Small Town Murder - #263 - Butcher Saws & Wine Coolers - Dover, Delaware

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

This week, in Dover, Delaware, a very odd relationship, complete with a divorce, and a remarry, as well as long periods of strangeness, ends the husband, disappearing, one day. No one is too concerned, because this isn't abnormal behavior, until a head is found, in an extremely disturbing way, inside a wine cooler box. Then other parts begin to show up... Pretty soon, it becomes perfectly clear what happened, but the wife has some wild tales to tell detectives, complete with wild lies, and an the strangest excuse for having a bloody mattress, in the history of murder!! Along the way, we find out that Delaware was the first state, that there's many ways to get blood on a mattress, and that you should never reach into a bag full of maggots & mystery flesh!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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going to do, though, we're going to go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims families. Why is that, james because we're assholes yeah but we're not scumbags there yeah that's how it works there there's plenty of other stuff to make fun of like murderers like police forces that just let a murderer go by free we interviewed him like eight times but bob seemed like he was telling the truth like no bob was covered in blood when you talked to him the first two times. That's the kind of stuff we talk about. It was the skunk, James. That's the kind of stuff we talk about here.

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So if that sounds good to you, it's time to sit back clear the lungs jimmy and shout shut up give me murder let's do this jimmy let's go on a trip shall we oh baby this we're going all the way from hawaii last week we were lovely wasn't it? Lovely. Oh, the waves and the breeze. We're going all the way somewhere. Not a very un-Hawaii-like place. Dover, Delaware. Oh. Oh, boy. Dover, Delaware.

Dover. There's beaches, correct? Not here. Not in Dover. In Delaware. Yeah, just not in Dover. And Dover is the capital of Delaware. It is.

It is. It's one of the smallest state capitals in the entire nation. There's like Pierre, South Dakota. There's Juneau is pretty small in Alaska. And then there's Dover here. Very small place. It's a few people and a college. That's pretty much all that exists here.

Great. It's in eastern central Delaware. It's a small place, Delaware. Who cares where it is? It's about an hour from our last Delaware episode, which was Laurel, Delaware, which was a small place, Delaware. Who cares where it is? It's about an hour from our, our last Delaware episode, which was Laurel, Delaware,

which was a strange way to torture. It was the name of that weird stuff there. Check that out. It was episode two 32. This is in Kent County area code three zero two. And their motto is, and it's just basically a stat. It's a capital of the first state oh wow um or that's it

or we don't have much going for us here nothing much has happened lately is a good motto they could have delaware's the first state i don't even know if it is or not there's about i think there's about four states claiming they're the first state there's a lot of there's a lot of claims from back then that are really muddy and i don't know how you can parse them so you kind of gotta leave that to to massachusetts right uh well we're talking about states so are we talking about when they organized when they actually you know when the legislature ratified something that's that's what they get into well we ratified it on this day even though they claimed they formed on this day semantics of paperwork yeah that's that's you can claim anything with semantics of paperwork That's what they get into. Well, we ratified it on this day, even though they claimed they formed on this day.

Semantics of paperwork. Yeah, you can claim anything with semantics of paperwork. So history of this town, brief history of this town, hopefully not paperwork semantics. The capital was moved here from Newcastle in 1777 because of its central location and relative safety from British raiders on the Delaware River. They moved it off the river so the British couldn't pop up off the river and take over the capital estate. That's what they did. There's a Newcastle, Delaware?

Yeah, there's a lot of Newcastles everywhere, all over the place. I don't know. That's one of those. We've come up with a lot of those town names that seem to be shared by half the towns in the United States. Now, this was a stop on the Underground Railroad, as a matter of fact, here, because Maryland had slaves right next door, and Pennsylvania and New Jersey are right there, and they're free states. So you could kind of – it was a good clearinghouse here for a better lack of – What's that river? Freedom.

Yes. It was also home to a large quaker community that was very much into the emancipation thing so they were very even back in the early 1800s the quakers were trying to do it um there wasn't a lot of uh there wasn't a lot of people you know wasn't a lot of slavery going on in this area but it was legal here so here. So it was one of those deals here. So there's an Amish community here. It's west of Dover, consisting of about 1,600 people. That's a lot.

That's a lot of Amish people. They first settled here in 1915. It almost died out in the 20s and 30s, the Amish settlement. I don't know what it was. There were not enough buggies to to sustain the population but uh they rebounded in the 60s 60s was a good time to fuck for everybody i think that's what it was yeah moth i've taken some lsd come over here and show show jebediah one of your psalms fucking whip whip him out for me. And now the left one, too.

Oh, yes. Wonderful, wonderful. Oh, and you've carved a table. Excellent, excellent. The butter's churned. Oh, Martha, you're turning me on. What other chores have you done? What other chores have you done while you sat in silence with no outside entertainment or electricity?

Oh, Martha, Martha. or electricity. Oh, Martha, Martha. So, home to several Amish businesses selling items such as furniture, quilts. Amish make amazing furniture. They're famous. They do. People in the East Coast all flock to Pennsylvania

to buy Amish furniture. Quilts. They're really good with fucking, with wood tools. And not just like wood. They have wood tools made out of wood how do you make the wood tools i don't know how do you do it you don't you wouldn't like carve chocolate up with chocolate that would be a weird thing no how do you make tools out of wood without wood tools to make the wood tool man there are resourceful people there are resourceful people chicken egg shit right there that's what what you should do. Raise your kids,

tell them they're Amish, and then make them do things. So they're, yeah, and they also sell Amish food, which I don't know what the hell Amish food is. Shit they grew. That's Amish food, right? I would imagine. I don't know what else. Maybe it's, how great would it be if it was really spicy? It was like a,

it was like South American. Lots of curry. Lots of crazy spices and weird vegetables and shit from different continents. They're very continental when it comes to that here. So reviews of this town. Got to get to these because they're awesome. Reviews. Here is five stars.

They love Dover. We're going to go right through the whole spectrum today. Quote, Dover is a great place to live, but the jobs are few. The jobs pay little, and the schools are not the greatest. This is a five-star review, by the way. This is five stars. Best place ever. Perfect.

Not done yet. I've heard nothing so far here. It's a great place to live, except for all the things that make it, except for there's no money, jobs, or the schools suck. The first state of the United... This is the first state of the United States. It should be a better representation of our union. Well, it's been a while since we, since it was number one. I love the place, but the lack of good jobs, pay, and disciplinary problems in the schools

are pushing my heart away. It sounds, that's a two-star review. I love it. It's certainly not-star review i love it it's certainly not five no i love it so i gave it an extra star but it's not good it's two stars but no here's five stars this was definitely written by someone who english is not their first language i would say like by far it's one sentence and it's my favorite thing ever. Quote, including the distance, comma, in America, comma, it is good, exclamation point. I don't know what that means, but I love it. Including the distance, in America, it is good. Five stars.

I don't know what that means, but they seem to really like it um so i'm happy for pretty good in america it's including the distance yeah it sucks but at least it's in america it's good it is good three stars uh so mid-ranger here the sense of community here is like no other everyone knows everyone it's a it's quite a small town. For anybody out there saying that Dover's not a small town, shut up. It is a small place. If you live there, it might be bigger than the town next door, but it's not a big place. I live on Dover Air Force Base, which is another way they have population, which takes up the majority of Dover, but there isn't really much to do within the city itself there are a few parks in a small downtown area with a few shops the nearest beach is an hour away that's not great

oh my most stores don't sell any alcohol including wine because it's known to be a quaker area jesus it's different but nice if you value small communities they have a great farmer's market with signature sauces and fresh produce which is great yeah they're amish of course they're growing good shit i'm sure uh so if you have a quaker community nearby they they have lobbyists that keep it a dry county is that what you're saying shit yeah they do are you kidding me yeah really absolutely you don't need to fucking yeah you don't need to have lights in your house to pay someone to do shit that you like that's whatever everybody's doing that okay a religious community lobbying to get all their shit passed wow never heard of that before that's strange like forcing it upon people that aren't quaker that's that's the south

right on america that's called how many how many dry counties are there in this country there's thousands yeah but this is new england this is different yeah this is delaware it's almost this is the mid-atlantic man this is part south part not part it's a weird place i'm telling you here's two stars this one is very to the point bad area bad people unclean and depressing yikes going to school here you will notice every night that a fire truck police car or some kind of loud obnoxious noise going off due to the bad area. Okay. More so because of the stupid druggies around here. Definitely not the positive go-to for anything unless you want to mess your life up.

Okay. And here we go. One star, finally. This guy's got a very particular beef here. Dover is congested on its roadways. They are consistently changing the timing of traffic signals and have no clue where the crime is coming from.

Crime is coming from one mile from the police station and courthouse. Also, colleges are within a half mile of crime-riddled areas. Just today, I had someone bang on my hood because they don't understand how to use a crosswalk, but hey, I'll get a ticket for speeding, but someone beating on my hood like an animal does not. Great job.

I guess that's normal here. One star. Wow. I love the single issue voter. And this is the person, one issue, and they're going to write a review because something happened that pissed them off. This is my favorite thing ever. Went hard on their own traffic tickets. Wow.

Population here, 38,199. So not very big, but bigger than some of the towns we cover here. Few more females than males because it's college. I'm sorry, more males than females. I think that's the Air Force base that's doing that. 36% married. So it's a lot of young people the median age is 29.9 so that's way younger than normal um 30 are have children but are single single that's like three times the average so that's like that people are just dropping their seeds and then running off running off to the base i don't know

what's going on that feels it's why it's a it's a it's like it's fucked up it's like deadwood over here man it's good yeah uh race is very dysfunctional around here it does right race of this town 42 white 41 black so that's pretty even there 8..8% Hispanic, so it's 2.9% Asian. So pretty diverse, I guess you could call it. It's about one-third. 33.6% of the people here are religious, and it's a mix, I guess, because it's people from everywhere. With the Air Force Base and the college, you're going to get a few Catholics, a few Methodists, a Pentecostal here or there. Not much Jewishness, though.

That's not really going on very much. Not a lot of Jewish people here. Last election split pretty evenly here. 51. This is the county, Kent County. 51% Democrat, 47% Republican. The unemployment rate here is a little bit higher than the national average. Household income is pretty close to normal.

It's $49 49 738 here everybody over a hundred thousand dollars there's less of that than normal here so people are making a decent living but no one's really not a lot of wealthy people in dover cost of living 93.6 so uh pretty close to 100 which which is average. Housing's low, though. Median home cost here, $223,800. Anyway, if we've convinced you that you need to move here because of whatever reason, we have for you the Dover, Delaware real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for, where is that? My God, I don't have that for some reason. I completely forgot to do that. That's amazing.

It goes for, we're going to call it average. We're going to call it $1,200. There you go. That's the weirdest thing in the world. Probably pretty close. The first time I haven't had that for some reason. I totally missed it. Dover, Delaware here, though the house is my goodness. I found a three-bedroom bath, 1732 square foot place.

It's mint green and it is nasty. It's it looks like maybe somebody started to try to fix it inside and then just said, ah, the hell with it. Gave up. I don't get leave it for the next person. This is hard. The pictures are all dark't care. Leave it for the next person. Ah, this is hard. The pictures are all dark. It's really strange, man. It's a weird house.

I wouldn't recommend it. $89,900 for it. So it's a deal. It's cheap. That's why. I found a two bedroom, one bath, 720 square foot little box of a house. That's tiny. It's a small house.

It's not quite a tiny house, but it's not a big house yet. Yeah, it is. I mean, you can't be on a TV show with that house. Two bedrooms in 700 square feet, James? They fit twin beds, probably. Or maybe they're stacked on top of each other. We don't know. This bedroom, it's a

nice size, but the ceiling's only four feet high is the only drawback. There's a couple of just chairs on a blanket, and instead of a couch, there's just folding lawn chairs in the living room. So it looks very sad here. And there's a lot of piles of shit in the bedroom, like clothes and bags, and someone's half moved out of there. But $159 thousand bucks for that. So, you know, that's cheaper than normal. At least it's like half the price of normal. Yeah.

Then I found a four bedroom, five bath, twenty six hundred eighty seven square foot. It's a new house. It's kind of a weird house. There's weird murals in there. One kind of looks like a like you tried to make an indiana jones room for your kid or something there's like a there's like a rope bridge thing that's like dangling above the bed yeah it's really weird you can't like walk on it or anything but it's just there to maybe a kid can it's there to collect dust and shit no no it's like it's like fucking

thumbtacked into the ceiling you can't oh okay it's just like for decoration. It's very strange here. But $559,900 for that little slice of heaven. It's a big house, though, it is. It's a lot of house. It's a lot of house. Things to do. First of all, this is a real big popular thing, so we won't really talk about that. The Firefly Music Festival. That goes on there, so big deal.

Firefly's in Dover? Apparently. Doesn't it travel? They made a big deal out of it being there though um here's something called open cockpit day which oh that sounds frightening it says you can literally step into our nation's aviation history during open cockpit days at the air Mobility Command Museum. It's like an aviation museum? Yeah, you go hop in the old planes, which sounds kind of neat, except I wouldn't fit in any of them. It should be called Bang Your Knees 400 Times Today Day for James. Fuck your shit up, not be able to walk.

The museum allows visitors full access to many of the museum's impressive aircraft, The museum allows visitors full access to many of the museum's impressive aircraft walk from cockpit to cockpit as tour guides, often retired crew members of these airplanes, describe the history of the planes and retired crew members. Oh, yeah. And bring these aircraft to life. They're going to bring them to life for you jimmy ranging aircraft ranging from an open cockpit biplane to a modern four-engine jet transport including a beautifully restored b-17 a combat veteran c-47 and air force 2 the official plane of many u.s vice presidents awesome that's pretty cool um that's pretty neat and you can do that uh or if you're that's a, you don't want to fly high.

This is the opposite of that. This is technology and how it's advanced. You got me a kite? No, this is the Amish country bike tour. On the ground, no technology except a bike. Join us. That's all you're getting. That's the most. Join us for the 36th annual Amish Country Bike Tour on September 18th, 2021.

That was last. It's going to be this year, too. Routes are 15, 25, 50, 62, or 100 miles. Wow. Ride 100 miles on a fucking bike? Whoa. The tour to Amish is hard. For fun?

Through peaceful, and it says flat with an exclamation point, low traffic Amish countryside. Well, no shit, it's low traffic. And pie. Everyone gets pie. That's what it says. Oh, great. Everyone gets pie. So no matter what, you're getting pie out of the deal anyway.

Amish pie, which sounds pretty good. I need some Amish pie. Seems like they make a good pie, right? I'll bet they make the deal anyway. Amish pie, which sounds pretty good. I'd eat some Amish pie. Seems like they make a good pie, right? I'll bet they make the best pies. Fresh stuff, and yeah,

they're going to do it all from scratch. There's no Betty Crocker going on or no fucking bullshit pie mix. They're not going to the grocery store

getting one of those frozen already made deals. No. Maybe they are. I don't know. If it's a Sara Lee, I'll still eat it. Oh, I love,

you get me a frozen pie, I will eat I love you. Get me a frozen pie. I will eat that whole thing. I love a frozen pie. Oh, they're goddamn delicious. I didn't grow up. Incredible. I didn't grow up with pies. Any pie is good.

No, my mom's an absolutely awful cook. Like the worst. Good with pie. I can't tell you how bad she is at cooking, but her apple crumble pie is unbelievable. My mother tries, but she's not going to bake. My mother would never attempt baking. Italians aren't bringing a dessert. Our desserts are different.

We're not a big dessert people. We're not. They put out some nuts and fruit for dessert. That's what my grandmother used to put out. That's dessert. Cannoli seems like a pain in the ass to make. It is. That kind of shit, but that's like all there is. We're just not

even awful. Yeah, we got that, and I guess so. So, go on your Amish country bike tour. Crime rate in this town, property crime is almost double here around the normal rate. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery,

and of course assault, the mount rushmore of crime is about one-third higher than the national average as well so a lot of weird shit going on in dover delaware that you wouldn't imagine i don't know very strange stuff here so that said let us talk about an absolutely horrible murder that happened here let's do it let's do this we this is a crazy one we're gonna have to go back in time here to 1984 oh man 1984 think about it jimmy eddie murphy is hard to remember i don't remember it obviously but three yeah we were very small children at this point but i know eddie murphy's doing very well i know uh hulk hogan is becoming insanely huge uh what else is happening now um bad music crushing it bad music is permeating the landscape

it's everywhere oh that's terrible stuff and also what is happening in 1984 is christ and William Shipley are living in Dover, Delaware. And, uh, Christine is 47 years old. She's a little, she's a little younger than William, William 64. And they've been married for 13 years. And, uh, we'll find out, you know, how they met and all that stuff. They're both former Baltimore police officers, like, you know, the wire Baltimore police officers, but not, I don't think they were detectives, you know, the wire Baltimore police officers. I don't think they were detectives, but we'll talk about what they did.

She left before retirement, but he actually retired with disability at one point from the force. I don't know what happened, but he took a disability retirement from the Baltimore police force. She got a job as a corrections officer in Delaware. Now they decide to move to Delaware and move to Delaware and buy a trailer park. That's what they do. What? They're going to buy a small trailer park because that's the dream. You want to work your whole life so you can retire and then watch over people who live in a trailer park and make sure they're not destroying your trailers.

That sounds great. That sounds terrific. But usually with trailer parks, James, you bring your own trailer and drop it in the lot and you just pay lot fees and then whatever the payment is on your trailer. Sometimes the trailer's already there. It depends on the park. Sometimes it's a mix of both. Yeah, it depends on the park. Sometimes it's a mix of both.

This, I believe, is a pre-existing trailers on the ground, you know, lattice around them trying to make them look like they're actually attached to something type of deal. And you've got to patrol and make sure the people that are probably struggling the hardest are paying their lot fee bill. That sounds like a whole lot of fun. And not smoking too much meth in your trailers yeah you know so uh here so their their water is connected and running and they'll complain they'll complain if something's broken i ain't gotta check on that so they uh they come there now once when they move to delaware she gets a job as a corrections officer okay at the women's correctional institute in claymont delaware and she also works part-time at a liquor store i assume to get liquor to make up for the time god damn jobs well no she got she left the oh you mean the trailer park too yeah

they don't consider that a job they don't live on site or anything like that i think they just kind of let that they kind of give management yeah they let that grow as it would grow you know like kind of like if you're making like a dough or something you got to leave it to rise for a while i think they're just letting the yeast do its thing and yeah sometimes you just water the tree and walk away you're not going to watch it a watched a watched pot never boils jimmy i think that's the point we're trying to make here. That's it. So she's doing all of this. Now, William, her husband, is 64 years old, like we said.

He retired with a disability. He was a member of the Baltimore Police Department from 1954 to 1975. So he had 21 years in already anyway. So you can retire at 20. So I don't know if he was going for 25 or what but he had been assigned to the community service uh community service division and was active in work with inner city youths like he was part of like kind of a like a inner like a youth reach out program by the police is kind of what his job was so like the dare officer of my time i guess kind of that's what he is yeah he's like

dennis wise with a badge and not a history of murder and drug dealing so he's doing all of that and uh she worked in the same division as well christine that's how they met she worked there from 68 until 82 and he worked from 54 to 75 in that and in there so that's how they did it uh they were married for the first time yes i said that and just watched your eyebrows go up oh boy whenever i say married for the first time you know we're in for some shit you know we're in for an interesting episode you know it anybody that's married the same person twice is a fascinating human being whenever i hear that's the uh my husband and i second marriage i'm like tell me more were you renewing your vows oh no okay i want to hear the whole thing because that's

how do you get married went through the divorce and then started again. Not even a separation. You did the paperwork twice. The whole thing, you went out with other people, cycled through whoever else is out there and went, I guess I was wrong. That was the best I can do. And then you went back to where you came from. That is bonkers. I want to hear every one of them. I do. I want every damn story of that.

So that would be, that's all I want to know about. So they're first married on October 23rd, 1973. Both had been married before. She has three children as well who are older at this point. And they divorced in February of 77. So this is the last about three and a half years. Yeah. They divorce after what's called one of his more lengthy disappearances, as it's described later.

William, once in a while, you know, they'll get in a fight or whatever, and he'll just take off sometimes for a night, sometimes for six, eight months. You never know. Just I don't know when I'll be back. Literally, dad went out for a pack of cigarettes. He might be back in the spring. It's fucking maybe we don't know when i'll be back literally dad went out for a pack of cigarettes he might be back in the spring it's fucking maybe we don't know but he does he comes back eventually he comes back but you have no idea you can't you can't get a hold of him you don't hear from him he's just gone that's so and after he retired in 75 he doesn't have to be at work every morning so she has nowhere to like track him down he's retired, so where does he go?

That is awesome. It's a pretty interesting marriage, and I can understand why they would get divorced if one of the people leaves every once in a while. She, at one point, I guess, hired a private detective to find him before the divorce because she wanted to find out where the hell he was to divorce him. You can't divorce someone you can't find. That's the problem. You've got to serve the papers, right? Yeah, you need to find out where the hell he was to divorce him. You can't divorce someone you can't find. That's the problem. You got to serve the papers, right? Yeah, you need to find him.

So she had to hire a PI to find his ass so she could divorce him. He was living in Jarrettsville, Maryland with a completely different woman with a completely different three other kids that she had. Wow. So he just traded in one woman with three kids for another woman with three kids. What do you want to bet there's an awesome murder in Jarrettsville, Maryland? There has to be. Yeah, probably this woman's first husband.

I don't know what happened. So yeah, I apologize to that woman. He likes women with three kids. Women with three kids are his thing. He's like the BTK killer. It's the numbers of threes. He loves threes. That's his kink.

One of the kinks. So he had another woman with three children. So they get divorced. Okay. She divorces him like in absentia. He's gone. Divorce happens anyway in February of 77. So in June of of 1978 he returns he he left in 76 man he left in 76 he left gerald ford was president and then he came back and he wasn't anymore it

was we're halfway through carter already what happened administration that's how long he was gone for like a long fucking time he he leaves and then what she says is quote he whined me and dined me i never stopped loving him so they get married six days after he comes back again they get remarried wow what the how good of a salesman is this guy he can sell you anything he fuck the police department this guy needs to sell like you know penny stocks or something where you have to hustle used cars something you know i left for uh several years i left for like a year and eight, nine months he left for. That's crazy. You can't leave for that long.

And we divorced in the meantime. I'm back. Let's get married. There's people who are declared dead and they have a funeral. And that's a long time. In that amount of time, you could, holy shit, she could have had his life insurance if she didn't track him. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts.

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So she's winded and dined her and they're back together. Everything's fine. Unbelievable. They're back together. Four years later, they're moving to Delaware together. That's how the whole thing went down. And buying a trailer park. It's you know, it's like that was

that movie about buying a zoo or something. I don't think we bought a trailer park would have been as popular of a movie. What do you think? Matt Damon movie. I don't fucking remember. I didn't see it. But I remember somebody bought a zoo. We bought a zoo or you bought a zoo. Yeah, I think it was a Matt Damon movie. Somebody bought a zoo. Yeah a zoo or you bought a zoo yeah i think it was a matt damon movie somebody bought a zoo that one yeah because i don't even remember it and i don't even know if he was in it and we're blaming him for it either way so he really regrets it if he wasn't in it because he's like shit i get blamed for it anyway i didn't even get any money this sucks that's how much of a piece of shit that movie is people will recall that as his worst movie and forget all about martian forget about

they'll forget all about stuck on you and move on huh yeah i didn't forget that matt damon because you know he's listening he's made some pieces of shit there is no one on earth who hasn't made a long list of pieces of shit think about look up anyone's im anyone's IMDb. You will see several movies on there where you're like, I've never heard of that. And then you'll click on it and go, oh, that looks terrible. That's why I've never heard of it.

It's the best actor you can think of. Terrible movies. It's him and Matt. It's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Both of them have really made some shitty movies. They all have. Who hasn't?

Name an actor who hasn't made a bad movie. They've all made bad movies i don't know even those two specific is a tom hanks well he was in bonfire of the fucking vanity so there you go let's talk about that there's a lot of bad fucking movies out there not that i'm defending them but what i'm saying is most movies suck and it's also a rare thing for one to be good once in a while most movies movies do suck, but also when you make a good one, you have the opportunity to get really paid to make a piece of shit. Yeah. It's what they want you to make.

Nobody cares or blames you. Yeah. Yeah, we can make fun of Matt Damon a lot, but he has an Oscar on his shelf, that bastard. He does. He does. And probably owns a bank. He could buy a fucking zoo, that asshole. You bastard.

You son of a bitch. He owns a zoo called Boston, James. That is a zoo. They end up making a very different movie is We Bought a Trailer Park in Dover. We Bought a Trailer Park in Dover, Delaware. Terrible movie. No one's watching that that's the other part of this that's crazy is that he came back after that many months convinced her to remarry him and buy a trailer park yeah four years later well she wanted

to leave the police force that's so they were like how are we going to do that that's their escape plan is trailer park she's going to be a corrections officer because she's got police experience boom boom boom everything's going to be great corrections officer because she's got police experience boom boom boom everything's going to be great so they've been married i guess sort of uh the whole relationship has encompassed about 13 years at this point when we get to 1984 with you know lots of dark spots in between where he's gone a few years of turmoil in there. Here's a blank spots here. Now, Leslie is one is her daughter is Christine's daughter. And she taught she called him pop. She really loved him.

She said, William always loved him from the beginning. She said the whole time that they were, you know, well, she lived in the house. He, quote, only spanked her once, which you shouldn't hit anybody else's daughter at all, probably. But I get it. Probably zero times. It's the late, it's the early 70s. So I think that was considered like a kind, that was considered kind. He doesn't beat me that often.

That's nice. Dad doesn't whoop all of our asses. Your daughter acted up. So I took care of it for you. I beat her for you. Oh, thank you so much. She said, though, her brother's got it a lot more often. So he hits a lot of other people's kids

but yeah and it was considered just fine just yeah i hit your kids today oh good were they acting up they were acting up what do you want so she said back in the day he had several teeth pulled at once and she stayed home from school for three days this is in the you know early 70s pre-first divorce this is going on she stayed home from school for three days this is in the you know early 70s pre-first divorce this is going on she stayed home from school for three days changing his bloody bedding and emptying a bucket of disinfectant he used as a spittoon so there you go i'm gonna be sick she stayed to nurse him um but uh anyway she really liked him and uh he she said the daughter said that he took response. He acted like the kids were his.

Obviously, he's beating the shit out of them. Hopefully, he's taking care of them, too, at the same time. Hopefully, he's not just beating them and not feeding them also. So Christine, once they went to Delaware, Christine continued to work, and he's retired. And she found a job as a correction officer. What she's doing there is transporting inmates to and from the correctional institution, I guess from jail or from wherever, from other places. She'll end up quitting that job, and you'll find out why in a minute here.

So they lived in – after they lived here for about three years, they couldn't get a good mortgage apparently. After they lived here for about three years, they couldn't get a good mortgage. Apparently, they had a weird, complicated financial agreement with the former owner of this house. And somehow their mortgage was all screwed up to where I don't know if it was one of those like an adjustable rate mortgage. I don't know what the options were in 1983 for a mortgage. But either way, they were facing in the summer of 1984. There was a balloon payment on their mortgage due. Oh, God.

A balloon payment of, and this is in 1984 dollars, which is a lot more now, $69,000 they needed to pay. That's their payment? That's their payment that they have to make. It's a balloon payment. So that's like, where's your 200 grand right now or something? That's a lot of cash to come up with and fork over for a month. Why are mortgage companies trying to get paid like a star running back? Why do they want that?

Sometimes there's – well, there's different contracts set up. Sometimes that's what people will enter into, an agreement where it will be nothing, nothing. Then you owe a balloon payment. I don't know what the point of that is, but i don't know if the bank expects to get all that why would you set that up yeah well let's see they can barely afford 400 bucks a month i think they'll have 69 grand in july of 1984 probably you know i'm sure they're they only have 400 bucks a month because they're saving this big nut to give us later that's what it is they're really saving up right now 69 00069,000? Are you kidding me?

Are you fucking mind? Imagine you got a bill in the mail for $69,000. You'd be like, oh my God, what is this? What happened? Is this real? Holy shit. I have to assume they just thought, oh, we won't be there that long. There's no way we'll end up chasing down that payment.

We'll be dead by then, right? I mean, I'm sure. Long dead, I figure, right? I mean, at least murder-suicide. That's an insane number. That's way too much man holy shit so he works at a uh he works at a senior center that's a the maturity center it's called the modern maturity center like that magazine you get modern maturity that they send old people remember that i remember my grandparents yeah when you got to be like a certain age they started just getting this magazine in the mail called modern maturity and it just was like old people on the front i was like what the fuck is this

i don't know what that meant i don't know mail order dates and shit no i think it was like to sign up i think it was like an like trying to get them to sign up for like an aarp type of thing they would just send it to everybody. Like they had everyone's birthday logged. And the day you turn like 55, you just start getting old people magazines in the mail. It was weird, though, when I was a kid. I was like, oh, God, what is this? This is the most boring magazine to look through when you're eight.

It was like, you know, what's the best brand of cane? You're like, oh, just ads for creams and nothing i don't need that oh an eczema solution terrific this is great what i care about appointment thank god perfect so uh he works there he's like he's the kitchen manager and the cook there so he cooks for the old people oh okay that's what he's doing and uh you know i mean he's in his mid-60s too he's no spring chicken but he's still active enough to be able to cook for the other old people so that's good and the good news is he knows what they want to eat yeah yeah that's true that's funny but yeah it's so funny because 64 now is not considered that old anymore but 64 in the 80s 61 years old that's what i mean that's not considered like that old anymore with 64 in the 80s 61 years old that's what i mean that's not considered like that

old anymore whereas in the in the 80s 64 was like oh well where's your rocking chair grandpa that's what it was literally you know holy shit you're out of the house without slippers look at you very different dr dre might be 60 i think he's like 55 or some shit, maybe. You think so? 58. Eminem's 51 or 52. He's 49, I saw. Eminem? Yeah, 49. Wow. Yeah, he's a little older.

Seems older than that. He's just been around for 25 years now, that's why, which sounds crazy to even say. Yeah. So he was at July 28th, 1984, is where this whole tale kind of unravels here. The maturity center had a picnic excursion to Hock Hockison, Delaware. And William Shipley went along unpaid as an after hours volunteer likes to help the old folk out. He's a he's a good dude. And when it comes to the old people here, I don't know about at home, but whatever.

He's a good dude when it comes to the old people here. I don't know about at home, but whatever. So they return to the center from their outdoor excursion about 3 p.m., and William helps unpack and gets everybody settled, and then he takes off from the center at about 4 o'clock in the afternoon. That's his deal. So two of his neighbors saw him park his white Oldsmobile, and that's important, white Oldsmobile, in the driveway of his home

and walk into the house now uh about an hour and a half later it's by late fives almost six o'clock christine shipley the neighbors these fucking nosy neighbors they just watching everyone's arrivals if you saw both members of a family both come home. You're looking out the window too much. That's all there is to it. What time? When did your neighbor next door come home yesterday, Jimmy? I don't know if my neighbor's alive. If he disappeared for six months and the cops came to my door and said, have you seen your neighbor?

I go, wow, he's been gone for six months. Okay. I would have no fucking idea where he went or if he's gone or not these people the only reason i know anybody over there comes home is because he has a severely autistic son who evidently adores me and if he sees me he just shouts my name that's cool bud awesome that's cool be nice to that fucking kid jimmy ryan let's hang out some other time i got stuff i gotta go do something no be nice to that damn kid though oh he's great he's a good kid he's just jesus he loves me otherwise unless you smell decomposing flesh coming from over there

yeah you'd have no goddamn idea these people know who came home at what time and what car they were driving that's wild That's too much information. Way too much. If I'm the police, I'm like, never mind what's going on with this investigation. I'd like to know more about you because you, are you stalking people? Who else are you watching? Who else you got your eye on there? You know, what are you doing?

So they, uh, he, she gets home about an hour and a half later in her black Oldsmobile. So they got both of Oldsmobiles. This and hers old seats. That's different. You don't see that very often. Do we know where the Cutlass is or like a 442? What are they? No, no, no.

We're not talking must. This is the mid-80s. No race cars? No, no, no. This is like what I had. It's like when I was a teenager and my car was old. It's like a Cutlass Sierra from the mid-80s. Probably.

Four-doordoor nice and comfy the velour seats no not a big motor just comfortable floats along it's for old folk i had one i got it for like 150 and it was uh it just floated right along good in the snow you can plow right through anything it's great front. Front wheel drive. Anyway, not a muscle car. Nothing cool, though. I'll tell you that much. Whatsoever. None of that shit going on. So that's when she gets home.

So matching Oldsmobiles. That evening, Christine calls Martha Bowman. She's the manager of the liquor store where Christine works part time. And I guess Christine told her that she's not going to be able to come into work on the following Monday here because her husband had abandoned her. Oh, so he took off, just gone, peeling out of there in his cougar. Gone. Not as those will be on now. Cougar peeling on off in the cougar.

Oh, but that's a cool. Oh, but that's like kind of a muscly one. No. Early 80s. It's got a 302 in it. No, I think it that's a cool oh but that's like kind of a muscly one no early 80s it's got a 302 in it no i think it's like a larger escort at that point it's what it looks like pretty much those mercury cougars he's got a plastic dash absolutely that's what those 80s cougars cougars look like they look like a fucking large escort they were pieces of shit or must yeah yeah yeah not a mustang yeah no not even the fox body

now that at least was cooler than it was trying it was trying so he takes off now she tells the lady can't come into work i'm too distraught husband abandoned me again yeah obviously so partying in his coog oh god why does that sound sexual i don't know i got some coug last night sounds like something you would say guys would be like oh damn i would smack my friend i would just paint brush him don't you dare you walk out of the construction site and you're like got some coog last night and guys are like yeah yeah buddy you bastard jimmy got some coog i was knee deep in coog boy let me tell you something it was good stuff make me picture what that looked like i went down to the bar last night man had me a couple too many, but I'll tell you what. I woke up this morning.

I was like, got me some Coog, baby. It's all good. Night was worth it. Headache's worth it. It's all worth it. Because I was knee deep, and the Coog was everywhere last night. It was all over the place. Rubbed my eyes.

Could still smell it on my hands. Check that out. Coog. It's good Coog right there. Check that out. Coug. It's good coug right there. So the next day, the next day is a Sunday.

It's Sunday, July 29th, 1984. And Christine's got more phone calls to make. She calls Florence Hoffman, who's a secretary at the Maturity Center, which is where he works and uh hoffman says that christine called her up told her that william will not be coming into work the next morning because he quits his job oh i don't know why he's not he's had enough of your shit he asked me to tell you he doesn't really want to talk about it he's that upset that he can't even really express it so he told me to just let you know and then maybe if he later on if he can get his thoughts together, he'll tell you what's going on. So he thought, you know, perhaps I want to get rehired at a later date and figured I should probably break the news to you because he'd do it and he wouldn't be welcome back.

Yeah, that's all. He's going to use me as an agent, you know, more or less. So some inflammatory. He really he the way he quits is a different way than most he blows it up when he quits so i told him i'll take care of it she said that her and her husband had argued she said look i argued with him saturday evening and he moved out took his belongings and some furniture took it all away in a blue pickup truck he's gone so now away in a blue pickup truck. He's gone. So now there's a blue pickup truck involved and all of his shit's gone.

Either way, he's gone, quits his job, not coming back. Peace out. Bang. Bye, Florence. Have a good one. Later. Make the bread pudding yourself.

Peace out, Florence. Tell those old people to fucking starve. We don't give a shit. Order him pizza. Not my fucking problem moving on here's the number two dominoes motherfucker later so later on she calls again which is strange uh I don't understand um She calls again, talks to Florence again. It's a whole weird thing. But either way, same story. He's gone.

All his shit. Blue pickup truck. Talks to her again on Monday, the next day. And now he also, there's a blue pickup truck, all his stuff. He also took his Mercury Cougar, obviously, that he peeled away in. And he took about $4,000 in cash as well now as two so he just took off he cleaned out their money got took all his stuff so florence the lady from the maturity center tells christine at the time she thought william she's like wait a second i thought

william traded his cougar in when he got that oldsmobile didn't didn't he didn't he trade the cougar in and she said no the coug. Didn't he trade the Cougar in? And she said, no, the Cougar has been sitting in the garage the whole time. He didn't trade it. He just bought the Oldsmobile, and he took off in the Cougar now. So that's the way it works. I have his Oldsmobile here still. He took off in the Cougar.

So the next day now, this is the next day after he's missing. We'll go back. Two days passed. She talked to Florence twice. The Sunday after he's gone, the 30th of July, the 29th of July, two of relatives of Christine said that she had dinner with them that Sunday night. And, you know, all that shit. and um you know all that shit uh one of her uh relatives here said that she also joined the whole family in a birthday celebration for her mother at noon on sunday sunday july 29th so this is the same day she calls to say that you know william quits his job and he's taken off

she's okay to go birthday parties yeah she's parties. Yeah, she's at a birthday party. She's eating dinner with people. She's doing just fine. So July 31st comes along now. Monday. That's Tuesday. 30th was Monday. Tuesday, yeah.

29th was Sunday. Yeah. So July 31st comes along. So now he's not been to work for a few days. So the director of the Maturity Center calls. We're getting beyond Florence at this point. We're going over Florence's along now. So now he's not been to work for a few days. So the director of the maturity center calls. We're getting beyond Florence at this point. We're going over Florence's head now. Listen, Florence, you've been fine and helpful, but we got to really do this.

This is Robert Boniwell is his name or Boniwell. He speaks to Christine on the phone and he says christine told him that she and her husband fought and that william peeled off in his cougar or he gunned it but it didn't peel off it like slowly took off because it's a four-cylinder but it's still and then while it happened the headlights dimmed while he gunned it the headlights dimmed as he drove away it needs power for other things the speedometer bounced in a bay all big, yeah. And she said that he returned the next day, Sunday, in a blue pickup truck

to remove some of his possessions from the home. And that's all I know about him. So Christine, over the next few days, at some point, contacted Martha Bowman, the liquor store woman,

her boss at the liquor store, one more time. And she said that, Bowman says that Christine asked for some boxes on this call. She said, hey, can you give me some boxes? She said, I'm moving out of this house. Since he took off, I'm not going to fucking pay for this house. $69,000 balloon payment. I can't do this.

What an asshole. I'm out. Why would he do that to me? She said, I'm going to go live in the trailer park that we own since we already own that. There you go. At least that's a free place to live., I'm going to go live in the trailer park that we own since we already own that. Brilliant. There you go. At least that's a free place to live. So she's going to go there. So she said, can I have some boxes?

Which a liquor store is a good place because everything comes in boxes there. Right. And they're strong boxes, too. They have to have fucking heavy liquor. Cardboard. Yeah, that's that good cardboard. You can put like your electric. Yeah, you can put like your dishes with some newspaper back in the day and that shit.

Yeah. I recommend bubble wrap now. You can get it your dishes with some newspaper back in the day and that shit. Yeah. I recommend bubble wrap now. You can get it very cheap on Amazon. But anyway, so they said that they were, she's going to do that. Bowman says, I don't have any empty boxes. She must have just broken them down or something because that's crazy. That seems insane that she has no empty boxes in a liquor store. I'm sorry.

That's a lie i would call her on that and be like listen martha you're full of shit no this isn't oh it's not amish martha this is liquor store martha i'm sorry i called the amish martha before listen martha you and florence i've about had it with both of you i'm gonna be realistic here with everybody i need boxes this one's not helping me over here. I got a lot of problems. She claims she just got rid of them. All right. No boxes. So she says, I have no boxes, but I can make a box for you. I can get you at least a box. So stop by, get a box. So she comes by. Christine comes by and picks up a box that is a Sun Country Coolers box, which I assume is wine coolers.

Wine coolers. Sun Country Coolers. That sounds awful. That'll give you such a bad headache. Sun Country Coolers. Nothing hydrating about it. Yeah. And the shakes.

It sounds refreshing. You won't get drunk, but you will have a headache and your hands will shake like you're an alcoholic and you'll absolutely fail a breathalyzer so be careful but you just won't feel good about it so tomorrow morning you will have diabetes you definitely will have diabetes so she gets uh she gets the sun country coolers box and she takes it home so christine has that box we know so the call on july 31st comes in from the boss that we talked about remember he called the william called william's boss called the director of the center and said what's up so on that day christine she let him in and be behind the curtain a little bit here on their marriage and she said listen there's been some problems

here um you know with robert that or with william that you don't know about robert's the guy she's talking to some stuff that you don't know about with william um you know they've had issues um said that you know he's he's very mean to me he doesn't seem to like me he's all this stuff and the boss was surprised because he says later on that william had only spoken favorably of christine never said a bad word about her he says as a matter of fact quote he's very proud of her and her job so says she's proud of her she likes what she does she's a hard-working person and apparently nothing but nice things to say about christine in public and he's very happy that she took him back after he disappeared for two years yeah you owe him one on that you owe her one on that one yeah two years

but wow he's got to be quite the salesman imagine what he can sell imagine you better sing her fucking praises though dude imagine you leave your wife and you just leave for like, I don't know, 20 months or so. You just take off, right? 20, 22 months. You're just gone. No word, no nothing. You're living with another lady and she only knows that through use of a private investigator so that she could track you down to divorce your ass.

Out of the blue, you show up at the door and do you think you could not only get her to like you again in six days, but get her to marry you legally again in six days? Imagine that. Marry you legally, quit her job, take another one, and buy a trailer park. That's four years later, though. That's four years later. She wanted to quit the police force, so I think this is her idea, the move and everything.

That's not on him. But to take it back. crazy maybe that's why he went along with it because he's like i don't want to buy a trailer park but i really owe her one i took off he's talking to one of his friends he's like i took off for like for like two years it was a long time like it was it was a while like she had different color hair when i got back. It was really a long time. I barely recognized her. She was a totally different person. It's wild.

I had and shaved. She likes different things. Her taste in food is different. She no longer likes sour cream. It's been two years. Her favorite dish, not even the same anymore. I grew and shaved three different mustaches over that time. That's how long it was. Drew and shaved three different mustaches over that time.

That's how long it was. So she then goes on to tell the boss that, well, it's not that way with me. He takes off on me all the time. This wasn't just back then that he took off. He takes off all the time. She said that she tells this guy, I've complained to everybody. I've complained to my neighbors and my friends about him assaulting me all the time. I've complained to my neighbors and my friends about him assaulting me all the time and also complained of, and this is a quote from her, complained that he's, quote, involved with an oriental woman in Dover. And he also took $6,000 from their bank accounts when he left the last time, not this time, the last time he left.

So, yeah, and there's obviously all these problems. There's issues with the with the Far East. It's become geopolitical at this point now. It's very different. So the boss here, his boss, Bonnewell, he says he last saw William Shipley after the picnic. And he said that William told a group at the picnic that he once placed this is that day that he told them this little anecdote William said one

time I placed a wig on a mannequin and I put it in my bed as a practical joke to scare his wife who's in my bed but obviously it's nobody so he also this is the boss said quote he had told me what a good shot his wife was. I said, Bill, that was a good way to get shot then.

And he just laughed and said, yeah. And and said that, yeah, I guess she missed her chance. And they all laughed about it. And then he went home and disappeared. So that's what happened. He Bonnewell said last thing he said to the last thing William said to him before he took off was that he'd see him at work on Monday. Have a good one, buddy. So that's out.

They said that his boss, Bonowell, said it's very out of character for him to miss work. And he just doesn't miss work. And if he does, he absolutely calls. And he just doesn't no-call, no-show it. So at this point, the boss here, Bonowell, doesn't no call no show it he uh so at this point the boss the boss here bono well doesn't like what he's hearing he doesn't like it doesn't say something sounds fishy and it's unlike william to disappear as far as this guy knows so he calls the cops yeah this isn't stirring the kool-aid baby yeah he files a missing persons report because he's like i don't

care how he fought with you he would call me and tell me he's not coming to work if he needed to move out of his house and all that shit. Yeah. And he knows who to quit to. You don't quit to Florence. You quit to me. You don't. Yeah. You don't quit to Florence through your wife.

That's not how this works. Now, here's the procedure. When they're hiring you, they're walking you through. It's in your packet. If you ever have to leave, if you need to resign from your position, what you do is you have your wife, girlfriend, spouse, boyfriend. We don't ask questions. Whatever you're into isn't really up to us.

But have them call Florence and let them know what's going on. And Florence will relay that message right on up to your boss. She'll bring it on up the line and it'll all get sorted out. But that's how we do it. Significant other to Florence. I'm sorry. it's the only way we can do it if you don't have a significant other if you have like an aunt maybe or like a mother or like an older sister you can use somebody else has to do it it's just no you can't quit on your own you need a witness there it's like a notary so they said that he said he called the police, filed the missing person. He said that Christine also this came from the boss.

He said that Christina talked to Florence as well. And what he told what she told Florence and what she told him weren't exactly the same. And he didn't Bonnewell didn't sit well with him either. So he said, yeah, because Florence said that said that William Shipley called her the day after the picnic to say he had left the the home after they argued and he'd be quitting his job. Not he called. She called to say that. I'm sorry. When the boss Bonowell learned of that conversation, he told his employees to be on the lookout for Shipley and his white Oldsmobile. And then he waited until the 31st to call the home. And then he got Christine saying that her husband left in the Cougar. And he's like, but he has an Oldsmobile.

He said that he knew William told him that he traded the Cougar in for the Oldsmobile, period. He knows he told him that. It was about a month beforehand, so it's not like it's fresh in his memory. He said that after he saw, after he drove home, he went past a used car lot, Bonnewell. He's doing detective work. The police should definitely give him an assist here. He decided to do his own little investigation of where William bought his Oldsmobile. He drove past there and saw his old Cougar in the lot for sale that he had traded in.

Oh, about that. So he's like, okay, the Cougar's in there. She told this lady that he took off in the Cougar, which obviously isn't true. I don't really like this whole thing here. I don't dig it. He had a nice car if they kept it and put it on the lot. Yeah, they didn't just take it to be crushed. Right.

Or wholesale. Or auctioned somewhere. So also Christine told the boss Bonnewell that William had thrown off his wedding ring during an argument about money and had embarrassed her by putting furniture on the front lawn and then carting it away in his friend's truck. So that was his story. And also, he said she started going off about the, quote, Oriental woman. So according to the boss, Bonoel, he heard it, but he had, quote, no evidence of seeing either a Korean or a Filipino woman who attended the bingo games at the center, who is apparently the focus of the accusations.

He doesn't know who that is. So it's all very confusing. the previous Christmas and that this fight was because she said she'd no longer tolerate his abuse so he threw off a wedding ring threw off his ring, grabbed all the money and his car that he traded in a month ago took off, came back with a blue pickup truck

put all the furniture on the lawn then loaded it in the pickup used it as a staging area to embarrass her then loaded it in the pickup and took off and is gone and unseen since. And he quits his job. That's and unseen since and that's a big day it's a big day and a big story that's yeah it's a lot of story is what that is it's a whole shitload of story i wonder why the fucking okay the cougar why do you why do you say that

if you know he's got it traded in well the, the Oldsmobile's still at the house. That's why. Yeah. So you have to say, how the hell did he leave? How he left. He left in his Cougar. That way, if anybody from work drives by the house, sees his Oldsmobile out there, they don't go, oh, he's home.

They go, oh. Yeah, but it's still, it's fucking crazy. It's absolutely. It's a story that can't get backed up. No, because it's a story that she's she tells one person one thing then as the day goes on she's got to change it slightly and then when you get two people that you've talked to three days apart from each other and then they talk and compare stories those are now different stories so doing it on the fly is no good it's

no good you need to make a chart man if you're gonna kill somebody you got to do it like you need a board and a chart with strings connecting things you got to do it like you need a board and a chart with strings connecting things. You got to do it the right. And then you got to get rid of that board because when they find that you're really fucked. That's how it works. It's really difficult to do.

That's why we have not easy. That's why we have an endless supply of cases because people get caught a lot for murders. It's too easy to get caught. It's outside. Outside of people hard to get away with it. Well, because outside of people who do it for a living, whether it's in their line of business, in their underworld business, killing people is not a big deal. People get away with that shit a lot or something like that. If it's your wife or your husband, you really got to pull something off to get away with that shit.

You're up to your neck in quicksand when they see you even if you weren't home they think you killed your spouse so yeah immediately you're the suspect so you it has to be so far you didn't do it that it's not even funny for them to start looking at other people right it's gotta be a robert fisher guy in scottsdale is the that guy got up. I mean, he didn't necessarily get away with it. We all never been caught and was involved. But yeah, never been so far. So good. Well, I guess it depends on how you look at it. But yeah, he's doing OK.

Evidently, I don't know. He got away with it. It's very strange, man. Some people think they can do that dismount and they can't. You really got to have some shit planned out. You do. And this doesn't sound like it was. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had

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front doors wide open all the lights are turned on oh she called her friend up and was like i came home the fucking front door is wide open all of her husband all. All of the lights are on. The mail's gone. My pile of mail is gone. She tells her friend, her friend Catherine Nye, she's like, listen, Kathy, I'm pretty sure it was William. He came in. He took all the mail as a joke. He's trying to fuck with me, I think. That's what he's doing.

That's it. She said she got home from work, and this is from the friend. She said, quote, she told me that only she and Bill had keys to the house. So she said that's all there is to it. So it has to be that. So it's the key, not the house, the Riverside. Yes, the house, not the Riverside trailer court that they own. Right. So Christine then moved into the park after selling the house,

So Christine then moved into the park after selling the house. And her friend said that the police had asked her questions as well and said about the police, quote, I felt intimidated. I almost felt like I had done something wrong. This is her friend. She said she came over because she was called and said that the door was wide open. She said she found Christine or Christine uh or christy is christy or i've seen it written as christy and christine it's christine but it's also christy they call her so i don't know what the fuck we're talking about here it's christine in goddamn court documents and then it's christy and other

parts of court documents we're going with lady Shipley at this point because it's bothering the shit out of me. This is a goddamn. This should be easy. And it's the Christie, I guess, Christie. But then sometimes, Christine, it's really annoying. Literally different court documents. Oh, this is so annoying. The widow Shipley.

This is what we don't know that he's disappeared. He ran away in his cougar. So Ms. Shipley here. um where the hell am i now okay so she said that uh nye said that when she came over the friend she found shipley sitting alone in a windowless room with little furniture at that point so she said that she sat with her and later on, too, she'll she'll sit with her when the police talk to her. The police want to search her house. So she comes and hangs out with her. Anyway, Christine, she said when she talked to Shipley, Ms. Shipley, she told her friend, I don't know if I'm considered a murderer or a suspect. And she was crying. So there was that. So he they he by the way they say there's a history

he left her as many as eight times in 13 years that's how many times he would take off so i don't know he likes to wander so he's a wanderer man he's a bounder for a married man that's the most nomadic fuck i've ever heard eight times my god that's wild man that is some eight times is a lot and one of those is a full divorce think about that jesus so august 8th 1984 no one's heard from him yet it's been like 10 days no one's heard a goddamn word yeah not not a nothing can be found of him so the dover police receive a complaint it's not about william or about this whole case they've you know the boss already called and that's that so and he's an adult so they just file it down hey keep an eye out for this guy if whatever you

know there's no evidence of anything until they find several large green trash bags that are along Persimmon Tree Lane in Dover. And they've been there for several days. People report that they've been there for several days emitting a foul odor. So what day of the foul odor do you call the cops? What day is that exactly? Do you the first day you take a whiff and go man that smells like rotting meat we'll see if it clears up by tomorrow is that what you do i've seen uh too many shows heard too many podcasts i day one god damn it probably it's

probably something you have to especially have to be on this goddamn show yeah it won't have to get too strong for me to call somebody no uh but several days so the patrolman comes out and says oh it's actually not you know strange for us it's animal it's an animal carcass oh that's what somebody bagged up an animal carcass must have got it by a car or something they bagged it up but left it here didn't take it with them but nice of them to bag it up for us anyway that That's nice. So he calls out a sanitation crew who, you know, doesn't, that's not an evidence thing. So they just take the bags and take them to the city dump and fucking toss them in there. Okay. Garbage bags full of animal carcass.

So then the next day there is the field crest apartments near Dover, Delaware. And maintenance workers there, they're throwing some shit out that they were cleaning out an apartment. And what they find is on top of the dumpster, there's a box that they have to move to get their shit, all the shit in, because they have something big, so they have to open both sides.

You know how the dumpsters have the two flaps? Yeah, the big plastic flaps. Most of them are complex. Most of the time, there's only one flap open, unless someone throws a love seat in there, and then they open the flaps and you put that in there so they needed to open it up both ways but there's a box sitting on top of it so they take the it's a sun country coolers box by the way oh sun country sun country coolers wine box they take it down they pull it down um now this, this is George Big is his name.

He's the maintenance worker. He said he reached into the box because it was, oh, my God, the box contained a garbage bag. So he opened the garbage bag because I'm curious to see what's in garbage bags and discarded boxes on top of dumpsters. Aren't you curious about that, Jimmy? That is a crazy action wouldn't you just take that whatever that is and push it into the dumpster from probably i wouldn't even pick it off of there i just slide it along the top of the lid into the open part of the dumpster and then open the lid and throw whatever i've got in that shit and walk away never think about it ever ever

ever again i'm not curious about garbage. I'll say that. I have very little refuse curiosity when it comes to the world. I don't care what you have in your garbage. So anyway, he says he sees it. He opens up the garbage bag full of maggots everywhere. It's moving, man. So at that point, what would you do if you did

let's say you've taken the extra step that we would not take that we've you've you've said what's in this sun country coolers box oh a garbage bag hmm wonder wonder what's in here and you've opened it okay you've gotten that far so now you see maggots moving all over the place now what do you do probably throw up from the smell that emanates because if there's maggots it's rotten while i throw that thing into the dumpster hopefully it'll go in the dumpster because i'm throwing it i'm i'm curious what i am curious is about curious is what i'm curious about is what goes further the bag or the projectile vomit i'm about to do no shit well george is a different kind of cat than either one of us jimmy does he empty the bag this is what he does there's other maintenance

workers there so they're there together he's gonna he he thinks this is gonna be funny and he's gonna play a joke on them no so he thinks it's an animal carcass in there it's like a dead cat or something from one of the apartments. So he reaches into this maggot filled bag of meat. Okay. And scoops up whatever this is into his hand. Who the fuck? Who's doing this?

A number one. Who's doing this? He said he took it out and he said he told the other guys, quote, quote, I told the other guys, this will blow your mind. And he picked it up. He thought it was an animal at first, picked it up and turned it around. And it's a human head. Yeah. It's not an animal.

It's literally a human head. He said, I reached. Everybody on site's head exploded. They all went, holy shit. And he went, ah, and threw it it he thought it was a dead cat or something it's a fucking maggot covered human head oh my god that's been sitting in the summer sun for god knows how long uh he george says quote i reached in and turned it like this he said spreading his palm in a rotating motion we We all see what he's doing.

That's exactly what he said. And then he said, quote, it stunk like hell. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's covered in maggots. That should have been thought number one. What the fuck are you doing reaching in? Don't do that, everybody.

Is this barehanded? I don't know if he's got like a like a worker's glove on but there isn't a glove thick enough to do that shit right no i need the whole suit like um you know like there's a nuclear fallout i need like a whole head to toe it's gonna you're gonna hear when i breathe every time yeah the plastic thing in front of you is gonna get foggy every time yeah the like the plastic that looks like a little sheet of plastic that's like four inches in front of my face though because there's a lot of apparatus in there for filtration and breathing and things that's what i'd have going on this guy is just like hey want to see something this is gonna blow you this is gonna blow your mind ah it's a fucking head and they all ran away so if he didn't throw up that's the

toughest stomached man on earth he has to be anyway he reached into a bag of maggots because he thought that would be funny he's got to have a strong stomach yeah he touched like he touched voluntarily he was like what is this oh it's just maggots and a dead thing i better grab that that's cool what what is this man seen what could he have found in there that he wouldn't have scooped out with his bare hands that's my point maggots and was willing to touch it yeah if it was dog shit would that have been different i think he would have been like hey look at that and put it under people's faces too i don't think there's one substance in there that he wouldn't have taken with him out a handful of it with him out of there i thought you were gonna say he saw maggots

and he picked up the bag and hit somebody with it that is exactly what i saw happening this gonna blow your mind and then there's three stooges fucking after that pillow fight drilling people with a maggot filled trash this this is insanity man this is wild i don't know what to say about this so after the he finds this he contacts the police at least that's nice they didn't just toss it into the dumpster and be like well i guess it's not wine coolers and walk away they called the cops so it's at this point they're like oh there was a head and a that's you know remember the other day remember those bags we found and just had the sanitation workers throw in the dump we should probably we should probably do it like a checkup on that one right we should probably go

back to the dump and dig those up and let's just make sure that's a carcass of an animal because we're not used to finding just severed heads you know just willy-nilly around town either so let's make sure so they had to go back to the dump dig through the this is the summer man it's august they gotta dig through the dump for rotting carcass of some kind they find the bags okay wow yeah because they know what area they were put in based on how you know the load drops and how they that sounded terrible too i got hey man i had a coug and did some load dropping last night i did a big load drop with this coug man it was with some cougs got some coug and some low drop regardless of the fact that they know the area that they still at least picked up one bag and was like not it and oh you know it they dug through it found somebody's like bank statements and we're like no that's not the one wasn't bag one i guess the

green the the fact that there were these green bags stood out too they were a different color than usual so that stood out in these bags when they opened them again this police officer that looked at them the first time um not very good at identifying things we'll say i don't know if he needed glasses or after this he went right to the optometrist and got like a new set of contacts or something it's time for a thicker pair yeah i guess so what do you think dear i think it's time for a thicker pair. Yeah, I guess so. What do you think, dear? I think it's time for a thicker pair. So now what do you think, dear? They open the bags and say, holy shit, that's a full torso. Not of a carcass, not of an animal, but a fucking human.

That is a human torso in this one bag. And some other shit in another bag. So yeah, this is bad stuff. Let's see if that goes with the head maybe otherwise we have more problems than we thought to begin with my god anyway well you know one person's dead at least this is the rest of them hopefully that's what they're hoping for fingers crossed fingers crossed so on aug 10th, the medical examiner's office reports that the remains of the head appear to be of a middle-aged white male, somewhere in their 50s. But there's a margin of error when we're talking about a decomposing head. You know, it's kind of hard to tell. With full upper and lower dentures.

So there's dentures in the mouth. That helps, you know, to find out who he is. He'd been killed by a gunshot to theures in the mouth. That helps to find out who he is. He'd been killed by a gunshot to the back of the neck. That's what they determined. Fuck. The examiner also says that the trash bags holding the body contained what appeared to be deodorizer pads as well. So there's deodorizers in the bag of body in the torso bag. No amount of deodorizers is going to overwhelm a rotting torso in the August sun.

It's just not going to happen. We're talking like laundry sheets or like... They call them deodorizer pads. And we'll get into a little bit more, but I think they're for a car, if I'm not mistaken, because they're made by shell, as we'll talk about here. Yeah, they're certainly for a car then i think they're for a car so immediately the second this this torso is found it the newspapers go batshit with this and over i mean it's a big deal it becomes known as the dover torso murder so now it's the torso murder the torso murder all the headlines are the torso

murder case so it's become the torso murder. That's a bad name. It really is. It's just the murder we found the torso. They're not very creative in Delaware, apparently. They can't figure out anything to do except ride bikes with the Amish or call this the torso murders. this the torso murders so ms shipley here uh when she was told that a body was found you know torso and a head were found all over dover she said quote oh boy isn't that something else oh so she didn't seem real concerned about it just you know whatever so let's do a body parts recovered

scoreboard at this point okay right now if we're making a little like a hangman thing um we have a head and a torso that's it so head torso no extremities whatsoever that's the table of content so far yeah you got about three letters left to get this hangman and um yeah you have you still got arms and legs and feet and hands to get here so that's what we have missing on rst l and e you're okay you're fine arms legs hands feet missing okay now uh the torso weighed 65 pounds when they found it too which is very very strange um a bullet was lodged in the neck of the decapitated head was will later be found to link to ammunition found in William Shipley's home and Christie Shipley's home in August,

18, 1984. Now the state medical examiner says that the severed bones had clean cuts. He also said splinters in some of the skeletal remains showed that an amateur could have done the decapitation and dismemberment. This wasn't like, uh, you know, uh, some mob guy with 30 dismemberments under his belt. This wasn't a hit.

This is somebody soldered. It wasn't a hit nor a surgeon. Yeah, exactly. This isn't Jack the Ripper or anything here. So evidence. Let's talk about evidence. All right, let's just sum it up. No one at the maturity center had any contact with William after the camping trip there on the 28th or the afternoon trip.

Shipley's son testifies later on that he had not seen or heard from him. The office responsible for dispersing his pension checks. This is important. Now, his pension checks from the police. These are this is what he lives on here. Had not received any communication from him regarding a change of address so if he was moving getting out of his house with his wife he would definitely put his change of address in to get his check sent to him he's there and when

they stopped sending the checks uh in september 84 based on the news that was going on, there was no complaint made. Really? Yeah. Christie didn't call and complain or any of that shit. And he didn't call and complain. Check stopped and no one complained. Normally, if someone's got a pension and check stopped, you're going to hear about that shit pretty quick. Yeah, because that pension's how I survive.

Exactly. Also, zero activity on William Shipley's credit union account from the day he disappeared on no activity so he left and just abandoned all banking wherever he went requires no money no banking at all um the records of his bank account also disclosed no unusual activity before july 28th when he disappeared so he didn't like put in a large sum of money take out a large sum of money like if someone's preparing to leave you can tell in their banking what they're doing you know what i'm saying like they don't just have their normal bank account leave they either get some money they put to take some money out they put some money in whatever the case is or something and uh also

they find out that that particular insecticide slash deodorant This is the deodorant pads here. It's an insecticide slash deodorant. I don't know what there is. It's called Can Care. That's the name of the brand. That's the pads. And the holders found in both the garbage bags containing body parts there. Now, they said they're very unique, these pads.

They've been manufactured by the Shell Oil Company sometime before 1974. These pads, because the entire product line had been discontinued in 1975. Okay. So these deodorant pads are at least nine years old. They don't even make them anymore. They haven't made them for almost 10 years, which is a very... So it's not like someone could have went down to the local grocery store and picked these up. Or some fucking automotive shop.

These are long gone. These were bought so long ago, who knows? So that's not a good way to try to get them. You got them and you had them. Yeah, if you got them, they're probably suspecting you of a torso murder at this point if you had them in your possession. you of what was of a torso murder at this point if you had them in your possession so saturday august 11th 1984 um christy and uh the liquor store manager go out to dinner that night i got to get this all out of my head bodies are being found this is ridiculous now uh the liquor store manager says that shipley asked to borrow a pickup truck staying saying she wanted to cart some

things including her bed to the dump i, including her bed, to the dump. I take a bunch of stuff to the dump, including my bed, so can I borrow your pickup truck that night? Now, that's Saturday, August 11th. Monday, August 13th, 1984, this is William Shipley's boss, Bonowell again. Bonnewell again he said that after he read about the discovery of the body uh that all of that shit the body parts he was troubled uh about you know the disappearance that's when he called the cops at that point because of the conflicting stories he's far here and body parts are are you know being found then he investigated saw the cougar at the dealership and he's like okay it was fine the cougar and some lies I don't want to get involved in people's marriages,

but now heads are being found. Yeah, that's too much. It's getting a lot. So the police confirmed that his cougar, the one that he owned, is in fact in the dealer's parking lot in Dover. That is his car. And it's been there.

Yeah, exactly. They know exactly what car it is. They go, who traded this car in? William Shipley. Perfect, done. Thank you. That's it is. They go, who traded this car in? William Shipley. Perfect. Done. Thank you. That's it.

They have a record. They have a receipt. And at the same time, they said it's been there since early July when William Shipley traded it in. So there was that. Now, Christy Shipley's liquor store boss, Martha Bowman, she said at the same time she was asking to borrow her car, she was asking her for information about the dumps as well. Can I borrow your truck? Yeah, I got to take some stuff to the dump. You know how that is.

Done with my marriage and moving and all that stuff. She then asked some weird questions that people don't normally ask about dumps. Sure. If you say, what's a good dump to go to what are the questions you're asking about the dump can i dump shit does it cost money how much money does it help uh can i do it by myself yeah can i is it do you bring an electric bill or does it cost like 20 bucks or does it work bodies do they no she said what if i was asking you about dumps and i said hey who's in the people in of the dumps, do they inspect the trash as you bring it in?

That's a weird question. That's a weird question when someone's husband's missing and heads and torsos are being found around the county. It's an odd question. Do you have a lot of paint buckets around your house that you're trying to discard? What do you say? Oil. She's got old oil she's going to get rid of. She doesn't care about that shit.

So very strange at that point. Co-workers of her as well, Christy Shipley, they'll say that Christy had told them that she suspected her husband of having an affair with now it's a Korean woman

who played bingo at the senior center where he worked. Okay. Okay. Okay. So this is Pamela List and Janice Henry, who both worked with Christy when she was a corrections officer. They said she both said that she believed her husband was having an affair with another woman. List, who was Christy's partner there at the corrections deal, said, quote, she didn't like the affair because she was

korean the woman she wouldn't have minded if she would have just had sex with someone who wasn't korean but the fact that this guy was banging a korean woman was particularly galling for her yeah that what do you give a shit who's someone cheating you, cheating on you with? I don't give a shit what they are. That doesn't make it worse. A Korean. Neither better nor worse. I won't have that. That's too far. I'm sorry.

If you'd said like a Laotian, if I could deal with that, but I'm not Cambodian, I'm not dealing with Koreans. I won't. I refuse. Fuck, man. So Koreans. Yeah. I refuse. Fuck, man.

So Koreans. Yeah. Anyway, the Korean woman who had not been identified was told they said about her that this is what Christie thought, that she, quote, lived on the Dover Air Force Base or her husband was employed at the base. She has something to do with the base. This mysterious Korean bingo player right this mysterious korean uh korean bingo succubus she's just coming for you she's gonna take you in yeah she's a oh my god this is wild so she uh she also uh shipley cited difficulty working with uh with that particular person who testified later on the one she worked with she said she didn't like her so she said you shouldn't uh you shouldn't take

what she has to say to mean anything she also in later on in august christy resigns her position at the prison and uh she cites difficulty working with this henry woman as the janice henry as the reason why she quits on her you know outro document there so um now list on the other hand that other woman that she's her partner said that christy was like a mother to her and they often discussed christy's marital problems so like a mom august 19th 1984 christy starts a new job she gets a new job um yeah this is amazing she gets a new job this is at the ames department store i don't know if they had ames out west but they had ames in new york i saw him while i was well while i was around here a-m-e-s they don't have them around here anymore. I know for a fact.

Where did I see one? No. There is one because I saw it while I was coming in on a plane. You saw it from the air? From the air. You picked out an Ames from 30,000 feet. What the hell are you talking about? Not that high. Jesus Christ, James. You're picking out individual... Wait a second.

Wait a second. You're picking out individual stores on the way into. While landing, looking out the window, you can see fucking signs. Yeah. New York City. Newark. Okay. All right.

Maybe. I haven't seen a names in a long time. I'm not saying I'm not denying. I swear to God, there's still one there. There probably, they just, there used to be one in Fishkill that was not there. Okay. That's not there. It hasn't been there for 20 years now so i'm like that's like in and out of newark like i'm tony soprano hey she's flying out of newark yeah you gotta you're flying out of newark when we're fucking done with this so you gotta you're going back to newark god damn it in about an hour and a

half so um anyway jesus she starts a new job she tells her supervisor you're starting a new job first of all hi my husband's missing they found a torso it's kind of weird yeah on top of that she's like i consulted a psychic to find my missing husband is what she tells her boss here um so you know this is um pretty crazy here. I got to do that. She works at the store for two days and then resigns. That was fast. So, yeah, works there two days, says she hired a psychic and then leaves. Okay. The district manager for the 10 AIMS stores in the region, Brian Booth.

Big shot over here. Yeah. Ten stores underneath me. Ten AIMS. My goodness, sir. Wow. Hey, W. My goodness, sir. Wow. Hey, Winky Winky, buddy.

What's going on with you? Shit. He said, quote, she said her husband was in Tennessee. Now he's in Tennessee. And she said she had contacted a psychic in Florida who told her that he was now in Atlantic City. Wow. That's what she said. Yeah, she said that's what it is.

Now, the psychic also suggested that she, oh, I'm sorry, Booth, the manager here. He suggested that she call her husband to tell him that she would be home late. And she agreed. This is wild. Her first night there, she said she was working late to do training stuff, and he said, you should call your husband and tell him. And she said, oh, yeah, no problem. Dialed the phone and started talking to someone. Hi, honey, I'll be home late and hung up the phone.

Then two days later, before she quit, she told him that her husband disappeared and that she just went to a psychic who told her that her husband's in Atlantic City city even though she thinks he's in tennessee but two days ago she was home she knew exactly where to call him see this is getting a little muddy now there's a lot of muck in here so phone records of the calls of the call that she made from the store they they looked up the phone records who the fuck did she call she called k nye her friend that we talked about before. She called Kay. She called Kay, and yeah, that was it. That's what she called. Then, she wasn't scheduled to

work again until August 22nd, but that day, she called the manager Booth to ask him to meet her at a Greenwood restaurant where she told him she would have to resign. You've worked at a retail store for two days. You don't need to sit down over a have to resign. You've worked at a retail store for two days. You don't need to sit down over a meal and resign. This isn't the fucking, you know, you're not general manager of an NFL team here.

You know, it's fine. Hey, dude, I'm quitting. All right, cool. That's all. They'll get more applications from the teenagers who are coming in. It's fine. It's retail. Like retail, you literally have a pile of them sitting on my desk.

I'll get it. Don't worry about it. I've worked retail. You move. You go from one store to the sitting on my desk. I'll get it. Don't worry about it. I've worked retail. You move. You go from one store to the other to the other. You just go until you get sick of shit. So then that day, she said she hadn't heard from her husband since January 31st or July 31st. So this guy's like, I am so confused.

I thought you talked to him. I don't know what's going on. I thought you just talked to him two days ago and I told you you were awake. You just talked to me two days ago, and I told you you were awake. Now, the reason she quit is because on August 21st, 1984, the police are ready to serve a search warrant on her house. Oh, really? They get a warrant, and on August 21st, 7.45 a.m., they knock on the front door. Yeah.

Tell her, yeah, you know why we're here. You know us, and you know why we're here. And it's Detective Shanainer and Smith. They arrive in plain clothes. The residence, by the way, is like three blocks from the Delaware State Police Troop No. 3. So this is right down the street from the cops. At the door, they tell her that, you know, the whole deal. She invited them into her house and then she contacted her attorney william vaughn she called him vaughn represented her in several civil matters but

does not practice criminal law so he's the guy you want to talk to about this he'd maybe call her and go can you could you connect me to a lawyer who knows about this shit not you so vaughn told her that if police possessed a warrant, they could legitimately search her home. There's nothing she could do about it, which that is actually true. So good legal advice there. So the police search, they produce a search warrant

signed by a superior court judge. Nothing you can do. Vaughn told her over the phone that she's, you know, you're fucked basically. They're going to look through your shit and Shipley is going to get driven to the state police troop to await right down the street to await their finishing. So she's not standing outside. The officers promised the attorney on the phone that she will not be questioned until he arrives.

That's the deal they make. Vaughn arrives at the police station at about 10 a.m., speaks to Shipley alone and tells the authorities. The authorities have told him that they believe they've recovered her husband's missing body. And while there, Vaughn, the lawyer, didn't review the warrant documents or ascertain the results of the ongoing search. He just checked in on her. He leaves the station about an hour later to go to go back to his office he'll come back later on this afternoon to the police station she remained there she's visited by several friends as the police continue to do the search warrant k-9 comes and sees her and all that kind of shit

now during the search the police sees a blood-stained mattress not with a little bit of blood in it soaked through a small section which had cut out, because I cut sections out of my mattress. How many sections do you have cut out of your mattress, Jimmy? Tons, right? It depends on how, you know, sometimes when it's lumpy, I like to take two, three, four sections out. Yeah, I just like to take a butcher knife. For elbow holders, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's what it is.

It's nice. Or like for your ass, so your back can still lay flat. It's a very nice thing. Put your ass cheeks in there it's really it's really pretty good i take a butcher knife and i just carve out chunks of my mattress it's really if you're a side sleeper it's extra nice because you can just notch out the shape of your body perfect you you really people are like i sink into my mattress you don't know shit about sinking into your mattress yeah i like to keep my arm under my head on my side so i carve out an arm slot there as well makes keeps i like to get mine under the spring ah good call good call man so they take her mattress with a small

section been cut out covered in blood a baseball cap a revolver an empty box for the revolver a box of ammunition blue fibers from the trunk of her car a wristwatch trash bags can care insecticide and deodorizer pads they find at the house i'd like to do a do a like a poll of the neighborhood at that point let's knock on everyone's door how many people have these oh zero only you well there that's probably what you can say right there 10 year old uh expired product yeah strange and a photograph of william shipley one thing they don't find which they are looking for as a matter of fact william shipley's uh son apparently owns a or i'm sorry her son owns a considerable amount of, he owns a, he's a butcher, his son. His son had given through that William tons of like butchering stuff.

So William Shipley owns a lot of meat butchering equipment, including a very, very, you know, efficient meat saw to use that cuts through. An electric knife? No, no, no, no. It's a meat saw, but but it cuts through bone it's made to go through bone and shit it's a fucking holy shit yeah it's not made for wood it's made for bones it's a different type type of deal it's a special butcher product for a cow yeah for hacking up a cow so the one thing they can't find is the meat saw in the house and the son's like oh, the meat saw's there. Yeah, they keep it here.

It's not there. So no meat saw. Can't find that. Oh, boy. Now, back at the station where Christine is. Now, her attorney, Fawn, he gets back at about 4 p.m. In the meantime, Shipley, and the police haven't been questioning her. They're at the house searching.

So in the meantime, they gave her coffee. they offered her lunch uh she said she wasn't hungry she used the telephone to make a long distance phone call to a friend of hers so she's like while i'm here i might as well run up the old ld bill 80 style um and then uh then later visited by another friend uh who were admitted to into the interview room without anyone being searched by the way everyone's going in and out of the interview room that's not no official it's all very casual down here all very casual the lawyer vaughn returns about 4 p.m speaks with christy again out of the presence of the police she didn't complain about the treatment or anything like that she didn't say that you know whatever sweating me out in there uh she didn't complain of any illnesses or anything like that

she said she was getting hungry and thirsty though one of her friends got her some crackers and a soda from one of the vending machines and she was fine now when they sit her down there's things they need to talk about one is the mattress yeah the mattress it's here's a quote from uh the court documents here quote obvious blood streaks soaked through in one area from the top of the mattress to the foot of the bed in one area completely soaked through and a chunk taken out in the middle of that area and this was uh in the master bedroom of the house at the time other items they do discover a different hacksaw not the meat cutter in the trunk of her car blue fibers that matched a bedspread found with the body's torso by the way

uh deodorant pads that were as we said very unique to that also the same trap trash stick flash bags i almost said it again god damn it. Trash stick, plastic bags. Damn you. Why? Why can't I say those words together? Trash stick, plastic bags comes out so much easier than plastic trash bags. I have to really think about that for some reason.

God damn it. I can speak. You hear me talking. Damn it. I can get words out. So they found those bloodstains on the mattress, the carpet, bloodstains on the car seat. There's bloodstains fucking everywhere. It's a bloodbath. It is a bloodbath here.

Also, William Shipley owned a Smith & Wesson.38 caliber, which is.38 caliber bullet is recovered from the skull, which was not found during the two-day search either. So meat saw and gun are both gone. These are two things that should be there. Also taken from the home were electric carving knives, a nylon rope, and plastic garbage bags. And like we said, the hacksaw. So anyway, the lawyer gets back about 4 p.m the police indicate they want to take a statement from shipley she was gave they gave

her miranda warnings and uh she responded she didn't want to make any other she didn't want to make any statements yeah which is what you do so the police then explain that while they were indeed they are approaching you as a suspect at this point, they have to because, you know, the spouse is always the first suspect here. They said they need some explanations about her disappearance. Only you can provide them if you provided some good explanations and you're not a suspect anymore. It's going to be fine. So Vaughn asked for a few moments, the lawyer with his client. During the break, he told Christie that if she did not want to make a statement or had any concern or had anything that was not comfortable with, that she didn't have to make a statement. And Vaughn and Shipley then returned and Shipley told the officers she would answer any other questions, quote, if I can.

If I got the answers, you're more than welcome to them. So then they said that they're going to talk they told the lawyer okay this is going to be a formal interview with your client here we're going to record we're going to do the whole deal so you know they question her about all this type of shit uh starts out the detective on the tape introduced says introduce everyone so we can get it on tape like that's how we're starting out. So everyone introduces themselves, the location, the date, the time, all that shit. Okay. So then the detective here says, I think the first matter at hand, although it's a technicality with your lawyer here, and I don't know if you've spoken with him about it, but we'd like to give you your rights.

This is, again, they've already Mirandized her, but now it's on tape just to make sure. So you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer present, blah, blah, blah. The lawyer's already there. If you can't afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed for you. The whole deal. Do you understand that?

Right? She says, uh-huh. Okay. Now, detective says, okay. And do you wish to make any statements at this time? She says no. you wish to make any statements at this time she says no so then the lawyer says i assume at this point basically that she's a suspect in a homicide they say yes then vaughn the lawyer says have you made identification of the body the detective then says quote i don't and then there's dashes

you know it's more dashes right now so he has three false starts i don't you know it's more dashes right now. So he has three false starts. I don't. You know, it's right now. Yeah. Three different times of how do I say this right now? I think it's a matter of we want to ask a few questions about your husband's disappearance. That's not an answer to the question. At least at this point, we're not talking about a homicide. So just disappearance.

But to answer your question. Yes, we think we found him we think that's him that's a lot to say yep that's him when an eight-year-old starts their answer like that you're about to get a lie you're gonna get a lie yeah same thing with a homicide detective if someone goes i don't you know it's right now not good yeah if you ask them hey you got that money you owe me and you get that response they don't have that money you owe them, and they never will probably. See, what happened was, all right, get it tomorrow. I got to go.

That's almost what had happened was. That's almost what had happened was. That's the police equivalent of what had happened was. Yeah. So the detective said, quote, I think this is Detective Shaner. I think the question is this. He's been reported missing. Okay.

Like, that's fine. From Mr. Bonnewell, from where he works. And we've never had no missing person report about her husband from her household. All right? So the work situation, they seem more concerned about him than her, than his wife. So that's what the deal is. Now we have our evidence technician up to our house, and we've got some questions that need to be asked. And I think that the thing is here, if she knows the answers to these questions, I can't see where it would hurt or harm her as long as it's not directly related to that problem.

There's a couple things that's been said that we'd like to clear up. Maybe we could clear everything up right now. You never know. Easy peasy. So then the other detective jumps in and says, at least initially we're speaking of the last time you saw your husband. Who may have seen him then? Any other contact you've had with him?

And maybe some explanations about the things at the house that only you can provide for us so um they stopped for a few minutes they stopped tape for five minutes during the break uh vaughn explained to his client again if she doesn't want to make a statement she doesn't have to um she said that she had nothing to hide and no reason not to talk to the police that's what she told him. So, yep. Vaughn said no evidence that the said that she's not making an involuntary statement. It's all voluntary. They reconvene. They proceed. They say, before we broke, we explained to you, Mr. Shipley, Mrs. Mrs. Shipley, your

rights. Now you've had a chance to speak with your attorney concerning your rights that you have any questions you might want to answer. you wish wish to answer our questions at this point she said if i can sure so 90 minute interview is what we're talking we're not gonna go through the whole interview obviously but they uh she says please tell she tells him this left my home july 28th had an. She didn't report him missing because he disappears all the time. One time he disappeared for almost two years. So 10 days is nothing.

Like, no way. That's just the beginning of an outing for him. Like, that could be. Great story. He could be home tomorrow. He could be home in the spring. We don't know. So now there's some conflicting stuff.

She also said her husband had left home to go fishing about 8 a.m the next morning so she says he peeled out left that night but then the next morning she said he's fishing okay so that's it doesn't make sense and that later that day she went to the trailer court to pick up her mother and meet her brother and sister-in-law. When she returned home, her husband wasn't there, and she said some of his clothes and furniture were missing. Now, she told everyone else, blue pickup truck, now she's saying she wasn't even there. Yeah, and there was some humiliation of the shit on the lawn. How she felt even was mixed into that whole thing.

Humiliation of the shit on the lawn. How she felt even was mixed into that whole thing. So now they said that the family went to the Brass Bowl restaurant in Dover for a few hours that Sunday. That's the day after the disappearance. When they returned to the mobile home park, she took her mom or her sister to meet a friend. Her mom took her to meet a friend, and then they chatted for about a half hour. This is Catherine Nye again. So Christine said that she argued with her husband about his drinking on Saturday the 28th. He got angry and left the home because she wouldn't go out to dinner with him because he was drinking.

They argued again when he returned later that night is what she said. Next morning, he left to fish. She left to go hang out with the girls. She comes home. Everything's gone, including him. Yeah. All him and all his shit is gone. The next morning, he's told her that he was leaving permanently.

He said, I'm taking off. Then she said he was wearing a tan shirt, black slacks, and black wingtips when he left. And he said, I'm going fishing and i'm never coming back that's what he told her i'm going fishing and i will not be returning wow that's amazing she said um he looked those words ever ever never coming back loaded a bed a lamp and clothes into a friend's truck now uh one of of the state police said that also a pair of wingtips, black wingtips, were found in the home during the search. So these are the shoes that she says he's wearing. They're at home in the police search.

And when a man fitting the description of the friend that she talked to was found, he did not, because she said me and my friend were were here this person denied being at the home the day that he took off so she lied about that two neighbors said that they saw said that they never saw and they're looking out the window all the time we know that they know when you get home and what car you're driving right those neighbors said they never saw william shipley remove any articles from the house as described there never had the furniture on the front lawn no strange blue pickup because they would have noticed it um the head by the way they're going to talk about the dentures now um she said she uh uh her husband the only had partial upper dentures that she knew of she didn't even know that he had dentures she said she didn't even know he had a full tray on both sides

she said he may have gotten them done without me knowing it how the fuck do you do that how the fuck do you get all your teeth pulled without some of your significant other noticing um you have to yank them all out and then they size you for the trays and then it takes however long it takes for them to make you would be wandering around with no fucking teeth with yeah some weird temps in his mouth the whole time so her she also said that william pulled her by the hair and shook her during an argument once but never beat her she said um she said william shipley supervisors at the modern maturity center in dover they say that christy

told them her husband had beaten her and that she pledged it wouldn't happen again. So these are all the conflicting stories she's getting now. Her co-workers also said that this is some of her co-workers and some of his co-workers at the senior center. They both said that she complained about affairs he was having. And Christy told the police that he had infatuations that were, quote, were more on his part than on their part. So she's saying he had crushes on women. She also told police that she saw her husband drive away from their home in a white and maroon Mercury Cougar. The police said that car has been parked in a local dealership parking lot for more than a month now. She got flustered and said, quote, quote well she probably started out with i don't

well the right now yeah she said quote i cannot explain that i thought it was the cougar and then earlier when she said she said i didn't know about the dentures now at this point she starts talking about that they're not that close she says quote we never even take our teeth out in front of each other. That's what she said. So now they both have dentures and she knows he has all the dentures instead of they never take their teeth out in front of each other. Like it's a nightly ritual that most people do. Being honest with her, I don't blame her at all.

My grandma took her one tooth out once and I lost my fucking mind. Yeah, yeah. It's freaky when it changes your whole face yeah what happened so the when asked about the cause of the damage to the mattress in her house well how'd that happen she said that massive blood stains resulted for him from him having a tooth extracted all of them all of it soaked a body's worth of blood asked why so at that point she said that uh by the way at this point has the attorney probably should have cut off the questioning if he's a good attorney yeah later on he's asked why he didn't cut it off there and vaughn replied quote because

i was not an experienced criminal attorney and i was fucking shocked with what i was hearing i was like damn there's blood on the mattress what do you have to say about that christy that's pretty wild tooth come on girl um but at one point during this he finally detected he thought there was some badgering going on so he said quote let me interrupt here if you're going to charge her go ahead and charge her go ahead and charge her and if you're not going to charge her then let's go now i i don't know what your you know your questions they're pretty pointed you obviously consider her a high suspect and then uh after that he yanked her out of the room they walked out not charged no nothing if you watch the first 48 this this is why you get an attorney because if they have enough on you to arrest you they'll

arrest you anyway but if they're just poking around and you say that, then you get to leave, rather than them telling you that, you know, what would your grandmother think of that? You should tell the truth and all that shit. Before they get to the part where they extract your fucking confession. Yeah, not that we're trying to tell you how to get away with murder, but when you see people on there, you're like, don't just say it. Jesus, you went through all this trouble and you're just gonna tell now you've been saying you didn't do it for the past 47 minutes yeah what the fuck dude now you're just gonna give it up uh another piece of

evidence they find is william w shipley's name appears on the back of a pension check dated the same day that the torso was found oh so somehow his torso endorsed a check that day shit and dated it that day um yeah but a payroll supervisor for the city of baltimore which is which which issued the check had difficulty determining whether the check's endorsement matched shipley's signature on his original pension application he said quote there seems to be some similarities and there seems to be some differences. You know, like if someone who knows your signature tried to forge your wife knows your general. This is how his W is. But there's little little things that you don't realize that people do.

Somebody familiar with the will, the W, but not familiar with the Ilium part. The Ilium part's a problem. The hiply is more of a problem than the S. So another lawyer here, our municipal employee, said that Christy Shipley didn't complain when the city, at the request of the Dover City Police, stopped mailing checks in September of 84. Because they stopped mailing checks. They said, see if she complains. Yeah. See if she complains. Yeah. See if she complains.

And she didn't complain. They said that, uh, they also said that he normally would change his address because he's had six train changes of address since he retired from the Baltimore police force. And, um, yeah,

they said that each time he moved before his disappearance, he filed a change of address form from that city. And it was very prompt also, because that's where his money is. There was also no such filing, obviously, after his disappearance. And that's how that goes. Now, they questioned a friend here, and that was the lady who felt uncomfortable when the police talked to her, the Nye lady. So now, like I said, head and torso is what we have so far.

November 29th, 1984. Months later, human legs are discovered in a trash bag at Bombay Hook Wildlife Sanctuary near Dover. So that is a long fucking time. So at this point, they find there are legs and one foot. They find one. All in the same bag? I don't know if it's all in the same.

I think it's two different bags. There's parts of legs. I think they're chopped in half. Not just whole legs stuffed in there. So let's go to the body parts recovered scoreboard, everybody. Yeah. At this point, all recovered except for the hands and one foot so we're missing the hands and one foot which are never found never never

find the hands they never find one of the feet so gone so february 13th 1985 christy shipley is finally arrested and charged with the murder of her husband and possession of a dangerous weapon during the commission of a felony. Now, at the time they were looking for, they had information that she was out of state and didn't know her exact location. So they had to wait for a chance to arrest her in Delaware. And they arrested her. I guess she was in her nightclothes at her trailer in the Riverside Trailer Park. And they came in and arrested her. Not guilty was her her night clothes at her trailer in the riverside trailer park and she uh they came in and arrested her not guilty was her plea there's that so physical evidence here

forensic evidence let's do here some scientific shit here expert testimony uh indicated that the dismembered body was was that of william shipley based on several other factors, including his dentures, that he had been killed in his bed with a.38 gun. And Henry Lee is the forensics guy on this one, by the way. They bring him in again. It's like the third time. He's been popping up a lot lately. He says that blood tests performed on the dismembered body revealed that he has the same blood type as William.

This is pre-DNA, as you remember. And the chief medical examiner for the state testified that the severed head contained upper and lower dentures. Medical records reveal that they match William Shipley's upper and lower dentures as well when compared. So, yeah, not too shabby there. They found also visible photographs of them and everything matches so another a diagnostic radiologist upon examining and comparing

radiographs of william shipley and radiographs of the body found that the two matched i don't know what the hell a radiograph is is that like an mri or something i don't know what the fuck that is i have no idea what that sounds like it's made up right it sounds like yeah i had a radiograph this afternoon boy it sounds like something someone would have in the 1800s like a scam you know i went down to the office had a radiograph boy they told me i have i have demons and trolls and gnomes in me i gotta get them get them out. Honey, you are not going to believe it. I bought these beans that they say grow a bean stalk. It's pretty cool. I got a radiograph

and a seal. At the top is a radiograph. They put them in a radiograph. I could see bean stalks in there. So they said that they matched. A physical anthropologist testified that William Shipley's height and age were within the estimated range of heights and ages of the dismembered body. They said they thought he was about 5'10", about 58 years old.

He was 64 and about 6 foot. So pretty goddamn close. Not bad. Not too shabby. The also hair taken from a baseball cap found in the Shipley residence was microscopically similar in all characteristics to hair found on the body, which they live together. So that's hard to whatever. Another agent said that the blue fibers found in the trunk of the car matched microscopically the fibers of the blanket that that that he was dumped in.

So there you go. Now, the bloodstain, Dr. Henry Lee testifies that the blood, the mattress was the bloodstain of the mattress was caused by a single event. This wasn't like he bled one day, bled another day, like like a week of being having your teeth pulled. He also said it wasn't like there was stabbings and there wasn't like shit all over the place. It was just one shot. Yeah. Huge thing. dabbings and and you know there wasn't like shit all over the place it was just one shot yeah huge thing and uh not only that they said he said these blood stains were less than a year old okay now the dental stuff that she was talking about was from 10 years ago so i remember we talked about the daughter took care of him that's what we're talking that's the that's the time

get a new mattress by the way so you have jobs get a new mattress, by the way. So you have jobs. Get a fucking mattress. If you can afford a trailer park, buy a mattress first. You're sleeping on a bloody fucking mattress with a hole in it? What kind of people are you? For 10 years? What kind of people are you? I'm sorry. I'm judging you at that point.

You know? At some point, you could afford a mattress and didn't buy it. I don't give a shit. Fix that shit. That's disgusting. So they didn't even have a fucking cover on it, man. Put a cover or something. Just cutting lumps out of it.

Stop it. Yeah. So they said that the cut in the mattress cover had been made within the recent past as well, based on the fraying. Also, an agent Albrebrecht, conducted a comparative analysis of the.38 bullet recovered from the head and the box of cartridges at the Shipley residence. He testified they're all the same

and they were made during 70 and 74, the Smith & Wesson.38s. So they don't go shooting a lot, I don't think. The ballistics revealed that the fatal bullet had not been fired from the pistol seized at the shipley home but that was consistent the caliber was consistent with the missing 38

that uh that uh christy had given to him as a retirement gift from the baltimore police department she gave him a 38 as a retirement gift when he retired from the police department that's the gun they think shot him and then she was he was shot with it son of a bitch it was uh the revolver that they had was oh william shipley had shown his boss this revolver a snub nose 38 stainless steel less than a month before he disappeared so it had been there and police did find the box in which that revolver had been packaged by the manufacturer, the original box they found, but not the gun. So the wound, various experts assisted in identifying the body and doing all that shit. The position of the wound of the fatal wound would have been in the direction of the bullets travel. And it's consistent with him being shot while lying down in bed.

So this is the theory, okay? That whatever happened that night happened. He went to sleep in the bed like a normal person. She came up in his sleep and shot him in the neck to where it lodged in his spine, severed his spinal cord, and killed him immediately, okay? Wow. Then she took the son's butchering meat saw

that that he had given to to william took that and dismembered him right there on the fucking bed because he was too big for her to move off the bed oh my god so this is the amount of blood we're talking about from a gunshot wound to the head and then a full dismembering of a human body that's the amount of blood that's the amount of blood that's on this mattress that she's trying to say is from 10 year old dental work from having a tooth pulled that is i'm sorry the brutality of that shot in their own bed wow she she just chopped him from to pieces there's no evidence anyone else was involved they think she did it period so obviously there's motions to suppress all the stuff she doesn't want out like you know the evidence there's all sorts of stuff like that that's how cold is that man

that's disgusting that is cold fucking blooded when she even admitted bastard yeah he did he never hit her beat her or any of that shit like there was no you know this wasn't like she's not even claiming you know like a battered wife type of thing like i think whatever not none of that shit she's just she's just fucking either she's completely innocent in this court there can be only she's completely innocent or the most cold-blooded motherfucker on earth one of of the two. Those are the only options. He said, I'm going to sleep, and when I wake up, I'm going to kill you. Or he went to bed angry, and she is the most diabolical bitch in history. That is one of the two.

Holy shit. Man. So her attorney is saying that there's a big deal with the attorney here. He said he wanted to leave here once she's a big deal with the attorney here um he said i'm not he wanted to leave here once she's a prime suspect he said i'm not experienced enough in criminal law i do not think like a criminal lawyer if someone tells me they've nothing to hide i'm dumb enough to take it at face value that's what the lawyer said i don't know shit about criminals so i want out of here this shit's fucking me up yeah he said in court when they're trying to get

shit suppressed that he probably shouldn't have let her discuss the things with the cops but you know i i didn't know what else to do that was that um she kept the emirate yeah she kept going and i just was like okay so they said that uh the her other attorney here attempted to show that this vaughn guy was incompetent in the area of criminal law and perfected ineffective counsel. Rarely do you have the lawyer go, yeah, I didn't know what I was talking about. You're right. Usually they're saying they were competent here. He's like, no, I'm a moron.

So his 22 year law practice was real estate, wills and estates. So, yeah, he said he asked to be removed from the list of attorneys practicing in the federal courts because he didn't want any criminal cases put his way. So, his nephew and law partner is James Vaughn Jr. He remains local counsel in her case, though. So, I guess

he is doing that. Dover attorney William Nicholas also entered the defense's case and then she's also got a public defender appointed by the court to act as an independent counsel. It's a mess. She's got like five lawyers at one point. We'll talk about that in a second.

Her bail. She's set free on one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars bail put up by her two brothers mortgaged their homes to post her bail what yeah so they believe her apparently that's on they don't know shit right they don't know they just announced this there's no she's saying i'm an innocent person my you know this is terrible and they're like god we got to get her sister out of there so i mean not good for them it's nice i would want my sister to get out of there too if i had one but um now multiple attorneys she has five attorneys from her arrest to her court now five uh first was vaughn he he withdrew uh then james vaughn his nephew and uh partner he remained on the case along with william

h murphy uh who was more experienced. Murphy then contended that William Vaughn had provided his client with incompetent representation. And because of this conflict of interest issue raised by this guy being that guy's nephew, that he had to withdraw from the case as well. So then Murphy, the lawyer, estimated that Shipley's case would cost as much as $300,000 to defend, and then he withdrew from the case after she ran out of money. Another public defender, Joseph A. Gabay, him and another one were assigned to the case after Shipley was declared indigent by the court. were assigned to the case after Shipley was declared indigent by the court. Her attorneys have now, her new attorneys, have attempted in the last year to have evidence recovered in search of her home.

They're trying to get up to speed now. They've come in at the last minute here. So they had a long jury selection, by the way. They had long quizzes for these people. The defense had a list of 80 questions for potential jurors. 80. Wow. It's like a fucking SAT, christ's sake what do you gotta ask 80 jesus and the prosecution said they planned to call between 60 and 70 witnesses they're saying that the trial should last about six to eight weeks which is a long time that's a while so march 87 they don't have a trial till it's

fucking three years later it's seven woman five man jury um the defense opening their strategy is this jimmy here's their strategy listen that's not even william in those bags oh and if it was she didn't put him there thank you you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. I rest my case. Thank you. Good night. That's their thing. It's not him.

And if it is him, she didn't fucking do it. But it's probably not him anyway. The cops are making this false identification, they're saying. The defense is going to focus on the discrepancies of age of the victim cited by forensic specialists and then Williams age, which they said 58 and he's 64. That's pretty fucking close. That's pretty close to a guy who's been decomposing for 10 days. That's not bad.

It's not bad. The defense said, the state, quote, will be putting together a puzzle in the dark. That's what the public defender said. How dare you? Even if they can prove it's him, Christie Shipley didn't do it.

So didn't do it. Can't prove it. Go fuck your mother. Have a good one. They're putting together a puzzle that doesn't have all its pieces too. Or all its pieces. He also, during this opening,

promised the jurors that he will provide a satisfactory explanation why there's a patched hole in their blood-soaked mattress. Oh, I can't wait. Can't wait for that. The prosecution here, they said that William Shipley's body parts have been in cold storage for three years. Oh, gross. Yeah, he's just like in a freezer for three years.

They still have his body parts. They haven't been able to do anything. They're waiting to see if technology advances here because there's a lot of advancements. So one of the police officers said there will be no peace or justice for his relatives until the person responsible for this state of limbo is brought to justice. So I would say so. so now a magazine is brought into this whole thing one of those detective magazines that btk was so fond of he loved those things um so the jury was sent home while attorneys argued about the relevance of a newspaper article and a detective magazine found in the Shipley home.

Now, the newspaper article told of a Kmart bookkeeper, Judith McBride, who was convicted of plotting the death of her husband. They said that her friends said that Christie thought that the crime was vicious and that McBride's life sentence was fair. That's what she had told her friends about it. But she found reason to save this article. Now, the detective magazine, it's the Headquarters Detective is what it's called. This magazine had an article headlined Grizzly Case of the Beheaded of the Beheaded on it. That was the headline of the cover.

The prosecution attorney, the prosecutors argued that the articles contain similarities with the slayings that she's accused of committing. But defense attorney said the articles would prejudice the jury. And so we can't have that. The defense had an insistence, the public defender, on reading every headline in a tour detective magazine to prove that the publication would prejudice his client. magazine to prove that the publication would prejudice his client he leaned against the podium and rattled off story subjects and read a few graphic paragraphs to make his point the courtroom audience sought to stifle its embarrassment or amusement as he proceeded here's one he would read quote secret sex kills town sissy that's a. That's one of the headlines. And how about dead nude in haunted house? He said, even the judge, they said that even the judge, who's like a very staid, reserved guy, even got a couple of chuckles in once in a while at some of the crazy shit that was being said.

They said even he was a little laughing. Finally, he said, Mr. Gabay, you may identify them by their general subject matter it's not necessary for you to read each article in its entirety wow now it's like when you read the porno titles yeah yeah it's one of those they ran down like the plot of the movie too that would be amazing you don't need we get it by the title, okay? Yeah. We understand. So the Delaware Attorney General, Charles M. Oberle, he stopped by one day because he wanted to hear from this one guy, Herbert McDonald, who's a New York professor. He tells the jury how he had slept on the Shipley's mattress for eight days, their-stained murder mattress he slept on it for eight days to see if a patched over hole in the first layer would fray from normal use so how much fray how much how much

fray would there be over eight days now because that 10 years worth of fray or is that two days worth of fray what are we talking about here so um the statement recorded about her you know with the police that interview that's played as well shows lots of contradictions the statement recorded about her with the police, that interview that's played as well shows lots of contradictions. The statement also revealed financial troubles. The sixty nine thousand dollar balloon payment that added to their marital problems. The chief prosecution witness, the medical examiner, said that human remains discovered there were Shipley's. So they got that there. there were Shipley's, so they got that there. He said he had compared race,

height, blood type, dentures, and age of the recovered body parts of William Shipley to make positive identification within reasonable scientific certainty. Without DNA, you don't know for sure, but he said, quote, you cannot find all the specific forms of comparisons in

combination in anybody else than this body, which is William Shipley Jr., so, senior. So, he said, yeah, you're not going to find all of these combination in anybody else than this body which is william shipley jr so senior so it doesn't fight he said yeah you're not going to find all of these com if it was just one thing fine but they're all of these combination of things together it's him period too much it's too much yeah they said the man was five foot eleven and a half inches tall he's he's uh he's six foot two sorry six two um or i'm sorry six feet tall on his driver's license so okay half an inch foot eleven and a half from a torso yeah yeah they said 58 and a

half he's 64 years old that's pretty fucking close i'm sorry the blood type matches his blood type the head had the dentures uh as william shipley's son and his first wife said he had as well. They said they relied on assistance from several expert associates for the blood, dental, microscopic, and x-ray comparisons. And also, the state's medical department examiner, relying on all these outside experts, brought further objections that they didn't know what they were doing, these experts. Meanwhile, he brought them to the people who knew the best what they were doing. That was the point. Good for William. He looks eight years younger in death.

That's incredible. Yeah. Six years? When your head decomposes for, I guess, not bad. You look five and a half years younger. That's terrific. So he also, this medical examiner, had the prosecutor lay him off on the floor while he showed the jury that it was possible that he was shot in the couple's bed as the state claims. He laid on his left side as the medical examiner used a pointer to show where a.38 caliber bullet could have entered the rear of his right ear before lodging in the lower neck, causing the amount of blood found by police on the mattress.

So the defense has a new strategy on April 28th, 1987. They come into court, brand new strategy. Are you guilty? No, it was. It's not him. You know, it's blah, blah, blah. New strategy is, he's alive. We found him.

That's the new strategy. He's actually alive, very much alive, feeling great. Yes, they come in and they say, they asked for an acquittal because they found someone else. They found William. He said, quote, his lawyer, this is Dwayne Wurb, by the way. Got to put this out here when someone says something like this. Quote, your honor, I don't know how to word this. Well, that means it's going to be no is the answer if I don't know how to word this.

Well, that means it's going to be no is the answer if I don't know how to word this. But information received indirectly during the course of this trial by my office suggests that the apparent information was received by the state that William Shipley has actually been seen in the area of Baltimore, Maryland. It's all right. You're not privy to all the new shit. That's fine. That's what it is. The prosecutor, Ferris Wharton, jumped to his feet and told the judge, quote, he said, quote, I would like to know where that came from. He said, let's. Yeah. What the fuck?

He said somebody is intentionally lying or it's a figment of someone's imagination. And so the defense guy said he heard the rumor that state police investigated the possibility that he might be alive. But then they left it hanging in the air like that. OK. So then they have a surprise witness, a Dover woman who plays bingo almost daily at the Modern Maturity Center. I don't know. We're not sure for her ethnic origin here, her national background. her national background uh they said that uh she said that she saw william shipley at a supermarket last june in 86 years after he's supposed to be dead okay the also so then the state produces a

man who according to workers at the senior center looks just like shipley the look-alike also goes to the same center and has been seen at that same grocery store many, many times. But this guy has a mustache, and no one testified that William had ever had a mustache, so that just hangs in the air, too. They don't know.

That just muddies the water. Being a chubby, bald guy with a beard and glasses, dear Christ, if I ever go missing, it's going to be insanity. You're going to be spotted everywhere. Everywhere. That's when Brian Laundrie was gone. It was people, he's over here, he's over there.

He's a bald guy. He's a bald white guy. There's literally 30 million, 40 million guys his age that look like him walking around. We are everywhere. Everywhere. So many people tweet at you, look at this guy, looks like Jimmy. Everywhere. Everywhere.

So many people tweet at you, look, this guy looks like Jimmy. Every guy with a beard, no hair, and glasses looks just like Jimmy, no matter how much they don't look like Jimmy. They all look like Jimmy. Every one of them are me, no matter how much they are obviously not me. And the people are not even being dicks. They're genuine about it. They're like, this guy looks like Jimmy, and you've got to look at it and go oh i don't look like that why every time i'm like jesus christ the opinion you people have of me like the guy on the 90 day fiance one is like my god don't be nice to jimmy he does not look like the guy on the other way right now or before the 90 days he does not look like that

at all the guy from the to catch a killer uh advertisement there's so many of them i'm just like how dare i saw your doppelganger at the at the car dealership today then they show me a picture they slyly took of some stranger i'm i want to call the guy and tell him i'm so sorry we do not look anything alike, and I hope that you tell people this. One of them had such a fat head that you could see the head fat around his glasses was almost touching around the arms of his glasses. That's fine, but Jimmy does not have a fat, like he's not, stop, he's not that fat. He's not fat at all, but he's a fat fat. I'm a mess, but I'm not that much of a mess you got

fucking have a heart have a heart i've got i've got feelings i've got a feeling that's fine well now they're all just gonna send nice oh jimmy you're that'll say nice things don't do that anything god damn it he needs no more encouragement he's he's fine neither of us need any more encouragement for that matter don't say nice things about me you know what i don't care say what you want like fat bald guys you guys are nice so say whatever you want just don't tell jimmy he looks like every fat bald man you see and we're really really thrilled otherwise thank you for everything facebook's bad enough it that goddamn software it keeps tagging me in photos that are not me i'm like that how dare you zucker nerd you fuck

let's see if you look like zuckerberg here what about this guy i think you look like him how's that now it's so annoying. It drives me bananas. They bring in her daughter who said she took care of him while he had his teeth taken out. Right. And she says he was sick for days and the blood drained from his mouth constantly causing him to vomit. She said so there was blood all over the mattress. She said that he cut the mattress where it was so stained. And she said that her mother was irritated with him and refused to sew a pillowcase over the mattress she said that he cut the mattress where it was so stained and she said that her mother was irritated with him and refused to sew a pillowcase over the hole she said it

didn't make much sense so oh my god um in her statement christine said the hole was eight to ten years old and that her husband cut it after the truth the tooth and all that kind of shit so now they think that the wound is much more recent and the blood could have come from a gunshot wound obviously so they said that uh the daughter also testified he once left home in a rage one weekend about two years after the tooth incident that when he was that's when he was gone for a couple of years and uh yeah she he returned and he tried to update her, him on the house stuff. Like, oh, while you were gone for two years, the daughter was like, this happened, this happened. She said, or he said to her, quote, honey, I haven't missed a thing.

I saw you children every day. I watched you walking to school. So he was apparently like making sure the kids got to school. Okay. And parking and watching them walk to school. I don't know if that's creepy or sweet. I'm not sure which one that is. I know I disappeared, but don't worry.

I was stalking you. What? Didn't talk to you or anything. Made you worried about me and thought I didn't want you, but I care. What a weird fucking thing to do. So Christine testifies. She has to at this point.

She describes what she calls a bizarre encounter her husband had with a stranger who knocked on the couple's door two days before he disappeared it's always some weird mysterious person uh he she said that uh she took the stand said she was in the bathtub uh when there came a knock at the door william went to answer it and then came running back through the house in a rage he said this man is standing at the door asking me for sex so someone she said a man knocked he said he told his wife a man knocked on the door and was like what's up bro you could like want to blow me or something like who the fuck knocks on a door and asks another man for sex i've never heard i've never heard that happening before so a man knocked he answered

the door and he goes what's up bro we fucking or not he said asking me for sex oh okay so christine this is what she's telling on the stand she's saying this she said that the state police later found a 15 year old black kid near the near their home and uh the william identified the teenager who was 5'10", 180 pounds as the guy, a 15-year-old came to his door and said, what's up, old man? You want to fuck? What 15-year-old asks a 65-year-old man

unsolicited at the door like he's selling dictionaries if he wants to fuck? What are you, kidding me? Hi, I'm selling chocolate for benefit of my school. I don't want any. Well, can I blow you?

How about I blow you can i how about i blow you then trying to sell magazines to help kids like me have a better future or i could just blow you one of the ten what the fuck is happening she also said that uh he didn't want to press charges against the kid but told the police to take the boy home to his parents and uh she said she didn't know the boy's name but told an officer that the teenager quote this is a fucking don't blame me this is a quote seemed a little retarded okay that's what she said uh she said and then another uh a kid about the same age was at the site where a black kid the same age but you know a quote fitting the description the same age, but, you know, a quote fitting the description, the same height, weight, age was at the site where the garbage bag containing the torso was found.

So the officer said that the kid met him at the site when he responded to a complaint about the smelly garbage bags. So the officer told Christie Shipley that the boy also said that the boy appeared dopey or goofy at that point. So there can't be two 15y or goofy at that point. So there can't be two 15-year-old goofy kids walking around. There has to be, rather than two dumb kids in the entire state of Delaware, there has to be, it's got to be the same kid. And he not only went to the door, asked an old man to blow him, then killed the old man in his own home, dismembered him, took him out there, then called the cops and waited for the cops to pick up the bags and said all right good you got that officer have a good

one and then left and went home thank god you cleaned that up i'm dopey i'm a little too dopey to do it myself um it's fucking weird man she said that he was always so nice uh she said he would disappear for a while and then he'd come back and act like nothing would happen. She said you could tell he was going to leave because he would drink more before these incidents came. And then when he'd leave, she would ask him, where'd you go? And he would tell her, it's none of your business. None of your damn business. But then in the next sentence, she said he'd be wooing her back and whining and dining and sweet talking, but then saying none of your business.

So that's not really wooing. She said that his behavior changed before the 28th when he disappeared. He was anxious and irritable. He delayed a family outing on July 25th by hopping on a lawnmower and cutting the acre lot of the home just as the relatives were preparing to leave. She said that was weird. She denied shooting him and dismembering him. Obviously, she had five days of testimony. The defense attorney said, did you or did you not kill your husband?

And she said, no, I did not. I think I believe her. Why are you kidding? So she had no explanation for fresh blood on the mattress um no explanation for a lot of stuff when the police came and searched her home at one point she kept answering the same answer to all the questions quote it was a stressful day mr wharton so i don't remember any marshall lynch too much stress too much stress man the prosecutor asked her if streaks of blood extending from the cutout portion of the mattress to the foot of the bed could have come

from someone dragging a body across a mattress or body parts for that matter she said quote i don't think so in my forensic opinion i don't think so quote you already have bill shipley out of the picture i would have no i would have no one to answer to. If I was going to stand there and cut on my mattress, I would have cut up the whole mattress. She said that her husband cut the hole in the mattress and he was bleeding on it years before from the teeth. or any this is soaked through blood this isn't a little bit of blood she said any more blood on there i can i can explain this way dentures the one time he also has severe eczema oh yeah gallons of blood pour out of that and this this one's the most and hemorrhoids obviously yeah yeah you're gonna it's i mean you're gonna soak it mean, fucking A, he's just bleeding the river out here and never fixing it or taking care of that at any stretch of the imagination. That's gushing out of the asshole. Gushing.

This is fucking insanity. So after six weeks of trial, six weeks, now the newspapers, it's become like just a circus at this point. There's been 63 prosecution witnesses. It's been a fucking disaster. It's been a mess. The newspapers start talking about the different styles of the attorneys now because they have nothing else to talk about with the evidence. There's even a fluff piece on Christy. What?

It says she's been through quite a lot in recent years. What? It says she's been through quite a lot in recent years. She's lost not only the Woodside home that she and her husband own, but also the Riverside Trailer Court residence where she moved after his disappearance. When she became a prime suspect in her husband's apparent killing, she quit her job as a detective in an Ames department store in Seaford and as a clerk in the Camden Liquor Store. But when her trial began, she left another clerk's job in a Baltimore store,

which she had taken while out on $175,000 bail. For all that, Christy Shipley appears to be holding up well enough, despite the stresses of sitting at the defense table. She lost every job she has, every home. She lost her trailer, James. She even lost all the trailers. Never mind that.

Wow. They talk about- Perhaps, James, he did just go bleed out somewhere he's got fissures and he's not coming back it's not coming back man he's got some bad things happening he said i got fissures i'm not coming back i'm going fissures that's what he said not coming back i'm just gonna let these bleed out and i'll just lay there he didn't say fish fishing he said fistula that's what he said fistula not fish what are you talking about yeah he oh boy he's a he's a mess so um anyway uh a former best friend testified that she gave the liquor carton similar to the sun

cooler that she had to testify that uh also they talk about she's has she's lost some weight since her arrest she looks good they're talking about the paper literally like let's talk about what she's wearing too let's bring fashion into this um she's investigating being investigated on trial for murder but boy the ass on this chick it's crazy the people from the old folks home are coming to watch because they like it um there's a junior high class junior high classes classes that come to watch wow they take up a whole section of the courtroom it says here the youths point at the defendant do a lot of fidgeting and sometimes pass notes to members of the senior high school criminal justice class in

attendance on occasion teachers will win permission to let their charges examine some evidence during a recess the fuck holy shit the more popular exhibits are photographs of the autopsy and body parts looking at the photos one day over here for space junior high student whispered oh that looks like jason Jason in Friday the 13th. What the fuck? What the fuck is going on with these kids? They have 14-year-olds looking at murder photos? 12 and 13. This is junior high, man.

Oh, my God. What fucking 13? There's a couple of weird ones, but I'm not like, whoa, cool. Is that a torso? I want to see his head. Is that a maggot-filled bag? Why would we be showing this to kids? The funniest thing out of all of these people, the guy I want to talk to the most is the guy who thought it was a good idea to take what he thought was an animal carcass out of a maggot filled bag.

So attorneys say that it's the longest criminal case in recent state history. It starts into a 13th week at this point. And one said, quote, it's hands down the longest. I don't know of any case that's even close. That's the chief chief deputy attorney general Bartholomew J. Dalton. They said we've had some pretty long civil cases, but I would guess this is the longest criminal trial. The verdict for all that 13 weeks. They start at 1045 and end at at 4 10 so that's how long they deliberate for the jury few hours and a unanimous decision uh they bring her in there and she is found guilty of murder obviously uh also it's asked that she is uh her bail be revoked and that she be buried uh buried that that she be jailed immediately. And the judge agrees. We'll bury her outside immediately. I said that because the next word is that they finally got to bury William Shipley.

They finally got his family finally got to bury him. He's been in cold storage for three years. Imagine that shit. Real. They finally now turn the body parts over to his son william shipley jr of pennsylvania and uh he made a request for the death certificate and all that funeral arrangements will be made and he said my father will be buried alongside his mother and father in baltimore county maryland that's nice sentencing say hands down the longest trial he's ever seen i think he

said hands down or you can hands missing longest trial i've ever can't say that when that's all we have the body no that's all we don't have the body all we have is from the hands down hands off we don't have any hands off because he's got no hands they have everything but two hands and a foot the prosecutors uh boy during sentencing by the way this is a death penalty case also uh yeah the prosecutors during sentencing do not even call any witnesses they say that the depravity of the crime stands on its own and we're leaving it we're standing pat that's a power move right there yeah uh but uh in closing arguments they did say that she deliberately squeezed the trigger and snuffed out william shipley's life now the jury you ma'am may

fuck off she is sentenced to life without parole no parole no parole um they could not they half they were half and half on death penalty and life, so it ended up being life without. In prison, she began serving at the place she worked. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Began serving there, and then the Delaware official said her life was at risk among the inmates she's guarded. They're trying to stab her on a daily basis. I'm sure she was a twat to them so they tossed our cell two years ago yeah and not my salad i'm gonna fucking stab her so well now so i'll say they move her to new jersey in 1987

yeah and um she ends up dying in prison there what yep? Yep. She is dead in prison. And yeah, all they said was New Jersey prison procedures were followed when Shipley died. And that's it. How long ago? She is dead. I believe I can't find. I found three different dates. I think it was 2006.

That's what I'm. Or 2008. That's that's my best guess as to what it is. But there's multiple dates because I can't find the original fucking article for some reason how about that she died when a lot of other people's balloon payments came to yeah right we have balloon payments too she's like none of them are killing their husbands fuck it i thought i'd get away once it happened again and then she said i'm done but she died she was uh i think she was like 70 something years old old, too. So who knows? But that, everybody.

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Oh. Trevor Roberts. Greg Petrakis. Garfunkel with no last name. Kathy Theedfrank. I think Josephine Gavine Mary Evan, nope, Eve Eve Glandon, Dustin Danes

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enjoying the shows too because that's a whole kind of a separate world on patreon and though we love doing those shows so thank you for enjoying hearing them because we do them anyway even if no one wanted to listen because they're so much much fun. So thank you for enjoying those. Jimmy, how do they find us? How can they get ahold of us if they needed to? Who's, how are we out there?

I believe you are. You're on the internet. I'm on the internet. Are you on the internet? I think I have things on the internet. Holy shit. Yeah. Shut up.

Go to shut up and give me murder.com. You'll find us all or just Google small town murder hosts. We're the only ones unless somebody else stole our name and then we'll hunt them down like dogs in the street. So that said, hope you enjoyed it. Keep coming back next week. Jimmy, you have fun. I had fun. I had a blast. So much fun

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