buckle's the same size as mine i don't see a problem with

that's what everybody thinks so they're they thought that you know like i said they'd go to the post office and people be like oh that's the one i saw on tv saying there's a witch but they didn't think like teenagers would make it like a you know like a rite of passage to go harass them like they never thought that was the thing the these there's so many disturbances that the sheriff is out there all the time uh all the time yeah so um constantly and uh sheriff martin's there and he ends up uh actually at one point taking a bunch of students into custody a bunch of students into custody a bunch of high school students for momentarily to give them a good talking to yeah said he gave them

quote a stiff lecture yeah stiff lecture you let them know and one of them was fined 100 for fleeing an officer one of them ran into the west texas prairie land for some reason. I'm going to hide in the cotton. I'll just lay down flat. High cotton. Thank God it's high. I can hide in it. I'll just lay down flat, and the police ain't going to see me now. So the cars and pickups driving by, honking, shouting obscenities, throwing bottles and cans racing in and out uh of the whole thing they

would shoot rocks into the yard at the houses as they drove by one gunshot like i said so one of the local fathers who was interviewed here with teenage kids he said that you know he didn't he feels bad that it's car loads of kids are fucking with these people he said quote the kids think they have a haunted house out there he said i told my boy not to go out there but he did it anyway and just he everybody does it and they just keep doing it so much so that they start keeping a calendar and start the the stones do and start notating the different incidents that happen because they keep having to report the shit to police so uh yeah they keep doing it so they have a calendar on the wall here it's a promotional calendar from the rexall drugstore near damn it yeah or dim it sorry um they not a lot going on

until we hit the at the tv station until we hit the advertisement for this, this, uh, whatever the gathering here, then all of a sudden Sunday, October 2nd is written quote car and yard several times, uh, on Sunday, October 9th,

it says quote two to 4 a.m. Harassment of mom. So they were waking an 80 something year old lady up at two o'clock in the morning for two hours that's that sucks man jesus and i was a shithead teenager i did dumb shit it just sucks to don't fuck with old ladies i didn't target a family and just fucking make their life hell at home that's crazy i sold drugs that's much more efficient use of my time maybe that's why i didn't do it because I had weed in my bag. Yeah.

I'm not going to go do dumb shit. Police interaction. I was trying to keep a low profile. Are you kidding me? I kept my stereo down and shit because I was like, I have drugs in my car. They're fucking with an old lady for two hours? Yeah. Somebody with their bass tubes can get pulled over.

I'm not doing it. So two to four, harassment of mom. On the 10th and 11th, they simply wrote harassment. On Friday the 14th, they said per S gun, which means purchased shotgun. Oh. Per S gun. Yeah, they purchased a shotgun. As we'll talk about, they have have a shotgun but it's very rusty

and old and they don't they're not they're not big on shooting that's not their thing so just dispel and make that fire yeah yeah um then it says uh quote uh harassment big s call for red m stakeout so uh yeah i don't know what that means. I think the sheriff probably called. They called the sheriff and asked him to stay. Some shit like that. So harassment, though. Friday, the 21st of October. Some harassment.

Small. 8 p.m. and 9 p.m. It's just a lot of harassment here. She writes her friends. She's writing her friends about it basically anyone that talks to louise and loy at this point that's all they're talking about is that they're constantly being harassed they can't sleep at night there's kids coming and fucking with them all hours of the night they're keeping mom up you know all this type of shit so it's

rough she's 77 years old ruby stone so So, you know, that's rough. Even, like I said, hit by a shotgun blast, everything. There's no notations on the 29th and 30th of October. So either there's more harassment than they want to write down or everyone's saving it up for Halloween night. Because Halloween night comes around, October 31st, 1977. And it is a fucking shit show out there. It's a it's a circus. I mean, it is the thing to do that night. Like if there was a big, you know, haunted cornfield or some shit that all the kids, what we're all doing is driving to the haunted devil worship house tonight.

And everybody's everybody's doing it well they want to see some stuff they said tonight's when they're going to get to see some stuff that's going to see like a green circle cloud over the house or something they think there's going to be like rituals and sacrifices and shit so they want to go out there and quote

catch a ritual that's what they're doing so they want to go like you know catch them in the act of a ritual it's a haunted house and maybe we'll see ghosts and that's what they're watching hee-haw fuck out of here that's exactly what it is it's so fucking he's like reading a book on egyptian mysticism he's like what's happening he's reading about pharaohs while he's watching hee-haw and his kids are doing burnouts in his front yard yeah that's true the high school has a little a little under 500 students in it and they're all pretty much talking about this they're talking about doing it um and it's kids from dimmet there's kids from hereford there's kids from everywhere hereford hereford

far and wide are coming to do this to them yep uh they said quote they thought they'd see witches uh witches ceremony or some devil worship they wanted to see something so dusk comes around at dusk it is like fucking field of dreams or lined up down the road and it's a rural flat texas area so you can see people coming forever and they don't normally drive down this deserted rural fucking easter road in the middle of nowhere except when they're coming to fuck with them so they're coming left and right kids everywhere all over the place loy stone calls the police to complain about them uh this will happen three or four more times tonight. They'll have to call the sheriff's department to come back out and shoo people away here. One of the calls was given to a deputy, Martin, who was headed east.

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the Deputy Martin encountered a carload of kids obviously and uh it just kept happening now i'm going to read you this straight from a newspaper because i love the way they set the scene later on this this is the uh the martin talking about this deputy martin quote the phone rang about 7 30 p.m martin recalled sitting in his office his booted feet propped on a wooden desk a wide-brimmed straw hat tilted back from his broad face is this like this quintessential texas what the fuck is this stereotype this if you wrote that in a screenplay someone would go i mean you know that's a little on the nose don't you think nobody's gonna think that's real make him a little different he said we'd received similar complaints a couple weeks before and i got out there and found a bunch of kids from hereford i gave them a stiff lecture about coming into another county

and harassing people you stay in your own county and harass people you harass beach community gold-brick and son of a bitch he's some. Get the hell out of here, goddammit. He said, after I got the Stones call, I drove out and saw a carload of kids. I stopped them and told them to go home and leave these people alone. Then I went on to the house. There didn't seem to be anything amiss. Now, the sheriff also stopped people, and he said, I stopped them. They heard there were witches. I told them, don't come back They heard, uh, they heard there were witches.

I told them, don't come back down here. And I turned them loose and they went home. So, uh, the, uh, now that Martin ended up coming over again after that and said, he's shown his car lights into the driveway. And he said, quote, I couldn't see nobody there or nothing going on. I backed out and went West. So whenever there's a call coming in whoever's out there i'll just come and stop by you might get one cop stopping by and another one coming 10 minutes later because he didn't know the one already came okay they have a poor radio system in this town and who knows texas people are just people of very few words they say what they're going to do and then they go do it it's true but. But here, I don't even know if I don't know what the deal is here.

So at the sheriff's dispatch dispatch desk, which also dispatches the dimmet police as well. You know, it's all in one here. We keep it keeping it local. Keep it tight. Yeah. The dispatcher, Gene Stroud, who's only 21 years old here. the dispatcher gene straud who's only 21 years old here um he they say that he failed to meet the sheriff's minimum procedures and uh they asked him about record keeping and he said quote well the records consist of just whatever we write down on the log but on this one we have a big

scratch pad underneath it and i got into a habit of writing on it and we can't find that piece of paper that came off of that log that night so that what they just they had an official log post-it pad yeah they had an official log that they were supposed to log it into but i mean rather than just it's kind of like doing a crossword and pen at that point are we going to report everything in the official log so they have a scratch pad for shit they toss probably and the glue got real real loose on it so we lost that one lost that one and this will come in handy we could use all of this documentation later on because someone's gonna end up fucking dead here so it's a boy it's a problem the sheriff's department didn't record audio traffic between the dispatcher and units in the field either like so you don't have those those dispatch recordings they don't

record any of that shit here not just the shit chatter on the radio nobody records anything i don't know if i don't know if that was like procedure in the 70s not to record it or not i know by the 80s in the david simon homicide book there's a big case with a police shooting where the recordings of the back and forth is a huge part of it so i know they did it at least by 88 in baltimore but i don't know about west texas when that came in i don't know if they just started that reckless not to keep track of what people are saying on shit like on people yeah grant let's say all right they're cops whatever but they've got guns let's keep track of every word said by those people yeah well plus if things come up later in court you

want to have records of them. And not only that, you have, like I said, the scratch pad, they're throwing shit out. They just have a very general attitude of like, nothing big's going to happen, it's fine. He's a cop. Inherently trust him. No, just more like, you know, something happens,

we'll figure it out, ain't no big deal, nothing big's going to happen. Not like anybody's going to die or nothing. All right. So that night, we're breaking it out ain't no big deal nothing big's gonna happen not like anybody's gonna die or nothing all right so that night we're getting into the breaking it into minutes now so halloween night 7 15 to 7 20 p.m louise stone uh said this that ruby stone calls the house from her house and said that there's a vehicle in the yard outside my house here. So can you come out and shoo him away? So 7.20, Louise Stone says, quote, pickup and car stopped in front of our house and started yelling and honking,

which they're used to. Two cars there. 7.30 p.m., Louise Stone does this. One of the Stones calls the sheriff's office, and also Fred Mouloulton who's a deputy who they they got they were friends with okay and he was at home so they called him at home uh he tells them though can't help you i just quit my job today as a matter of fact this was drunk as fuck literally my last day on the job so if you got me last night could have helped you today tough shit so he's like fuck um so they continue they notate that the visits continue quote about

every 10 to 20 minutes that's insane just constantly um to people jesus yeah it's it's crazy it's fucking nuts so um about 8 p.m., Sheriff Martin tells the dispatcher that he will respond to the Stone's home. He's at least 15 miles away, but there's no traffic and obviously can drive as fast as he wants. All these roads are straight as shit. Yeah. And you can if you're the sheriff, you can drive 110 miles an hour and get there quickly. So go. Yeah.

He does, though, stop briefly on the way there to talk to a carload of teens coming from the direction of the house on the way in. And he notes their names and license plates, but he lost his notes. So he doesn't know anything there. So doesn't know anything there. So 8, 10 p.m. Louise Stone calls to see why no sheriff's car has come in response to her previous fucking call. Where is everybody? Immediately after that, Sheriff Martin radios to say that he just sent the carload of kids home.

So he's right down the road when that happens. So you're putting this all together. She calls. Where is he? He's talking to the kids that were leaving the house then right whatever calling and telling saying that now about 8 20 p.m this is uh sheriff martin's estimate of when he left the stones residence he said he shined his bright lights into the trees but he didn't see uh he didn't see lloyd or louis or lloyd or talk to them he just shined his lights in the trees make sure it was clear he never exits his car his wife thelma is with him for some reason

he brought his wife to work with him i guess to drive around why not and uh he drives about eight miles and then he gets another radio call so it's just it won't fucking stop for the sheriff and this whole night. Now, mind you, like I said, he the sheriff is trying to remember what times there were. Nothing is recorded. Nothing's in the call logs in the in the department that was on the scratch pad that gets thrown away. And the sheriff takes no notes. So he doesn't even scribble down when here at 820. Nothing. He just drives around. You don't have to do a goddamn thing at 8 20 nothing he just drives around you don't

have to do a goddamn thing nor do you have to record what you do no he's like beginning of first season stranger things hopper is what he is like beginning of the first season where he's just smoking and eating donuts and doesn't i don't fucking care what people are doing i'm hung over like that's so this is ridiculous right but you're also not eminem and eight miles stamping fucking car parts you're you're a police officer yeah get your shit together protecting the society let's keep track of what the fuck is happening i feel like nothing happens around here for such long stretches of periods of time that they're just not in the habit of proper procedure because it's like nah we'll figure it out you know there's so I once saw in Kitchen Nightmares, the British one where Ramsey says

Gordon Ramsey said, well, where do you put your orders? Like, how do you set them up for your expediting? And he goes, well, I just put them here on the counter because we usually don't get enough to even really make it like so we have to have a system. And I think that's what's going on here. This is a TV show and you're about to get a shitload of orders. You're about to get a system. And I think that's what's going on here. This is a TV show and you're about to get a shitload of orders. You're about to get a system up your ass. Let's go.

As I call you names, move it up. Bend over because I'm about to swear at you while I jam these tickets right in your asshole. And that's called giving you a system. That's what I'm going to call that. You donkey. Teaching you a system. You muppet. You donkey.

Teaching you a system, you Muppet. So he never exits his car, which is just fucking insanity to me. He didn't even get out and go, everything fine? Now, next, there's some teenagers here. Okay, particular teenagers. There's a group in a in a red Ford pickup truck. It's a new truck that this kid has borrowed. I don't know if it's from his dad or whoever, but he borrowed it from somebody here. I know he says it's not his, but he borrowed it.

So one of the kids here is named Carlos Garza. He's 18 years old. He's lived in the area for about three years and he had to drop out of high school halfway through the 11th grade to work, to make ends meet, you know, for the family. Tough life. So he's, at this moment, a janitor at Plains Memorial Hospital. That's what he does here. His family residence, though, is about a mile from the Stones' residence. from the Stones residence.

And he has known these people actually, because at times his family has bought eggs from Ruby stone, Ruby stone sells eggs. So a lot of the local people know them as they're the witch people that the old lady sells, sells eggs. I got a lot of chickens to sacrifice because they make eggs. Yeah. Lots of eggs.

So, um, Garza here took his younger siblings trick-or-treating in dimit and then he went to a carnival there was a halloween carnival that night which sounds so like a fucking yeah it's the most seven shit yeah it sounds like the like the alternate script to halloween is what it is like then he met the kids at the festival like it's such a just a standardized halloween you can see it you can smell it you know so he takes them there goes to this festival um there he bumps into a buddy of his named arthur herrera who's also 18 and they start hanging out together and uh they while they're there run into three girls from school

that they know. And when you're a teenager and you're out at this environment of a carnival, your goal is to run into girls, you know. That's it. So they run into three girls they know, which is, hey. That's great odds. They're all 15. That's not good, but go on. I think they're sophomores.

They'd be seniors. It's one of those deals. Everybody goes to the high school except for the kid who dropped out to work. Should be a little. You know, whatever. Probably not. Exactly. This is Texas fine. As long as you're going to marry her, right?

Texas fine. You're going to marry her, right? Texas whatever. All right, then. As long as you marry her, it's all right. She'll skip math class to marry you now, but if this is just fooling around, I ain't having it. So the three young ladies they meet are Roxanne Casas. She's 15.

Adriana Rangel, also 15. And Maria Trevino, also 15. also 15 so uh this truck here belongs to uh they end up with a nice truck because it belongs to casa's father roxanne the 15 year old they this is what a cool dad this guy is three 15 year old girls drove to the carnival in his truck no no no no they they end up all hanging out with the boys they leave the carnival the way they i didn't realize no. They they end up all hanging out with the boys. They leave the carnival the way they I didn't realize this. The way they end up with the with the truck that I didn't know how they got is that's not the truck that he drove to the carnival. They take the three girls.

They go to Roxanne Casas's house. The father says, your car is a piece of shit. If you guys are going to go drive around, i prefer you do it in my truck where it's safe which is a child that i don't know yep kids that i don't know here uh three years older former dropout classmate of my daughters drive my truck all night around in the dark on halloween please i'm gonna facilitate you fucking my child i'm gonna going to do it in class. It's going to be classy. I'm going to do it right, god damn it. Jesus Christ. So he said he didn't want him to have car trouble and get stuck in the middle of nowhere.

This is pre-cell phones. West Texas is rural. Car trouble is a big thing. That's a selfish dad that will not compromise sleep time. I will not be waking up to come get you. Nope. I am not going to get a fucking call at 1 a.m i'll be putting these miles on this truck anyway just take it they're gonna call at 1 a.m

that you guys just walked to a gas station for the last four hours and now you need a ride not fucking doing it this is not happening that's hilarious unbelievable He's either the coolest or laziest father ever. We haven't figured it out yet. Coolest or dumbest? Could he be all of them? I'm the coolest, laziest, dumbest dad around. No. Honestly, I think he's a nice guy.

Yeah, he's just a sweetheart who's just trying not to be fucked with tonight. Yeah, I really think that he said, I don't want the kids to break down while they're out there. I don't want my 15-year-old daughter walking through the Texas night. And, you know, let's get any trusting. That's a nice thing. You know, that's what it is. It's two guys that grew up in shitty,

shitty environments that trust is not a thing that we feel. So this is so foreign to understand somebody would possibly trust a fucking strange child with my vehicle a fucking strange child with a brand new truck brand new red ford pickup which in texas is like you know diamonds piled on top of gold so it's crazy this is wild shit yeah i i would have never gone out with a girl whose dad was like take my car.

I had a piece of shit car. I picked plenty of girls up in it. None of the dads ever said, hold on. Wait, here's my keys. I don't want you guys breaking down out there. So this is actually, we take it back. He's a very nice man. He's amazing.

He's a sweet man and a good father who doesn't want his daughter to have to walk through the planes at night. So I like him. E eaten by armadillos so good to his daughter in fact that he will throw all the trust he has into this boy to drive yeah something that's worth a lot of money it's fucking wild so arthur herrera ends up driving he ends up driving the truck uh adriana wrangle sitting next to him. Because there's five people in a pickup truck. So you've got to think about it that way. Roxanne's in the middle. And then Carlos is on the passenger side with Maria on his lap.

This is a single cab pickup truck. It's 1977. There's no extended cab pickup trucks back then. Nobody even gets in the bed? There's a cab and pickup trucks back then. There's the cab in the bed. There's a cab and a bed period. Five children on a bench seat. And this is amazing. And if you're a teenage boy, you're like, no, no, no. Squeeze in here and he could sit on my lap.

It's totally cool. Like they don't fuck. Come on. They're trying to get their butt rubbed on them. These kids. So, yeah. So he the Carlo Arthur Herrera knew Adriana Rangel a little bit and he barely knew Maria Trevino at all. And he never met Roxanne Casas to the till that night.

Wow. So it wasn't even a good friend of hers that the dad is known for a couple of years. And like, oh, he's a he's just the guy they met at the carnival. So they're friends with Carlos. Wow wow that's wild carlos's friend that's crazy shit so he said um that they were all just going to go riding around at first they also said they were going to go visit a pond that quote everybody goes to and uh they said there they met a carload of more kids. One of them, Trevino's older brother, was there. And Trevino's older brother was the one that said,

hey, I know where the witch house is. There's a haunted devil worshiper house that we all know about. I know where it is. You want to follow me out there and we'll go out there and fucking see what's going on. So they all go right on, lead the way, pal. So that's how this ends up happening.

These kids drive in there. Everybody's smooshed in. We've all done that as teenagers. I remember putting people in the trunk, for Christ's sake. People have ridden in the trunk of cars that I've seen. That's not safe. We rode in pickup trucks in the bed of them all the time. And it was because it was a single cab. And we're not jamming four dudes in a single cab. We put two of trucks in the bed of them all the time. And it was because it was a single cab, and we're not jamming four dudes in a single cab.

We put two of us in the back. My friend drives a three-on-the-tree Ford doing burnouts on the fucking street corner at three in the morning. We're idiots. No, this is different. The seating situation is blowing my mind more than the dad trusting a stranger to get out that's correct the way they have it too carlos and the girl sitting on top of him are turned in so like his back is against his back is against the door so he can't really see out of the passenger window okay so the the entrance to the where the live, their property, is not very well lit, although there is some light across the driveway from the light outside Ruby's house that kind of shines across, but then it's dark in back of that.

So can you picture that? Yeah. Light and then behind the beam of light, darkness behind, which even looks darker because it's behind the beam of light. You know what I mean? So it's one of those deals so um they uh uh the moon uh which was four days past full they said wasn't really gonna give any light to later on in the night here because it's early right exactly so they said that uh that garza up saying here, this is what he says. Now, Garza's got the worst view, like we said. So he's looking kind of over his shoulder, if anything. He says, quote, I looked ahead of me and there was a lady, an old lady in her 40s. Fuck you, kid.

Fuck you, you little shitbag. You worthless fuck, you're not even in your own vehicle you little prick you you little prick you get over here this picture like i will slam your head into your friend's head an old lady in her 40s so that's great son of a fucking asshole little shit wearing a scarf heavy jacket and glasses and carrying what he described as a long gun yeah so fuck out of here yeah when they pulled up they you know they'd all heard about the witch house and everything but when they pulled up garza said that he turned to everybody he went this isn't the right place this is the place where we buy eggs. He said, we buy eggs here.

There's nothing weird going on here. No apparitions rise from the eggs when I crack them. It's fine. I don't even get two yolks out of these things. There's nothing weird here. Not even ghost eggs. I got nothing coming out of here. So he said then what he described as the old lady there came out and he said that quote she started walking toward the pickup and he said i pushed maria down in the pickup roxanne started screaming

i pushed maria down then i ducked down and somebody shot oh he said the then the lights of the pickup went off and the next thing i remember we were already headed toward town so the lights of the pickup by the way after some research that's that was done here the it's one of those the fords back then had the pull thing for the lights remember that was like a pullout thing he went down he bumped it he could have bumped it the driver could have bumped it also the driver he's never driven this car before so he might have been looking for anything the fucking thing and hit this who the fuck knows in the panic of a gunshot in the dark somewhere you aren't don't oh jesus christ so it gets a little bit crazy he said the next thing i remember we headed toward town now the other car like we said the one Trevino's older brother was he was in Emilio Sandoval Jr.

Was a passenger in that car, which had the one that kind of guided them out there. He said that he saw two shadows and that a woman's voice threatened him to get out of here or she'll shoot. And that he saw the Ford pickup head toward dammit after that or dim it dim it whatever the fuck it's called so um he this herrera guy he's a you know important witness obviously the driver he ends up uh he says that um he drove his pickup into the driveway past a concrete block well house so he drove into the driveway this wasn't out in the front he said he was turning around and spraying gravel everywhere fast yeah or he just gunned it to spray gravel yeah and uh that's when he heard two blasts echoed from a shotgun it's a lot of how many how many gunshots were fired thing here one of them he said struck the bed of the truck he said a second shattered the passenger window

this sent buckshot into it hit carlos and maria because they were the first ones by the door giving them minor wounds but buckshot went right into roxanne casas's right temple oh no yeah uh so we'll talk about that she's gonna have they're gonna take her to the hospital obviously now um louise says she overheard one of the passengers in the pickup say quote if we light a fire we could probably see them so they there's been a lot of threats of arson that have been documented that they're going to burn their house down because they're witches and all that shit so they hear fire and they think that someone's going to burn their house down because they're witches and all that shit. So they hear fire and they think that someone's going to burn their house down is what she's saying.

I'm just saying, that's what she's saying. Um, she said, then I heard a noise like a shot. This is what Louise says. The truck started spinning its wheels and backed out. I stepped back into the trees where he was,

where Loy was standing with me. Later, I went up to our house and Loy said, Loy said he was going down to Mom's. So the sheriff arrives about 40 minutes after this goes down, obviously, because he's right on top of everything. Now, they go to the hospital here. They said that this is what one of the teenagers said.

This is Trevino. She said, quote, We saw that Roxanne had been shot, and we didn't know what to tell her parents. Which is the most teenage thing anyone's ever said. She said, quote, she was full of blood. There was just a bunch of blood coming out of the right side of her head. Oh, dear God. Yeah.

God. Yeah. So she said they headed straight for the hospital, which she said she noticed holes in the truck on the way to the hospital. The problem is they don't arrive at the hospital for almost an hour after this happens. What? Yeah. They don't get there for almost an hour. It's between 45 and 50 minutes. How far is the hospital?

The hospital is eight miles away of straight roads that's all so what did you do so you could get there in a new truck in about five minutes probably so fast yeah i mean five minutes there's no lights there's no nothing they're open texas roads fucking gun it if anyone gets behind you go hospital fucking keep going what are you doing out the window with blood all over it they'll get it yeah yeah hang hang her fucking bloody teenager out the window they'll understand so yeah she gets there the nurses find that she has a very severe head wound and no pulse as well the upper back pellets with maria trevino she is uh she's got a scar from it and everything but they pull those out carlos

garza had some superficial pellet wounds to his head and neck and uh herrera and adriana wrangle were unharmed how about that it's fucking crazy shotguns are unbelievable weapons man they're ridiculous they really are so they're just they're not consistent like it's no the inconsistency is bananas but that's why that's why they're so scary, and that's why you run from them. Yeah. You don't know what the fuck that thing can do, and you don't know what it's loaded with. You don't know what it's loaded with.

Right. It could be salt. Bud shot. It could be fucking buck shot, bird shot. You have no idea. Salt rock, slugs. You have no clue. No clue what's coming at you there.

It's a very scary weapon. Rubber bullets, too. You can hit people with fucking rubber pellets. It's just so scary. Or, if you're omar pumpkin balls there you go that's probably slugs or it could be buckshot either way that's i think it's big buckshot i think it's big buckshot like bigger buckshot is what i think it is so i don't know though i don't know anything about it will tear you apart fuck yeah well so the hospital one of the things that's interesting the cops don't know, though. I don't know anything about it. Will tear you apart. Fuck. Yeah. Well, so the hospital, one of the things that's interesting, the cops don't write shit down, but the hospital tends to know when things happen.

They have a pretty good log of things. Yeah. They actually keep things under a rut. They know when people need medication. Gordon Ramsey's been there. Yeah. He's been there a couple of times. Their tickets are all up on the fucking slide.

You know, that's table four. Yeah, that's right. He's been there a couple times. Their tickets are all up on the fucking slide, you know? That's table four. Yeah, that's right. That's four veals. Exactly. So they arrived. They note that they arrived at 8.45 p.m. here. Now, they were at the house something like between 8 and 8.10 was when they were at the house.

So it's back there. So they arrived at the Plains Memorial Hospital. It's in Dammit. And they said this is Mitzi Brockman, who is the charge nurse. They assisted her, her and a woman named Rosalie Neal, who's another nurse.

And they were busy treating patients and summoning the on-call doctor as well because the doctor wasn't even fucking there they had to call the guy who was there it's a small hospital uh they said it was between eight and nine o'clock somewhere around 8 45 or something like that that's just a recollection off the top of her head she says all i know is it was dark so it must have been it should have been probably between eight and nine o'clock well here and then she pulls out the record. It's 8.45 p.m. Beautiful. Isn't that amazing when you write shit down? I think it was around

you know what? We'll consult actual paperwork tells us exactly when it was. Crazy. Look I have it written on a piece of fucking paper from that night so it's there for eternity. Facts do fix things. They do. Then I saved it too. I didn't throw it out afterwards

also kept it with me so 8 45 p.m the hospital reports the arrival of the pickup truck and the occupants because they have to call arrive it's gunshot wounds they have to call the police immediately the dimmit police chief joe ben mitchell. Joe Ben? What the fuck kind of name is that? It's the guy that just finished up an open mic gig. Good God. They'll put anything after Joe. John Michael Montgomery tunes. Yeah.

I'm Joe Ben Mitchell. Check me on the country charts. Here's my next hit. Yeah. Here's my next hit bad at paperwork. I don't like pens and no paper. My brain is the caper it tells me all i need to know just fucking singing some paper hurt my fingers no paper cuts that's what this song's called no paper cuts we both went to paper cuts that's

hilarious the same exact. Oh, man. So he photographs the truck, noting a hole in the right side of the pickup bed and also noting that the glass in the passenger side door is shattered. And then I'm sure he gets distracted by an armadillo and wanders off somewhere. Eight fifty five p.m. 8 55 p.m louise stone calls again because after this happened the incident she had called nobody showed up yet so she calls again remember the sheriff is on en route at this point he talked to other teenagers who are leaving uh this time calls again with an angrier tone she said she's fed up with the harassment and demands that patrol cars come to her goddamn house fucking now uh sheriff martin says he's a few miles down the road and goes to

the farm like we said and then shortly afterwards so he went out there ran into another carload of teenagers shined his lights and took the fuck off even though a shooting just happened wow so uh yeah because the stones when they called didn't report a shooting they just reported people there and the teenagers who he ran into didn't report that somebody just got shot up there either so no idea that there's a bloody 15 year old no clue that any of this is happening so he shows up uh there and uh shortly after he shows up and leaves chief mitchell then joe joe ben he radios from the hospital that quote uh the shoot there's a shooting supposedly that took place at the stone's house now the sheriff's like well i was just fucking there i didn't see shit ain't no shooting ain't no shooting. So Roxanne is pronounced dead at nine o'clock or a little before nine o'clock.

Fifteen years old. Fucking dead. The haunted house. Ridiculous. So a nurse at that point phoned the police and told them, quote, we have a dead child here. Yep. That interested them a little bit. And that gets relayed to everybody uh and

uh the sheriff though requests backup from the highway patrol before going back to the stone's house now so uh sheriff's notified and everything like that um fuck man he by the way sheriff says he came back to the house and talked to them after this at 8 30 which is absolutely not true he's not even notified to go back there till nine o'clock so his again record keeping is as good as his fucking memory terrible um so this obviously contradicts the nurses uh both their oral statements and their written fucking logs and their and you know know, hospital things. Doctors notating times of death.

Her fucking time of death is it's ridiculous. Her time of death is a half hour before that later. It's so stupid. So now he says he shows up there. He talks with Loy and Louise this time outside. Loy is carrying a shotgun this time. And there are, by the way,

because this is the sheriff we're talking about here. So it's clearly a fuck up in progress. There are, there's conflicting accounts of whether Loy said he shot one shot or no shots. Okay. I could see a difference. That's what I'm saying.

I could see a difference. I don't know if I busted off two or three shots. Yeah. either way we'll figure it out bullets were sprayed none or one is a huge fucking difference yeah he doesn't remember or didn't he didn't even fucking write any of this down he's talking to people who allegedly a shooting just took place at their house the guy's carrying a shotgun and he doesn't even have a fucking notebook out this asshole so it's insane so he talks with them lloyd's lloyd says he fired the gun once in the air and then like we said or none at all we don't know uh louise is extremely upset pointing out a pickup and two or three other cars on the road that were away from there they could see and she said they're the ones who are giving us trouble all those people we can see in the distance there including the teenagers i guess uh or other

teenagers now lois says that he was frightened during the incident and he says you know the cop showed up and i told him what happened that's it louise stone says that she called the sheriff's office three times because of ongoing harassment but that that Martin didn't arrive until after the last call. And he says, quote, I was patrolling the area when the call came in. I called a highway patrolman for backup and we went to the house. There were no vehicles. And besides the stones, besides the stones, there was no evidence of foul play. So no vehicles besides there's no evidence of foul play.

He pulled up at the house. He said, quote, I seen a man and a woman and some car had pulled in. That was the one. I heard a man down the road say I told him I had had a call about the shooting. He said a man told me he fired a single shot to, quote, scare them kids off. And Martin asked the man for the shotgun and it was quickly retrieved so he ends up giving the shotgun over lloyd does so 9 30 p.m according to louise here the sheriff drove off uh drove in and told her that he would take care of the situation for us and to go on in the house

i don't know what the fuck that there's been a shooting and he goes i'll take care of it y'all just go on in the house what the fuck is There's been a shooting. And he goes, I'll take care of it. Y'all just go on in the house. What the fuck is happening here? Seriously. It's all coming apart. So she said, so we did. This was about 930. They'd been there a little while.

About an hour later, the sheriff and several deputies came back. That's when he went and called the highway patrol. The sheriff told us there'd been a report of some shooting and asked us to take our shotgun, which we gave to him. The deputies and one highway patrolman stayed here drinking coffee and watching the cars and pickups go by as fucking dozens more cars and kids came by to yell shit. But they saw the sheriff's car there and left. Right. But you also have word spreading that somebody got shot there. So there's going to be so many kids showing up now. There's witches.

So many kids. That's plenty enough to get kids. And they're murdering people. So many more kids. Oh, and you have very, very soon, like within 24 hours, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Mexican people. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're not happy with this at fucking all.

They want justice. The pickup truck is ruined. That's the other thing. You ruined my new truck. mexican people oh yeah oh they're not happy with this at fucking all they want and a man's pickup truck is ruined that's the other thing you ruined my new truck that's a lot you shot my daughter and my truck like he lost everything that night that's one man all gone i mean honestly because you know we're we're yeah he was a nice guy and tried to be a nice guy i feel bad for these fucking kids man jesus i we've all done jerk off shit like this when we were kids. Yeah, but you can't. We've all done it. You don't expect to get shot for it.

That's what I'm saying. We've all done it and we're all still here. None of us took a shotgun pellet to the temple. So it's it's tough. 10 40 is when Martin, the sheriff, obtains a warrant from the justice of the peace to search everything 12 15 and 12 30 a.m now louise stone says sheriff martin and a county judge return with a search warrant and inform the stones that a girl was i like country judge and a country judge i don't know if it said a country judge. He's like a judge that like, who knows?

He's one of them country judges. He's just got like an in the field judge stand. You go up to him and he grants things. He's just over there dipping biscuits in country crock. I don't know what goes on in West Texas. This is how non-West Texas informed I am. Nothing happens. Not a lot, apparently.

So this is when they inform him they inform the stones that there's a girl that's been killed they don't even know about it till 12 30 that someone's dead so there's no like next door app or anything like that that you can go on and oh that girl died so the the stone sign sign the permission to search for him they just give consent to search which they didn't even need the warrant after that, even though they went and got it. So both houses are searched, Ruby's and Loy and Louise's. They tell the Stones to take Ruby with them and go stay in a motel because they got to tear everything up. There's a murder investigation.

And, you know, if you want to get any sleep tonight, if you want mom to get some sleep take her to a hotel basically so uh the search turns up another shotgun in the barn but this is the one that's described as rusty and inoperable so that's it's just been in the barn collecting rust here so uh she said that when louise said that when the sheriff asked for their shotgun because this was they were asked for the shotgun before they knew that anybody had died so So she said that she was, quote, very curious about that, like why they would want our shotgun, but didn't learn until much later that night that someone had actually been shot on the property. That's her claim, anyway. So talking to the teens here, Arthur Herrera says that when they arrived there, he says they got there at nine o'clock later on

which her time of death that's her time of death is right like 856 or something so they possible it's completely impossible they got there around eight o'clock that's what happened but not nine o'clock which i mean you know your watch who knows so it's close over there it's not right on the thing so is it right at the edge of the time difference i don't know i have no idea so maybe he set his clock forward instead of backwards and didn't realize yeah paul does that's what it is oh my god yeah and he did it and he did it a couple weeks early too like a jackass that's the problem that's you have to do it when everyone else does it that's the issue i understand i'll do james i like to be a rebel sometimes too but time is not one of those you gotta gotta be in step with everyone on that one we're gonna have people soon that aren't gonna

do that nope it's but it's 11 o'clock to me it's 11 to me i don't give a fuck very close i show up i show up when my watch says it's that time like what time doesn't really exist it's a construct a man you know oh my god be here at 10 you fucking asshole what do you follow dan rather on twitter yeah tell you that damn times people trying to tell me that there's a i don't see no clock in space that's all i'm saying all i'm saying nothing but that uh so he uh he says yeah nine o'clock he says it was two hours after dark he said he claimed to see someone heard one of the girls scream and then heard a sound that he thought was rocks being kicked up by the tires followed by breaking glass in the passenger side window as he backed up okay and uh so this is the one where he says he doesn't know how

he turned the light off he just knows that he could have moved his knee could have bumped it could it might have been fumbling for something i don't know i could have done anything well he doesn't even say he heard that he just said he heard one of the girls scream then heard a sound that he thought was rocks being kicked up by tires so he didn't even say he heard a shotgun blast that's the other yeah half the kids don't say they didn't heard a shotgun blast that's the other yeah half the kids don't say they didn't hear a shotgun blast that's the other thing that is fascinating and that's their original statement too that's his statement that night so this is what's interesting and there's an hour a fucking hour between a and b which is the fuck were they doing i don't know i don't know

that's the thing there's so many theories to this. So we'll get into the evidence and we'll find out. So the case presented here, they're talking about they don't know what exactly to do here. There's several differing accounts of all sorts of shit. Number one, all the things we told you times nobody took notes. Oh, there's also differing accounts of whether there was a search warrant actually served or used. Differing accounts on whether the Stones were ever informed of their Miranda rights at all while they were being questioned. Sheriff says he doesn't remember giving them to him. I don't remember giving them a reading in the Miranda rights.

Well, someone has to. Jesus. There's a fucking. This is why there's procedure. So even when it's small stuff, you do the procedure. So then when a big thing comes along, you know the procedure and you don't fuck it up like this. You fucking moron. So I'm sorry, but this guy's an idiot. Don't be sorry.

This is dumb. This is Sheriff Granville. Martin is a fuck up in this particular case. I don't know. He might be a wonderful man otherwise, but right here he's a dickhead. So he fucking blew it hard so um he says that he um doesn't know if they were informed of their rights during the initial search uh he also he doesn't know if the unmarked the they didn't even okay there's evidence there's a procedure when you get evidence you know like a possible

murder weapon you have to catalog it you bag when you get evidence, you know, like a possible murder weapon. You have to catalog it. You bag it. You tag it. You write that down. There's a log and it all goes together so you can make sure it all matches up. He says they didn't really do any. They just took the shotgun and put it down. They didn't like log it or like, you know, enter it into evidence, give it a number or do anything like that.

you know enter it into evidence give it a number or do anything like that he said that the un he wasn't sure if the unmarked shotgun unmarked just a shotgun obtained from the stones that night was the same gun later admitted into evidence at the trial not positive not positive uh also there's an argument back and forth of whether number six or number seven and a half pellets were found in the truck after the shooting they're not sure the sheriff's department's got differing reports on it unbelievable there are reports that there are both there which would be impossible from the one shotgun because two shots or i mean you can put two shells and have different ones that are different right why would you load it with but it's why would you load it with two different loads that

are that close though probably you know shotguns yeah those aren't that far apart to be like we'll do one of these then one of these they're like they're pretty close six and seven and a half so you ran out of boxes of that one and you just had one left yeah ones. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So they, now, Loy and Louise, their story now is, at first it was we didn't fire any shots. Now they have a story that they fired once into the air, up into the air, while yelling at the intruders to leave or they would shoot. Those things came down fast.

Get the hell out of here. Boom. Fast and close. Fast and precision. Jesus. Yet the pickup truck is hit twice oh uh firearms expert from the state then comes in maybe someone who has a shit together a little bit more and he will later testify he found both number six and number seven and a half pellets in the truck so uh by the way all of the shotgun shells that they took from the stone's house they have the shotgun and all the shells they're all loaded with number six

pellets okay they didn't find a seven and a half pellet in the fucking house at all so not even a shell for it outside not even nothing nothing number six all the way. Yet there's two different ones. Everybody heard one shot or no shots, but at least just one. Nobody heard two. Yet there's two halls and it took an hour to get to the hospital. You starting to possibly what's going down? Get another theory of maybe the kids got out of there. Something else happened. I don't know what, but something else happened and they and they decided fuck it let's blame it on the witches and i don't want to i'm not trying to blame the obvious victim of a murder they're teenagers so we've all done shit we don't want to say we were here when this happened or you know what i mean like we've all had dumb stories i don't know what happened the thing that's the thing someone must have did it so they um yeah it gets very fucking complicated with the with the science of this whole thing. But still, no one's been arrested at all. They found three unspent shells.

And later, they netted five spent shells from all over the property, not from right there. I mean, yeah, and a rusty old shotgun that was unusable. November 2nd, so, comes around. It was the day after the big search and everything. The Stones, including Ruby Stone, all of them, they go to the county sheriff's office where they're questioned separately. When they return home,

they find police chief Joe Ben Mitchell and a deputy sheriff and the county probation officer walking around their property. Why the county probation officer's in on this, I have no fucking idea. I just don't think they have a large crew here. They don't have a deep bench in this town, I don't feel like. They have some responsibility.

Yeah. They're walking around their property taking measurements and shit. That's when they seize the rusty shotgun, and the sheriff ends up returning later and we're and questioning ruby stone on the property there so around around november 3rd comes around the next day and this is the memorial for roxanne they uh school is a half day everybody gets out everybody goes to the memorial it's a big thing it's a small school there's less than 500 kids there so everybody's they all know her it's a famous

thing yeah um so they said that after as the investigation went on during this funeral there are loud demands for an arrest the they want a fucking arrest There's a thousand people at this funeral. Angry fucking Mexican people that want a goddamn arrest. Bad. Martin, the sheriff, said, quote, I had a lot of Spanish people wanting to know why we didn't have an arrest. That's his fucking thing there. He said that the schools, they closed at noon and all the people followed everybody over to the church. They said about Roxanne, quote, she was never in any trouble until Monday when, just like other teenagers, she went out to have some fun. Then all of a sudden she was hit.

You know, the kids are sobbing. This is terrible for 15 year old fucking kids. You don't expect this to happen. So the man, it's at this moment during the whole thing. Oh, by the way, the there's some representatives of the Brown Berets have come in as well. What the hell is that? That's like a militant Mexican-American. Oh, my God.

Chicano movement. Yeah. If you if you read about Oscar Acosta, the hunter's friend, he talks a lot about about that he was down with like the brown pride movement of that time and all that shit if curtis salewa got shit done kind of yeah it's it's one of those so they're those people they come in and they start they offer we'll get you justice if they don't if you don't get it from the police and shit like that so it's getting to a boiling point here where you know it's getting civil war yeah yeah it's it's it's crazy so um what ends up happening during the uh during the whole uh memorial the sheriffs come and arrest the stones during the memorial so i don't know if they did that then to say holy shit if we don't do this now they're gonna go from the memorial

these people's fucking house or we better arrest them or i don't know there's been a shooting on their property let's arrest them and figure out what happened we have their that's something police work they are they're released within an hour on fifty thousand dollars bond both of them um they left jail at 5 30 p.m sorry four and a half hours after the police showed up at their house to arrest them. They were leaving jail, bonded out already. So, yeah, they're there. End up being indicted, both of them on two on murder and two counts of aggravated assault. Right.

As both Louise and Loy. Right. Indicted. They get five probably because there's five kids in that fucking truck. But go on. Yeah. Yeah. At least attempted or something. So they,

uh, they want to move the, they want to move the, uh, the trial, uh, trial obviously to a different location. So,

uh, one of the witnesses here, there's a problem. There's a witness that they come up with. It's one of the teenagers in a different car. This was the white car. Uh, this was a, this was a teenager near there that was parked down the road at the same time they said that they also heard a single shot and that's a distance too where you wouldn't hear rocks and shit but you

would hear one echoing shotgun shot that's what you would hear so that's actually a much better point advantage point for sound reasons if you want to hear a gunshot she also said she saw a white car um that was parked by the road at the same time now the white car is probably the sheriff's car oh that one too yeah the pickup's red yeah so but didn't that boy have his brother with him too yes he did that's the other thing we don't know so he was up front ahead of them so uh Terry Moore, her name is 19. She told of seeing the white car in the vicinity when she drove past the home on Halloween night. She said the white car was parked nearby when she saw a pickup truck come out of the Stones driveway very fast.

She said the driver of the white car stopped the car in which she and three other teenagers were riding and said that he identified himself as Sheriff Granville Martin. So her her recollection is that the sheriff was there during the shooting. When. Wow. Which no one else says that except for this person. Interesting. But does she have a call log? I don't know about her call log.

That's what I mean. But this seems like it's just shifted. Also, when did they talk to this person? They didn't talk to her that night. Time shift. And I don't mean that somebody would lie on purpose. She could be trying to do her best, but your memory loses things. And, you know, it's that lined up there.

Was that happened before or after that happened? A 19-year-old with shitty West Texas weed in 1978. fucking knows yeah drinking fucking boone's farm you don't know what happened who has any idea so yeah she said that but she claims not only did the sheriff talk to her the sheriff told her and her companions quote someone's been shot and you better leave so they're saying that the sheriff was there knew about the shooting and fucking was shooing people away like directly during and after the shooting that's which i don't see how there'd be a shooting like a shotgun shooting while the police are there unless i don't know what the fuck's going on here this is so confusing so that sounds there's so many theories yeah there's so many theories or maybe that's the only correct one and fucking you know

maybe the sheriff buck shots at this i don't know what the fuck happened i'm not that i'm accusing him but who knows we have no idea there's two different shotguns every fucking texas sheriff probably carries a shotgun in the front of their car yeah you know so i don't know but not that i think that happened i'm just saying anything is possible so the stones claim innocence they contend they're innocent um they said uh one thing the tragedy has accomplished though is to give attention to witchcraft they're happy about that there's a silver lining there is a silver lining has got a lot of attention to stand up right now that's what i mean it happens so you know even fucking, there's no such thing as bad publicity is what they're saying.

That's the ultimate murdering a teenager. No such thing as bad publicity. That's terrible. Jeffrey Dahmer got a lot of attention on home culinary ability. He really, really did. And Ambrosia Chocolate Factory chocolate. Try some of that chocolate. So they said that, you know, it's been tough on them with this whole thing.

People threatening them. They said they've had ulcers and high blood pressure and insomnia and threats of having their house burned down, threats of being hanged, threats of being shot. Yeah. down. Threats of being hanged. Threats of being shot. Yeah. People are they get like letters and shit. They said go on. Yeah. And they said they're going to have to sell their land or a bunch of their land to pay for their attorney's fees as well.

Lice Lice says it this way. Quote I feel like I've been swimming in molasses unless you've been accused of of murdering a 15-year-old girl, you have no idea how I feel. It's a very good point. Yeah, I don't know how that feels because I've never been around a dead 15-year-old girl, thankfully. Knock on wood. I never am. That's what I mean. That seems like a situation I could probably keep myself out of.

Yeah. Real easy. It's not an accident. Seems like you've got to go out of your way to be around a dead 15-year-old girl. That's what I'm saying. Really, you have to probably cause it most of the time. So a week after their arrest,

they started getting a ton of donations to their defense fund. Between $5 and $20, cash in the mail. Go for it. Also, a variety of psychic impressions from friends elsewhere in the country that know what's going to happen for them there. Also, they performed their own divination using the pendulum method as well, they said. On October 10th, 77, Louise asked the pendulum, I guess it's like a magic eight ball, was the girl killed here?

And the pendulum said no. And then she asked, did they go from here to the hospital directly? And it said no. Case dismissed. Case dismissed. We have a, your honor, I call the pendulum. I call the pendulum and an oracle to the stand. I call a pendulum and this lady so

they say they've gotten support too they said quote we've gotten a surprising number of calls and letters from quote good christian people saying they'd pray for us we really deeply appreciate those people this to me is the way christianity ought of ought to work he says um he says yeah they're trying to move it to plain view and all this type of shit. They said that he has the charges. He can go from anywhere to five from five to ninety nine year sentences. His range of sentencing here for the charges he has. There's a lot of leeway here, I would say.

They said that as the as it closes in, everyone wants to get it over with. The prosecutor said, it's a strange case. Very sad. I would say so. Now, other Wiccans, some of them come to his defense. Some of them take to the papers to call him and her mail-order witches. They're mail, or not mail-order order mail-in witches they're not real right they're fucking fake five dollar five dollars five minute what is i don't know where

you fucking get ordained online that's what they're calling yes they said that he's being criticized called a mail-in or a mail order witch yeah they uh which sounds like a witch that you buy to have sex with that sounds gross so it sounds like Elvira pops up at your door. Hi, like a blast. Very weird. So they said that, uh,

you know, they're not like them. They're mail order witchcraft because they joined after taking a correspondence course, a correspondence course that costs a hundred dollars. It was a year long course, actually. So it wasn't like a, yeah,

they had to constant do shit um the herman slater who calls himself a high priest in earth star a welsh traditional coven okay he says uh quote it's pop folk magic it's garbage by the way this guy owns a store in new york city specializing in occult objects. So he said it's pop folk magic. Would you like to buy this fucking pendulum? That's what he just said. That's pop folk magic.

Can I interest you in some incense? Yeah. It's good for your spells. I have a dragon here that you put cone incense in and the smoke comes out of his nose. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. He said the Wiccans members are not witches. They claim to be hereditary Welsh traditionalists, but their practices in their witches Bible

are not witchcraft as I know it. He says in witchcraft, no money is allowed to change hands. He says everybody in the country is upset over what he called, quote, Wicca's materialism. That's what it's known for, really. It's just sucking the money out of people always. Wiccan. It's Wiccan selling shit to do this stuff. Wow.

Hypocrite. Does he give that shit away? That's like a different, that's like a meta hypocrite. It really is. You're like, whoa, man, that's fucking, that's deep, bro. You're going so far for your hypocrisy, mister. You like mock your customers, man. Wow.

Fuck, man. He said that, what is this here? He says that most covens worship a female goddess. He says, quote, without the goddess, they have nothing. I mean, fucking dummies, right? It's like anything else. They think they're going to have a coven without a goddess. These fucking people, they're going to have a coven without a goddess.

Who do they think they are, these fucking people? What's wrong with them? What's Islam without Buddha? Or Buddha? Muhammad. Let's just leave it at that, Jimmy. Let's leave it at that. What's Islam without Buddha? Let's not.

Let's not anger every single everything. That was the most blasphemous thing I've ever said. That was terrific. Well, I mean, who the fuck do you care? No, that's the other thing. What's Catholicism? Without the goddess, they have nothing. Punks.

They also say you don't have to believe in magic to make it work. Belief is 90% of it. True. Listen, and to prove it to you, I have an item over here on the shelf that you're going to love. 10% off this week. I put it aside for someone who I really feels like gets this. You know what I mean? I think you're the one.

They said that while most covens emphasize the healing powers of herbs, Wicca members are, quote, very big into vitamins, he says. He says instead of growing rose hips, they're buying vitamin C at the drugstore. They're buying vitamin C and they don't even they don't even have a fucking goddess jimmy they're buying vitamin c with no goddess what a bunch of fucking posers like right like losers you don't even have a goddess with your vitamin c tablets you pussies fuck man so the predictions start to roll in from the their friends uh in the occult world here they've all done their own little readings and uh we have some uh a tarot card reader in phoenix wrote to

the stones on november 4th 1977 so like right then said quote both the cards and my psychic impressions indicate that you will not repeat not be convicted of any major crime in connection with this incident. Yeah. They said that some people said, quote, I think the killing was done for a much, much deeper reason. The fact that you're members of the craft was just a convenience for the people who did it okay so they're saying that this was done for a whole other reason and you're just a an easy scapegoat because you're you know you're witches so um several people sent them different maps marked with like where this the real murder occurred and with drawings of the real murder site one especially detailed little

rendition uh accompanied by a hand-drawn map if you get a detailed thing in a hand-drawn map from someone who's never been to any of that shit fucking keep an eye on that person because they're dangerous are all of them the same all of them consistent because if not we got a that'd be amazing if they all lined up it's it's a it's a i'd believe it then yeah you gotta think they said the the around the hand-drawn map it said quote area she was killed in there is a large grove of trees like cottonwoods there is a gravel road to a dirt lane over a culvert that leads there. A single unbroken fence is on your left as you travel on the gravel road. The psychic continued. It feels that they feel that this place is to be is within two to five miles of the stone's house.

So Louise photocopied all of this that were sent to her and everything else and pass them on to the other people in their network you know to give a whole thing other was roxanne other theories came in was roxanne pregnant was she killed by a jealous boyfriend who caught her in the car with other guys and ridiculous just you know who knows the we don't know any better than anybody skepticism a pendulum guy uh bill finch and his associate uh in sedona arizona obviously psychic mary atkinson feel the visit we've we've been there it's it's fucking ridiculous there oh god there's just it's just old ladies in turquoise selling each other crystals it's all it is man it's in like flowy dresses selling each other shit. And some dude that just wants to smoke weed

and drive a pink Jeep with tourists around. It's great. It's an awesome little town. And bang, 55-year-old lady. We went to this restaurant that had this dude working. It's called the Cowboy Club and the waiter,

we've been there like three times and the waiter's the same guy every time. The restaurant is amazing. He's probably about 30. Yeah. And if you go, you sit on like the nice side with the booths. He'll wait on. He's got like a cowboy hat, and he's like, let me tell you what we got there.

It was buffalo chops. We've got a Demiglace on that. Blah, blah, blah. And he's, let me do that. He keeps doing that. And then he walked away one time. I go, how much middle-aged tale does this guy get like it's for no groups of ladies that come out here he's like i'll take all three we'll go back to my place it's a studio apartment

your hotel room's probably nicer that's okay make about 150 a week that's cool i'll bet you he's got a standing room with the amara down the way where you got the fucking oak creek canyon trickling by while he just bangs out these just hammering i think so i think so so that's way off the subject so anyway that's what he is so every every time he walks away we crack up laughing how you doing all right how much is he slaying here tell you about your specials tonight pretty good that's exactly how he talks man he uh he said that uh they worked with the investigator these are the pendulum and the sedona psychic lady with investigator sneed to blend psychic and shoe level invest and shoe leather investigative techniques so we're going to mix the psychic with the actual private investigator and uh he said that uh quote arthur he he did the like a pendulum reading on all the teenagers and he said quote this is funny not funny who knows

arthur herrera quote self-centered not trustworthy possibly been in trouble before more distrustworthy than not thinks about sex all the time. That's the only one that I know is true. He's 18 years old. He definitely thinks about sex all the time. Other than that, I don't know any of this shit. Guess who's 40 and that shit ain't changed. Right?

I was going to say, because it hasn't changed in fucking over 20 years, so it's not changing ever probably, especially when you're 18. He said said did possibly give a shotgun to someone else possibly borrowed a shotgun oh that's their thing uh sneed and the psychics visited an empty house a few miles from the stone's residence that the psychics suggested might be the actual murder scene he obtained permission from the owner to search it and discovered a mattress upstairs numerous empty beer and liquor bottles, and the evidence of target shooting outside. It's a place where kids go to drink and fuck and shoot guns. In West Texas.

In West Texas. site near this abandoned house where he learned of from Joe Rojas, Rio who was 20, who was a friend who had driven ahead of the group's pickup to show them where the Stones lived. This location's an abandoned gravel pit known to the locals

as Shotgun Canyon. And it was the site for partying in Target. Kids would go there, drink beer, and shoot shotguns and shoot guns off. That was what it was. He reported seeing, quote, all kinds and sizes of expended shotgun shells, shot up old car body, and other items. Yeah, because that's what it is. But they don't know that they went there.

That's the thing. So, anyway, he just knew of the existence from that kid. He didn't say they went there afterwards. So Halloween 79 comes up. The trial still hasn't happened yet. Another year later. Yeah, another year later, and people are fucking pissed. They're really pissed.

They want the trial to go on, but there's a lot of motions involved here. Sheriff Granville Martin says, quote, we're sitting on a powder keg up here. Then he says, if they want violence violence we'll meet him so he's saying the mexicans are mad and if they're going to come for us we'll fucking fight with them that's what he said basically like this isn't the 1800s no it's fucking calm down so i'm not forgotten the alamo james i absolutely not because he doesn't remember how that went no shit to say it's written under the brim of his hat how can he forget also these are americans that are gonna fight him yeah that's the other thing plenty

calm down mister yeah so um it said that said that it's getting more toward Halloween. There's reporters coming. There's fucking kids that want to drive by and all this type of shit. One of the attorney for the Stones, Travis Shelton, he's former president of the 32,000 member Bar Association. Oh, wow. And he's Stone's attorney. He declared his clients off limits to reporters leave them alone as the publicity builds before halloween there's gonna they're gonna have

enough trouble here they say in the paper though that they will continue to follow their religion the way they feel is best lloyd said quote we're not going to be driven underground. So it doesn't give a fuck. Now, a deposition is taken at some point here because there's a civil case going on, too, that we'll talk about. Deposition, Adriana Rangel, one of the 15-year-olds in the car. I believe she's the one. Sitting to the next side. Yeah. Sitting next to the driver, between the driver and Roxanne. So Adriana, she said in her deposition

that she and other kids had been, quote, talking about devil worshipers during the week before Halloween and that another student said that she had cruised by the Stones' house with her uncle looking for devil worshipers earlier in that month. So this was like, people were just, this was the activity to do. Go look at them.

Yeah. In Hereford, the students were, and if anybody cares how I fucking said that, I don't care. I cringe when I hear him say, we don't, no one's ever heard of this town. You cringe? Do you? People say that all the time. I cringe every time he said that name. Do you care, really?

Because no one else does. Outside of the 3,000 people that live wherever the you care, really? Because no one else does. Outside of the 3,000 people that live wherever the fuck you're talking about, no one cares. No one. We don't even know it exists. Never mind fucking care how you say it. So if you're in Hereford or Hereford or Hereford and you care, fuck you. So anyway. If you're in that area of Texas and you're that specific about how to pronounce that.

Calm the fuck down. Yeah, because someone says it with like eight more vowels and syllables than it needs from Texas. It doesn't matter. Yeah, Harper. He said, I and four other of the students here decided to go see the devil worshippers at Old Man Stone's house. Wow. 48. Old Man Stone. house. Wow. 48. Old Man Stone.

I love that shit. Old Man Stone. That cracks me up. 48. 48. And an old lady with a shotgun. 47. She's 36, but you know, she looks terrible. This girl continues, we drove down to his house, slowed down when we got to it to look

at the S on the door and the picture of an eye in his window i guess there's a picture of some kind of eyeball and picture yeah he said he turned around for a second pass and saw a man standing in the bar in the borrow ditch i guess a ditch i don't know that is. He thought he heard a shot but found no damage to his car. This is another person in front. This is Paul Andrew Bell described this. The other one was Adriana, and this one is Paul Andrew Bell who said he drove by there. And he said that he thought he heard a shot when he went there, too.

Totally different day. But he said that he found no damage to his 1977 tan Chevrolet Monza. Piece of shit. Tan. Another girl who made repeated trips to the house thought someone chased her car and shot at it, but then there was no nothing hit. Nobody hit anything. So it sounds like a lot of shots fired into the air that we're getting at. Everybody hears shots, but no things ever hit. Nobody hit anything. So it sounds like a lot of shots fired into the air that we're getting at.

Everybody hears shots, but nothing's ever hit. Or a terrible shot. Other kids admitted to multiple trips and to knocking on the door and asking questions of Ruby Stone. What the fuck is wrong with you? They were harassing her. Like, you love the devil and all this type of shit. And she's like, huh? I'm an old lady.

I don't know what you're talking about. So 1980 comes around. They're finally going to have the trial, but they need a change of venue here. They're going for that. They said they're going to have to examine prospective jurors closely. A lot of people are not familiar with the Church of Wicca is what they say here. So they they don't know how they're going to fucking do that. So they they don't know how they're going to fucking do that.

They say that in the in the request for change of venue, they get a defense investigator, William Sneed of Allstate Securities Industries, Inc. He noted that approximately 90 percent of the people in Dimit had formed the opinion that the Stones were guilty of murder. Approximately 10 percent of the people were not sure who killed Roxanne Casas, and some of them suspected the sheriff as the murderer, which that's a theory we came up with. Approximately 10% of the people were of the opinion that the Stones would receive a fair trial. 10% said that. So the people in the community knew them as good people was also that he found. So too many people know about this shit.

They move it to Plainview, Texas. Getting a jury is a problem for them. Finding a jury that works is a real fucking issue because everybody's heard about this shit and everything. They need to pick 12 of these. They need a panel of 32 jurors is what they're looking for for replacements and shit. So, yeah, they said once 32 are selected, the defense and prosecution each get to strike 10. And, you know, that leaves whatever.

That leaves 12 total. There's your jury. So, yeah, they end up doing that. They're not giving jurors exact dates, though. None of this is organized. None of this is organized. None of this. At one point, they're moving around which courtroom it's at, and Loy tells the paper, I hope somebody lets us know where we're supposed to be.

There's no fucking idea. The defendant has no idea where he's supposed to be. Yup. No shit. They question the jurors closely looking for bias. Their questions were designed to detect bias against, for or against, witchcraft, Hispanics, or law enforcement. Oh, my. Which in Texas, you're probably going to get for or against all of those things. Yeah.

In Texas, I'm going to take a run out on a limb. Nay, nay, yay is what I'm going to say on those probably. Just off the top of my head in west texas so um they're the way they're going to proceed with the case on it's uh circumstantial evidence pretty much here that's that's all it is they don't have any real evidence all they've got is a body and a shotgun and the the physical evidence isn't great it doesn't convict anybody by any physical. No, it's as contradictory as it is inculpatory.

You know what I mean? It's everything. So it's it's all sorts of shit here. So the one of the witnesses, Arthur Herrera, the driver who's very important, is gone by the trial. He's gone back to Mexico and they can't find. Oh, no. So he's not a witness anymore. And they, quote, lost his statement

he made at the deposition. They lost it. They fucking lost it. How do you lose shit? Get a folder in a fucking filing cabinet. I don't lose shit and I'm disorganized as fuck. This is terrible, man. So anyway,

he said, as to the witchcraft quote, it's going to come in. The prosecutor says, if I don't bring it in, the defense will have to, or the reason for the incident will be incomprehensible to the jury. You can't just say teenagers just love to fuck with these people. Why?

Why do they keep coming there? So they said that, everybody wants to get it over with. The prosecutor said, uh, like I said, it's a strange case. He said there's no way you can take any you can take away the tragedy. Anybody who would give anything in the world to undo this.

But we're not we're not given that power. It's a case that needs to be tried. The defense, they can't argue there's an alibi. They have to. He said he was there. He said he was outside. They are trying to find the alternative murder scene by psychic means. can't argue there's an alibi they have to he said he was there he said he was outside um they are trying to find the alternative murder scene by psychic means that's not going to work out probably

very much um they said that you know they could have said that your defense is that you fired the shot you killed you shot him by accident and uh you know you you you did it by accident. Self-defense. You thought they were coming after you. You thought they were going to try to burn your house down. So one reporter speculated the trial may revolve around a law that permits the use of deadly force to protect property in certain cases, including malicious mischief. So that's what they're saying. That's what the press thinks they're going to do here. They they end up there. They're going to have to testify about all the harassment that they've encountered.

More than that, the defense attorney and the prosecutor at one point here hammer the sheriff's fucking management. I mean, they go after him for his bullshit of the investigation, inconsistencies in the testimonies. All the teenagers have different stories of course teenagers in different cars have different stories at different times different cars different shots the sheriff has a completely different story the stones have another i have a third story yeah there's like five stories floating around and none of them match up and none of them make any sense none of them all we know none compliment each other they're all nope they're all fucked they're all fucked out and all we know is that that this

poor girl's dead and that's it so they also hammer on him for the sheriff failed to supervise the investigation leaving deputies and officers from other agencies to pick up bits and pieces of evidence at random he sees the stone shotgun did not record its serial number or log it into evidence leading to a failure to properly identify it in court when it's tried to be introduced into evidence right because that's the thing about serial numbers they identify a gun to that particular fucking gun it's crazy uh the chief chief joe ben bob job jim charlie who old dale bill he had taken pictures and investigated the pickup as it sat outside the emergency room collecting shotgun pellets and bits of flesh gross claimed martin the sheriff was not really interested in what he found

basically he's like i don't care Meanwhile, Martin's questions questioning of the teens consisted of, quote, Are you the kids in the pickup? Have you been shot? Are you OK? That's all he asked. Wow. The defense tried to make the testimony of the sheriff about the first night search inadmissible because the Stones had not had their legal rights read to them which the prosecutor responded it didn't matter since they signed a permission form so this fucking sheriff all week he's on the stand getting grilled i mean by everybody well why didn't you do that well it would help a lot if you would have fucking did that stupid why'd you

run for this job if you don't want it yep uh he said that mrs stone was outside pointing to two cars and doing all that we already talked about that joe ben gets on the stand and he they question him as well uh he testifies that he was at the castro county courthouse night of the shooting uh when martin questioned those who'd been picked up uh he said that uh he said he asked he said martin asked gars if he'd been hit by the shotgun blast blast when gars replied he had martin asked are you okay uh martin then asked them y'all know anything y'all know anything that's that was that's the questioning in a murder investigation y'all know anything because i'm here to make fun of you nerds if you do i'm gonna beat you up see if you can catch a football first.

They said no, and that was that. They said that was the, then they asked the Joe Bob or Jim Ben or whatever fuck his name is. That was the extent of the sheriff's questioning, and he said that was it. Wow. Literally, y'all know anything. And he said no, and he was like, all right. Wow. Y'all know anything. And he said, no. And he's like, all right. Wow. Y'all know anything?

That's really thorough investigation. Now, the teens here, the prosecutor asks Garza if anything unusual happened while he and the others were at the Stone House that night. He said, quote, they killed Roxanne. And they said that happened on the Stone's property. And he said, yes. He testified again that an old woman in her 40s carried a gun from behind the pump house near the road and stood in front of the vehicle. That witness said that he heard only one shot. Another passenger testified that she saw a man who was, quote, the biggest man I ever saw. So, an old lady and the biggest man on the planet a big a nine foot tall man

and a and a shriveled up little old lady came out now he is a he is a big fucking guy but still he's not the biggest man you've ever seen it's texas there's bigger people than that so yeah he's this passenger says that she saw him step out the biggest man she ever saw from behind the pump house and immediately before the two shots were fired. So she doesn't know if he fired the shots or somebody else was shot. Somebody else fired the shot. There's discrepancies of whether it's one shot or two shots. Discrepancies where it came from. The time is all fucked up.

The evidence. They don't even know if they have the murder weapon they have no fucking clue they have a gun there that's something what are they gonna do about this this is fucking crazy so the first witness that uh for them that comes up here is uh uh lloyd lloyd is going to testify as well he um uh he another witness says that he heard somebody say you'd better get the hell out of here or i'll shoot you at one point from the house um maria travino says that they were about to go see some witches on halloween night that's what they were yeah they went to the carnival then

we're gonna go to the witch house but they couldn't find it that's when they met a carload of kids that knew where it was and took them there. And the guy said, oh, this is a place I buy eggs. She said, I didn't know it was the place. I just didn't know they had turned on their signal light because they said they met a carload of friends. She said that the car's right turn indicator light is how she saw them. I don't know what difference that makes. She said the friends kept going and the pickup pulled into the driveway. She said from out behind a bush, a man came out and stood in front of the pickup. He had on a gold colored shirt and he was tall and built big, real big,

more than I, more than I'd ever seen. It's another one here. And she said she couldn't see his face. And they said, was it the same size as,? And they objected, and it was sustained. So that was that. After that, she said one of the boys pushed her onto the floorboard, and she didn't remember anything else until the pickup truck was back on the main road. So she doesn't know anything about the shooting at all, she says. One of the boys in the car, in another car, Emilio Sandoval, said that he told of hearing the woman's voice. But on cross-examination, he said that they found out that you didn't say that in either of your previous two statements. This is the first time you've said you heard a woman's voice. Why is that?

And he said, I don't know. So it's tough, man. That's what it is. It's exhausting. Interesting that the teenagers, they also the district attorney's attitude toward the trial basically says, like, it's fucking weird. They say, like, hey, we understand that the kids because they talk about how these kids talk about how the teachers in school were talking about the witch people in class. Like, it's all anybody was talking about. So they're like, you know, this is the adult's fault for telling the teenagers all this shit and pumping their heads up. That's what the prosecutor said.

Lloyd tells the jury that he and his wife were standing in a cluster of trees next to the roadside along their property when they saw a pickup truck pull into their driveway. He said he walked between the trees and stood next to the pump house before stepping out to yell. He said, then I got out of the way because I didn't know what they were going to do. You don't want to get run over by the truck, he said then i got out of the way because i didn't know what they were going to do you don't want to get run over by the truck he said he uh he said that he and his wife were out in their yard doing all that shit he said it was so dark they quote couldn't see each other without speaking and uh he testifies that he yelled quote get the hell out of here and fired the gun into

the air with his shotgun he said he couldn't see the cab of the pickup because his vision was blocked by the pump house. So he said he saw them, then went behind the pump house and shot a fucking shot off from behind there into the air. So he said that he was behind the pump house, so he couldn't have hit the car because it was in the way between him and the car. Yeah, that's what he said. So he

said after he fired the warning shot, the truck backed out of the driveway and pulled away. He said he was surprised when cops came to his house later that night. He said, I wondered what in the world everybody was doing. He said that we spoke calmly for two and a half hours about the whole thing. He's on the witness stand now. He said that I asked them what they were looking for and they didn't say. He said he was frightened because a vehicle had driven by his house earlier and fired several shots in his direction and hit his mom's house.

No one was hurt. But that's why he keeps a shotgun outside now. And that's why they bought one. Because once somebody started shooting at him, district attorney asked him if he ever used the word witch to describe himself. He says, he says, quote, I don't go around carrying a banner. Religion is a very personal thing with me. If I was asked, depending on the manner in which it was asked, I may say I'm a witch, which is a great fucking way for a smart person to fucking run around a question on a dumb person or just someone who doesn't know what they're talking about in this perfect thing here. He says he doesn't believe in Satanism or any of that.

There's a missing juror for like a week the jury juror just disappears they have to stop the fucking trial it shows up because yeah it's just funny the uh the judge said he'd like to have 34 or 35 jurors just in case but they won't let him do that you know constitutions and all that's weird uh more t the defense offers testimony from three teens who were in another vehicle. They recounted seeing the mysterious white car and all that shit. Heard the shot when the sheriff was there. There's those teens.

Then a Department of Public Safety chemist analyzed the pellets taken from the girl's head and said he believes they were fired from the shotgun he examined. This is impossible to tell from the shotgun he examined this is impossible to tell from the shotgun by the way especially in 1977 this is ridiculous he also says that uh he testified that the five spent shells found on the stone's property were from the same weapon nobody didn't was even asking that we all assumed that although the shotgun was not tagged he said he could identify it as the one he took from stone even though he agreed there's probably at least 500 of this exact same shotgun in the fucking

county he said i know this one just in the county without the serial number i know a shotgun okay i can smell it sniff it out i can smell it let me taste presents that tastes like his salt that's the one stones present four character witnesses as well and that's the case the verdict comes in two hours and 20 minutes it takes them to come in seven women five men and uh here we go what do you think's gonna happen jimmy they're guilty of sin according to west texas law verdict comes in not guilty wow acquitted on everything they got it right i mean based on the evidence they don't have the evidence yeah they don't have the even if they did it which yeah that's they don't you need to at least fucking catalog the murder weapon as at a very minimum if you're going to convict people of murder this loss is on the

sheriff yeah this is the type of shit when they say like oh you know you know death penalty in texas is a little too willy-nilly because stuff like this happens where they're like i don't know it's the same gun we think so um one juror later on said quote we felt the evidence was lacking he said still quite a few ballots were taken before all 12 agreed on it so some people thought he did it see yeah that's what i mean that's what happened this should have been unanimous as they walked out the door we can just go back in right this is ridiculous yeah this is this is on this i mean even if we think he did it we can't actually convict people on this now roxanne's father raul the man who lost his daughter and his truck he said that he felt

pretty bad about the verdict i don't blame him it's his daughter he obviously wants somebody to get punished for it as we all this whole shit down he said i know darn well and it's quoted as darn i know darn well he shot her at close range too i know from the reports given on the angle of the shots i think it would have been different if there had been some mexicans on the jury that's the thing there was no mexicans on this they found all white jury yeah when they were when they got down to 32 only three of those people were mexican and then they got rid of them so there was that um he said for uh he said uh stone said quote for the casa's sake i would really like to know who did it.

That's what Loy said. June 5th, 1980, all the charges against Louise are dropped. They're all dropped. There is a civil suit, though, here. Maria Trevino is asking for $200,700 for medical bills and mental anguish. But in the end, she'll accept $2,250. That's a big difference. That's a very large.

That's 1% of what you asked for. It's not good. She devalued herself terribly. Adriana Rangel asked for $125,000 and got $750. Jesus Christ. That's not even 1%. Raul and Karen Casas sued for $77,000 plus $5,556.71

in truck repairs. Yeah. They settled for $2,000 the cost of Roxanne's funeral. Ridiculous. That's so sad, man. I'm sorry. That's fucking sad.

That's just so fucking sad. They couldn't even get his truck fixed. And he lost his daughter. Unbelievable. They lost their daughter. That's fucking sad they should that's just so fucking sad they couldn't even get his truck fixed and he lost his daughter they lost their daughter that's that's fucking horrible man but that's the settlement there um because he's acquitted on it so they don't have any leverage once the acquittal comes in there's no evidence i mean it's not even like an oj civil trial there's no fucking evidence october 20th 1980 though there's a Wicca seminar coming up and Lloyd and Louise are there after the trial. They're all about it. Yeah, it's the brochure advertising. The Wicca meeting states that the theme of philosophical unity was chosen because of the tremendous help from all sources that Ariane, who and Lloyd and Louise Stone received during these past three years.

and loy and louise stone received during these past three years yeah um at the same hotel there's going to be um there's going to be uh another seminar featuring a baptist convention which is fucking hilarious by the way i hope the the people checking people into their rooms are thoroughly uh amused all weekend. Fuck yeah. The Baptist church members said that they're, quote, asking for protection from the Lord so he can build a hedge around us. They have a pray in about this, a pray in. And this one woman who claims to be an ex San Francisco stripper and Wiccan who is now a Christian in West Texas. That's this one woman says about her um she says that they're having a pray-in to cancel the demonic forces that are on

hand here she said oh this is skip tarrant here he says we don't they say they don't want demonic spirits skip tarrant director of the international school of wicca says we don't want any demonic spirits either we have that in common that's pretty cool um we're here for a seminar not to cast circles put on robes and dance around fires most of us do that at one time or another but we do it at home i have a sense of humor these fucking people i like that much better now uh the pray-in here this is is Mrs. Mamau is her name. M-A-M-O-U. We're not here to interfere with their seminar at all. We feel like the spirits they will be calling on will be demonic.

If we stand together, our prayers of faith to the God Almighty will cancel these demonic forces. God damn it. Cancel them. Cancel them out. Demonic forces. If they don't cancel, we have made preparations to throw our protest against the convention. We will conduct a rally and let our voices be heard. The devil is a deceiver, and the Bible says he often appears as an angel of light.

They, the witches, may not be aware. They might not even be aware that they're demonic. So we got gotta help them she also said it's been evidenced lately in quote child rapes murders and the like that we don't need to have witches meeting holy shit we'll just conflate all that together so that is pretty fucking amazing there is bomb threats to this thing bomb threats are called in literal bomb threats people called in and said uh the witches came from everywhere the wiccans came from all over and they're like we didn't expect

to get bomb threats and a huge giant baptist protest 300 people from area churches gathered outside the hotel to sing and pray um she said uh judy mamau said quote i'm not going to sign a detente with the devil i'm going to fight the good fight of faith in my weapon is the word of God. She's into that shit. The Wiccan guy says, quote, Satan is part of the Christian belief. We're not Christian or anti-Christian, just other than Christian. The people that are protesting are misinformed. They go to Webster's Dictionary and get one view. and that tells you that this is how the word is commonly used.

Anyway, the Stones, though, they go to that. They attend that. But afterwards, their financial situation goes to shit. They spend all their money on defense. Louise continues to sell irrigation pipe repair equipment. But then in 1982, Loy is diagnosed with cancer which drains more of their money and in 1983 loy dies of cancer so he didn't make it very far yeah louise moved to amarillo and worked uh worked for another 10 years for a market research company before ending up moving to albuquerque and dying in 1970 1997 at the age

of 67 that's where you go to die so they're both yeah you die in albuquerque and uh there you go and roxanne cassis poor girl i mean either way no matter what happened no matter what the the finality of it is poor teenage kid went out for a night of fun on halloween and got fucking shot in the head. That sucks. I don't care what happened to her. That's just as terrible. I do care, but I mean, either way. The dad has to feel the worst because he gave up.

If he hadn't given that truck, maybe that car would have broken down before they got there. Who knows? And I'm sure that thought went through the dad's head because if you're as a father like you are, that would go through my head. I would think, what could i have done to change that and whatever i didn't do i'd blame myself for for the rest of my fucking life whether it was right or not to get there so smooth and easy fuck absolutely so that's a crazy story find your own theory because there's about a hundred of them anything could have happened but that's a halloween night haunted house which that's a fucking small town murder for halloween god damn it and you haven't heard that a hundred other places either that is a tree if i've ever heard it fuck yeah if you like that

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Is that who it is? Great British Bake Off or whatever the fuck it is. The guy named Rahul, an Indian guy, won the season. Was it Rahul Singh? Maybe. I hope so. I it Rahul Singh? Maybe. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so.

John Puchler? Puchler. Puchler. It's got to be. And Clay Thorson's wife, Melissa, had a birthday also. Happy birthday, Melissa. I hope you love it. Happy birthday to Melissa.

Make Clay do horrible shit in your benefit. Other producers this week are Amy Ambrose. She grew up mad poor and she got a mortgage. So congrats, you new homeowner. Congrats. Maria Rasper, Justine McNeil, James Marder, Corporal Carl Kirshner, Rabbi Shmuelovich, Peyton Meadows, Jimmy D. Nutz. I don't know what that's about.

Breaker Breaker Happy Hours is out there. So come on back. Excellent. Arthur's Uncle Peter and Aunt Pearl, James. Rachel Anderson, Kristen Bellinger, Dances with Vapes, Smelly Moccasins, Bobby Lee, Marianne Rodriguez, Eric Anen, Doug Jones, Hi Dylan, Maria Koop-Suesley, Lauren Sullivan, Terry Glover, Kelsey Kautz, Jennifer Luniewicz, Martins, Susanna Platt, Janice Hill, Emily McGinn. She got a new job, and she used the Towns reviews to pick it, and it worked.

She loves the place she's at. Hey, sweet. Congratulations, Emily. Emmeline Brumley blackjack mulligan and blackjack lanza just oh the blackjacks from the 70s very nice the tag team uh margaret eaton donates both ways thank you so much margaret thank you matt villain wave uh joseph raffino williams what william evans nancy weaver madelinezee, of the Frazee paint fortune, obviously. Vicki Royalston, Nora Othell-Korsgaard, Jacob Rolick, Brendan Schmelzle, what?

Matthew Phillips? No way that's Matt. Susanna Foster, Robbie King, Audras, with no last name, Kathy Henry, Madeline Shout, shoot, shit, shit. Is that shit? One of those, probably. Sally Buckingham, Damian Flynn, Wedge Wegman, Chase Fowler, Shannon Thrain, Ashton Davila, Patricia Nye, Don White, Tyler the Dirty Archaeologist.

I didn't know there was an A in archaeologist. Clinton McNally. Archaeologist. Two A's. Yeah, archaeologist. Clinton McNally. Archaeologist. Two A's. Archaeologist. That's what it is. Clinton McNally. Taylor Weir.

Sarah with no last name. Moongirl1029. Charlotte Mollo. Krista Ramirez. Scott with no last name. Tomper1. Jennifer Shit. That's shit.

S-C-H-E-Y-T-T. That's shit. Shite. Shit. Casey Alexis. BrianT. That's shit. Shit. Shit. Casey Alexis, Brian Easter, Connor Piper, Vicky Murphy, Michael Hughes, Megan Bracklesburg. Oh, boy. Tracy Vandenberg, Stephanie Gaunch. Gaunch.

Gaunchay. Jeff Cole, Demarcus Moreland, Lauren Armstrong, Nicholas Moore, Dakota Clement, Kat Malani, Biscuit the Cat, Judy Farmer, Rebecca Williams, Vicki Askew, Dylan Hayes, Ryan Winter. You're a little off on the Askew. Yeah. That's a joke. Sorry. All right. James McNierney, Cordell Norton, Kendra M., Fanny Boisvert, Jemisa. Jimmy's a whore.

Got it. All right. Hillary Schroeder. Rochelle Schilling. RJ. Amanda Payton. Zach Stevenson. Caitlin with no last name.

The eccentric prick. That's fun. JC. What the fuck? Sinjanini? No. Space Lizard. Britt.

Courtney Groening. Ryan Noble. Emily Dorton, Mary Rowe, Mustafa Anderson II, Random Death Meddler, Andrew Kearney, Dominique Watson, Joseph Simmons, Portia Sandal, Chris Kirby, Melissa Thompson, Zane Royer, Rachel Mosley, I think so, Michael Klein, Lane Price, Brian Lerwill, oh, what is this, Carrie Smith, Seven, Seven Roshia, I don't know, Jennifer Hoover, Bella, Bella Deletsky, Gina Quick, Blair Collette, Shelly Jackson, Brandi Bosworth, Sarah Lehman, Isabel DeVry, Kat with no last name, Josiah Santos, Robert Graves, Zachary Skaggs, Teresa Roney-Messenger, Fraser 22, Matthew Crookston, Lisa Holman,, Romane. Amanda with no last name, Owen McKay, Philippa Waldberg, King Alex,

you can't go by King Alex, come on, man, what are you, fucking LeBron? Bobby Bushnell, Irene Case, you better be the LeBron of whatever you do, Alex. Irene Case, Curtis, or Cuttis, Vesper, Amelie Dupree, Tom Grace, Olivia Mitchell, Clyde Pine, Julia McElwreath, Ben Morgan, Becky Schultz, Sean Carleague, Tara with no last name, Zach Jonesy-Hodges, Pauline Brown, Natalie O'Dell, Maria Lewine. Fuck, I don't know. Ashley Harris, George with no last name, Claire Oakley, Sawyer Thoreau, Tiffany Wiggins, Jan Pinnell, Carmen P., Allison Smith, Brooke Smith, Zachary Banks, Maggie with no last name, Marcus Foldo. Oh, boy, Foldo.

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