Small Town Murder - #250 - Shocking Backwoods Brutality - Dingess, West Virginia

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

This week, in Dingess, West Virginia, the brutality is striking, when a woman's body is found, murdered, several times over, in a shallow grave, covered with twigs, but it's obvious that this was just the last stop, on a horrific ride. After rumors begin to swirl around this small town, the perpetrators of this heinous attack are brought to light, but their fingers are pointing in so many different directions, that it's hard to know who is telling the truth. One thing is for sure, and that's multiple people need to pay the price for what happened! Plus, an extra bonus short murder story, also from the backwoods of West Virginia, that is just as crazy as the main story! Along the way, we find out that just because the town is named after you, doesn't mean you aren't trash, that some people have the capacity to inflict absolute horrors upon others, and that we have the best audience in podcasting!! Happy 250!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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but the many suspects all have their fingers pointing in different directions. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Witzman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today. It's a special episode today. Episode 250.

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we said patreon.com slash crime and sports, or if you just want a shout-out, do it over at PayPal using our email address crimeandsports at gmail.com. And my brain melted. That said, disclaimer disclaimer time we're comedians we are this is a comedy podcast as you've probably noticed from the last 250 episodes uh there will be horrible murder because it's called small town murder so it would be weird if it was just like

well here's a story and uh i don't know have a good one everybody let me tell you about johnny appleseed there's got to be some murder so So we're going to make fun of things. We have to. We're going to make fun of maybe a terrible place, a bad small town, maybe a bumbling police force. Most likely, we're going to make fun of the murderer a lot. That's definitely going to happen. But what we do and we go out of our way to do is we do not make fun of the victims or the victim's family for that matter. Why, James?

Because we're assholes. But we're not scumbags. That's the deal. That's how it works. And if that sounds good to you, if you're an asshole but not a scumbag, welcome aboard. If not, if you think true crime and comedy never go together, well, sorry you feel that way.

And I guess we should maybe part ways now or not. You might enjoy it. You might, because like I said, the comedy might not come from the places you think it will. You looked great. Thanks for dressing up. Go on home. There you go.

Either way, straighten out that tie and have a good one. Either way, though, I think it's time now for us to sit back, clear the lungs, and shout, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. I'd like it. Let's go on a trip. Tremendous. Let's go. We're coming from Mo like it let's go on a trip tremendous let's go coming from moose lake

minnesota what a place which was that story was that was a real like intense deep story with multiple layers and years going back and these crazy convictions and people changing their names right this story is all west virginia that we have for you right here we are going to dingus west virginia right there in the dingus right in the dingus d-i-n-g-e-s-s that's exactly what it is dingus and i looked up how to say it it's dingus it's not dingus or some shit like that it's dingus west virginia which is wild um it's in southwestern west virginia west virginia looks like a chicken that's turned to about 2 o'clock. That's what it looks like. Yeah, I can see that.

It's got the legs coming up. This town would be right in the butthole. This is right in the chicken dingus right here. Right there in the dingus. Right there in the dingus. It's in the middle of nowhere, this place. I mean, it's 50 miles to nothing and 75 miles to up your ass you have to be a real dingus to land here it's what and you do because wait till you hear about it everybody's

named dingus in the town it's so weird man there is some inbreeding happening in this area oh yeah oh so they're the same people it's the family i got history on this holy shit it's about an hour and 20 to charleston west virginia if you want to i guess it's toward more civilization uh an hour and 35 minutes to huntington and then two and a half hours to leyland west virginia which was our oh no the last one was gormania it was i'm sorry i got wrong there gormania so it's a different thing there um anyway this is in mingo county yeah which is named Bloody Mingo. That's the nickname for it. Because these people will find something to fight about no matter what, and they'll just start shooting each other. Really?

Absolutely insane what's happening in this place or what's been happening for 150 years here. It's crazy. Area code 304. Motto of this town, and it probably shares it with a lot of towns in this kind of an area it's just quote y'all ain't from around here are you so this is the most heard word said yeah they skipped a motto all together just that's what they get with a side eye yeah uh history of this town then jesus the community was named after William Anderson Dingus, a pioneer settler. Old Billy Dingus.

Old Billy Dingus. That's right. It's Billy Andy Dingus. You know that's what they called him. As of 1894, they had two hotels, eight boarding houses, four restaurants, four groceries, four sawmills. Saw fours. It must have been a rule of some sort. Rule of four.

Rule of four. And a school with two teachers and about 100 students. That's a bad ratio. What's the difference between a boarding house and a hotel? I think a boarding house is worse than a hotel. It's like a hostel? Yeah, I think a boarding house is like you get a room. You got to earn your keep.

No, I think they just yell at you when you come in. They're like, hey, you dirtbag, keep your your room nice and then i think that's how it's in your manners while you're there yeah i think that's how whereas a hotel they go hello sir yeah i think that's the difference i'm not sure though they're grateful for your money where the other ones aren't the other ones are like yeah give me your dime and get the hell out of here go to your room you treat me like a lady fucking dirtbag uh 133 coal miners lived in dingus at that point uh-huh they're having a lot of kids they had the community garnered a reputation for being completely lawless of all this whole area is it's it's still like this

pretty much it's insane um there's a book called They'll Cut Off Your Project. Is that what they call it? I guess so. It's called your project in this area of the country. A guy wrote. It's your special purpose. Your project. My special purpose.

You haven't seen the jerk. You're missing out on life. So you should see that. It said, quote, old timers there said it was a common practice to have a killing once a month. Like, well, so that's how we're nearing the full moon. Who's going to get it this way? Like, is that a requirement? What if you don't have one this month?

It just doesn't happen. You got to get your quota. As Uncle Jim Markham described. Oh, boy. This is obviously, again, don't isolate it. Not not me saying it this is a black writer from back then quote why a colored person couldn't think about writing riding through dingus they would stop the train take him off and shoot him and nobody would say a word why they would even stop the train and take all its cargo it was a wild country then and it ain't much better now that is staggering that is bonkers i mean i guess you gotta assume that that happened but to hear it verbally said

is extra shitty yeah it's that's crazy wow um from 1970 to 1972 about 17 police and law men of any kind of different types were shot to death in this area, which stretches 15 miles along a creek. They're killing the police, too. There's nobody there. This isn't like a major metropolitan city where there's 5 million people and a cop gets killed once in a while. There's like 12 people there. And they hate the cops. Yeah, there's no law.

They don't want it. It's nuts here. And they hate the cops. Yeah, there's no law. They don't want it. It's nuts here. This is the type of place, like, if you've seen the old Mountain Dew logo, where there's, like, a mountain man shooting at a census agent. That's, like, what's going on here.

West Virginia MC Ren there. Yeah, it's true. The other town we're going to talk about later, well, for, like, two seconds, we'll get into the murder all the way at the end of the show. That town never participated in a census ever. People, they're afraid to go up to the doors they'll get shot they just don't even bother just like i'm sure there's some people there but who cares there's a few yeah so then they don't get any representation either so i mean that's what happens if you don't let people come onto your property fascinating so uh in 1901 robbers raided the community, the whole community. We're going to rob the town of Dingus. Loot Dingus. Yep.

They dynamited a large safe. Wow. According to the November 23rd, 1901 edition of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, quote, citizens were on the scene almost immediately after the heavy report, and the burglars hadn't had time to gather up their booty as a number of citizens opened fire and probably 40 shots were exchanged this place is dodge city no shit but without anybody reporting on it pretty much it's just you know bedlam uh the burglars secured a bunch of jewelry and escaped on a hand car which was later recovered about four miles from Dingus, and there was blood spots all over it. They'd been shot, too. It's pretty wild here. Tons of murders here, and the isolation is basically just,

this has been a magnet for train hijackers and thieves, and it's like if you've watched Deadwood, like the pass to Deadwood. That's what this is. Incredible. They're just waiting. There's a tunnel there. It's, quote, widely known for a mile-long tunnel situated on a country road south of town. It's a 3,327-foot tunnel.

It's a pretty long tunnel. That's not a mile. They said approximately a mile long. That's not even close to a mile. Yeah, that's nowhere near it. It's originally built by italian immigrants okay this is what they did they brought they brought these people and if you've talked if you've known our show from the past that you know pockets full of pasta they're

going here uh the tunnel it opened for rail traffic in 1892 and it's been open to one lane vehicular traffic since the mid 1900s so wow you can go one way just hope no one else is coming for half a mile but it's so isolated probably no one else is coming for half a mile how do you i guess pull over if somebody does there's nowhere to pull over it's one lane someone has whoever's farther in the tunnel the other person stops that's a great point where do you go nowhere you back up oh my god the railroads brought in uh chinese immigrants here to construct uh part of the tunnel for the railroad and uh there you know there was opportunities for jobs here and it became a busy place at this time there's a lot of trains coming through and all that sort of thing

but the locals did not like the influx of what they called quote foreign people these are the chinese and the italians not liking these people at all here uh so they god damn noodles all these damn noodles of every type i can't take it uh according to the stories, roving bands of angry locals would wait at the entrance and exit to the tunnel with guns, and they would pick off anyone that fit their target description. Holy shit. Pick them off. There's no official records of how many, because then they just roll them into the creek, and that was that.

Oh, my. Nobody cared, but there's estimations that they killed hundreds of people, just poor people that were working, just because they thought they felt like it that day. Stories also of masked men that would stop the trains, like I said, and take passengers off in the middle of the night and murder them. It was fucking crazy. Just whoever they didn't like, they would just, well, you're not coming through our town,

and they'd shoot them. This place is unbelievable. It's crazy. Also, they had the tunnel experienced a lot of things. In 1898, there was a fatal train wreck that killed seven people. 1905, it happened again. Don't change anything. Just keep doing it.

Listen to this. How does this happen? There's steep. I always wondered. There's got to be like an air traffic control here for railroads. A head-on collision happened on a track. Yeah. That seems like it can be avoided, right?

Pretty easily. You'd think that just by scheduling it could be avoided. One-way traffic? I don't know. There's a lot of ways that that could be fixed. That's what I mean. Just switches that they have. Yeah.

Head-on collision between a fully loaded freight train. Oh, my God. That's heavy. And a work train with people on it. Echo exploded here. Three people died, but there's been tons killed in this tunnel. This tunnel has just been death central. In Mingo County also in 2016, modern-day Mingo,

it was called, quote, one of the places in America most touched by opioids. So not even kidding. This place is full of inbred junkies. That's the heroin addicts is what this is, which I mean, yeah, people get hooked on shit. But this is a special. This is if you've seen the whites of West Virginia, we're talking about this. This is where they shake the pill bottle and go, that's the Boone County mating call. Right.

That's what we're saying. Recessive genes drugged up is not good. No, it's bad. This is, I'll show you the pictures, Jimmy. Check this out. Turn the screen. This is the, roll your chair, Dingus Post Office. Look at it.

Oh, it's huge. It's a fucking hut. What is that? One of the few remaining period structures from the boom period is this house which is like tilted back it's all fucked up it looks like the boom period they mean like that robbery with all the dynamite that's boom it's the kaboom yeah this is from the kaboom period not the boom that's why it's leaning yeah you know back in the kaboom period you mean the boom period no no i mean the kaboom period. You mean the boom period? No. No.

I mean the kaboom period when shit was blowing up a lot. You can hear it seven hollers over. So reviews of this town. Yeah. There are plenty, which is funny. Here they are. Here's five stars. Great. Love it.

Yeah. Quote, beautiful nature and trail riding. Friendly folks. All right. I love living the simple life. Good cooking as well. Bergogoo as we know from this area so that is just crazy west virginia is pretty i will say that nature oh there's views there is like if you drive through you go wow that's beautiful out there even the white backyard

is impressive yeah it's beautiful but you're like don't slow down don't slow down. What are you doing? Here's four stars. Mingo County has always been my home. Well, that's unfortunate. This little small town may not seem like it can leave a big impact on you, but it can. I bet it can. I'm betting it can. Everybody knows everybody and no one's a stranger. That sounds terrible.

When you come here, you learn about our history, how we do things around here, and how much fun it can be. This sounds coded as shit, doesn't it? This is scary. Whoever wrote this is a dangerous person. The only downfall to this small town is how it's treated. Not many people know about this little town

and all the great opportunities it holds. Don't use the word opportunity when you're talking about, well, talk about the town it's also everybody's learning very much about you right now a lot yes they're hearing plenty i'm probably gonna double how many people know about dingus we're gonna at least double we're gonna way more than double it i'll tell you that much right now my wish for this place is to be livelier with people coming in to come to a home away from home you want tourism to go to dingus well traditionally when you shoot people who come there yeah when you talk about your town and say the phrase how we do things around here that's not

positive we're gonna find out about our history and how we do things around here that's horrifying the the short history i've learned is not that's not safe that's not that's not welcoming no yes very threatening how we do things how we do things here's three stars the crime and safety in this area is okay if you feel are you feel safe in the area because there are no gangs or anything like that there's not enough people for there to be gangs. You need to have multiple people. Yeah, it's not plural, but there's certainly a gang. There's got to be something.

The police are around and there aren't many crimes other than drunk driving and not wearing your seatbelt. Well, we'll be the judge of that. Hope they're doing it at the same time. Yeah, no shit. Three stars. The local businesses consist of gas stations and convenience stores mainly. We need more variety. All the shops that are around do not have a wide variety or very low prices.

You do better shopping online rather than going out to find something around here. Now, here's one star. Not happy. The employment is almost zero. All we have for people to make something of themselves is the coal mines and they're all about to suffer due to the carbon tax this was from 2014 that's recent so that was yeah there is zero employ not unemployed zero employment weird yeah people in this town 1196 that is tiny it's tiny down 38 since% since 2000. Oh, it's dying.

It's in trouble. Yeah. A few more males than females, which it's a coal mining job, so you're going to get that. Median age is just about the same. It's about 38 and a half. A lot of 65 to 74-year-olds, but then nobody older than that because they've died from the coal dust, apparently. Also, there's a ton of babies here. Really?

Yeah. Well, I mean, when you're hopped up, it's hard to remember to put the condom on. It just doesn't work very well. You're like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I'll just put it in you. Married population's high, 64%. Okay. It's just very high, normally 50-50. And there is more single with no children people, too, here, which is a strange stat.

They usually don't get those stats corresponding, but here they are. Race of this town, pretty easy, 100% white. Is that? No shit. Is that the only? 100%. Have we ever done that? I don't know.

We might have done that with a town of like 70 right but not of 11 1200 that's very unpurposed 100 yeah 100 that's crazy uh 28 of the people here are religious that's interesting no god in the minds i'll tell you that right now godless sons of bitches ain't no god down in the hole i've heard guys say that, too. There's no God down there, motherfucker. It's scary. 11% Baptists, 1% Catholic, and I'm sure they're hiding it. I bet you. They're probably, yeah, that's probably not a safe thing to be there. Some Pentecostals here and there. 0.0% Jewish, as if I even needed to tell you that.

Unemployment rate here is high, like pretty high. It's almost 10% now. It's not doing well. 23% of the people here make under $15,000 a year. Wow. The median household income, rest of the country, it's $57,000 and a half. Here it's $28,949 for a household. Oh, my God.

Yeah, very few high incomes, too. It's all very low cost of living here is pretty low it's a 75 out of 100 housing is as low as we've ever had at 26.6 out of 100 median home cost 61 500 it's 291 in the rest of the country i cannot wait to see these well you know what you're gonna hear about them right now and see them because we have for you the dingus west virginia real estate report okay uh two-bedroom rental which doesn't i don't even know if that exists some old reform boarding house or something 700 bucks bucks, which is very low.

Here's the first house. Look at this. Again, is that straight? That's not a house. That's not level. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's reclined like an airplane seat.

Yeah, when you pull coal out of the ground for like a couple, you know, for like 100 years or so, it starts to settle and the house is tilted. So that's what happens. The porch is up off the ground, but the house is in the ground. I don't know what to make of this. What is that? Three bedroom, two bath, 2,520 square

feet. So that's something. There's no pictures of the inside, which means, you know, it's good. That's a problem. It's on a six acre lot. Nice. Which's good. That's a problem. It's on a six-acre lot. Nice. Which is nice. $59,000.

Six acres and a- And a 2,500-square-foot house. And an airplane reclined seat, which is like 13 degrees. It's not enough to fall asleep. No. Just enough to make you feel like you're reclined. Nice to watch TV. Here you go, Jimmy.

Look at this. What is that? It's a shack is what it looks like three bedroom i think with spaces in it yeah you're gonna feel the breeze in there yeah three bedroom one bath 900 square feet 77.7 acres though holy shit of the woods and things in there that you don't want to know about. Yeah. $189,000 for that. For almost 100 acres. Almost 100 acres. A ton. With a shack on it.

So, and then five, that's in Ranger, West Virginia nearby. Then I found, and this is the one here, five bedroom, two bath, 3,000 square foot house. Oh, yeah. An absolute disaster. Disaster. 3,000 square feet of fucked An absolute disaster. Disaster. 3,000 square feet of fucked up. Redo. There's garbage in it. 3,000 square feet of do it again.

Do it over, buddy. I'll tell you what. Start from the ground up. Five bedrooms of take two. Who's got some gasoline? Is there a match around? It's one of these houses. It's on a half acre.

100,000 bucks. So there's that. I'm sure everyone is clamoring not even a picture of it no what the fuck they don't want to tell us no i saw pictures of it it is terrible though uh things to do here bedrooms of whoops a daisy whoops oh messed that one up things to do yeah the west virginia freedom festival oh no freedom to shoot people as they come out of a tunnel is what it makes me think of in west virginia uh this is in logan which is nearby it's from the july 1st to 4th so the freedom thing it's a you know independence day that makes sense yeah they have a kayak raffle which i don't know what that is it has a marvel

logo on it but listen something yeah it's from miles from the 90s it's they have a celebrity dunking booth who are the celebrities yeah let's be realistic here do they got the whites they have prop maybe mamie white comes by and they also have hosted by dj bill france who he is um spinning all the classics of waylon jennings that's you know it's just spinning them all over what we're gonna start back at the beginning of the catalog now uh they're having a block party blowout that night carrie mcqueen still walker will be performing july 2nd through the 4th i shit you not what do you do on still july 2nd through the 4th greg m thompson quote

strolling entertainer will be there. I guess he just walks around doing shit. And then a band takes the stage, Hair Supply. Not Air Supply. Hair Supply. They're going to make some hair metal with Air Supply shit? Yeah. I guess they've got big hair.

Double Vision, the Foreigner Experience Live, Foreigner cover band. vision the foreigner experience live yeah foreigner cover band then finally july 4th departure the journey tribute band is gonna headline them look at these guys departure look at them his hair is having a departure i am wearing a journey t-shirt as we do this that is hilarious well so is he you have to give the same t-shirt on as the guy with no hair. I think it's the same. I think it's the same one. He's got tails and a coat. What's another word for a journey? I don't know.

I guess departure. Is the strolling entertainer in this? He likes to journey. Departure. Fuck me. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, of course, is about half the national average for property crime. People are so far away and they're all pointing guns at each other. So there's really not a lot of opportunity to steal anything.

Men, violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about 25% under the national average. Is that right? But also, how much do you think is reported? Right. So that's what we're talking about we've already discussed that yeah i don't think a lot are reported so that's the problem that said count it up as chalking it up to a loss that's it whoops i guess it's a loss

i'll write that off oh well now that said let's talk about a murder that was reported let's go back we're not even to go back that far. No. We've been in the 70s. We're going to go into the 2000s this time. Oh. September of 2002. Uh-huh.

So not that long ago. And this story, when you hear about it, it definitely sounds like it took place in the 50s. Yeah. And it's from 2002. So whenever you're thinking about things just think these people have cell phones yeah these people this is like they can text these cell phones have cameras on them like yeah yeah flip phone camera at this point this is post 9-11 yeah this is think about that just know that that's

happening right now when you hear this story and go where are we where are we now a horrific discovery is found this day in september of 2002 it is the naked body of a woman oh fuck found in a clearly unpurposed dug you know purposefully dug shallow grave very shallow uh basically just covered with some leaves and twigs and stuff. Not even really that much of an effort. There is a shoestring around her neck that is also connected to her hands. What? Found behind her back. Like a hog tie. Yeah.

Like so if she moves. The neck and the hands rather than the feet and the hands. Yeah. It's horrible. Well, you'll find out why. It's absolutely terrible. She you'll find out why. It's absolutely terrible. She is bloody, bruised. I mean, battered.

Looks like she's been killed three different ways. It's horrific. She's covered with sticks and twigs. She's missing an ear. Oh, man. An ear has been taken off somehow, and it looks like roughly. Doesn't look like it's torn or cut with not a sharp knife or something. It looks brutal.

And she is naked with the exception of a pair of socks that she's wearing. So this is horrific for obviously anybody to discover. Absolutely. It's just it's one of every person involved in this case judges lawyers everybody say this is the worst i've ever in this area is the worst i've ever seen somebody be horrified and then be you know just humiliated and brutalized not even yeah the in you the just dehumanization here is horrible it's just a bad deal. The medical examiner determines the cause of death to be multiple things. Yeah.

They literally can't decide which one. Multiple blunt force injuries to the head, torso and back as well, ligature strangulation, and also drowning. God damn it. She's not found in a body of water, mind you. This is found in a shallow grave so you put her in water to take her out to put her in this how many different ways um and also they were trying to figure out who she was because she was beaten so badly and then finally pretty close nearby a couple miles away they found a burned out car and close nearby a couple miles away they found a burned out car and connected that pretty easy to who this is and they said that's probably who we're looking for is that she's also they went

have you seen her lately no well that's probably who we're looking for here i won't find out who she is nearby as well police find uh later on as we'll talk about they find a two by four which appears to be one of the murder weapons with many nails sticking out no man that's that's what it was that's the main and that wasn't enough though we also needed to strangle and drown as well um also she's been horribly sexually assaulted as well obviously um yeah this this is in a remote area in the woods out in a place where you definitely have to know where you're going to get there type of deal. You know what I'm saying? How horrible of a way to hurt somebody that like the sexual assault is just an aggravator here. You know what I mean?

Well, that's fucking horrible. Well, that's how horrible she was brutalized. It's it's it's you don't you don't want to try a little event in the first place. Oh, the worst, as you know, you don't want to triage things when it comes to that. But I mean, this is horrific. This is just yeah, this is just as much as you could try to hurt a human being and destroy a human being is what they did here. being and destroy a human being is what they did here um now shortly after this body is discovered there are some rumors flying around the old uh town of dingus yeah and mingo county in general the dingus is slinging well the west virginia state police see the state police get involved

local police here they don't even want them involved because for good reason they will fuck this up or they know and there's too much who knows yeah the state police probably when they hear about a murder they know we take over the murders and these yeah you know wallace shitholes if we actually want to get them solved otherwise it'll be somebody's cousin and brother who swept this under the rug well they receive information from several several different people so lots of information that all comes back to the same person and that person jimmy yeah alfred dingus jr of course i swear on my this is what i mean i swear to god yeah this man's name is alfred dingus jr just like the town unbelievable he is a descendant of the dinguses.

He is. He's the junior dingus. What was the name of the neighbors in the Christmas story? Were they the dinguses? Oh, man. The one with Ralphie? Yeah, with the dogs that eat the fucking turkey. The only character I know in that movie is Ralphie. Bumpuses?

They were the bumpuses, I think, not the dinguses. Okay. But same type of people samuel l jackson uh made a man quote unquote suck my big black dingus in hateful eight yeah there you go so alfred dingus jr they talked to alfred dingus jr and the state troopers take a statement from him yeah and they say well we have a lot of rumors around dingus town a lot of confusion around dingus right the rumors around abound around dingus town that um that uh you've been you have some saying this you know something about this you were around this person when when you know she was murdered and he went yeah oh boy yeah i know i was there oh i know

lots of stuff yeah i mean yeah i mean i was involved and um you know oh yeah i was involved well what were you involved in i mean well we had to kidnap her first oh boy of course there's uh you know the raping. And then, of course, the killing. So, I mean, I was involved in all of it, obviously. She can't be involved in one and not the other. That would be, you know. Now you know.

Now you get back to work. Yeah. You don't salt the meat and then put it on the fire and then don't take it off. They're all together. You know what I mean? Guys, that's kind of how he said it. Just matter-of-factly. I did it. I was there uh gotta go well the problem is and why they got him to admit it is because they found a cigarette

butt that had his dna oh well we found a cigarette both your dna like you know right around or so what do you think here and he went yeah i did it why not it's 2002 sir we got technology and shit wasn't alone though no there's other people with me okay matter of fact my friend aaron nelson was with me so you might want to talk to him oh by the way he got blood from her all over his shirt so there's that all right you can get on him and talk to aaron nelson get in the car now uh 14 months after that. What? Okay. 14 months go by. Yeah.

So this is like the next month we get Dingus. And then 14 months later, so we're about 15 months out from the murder, there's more information that the police receive. Not from Alfred Dingus. Is Dingus arrested? Dingus is in jail. Yeah. He's awaiting. They don't get tried until

about two three years later it's like 2004 2005 the fuck is happening there's a lot going on jimmy it's just a lot they're very busy gotta put pen to paper and write all this shit down i need a new ribbon for my tap writer we ran out of white out i ordered more from civilization we'll wait till it comes when it gets here we'll fix all this paperwork and do it right it's this is what i mean when i say we make fun of things like the town because if this town is crazy doing this right asinine if this happened in new york city there would be people rioting in the streets he said he did it can we get this going can we at least try can we try welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So, and the other guy too, Aaron Nelson, he's arrested. So 14 months later, police received more information that they weren't the only two there. Not from Dingus or Aaron Nelson, just from the other grapevine. Just because everybody knows. Because everyone knows about it because it's a small town. And oh, by the way,

all these people are related. Wow. As we'll talk about. There's three brothers and two cousins involved in this whole thing. Nelson's a Dingus. Nelson, no, no. Nelson's not a Dingus.

Okay. But this next guy, Zandel Bryant, is a Dingus. Zandel Bryant's a Dingus. Why is it so fun a dingus it is the most fun it really is i'm like there's no way that this town's name is pronounced dingus oh well i guess it is and then i see the main perpetrator's name is alfred dingus jr and i was like well we're doing this case no matter what and everybody that's not dingus still a dingus still a dingus that's the way it is so

zendel bryant yeah they talked to him and he says yeah i did i was involved absolutely right people just admitting freely to shit i mean if you got the information if you're gonna help listen i mean somebody asks you a question you tell them why not um we're honest around here so they said we've heard all this and zendel said well that's because you're right yeah and then he gives a statement he implicates himself and he goes oh by the way okay um yeah there was alfred dengus and aaron nelson and uh i had two people with me too uh there was david nelson as well aaron's brother, and then Aaron's other brother, Clinty. Why? Clinty.

It's never been a name. And his name in court documents is Clinty. They really named him that. Clinty. If you do a background search and I find old shit that he did, it's listed as Clinty as his legal name. That's far too close. named their kid clinty with a y what the f no that's not a y name too close to the british version well yeah you can't no you can't you got to really go hard on the n you can't e a clint you can't. You got to really go hard on the end. You can't E a Clint. You can't. There's no E-ing a Clint. You can't do that.

And then when you do, you have to go way hard on the end. Otherwise, you're calling the man the female genitals. Yeah. What's that in there, Clint and Nelson? Sounds like a country singer somehow. I don't know why, but it does. Sounds like he goes real hard on the steel guitar. Yeah, it really does.

It's difficult there. So they go back to alfred dingus yeah and they're like hey dingus i thought you said it was you and aaron nelson yeah now we got word not only we got zandel bryant your dipshit cousin another dingus right but we got two more dipshit nelson's too we got a david and then a clinty is that's a name what about clinty nelson playing the soundtrack to your murder affair what happened out there i wonder if he's playing the freedom festival this year so um they go what's what gives their dingus and he went oh yeah they were there too y'all didn't ask y'all you said who was with you and i said well

we that's who technically came they came separate and that's exactly what it was they carpooled they yeah those three came separate so you said who was with me they were with me you didn't say who was that's what they're you didn't say who all was there you said who came with me there you said who was there you say who all was there that's the thing well i know everybody you left out that all you left out the all it's like when you work in the kitchen you don't say how many states you gotta say all day you know and then they know how many you gotta know how many total is what i'm looking for not so so you gotta be real damn specific with your questions or you get what you ask for i'll tell you what mister why don't you sit and think about it for a little

while and then come back to me when you understand what the hell you're looking for because i speak in hillbilly riddles and you speak in some other shit that's right you speak in lowland some kind of jibber jabber i'm doing hillbilly riddles. This is, it's a tradition. Yeah. So Dingus and, uh, Bryant here, they, everybody says, yes,

they all raped this woman and participated in killing her and then did more as we'll talk about. And the woman's name is Wanda Lesher, uh, Wanda L. Lesher. She's 44 years old. Um, she has children.

Of course she does.'s you know 40s yeah she's hanging out you know it's just uh we'll talk about how it happened but before we talk about exactly what happened that night we have to talk about a quick brief history of this dingus family i mean extremely brief because it's like one thing but it's from october of 1889 this was a national story that i found in nationwide newspapers like it's like an ap article back then before there was an ap in the 1800s in the 1800s 1889 okay and it says quote crimes red revelry another bloody feud between southern families killing each other off another stage oh there's this talk about stage robbery.

But this is from West Virginia. Quote, a bloody feud is raging in Lincoln County between the Broomfield and Hall families. Floyd Dingus, a son of the justice of the peace and a prominent man because his father. That's how far they fall. And they were prominent people. Justice of the peace. Discoverer of the town. Name it after him to now they've gone to hillbilly hillbilly riddle trash yeah hillbilly riddle trash that rapes and murders uh a woman as a team as a team they require several there

was a team rape it was disgusting absolutely disgusting so So Floyd Dingus here, a prominent man, married one of the Hall girls from the Hall family, obviously. He quarreled with his wife and they separated at some point. And the next day, Dingus and his wife's brother met. That's the quote here. Dingus was shot dead. They did not meet. uh had a they met in public they're yeah we'll sort this out together it gets more west virginia alfred broomfield married dingus's sister he swore to be he swore to be avenged on hall and fatally wounded one of the hall brothers i I mean, it's like a Hatfield-McCoy situation.

You killed my dingus. I'm going to get you. You shot off my dingus. Ten days ago, Broomfield and his wife were waylaid, and Mrs. Broomfield was shot dead. Wow. Broomfield was terribly wounded. Two days later, Purvis Broomfield was shot. On Saturday, George Dingus, a brother of brother of broomfield's wife was shot through the

leg in a fight with one of the opposing party all because a couple needed a divorce what the fuck is that this is dingus this is how the dinguses settle things what you don't like my sister well i'll kill your whole goddamn family i'm obviously jesus christ amicable separation my ass i'll kill everybody you gotta wipe out every dingus i see i see a dingus it's dead it's dead it's going full tombstone so this is the history of this is the type of people we're dealing with and this was when they were prominent people yeah now they're the whites when they were classy yeah when they were prominent people. Yeah. Now they're the whites. This is when they were classy. Yeah. And they were considered respectable.

Yeah, when they had manners and shit. So let's catch up with Alfred Dingus. Alfred Dingus Jr. at 28, descendant of the Dingusai clan here. We'll catch up with him on August 31st, 2002. He's 28 years old at this moment now he's got a little bit of his family history here i found a article from 1974 where his father um his father is alfred dingus obviously uh senior big dingus big dingus yeah it's big daddy dingus is what they call him big dingus and little dingus big day big daddy dingus and little dang Daddy Dingus is what they call him. Big Dingus and Little Dingus. Big Daddy Dingus and Little Dangling Dingus is what they call him.

Now, Sammy Dingus is Alfred Jr.'s little brother. So he's his little Dingus brother. Sammy Dingus Jr. Come here, you little Dingus. Sammy Dingus Jr. That's my favorite thing ever. I wish his father's name was Sammy. If his name was sammy dingus jr

you'd almost have to pluck his eye out and put a glass one in just because it's so perfect like he's sammy dingus oh he would have shot it out jay it's too good we'll put you out front of a truck stop with a sign that says Sammy Diggins. Sammy's going to throw a buck in your fucking hat. I'm just telling you that right now. Oh, well, just a white trash West Virginia kid with one eye. Shuffling around.

Roly-eyed little shit. Shuffling around at the Flying J. Prove your dingus. Prove your dingus background. Ah, and overalls with one strap. I want it so bad. Just dancing. Just dancing.

On a jug. while his dad's oh my god and he spits his tobacco on the on the last note and if people like it they throw coal at him and that's a compliment and that's how they get through the winter. Now, I'm glad we got all that laughing over and out of the way, because Sammy Dingus is the infant son of Alfred Dingus Sr., and he dies in 1974. Trying to remove his eyes. Yeah, that's the problem. Poor little bastard. Well, there must have been a problem, because he died, And then the next day, his twin sister, Tammy Dingus died as well.

So they had twins. They both died. I don't know if they were premature or if there was medical problem, who knows what happened. Either way, they didn't make it. That's depressing. Yes.

But Alfred or Alfred Jr. Though he's still there. He's also got a sister, Debra Lynn. Yeah. Debra Lynn Dingus. Debbie Dingus is her name. Come on, man. This place is great. Deborah Lynn Dingus. Debbie Dingus is her name. Come on, man.

This place is great. I literally am like, I'm going to try to be, you know what I mean? We're going to try. Yeah. We do. We try to be nice to these places when they're, but this is ridiculous. They named their kid Debbie Dingus. If you name your kid Debbie Dingus, I can't help you.

It's not our house anymore. I can't help you at that point. If you're standing on stage doing stand-up't help you at that point if you're standing on stage doing stand-up either one of us if we're standing there and you go what's your name to someone in the crowd they whatever and they say both are laughing i'm gonna go get the fuck out of here your name isn't debbie and the whole crowd's gonna laugh everybody's gonna lose their mind your parents did what to you holy shit oh my god and poor little sammy uh robbed us of uh of a sammy dingus jr yeah we don't get a sammy as an infant that would have been damn it damn it so it could have been

incredible but it'll never happen it might happen someday you don't know someone uh might be named after him also living in the house are uh the mother's parents mr and mrs sherman workman and mr and mrs william dingus billy dingus of dingus so in the house both sets of grandparents fuck kids dead kids there's all things dingus is everywhere this is a busy dingus house it's it's a it's full of dingus this is the problem it's just full of dingus and uh so in 1994 i found old alfred dingus jr got in some trouble and uh the headline of this ap article is quote two suspects take joyride and cruiser okay and that's they were suspects who then took a joyride. Let's find out how.

That's a fascinating way to say two men steal police vehicle. Two men who were in custody stole a police vehicle. That's not a joyride. That's not a joyride. That is an escape. That's a felony. Quote, two suspects, two suspected thieves, handcuffed in the back of a state police cruiser, slipped their handcuffed arms under their legs and made off with the vehicle.

Just drove away with it. I don't know. Don't be a dingus and make sure that they're secured back there. What are you doing? Lock up your dingus. Lock up your dingus, man. This is Alfred Dingus Jr., 23, and Carlos Tomblin, 22, both of Dingus, were rearrested early Wednesday in Logan County after two troopers commandeered a passing pickup truck and chased them down. My God, you're just asking for abuse, Dingustown.

You're just asking for it. Have you ever, okay, in a movie you see someone try to commandeer a vehicle. Have you ever once heard of that in the real world? No. They had to flash, I need your pickup. Y'all get in the back, I'm driving. I always wanted to say this. Official police business.

Wow. And chase them down. Unbelievable. In a commandeered pickup truck. Even in the movies, they don't catch them. You know what I mean? No. When they take somebody's car, they always crash the person's car.

Oh, it doesn't work. And the guy gets away. And the guy's like, always crash the person's car doesn't work and the guy gets away the guy's like oh my wife's gonna kill me you know that's the shit line so dingus and tomlin were first arrested after the after they were caught by a creek's heart hearts creek resident who believed the men were trying to steal a stereo from his car wow fucking dingus so let's talk about wanda lesher uh wanda lesher, I think I said she was 44. I apologize. She was 41. Okay.

Now, Wanda Lesher, on August 31st, the night that the last time anybody saw her, she went out to a local bar to drink. She was hanging out and partying out. That's what you do. That's what you do. So there she met a couple of people now there is a rumor and we don't know if it's true that aaron nelson is her ex-boyfriend but aaron nelson denies it but dingus says it's a fact okay so we got two people that are together and one say i say if one guy says that's your ex-girlfriend it's probably your ex-girlfriend just because you want to deny it that doesn't

mean that's not true so just because you're not i don't know whatever for whatever reason you're not uh as happy about the decision or whatever so also wanda lesher's at the bar so is aaron nelson that night they're hanging out um everybody's hanging out it is aaron nelson wanda lesher alfred dingus jr and a guy named Doug Sparks. They're all hanging out at the bar. Now, Sparks said they were drinking and talking. Everybody was doing their thing. I'm sure snorting crushed up pills off the back of a fucking public restroom or whatever they're doing. I'm sure it was nothing you would do at the Four Seasons.

Shirtless slot machine playing. Whatever they did in that bar in the wonderful whites of West Virginia is what's happening in this bar. Definitely shirtless people that are allowed to gamble, which is crazy. Take your shirt off in a Vegas casino. They will fucking...

They'll take you out in the desert and bury you. If you're walking from the pool back to your room and you go to put money in a slot machine, a pit boss will go,

uh-uh, shirt, sir. Go upstairs. Go get it. They'll hit you with a casino shock stick like the movie-uh. Shirt, sir. Go upstairs. Go get it. With a casino shock stick like the movie. Please wrap a towel around you. Call up Mr. Birthday Party or whatever it was. Put your nipples away.

Put your nipples away, sir. At least cover your nipples. Can you do that for us? Belly shirt. I don't care. Put the nipples away. Sir, I mean, I'm alright with seeing your stomach. That's fine. I see a lot of stomachs, but not nipples. I refuse to see nipples on the floor. No nipples on the floor.

That's the rule. We got a no nipples policy. No nipples on the floor policy. So, Sparks says they're all hanging out. They're talking. They're drinking. They're doing all their normal bar shit. And he says that Wanda Lesher left the bar with Alfred Dingus Jr. and Aaron Nelson.

Now, when she left, because she has a car and they don't. So presumably she left. She was going to give them a ride home. She's the ride. She's the ride at this moment in time. And that's what Doug Sparks says was is they all got in her car and drove away, which that's fine. Why not? People can give rides home.

It's a nice thing to do. Why not? People can give rides home. It's a nice thing to do. Why not? So during the drive, they decided that they were going to go somewhere else and continue drinking, you know, not at bar prices. We can get some Boone's Farm and go in the woods, and it's a lot cheaper. So they decided to do that. So Dingus and Aaron Nelson tell her, we know a spot. Go up this mountain road to the Canterbury Cemetery. Oh, well, I mean, one of those words sounds nice.

Yeah, not mountain road or cemetery, but Canterbury. That sounds lovely. Yeah, that sounds good. It sounds, you know, it's an old word. Sounds green and like England. And it sounds like Cadbury, which makes me want eggs and chocolate. Sounds like a lovely golf course. It's wonderful.

Canterbury. Yeah, I like that. It's a good one. So they told her to go up there. There's like an area in the cemetery that's, you know, like the family areas that have a pond and benches and shit where you can hang out where there's no like, you're not walking on graves. That was one of those areas where nobody's buried. The grieving area. Yeah.

The family hang area yeah the family grief center family grief center so she said sure why not let's go get taiwan on and go out there let's go grieving so they go out there to grieve um apparently what ended up happening is once they got there i don't know if there's text messages exchanged this This is what I mean. This sounds like it's what, 1965 so far, this whole story. Uh, it's actually 2002. So just remember that there are like,

you know, LG phones in people's pockets. Absolutely. Yeah. Shit like that. So, um, he apparently,

I don't know if there's a text or how the exchange happens, but three more people pull up when they get there. Okay. And it is David Jacob Nelson, who's 33. He is with his brother, Clinty. Yeah. Go hard on that end.

Clinty and Zandel Bryant, who is Dingus's cousin. It's a Dingus. Who hangs out with the Nelsons. I'm sure they're all related. I'm sure the Nelsons and the Dinguses are probably related. There's some Dingus in their gene pool. Yeah. Someone's dipped a Dingus where it didn't belong, and you're going to get a dingus.

That's what happens. The dingus genes are strong. Yeah. They're recessive, but they're strong. They're strong. Absolutely. So, Clinty is, I believe, 31, and Zandel Brian is 41. Okay.

So, there's an age range here going like crazy. Yeah. Because Aaron's younger. Alfred's 28. Dingus. You know what they are, know what they are they're people yeah that's what we are we're not the same age we're just people we're just paper hey you're a people let's hang out let's all hang out why not so they do they go out to the rest area of a cemetery and they hang out and um after a minute, it starts to become very clear that this has become not what Wanda had anticipated. She thought she was going to hang out with these two guys who she's been hanging out with at the bar. And she trusted and thought it would be no problem.

She'd give everybody a ride home afterwards. Once there's five guys involved, then it becomes something different. And I feel like this was planned because otherwise why would they show up right you know what i mean so this was this to me is like a calculated triangulated disgusting thing of like we'll find somebody at the bar and bring them here and then i don't know if it was ahead of time or on the way there but sometime they didn't all get through. Five people, or six at this point, because there's five guys, six people didn't just go to all hang out

and then at some point it just went wrong. Something was planned at some point. And if the end game is to disappear somebody, I mean, you're going to a place of death. You know what I mean? The cemetery's not typically the party spot. No, for young people, for teenagers. somebody i mean you're going some you're going to a place of death you know what i mean the cemetery is not typically the party spot no for young people for teenagers it is yeah because not for 40 year olds because there's no cops there you can get away from people for 40 year

olds you should have a place of your own to drink but it's legal you can do it yeah go ahead but here at the cemetery up a lone mountain road in the town of dingus all bets are off different goddamn story sure so um anyway i'm not going to go into detail here but they they all rape her horribly i mean it's uh it's disgusting it's horrible i mean uh an absolute they're fucking animals these guys they don't give a shit about any kind of human anything they. They're horrible people. My God. All five of them. Then, according to Dingus, I believe it was Aaron Nelson, who went and got a two-by-four off a bench seat. It was just laying there?

Yeah. Oh, my. There was a bunch of nails in it. So, apparently, they took turns beating her. Oh, boy. With a bunch of nails in it. So apparently they took turns beating her. Oh, boy. They got tired. She was hit on her torso at least 19 times with a two-by-four, causing tons of bruising. Sure. Broken ribs.

And we don't know if this is before or after their sexual assaults. We have no idea. Or during. We have no clue what's happening here. It's just horrible. Bruises everywhere. Could be anything. We have no clue what's happening here. It's just horrible. Bruises everywhere. Three broken ribs. Then they hit her at least nine more times in the head with this two by four, fracturing

every bone in her skull. Wow. Everything. They turned her, she doesn't, her skull is mush. It's nothing. Nothing. Not protecting the brain. Keep all this in mind. This doesn't kill her. She's still alive.. Not protecting the brain. Keep all this in mind.

This doesn't kill her. She's still alive through all this, okay? This lady is tough. Oh, shit. Physically very tough here, and I wish for her sake she wasn't because this is horrific. Now she's sustaining. She's aware. It's just torture at this point.

Nine blows to the head, fracturing every bone in her skull. And there's nails in the boat. So there's punctures. It's horrific. The evidence shows that her upper and lower jaws were broken as well. Yeah. So everything. In addition, they hit her with such force with the two by fours, with the two by four

that her brain went to the front of her skull and caused fractures to the bones. That's how that's how the much force is. They pushed her skull was broken. This man from the inside, not from the outside. Wow. From the pressure inside. That's insane.

And she lived through that. So the the force that is required to do that is remarkable. That's a lot. Yeah, these fractures also were so bad they resulted in cuts to her face because from the pressure pushing out, lacerations on her face. And then at that point, she was still alive. So what do we do? So they got shoestrings,led her with with shoestrings and tied her hands up and strangled her with these shoestrings.

Yeah. And she was still alive because they're dinguses because they're dinguses. And yeah this broke the bone in the roof of her mouth strangling her all this type of shit. Then they said okay fuck uh she's still alive she's not moving around but she's breathing dump her in the pond that'll do it let's just dump her in the pond so they dump her in the pond and they stand there and they look back at their handiwork and they go well shit you can see her yeah the pond's not deep enough you can it's august i don't know if it hadn't rained or what but her hands are out the water yeah you can see her like she's gonna

be floating what the fuck are we doing this isn't gonna work and so they drag her out of the pond tied up still they threw her in with her hands tied behind her back still alive the whole thing um when they pull her out they realized she's still not oh my god even though she was put this poor lady in the fucking in a pond to drown she just didn't drown somehow she's still not. Oh, my God. Even though she was put. This poor lady. In the fucking in a pond to drown. She just didn't drown somehow. She's still alive. I don't know how this woman's still alive.

So then they tied her hands behind her back to the shoestring and then pulled on it that way to try to choke her out that way. They then. Jesus, they they took her from this site. Yeah. Okay. And Jesus, they took her from this site. Yeah. Okay. After the pond, they took her and threw her in the back of David Nelson's pickup truck. Unbelievable, man.

And drove to another location. They also drove her car away from there and burned it. They set the car on fire, which is fucking horrific, obviously, that they're're just gonna try to cover all this up and they take her to another spot where they um try to strangle her with the shoestring some more and then they just dig a shallow grave drop her in realize she's still not dead yeah still didn't they still couldn't kill she will be eventually like this but and that's how they left her just left her in a shallow grave covered with sticks and branches and leaves oh they're like she'll die eventually in there and they went home that

is staggering i i i how does how do five guys have have the just there's only disregard for people to do that together yeah and then go about your life the only way this can happen is with one very sick person yeah or five or more very sick people it doesn't three people wouldn't do this probably no four probably wouldn't two are unlikely to do it one crazy ted bundy sick fuck or a group of five guys that for some it's i don't know what that is and we we've seen it in yeah you could deduce a million different ways of how psychopathy of weird group dynamic it's gross when people get together they completely have all of a sudden there's no regard for humanity of anybody else if our group is a group to get so fucking weird you see it all the time it happens all over the

world where you can four isn't a mob five's a mob five's a mob five's the number in my opinion five is out of control five you can't no one person can control the five unless there's like somebody very dominant right there which that's a mob mentality yeah that's the thing this isn't you know and there's nobody here that's going to be that dominant this isn't like fucking john gaudy and his crew i don't think these are five dinguses yeah this is just five dinguses this isn't like any kind of sophisticated fucking group of people here so that just turns into lord of the flies there it is and that's what it is heads on pikes with flies everywhere that's what this is fucking disgusting so um anyway yeah uh she they figured that she probably didn't last through the night she's probably dead by dawn poor thing

that's horrible man Wanda Lesher that is a bad way to go out and to make it even worse Dingus made sure to tell the police that the whole time she was before she was unconscious was begging to go home to her children of course that's all she was begging for and they said oh no

we're gonna be yeah monsters and do that shit. So absolutely one of the most horrific things we've ever talked about there. So once they find Dingus, once they hear about Dingus, like I said, he implicates himself. He implicates Aaron Nelson, tells the police that you can prove Aaron Nelson did it because her blood got on his clothes when he was beating her with a two by four. Yeah. And he also said, like I said, that's his ex-girlfriend. Right. And Aaron said, no, she ain't.

Yeah. And also, if I know that, then I'm also super implicated. I would say, yeah. So what the hell? Everybody's in it. Yeah. Yeah, it was from a picnic table, the two by four. Oh, took a slat from, wow.

It was Aaron Nelson, as what Dingus said, who was the one who retrieved the two-by-four. And they said each of the men took turns repeatedly beating her with the two-by-four, passing it around. That's how you get the nails, because that's what a fucking picnic table is held together with. Exactly. Unreal. And people had put nails, there was extra nails through it, too, from what I understand. Just people being dicks. You know how people are. Instead of extra nails through it, too, from what I understand. Just people being dicks. You know how people are.

Instead of putting gum under it, they put a nail through it. Or, James, I'm sure some termites rotted that thing out. Yes. Got to throw some extra ones in there. Hold that shit together. That's probably true, too. It's probably not the best picnic table ever going here. So they beat her.

Like I said, skull fractures, broken face, jaw, ribs, everything you could imagine. They dumped her in Messenger messenger hollow so messenger holler yeah and also in mingo county and um that's where the pond was where they were like we'll drown her in that pond that didn't work so then they dug the shallow grave oh my god that is fucking horrible so the state, after they found her and, you know, realized that she's been killed so many different ways. That's when they were they had a feeling that it was more than one person right away. Yeah, because that's just that you can't sustain that from one person. That's exhausted. And also there's different DNA involved around.

So they're like, there is. That'll do it. Definitely something happening here um they said she most likely died in the early morning hours of september 1st 2002 man um and her car also uh at messenger hollow they found the two by four because they brought it with them for some reason wow and some of her jewelry was found back at the cemetery linking the two places and her and her car uh which was destroyed by fire was found in a separate location because they took that somewhere and set it on fire. Now, Aaron Nelson Dingus says, well, yeah, I did it.

But Aaron Nelson was with me. He's the second person to get implicated. He immediately stated, quote, I didn't do anything to that girl. So not me. I didn't do anything to that girl so not me i didn't do anything to that girl so uh uh there was blood on his clothing when they arrested him on september 2nd which was the day you know two days later still wearing the same clothes i don't know if it's the same clothes or just how many articles of clothing does this man have that has fresh blood on the front of them i don't know all my

clothes got blood on them so flavor flave likes to wear a clock see i just wear blood i just every morning i cut myself and just spray it on me uh turns out the blood on his shirt is his own wow it's his own blood how leaky is this son of a apparently very leaky so like i said i don't know if this is uh a shirt, the same shirt. All of his shirts have blood on them. I'm not positive. What's good? Did he hook himself on a nail when he was?

Could be a nosebleed. I mean, you know, snorting pills will chop your nose out. That's a good fucking point. I'm not even kidding there. So there's blood on his clothing. It's his own blood. So he asserts, I have nothing to do with this murder. I have nothing. that's it he said that uh

dingus i was with dingus me and dingus were drinking okay now dingus got a ride yeah from uh what the way he put it quote some girl he had met now this some girl he had met wanda lesher according to dingus is his ex-girlfriend so it's not some girl that aaron doesn't know it's his ex-girlfriend so um he is just distancing himself from everybody i don't know nothing i barely know a dingus i don't even dingus oh like the town yeah i met one of them so he said yeah some girl he had met and that wanda and dingus dropped me off at home and i waved goodbyes they drove on up the road. And that's the last I ever saw of them.

I don't know what happened. I think that Dingus must have done something to her. Right. That dirty Dingus. He's a dirty, dirty Debbie Dingus. So, my God. Anyway, Aaron says that Dingus is just trying to get me in trouble in order to, you know, make himself less guilty. That's my theory as an official non-Dingus.

Incredibly educated man in the law and detective work. Oh, he's an investigator. That's obviously what happened. He's experienced. So now they talk to the Sparks guy that was with them at the bar. And the last the last anybody saw was the three of them get in the car. Right. Dingus, Nelson and Wanda.

So, you know, it's everybody's word against Aaron's that he got dropped off and went home and said, all right, bye. Everybody else given the same story. And he's like, I wasn't there. I don't know what you're talking about. I was home sleeping. A couple people have the home sleeping defense here, as we'll talk about. Now, they said, well, then, but the way the police said it, they go, well, if he's just trying to throw people in there, why didn't he try to get the Sparks guy in trouble, too? Say he was there, too.

Like, I mean, yeah, we could have put anybody in there. He put you in there. Why you? Chose you. Yeah, he chose you. I don't anybody in there. He put you in there. Why you? Yeah, he chose you. I don't know. Maybe. Are you the are you the dingus? Who's the dingus?

Let's play a new game. Don't be a dingus. It's called Red Rover. He's not just picking random people. This is you. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment.

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would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. Did this. So, like I said, 14 months later, Zendel Bryant is implicated,

and he comes in and goes, uh-huh, yep, I did it. Oh, me, David, and Clinty all pulled up in David's pickup truck. And I looked up their records. Clinty has arrests for, like, writing bad checks a few years back and that sort of shit. Like it's, you know. The normal scummy shit behavior. It's a bunch of whites of West Virginia type charges. And also all the stuff that leads up to, you know, rape and murder.

Yeah, just stuff that just basically gives you general. As you continually get away with things and get caught for things, you just escalate a smidge. And man, so on November 14th, 2003, so this is a year and change later, that's when David Nelson comes in for an interview. Now, David's the one who allegedly drove the pickup truck and whose truck they transported her in. And to me, it seems like he's one of the main people is from what I can gather here. Main people a year later.

Doing this, yeah. The lack of urgency is staggering. Oh, absolutely. I don't know if it's because it's a state police matter and they have other shit going on, or I don't understand what's going on here. This guy is a danger to society a year later. Anyone involved in this, you went off the streets- Yesterday.

Yesterday. This is crazy. ASAP. Sooner than later. Can we- How the fuck are we a year later in the main one of the main guys is being talked to i don't talk to not even arrested yeah no no he's being interviewed he said at the time that he's like i don't know what you're talking about he

goes where were you first of all where were you 14 months ago on this night is a hard question to ask somebody if they didn't if you didn't murder someone right you'd go fuck if i know if it wasn't a memorable night yeah i don't know did somebody die i heard like a did the fucking sporting event i was gonna say did my favorite team win the super bowl like i don't know i have no idea no clue what happened that day i couldn't tell you so that's like in the in the beginning of cereal yeah that's the first question in the whole podcast that makes it interesting as they go well you know if you were asked what you did, do you remember even last week? What'd you do on Wednesday? I don't fucking know.

Well, Wednesday we recorded, but what'd you do on Thursday? That's all I know, though. I don't know what I did that night. That's what I mean. That's all people know is what their normal schedules are. People don't know what the fuck they did unless it was an event. Ask me what I ate. Shit.

That's crazy he said well uh at that time i was at work that night at classic conveyors in chapmanville west virginia okay all right he said you know i was there um so they did some investigation and investigating and they said oh you weren't at work actually we looked into it they keep records unlike you you know they probably work, actually. We looked into it. They keep records, unlike you. You know, they probably have a time card or something. So try again. Yeah, they said, you weren't at work there. And he said, hmm, well, you know, I'm uncertain, I guess. That was a year ago. Fucked if I know, basically.

I don't know where I was. How's that? Don't know. And so they said, well, can you try to be a little more specific? And he said, quote, I should have been at work. No, I should have been. Now that's a classic. If someone says should have been doing this, that means they were lying and they weren't

doing that. And they're just trying to say should have is just one of those things. It's a classic, uh, bullshit thing that people say, sure. I should have been here. I should have been doing that, but you weren't. Otherwise you'd say I was there and we know that you weren't. And if you should have been there and you weren have been doing that. But you weren't. Otherwise, you'd say I was there. And we know that you weren't. And if you should have been there and you weren't, whatever happened is probably memorable. So now we got to talk.

Yes. No matter what happens, this is a tip for you. If someone you know gets killed and you didn't kill them, of course, and they interview you and they go, well, where were you that day? Don't say I should have been here. They think you did it immediately. That's an investigator's immediate red flag. Right. Should have been at work.

Oh, okay, let's dig into you. Then where were you? So he later said in a statement that I was at work. And like I said, they found out that he wasn't at work. So they're going to charge him since he has no alibi. And other people have said he murdered a woman and raped her. So they're going to do that. By the time they charge him, he said, are you kidding me?

You're right. I wasn't at work. I was at home with my wife and daughters, like a good husband and father. Calling sick to work sometimes to be a good dad. I'm being a good dad. That's what happens. Sometimes they just need my support and my love and my protection. I'm going to blow off work, paying the bills here to uh spend money

with y'all gonna snuggle up to them it's gonna snuggle up to them yeah watch a disney order a pizza oh it's gonna be good oh we're bound get some of them netflix dvds that they're sending out now 2002 is that even that's too early for netflix dvds yeah i think it's too yeah we're gonna have to a couple years from now chance the late fees at Blockbuster. Oh, dang. Oh, shit. Is there a Hollywood video? I hate that Blockbuster. I want me a Hollywood video. I like them better.

It's a dollar cheaper. Oh, it's a dollar cheaper. You know that bullshit, bring it back tomorrow. Right. Tomorrow? Who's got time to do that? I like bring it back when you got time. Suppose I pass out in a puddle of my own piss tonight.

Then what? Hollywood Video didn't go out of business. That's a fact. I don't know if you know that. They didn't go out of business because of Blockbuster. They went out of business because people didn't bring the – they didn't have anything more to rent. It's all gone. Because they just – that was their lax return policy.

They're just like, when you're done with it, I'm still not done with it. Blockbuster tried that, too. They tried to have a no late fee. That was like their last gasp and just nobody brought anything back. They just had nothing. Well, I guess this is mine now for $2.99. People have it for a month. They'd have a video until they wanted to rent another video.

That was it. And then they'd bring it back so they could rent something else. Because you won't let me take another one. Yeah, but they didn't fucking bring it like, oh, I got to have that back today. Right. People used to freak out. I got, oh, shit, goddammit. And they'd get in the car to drive shit back so they don't pay late fees.

I do remember that commercial. No more late fees. And they're like, there's no more late fees. And the mob's like, oh, great. God damn it. And they get in the car to drive shit back. So they pay late fees. I do remember that commercial. No more late fees. And they're like, there's no more late fees. And the mob's like, oh, great. All right. See ya. That's it. And they realize, oh, well, then we don't have to bring shit back ever.

They picked up Titanic and went home. Bye. I'm going to keep this now. This is mine now. That's mine now. I'm keeping it. So he said later on that he'd been at work. And then he said he's with his wife and daughters, all this type of shit.

So he said he was he was seen. Now, they said Dingus then adds him to the story, too, after it's added. So Dingus had a story. It's me and Aaron Nelson. Then three more people get put into the story. He's like, yeah, sure. Them, too. Everybody's fine.

Either way, don't be a dingus. Yeah. That should be a commercial playing in West Virginia constantly. Don't be a dingus. In Dingus County. Yep. In Dingustown. Especially in Dingustown, USA.

Don't be a dingus. So here's what ends up happening. Scumbag number one. Yeah. Let's just call them that. Zendel Bryant. Yeah. I'm only doing this by the chronology of when they were charged and tried and all that sort of thing.

He's the first one to be tried. Wow. Somehow. He's the first of the five of them. He ends up being convicted here of charges of murder. First degree, it's murder. First degree, sexual assault, kidnapping, and conspiracy. Good Lord.

It's a lot. Those are heavy. Those are heavy goddamn charges. So jury only took two hours before convicting him of second-degree murder, first-degree sexual assault, and kidnapping, and the rest of it. And two hours usually takes an hour to fill out the paperwork. In West Virginia, two hours is paperwork. And they needed someone to help, probably, in rural West Virginia. What's the date, y'all?

Yeah, we had to get someone in from out of town to read it to us. Sorry, dinguses, you deserve this. This is for real. Yes, if you're from Dingus, you are either nodding your head or you're probably not our audience. One of the two. Your police department left a very dangerous man on the streets for a year, and they knew it. That's crazy. Let's think, if anyone that likes this show lives in Dingus and is listening they're just nodding their head going i fucking thank you i

want out of here jesus this place blows and i gotta change my last name shit god damn it so he's convicted of all this brian and uh he is sentenced to uh well you, may fuck off 40 years for the second degree murder, 15 to 35 years on first degree sexual assault, 15 years to life on kidnapping, all to be served consecutively. Oh, ouchy. So that's that's banging. Yeah, obviously concurrently means basically the 40 year charge umbrella. This is 40 plus 15 to 35 plus 15 to life. That is heavy. Adam.

He's never getting out. Take the 69 and you add that shit, as Capadonna once said. And that's it right there. Frodo. Yeah. Anyway, so scumbag number two here, Aaron Nelson. That's the one who was with Dingus and his girlfriend ex-girlfriend yes and that's the day i i feel like i believe that too so the he's the second one to go on here

and they say he was the one that retrieved the lumber and everything else here he's charged with first degree murder uh first degree sexual assault and kidnapping and um he is found guilty obviously because there's people there you know people testifying against him left and right all the other co-defendants are saying yeah he was the one who grabbed the board it doesn't look good here um so this is what if you're what if you're the nelson's parents by the way three of your sons have been accused of this imagine what shame you would have all three of your kids together did the just a fucking horrible thing i have to disown all three of you yeah fuck yeah that's a lot what if i get old this is bad

you people are losers i've worked so hard carrying this name and now i've got to change it now i got to change it by the way this conviction comes the day after Zendel Bryant's convicted. Oh, that's right. So they're banging him out pretty quick here. This one, the jury, about two more hours of deliberation. That's just paperwork time is all that is. They convict him. Now, they have a choice here.

He's got different charges because he's got first-degree murder. Right, right, right. So for him him they can either give a recommendation the only if you're convicted of murder in west virginia the only sentences are life uh or death no no life you're getting life in prison either way death there's no death penalty at this point so you're getting life either way but you are either getting with mercy or without mercy the jury recommends mercy or no mercy mercy means chance of parole the judge can set like 30 years and you're up for parole okay no mercy means life

without no mercy fuck yourself uh this jury decides you sir yeah may fuck off they gave him as much mercy as he gave wanda and said no no mercy. Wow. Life without the possibility of parole. That's right. So he fucking deserves that. By the way, on his background check that I did under his jobs, I'm going to put this. That's a screenshot. Yeah. Under his jobs.

What does that say? Five fifty one. SSI. Under jobs. Under jobs. Not works at Social Security office. No, no, no. He never worked for the state.

How old is this man? Oh, Jesus. Drawing Social Security. Yeah, he's in his 30s. Wow. I mean, drawing SSI. I thought it said 551. 551, yeah.

What the hell is that? What is that? It's the Levi store. No, it's SSI. That's his job. It's listed as his work. What a piece of shit. So scumbag number three.

Yeah. Alfred Dingus June. Oh, little Dingus. Now, little Dingus, he pleads guilty. Yeah. Because that was the whole thing. He'll plead guilty and get a lesser deal to testify against everybody else. What is the lesser deal?

So he pleads guilty to charges of first-degree murder and first-degree sexual assault. Yikes. So he's not getting a second degree like Zandel because Dingus was one of the ones who brought her there. He brought her there with Aaron. And he would have had to have done the planning. The other people wouldn't have known to come there if it wasn't for one of these two dipshits. So Dingus waved his right through a trial and all sorts of shit like that and uh they sentence him to you sir yeah may fuck

off life in prison with mercy okay which gives him the possibility of parole and then they also give him 15 to 35 years on a sexual assault charge but those run concurrently because he made the deal so this man is a horribly dangerous individual he's a dangerous and he's young yeah he's young his he's a danger dingus this is not good and it's yeah he could be back out oh yeah he's 28 35 yeah so young he'll probably get out in 30 oh my god it's out in 30 he'll be 63 which is mad mad rapable plenty virile and yeah in prime raping years that is horrible um so yeah possibility of parole in 30 years for him that's his first parole that is not happening i mean that would be with time served it would be from two so 2032 wow so 11 more years we could have

a dingus out wandering i don't think we want that now clinty nelson uh-huh clinty nelson um here we go uh he is uh also charged with everything like that uh the the prosecutor said at the close of this quote she was she was a defenseless, helpless person. Convict him. Jury needs, I'm going to give you a guess how long, Jimmy. Oh, 17 seconds. Two hours, again. Close.

Paperwork's up. That seems like a formality. Seems like the judge said, I want to see your faces for two hours. You have to be in there for two hours. I understand. Two fucking hours. You hear me? You can't just check boxes and hand it right back to me. That ain't going to i got a shit all right i got a shit give me two hours it's a it's

a thai burgu last night i'm gonna be a minute i'm gonna be a minute uh he is found guilty on all six counts which is murder kidnapping first degree sexual assaults three, three counts of conspiracy as well. The jury sentences him to, you recalcitrant shitbag, may fuck off. Life in prison with zero mercy. So he can get fucked there and enjoy that. So yeah, life, no parole. David Nelson's trial comes up. Now, right before his trial starts at the end of 2004, he is arrested and charged with escaping from the jail. That doesn't look good.

That looks bad, generally. That's not going to help you. Yeah, and I'm sure they had, like, you know, his family came with, like, five horses and they tied ropes to the bars and pulled the wall down or something. You know, I'm sure that's something ridiculous something oh you know from the 1800s yeah 2002 this happened in how are you still letting people escape a goddamn jail in 2002 or on or up front murder charges right him that's the key on him if you let somebody escape at least let it be somebody that's got seven duis right don't let it be this guy this fucking guy this is terrible keep him at the end of the hall you know what i mean just not near the exit so holy shit so yeah he's charged with jail escape now um they alfred dingus jr and zendel bryant are called by the state to testify against him and they do they testify that he and everybody else sexually assaulted her that david participated

in killing her they also said that uh her body was placed in his pickup truck that he had driven to the scene and then he drove her body somewhere else now there isn't any physical evidence directly connecting him to the crime okay but there really isn't the way they did it and she went in a pond and everything else not a lot of physical evidence a lot of it was washed off by west virginia coal runoff pond water oh dear god i mean so there's nothing there at trial his defense is i have an alibi that's it it's my wife and my family he's fighting it that is my that's. Ironclad. Ironclad. His wife testified. Iron orclad.

Iron orclad. It's coalclad. His wife testified that she went to work at Logan General Hospital. She works as a professional. Yeah, that's crazy. And left him at home with their daughters who are ages 14 and 5. Okay. Home with the kids.

Should have been at work. Go on. Okay. Home with the kids. Should have been at work. Go on. Yeah. The older child, the 14-year-old, who was 14 at the time, now is a couple years older, 17 or something, she testified that, yes, my father was home, stayed home all night. Okay.

Okay, like she was watching him the whole night. He says... I was babysitting him. Yeah. You know. Mom loved me to take care of my dad and my daughter, my sister. I opened the SpaghettiOs and everybody was happy. Yeah.

I said, daughter, I didn't want everybody to know that. I mean, you know, you get it. You get it. You get it. By the way, SpaghettiOs sound delicious. They really do. I love that cheesy, crappy shit. I'm going to take my kids camping in two weeks.

And my daughter asked me what we're eating. My son goes, SpaghettiOs is what we're eating. We're going gonna put those in the fire and that's what we're gonna eat i was like my boy can survive they're good yeah why not my country boy can survive yeah as long as there's a store with as long as there's an apple store on the way to the fucking as long as he can update his yeah i'll play the woods it should be fine no worries xbox is up to date ios 7 or 14 or 27 wherever we're at today wherever we are as long as he's got it all working as long as there's a cell tower and my fucking xbox i'll be fine all i need is my laptop yeah and my personal portable wi-fi hotspot of course

too because you got to have one of my five things they work real good uh my phone xbox fully updated with the wi-fi connection and some spaghetti i can survive anywhere you give me those things anywhere you put me i'm gonna survive i'm a survivor lighter to start this fire because there's no fucking way i'm a bounder i can do it i'll find the wood don't worry it's there oh man so anyway yeah she he was they said she was uh she said he was home now this is they also now bring up character evidence is he a good guy was he a good father they bring other people is he a trustworthy guy at work do you like him is he a nice guy would you you know would you trust him with your daughter your sister your wife or somebody

would you think he would knock him over the head and rape him or is that what do you think of him that just made me shiver yeah gross he testifies himself that he's a family man who would never, ever commit such crimes. He's denying the whole thing. Yeah, he said he's a family man who would, quote, would never rape women. Okay. Never. The problem is once you bring that up and have other people bring up that you're a good guy who would never rape women and your character is great, then the prosecution is free to bring in people who say the contrary. Yes, your character is now up for debate.

Oh, boy. And also, your past deeds are up for debate because if you bring up your good past deeds, well, let's talk about, let's fill in the whole fucking story. I'll take out the trash. Yeah, but. Otherwise, that shit wouldn't be allowed. It would just be only the shit in the case. So the defense has to bring that into it or else the prosecution can't. They can't be the one to bring up character evidence.

It has to be the defense. So you're going to bring up a character defense. You better be goddamn sure there's no one out there that's going to say the opposite. Iron or clad. Iron or clad. They'll fucking find it. Let me tell you something. So, yeah uh what they bring

up a trial this is after he gets up justifies and says i'm a family man love my wife and my daughters i would never ever yeah stick a dingus anywhere it didn't belong he's a great guy great guy well they say okay uh well we have a report of, and they bring in a state worker. Oh, boy. Who was working for the state in 1987, working for Child Protective Services, to be quite clear. It says that the state was called in and authorities were called in because old fucking David Nelson here and his brother, Clinty, had been raping their sister. Oh, my word. You sister fucking dingus.

Actual sister fucker. Actual sister fucking. Sister raping. Sister raping West Virginia hillbillies. Holy hell. This is fucking. oh yeah oh boy state report here oh so they bring that out now and go what you got to say to that chief um apparently uh yeah sister sheila who was at the time 13 years old she came out later with it too that's why they use her name because she was in this whole involved in this uh she was an adult 20 something now um she said that this was 13 years old uh she

was 13 years old when this happened when the two of them were doing this to her that he apparently did this a number of times this was a common occurrence and that course. And that both he and Clinty committed different acts on her and continued for an unspecified amount of time because she can't remember how long it went on for because it was a while. And eventually you try to block it out. Yeah. It also came up that he also abused his other sisters as well sexually. So apparently from a young age, this is his jam. Right. According to everybody around him

so um yeah and so the now they get him up there because he testified so they can recall him and they go all right they said isn't it true that you sexually assaulted sheila quote just like wanda lesher on august 31st 2002 oh boy because now you can say that. Here's the exchange. Quote, in fact, you, Clinty Nelson, you and Clinty, both sexually abused your younger sister. No, sir, he says. Since she was age 13? No, sir. You had sex with her a couple of times in Logan County, didn't you? No, sir, I didn't.

What do you know? She stayed home. You would come in her room and force her to have sexual intercourse with you, and you it at least four times oh dear god no sir i didn't this sounds like she has very specific recall of what the fuck happened here uh quote you abused your other sisters too no sir i didn't you sexually assaulted your sister just like wanda lesher on august 31st 2002 and he said no i didn't oh boy so yeah um painful is that no to say over and over and over? Yeah, because they're just nailing you. The discomfort in that room.

Waving a report in your face and everything else. Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's discomfort in everybody here. Oh, boy. Yeah, Sheila was 34 at this point here. She was not called to testify, though. Okay. Because I guess it was in a report.

You really didn't have to. Yeah, they don't need her words. They got it written. Yeah. Why put her through it? Tell us about how your brothers raped you when you were a child in front of everybody. The worst. That's terrible.

I would hate to have to make somebody do that. So, yeah, it was a report from a child protective services worker. And they said that was sufficient as a rebuttal to character witnesses or character testimony that he wouldn't ever sexually assault women. Oh, yeah, there it is. The report itself is never admitted into evidence, though. Really? On purpose. They don't submit it because it had sensitive details about child stuff.

Okay, and when you do that, then the jury gets to sit. And that, too. Yeah, it would be on here. So that's why they don't want to do it. His attorney at this point, because of this being introduced, Nelson's attorney says, we need a mistrial. This is over. This is too much.

This is over, man. Are you fucking kidding me? This is going to ruin my record. I don't think we're going to win. We would like a mistrial on the grounds of that is devastating. There's been a lot of evidence. And we don't like it. Possibly too too much that's what we're saying now so like a missed trial on grounds of i can't win no shit so the judge says no yeah uh you brought up character shit denied so he said yeah you brought it up so in the closing arguments um obviously prosecutor

says that he did horrible things to his sister horrible things to this lady to wanda lesher he killed her lucky he didn't kill his sister he's a monster obviously the only thing to do is to fucking get him out of here so um verdict um, verdict comes in and juries, jurors find David Nelson guilty, obviously. Thank fuck they didn't take the... Without that track record of what he's capable of, he may have walked. Oh, he may have walked, yeah, just with his

wife and his kids. Oh, daddy was home with me. I don't know how, though, when there's four other people going, dude, it was your pickup truck. None of us have a fucking pickup truck. How did we get her there? You know? What are we talking about? Yeah, we didn't put her in the back of her Sentra, then burn it, and then carry her somewhere else. That would be kind of crazy.

So the jury comes in, and they're wanting to say, do they decline, or do they recommend mercy or not? And they say, you, sister fucking hillbilly. Oh, boy. No mercy. Fantastic. No mercy.

And the judge sentences him to two terms of life without mercy. So double life, obviously. Double winner. He is the opposite of a double winner, is what I was saying. No parole for him. Now, his appeal is kind of interesting. We're going to talk about that shit because it is they should play the uh sensei from the karate kids saying no mercy when they

when they sentence people in west virginia you want just memes in court now i want to direct your attention to the screen please and then the guy from no mercy and it comes up with like crazy letters and the cobra guy cobra guy and like a you know kirby pops up in there and he's like yeah that'd be a meme i don't know let's make it enjoyable i want to watch make this entertaining christ west virginia's fucked up enough let's let them read first. They got to get the internet before they get. Yeah. Let's really take it easy one step at a time here. So November 1st, 2007, he files his appeal. They yeah, they said that, quote, the cross examination was not limited to whether David Nelson sexually abused or sexually assaulted his sister one time when she was 13 years old, adding that the prosecutor suggested the abuse continued since she was 13.

That's the appeal case. OK. They're saying, yes, you brought up character stuff to rebut character stuff, but you took it outside the bounds. And they said no evidence was submitted indicating that any court proceedings took place with regard to the sexual misconduct before um she wasn't called to testify this is his appeal what he's trying to say your cues or blah blah they wrote that the report wasn't admitted into evidence and uh they said quote this is the court the this court finds it difficult to sustain the prosecution that the cross-examination elicited nothing more than rebuttal character

evidence they're saying you got a little bit more than you got a little bit more than he got out of the character thing basically like he was like people like he's a good guy and they were like he rapes his sister while she's a child like it was but that's what character shit is a good point he's hitting singles and they're just blasting them out the park. Boom. Fucking standing there watching them. Yeah. Into the giant bay. Walking up the baseline with the bat still in their hand, just ready to drop it when it falls in the water.

The hand up to their ear listening for the splash. Kerplunk. Oh, man. So they said that they never engaged in a factual determination concerning whether there was sufficient evidence to show the past acts occurred because they were all kids and it wasn't a criminal trial. It was a child protective services thing and that never got followed up on because it's in Dingus, West Virginia. So, fuck, man. Or maybe it did. I don't fucking know.

But nothing ever came of it anyway. So the decision comes in on what to do with his appeal here. The West Virginia Supreme Court on August 30th. It's a five-judge panel here. So it's a majority rules type situation. Four out of the five justices vote that he will, you sir, get a new trial. Wow. They fucking reverse his shit, man.

Can't bring. Oh, no. Yeah, no, they reverse. He's got. It's they. And without that, he could. Holy shit. Fucking crazy.

Yeah, they reverse it. New trial for him. They're saying and everything. This is Chief Justice. I'll give you the justices who did this just in case you run into one of them you want to give them a piece of your mind here chief justice robin davis justices joseph albright brent benjamin and larry starcher said new trial and then justice spike maynard had a dissent is that is that real justice jimmy justice spike maynard his name is spike judge spike legal name spike

i am justice spike maynard that is the furthest anybody named spike has ever achieved i will spike justice into your chest cavity till it comes out of your back spike maynard spike maynard well spike maynard's fucking awesome because well that isnard's fucking awesome well that is my family's uh last name from uh from germany and and i hope that that is my family might be related to justice spike pray to fuck it is you gotta do look in the in the records here so uh justice maynard is the one dissenting insane vote and he said quote i would affirm the convictions of the defendant david nelson because i do not believe the trial court nor the prosecutor committed any error dissenting, sane vote. And he said, quote, I would affirm the convictions of the defendant, David Nelson, because I do not believe the trial court nor the prosecutor committed any error.

Clearly, the trial was in all aspects fair and impartial, and the jury reached the correct verdict. The facts in this case are brutal and some of the most horrible that I've ever read. The evidence shows that the defendant and the other four perpetrators raped the victim, Wanda Lesher. They beat Ms. Lesher on her torso at least 19 times with a two by four, causing numerous bruises on her body and three broken ribs. The defendant and the other perpetrators also struck Ms.

Lesher more than nine times on the head, fracturing every bone in her skull. The evidence shows that Ms. Lesher's upper jaws and lower jaws were broken from being struck with a heavy object. In addition, jaws and lower jaws were broken from being struck with a heavy object. In addition,

a defendant and others hit Ms. Lesher with such force by a two by four with nails sticking out of it that her brain went into the front of her skull and caused fractures to the bones. These fractures resulted in lacerations on Ms. Lesher's face. Further, the defendant and others strangled Ms. Lesher, breaking a bone on the roof of her mouth.

Ms. Lesher's lifeless, bloody, bruised and battered body, whoa, he's getting fucking serious here, was discovered lying in a shallow grave covered with sticks and twigs. An ear was missing and she was naked with the

exception of a pair of socks. The deputy chief medical examiner concluded she died as a result of multiple blunt force injuries to the back of the head, or to the head, back and anterior torso with ligature strangulation and drowning as contributory factors in her death. In the midst of this indescribably horrible ordeal, Ms. Lesher begged to be allowed to go home to be with her children. What Ms. Lesher suffered in their final hours of life is truly unimaginable. suffered in their final hours of life is truly unimaginable.

I'm simply shocked that the majority reverses the defendant's convictions based on allegedly improper questioning of the defendant by a prosecutor. Contrary to the majority, I believe the defendant was properly questioned under Rule of Evidence 404A1, which they're saying they should have had a hearing over it before they allowed it to happen, about allegations that he sexually abused his sister. The purpose of this questioning was to rebut testimony of good character offered by the defendant. That's what I mean. They didn't need proof of that.

If you're taking character shit at face value, whatever the witness says, why do you have to prove this if he's saying he's good? Well, prove you're a good guy then. But upon, like, do they just have that and then they don't have to offer that as discovery? Or do they like have to offer that as like, if you say that, we're going to say that. No, that's not their plan. The prosecutor has to tell you everything they have, but that's not part of it.

They're not allowed to introduce that. They had that in their back pocket. So he was surprised when he brought up. Absolutely. Because that's what you do. You have to get dirt in case they bring up character then you can hit him with the dirt that's awesome um yeah i wish i was there to see his fucking face no shit man so um yeah at trial the defendant's counsel presented a photograph of the defendant with his wife and two daughters and represented to the jury that he's a family man

on direct examination counsel elicited testimony from the defendant that he's not a cold-blooded killer a kidnapper and a rapist counsel elicited further testimony that the defendant does not have a general dislike of women he does not like to beat up to beat and rape them and he loves his wife and daughters because the defendant put his own character at issue the state clearly had a right under our rules to impeach the defendant's character the state properly sought to do so by asking the defendant about allegations from a 1987 child services report that he had sexually abused his sister on numerous occasions from the time she was 13 years old these allegations of abuse were certainly relevant to rebut the defendant's claims that

he's a family man who holds women in high esteem and does not believe in raping or beating them. Which are things you shouldn't have to prove about yourself. I like that. That is terrible. Yeah, there's very few people. How many people are going to accuse you of raping and beating them? None. I can't think of one.

I got zero. Yeah, I got zero on my list. Fucking zero. Trial court did not abuse its discretion in allowing the defendant to be asked about these allegations. Once he denied these allegations, the jury possessed all the relevant evidence necessary with regard to his character to make necessary credibility determinations. It's up to the jury at that point. I agree with that. Don't bring shit up if you don't want it.

Fuck around and find out. I mean, watch out. Shit. around and find out you know what i mean watch out shit so uh he said quote uh the state is needlessly charged with the time and expense of retrying a defendant who is fairly found guilty of an evil and heinous crime by an impartial jury you sir yeah should be keep fucking off yeah you're not going to and then spike jumped on a santa cruz and rode home yeah that was it he's like later brah yeah he doesn't even take off the robe. Pop the joint in his mouth.

He's like, yeah. So new trial comes around. There's going to be a new trial. In this trial, all of a sudden now, I don't know what happened between then and now. It's been a few years. David Nelson's wife now says she won't testify on his behalf to his alibi. Oh. None of his family will. I have lied once. I can can't do it again the daughter won't say he was home she won't say he was home she'll

go i don't know where the fuck he was and the daughter will go he went somewhere yeah that's their testimony now uh-oh so at this point knowing that that's his only defense obviously he takes plea now he pleads guilty can you imagine not over yet though of all the luck yeah this fucking like what i had it pleads guilty to second degree murder and conspiracy to commit first degree murder so um there was no anyway they they didn't do anything you notice charges that are missing there? Second degree murder. Rape? Yeah.

What the fuck is that? There's no sexual assault charges in here because they didn't have any physical evidence. So he won't plead. So they said they could get him to plead guilty to the murder first degree. So they find him guilty. Yeah. May fuck off. Jail.

Life with mercy is the thing with him that's part of the deal oh gross a man we know uh will treat women terribly oh absolutely jesus sister this one that one it doesn't fucking matter oh my god disgusting monster with mercy so he appeals his plea he pled mother fucker now this hillbilly dingus is going to appeal his plea. So he appealed his fucking judgment and got that reversed and now pled. And now he's like, that wasn't fair either, even though I signed it. Yeah. So in his plea, he is suing.

This is ridiculous here because there's a list of defendants. I found the original complaint from like I was on Pacer or something. I really got deep on this. And it says defendants in this case. Judge Michael Thornsberry. What is it? Michael Sparks, prosecutor. Mark Hobbs, attorney at law, who was his attorney who got his case overturned.

Wow. He got the judgment overturned. He's now suing him to adding him in the lawsuit uh jane doe a child protective services worker because they didn't give out her name jim gilliam investigator john milliam state police and others okay and there are a lot of others he alleges that after the reversal of his convictions he pled guilty to conspiracy to commit first degree murder and to second degree murder only. This is the only reason why.

Because the prosecuting attorney, quote, conspired with his wife to eliminate his alibi defense and threatened to arrest his father, brother and nephew if he didn't accept the plea agreement. OK, I'm going to round up every dingus in this county. I swear to God or nelson's here but they're still all related so what what does he think is gonna happen though do you think that's what happened do you think this i'll lock your i'll lock your nephew up and your brother you know what i'll lock your daddy up what do you think of that you better take that deal put everybody in jail for your crimes what for what well yeah why wouldn't you just go what they do cool i'll try you again you have no alibi witness that'll take about two days and then you'll

fucking life without again enjoy asshole i think he took it to knock it life without right to get the possibility um so he says nelson alleges that he is quote and this is a quote he is totally and completely innocent he's i don't think he's ever been his whole life completely innocent of anything i mean one means the same as the other totally and completely innocent by the way that's another uh tip that someone's lying yeah when they say like honestly that means dishonestly um when they say 100 absolutely positively not guilty, that means guilty as fuck. Normal people don't do that. When people start saying that I am not I'm or I did not do that, that means how you normally talk.

That means you're full of shit. Probably that's not your normal speech pattern. that DNA evidence was collected from Wanda Lesher and that the prosecutor and the plaintiff's defense attorney would not get DNA testing done to determine if the plaintiff's DNA was present. He contends that the other defendants, that the defendants are violating his right to access post-conviction DNA evidence because their shit's involved in it too, because there's more people the court holds that states have flexibility in developing procedures for dealing with requests

for post-conviction dna testing that the federal courts may upset a state's post-conviction relief procedures only if they are fundamentally in act inadequate to vindicate the so the federal this is a federal he's trying it's a federal appeal they say that the federal this is a federal he's trying. It's a federal appeal. They say the federal courts only get involved in the DNA shit if the states don't have their shit together enough to even do the testing that they're supposed to do and things like that. They do say, quote, the West Virginia legislature has provided a comprehensive statutory framework within which petitioner may file a motion in state court seeking dna testing of evidence that he didn't do that they're saying so you didn't file the paperwork to go through the proper channels not a problem then you're suing saying it was hidden from you can't do that you didn't try to get it first so they said if such testing results and newly discovered evidence calling into question is guilt a petitioner may seek post-conviction relief in state court pursuant to there.

So there he had a recourse. You shouldn't be in federal court, apparently, is what they're saying. There's no indication that he filed such a motion. For these reasons, get fucked, essentially, there. So he decides he's going to civilly sue all these people now. That seems expensive. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Does he have like a cousin who's a lawyer who went and got out of here? He is suing these people, this list of people. Judge Michael Thornsberry, the judge in his case, he's civilly suing him, alleging that he went to the crime scene days after the murder, discovered evidence with the police, aided and abetted the police in their investigation, withheld and suppressed DNA evidence and exculpatory evidence, and helped his attorney, the defense attorney, Hobbs, remove documents from the files which would prove that the judge was at the crime scene. So the defense lawyer has documentation that the judge was at the crime scene. So the defense lawyer has documentation that the judge was at the crime scene, traipsing around, and he destroyed it to hurt his own client.

Right. And help the judge. Yeah. To help the state. Wow, you're going long there. That's a long one. That's a Hail Mary, I'm going to say there. You're not very Aaron Rodgers.

No. He also, prosecuting attorney Michael Sparks here, he sues, see Michael Sparks, charging that based on the false, perjured, and uncorroborated statements of Alfred Dingus and Zondell Bryan, and disregarding the truth, encouraged Dingus and Bryan to perjure themselves against him, went to the crime scene scene also which a prosecutor can go to the crime scene look around um withheld dna evidence which would prove his innocence and suppressed exculpatory evidence as to the plaintiff's role made false statements to the press concerning plaintiff's role in the crimes against wanda lesher yeah because he was trying the case so what's he gonna go i don't think he did it but i'm trying the case what kind of bullshit is that um offered evidence of the plaintiff's alleged sexual assault of his sister conspired with his with plaintiff's wife lynetta basden and agreed to not to prosecute her friend if she did not testify in support of his alibi so not only did this prosecutor threaten to arrest her whole family

bar his whole family if he didn't take the plea but then said that he would dismiss a charge against a friend of hers so her friend's charge is more important than her husband's murder charge is what they're saying there and okay so uh yeah then he says the threatening of the family. The investigator, Jim Gilliam, participated in the decision to charge plaintiff based on the false, perjured and uncorroborated statements of Alfred Dingus and Zandal Bryant. So he wants to sue a cop for charging him an investigator for being involved in charging him with a murder, even though they don't have the final say in that. That's the, you know, the attorneys that do that. Uh, but he helped based on the statements that they elicited against him.

That's listen, James, you're civilly responsible. You got life in prison. You're going to, you're going to be in that library figuring it out. So you got a lot of time to write crazy shit like this, uh,

claiming he withheld DNA evidence as well. Um, Mark Hobbs, his own attorney withheld dna evidence as well um mark hobbs his own attorney withheld dna evidence which would that which of uh would have proved his innocence and suppressed exculpatory evidence as to the plaintiff's role his own attorney um communicated to plaintiff the the prosecuting attorney's threat to arrest plaintiff's father brother and nephew if plaintiff did not accept plea agreement and uh they says he also removed the files so the judge wouldn't get in trouble okay the chief investigator here participated in the decision to charge the plaintiff based on false perjured same

bullshit and finally or a couple more here suing alfred dingus jr civilly he's suing him so he's life in prison and he's a dingus what are you suing him for his fucking ramen noodles what are you getting from him saying he gave a statement to the police implicating himself and uh everybody else blah blah blah suing zendell bryant giving a statement that implicated him right uh lynetta baysden his wife sue her too fuck it sue my wife is my daughter in there sue her too my grandma's still Sue my wife. Is my daughter in there? Sue her too. My grandma's still alive. Let's throw a lawsuit at her.

She won't testify. I'll sue her ass. I had a teacher in the fourth grade. Come to think of it, I just didn't like the way, it's like expression on his face was real. Like, you know, what do you think you're doing over there? Let's sue him. What do you say?

Fuck it. Throw him on the suit. Conspiring with prosecuting attorney Sparks and agreeing not to testify to plaintiff's alibi at the retrial in return for the prosecutor's agreement, not to prosecute her friend. Child protective service worker, Jane Doe assisted and encouraged prosecuting attorney Sparks to convict plaintiff by using a 1987 report of sexual misconduct of plaintiff and his

brother against their sister in violation of state law and privacy regulations. Wow. And finally, John Mark Hubbard, David Bayesden, who I assume is a relative of his wife, and Greg Smith suing them. We've never heard of these random ass people were aware of and had knowledge that the prosecuting attorney sparks used false and perjured information to charge mingo county residents with crime and did nothing about it thus adopting the custom practice and policy these are county commissioners is what they are so it's their fault that they've allowed this to go on under their umbrella he's getting the enablers this is yeah he's suing fucking everybody. I can't believe he's suing his attorney that got him his decision reversed.

Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And in this, like I said, he implies that, not implies, accuses him of removing files that would make the judge look bad. Staggering. In order, yeah. Now, the judge is the one I really, I think that's hilarious. That's just fun. He says that he agreed to work with and assist the police and prosecutor in the investigation of the crimes, accompanied the police to the crime scene and assisted with the gathering of evidence, withholding of evidence, giving advice and instructions to police and helping to solve the crimes committed against Wanda Lesher. He was not acting in his judicial capacity. That isn't, a judge shouldn't do that if he did do that. Well, I mean,

they call him a prosecutor in a robe, so, I mean, that's what they fucking do. Yeah, well, I mean, they're not allowed to. Right, right. They're not supposed to. They don't go to crime scenes and shit. Not until the trial, maybe. They should never have rubber gloves on. No, no. Judge Ito wasn't traipsing around in Nicole Simpson's

blood going, what's this over here, guys? You see anything? That wasn't happening. Because also in a place that's not this fucking big, you wouldn't know who the judge is going to be because there's a lot of judges. There wouldn't be. He's the judge. He's going down there with the cops.

There's plenty of cops and plenty of judges. Who knows what's going to happen? But he heard there was a murder and he was like, I'd kind of like to see that. Let me go take a gander at that. Let's have a look-see. I'm going to take a gander. Do I want to see a dead body? I guess.

I think I do. Yeah. So he said, as a result, he's not entitled to the usual absolute judicial immunity, which comes from just trying a case, and whatever you do is in the furtherance of your job and if you fuck something up it's not a criminal or a civil act it's just a mistake that happens second um yeah they said that his conclusion uh the complaint makes no link between uh they also try to say that he he tried to like that he helped the perjury happen against him but then he was also at the crime scene but they're saying there's no connection between those two things um he

alleges all of this shit here um they say under no circumstances was judge was judge thornberry performing his judicial function when he assisted and worked with the police blah blah blah um they find though that in order to do this, really, really have to have a lot of evidence of this. He has to go over the top to be able to civilly sue a judge for something like this. It's got to be crazy. It's got to be very egregious. It's got to be really, really egregious. I'm sure people can think of a couple examples of that.

Yeah. Of an egregious judge who, whatever, think of a couple examples of that sure yeah um of an egregious judge who whatever it picks aside obviously it happens too far yeah it happens all the time so um the decision on the judge yeah is that judges are neither investigators nor law enforcement officers they do not gather evidence they rule out immiscibility of evidence in court proceedings uh blah blah blah so it appears based on the objections that the plaintiff's allegations were that he, the judge, withheld and suppressed evidence. And they're saying that you could sue him if that was proven true. That would keep him, that would get rid of the immunity because these are non-judicial acts. Yeah, you got to impeach them pretty hard.

You have to prove that first, and you didn't. So steps. Claims are not proof. Exactly. Dingus and Bryant sounds like the worst law firm in any city in America. Or anything. Dingus and Bryant. Sounds like the worst restaurant.

Yeah. Sounds like the worst automotive shop shop sounds like the worst ever ad agency gave my business to dingus and brian you guys have lost me that's the worst taco shop that's the worst everything it's the fucking worst now witnesses have absolute immunity from liability for their testimony at court proceedings period um that's it now perhaps to avoid the rule of absolute immunity the complaint focuses on the statements given statements given not their testimony in court only their statements given beforehand which is what they then testified to um it's it's pretty fucking silly so they come up with that going yeah no that's not how that works

you can't sue them wants to sue his wife like we said yeah, no, that's not how that works. You can't sue them. He wants to sue his wife, like we said, because she declined to do all of that. Because you won't talk. Yeah. They said that the undersigned proposes that the presiding judge find the plaintiff's complaint, fails to state a claim against defendant. So, yeah, no, you shouldn't have to testify. That's the thing. She doesn't have to say that. If she says you you weren't there you can't force her to say you were

and as a matter of fact as a wife she has uh more opportunity and laws and legality to not yeah yeah yeah and obviously to protect to protect the uh implications and yeah this is the opposite this and she's whatever she should be able not to fucking testify she doesn't want to she just she just says i'm not going to say what you want me does you want me to say that you weren't there fine i'll say that and she he's like what do you mean i can't i can't do that yeah that's not true he she just won't testify on his behalf yeah i'm sure if she was subpoenaed by the prosecution she'd have to testify and she'd say he wasn't there right that's it so uh yeah she and then also the whole thing with the county commissioner suing them um also there's a thing about his

lawyer he claims ineffective assistance of counsel of trial counsel because the council made a motion to withdraw from the case which was denied and making this claim nelson persists in alleging that the council did not have a license to practice law at the time of the trial okay okay no um they counter that it's patently false because while the proceeding that ultimately led to the annulment of his law license began before so he did get his license taken away the process began before the trial started but they didn't take his try his license away until january of 2006 which was like six months later holy shit this is a fucking mess you dingusy shit bags a man was like under review of his license to practice law oh yeah and he's like and they allowed him to be on a murder on a murder trial no problem but to his credit he did get your shit reversed no this

was his trial lawyer not his appeal lawyer okay his trial lawyer got him convicted appeal yeah appeal lawyer appeal lawyers are totally different lawyers usually they're good at appeals okay different different specialty so uh yeah ineffective by not raising that uh wow um we find this allegation likewise false because they said that he had a law license. What the fuck do you want? He said he defended you vigorously. He did everything that you could possibly want from a lawyer. Made no mistakes.

He was licensed. And then we took it away later. That's it. So finally, that is affirmed. And that is finally settled. June of 2015. Holy shit. It's finally settled down. Stuck around way too long.

So as of now, all five of them are in jail until at least 2032. And yeah, that's that. Poor Wanda's dead. Wow. And that's that. So that is Dingus, West Virginia. Yeah. Okay, that's Dingus.

Beautiful. Now we have story number two. Oh, is Dingus, West Virginia. Yeah. Okay. That's Dingus. Beautiful. Now we have story number two. Oh, my. Okay. Heavy today. Another crazy name of a fucking episode 250. We're bringing it for these people. This is good.

Yeah. We want to keep this. Got a lot for you. Yeah, baby. We got a full episode here. This is in Sand Lick, West Virginia. Sand Lick. Sand Lick.

L-I-C-K. One word. L-I-C-K. L-I-C-K. Gross. Sand Lick, West Virginia. Sandlick. Sandlick. L-I-C-K. L-I-C-K. Gross. Sandlick, West Virginia, this is. It's an unincorporated community in Mercer County, West Virginia. It's located on Sandlick Creek, of course. It's like they thought a sandwich was called a sandlick.

It's a sandlick. Let me get one of them sandlicks. Y'all got sandlickies? Let me get one of them sand licks. You all got sand lickers? Let me get a ham sand lick. This is at the junction of County Route 71 and 5 and 71 and 13, north of Bluefield. It's about two and a half hours to Dingus. Okay. Two and a half hours over to Dingus.

Now, I tried to look for the population of the place i found on several websites that said the same thing as far as we can tell sandlick has not been included in past past census counts so there's no population information no idea unity um it's literally what it is there's no it could be 12 people that there could be 12 there could be 3 000 but it's they don't participate meaning that no one will knock on doors because they're afraid to get killed it's hysterical it's nuts so bluefield which is about you know five seven miles away that has about 10 000 people there so this is like a normal you know it's a normal little small town

just a nice town there yeah and then you have the sand lickians are the whites yeah the sand licks come from the fucking hills holy to ask if taco bell has any mozzarella cheese sticks you know i mean that's what they do awesome streaming down oh shit the sand lickians are coming yeah everybody get the kids inside. They're coming from Sand Lake. Oh, God. Pop over McDonald's, ask for some breadsticks. With like Mad Max trucks and stuff. People standing on them. Lifted El Caminos.

Oh, yeah. Lifted big tire El Caminos there. So Sand Lake, obviously, is a... Sand Lake and Dingus are our two towns this week. You know we're in good goddamn shape here. Absolutely. So let us talk about a man from sand lick the man from sand lick his name is kenneth parsons okay okay um this is fucking amazing this is a crazy goddamn story so on november 1st 1985 they're calling it the morning of and i'm thinking it's a late night because they're at a bar, a tavern called the Timberwolf.

Okay. It's in Sandlick, West Virginia, obviously. So Kenneth Parsons is there. He's hanging out with a guy named Howard McCormick at the old Timberwolf. Hell yeah. You know, it's got a picture of a big howling wolf outside. No, it doesn't. It's got Christian Leitner on it. 85.ian laitner was about fucking 14 years old yeah so uh they meet

there uh and they drive to they have a few drinks at a bar so i'm thinking this is like after midnight then they drive to a store oh maybe this is morning i think this is morning dude i think they're morning drinking in a bar wow this I think they're morning drinking in a bar. Wow. This is real. They're morning drinking in a place called the Timberwolf. Awesome. And near Sand Lake. So it's not even in Sand Lake. Right.

So they drive from there to Mason's Store, it's called. This is in Seth, West Virginia. Why, you may ask? Yeah. So Kenneth Parsons can purchase a gun. Oh, my God. Because when it's in the AM and you've already been drinking for a while, it'seth parsons can purchase a gun oh my god because when it's in the am and you've already been drinking for a while it's a good time to get a gun you're not

even day drinking yet you already made bad decisions yeah you're drinking with your eggs that's really weird and gross so he tells uh this mccormick guy parsons tells mccormick that i want to buy a gun so i can shoot fucking Terry Thomas. You know Terry. Yeah. Yeah. He's been fucking around with my ex-wife. Yeah.

And I'm going to shoot him. Had enough of it. I have come to the decision over a couple of cheap whiskeys that I am going to murder this man. Come to the decision over my Budweiser and eggs. It is. It is. I've had enough. Let's go.

My old crow tells me I need to go buy a gun and shoot him. So now it's not even known that he's romantically involved with the ex-wife. He suspects that this is going on. So he's like, I better shoot him. Suspicion is enough? I better shoot him just in case. You know what I mean? Awesome.

You never know. He could be doing it. If not, he's just going to be laughing behind my back. He don't even know. He suspects it. Well, I suspect you got a bullet in your head. How's that sound, Terry? If he's not, then at least nobody else in town will.

And then I'll make sure he definitely ain't now. So he said that he went to the store, wasn't able to find the type of gun he wanted at Mason's store. He told McCormick that he wanted a gun small enough that he could conceal it in his boot. Yeah. He wanted a boot gun. It's a good one. You know, when you got to get a boot gun. It's a damn good gun to have.

Ridiculous. I mean, how many times do you go for a boot gun and you're like, that's not, that's too big for a boot gun. That's too small for a boot gun. It's going to fall down and be in my- What am I wearing, a garter belt? Come on, man. What do I look like? I got Tony Llamas. They'll pack a big one. These look pink to you boot gun. It's going to fall down and be in my... What am I wearing, a garter belt? Come on, man. What do I look like?

I got Tony Llamas. They'll pack a big one. These look pink to you, pal. Let's go now. Jesus Christ. That'll hold at least a.32. I need at least a.25 in there. You know, something.

I can't have no little pea shooter in my car. I could get a five-shot.38. Let's go, buddy. Maybe put it in there. So they drove to the home of a different guy who has a gun for sale just know all the guns for sale in town this is a mr a joe dolan mr joe dolan he sells them a 32 caliber yeah you know by boot gun like we said somewhere in there uh 32 caliber pistol and shells oh for 90 bucks wow it's a stack gun must be a piece of shit well it hasn't been

cleaned it's oiled it's rusted and shit today those shells are 90 bucks a gun and shells for 90 bucks that seems really cheap that's it might just be it might just be enough shells to make it plural and two shells so they purchase the gun and then you do as you do after you purchase the gun always make sure that shit works well no you better go back to the timber wolf and get back drinking again damn it well we got the gun back to the stool all right now maybe terry thomas will show up shit um now uh they meet paul kirk there also paul kirk's brother robert kirk and a guy named randy thomas this is amazing oh yeah everybody's hanging out there so you got mccormick you got kenneth parsons paul and robert kirk and randy thomas all hanging another five pack yeah all

the timberwolf all all the timber Timberwolf's busy this morning. It is banging. Business is banging. Can you call Betty Jo to take a shit? I mean, we need extra paper. We're getting crazy here. We can double our profits. We get another cashier.

Somebody here. So the Kenneth Parsons, he talks Paul Kirk into driving him somewhere. He's at a bar in the morning. You think he wants to drive somewhere? Oh, boy. No, he's there, so he doesn't have to drive. Convinces him to drive him to Whitesville, where he intended to. Yeah.

This is such a weird thing. What a weird morning. Go drinking. I think I should buy a gun. Yeah. Back to the bar drinking. Hey, will you give me a ride? Well, I'm just kind of sitting there.

Please, man, please give me a ride. God damn it. I sitting there please man please give me a ride god damn it i need a ride all right fine what do you need it for well i need to purchase a stereo and four kitchen chairs no table mind you a stereo and four kitchen chairs why mind you why do you think jimmy i got a new trailer uh no as a gift for whom his ex-wife what the fuck that mad libs is that so fun a stereo i got her birthday gift list and these are what she said she wanted yeah four chairs. Yeah. Four chairs. Kitchen chairs, mind you. And me to be packing heat in my boot. Got on 1985 offer up, and I'm going to go find them.

I'm going to find them. So he's going to buy them as a gift for his ex-wife. What kind of a drunken logic is like, my wife really would like this stereo and kitchen chairs? How much disposable income does he have that all day long he can just be drinking buying random shit yeah he's doing well over here it's just a weird appetite for consuming so the kirk brothers randy thomas and kenneth parsons i guess mccormick is gone now leave the timberwolf drove to a furniture store and purchased the items okay so he was like this what i thought it was like somebody was selling that right like my buddy's selling a stereo and four kitchen chairs she could probably use new kitchen chairs he went to a furniture

store like i need to buy her a stereo and four kitchen chairs that's what she's going that's gonna get her to love me again and interesting fucking outing that's yeah okay it's not like it was just for sale just random shit and he's like it'll do yeah no no he purposely bought this four chairs and hysteria so from there where do you think they're gonna go now to her house to drop that shit off of course not no why would they do that that seems logical right drive around with the shit in the car no no no well yeah but to a place they drive to richard gene adkins house uh where they spend the entire day drinking so they sitting there looking at the pickup the lifted el camino with all that shit in the back man Man, it's all back there. You did a good job. She's going to love that.

Well, I tell you what. Get me another beer. So they spend the entire day from like noon to 730 drinking. Just shouting beer me. And mind you, this has started. They've been drinking all morning, too. So this is just at least 12 hours a guy's been drinking now. This is too much. So at 730, Parsons looks at his watch bleary-eyed and he

goes it's about a good time to go see my ex-wife i'm gonna drop the shit off right i don't know if she had to work till then or what he's like i'm about ready to do it what'd you think i think i'm drunk enough to go on over i think let's do it so they the five of them drive over to his ex-wife Kathy's trailer, obviously. Probably in a single cab pickup truck. I'm sure. Two guys in the back. It's Mad Max, like we said. There's one guy.

Pulling off to the roll bar. Just a big bullet thing on across his chest, a Rambo bullet thing. No shells in it. No, no, no. It's just a strap. Just looks cool, man. It looks fucking awesome. It's made of leather.

There's like three shells in the whole thing. Spaced them out so he looks more important. That's all I got left. That's what I got. Went on a turkey hunt. Yeah, you know. Shot a lot of them. So, now, you want it to get even more West Virginia and more fucking crazy?

Sure. Yeah. Okay. Kenny and Kathy, they're divorced. Yeah. Yeah, of course but you don't think they don't still live together in the same trailer in the sand lick trailer park in what county west virginia boone county west virginia baby this is the whites this is where the whites are from

unreal this is a white fucking story here absolutely is i don't know if he i don't i gotta check he might be related to them probably they seem to be all related um i don't know i don't know how big boone county is but i do know that if you shake the pills that's the main they show up so yeah uh so they still even though they are legally divorced so they didn't just break up they're legally divorced paperwork's done. They still live together in the same single wide trailer at the Sand Lick Trailer Park. But he has money to buy guns and fucking furniture. He is killing it. So he shows up.

Yeah. Shit faced. With four other dudes and a stereo and four chairs. I got you, baby. And he says, I bought you some gifts. Yeah. Darling. Yeah. come on over here you're gonna like don't mind all the guys i brought with you they're just drinking in the

driveway do some stretches so you can lift this shit i'm drunk yeah i'm how none of us can carry he said but um you know bought you some gifts she told him i don't want that shit i don't need a stereo and four kitchen chairs why the fuck did you bring that to me you drunk asshole doesn't even match the table that's the thing this wasn't like a thing that she has been needing all right i could see if like she's got no chairs on the table and she said she'd really like to listen to music she doesn't need any of these things and doesn't want them and she's like why did you bring me these stupid awesome um so they start to argue at this point as it obviously you know it's just a

cacophony of sound coming from the inside of this tin trailer right so paul kirk uh thomas and adkins start to unload the truck they're like i guess we'll just put the stuff in the driveway might as well because we're probably gonna have to make a getaway when they start arguing. So once they unload the truck, they just leave. They're like, fuck it. He's home. He lives here. Robert Kirk was asleep in the truck. He didn't know any of this shit was going on.

He passed out. He's been drinking for 12 hours. This is what happens. Day drinking causes this. It's been a long day. It's been a while. So at this moment, what Kenneth does is, i don't know why i guess the argument had died down i suppose um because at some point he showed her the gun took it out of his boot and told her

i'm gonna shoot terry thomas oh boy um she then called him a chicken you ain't gonna shoot terry thomas you chicken yeah um so and i don't want your goddamn kitchen chairs chicken chicken they live together maybe don't live together when you're divorced yeah and why is a back to the future insult it's 1985 it's literally the year back to the future came out she probably just saw Back to the Future. What are you, a chicken? Or Robert Zemeckis just read this story. One of the two. So she called him a chicken, you chicken, which he said made him feel, quote, an inch tall. Yeah.

Just an inch tall. That's what happened to Biff, too. Call me a chicken. Yeah, it'll really ruin you. Marty was not to be called a chicken. Would you call me? What are you, a chicken yeah it'll really ruin you that marty mcmarty was not to be called the chicken yeah would you call me what are you chicken not taking it he'll snap he'll snap buddy what does that even mean it's the stupidest insult ever did did our chickens just knock they're cowardly i mean the cowardly chicken if you go a thing? They run away. I guess. I guess, but no more than other animals.

You ever seen a deer? Yeah. Yeah, they haul balls. You've caught them. They run three miles. When you're a block away. Yeah. You're talking about.

What are you, an elk? Those turkeys by my house in New York? That's the fucking, you walk outside, they're all over. They start running in the woods like crazy. What are you, a pigeon? What are you, a pigeon? Huh? What are you? What are you pigeon huh what are you what are you uh you fucking finch you're a raccoon that's what you are you're just a little raccoon with your little eye things and you're climbing in my garbage you ever tapped on a fish tank those

things haul balls there are all sorts of skittish what are you trout what are you tetra so she called him a chicken which made him feel an inch tall right so what do you do when someone calls you a chicken luckily marty mcfly didn't have a 32 caliber pistol in his boot like kenneth parsons here he pulls his gun out of his boot oh my and aims at a kathy a kathy and his wife yeah dare you call me chicken i'm not chicken i'm drunk yeah so she said well you are a chicken and he shot her in the nose oh my god he pulled the trigger shot her right in the nose wow he said that he didn't think the gun was loaded he said oh shit kathy i don't think the gun was loaded. Literally went over there. Except for the part when I put him in there. Yeah. Kathy's taken to the hospital.

She dies several days later. Wow. She survived for a few days and then dies. Stunning. Shot her right in the face. Right in the nose. Wow. Killed her.

So the first officer to arrive at the scene was Deputy Sheriff Mark Parsons. No relation. Just everyone's name parsons here because why not it's west virginia so obviously i'm sure there's no relation my ass deputy parsons drove up and could see someone lying in the open front door of the trailer and quote a second individual standing over the body yeah bad sign deputy parson yelled parsons yelled quote hey kenny let me talk to you a minute how about freeze you're over a corpse move away from the corpse please i heard gunshots were fired yeah or or sir please lay down while i get that person medical attention wow kenny can

i talk to you for a minute let me talk to you for a minute kenny responded quote come and help my wife then we'll talk about it so they conversed briefly a drunk man is telling him how to do his job yeah the correct way he's right that's the thing he's correcting it let's talk about it after you try to stop the the bleeding the massive bleeding from her chest cavity if you could do that for me please then we'll talk about it after you try to stop the the bleeding the massive bleeding from her chest cavity if you could do that for me please then we'll talk about from her face or facial area don't you remember train the first day they told me medical attention come here come on shot my wife in the face come here i'll talk come on over so come help my wife now they talk for a second and i guess they're waiting for i think he called for an ambulance, and I guess they're waiting for, I think he called for an ambulance, I would assume.

But he's not really doing anything as far as medical attention goes here. This deputy, Deputy Parsons and Kenny Parsons, they talk for a minute. Eventually, Kenny finally walks off the front porch toward the police cruiser. It's at that point that Deputy Parsons handcuffs him, places him in the cruiser, reads him his Miranda rights. While waiting in the car, Kenny Parsons told Deputy Parsons that, quote, if you took off the handcuffs and gave me a cigarette, I'll show you where I hid the gun. Oh, boy.

Which is good evidence. You would do that if someone says that. You don't uncuff them, but you might stick a cigarette in their mouth. Yeah. He uncoffs them and gives them a cigarette in the car. All right. There you go. Sounds like a good deal to me.

I mean, sure. I'm sure it ain't anywhere where you could reach it with your bare hands and grab it and kill me with it. Right. So then he leads him into the house. He lets this guy, uncuffed, walk into the house over the body of his wife. To get a gun. To get a gun. To get a gun. This is great.

He's going to hand it to him. He's a great cop, this guy. You can tell already. He is a fucking top-notch lawful officer right here. Wow. Led him into the back bedroom, lifted the mattress on the bed, and retrieved the gun and handed it to the cop. Wow. The fucking cop let him pick the fucking gun out and hand it to him.

He is David Arquette in Scream. Wow. Oh, I thought it was. Or anything in David Arquette's life. Anything that he ever did. I was talking about, was he a cop in Lake Placid, too? I didn't see that one. Really?

Is that the one with the shark in a freshwater bottle of water? The shark. That sounds dumb. It's dumb as shit. That sounds ridiculous. It's about as. Oh, it's a gator, isn't it? Yeah, it's a complete farce.

It's bullshit. It's ridiculous. It's a murderous animal in a freshwater lake. It's not supposed to be serious. It's a bad movie. It's a dumb movie. It's like, we made a bad movie.

Wink. It's like Sharknado before Sharknado. Sharknado minus- Trying to not make it so obvious. Right. And Betty White's in it, so whatever,

but it sucks anyway. Okay. While in the car, I'm sorry, they get back to the car with the gun now. They drive him to jail. On the way, Deputy Parsons reads him his rights again. Yeah. Within five minutes of their arrival at jail, Deputy Parsons reads him his rights again. At which the time, this now's been read three times everywhere.

He's at house, car, office, all Mirandized. Kenny says, I'm going to give you a statement. I got something to say. He says, all right, well, what do you got, Kenny? And Kenny says, well, I can explain everything. Yeah, obviously. And he said, well, we're all ears. He said, what happened was, was yeah i killed my ex-wife

because she was fucking around and the guy wasn't there so i shot her it was an accident i thought a gun wasn't loaded but that's why i bought the gun right to shoot that guy and uh obviously i didn't do that so clearly it was an accident yeah if i'd shot him i would have said it was on purpose but i didn't did i mention she called me chicken? She did say chicken. And they went, ooh. And they wrote that down. They were like, he's got a point.

I mean, chicken is chicken. Yeah. So at the trial, he, at trial, he had, yep, I shot my ex-wife. His only defense was, not that it was an accident. I was insane at the time of the shoot. Oh, my. I just went. I was insane and not criminally responsible for my actions.

The jury disagreed and found him guilty of second degree murder by use of a firearm. Chicken defense doesn't work. Obviously. Yeah. Now, in his appeal, he challenges the court's findings that he was capable of intelligently waiving his Miranda rights before his statement. He argues that he's unable to intelligently waive his Miranda rights because of his, quote, borderline intelligence. Yeah. And because he suffers from frontal lobe damage caused by a serious injury to his head.

Would you like to know how that serious injury to his head was caused he has cte he's claiming and there is an injury it's the most riveted it's the most west virginia way to have frontal lobe damage did he fall off a tractor in the history no no no very specific in 1982 three years earlier he's involved in a fight in which he was hit on top of the head with what do you think a piece of coal that's the most west virginia fight ever someone used coal as a weapon i've never heard of that before causing frontal lobe damage that have you ever heard of it he hit me with a piece of coal have you ever been hit with a piece of coal. Have you ever been hit with a piece of coal before? Never. Never. He sustained a severe head injury, which left him comatose for seven days. Cola toast.

Cola. Yeah, exactly. Cola toast. And required him to be hospitalized for a month. Holy shit. From coal. Holy shit. I didn't know it was that hard.

Me neither. Fuck, man. was that hard me neither fuck man he uh says that the the law's confessions elicited by law enforcement authorities from persons suspected of crimes who because of mental condition cannot knowledgeably and intelligently waive their right to counsel are inadmissible okay whereas a person of less than normal intelligence does not have the capacity to understand the meaning and effect of his confession and the lack of capacity is shown by evidence at the suppression hearing. He's trying to do this. Okay.

Now, what he does here, he brings in some psychiatrists. At the suppression hearing, to suppress his whole thing, he brings in the testimony of Dr. Robert Martin, a psychologist and director of the Shawnee Hills Mental Health Program for Boone County. Dr. Martin testifies that Parsons' IQ is about 75. Oh, boy. So just above Gump, we're talking. Yeah, this is bad.

Slightly above Gump. And he described him as someone with, quote, borderline intelligence. So, I mean, he's not slow, know he's not the quickest either on out there so uh he explained that individuals of borderline intelligence are not mentally you know deficient or anything they're able to live independently can be self-employed he's 75 iq go to the any go to a walmart you're gonna find about a half 75 iqs walking around with somebody standing there drooling not getting out of your fucking way in an aisle. 75 IQ. So looking at two things

that are very similar, different brands trying to figure out the amount that's different. Yeah, what does that mean? What's the difference? Shit, a court or a, I don't know. $79. Damn it.

Jesus, this is a pain in my ass. $82. So, yeah, he's able to live independently and can be employed. Dr. Martin also testified that he was suffering from, Parsons was, not the doctor, from a mixed organic brain syndrome as a result of the serious blow he got in 1982. When asked whether he could understand his Miranda rights, Dr. Martin said, quote, I think if they were explained to him carefully and he listened carefully and he was functioning at a reasonably normal level for him, in other words, not intoxicated and so on, then he could probably understand them. Although obviously there was evidence he'd been drinking all day,

there's no evidence introduced that he was intoxicated when he waived his rights and gave the statement. Because he waived it several times, but at the station later, that's like two hours later, it's a little more sober, you know what I mean? So what they did is they show the doctor a copy of his statement to say, this sound like someone who is whose brain is working enough to waive their miranda rights and dr martin's felt that the statement was coherent and indicated that he remembered the events of the day and was clearly not having a bad day and fine apart from killing his wife apart from the fact that he killed his wife because he's a he's a crazy fuck i don't i mean i'm not supposed to say that i'm a doctor but like i mean really he certainly gets a little fucking.

Yeah. A little fucking bonjour. I'm just going to tell you. So you get smacked with coal. Yeah. Who's used to that? So the state presents a testimony of the arresting officer who testified that he was read as Miranda writes three times. The third reading was one sentence at a time.

OK. After each sentence the deputy parsons asked him if he understood what had just been read that's what they all do in a in a interview room if you watch an interrogation they sit down they go over the rights one at a time with them like that um so each time he responded affirmatively and initialed each line as evidenced and then he said what he did um deputy Parsons also said that he was cautious in transcribing the statement. He said he asked him a question and recorded his response verbatim. After completing each page of the statement, Deputy Parsons read the page back to him and asked him if he agreed with what he just read.

And he made necessary corrections and then signed each page of the statement. So that seems pretty decent there there's trial shrinks in here saying borderline intelligence um they said what one shrink here dr david clayman when asked whether the appellant was later on uh parsons was able unable to control his behavior and refrain from using the gun, Dr. Clayman stated it was possible, but not likely. Oh, boy. So he can't control himself. He said he explained why he felt it was only possible and not likely that he was insane

at the time of the shooting. He said crimes of passion are not predictable, but the only place where it becomes likely rather than possible is if you have someone who's repeated committed repetitive hostile acts and they said he doesn't have a history of violent behavior there uh family and neighbors according to the testimony um they said that he always feels like everyone's against him he would often become angry for no reason and very often drinks alcohol to excess yeah so he's unstable angry and drunk those are perfect in a constant state of concussed in a constant state of concussion and he feels like everyone's against him yeah he's one of those and he's a victim so um a neighbor of him

of his said that uh she had known him all his life and has been his neighbor for two years preceding the shooting. She said, quote, I feel like he wasn't an insane person. I feel like he would become irrational when he would drink, as a lot of people do, and when they would have arguments, they argued a lot. But I do feel like he had the mentality to know right from wrong. And the court agrees, and they say fuck off kenny parsons and they send him to prison okay for life as well life without uh he gets he gets life with mercy so who knows he could be walking around right now uh either way yeah if he is we don't

know about it because he's in a town with no census so i'll never find him he's fucking he's in a holler somewhere holy Holy shit. Crazy shit. But that, everybody, is episode 250 and West Virginia. Boiled. We're talking Sand Lake, West Virginia. We're talking Dingus, West Virginia. Goddamn, Bones fucking County. Boone County.

We got Dingus in Mingo County and then we visited where the whites are from. That's episode 250, baby. That's small town murder right there. So thank you, everyone, by the way, for hanging with us for 250 episodes. We really, really do appreciate it a ton. And also thank you for everyone that came out to live shows this past weekend. Fucking amazing. We really enjoyed them.

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Please, please hit me with the list of people who are zero. There are zero dinguses on our list. Hit me with the list of no dingus, baby. Let's do it right now. This week's executive producers are Cameron Miles. You're my personal hero this way, by the way. Thank you, Cameron. That was very, very nice of you.

You are awesome. Ann Leskinen, Jordan Bennett, obviously, Under the Sea Fabrics. Great to see you, Jordan. And Under the Sea Fabrics is back. She took a break for a minute, and she's back. Thank you. Amanda Huggenkiss, I doubt it. Connor Briggs, Tommy Cardanius.

Marvin Freeman. And Karen Gates. Thank you guys. Truly, the amount of support you guys give is really, can't be overstated. It's certainly always understated. Yeah, it's always understated. Other producers this week are Amy Wright, George Farmer, told about the show by Jade Daniels.

Thanks, Jade. Well, thank you. Big Nick in Vemeter, Iowa. Chris Clark. He's an Army vet in Middletown, Ohio. And Amy Spicer helped drive Jordan and Lonnie from the airport at the show this week. Well, thank you. Nice to see Amy, too.

And Larry Butterfest. Great to see you, buddy. Great to finally meet him. Absolutely awesome. Meet him. Meet Royce. Oh, Royce is the best, man. We had a great time.

Incredible time. Other producers also are Thomas DeMello, checking in from Paraguay. Rosa Martinez, Jess Finch, Carl Kirshner, Jennifer Ward, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadow, Jess Campanello, Chad Nordstrom, Allison Heimer, Aaron Ashaik. I don't know. Amanda Jacobs, Gary Friedman. Thank you always, Gary. Peter Schmuck, Maria Wiedeker.

Wiedeker? Wiedeker? Daniel Kaufman. Happy birthday, buddy. Jennifer Visconti, Rabbi Shmulalovich, and his pesky anal fissures. The poor bastard. Oh, that poor guy. Bill McClellan.

Craig Neal is a new dad. Congratulations. Michael Campbell, Kyle Painter's friend tiff happy birthday no i think it's kylie painter uh maybe it's just kyle probably kylie happy birthday tiff happy birthday janice miller steve poirier uh says nobody fucks with a poor year that was somebody from last year right yeah uh cherry and terry cunt no tunt my god and their and their lawyer legality. It's not real names. I know.

I love it. And I accidentally fucked it up anyway. Susanna Plachus. Imagine if it was two people. That'd be amazing. Really named Tunt. Oh, boy. Kristen Purpura.

Hugh Steffner. Justin Notoff. I said that. Matt Alter. Clintle? Clintil Bean? No, I doubt it. Gary with no last name.

Christina Shaw, Anita Gilmore, The One Mormon Furry? Okay. Okay. Boy, oh boy. I'm more than one. This has got to be. Yeah. It's repressed.

All right. Rebecca Seeger, Timothy Hammond, Diane Booth, Stacey Ekstrom, Adam Shelton, probably Blake's kid. Kelly Moorhead, tree with no last name abigail iverson kayla alvarez christian navarette uh jessica westmoreland adela uh adela watson jake scott hayla hayley hickson uh matthew sovine jason adams jessica yeah that one's never gonna to happen. Abby King. Tonya LeBlanc.

Jeremy McMillan. Jordan Wallace. Jordan Boyle. Pamela Durr. Ania Hyman. Oh, boy. Daniel Durbin. Alex Lackey.

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Michael Williams. Probably not. Rest in peace. Fucking Omar. Matt Bronell. Peter Gibson. Edward Luther. Tatum Smith.

Maribel Navarro. Carl Johansson. Johannesson. Adrian Robbins. And Amanda Hardy Clay. And all of our patrons, obvious. luther tatum smith mirabelle navarro carl johansson johanneson uh adrian robbins and amanda hardy clay and all of our patrons obvious you guys thank you so much fucking unbelievable and you make this so viable and so much fun i can't thank you enough yes thank you so much everybody for everything that you do honestly we're thank you just thank you for so much for coming out to live shows for doing the patreon yeah supporting us and we just thank you so much and jimmy what if they wanted to get a

hold of you yeah and thank you how can they find me on the internet this show's been long enough no more need for me to babble on what about you well you can find us just google us the show and our we'll pop up you can find us it's not hard to find people nowadays but keep finding us every single week for another 250 episodes god damn it because we'll be doing them you bet so keep them coming keep hanging with us and until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.