Small Town Murder - #249 - The Self Pitying Serial Killer - Moose Lake, Minnesota

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

This week, in Moose Lake, Minnesota, frightening footage from a surveillance camera shows a young woman, being abducted, causing an all out search, including the national guard, and hundreds of volunteers. But when she is found, it's nowhere that anyone would have, or could have looked. The suspect is a terrible man, who keeps reinventing himself with new names & appearances. Oh! And he just might be a serial killer, with a trail of unexplained bodies, that have one thing in common... this guy! Along the way, we find out that Minnesota ROCKS, that abducting 7 people, over a 10 year period, means that maybe you should have to stay in prison, and that there are certain things that you can't just blame others for!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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property that may or may not belong to a serial killer. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigalloallo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy wissman thank you folks so much for joining us this week we are excited as usual for more murder and mayhem this episode this week my god is it crazy it's it's one of those like if you take a tree out of the ground there's a tree on top of the ground but you don't know where those roots go and that's what this case is like for me iceberg be damned yeah there's the initial case and then there's oh man what is under there and then it gets really gross and there's all sorts of stuff in there yeah it's bad stuff but quickly quickly thank

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It's a comedy podcast. Yes, there will be murder. Yes, it will be horrible. Otherwise, you know, this show wouldn't be called Small Town Murder. But it's not what you think it is. It's not two guys sitting around going, oh, my guy, I cut her head off. That's hilarious. That's not what we're doing here. It's not two guys sitting around going, oh, my God, I cut her head off. That's hilarious. That's not what we're doing here.

It's not that bad. No, this isn't drive time radio. We're not doing any of that crap. We're trying to be a little bit tasteful here about the whole thing. There's a lot to make fun of around a murder. The idea that you can get away with doing something like that. Ridiculous. Is a ridiculous thought.

The idea that, yeah, this is a good idea. That's nuts. know that's crazy but what we do and what we do out of our way to do we try not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family why because we're assholes yeah but we're not scumbags see that's how that works so good deal for me that sounds good to you we are going to tell you a wild story if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever, ever, never go together, maybe we're not for you, but maybe we are. But if we're not, we warned you, so don't complain later. That said, Jimmy, let us sit back from the lungs and shout,

Shut up! Shut up! And give me murder! Let's do this. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy, shall we? Okay. Let us go. We're coming Jimmy, shall we? Okay. Let us go. We're coming from the south.

We were in Alabama last week. We were. That was an interesting one there. This week, we're going all the way up to Minnesota. Couldn't be more different than Alabama, and it really couldn't be. So going to Minnesota here, we always have fun in Minnesota, whether in real life or on the show. It's always a good time. Even in the winter, it the show it's always a good time even in the winter it was fun it's beautiful too in the winter let's not go crazy it's it's cold no no no it's frosty i mean the view something things coming in my eyes were

beautiful it was a nice place to look at uh it hurts it hurts it's a painful it sincerely stings it does how fucking cold it is there well we are going to moose lake minnesota all right which sounds made up that sounds like it's like a movie you know oh it's a cartoon it's in moose lake yeah okay like a hallmark christmas movie or something minnesota or if the setting is alaska or minnesota and they say moose lake yeah let's swing for a second place. Somebody else pick somewhere because that guy's got bad ideas. One of those Hallmark movies would be like, you know, Merry for Moose Lake or something. You know, Merry Christmas for Moose Lake.

It would be some bullshit like that. So some random blonde woman starring in it that, you know, runs a curio shop and makes like a shitload of money and lives in a mansion so and her name is merry christmas oh yeah her that's her name obviously merry christ that's the thing merry christmas is the name that's from moose lake and she's from moose lake and she's giving you a man it's all it all works jimmy it's beautiful the sad part is if we pitched this they'd probably fucking make it they'd buy it we have like an agent we could do this we could pitch this to the hallmark channel it'd be the weirdest thing people looking on our imdbs they'd be like what they made a hallmark christmas movie and this is weird dick jokes and the producers of this shit so this is in eastern minnesota uh kind of

right on the border of wisconsin there it's about an hour 45 to Minneapolis down south. It's north of Minneapolis. About 40 minutes over to Duluth if you want to have a real good time. Yeah. Obviously. It's a trading company. Oh, baby. And then two hours and 15 minutes to Ely, Minnesota, which was our – or Ely, it actually was, if I remember correctly.

I think it's Ely, it actually was, if I remember correctly, Ely, Minnesota, which was episode 211, our last one back in February, with the frozen blood puddles, which was a crazy-ass story. So this one, no blood puddles, but something even worse. It's in Carleton County, area code 218. It's about three and a half square miles. There's some water here, too. It's Moose Lake.

So there's lakes everywhere around this area. It's about three and a half square miles. There's some water here, too. It's Moose Lake. So there's lakes everywhere around this area. It's Minnesota. It's the land of 10,000 lakes. Is it only 10,000? That's on the license plate. I don't know. But I feel like about- It should just be a giant lake.

That's all it is. About 2,500 of them are right in this area, it seems like. So the motto here is, they actually have a and it's it's a ballsy motto by the way for a town in northern minnesota quote a city for all seasons oh you bastards that's not one that's not go correct except three let's be honest except three it's you know it's spring's still brisk there's a good two they have a maybe a 60-day window where you can do things. Really cooking, and there's fucking flies and all kinds of bugs. It's right.

And then, well, the second motto, I think, really sums it up. Quote, holy shit, that wind is cold. That's a very basic one. The amount of times I said that. Holy shit, that wind is cold. Jesus. Isn't it? You could say it many different ways.

Can you smoke outside, James? That window is killing me. Holy shit, that wind is cold. Holy shit, that wind is cold. There's a lot of different ways to say it. You can really emphasize any word in that sentence, and it makes sense. I'm not even kidding you. Holy shit, that wind is cold. Even the holy, you can do anything kidding you holy shit that wind is cold even the holy you can do

anything holy shit that wind is cold it works for anything that wind is cold every single word every word makes sense so uh history of this town there uh apparently there was a big fire in this area they had like a california level level wildfire in Minnesota at one point, which just seems so weird because you just don't hear about that very often. It might happen. Yeah, it seems like it's certainly possible because every lake there is surrounded by enormous trees. But they're all soaking wet. Right. It's a lake right there.

You can just grab a bucket and put that shit number fourth of july try trying to start the fire at my house just with wood that was outside in the humidity it's like you really had to put some effort into it oh had to use ether yeah a flicked cigarette was definitely not going to do it considering we had to use like you know industrial level propellants to get this fucking thing going i think it was an ether soaked like a ball what what was yeah some yeah it was like a ether soaked wicker ball or something some weird fire starter that sarah has for her pizza ovens so it was like somebody took apart grandma's old chair and just made a ball out of it and dunked it in ether soaked it in the most flammable stuff possible and then said here you go so on october 10th 1918 two men working near a railroad siding uh northwest of cloak uh cloquette saw a passenger train pass by and

soon after saw fire burning through grass and wood piles couldn't contain it two days later it's still burning holy shit spreading throughout northern minnesota just everything's on fire um it's a lot of fires it's called the cloquet cloquet fire but it was really like more than 50 fires that were going on that it's spread all over the place it uh moose lake had its own big fire that's why we're talking about it, obviously. So it was a lot. It was crazy. At least five fires combined was the Moose Lake fire. They all came together.

Wow, it's crazy. It's all over the place. The blaze neared Moose Lake about 730, and some people, they had to take people out in trains to rescue them. and some people, they had to take people out in trains to rescue them. So most survived, and a lot of the people who got left behind just went in the lake. They just went in the lake. It was Moosehead Lake. That was the camp.

By then, it's a spa. Can't burn if I'm in the water. I mean, literally, that's what it was. That was the only place to go. So, yeah, the police officer in Cloquette was quoted in the New York Times as saying, at six o'clock last night, a forest ranger gave warning that unless the wind died down, the townspeople would have to flee. That's the most horrifying thought in the world. Good God. Unless the wind dies down.

Well, nothing you can do about that. The scene at the station was indescribable. There came a rush of wind and the entire town was in flames. The trains pulled out with the fires blazing closely behind them it's scary women wept and clung to their children while others cried fanatically for their missing ones the flames licked the cars windows and the coaches were broken by the heat the engineers and firemen alternately stoked to give the boilers all the fuel they could stand. Holy shit. Why is the writer of this so turned on? He is into everything.

You got to take it easy. This is tragedy, sir. He's into it, though. Stop rubbing that. I'm telling you. So in Moose Lake, they've ended up seeing 75 bodies piled in a burned building. 75 people died in one one road leading out of moose lake they said quote 100 bodies were strewn here and there the new york times said so people

were just overtaken by the flames as they tried to run that's how fast it came on from the winds right they literally i mean the they almost overtook the trains that was pulling out that's the windows were popping. The Duluth Country Club and Children's Home were both completely burned down. All sorts of hotels were burned down. And what is it? Pretty much Moose Lake was completely destroyed. It was just burned to the goddamn ground.

And so the surrounding cities were, this is like kind of how it was the area was deforested it just got burned all burned so um also in in moose lake one of minnesota's sex offender programs two facilities in the whole state are in ones in moose lake so oh that's what they got you're gonna say that burned down there's a silver lining to this nobody got out they just locked the doors and ran away fire coming lock them up um so yeah that's what that's what they have i have reviews of this town here's a uh four star review and these sound like you could make a hallmark movie out of it here quote i like the small town community of moose. I like the variety of small shops and small town treasures, such as the old movie theater, brewery, and coffee shop. It's a Hallmark movie set.

That's ridiculous. Here's a four star. I've lived in Moose Lake, a neighboring town, for many years. The people are always super friendly. There are many different community events that take place during the summer. I would like to see the city council to be more lenient on letting new businesses move in. Yeah,

me too. They're not a, yeah, here's a three star quote. There are some good small town jobs, but nothing that really draws in people and offers them a truly competitive wage. It seems about right.

Here's three stars. The town I live in is almost entirely mom and pop shops that make some good homemade food. It's lacking some quality shopping venues, but it accomplishes most of what you need on a day-to-day basis. So small town, there's stuff there. It's not that rural. It has some outlying things, you know, people with their cabins and all that sort of thing. It's very Minnesota, it sounds like, with the home-cooked food, on everything there's a good soup there's a good you got good soup yeah i can see a good soup boy do i have it in here yeah good oh who the fuck doesn't soup is amazing soup's

amazing it's it's brilliant it's the best thing ever soak something in in in broth of either a beef or a chicken my grandmother italian grandma makes this soup that if you're sick, if she hears anybody's sick, she just starts making soup. It just pops. She doesn't even think about it, I don't think. It's just an automatic function at this point. And this shit is magic. I've been deathly ill and eaten this soup, and it's just magic. It just fixes you.

So you have to find an old Italian lady and have her make you soup. You can live forever. It's got something in it,immy i don't know what the hell's in it but i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna uh start up any conspiracies about grandma's soup but it's magic let's just say that so um population of moose lake 2790 it's not that many less than 3000 up 25 since the year 2000. So it's been growing. This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I've never seen more off male-female population.

I don't know why. It's not like it's all lumberjacks that live here or something. That would make sense if it was just a lumberjack camp the whole town. It's 71% male, 28 28 percent female that is what minnesota is right it's no no it's 50 50 yeah that is a that's that's not even a safe ratio that's that's an unsafe ratio like that's that's not good you're right if they're you know what i'm saying think about that that's if there's a bar and there's 14 men and six women i'm fearing for those six women that's too many men and not enough women to mellow the scene out and as a little guy i fear for the little guys in

there yeah oh they're in trouble too yeah that's gonna be it's thunderdome wherever that is so median age here is 47 which is about 10 years older than the national average. Not a lot of kids here at all, but a lot of people over the age of 85. And a lot of people that are 25 to 34. So it's the weirdest demographics I've ever seen in this town. And it's not like a hunting town? No, that's what I mean. Everybody's got a hunting cabin, but it's not like an only hunting town.

Married population here is only 27 27 which is like half the ratio and almost by the way the exact percentage of females that are in the town as well it's because there's not enough exactly that's what i'm saying it's crazy uh divorce rate is double oh yeah i guess because there's options women are like i'm gonna marry fucking bill or or bob i don guess because there's options. Women are like, I'm going to marry fucking Bill or Bob. I don't know. There's a lot of guys moving along. Apparently you haven't heard, Ted. There's 70% of you around here, so fuck off. You know what it takes to get me?

I'm in demand. Seven to three here. So the single with no children, though, is only 4%, so that is low. It's not a party town, I don't think, here. Well, like I said, it'd be a dangerous party town. Race of this town, it's about 76% white, which is less than you'd expect, honestly, for a small town in the middle of Minnesota here. 9% black, which is more black people than I'd expect here. 0.1% Asian, which is really low considering Minneapolis is a real hub of Asian people.

There's a lot of Asian people there and only 3.5% Hispanic too. So yeah, 46% of the people here are religious. It's all Lutherans. Let's be realistic. It's all Lutherans are the Catholics of the frozen tundra, Baptists of the frozen tundra. 0.0 percent jewish here uh last election pretty damn split down the middle in this place here 49.6 percent democrat 48.1 percent republican

that's very interesting it is down the middle 2.4 percent independent i think the only one a couple we've had pretty close like that but fishkillkill was one like that. There's a couple that were very close like that, but usually it's one way or the other in the smaller towns. So unemployment rate here is about average, a little bit lower than the average, but not much. But the household income is lower than the average. Really? Yeah, and usually it's $57,000. In the rest of the country here, it is $37,000. No.

Yeah, that's kind of low. And 25% of the jobs are it is 37 000 no yeah that's kind of low and 25 of the jobs are health care related which is real it's like more than double what it usually is very strange cost so do they make a lot of money in that state too there's a lot of very wealthy people there yeah like in minneapolis especially there's a lot so uh in uh cost of living 100 is average here it's about 84 but the housing's kind of low it's about 66 the housing meeting yeah median home cost here is 188 500 bucks which is very affordable pretty goddamn low compared to the rest of the country and if we've convinced you to grab a cabin and a rifle and head on out looking for some deer we have for you the moose lake

minnesota real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about 924 bucks which is yeah in line um i found a 14 acre lot here fuck yeah it's on a lake so it backs up to a lake everything's on it's like yeah everything's within walking distance of one but there's no it's just trees and the lake so you gotta i mean there's about two feet of shore before the trees start you better have some skills you better get a chainsaw going because it's going to be a lot of work. $99,000, though, for that. $99,900 for 14 acres. 14 acres?

Yeah, on a lake. I mean, if you had the money, that would be a nice place just to go fishing or hang out or something. Hell yeah. It's not bad. But $100,000 is expensive for a weekend house, I guess, if you're working. So here's one in Stur sturgeon lake which is right nearby is the name of the place it's a one bedroom two bath 1440 square foot foot house one bedroom and 1400 square feet it's you could have stuck another one and two baths i assume a master bath and a

hall bath and a grand room it's scary it looks. It looks like an animal has been chewing on the counter. Like, it's all, like, chewed up, the edges of the counter. Like, deer just wandered through and gnawed on it. Or, like, a rooting buck was just putting his nails on it. 99. Thought it was a salt lick? Yeah. 1.6 acres.

99,900 bucks, though. Same price as the other one. How many acres? 1.6.. 99,900 bucks, though. Same price as the other one. How many acres? 1.6. Not worth it. I'll take 14. That's what I mean. I'll just sit in the woods.

I don't need that shitty house. Here's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,661-square-foot house. Nice little family house. Nice average size. Good house. It's nice. Some questionable carpeting from here to there where you'd want to rip that out but definitely livable you wouldn't have to you

know burn anything or have a exorcism in there or anything 199 900 bucks for that which that's great compared to the rest of the country that's pretty goddamn good so not bad at all things to do i found oh this is i didn't expect this, Jimmy. There's things. Advertised as Minnesota's biggest rock show. Oh, fuck yeah. Wait a minute. You can see the look on my face.

God damn it. You saw it. This is not good. You saw it. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. Everything from quartz to rubies. Come on down. Agates and rocks galore is what it says. God do it. Everything from quartz to rubies. Come on down. Agates and rocks galore is what it says.

God damn it. Agates and rocks galore. Minnesota's biggest rock show. Do not expect ZZ Top in the town. No, no, no. There's no rock here. God damn it. Held July 13th and 14th at the high school gym and parking lot.

Woo! Rock on. Yeah! Metal! and 14th at the high school gym and parking lot. Woo! Rock on! Yeah! Beto! Somebody has shown up, like hot chicks in like cut jeans and big hair, and they're like, fucking let's do it. Yeah! What the fuck?

Free entry. Dude's showing up trying to slang mushrooms. No, not us. Not here. No acid here. We've got pyrite. Trying to slang mushrooms? No, not us. Not here. No acid here. We've got pyrite. Dealers with Agates, minerals, jewelry, fossils, and equipment are going to be there.

Free entry. Rough rock tailgaters in parking lot. I don't know what that means. You can sit on rocks and hang out. Field trip info in gym. Free door prizes. The Agates stampede starts at 2 p.m what the fuck is that that's a free search for agates and quarters quarters spread on elm street great family fun oh my god an agate by the way is an ornamental stone consisting of a hard variety

of what the fuck is that chalcedcedony, typically banded in appearance. It's one of those smooth rocks that looks like it's got a lot of layers. You know what it's not, James? Journey. It's not. Who gives a shit? No. Iron red agates are the oldest collectibles you can find in Minnesota,

if you know where and when to look. Gems among gravel, agates and glacial tumble, tumbled layers of chalice Sedona. I don't know what that is formed within pockets of hardened lava. 1 billion years ago. This is the worst festival ever. You can find both raw agates and polished specimens during agate days. Agate days.

God damn it. I'm so mad. The agate stampedeede if you're familiar with treasure hunts and straw piles at county fairs are we i didn't know that was a thing no the agate stampede has a new twist to that idea two dump trucks roll down elm street i swear to god that's the sense two dump trucks roll down elm street through Moose Lake, spilling mixed loads of agates, gravel, and quarters. What the fuck? Who's cleaning that up once it's all done?

God damn it. I'm so mad. Oh, man. Can you imagine your buddy gets you together and says, we're going to the biggest rock show in fucking Minnesota? I just did that. Yeah, I do know what that's like. I know the look that you get. I'd kill you.

It's the look you just gave me when I did that to you. I'd fucking kill you. He looked at me like, you bastard. As soon as a fucking 310C rolls down the road spilling rocks all over, I'm going to strangle you. Kids, here come the dump trucks out in the street, everybody. Pick up quarters and rocks off the street out of the dump truck. This is a weird way for Godsmack to show up.

What the fuck is that in that dump truck? It's a dump truck. It's not going to be cleaned. There's used condoms falling out of there, too. Kids, watch out for those. So crime rate, what we're interested in in this town, not just people being upset about agate days not being what they want it to be. Property crime, it's about

20% high, which you wouldn't expect in a small town like this until you understand that it's 70% guys, and then you go, well, yeah, they're going to be doing shit like that. Then you have violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, also a little bit high. It's about the same amount

high. So, yeah, I mean, that's guys fighting each other over agates. don't know yeah people frustrated that the rock show still is not a rock show johnny got a polished one he's all yeah somebody somebody thought the mayor was just playing a joke on us this year next year somebody's showing up again with the fucking rock damn it the mayor giggles it's just the town's own dad joke that they play every year all the kids show up kids come one come all the biggest rock show in minnesota can you change it to gravel show at least this is bullshit oh man so that said let's talk about a murder oh yes let's talk about something much less silly and much uh much more dark than

children on their hands and knees searching through gravel and quarters what a night what a nightmare so this murder speaking of a nightmare we need to go back in time not very far we've been a lot in the 70s and 80s lately yeah this time may 26th 1999 all right going back not too far and uh i think i graduated high school that night. That night? Well, there you go. You had a better night than somebody we're going to talk about here because this is a horrific, horrific thing here that happened that night. And it just, like I said, it's just roots under a tree when you go from there.

This is at the DJ's Expressway Mart. It's a little convenience store. That's enough words in that. Yeah. You have to put mart on it, right? DJ's. I think I might have added the mart. Oh, okay.

I think it was DJ's Expressway, and it didn't want it to sound like it was a slot car racing facility, so I put mart on the end of it, I believe. Yeah. So that might have been me. So it's a small little mini mart type deal. You can stop in and get milk if you forgot it or some shit like that get gas Minnesota Wawa that's all Minnesota Wawa or a Minnesota bodega wherever whatever your form of reference is so it's about 11 38 at night when

this happens so this it's a late night shift um by the way do you know who Israel Keys is Jimmy you ever heard of him why do i know that name because he's a serial killer so oh okay that's probably why and we do this show so right i do know who that is yeah there's by the way there's entire all of his interrogations are on youtube for israel keys what an asshole you just want to punch him in the throat before you even find out what he did you want to punch him in the throat and you even find out what he did. You want to punch him in the throat. And then you're like, was he in Alaska? Fuck all over the place. Vermont.

He killed women everywhere. He carved this girl up and put her in a lake. And the dive team had to dig through three feet of ice to dive to get her out. It was horrific. He kept her chained up in a shed for weeks even after she died. And then he tried to this is not a way off the topic of this show but israel keys after the the poor woman was dead for two weeks he tried to take pictures of her to see to pretend she was still alive to get ransomed for a ransom note two weeks later so he

spent two days putting makeup on her and shit and like putting fishing line in her through her skin to like lift it so it looked like oh yeah so you couldn't see it like yeah he did like a whole thing to get this picture he's a disgusting person we should talk about him on a bonus or something but an awful person so anyway he came up because of this because he did it's the why are you making my stomach turn james it's the exact same scenario is what's going on here is okay the girl in alaska that he abducted here so this is may 26 1999 like we said uh kathleen or kathlyn kathleen i am i don't never know how to say i think it's

kathlyn uh or is it yeah kathlyn spell it uh k-a-t-h-y-l-y-n i've heard it pronounced and it still screws me up so i think katherine with a y yeah like that so it could be kath she goes by katie either way okay so katie uh katie uh poyer is her name p-o-i-r-i-e-r it's pronounced poyer from what i understand um so she's working there at the store all alone. She's 19 years old. She goes to community college. We'll talk about her. She is working alone, like we said, working the late night shift here.

This store, DJ's Expressway, it's located near I-35 on kind of the outskirts of Moose Lake. So at 11.38 p.mm a man is seen rushing into frame uh it's very poor resolution 1999 surveillance camera type shit no that was the ones where they used to rewind the tapes and just tape over them so that right by you know ruins the tape yeah by the time you need it by the time you need it you can't see anything it just looks like fuzz on there because they've done it 700 000 times so it's a very poor resolution so you couldn't really see much all you could see it was a man who was about 5 11 170 pounds one thing you could see was he's wearing a new york yankees shirt so you could see the yankee logo yeah with number 23 on the back he's a don mattingly fan i am offended no when you hear what this guy i am so offended by this number one don mattingly

fans should be nicer people you know this is i love don mattingly this is ridiculous if you commit a crime take that elway jersey off please don't make me sit through that in the name of don mattingly you pick up a monster energy drink and get the fuck out of the store and leave this young girl alone because i'm angry right now at you so he ends up he it's a it's a white male by the way he ends up it shows the videotape shows him walking in and then it shows two people emerging from the back of the store he's behind the girl with his hand on the back of her neck walking her walking her in front of him with his hand on the

back of her neck out of the store so that's what we see which like in the israel keys it's almost the exact same thing it was a little coffee shop late at night young girl working there you know young lady working and uh he abducted her the exact same way. Walked her out. It's got video of him coming in and going out. Oh yeah. They have the Israel. The same thing.

Grainy, shitty surveillance footage, but you see it. That one's even weirder because Israel keys came back like three times to the store later on that night. He's a fucking asshole anyway. So that's a Katie Poyer is the girl that's been taken here. She's 19 years old.

She lived. She's from the town of Barnum. It's her. Our family lived by Little Hanging Horn Lake. She's from all I can gather from her. A really smart, really nice, really pretty, really good kid from what it seems like from everybody. That's just not because she's been abducted from a convenience store. I'm saying that.

She really does seem nice. Her family seems nice. It seems like just nice people. She was runner up in the 1997 Ms. Barnum contest. Good Lord. Yeah, very pretty. Everybody knows who she is. Back to back weeks with this shit.

Back to back weeks with runners up of contests. Well, that wasn't a cut one was college but this is yeah this is different uh but good for her she just finished her first year at fond du lac community college in carlton and uh she wanted to go into some form of law enforcement apparently she loved the profiler on nbc the show who doesn't love that shit yeah this was in the 90s too when this was all kind of new now i mean we had mind hunter we've had all the there's a million books it's it's saturated it's out there but this was a different story like you know back then there wasn't that many people there was a core group of people who were like like true crime beyond or crime stories beyond law and order they wanted to know like the psychological and basically our our audience yeah they you know

there was that audience existed back then too they were just dying for any niche yeah that yeah dying for any little piece of what they could get so she wanted to uh she liked that sort of thing and she wanted to go into law enforcement based on that so that was that's her plan and uh she liked she was like a water skier she's a packers fan which is interesting considering you know she's in you know country that's not territory enemy country it's not good and she had two nice golden retrievers that she liked that there's a picture she looks you know a happy kid with her golden retrievers goldie and riley her two dogs so you can't just she's the nicest kid and there'd be no reason that she would even be mentioned on this show unless she was taken from a convenience store that's essentially how it goes uh she meets a a young man that she ends up hooking up with here, a Mark Johnson Jr. Yep.

Junior right away. We know that from Crime and Sports. That's not good. They get engaged recently. They've been engaged recently. And Mark and Katie moved in together as well. Yeah. They both go to the community college.

And they're both intending, I guess, to start out with, they want to be state conservation officers or game wardens. They're looking into that sort of thing. We found that those people have a lot of responsibility. Yeah, we really did. We found out a lot about that from that. I think it was one of the Minnesota episodes. I think so, too. Was it Red Wing?

I don't remember which one. But, yeah like the the game warren's taking over the homicide investigation crazy we're like oh listen this isn't a poached elk here we let's right let's calm down i don't need to count the squirrel pelts in this house no so they were both planning on doing that they wanted to maybe do it in like montana or wyoming somewhere nice like that after they were married and graduated school and everything. But obviously she's been taken at 1138 on May 26th. This is the same day after midnight passed. So now we're into the 27th.

A passerby called police to report that no one's in the store. And that's odd. The lights are on. Doors open. So the officers arrived. And that's odd. The lights are on. The door's open.

So the officers arrived. They found the store open and empty, which is obviously no one leaves merchandise and cash registers out for the world to take. So they go in. They, I guess, get a hold of the owner. They check the videotape and they see what happened at 1140. So it's within an hour, though. They've seen what happened at least. So that's helpful.

Anyway, a lot of these cases, no one knows are gone till the next day. And, you know, maybe you could get on the trail of something. So the 911 call, by the way, they're in the videotape. They can't tell from the graininess exactly how he's holding her. If it's just by the neck, they said it appears that there might be a he might have a cord tied around her neck or something oh jesus and he's got his hand in the back holding the cord and pushing her with that so like a leash like a lead like exactly but but tightly tight yeah tightly bound so i mean she's a small she's small too like she's not a physical force she's not like you know you don't need that no it seems a really cruel so right away obviously they're they they're searching everything uh

there's her checkbook is there her car keys are left behind clearly this is not what they were taking the other stuff is all yeah yeah they took the they took the prize tonight that's it and this is you know the car keys everything in the way they're looking at it because at first they didn't know same thing with israel keys they didn't know if she left on her own she's a 19 year old girl maybe she ran away we don't know maybe she's hanging out with some guy and the guy came and they left together and now they took off and she didn't want to tell anybody because who knows and that's not they police who when they start investigating something like this they have to think about that as a possibility when you're talking about a 19

year old girl thing yeah yeah unless you see somebody beating her and dragging her out by her hair unconscious you know like ray rice or something you have to you have to say is it voluntary or not you don't want to you know have all points, everybody on deck here calling the National Guard, and then she's hanging out with some guy in an apartment in Duluth. That is brutal about being a cop. You do have to consider that, and it feels shitty, because if it's not the thing, you've wasted time on that. But look, man, that's just the reality of this world.

People are dishonest. It happens. And like that Israel Keys one in Alaska, they really thought that girl just disappeared on her own for a long time. For a while, they were like, we think it's voluntary. So awful here. They didn't know until they saw the tape. And even then they didn't really know till somebody said he might have a cord on her neck, man. That's she's not that's not voluntary. Like even in the graininess of the tape, you could see that this is not a voluntary.

They're not like arm and arm. You know, hey, let's start our new life now. This is bad. So their cops are looking for a plan to how they're going to find them. They have a witness to what somebody who saw something here. They end up part of the investigation they interview a katherine hannock who on the night of the abduction she was working at the subway sandwich store which is right by the dj's expressway and they're connected by an internal door so you can

get from one to the other if you okay like anjoining hotel. Yeah. Yeah. And so the Hanukkah lady, she told the police that shortly before she closed up the store at 10 o'clock, which is an hour and 40 minutes before the abduction. She saw a man in and around the subway store who she thought was behaving strangely and looked like he was kind of case in the joint or something. You know, she got uncomfortable. After closing, she drove home toward downtown Moose Lake. And coincidentally, she said she was behind this guy who was leaving the convenience store property at that time. So we think that whoever this was, they think maybe if that's the guy, he was casing the place and looking for a victim here. was casing the place and looking for a victim here she noted that the guy was driving a black ford f-150 extended cab pickup it's got white markings on the side and a license plate that reads she got some of the license plate which is impressive uh five five seven that she got that part and then the last letter is y but there she couldn't wow yeah she couldn't get the numbers in

between that but that's a good start that's pretty good yeah with it not being like i thought you were gonna say it was something personal you know no i murder or something freako fark that's an old uh episode from arkansas reference here but like to to get a get a just a generic ass plate that's sent out by the Department of Transportation, that's pretty impressive. She couldn't have put her phone up and clicked it quick. This is 99, so it's not even like she had a picture. Your phone was a piece of shit

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app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus and the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. So she said the pickup truck weaved a number of times as well. After entering Moose Lake, the town proper, I guess it pulled into the parking lot of a local cafe. And she said the last she saw the truck. She also said that when she left work, Katie's vehicle was still at the expressway mark, which we know because she didn't get taken until 1138.

It's time stamped on the tape. So at 2.30 a.m., they notify the Poyer family that their daughter is missing. And these people are, fuck, this is the family you want. This is the family you want. These people are. Fuck. This is the family you want. This is the family you want. These people are pretty awesome. They jump, basically jump into action and immediately come there to the place. Her boyfriend came over. Johnson Jr. came over at 2 a.m.

And they said, where the hell is Katie? She's supposed to be with you. I thought she gets off at 1.30, and he was like, well, she didn't come, so I figured she was here. And they're like, oh, this isn't good. So they end up shooting down there. At 2.30 a.m., they left Mankato,

and by 6 a.m., the family was there. There and searching. Searching, too. They were on the scene. now she's got a fucking six and a half hour head start that's so horrifying that's the problem so the the police are looking for a man who appears to be appears to be because it's a grainy footage so you really can't tell any facial features or anything like that they say he appears to be in his 20s but you can't see the face uh they said possibly a weathered complexion maybe so either 20s and weathered or older one of the two all right out

of that 20s or older or 65 or we don't know exactly don mattingly fan we're looking at here so he's you know he's gotta be born. Got to be born late 70s at the latest. That's how it's going to work. It's not someone who's 14. So he's got a square jaw, they said. Curly hair, which is dirty blonde or strawberry blonde. They couldn't decide. He's wearing a dark New York Yankees jersey, like a blue one.

One of the dark kind of shit fake ones with 23 on the back so don mattingly and he's they think he's driving a black extended cab pickup possibly that's what they put out if you know anybody that fits that great so they uh they make a composite sketch from four witness statements they broadcast that on local tv and the newspapers everything like that i'll post the the i love sketches for some reason they're fascinating sketches are great so i'll post a sketch on our social media they break out tracking dogs helicopters they start right away i mean from the convenience store out they find nothing yeah can't find shit uh posters more of them go into newspapers they put up

billboards i mean by two days later there's billboards up where the fuck is katie wow where is katie uh turns into a very high profile missing case missing person's case because the family's making it that way because they want their find their goddamn daughter which is what you want your family to do if you go missing. Sure. You know, if you think if you see somebody kidnap me, please look for me like hard. Yeah. I mean, clearly in danger. I'd like that. Thank you.

Don't mind your business. Don't mind your business. If you see me being kidnapped, if I just left on my own, I took off, you know, leave me alone. Give me a little bit. Give me a minute here. But otherwise, I'm clearly kidnapped. So even a local facility for sex offenders, they checked into that. Remember I said Moose Lake has its own.

They checked into that. Did anybody, are you missing anybody? And they said, nope, everyone's accounted for. No body count real quick. Yeah, they literally did that. All the perverts are in their cages. Okay, good. And then they left.

All the guys that like to do weird shit you got them all you got them all you got all the sex perverts in one place good good excellent so it's it's at this point that within two days governor jesse the body ventura governor jesse the body it's been 22 years and it's still fucking weird when i read that i got such a giggle at three o'clock in the morning um governor jesse the body ventura activates the national guard which that sentence just sounds hilarious it sounds that's a mad limb governor jesse the body ventura. Okay. Activates the National Guard. Sure.

With a bizarre phone call with his insane voice as a governor. Get out there and find her. And if you're the Poyer family, don't worry, honey. Jesse the Body Ventura's on it. It's fine. I've seen Predator. I've seen Predator've seen predator he was still shooting the gun even with a missing arm i feel like he could pull this off if anyone can do it

he can he's he's pulled that the he's pulled the national guard off of finding out if those lights in the north are from aliens to look for you don't worry i had them doing recon on living off the grid. And then I called them back in to look for Katie. That's how I do it. Pulled off of trying to figure out best ways for a man to shave in the woods with a piece of wood. I already knew that. I was a Navy SEAL. Obviously, I shave in the wood with wood.

Clearly. I went to the biggest rock show in Minnesota and found the best rock to shave with the age it's the agates jimmy that's the thing you don't understand because you're not a minnesota native that's the problem jimmy if you were from the great land of 10 000 lakes you'd know to shave with an agate. That guy was a fucking governor. He's entertaining as shit, though. I'll give him that. He really is. He's harmless.

He's not trying to, you know what I mean? He's saying crazy shit, and he's just by himself in a fucking self-contained giant plastic bottle that collects rainwater in mexico somewhere where he's like i'm off the grid now they can't find me thinking of crazy shit so that he can make a name for himself you've already made a name for yourself jesse it's all right it's already done 9-11 was because of explosive paint that's his 9-11 theory by the way it was explosive paint in the building because they've been painting recently and they were using explosive paint. Plastic explosive put into some fucking bear. Yeah, which is a thing, but I don't know if they have it on that scale to paint the entire, you know, like.

That's a shitload of paint. It's a lot of paint to be painting the whole inside of that place. So, obviously, everybody is very, very, very worried. Everybody is very, very, very worried. The mother here, Katie's mother, Pam, she said this is the ultimate fear a parent has when their child is born. Everybody can feel for us because they all have grandchildren or nieces or daughters. And then the father, this has been after a week, he says, it's only been one day, hasn't it? It seems like one big, long day.

These people aren't sleeping they're not sleeping well they're not getting any rest they've probably slept four hours since she disappeared in a week you know this is awful this is crazy um so it's just ridiculous they even say the poyers showed no ill will toward her abductor but they pleaded with him to release her unharmed we don't hate that point you can't that's how fucking nice these people are you can't say awful things in the media about somebody that took your baby because what if that baby's still alive you know what i mean let that shit happen what do you think i would be saying jimmy yeah i'd be holding your mouth don't say anything james they're gonna

hurt her more don't do it i'll tell you what me me on your back and you're trying to shake me with fucking microphones in your face get off me shut up james don't say it that's what i mean i want to see masson again stop it and i'm italian if you kidnap my daughter you better hope the police get you before yeah me and all my cousins end up with you and my brothers and they're going out to a steak dinner to prepare for your murder because they take the steak knives with them that's that's the truth we know that as we talked about 30 men leaving a steak a steak restaurant with the fucking silverware to open you and with more with more of a of a desire to find you than the police might have as well right because they good luck they get accommodations and a $500 bonus.

These guys get street cred. Yeah. These guys get the joy of doing this, of filleting a kidnapper. So, yeah, these poor people. The mom, Pam is her name, she says, i know there is some goodness deep down inside him and if he would just let it come out and let her go uh he doesn't even have to call us he can call anybody and just tell us where she is yeah these poor people man they're just obviously beautiful they're just human i mean it's fucking sad so they search widens they have a twenty five thousand dollar reward the national

guard is out there is teams of people sweeping fields with bloodhounds i mean it is a full-on search this is wild june 6th comes along it's been 10 days and they found not a trace of anything with a full-on national guard effort with the bloodhounds and everything they find nothing so on july 6th or june 6th 1999 they call off the search for now until they get some leads they need leads they have no leads yeah um spend that kind of money every day for nothing yeah it's just people are exhausting and they're not getting anywhere and they even put it out on america's most wanted that quickly they got it on america Most Wanted to try to get some leads. And they said they generated nothing of any significance.

Wow. Really? Nothing. It just couldn't come up with anything. So, yeah. They said the one article here, it says search called off. National exposure yields few leads. There's nothing here.

There's nothing more exciting than John Walsh telling you something happened a week ago near you. And my face is always glued. Was always what's going on now? Like, oh, do I know him? Do I know who is it? Is it Johnny? I know that son of a bitch is an asshole. So they call it all off at this point.

Volunteers, though, including members of the Poyer family, are continuing organizing. They start at the Moose Lake Church. They have like a like a what you call it, like a vigil. No, no. They have a like a control center. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Headquarters.

Headquarters. There you go. I don't know why I couldn't think of that word. But headquarters is what they're doing here for the search. They they get in there. They have maps with X's and things. And I mean, it's a this is an operation they're not giving up at all here and it's crazy because this guy just walks in and

takes uh on on camera it's ballsy this is a ballsy it's a really fucking ballsy thing so yeah like i said maps on the wall x's indicating the areas they searched and covered and uh you know all sorts of different denote you know denotations on the map saying you know we've talked to people here they get paul molliter involved what that's what i sound like paul molliter's involved in this if you don't know who paul molliter is if you're not a sports fan paul molliter is a hall of fame baseball player who played for the brewers and then for the twins too when they won the world series and all that so do you play for the blue jays too yeah Blue Jays too yeah Paul he was a great player he's a hall of famer for Christ's sake and he's from the Minneapolis area and he's a you know a

local legend so to keep the interest high they turn to Paul Molitor and they get him to he's wearing a baseball jersey is there anybody in baseball around here i mean yeah maybe get to can don mattingly plead for him to get that's what i said can we get don mattingly to plead to give him back i know you're a fan of mine sir please don't wear my jersey and do dumb shit please don't do that but no paul molliter makes a public service announcement and asks, you know, please help find this girl. So there's a guy that Paul Molitor gets the attention of somebody here. John Walsh couldn't do it. Jesse Ventura, the National Guard, can't do it.

But Paul Molitor will get your attention. He'll get you a base hit when it counts and this shit. A double to the gap and this. So the guy named Darryl Brown, he works at the Minnesota Veterans Home. Okay. He starts thinking about this shit. He's like, hold on a second here. This all sounds a little bit weird.

So on June 18th, he called to, I'm sorry, not June 18th. Yeah, June 18th. June 18th. I'm sorry, not June 18th. Yeah, June 18th. June 18th, I'm sorry. June 18th, he calls the tip line, which they have a tip line set up, to report that his co-worker, Donald Hutchinson, who had recently stopped driving his black Ford F-150 pickup truck. Yeah. And he resembled, in size and general manner of movement and shit the composite sketch that was made. The video and the composite sketch. He matches both of them.

And this guy said that this Donald Hutchinson didn't show up for work the day following the abduction. And also cut his hair like two days later. Like his haircut was different. Won't shut up about the Yankees draft. Just like nobody can play first. Like I don't give a fuck. like two days later like his haircut was different won't shut up about the yankees draft just love yeah he's like nobody can play first like i don't give a fuck we can't replace mattingly it's been three years it's 99 it's been three years and i'm sorry tino martinez he's all right but he's not cutting it he's just not donnie baseball thank god for this guy having that kind of uh awareness

of his surroundings yeah i couldn't tell you what my fucking coworkers drive. He stopped driving his car. He cut his hair. He called in sick that day. Who notices when someone calls in sick? This is a month later. How do you realize that? This is a petty motherfucker.

He had to do this motherfucker's extra work, and he was pissed all day about it. He's a petty son of a bitch. Now he's driving a different car. Oh, look at him all fancy. Look at him fancy now all right got a new car and still has haircut money this still got super days off still got super cut money donnie do you all right all right i gotta see you i'll see you so he he said that also a few days later he suddenly quit his job as the janitor without giving any notice. The janitor can quit, buy a new car, and have haircut money?

Hell no. Red flags. Red flags. Please call Jesse the Body Ventura. I need to tell him something. So they look into it, and they find out this Hutchinson fella. His name isn't even Hutchinson. He had been giving a false name to his employer here.

His real name is actually Donald Blum, B-L-O-M. And he, Donald Michael Blum, and later on it's Donald Albin Blum for some reason, A-L-B-I-N. They now say, okay, they look into him and they say the truck is his. He has a truck like that. It matching all the suspect license plate numbers. Yeah, this is this could be at least the guy who was seen driving away from there an hour and a half earlier. Let's see if he comes to the door with a Don Mattingly jersey on and then we might have something here. So he they look into the whole thing and check it all out among the truck drivers they

checked out was donald blum registered pickup truck like i said the numbers matched um but they said when they got there the truck in his driveway was white not black okay interesting his wife amy blum by the way blum is her name, not his. Oh. He's got a completely different name. His real name is Pince, P-I-N-C-E-S. This guy's a weirdo already. He's got a lot of names. And when he got married recently, he changed his name and took his wife's name of Blum and dropped the Pince and had been working under Hutchinson.

And we find out he's got at least 15 other aliases that he's going by as well. People don't do that as normal folks. Not normally, no. His wife, Amy, said that they'd gotten rid of that truck that had that license plate sometime before. So this is a different truck, the white one. He also owned property 12 miles from the Moose Lake convenience store where Katie was taken. So they dig into a little bit more and they find out oh our friend donald blum also has convictions for multiple sex offenses

oh my multiple specifically for abducting petite young girls jesus and sexually assaulting them they're like this is starting to look like he's taking it up a notch i mean okay uh having a track record of that is insane in the first place i can't believe that somebody can have more than two of those oh he has and be on the street five incidents of sexual assault abducting seven total women that's some of them not women women. Some of them sophomores. Children. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. Teenage girls.

And it's ridiculous. Children. It's ridiculous. So right away, they need to get some search warrants and they want to check this fucking guy out from head to toe. They want to they definitely want to hold him by the ankles and shake him up, shake him around and see what falls out of this. So, like I said, Donald Michael Blum is his name. Birth name of Pence. He is using all these aliases so uh one of his co-workers like we said that's how this whole thing started they found out that uh blum had property like it's right by there like we said

as well they end up going to his house and they really really want to look at his fire pit they conduct a 12-hour search of his property on june 19th so the day after this guy calls they find out all this shit the second they look him up the second they find out who he is and look him up they go oh that's our guy or at least somebody we need to talk to if he was near there and he loves to abduct young petite girls so during their examination of the fire pit they find a number of bone fragments oh no which is it normally in your fire pit i don't know what you burn but i don't usually burn things that sentient things yeah i mean when i when i make a steak uh when it's on the bone it stays on the bone yeah take it off the grill absolutely

and there's not fragmented oh also what appeared to be part of a jawbone which there's not a lot of jawbones that i have lying around and a lot of things near the jawbone that i like to eat no and then you go well a jawbone it could be a different kind of animal oh no also a human tooth they find them there so all of these things look very very bad to the point where June 20th 1999 which is after midnight they end up arresting him and taking him in they take him

in agents from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension were looking for him because he wasn't home only his wife was there they went and end up finding him with his family at a campground 140 miles away. What family? That's his family, like the Pintzes.

Oh, okay. His own family. I think his brother or somebody like that. Don't quote me on that. I'm not sure. So he's arrested later on as he drove home from the trip and taken in for questioning. He also had firearms because they were at a hunting trip. He's a convicted felon not allowed to have firearms,

so they can immediately arrest him, not even worry about Katie's stuff for the moment. They can work on their case, and he's locked up on a federal charge of possessing a weapon, a felon in possession of a weapon. So they're in good shape there. They find out he purchased the Moose Lake property with the tooth in the fire pit about two years earlier. And his neighbors said he was always at the property all the time, always there. But they said ever since about a month ago, you know, late May, they haven't seen him

at all. The place has been totally neglected in the recent weeks. Can't even weird. It's totally it's overgrowing. He's not taking care of it anymore. The place has been totally neglected in the recent weeks. Can't even, it's totally, it's overgrowing. He's not taking care of it anymore. Hasn't been back there in weeks. Okay.

Super weird. Um, so they were, that's suspicious. They also learned that, uh, uh, in the police lineup,

they get them in the, the Hanuk lady positively identifies him as the man she saw on the property that night. Now, that's an hour and a half before it happened, and he was seen leaving and going to a town. But he could have very easily drove there, ate at that cafe, got back in his car, and then came back here when the place was quieter. Sure. You're not going to abduct her in front of the subway lady. No. Generally.

That's crazy. You'll do it in front of a subway lady no generally that's crazy you'll do it in front of a camera though so he's charged with kidnapping based on the eyewitness identification which is pretty thin honestly to say somebody that you saw an hour and a half before that but they put him in jail and his bail set at 285 000 wow keep him high so he retains private counsel, but then a public defender is appointed after private counsel withdraws, probably because he's not paying them, I would assume. So he yeah, he's charged with one count of kidnapping and later on they charge a convicted felon illegally possessing possessing several firearms discovered during the search of his property as well. He's not allowed to have those, obviously. So they said that the, this is July 1st, they released the information to the public about the bones coming from the fire pit

and charred things and teeth and a hoop earring they also found, a random hoop earring, a tooth, a chainsaw with blue fibers in it trees don't generally have blue fibers in them and then also strands of hair they found around and condoms as well wow so they find all this shit around here condom tree to cut down it's a condom tree that was wearing a shirt you know right a condom tree with some hair yeah hairy condom tree super hairy condom tree so who the fuck is this asshole i am riveted james okay uh he has at least 13 aliases most recently worked at the

veterans home in minneapolis going by donald hutchinson he's born in 1949 so he's 50 years old so not 25 but could be weathered you know a psychologist who conducted an extensive examination with him in 1992 learned that he'd been abused by his father for a good amount of time and uh when he turned about 13 he became a heavy drinker which is it's about the right age to start heavily drinking yeah tough day at work i gotta pound back a fifth really makes that weird yeah drinker is i mean that's just living in wisconsin if you're 13 and taking some pounding some booze but right heavy drinker that's crazy yeah you gotta have a job for that shit you know get out some stress yeah wife that pisses you off yes we've got divorce

and stress and pain in the ass kids one won't stay out of jail that that'll make you a heavy drinker kid that won't stay out of jail you have to bail out all the time right so in the 10th grade he went to a reform school because he was a frequent truant and he got busted underage drinking multiple times so they do that uh later on in high school he was a wrestler he wrestled in high school he was known as bud back then bud pince he uh he uh he was on the wrestling team as well uh he was on the b squad and he wasn't really good so okay he was just kind of he was just kind of there yeah there was no big deal an old friend of his said quote his life was so secret even willie didn't it was his brother didn't know nothing uh he said he's been nothing but a thorn in everybody's side after he started

drinking i don't know nothing good about him before that he was a good kid before 13 yeah so booze ruined everything yeah another uh old neighbor of his said that he was you know he was a good kid when he was a child he said quote he was a good athlete in grade school he could always beat me in a foot race he seemed okay him and his brother so then they all said though around 15 16 his whole attitude his changed. He didn't graduate from high school. He didn't return to school for his senior year. He just didn't come back. He went to his junior year, and that was that.

A friend of his also said that he was involved in not only alcohol but drugs around that time, and they said that's what changed him was the booze and the alcohol and the drugs. And he said, quote, it's alcohol. When he's drinking, he's a jekyll and hyde when he got into drinking he just went nuts okay which i mean that's one thing you can you could say that out loud but the fact is his life sucked and that's why he drank he had a lot of problems he had a lot of problems life was no fun he married a woman named deborah in 1970 so at 21 he gets married to Deborah.

And oh, by the way, the lady who was behind him said he was weaving pretty badly. So if he's drinking, yeah, going nuts and being like, I can just take a girl from a convenience store and that's fine. That's the theory anyway. So 1970, he marries Deborah. 1973, they divorce. So that doesn't last. Doesn't last long. No. 1973, they divorce. So that doesn't last. Doesn't last long.

Maybe it's because she could see something in him because in 1975, he kidnaps a 14-year-old girl at 26. Kidnaps a 14-year-old girl, gags her, and molests her in many different ways. Disgusting. I think it gets worse, though, Jimmy. He locked her in the trunk of his car but she ended up escaping from the trunk of the car i don't know if the seat went down or some shit she got out of the trunk and ended up running away and turning him in so good for her uh he ended up being going to trial and was convicted so he and that was before they had that little red handle and in the trunk so you can just yank and

jump out the only thing then all the seats folded down though too you could just push them they didn't have good clips you could just shove them in a seat and go down so you could put like it yeah so you put like a you know a dresser drawer in there or something if you're moving so he he's out within three years though within. Within three years, he's out, which seems light for the abduction and rape of a 14-year-old girl. That seems real light. Whose only saving grace is that she's mechanically inclined to either take out a taillight and reach around and open the trunk or whatever the fuck she did. That's the only reason that it's not worse it's not yeah he didn't decide okay i'll let you go now this is some girl fought for her life and that's the only

reason why have you ever heard of that where somebody abducts somebody puts them in a trunk rapes them does horrible things to them and then pops the trunk and lets them go okay that doesn't happen not usually normally i'm done once once someone's been yeah had raped you or done horrible things to you and then puts you in a trunk. They're taking you somewhere. Is your final. That's the final place. They're taking you.

Don't talk. Right. Yeah. You're going to feel bumpiness. And that's a trail in the woods that you're driving on. Right. Which is fucking creepy as shit. So this poor young woman or young girl.

Jesus, she's 14. By then, he's out three years later. And within three years, he commits an aggravated assault then and then uh five years after that so we're talking 1980 he's arrested for criminal sexual conduct again as well jesus christ so uh he also kidnapped two teenage girls drug them out to a remote area where he threatened both of them and sexually assaulted one of them at knife point. My word. Knife point. They were.

Right. Jesus. I would say they were only rescued because a police officer saw their car parked weird. So they just pulled over to see what the fuck was going on. Some drunk was over there parking their car fucked up. And instead it was somebody being two teenagers being fucking raped at knife point so the police officer pulls over and he took off he he ran away but he ended up being caught for that as well um so he's had a lot of problems 1983 comes around yeah where he should still be in

prison for a very long time. And he's not. That's what I mean. That was 80. And this is like the third time he's done that. So they were apparently there was a woman driving on a rural road in 1983. She drove by Blum, who was walking. So she offered him a ride. Okay.

He got in the back seat of the car and they continued to drive this was two young girls 15 and 16 years old let's give that weirdo a ride which yeah let's give that 30 something but i mean there's they're being nice you know there's two of us what's he gonna exactly and teenage kids like to meet people and know people that's just what you do you're trying to explore the shit at this point now you're like oh jesus look at him you drive you pick up the pace and drive by him you roll the window up fuck that guy when you're an adult he doesn't he doesn't own a car what a fucking creep but as a yeah or at least a bicycle as a as a 15 year old you're like oh that drifter looks interesting

i bet he has life experience to tell me about. It's a weird thing. He's in the wind and on the road. He's probably got it. Where is he from? Let's find out. Yeah, what about that? Let's find out.

You know what? Let's see how he got here. Why don't we? So they're both small. One's 5'2", 110 pounds. One's 5'6", 115 pounds. So petite young ladies at some point blum pulls a knife out and threatens them and tells them where to drive um remote wooded area

instructs them to exit the car threatening them with a knife forces them to walk into the woods by holding them by the backs of their shirt collars, which that's I'm walking behind them, which sounds familiar and has the knife out as well. Once he gets in the woods, he ties them up and gags them and attempts to rape them as well. During this, he begins to choke one of the girls to the point where she became very red and looked like she was going to pass out. So then he stopped choking her and started choking the other girl um at that at some point

during the switch of the choking they were able to wriggle free and escape oh thank god so they ran away from him and then he ran away from the scene but he was subsequently caught because these girls know exactly what he looked like. And he was, I'm sure he didn't mean for them to, if you know what I mean. Right, right, right. Then again, that year, there's another one. He kidnaps a young lady. He kidnaps her and shoves a pair of socks into her mouth and also also has some kind of i don't know what he did he

hit her with a brush or something jesus um she also had to um walk through heavy woods and be and she was choked by him and it's fucking horrible he kidnapped her sexually assaulted her in uh in the second degree a, in a particularly cruel way for which this is from the court documents, for which defendant ought to be held responsible upon the following facts. She was tied up several times, gagged and blindfolded, subjected to multiple sexual contacts. Blum held her at the time.

Pence held a knife to the throat of her and threatened to kill her in order to silence her screaming induced out of terror. He threatened to kill her in order to bring about her compliance in order to facilitate the sexual assault. Both victims had to witness the other committed against the other. This was the two young girls. He choked both of them and causing them to fear for their lives. He poked one of them in the stomach with a knife after he was done with his sexual assault, it says as well. And he subjected the other two gratuitous degradation by lifting up her clothing

and peering at her breasts and genital area after the sexual assaults. He's a fucking disgusting monster. That's torture. He then placed, because this is two different girls jimmy this is the same mo he then placed one of them in the trunk of his car on a hot day in order to facilitate the transportation to the scene of the sexual assaults the uh it was a remote wooded area it's fucking horrible so and in the court documents it says pince does not dispute the factual accuracy of the reasons for departure, but disputes that the facts show unusual or particular cruelty.

That was his argument. I did all that, but it wasn't in an especially cruel way. So what? I kidnapped teenage girls, raped them at knife point, put them in a hot trunk. That's not that cruel. Are you out of your fucking mind? I was just going to ask you, are these are these not punished severely because it's his word versus theirs and they don't have DNA then?

So it's like there's a little bit of a shadow of a doubt if this is even the right guy. Or is it because they're just and you just you just solved it. It's because the punishment for this is not severe. Obviously, he's done this so many times. He keeps getting caught for imagine how many times he doesn't get caught for it. It's because the punishment for this is not severe. Obviously, he's done this so many times. He keeps getting caught for imagine how many times he doesn't get caught for it. These are the ones he's caught for. And we'll talk about some ones where he definitely didn't get caught. So in May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment.

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He's roaming the streets again, which is crazy. He's been doing this for 20 years. His ex-wife, he has three ex-wives by this point, by the way. He's currently married and has three ex-wives at 1999. I would say one of his ex-wives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, I would have to say that a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality. He can be the nicest person on this earth. He'll bend over backwards for you.

But there's a dark side to this person that snaps and he gets very mean. Yeah, that's called a predator and a sociopath. That's exactly what that is. He's grooming you. He does nice things so that you always comply. And when you don't, there's punishment to pay. That's the psychopath thing. When you're on my side, it's great.

But then when you're not, all fucking hands on deck. You're the devil now right done because you are not on my side anymore it's fucking disgusting so she says to uh the ex-wife again quote i kept my kids away from him as much as i could i don't know what sets him off it could be anything it could be not answering the phone or looking out the window when you're not supposed to. What? That is terrifying. You don't even know what's going to set him off.

It's not like you can even avoid it. You look out the window. That's enough to hurt somebody. Fuck, man. That's that is wild. That's that's insanity. Also, state representative Tom Pugh, Pugh, Pugh. He was a classmate of Donald's.

He says he remembers him as, quote, a pretty nice guy. He said, I was surprised to find out years later about some of the things he was convicted of. I know I was shocked over the years to pick up the paper and now again to see his name. Yeah, it's because you weren't, he didn't have to hurt you because you weren't a 14-year-old girl. That's exactly shit. Yeah, you weren't a 14-year-old girl. That's exactly shit. Yeah, you worried about. He doesn't need anything from you. No, he needs a 14-year-old girl.

He's like, I was real surprised. I don't know. He never tried to rape me at knife point. I've never seen the inside of his trunk. Right. So 1992, he has a psychological exam and the psychologist predicted that if he were not closely monitored, he would probably engage in antisocial behavior. Why he was out of it's what he's at. Seven abductions.

He's been fucking on convicted of and he's still on the outside. So it's crazy. So anyway, at the veterans home there, his supervisor reported that he had not known of the criminal record when he hired him. So I didn't even know his name. Shit. Yeah. I'm supposed to find that with a different guy's name. I don't know.

He said that he kept to himself and he and few people really talked to him or knew him. He was just a janitor, did his thing by himself. And that was kind of his deal. Apparently, after all of his incidents he would change his identity and try to keep to himself that's what he would do he'd try to keep quiet for a while so it's so weird though yeah he came may 31st is when he resigned so he didn't come into work the 27th or 28th came in the next day with different haircut and a different truck and then quit on the 31st, which is a little bit, uh,

you know, suspicious five days after the abduction. So they, during, they said that, uh, he also had lied on his resume and everything saying that he worked for the department of transportation.

It's very fucking weird. And, uh, they also found Blum's, uh, barber who also confirmed that he had a haircut on may 29th there and he even dyed his hair so he's doing a lot here so a uh uh following the disappearance of katie he started driving a chevy suburban to work instead of his f-150 which is

what caught uh caught somebody's eye he told one of his co-workers that he quote smacked up his truck yeah right i smacked he's the type of guy who when you say what happened to your truck he goes smacked it up says a lot about a man right there yeah did you crash it or did it like make you mad and you punched it doesn't matter yeah it's broken now that's what matters smacked up it doesn't work so a neighbor also says that he talked to blum on friday may 28th two days after the abduction and asked him where his truck was because he saw him driving the suburban these people are so nosy about everybody's car i don't give a shit what anyone is driving i don't do you notice your neighbor's cars oh is that he got a new

altima over there who cares no i don't know what they are jesus i've never that's wild the other thing is like for a janitor seems to have some money a ford f-150 and a suburban are fucking expensive and 12 acres or 15 acres at a moose lake yeah sounds. You don't have to rape and murder, bud. You're doing great. Sounds like he's doing all right. Maybe his wife is doing okay. So this guy, the neighbor, said that Blum told him that the truck's transmission was broken, and it was at his brother's garage until he could afford to fix it.

So also, on June 18th, Blum told the police that he sold his truck to his brother and delivered it to his brother's house the previous month. So he's like, I don't even know what you mean. He told the truck that the police of the truck needed a new motor because it was barely drivable. Blum's mother also said, told police that Blum did not sell the truck to him. Blum's brother said this, that no, he didn't sell it to me. But he said that Blum might have understood that he sold in the truck. He might have thought that I bought the truck, but I didn't buy it.

Well, did you give him money for it? No? Then you didn't buy it. No one should think that. He still owns it then. Then he still, did he sign it over to you? Like, there's ways that ownership transfers can't just be like. Whose name is the truck

in and who received cash for it if none of that happened and it's still in his name that says still his truck all of that would help so the brother said that he and blum had discussed the katie's abduction and blum expressed concern that the police would investigate him because of his past and because investigators were looking for someone with a black truck. And he also told his brother that maybe I should get rid of this truck so they don't bother me. That looks more suspicious than hanging on to it. Terrible. If I was him and there was abductions in the area, I would go to the police station just to go,

I didn't do that, by the way. I know I've got a past. You want to look around my house? Go house go ahead i'll spit in a cup i'll jerk off in a cup i'll do whatever you need i wasn't there i'm jerking off anyway in about 10 minutes so you want to throw a cup down in front of me that's your prerogative it's all yours your prerogative here so yeah anyway the search for katie continues uh not to search for Katie, but kind of the whole search for more evidence of all this. They searched. They take more items from his property. They take everything.

They just kind of take everything they can here. They were at first, the parents the whole time were hoping that she was alive still. They were hoping that. They were saying that they felt that she was alive and they felt that you know she was being held somewhere and uh so it's it's bittersweet obviously you want to know what happened and you want closure but you don't want that closure to be my daughter is now a tooth in a fire pit that's not the closure you're looking for here so um the parents say this is uh i'm sorry this is patrick her brother at the they had her memorial and she he says donald blum killed her but he never got her soul she'll always be in

my heart that's very nice so the family very nice they have a big you know thing they have uh don't forget katie buttons because they're trying to get laws changed to keep sex offenders in jail longer you know if you rape teenage girls at knife point maybe you don't walk the streets in two years yeah i mean i'm so i'm so i'm just shocked that that was not a thought ever until fairly recently i guess you know in the 90s it wasn't even a thing no we never even thought about it that's unbelievable he's it was just like oh yeah he's just horny and weird. Yeah, you can talk to him.

Like, no, clearly this is a pattern. There's a guy that's had weed twice. If we catch him again, that's life. What? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah, this guy's abducted seven young girls. No problem.

Now, more bones are discovered here. Two men discover bones on August 29th, 1999, exposed in a shallow pit surrounded by trees in Carlton County. They thought the bones looked like a human whose feet, hands and head had been cut off. Thought it was like dismembered bones. They thought the intact skeleton would have been about five, six ish in height, the size of a person. And they said they noticed it because they they noticed the smell of something dead and discovering and then they discovered this uh so they also told the investigators that a pool of body fluids appeared to be beneath the bones so when they come out to

check them out um they uh the the investigators find that based on the thickness of the ribs the bones were a bear and not a human. That's what it was. It was just a dead bear. Yeah. So for that, Jesus. And I took a drink of water when you said pool of perfect. That was a tough swallow.

So apparently the medical examiner told the deputies to just dispose of the bones. And then a defense contact, a defense investigator for Blum later on contacts the police about the bones and then a defense contact a defense investigator for blum later on contacts the police about the bones and they had thrown out all evidence of them photographs the bones everything's gone and they're like well we wanted to prove that was a you know someone had abducted someone and done the same exact thing after our guy was in jail was the whole point and then they couldn't do that so it was never never you know done uh pursued at all uh also they so the dental remains they bring in board certified forensic dental expert dr ann norlander and this woman you know does everything looking at this tooth to try to find out what's going on here um at first she

didn't think it was even a tooth but then the the more she looked at it, she thought it was a tooth. Under the conditions the tooth had been recovered, any DNA might have been extracted from the tooth pulp and might have been destroyed. So they said that it could have been destroyed, and she had to resort to kind of other shit. She came across what appeared to be filling material in the tooth so it confirmed to be a human tooth obviously animals don't get fillings and it made it possible to determine could it be katie's tooth fillings consist of an organic matrix and an inorganic filler material all right the organic matrix burns off leaving the filler particles behind. That's a way an analyst can identify a brand or at least a brand group where the filling might have came from. Manufacturers use as many as 50 different filler types and any of which will show up on an x-ray, that sort of shit.

So they identified it as a dental filling and tried to figure out the elemental composition and microstructure to be studied for classification based on distinct chemical signature. Wow. It's just a piece of a tooth. It's not the whole tooth. Not the whole tooth. We can't compare it to anything. Yeah.

They said at least Katie could be eliminated as a source of the tooth if it didn't match her dental work. At least they could try to do that. So the composition of the filling of the tooth from the fire pit matched that of the fillings used for Katie's. In addition, researchers managed to identify it as a number 18 tooth

and to determine that it was from a young female. Wow. Chance that, you know, could have been in her mouth. Either way, some fucking young lady's tooth has been burned in this fire, so this is bad. Either fire. So this is bad. Either way.

So this is obviously not DNA evidence, though, because they can't get it out of it. So they're going to hang on to that. They work on the jersey, the Don Mattingly jersey. He, Blum says, I never had a Yankees jersey. I know what you're talking about. Okay. Blum's brother-in-law says that he gave blum the jersey gave you the mattingly jersey bro what are you talking about

so you came over and were like i'd like to have me a donnie baseball oh that's that donnie oh man why don't you take this one that sweet lefty stroke into the short porch oh man i want to watch that also uh one of his co-workers told police that or he contacted police saying that he also had seen Blum wear the jersey to work as well. So people have seen you fucking wear this. One of his on September 8th, Blum said that he was wearing a New York jersey that night, which he might have got at a garage sale or from his brother-in-law. But then later on, he will testify in court that he does not own a New York Yankees jersey, and his brother-in-law never gave him one, and he hates the Yankees and fucked on Mattingly. Just, nope, nothing to do with it.

Huge Mets fan, rather have a Dykstra jersey. That's it, I'm looking for a Wade Boggs of that era. So, in jail, he's charged with like i said kidnapping illegal possession of a firearm which is a federal charge given his prior convictions not allowed to have any firearms anywhere near him so then in september he says he wants to make an admission i want to tell you something he says he works out a deal where he would talk after he called members of his family. Okay.

He also makes a deal saying that if he makes this deal with them, my wife, nothing happens with my wife. She can't be charged for anything. And she gets to keep all of our property and vehicles and everything else. So they won't seize that. That's part of the deal. That's a weird deal to start with. Well, wait till you hear later on some stuff that his wife probably should have fucking said. She literally perjures herself and then gets to keep property because of it. It's fucking disgusting.

So anyway, it's weird. So he ends up talking about that during this whole thing when he's talking about making a deal. He also makes escape plans. And then they're discovered by police because he tries to involve other inmates because he's a moron so now they stick him in solitary confinement okay so his attorney rodney broden tried to dissuade him from making any kind of deal saying that you know you're probably going to get life in prison they're not going to give you not going to go fine 10 years right if you tell him you killed a girl and burned her at your fire pit they're

going to give you life like you're fucked here dude you're not getting better than that so blum said he wanted to put the whole matter behind him wanted to get it out of the way just get it over with he uh he's been in and out of prison so many times on shit like this he believes he's going to get out yeah why he has every other time he even said they even made a deal that if he does you know give them the information that they want he can receive his incarceration in north dakota so he could be near his family to visit him and uh three defense attorneys sat in the room and they he's fully advised of his rights he's sitting there talking fully advised of his rights with three defense attorneys so if he says anything,

it is, you can't get more of a fucking, I meant to say this, then three attorneys who've told you the risks and everything else. And you said, no, I want to put this behind you behind me. So September 8th,

he says that he's going to do it. He's going to talk about it. He even calls a reporter and he said that, uh, he said that if, uh, he had, he was going to talk to the police. And a reporter and he said that uh he said that if uh he had he was going to talk to the police and if the reporter came back on monday he'd quote tell him tell you what everybody wants to hear so they said um yeah they also said was it the tooth that was it katie's tooth found in your fire pit and he said quote it could be that's not good that means it could be someone else's tooth

that means to me that's horrible which means there's more people that have been burned in his fire that means for sure she was burned there and also this is this is like if israel keys and stephen avery had a son they had they'd have this fucking asshole so he makes a confession September 8th. Two and a half hours of teary-eyed blubber. He said that on May 26, 1999, the day of the abduction, he went fishing. That's nice, simple. And then drove home to Richfield. He said, however, later that night, he returned to his Moose Lake property. He just had an itching for it, a hankering.

He said on the way, he stopped to purchase liquor and have a beer at the bar. So he said he had seen Katie in the store doing some work, you know, cleaning shit up, stocking shelves and shit. He said he didn't know her, but he said he made a grab for her just out of a kind of a spontaneous grab, which I don't believe because he cased the fucking joint an hour and a half earlier. So also, it's a weird thing to say and very gross and very gross he said that she had run outside and he followed her and forced her into his pickup and then drove her out to his fucking trailer in the

in the middle of nowhere okay he says quote i don't know if it was just out of guilt or something or whatever, feeling stupid. But then I choked her and killed her. None of those feelings. What? Or whatever. Just feeling stupid. I'm feeling stupid. I better choke this teenager to death.

That'll make me feel less stupid. Yeah. What the fuck? What is he talking about? He said that he choked her from behind, saying it took 20 minutes. What? This fucking monster took, he can't even fucking strangle somebody correctly to put them out of their misery. This fucking monster.

That is a long time. Yeah, that's horrific. That's absolutely brutal. Yikes. He does not admit to sexual assault, though. He goes, oh, I didn't have sex with her. This was the one time I goes oh i didn't have sex with her no this was the one time i kidnapped someone and didn't have sex with them i just i took a grab for with the plan of i guess murdering her what you've never had any intention of just murdering anybody you've

always been worried about your dick any murder would be to so they don't run away and tell about the raping that's the murder that's what that's for he then says that once he knew she was dead he took her out to the fire pit and put her in a fetal position in the fire pit then he said he gathered wood and paper to make it burn like fence boards that's not enough you can't burn a body with wood and paper it doesn't get hot enough it just doesn't get hot enough you It just doesn't get hot enough. You can't. We've talked about this before. Yeah, it doesn't work. No, you need accelerants. The fire has to be like,

what did we find? It was like 1,600 degrees or some crazy shit. It's an incinerator, not a fire pit. You need ether-soaked wicker balls. Yeah, you need our 4th of July fire, at least.

But this is like, this is ridiculous. So they don't believe that about him. He said he did push her into the truck and he said he did choke her to death and he did throw her body into the fire pit those things are true but he said he did not use an accelerant to burn her which is completely untrue because we found people who soak people in gasoline and have everything else and there's still half a body left it's a four-day fire there's still a whole foot it's yeah just what do we do with this now so uh he did say that the bones recovered in the fire pit did belong to katie he does admit that he says he said that

he did not sexually assault her again but quote he may have been thinking about it good lord but it may have been thinking about it but that which may have been thinking about it. But that which to me, that's admitting he did it right there. May have been thinking about it for a liar like him. If it's if it's even a thought, then with a guy like that, it's it happened. Fuck. Yeah. So they he claims not to remember a lot of the details, including his interactions with her, what she said, what he said to her. All of this shit.

That's very important to, you know, do the whole deal. Also, forensic scientists confirmed the presence of gasoline residue in the fire pit, which could be from another fire. Who knows? But probably not. He did say, too, she was kicking at him and trying to fight back. But he just kept choking her. They seized 960 items from his home and his account inconsistent from the evidence both the videotape evidence the burn pit claiming he walked out he claimed he walked out of the place

with her with his hand on her arm or shoulder but no he was behind her with his hand on the back of her neck he says that he does recall her asking him several times to let her go, although she had not fought him until he was choking her at his property. Yeah, because she was trying to reason with her kidnapper and get out of there without hurting anybody. She's trying to humanize herself to get out of the fucking thing. So he would be, you know, maybe he would turn into a human for five minutes. He said he had managed to kill her with his bare hands. He said the incineration was just wooden paper, obviously, like I said. And when they asked him about it and said why, he says, you know, doesn't make much sense to me either.

He says that I just don't know why I did it. Not even sure. They said, so the remains are Katie's. And he said, I guess so. They said, what do you mean you guess so are they how many fucking remains do you have are they there or not if so there's remains in my fire but i know exactly where they came from probably he said he didn't know the answer and then he was asked then whose remains were they and he said well i was asking that myself man yikes just in a circle so when the interview was over he called two local television stations to tell them what he had done he said i admitted it now

can you leave my family alone that's what he said now that i've admitted it will you leave my family alone so this deal also gave seized property back to his wife, Amy, including the Moose Lake acreage, the home in Richfield and the family vehicle. So, yeah, there's that. This is fucking crazy. So then he recants his confession after that. Of course. Deals off. He said he made a false confession because of the stress of solitary confinement and the, quote, 10 medications he was taking.

Or the overwhelming mountain of he was taking or the overwhelming mountain of evidence or that's the other thing or all of this evidence yeah he said he'd been hallucinating and had believed in his hallucinations in this thing that the only way to escape the cell was to tell them what they wanted to hear what kind of drugs do they have him on that sounds great i would love drugs like that that sounds amazing dude i saw it was like a rainbow figure with like a unicorn horn and he told me he said you just tell him what you want what they want to hear and you'll be home magically that's good stuff i was like i murdered them all i murdered them all he said he was not in his right

mind when he confessed but now he claimed that he had not known what he was saying so the cops the district attorney said okay well we'll yank that plea deal then and uh thanks for that info yeah because yeah if you proffer it up and it's not you don't adhere to still use that in court well that's usually the problem is if you're they'll have like different deals they'll have a deal where if you're a witness they'll have a proffer deal with you where you can say you did all this shit none of it counts you know what i mean because you're admitting some shit you're going to get immunity for this is kind of a different deal where yeah they can pull it back but then everything you didn't live up to your part of the deal so anything you said

they can now use still so you fucked yourself pretty good. He the plea deals rescinded. The defense now brings up Donald Christensen. What about him? What about Donald Christensen? We think he did it. Wasn't our guy. Now, the guy that gave all the information from work. No, no, no.

Just some other guy. Not that guy. That was Hutchinson. That was his name. Donald Hutchinson. This is a different guy. Donald Christensen. Apparently, police were investigating Christensen as one of the possible suspects they had 300 leads they were working on so there's a lot of them uh christiansen was he's a fucking

scumbag i mean the guy's done all sorts of terrible shit and then when he was in jail he said he told someone quote i did it but they'll never get me for it they got blum now that's what he told someone in jail but he might have just been fucking trying to keep safe in jail that's i mean people brag so much in jail and say so much bullshit in jail uh the police had ultimately eliminated him as a suspect because there was no evidence whatsoever connecting him to the crime so uh but the defense says he said that he did it. He's six foot tall, 170 pounds, had curly blonde hair at the time of the abduction. So he looked like they were similar looking from a grainy surveillance tape.

His friends and co-workers identified him in the tape and said, we think that's Donald Christensen. And he also owned a New York Yankees jersey. Donald what? No, this is Christensen. And he also owned a New York Yankees jersey. Donald. No, this is Christensen. He has a jersey, too. He has a Yankee jersey, too. Same size, same hair. Damn it.

He also was on a rural property about 35 miles northeast of Moose Lake during the time prior to May 28th. And on the night on or around May 26th witnesses heard quote female screams coming from the vicinity of the property okay he changed his appearance after the abduction by cutting his hair and growing a mustache changed vehicles in early June failed to show up for work for May 24th through June 4th was acting strangely and told friends that he would go to jail for doing something bad, asked a friend to get rid of a knife for him, claiming it was tainted, then fled to Texas after information about an alternate perpetrator showed up in the media. Oh, my God.

That all looks bad. Also, he has a history of sexual assault and aggressive behavior, including a 1995 conviction for sexual assault of a young petite female whom he held by the neck and shoulders, threatened with a gun, and transported in his truck to a rural area. God damn it, I hate them both. I hate them both. There's two assholes in the same area.

They're out in the fucking woods together. Rape each other. How about that? Let's have a fucking rape slash fight club with these two one of them will die many pieces of shit to do this fuck a sexual assault victim of christiansen upon seeing the surveillance video stated quote he put his hands on my shoulders by the sides of my neck and was trying to reassure me he wouldn't hurt me he was standing behind me just like in the photos of Katie Poyer being kidnapped, which seems like a common way, though, because I've seen this many times.

This is how guys control somebody, like it's a leash. So also Christensen had a, like I told you, had the jersey, had all that shit. But Blum and his defense also included evidence that christiansen was on a property 35 miles away so he said what about that how about that uh the teeth were burned too badly for dna like we said um that didn't quite work out oh by the way did i uh well the da says this isn't about dna it's about his confession that's the biggest nail in his coffin. Talking about Donald Blum. It's about the witness seeing him at the gas station and getting most of his license number. It's about the receipts placing him in the area.

It's about him being given a New York Yankees jersey like the one being worn by the kidnapper on the surveillance tape. So we don't get around. So we don't get to pound in this one nail. We'll pound 10 others talking about the lack of DNA. A lot of circumstantial evidence oh by the way in addition to being a definite piece of shit multiple kidnapper rapist general society's worst donald blum also possibly is a serial killer okay that's the other thing they think uh let's talk about callie joe larson who was a

12 year old girl oh for christ's sake who was murdered uh and uh the police said we'd be fools not to be looking at him for this he said that uh blum and other suspects are just people who've not been able to account for their time during the window when she was killed or people who have violent histories of sexual assaults they're also looking into blum's connection with a case from 1983 uh we'll talk about in a few minutes here in which a transient woman's nude body was found near the saint paul cathedral in minneapolis strangled and beaten so according to police blum called the department's homicide unit a few days after that death claiming yeah he had been on a bench near the cathedral and witnessed the killing out of the fucking blue he did that bullshit that's 101 that's our guy that's our guy 101 right there oh i didn't do it i just

saw the whole thing i'm gonna help you guys uh look for the killer that's not me definitely not me definitely not me i mean i've been busy for the last four days i couldn't give you guys a call to give you a head start on it but now that i think about it he was killing that lady i certainly want to steer this investigation towards somebody else oh my god this was wilma jean johnson who was 44 found shortly before 7 a.m i am wearing only men's socks one black and one gray her clothing was found in bushes about 20 feet away so um they said they don't know about blum but um it was also pouring torrential downpour rain that night. So they were like, pretty much the only people out are rapists and murderers.

No one's just sitting on a bench watching a rape murderer that night. It's just not happening. I was just enjoying the wash. I brought a bar of soap, sat down on the bench and just. I brought some Irish spring with me. I'm going to get refreshed. It's not that high. of soap sat down on the bench and just i brought some ire spring with me i'm gonna get refreshed out there hi i just saw a zest commercial and i really wanted to try it i'd like to be zestfully clean it seems like fun so uh he said that uh the case is open and they're investigating it and all that sort of thing um they also said that a veteran st paul police officer recognized blum's name and

remembered the johnson case and that's why they're reconnecting him to it now they said though that the all the other crimes are not a top priority right now they said let's work on this one and then move on um callie joe though the 12 year old that we talked about um he's one of a dozen suspects in the murder of callie joe larson this was in april so the month before she's the 12 year old that we talked about. He's one of a dozen suspects in the murder of Callie Jo Larson. This was in April. So the month before she's a 12 year old who was raped and stabbed to death, which is fucking horrific. Jesus goddamn Christ.

In a phone interview with KBJR TV in Duluth, he said he had never heard of Larson or the crime. And when the reporter asked, said that Callie Jo Larson was found hung upside down, Blum said, that's a pretty gross thing to say, I think. And the reporter said, that's a pretty gross thing to do. Were you involved in that? And he said, no, I wasn't. That's the right phrasing.

To say, what are you talking about? And then the reporter asked him, do you have any remorse for, you know, killing Katie or for any of your other crimes? And his answer, this is wow. Quote, I have a hard time answering personal questions over the telephone. You're going to steal my information. Wow. That is fucking bonkers. Personal information. Oh, boy. boy then he says this is bullshit

he's never going to be able to get a fair trial they've already convicted me out there not like you know because i'm guilty but still he said that everyone's made up their minds that he's guilty then he says quote i don't trust the government okay so that's the guy. I've seen them lie. Okay. The sheriff has not followed all 3,200 leads like he says. It was 300, by the way, not 3,200. Katie Poyer could walk through that door and they wouldn't believe it. He says that it's hard to ignore. He said, you know, yeah, I got human remains on my property.

Sure. Because they asked him about it. He says, quote, I don't know who those bones are. Oh, no. I don't know who those bones are. You can't say that. That is not an acceptable excuse. I don't even know who those bones belong to in my own property.

I'm not sure. That's terrible. How many? Oh, my God. Is he saying he doesn't know who those bones belong to in that not like they were inside somebody, like they possessed it, or like somebody possessed it and left it up at my house? I mean, either way, I'm not sure of the bone. They could have come from inside of someone's body. Maybe they're, I'm not positive.

What a crazy thing to say out loud. And he also says, I'm 50. They said the guy was in his 20s. So there you go it's not me he said quote a bunch of evidence says it's not me he said i lied to them in september when i told him that i killed katie he's like i was just desperate to get out of the county jail that's why i lied so you'll never hear me lie and say i did something i didn't do i strangled a fucking nice 19 year old woman especially that yeah well he said and this

i hear all the time when you're in county awaiting your trial and doing all that and you you have like a plea the guys want to get to prison as quickly as possible because the accommodations are better the food's better and shit like that so that's what he was saying i just wanted to get out of county so i said i killed a teenager he said i just started giving a statement and at the very end i stated uh i started getting a bad taste in my mouth i couldn't come out and say that that was katie's body there he said um yeah so they said the sheriff said no we followed all the leads i don't know what you're talking about um there's also three other St. Paul cases involving girls 13 to 15 years old that he is a possible suspect in as well. Yeah, they said that these are older rapes from 89 and 90, so they don't know if the MOs aren't exactly the same, but maybe it wouldn't be because it's 10 years ago. So we might have progressed since then is the the idea.

I guess it was two Maple Grove rapes in 89 and 90 that may be similar. One occurred 2 p.m. September 20th, 1989, as a woman walked through Battle Creek Regional Park. A man holding a knife came up behind her, grabbed her by the hair, took her to a secluded area in the park and raped her and uh told the victims things about himself that would help the bloomington police with their investigation too which is weird i'm you know like i'm yeah five foot eight uh yeah i don't know what my favorite shows in living color like it's 89 i don't know this is so so much and so frequent it's happening so much that how how does min put this out and say, listen, there is somebody, there's a Minnesota monster. We stay in.

Many. How much do they love their tourism? Yeah. Come here. It's beautiful. How much do they love their fucking lakes? Catch some walleye. Never mind.

God damn it. Just keep an eye on your daughters. That's all. Don't bring your daughters fishing. The second attack occurred in the same area of the park about the same time of day about a year later. god keep an eye on your daughters that's all yeah don't bring your daughters fishing the second attack occurred in the same area of the park about the same time of day about a year later the the victim you put a sign up or something the victim was roller skating high rape area i'm not sure a high like rape likelihood zone i don't They put signs up, don't drink the water.

Why not say this? Why not? You know, deaf children in the area, they put up signs that say there's all sorts of shit. I don't know. So this victim was roller skating when a man walked up behind her and put a knife to her throat, took her to a secluded area, and raped her, tying her up with her own shoestrings. That's despicable. her up with her own shoestrings that's despicable uh the uh the august 7th 1990 a woman was grabbed and raped as she was walking along the bike path at rogers lake park in mendota heights

he said the attacker walked past the woman then grabbed her from behind threw her into the bushes and attacked her oh and what about holly spangler in 1993 holly Spangler is from Bloomington. She was a 19-year-old student who was found stabbed to death in a city park. Yeah, this is fucking... Her roommates reported her missing after she failed to return from a party that she was going to attend on this time. They used search dogs. Police officers finally discovered her body in Bloomington Central Park five days after she was missing. They searched the area after receiving a tip from someone who saw her car near the parking lot.

It was. Yeah. So they said, we don't need someone to call us and say the killer's name. We just need someone to call us and say I was in the park. You know, I just whatever. Ask me questions sort of thing. So she this poor holly spangler here they they said that they were scared that this was a there's multiple homicides

in the area at the time in 93 and they were scared there was a serial killer on the loose her purse was found under her car seat nothing was missing from it this is the same type of thing um she never went alone in the park is what her mother said because that's what she told her mother but 19 year olds tell their mothers shit to make them feel better oh i would never go alone but yeah they're gonna go so um she did there um so anyway they police were seeking basically a man who fit his description was who they were seeking at that point for that. They thought they had a subject.

They are a suspect. They had a guy who was 29 years old at the time. He had blood on his shoes and he was seen near there. So they tested out his blood. It turns out it was his own blood on his shoes. He had nobody else's blood anywhere. Leaky son of a bitch. Just leaking.

No blood anywhere else on him of anybody else's. Only his own blood. So that's good. When they do have serial killers, they should give them like insulting nicknames. You know what I mean? Yeah, like the shriveled nutsack killer. Yeah, like the Pittsburgh pussy fart or something like that. Yeah, something like that.

The Jacksonville jizz rag or something. They should give them just like the most insulting shit the police can. And the police say horrible things. They could think up some really great ones. Yeah, I'd say the soft dick Sarasota stalker. Soft dick Sarasota stalkers in town, everybody. Watch out. He's got a limp dick, but he'll kill you.

That'd be great. Making fun of his mocking nickname. Yeah, just mock him. San Diego saggy balls, whatever the fuck. Yeah, that'd be great. Anything awful. Calling him names all the time. and just fucking put it on news headlines constantly that'll make him mad and that'll do it oh man so anyway the defense has

a defense here not for spangler we're back to katie poor uh poor year our poyer so donald's defense now blum he's one of them is there was blondish head hairs found in his pickup truck, but they did not match Katie. So who the fuck knows where they came from? But they weren't Katie. Fingerprints and palm prints lifted by investigators from the from the scene of the abduction there. The store didn't match him either. But there was a million people in the store.

Who knows? It's a store. It's a store. Yeah, he didn't have to touch anything. So they authorities received security videotapes of Blum while he shopped at the Menard store in Richfield just days before the abduction. abductor the menards film showed blum with marked similarities including hair length style facial features posture and the coloring of his sneakers so they're saying all of this goes with that's him also there's lineups the subway lady picked him out like we said he says though the composite sketch doesn't look anything like him so what the the fuck? They made a bad sketch. It's obviously not me. Imagine if every serial killer could just do that. That sketch doesn't look anything like me. It looks like none of them. Remember the Richard Ramirez sketches?

Nothing like him. He would be on the lam forever. Totally free. Granted, he doesn't look like anybody, but neither does that sketch. If you could put a smell on that sketch maybe we could catch him but that's that face is not him that is not him yeah does he smell like a goat can you have like stink stink lines coming off of his head rub that sketch on a goat's asshole then we'll catch him stink lines with little pictures of goats next to it. Like a garbage bin with flies and shit.

Yeah, yeah, flies. Also, one of Blum's defenses is that my confession wasn't even what happened there, obviously. So I confessed falsely, which means I said things that weren't true and didn't give the whole truth. So obviously that means I'm innocent. Because it doesn't match. What happened then? because you know who knows that no fucking shit and then finally he said what about donald christiansen the other guy he's a rapist too what's up with him so um yeah he it's it's kind of silly so anyway november 2000 he goes to court for his federal gun case he's got that going on still he uh ends up being convicted there and the the players are very happy the the brother says quote one down one to go so

one more trial to go the father says this is the greatest day we've had since may 26th so that's when she disappeared since katie's been gone so um he said this is william pince he said that he was disappointed but not surprised this is donald's brother he said i felt looking i felt it looked dim from the beginning which your brother's pretty dim too i felt the jury was biased because of that other murder case you know those murder cases all those pesky things hanging about they could see her family sitting there every day they could see grandpa wearing a find katie button god damn it they were like we're stalking this motherfucker like i said you let him go we'll grab him when you're fucking outside when you let him go so you better hope they keep you asshole i feel like is

the general vibe that they're giving off because that's what my family would be giving off. They'd be wearing shirts that said, you better hope they fucking keep you. I've gone and separated my family from my life. I don't think anybody's going to be there. Well, if you're in an Italian family, even if you're not in with

everybody, if there's violence afoot, everyone's joining in. I haven't talked to you in 10 years. We fucking somebody up? Great. Where is it? There's violence? Let's go. Yay. Violence. My family would be like, oh, that asshole hates us. Who cares? He unfriended us

on Facebook. We're just jacked for any violence, especially if it's righteous. If we can go afterwards and go it's for the kids it's for the children you know i mean these fucking guys out there was morally justified we had to cut his head off i mean there's nothing else we could do about it he can't keep letting him out of jail you know we tortured him for about four hours and then we dismembered him that's how it works what are you gonna do good to us felt good he's in a river don't worry about it so he uh dirt he's found guilty on federal

gun charges during sentencing he's unshackled he's in civilian clothes he stands at a podium donald does and reads a 30-minute statement none of which is contrite or apologetic yeah or anything like that the hurt in minutes he denies killing Katie, which he's not being charged with in this particular case. It's kidnapping and gun charges. He yelled at the prosecutors and witnesses, including, you know, anybody who was there for alleged lies and accused the government of pursuing the gun case to avenge Katie's death against him. the gun case to avenge katie's death against him he says and i quote it's an immature use of power to take my life away on the assumption that i would be found guilty in the state case he says the goal is to put me away guilty or not that's what he said but you've got guns and you're a felon well the prosecutor said his criminal record began about 34 years ago

uh he has nine adult convictions eight of which involve violence so that's not fuck this guy with that many he wasn't caught for everything that's that's just no way there's so much he's we don't know what he did think about how many especially if he's burning he figured out not only can i do i have to kill them i have to disappear them you got to get rid of it all yeah you can't just leave a girl in a park or you know and then say i was on the bench and i saw it that's not gonna work that's unbelievable that people are capable of that truly because i mean after you finish like how sleepy are you you know what i mean this guy gets it together to get rid of a i can't i can't i can to get rid of a... I can't... I can't... I can barely get rid of the load, James.

Yeah. He's got a fucking... Oh, man. I got to dismember... People dismember people. But he definitely... The one where he said he was sitting on the park bench, I'm sorry. That's the number one thing that murderers do is try to insert themselves into the investigation

and to call up to go, I just wanted to tell you I was there and saw the whole thing. I didn't do anything. I just sat back and watched a woman get raped and killed in the pouring torrential rain. Normal. I was at a murder. I was present. I was just hanging. What are you doing?

That's ballsy. And I was like, wow, isn't this weird? This guy's raping and murdering her considering I'm one of the most prolific rapists in town. Is he trying to show me his techniques or like is he trying to impress me what a fucking scumbag rain is lovely what you sit in the rain that's just sitting there so the prosecutor then said the bottom line is he kidnapped and raped a number of young women and children of 18 17 and 15 there were a lot of serious crimes uh then he said the government is proud of what it's done in this case and would do it again this is when blum stood up and slammed his hand down and

interrupted and said quote i can't listen to this this is bullshit in the middle of court this is before he sentenced by the way before he sentenced he says this there's nothing better than swearing in court on a whim it's on a whip then he apologized for the outburst i'm sorry judge i don't know what i was thinking i just showed my monster side i'm so sorry about that then the judge said that's all right i get it emotions run high um he said but quote you have been treated you have not been treated differently it's unfortunate you've chosen to minimize your conduct though you sir may fuck off maximum allowed by law 19 years and seven months that's all that's that right there is very indicative of the fucking problem that's the maximum allowed for federal gun charge and a kid oh okay and kidnapping and kidnap but for some reason who's got guns and

he's kidnapping folks that's crazy it's 19 years and said it was between 15 years and 19 years seven months was the sentencing guideline here for federal so he complains from jail he uh he writes a handwritten letter accusing the judge of being swayed by public and political sentiment as well including uh in the ruling that allows the confession to be used as evidence. Because he's like this is because coming up, they're going to allow his confession in as evidence in his murder trial. And he's mad about it. His attorneys argued that the admission was part of a failed plea bargain attempt and should be suppressed. And but no, he said, quote, I will.

I know you will make more obvious rulings for the prosecution. You're you allowed the prosecutor and others to lie and stall eight months now. You're a liar and you'll live with it. This is what he wrote. This is what he wrote. A judge in his case who's going to preside over his murder trial. You liar. You.

Oh, that's not smart. He also accused the main witness of lying against him in the gun case. He said that was bullshit. He claimed that a Minneapolis couple who told the police they gave Blum guns as payment for work on their house. He said that later they admitted they were after the reward money. He also charged that prosecutors rewarded another witness by not pursuing charges against him. witness by not pursuing charges against him that witness was an ex-convict who blum had befriended in prison and had testified that the two had hunted together using guns so anyway july 20 or 2000 is the trial murder trial yeah they move it because of the publicity obviously can't have it

in downtown moose lake yeah but if yeah? Where are you going to move it to? Fucking Mars? What are you doing? Well, you move it to Virginia. That's far enough, I guess. Virginia, Minnesota, that is. Down the block. Where they have the largest southern rock show in all of...

All of Minnesota. The largest soft rock show. It's just like gold and quartz and stuff you can just like a hit with a rock and it'll break it apart comes right apart so the judge said yeah they chose virginia minnesota because it's as far away as they could get i guess i don't even know where the hell it is but oh it's 65 miles north of carl which is the seat. So 65 miles away doesn't seem far enough away to get away from this.

You would hear about this. The newspaper doesn't get there. No. Jesus Christ. That's the distance between like my house and Mesa. That's hysterical. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I wouldn't know that happened.

There's a serial killer running around. I heard all about Jody Arias. So the judge then takes steps to shield the jury from outside stuff like they haven't heard it all already. Orders them not to talk about it with anybody else, blah, blah, blah. He is indicted on the first degree murder charge which is nice now the state's case is he confessed number one uh he said he killed her and burned the body so there's that um witness saw him co-worker said he did all that other weird shit changed his car changed his appearance quit his job um testimony of experts by the way we're going

to get into some serious for about two minutes we're going to talk some serious dental science for a second here. Oh, yeah, you're going to know more about fillings than you ever fucking wanted to know for about a minute and a half, though. Okay. Also here, yeah, the defense, though, is saying that it's the other guy, number one, and his wife has an alibi. saying that it's the other guy, number one, and his wife has an alibi. His wife said during the time the prosecution alleges there was an abduction, he was home with his wife. That's it.

Done and done. Even though he admitted earlier to going out and drinking and he has receipts that he was in there that night, well past the time he said he was with his fucking wife. And a witness that has his fucking pipe there. Yeah, it's bullshit here so anyway another thing during the trial he looks a lot different for the trial like a completely different guy they said his physical appearance is completely different looking no

longer long hair and a beard blonde hair now he's more gray he looks like so now he looks like an older man trying to look more gentle he's yeah the uh mark johnson the fiancee of uh i'm sorry this is her fiancee's father he says this is senior here oh senior yeah so we know it's real he says it's almost like he's trying to say to the jury i'm too old and weak to do what they said i did to katie right yeah so start the trial tried that shit too yeah look at me i'm feeble that shit doesn't work with 98 year old nazis they still drag them to court it's not gonna work with you at 50 not gonna work with you at 51 when they literally just dragged a 98 year old secretary out of her fucking house to a trial in in europe so that's you're not getting away dude sorry

it's pretty funny tell you so uh he says that you know fuck this is amazing they said you're about to see and here's the opening for the prosecution you're about to see and hear evidence of a crime so tragic and horrific that your memories will be permanently etched with the name and image of katie poyer and of donald blum um the defense attorney said i don't want to mislead you mr blum did some of the stupidest things you could possibly do on his way to getting here for the trial the stupidest thing was making a statement or confession to a crime he did not commit that's what they're going to say. So first witnesses testify.

The police chief testifies about getting the call about the whole deal, about watching the tape, and he said, quote, somebody was walking her out of the store. They bring the Hanukkah lady in there to the subway lady to say what she saw, said he was walking back and forth at 10 p.m. and then followed him at 1030 p.m. away. She said when he got out of the car, he was stumbling and couldn't walk straight and appeared to be intoxicated. So this was at the subway. He had asked Hanuk if she was done for the evening making sandwiches, and she told him that she was done. And then he was wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

He said that he got into a dark-colored pickup and left. And that was Blum. She said she identified him as that with the license plate and everything. Now, the family's reaction is a little bit – they don't know how to take this, as you would. It's horrible so they said they had to sit through the opening arguments and talk about what was done to her her grandfather this is uh katie's grandfather he said in some ways the testimony hasn't made katie a real person yet just a name and a graduation photo it'll get harder for us it is and that's it's really difficult, man.

It's fucking brutal. They said, we're relieved that the trial has started after the confession, then his denial of the confession and all that's happened. It's the day we've been waiting for. Now it's real and everything has changed. So the fiance to Mark, he said he quote, it'll be hard sitting there listening having all those awful days come back the days when we hoped and prayed for katie to come back to us it'll be very hard i fucking bet jesus christ so in the middle of the trial he says you know what fuck this lawyer i want to represent myself hell yeah i don't want to deal with this guy anymore who the fuck does he think

he is with his law degree and his bar fucking state license no this guy right here i've never heard of an innocent guy doing that no it's fucking nobody does that nobody does that ted bundy does that right because it never works so he made a request it was clarified during questioning by the district court and uh all this shit the court told him that a request to represent himself was quote not a request to allow different counsel to represent you and he stated that yeah i know that already he said quote i would just rather do without legal attorney that's what he said when asked for the reasons why he wanted to represent himself he asserted that his counselors were giving him a quote snow job i don't trust the government they're liars my council's

giving me a snow job jesus fucking christ this guy is just you just know this asshole you just know him yeah he's oh he's such an asshole And they said he they were he said they were minimizing his defense. He's like, we need a vigorous defense. And they were not bringing out vital parts of his defense. Which are what? He concluded by saying he wanted to go on the record that he could, quote, prove without a doubt that his attorneys were not defending him 100 percent. That's the other thing. Not only do you have crazy thoughts, but you can definitely prove it 100%

that that's crazy shit that I could never prove and is very subjective is happening. Right. If you know people in your life that sound like this, this is who they are. So I know a lot of them. So he said that, yeah, he had the right. The court said that he understood that he has the right to be represented by counsel.

And he said, yes, I do. Don't give a fuck. Give me my shit. So they go back and forth. And Blum said that he thought the trial had, quote, been going pretty good in some areas. But I think there have been too many areas that have not been touched. And the court explained to him, the judge, that maybe the counsel that you have didn't address those issues because they understood from their legal training that either they're not allowed to be brought up or fucking that it's not good strategy for you. They're lawyers.

They're lawyers. And so they said that they note judge said to him about his lawyers quote quite honestly i would say your counsel have been fighting zealously which has been evidenced by the number of rulings and motions and requests that i've had to rule on in these proceedings they're constantly throwing shit out there now amy testifies amy blum the the blum namesake here all right she uh she says that uh it she's the first defense witness by the way she's not she's for the defense she testified that blum returned home at 9 30 on the night of katie's disappearance ignoring the fact that there's receipts and witnesses that place them right yeah um she said that uh they went to bed and when she woke up in the morning a pot of coffee

had already been made. Therefore, she believed that he must have been home the entire night. He's up making coffee, having a Folgers morning over here. She also accused the police of threatening to take her children away if she didn't answer questions the way that she wanted, the way that they wanted. Which was probably like, if you're lying, you're going to go to jail and then your children are going to be put in protective. That's probably what it was. She also denied ever seeing a baseball jersey in the clothing given to him by the family, by his brother and also his brother in law restated to the jurors that one of only six witnesses was able to identify Blum in a lineup. Well, that's because they didn't see him. The only one claimed to have seen him. He also called his own forensic odontologist to counter the testimony of the prosecution's dental experts. And he said that Blum's earlier confession was a mistake and should not be taken into account, too,

is the other thing the defense said. He claimed another man had confessed to the crime but wasn't arrested he's doing all this in court for fuck's sake so uh he said he denied uh kidnapping her he said his wife had threatened to commit suicide due to media pressure and that's why he confessed to the kidnapping in order to take the pressure off his wife and to get out of his cell so yeah he said that there's no way he was home before 10 o'clock, well before the time of the abduction. He was fishing. Gone fishing, buddy.

I don't know what to tell you. So, yeah, when the prosecutor cross-examines Donald, he only gives yes or no answers and says he's never seen the baseball jersey. And anyone who's seen him wear it must be mistaken. Now, quickly with the tooth science, okay? All right, quickly. A forensic anthropologist testified that the bone fragments and tooth that were of a young adult female between the ages of 15 and 24 with a median age of 19.4, which I think is exactly what her fucking age nailed it. The anthropologist analyzed the burn skeletal remains to determine the condition of the bones before incineration.

She concluded the bones had an organic component and therefore were fresh. The anthropologist also stated that the full skeleton was not in the fire pit and the cause of death could not be determined. A Duluth dentist testifies on october on august 27th 1991 he had placed one soft surface occlusal ala alalgam cavity filling in katie's lower left second molar tooth number 18 remember that the dentist testified he prepped the cavity with drops in a swedish cavity lining material containing a large amount of zinc. The second Duluth dentist testified to have been treated her on May 12th, 1999, less than two weeks before the abduction. amalgam filling using a bonded acid tech acid, etch, etch,

acid, etch technique and a three M bonding product known as rely X arc. The dentist testified that she first used this bonding agent after receiving samples from the previous month, April, 1999 from a three M distributor at a dental convention, a three M chemist. Jesus Christ.

This is all brand new shit too. So not many people are going to have this. No, that... Jesus Christ. This is all brand new shit, too, so not many people are going to have this. No, that's the thing. It's all brand new. A 3M chemist who supervised the development of the RelyX arc testified that the product was first shipped to the marketplace in March 99. That's when they...

It didn't exist before that. Two-month-old technology. Yup. A forensic scientist in the Bureau of Criminal Apprehensions micro analytical section testified that the tooth recovered from Blum's fire pit was consistent with a human tooth number 18 that had been treated with a dental amalgam that had been bonded to the tooth with Rely X arc.

Finally, a faculty member of the University of Minnesota School of Dentistry testified that the recovered tooth had been treated with acid etch technique. Based on the comparisons between the tooth and jawbone fragments found in the fire pit and Poirier's x-rays and medical records, the state's two forensic dentists testified that to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, the tooth belonged to Katie. They were based on, on yeah all of that shit that i just told you so it's a lot but the fact that you had to have had this put in within the last two months is a lot right there and she did have that done so um yeah he uh tries to get another expert in that basically says it might not be her just saying might not i'm not for nothing

you know it might not be her that's all i mean right now what if it's somebody else james and he's like going hard to like try to tell the one thing he can't say is it's not her i didn't burn her there it's this other chick that i did burn i killed someone else who must have had dental work recently you guys are wrong don't put me in jail for that they found they found bones everywhere so they found bones under under his trailer too gee they couldn't match to anything so yeah the uh now the the their dental expert says that it's a human tooth number 30, which is the lower right first molar, and said that it could not have belonged to Katie because she didn't have any filling in that tooth. So not her. And then the state's chief dental expert said the tooth was not a number 30. It is a number 18.

You suck, my friend. And that was that. You're bad at this. You're not good at this. And that was that. You're bad at this. You're not good at this. So approximately two days before the trial, after reviewing all the information the expert had, including chemical reports, even his expert changed her conclusion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty that the tooth was Katie's.

So even his expert agreed that it was probably Katie's. Now, verdict comes in. And, you know, it's pretty circumstantial i guess i mean the dental shit is pretty damning and yeah you add it all up it's a lot it's a big shit pie to to to dodge it's a lot so the verdict comes back shit pie james you could probably take a nibble of it but this is a giant piece of it it's a big you to eat it's a big thanksgiving piece like nah grandpa's full and every so we gave you extra you know it's don't let it go to waste there's ice cream starving children in africa or whatever the fuck they used to tell us whatever they used

to tell us to eat shit right so the verdict comes in he is found guilty of first degree murder god damn it thank fuck yeah guilty so uh sentencing comes around and he's been an asshole the whole time he's denied it this is our bullshit a judge loves this type of shit so they get to sentence him and it's uh you sir may certainly fuck off life in prison eat dicks no parole enjoy yourself asshole and uh and he's also it was in federal prison forever too now amy blum after the trial she says this by the way she was giving him a fucking alibi like that's a lot that's a lot she was riding hard for him yeah that's clearly a lie too she said now i can talk i was afraid he was going to be acquitted and then i'd have to be afraid of him but now that he's convicted i can tell the truth you bitch that's what she said she said now i'm not saying shit on the stand amy that's what i mean on the fucking stand say it you

fucking asshole this is ridiculous they i'm so mad at this i hope they i okay i get that he's an abusive asshole and you're afraid there's a fucking dead girl she's dead not abused dead dead is dead that's it you you're protected at that point you could have fucking said something people testify against the fucking mafia you couldn't have testified against this fucking scumbag in a Yankees jersey. Ridiculous. So she sent an email to two Minnesota legislators stating that Donald Blum had abused her for years and that she did believe he murdered Katie Poyer. She admitted that due to her state of mind at the time of the trial, she had been unable to tell the truth. You're a fucking amy she said she falsely testified that he'd been home with her that night but now she was ready

to recant that testimony she was no longer married to him and no longer under his control she said she could tell the truth he wasn't home that night um at all he was gone she said that she endured donald blum punching and kicking her for seven years i believe that yeah she felt guilty that she had allowed it and ashamed but she felt helpless to do anything else but endure living with him yeah that's terrible i i totally feel for her until she gets on a witness stand with a guy that's already been convicted federally of 19 years and seven fucking months he's not coming out for a long time you're good you can testify against him you tried to get him off that's right a 19 year head start you can create a new life any fucking where in 19 years yeah and even the fact even if she he

still had some control over her and she was afraid because she was abused i get it you're on the fucking witness stand there's a dead girl there's a family sobbing that give me a fucking break put them away forever then tell the truth yeah so anyway i mean at some point i'm all for anything trauma's bad but at some point you gotta fucking sack up and you gotta fucking be a person and you gotta fucking do the right thing you have to i'm sorry no matter how fucked up your head is you have right but it's more than that because you she's given help the the help is there and 19 fucking years he's never going to be near never coming home that's what i mean change your name you can do so much shit you've been given the opportunity take the fucking opportunity he was already convicted um rectify it she felt like she felt uh helpless to do anything but

endure living with her with him she hoped one day to ask Katie's family for forgiveness but understood if they didn't wish to hear from her well at least she's got that hindsight of it where she understands it you know she believed that she gets that that's the important thing is Katie's family you know she believed that she ultimately she could not have prevented

what happened to Katie as she had no control over her husband I believe that too but if she knew he did things in the past like this, she could have turned him in and whatever. But I get it that that's not really possible. She said that he went to the lake property frequently to fish at the properties that Katie was killed on. He told her very little and she had not known even before the investigation that he'd been

married twice before. She didn't know that he'd been married twice before she didn't know that he'd been married before he had taken her last name to try to conceal his past but she thought it was just a flattering gesture yeah he just loves me so much because guys that go hunting and fish and do shit like that yeah you know they love to they love to take their wife's names real teddy bear guys that are not traditionalists it goes over real big down at the bait shop the other guys are like oh wow what a sweet guy you are that's great hey i heard you got a maiden name there yeah what's your maiden name pussy that's what they'd be saying to you

how many walleye you catch there blushing bride she uh she says i now know that i was in many ways his hostage paralyzed to speak up which yes that's i totally get that i totally fucking get that she uh she said that uh the sons to blum's sons affirmed the violence describing amy's bruises and black eyes all the time he's beating her eyes all the time he's beating her up all the time he's a piece of shit she had attributed his foul moods to bipolar disorder and had learned to behave in submissive ways that didn't provoke him that's horrible what a horrific nightmare no the fucking life she led he doesn't have a disorder he's his disorders he's an enormous piece of shit yeah uh now she even says that after the police initially found human bone fragments in the fire pit yeah she asked donald about them

like is that true right he turned to her and said you're not fucking stupid are you like yeah of course yeah to her she said that was an incriminating statement but she desperately wanted to believe that he was innocent why so we can come out and beat the shit out of you more i get that that's the the how you feel about it but that's that's so sad she now believed that her husband had committed other crimes including other murders and so do the authorities uh blum had led katie easily from the store as if he'd done that before. So they suspect him in multiple, multiple murders all over the place. So the reaction to the verdict here.

Yeah, this is a Carleton County commissioner who operates Ted's Glass Service in town. They just asked local residents he said everyone you taught you're going to talk to is going to be delighted it seems like the good guys win once in a while so uh yeah everybody's saying that they're all it's like a big celebration another one uh the wind the wind tree restaurant some older lady says good and slams her fist on the table this conniver lied his whole life she says another woman who operates arts cafe said quote she felt a combination of every feeling imaginable including lots of happiness but she said none of that will bring katie back obviously um it's they're talking to like teenagers now now teenagers are all scared to work at gas stations

and shit of course you should be yeah you should be like parents aren't letting teenage girls take the night shift good you know uh one girl who's 17 said quote it shook up the community a lot especially for kids my age girls working alone at night yeah no shit um that's fucking crazy so it should be a vicious piece of shit man behind the counter at 2 a.m oh just a the shawarma man should be there what do you want with a fucking cleaver in his hand what wearing just a wife beater with like stains on it you need pork rinds at 2 a.m you take throw money on counter from there and get the fuck out of my store. That's what they should go. No, five feet.

Stay the fuck back. I hit you with cleaver. Just angry. It's a crime and sports reference. Sorry. Why you need sweet tarts at 2 a.m.? Fuck out of here. Jesus Christ.

Why you need? Pay at the pump, asshole. For why? For why you come now? christ why you need it for what asshole for why for why you come now he uh so other people though express some doubt here uh one person ron isaacson who works at a gas station he said if i were on that jury i don't see how you couldn't convict him he's one that believes that he did get convicted right especially because he works at a gas station he like, I don't want to be kidnapped and raped and burned. Another one, operator of Grandma's Addict Gift Shop,

which sounds like it's from the Hallmark movie we're writing. I've never doubted that he's the one. She said that I hope that he is the right one, though. He is. Don't worry. So his federal lawyer, his lawyer that defended him on the federal gun charges, even said that the confession was the killer for him. He said, you got to do that.

This is a lot. Then he said, and this is a terrible quote, considering how it goes. Listen to this quote. There were a lot of little pieces that went into it. Yeah. Come on, bro. That's how you can't say that. Yeah. Come on, bro.

That's Terry. You can't say that. He said, I don't think there was one piece of evidence conclusive on this, but you had all these little pieces of evidence piled on top of each other. Bro. Put the shovel down. You fucking jerk. Shut up. Put the shovel down. You're digging a burn pit.

You fucking moron. Shut up. All these teeny tiny body pieces. Yeah, he said, from a juror's point of view, it starts to look like a mountain, I would say. So one Ramsey County judge, Kathleen Gearing, said, quote, how do you explain human remains on your property? That seemed to be pretty strong. How do you explain a human tooth on your property? Right.

I don't have any human remains anywhere. I just don't just don't i just don't have it i've only been here six months uh you never know could be from what i understand the guy who lived here was a real fucking nightmare so who knows you never you never know so another local defense attorney here said that uh quote whether it's katie poyer's bones under his trailer or not is really not the what's important you're not supposed to have anybody's bones under your trailer there you go that's the that's the one and the confession nobody's going to believe that he's going to confess to something like that that he didn't do and then he said that uh he placed a great deal of weight in the fire pit evidence he said how many fire pits in northern minnesota do you think

how you that do you think you have to dig in to find the remains of a young woman that you're looking for? Which makes sense. The special agent in charge of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension's northern Minnesota division of investigators said that they thought from the beginning

that they had enough evidence to win even without a confession. He said, when we arrested him, when we arrested him, we felt at the time that we had the right guy. As we continued to investigate, we just became more assured that one piece fell on top of another piece. Jesus, stop saying piece. And there was really no doubt. Now, a local defense attorney disagrees. He says, this case was basically tried before it even went to trial. I saw this as nothing more than a formality, and it would be rubber stamped, and that's exactly what happened. Okay.

I'll look into that guy's background because it was a fucking nightmare. He's diddling people maybe, allegedly. We don't really think that. That's an assumption. So Blum's family, they see it a little bit differently. They see it differently here um yeah they said no we think he's he could have been better here uh his brother and one of his ex-wives both called the trial unfair oh boy so at least one of his ex-wives uh bill pince who was

his brother said that he thought the jury was bombarded with evidence against blum by the media and law enforcement authorities you know like a trial the jury they just kept showing them evidence I was like hey let's take like a have an art lesson or take lunch or something but we just get they just keep showing them all this evidence felt like it was a little unfair yeah Jesus I mean the media yeah the jury's not supposed to be influenced by that but they are supposed to be influenced by evidence he said you're dealt with a first impression and it stays in your mind i don't think anyone deserves that i don't think that anyone should be railroaded like that fuck off um he says as far as he's concerned his brother is innocent that's what he says he said

if he was the poyers he would be investigating other pops abilities including that katie is not dead check that out she could have just ran away from you she's off living her life somewhere yeah 19 with a boyfriend and a job and goes to college she's just done with it all visits her family four times a week loves them all very close everybody does anything every never done anything crazy in her life all this shit but now she's down in a tent with jesse the body uh collecting absolutely off the grid she was a big plan she said she told her boyfriend put on a don mattingly jersey and come pretend to abduct me please for the cameras and then we'll then we're free after no that didn't happen she said quote and then this asshole will, said, quote, it's not an ironclad guaranteed fact yet that she's dead.

He means what a complete asshole. Plus, he said the trial was held far too close to Moose Lake. I kind of agree with that. Yeah, it's a little close. He said that the Virginia, Minnesota jurors likely felt pressure from neighbors to hand down a guilty verdict. Yeah, probably. As of Wednesday,

he said he had not decided whether he would attend the sentencing hearings. He said that before the sentencing. Now, Deborah Pence, who's his first wife, 70 to 73. She said, I think he was tired and I think he was tried and convicted even before he

went to trial. She said that she didn't attend the trial because she felt it would have been unsafe for her and other members of his family because everyone hated him and wanted to kill him. She's still on board with this guy. Oh, she's on board. She said, I just think it's very unfair.

I know of his past convictions, but I think it was a very sad day for everyone involved, including his family and theirs. Remember when you divorced him three years after marrying him, you asshole? I know he's done this. She even even said i know of his past convictions but i really think it's a bad day for not only our family but katie's family too obviously they're they're what a fucking asshole this person is then bill again his brother says that he sees the outcome of his brother's trial

as a warning assholes like this love the system, love seeing assholes put in jail. Would that guy get busted for dealing drugs? Fuck him. He can go in jail for 20 years. But if something happens to a member of their family, all of a sudden it's this fucking, oh, it's the power of the government coming down upon the little people and they turn all fucking righteous and holy. All Wyoming rancher trying to say he's got, you know what I mean?

Like, the fuck out of here. They all turn into that shit when it's them. It's the histrionics of this bullshit pisses me off. You know what? Fuck around and find out. That's what it is.

Fuck around and find out. You fucking, you got knocked out of bounds fourth down bitch fucking get up and punt it or fucking go for the goddamn first but don't bitch about it afterwards this this pisses me the fuck off man don't say you love that shit and this is the rules we're all playing by as soon as it comes down to you because you fucked up now it's the system suck a dick how's that How's that system of dick sucking? You asshole.

Bill Pence. You fucking twat. Free range grazing motherfucker. Yeah. I would like to invite Bill Pence if he's still alive. Fingers crossed he's not. If he's still fucking alive, come to our Minnesota show next year and explain yourself. I'll give you a fucking microphone on stage and you tell me how every

fucking buddy there was against you and your fucking brother i will give you the floor you're gonna have 20 fucking minutes and then you get the fuck off the stage and we'll make fun of you for the rest of the fucking time go home fucking cunt face so he says quote if it happens to one person it could happen to all Americans. Now, this is what I mean. This is what they do because I am. Look at me. We're this.

We shouldn't be. We're good. That's fuck. Wow. I think it's a sad thing for Americans to lose that quality in the justice system. That's our bottom line. It's a justice system. That's our bottom line is a justice system for all. Your brother a predator he's a predator that's a for sure yeah and then he

carries guns as a felon so either way he should be either way for a very very very long time and if you just go to ask people on the street hey even without that shit should we put this guy in prison here's his record they go fuck i will bury that guy in my fire pit right now. Fuck him. Somehow the law just didn't catch up to him until now, you fucking jerk. Yes. Then one of Katie's family members said, in some ways, Katie kind of became public property that day. She says that Katie became a cause that brought hundreds of volunteers to search for her,

got some changes in the law and woke up a few legislators about how vulnerable we are to sexual predators. And that law is Katie's law is known as a law that, uh, yeah, it's longer, longer, uh, sentences for sex offenders and some more supervision after they're out of jail. 2006, Donald says he's ready to talk about other cases. Now he's ready. He's ready to tell. Get it off his chest.

He says he's ready to offer more. In a letter he wrote to the Bloomington police sergeant, he wrote, quote, it's time to talk. What do you think, Bill? He said that. Did you change your opinion of your to talk. What do you think, Bill? He said that. Did you change your opinion of your brother yet? What do you think? He says he's willing to answer questions about some local unsolved homicides. He's ready to fucking say what he is.

He's in there forever. He wanted a deal, though. He hoped in exchange for information, he'd be transferred to a prison closer to his relatives. And they agreed to the deal and arranged for the transfer and they went in to see him in the hopes of closing all these fucking cases and when they got there he's just being a manipulative twat um he yeah he's just a he's just a fucking scumbag he was uh he when they arrived with the transfer letter the expected confession confession didn't happen instead he was talking about other things and he did this for three days just bullshit and went in circles yeah and then they

said fuck you then so um yeah possibility of other murders like we said callie joe we got hallie spangler wilma johnson and there's more there's fucking more uh absolutely he uh the wilma johnson one i was there and i saw it, but I didn't do it. Just a coincidence. Two horrible sex fiend offenders in the same place at the same time. Fucking disgusting, man. What a piece of shit. Yeah. So anyway, he told he told also investigators during this whole thing that he might have killed a man near St.

Paul's High Bridge as well. But I don't know where the fuck I ended up, what I did with him and shit. Like he might have went in the water. I'm not sure. And they never did find a body. But we don't know how many people he's killed. Men, women. Yeah, it's numerous.

In 2007, the Minnesota Supreme Court denied Blum's third petition for a new evidentiary hearing, claiming his confession had been coerced and that he had been improperly denied the opportunity to gather evidence demonstrating his innocence the court decided that his claims were procedurally barred so he had effectively run out of options and they basically said you can fuck off and eat dicks and we don't give a shit about you currently there he was serving his time in a different state in pennsylvania and then he ended up being transferred back to minnesota in 2017 so he's in a minnesota prison in his 70s in his 70s 2015 the fond du lac tribal and community college foundation announced that

two law enforcement students currently attended currently attending their college have been awarded the Katie Poyer Law Enforcement Scholarship for 2015. This was back then they started it. Yeah, there's a bunch of applicants for it, and it's a new thing they're going to do. Established to honor and remember Katie Poyer, who was a student there, and her career goal of becoming a law enforcement officer. and who was a student there and her career goal of becoming a law enforcement officer

and scholarships are provided by the Poyer family and the Fond du Lac Tribal and Community College Foundation in memory of Katie. And yeah, so there you go. That's how Katie's living on. And what a complete

and utter irredeemable piece of fucking human garbage. Yeah. Him, his fucking fucking brother all of them fuck that whole family man fuck them all i think i'm i think i'm most shocked that uh that there had to be a katie's law in the in 2000 you know in the 90s you know i mean like that yeah that's ridiculous there's certain things that when we put people in for and we let them back out quick they just keep doing it and it's not robbing a convenience store they do that too but i mean honestly unless you're shooting someone what are you getting 60 this is a teenage girl just got it's really amazing they're not even just the murder but and disappearing of of girls but like

the the snatching of innocence and the and sexual crimes, I cannot. But it's baffling. It's not been taken serious for so long. It's fucking crazy. So that everybody is our story. That is Moose Lake, Minnesota. And if you enjoyed that story, by the way, I know that story has been told. They was on like four different TV shows like 10 years ago.

Yeah. And you get a lot of something. Then the case tends to get some coverage. Plus the possibility of the other bodies. And then there's been a couple podcasts, too, that did it. But I'm like, you know what? I didn't listen or watch any of that shit. I'm like, we're doing it on our own.

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Facebook at small town murder on Instagram. Jimmy enough said. Hit me with the names of the people who would never kidnap us and burn us in their fire pit. Hit me with them right now. This week's executive producers are Tubby T-dubs, Shauna Ciprion, and she sent money to say happy birthday to Brenda in Texas. Well, thank you. Melissa Turner donated twice.

Wow. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Melissa. Yeah. Thank you. Jordan. Yeah, twice. Thank you, Melissa. Yeah, thank you. Jordan Bennett, Laura Boit... She told me how to pronounce it.

Bica. It's Bica, yeah. Okay. And Kevin Hoydall also. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. It's really... Thank you so much. It's fucking overwhelming, truly.

Really. Other producers this week are Corporal Carl Kirshner, whose wife loves milk with pizza, James, and we enlightened her that that is psychotic behavior. What else do you like? Ketchup on your eggs? What the fuck are you doing? That's fine.

Ketchup on shit eggs is fine. That works. Milk and pizza don't go together at all, ever. Also, Christine L., Sarah Gardner, Laura Peek, happy birthday. I'm talking bad eggs. Yeah, really, any eggs. I can't bad eggs. Yeah, really, any eggs. I can't eat eggs. Yeah, you can't eat any.

They're all bad for you. Sorry. John Hughes in Australia, Jess Capanella. Oh, Andy Pants is a process server, James. Oh, boy. He got called a fuckhead and then jumped in his car and put us on and felt better. Good, good. I've been called a fuckhead during that many times, so I hear you.

Also, Janice Hill, Michael Billingsley, Nancy Weaver, Dylan Jones, Larry Butterfast and his beard are going to run a half marathon. And then he's coming to the Brea show. So can't wait to see you, Larry. Well, shit. Run on over there, brother. See you there. James Marder, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows, Brandon Gochel.

Happy birthday, Brandon. Happy birthday. He proposed to Brandy through us and she said yes. So evidently we do all their communication as a couple through this show. Brandy says they are the trash boys. They don't even know each other. They don't even know each other. They've never met.

Steven Patterson, Chris Hayman, Chris McConville, Christine Greenison, Cal Bruce, Melissa O'Brien, Jamie with no last name, Jennifer Harper, Aspen Welker, Dear Mr. Potter, Cian Lee, Lee probably, Dirk Nickers, Emma Berry, Alexandra Nesha, Duncan Kruminga, Obi-Wan Jacoby, Hayley Adair, Erica Magliocetti. These Italian names are ridiculous. I actually have known a girl. I knew a girl in high school with that last name. Was it Erica Magliocetti?, Occhetti. These Italian names are ridiculous. I actually have known a guy. I knew a girl in high school with that last name. Was it Erica Magli, Occhetti? No, it was not. I know the last name, but not the first name.

There's many of those. Kathy Osler, Paul Haynes, Graydon, Graydon McQuoid, Tara Plunkett, Carter Millam, River Robotham, Hollis Styron, M in the space in between dave nicks dave alexander travesty lalonde hannah naxon stacy lou alley castella what the fuck castellarian robin knight jack ismay uh mark mark hughes that's jackie i think she goes by Jack. Cody Coughlin. Tori Meadows. Lindsay Attencio. What? I don't know.

Attencio. I don't know. Julie Holm. Nate Harvin. Christy Lynn. Richard Johnson. Good for you, bud. Sarah Susibowitz.

Fuck! Going great. Queen Uzi. Sue Van Valkenburg-Grice. Dominique. suzabowitz fuck going great queen usi su van valkenburg grice dominique probably wilkins

karina mcgee jace baddiston keanu himalaya matt lindsey maggie with no last name

jason orgel matthew redden bailey dalton sarah templeton stephanie mcnichols madison manning tim nifle nifle maybe amanda murray dan c Matthew Redden, Bailey Dalton, Sarah Templeton, Stephanie McNichols, Madison Manning, Tim Neifel, Amanda Murray, Dan C., Emily Gore, Nicholas Ochoa, Logan Bartlett, Andrew Weger, Chance McBance. Did they really give you a rhyming name? That's brutal.

That's so they don't make fun of you. We'll just rhyme it for them. We'll do it together them we'll do it together we'll do it ourselves matt pacheco joe gates caitlin connor nicole vanderwood uh live with no last name paul smithson heidi you what is this yuli savanto fucking what coda king paul connors reagan with no last name amy schrub alicia ready uh and uh anthony vigil matthew nope that's michael carbone carbone i don't you guys hey it's a mikey carbone frankie's little brother victoria erickson shane drake murphy daniella smith heather uh hashingo iman uh clements uh amanda Iman Clements, Amanda Dornicki, Shelly Strike, Stike Stilkey, LSS, Michael Hathaway, Mark Albrecht,

Holly Sharping, Morgan K., Luis Ames, Ashley Conkey, Doug Woodson, Sparks Blackstar, Cheryl Olson, Ashley Conkey, Doug Woodson, Sparks Blackstar, Cheryl Olson, John Brady, Justin Klepacki, Katie Simzek, Sarah Lubacher, Alexis Roosevelt, Carly Ritland, Mitchell Estes, Krista Gordon, James Petrigallo Jr., Angie Johnson, Johnny Salamino, Bumble222, Charlotte with no last name, Shelby Wicker, Megan Pratt, Jen Patterson, Darla Luke, Caroline Zanetti, DeCampos, Clint Connor, Nick with no last name, Christopher Bradley, Maureen Smith, Aaron Olin, Katie Schwan, Tiffany Mueller, Baby Horse 26, Patricia O'Brien, O'Byrne, O'Byrne, A.J. Kite, Ella Rogers, John Blaze. Oh, look at that. Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy Amanda, Tracy Fisher, Bet Bet Beto with no last name. with no last name, Alice Capper, Megan Allegretti, Russell Bauer, Jess Cade, Shannon Daly, Hannah Thomas, Charles, nope, Chris Charles, Elmer Quasada, Sarah Ramadan, Pauline Matthews, Jamie Shank, Amy Ehler, Amy Ehler, yes, Alicia Elisheba, Elisheba Mann, Michael Moore, Karen

Moore, Karen Maroney, that's what that is andrew keen sean harrigan zoe uh williams just another hillbilly c c uh seymour butt sex good for you travis goldsmith lachelle o'neill shannon marholz cody saunders steve solomonson uh casey worth cc bressy uh kim with no last name john parsival andrew. Andrew T. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. T. Achillea. Tycala. Lucas Sanders. Lynn Morrison.

Veters Sievers. Terry Maimone. Terry Maimone. Taylor Peters. Jason Littlefield. Seamus with no last name. Paul Drivers. Angela with no last name.

Talia. Betsida. Betsida. Betsy inside you? I don't know. Jason Littlefield-Shamus with no last name. Paul Drivers-Angelo with no last name. Talia Betzida? Betsida. Betsy inside you? I don't know. I'm trying to read it as an innuendo. It's not even possible. Emily also. Brooke.

Debbie Buell. Katie Holt. Riley Flanagan. Jeff Cooper. Ada Whittle-Williams. Sue Coy. Danielle Aker. Sean Weidemeier.

Weidemeier. Morgan Howard Dodd, Devin Helvis, Steve Ashby, Jessica Zumalt, Kimberly Kamas, Cody Remy, Randy Costolano, Alexandra Zazdova, up to no good. There we go. Trisha Mitchell, Lori Stevens, Danielle Child, Sarah with no last name, Patrick Engel, Ashley Raul, Ariana Stevenson, Jennifer Braginski, Mariah with no last name, Lisa Covey, Lindsay Balling, Jeremy Payne, Pauline Walton, Keith with no last name, Carrie with no last name, Pauline Walton, Keith with no last name, Carrie with no last name, Abby Wig... Oh, boy.

Wigner a jaw. Dan Dewar, Gabe Rembold, Ryan Bowater, Eric Webb, Emma Harmon, Cassie Tidwell, Courtney Anderson, Kat Cronin, Marissa Doorman, Whitney Shields, and Ollie B. And obviously, all of our patrons. You guys make this whole thing worth it thank you so much thank you everybody so much from the bottom of our hearts we really do appreciate everything you do for us thank you thank you thank you we hope you enjoy this and enjoy everything that we do for you jimmy what if they wanted to do something for you how could

they find you oh i'm on the internet and we may be the only podcast that doesn't actively uh try to make our our followership on social media we're terrible at that it's not about us it's about you so thank you guys you can find james on the internet too where james you can just look up the show small town murder we're the hosts and you can follow us to it we don't care we're interested in putting out a good show i'm not a fucking social media person. I'm a goddamn comedian who's trying to put out a fucking murder show

with my friend. That's what we're doing. That's that. So with that said, we'll continue to keep doing our best. If you do yours and please don't kill anybody.

Jesus Christ, what a mess. Stay nice to each other out there. And until next week, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today.

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