Small Town Murder - #255 - Sleigh Bells & Slaughter - Minden, Louisiana

Episode Date: December 23, 2021

This week, in Minden, Louisiana, a scene of carnage greets family members, as they arrive for a big Christmas dinner, resulting in a complete freak out from the entire small town, and making it not very safe for any potential Santa Clauses to visit. Pure incompetence made this brutality possible by allowing two dangerous felons to walk right out the front door of the county jail, and unleashing havoc on the area. A holiday manhunt follows, taking investigators all over the country, before bringing these heartless killers back to jail, and making the electric chair an option!! Along the way, we find out that Scottish enjoys watching herding take place, that you shouldn't shout your accomplices name during a robbery, and that bad things often happen to decent people!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today. We are excited. Happy holidays. Merry Christmas.

There you are. We're very jacked over here for, we love the holidays. We're, we're holiday people. I'm a Christmas person. I like putting the tree up and doing the lights and our house is ridiculous. Sarah's got it.

It's decorated pretty deep. So we're into this. So fun. I mean, everything's fun about it. We enjoy it a lot. So we're going to have a little Christmas everything's fun about it we enjoy it a lot so we're gonna have a little christmas murder here and it's it's a murder that's it's not just uh interesting because it happened on christmas if it happened on you know july 18th it'd be just

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make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. Yeah, but? But we're not scumbags. That's how it works, okay? So if that sounds good to you, we really do have a crazy story. Thank you for spending your holiday week with us and all that good stuff.

If you think true crime and comedy should never go together, you might not like the show. You might, though. I think you might be kind of off on what you think it is. Give it a run. Give it a run, but don't complain. We did warn you there will be jokes, but it won't be about the actual murder. So enjoy. There's nothing funny about horrible, horrible things that happen to people.

Although the things around it can be crazy. So let's do that. Now that that's said, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs and shout. Shut up. Give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I would like that.

All right. We were up in leafy New Hampshire last week. this, Jimmy. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I would like that. All right. We were up in leafy New Hampshire last week, obviously. It was very leafy up there in Plymouth and then into Massachusetts because the guy was a serial killer. So, you know, he gets around. That said, this week we are going down south. We're going to spend Christmas in northern Louisiana. Oh, my. Oh, boy. We're going to spend Christmas in northern Louisiana. Oh, my. Oh, boy.

We're going to Minden, Louisiana. M-I-N-D-E-N. The murder actually takes place in an even tinier town that's attached to Minden. I mean, it's just a little satellite. And we'll talk about it. It's kind of been absorbed into Minden, like the government and everything. But it's actually called Dixie inn inn like it's a like it's a bed and breakfast yeah like it's a bed and breakfast the dixie inn hotel yeah a motor

lodge so uh minden i want to show you this jimmy if you roll your chair here i gotta turn this for you this is the village of dixie inn's website yeah it's the logo its phone number its address and at the bottom it says this website is no longer updated or maintained to contact the village of dixie inn please call during normal business hours we've gone back to 1989 we're sorry we don't put up like you know town meetings up there anymore it'd be pretty great if they put just like one of those little clocks to say uh be back at this time be back on this day for service ring bell and no one ever comes does it say emergency call 9-1-1 in red on that it does emergency dial 9-1-1 like who didn't know that apparently they needed to get out but they can get on the Village of Dixie Inn's website, but they didn't know the emergency number. Check the website for the emergency number.

Will you dial up the town website? Oh, it's no longer maintained, but they do tell us to call 911. I wonder if that's the right number still. Jesus. Northwestern Louisiana, this is in. About 35 minutes to Shreveport. So this is almost like a suburb of Shreveport, if you can call anything outside of Shreveport a suburb. Because Shreveport's not that big of a place.

Shreveport's not that big, yeah. No. It's about three and a half hours to Dallas, Texas. It's closer to Dallas than it is to New Orleans. It's five hours and change to New Orleans. And it's about an hour and 52 hours to dry prong louisiana yeah which was our last louisiana episode episode 218 dry prong this is in webster parish as we remember louisiana has parishes instead of counties because i don't know they just have to be weird

and different and uh why not there's a parishes and wards and weird there's a weird french thing going on down there there's people who have been in this country for seven generations and nobody speaks english that's that's there's weird shit going on down there i think it's english yeah that's what i mean it's that's like a cajun creole mix up like that anything south of new orleans don't expect to understand a human being like you just less intelligible jerry reed yeah they really it's a it's a tough accent it's area code 318 the motto of here feels like home i'll bet it does feel it feels like home. Feels like humidity, probably. That's what I'm thinking. Minton was established in 1836 by Charles Peter. That's with two E's. Peter.

That's a lot. That's three E's. Half the letters in his name are E's. That's a lot. People from this town, there's actually a couple of people. Gene Austin, I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's the guy who sang My Blue Heaven, the song. Oh, really? He's that guy.

They sold like five million albums. Good for him. And also Sweet Lou Dunbar, who played for the Harlem Globetrotters. No shit. We all love the Harlem Globetrotters. So that's good shit. Yeah, it's weird. Two people came out of this tiny, weird little area.

The town's name is from the German city of Minden. They decided to just take that. I don't know why. This town makes no sense. Louisiana is totally French. They have a German name and later on a Scottish festival. The whole thing makes no sense. It's everything but our own.

It's so weird uh during the civil war a huge confederate encampment was here located inside minden that housed over 15 000 confederate soldiers jesus it served as a supply depot for the confederate army and uh they have uh there's a bunch of confederate soldiers buried in their cemetery, the old Minden Cemetery. They it was reconstruction difficult for Minden. The at one time they thought the both candidates for mayor were carpetbaggers. Obviously, you know, they weren't down for the cause. So they instead the town voters wrote in the name of a bull of a local town bull

they elected one they yeah you know they elected they wrote in and elected a bull mayor oh my god that's that's louisiana it's different down here i'm telling you we'll do neither of them i think a bull would do a better job that's got to be a nice city hall with all the last uh mayors on the wall well then you go into the mayor's office it's destroyed the desk is turned over everything's broken mr mayor oh god yeah he's gorging his press secretary it doesn't work out well it's tough so the in 1899 this is one of those places minden that in northern louisiana where it gets insanely hot in the summer and super cold in the winter there's they have tornadoes and blizzards and you name it whatever natural disaster hurricane yeah whatever a god-fearing

person would say maybe god doesn't want us to live here. Yes, this is a damned area of the country. They take it the opposite way and they go, God's given us obstacles to overcome. Challenges. So anyway, they had the Great Blizzard of 1899. Great Blizzard? The Great Blizzard, where they experienced the coldest temperature ever recorded in Louisiana happened in this town. The temperature February 13th, 1899 went to minus 16 Fahrenheit. Holy shit.

Which is about negative 27 Celsius for all you Europeans out there. That's so cold. That's freezing for Louisiana. During the Great Depression, there was two banks in Minden, and one of them failed. So that was bad. Half the people in town lost their money, because this is pre-FDIC protection. And then

a fire destroyed a major section of the downtown area right around that time as well. And the other bank? Things were going bad. Yeah, the other bank, all the other money burned up with the bank. And that was it. Everybody had to start over. Yeah, the other bank, all the other money burned up with the bank. That was it. Everybody had to start over. Okay, that was 1931.

So this is all happening in succession. Then on May 1st, 1933, a tornado ripped through the town and destroyed 20% of the homes. Why would you stay? One in five homes. Bye. That's enough now. We're leaving. That was enough now. We're leaving. I was in the 30s, though.

Back then, people didn't live long enough to know that in 1899, it was freezing as fuck around here. There's one old guy going, you should have seen how cold it was. They're like, shut up, Grandpa. My house is blown down and the bank's on fire. God damn it. He's 47. Talks like he's 90. Well, yeah. Back then then it was tough on you

the dust will you ever see pictures of the dust bowl people it's brutal there is little tiny little girls that are to crow's feet and just they look fucking haggard you're like man you've been smoking a pipe for the last 12 years it's going on she's nine what the yeah damn poor kids haggard man it's all over for her. Reviews of this town. Wonderful, wonderful. This town, they really run the gamut, too, on reviews. From I love it to holy shit, I wish it would catch on fire again, pretty much.

So here's one. Five stars. I liked how friendly the people are and how everyone have great attitudes. Everyone have great attitudes. Everyone have great attitudes. Everyone have great attitudes. The stores that I visited, everyone greeted you and always had a smile. These reviews with the everyone's and always is, I don't like it. Bad grammar.

It's stunning, really. It's stunning. And the name of the person is just Visitor. They visited the place and they liked it a lot. This person, imagine just driving through places and reviewing everyone that you drove through. Based on one interaction you had with someone in a store. We should start doing that. We should.

We really should. I'll give it a really detailed one, too. You know me. I'll put time into it. Like, it'll be a... Whatever the town was that I ate popeye's chicken at a gas station they're getting a terrible review somewhere in central pennsylvania that's where it was food poisoning is everywhere it's everywhere it's rampant every time i eat there i get food poisoning

i've gotten food poisoning 100 of the times i've eaten there that's what we're gonna do every single time never failed never never fails oh i love it uh here's another five star they love it man minden louisiana is a lively town filled with historic artifacts and culture minden's own main street offers antiques galleries and delicious restaurants. Five stars. They love it. They live there.

No food boy. I mean, delicious. They didn't say anything about it's a level of poison, but here's one that's three stars. It's not getting a little, it's getting dicey. Uh,

Minden is a very small town, which I have lived in my entire life so this is a lifelong resident here okay there is not much to do around here that's kind of to be expected i would like to see us finally get a few more stores than the ones we've had for years a few more stores i really wish we could have like a movie theater or a club yeah that'd be great wow now that i'm older i want things to do a movie theater yeah that's not a lot to ask for really no it's not that is like bare minimum i mean yeah these towns in in the dust bowl had movie theaters yeah there was always

one that you know that big big uh triangle marquee that came out jutted out from the building and if it closed down the whole town would go no we need it and the guy go oh shit i guess i gotta reopen so they don't kill me you have to lose money every month sir because this makes us feel like americana it's so yeah we need americana i would listen to these lines though i'd like to see a few more stores i really wish we could have like a movie theater or a club. Next sentence. Minden is very cluttered, seems like to me. You just asked for more shit, and now you're saying it's cluttered. He just says there's not enough. We don't have many hotels for people to choose where they want to stay if they are from out of town.

Overall, it's a nice place to come if you're hiding and don't want to be bothered. What? Jesus Christ. Was it Alaska? It's a nice place to come if you're hiding and don't want to be bothered. What? Jesus, is it Alaska? Really, Minden's a weird place. When criminals come here. One star here. They have a lot of people that are out of jobs and kids that have nothing to do but get into trouble.

That's all it is. Parent is the person there. That's who wrote it? That's it. Parent. And that's all it is. Parent is the person there. That's who wrote it. That's it. That's it. Parent. And here's another two stars. If this area doesn't get better, I predict everyone moving away. Everyone.

Wow. Mass exodus, huh? That's a lot. That's my prediction. Wow. They're all going to leave. All of us. And it doesn't get better.

They're going to leave. That's pretty solid choice. All right. right here's my favorite this is one star i'm reading it right as written so some of it doesn't make any sense but we're gonna we'll figure it out one star okay this town look like everybody has died in it that's the opener it's a solid line you pulled in they're all dead already like a twilight zone episode run down building and houses old ugly rotten houses what is the mayor doing with money this city is taking in the best place i'd smoking joe's the best place i'd smoking joe's i i maybe that was that was typed on an iphone that's is best place yeah smoking joes maybe yeah would never come back here to live well a former resident is what it says under them so

that's pretty awesome uh tax money goes to fixing up people's houses is that what he thinks is that yeah right god damn it my porch is falling apart no that's not how that works. I'm going to call the mayor because my garage is leaking, James. You should. Get the mayor of wherever the hell stupid city in Arizona you live in. I think it's Peoria. Yeah, that's definitely it.

Yeah, that's my address. Now, people in this town, it's gone up a little bit here. 11,575 people here right now. Dixie Inn, the town where the actual murder takes place, has about 220 people in it. So it's just this. It's nothing. But the stats are pretty much the same. We'll give you the Minden stats so they make sense.

Female population in both places way higher than the males. I don't know what the hell the males are doing, getting eaten by crocod or some shit but this is our alligators oh not crocodiles alligators yeah they're going over to play with paul hogan and get eaten by fucking whatever who cares they're both yeah they'll bite you either one so they're uh it's 54 female which way, way high for a place with 11,000 people in it. Median age is right about the national average, 37. Twice as many people over the age of 75 here as normal, though. Is that right? Yeah, a lot of old people here.

Low married population. It's only 40%, normally 50%. The divorce rate and widow rate is much higher, though, somehow. More divorced and the divorce rate and widow rate is much higher, though, somehow. So less people married, more people dying and getting out of these marriages, getting out one way or another. We'll put it either one way or another. You're out an exit. Absolutely. Single with children. Twenty five percent, which is very high compared to normal.

Single with no children. Thirteen percent. A race of this town.'s a pretty balanced town here. From what I gather, I don't know if this is true or not, but from what I've gathered, the neighborhoods kind of go along racial boundaries type of deal here. 45.7% white, 50.6% black.

So pretty close. 0.5% Asian, not too many asians 1.1 percent hispanic that is incredibly low normally 17 and a half percent in the rest of the country yeah 65 percent religious not a shock here oh boy this is this is bible country 43 percent of the people here are Baptist. My God. Baptists are, as we know, the Catholics of the South. That is heavy.

That's heavy. And we were in New Hampshire last week and it was the same thing with Catholic there. It's never fails. Yeah. Only 1% Catholic here. And that's not, not playing that shit. 10% Methodist,

3% Pentecostal, 0.0% Jewish. I'm not surprised with that here in this town. Webster County or Web Parish, whatever the fuck. 34% of the people voted Democratic in the last election. 65% Republican, 1.2% Independent. Unemployment rate here right now is exactly the national average. Unemployment rate here right now is exactly the national average.

But the household income is less than half the national average, which is not great. $28,450 is the median household income here. I cannot imagine. That is what's left. It's 57 and a half thousand in the rest of the country. So 38% of the people here make under $20,000 a year. It's tough, man.20,000 a year. What? It's tough, man.

Yeah, it's rough. It's not an easy place to make a living in a rural area like that. Some of them there are, but I don't think there's any manufacturing around here or anywhere you could get a decent, that kind of job. Just so that I don't feel sad, I'm going to assume that these people work for cash under the table and don't report. Let's hope so. Let's hope they're all just that hurts. It's just a society of bartenders. That's all it is.

Servers and bartenders serve just selling each other coke and hiding the tips. Who knows? Cost of living. One hundred is regular average. Here it is. Seventy four. So pretty low. The housing, though, regular average. Here it is 74, so pretty low. The housing, though, real low, 33 out of 100. Median home cost $148,400, which is about half of the national average.

That is so cheap. That's wild cheap. That's really cheap. And if we've convinced you, damn it, you have nowhere else to go but Minden. We have for you the Minden, Louisiana real estate report. All right. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $720 a month, which is super low. It's almost $1 almost 1300 in the rest of the country i found a four bedroom three bath 2444 square foot house here it's a lot of house

it's a lot of house it's right off the the real estate listing quote needs some tlc oh that means it's a piece of shit. I would call it pretty fucked up if I wrote the listing. Pretty fucked up, but it is brick, so it's gonna stand through a tornado, so that's good. It'll still be standing. Recent $10,000 price cut.

$99,500 for that, though. They had that listed at $109? $109. It's 2,400 square feet feet but it needs a lot it needs help uh then i found a four bedroom three bath uh 3416 square foot house this thing is it's a it's a big house needs a complete update brown carpets dark dreary kitchen weird wallpaper around the you know the the border wallpaper and the weird it's it's it was decorated in 1988 and no one has touched it since it's basically but it's it's on a half acre and it's a lot of a lot of house 165 000 bucks for that that's amazing so that's not bad

then i found this this is a a steal in a and if you're in a city that's expensive, like Phoenix or something. Six-bedroom, five-bath, 5,338 square feet. It's a monster. Huge house, big brick house. Lovely. It's a lovely home. It's right on a lake or a pond or some shit. There's water.

You could go out in the back and throw your fishing pole out there. Six and a half acres. Not too shabby reasonably updated it's not they didn't do it last year based on the newest hgtv standards but it's been done in the last you know 10 12 years it's pretty nice uh 525 000 bucks for that that's incredible 5. For 5,300 square feet. Yeah, in Phoenix, that house would be $4 million. So that's pretty good. Yeah. Things to do.

Okay. Not a lot, but I did find something weird, of course, because, you know, why not? It's the Scottish Tartan Festival. Tartan Festival. Yeah, Scottish shit. I don't know what that is. I don't either. I found the events that

happen here maybe we can discern what it is based on those what do you think let's give it a shot maybe we can reverse engineer this shit and figure it out uh the highland cattle herding they have that's what tartans do i there's a lot of things going on here. Enjoy the antics of the dog herding of the Highland Scottish Castle. Or cattle. Not castle. Cattle. The cattle will be herded. Have you heard a castle?

The cattle will be herded into the corral between 1030 a.m. and noon with demonstration of commands happening between 1230 and 1. I think you're watching dogs herd cattle. Yeah. That's the event here. And it's going to happen. They'll get them in there sometime between 10 and 1. I think you're watching Dogs Herd Cattle. Yeah. That's the event here. And it's going to happen. They'll get them in there sometime between 10 and noon. 10 and noon.

Takes a couple hours. It's very weird. Hay rides. Two different hay rides will run from 11 a.m. till 5 p.m. So there's that. There's a broadsword demonstration. Oh, that I love. That's pretty neat.

This is an event sponsored by Shreveport Historical European Martial Arts. This will occur at various times throughout the day. So you're standing there with your kids, and out of nowhere, two dudes with giant broadswords will just start fucking Conan and the Barbarian in front of you, just swinging them at each other. Those swords are so heavy. I can't believe people swung those they're huge that's why they needed arnold to play that part because no one else could

wield the sword around with a giant guy on steroids bisect a human they are heavy as fuck man yeah even if they're not sharp you could bisect somebody now here's another one i don't know what the fuck this is but it's hilarious the kirking k-i-I-R-K-I-N-G, the Kirking of the Tartan ceremony. That sounds hot. I Kirked her right in the tartan, baby. Kirked him right in the tartan. I know. I Kirked her right in the tartan, boy.

I don't know. She liked it. Hey, she asked me for it. What do you want from me? A Kirking. A Kirkter. Good. it hey yeah she asked me for it what do you want from me a character good there will be a kirking of the tartans held on festival grounds at 12 noon immediately following the grand march of clans don't do that in louisiana i understand it's different in scottish but you have to understand

where you are um this is oh yeah a scottish forebears as we publicly display our clan tartans which were banned for so long in the past by the English government. Then there's music, and it's a lot of older people with weird instruments. There's shit I don't even recognize. A lot of, I see bagpipes everywhere. A lot of shit I don't know. Well, Jimmy, look. Okay, roll over here, and I'll turn to that.

What the fuck is that? What is that? Looks like a hand drum. Right is that what is that looks like a hand drum right that's what it looks like like it's like a tambourine that doesn't tambourine like a hand snare i've never seen that before is that a is that a thing a hand snare you just look at him he's like hey man i'm playing the bagpipes he's like this long-haired like hey and then this guy's like he's fucking playing the bagpipes bro he's just this old he looks more like where am i with an electric guitar what a weird thing i want to watch that kind of it's

it's hard there's a piece of clothing right i think it's like a like a like your family crest i think on a on something i think but i don't really care so don't don't treat us jordan's husband is going to text me and tell me all about perfect we'll know all about it soon crime rate in this town yeah uh property crime little bit low maybe about 10 low uh violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about one third under the national average. Terrific. It's a pretty safe little place.

Not bad. That said, let's go back to a day when it wasn't safe at all, shall we? All right. Let's do this. Let's talk about a murder, Jimmy. Okay. Now, so to do this, we need to go back in time, Jimmy, to December the 24th, Christmas Eve, 1982.

Lovely time. Let's do it. Oh, lovely. Big hair flopping around everywhere. Feathered. Feathered hair. Ah, so it's your second, Jimmy's second Christmas. Isn't this sweet?

There we go. Yeah, we were little babies at this time. We were little tiny kids. Neither of us were even in fucking school yet. We were little. No. Walking around in cloth diapers oh boy that's i've heard that story so it's 8 p.m on christmas eve december 1982

let's talk about a couple of guys here jimmy wingo oh jimmy wingo over here who sounds like he has a food network show doesn't he let's just makes wings. Jimmy Wingo's World Wing Tour, you know? Yeah. And he's got, like, the Jimmy Wingo dancers behind him that are, like... Some knockoff of Hot Ones. Yeah, exactly. It's just the same type of ship. And he's like, I'm Jimmy Wingo.

He's really into it. He's like a failed cruise ship director. Everybody's having ghost pepper sauce today. Let's do it it he's like a failed cruise ship director everybody's having ghost pepper sauce today let's do it let's do it uh jimmy wingo's 30 years old now growing up jimmy wingo's a boy scout oh he's a boy scout growing up uh he does many things he's a mechanic at one point he's a former oil city police officer as well oil city oil city baby i wonder wonder where they got that name you don't have to dig too deep for the history of the name there we found oil well shit i mean no one's oil city i mean obviously oil city usa baby fucking put it on a t-shirt

send it out we're doing it incorporated merch y'all selling merch baby y'all. We're selling merch, baby. So he was an Oil City police officer, and he actually tried to be police chief there in 1976. So just six years ago, he lost a close election for police chief with Oil City. And he also ended up, he was a mechanic for a while, and he's done some things here. He was a mechanic for a while, and he's done some things here. He knew a guy. There's a guy named Bogey Price who he runs a sporting goods store in Atlanta, Texas. Yes, that's a place. Atlanta, Texas.

The look on Jimmy's face just now is amazing. That was baffling. Did I hear that right? Two different places. That doesn't make sense, James. You didn't trust your ears at all right there. You were like, he didn't just say Atlanta, Texas. This is pretty hard. So this guy says that he knew Jimmy Wingo when he was working as a mechanic in an Atlanta, Texas garage.

And he said, quote, seems like a pretty nice fella. He would come into my store every day and chat with us. He would look at guns and fishing gear yeah typical kind of just backwoods kind of a guy he is man's man i guess he worked in the atlanta area atlanta texas i can't express that enough he worked there in about uh 79 80 after his run as a police officer. And once you lose the police chief battle, you know, you've said terrible things and like put it on a lawn sign in your yard about the police chief. You can't exactly just go work for him.

Probably after that, you have to probably right. You have to retire in shame, I feel like, and go be a mechanic. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast. Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28

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So he said that he worked there and he lived in Louisiana and would drive over to Atlanta, Texas to do his job. So there's another young man here. Now, keep in mind, Jimmy Wingo's 30, Boy Scout, police officer, all this stuff. Upstanding mechanic in atlanta yeah jimmy glass on the other hand the other jimmy two jimmies in this one these are gonna jimmy and jimmy jimmy and jimmy what a big shocker here this is what the hell jimmy glass is 20 he's 10 years younger than wingo he's a high school dropout and general ne'er-do-well around town and around everywhere just general dirtbag ne'er-do-well high school dropout and general ne'er-do-well around town and around everywhere just general dirtbag ne'er-do-well high school dropout perfect pair that do so what the fuck

do they have in common exactly not a lot not a lot in common well the one thing they do have in common is they're both in the custody of the uh webster parish jail on christmas eve 1982 it's one thing they have in common together no matter what there's always that couple of jimmies got arrested couple of jimmies not together mind you they didn't get arrested together they're they've come together under the roof here so apparently on christmas eve about 8 p.m they were being the depth they talked the deputies into or the deputy i think this isn't deputies this is one guy who falls asleep with the key ring up there and if you get a long broomstick you can get it like there it is it's one of those there's like an old dog sleeping you know it's out cold

like a basset hound yeah so he they talk the deputy into letting them make christmas eve phone calls it's a it's christmas eve let us call our kids man let us call yeah literally lingo says i have a i have a i have a kid you know i have a girl with a kid i got all this stuff i you know this one's going let me call my mom you know it's christmas come on have a heart have a heart so the deputy goes jesus deputy goes oh hell yeah you know what it's christmas jesus christ i can't i can't be i mean you know you got a bunch of guys going come on it's christmas and you're the only one there after a while you're gonna crack and go fine i'll let you make your stupid phone calls would you no i wouldn't but this guy says fine i would uh let's do it. So he says, you know what?

Sure. I'm going to be a nice guy. He lets them out of their cell to make phone calls. And just as they start making their calls, the deputy is, quote, distracted by a disturbance in a cell. Of course he is. There's a big ruckus that goes on. He has to run to the back into a cell and see what's going on with a couple of people. At that point, the jimmies

just say well fuck it and they take off okay well no one here to keep us in he didn't tell us not to escape he didn't go i'm gonna go do that now don't escape while i'm back there you boys stay put now yeah uh they ended up using a fourth floor courthouse elevator and just went down like Ted Bundy, but without the jumping. Like if Bundy just found an elevator and strolled out, that's what it would be. This will be easy. Yeah, they just did. They ran away just from there, ran off on foot. And about a little after eight, they're running around downtown Minden just doing their thing.

running around downtown minden just doing their thing and uh the sheriff because you gotta remember this name sheriff webster paris parish sheriff royce mcmahon m-c-m-a-h-e-n he is alerted at that point so by 8 20 p.m there's roadblocks up all over town yeah which is like three roads i mean it's not like you know what i'm saying It's really not a whole lot of stuff going on here. Surrounded the town with two cars. Yeah. Get everybody out there. No, Bill and Bob. Jesus Christ.

I tell you, lazy sons of, well, get him up. I don't care. I don't care how drunk he is. Shit, just tell him to sit in his car. Put his damn pants back on. I don't give a shit. So, yeah, they say that uh uh wingo has brown hair he's about six foot one fair complexion may have grown a beard uh at some point here in jail

the last couple hours no no in jail since he was arrested because they have like his mug shot and they're like he may have may have a beard at this point or not because he could have got out and shaved it so look out for a possible beard basically possible beard he's got big bushy hair though he's got like a big bushy do uh jimmy glass he looks like a like a crazy wrestler he looks like uh trying to think of a wrestler people would know but like an 80s barbarian like nord the barbarian how he had like wild hair not bruiser brody because that was a different kind of hair. But anyway, he has brown hair. Jimmy Glass. He's about five feet eight and weighs one hundred forty five pounds.

So he's a much smaller guy here. Now, Wingo was convicted and was waiting on sentencing in jail on a burglary charge. So that's what he was doing in there. Jimmy Glass had served. he was in he for some reason i don't know if they have they don't have a prison there they just keep them in the county jail oh my god so for some because he was serving uh he has one year into a 10-year sentence for the armed robbery of a springfield a spring hill convenience store at the county jail 10 years they're keeping him for 10 store at the county jail. Ten years.

They're keeping him for 10 years at the county jail. So he got put in when he was 19 in the county jail for 10 years for armed robbery. So that's he basically dropped out of high school and immediately started armed robbing. People are like, well, what are you going to do with your life? He's like, I'm thinking about armed robbery. I'm thinking about going on tour. The community college is a pretty good course in armed robbery i figure i'll take a couple semesters and then i'm gonna hit the road with

it i really think i can pull it off on tour of all the diamond shamrocks of this country i'm gonna start my own business i don't want to work for one of these big convenience store robbery firms that people get recruited to after school i don't want to work for one of those i really want to kind of do my own it's got my own identity in the robbery game. Be your own boss. These two are jerk-offs. A burglar and a convicted burglar and a convicted armed robber, these idiots are.

So they're off on foot. That's about 8.20. Roadblocks are up. By 9.15pm the roadblocks are still in full force. They haven't found them. It's been an hour. These idiots are still wandering around. And we bring into the picture Conan Brown, C-O-N-N-O-N, Conan. I've never seen that as a first name before.

That's not Conan? I don't think. Not with two N's, right? I don't know. Conan has an A in it, too. It does. This is Conan, Conan Brown. I guess.

A lot of people name Brown in this story too, but they're mostly related. It's not hard to follow this one, I promise. He goes up to a roadblock about 9.15. He and his wife Lois drive up to the roadblock. They're on their way home. They live in a house just

a few hundred feet. It's not far from the roadblock and also it's a few hundred feet from their parents' far from the roadblock and also uh it's a few hundred feet from their parents house as well so they're they have kind of their parents have like a construction business and then they have their house and then a couple of the kids have houses too they're like right there on the streets they have like a bunch of adjoining properties type of deal and there's a mcdonald's mixed in there somewhere too jesus behind the parents house there's a mcdonald's i don't know what the hell's going on here

but it's on bellevue road and and dixie inn so um they were sitting there at the roadblock conan and lois and conan said it's probably just a driver's license check or registration or whatever the fuck you know so he takes his wallet out and gets his license gets up to the roadblock and there the actual sheriff is there of the whole parish so he's like oh wow this is different sure you know damn he says what are you what are you doing out patrol tonight on christmas eve night at 9 20 what the hell is the sheriff doing here he should have like five fucking scotches in him by now yeah you know yelling at his grandchildren or something this is a the hell's happening and you know they shook hands and shit because they know each other because it's this place and the sheriff told him to uh you know go ahead and drive through and he conan brown said well why don't you

tell us what's going on and he said said, I can't tell you right now. You'll find out. But I can't tell you now. Just drive through and go home. So nobody knew what the roadblock was about. So these people didn't know to like, you know, hey, lock your doors. Escaped armed robbers and burglars on the loose. And I get saving face and because they escaped from your jail.

That's likely what he's doing. Yes, absolutely. Isn't your job to protect the public don't you want to let them know that that shit's on the loose first thing is hey everybody lock your doors watch out yeah armed robbers it's not like they were like you know i had different white collar criminals out there they're gonna try these guys are armed robbers and burglars this is crazy so these are violent men uh quit with your with your fucking humility uh eat your humble pie and just tell people we fucked up there's some bad people

out here things might have turned out a little differently if he did so now let's talk about conan's parents here this is newton newt brown that's his dad he He's 55 years old, old Newt. And then Earlene Neely Brown is the mom, or Newt's wife. She's 51 years old. So he was born in Sarepta, Louisiana. Lived in Minden for years and years

and years. They owned Newt Brown Contractors, Inc. He's a member of the Baptist Church. He served in the european theater in world war ii literally fought hitler that's that's fucking crazy so unbelievable fucking hero this guy so i mean that this guy's a man you know what i'm saying or just a badass you say that because at the world war ii you think of that like these old- Resilient son of a bitch. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It's just, that's a lot. So he did a lot. It's a fascinating war. The fight was like literal hand-to-hand combat. Well, no, there's a lot of, not too much of it. But I mean, they're on the ground running through trenches and shit after people. Like actually there.

They had crazy weaponry there. Civil War would break down into like bayonet charges at some point. They had crazy weapons. Guys would do bayonet charges and they'd fucking blast cannon fire and blow up whole lines and shit. It was insane. They didn't like the old generals didn't realize, oh, artillery is different now. They were just like, charge the line. What the fuck?

I'm like, what the fuck? So anyway, his wife here, she, Earlene, I'm sorry, she was born in Shongaloo, Louisiana. Oh, it sounds lovely. Shongaloo. And she's also a member of the church, and they've run this construction business together since 1969. And all the kids work there. It's a family business. They live around there. They work there. The one woman who's a secretary for Newt Brown Contractors said that always, even though he's the boss, Newt, he always works right there beside you. You're more likely to find him out changing

a tire on a truck or running a drag line than you are doing paperwork really he's that kind of guy he's a hands-on guy he didn't say i can make a lot of money doing this he said i like building shit that's the type of guy he is and um you know he's like i'll go beat hitler i'll just go over there i'll go fight him it's all right beat hitler i can build a fucking house that's i can i can install your plumbing system don't worry about it. So he said that she said that Mrs. Brown, too, also very hardworking woman, always there. You see her come in and gets down on her hands and knees and scrubs the floor. And the employee says she doesn't have to do that. Will you know she pays us to do that and she just does it anyway.

They said that he was the kind of guy always he'd have regular cookouts and fish fries for his employees and tell them to invite their friends and family if they wanted and you know trying to have a nice atmosphere they said the christmas bonuses he gave they had 17 employees and this woman said quote they're always a lot a lot bigger and a lot more generous than they ever had to be so they're good people these people they're nice people that uh salt of the earth people and they actually you know wanna he said he's got a business but he doesn't seem to just be trying to extract every penny out of it he gives back to his employees he likes to work on stuff he likes to do things uh during the christmas party this year

the workers all chipped in because they like him so much and bought him a new pair of elk hide boots oh i've never even heard of those i didn't know you made boots out of elk hide but apparently you do and well james the fanciest ones are that's true how did i not know i look for a moose boot actually but if you're gonna go with elk and be a little... I don't want elk hide boots unless on the toe is where you put the fucking rack. That would be amazing if you had boots with antlers in there. Like, what are those? They're elk, obviously. Look at the goddamn antlers.

That's a 12 point right there. You can't even walk. They're clacking together. That's fashion, Jimmy. I want them. Apparently, Newt coveted these elk hide boots big time and i was showing them off to everybody going look at what i got look at my new boots and uh you know the employees were happy about that so christmas eve night there um they were at their camp that night at lake uh jesus bistanau bistinu it's louisiana i'm sure it's like

you can't even pronounce it bro they just like like what was that now yeah huh i'll be there what was that on my way don't know they left there about 11 p.m on christmas eve night because they had to get home because it's christmas eve and earlene told her friend quote we've got to get home so i can put newt's turkey in the oven oh newt gets his own turkey newt likes his turn well there's people coming over but it's he's the you know he's gonna he's gonna carve the bird it's you know he's the guy who's real interested in the turkey she said that quote he liked his christmas turkey simmered overnight what about simmered i think maybe like low heat bacon you're gonna boil it yeah i don't

know what they're yeah whatever he likes he likes a slow cook overnight is what i don't blame him juice go for that gonna be juicy so they got home about 11 30 from their camp there and um you know they were gonna get home and go to bed so they can get up in the morning she's gonna prepare the meal the children the grandchildren come over they all have gifts and it's a you know normal thing they're a big family that likes to celebrate christmas together they get uh every year she uh arlene makes a big you know traditional normal thing. They're a big family that likes to celebrate Christmas together. They get, every year, Arlene makes a big, you know, traditional kind of turkey dinner and everybody over and some Norman Rockwell shit going on here.

You know, they're all just whatever. So, anyway, while all this is going on, the Jimmys, Wingo and Glass, have slipped through roadblocks and they're hiding in a patch of woods by Highway 7, about a quarter mile from all the Browns and the company there, all their adjoining houses there, which is about a little less than four miles from the jail. They've gotten four miles on foot almost, though, here in just a few hours, which isn't bad. They're on the move. While being wanted. Like, you can walk four miles in a couple hours in no time flat.

Yeah, not when you're hiding in the shadows. Yeah, bobbing and weaving through every pass and car. Yeah, you can't just go on the shoulder of the road and start jogging. That's not going to work, the two of you in your uniforms. So from there, they ended up, the Jimmys, I mean, here, they went to a barn that's placed between Con and Brown and Newt Brown's houses. So they're right there. So that's where they're kind of hiding out for now.

They're like, they'll never find us in this barn in the middle of fucking nowhere, which is a pretty decent plan, actually. It's not bad. It's Christmas Eve late at night. No one's going out in the barn doing shit you know what i mean it's a it's a it's a solid place to wait out a roadblock anyway so um a little bit later here uh that's that's like we said about 11 30 at night on christmas eve now the next day, Christmas Day, in the afternoon, early afternoon, Dennis Brown comes over. He's the first of the family to arrive for Christmas dinner. Comes in the early afternoon, presents in his hand.

You know, everybody, you know, hey, we're here. And he gets there. First thing he sees is the turkey sitting on top of the stove uncooked. Oh. Raw turkey sitting on top of the stove uncooked oh raw turkey sitting on top of the stove which mom should be that thing should be getting ready to rest pretty soon like yeah earlene's old and brown by now yeah she should have been simmering all night earlene is has got her holiday shit together and she's you know not gonna not to have her turkey not ready in the middle of the afternoon. So that's very odd.

After he notices that, he notices he looks down. And the turkey is the thing that catches his eye immediately. He looks down and sees that there's a lot of groceries that were obviously for the dinner. Different, you know, whatever, can of cranberry sauce or whatever the hell. Everything's scattered on the kitchen floor. And there's bottles broken, and the contents of the cabinets with food are all strewn about. Things are thrown on the floor. It looks like a raccoon went crazy in here, like a family of raccoons from the great outdoors got into here.

So he's calling for his parents he's getting no answer no answer so he walks around looking for them and it's a small house it's a modest little house not a not a huge mansion that you'd have to you know oh maybe they're in their study you know it's they're either in the living room or the bedroom there's one of the two you know so he ends up he heads down to the bedroom and he sees them on the beds and says oh they're sleeping they look like they're just sleeping on the bed and then he notices blood on the pillows oh no and he says what the fuck so the covers were pulled up to their necks like they were just having a sleep in on christmas day they must have had a long night and um you couldn't see what was under

there which when he pulls it back and says mom dad pulls it back you can see blood and also you can see that both of their hands and feet have been bound with electrical cords oh yikes as well and they're very dead in bed here um pretty rough pretty rough stuff the uh from the angle of the shots fired into their heads the it was most likely they said the assailant was on the bed between them so tied them up hands and ankles and then facing away from each other and then got between them and shot them each in the back of the head wow Wow. That's what he did here. That's a weird way to do that. Yep. They said that it was a 38 that was right pressed up against the skull.

So, I mean, contact wound 38, which is a, 38's a pretty big caliber to get close up like that. That'll definitely do the job. So, how the fuck did they get like this? Shall we? Oh, boy. Okay. Okay. the job so how the fuck did they get like this shall we oh boy okay so around 1 30 a.m jimmy glass and jimmy wingo are outside and um you know they were walking through fields and all that and they finally found they said at one point they found some kind of business and a house and no one was home so and that was the brown house they saw the contracting business

and they saw the house so they said no one's home they tried to get a back window open and come through the back window just as they were doing that a car turned into the driveway they said so that was when earlene and uh and newt came home so they said fuck it and they went in that barn and kind of stood and hung out for a couple hours and said, well, shit, we can't go in there while they're coming in. So they said they watched the Jimmy's watched Mr. And Mrs. Brown get out of the car and go into the house. They went over to the park car, snuck over there to see if the keys were left in the car.

Yeah. Make an escape here. Fuck out of here. And they weren't, though. They had no keys in the car so they said okay well there's a carport area with a storeroom in it so they said let's see if that's open let's go in there and see what the fuck's in there anything that's of use to us basically they got to get out of their jail clothes they need money they need food whatever so uh they're trying to do that they go check it out they find a refrigerator full of beer oh yeah so they're like hey that's what you want when you escape from jail

and run four miles through louisiana year olds so uh they do that they decide that they should wait until they think the couple is asleep and then smash in the patio door like real fast smash the patio door run in bum rush them before they know what the fuck's going on they'll be still like trying to figure out where they are what's happening and we'll be on top of them and we can rob them they got to have something in there because they have like a 1981 lincoln so probably like a year old lincoln so like they got a nice car right i'm thinking they probably have something in there so um anyway they're drinking beer doing that that's the plan uh during this planning and drinking jimmy glass also drinks a bottle of champagne that he found in there as well very classy sitting behind the hedgerow yeah just

celebrating pop imagine that noise clinking glasses yeah just the book there's big pop and then just clinking glasses to us. A little bubbly. A little bubbly, yes, yes. That is fucking ridiculous. So at that point, Glass apparently cut what he thought was telephone wires, but who the hell knows what they were. I mean, he's a moron, this Glass guy. He's an idiot. He didn't even get to his 20th birthday without being convicted for armed robbery.

He's an idiot. He's out here cutting wire. He cut some wires, drank some more beer, and then they waited again to see what was going on. The next morning, too, Connan found eight empty Michelob beer bottles near the barn. He said they weren't there before and uh you know that didn't you know nobody left bottles laying around so that was probably evidence obviously beers yeah eight beers and then some champagne yeah especially to pound if you've been in jail for a year oh god you have no tolerance it's it's lowered for sure who you drink a few beers and you're only 20 you

drink a few beers and some champagne you're gonna be drink a few beers and some champagne. You're going to be shit hammered. So Con and Brown the next day said they were just sitting here drinking and watching us. I don't know why they didn't come to my house. I went out on the porch twice that night to check the weather and I know they saw me. What if it was transportation they wanted? We had all kinds of cars and trucks up there. I guess they figured we don't have enough money for them. What is he? What is he offended? What? we don't have enough money for them. What is he offended?

What, I don't have enough money for you to rob? I don't have enough money for you to tie me up with electrical cords and shoot me in the back of the head? Come on. I got all the cars and trucks. Jesus. I got cars and trucks. I'm the guy to rob.

I'm the guy. Everybody. Cotton Brown, the guy to rob. Vote for Cotton Brown. Easiest guy to rob so vote for conan brown easiest guy to rob uh yeah he said he thinks that um you know he thought that the he was waiting for his parents to go to bed maybe he thought there was a better chance with them for some reason well so you don't rob the the the young and spry you know what i mean you go after the the easy target i think that's what it is

because i think they saw them getting out of the car. They're not old, but I mean they're older than them. They might have saw them as somebody they could roll rather easily probably and whatever. I mean he's not – by the way, Newt's not a small guy. Newt's a big rugged guy. He's a tough son of a bitch. Yeah. People don't fuck with Newt.

He fought Hitler, James. That's what I mean. He's a big World War II veteran contracting kind of guy. He's not a pussy. He's not a pushover at all, this Newt guy. So not at all. So what these two idiot Jimmys do is there's a rock garden right outside the back patio full of large chunks of petrified wood. So they take a big chunk of petrified wood and throw it through the plate glass door

leading into the kitchen, the patio door. That would be quiet. Plate glass is super quiet when you shatter it with fucking a giant rock. It's really quiet. It doesn't even, it falls and breaks more. It's just the loudest thing there is. So they apparently just break it

and bum rush right through it just to get in there real quick so and it's a small place and they so they you know it can get to them before they really know what's going on lucky they didn't lose a limb in that process no shit that's there they could have got their throats cut on that plate glass that shit is dangerous so the next obstacle to encounter is sissy sissy big fucking dog isn't she sissy's a big dalmatian and uh very protective of the home so sissy apparently starts uh you know obviously hears this and has a problem with it they the dog by the way is okay after this but apparently they knocked the dog out. Wow.

They hit the dog, I don't know if with a gun or with something, but they hit the dog on the side of the head. The dog had like a lump on its head and had a little blood on it and stuff the next day, and that would be the only way that somebody wouldn't have got bit, basically. But the dog was okay and survived. Poor little girl. But Sissy took one in the head for her trouble there. She got lumped.

So, yeah, I've never heard of that. I've never heard of knocking the dog out before. Have you ever heard of any of our stories? Then they knock the dog out. Never. They either kill the dog or let the dog out or do something. Kill the dog or open the door. That's it.

I picture him, like, holding his little paws behind its back there. Like, hit him, hit him. dog out or do something but they don't fucking the dog or open the door that's it yeah i picture him like holding his uh little paws behind its back there like hit him hit him and guy comes up you had enough pal and hit pop pop in the stomach one in the face terrible one of bastards it's the most tragic thing i've ever heard when i see it looking at that way this nice dalmatian dalmatians are uh i don't know if you know that one of the one of the most uh attacking dogs on earth. Oh, yeah. They'll bite the shit out of you.

Yeah. And it's mostly because everybody thinks, oh, firemen have them. They're lovable. Yeah. Fuck no, they're not. They're a dog. Well, firemen train them. That's the thing.

When they work for a fire department, they're trained. Those aren't just some fucking dog they picked up and some guy lets it sleep in his yard and then it comes to work. It would bite everybody and then disney found 101 of them that were really nice to make a movie out of it there you go everybody thinks they're sweet anything you make a movie of they're gonna be sweet after frazier everybody wanted a jack russell jack russell terrier and they bought mean as shit and they're they're mean they don't listen they have mine nope they're like these dogs are assholes but the one on tv

fucking stares at frazier stares at kelsey grammar on command so that must mean i gotta have one in a very funny way he's hilarious very good writer so uh they opened the door uh entered the house and ran they ran into the house ran down the hallway to the bedroom where they found uh earlene standing on the shoes she heard it and stood up and was screaming so right away she was screaming and mr brown here newt is lying on the bed still kind of like what the fuck's going on here what are you screaming about so the jimmies tell them to both to lie down face down on the bed not what you want to hear so apparently by that time uh glass told them lie down on the bed jimmy wingo had been i guess ransacking the place already

and found a shotgun and a rifle already jesus must have been kind of out in the open there. Quick work of that find. Yeah, I would say. Then Glass roots around in the guy's money in his pockets and all sorts of drawers, dresser drawers and shit like that, and found.38 caliber shells. So then he said, where's the pistol that goes with this shit? And he said, it's up in the closet. Newt told him up in the closet, up on top.

So he goes in the closet glass and he's feeling around up top while he's searching for the gun. He slices his thumb open on a saw blade that was up there. Oh, well done. Yeah, he's just reaching around for it. He's got a gun and a saw like all. What else is dangerous, Erlene? What do you got, a gun, a saw? I'm going to put some poison with the skull and crossbones on it up there.

You got some mousetraps we can load and put up there? I feel like just any kind of weaponry that I might need at some time we should put in there. Maybe like a flaming arrow that I can light quickly and fire at an oncoming enemy. There are bats and nails in it. Just jam it in the top of the closet. Let me think now. What would have worked in the big one, in WWII? I love Newt, man.

Newt's cool. So, yeah, they're in there, and they're rooting around for his shit, and they, like I said, he cuts himself. for his shit and they like i said he cuts himself and um the apparently they also found the uh earlene's purse and they emptied that out in the living room and then he looked through other rooms looking for shit and at some point they were both in separate rooms the jimmies and uh jimmy glass the idiot 20 year old yells out jimmy wingo's name and asks him what to do next hey wingo what should we do now yeah which is you know he's like he literally goes don't say my name stupid yeah like they're arguing like it's a fucking cartoon dude how dumb are these two idiots so wingo tells him to shut the fuck up then they find a bunch of liquor in

the kitchen cabinets they left all the food and stuff on the ground but they stole all the liquor they could find and they put it in the back seat of newton earlene's car at that point um so now it's it gets murky as to who said well we got to kill him now. That's the thing. No one's really sure about that. What they do is they tie them up with electrical cords and hands at the wrists and the feet, and they also gag them with T-shirts. So they stuff T-shirts into their mouth as well to gag them. So they're talking about it, and he's like, well, you said my name in there, and they kind of saw our faces.

We don't have masks on or anything we're the we're the two escapees they saw we have like jail uniforms on and shit they're probably going to put those two two and two together i would think you know so um they end up rooting around a little more and finding about eighteen hundred dollars in cash wow which in 82 is not bad yeah he's hanging on to a bunch of change yeah if you're going to escape somewhere it's you need some cash um so they they have guns liquor cash just a whole whole bunch of shit they take some clothes and um the one of uh newt's brothers says that newt always slept with a loaded gun by his side and he says I don't understand why he didn't use it which because he would didn't know what was going on yet that's why there was no

maybe he thought if I just give him what they want they'll leave and I can be here with my wife that's the thing yeah well they didn't he didn't have a loaded gun by his bed though um they had they got the rifle and the shotgun from outside the bedroom, and then he had the.38. He had the shells in the drawer and the gun up in the closet. So, I mean, who knows here. When they tied them up with electrical cords, one of the cords they used was from a clock. So they pulled that out, and now we have the time of when this happened frozen at 1.50 a.m. So that's helpful. That's really helpful.

Thanks, guys. Yeah. Very nice. So, yeah, this is crazy. and frozen at 1 50 a.m so that's helpful that's really helpful thanks guys yeah very nice so um yeah this is this is crazy and then they found other electrical cords just ripping appliances out of the wall and fucking ripping the cords out and doing all that kind of shit so um they ransacked the rest of it then they came back glass came back into the bedroom, and it doesn't seem disputed that Jimmy Glass is the one who does the shooting. Apparently, he gets onto the bed on his knees, kneels between the Browns, and without telling anything, warning or anything, puts the gun to the back of Newt Brown's head and shoots him. And obviously, it's loud and bloody. And Earlene begins to freak out a little bit here, obviously.

And then he turns and shoots her in the back of the head too, and kills them both right there on the spot. And then at one point here, he pulls the covers up to their heads, like they're sleeping sort of thing. That's it. Yeah. Tucks them in.

And that's how it went down. They take off in the 1981 Lincoln and everyone in town is fucking scared shitless now. Yeah. The next day. I mean, this is there are two escaped murderers on the loose. This is some kind of, you know, this is wild. This is like the ref has gone completely wrong. Remember the movie? The ref has really gone off the fucking rails here if dennis leary was an

actual murderer yeah dennis leary and murray have really they've just slaughtered kevin spacey and all the children that whole family was full of assholes actually they were gonna kill any family it would be that family in that movie but these people didn't seem to deserve any of this these poor people blackmailing his principal at school yeah he's blackmailing the principal the brother and sister-in-law are complete dicks the mother-in-law's horrible dennis leary says your husband's not dead he's hiding you know like i believed it and the mom's fucking around on Kevin. The whole. Yeah, they're going to therapy over at the whole. Well, not that that's bad.

But the reason why they have to go is because they're cheating on each other. And it's a disaster. So they load up finally the car with everything else they could find the rest of the liquor and they take off. Now, they end up having to abandon the car on a county road near Vivian because they got it stuck in high waters. In water? They got it stuck in the water and they couldn't get it out. What? Now, they go.

One of them said, damn, this is a boat. Jesus, look at this guy. It'll float. No, man, bigger shit than this floats in the ocean. Everybody says a Lincoln's a damn boat. Let's the ocean lincoln's a damn boat let's take it let's try it let's test it out buddy so uh once they get to wingo's sister's house this is where they end up after this they walk they abandon the car they walk to wingo's sister's house at the house uh jimmy glass begins calling himself the sundance kid and sundance and won't put his

38 down at all he holds it with him the whole time he's spinning it around like it's the old west they all sit down at breakfast and he puts it next to his plate like it's with the silverware he had like knife fork 38 like lined up in case he needed to you know cut his his bacon by shooting it i think it's a salad fork like it's a yeah just an extra salad for this is my butter knife i keep in case i get a roll going on here spin it you shot people uh point blank you are hardly a marksman sir yeah literally touching the barrel to the back of their head. You're a piece of shit. That's his own sister, or Wingo's sister will say later on, he ate breakfast and called himself Sundance the whole time.

Yeah, he was very apparently proud of this here. And now the evidence here, they search all around. One thing they find is a bunch of blood on the top shelf of the closet from slicing yourself on a saw blade. Yeah. And that's something. Also, fingerprints on the saw as he moved it aside as well or also belonged to Glass. Right. Plenty of fingerprints from Jimmy Glass all over the fucking place in here.

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gary's wife's father is judge charles a marvin of the louisiana court of appeal for the second circuit based in shreveport so if you you're going to kill people, not the people to kill, people who are related to a fucking court of appeal judge in your state. If you get convicted of this, you're going to have to try to get free, and that's the guy you're going to have to go through. And even if he recuses himself, people know. His colleagues know who you are. People know.

His colleagues know who you are. So, yeah, they end up being buried at the Gardens of Memory Cemetery outside Minden. Tons of people here came. This was like more people than live in Dixie Inn showed up at the funeral. Just a massive funeral. They said they had they had a foot thick bed of flowers that people from people throwing the flowers in there uh dozens of wreaths and uh very much uh they were very much mourned put it that way uh they said uh one of the people at the chapel said quote we figure there was more than a thousand people there wow that's a big fucking funeral uh they said that it's the biggest funeral

they've seen in years and uh conan brown said oh this is dude's brother not his son i'm sorry conan brown jesus he said we were taught that having friends is more important than having money and he said based on all this he feels like that we're wealthy people, he said. So these are really down-to-earth people. Yeah, far. The reverend making a speech here said that this has hit the community hard. It could have been any one of us. Yeah, this is the ultimate small-town murder type shit. Yeah, they just stumbled into their backyard.

That's the only reason they got them. And you don't expect Christmas Eve going to bed that night. You don't expecting. No one's going to break in and kill us on Christmas Eve. How horrible would someone have to be to do that? You know, like Jesus Christ. So, you know, they said they're generous people. The size of the funeral shows you that. So back at the office, one of the girls that works there says, this is just a peaceful little community. We didn't even lock the doors to the office until this happened i used to work late by myself at night sometimes but a few

days ago i was in here by myself at 4 30 in the afternoon and i had to leave i just couldn't stay here alone just the feeling yeah yeah they're still on the loose too who knows you know they're gonna come back this is it's right next door to the house that this happened. It's like you're on the same property. He said, I, she said, I still expect Mr. Brown to walk by.

I can't believe he's gone. And now Gary, the son said that they're going to keep the, the company going with his younger brother, Dennis. And, uh, he says the only thing we know,

they can't figure out why they were killed. Why would they kill them? And Conan Brown says, the only thing we can figure out is that the killers why would they kill them and conan brown says the only thing we can figure out is that the killers were liquored up but any way you figure it it just doesn't make any sense he'd have given them anything they wanted that's the kind of fella he was he and his son gary too they're just too good for their own good yeah that's a way to put them because they were they were made and they know yeah they knew who they were yeah they they said

shit we showed up in jail uniforms and let them see us and hear our names that's probably not smart but so um really what do they think they think they're going to get away with it like they're just going to assume that it was somebody else it's two criminals just got out of prison i wonder who did this exactly And their fingerprints and blood are everywhere. Idiots. Fucking morons. And they said, uh,

Conan Brown said, quote, I'm sleeping with a rifle loaded with 16 rounds of ammunition by the bed. If I heard someone out on my porch in the middle of the night, I'm not sure what I'd do. 16 rounds. I say, make sure first,

because you have a lot of firepower there and you probably don't ever need 16 rounds in your home. Either. You're a terrible shot. If you're shooting, if someonepower there and you probably don't ever need 16 rounds in your home either you're a terrible shot if you're shooting if someone breaks in and tries to kill you you should be able to hit them with less than 16 shots in a close proximity unless he's expecting like an army or like some sort of yeah battalion to come for 16 guys are coming the whole jail broke out and they're all coming for you maybe that's a lot it just seems like a lot but i guess if you're gonna if you're doing it go go all the way so uh anyway i don't know i don't know what he's thinking so gary the son said he's disturbed by the ifs and the whys left here he's like i just don't understand it he said i want to know the

truth but i don't think i do i want to know the truth even if it's bad even if it's said i want to know the truth but i don't think i do i want to know the truth even if it's bad even if it's bloody i want to know if they came here for a reason or if they just happened on the place what's worse um neither they're both shitty they're both yeah but i mean like what for i don't know i guess if they came here on purpose then we're in danger too yeah was there a reason did they did he know this guy did he have some sort of like beef with him at least that would make sense yeah because the random thing you're just like so if they just decided to make a left instead of a right like they wouldn't wouldn't have ended up here that's much harder to process sure it is you know that's that's a lot. So he also says that, you know, he said the rest of the family is very weary. My sister nearly killed her. So the family's having a hard time with this. Obviously, the the heads of the family here. So wanted posters go up everywhere, obviously, here all over the place, including the adjacent McDonald's's restaurant i don't think they would go there i

would hope afterwards i don't think they're that stupid so um yeah they said even after they're dead the christmas wreath nobody took it down so it's still sitting up there their their bicycle built for two is still sitting out on the porch for fuck's sake that's how nice he's they had a bicycle built for two that they rode together jimmy he'd come home from building shit and memories of hitler and he'd fucking and he'd ride a two-seater with his wife like these people are fucking this is sad man anybody in my life that i'd be willing to share a bicycle with no like i don't trust your riding i don't trust i don't yeah i don't trust you not trying to throw me off it and then giggle. Yeah, right.

How do I know what you're going to do? So they said only there's a piece of plywood covering the window. Other than that, they're whatever. The son says they were just good people. That's all. So what they ended up doing is they go to Wingo's sister's house and they say, can we borrow a car? And she's like, no, you can't borrow a car. Are you out of your mind?

I'm not giving you a car. And they go, okay. And then they stole her Datsun pickup truck. They just stole it. Her green Datsun pickup truck, King Cab. They steal that on Christmas morning. This is a definite reverse gifting scenario here you don't get how this works do you you don't steal from people you give them things

no shit so then they pick up a third here by the way uh they go and pick up jimmy wingo's girlfriend gwen hill okay who joins the group why not what the fuck let's all now hang out together yeah everybody everybody needs to go so yeah they pick up him uh they pick her up i mean and here they go they're off on the run and now it's just a matter of hundreds and hundreds of tips flooding in they're seen like fucking elvis when he died like here and there and everywhere there's sightings we're talking everywhere from you know Montana to Florida to the area to all over the place there they've seen they're seen everywhere Jimmy it's it's fucking crazy huge manhunt uh they said they're repeatedly spotted in the Arc La Tex area the Louisiana Arkansas, Arkansas, Texas region. Yeah. Arc law text.

They all have that on everything. Here is the, I'll show you this. If you roll your chair, I'll turn the thing. Look at this. Here's the reward offered. Here they are. Oh, they all look like shit bags. Yeah.

They look like total scum. Jimmy Wingo and his puffy hair and his mustache. Gwen, get it to fucking gather girl. Come on, Gwen. You don't want to deal with this here.'re offering us right a ten thousand dollar reward so um not bad here for that's that's a lot back then a ten thousand dollar reward so and it was raised privately apparently from donations of friends very nice ten thousand dollars so yeah they're looking for gwen hill not for murder but for you know aiding and abetting and accomplishing and when you got two guys and a girl

together it makes your your party look more suspicious you know you stand out more than just two dudes together yeah or if you broke up in a guy and girl and the other guy goes and does his thing that's a little less suspicious so it keeps up though law enforcement agencies are searching everywhere for them because they fuck this up like this is this isn't like oh there's a suspect on the loose we have to find them there's only a suspect on the loose because you let them out of the jail yeah because you're idiots so any more bodies are on them and they know that so that has to be already yeah that has there's got to be a lot of pressure in that hmm i've already got blood on my hands from my incompetence yeah i mean fuck me you can't keep people in a jail

they're in a fucking cage dude just don't like why are you having a heart on christmas stop stop going out of your way i mean i don't know if that's the procedure or what but if you got one person then you can't watch the people who are out while you go check on a ruckus i don't think you should be letting people out. If you had enough people to watch them, go let them fucking call their parents. Great. I don't care. It's probably nice. It's better for everybody if they do that,

but not if you can't watch the rest of everything. So there's a lot of talk that they're in southern Arkansas. A lot of that going on here. They're looking all over there. They said that Texas,oma is even on alert everybody's on alert for them and the sheriff has just got just as much egg as you can imagine he's got like a six egg omelet on his face he's got a real denver right there covered there's pepper sticking out of it and all sorts of shit he can't figure it out chunks of sausage are in there

pick an egg out of his collar as he does the press conference. So two residents report spotting the escapees and especially Gwen Hill in Dodge City, Arkansas, which I didn't know there was a Dodge City, Arkansas. I've heard of Dodge City, Kansas, but not Arkansas. Yeah, that's a different one. This is so confusing. Atlanta, Texas, Dodge City, Kansas, but not Arkansas. Yeah, that's a different one. This is so confusing. Atlanta, Texas, Dodge City, Arkansas. I'm very confused.

Were they caught in Albuquerque, Louisiana? No shit. Dude, I was going to say a different one, and I'm like, no, there is like six of those. So I can't even say that. There's so many of these fucking things. It's so silly. There is like six of those, so I can't even say that. There's so many of these fucking things.

It's so silly. So Gwen Hill is described as medium brown hair, 5'4", 110 pounds, and she was spotted a couple of times. Apparently there was hundreds of calls the first couple days, and then after a few days the calls went down to about 15 a day with tips manageable about. So anyway, they're at the Wingo family house on Christmas Day, like I was telling you there. Wingo's brother-in-law now, this is his sister's husband, Frank, said that he Wingo was carrying a shotgun while Glass had a 3030 rifle and a 38 caliber pistol while he was doing his whole I'm Sundance and all that kind of shit. So they left the house in the truck and a friend of Jimmy Glass, a guy named Rocky Hall, said that they just showed up at his house, at his apartment in Little Rock. He said he was surprised to see Glass show up a couple days after Christmas and

you know, he said that he ends up facing charges for harboring a criminal later on. This guy by the way, because he stayed there. This guy says, quote, he told us he was out on bond for armed robbery and wouldn't have to go back for six or nine months. So he was like, yeah, sure, crash if you want.

He said that it was unusual that he would be carrying a rifle and a pistol while out on bond. That he thought was odd. But he said that Glass said that when he ran out of money, he could sell the guns. That's why he had them. So there's that. So he said during his stay there, Glass went to the, quote, cuts and curls, the cuts and curls beauty salon in an attempt to have his hair color changed. He went to the cuts and curls beauty salon in an attempt to have his hair color changed he went to the cuts and curls that sounds like it's for dogs yeah the cuts and curls like

you're bringing your little poodle in there and get it all fluffy ran on over to the boutique to get his hair that's amazing oh my god what color do they dye it? Well, he said that earlier before he went there, his wife, this guy's wife, had tried to dye his hair, but it didn't turn out right. He said, quote, it turned kind of an orangey red and he didn't like it. He tried to bleach it. He tried to go blonde. He was like, shit, that didn't work. He said, so he was going to get his hair bleached, but the lady told him that if he did it after he just tried he would probably fall out yeah burn his hair out yeah too much so uh he said shit god damn that is the bummer of having dark hair and trying to dye it it always turns

gold yeah you can't it's not gonna work man just keep your dark hair i saw your tips you had a no you look like you're a thing jay you look like you were waiting for a band member of sugar ray to die so you could fucking audition for it is what you look like fingers crossed it's the drummer yeah well that's what it turned out that's the funny part is you're like you wouldn't even know the difference nobody would know you wouldn't even they wouldn't even know they wouldn't even go what happened to the drummer they grew kind of a more of a beard i guess that's all they would say i died the whole fucking thing that is not good no is that what happened to your head it was it's possible no this is just this is just genetics oh this is okay i didn't mean to sound like it was like mute like is that what happened to your head man

like it's melting off of your skull that's not not what I meant. No, if Di made it bald just in the back and then like a weird shit. Just in the male pattern areas? Yeah. That's what happened to Bruce Willis then, I guess, too. Hair dying son of a bitch. In the 80s. Yeah, when he had that back there. So anyway, he's trying to do all this.

This is all going on a couple of days after Christmas. They're still on the loose. January new year's day comes out. They celebrate the new year free, uh, from January 1st through the fourth police basically pursue a shitload of dead end leads that don't go anywhere and they can't find them at all. Um,

Dodge city, Arkansas is people freaked out when they heard that they were there, possibly. And somebody in Dodge City ran into them here. Jolly's Grocery, where they were sighted on a Tuesday. A loaded shotgun was an open view with the cash register. So they kind of knew probably that wasn't the place to go, I guess, and rob anything. So just up the road there, they went to a different grocery store. And all the customers were saying that they all have their guns ready and waiting for them.

So this is just a town full of everybody holding shotguns waiting. Anyone who walks through the door, they're like, oh, identify yourself. Looking for soft avocados with a shotgun leaning against the stand. Yeah, that's what it is, man. Just strolling. One of those baskets. You know, the 10 items or less baskets in one hand and a fucking shotty in the other. Strolling along.

Oh, hi, Margaret. Waving. Waving with the shotgun. Yeah, hi. Just lifting it up. There you are. So they weren't taking any chances. Mrs. Just lifting it up. There you are. So they weren't taking any chances.

Mrs. Earlene Christian. Everyone down here is named Earlene, for Christ's sake. Mrs. Earlene Christian was scared when she walked into the grocery store. She said her home is just isn't far up the road, but she was refusing to go alone. And so she went back home and said she was waiting for her husband to come. The night before, there's a reason, because the night before, they were approached by a girl who was traveling with two guys who fit their description of Wingo and Glass. Right. And someone knocked on their door and it was a girl identifying herself as Margaret Hicks's daughter and said, could we could me and my boyfriend fill a bottle with butane? You have any extra butane?

And is that what happens in these small people? Got any butane? Hi, I'm Margaret Hicks's daughter. Do you have any butane? What a weird fucking. Huh? Say again. Imagine that. You're what? Who's what now? What do you have any butane what a weird fucking huh say again imagine that you're what who's what now and what do you need and feel this jug i want to transfer whatever butane comes in into this can you just i know it's a gas but i mean

however they bottle that shit can you just re-bottle it for me into this? Can you just break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar? Just a drop. Right here in this water bottle. Just a bit. So this woman said, Mrs. Christian said that when she left, that when her husband left the room to look for some butane, because they're nice people, she said, they have some. Yeah.

She peered out the window and realized the girl was not mrs hicks's daughter because she knows mrs hicks's daughter she goes that's not her daughter and when she told her husband he yelled through the door um uh he yelled when he told she told her husband he yelled through the door that the girl would have to come back for the butane in the morning he's she said why do you come back in the morning for the butane so they're not letting her in you got to repackage it call your mom tell her to come by come by so with the girl i guess they said jump back into the pickup truck which was a green dots and king cab and quote they tore out she said so tore on out of there they looked they showed uh photographs of the suspects to her house and she identified the

girl as gwen hill and the man in the truck as jimmy wingo so but there's no jimmy glass at this point he is gone so she said that her and her husband uh didn't sleep all that night and they said they were upset all day and she doesn doesn't know what to do because the same thing could have happened to them. Another one, Mrs. Helen Hicks, she said that they came into the store, Wingo and Hill, between 4 and 5 p.m., but she didn't recognize them until she got the paper the next morning and saw their pictures and went, holy shit, that's the people that were in here. She said they weren't in the store. They were only in the store for about five minutes, and they left driving a green Datsun pickup.

So apparently they made another trip to the store, but this time they went to a different store, Jolly's, where Mrs. Troy Jolly said she and her husband were gone at the time, but another employee identified glass as one of the men who came into the store to get change for a soda out of the machine. So that's what happened. And Wingo stood outside at that time. The guy identified him. So January 5th, 1983 in Atlanta, Texas. Okay.

I wish I had made that up. Jimmy Wingo and Gwen are there and they end up, they have the green pickup truck. They get that, and apparently they went all over Arkansas, from what I understand, and then ended up in Atlanta, Texas, where they stayed in a motel room there. in a motel room and uh there gwen stayed in a motel room and um then that's when glass borrowed the car to go to his friend's house in little rock that we talked about and then he drove back there to them with the car it's fucking ridiculous so anyway at some point the police are on to wingo and gwen and they end up chasing them through the woods of East Texas. On foot?

On foot. Wow. So Gwen and Wingo are being tracked by bloodhounds, and they're tracked into a thicket off the Texas Highway 43 south of Atlanta. They crawled in there and covered themselves with pine straw and brush so they couldn't be seen. Bury yourself, girl! Come on, put more pine straw.

The dogs can't smell through the pine straw. I don't think they know how dogs work. No, they don't. They had been spotted crossing a road and so they chased them into the woods and then the dogs found them lying fucking there. Go into the woods and then the dogs found them lying fucking there. Go into the earth. Just return to the earth.

And they just try to. Osmosis, Gwen, let's do it. So they found the main dog here. Joe, a German shepherd, worked with a female bloodhound named Camilla. And they were searching for them. The chase ended after a 10-mile hunt when Camilla and Joe tracked them into a dense undergrowth near a small creek. They gave up without resistance at that point because, you know, they're fucking dogs. They don't want to get bit.

They were in the bushes there. This dog was also, Joe was instrumental in the September 81 capture of Danny Goodson, later convicted of raping a Highland woman. No shit. This dog's catching schmucks all over the place, catching shit bags left and right. Apparently, yeah, they had the guy volunteered with his dog here, the handler, to work with Shreveport in investigating a series of Highland rapes there. And yeah, so anyway they got they got him here uh wingo's girlfriend here arrested along with him waves extradition and she's transferred to the spring hill city jail about 4 30 p.m uh she is charged with aiding and

abetting a felon and with assisting and escape and harboring a known fugitive as well obviously yeah the charges are all misdemeanors uh they carry a maximum of one year in jail and a two thousand dollar fine so really not that bad actually yeah not terrible um they said from her hometown the the sheriff there said she lives here in the vehicle the dots and picked up a pickup belong to those relatives, which isn't true though. That was, uh, the sister of the,

one of the guys, not her sister, glass, right? Uh, sister of Wingo, uh, Deborah Wingo,

I think her pickup, he, and, they said that when, when Jimmy Wingo have a kid together for Christ's sake, they have a fucking kid together, these two. I don't know where the kid is while they're running around as fugitives, but they have a history.

That's why he went and picked her up. This isn't like, that's my girlfriend, whatever. These two have been together a long time here. So apparently they were, everybody they had watching the house, they were waiting for them to come back and retrieve the child, they said watching the house. They were waiting for them to come back and retrieve the child, they said the relatives. They were like, they just left the kid here and said they'll be back eventually.

And when they didn't return, they heard that they got arrested. So they were like, I guess they're not coming back for the kid. Gwen ends up getting out and taking care of the kid here, but Wingo is up for double murder, so not quite there. They said that they'd been camping in the woods and moving their campsite daily to avoid arrest.

They never took shelter in a building, despite the cold, rainy weather also. Wow. They've just been camping. Hole it up out in the woods. In the woods in the winter, in the rain. It's cold in North Texas in the winter. It's fucking cold there um now a friend of his that mechanic guy that the guy he knew from when he was a mechanic

he said that wing goes quote an awfully good mechanic and had to be an awfully good outdoorsman to survive in the woods while uh getting away from those cops he is yeah it'd have to be now he searched and when they search him they find a pair of gloves in his possession which matched the fabric print made by a glove uh on a ransacked dresser drawer on the home and he made a this is great when they talked to him they told him listen we have fingerprints and they said you don't know he said this to the cops quote you don't have my fingerprints i always wear gloves when i commit a crime that's what he said this fucking guy yeah said i always wear gloves when i commit a crime that's where we are right here this is a former police officer by the way

this is fucking wild dummy and a fiber found on on his pants are on the pants left by him at the winnington's home which was another people they stayed at matched the fiber of a blanket on the brown's bed where the bodies were found as well so there's that um yeah um that's amazing though he said the cop said he told us we'd never find any evidence at the scene of a crime he'd been at because he'd been a police officer and he knows to wear gloves when he commits his crimes. Doesn't know not to tell you. Yeah. That he commits the crimes, though. Now, 10 hours later, after they catch these two fucking morons, John, January 6th, 1983, in San Diego, California.

Stop this. At the San Diego San Diego, California. Stop this. At the San Diego International Airport, Jimmy Glass is arrested. Where the fuck was he going? He was going to get out of town? He took a bus all the way to Ventura Beach, and then from there he went to San Diego where he went to the fucking airport.

Yeah, he was going to go fly somewhere. He was going to try to get out. Back then you could use a fake name on a plane ticket, but apparently he got recognized because it's like a nationwide manhunt by now probably some probably some flyers there probably a couple of flyers yeah the fbi's got to be involved by now doing all this inner fucking state bullshit here so um he uh anyway they're both arrested for first degree murder so that's good. Apparently, when they got Glass, the deputy asked him three times, quote, Why'd y'all have to kill them?

By the way, that is from a guy named Buster Flowers. That's the detective Buster Flowers. He said the first two times he asked him, Glass would not say anything. He just stared at the floor. And the third time he said, quote, Wingo made me kill them. That's what he said then. Wingo made me kill them. Now, Wingo's got a story as well. He said, listen, we split up after we escaped from jail.

We weren't together. Wingo says that Glass wanted to steal a car. And Wingo said, quote, I didn't want any part of that. I mean, you know, shit, I'm already a felon. I can't be stealing cars. And he said it was a cold night and it was rainy. And Wingo, he said he was trying to hitch a ride. And as he's trying to hitch a ride, here comes Glass driving up in a Lincoln Continental.

Look at me. This is fortuitous. Wingo says, quote, he laughed and asked me about wanting to ride so he said of course he said you know get on there later on though we'll have a fingerprint that shows that wingo was the one driving the continental knock last his his prints are on the wheel and on all like the the mirrors and everything you adjust when you're driving yeah the driver's like seat where you pull it up with a you know handle everything meanwhile he said uh he truly believes he was going to get away with it with that story because he doesn't think he left anything behind because

he's such a genius a criminal genius who always wears gloves and tells you that so um now before they separated for good wingo said that glass gave him shotgun, and he said that he didn't know about the murder until he saw it on television. He said, he just gave me a shotgun, and I said, I went on my merry way. He said, I was at a hotel motel. Let's be realistic here. I was at not even a motel, a motel. That's a really like four O's. I was at a resort down there in fucking Atlanta. It's not even a motel. A motel. Like, that's a really, like, four O's. I was at a resort down there in fucking Atlanta.

It's not even a motel. It's a mootel. A mootel in Atlanta, Texas. Right. And he said, I didn't even know about the killings until I was in a motel in Atlanta, Texas. And a newscast described him and I as suspects. I was shocked. I was appalled.

Frankly, I was embarrassed about the whole thing. I as suspects. I was shocked. I was appalled. Frankly, I was embarrassed about the whole thing. I would never. So this is going to ruin my reputation. This is ridiculous. I'm running for office again next year.

He said, then Wingo said, I can't say for sure that Glass did it, but I know I didn't. So he's like, I wasn't with him, so it could have been anything.

He said that he figured the shotgun might have been the murder weapon, so he buried it in the woods. Doesn't know where it is, just buried it in the woods. And so they're calling the evidence against Wingo, his lawyer, saying it's highly circumstantial and not really linking him much. The only evidence linking him to the scene is a fiber that an expert said could have come from a blanket inside the brown's house the fiber could have been transferred to wingo's clothing from glass too if they're in the same car so the argument here is uh you know wingo there's not a lot of evidence his blood and fingerprints aren't all over the fucking house excellent point they're only in the car you know what i mean which is a totally different scene

excellent point they're only in the car you know what i mean which is a totally different scene so wingo said that he was hiding with glass in a storage room at the home but then he split after that because he learned that uh he was gonna glass was gonna burglarize the place he said i took the ride that's where we went we're in the thing we're drinking beers and then he said i'm gonna bust into this place and he's like oh i'm taking off man take it easy i'm just trying to have a good time. Jesus, take it easy. I'm just in for burglary. You want to burgle things.

This is wrong. I'm trying to have a good time. It's Christmas Eve, man. Just trying to get down and party. Trying to get a buzz over here. So they said that a fiber found on his jeans, like we said, just matches the blanket. That's all they got. One of the cops here, this is Buster Flowers. He said that when he went to San Diego to pick up Glass, he told Glass that there was charges and evidence against him.

And he also told him that Wingo said, hey, listen, he's telling us it's all you. He's saying that, you know, he took off and you went in the house and he didn't want any part of it. He's saying that he took off and you went in the house and he didn't want any part of it. And Wingo then told them that he said that Wingo told them that Glass made them. He even said it was your idea to break out of jail. Yeah. So Wingo told us. He said it's your idea to break out of jail, your idea to burglarize the place. He wasn't around, but it must have been your idea to kill them because you were the one who did it.

That's what he's telling us. He said that he left the house and uh started hitchhiking and wingo told the police that uh you know you showed up when you had guns and all this stuff and glass said that was a lie and that wingo drove the car off so he you know he's an idiot and he fucking admits to a lot of shit there so uh newt's 73 year old brother edgar brown oh no edgar uh here he listened to this this is right from a newspaper talking about edgar quote while talking about the arrest of wingo and glass brown wearing tough skins overalls a dayton tires cap and thick glasses could not stop harshly criticizing sheriff Ross McCahan and his department. Oh, you got a good old boy when you have this guy is hilarious. Edgar Brown celebrated the

arrest of Wingo and glass with a cup of coffee at hamburger happiness, a local cafe. This guy is hilarious. Quote the craggy 73 year old craggy right in the paper doesn't even try to hide the rage he feels from the murder of his younger brother and sister-in-law his friends earl and travis gray didn't try to balance the conversation they are angry angry at the sheriff's department angry at the legal system angry at fate which took the couple from them but left no reason um wow brown says quote they say they broke out but when the key is turned they didn't really break out did they yeah they got anything they walked out they went down an elevator and strolled out like they weren't we're in pain a parking ticket in the fucking courthouse he said later uh later that morning

the sheriff said quote there's no question about how it happened. I haven't tried to dodge that issue at all. The jailer made a human error, I would say. And he said, this is the sheriff. I'm in charge, and I'm the one who will naturally take the blame. He said it was a mistake to let the men out to make phone calls, and it was a tragedy that they escaped, obviously. And Brown, what do you think brown thinks about that the brother you think he's happy with that i can't wait that's good enough it's good enough

good job thumbs up thanks for acknowledging it he's talking uh they said quote as brown talked thursday morning he gazed across us 80 to a house where residents once kept pet lions that's crazy. And he said, quote, that's what I'd like to do with those boys. Take them over there and feed them to those lions. Jesus, he wants to feed them to the lions. That's a different execution. Why does your neighbor have lions? Stop this.

Why is there lions? Yeah, this isn't, no, we're not there. I was going to say, this isn't Utah where that one guy had a lion that we know of. I don't know what's going on here. Why does everybody know? Yeah, I'm going to go, this isn't Utah where that one guy had a lion that we know of. I don't know what's going on here. Why does everybody know? Yeah, I'm going to go feed them to those lions. Are they still there even though the people aren't? Are they free now?

That's dangerous. So the sheriff is the butt of all the jokes. And the friend, Travis Gray, said, quote, hell, if they'd stayed in Webster, Paris, they'd have never caught them. So we're lucky they left. That's the only way they got caught. Competent police officers went after him. He said, quote, I don't think they ought to have a damn trial. He gestured toward a telephone pole outside.

They ought to take them to that pole and hang them. String them up. Jesus. String them up. Yeah, it's crazy. So friends here, one of the friends a guy named jc smith worked with newt brown for 10 years um he uh he said that uh he's very angry as well and uh he said the cops stink and this just shows that's what he said they stink at one point yeah and he

said this just magnifies all the other fuck-ups they've had over the years with these fucking cops they always were were shitty but now it's obvious he said this is from the article quote they rekindled old bitter memories of times when the sheriff's department seems slow in coming to a cafe to kick out a drunk or to a local person's home to take care of a mean dog. For them, the sheriff's department shares the blame for the murders. There's no reason why these people should be dead, he says. Absolutely right.

I'll tell you something else. I keep looking up there to see Arlene. She was just like a little bug, always in fast motion. So there you go. They're pissed at the cops. They're mad they miss Arlene. So what are the cops' excuses for this? What is it?

You can only say I'll take responsibility so much. And a district attorney here, he acknowledged that fingers have been pointed at the sheriff department. I get it. Fingers have been pointed. He said, I get that that department's kind of you know on the hot seat he said though he was assured that safeguards will be set up in the parish jail but warned there's always a way for prisoners to escape if you plug in a little human error that's their talking point human error human error can happen to anybody he said the two officers in charge of the jail there was two

officers there by the way. Jesus. He said that he called them, quote, excellent officers. Nope. You. Okay. You can't say that. You can't drive into a wall and go, excellent driver. The guy is.

You can't say the opposite of what they've just proven and then go, I've said that. So that means it's true because it's so opposite of what you see with your eyes. So that must mean you believe it. That's what people do when they lie like this, like public figures like this. See that thing you're looking at? That's not actually that thing. It's actually the opposite of that thing. That's why you see the opposite because you don't see it.

I do. It's fucking insane. It's in your head. It's in your head. You can't say that after guys let fugitives out and people are dead. You're not a good officer anymore absolutely it's it's insanity one of the one of the uh townspeople said the whole community is in anguish over the deaths of the browns it wouldn't have mattered even if they had been terrible people it would still have been tragic but these were good people even if they sucked

i mean you can't just kill them and um he, I don't understand why they had to kill them. I just can't understand. That's what everybody says. So the sheriff, he said that he was happy they were caught when they were caught, obviously, because any more bodies are on him. He was told and he said, quote, well, good. That's what he said. And he said after that, he said, I'm walking on air because they were caught um he said quote i've got to be ready uh we've concentrated in this area for three days and nights and uh because of the positive sightings we had reason to believe

that they were here even though they were 2 000 miles away because you don't pay attention this guy said he spent quote every this is the sheriff every waking minute since christmas on this case except for the four hours a night i slept sometimes that's it he says that uh you know he's ready now they're back in the county jail and you know it's going to be okay they're going to add all the first degree murder aggravated burglary armed robbery auto theft add it all up and he says that, quote, it could be, you know, he said it's going to be perfectly fine. This time we'll keep him in jail, I promise.

So April 83 is Jimmy Glass' trial. It's moved to Lafayette due to publicity because this area. I mean, people would kill them. They'd rip them limb from limb walking into the courtroom. They'd Lee Harvey them on the way in, for sure. Absolutely. them they'd rip them limb from limb walking into the courtroom they'd leave hard on the way in for sure absolutely so uh glass's lawyer apparently uh has to recuse himself he says quote i'm close friends with two of the brothers of the deceased so can't do that uh two of newt's brothers he's he's close with he said it would hamper my ability to give the vigorous defense of a man charged with the murder would need because uh these are death penalty cases by the way

these are murder in the course of robberies in louisiana they uh he gets a uh jimmy glass gets a psychiatrist to examine him because he's talking about uh pleading guilty by or not guilty by pleasing the reason of insanity he's trying to trying to figure out how to do this here so uh a guy dr turner he examines him and he conducts a psychiatric interview with him he questions him about um intellectual functioning past history all that kind of sort of normal shit here and he diagnoses him with an anti-social personality disorder but he says that he's not suffering from any type of mental disease or defect which would have prevented him from knowing the difference between right and wrong he's just a dick yeah he's just the worst he's just kind of an asshole and that's all there is to it um evidence in the case there's ballistics evidence

of the you know guns that he had fingerprints on or the guns that fucking shot these people uh fingerprints in the house blood stains he's had items belonging to the browns in his possession can't do that glass has got they got it all um he says he wants to change his plea from innocent to innocent by reason of insanity he thinks that's going to work better. So, my God, the prosecutor. That's a reach. That's a big reach, I would say. Prosecutor obviously tells the jury that he thinks he's the fucking Sundance kid over here. He's walking around with his gun, twirling it and everything.

And you got to show him what the fuck's up. And they talk about how they got there, followed the railroad tracks, knelt down, blew their brains out. He says, the prosecutor, can you imagine how Mr. Brown felt as the explosion sends a bullet singeing through his brain and then imagine Mrs. Brown next to him as she first felt the barrel of the gun

next to her head and the explosion and the death. Jesus Christ, they're getting deep here. So they said the gun had been placed physically on the backs of their heads when they were shot. They testified all the guns he had around the house, and one of them was a.38 that matches up. Like we said, the criminologists come in,

fingerprints, blood matching, fingerprints to everybody on everything for glass. Glass is really on the scene. The seriologist testified the blood in the closet came from Glass. There's a lot here. Now, the defense opening, they have a whole different thing here. They said that they never contended that Glass didn't kill the Browns. That's their defense.

We're not going to say he didn't do it, but we're going to say this. He was forced to do it. Forced. He said after he called out Wingo's name during the robbery, Wingo made him shoot them, put a shotgun to his head, and said, you do it right now or else I'm going to blow your brains out. That's what he said. He said that Glass yelled, Wingo, let's get out of here. And because of that, they heard his name.

They had to be killed. That's it right there. Not like they couldn't have put two and two together who they were without the name. Yeah, they were going to figure it out here in a couple hours. No shit. Now, Glass said he told Wingo, man, you've got to be crazy. Let's don't do this. Let's don't do this. Let's don't do this.

And they said that Wingo told Glass, quote, either two people would be left dead or three. You pick, motherfucker. You're going to be the third. It's on you. Yeah. If you don't kill them, I'll splatter your brains all over this room. Wow. Wow.

Very colorful. He said that he acted only in fear for his life and was genuinely sorry for what had occurred. He had to do it. It was him or them. I mean, that's the way it was. Quote, he said it would have been better if he had let Jimmy Wingo kill him. Jimmy Glass is a victim here, too. They actually said in court, Jimmy Glass is a victim here, too. Imagine that if you're the juror. He broke out of jail, went with a guy.

You wouldn't be able to wait to convict this fucking guy if he said that they tried to say he's a victim here. This is amazing. I guess, as a defense attorney, this is your job. This is why you passed the law. You have to do it. Yeah, you have to do it and kind of look like, are you buying any of this? Anybody? This is wild what I'm saying right now.

Jimmy Glass testifies. He testifies that Wingo poked him in the back of the head with the shotgun barrel. Gave him like a, wow. And he told him that he was going to kill him or, like I said, splatter the brains all over the place. He said that Wingo kept the shotgun at his neck or back the whole time he did it. So, I mean, he had no choice. He couldn't even turn around and used it on Wingo because the gun was to the back of his head the whole time. He couldn't even have saved these two people if he wanted to, which he obviously did.

Oh, yeah. Clearly. Yeah. He did. Oh, yeah. Clearly. Yeah. He said he put his knee on the foot of the bed, more on the man's side, bent over, closed his eyes, and pulled the trigger.

Couldn't even watch. He said as the woman raised her head and started to scream, he pointed the gun, closed his eyes, and pulled the trigger again. And he said that before leaving the room, he pulled the covers up to their heads because he felt bad to cover him up there. You don't want to get chilly. They're chilly. Get him an Afghan. So he testifies that while Wingo was tying up the Browns, he inadvertently said his name. He gives all testimony.

And that was when the brain and all that shit comes. So the verdict comes in here and uh first degree murder is the charge and they find uh glass guilty of two counts of first degree murder besides the fact that he says he's mentally ill and was completely forced into it so shocking that uh all of his physical evidence and everything they would override that over his bullshit story. Over a claim. He's never. What has he done truthful in his life so far? He's a fucking.

So far nothing. Ne'er-do-well dipshit. He's in for armed robbery at 19. So sentencing comes around. And there's people who testify on his behalf. His family. Sure. Please save him.

His mother comes in. behalf his family sure please save him his mother comes in his mother testifies that he's been subjected to a quote very stressful childhood he's been he's been working on wall street since he was 13 it's been very stressful he's he's ready to retire it's just he's got an ulcer month end of the car dealership the man's got a he's got to move him he's got to move mazdas and they're not the man's got a quota you know kia doesn't take any prisoners let's just say that you gotta fucking hit your quota your dad you're out that's it very stressful childhood so taking that into account and obviously the fact that he's probably innocent based on his own you you know, what he said. Obviously, it's silly. The jury has the option of life or death here, and they choose you, sir, may fuck off. Death in the electric chair.

Oh, my. Death in the electric chair for him. And he is sent to death row at Angola, which is a six-by-nine cell. Dear Lord, he went to Angola. Where's Angola at? In Louisiana.x9 cell. Dear Lord, he went to Angola. Where's Angola at? In Louisiana. Is that in Louisiana?

Yeah, absolutely. He goes to Louisiana, goes to Angola, where he's in Louisiana, goes to Angola, and he's in a 6x9 cell to await electrocution, which is, whew, that's deep. So then it comes up, September 1983 what gwen is up to here when by the way is being told she's got to testify um she testified against glass she is living with wingo's sister in spring hill and their child so jimmy wingo's trial comes around during the jury selection process several jurors were asked to be excused for a bunch of reasons okay as they always are my favorite a man asked to be

excused because he's a chain smoker and you're not allowed to smoke in the courtroom and he said if i can't smoke you don't want you don't want me not doing it and the judge said no you you can't do that you have to do it if we tell you to um the judge is a retired lake charles judge appointed to preside that you're over the trial for some reason they got a retired judge in there and um yeah he also denied uh with an apology the request of a woman who said she couldn't serve on the jury because she needed to sew a dress for her granddaughter who's going to be in a wedding. They were like, you can't do that. Sorry.

So the case against Wingo, not so cut and dry. That's the problem here. A little more dicey. They have no physical evidence. There's no fingerprints to place him in the house at all. There's no physical evidence besides that one fiber that could easily be explained by being in the same car with the other guy. There's nothing else here that ties him to it. They've got to go through with it.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he was definitely there and all that kind of shit. And to me, the thing that makes the most sense is you called his name. You both went, oh, fuck. And now you decided that you had to kill him. I mean, that's,

and also we have to figure out how drunk they were is another problem. So the district attorney here, he prosecuted both of them by the way, separately. Uh, he says, and he said this in the glass trial as well. And in this trial,

he says that Wingo is the dominant partner in the slay. He's that he says, because he's older. He's, he's bigger too. He's six footaying. He's that. He says because he's older. He's he's bigger, too. He's six foot one. He's 200 pounds. He's not you know, he's not a kid. He's the he was a cop.

I know what I'm doing. Follow me. Right. That sort of shit. He's good. He's good with weapons. He's he's the guy. He said, you know, fingerprint evidence showed that he was driving.

They both, you know, they're talking about all this shit. Will Glass testify against him is the big deal now. Is he going to testify against him from death row? They do subpoena him, but he doesn't have to testify, obviously. So they said the bulk of the state's case hangs on the testimony of Jimmy Glass. You know, he's got nothing to lose, too. It's very easy for the defense to go, well, he's sitting on death row. Maybe he wants company.

What the fuck do we listen to him for? So they said he's subpoenaed and will be transported from death row to Lafayette for the trial. But whether he will testify, we don't know. Because he doesn't have to. He can just take the fifth or tell him to fuck. What are you going to do? Put me in contempt? I'm on death row.

Fuck your mother. I don't care. You can't do anything to me. You can do nothing to me. Kill me worse than the electric chair? What other fucking medieval torture device are you going to come up with? You're literally torturing me to death. I think I'm fine.

So the attorney for Glass said that he'll advise his client. He said it's Glass's decision. There's no way they can make him do it because he can refuse to testify and they can only hold him in contempt. Exactly what he said. It goes against the convict code to testify against a code defendant. So he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. He's not going to do that. Maybe he said he will have he will have something to say, though, is what his lawyer says.

So Glass ultimately decides not to testify. He says he doesn't want to do it he says that uh he admitted killing the couple but he did it under you know he only did it because of wingo but he refused to testify to that because he said quote during my trial i got up on the stand and i told my story and the district attorney called me a liar then they turn around and expect me to help convict wingo and send him to death row with the exact same story fuck you which is the most great point the least stupid thing these two have ever done in their lives either one of them that's a great point so my story was bullshit when i said it but when it can fuck somebody else now it's true now all of a sudden it holds weight yeah i had now i had nothing to do with it well let's go back to my trial and you can believe me there then so gwen um is uh jesus christ she is accusing she's being accused of lying in order to protect herself she testified

that she accompanied wingo and glass when they left wingo's sister's home she said she didn't know wingo was going to escape and she was shocked to see them at the house. She said she didn't learn of the murders until she and Wingo checked into a motel in Atlanta, Texas, and she heard about it on the 10 p.m. news and they both act shocked about it. He didn't. He acted like he didn't know. attorney, Glenn Armstrong, asked if she had been told she would be helped if she testified against Glass. And she isn't charged with anything. They dismissed all the charges against her. So it kind of seems like, you know, maybe it wasn't set out right, but it was definitely presumed. She her cooperation, she was told by a sheriff that her cooperation would help with the charges she faces in texas for harboring fugitive as well um she has been staying they put it quote hill has been staying at the webster parish jail for the past three months as a material witness

staying like she's like to leave yeah she's got they got her in a nice like efficiency suite it's got a fridge and a little stove and you know it's nice it's not too big it's like to leave yeah she's got they got her in a nice like efficiency suite it's got a fridge and a little stove and you know it's nice it's not too big it's easy to keep clean you bring your commissary there and cook if you need it's like a residence in basically they got her and i feel like that's what's in my head so uh she said she was telling the truth during her testimony and um yeah she's going to be the main fucking you know witness against him here now the theory that they're putting forth is the exact opposite theory that the exact same da put forth in the other death penalty case he said wingo's the dominant figure in the twosome nothing

that was done that night without his approval and participation he says he's a former policeman a large man he initiated the jailbreak because he'd been denied a visit from Gwen Hill when his sister's husband failed to bring Hill from Vivian to Minden on the previous day. Jimmy Glass was a small man, only 20 years old. They said Wingo's participation in the attack in the Brown bedroom is quite clear. Newton Brown was a large, active man active man 55 years old with a pistol in his closet so someone had to come in and take charge of that situation and they're saying it isn't this fucking guy over here 20 year old uh five foot six was he uh five foot eight 145 pound guy he said it's the guy who was used to be a cop who knows how to yell we're not like that

yeah uh they said a very protective dalmatian dog was in the bedroom brown's body had wounds on his elbow and abrasions on his knuckles so they never mentioned it but there was a fight that took place here yeah there was a fucking fight and he fought back brown has he's got abrasions on his knuckles which means he he gave some too yeah To subdue him and ward off the dog, they said that and tie the victims was way more than just glass on his own could have accomplished. That's a load of shit that Wingo said he never went in the house. This guy couldn't have done all that that way. I mean, if he's got tying them up, then the dog's going to bite him and vice versa. It's not going to work.

Well, they wouldn't bite him, but they'd probably shoot him. So they said after the murders,o remained the dominant figure he drove the brown car to vivian not to glass's desired destination he arrived at his sister's home announcing he was going to kill frank whitney uh whittington and had to be dissuaded by gwen hill he was going to kill his sister's boyfriend but decided against against it. Gwen Hill was like, we've done it. We've had enough bloodshed. So he left the sister's house saying his last words were that he would not be taken alive by not going to be taken alive. See you later. Bye. Bye, kids. Not going to be taken alive. Good to see you. Thanks so much for dinner. No,

it was delicious. No, stop. It was delicious. It wasn't overcooked at all. Thank you. Not going to be taken alive. Good to see you, guys. Good to see you. Thanks so much for dinner. No, it was delicious. No, stop. It was delicious. It wasn't overcooked at all. Thank you. Not going to be taken alive. Have a good one, everybody. Good night.

You got it. You fucking, this is amazing. These two are fucking dipshits. Can I borrow your car? No, I'm not going to be taken alive. No, not going to be taken alive. See ya. I'm going to take your car, and I'm not going to be taken alive. No, I'm not going to be taken alive. See ya. Take your car and I'm not going to be taken alive.

I understand. Did I just, did you hear me? Not going to be taken alive, which means I'm doing whatever I want. Kill me if you want to stop me. So the verdict comes in for first degree murder. His story is never even in the house. I took off. My fingerprints aren't there.

No physical evidence. It's all the other guy. The jury says, I don't think so. Guilty of first degree murder. Don't care. Sentencing comes around. Wingo here. Jimmy Wingo.

He begs for his life. He pleads for his life. He gets on the stand. Denying that he killed the Browns. Denying that he forced Glass to kill them. He said he has no knowledge that the Browns, had no knowledge they would be killed, had no intention of killing them.

They asked why he wanted to live, and he said, I want to live because my family's been through enough. During the cross-examination, he admitted he committed at least two of the burglaries for which he'd been arrested before the escape. So he's like, yeah, sure. I was a bad guy. I'm not perfect.

The guy also introduced photographs of one house that had been burglarized. The photos show the house ransacked, dishes broken, drawers dumped out, much the way the Browns. It looked like an exact replica of the Browns' house. This is what you do when you break into one. Yeah, that's his MO. That's his whole little pattern. house so this is what you do when you break in yeah that's his mo uh that's his whole little pattern they said that wingo claimed he was non-violent on the stand there but then they said that that's funny because you have threatened fights with deputies on two different occasions

since you've been in court you've threatened fucking yeah now like while you're in the holding cell you've threatened fights with two different deputies. That doesn't sound very nonviolent. They also got in parts of his prior statements to police where he said that he knew not to leave Prince and that he always wears gloves and that he said, quote, he didn't like anyone who has more than I do. It was another quote he put. That's what he didn't like. So Wingo said he's got two young sons, one of them nine-year-old Jason, pled for his father's life in front of the jury, and his nine-year-old come in there and say, quote,

I don't want my daddy to die. Jesus, trying to twist the heartstrings there, pluck them. Two character witnesses for Wingo were Oil City elected officials. Mayor Charles Dicie said he knew imagine you're the mayor and you're gonna get up on stand and go no he's a good guy chuck dick is gonna do this this is chuck dick is gonna do this shit uh he says he'd known wingo all his life and hired him as a police officer uh at the time and the police chief said that wingo had run against him in the 76 election but he's a good guy yeah so i kicked his ass i can throw him a bone both officials said they knew wingo worked

for them because he had put in 18 months of public service as a requirement for military amnesty so that's what i don't know what the deal i don't know what they i guess to out of the draft back then because you could still be drafted in Vietnam up to like 74. So both said they consider Wingo a nonviolent person. These are upstanding police officers. In their experience, right. In their experience. And they haven't killed me or my family.

Wingo's sister, Betty, testified that her brother was nonviolent. But the district attorney questioned her about her testimony at a previous hearing where she told the jury that he wanted to kill her husband and she had to be talked out of it. Right. And that she only let Wingo take the truck from her house because quote, he held a gun on her, on his own sister. He was going to kill me.

Nonviolent, very nonviolent though. They read her, her statements and she's like, well, I mean, he didn't shoot me. I mean, you know, that's sure the gun was pointed, but I don't even know if it was loaded.

I have no idea. I mean, yeah, he threatened me. He may have pistol whipped me. Look, I'm not going to get into details of the thing. But he also said that he wouldn't be taken alive. And look, he's sitting right there. There he is. So things happen.

Another one, a Catholic priest comes in. There he is. So things happen. Another one, a Catholic priest comes in. Catholic priest comes in and tells the jury that Wingo believes in God and everything else. And, you know, he's doing great now and all that sort of shit. Another preacher here, this Catholic guy, I think, he says that Wingo should be allowed to live and then quoted scripture. Thy will, not my will. Thy will, not my will be done.

I think a good choice would be to let him live. That's what he said. So, there you go. In rebuttal, the DA told jurors that, quote, he keeps telling you that you have choices. Wingo had choices too. That's what the case is all about. Choices and chances. How many chances do you get? How many choices do you get? He's had choices too. That's what the case is all about. Choices and chances.

How many chances do you get? How many choices do you get? He's had choices and he's had chances. Well, that's a lot of fucking choices and chances. We can't afford any more chances for Jimmy Wingo. So it's a nine woman, three man jury. And they go into deliberation here on guilt or innocence. And he is,

uh, found guilty of first degree murder here. So they don't buy any of his bullshit at all about not being there. He does. Also, there's 10 defense motions for a mistrial right at the end of the trial for a multitude of stupid reasons. So, um,

anyway, uh, he comes in and sentencing on him uh you sir may fuck off death penalty for you as well oh wow electric chair for you electric chair for everybody uh he's handing out electric chairs like santa's handing out fucking you know playstation games over here, just doling them, nothing. So the next year, right after all that is Christmas of 83, and Gary Brown, the son, says that he spends more of his time wondering why his parents were singled out for murder, but he said, quote, there's not an answer for that.

I'm sure we'll ask ourselves why, because our parents were kind and gentle people. Violence was the last thing on their minds. There was never any thing on their minds. There was never any violence in their lives. And why these people, you know, I draw a blank every time I think about it. There's no answer for it. They said they're getting on.

He said time heals. It's a year later. It doesn't heal completely. There's going to be a void there always. It's going to bring back memories of what happened to our parents to what degree the joy of christmas overwhelms that we don't know yet i'm sure we'll still enjoy christmas but i'm sure we'll still every year i know i'm more conscious of it now than i was just a month ago because it's the christmas season yeah much better man than i am yeah they destroyed christmas forever

that's a no christmas is canceled not happening uh good news the webster parish jail is fortified at this point oh that he spent fifteen thousand dollars upgrading the jail security uh quote we're operating a 1950s model jail with 80s model prisoners it was what the sheriff said now he's trying to blame the equipment. There's a funny thing that Gordon Ramsey says in his master class thing when he's teaching somebody. And he goes, or no, it's not the it's one of those shows he does where he's teaching somebody to cook and somebody fuck something up. And he goes, well, this ring, I couldn't figure it out. And he just goes, don't blame the equipment. That's his whole.

Don't blame the equipment. That's never the equipment's fault. It's your fault. So this guy's blaming the equipment's fault it's your fault so this guy's blaming the equipment essentially here the egg timer yeah don't blame the fucking jail it had bars and locks you just didn't operate them don't act like it was some so they're acting like it was some sort of failure of technology that they got out rather than the fact that guys went hold on a minute while you talk to your mom i'm gonna go back in the cell you guys stay put i heard you'll stay put right yeah you'll hang tight right okay i can trust you so um he ended this guy by the way

the sheriff easily won re-election as well is that right that is fucking amazing then he says quote the public didn't hold me responsible but i'm in charge and i've got to take the rap wow um the browns on the other hand have a different uh view on it they have a 1.7 million dollar wrongful debt suit seeking damages for the debts of their parents burial expenses expert witness fees and court costs named as defendants are wingo glass the sheriff and two of his deputies and two of the companies uh which insure the sheriff's department. They're fucking suing everybody. Rightfully so.

They should. Wingo and Glass were the last prisoners to escape from the Webster County Jail or the Webster Parish Jail. They've installed five new surveillance cameras in the cell blocks, placed a camera in the jail elevator and installed a device to halt the elevator in the event of an emergency. They also placed phone jacks in the cells to allow telephone calls, phones to be brought in and make phone calls from there. None of those things say we kept deputies from unlocking a door and letting people out because none of those things stop that. No. None of them stop that. Except for letting them make the phone calls in the cell rather than letting them out to do it.

Also, it doesn't sound like they are not admitting guilt. It sounds like they are saying, we fucked up and we're going to do all this to try to curb it. It doesn't happen again. Yeah. So Glass is appealing. The death penalty comes up pretty quick. There's some appeals. But this all happened in 83. By 87, they're ready to execute him.

It's not 20 years in here. I'll bet you this is when Harry Connick's dad is there. They were fucking, there was like a revolving door, turn and burn, man. They were cranking it up. Wait till you hear how many they're doing. At one point, you'll hear in a second so uh the u.s supreme court rejected the appeal glasses appeal without comment his last appeal the high court also refused to stop it the fifth u.s circuit court of appeals rejected glasses appeal and uh the governor refused said he would refuse to stop

any execution unless he gets new evidence that the person is innocent. So the only authorized method of execution for Louisiana is the electric chair. Glass and his lawyers had argued, and this is like kind of turned into a famous case here, argued that executions by electrocution violate the 8th and 14th amendments of the United States Constitution because causing to pass through the body of the person convicted of a current of electricity of sufficient intensity to cause death and the application and continuance of such current through the body of the person convicted until such person is dead. And electrocution causes the gratuitous infliction of unnecessary pain and suffering and does not comport with evolving standards of human dignity, which I agree with. But that's what they got over here. So Justice William Brennan was the dissenter of the Supreme Court.

And he said that the it's ridiculous. He said basically that it's the evidence suggests that death by electric current is extremely violent and inflicts pain and indignities far beyond mere extinguishment of life. Witnesses routinely report that when the switch is thrown, the condemned prisoner cringes, leaps, fights the straps with amazing strength. Hands turn red, then white, and cords of the neck stand out like steel bands. The prisoner's limbs, fingers, toes, and face are severely contorted. The force of the electric current is so powerful that the prisoner's eyeballs sometimes pop out and rest on his cheeks. The prisoner often defecates, urinates, vomits blood, and drool.

Brennan also said that electrocution is nothing less than contemporary technological equivalent of burning people at the stake. Goddamn. Wow. Hard to disagree with. It goes hard. And that's all. I mean, it all happens all happens it's true true yeah we did that the botched executions bonus episode uh back in the day if you haven't tried patreon there you go there's one of those there uh june 12th 1987 which is my birthday look at that on my birthday uh jim Jimmy Glass's execution day as well. Happy birthday, James.

I was having a nice day, and he wasn't, I feel like. So the family, his family there, were the only people demonstrating. You know how they usually have demonstrators outside saying don't kill him? Just his family out there. Yeah, there was a lot of crowd of death penalty supporters though that wanted him dead and um his uh they said that his brother was out there and a bunch of people people wearing you know amnesty international shirts and all that sort of thing um they had pictures of glass there glass's mother and father paid the last visit to their son there

at angola the uh warden said that he understood the elder glasses were spending the night in baton rouge so uh where glass could talk to them by telephone just before being taken to death his five-year-old daughter though did not visit him glass had a five-year-old fucking daughter this idiot he had a kid right before he went in here yeah like right before he went to jail at 19 he had the kid yeah he had to have knocked the girl up then went to jail it's the only way the math works um his brother said you can't put a life on a price on human life and he said that uh you know they shouldn't they shouldn't kill his brother and all that sort of thing he said to his sister said two wrongs don't

make a right he's also got someone on his side named Martha Anderson Glass who married him on death row while awaiting execution. She says her husband's changed greatly since 1982. Quote, my husband is the bravest man I know. You got to get the bravest. He's in deep, deep remorse for this crime the person who committed that crime died a long time ago she said that uh um the last words he'll speak to her i love you i and i'll tell him i love him and there's nothing else to say she is the new mexico president of amnesty international by the way okay so she's not even like, you know, some fucking trailer girl that he

lured in there, you know, whatever. She's smart enough to know better. That's exactly what I'm talking about. This woman went to college and deals with criminals all the time. He said that there was speculation. Whatever. Never mind. So last day,

here we go for him. Jimmy Glass, he meets with his parents and his wife and his sisters and his brothers. Last meal, Jimmy. Hell yes. Last meal he chooses. What do you think? Fried okra, fried chicken. Nope.

Pepperoni pizza. Why do they always do that? That's something they crave. A pepperoni pizza, a salad with blue cheese dressing, fresh peaches and cream, and two soft drinks. That's what he got. Peaches and cream? Peaches and cream. That's a weird choice.

I don't know. Down south, maybe they eat a lot of peaches and cream. I like peaches. I love peaches. Now, last words here. He is strapped into the chair and all that and they ask him do you have any final words and he says quote yeah i think i'd rather be fishing that's his last words yeah i got last words i think i'd rather be fishing and then they they uh zapped him up there so um he is pronounced

dead at 12 14 a.m uh let's see eight minutes after the first of four 15 second jolts of electricity was administered and um after the u.s court of appeals you know shut shut him down there he was the third execution that week in louisiana wing goes up next here now speaking from death, he continued to deny he ever went into the Browns home. He says that he wouldn't discuss the case in any details, though, because he'd need to talk to his attorney first. I think time for that's running out, chief. I don't want to incriminate myself. Yeah.

I mean, you're on death row. You are like, it is execution week. Yeah. I mean, you're you're on death row. You are like it is execution week. Yeah. His defense attorney, though, said that he they're trying to get, you know, all these organizations that free innocent prisoners involved. And they said that they're going to appeal with new evidence to the Supreme Court today. The state pardon board also he's got to go before and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Louisiana Supreme Court. They all refused to grant him a reprieve. Reviewing a videotaped statement by the prosecution's key witness, Gwen Hill, who said in a taped

statement that Jesus Christ, this is their new evidence. Jimmy Morgan, a Webster, another Jimmy Webster, parish sheriff's deputy, forced her to lie on the witness stand. She claims stand she claims now she claims she lied she uh she claims that this morgan told her that he would jail her if she did not have sex with him that's what she claims and he said that in addition to that he ordered her to help him against wingo you're to fuck me and help me against Wingo or I'm going to put you in prison. Yeah.

Now, this particular cop preparing before Wingo's pardon board hearing denied the allegations, saying he never saw Hill until shortly before the trial. He says all charges against Hill were dropped before she testified at Wingo's trial. So I don't understand. charges against Hill were dropped before she testified at Wingo's trial. So I don't understand. He said, quote, she told us she lied and that she was coerced into lying is, uh,

uh, referencing to an interview he and a private investigator did with her. Um, by the way, now she's married and lives in Murfreesboro, not to this idiot. Um, in the videotape,

she said her testimony was based on information told to her by law force enforcement officials, particularly James Morgan. On the tape, she said she didn't tell the truth at Wingo's trial because of everything that was put in my head by Morgan and the others involved in the case. She said, quote, he told the talking about Morgan. He told me I could spend 10 years in jail for running with Jimmy. And Morgan declined to comment on the accusations but later on they officially deny it of course um saying no of course not on the tape hill said morgan told her he would try to help wingo if she would go to bed with him basically i could put you

in jail for 10 years or i could try to help your boyfriend which would you prefer you know how hot is she we used i mean yeah i don't know yeah that he's like listen willing to jeopardize everything he's got over sleeping with a witness i mean people have jeopardized more for less i'll say that probably right for for pieces of ass yeah men are men have done worse for for that but it doesn't seem logical you know but we don't know how horny he was because logic goes right out the window.

So that's the other problem. Yeah, but and with Wingo, he's got the least evidence too. So maybe, maybe you do. Maybe you do leverage it. Hey, maybe I could help him out. Who knows? Maybe, yeah.

Also, she said that during the three months she was in jail being held as a material witness, Morgan took her out of jail several times and brought her personal items such as a hair dryer, a pillow, out of jail several times and brought her personal items, such as a hairdryer, a pillow, and nightclothes.

Gave her special treatment, she claims. The district attorney says there was no coercion. All the witnesses were on the up and up. The vote for the pardon board is 4-0 against Wingo. So he is fucked. He said, there's no evidence because I was never there. I challenge anyone to really investigate and show where I was guilty. They did a trial.

That's what that's called. He said that he split up, and I don't know what you're talking about. Last minute appeal. He meets with his mother, and his mother tells him his fate. It goes all the way to the Supreme Court, hoping for a stay, and the Supreme Court votes 7-2 against hearing his appeal. I don't even want to hear it. Nope.

He said that even after that, he has high hopes that the governor will intervene, but he's ready if the governor doesn't. And the governor said, I have no plans of intervening. I don't know who that is. Yeah, I don't care about him at all um so he is scheduled to become the fourth man killed in less than a week at angola here but his minister says jimmy wingo has found god you can't kill him he's found god physically jimmy has some medical problems with bronchitis but mentally he's a christian that's what he said literally

his words physically some medical problems with bronchitis mentally total christian doing great um so june 16th 1987 jimmy wingo execution day here um let's see here uh his spiritual guy said he's in a real good mood he He's visiting with his mother right now, and he's ordering his last meal. Last meal, Jimmy. This is some down south. This is some Louisiana shit. Some sweet tea and catfish.

Fried seafood platter with extra shrimp. There you go. That's a very Louisiana thing. And French fries and a Coke. Okay. That's not bad. That's a pretty good meal there that's pretty good i'd like that got some cocktail sauce in there shit yeah his last words his last words actually was a two-minute religious diatribe what um so i'm just gonna go with the end of it and that's that's plenty he says quote hi i'm ready hi hi jimmy wingo here i'm for i'm ready hi i'm ready i'm an innocent man you are murdering me to this day i do still love you all in christ

god bless you all that was what he said you're all murdering me but it's cool it's all right um two minute long statement and um he sat down in the chair they strapped him in and there you go um he gave he gave a thumbs up signal when he was strapped into the electric chair ready to go ready to roll who are you fucking evil kenevil locked and loaded buddy yeah did he think they were going to perform some sort of magic trick with him at this point they were going to throw him in a pool and he had to try to get his way out of the fucking traps? You're not jumping the snake river, sir. Thumbs up. Thumbs up to it.

His tombstone says, quote, the Lord was his shepherd. Okay. And the Brown family says, you know, they don't love executions, but he said it will certainly close a chapter on that part of it it relieves you to know that justice is being done but we can never forget our parents now the next execution is a guy named leslie lowenfield who's scheduled to die the next day yeah uh for a 1982 shooting of a four-year-old um a sheriff's deputy's four-year-old oh uh yeah oh no i'm sorry a sheriff's deputy and her four-year-old oh my no oh and three other family members five people including a deputy and a four-year-old um now the supreme court issued a stay blocking the execution and said that it would remain in effect until the justices consider his appeal uh if they reject the appeal there's a new date blah blah blah uh but they uh ended up voting for

that and the sheriff or the the guy uh prison warden hilton butler said he was relieved by it he said quote yeah i need to rest a while like i've can you imagine i've been killing people every day like that dude goes home and goes oh oh, my God, I did it again. Like he can't feel great about that. I hope not. He's a fucking monster if he loves it. That's the response I would want. I needed a rest.

I need a rest from fucking killing people here. The House Committee on the Administration of Criminal Justice voted eight to two against imposing imposing a one-year moratorium on executions for study on capital punishment alternatives a louisiana poll shows 72 percent of the people believe in still want the death penalty there 24 said no today that was in 1990 or 1987. I'm sorry. It was in late 87. 72% yes, 24% no. This is before DNA and all of our exoneration. So there you go. And that, everybody, is Louisiana with Dixie Inn and all that shit.

And the Wingo, the Jimmys. Jesus, the bad Jimmys. They're giving the Jim Jimmy's a bad name. I don't like this at all. I don't like that. There was two Jimmy's not good. I'm like, this is not cool at all.

This is, we can't do that. No, it's too Charles. Anything to Charles. Yeah. Anything but two Jimmy's. Give me fucking two Billy's.

I'll take it. Something. But there it is, everybody. Thank you so much for listening to that. And, uh, thank you so much for maybe spending

a piece of your holidays with us and all that sort of thing and uh yeah all that uh head over to shut up and give me murder.com get your tickets get your merchandise everything like that patreon no patreon this week uh it would come out on christmas day and uh between the fact that i have my son here and something else i'm going to talk about in a second, it's just not going to happen this week. I promise you on our next two weeks from now, we'll do a rip-roaring, rocking fucking couple of Patreons. I promise you that. Check out the back catalog. Listen to some of the crazy ones you forgot about.

They're in there and all that sort of thing. If you want to get us a present review on whatever platform you are, we'll be happy with that gift somebody patreon though you can do that so give the gift of patreon give the gift of laughter uh do that jesus that sounded like a diamond ring ad cheesy i had to be cheesy about it so anyway patreon i promised you guys bad news so here we go um i only say this i i'm pretty private about kind of shit. You know, I say some stuff. Most of your life? Most of my life I'm kind of private, but I feel like I kind of owe everybody this only because of the role you had in it.

And just everybody, Italian grandma died. So very sad. You murdered people. You happy with yourselves? You happy with what you did? The role you played in it. No, I say the role you played in it, honestly, because you everyone out there, the amount of love that you gave her and like all the we all showed her all that stuff. When people would tweet about her and put up posts and all this type of shit, we showed her that stuff.

And she she glowed. And you made an old lady's last five years like she was walking on air. I mean, we took her to a show in Phoenix and that was the only time she got to go. Kind of the last time she really went out somewhere big like that. And I introduced her and everybody gave her

a huge standing ovation. She said that was the greatest night of her life. You, I'm serious. Everybody out there, you made that, what she said was the greatest night of her life. Like she's never been, felt so good in her life, she said. Everybody was walking up to her and she said, they were taking pictures with me like I was the movie star,

she said. She was telling everybody in Italy, I'm famous. They all love me here. Like she had no idea what a podcast is or whatever but she just knew strangers were coming up and going oh my god you're italian grandma can i have a picture with you okay i am a grandma so she loved it so much so you you everybody out there really oh i appreciate that i appreciate you uh you showing that love and shit and uh thank you you don't have to, say you're sorry or any of that stuff.

It's I get it. Thank you. I know everybody's sorry. Nobody's like, good. Fuck your grandma. Like you're all sorry about it. We all loved Italian grandma.

She was a force of nature, but that's why the Patreon, I don't know. Like with there's Christmas, my son is here and now I have to figure out what's up with funerals. And there's so much going on. There's no way i can put two extra episodes up this week we just we just can't do it i'm sorry extenuating circumstances you know

i would say here um we've we never missed one before and uh literally it took death to do it so um otherwise we would do we would definitely be doing these episodes but there we go um just thought i'd let everybody know thank you though for honestly for for being so cool and for for always making grandma feel good that was a it's a big fucking deal it really is a big fucking deal and um yeah she's good she outlived three husbands she's fine she's good pretty amazing in her mind she's like i win yeah you know she's outlived a lot of people that's how they go so good for her uh yeah she's 93 so i mean you know she's outlived a lot of people that's how they go so good for her uh yeah she's 93 so i mean she had a great run and a lot she uh died by the way just at home

surrounded by her daughters and stuff so it was good it was good for it was good it wasn't like she didn't die scared and alone right in an empty room somewhere so uh and a credit to her uh uh covid didn't take her she she did it her own way and that's pretty fucking amazing luckily for her she can't really move around and hasn't left the house in a couple of years like on whether covid or not she was going nowhere doesn't matter best time to be alive with a with a horrible pandemic around totally it works out so well stuck in your house anyway stuck in your house like hey grandma yeah you're not missing shit so good for her yeah that said um let's let's hear something positive okay let's hear you got a list of these shout outs jimmy i would love

to hear this will make me feel better let's hear a list of the people who have been so fucking wonderful to us all year long and uh especially around these holidays thank you so much jimmy hit me with this list like a dead grandmother to the head this week's executive producers are terry lynch harry pest paratestes james uh catherine janush and her er nurse team uh say go get your vaccinations. They are overwhelmed. And, Catherine, thank you so much for everything you're doing. Thank you for hustling, man. Fucking hero.

Thank you for hustling, Catherine. Don't stop. Please. I know it's exhausting. Angel Kavanaugh, Kevin Hoytel, Cameron Kuchwara, Jordan Bennett, of course, Christy Facey, Nicole Petrie, Susan and John McQuilkin, Rocky Franzen, like the wine. Is that Franzen?

Franze. Rocky Franze. Right. Carrie Clark, Wesleyan Fartin Partin, Maria Alicia Allison. Amy has a crush on Jimmy. Maggie Corcoran, Shayla Itta. Oh, Ittery, Ittery, Itty, Itty Cheria. Itty Cheria.

That's the one. Jason Newark also. Thank you guys so much for what you guys do for us. You genuinely carry us through all this horseshit, and we really can't thank you enough. Other producers this week are Michelle at Centeno Kennels. They're in Canada. I think they're in Ontario. Liz Vasquez, Adam and Danielle Weinberger, and their late kitten,

Oreo. Rest in peace, Oreo. Raphael Paredes, Paredes? Paredes. Jam Berry, Jeff Shrewsbury, Steve Schnell, Danielle Wood, Corporal Carl Kirshner, Peyton Meadows, Gary Howard, James

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What? What is that? What is that from? Kathleen Turner. That's Bachman Turner Overdrive, but with Kathleen Turner, the actress, put in there. What is it from? Is it anything? Nothing.

I don't know if it's from anything. Maybe it is. She's just fucking with us. Maybe. Cherie Carter. Thomas DeMello in Paraguay. Daniel Johnson. Jackson Walsh. Tish Cooper. Liv Seidel-Gaylord, Alex Lowenson, Morrigan, Autumn Signs, My Serenity, Mike Deutschman, Brianna Donatucci.

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No, that's Kuda. Christine Lundstrom. Julie Jeromechick. Jake Jale. What? Jalee? Jalee? Murphy.

I don't know what I'm doing. You're a fucking mess. Richard Emerson. Ashley Roughhead. Take it easy, Ashley. Hey, Jesus, Ashley. Kyle Webb. Lorianne.

I like the enthusiasm, but for Christ's sake. We're very sorry. You gave us money. Not so rough, Ashley. Hey, Jesus, Ashley. Kyle Webb, Laurieann. I like the enthusiasm, but for Christ's sake. We're very sorry. You gave us money. Not so rough, Ashley. We're being terrible people. We apologize. It's just for comics, and we hear something like that. Laurieann, Floramo, Amy George, Jan Ismay, Rohan Submachine Gun.

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Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. You heartwarming sons of bitches. You honestly, thank you for everything you've done for us this entire year and uh just everything we just appreciate the fuck out of you people for sticking with us we go to these live shows people have

saved these tickets for two years and everybody's there it's wild we can't we're blown away by that that you haven't either given up forgotten about us or just been like i'm not going to see these two schmucks it was a bad idea to show anymore there's so many reasons to not show up and you do so thank you for doing that thank you for always showing up for us and uh jimmy what if they wanted to show up for you how can they find you they've showed up more than my father did in my first 28 years and i can't thank you guys enough for that uh and keep showing up at westman sucks is where i'm at on the internet where Where are you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just you can just Google search the show and hosts. And we're going to pop up because if someone else has a show called Small Town Murder and they're doing this, I want to have a chat with them. So if you find those people forward their names along to us so we can hunt them like animals.

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