Small Town Murder - #260 - A Grossly Insane Tale Of Death - Marion, Indiana

Episode Date: January 27, 2022

This week, in Marion, Indiana, a woman emerges from a backwoods swampland, filthy, covered in mosquito bites, with her two children, and a tale of unheard of blood lust, and butchery, but oncer the details start to emerge, a slightly different story comes to light. It's a terrible of death, complete with a dismembered body, stored in a dirt basement, severed arms, used as a threat, and a mess of a court situation, including the Sheriff, living next door to the defendant, lie detectors, and the legal/medical term "grossly insane"! Along the way, we find out that the United States fought England more than just the one time, that arms are difficult to saw off, and that fair isn't always right!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're comedians. We are. Terrible murders happen. We understand that. That's a terrible thing. We get that that part's not funny. So what we do is we don't make jokes about that part. Right.

When someone's head is being severed from their body we're not like it's hilarious that's not the part that's funny but when some like you know bumbling sheriff decides that i don't think johnny did it we interviewed him five times i know he was covered in blood from head to toe but i just i've known johnny a long time we're gonna we're gonna make fun of that kind of thing we're gonna make fun of murderers we're gonna make fun of things like that so we're gonna do all that what we're not gonna do is we're not gonna make fun of that kind of thing. We're going to make fun of murderers. We're going to make fun of things like that. So we're going to do all that. What we're not going to do is we're not going to make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James?

Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags. And that's how that works. So that sounds good to you. We're going to have a great time talking about some insane stuff. If not, if true crime and comedy never go together for you, then maybe we're not for you. But maybe we are.

We just no complaining later. That said, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs. Oh, boy. Shut up. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's get out of here. Let's do it.

We're coming from that crazy engine hoist murder. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that was weird last week. Absolutely insane. That was crazy stuff. This week, no more sane. Insane. We are actually grossly insane, as we'll find later.

That's an actual term, a legal term that we're going to find out. Grossly. Grossly insane. Like 12 times 12. You know it. A whole gross of it a whole gross times 12 gross a whole gross of it we're going to marion indiana okay oh baby marion indiana sounds very east central indiana you know the hopping part of indiana the happening part it's uh indianapolis and that's it, right? I wouldn't even put Indianapolis in there. They've got a couple of stadiums there, I'll tell you what.

That's all they've got, though, right? Pretty much, yeah. There's not a lot going on in Indiana, really. It's about an hour from Fort Wayne, Indiana, about an hour and 25 minutes from Indianapolis. You're within striking distance of going to see a cults game. Look at you. And about an hour and 10 minutes from Auburn, Indiana, which was our last Indiana episode, episode 226, which was the whole carnival, carny worker, Satan cult, insane shit that happened there.

So this is in Grant County county area code 765 mottos of this town several mottos number one city of champions which is not yes i that's taken by other people also they're what which ones are they discussing there none really uh christmas city usa which again is just they're really throwing santa claus you can go fuck yourself or your nickname here is their other no just whatever you want whatever you want our motto to be we'll take it and we'll be auto is hello my name is hello my name is marion so a little drop of history. We'll get through this real quick because we have a lot of show. So we can get through the town stuff quick. But apparently Marion was a battle near here the battle of a missing miss enowa in 1812 for the war of 1812 uh so that was in this area and they're very much into that as we'll find out at the end of uh when we do things to do still into the war so they're they

they reenact the shit it's crazy they love They love the war. They're the only people in America who even know what the fuck the War of 1812 was. Who's not a high school history teacher. Jimmy Quick, who fought in the War of 1812? Don't you dare. There you go. I barely know this, and I really like history. I imagine some Americans. Yeah, this is not one that's very common.

This is the reef. This is the remix of fighting England is what it was. Really? Yeah. And we involved like the Native Americans involved, got them in it too. Let's bring the fucking Indians involved in this. Let's see what they can do with these goddamn British assholes. So we had that.

It's interesting. So, but whatever. Either way, it was fought in December of 1812, north of the city of Marion, and they talk about it constantly. So, just constantly. They became an agricultural trading center. They had forest industry and shit like that during the 1880s, or up until the 1880s, when they found a huge supply of natural gas in this county. Oh, yes. So, they had a huge supply of natural gas in this county oh yes so they had a huge gas boom and it was that shit it was huge for them very big stuff here uh from 1900

to 1901 so for a season or two they had their own baseball team i don't know what level this was at but it was called the glass blowers so yeah make sure you pronounce that g and the l that's what i'm saying that's not that's not good here well ass blower would be a you know if people would flock to it or what so there are a couple of famous people from here actually who james dean is born here is that right yeah james dean from marion indiana motherfuckers on the planet coming out of here thinking about natural gas in the war of 1812 and he was just too cool for for everybody that's why you couldn't concentrate behind the wheel just really thinking about just thinking about it he was like man i'm longing for marion and then the road curved and that's

the next thing you know you can't stop thinking about 1812 next one minute handsome next minute dead that's how it works you're thinking about the war of 1812 you're thinking about general francis marion or whatever the fuck his name was was that his name francis marion it was so we don't know also jim davis from here you know he is no garfield the creator and cartoonist for really yeah it's the dude who made Garfield. How about that? This town, very much into Garfield. Yeah.

They're as much into Garfield here as in Mount Airy they were into Mayberry. Really? And Andy Griffith. It's similar. It's all Garfield and Odie. It's Garfield and Odie. Odie this week, Opie last week. We don't take credit for Odie here. O we're not responsible for odie odie is from another

no we're only garfield here and this is also for some reason the location of the wedding of julia roberts remember when she married lyle love it that the hideous looking singer this is where they got married i don't know why i don't know if it was in like john cougar mellencamp's front yard or what the fuck happened but incredible um yeah so reviews of this town i guess he had to marry that ghoul somewhere i guess she's like you know what indiana's as good a place as any why not he is hysterical though that guy is so funny not just on the face he's a hilarious man. He's such a great actor. In 93, he had no business marrying a movie star. Essentially not that one. No.

The height of her, yeah. The height of her fame, yeah. Reviews of this town, five stars. I've lived in Marion since I was born. Okay. There you go. Marion provides almost all of the needs one can think of. Almost.

All of the needs. Almost. He gives a little ellipses here, dot, dot, dot. I 100% recommend, exclamation point. So that's like a good review. Whatever he's missing, he doesn't need it, James. He just wants it. Remember those old movie commercials where they'd be talking to people who just came out of the theater?

That sounds like one of those. It had almost everything I could think of. It's in a great movie. I 100% recommend. So five stars. The police patrol in my neighborhood or the police patrol my neighborhood every night, which makes me feel safe at night. The police officers are very nice and helpful when you lock your key in your car. They have no problem getting your car open for you.

So this person has had one experience where a cop helped them get their key out of the car, and they're going to put a review based on that one experience, which is fine. Good for you. Yeah. You know what nice neighborhoods rarely have, James? Police patrolling every fucking night. Yeah. What are they doing in there?

What's the need? The only reason they're there is because it's not nice here's three stars a little less enthusiastic marion is a special place although sometimes horrible things happen here there are places filled with love and caring people people support people in hard times and are there no matter what the the place just needs to be cleaned up i love my city but sadly it has become very dangerous with drugs and crime taking over i hope one day marion can become safe again i think we just solved why the police some of these reviews make it sound like it's like uh escape from new york style like just a fucking bubbling cauldron

of anarchy and that's what they and then you look at the crime rate and you're like everybody calm down stop with your doomsday uh here's two stars where to begin is what it's how it starts out yeah marion wasn't always all that bad back when we had factory jobs fueling our local economy once those jobs once those shut down and moved away the trouble started oh not the trouble the trouble uh small businesses hardly have a chance here there is very little in the ways of entertainment we walk around walmart for fun gee that's that's fucking bleak, man. That's bleak. That's grim. And we are smack in the middle of the opioid crisis. We do, however, have a few nice things.

Indiana Wesleyan University has a really nice campus on the south side of town. It's nice to just walk around there and forget about where you live. Jesus, this sounds like they live in maximum security lockdown. We also have a pretty nice garden area in our park. All in all, I would not recommend living here okay they make it sound like it's like la and judge dread as well uh two stars the road i live on is almost never plowed in the winter and filled with potholes that's it just this road sucks two stars yeah um here is one star okay hates it uh marion indiana is a town where you pretty much stay to yourself or you're going to be getting yourself into trouble every day there is shooting stabbings robberies drug overdoses and needles found everywhere

this town used to be great a great town now it's about as bad as chicago downtown oh war zone fucking chiraq is what they call yeah and downtown isn't where it's bad in chicago that's that's where people are walking around with briefcases you're talking about different i don't that's someone who doesn't has never been to chicago they just saw the news yeah somebody said something somebody said something i Somebody said something. I don't trust my son even going outside to play in our own yard. You never know who or what is around. Now, some of the good things is because I don't do any drugs or anything like that and I stay out of trouble and I don't have any kind of record. It's really easy for me to find a job as a single

mom. It's hard to find a sitter because I can't trust anyone. Obviously, because they're all crackheads, as previously you just said. You can't even trust your own kid. No. You can't trust my son to play in the front yard. It's Thunderdome in this town. Who am I going to trust? This is fucking crazy.

Maybe be a better parent and your kid will stop doing this bad shit. Oh, my God. If I could change something about this town, it would have to be a better parent and your kid will stop doing this bad shit oh my god if i could change something about this town it would have to be the drugs we need to get these drugs out of here because it is killing everyone all right that's fair people in this town 27 674 doomed souls reside here yeah and it's gone down from like the it was a lot higher in like the 70s now uh there's way more females than males which i think can be explained by the college because colleges have higher female enrollment than males. So I think that's probably what it is, 55% female. Median age is right exactly, 37, right at the normal age of the rest of the country.

But there's a lot of like old people, like 85 plus. There's way more of those. It's just balanced out with college kids here. So married population's low. Everybody's either died out of their marriage or isn't married yet because they're in college. So you're going to get that. Divorce rate's high, though. Really?

Yeah. I mean, think about all the shit that's going on. You're dodging gunfire left and right. It's tough on the marriage. So race of this town, 74% white, 15% black, 1.4% Asian, and 5.7% Hispanic. So, I mean, there's some little bit of diversity here. Yeah, it's a mix, a little, you know, kind of whatever. Religion of this town, it's about 40% of the people here here are religious and it's spread out pretty good it's some methodists you know episcopalian or two a baptist here and there 19.7 are other christian

so some other smaller indiana denomination i'm not sure point point one percent jewish so not a lot of jewish people here politics here it's pretty conservative 29% in this county voted Democrat in the last election 68% Republican two and a half percent independent it's pretty it's a little bit depressed around here and it's like they said since the factory jobs have closed its median household income is just under $33,000. Holy shit. Yeah, $57,500 in the rest of the country. So it's 46% make under $30,000 a year. Oh, my God.

That's a lot. So it's rough. But the cost of living, $100 is regular average. Here it is $67. So that's low. Okay, that makes sense. That's pretty low. Median home cost here, $85,100.

Fire sales. Yeah, cheap makes sense. That's pretty low. Median home cost here, $85,100. Fire sales. Yeah, cheap as shit. Wow. If you can get the crackheads out of here, go ahead and try it. So that said, I think it's time. Who doesn't want to move to Marion, Indiana? Oh, why? Let's do the Marion, Indiana real estate report.

Okay, your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about 684 bucks which is cheap it's almost 1300 in the rest of the country there's a three-bedroom one bath it says it's 300 square feet i don't know how you get three bedrooms into that. Fuck out of here. That's just three sheets hanging to like cordon off. That is three easy ups, James. Those are 10 by 10. That's 100 square feet. There you go. That's nothing. It's falling apart.

There's a big piece of plywood in the front window. It's not even nailed in. It's just leaning there. Anybody could pull it off. It looks terrible. There's a pile of shit in the living room. I don't know. Clothes and shit are in there.

It's a mess. It's falling twenty four thousand nine hundred dollars for that though i mean i guess you can knock it down and build a new house three bedroom one bath 1232 square feet it's a nice little very boring plain you know done like a cookie cutter little house um inside nothing that stands out but nice decent place to live 77 000 bucks wow so i mean if you're a you got a couple of kids you need a decent place that's a that's not a bad option that's 250 that's what i mean then i found um a five bedroom five bath 4,506 square feet. Holy shit. You're going to stretch out a little bit here. You're going to think about the glass blowers from back in the day. Has a pool and a basketball court, which is nice.

Oh, is that right? Yeah, it's a newer built house. Nice house. Boring, but nice. $525,000 for that. Holy shit, man. For almost 5,000 square feet? Yeah, and a pool and a basketball court.

It's unbelievable. Very cheap. Things to do here. The Mississinnawa 1812 Festival. It says time travel to 1812. Oh, don't do that. No, thanks. I like toilets and air conditioning, but thank you.

It's the largest War of 1812 living history event in the United States, because no one else ever thinks about it. Sponsored by the Mississinawana Battlefield Society. Jesus Christ. There's military encampments. Experience the days of the War of 1812 in the British and American military camps. View the daily life of the War of an 1812 soldier. Ongoing demonstrations include field drills, artillery firing, musket and rifle drill, battlefield surgery, and daily battle reenactments. And yard shitting.

And yard shitting because, yeah, there was no porta potties in 1812. It needs to be realistic now. Use leaves. Go out to the hollowed out log. Oh, my God. There's a Native American village. The ancient culture of the woodland Indian dominates the largest reconstructed woodland Indian village in the United States. That's cool.

the largest reconstructed woodland indian village in the united states that's cool traditional long house is the centerpiece for this glimpse of the indian life that has been on this site since 1752 then there's rivertown which i assume is just like you know whores and pirates 140 merchants food purveyors demonstrations of 18th century crafts food and drink of 1812 18th century crafts, food and drink of 1812. 18th century is the 1700s, by the way. Just so you fucking, that's. Bands like Voyager, Ancient Fife. I'm not kidding. Dennis and Barbara Duffy are going to be there, everybody. Oh, yeah.

Fiddle Sticks is making, or Fiddle Six, not Sticks. Fix are making an appearance. Is that Six Fiddles, I guess? I guess Fiddle Six, yeah Sticks. Fix are making an appearance. Is that Six Fiddles, I guess? I guess Fiddles. So, yeah, that's what it sounds like. Rodney the Younger. I guess there's an older Rodney that we don't know about. And Elder.

And Bonnie Strassel's going to be there. Great. That's all. Then there's Hog Days with a Z rally. And this is a motorcycle rally held here. And they say in 1920, the Hog Boys team earned their nickname when they celebrated their victory in the 1920 Marion, Indiana, International Motorcycle Race by riding with a pig around the Cornfield Classic Track. Okay. This is one of the events is riding around with a pig around the cornfield classic track okay this is one of the events is riding

around with a fuck you you chase a pig basically there's like a pig involved on a motorcycle yeah there's a pig running and you like run with it with the motorcycle there's something to do with pigs and motorcycles here that i'm very that i don't like that at all there's a church service by the christian motorcyclists association nothing like that motorcycle rider like christian that's no good uh lots of james dean and garfield shit as well so uh crime rate in this town what we are interested in here of course property crime is pretty pretty high actually here it. It's, well, I'm going to say about not quite double, but close to double. It's high.

So a lot of crackhead-y behavior, it sounds like. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, just under the national average. Oh. You know, the worst parts of Chicago. Same. Very similar to that. Right?

Par. Similar. Yeah, it's on par with that so there you go not yeah it's a it's a one of these towns that's kind of on the uh on the brink i guess you could say so anyway that said let's talk about a murder let's do that let's do that let's get out of these cracky times here and head back to times that were just as shitty i'm sure but just just not with crackheads it's separate different thing we're going a little further we're going back to 1966 oh yes yeah like i love doing these kind of cases and kind of go back because then you get like some hindsight on the whole thing you can know what happened to

everybody like at the end of a movie when they have like a you know this person went on to do this and this and this and then they died when they were 82 you can have an ending so we're going back to may of 1966 here uh we'll start there and we will talk about some people and tell you their story let's get into this first let's talk about edith louise schmidt s-c-h-m-i-d-t schmidt like mike schmidt poor lady uh she goes by louise so good she likes louise better so louise is 26 years old and she um she's trying she's just been starting over, kind of, because she, let me tell you her story. She is from around Sparta, Tennessee, Gumspring Mountain, to be exact. Oh, boy. Yeah. So everybody involved in this story is a little, they all end up in Marion, but they all come from some backwoods place, which is interesting.

So she's from there. She leaves before. place which is interesting so uh she's from there she leaves uh before she left when she was 17 to get out of here and to get married and get out of the town it was essentially what it was so and they called going to by the way from sparta tennessee to marion indiana quote moving up north moving to the north i mean geographically sure she's leaving the confederacy god damn it so uh yeah she's leaving going up north she meets lonnie goodwin that's the man she marries so she's swept off her feet by lonnie goodwin or tay rescues her from all of this and takes her to Marion, Indiana, the land of milk and honey. So there they have two children as well.

Yes, they do. They have Nancy who in 1966 is eight years old. So she had her when she was 18. Louise did. Pretty young. And then they have Jimmy who's six years old in 1966 so they popped out you know a couple kids you know pretty quick young marriage things were going good you know it's a teenage wedding when the old folks wished them well you know a whole deal

they had they had two kids it's the at this point in the early 60s it's kind of the typical american story that you'd go hey look at that that's very sweet it's the at this point in the early 60s it's kind of the typical american story that you'd go hey look at that that's very sweet it's magical until lonnie just deserts the family apparently and uh that's not very magical no kids there's disney music playing all that little bells and shit i have a magical story for you dad left us for a skank he met at the gas station yes do that i don't know we don't know why he left but he left he took off and uh she didn't know what to do uh you know young lady with two little kids that's a it's a rough thing to have in 1960 that's a you know early 1960s she uh they ended up getting a divorce, which even then, even a divorce was considered like a

black mark against you back then. That was like, oh, my God, we're going on your permanent record, buddy. Scar, wear that on your sweater, big guy. Big D. So she's got her two little kids, and she's putting her life back together is what she's trying to do after lonnie takes off on her she remains in indiana yeah stays up there she's not gonna go running back home so she stays up there and she meets larry lee schmidt that's how she becomes edith louise schmidt

um he's about five years older than her and And Larry, from what everybody says, seems to be pretty good shit, basically. Decent guy, hardworking cat. He was working at the Red Key Bakery there. And apparently that's how he met her while he was working at this Red Key Bakery. And she talked to him and told him you know oh god yeah my husband left me i got these two little kids and yeah you know all that sort of thing so uh now schmidt larry he's from chicago actually born in chicago and he's like you know what it's not about it it's not dangerous enough i feel like i need to go to the most dangerous place on earth yeah uh fallujah indiana otherwise known as mary as marion so they uh they were

there about he lived there and then but he ended up moving and uh went to school in montpelier i guess vermont i don't know if there's a montpelier outside of vermont is there i'll bet there is there probably is either way he went to he grew up there after being from Chicago. One thing I've learned about making this show is that there's not a unique town in this fucking country. There isn't. And let me prove that to you with our next sentence. Want to know where she met and married Larry Lee Schmidt? Chicago, New Mexico?

Portland, Indiana. Close. Portland, Indiana. There you go. How do you like that? Bullshit. Portland, Indiana. As if there's a port in Indiana.

Atlanta, Utah. That's where they got married. You sons of bitches. Sacramento, Delaware. It's going to be beautiful this time of year new york city north to go oh i love it that's my favorite place in the world oh portland implies there's a like a creek like you can bring something in here you can float it all right i'll be waiting that's a port now god damn it's a port shit a port isn't what the lord gives you a port's what you make of it that's

the point if you make it a port now it's a port you just need to take things out of the water port now so uh so larry lee's family owns the bakery that's how that goes so he works there and uh larry used to um you know meets her and finally they decide to be together and he's going to take her and he wants to help raise the two kids and they're going to be a family. So he and his wife move to about 46 miles away, 45 miles away to Marion

from where they were. I think it was door to door, 46 miles, they said. And he gets a job at the early or late 1965, mid 1965. Larry he gets a job at the early or late 1965 mid-1965 larry lee gets a job at the general tire and rubber company awesome so there you go that's a great job so yeah he were doing a good job working there and uh you know his parents john uh mr and mrs john r schmidt is how they're described which is so old fucking hilarious.

But they're very proud. They're staying with their bakery and in there and wherever the fuck that is. So he gets a job there. He's a everybody says a hard worker, you know, nice guy willing to help out a friend type of guy. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive

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A bit of a speech impediment. I'm not sure exactly what the impediment is, but everyone says real nice guy. Help you out. Good guy. Kind of talks a little funny, but you know, you get over it and he's whatever.

It's not like it's not that you can still speak to him and things. It's not, you know, non-communicative or something so um apparently though after very short time couple years into this marriage louise isn't completely thrilled with the marriage um you know by 1965 they've been married about three years and she's so unhappy in the marriage you don't hear about this very much anymore, by the way. This is, for some reason, at some point in time, people stopped having nervous breakdowns.

Remember when... You'll hear people say, like, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown. But, like, people now don't have medic... They don't go, you had a nervous breakdown. There's not a doctor with a clipboard telling your family that you had a nervous breakdown, and that's what's wrong with you nervous breakdown was like the worst thing that could happen to anybody it just it just meant you went bonkers started tearing

your hair out and bumping into walls and they had to just there were shredded curtains somewhere yeah you're just catatonic that's that was more not i'm not what i'm sure it was a terrible thing whatever they did but we're just saying that's the inclination that's what was more not i'm not what i'm sure it was a terrible thing whatever they did but we're just saying that's the inclination that's what it like looked like and felt like as a kid growing up because in the when we grew up there was no more nervous breakdowns it was just it was just a reference that people made to you know having a hard time at the grocery store then they're gonna have one of them this line is so long i'm gonna have a nervous breakdown but like and you'd hear it on tv and

i'd always think whoa a nervous breakdown that sounds fucking wild yeah and and there were always like cop like that beverly hills uh troop beverly hills with the fucking show long it was yeah uh she always talked about after the nervous break or whatever the fuck yeah it was like it was a punch line or or like a lead up to a joke all the time somebody is now a fucking mess always in the 80s eight years ago they had a nervous breakdown they had a nervous breakdown and now everybody's like leery of them yeah it was like an emotional stroke kind of yeah yeah you basically yeah you had like just a complete emotional heart attack.

You had a brain attack. Your emotions had a stroke and you can't process shit anymore. That's how it worked. Without throwing wine in somebody's face for no reason. You just burned out your whole system. So you're saying all of reality television is just a giant nervous breakdown? Is that the theory here? All these real housewives, they just get women when they're in a state of like a, right on the cusp of a nervous breakdown.

They're like, get the camera crew and some wine now. Her emotions arteries are plugged. Who's that bitch she hates? Get her in here now. She's going to fucking snap. I swear to Christ, I see it in her eyes her emotional arteries are just just filled with with whatever the fuck makes a nervous breakdown whatever that plaque is a quadruple a quadruple life plaque bypass removal it's built up strong in my pipes she's ready to blow

she's a goddamn mess and now we understand that it's a lot of things and probably mostly ptsd because it was mostly women that were having the the quote-unquote uh breakdowns and it was probably uh from being fucking beat on for the entire life this is also the cheer up bitch era this is that we talked about from back in the day in case you haven't heard gun barrel city it's like episode 66 or something where yeah they this is this was when this is pre like medication this is pre kind of any kind of help for like uh you know post uh um the what's it called no not post-traumatic postpartum good god postpartum anything like that this was the i don't know cheer up bitch there you go they'd write you a prescription that says cheer up bitch and they'd hand it to you

it was like horrible but this is post here's a vibrator go make yourself better and uh right in the cusp of and right in the the i don't know bitch get over into that yeah well this is right after the era of uh of quote hysterical as a diagnosis also. Like, I don't know. She's hysterical. Lock her up. I don't know what to tell you. Give her a vibrator and lock the door.

I don't know. I was married, but my wife got all hysterical, and she had a nervous breakdown, and we had to lock her up. I don't know what to tell you. No, I gave her a dildo. I tried. She didn't help. I don't know what the hell is going on. We had to lock her up.

The doctor, no, they told her, cheer up, bitch. It didn't help. I don't know what the hell's going on we had to lock her up the doctor knows she they told her cheer up bitch it didn't help i don't know it was really weird we've been sliding cucumbers through the mail slot to her didn't help at all strange right so louise suffers a uh miscarriage is the problem oh christ after that she has a, quote, nervous breakdown, which she just, you know, she probably needed something. Probably grieving. Yeah. Ever heard of grief, motherfucker? Yeah. I don't know what could have helped, but, you know, nervous breakdown.

She actually, Larry signed her into a state hospital in Richmond, Indiana. Wow. This is what I mean. Back then, it was like, I don't know. She's acting crazy. She won't stop talking. I put her, I got to lock her up. up she's constantly crying what am i supposed to do you could just lock your wife up for being like you know for having emotions inconvenient back then she is i try keep telling

her things she didn't make dinner tonight this is crazy and you're going and they'd be like oh we'll take her right away from you sir we. We're terribly sorry. Either way. So he but he took care of the kids while she was in there. You know, he got a different apartment that they lived in and took care of the kids and went on with a family without her while she was in the hospital for a little while. She gets out. It's around this time where they live in this apartment. And in the same building is another guy that works in the factory here. The General Tire? Well, he works at the Fisher Body Division of General Motors Corporation in Marion.

Apparently, they all share the same factory. There's a giant, yeah, big factory complex. So this guy, Glenn Everett Stewart is his name, which sounds sort of regal almost. It sounds like a rock star. Glenn Everett Stewart. But instead, he goes by Buzz. Doesn't play an instrument. Buzz.

This is Buzz. Buzz is 30. So Buzz is around Larry's age. Buzz is 30. Works at the General Motors Corporation in Marion. He is from Arkansas. He's from Ark Buzz is 30. Works at the General Motors Corporation in Marion. He is from Arkansas. He's from Arkadelphia, Arkansas. What the fuck?

They're like, we need something. I like that Philadelphia. Their cream cheese is delicious. Well, there's already a Philadelphia. But, peep, there's a Portland, Indiana. We could name it. No, it's Arkadelphia. We're going to be proud and strong.

Arkadelphia. they just throw ark on the front of everything and make it a town yeah arkadelphia he's from so i i have seen it before arkadelphia but i didn't there's one of those places from like is that a joke but no he's from here so much so buzz stewart is from here okay sounds like an astronaut, Buzz Stewart. Yeah, he does. So he works there. Like I said, he is from Arkansas. He seems like he's kind of a big guy. Everybody says he's kind of a happy guy.

Jovial, he's described as. He's got a wife that he lives with, Christine. They have three kids as well. So everybody's doing the thing. They have a family and two kids. He's got his family and three kids as well so they're everybody's doing the thing they have a family and two kids he's got his family and three kids and so they end up hanging out and somehow in the complex or whatever Louise and Buzz meet each other they start talking at some point here Louise cuts off all of her hair suddenly at one point on her own and just wears a wig around which everyone's like okay she grows fine hair yeah no she's fine she just decided she's

gonna cut it all off and started wearing a wig instead which was uh everyone was a little taken aback by that but they were like i don't know at least she's not having a nervous breakdown. Right. Whatever. But during this time, Buzz and Louise start having an affair. Oh. So you can't resist Buzz, though. Let's be honest. The guy comes up. He's like, I'm Buzz from Arkadelphia. I'm wet right now.

And I don't even have, you know what I mean? But I, you know. Yeah. I can feel it brewing in there forming right on the tip right now i feel it brewing around in there you know what i mean i'm if i was a lady i'd be sitting in a puddle i'd be uncomfortable is what i'm saying just buzz i can't resist him buzz from any buzz from the automotive factory jesus sign me up. Sounds hot. So there is both marriages are having problems as well. I don't know why.

I mean, you know, one's committing his wife all the time. The other one's having an affair with that wife. I wonder why there's problems at home. So what ends up there's people start talking about divorces and shit. So Larry takes the initiative and moves his family out of the apartment complex and moves to a house on East Grant Street. And, you know, he's like, I'm getting away from this whole thing. Him and the kids and the wife or just him and the kids? No, no, no.

Him and the kids and the wife. Everybody. They're not his kids. They're from a previous marriage. If he left, I assume it would be without. I'm taking your kids, too. No, you're not. I'm leaving with Lonnie's babies.

You're not allowed to do that, sir. Had enough of your shit. Come on, kids. We aren't yours, sir. Get in the car. It's what's best for them. Excuse me, Larry, we don't want to go with you. You're not our father.

Hi. You seem like a good guy and everything, but you're really not our dad so it's kind of weird that you want us to come all right that would be hilarious so this is to get his wife away from buzz is what it is get louise very aware what's happening yeah oh everybody's aware of it after a while everybody we're talking the the uh her mother knows it. It's it's a known thing. There's he's found out Larry's found out about it. It gets even worse, too, because they they Larry keeps trying to break them up. And during this period, she ends up spending another 20 days in an institution for a little while for a nervous breakdown again. And then after her release, I don't know what it is. I don't know if Larry asked the doctors, please program her to not want to fuck buzz or what. Could you do that?

But when she got out, I guess she and, uh, her and, uh, Larry both tried to ask buzz, please stay away. You know,

we want to try to reconcile our marriage and all that sort of thing. But then apparently it had fired back up again after that. So this affair kept going on and on and on. Finally, we get to a Friday evening. It's May 6th. It's the evening everybody's around, and Buzz comes over to the Schmidt home. You son of a bitch.

And pops up, and his attempt is to get, Jesus Christ, to get Louise to leave with him. Come with me. Let's leave. We're going to go to Arkadelphia. It's going to be like you never thought it could be, baby. I'm telling you what. Me and you.

But you're married. You're both married. There's five kids in the mix here. What are you doing? This is how life works, man. She refused to leave with him. She didn't come with him. He told her, if she's not going to leave, if you ain't going to leave with me, I'm come with him um he told her if she's not gonna leave

if you ain't gonna leave with me i'm gonna kill larry then how about that then will you leave with me how about if you love larry so much save his life and leave with me that's his that's his sales pitch that's his trailer he's cutting for that shit so um she said no and now she said she didn't believe him that she thought he was just talking shit you know just talking all sorts of shit by the way they there has been a physical altercation at one point between buzz and larry of course there has buzz beat larry up at one point oh no yeah he like shit socked him out of nowhere. And I think he jumped on him and kind of jumped him. So he's sleeping with his wife hand kicking his ass.

This is the worst adult bully. Yeah. I'm going to fuck your mom next. Where's she? That's what he is. What a jerk. This is terrible. God damn it.

Jesus Christ. That's like that. Give me your mortgage money hand it over give me your mortgage money where's your mom i'm gonna fuck her that's the most adult feeling like a 12 year old ever shit the only thing worse would be is if he came over and beat his kids that would be the only thing worse i'm gonna come over here and beat your stepchildren you son of a bitch take that that'll show you i'm gonna come over here and beat somebody else's kids in

front of you that's for you and lonnie it's ridiculous man so yeah larry this is that's why the that's what spurred the move out of the apartment complex was yeah okay now i'm getting in physical fights with this guy he's fucking you know porking my wife this is terrible i gotta get out of here i can't talk him out of it and i literally can't have a physical fight with the man no beats me up it's fucking awful so um but they keep i guess they keep talking about it buzz and louise are uh they continue to talk about apparently he's like i am gonna kill your husband she's like no you're not and he's like i am too right she's like no he's like uh-huh like that's the conversation they're having at the door you bet so i don't know if he decided to show her how serious he was,

and she was like, you show me. Yeah, I don't believe you. Let's prove it. Double talk, dare you. Buzz and her and Louise drive to a shopping center where he purchases a hatchet and a hacksaw and he said look um she's like why are you getting that stuff and he said well we're gonna have to dismember him after we fucking kill him duh you're gonna have to we're just gonna kill him and throw

him on the side of the road we're gonna have to cut him up and get rid of him if we're gonna kill him if we're gonna do this correctly i if we're going to do this correctly. I'm so serious. I'm going to do it gross. I really, I'm thinking about it. Think about it. I'm going to get all of his, I'm going to cut his toes off one at a time. I'm really thinking about it. So they keep talking about it.

The next evening, Buzz, i'm sorry louise comes home and she spends the evening with larry they're hanging out and then the following day um larry goes to work at 4 p.m and so he's at work at the factory buzz comes over to the home about 7 30 p.m and he brings the hatchet and the hacksaw over with him i brought brought it with me yeah hi here and guess who's on i got girl scout cookies too i don't have you i brought both i figured we could eat them first avon calling so he he says that uh he has this shit he only stays a few minutes and then leaves just came to get it she's like get out of here and he's like all right you know just just joshing and then he takes off so then he returns again at some point here uh and stays and he's like i'm not fucking um you know i'm not uh i'm not leaving so he's

there and about 11 55 p.m larry comes home from work second shift so miserable bright is looking for something to eat he's hungry working the two to ten he He gets home and Louise lets him in the house. And immediately, this is not surprising. I love it. In the court records, it says, quote, almost immediately, an argument ensued between Larry and Stewart. No shit. Hey. Upon entry of the home, what are you doing here, bully man?

of the home what are you doing here bully man upon entry of the home the guy who's currently and has been fucking my wife into a mental institution yeah beat me up and then probably kicked my kids around too a little bit i think he he wrote some nasty shit on the dust in my car he's a real jerk stole my mortgage money after work after a long day at the general tire facility working second shift damn near midnight i might want to come home to not you and if you come home at midnight and there's another dude there who's been banging your wife he's been banging he's banging your wife that's he's midnight what the hell is he doing there so that's what ends up happening um an argument they get into buzz and larry uh larry ends up walking into his bedroom i don't know if he's gonna change or what he's gonna do but buzz follows him yep okay follows him in there

a fight ensues during this whole thing this is the this is about the most this is the facts as we think they've happened here so a fight ensues we know that happened based on what's going on larry ends up buzz ends up stabbing larry with like an eight inch knife jesus directly through his heart oh motherfucker okay so that's uh he kind of falls over into the bathroom area one stab wound one big long yeah right through the heart i mean uh got it between two ribs and everything just one of those right there perfect perfect shot so uh he later on she'll say uh right after this quote this louise quote he dragged my husband out of the bathroom he got a hatchet and a butcher knife he said he was going to cut him up into pieces so the

neighbors wouldn't see him he bled to death on the floor the guy kept kicking him in the back after that my husband didn't move anymore oh my so that's remember kicking in the back and all that that's what she'll say later so that's that's the course of events here she then will say later also that buzz either way no matter whether he forced her or she did it on her own she cleaned up the blood stains from the floor and helped move larry's body into the basement it's a dirt floor basement by the way so this is this is grimy okay so they're in the basement after going to the basement buzz and louise went back up to the main floor of the

house and just sat there and pretended like this didn't happen oh boy i don't know if they watched like snl or what the fuck they were doing but it's got a smell in there oh it's the 66 that's they're not even watching that nothing's on on tv there's nothing nothing going on it's a footage of the war it's just the color pattern with with the national anthem playing over and over and over again. We'll start off programming again around 7 a.m. There you go. When people are awake. When good, nice people are awake.

Not you hippies out there on your drugs. So they just hang out. He just spends the night. Buzz does. Yeah. The kids were asleep while all this was going on. He just spends the night. Buzz does. Yeah. The kids were asleep while all this was going on. They didn't see anything. And that's it.

The next day, they wake up, and they just have a day. Go about their lives. They just have a day, man. It's Mother's Day this day as well. Oh, boy. It's Mother's Day. So, I mean, I think Larry's mom's probably going to be expecting a call from him i would assume yeah uh but uh either way they just um they do all this on three

different occasions on that next day louise's brother comes over to the house and buzz would go and hide what she described as quote upstairs between the closets in the bathroom. It wasn't finished. You can go up in the attic. Apparently there was like walls missing and shit was trying to. I don't know what was going on in this house. It was apparently. Yeah, they were fixing it up or something.

And you could kind of hide in walls and shit. So that's what Buzz was doing. And he could make him his way up to the attic. So Sunday evening comes around because she Mother's Day. Her brother, by the way, called first called and said, hey, you know, what are you guys doing? You want to come over? And she would be like, no, Larry's not home now. Larry's out. Larry's out. So finally she said, well, why don't you bring the kid over kids over for the day and we'll hang out and she said no i'd rather stay home so then he came over three different times

and just didn't uh yeah so sunday evening that evening mother's day evening stewart heads into the basement and uh this is this is We don't know Whoever ends up doing it We don't know exactly what happened at this moment in time But what it is Is they wind up cutting Larry's arms and legs off With a hacksaw An axe and a butcher knife That takes so much work

That is a lot Yeah now she will claim also That she said He said to her listen you better fucking you know go along with this whole thing make sure the blood's cleaned up not tell anybody and she said that he brought this she was upstairs at the kitchen table i'm having a cup of tea or something yeah he came up quote with with my husband's arms and legs and brought them up and put them on the table. And he told me that take a good look at the arms and legs because it'll be you next if you don't cooperate.

That's what she claims. That's a... He had an arm full of appendages and just dumped them on the table like he just brought in some fucking potatoes from the garden and just dumped them and was like, take a good look at these are you didn't need all of the you could have brought just like a hand and been like see this right i feel like that would have been plenty sounds like he's proud of his work though i think so i did it look see i'm pretty good at

this um anyway uh so uh um she yeah that's what ends up happening it's fucking crazy um so they said that they were now the the brother by the way said he knew about buzz and louise seeing each other and she knew at one point buzz had threatened to kill larry but that that didn't deter his sister from still being with Buzz. Yeah. Essentially. So that's what it looks like. So she says later on, she says she wanted to tell her brother while she was there, but Buzz was hiding in the closet and, you know, she was so scared.

She did. He just kill everybody. Yeah. She was scared. He's got arms and legs with him. I mean, scared for her children's lives she doesn't want her children to be dismembered obviously so it's it's uh it's pretty interesting but yeah the whole family knew about it and uh the brother-in-law also said that

larry had told him that he was afraid of buzz right her brother did louise's brother said that quote because buzz beat him up and threatened to kill him quote then this is the brother's quote kenneth randolph quote why every time i saw stewart he had a knife in his hand and he said he'd kill all of us if we went to the police about him every time how does he have any time to bang louise he's beating up everybody every time jimmy yeah every time he saw him every time every time i saw him he'd just threaten us with death and fucking wield a knife well how many times are you seeing a man oh there he is again the guy threatens to kill me with a weapon every time i see him is this hot to louise why how is she sleeping with this man i don't know

what's going on here if it's a we i'm not sure that's the? I don't know what's going on here. I'm not sure. That's the thing. I don't know if this is like abusive or if this is like she's into this or what the fuck, a Bonnie and Clyde thing. I don't understand it. It's fascinating. Anyway, after this, the body's cut up. It's Sunday night. The next day, her family's trying to get a hold of her, Louise's family, Larry's family's trying to get a hold of her uh louise's family larry's family's

trying to get a hold of him no one's home no one's at the house everybody's gone everybody's disappeared on monday on monday by monday everybody's disappeared um about a week goes by wow and uh mr and mrs john schmidt uh her his, Larry's parents, the bakery people, they said they were saying they were missing Larry. They hadn't talked to him. He didn't call on Mother's Day, which is not normal for him. But they just assumed that he had taken the family to Tennessee to visit Louise's parents because they would do that occasionally. So it's Mother's Day. They probably went down there.

And all the travel and the kids, it probably slipped his mind for a week to call his mom. He didn't call his own mother. No. He was going somewhere to celebrate the day. Okay, all right. Yeah. So what they did, John and wife Schmidt here, they went to the household.

They went to Larry and Louise's house to look around, and the doors and the windows were all unlocked they're like nobody's home and all the fucking doors are open what the hell is going on this is ridiculous so they went in the house well they just did like a cursory glance once over everything was clean fine done just the windows and doors are unlocked so they locked up the house and left you know nothing suspicious there they didn't go into the basement mind you they just did a main floor look around her son's car which is an old cadillac they saw it at a nearby service station which was also normal because that it was scheduled to be repaired he had told them that he dropped the car off there so they're like okay that's that fits that's all normal so then the parents they went as far as

to get contact general tire and rubber company yeah where larry works yeah and said hey we're you know looking for my son here is he there has he you know been at work lately or what's going on and they said actually no he hasn't shown up for a while and they said they was described by his boss as quote pretty conscientious he wouldn't be very to like very likely to take off work like they thought he did yeah you know they were like the parents just thought he took off work they're like he doesn't really do that he's not that kind of guy he'd tell us if he was going to and we waited an entire week for you to call us about it because we don't check on people. No, 16 days go by.

He's that good of an employee they just hang on to his job for 16 days? They haven't even terminated him yet? Well, no, we're out of the tire factory now. We don't know how the tire factory could have processed his last check and sent it to the house already. I'm not sure how HR is handlingr is handling his situation i'm talking about they sent a 401k check and some cobra paperwork to his house already w2 here it is fuck off it's all there this isn't jimmy wants to micro focus on whether this the employer was okay with it did he get all of his 401k out of there like is it did it roll over can he take that to another employer with that in a rough ira what's happening

not sure about that stuff uh i'm talking about 16 days no one's seen larry no one's seen louise no one's seen uh the kids no one's seen buzz for 16 days jesus yeah over two weeks from mother's day on so where the fuck did they go it's a reasonable question i feel like well like anybody goes they rode southwest through indiana into illinois and missouri then they cut south into arkansas okay, and they, well, we'll talk about how they got there, but they ended up in what they call the swampy bottomlands. Oh, Arkansas. That's where they were, which is about a mile away from the farm and home of Buzz's family. of buzz's family buzz's family is a highly respected family uh the dad lives next door to and is very tight tight close friends with the sheriff like it's a they're all real upstanding people the father is pearl e stewart that's his name man named pearl uh pearl e stewart and they

were uh so anyway that's the the and i think the mother was like the postmaster of the area. They're well-respected people. That's where they ended up, though, in the swamps back there. The lower swamps. The bottom swamplands. Gross. Swampy bottomlands. Sorry, that's what they called it in the newspaper.

Yeah. Yeah. Here's another one that calls it the swamp woods, which almost even worse kind of it does the swamp woods for two weeks they just lived in the swamp woods with the flies and we're talking in may in the arkansas swamps the flies mosquitoes fucking banjos playing you name it it's all happening in here that'll dissolve a body faster than uh than diesel fluid oh it's disgusting it'll probably leeches hopping on you she she helped buzz completely dismantle the car that they drove from indiana they completely took it apart they stripped it threw everything out and then set fire to the what was

left what i don't know why but it was just this burned out car so it looked like they wanted it to look like it'd been sitting there forever just burned out even though the shit around it would be all burned too and it would look pretty fresh but we're not dealing with the brightest people here now um what ended up going on is 16 days after this and we'll get into exactly what happened but 16 days after this here comes louise stumbling from the swamp lands gets off of a bus filthy covered in mosquito bites wrote a bus from arcadelphia to Sparta, Tennessee with her two kids. They're all scratched, the kids, and mosquito bites covering. I mean, they are one giant mosquito.

It looks like they have the mumps. They're just covered in chicken pox, covered in blisters and shit. So you don't want to spend two weeks out there. So they pop up at the home of her mother and stepfather, stepfather Thurman Conley, just outside Sparta, Tennessee and whatever it was, Gum Spring Mountain or whatever. So she pops up at the door and they're like, hi, how are you? She's this is how she's described in the paper by the way this is what it says quote when she arrived back in sparta she still looked pretty but much as she had when she left not as much as she had when she left nine years ago before older of course but still thin and frail with short dark hair and an ivory white egg-shaped face with high wide forehead do we need that

really that's what i need like do i need to know the shape and height of her forehead really in a description i gotta be honest with you james thank god uh cameras have come such a long way jesus christ that that paragraph from the article we don't need that just there's a picture but there's a picture of her next to it in this article that's what i don't understand so louise pictured above pictured above there she is may 18th 1966 uh here she phoned from the house tennessee uh white county sheriff joe cummings called him up and she said quote i, I got a complaint to make. And the guy said, what kind of complaint? And she said about a kidnap and murder up in Marion.

And the guy said, where's Marion? It's not in our state. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Why are you calling me? Haven't you heard of the war 1812, sir? Jesus Christ. You know what? God damn it.

General Francis Marion was an important man that you need to. You know what? Never mind the kidnapping. We're going to have a little history lesson. You ever heard of a man named James Dean, sir? No, but y'all hear of Garfield? Garfield wasn't invented yet. I know you get the funny papers, sir.

I know you've been getting the funny. Haven't you seen that? So she couldn't say. She said, I can't give you all the details over the phone here but marion is a town in indiana and you know you might want to do that she said you need to uh you know get on over here and come on and talk to me so he hopped in the car went and talked to her um it's described in the paper as this quote cummings listened to more of mrs schmidt's complaint as he sat at the wheel of his car and she stood in the roadway barefoot bug bitten and

talkative ew that's how you want to be if i told you that i met a girl on tinder and she showed up like that barefoot bug bitten and talkative i'd be like wow sorry god damn jimmy that's rough bro she didn't even bring shoes just didn't even bring any huh okay quote later the sheriff heard the story all over again in his office in sparta where mrs mrs schmidt made a statement while a tape recorder preserved all of all of her statements. So, quote, then she said she said that Larry Schmidt owed Buzz Stewart fifty dollars. That was what the whole beef was over. Not the whole you're fucking your wife thing.

It's that you owe me fifty dollars that I'm mad at you for fifty dollars. You're not mad at me for banging your wife for a straight year and then beating you up. My wife later or your wife. Yeah, your wife. I'm going to take her. But for now, your wife, $50. I'd like she said, I think you've taken that out of my wife. Fuck you.

Yeah, I think that's good. Yeah. Well, that's worry then. Al Swearengin would say that you've you've paid your bill yeah we were just talking about deadwood before the show is what i came up so she says here that uh yeah that's what was 50 dollars and buzz was asking for his money in pretty nasty terms she said quote we ran him off the place but he came back uh that saturday night she said quote he scared me to death walking around that big kitchen with a knife in his hand then she uh she said more she said quote my husband

came in and i put down his lunch pail and started to watch the late show i guess there was something on there you go uh the next thing i heard was a pounding in the bedroom. I heard my husband say, Louise, get the doctor. I ran into the bedroom and I heard my husband fall. He was holding his belly and trying to get up, though Buzz kept kicking him back to the floor. In the back, too, she says later on. After that, my husband didn't move no more. He bled to death on the floor. He didn't deserve to die like that.

No, that's really. I would think nobody really deserves it. Pretty awful death. Here's what I have to say. OK, so the guy you've been fucking for a year is at your house at midnight when your husband gets home. So what you do is put his lunch pail down and watch tv and let them talk about fifty dollars no right there i'm going but so you you your husband and this guy who's dudes they've been fighting and you're fucking them all this shit and you're just like i'm not i'm watching the late show i don't believe that at all between y'all no sorry first of all your story fails right there

i stop you before you even get into the fucking heart of the matter here so you don't even uh you don't even get involved in your eskimo brothers conversation not a drop not even a little bit apparently so and i said a drop on purpose. So there you go. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly.

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Chinook is available exclusively and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. She said, quote, Buzz dragged my husband out of the room and into the bathroom. He had a hatchet and a butcher knife and said he was going to cut him to pieces so the neighbors wouldn't see him.

He finally tumbled him down into the basement. So he said he pushed him down the basement stairs and he just rolled on down there. Wow. So that's keep, that'd be a lot of and also you're banging that body around. There's going to be a lot of... That's insuspect. And also, you're banging that body around. There's going to be a lot of marks and all sorts of shit like that.

So remember that. The other option would be she helped him carry the body down there. That would be... But then he wouldn't be covered in bruises. So we'll find out how bruised up this guy is later on. She then paused a moment to collect herself. Quote,

Next was Mother's Day, and my brother came to our house she said that uh quote i wanted to tell him but buzz was hiding in the closet buzz wound up cutting the arms and legs off my husband and he told me to look at them real good because it would be me next time yeah that's when she said also he put look at them when he dumped them on the kitchen table before hers so that's pretty disgusting she uh she also said that buzz then kidnapped her and her children who the kids weren't aware of anything that was going on she did say though quote although nancy the eight-year-old had a dream her pa had been killed maybe that you think maybe she woke up and saw something, Pa? She had a

dream? She certainly heard something. Yeah, something happened. She said, quote, and the first thing Buzz did when we reached Arkansas was to head for the woods where we had no food and we had to drink swamp water until me and the kids

got away from him while he slept and caught a bus. Gross. So they sat around, no food, drinking swamp water, being eaten by mosquitoes until he finally, two weeks later, he finally fell asleep, I guess. He's been up for two straight weeks and she's been able to escape with the kids. She's looking at her watch every day, all day. Yep, and you see her.

She stumbled out of the woods and right up to a bus station, right? That's what you're thinking in your head here. So we'll get into how she actually got to the bus station. It's a little bit different than she says. She also said that Buzz was evil. He's evil. I would say so. She said, quote, he would pick up my little boy,

and he would spank him and beat him. Then she said, quote, he thought he could molest Nancy, but I broke that up and I thought he was going to break my neck. Then the sheriff asked, did he molest you? And she said that I won't say. OK, so then she also said that both of the children are sick and her daughter's running a fever. And she said, quote, my feet are so swollen I can't even get my shoes on, which is why she's barefoot in the driveway. And she said, Larry wouldn't have wanted me to give in and I can't give in now. She said, I waited to talk to the sheriff because I was so scared.

I should have done something before now, but I couldn't take a chance on hurting those children. I couldn't have done anything about it anyway. So this poor woman has just been in a stumbled out of the woods barefoot and just right up to the bus station and took a bus. And it's, you know, really been through it. James, it's it's been a harrowing ordeal for her really has. So there is that. So what the sheriff does here is he calls Marion, Indiana, and he's like he says, quote, we got a gal down here who says that early in May, day before Mother's Day, and then recounts this whole story. So they go over to the house and they go into the basement where I'll let Dr. Lavingood. He says, quote, It was unbelievable. Larry Schmidt's death could have been caused by one stab wound through the heart and nothing else. But what he found was the body dismembered and divided into five pieces and three different parcels is the way he described it. Yeah. So the person who ended up going in there was the count, the Marion police,

a couple Marion police officers, the Grant County coroner, Dr. Russell Lavingood and Charles Brown, Charlie Brown. Yeah. Charlie Brown. By the way, I just heard that the guy who did the voice of Charlie Brown killed himself. I was like, oh, that's terrible. Recently? Yes. It was like yesterday. He was like 65 years old or something.

He killed himself. I was like, oh, that's terrible. He was a kid when he was doing Charlie Brown. I didn't even know that. No kidding. Yeah. It wasn't like an adult playing a kid. It was an actual kid back in the 60s.

That's amazing. Anyway, yeah. So the neighbor's name is Charles Brown, and he's a newspaper photographer, and they brought him in, too. Let's bring in. Can you imagine? Let's contaminate the crime scene with a neighbor, just some nosy asshole next door. And second, the fucking a newspaper photographer. The only person in town

with the camera get him here because they needed pictures that's what they said he had he had a camera how about get a fucking camera i know it's 1966 but you're a goddamn from him i don't know at this point there's 35 000 people in this town get a goddamn camera police force where are you fucking kidding me hasn't reached marion yet holy shit so they're all in there um they find schmidt dad died from a massive stab wound through the heart schmidt's arms and legs had been severed with a saw between the elbow and shoulder uh there so i'm not even on a joint wow does this guy never carved a fucking chicken or a turkey nothing nothing get the joints dude what are you doing jesus christ right through the bone and the the legs have been cut off at the

hips i assume there was probably at the joint but probably did the arms first and then was like this is fuck oh shit this there's like a ball it's like an action figure when you pop the leg off i see how that works g.i. joe was so much easier when you pulled that rubber band spot jesus them he-men you just popped them off pop them right back on they said uh the severed arms had been wrapped in a rag and placed near the lower part of the body and the legs had been quote tossed aside what not even so he just left him in the basement did he wrapped the arms up and was like jesus what a pain fuck these legs and just threw him like just threw him aside a little more work than i thought

jeez and he was wearing a the body larry's body was wearing only a pair of shorts so he kept his shorts on him so um yeah so she's saying killed my my husband, used a butcher knife, hacksaw blade, and an axe to dismember the body. Oh, lordy, lordy, lordy. So they said that they found, they end up, and we'll find out how, they end up finding in Arkansas a hacksaw blade believed to be used in the dismemberment, still with blood on it. So that's good. Now, they're looking for Buzz. Buzz is still gone. He's still in the swamps. Think with blood on it so that's good now they're looking for buzz buzz is still gone he's still in the swamps think about that they got her so um this is right from the paper here quote when word reached sheriff rw richardson down in curtis arkansas that buzz stewart was wanted for murder you could have knocked the sheriff over with a feather. Richardson owned land next to Pearl Stewart's and had watched Buzz grow up.

They said that most of the neighbors said you couldn't have found a nicer guy than Buzz in the whole county. He's the county's nicest boy. He won a contest for county's most congenial in the county. Is this just a town full of bullies? How is that the nicest man they've they've fucking churned out nicest man in town here's a direct quote from the sheriff quote never did a wrong thing in his life set maybe a little poaching and it's set it says like they really finesse yeah with a fucking apostrophe there except a little poaching he was a great fellow with a

rod and gun and he went off to live in the north and work in a factory he went off to live in the north off in the north indiana wow and continue poaching other dude's wives that son of a bitch oh he's a poaching he's a wife poacher he's a deer poacher in the off season sometimes he'll poach a deer's wife he'll do that he'll shoot the deer and fuck its wife over and over again he likes to do that a lot he fucked my wife but he did it in a real respectful way you know what i mean he didn't wasn't mean about it treated her right no bruises on her ass nicest man so think about what i as the sheriff have done i've done some pretty bad shit i've tied people to trees in the swamps so animals will eat them

i mean that's just me though i'm you know he's a nice man to the skaters oh my goodness so he said that he's known the family for 26 years and never ever knew of of buzz being in trouble he said quote not so much as paying a fine for anything in clark county not even nothing he's just a perfectly he's a gentleman is really what he is uh the father's quote highly respected and mother was the former postmaster so they said jesus in spite of his past you know the sheriff did have to go try to find him you know now he's a good kid never mind that next next theory like he couldn't just say that he had to go find him so he went to the farmhouse the stewart's farmhouse talked to pearl yeah and uh he sees pearl and uh pearls there he's called him this is a quote, Pappy Stewart wasn't surprised to see

the sheriff. Why wasn't he surprised? Why wasn't Pappy surprised? Because he knew that Buzz was in trouble. How did he know? Because fucking Buzz told him. He said he knew it from Christine, his daughter-in-law, who arrived from Marion

with all of their children a few days before that. Before all this happened, he also even knew that Louise was down there as well. He knew it all. He said, quote, I drove her and the kids to Arkadelphia. I put them on a bus going away from here. Good riddance. And he called her a Jezebel.

He called her a Jezebel. What? He called her a Jezebel. Holy shit. He called her a Jezebel. He said, good riddance to that Jezebel. He called her a Jezebel, which is hilarious. But yeah, he drove. That's how she got to the bus station was the father. Buzz's dad drove her there.

Yeah. He had to alleviate his boy of this problem yep and he so but he knew buzz was in the swamps he knew that she was there he drove her imagine that he drove her while the daughter-in-law is sitting there with the three kids in your living room hold on i gotta drive a mosquito bitten fucking woman and her children that your husband's also banging i gotta drive them to a bus station so so those four came with them too no the the his wife christine and buzz's three kids came down once buzz was gone for a week holy they didn't know where he was so they just left and came and stayed

with the with the parents with his parents at the farmhouse saying i don't know where the fuck buzz is yeah so then uh yeah so then she then uh uh what you know about a mile from here down in the lower the bottom swamp the swampy bottom lands gross so yeah he was um uh then he asked uh the uh he was asked by the sheriff if Buzz was sneaking out, has been around there today. And old Pearl Stewart said, quote, he didn't really know where he's going. But he said, quote, if he's heading back to the swamps, you'll never catch him. He knows them swamps good as anybody. Yeah. He knows them.

Yeah. He knows the Arkadelphia swamps good as anybody. So it's also, well, I don't think Brian Laundrie didn't arkadelphia swamps good as anybody so it's also well i don't think brian laundry didn't know any swamps he was in a he knew those florida swamps though didn't he i i don't know he died out there is that knowing it i don't know he knew that particularly they said he knew it i don't know he looked like a tool i feel like he doesn't know he's the type of guy who'd be like i know karate i know this i know. You know what I'm saying? I met this movie star.

Like, fuck you, bro. That guy wouldn't drink out of a... Okay. And obviously, murder aside, we're going to concentrate. That asshole, he's in a fucking 95 degree weather and the cops offered him a bottle of water and he said, no, I don't drink out of plastic. I'm going to wait until... You're going to die in the dump truck. They should have beaten him to death with a bottle of water right there what a little plastic in your body you mother fucker open your

mouth i'm gonna piss in it how's that do you drink from cocks because that's what you get next you son of a bitch and fucking hippie asshole sorry i care about the environment fine to care about the environment i won't drink no no it wasn't an environmental the plastics it's pcbs and poison in my body you're gonna die from the heat that's a right now threat motherfucker i get you don't like to normally yeah i like those metal bottles and shit too those are great yeah but if you're dying in the desert of heat exhaustion and someone goes to the environment bottle of water fucking drink it stupid the heat's gonna kill you before whatever's in there dummy so yeah that was a sorry to get off the the course here

but i hate taking a couple of swings. It isn't so bad. He's such a fucking tool, man. I hate that guy. Well, he's dead, so who cares? But still, tool. So anyway, this point they get county and state law officers. They can't just send sheriff neighbor guy out here looking for him. FBI gets involved. Yeah. Police dogs volunteer.

They, quote, rounded up a posse, Jimmy. Manhunt. Manhunt. All in the swamps, rounded up a posse, Jimmy. Manhunt. Manhunt. All in the swamps, in the swamplands here. He is reportedly armed with a high-powered rifle with a scope, a hunting knife, and a.45 caliber pistol is what they know to have. So he's like, it's first blood at this point. He's fucking Rambo out here now. Yeah, but you've also got the FBI and all these agencies looking.

They are pissed now that you're making them go through the swamp. It's the end of May in Arkansas and you're traipsing through a fucking swamp. You don't need those weapons to make us want to. Every itch, every time you scratch, you're like, I'm going to beat this guy to death when itch every time you scratch you're like i'm gonna beat this guy to death when we find him you know that i'm gonna fucking t-bag him for about an hour there's gonna be a gunfight i'm gonna be so mad as soon as i see his fucking face my stinky sweaty disgusting fucking nasty balmy balls i'm gonna bounce them off his forehead for an hour when we find this fucking guy.

But you like that? That's what you did. Hundreds of men traipsing through the swamp are thinking that exact same thing. Come on. It's a big teabag line set up for him. How am I going to beat this man's ass? Good God. So, by the way, we find out that earlier in the day, he had come to the house and left like the sheriff thought he did.

He left after holding six members of his family in the farmhouse. Because they said, let's just call the cops. And he said, no. Pearl, according to Pearl here, the father, he threatened his father and his mother, his wife, his three children, and his, quote, invalid sister. A woman? Threatened them all. Wow. And then left.

They were all at the house, then took off. So the posse's after him. They have bloodhounds brought in from the Arkansas State Penitentiary. The first day of the search, he's seen three times, and he gets away. They see him, fucking lay eyes on him, and he gets away three times. And then the dogs picked up and lost his scent several times because it's the swamps. So he steps in the water. It's gone.

He's over here. So they also said they would not disclose any information about the manhunt at the time because it would help him if he had a broadcast. He said, quote, we know he had a radio. He may still have it. We don't want him to know what we're doing. Fair enough. So anyway, at this point, you know, they're trying to find him. They can't fucking find him.

The story comes out because she's now back home. And the story comes out that she was in the swamplands and all this type of shit. And everyone's like, oh, my God, what a harrowing tale. So two days later, they're looking for him that day. Two days later, 6.09 p.m. in a pasture two miles west of Curtis, Arkansas. It's the ranch of the ranch. It's foreman of the foreman of the they're on all these ranches. And the foreman of a ranch saw Stewart and called the cops.

He just saw some straggly guy on his property and called the cops. So they started to close in on the area they used bloodhounds and everything like that to try to try to do that they yelled out quote we don't want to hurt you i want to ask you to lay your rifle down and so this this cop actually put his own gun in his car and was like i don't have a gun on me you don't have a gun on you we'll just me and you talk about it and we'll go we'll leave what okay that's a crazy thing to do so this is when they located him he said that stewart then buzz uh was he had all of his weapons and he took his rifle and he leaned it up against a tree and just put it there he just put stewart buzz he was done he

was done he just the guy said put your guns down and come with me and he went all right and just put it there he just put stewart buzz he was done he was done he just the guy said put your guns down and come with me and he went all right and he put his rifle down leaned it on a tree the cop said quote i asked him for his sidearm and he gave it to me so he just here you go give me your gun he was like okay here you go sorry sorry y'all please don't t-bag me for like a long time just a little bit of teabagging i heard what happens on these i'm tired too i regret this this was a bad idea to run through here that's no shit um he had broken toes had infections from tons of bites from all sorts of insects all over him so he had like all sorts of skin infections yeah um he apparently like something was wrong with his leg from some kind of exposure

some kind of infection he suffered he was in the middle of a bout of bronchitis and he had his hand bandaged from a broken hand that he got working in the factory before he left so by the way he's got injury he didn't report it's hard to kill and dismember a guy by yourself with a broken hand with one of your hands broken just saying you'd have to when you're if you're gonna dismember someone unless you have like a full setup with a vice grip and all this type of shit someone's got to hold that motherfucker down pretty tight and one hand it'd be hard i know you could put your knee on it but still he was 235 pounds by the way three weeks ago when this whole thing started he's down to 185 pounds oh wow that's

a hell of a diet whether he's completely dehydrated too if you get him hydrated it'll probably be 193 just in i'm not even kidding in water liquid yeah he's like a boxer who's weighing in before a fight so um they saw i guess stewart and the highway patrolman saw each other uh almost at the same time they like made eye contact like oh shit here we are he fled he and ran almost into the arms of the other guy he like almost ran into the other guy and the other guy was like i don't even have my gun i'm not even gonna pull it out put your gun down let's just go and he said that uh stewart said to him quote i'm tired and i'm ready to quit and he put his rifle against the tree and he said give me your sidearm and he did he described him as quote wearing a blue cap dirty blue shirt a pair of

black pants that were muddy and wet and torn tennis shoes. And he's told them he'd been surviving mostly on cans of pork and beans. Gross. That is rough times, man. I love pork and beans. I'll eat a pork and bean any time, but not in the swamp. Not for two weeks. Not in the swamp for two weeks. How you been opening those cans, sir, with your teeth?

I guess he might have had an opener. I'm sure he had a little bag with him. I guess he had a knife. But still's a nightmare oh man so far they said that uh when they at the time they said quote come on out buzz because he dined a duct into the bushes come on out buzz we got you covered we don't aim to hurt you none just want to ask you a few questions ain't aiming to hurt you none so he was they said quote buzz stepped out of his swamp thicket hiding place threw his handgun on the ground stood his rifle against a tree and surrendered with no trouble at all uh right away he said i didn't kill or cut up nobody

what how'd you know about that i said i hadn't kidnapped no woman neither that ain't me y'all know me that ain't that kind of guy so nicest man y'all ever turned out i'm perfect down here just poaching he said uh that two officers came to arkansas from indiana to take him back uh but he won't leave right away as we'll talk about. All of the Stewart family friends told him not to worry, that everything's going to be all right. And her father said, quote, his father said, quote, that Jezebel's going to get hers. Jesus, man.

And his father hired him a lawyer, a Travis Mathis of Arkadelphia, Arkadelphia's finest legal mind here, I'm sure, to look after Buzz's interests, as he put it. So he's even got a pay lawyer, as they say. Yeah, he doesn't even do an man. He said, I didn't kill Mrs. Schmidt's husband. He said, I was in the house when he died, though. They said, they said, well, does the widow have anything to do with it and you know what his answer was hell yes no i'm gonna give you three three guesses hell yes she did it all or uh i'm not sure uh possibly i was close i'm not sure you were in the house bro if you're the only okay if

there's three adults in the house one of them's dead and butchered and you didn't do it what are you gonna say probably the other person it was either probably damn kids them damn kids those kids are bad they're bad i'm not gonna lie they're bad they don't listen get in trouble at school all the time they could have done this one needs a beating i was doling it out then he says quote i've lost faith in mankind that's his quote quote i've lost faith in mankind i tried to help a friend and they turn around stab me in the back that's what he said he's like i'm just trying to help a lady out she's just a friend of mine and then she's going saying i did everything this is crazy this is ridiculous so um wow and then he said quote i'm innocent and i don't know how to prove it how do i prove it to

y'all she's a criminal mastermind she put it all on me it's fucking moron so uh he did say that he would fight extradition one if they want to take him away because he said i'm not going till i have to yeah i'm gonna stay right here jesus this fucking guy it gets better with this guy the sheriff down there ended up getting an axe a hacksaw pliers and a screwdriver that they found in the swamps with blood all over them and shit like that once they looked around where he was he said we may be able to send the whole package to indiana to let them do the examination we don't want it shit we don't even have a camera for christ's sake oh that's marion yeah so never mind there's blood all over this shit it's useless it's disgusting i was looking for a nice new hacksaw but i don't think this is the one

doesn't have a lifetime warranty no no hell no so the the sheriff also said that Stewart told him where the car that he and Louise drove for Marion to Arkansas was hidden. The sheriff said the auto was burned and that Stewart said he'd burned it at Louise's request. She said, torch it, torch it all. They did disassemble it together. Stevenson also quoted Stewart as saying the woman wanted to leave no clue to their whereabouts. She wanted to disappear into the swamps forever. She almost did. They almost died there.

No shit. They said a search of the church where the two had hidden at one point is where they found the weapons. Uh, the, the ax and the hacksaw and all that shit with blood on them. I guess they had hit out in an abandoned church at one point or like an old church. Stuart was captured. This is two miles from his dad's home, the farm there, and also the sheriff's house, two miles from that. That sucks if you're going into hiding and you happen to live next to the sheriff. You're like, God damn it.

My house is a terrible place for this. Right there. That's not easy at all the sheriff said quote i watched that boy grow up something went wrong that boy never paid a fine that i know of and his folks are just shocked okay shocked he said that uh buzz said that he talked uh he he's the one that talked louise going back to her parents' house. He said, you got to get out of here. He said, quote, she would not have made it here in Arkadelphia.

The children would have died. Sure. Well, you're living in a swamp. Anybody would fucking die. Arkadelphia has everything. Forever. Fucking swamp. You don't have shelter.

Or food or anything or even like a population center to try to get those things from you're living in a fucking swamp dude unless you're wesley you can't thrive in the swamp and even barely made it out barely and that's well there are there are no uh rodents of unusual size here so there is that that's gonna help a lot i would say imagine if you put rodents of unusual size into the whole thing forget it this is a completely different fucking up in arkansas james there are certainly rodents of unusual size probably the same way they pop out of the ground with smoke and shit and try to bite you giant rats the only difference between those and the ones in the movie are that those ones are uh

fireproof you can't you can't light them on fire so we're talking about the princess bride in case you don't know and also if you don't know shame on you go how dare you watch the princess bride it's terrific so anyway he says that uh you know at this point he says we weren't lovers or we didn't plot a murder and we we never even hooked up i don't know i was just helping a friend of mine which so far all the other things he said he didn't do he did so he did yeah he also uh says that he knows how old larry was killed but he didn't see the slaying nor understand why he was killed he said that he'll give a full account in court though don't you worry about that once we get to court buddy it's all on so they found like i said they found the car they found all that shit um the he said that it was burned when louise asked him to quote i shouldn't

have taken them down here i know better but she wanted to she wanted to he said he borrowed 45 dollars from his father to send to louise to uh to send to get louise to marry him for the bus tickets. And he said to, quote, give herself up. He said, take this money, go back there, and just turn yourself in. You've done a horrible thing. You know, this is terrible. They'll stop looking for me, I'm sure, once that's good. So he went to jail, undergoes four hours of questioning, does Buzz here,

and a polygraph test, by the way um well he passed the lie detector test was administered by state police in indianapolis so this wasn't like four guys sitting around going i don't know how it works i've plugged it in i've turned oh man is it oh do we need ink or how does this work now? I don't know how this thing. It's actually, you know, professional police officers are doing this, I assume. They didn't, like, put all the shit on them and then ask him the questions. Yeah. It says I'm telling the truth.

I am a police officer and I am going to administer a lie detector test. That's true. That's all right. That's good. Only one question though so he said that uh they this is they said that it quote substantiated his story of the slaying of larry schmidt um his attorney uh there said that uh he did the polygraph test with the police there and it bore out the story he first told authorities when he was arrested that louise had killed her husband the lawyer said that buzz did not know the body had been dismembered until

the police told him in arkadelphia and he passed the polygraph saying that okay he said he didn't know it was dismembered at all i didn't know fucking shit about that the uh the police down there said stewart was quote and apparently an accessory after the fact of the murder in that he knew of the murder uh helped carry the body to the basement and aided the woman to escape but that was his only role um stewart was quote this is what his lawyer says quote guilty of acting like a foolish frightened young young man. Jesus, I love how they frame people. He said he hoped the lie detector test would lead to at least a reduced charge against him because he doesn't deserve murder charges for accessory after the fact.

Nicest guy I've ever met. Nicest guy. I mean, he'll even help you with a body. I mean, we always send a true friend to help you move a body. That's a true friend right there. That's all'm saying he wouldn't even good guy went out of his way to bang a neglected wife what a sweetheart of a man what a sweetheart so he has one consistent story that passes a polygraph yeah there is that okay now uh she when she gets back to marion she as you assume taken right into custody right no no no she's back to Marion, she, as you assume, taken right into custody, right? No, no, no.

She's taken to her brother's home for the night to relax and rest up. The police put her? Police put her there, yeah. Wow. She's supposed to just come back to the police station the next day and talk about it a little bit and find out some stuff here. James, she's been hospitalized. This could give her a nervous breakdown. No fucking shit.

Yeah, really. She could have a nervous breakdown at any minute. Start tearing her hair out. We had a kid or do a brother's house. So July 9th, 1967, she actually does have a nervous breakdown during this. Yeah, she does. July 9th, 1967. This is the this is the story. This is in the newspaper.

Quote, this is an ape. This is in the newspaper. Quote. This is in every fucking newspaper in America. This is in. Quote. The door closed upon the three sheet-wrapped packages tossed haphazardly onto the dirt floor of the cellar. And the married mistress of the house rode away with her married lover in the car. Chattering in the back seat were her two children by a previous marriage. chattering in the back seat were her two children by a previous marriage. Was the woman gay and lighthearted at the start of this extramarital honeymoon beside the gaunt bearded man with whom she had carried on a not so secret affair for

with for more than a year? Were the children giggling over this unexpected trip from their home on East Grand Street in Marion, Indiana, to a swampland near Curtis, Arkansas? The woman has answered no to both questions. The state of Indiana has answered yes. Oh, man. They said, next up, next paragraph, and this is a good introduction as any to the case of Edith Louise Schmidt,

who will be remembered as either Indiana's most heartless murderess of 1966 or a frightened, misunderstood widow whom society treated all too harshly. Now, the day before that's later on the day she gets back, the police are like she's going to get she's going to get questioned. They're pretty sure they're going to arrest her because they know about the lie detector results and all that kind of shit. Instead, though, the newspaper doesn't know that so the newspaper shows up here roll your chair over here i gotta fuck i'll move this over look at what they post up here oh my picture of her with her two kids kids yeah who's that quote i think it's her mom in the background quote their ordeal is over that's what it it says. This is like they were rescued. It's like a fluff piece. Mrs. Louise Schmidt poses with her children, Nancy and Jimmy, before leaving for Marion to help prosecute the man she says killed her husband and held them captive for two weeks.

Larry Lee Schmidt was found slayed and dismembered in Marion after Mrs. Schmidt escaped from her captor and returned to her parents' home. after mrs schmidt escaped from her captor and returned to her parents home the murder charge was filed in marion against glenn stewart believed to be in the arkadelphia arkansas area where mrs schmidt and her children escaped from thursday it is a fascinating thing how they can just make a story so rosy anything the same right in the same uh paper this same day woman says she and children held captive by killer who dismembered her husband. She's quoted in here as saying quote he picked up a butcher knife and walked around the house with it. He had me scared to death before Larry got home. When Larry got there they went into a bedroom and I heard some pounding. I heard my husband shout Lou call the doctor and i ran to

the head of the bedroom but the but the man locked knocked me back now he's not even buzz he's the man the man yeah some some guy yeah and then it was larry we bled to death and all that sort of thing and she said that uh talked about the parts of him you know on the table and all that shit she told the press all of that stuff wow and um yeah it makes sense so uh buzz's daddy here pearl stewart yeah uh he says that uh he told the cops initially about seeing quote that woman and her kids out there in the woods god he hates her um hates her jesus christ he told the police quote that woman could have escaped uh had she wanted to while buzz was visiting his daddy she's like he's like he came and visited me all the time she

could have escaped anytime she wanted to couldn't take her in you know because his wife and kids were also fucking there would have been a little little weird um he said that i was i'm the one who drove her to the goddamn fucking thing i She could have left any time she wanted. Buzz knew she was going with me. Buzz said, hey, take her to the bus station. What are you talking about? So what they do is they arrest Louise. Okay.

They arrest her. Why is she arrested, you may ask? I mean, her story is as believable as anybody's, right? As believable as his? It is. The problem is he only has one story. She has four when she sits down with the cops. This is the thing.

When you sit down on a murder interrogation, you need to have a consistency. Whatever that fucking story is, whether it's whatever it is, you can't say the same one over and over and over. Yeah. You can't go, yeah, no, maybe I did that. Well, now it's all start from the beginning again. It's all over. So she has four. The Grant County prosecutor here was talking about all this.

She comes in. She's taken to an interrogation room. It's eight by 12, has a wooden table, two or three folding chairs. interrogation room it's 8 by 12 has a wooden table two or three folding chairs uh the room has an accord a recorder in another room with a mic the you know the room's mic the recorder's in another room so they could tape conversations which is actually pretty forward for 1966 that was that didn't we do cases in the 90s where they didn't record the shit yet right are they somebody writing that's really what it is so um he told her that she might be a suspect and read her her rights because if you if you are a suspect you have to be read your rights not if you're not just a witness she's so right

away she knows she's not a witness she knows she might be a suspect she's told you know rights to all that kind of shit rights to everything she she said against her, against anything you say against yourself, all that. She stated she did not need the services of an attorney, and she was happy to talk. I'm a witness. What are you talking about? I'm happy to tell you everything and help you solve your case here.

So the chief of police started the recording equipment about 2 p.m., and they sent for the prosecutor who came in the interrogation room with his secretary, I guess, to write it down or whatever the fuck. And they asked her if she would give a typed statement. She told him she would. You know, you dictate a statement. So the statement was typed and the prosecutor said that they had numerous questions. Later on, she ends up signing a type statement.

Now, four tapes were taken during the interview. So one time she didn't know they were tape recording her. Okay. Then apparently she changed her story. The fight of it was over a debt. That was her second or third story. She said they were mad. Something was going on uh

whatever and then finally she said okay yes i did have an affair with buzz i had an affair but the but the killing was over 50 not over the fact that i was fucking him and then he was mad you know not over any of that it's obviously 50 it was him a lot of money. Yeah, that's what it is. She also said that Buzz had planned Larry's murder several days before it happened. Remember, they went to the... She said she even accompanied him to the store where they bought dismemberment tools

two days before this even happened. She said, though, she knew about it. This is her third story. She's like, I knew about it. He was talking about it, and first I didn't think it was going to happen. That's her third. Then her fourth story was she knew about it. This is her third story. She's like, I knew about it. He was talking about it. And first I didn't think it was going to happen. That's her third. Then her fourth story was she knew about it, but then she backed out of the plan because she thought it was a terrible idea.

Obviously, or kill my husband and cut him up. She said, though, she was hauled back into it by buzz and his threats. She was, he started threatening her. She said the threats were the reason she didn't

tell anyone about the plan before it was fulfilled you know she could have just stopped it and called the cops and said yeah you know hang out at my house about this time on this day there's going to be a guy coming over with a hacksaw to chop my husband into pieces maybe intercept him and gradually little by little james she has made herself more guilty yeah well little by little she's at least right now a conspirator and an interrogation that's what it does though because first you'll have your bullshit story and then we'll go well what about this and what about this and what about this and then you have to rectify those things and make them right so then you change your story a little bit oh well yeah i was there but i didn't see anything because i was over here and there

was that but yeah no okay yeah so we had an, but really it was over $50, you know, little by little. And by the fourth time you're telling the story, you've added like 10 things and they've got you to say other things and it becomes completely different. So she said she kept silent for so long because she was so scared. She was afraid of what she called the quote ugly ferocious man ugly and ferocious buzz afraid of him uh she said i was afraid not only he was going to kill me but he'd obviously kill my kids too obviously she's crying and crying and the uh prosecutors not impressed and they bring in first degree murder indictments against her. So there you go.

She said that she entered her home on the night of the slaying. She said, quote, we ran him off the day before this happened, but he came back that night. And then he talked about scared me to death and all that. Lou, get the doctor. She said he just tumbled into the basement. The chief of

police in Marion said that she's going to be charged with murder because she's changed her statement that's why and uh he the her attorney says that she did not sign a statement even though that he she says he did it's a weird thing um so louise's lawyer patrick and ryan appointed by the, she's got a public defender. Keep that in mind, too. Pay lawyer, she's got a public defender. He said that she's, quote, not a Jezebel, but, quote, a poor, frightened, uneducated girl caught in a swirl of Buzz's unsolicited passion and utterly incapable of handling a situation which the lover allowed to go from bad to worse that's one way of putting it um i don't know if that's uh anyone's gonna believe

it but you can try it it's it's flowery dummy james and she's incapable of getting out of uh what this man's unbelievable silver tongue clutches did you say big dummy no you mean poor frightened uneducated girl who's quote caught in a swirl of someone's unsolicited passion, Jimmy. Jesus. It's like, what, were you born fucking yesterday? You've never seen a girl caught in a swirl of unsolicited passion before? This is what it fucking looks like. What do I have to keep telling people?

It's not her passion. It's his. And he just wants to fuck and she has to do it. I've got gotta keep fucking telling these people about unsolicited passion they never understand it's that's murder that's how it goes so she says uh at one point during the questioning she collapsed collapsed and uh you know full of just tears and everything else uh she said she told reporters that she was on the verge, or her lawyer told reporters,

that she was on the verge, she's in a trance, and on the verge of a nervous breakdown, brought on by tension and lack of food. And he also said that his client would never ever get a fair trial in Grant County, and he does get a change of venue. And so, yeah, she's also going to have a separate trial because they county and he does get a change of venue and uh so yeah she's also going

to have a separate trial because they want buzz to testify against her right because you know they believe him because he passed the lie detector so buzz at this point rather than get tried he is moved to a hospital he's put in a hospital at first here mental hospital uh he's ordered at some point returned a few weeks later to the grant county jail uh he had been taken to the uh then well he was in the mental hospital then they put him back in the jail after a reported escape attempt so they put him back in there uh but his lawyer told the court that he had proof that he wasn't involved in the escape attempt and blah blah blah blah blah so um yeah it's pretty fucking crazy um so they end up letting him out of jail back into the mental institution for a while then he goes back to

county jail again he's going back and fucking forth uh at one point so um once her trial comes up everyone's going why is his name not on the witness list it's not on the witness list because at that point he's at Beatty Memorial Hospital in Westville Indiana for tests to determine whether he was capable of testifying or standing trial they're not even sure if he's competent they're not even sure if he's competent? They're not even sure if he's competent. At this point, okay, here it is, Jimmy. During the trial, they said, why can't we hear from the other guy? Okay. Stewart, his trial is going to be super delayed. He can't testify because he had to be taken crying from court.

Crying, screaming, reading a Bible, and not recognizing his lawyer at the state hospital and they are not recognizing his lawyer he went completely bat shit like the deadwood reverend like completely nuts just spouting shit off in the streets about jesus doesn't know what's going on get that dildo he needs he's hysterical he's clearly hysterical get him a dildo cheer up dick so the they take him to the hospital and he is given a label oh great this is a medical and then translates to a legal classification of what's wrong with him i can't wait for this and i quote buzz stewart is grossly insane that's the greatest thing i've ever grossly insane not just insane yeah grossly insane he is he wears his brain on the outside of his head. He's so insane. Grossly insane.

If you say that, I picture somebody who's literally screaming. They got their tongue out. They're hitting themselves on top of the head with a pot and pan. And they're like, I poop my pants. Yeah, there's poo everywhere. Running into walls and shit. And they're throwing poop at you. And peeing for distance and shit. Like, how far can I get it?

And they're just shooting it out grossly insane is amazing grossly so louise's attorney at this point says quote i'm more convinced than ever than ever that my client is completely innocent completely he quoted the children as saying that quote stewart was mean to Well, he must have murdered and chopped a guy up then. He was mean to a five-year-old. This is a gift to her, though. Yeah, that is true. He said that Nancy, the girl, told him that Stuart, quote, whipped me and Jimmy with a stick because we wouldn't walk fast enough in the woods.

And he bought some potato chips and meat once, but he ate them all and we were hungry right in front of us right in front of him he's like this is some good spam right here buddy that's probably what it was yeah something in a can roast oh my god uh both children which would be horrible if that's true both children said that stewart was a frequent visitor to the Schmidt home when he went back home and Marion and that the their mother often said that she was scared of him. That's what the children say. The children said they knew nothing at first of the father's murder. But when coaxed by their grandfather, they said, quote, Mommy told me that Stewart stabbed Daddy and cut his arms and legs off. She told me not to tell anybody because Buzz would kill me, too.

Mommy was shaking when she told me because she was scared of Buzz. Why would you tell an eight-year-old that? That's crazy. Why would an eight-year-old say she doesn't know and then she knows that? Yeah. Mommy said Daddy's arms and legs got cut. I could say Daddy's in heaven or whatever. You don't have to say that we dismembered in the basement and here's how the Jesus Christ.

So anyway, that's an eight year old doesn't even know that those come off. No, that's what I mean. You cut them off. How'd you do that? Now they're say they're going to put Nancy on the fucking stand. The prosecution wants to put Nancy on the stand to talk about the whole ordeal. It's horrifying. That's child abuse.

So Lonnie pops up. Remember Lonnie? Dad. Yeah. Lonnie pops up. At one point they say, oh, the little girl's not going to be able to testify because she's ill and had to be taken to the hospital. That wasn't true.

That's just a story that they told for the newspapers because in reality, Lonnie showed up and said, I'm taking my fucking kids and we're getting the fuck out of this place you're not putting my fucking eight-year-old little girl in a murder trial on the stand everybody staring at her writing shit in the newspaper about her we're gonna disappear you ain't gonna fucking hear from her again later that's what he did so dad did that which is great I mean he stepped up but I don't know what happened to dad because we'll talk about the kids in a minute. So Buzz's wife is at the trial. Louise's trial.

Buzz's wife's there. Christine. His parents are there. The ones calling her a Jezebel. Yeah. Quote, they come to see justice done to that Jezebel. That's what they say. It's an eight-man, four-woman jury there.

So the one thing is they want to admit the recordings, and the defense is obviously trying to get the recordings not admitted. Because if you hear a person on audio tapes tell four straight different stories, you're not going to believe a word they say anymore. Pretty easy to discount anything she says. Yeah. In the newspaper, i love how they described this quote in a drawl so thick you could cut it with a knife sheriff cummings told how he

first came to listen to schmidt's complaint that's amazing so the judge ends up admitting tape recordings from from sparta that she made telling about all this um they said uh they were wondering if her civil rights had been invaded and had she known the tapes were being made, and if not, could they be submitted as evidence? Yeah, they said that she had been informed of her rights before her statements, but they didn't know it was being taped until after. The cops said, we didn't know it was being taped until we took a break

and went and got coffee and saw the recorder was running in the next room. So then they said they re-informed her of her rights and told her that there was a tape recorder and redid the whole thing. And then she came back with a different story then. Is it recorded now? Take two. Take two. And then she told three more different stories. Another thing here is pictures.

more different stories another thing here is pictures the pictures taken because they're taken by a neighbor or photographer and not a crime scene person they're saying whether they can whether they're relevant or not but i mean in my cousin vinnie mona lisa vito took the picture of the tire track good point all he did was go over and go can we agree on this picture the tire track and the prosecutor said okay and he said i'm submitted as evidence it's in this is not happening so um they should have mona lisa veto there anyway her attorney argued that the pictures were inflammatory nine were admitted one showed uh the torso with a stab wound in the chest the doctor that did the autopsy uh testified about the you the stab wound to the heart. And he also said, and this is very important, Schmidt had no bruises on his back, no bruises on his ribs, no bruises on his midsection, no kicks, no tumbles down basement steps, no kicking in the back until, because she said he must, because they said his toes were

broken, buzzes. And she said that's from kicking him in the back so hard and causing no bruises whatsoever. No marks, no contusions. Tore his tennis shoes kicking him. Right through there. So anyway, no back bruises. And in every story she told, the one consistent thing was that Stewart was repeatedly kicking him in the back until he stopped moving and then tumbled him down the stairs which would cause more bruising all over

the place also didn't exist these facts point to uh this is much more horrible than that oh this is way worse yeah this is worse like calculated one stab wound in the right spot bleed out and then we both move him here's what i think happened you want my fucking uh i'll wait till the end i'll give you my theory okay uh because i have a theory i'm sure you have a theory yeah so on cross examination um of this person the defense attorney tried to minimize all of this by showing that Larry was 200 pounds. That's way too strong to be stabbed by his, quote, frail little wife. She couldn't have stabbed him in the heart. That couldn't happen. The doctor completely disagreed. Doctor said, oh, no, yeah, you can say anybody could stab anybody in the heart. I mean,

she weighs like 120 pounds. She could definitely get a knife in somebody. It's pretty easy. she weighs like 120 pounds she could definitely get a knife in somebody it's pretty easy not hard they also said uh the defense attorney also said that he intended to call the daughter and that's when that didn't happen here so um like we said lonnie goodwin took them uh to albany indiana and took them away so i swear to god fucking town is somewhere to god albany indiana is dying at that in my fucking head so louise gets on the stand with the jury not there i don't know how this works whatever how the fuck they ended up doing that but she's testifying without a jury yeah i don't know if it's like a i don't know how that's that's i don't know how that that's possible but they're doing that i don't know if they made some kind of deal that the jury would be given the transcript,

but still you have to be able to read somebody. So they said that you could have had an attorney or refused to make a statement. They read you your rights four times, and you could have done that. She said, quote, I just don't understand things like that. That's what she said on the stand. And the prosecutor said, quote, I just don't understand things like that. That's what she said on the stand. And the prosecutor said, things like what? And she said, like lawyer statements and things like lawyer statements and things. Yeah, that's very fucking interesting.

So she she said she was I voluntarily I, I volunteered for questions, for questioning. Yeah, because you had to set up your story too. So they admit all the tapes and then to the embarrassment of the court because they get all, these tapes are like a two-day thing and we're going to hear the tapes. It was like the Watergate tapes. It was like Nixon. We're going to hear the tapes and then the tape recorder didn't work. God damn it. So they had to go have it repaired

and uh brought back in one of the tapes was inaudible to due to background noise there's something wrong with it uh one of them was garbled and two of them were crystal clear and uh she in these tapes she gave two completely different versions of what happened uh the only thing that was the same was that buzz is a bad guy and he dominated me and everything we did yeah so um they said when they were talking about the tapes he said quote at the start of questioning they didn't tell you that you could have you know that you didn't have to talk to them at all and she said no and they said didn't they tell you that you could be quiet and keep your mouth shut they

wanted you to answer questions did they tell you that at the beginning anything you say could be used against you in court and she said after i signed the statement but they have tape recordings of her being read her rights before that and saying yes i understand so yeah they said um they didn't say that anything you say could be used against you in court she said no they didn't and they didn't say you had the right to talk to a lawyer. They told me that the judge would appoint me a lawyer. Did they say that when they said, as she said, they didn't give me a specific time or date. No.

And they didn't tell me what time or date it was, but they said I could talk to a lawyer. I don't know what day it was. It's just double talk they said and then they ask her did they tell you that if you didn't have the money to hire a lawyer at the state of indiana would get you a lawyer would furnish you one she said this i didn't know till after i signed the statement i didn't know if i had to hire one or anything that's in the rights that's in the rights form um literally says it literally that's like one of one of the first fucking things they say right so uh they stepped kept asking her over and over so they didn't tell you you could have a lawyer present

during questioning and they she said no not at all which is not true so the state rested and once the state rests the defense you know it's their time to present a case they stand up and go your honor i'd like to make a motion for acquittal right now literally on the grounds of insufficient evidence let's just dismiss this and get out of here obviously there's not enough this is ridiculous the judge went are you out of your fucking mind stupid no present something statement let's go yeah present something or get your closing ready so they bring in joyce plumber the manager of a spiegel catalog shopping center in marion remember spiegel they had those catalogs with a bunch of shit merchandise in them no you get like a like a silver plated id bracelet in there and shit like that like a bunch of crap and like a

a fancy pen that you could have shit engraved on it's like things remembered kind of but like a big it was a catalog and all this shit i was like oh i remember like i had an aunt that used to have the catalog and i'd be like what is this shit i go over house when i was very little so she said a mail order signed by louise for clothing household equipment and fishing equipment was received by the store on may 4th two days before two days after jimmy after after the fucking murder fishing equipment fishing equipment and outdoor equipment clothing household equipment fishing equipment what you'd need you know if you had to live in a swamp for a while stuff like that bottom yeah this woman said that she notified larry schmidt went to notify larry schmidt that his

signature was necessary to raise the monthly payment on the family's account and uh yeah that's how that happened so um anyway um so uh for the defense here um ryan calls like i said her uh she testifies to that uh she says that um she says that larry this is uh louise said that the note said that uh she wrote herself she wrote a note three days before larry schmidt was killed uh he brought her a note from his wife this is a psychiatrist her psychiatrist was brought a note by larry three days before Larry died on the note. She had written it. It said that she was she needed to talk to someone that she was living on tranquilizers and that she was being pressured on all sides. This note has no, you can't attribute it to a source. It's just a fucking note, but it is admitted anyway. So the defense rests, and they think the note was really the thing that's going to hammer it home, that she was sad, and that'll do it. So the prosecutor here said he didn't think it was that big of a deal, whatever.

Closing arguments come around, all right? This is the defense closing so this is you know her her public defender said quote would you believe it if someone said he was going to kill and cut up your husband and feed him to the birds she knew no one would believe her for she had been in richmond the state hospital she had a nervous breakdown once, so she knew no one would believe that, is what he said. So don't blame her for not contacting the authorities sooner. Okay. Look at this pale, timid woman, easily overborn. You can't tell about a nightmare until you wake up from it. Buzz Stewart is a homicidal maniac and only because she kept quiet

are mrs schmidt's children alive today there's no evidence that she aided abetted or premeditated she stood by in terror and confusion okay she was sobbing so hard during the summation that, uh, yeah, it was, it was really fucking, um, you know, really bad. It was moving. It was moving. She's still sobbing.

Then it's the prosecutor's turn. Okay. His opening is quote. It's hard to believe we're talking about the same woman. He was like, are you out of your fucking mind? Prosecutor says that Larry was killed because he was in the way and that his wife quote set him up for the kill she promised him a good dinner that night that was another part of it too she promised him come home tonight after work i'll have a nice dinner ready for you and there was no dinner

ready for you so that was a big thing because he had told someone at work, oh, my wife's cooking a good dinner tonight. She told me, can't wait to get home. Surprise. Yeah. He came home to the guy who's fucking his wife being there. So and the night he's sure he'd be home. Her lies have to be explained. Then he said that her statements contain discrepancies, which he said were, quote, hardly the frank statements of the innocent.

And he said always in this kind of in this kind of a situation, always what she said. Oh, she set this man up and set him up for the kill again. That's how he closed it. So goes to the jury here. Eight men, four women. They deliberate deliberate for five and a half hours. It's good. So we don't hear from Buzz at all we don't hear from the kids the kids don't need to be heard from other than yeah because it would just be mom told me this okay well let's that's

here say putting them through and yes they're gonna have to hear so much awful shit did you know this about your father and yeah they're gonna have to ask gross did you see blood did you see whatever five and a half hours of deliberation they find louise guilty of murder guilty now sentencing comes up here electric chair was on the table but the prosecution didn't ask for it and the jury didn't want to give it to her obviously so the jury recommends death penalty, even though it hadn't been asked for anyway. So you can't give this person the death penalty about this. That would be crazy because it's just too murky. It's too swampy, you know? Look at the bottom.

But they do sentence her. You, ma'am, may fuck off life with parole. Yeah. With parole. Is that right? So still a long time though. Now, Louise said,

quote, I don't think it should have come out this way. She said, I'm sure there. Oh, then they asked her about the fact that she had gotten 21 carnations sent anonymously to her. And she said, quote, I'm sure they're from Glenn.

21? 21. I don't know what the relevancy of that is or whatever. And the worst flower on earth. Yeah. So 1968, Buzz is supposed to go to court. He is again found grossly insane. Not just insane.

Grossly insane. His mind is just awful it's gross in there it's disgusting um he's committed to them baby hospital and he finally in july of 1969 so years later they finally get him in court he is charged with being an accessory after the fact of manslaughter. That's his charge. They believe him. They believe his lie detector, that he passed his lie detector. They believe him. They believe that he didn't know, that he didn't know the whole time, and that she did all that shit without him knowing. And then he said, oh, shit, I'll help you.

Let's fucking, you know, we'll get rid of this. We'll wrap this shit up, and we'll take off to Arkansas and live in the fucking swamp. They believe that. I don't believe that. No, but they believe that. I think so. He sounds like an adult bully. So this he comes up.

The jury on this deliberates for nine hours longer than on her case, nine hours. And they find him guilty uh there now he was also charged with first degree murder but there was an accessory charge that was an option that the jury could take they found him not guilty of first degree murder but instead guilty of the lesser charge he is sentenced to you sir you buzz may fuck off to prison and beyond with you two to 21 years. That's a hell of a window. That's a big stretch. I don't know.

That's a wide open window here. The judge said that if asked, he would recommend parole in one and a half years for Stewart. Oh, my God. That's his thing that he's doing here. He served that, though, hasn't he? With time served? Probably in institutions and everything like that. So, yeah, he had pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity and had spent the last three years in a mental institution. I don't know if that counts as time served or not.

Probably not, honestly. Maybe not. So 1971 louise is in prison trying to get a new trial yeah and this is a big interview with her she says well i've never given up that's why i've worked so hard to keep myself up because i've never given up i hope to live a better life than i had before and i hope not i hope to make it count where i didn't before they describe her as quote now today 25 pounds heavier with a new hairstyle. Mrs. Schmidt was described by one of the prison people as, quote, a completely different girl.

She said she's changed in many ways. She said, I was in prison for several months and I guess I just couldn't accept the fact that of being in prison. Everything was different and I had a lot of things to cope with that I couldn't accept the fact that of being in prison everything was different and i had a lot of things to cope with that i couldn't so i went to richmond state mental hospital because she had a nervous breakdown in prison uh she said that no specific problems that she could think of but she said it's just the fact of being confined with liberties limited to just certain things it's prison yeah that sucks she said she she did adjust and that that so much so that she was granted residence in the Honor Cottage. The Honor Cottage reserved for inmates with a perfect record of behavior. She said she's continuing her education along with numerous other voluntary activities outside of her prison work schedule, too.

She said, I've worked as a cook and also in the sewing room and I went to school and I finished my homeschool and I finished my schooling there. I took home nursing training and graduated from this. I'm thinking about going to college through the Indiana University Extension courses in nursing. She says that she prides herself in her personal habits. She said she's found abilities within her that had previously been undiscovered. She said, all of this has given me a lot more confidence in myself.

I used to not think so much of myself, and I would tell myself I couldn't do things. But I know better now. I have found I can do a lot of things I want to. I used to not keep myself neat at all and one day i put on some makeup and put on a new dress and got a new hairdo and just got dressed up and well i liked what i saw yeah and she said that helped her lift her spirits in depression this would be a great you know fucking girl power rom-com fucking story if she didn't dismember her husband this is the this is the problem at

that point so she said when i get depressed i go and get a new hairdo and find something nice to put on and just dress up then i feel a lot better this honor cottage sounds like a great place you can get your hair done yeah get your hair done you get dresses and makeup new dress new dresses and makeup what the fuck we watch love after Love After Lockup. Those girls make makeup out of pencil shavings and water, and they mix shit together. It's crazy. And Kool-Aid. And Kool-Aid and mix it up, and they don't have new dresses on ever. They come out of prison looking like an actual clown, and they go, don't judge my prison

makeup. It's homemade. I look terrible. Then they tell you how hard it was to make my eye shadow is nacho cheese and when you hear that they made their blue eye shadow from cool ranch dorito dust you're actually impressed you're actually impressed by you're like that's better than i could do with that good job so here's a question people might be asking where Where the fuck are her kids? What's going on with them? Well, she said that, quote, I haven't seen my children since I was arrested.

I keep hoping and praying that one day they will write. My daughter will be 16 this month and I would give anything to see them. This is later on. She's, you know, the kids are older. She said, I keep hoping and praying that one day they will write. And then she says they're in an orphanage in Tennessee. That's where they are. An orphanage.

I don't know. Lonnie gave up. I don't know if Lonnie died. Lonnie gave up. I'm not sure. She said to help get my mind off them. I write a lot of poetry and songs. I also make things and would sit and think to get some new ideas and would try them out.

But all of my thoughts are on my children, really. They're what my thoughts are about. It's pretty hard to explain to a child what prison is like and why everything went the way it did. I never had a chance to explain to them. And getting used to being around children and being free is going to be something I'm going to cope with for a while because I've had to depend on myself all these years for everything. I've got to make things work out. It's not going to be easy to accept responsibility again, but I'm willing to try and I'm willing to work hard for it. Now, she is trying for a new trial. Okay. It's based on the belief that she shouldn't be serving

a bigger sentence than given then glenn everett stewart was given because he was also charged in the case that's just happens people get different sentences yeah i mean what he was he wasn't charged with the same thing well he was charged with murder but the jury jury picked the lesser charge the same thing right yeah yeah um should she be successful she could be set free because the four plus years she spent serving her original sentence would count toward the 2 to 21 year reduced sentence and uh otherwise she faces 14 more years before she becomes eligible for parole december 71 she gets this new trial here and uh the indiana Supreme Court ordered that the life term she got be reduced to a manslaughter term on the grounds that her accomplice in the slaying was sentenced only for manslaughter.

It was a three to two ruling, by the way. That's fucked. Fucking close. Yeah. They said that the majority opinion written by this justice here, he says that it held a that held a legally contradictory situation exists as a result of guilt of both the accessory and the principle to this crime and since they are contradictory the petitioner is entitled to have her conviction and sentenced reduced accordingly to conform to that principle the trial court was directed to enter a finding of guilty of manslaughter with a sentence of 2 to 21 years and uh so the dissenting opinion

said when one examines the total picture presented by the trial of Edith Louise Smith and the separate trial of Glenn Everett Stewart, he comes to the following inescapable conclusion. Mrs. Mrs. Schmidt's husband was murdered. Both Mrs. Schmidt and Stewart were involved in that murder and no one else. Both were tried for first degree murder. Mrs.

Schmidt was convicted of first degree murder and Stewart was convicted of being an accessory after the fact. There's nothing about the verdict of that jury that would be contradictory to believing that Mrs. Schmidt, that it was Mrs. Schmidt who, in fact, did the killing and that Stewart only aided her after the fact. So, yeah, it's they didn't charge him with less. They charged them both the same. The jury found them less. So how do you appeal something on what the jury's decision was not what the it's one thing that the legal system fucked you over yeah that that completely fucks a prosecutor in that yeah that's not his fault

or you're saying the jury yeah it's crazy so um during all this the way, during her retrial, Glenn Stewart, who is in jail, by the way, remember a year and a half recommended for him? During this, he escapes from prison near her trial. Oh, my God. She said she's terrified and all this. She fucking broke out of prison, which is more. You're in prison. You're safe. You're going to get more.

Well, during her trial while she was out of court. So he's not going to show up at court if he broke out of prison, probably. But, dude, that's fucking he you get more time for that than what he would have been doing anyway. Right. That's wild. You're going to get five years, bud. 1973. She's still in prison, by the way.

Well, she finally gets out of prison here or she's about to get out of prison. She said she's anticipating life on the outside she says the prison experience has been a good thing for her you know it's been a good thing she's very thankful to her lawyer obviously for getting the charge reduced

and she they're talking about all this shit she said I was to a point where I was really looking forward to getting out, and I've been very disappointed with the delay. She said that she's a better person for her imprisonment. She said, I've learned that there are good people in the world, and I've learned to trust God. The whole experience has been good for me. I finished high school in women's prison in Indianapolis, and I'm taking nursing courses, too. She says that, this is wild nursing

as if fuck that i don't know you're not nursing me like her to be my nurse you're gonna cut me in pieces um she says that she quote holds no grudges against nobody okay well if what you said actually happened you probably should have a huge grudge against buzz stewart for killing your husband and causing this whole fucking problem. But she said her son, who's 15 at the time, lives in a children's institution. And yeah, and she's been exchanging letters with him, though. Poor bastard. Her daughter, Nancy, is married and living in New York at 16.

Unbelievable. Married in New York at 16. Unbelievable. Married in New York at 16. I'm getting the fuck away from this fucking hillbilly shit show is what she said. Maybe. Or she just, I don't know, moved away. Who knows? I feel awful for those kids. They went through.

Yeah. That's a fuck, man. They had to live in a swamp. Their stepfather got butchered in their house. They didn't know what was going on. They're dragged out of there in a car with the weirdo from the apartment complex. That's how you end up married at 16. It's a lot. It's just a lot. She said that her family is one of her reasons for wanting to make a successful start in the world. She said, I just want to make up for what

I've put them through all these years. And she says if she does get back to society, she's going to try to make nursing her career because, quote, I want to help people. Who the fuck? Who's going to hire a woman who dismembered her husband? I don't know. That's a tough one. In a medical field? That's a tough one. In a place where you've got to take a vow to do no harm?

Are you out of your fucking mind? Certain amount of trust you have to give. If I'm not feeling great and she walks in the room, I might go, you're going to hear my monitor go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep real quick. It's going to go fast. She said that it's just hazy memories that pass now. She said, quote, I'm going to forget all of that. I don't understand it.

I didn't realize i was getting mixed up with the wrong people i was young and mixed up and stupid you were in your 30s yeah she was 26 at the time that's not that young back then that's not young at all she had two kids been married she was on her second marriage for christ's sake she said quote he threatened to kill me in fact he beat my head in with a gun button, gave me a concussion. When we were in jail in Marion, he'd send me notes threatening to kill me. And when he escaped from Michigan City in 1971, I was frantic. I hope she turned those over to the proper.

I was going to say, you turn those over, he'll get in more trouble. Yeah. She says now the fear and anxiety are gone. She's expressed confidence that she's going to be a free woman in several months in the meantime she's as free as a prisoner can be because she's in the uh like kind of a halfway house thing um she's helping the sheriff's wife with house chores that's her job right now she's a maid for the sheriff she's she spends her days at the sheriff's house. Wow. Which is right by the jail helping the wife.

She's the wife's, the husband's, the sheriff's housekeeper at this point. She said, I've had just beautiful treatment in here. Everyone is so nice and they treat me like a human being in prison. She's not required to wear prison garb and she's allowed to make her way around the jail property without close supervision. She's just like the den mother here. Murder. Convicted of murder. First fucking degree murder.

No prison uniform for that person. Nope, just walking around. She attributes her peace of mind to her newfound religion. She said in her words she's quote into everything religious and in state prison she spent most of the much of her time with the prison choir she said i've got self-respect now because of my faith in god it's helped keep me going and i'm going to keep going i'm going to hold my head up and go on so she gets out of prison holds her head up and goes on yeah she disappears nobody bothers her

i don't see anything in the media about her there's not like a where are they now i looked for like because she'd have been in her 80s now yeah so i looked for a an obituary for her i couldn't find anything but she could have it's been it's i mean it's been 50 years she could have had four more last names by then so we have no fucking clue what she would go under, whether she's alive or not. But she would be pretty goddamn old here. She'd be in her 80s. Yeah. She'd be almost 80 at this point.

80, 82. She'd be right now. And Glenn, he lives for a while. And in 2015, from his obituary, Glenn dies at the age of 79 at his home in arkadelphia yeah he didn't leave never left in curtis by arkadelphia he was uh it says uh quote he was born october 24th 1935 in clark county arkansas to pearl everett and leslie elizabeth pontius stewart wow pontius uh buzz was an auto mechanic and worked in the wachika baptist university he was a member of third street baptist church in archidelfia he was preceded in death by one son terry lynn stewart and one granddaughter andrea stewart oh that's rough survivors include

his wife he's got a new wife kathleen not christ, three sons, and, yeah, one daughter as well. All of this stuff. They never mention was in prison for dismembering somebody and her accessory after the fact of dismemberment or any of that shit. None of that mentioned at all. I'm sure they wouldn't. He had five kids at that point when he died. So he had a couple more when he got out. Yeah, yeah.

Well, he got remarried,ried too so that's it and uh so we don't know what happened to louise something she's out there or maybe not or maybe dead or maybe she's living a nice quiet life as an old lady either way he's dead and uh that's that so i want more from both of them like i want yes i gotta know to them yes fuck your theory hit me up what do you got what do you think happened here hear it ma'am no i want your theory oh my your theory um i think that uh well okay here i think the guy uh might be a big dum-dum and um she didn't she didn't want to be married anymore and she got a guy to do some stuff for her. Yeah.

I think, here's what I think. I think that, because remember she said Buzz hid in the walls when her brother was there? I think that he came home, Larry, didn't know Buzz was there because he was hiding in the fucking walls. Right. In the bedroom.

I think she brought right in the bedroom i think she brought larry into the bedroom got him over there and buzz popped out and fucking stabbed him i think it was a plan to i'll lure him in here you fucking stab him yeah you stab him he fell down and then uh i think they carried him down to the basement because it would take two people to carry a big guy like that especially if one of them has a broken hand exactly two people to carry him down there and then i don't know who did the dismembering doesn't really fucking matter at that point it's they're dead i mean so i don't know what happened but either way i think they're both guilty of of a lot yeah i think they're both guilty of a lot yep and i think he got her down

to arkansas and was like oh my god she's a pain in the ass i don't want to be married to this woman either well i gotta go into the house and that's where my wife and kids are and then i go back out in the swamp with my girlfriend and her like what who can fucking keep up with that and she's bitching about bugs and i'm like yeah it's arkansas what'd you expect yeah so i mean there seems to be no debate uh that he told her to leave and the father drove her to the bus station right so it's just a debate of whether she was escaping or like he said i told her to turn herself in which i also don't believe so maybe he did tell her to turn herself in because she stabbed him and he was just there to do some muscling but the one stab wound was enough

that's possible too i feel like there's a lot of shit to go around here there's a lot of blame to go around it's a big shit show and i i don't feel like uh i feel like there's two versions of the story somewhere in the middle is the truth and they're both culpable even in there they're both knee deep in the middle of everything so who cares they're both culpable and uh whatever they both got out poor larry's the guy who got fucked at all this unbelievable barely any prison time for chopping poor larry up you know nobody did sincerely unbelievable i feel terrible for poor fucking larry man larry got bad on this one they did like 10 years combined not even i don't think

they might have done 10 combined that's unreal andy escaped two people there's an escape she's out fucking putting makeup on getting a new dress feeling better about herself he's got no arms or legs no arms or legs but she feels pretty great i'm fucking thrilled for you ma'am the sheriff's house jesus christ and he's moving back home to arcadelphia to hook up with his high school girlfriend or some shit who fuck me jesus that's what happened that's the least justice laden story i've ever heard no it's horrifying it's a horrifying tale of swampland hillbilly action and unsatisfactory sentencing that i've ever fucking heard that's small town murder everybody at least with oj we all get to call him a murderer every day

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He doesn't speak the language very well, but we are helping him, I guess. Now he knows fuck and- He had to listen English to learn. Okay. So, yeah. We're helping him. That's amazing. It's a little bit broken English on the email.

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