Small Town Murder - #446 - The Carnival Mafia - Great Bend, Kansas

Episode Date: December 9, 2023

This week, in Great Bend, Kansas, when a normal couple wades into the strange world of carnivals & carnies, they fall prey to a group of carnival workers, who believe that they're trying to get themselves initiated into the "carnival mafia", and only need to kill to become members. They choose to kill in a brutal, and awful way, but they luckily left a trail leading right to them, and the stupidity flows from there!!Along the way, we find out that carnies go from county fair to county fair, that anyone can be anyone on the phone, and that you shouldn't take murder instructions over Facebook messenger!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wisman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another crazy, insane edition of Small Town Murder Express. And my goodness, is this one a wild one too i can't every week it's crazy on this particular show but today wow just a very weird i love it when there's groups of people that think they're something that they're not and that's what we have today and it's amazing so we will get to that before we do head over to shut up and give me murder.com oh yeah what's Skateboards to shower curtains. Hell, yeah.

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I think it's time to sit back. What do you say? Clear the lungs, everyone, and let's all put our arms to the sky, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. All right. Let's do this, Jimmy. All right. Let's do it, everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's go here. We shall. We're going to Kansas.

Okay. You wait for a response and there's no like, there's no immediate like, oh, that's terrible. Oh, that's great. It's just, oh, that's Kansas. That should be their slogan. Oh, that's Kansas oh that's kansas that should be their slogan that should yeah they're slow oh that's kansas that's that's kansas very flat yeah you don't think about kansas much it's one of

those places no they don't they don't make the news they don't uh doing nothing crazy happens there no unless something great happens there unless a tornado takes a small girl into a fantasy world there's really not much that happens there. A witch chases her dog. That's it. This is in Great Bend, Kansas. Great Bend. Was that the plot of that movie?

Just to get the dog? No. No. The dog. She's like, I'm going to get you and your little dog, too. Just to throw it in there. She's going to kill her because she killed her sister. Yeah, you killed my sister.

You dropped the house on my sister. I'd be pissed off, too. I'd fuck you up, too. That's's what happened and he stole her fucking shoes that's like some some gangster shit like yeah now take his shoes take those jordans too yeah that's right like that's fucking wild my friend says he likes those shoes yeah it's it's wild stuff when that started happening in the 90s people were freaking out and It was like that happened on The Wizard of Oz. I remember saying that as a teenager. Dorothy did that shit.

Yeah, Dorothy did it. Killed her. 15-year-old girl. Snatched him right off. Robbed a witch. This is in dead central Kansas. I mean, if Kansas was a target, this would be the bullseye. It is right smack in the middle.

It's a little under two hours to Wichita. It's about two hours and 45 minutes to Arkansas City, Kansas, which was our last Kansas episode, The Neighborhood Monster, number 393. So that was a good one. I told it's the Arkansas. Arkansas, yeah. People said that. I said, no, it's not. No, it's not.

No, it's not. I think the other state was established first, right? Doesn't matter. That's a whole state. They have a whole state. So you have to follow suit at that point. Oh, we've been saying it wrong is what you do, and then you fix it. That's all.

Population of this town, 14,864. So pretty small town, honestly. Pretty good-sized small town, though. Yeah, but in the middle of nowhere like that. It's not like it's connected to a bunch of other small towns. You know what I mean? It's not a suburb network. It's just sitting out there.

Median household income here, lower than the national average, $48,465. But that's all right because the median home cost is way below the national average. Median home price here is $99,000. Wow. That's wild. That is really, really inexpensive. Do they come with kite sails and shit because they're going to be picked up? I think it does.

That's the other thing, too. The house, it might not have started there. It might have just been dropped there by a twister. They go, $99,000. That fell in my yard. You can have it for $99,000. So history of this town, a little bit here. 99,000.

So history of this town, a little bit here. Prior to, you know, like Americans settling the area, it was located in the Kiowa territory. It was first claimed by France as part of the Louisiana territory that we then bought. Yeah. So the first settlers of the area that came from the states arrived in 1870. They lived in sod houses and dugouts, which sounds like, yeah, let's move away from here. Imagine where they moved from. How bad was it where you were from?

They lived in sod huts? Yeah. Sod huts and dugouts in the ground. They worked as buffalo hunters and they did that. So that was a big deal. That was before crop farming. There was a lot of bison and buffalo here before all of them were killed. So the railroad ended up coming through here, and it was named Great Bend because the Arkansas River, this is where it turns eastward.

So they said this is the Great Bend in the Arkansas River. There's two disasters here that had a big impact on the place. Oh, boy. A downtown fire in 1878, which everything in the United States burned down from 1875 to 1910. You're not unique. No. We've had a lot of fires. And a smallpox outbreak in 1882, which resulted in a quarantine of the town where no one could go in or out. It's like in Deadwood.

The smallpox came through town. No one could go in or out. That's like in Deadwood. The smallpox came through town. And then in 1886, local speculators began to look for petroleum in the area. Now we're finding oil there. So by 1930, the oil and gas industry brought a bunch of money into the county because they were trying to dig up whatever was in there. They had more than 3,000 wells producing in the 1930s. Producing?

Producing, yeah. And then tons of workers came in, and the oil kind of dried up, and then they started doing some military stuff here, and that's kind of where it stands now. Reviews of this town. Let's find it. Here we go. Reviews, five stars.

Okay. Great Bend, Kansas has Barton Community College. It's wonderful! Exclamation point. When your community college is the beacon of the community. That's a first sentence, man. I completed my ADN in nursing at BCC. I had a wonderful experience with plenty of friendly people that will help you along the way.

I'm currently enrolled in the undergraduate nursing program, RN to MSN, online through Chamberlain College of Nursing. It's wonderful, too. What does that have to do with the town of Great Bend, Kansas? I didn't know you'd hear RN online. That's amazing. Terrifying is what that is, as a matter of fact. That's what I mean by amazing. That's not good.

Yeah, amazing, and I'm amazed that's real and true. Not in a good way. Great bend has been me and my, my and my husband's home for 20 plus years. We love it. All caps, three exclamation points. I said so. Wow. That's five stars, boy.

Here's three stars. It has been okay. Talk, not sharing the enthusiasm at all, but honestly i really don't like it here okay maybe i'm biased because i grew up here that would make you biased to like it wouldn't you not biased to dislike it or maybe hmm there's been trouble it's yeah he hasn't had a good time here no it is a nice size town but i am ready to leave yeah maybe you're just ready to move on yeah maybe you're ready to go. You're bigger than this place.

No, this next one must be from a kid. Three stars. I do not wish to live here when I am old enough to live on my own. I do not like green eggs and ham. I will leave this town. Yes, I am. Oh, my goodness. And finally, two stars.

I moved to Great Bend 20 years ago right out of high school, and I also have family that lives there. Great Bend residents want to have growth and job opportunities, but the governing body can deny or get things to come to town are the reason. Okay? It really depends on if it will benefit them or their golf buddies. Oh. to fit them or their golf buddies oh so it's a it's a good old boy network of you can't bring you're not bringing the you know the chipotle into town unless me and my golf buddies get a kickback is that what they're talking about unless i beat you on the back nine let's beat you on the back man uh things to do here this will come up later the barton county fair okay this is important

because this will come up big time in our show really yeah so here we go a little bit on the fair and this this like i said this bleeds right into the actual murder stuff it's information i'd have to give you later so might as well give it to you now um here we go pre-fair events wow there's a dog show that's fun and a dog agility show. Oh. That's good stuff. That seems like a fun time. A public fashion review at 7 p.m. I don't like that at all. It's at the church. Don't tell me what you don't like about my clothes.

It's at the Lutheran church. It's just a bunch of people going, you're dressed like a whore. Whore. I can see your knees, slut. Harlot. whore i can see your knees slut harlot just judging the young ladies in town i feel like that's all it is tell them boys they look like a punk yeah look at you with your hair why don't you shave your punk fashion review at the church at the trinity lutheran church so there's that um then once it's there the uh country pride county wide that's what the theme is here for the third oh yeah so we're talking judging of 4-h foods 4-8 4-h arts and crafts judging a 4-h rabbit show, a poultry show at 6 p.m. You better be here for this, Jimmy, apparently.

We got to get there. It is a mandatory livestock meeting. Mandatory. I don't know for who, but I think we should go. Miss it and you're fired. I don't think we don't want to miss it is what I think is going to be best for us to be there. Not allowed to miss it. A 4-H swine show.

Then they have judging of all of these things. The shows and then judging. There's a carnival there as well. A jelly ball event. What the fuck is that? A Christian concert by Katie Nicole. Oh, boy. I don't know who that is.

But after that, a 4-H Dairy Goat Show. All right. Yeah, dairy goats. Belt sander drag races. Now we're talking. That's pretty badass. But you've got to have some long extension cords on those fucking...

I would imagine so. Are you riding the belt sanders? Do you got four of them on the legs of a chair? Yeah. Or do you just send four belt sanders out on their own? I want to know how that works. I want to watch this now. And then country concert, Mad Hoss Jackson's coming to town.

Oh, Jesus. Mad Hoss Jackson. The next night, they're going to have the kids pedal tractor pull, the Gary gary ewing memorial open class swine show poor gary he was trampled by a thousand pigs in last year so now it's a memorial the disrespect to name the we're judging pigs remember that fat ass gary put him in here an adult cornhole competition which sounds disgusting when you put the word adult before cornhole it sounds really bad why are they doing this and then rock and roll night the rock gods will be there okay they're terrible at naming events it's not good that said let's talk about

a murder and like i said keep all that in mind because it has a lot to do with all of this shit going on so poor gary got his name attached to a fucking pig show that's ridiculous so let's talk about a murder and some people here we're gonna go back in time not very far at all i mean jesus we're small town murder was in in operation during this yeah it existed 2018 we're going back to super yeah very new um let's talk about a couple people here's a married couple alfred charles carpenter jr he goes by sunny everybody calls him al or sunny okay those are his names he's 78 years old in 2018 sunny's an opposite name or yeah That's what I think it is. Can't call a 70-year-old man Sonny.

Hey, Sonny. Huh? What's that now? That's weird. It's weird when you can't hear someone call you Sonny. That's strange. When you probably have excuses for not going places because of health ailments, you can't be Sonny anymore. When someone says, how'd you get that nickname? health ailments, you can't be sunny anymore.

When someone says, how'd you get that nickname? And you go, I don't remember. It's Al now. It's Al. But no, these are really nice people here. And then his wife is Pauline Marie Richard is her maiden name. And then she'll become Carpenter as well. She's 79 years old.

Okay. They've been together for 32 years. Jesus. Good for them. Yeah, they've had a great time. We. They've been together for 32 years. Jesus. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah, they've had a great time. We'll talk about their life for a second here. He is from Oak Lawn, California, originally.

Obviously, a long time ago here. His parents were Alfred and Dorothy, because he's a junior, so definitely a Dorothy. That's how he got Sonny. That's right. And Pauline was from Walnut, Kansas definitely Dorothy. That's how he got Sonny. That's right. And Pauline was from Walnut, Kansas. Okay. That's right. Her mother's name is Eugene, by the way.

Is that right? Yes. Eugene and Richard are her parents, and Eugene is her mother. She goes by Gene for sure. That's interesting. Yeah. Weird. So they're married in 1986.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, they're not. His mother's her mother's name is Mabel, not Eugene. I apologize. Her father's name is Eugene and the last name is Richard. And I don't know what I'm doing. So there you go. Wow.

Maybe I'm 78 years old. You ever think of that? Everybody. It happens. See what happens if I'm 78. I'm really going to be in trouble. Mabel and Eugene are her parents. there you go so they were there uh al and pauline sunny and pauline were married may 17th 1986 in kansas uh they had six kids jesus peggy shelly sharon uh rita christy and Brian. All sorts of kids.

One boy. One boy. A lot of girls. Wow. A lot of girls there. So they have 23 great-grandchildren at this point in time. 23. 23 great-grandchildren as of 2018.

Because if there's six kids and they each have two, they each have two. They all had a bunch of kids. The next thing you know, there are. And that's how you get a lot of views on things. That's right. The next thing you know, they're a YouTube family. Yeah. So they retired from Boeing, the Carpenters.

They both worked for Boeing. That was their job there. And they began traveling around Kansas. That's what they were doing. They were spending time with their family, traveling around. They had like a camper RV thing that they drove, like a small one. And they'd load their stuff up because they would go and work as vendors at county fairs. That's how they would do it.

So they'd go around. The way the fairs work, they're not all on the same weekend, all the counties. They kind of stagger them. So if you're a vendor, you can go from fair to fair every weekend and sell your corn cobs everywhere all summer long. So that's what they're doing here. Their grandson said that they – he was saying, stop doing that, guys. Why are you doing that? You've got to be so tired.

Yeah, you're not making – it's not for the money. They just like to travel around. But, you know know come hang out with the family do more of that but they said that their his grandfather said well we have a lot of inventory we got to get rid of so once we get rid of all this inventory we're going to be done with it this year what are they selling it's just stuff little knickknacks and things that you know vendor stuff that you'd sell yeah they will it's you know nothing nothing stuff that you'd sell. Yeah, it's nothing insane, just little. Just shit with Kansas written on them. Yeah, exactly, stuff like that.

Stuff that you find at the fair, you know what I mean? Deaf leopard mirrors, you know, at the fair. Dale Earnhardt flags, you get it. Yeah, Dale Earnhardt flags, you understand. So they're doing all that. They said they wanted to get rid of their inventory, and their grandson said they said it'd be their last year on the circuit. Yeah, they said they were done.

They were wrapping it up. And he said, after they retired, my grandpa would tell me they didn't just want to sit around. They wanted to stay active. So he built kind of a pop-up shop with his trailer and traveled around to different cities, and they enjoyed their time. Okay. Yeah. So apparently they are very nice people. The grandson remembers that when he was 16 he had to have his tonsils out,

and he said his grandparents were with him the entire time. They stayed next to his bed the whole time. He said they did whatever it took to be involved in everything we did. They were the grandparents and parents everyone wished for. Yeah. Nice people. So this weekend in July of 2018, they're working as vendors in the Barton County Fair. Like we talked about.

And it's a normal fair. Like we told you everything about it. Everything from prayer services to livestock to more livestock to some poor bastard's memorial pig show. I can't believe they did that to him. That fucking guy, man. He is just. He must make the best back bacon in the county. Otherwise.

I hope so. I hope he's the best ham hocker going because otherwise this is really insulting. They're just naming the fat pig show after him. And the funny part is I bet he wasn't a slim guy. That's the fun part. Like just being a Kansas swine man, he probably had a couple of pounds on him just from trying out the merchandise. You know what I mean? Swine man!

That's what he is, right? So, you know, I'm sure he had a couple of pounds on him, and then they named the pig show after him. That's kind of fucked up. That's bad. There's absolutely a picture of him somewhere that is unflattering right next to the word swine show. Yes, swine show. In memory of this fat bastard. And under his picture it says the swine show. Yes, swine show. In memory of this fat bastard. And under his picture is the swine man.

Anybody got any ideas? How about that fat fuck that just died? How many fat guys died recently? You know? Any nice fat guys die? I name it after him. Poor guy. Poor bastard.

But he was sweet, too. Maybe. I don't know. He's probably a... You never know. He's probably a... You never know. He's a dick to somebody at some point. Angry pig farming redneck. We have no idea.

We have no idea. Or a nice guy. Or a nice pig farming redneck. We have no clue what the hell this guy is. Who knows? You know? Saying weird shit like a pig's skin is the most lack of humans you know they're like a six-year-old they're very smart they're very they're real smart you can train

him to do things and then he just walks away like you girls what do you train them to do you know what good name it after them it's disgusting so they're they're working the fair circuit and they're working the barney, and they're working the Barton County Fair. And like we said, there's rides here at the fair. Remember what I was telling you? Rides and Ferris wheels and all that kind of shit. Everything, yeah. So to run these rides and to do all of this, you must have carnies, obviously.

And the carnies, that's part of the circuit. That's part of the county fair circuit. They go around from county fair to county fair and set up. They build them and take them down and operate them. So let's meet the Kearney's, everybody. Meet the Kearney's. Meet the Kearney's. Here are the Kearney's, the Kearney lineup here.

There is Michael Arthur Fowler Jr. He is 53 years old. And 53-year-old Kearney, he's got a criminal record. He is 53 years old and a 53 year old carny. He's got a criminal record. It's kind of, he's what you expect when you're interviewing a carny. If they don't have a criminal record, you're suspicious.

They're like a federal agent or something. You know what I mean? Coming in to like investigate your business practices. So you got to have a few burglaries, grand theft auto, that sort of thing. They go, Oh, all right. Yeah. That's what he's got on have a few burglaries, Grand Theft Auto, that sort of thing. They go, oh, all right. Yeah, that's what he's got on his record. But I mean, over 53 years, over time, you know, that's up.

Yeah. Trash over time. Wait a minute. He didn't live through that far. It's 2018. Yeah. He was born in like fucking 67. Yeah. He's born in the 60s. This guy. Yeah. No, he didn't live through anything he lived through you know the teenager he knows who kurt loder is yeah absolutely he was like oh cool the buggles awesome and turn it up that's what he was doing in 1980 or 81 or whatever it was yeah that's him so big duran duran fan this guy exactly so that that's what's funny about the newer ones to think about it like that so yeah he's got that on his record like i said that's just kind of carny yeah goes with the carny territory they put that right on your entrance

badge your criminal record so they know you're real um then he's got a girlfriend who also works the circuit here okay um we don't know if they're engaged, if they're, I don't know. They're roaming carnies, so really anything's possible. We have no idea. They've got a carnival staff relationship. That's what they have. They've done some blood ritual

to bond themselves to each other. Some meth pipe. Sacrifice some shit, yeah. You break up a pill on the back of a toilet bowl and snort it and then rub your blood, your cuts together. Stabbed a pigeon with a broken light bulb you know how it works yeah you've been on the car you've been to a carnival it's like

normal shit you've been to a carnival you understand this is uh kimberly stacy younger and it's young younger like she's younger and she is like she's two years younger than my than michael which she is she is 51 so like the James gang. She has an AKA, by the way. Oh? She has an AKA. Don't know why. Don't know why she has another name legally that she goes by sometimes.

He's a straight-up criminal, and he doesn't even have one. No, no, yeah. He's too dumb to have one, I think. She's the brains of this operation, too, which is scary. She goes by Myrna Khan sometimes. K-H-A-N-n mirna khan yeah um she's from

mackintosh florida originally here that's where she makes her home now it all makes sense we did an episode on mackintosh florida now it all together all comes together now now i'm seeing it uh next up of course this this is like might as well be the small town murder all stars coming together here. You got a broad from McIntosh, Florida. You got a carny with a Grand Theft Auto and some burglaries on his record. Then they hook up with a guy named Rusty. It all works. It all goes together.

Rusty Lee Frazier is his name. Lee Frazier. Rusty Lee Frazier. Rustyzier rusty lee old rusty lee over here he's 34 but yeah age makes no difference it's all about failure and you know sadness of life and things like that when it comes to parties of their cavities that's all yeah uh he's from aransas aransas it's like arkansas without the k basically oh my aransas past texas is where he's from aransas texas i don't even know where that is jesus christ no clue um so they worked for the carnival company that did all the rides and the fair yeah so they would come in and uh they noticed the carpenters and their pop up trailer and their goods and their their nice people and their older people and their, you know, they don't look too tough, really.

So what ends up happening is, oh, my God, younger here, the woman, the lady, Kimberly Younger. By the way, she's Kimberly with an E between the L and the Y, which is not normal. Not the normals. Kimber L-E-Y? Yeah, yeah. Kimber L-E-Y. Kimber L-E-Y. Wow. So she tells Rusty and her boyfriend, Michael Fowler, here, look.

This is amazing i i haven't told you this yet but i am a part of the carnival mafia oh the carnival mafia okay yeah so if you would like to be involved in the carnival mafia um you you got to do something to initiate be initiated into the crime family basically like oh yeah it's like it's like a gang or the mafia like you have to you know you got to have some blood on you you can't just you can't just walk in off the street we don't know if you're real or not we don't know if you know how to wrench a ferris wheel into place yeah we have no idea how would we know oh boy so they said well yeah i mean fuck i want to be in the carnival mafia what can we do so well july 14th here yeah lacoste fucking tilt-a-whirl is coming lacostoste and nostrils. Oh yeah.

July 14th, 2014 early in the morning. Now, um, these three idiots, rusty Kimberly, Kimberly, why? And Michael Fowler,

these three jackasses, they go to where the carpenters had parked their truck and their camper and trailer. They had a setup and they're sleeping in their trailer because that's what they do. That's why they have it. Alfred, it's very early. Alfred is outside behind the camper. He's already up and like packing

stuff and getting stuff ready to move. Pauline is asleep inside. She's still sleeping. So he let her sleep. He's doing his thing. Kimberly comes up and talks to Alfred and says, hi. And, you know, she's a lady and he's a nice, polite guy. And so they both work there, you know.

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thing yeah just leave it here and not have to drive it back well sonny's thinking yeah this is my last kind of run with the he still has some goods to unload in a couple more places but you know a few weeks or something i i'm gonna be looking to sell this thing so he's that's a conversation he's willing to have as he's doing as they're kim, Kimberly and, and, and Sonny are discussing this, sneaking up from behind comes Michael Fowler, sneaking up from behind a 78 year old man, by the way, imagine the fucking,

the dickless lack of balls. Yeah. This is like attacking a baby while it's sleeping. Like it's a 79 year old. Yeah. Hold on. On the toddler. You stepped on a squeaky toy god damn it stop it it's gonna wake up a 70 block had stepped on a lego and woke it up fucking 78 year old man you don't need to sneak up what a pussy what a pussy and so he sneaks up from behind him and

tries to slit sonny's throat with a knife. Just tries to fucking cut his throat. But these people are so fucking incompetent and stupid, by the way. Oh, Fowler's also got a nine millimeter on him. But his his initial thing was I'll cut him with the knife. He thought it was like a Steven Seagal movie, like like from the 90s, like he was going to fucking creep up from behind silently just and he would fall to the ground and it would be like and then they're going to go like make a hand signal to go inside the trailer. Now they're going to make a two and like a, you know, pulling down like a pull, like do the horn on a truck. Yeah.

Do one of those, you know, and then point this way. That's what he thought was going to happen. Ridiculous. But but instead this moron tries to do that and doesn't get him really with it cuts him a little but sonny's not having it and sonny's not having it he ain't having shit sonny turns around and starts fighting with him 78 or not try to slip my throat we're going we're fucking throwing blows here so they start to fight so now this guy's fighting an old man, which is insane. And he ends up stabbing him in the chest with the knife.

Michael stabs Alfred Sonny in the chest with the knife. God damn it. Okay. So he falls down. He's dead. Yeah. Stabbed him in the heart with this knife. Okay.

He falls down. Then they take him and they drag him face up just you know on his back knife sticking out of him practically drag him into the trailer where pauline is asleep you know he can't leave an old man laying there with a knife sticking out of his chest it's going to draw attention if anybody walks by even at a carnival yeah may as well put a flagpole yeah even at a carnival this is that's beyond the put a flagpole there. Yeah, even at a carnival, that's beyond the pale. Might as well put cones around him, just orange cones. So Pauline is asleep still in the loft area of the trailer,

like a little thing up there. Cab over. So once they get him inside, they decide to shoot. I guess he's not dead yet, quite sunny. So they decide to shoot him in the chest as well. Yeah, that'll wake her up. Now, when they shoot him in the chest, yeah, she apparently doesn't wake up from this somehow. Or she either doesn't wake up or she either that or she opened her eyes like, what was that?

And just was like kind of groggy for a minute because I don't know how easily 79 year old people wake up takes me a minute yeah i just had my aunt here at my house for uh thanksgiving and my friend i'm shocked how well she sleeps it is yeah i yeah i thought i was gonna have to bury her she was so asleep when you're that close to death that really your sleep is probably you know yeah you're this it's a fine line at that point. You can cross over quick. It's a couple heartbeats away from it. Yeah, you can cross over fast. Fast, fast.

So this is fucking messed up. Now, he's been shot and stabbed in the chest, and he's dead on the floor. They go over. They shoot Pauline twice in the face while she's laying in bed. over they shoot pauline twice in the face while she's laying in bed and 79 year old fucking and these people are like sweet grandparently looking people too these aren't like they're not like scraggly i don't even know i can't imagine what would make you be like oh fuck this 80 year old i'll shoot them but they don't they look like your grandparents like you'd hope your grandparents look you know they stand out in this group yeah there are people that you go oh i want to go help them with things do you need help with anything

because you're old and you seem nice you know instead they just murder them instead they murder them then they shoot her two more times in the torso as well because twice in the face isn't enough to kill a 79 year old lady apparently yeah so this is insane so now they have everybody's they killed both of them and they've just unload five shots five shots oh my that's got to be so loud inside of a trailer too right it's got to sound pretty goddamn loud so that's what they do they're both dead here at some point joining the team is christine tenney t-e-n-n-e-y who's 38 years old from santa fe texas she somehow gets involved in this she's told about the carnival mafia and they and and if she helps out the next stage of this yeah she can be in the carnival mafia as well that's what

happens we don't have any saints to burn but we have stains and that's the same amount of letters that's same shit same shit so then they decide oh fuck what are we gonna do now we have these bodies so they they leave them in here um for now they get away from the park area where they were camped yeah they move the couple's bodies into the camper and they drive about 300 miles to to van buren arkansas where they existed yeah we've done an episode about it oh that's right yeah we did we did yeah we did a van buren episode a van buren episode yeah somebody killed i want to say their mother at that one. So a lot of episodes coming up in this episode. That's crazy.

Crazy, yeah. So anyway, they take the bodies and they end up taking them to Van Buren where they bury them in a very shallow grave, like not really a grave,

just going to throw some shit on top of them next to a creek in the woods. I'm still baffled. What is the point? To steal steal their shit to get their camper and their and their trailer there's thin numbers and shit like the carnival mafia has connections though jimmy that's the thing they can clean that right up the dmv is at their mercy you know how it is it's all corrupt jimmy i just don't just don't understand what they think they're going to do.

You just don't know the inner workings of the carnival mafia. That's all it is. Wish you did. All this for a fucking play more? Like, what's the deal? It's wild stuff. So they end up doing all, like we said, they take them there. Then they're going to go hang out at a friend of the Tenney woman, Christine Tenney, over in Arkansas.

They're going to go to this apartment. Okay. Okay. Now, once it's all done, Michael Fowler has a job to do here because he's doing this for the Carnival Mafia. So he has to let the Carnival Mafia guy know that this is done now. That's his job. He's supposed to message a guy on Facebook because that's how the Carnival Mafia. Well, yeah, an over electronic stuff that's saved forever because that's how the Mafia

does it always. That's how you do it. You don't walk down the street with a cigarette up to your mouth whispering like in Casino or like John Gotti used to do. Toothpick as you come out of a restaurant. Just Facebook message it. You're good. Jump on your iPhone and hit Messenger.

That's all. Boom. Done. So he's supposed to do that and he does it. That's what I mean. These are not bright people. Unbelievably stupid. So the man he is messaging on Facebook is Frank Zaitchik. Okay. z-a-i-t-c-h-i-k

frank zeit chick that's who he's the leader of the carnival mafia or a big wig at least that's the boss as far as they know that's the guy here to talk to so he michael Fowler messages him, quote, It's done. They're dead. And there is T.H.E.I.R. Even in his. Yeah. Which I don't care, but he's a moron anyway, and he can't even get this right. He is miraculously stupid. Insanely stupid. This is a two thirty a.m. on July 14th.

Wow. So, yeah. Frank replies back. Good job. Now get out out fowler here michael says i am trying to calm down right now oh so the carnival mafia boss here frank says deep breaths because that's what it is if you're in the mafia and you're like, I'm trying to kill Fat Louie, okay? I got Fat Louie. He's dead.

Deep breaths, okay? It's all right. It's going to be all right. Can I get you like some tea or something maybe to calm you down? Like a CBD gummy maybe, you know, chill you out a little bit. There's another method. Have you tried counting to 10 yet? Yeah, have you tried counting to 10?

Because that works. I'm telling you. I do that with my kids all the time and it works. Count to 10 yet? Yeah, have you tried counting to 10? Because that works, I'm telling you. I do that with my kids all the time, and it works. Count to 10 deep breaths, and then spin in three circles. This is so dumb. He says, deep breaths. The first is always the hardest. Oh, my God, Frank.

Jen sent me pictures of the man. I sent on to the heads of council. Oh. Then he says, says next sentence war is over so what that's it they've apparently the carnival mafia has had a real like a street feud here with the sellers of knickknacks elderly people who sell knickknacks at the county fair that's there's been a war the unlicensed nascar flags are really killing us we're getting a lot of cnds in the mail not playing it anymore you want to sell the stars and bars that shit's gonna have to be made in usa brother the war is on so holy fuck war is over. Michael responds, thank God.

War is over. Thank God. Michael's been worried about it. He said, thank God and okay. I feel like I got a lead weight on my chest. On my chest? On my chest. Oh, you can't breathe.

I can't breathe. So Frank replies, you need to relax. Yeah. And he says, I am. My chest has eased up a bit. That's Michael's response back. In the last two messages, I've calmed down. You know what?

You told me deep breaths. I didn't think to breathe earlier, so thank you. It's like you got a lead weight. No, no, breathe. Oh, got it. In and out like that. Okay. This guy's such a moron, that wouldn't be out of the realm

of imagination for this would it you gotta suck oh i got it okay oh in and then out jesus christ fuck i was going i was just going out after it was kind of going opposite to breathe in how did you go opposite i had a lead weight i just can't breathe it out feels like i have a lead weight on my chest because i did i just moved it i had a lead weight i just can't breathe it out something's wrong feels like i have a lead weight on my chest because i did i just moved it i just ah i feel better now much better that was a 50 pound one for my for my weight set you know so he's so dumb a couple days goes by july 17th 2018 by this time the carpenters, Pauline and Sonny's daughter, has reported them missing because she can't get a hold of them.

So then on July 17th, same day, the Van Buren Police Department, where this is going on, gets a call from a woman who tells them that her sister is being held hostage at the Vista Hills apartments. Oh, OK. This is Christine Tenney's sister. Somehow she got up there. Yeah.

Somehow she got the idea that she was being held hostage, which she's not. OK, so this is fucking amazing. Yeah. This lady calls all the way from Texas, by the way, to say my sister's being held hostage. She's with some people who are traveling with the carnival. They're holding her hostage. She said that her sister had traveled to Van Buren from Kansas and also somebody's been murdered.

Oh, OK. What? My someone's been murdered. My sister got taken from Kansas to Arkansas. Now she's being held hostage, possibly by murderers. That's the order. That's the order of how it goes. So yeah, this is the

police officer. Quote, she called her sister and her sister called 911 and said, hey, my sister just called me and explained to me that she's traveling with these people and they possibly murdered somebody in Kansas. Can you send somebody out there to see what's going on? So they said that

out of town, then they talked to people at the apartment complex and they learned that out of town visitors had showed up to the apartment complex driving a truck, pulling a camper. So, yeah, I love that everyone in the complex knows when out of town visitors have pulled up. That's funny also. So officers go to the complex where they find christine tenney who had been supposedly kidnapped but she told them i'm not kidnapped no i'm great i am fucking thrilled to be here absolutely of my own volition and will free will totally fine here so then um they found you know all the rest of them are there fowowler, Younger, Frazier, the whole crew's there. But also there is the Carpenter's Camper.

Yeah. And on there, it's got a bullet hole in it. Oh, you would say from the outside? Yeah, there's a bullet hole. One of the shots went through the fucking camper wall, because it's a thin wall. So, yeah, there's a, it's parked outside, it's got a bullet hole in it. And also

on the outside, just near the outskirts of the camper, there are trash bags. Oh. In those trash bags, there are bloody paper towels. Yeah. Bloody clothing that looks like it belongs to 80-year-olds. Uh-oh. Two spent 9-millimeter shell casings. What?

A blood-spattered sleep apnea machine. Oh, she's got a CPAP with them. Yeah. Or there was one near the bed and it got on it. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

A blood spattered sleep apnea machine. That's, that's all in. That's right. That's right outside the trailer. So when they see that and a bullet hole and someone, and a call that someone may have been murdered and someone might be kidnapped, the cops are like, everybody's coming to the police station. We're going to talk about this.

And the people that own this are reported missing. That's the other thing. You run the tags and it goes back to missing people. So we're going to talk about a lot. There's about 18 different crimes going on right now. We don't know who did what or where to who or why but we gotta fucking talk about this we've got 18 crimes and four faces and we just need to match them to each yeah we gotta figure out who did what to who and when and why so younger they ask

she's the one who tries to explain where the carpenters are she's like yeah yeah they took off and went somewhere and we are you know bought their truck from them and we don't have a bill of sales or anything, obviously, yet, but we're going to get it. Then they said, okay, well, what's your name? And she said, well, I'm not giving you my name. That's weird. Yeah. Well, she just said, they said, but you know where the carpenters are. And she said, yeah. We drove them to a rental car place after we bought it. They said, well, we'll rent a car. And they were headed off to a casino. Oh.

And they said, OK, well, where's the rental car place? Because they're going to have to. Yeah, which one did you drop us at? They'll have to return it. So then we'll know. And she said, oh, I don't remember that. Oh, that's good. So I don't remember where it was.

And I won't give you my name. But they're fine they're at a casino somewhere living it up try these bracelets on yeah so what about that so they go no let's all go in for questioning here let's let's figure this out here how about that so the police talk to fowler okay he seems like the biggest moron they can get pretty dumb yeah he's pretty dumb okay so he says he gets in there and uh because all of none of her shit matches up younger at all so they talk to him and they go listen none of this matches up we got this this this and this there's bullet holes bloody stuff we know you're involved where are

the people to just tell us where you put them just tell us where you put the bodies yeah that's how they approach him and he says well see the thing see, the thing is, you're right. I shot Alfred with my Ruger 9mm. And then I went in and I shot Pauline twice as well. And he says, but the thing is, it wasn't about, and they said, well, did you have a beef with them? Was this just a robbery? And he goes, neither. He goes, this is the Carnival Mafia.

Oh, yeah. They go, the what now? And he goes, it was a this is the Carnival Mafia. Oh, yeah. They go, the what now? And he goes, it was a hit for the Carnival Mafia. There was a war going on, and these two were big targets. Yeah. And the cop goes, what the fuck are you talking about? Even in Arkansas, they're like, this ain't real, right? Get the fuck out of here.

He tells a detective this. This is the funniest thing anyone's ever said in an interrogation. Quote, it was supposed to be my blood in. Like, I was supposed to be in the mafia now. So I can go home now, right? This is my, it was just an initiation. You know, we was just joshing. Like, yeah.

Wow. He said that he's supposed to be initiated into the family now. That's how it works. That said then so we loaded him in the trailer and we drove him to van buren he said the three of them and another man who we'll talk about a little bit later because all he does is help with the disposal and kind of disappears and then he shows up later for court so that's about it yeah see all the court i gotta go yeah later well no he's got to go to prison is where he's got to go because he can't do that um so then he says yeah that was we dropped it dumped the bodies off star road and um he told the that they covered the bodies with bedding found

in the camper then with rocks and limbs so they put some comforters on them and then put some rocks and limbs on top of that and said, that's a good burial. That ought to do. Yeah, bedspreads are normal in the woods. People don't think that's suspicious. Wow. So yeah, they went out and Arkansas Game and Fish and the United States Forest Service found

the, and the police also in the coroner's office, everybody went out, found the bodies and exactly where he said they were. And they said, supposedly they were buried here. Monday is what they were. That's what the announcement announcement they make to the public. So what they do then is they start looking into everything and they go. So there was a guy you were talking to.

He goes, yeah, the leader. He's a he's well, not the leader. He's got there's a council, a board of counts, obviously. I mean, there's a board of directors. It's a corporate organization, really. But he was my point man here, Frank. And they went, okay. And so they started looking into social media stuff through his phone.

They found out Frank's account, and they did all that. And they go, yeah, we did a bunch of – we did all the cracking and, you know, forensic technology shit that we do. That Frank Facebook account, that is actually Kim Younger's account. That's her. She's Frank. She's Frank. Yeah, your girlfriend's Frank. It's a made up account.

She said, calm down, breathe. It's a made up account. She's texting him from next to him being Frank. She's Frank Vycek. Frank Vycek. Yeah, Vycek or whatever. And she's texting him while he's texting. She logged into her other account.

I'm just playing words with friends. You just keep telling that guy what you did. Incredible. It was her. Yep. And he said he was completely shocked. They said he was like, what? Oh, my God.

He said he was surprised that she could send messages that look like they were coming from someone else. How'd she do that? But it said it was from Frank. They're like, she logged into a different account. He's like, how'd she do? He couldn't understand. He couldn't process how a message that said Frank was actually from her. He could not get it through his head.

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appears anywhere in public records at all anywhere yeah and why would she what is she i just don't understand the plan i don don't get it. I don't either. Now, they did find a different Frank, a Frank Zeit Schick, with an S where the C is. Okay. He owns Wade Shows, Inc., which is a traveling carnival company based in Michigan. I wonder if she knows that guy. She must have heard his name around or something and just said, oh, I heard a carnival guy in Michigan by that name. Yeah.

Now, this guy, Zite Schick here, he told the Washington Post that he does not know them at all, has never contacted them. He looked his records. They've never worked for his organization. Wow. I don't know who the fuck they are. I don't know why they used my name. He said, quote, it's kind of bone chilling. I'm a solid citizen, and wade shows has a wonderful reputation so the detective said we believe that younger was acting as frank and claiming he was

part of the car of this carnival mafia yeah and um he also by the way this zeitgeist zeitgeist you know kim posing as frank also texted others in the group you know might as well if you got an account telling them to clean the inside of the camper and dispose of the bodies and telling them like what to do and like well you're not in until you dispose of the bodies that's part of it get rid of them get rid of them now holy fucking shit um she would log into his account and show the rest of the people and say hey here are here are messages I'm getting from Frank. She would send herself messages from Frank and then be like, log back into her thing and then be like, here,

Frank sent me these messages. So we all have to do this. What the shit? Wow. So the police sit her down. Let's talk to Kimberly younger because she's, she seems to be the one with the brains here in this operation. Not good brains,

but no, just the dumb brain. The only ones Not good brains, but dumb brains. The only ones. The only, yeah. The shit for them, but still, their brains. She's the only one with a triple-digit IQ in the entire fucking group. So they catch her telling multiple lies. She won't admit to anything.

She told police that she was part of the Carnival Mafia. Oh. That's what she said. She goes, I don't know anything about these murders, but the Carnival Mafia is real, and I she was part of the carnival mafia oh that's what she said she goes i don't know anything about these murders but i am the carnival mafia is real and i'm a part of it i i'm well aware she said it involved money laundering and murder and the cops said no it what the fuck are you talking about they said no that is not true there is no carnival mafia we looked into this you're not i'm sure there murders, but it has nothing to do with organization. It's just meth.

That's all. It's just a bunch of people who want meth from each other. So they wrote, quote, we believe she fabricated the carnival mafia thing. And then Zatschik, the real guy, the Michigan guy, he says, unlike some stereotypes of yesterday, the carnival industry is an upstanding, law-abiding business. Calm down, Frank. Stick with there's no carnival mafia. That's good enough. Stick with I've done nothing wrong.

That's it. Yeah, not me. No carnival mafia and move on from there. I've known people who work for carnivals. You know, I've talked about Satanic Bill and his fucking copious meth habit. The bad stuff exists. It's there. So they arrest everybody, obviously.

They're being held on a million-dollar bond. Now, they don't charge them in Arkansas with the murder because it happened in Kansas. So they just grab them up and they charge them with abuse of a corpse, theft by receiving and tampering with evidence because that all happened in Arkansas. So they do that. That way they can hold them until they can be extradited to Kansas here. So they said, quote, when we investigated that here in Van Buren, some of the property, some of that property was in different locations, meaning that they had stolen. The actual trailer was located in Fort Smith near the fairgrounds.

The camper was the thing that was at the apartment complex. So they had already started to get rid of this property or sell it or whatever it was they were doing. What the fuck? They sold their goods off. They sold the trailer. Just selling it. They were turning it over.

Wow. So yeah, they're waiting for extradition and they finally pirates they are they're more carnival pirates than carnival mafia so the other guy that's charged is uh thomas donald drake he was 30 years old from van buren arkansas he was i think of i think christine tenney knew him and somehow roped him into this i don't even think he's a carny he just got. She just blew him or something. Yeah.

It was like, you want to help dispose of bodies? Like, I guess. I don't know. Nothing better to do. So in court, Drake here, he is convicted of obstruction in the apprehension of a person committing a felony. So he's charged with that. His sentence ends up before he ends up being sentenced at all. Like he's in jail longer than his sentence would be. know before he ends up being sentenced it all like he's in jail longer than his sentence would be so they end up just releasing him in february of 2020 oh my god

wow that's a man that handled dead bodies dead elderly folks just unleash him on the society of van buren sure he could be talked into anything this guy well yeah easily very malleable this guy gullible fella wow michael fowler because i mean this guy just went oh man i got suckered he has no defense for this at all he just pleads guilty to two counts of premeditated first degree murder which is a lot that's a as bad as you get on the flip side of that james if you came to me and said i got two bodies i'll help you get rid of it and then you better tell me the fucking story you know what i mean i better know i want to know the story and if it's i just marked these old people for no reason i'm like you met you why'd you do that to me that's what i mean what

are you doing you're gonna get caught now i'm in trouble thanks a lot thank Now I'm going to go to jail for a couple of years for no reason. Thanks a lot. I didn't even get to sell a trailer. I got nothing. I got nothing out of this. I'm not even in the carnival mafia now. You are. Yeah.

Can you get me in the carnival mafia, I guess? Do I get cotton candy or something? Oh. Unlimited popcorn? I bet the carnival mafia initiation ceremonies, it's just fried Twinkies. It's a party. That's sugared bread. Yeah, it's all there.

It's a goddamn Navajo taco. Let's get it. Oh, it's the best, yeah. Fried Snickers bars. Come on. So sentencing comes around. The mitigation evidence is this. Remorse.

This is his please don't put me in forever fucking begging. He has remorse and he's accepted responsibility. He realized he's a complete moron. I'm dumb as shit. I just learned how to breathe. I'm so stupid. I didn't even know how to breathe. I'm glad.

I was actually happy for that Frank feller because he helped me through it. I can't believe I made it all these years. They gave me that CPAP. I've been using that. I think it was good. They're probably going to sell that, too. Personal accomplishments showing a generally good character, such as military service and post-high school education. Oh.

Yeah. Childhood and birth family challenges. This is a great one. Special vulnerability to the influence of others. I don't know what that means. I'm real gullible. I'm so gullible. As shown by psychological testing as well.

They said he's easily influenced. Physical infirmities, including a heart condition and a head injury. A history of drug and alcohol addiction and a compliant incarceration record. The state says they targeted old people because of their age and their fucking, you know, a soft target. Basically, family members submit statements and all of that. They they Fowler statement expressing remorse in the statements of the victim's family and all that kind of stuff. And then the judge says this.

It's a good one, too. Wow. This was a horrible crime as no one disputes. And even you don't dispute that it was committed by you. It was planned. It was premeditated. It was done for the purpose of stealing property, getting money, or perhaps joining a gang or mafia or something. Or something.

Whatever your dipshit ass thought you were doing. Regardless of any of that, that does not allow anyone to take someone else's lives, whether you were misled or whether whatever. You also then, once you shot someone twice, and then thereafter Mr. Car Carpenter and then you went inside and shot her twice. And those are choices that you made at that point in time. It was then attempted to be hidden. Taken out the bodies were tried to be hidden. They were removed from the state all as a pre-plan. I have a real difficult time in giving any sympathy to that

because it was a choice that was made. And I understand that you had a tough life in certain areas, and perhaps there's been some mental illnesses that have affected this, but you know, that has been going on since 1987 and looking at your criminal history. Uh-oh. Yeah, that's since he was 20. Granted, as you said, criminal history was burglaries

and Grand Theft auto and those types of things. Nothing to this extent. But this was something that was just heinous. I do believe or I do not believe that there's any. I do not believe the mitigating factors outweigh and the aggravating factors that occurred in this case. I am not going to find any substantial and compelling reason to grant a motion for departure to the 25 years i'm going to therefore order deny the motion to depart order that the 50 year sentence for the murder of mr carpenter is to be a hard 50 that means 50 every day of it every day of it he's 54 so he's done it's um i'm going to run that consecutive because it was two separate crimes that could have been precluded and prevented.

And as to Miss Carpenter, that would also be a hard 50. 100 years. 100 hard. Yeah. 100 flat. No. No. No.

Early. Nothing. You do them all. You're doing 100. Holy shit. We're going to keep your corpse in the yard until 2000 not doing 40 he's about until 21 25 we're gonna keep your corpse in the yard we're gonna put uh tether balls coming off of you and use you as the pole holy shit i will run that the theft charge uh a concurrent charge you we have two consecutive

as a favor oh do you solid here chief we have two consecutive then there are two concurrent to the theft charge so yes he's fucked that's what that is it's over for him you sir may fuck off 100 years every day of it hard 100 that is hard 50 that's the crazy that's the that's maybe the most fucking like just bloodthirsty sentence ever yeah you are i'm so what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna put you in until you die okay all right bye peace i'm guaranteeing it oh you're definitely gonna die in there it's not a fucking even a question yeah nobody's lived to 152 no no if you do power to you sir i mean rock on chief but you know i'll give you the horns here but you know what i mean otherwise i don't know so next up rusty frazier comes in and the old old rusty here, he pleads guilty as well because he's pretty fucked.

Fowler gave it up on everybody, so what are you going to do? Yeah, it's over. He is sentenced to, you sir, may fuck off. Life without parole for 50 years for each of the two counts, two run consecutively. 100 hard years for him as well. It's so funny. He didn't even pull a trigger. He wasn't even there like right there when the killing happened,

but he was involved in everything else. Yeah. Christine Tenney comes in now. She is sentenced to, you ma'am, may fuck off, six years in prison. She came on way afterwards. For aggravated robbery and eight months for obstructing

apprehension. She kind of kept for aggravated robbery and eight months for obstructing apprehension. Yeah. Because that's all. Yeah, she kind of kept everybody. I have a place we can go was her thing. The fun part is she's the reason we all got caught. That's the funny part. Yeah.

She's the least valuable, the least integral, and she's the one who got us all caught. Perfect. The linchpin. Yeah. The linchpin. Kimberly now, she will not plead. She ain't pleading shit. She pleads not guilty. She wantsinchpin, yeah. The linchpin. Kimberly now, she will not plead. She ain't pleading shit.

She pleads not guilty. She wants a trial. Wow. She pleads, even though it's all like the, she's got the, I don't know what she's thinking. They take the death penalty off the table for some reason here. They say she's the mastermind, obviously. Prosecutors say they would not seek the death penalty. She's also charged with first degree premeditated murder conspiracy to commit first degree premeditated murder solicitation to commit

first degree premeditated murder and felony theft oh my god prosecutor says one person was responsible the leader without miss younger there's probably not a murder definitely not a murder it was all her idea. She planned it for months. She said that they picked targets that made sure the crimes were done, then made sure the crimes were done. She directed the cleanup. The defendant was the leader of this group,

and she's the last to be sentenced. Can you charge her like she is in a gang? Because she tried to make, she tried to have a gang just because it didn't exist. Technically, if you get a bunch of people together and they're killing people for that purpose, then that's a gang because she tried to make it was she tried to have a gang just because it didn't exist technically if you get a bunch of people together and they're killing people for that purpose in your direction that's a gang that's a fucking gang yeah so um she is convicted of capital murder they have all the evidence i mean it's i don't even have to go over to the trial obviously so um during her sentencing two of the carpenter's six children spoke at the sentencing hearing

and uh by the way the sentencing hearing was would the Carpenter's six children spoke at the sentencing hearing. And by the way, the sentencing hearing would have been Alfred's 82nd birthday. Oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah. So they got to get on the stand and go, this is my father's birthday. And today we're going to talk about this. Yeah. They showed show.

They showed photos of their parents. They described them as hardworking, honest, caring people. She said this. The two people whose lives you did not care about cared about so many people. I could go on and on about what great people my parents were. You robbed us. You robbed all of us. Yeah, I would say so. She said that Younger showed disrespect for her parents during the trial with her fake crocodile tears. Younger tried to cry it out.

And Younger just stared ahead, not looking at anybody. She went into total catatonic mode here. So they spoke at length about their parents, their generosity, kindness, what they meant to family members. And they said mostly they just loved people and never met a stranger. That's why they were friendly to talk to them. So the defense team said they had been looking for mitigating evidence since they thought the death penalty was going to happen. They said that the state would have gone deeper in finding mitigating evidence, but then they announced they wouldn't seek the death penalty. So we don't have all the mitigating evidence, but we have some.

So we don't have all the mitigating evidence, but we have some. He said she was abused, sexually abused by her stepfather when she was a child, which is awful, but that doesn't make you kill elderly people. That's a weird put together. My God, man. You can't just put that as a defense for anything you do unless if you recognize that, then you should have been working on yeah yeah that's or something but this is just yeah you can't say that's that's that's insulting to people who've been sexually abused being like oh i'm gonna use this as an excuse to kill old people um the lawyer said it's not a justification but it's an explanation and uh they said would you like to say anything kimberly, since you've done all this dumb shit now?

After she's convicted, she said, quote, I don't wish to address the court, sir. That was stupid. Not even like I beg you to not treat me like a piece of swine? Not even that. Nothing. Nothing at all here. So the judge says, you, ma'am, may fuck off life without parole.

Life without? Life without. No one's getting out out of all three of these idiots that were involved. No one's ever getting out. They should name the swine show the Kimberly Younger Fat Pig Swine Show. Yeah. Kimberly and Mike. Shit wallowing fat pigs.

Kim and Mike Fat pig swine show also if that's not enough i'm gonna give you an extra 245 months which is 20 years and five months for one for a count of conspiracy to commit murder one count of solicitation to commit murder and one count of theft and they're to be served consecutively by the way so it's life without plus 20 is it the same judge? He is so much fun. He's fun. He's really batting this around.

I'll tell you what. The state also asked for restitution as well. Oh. They said younger will probably never be released, but if she gets a prison job, 25% of her income will go toward the restitution of more than $30,000 as well. They said that, yeah, there's no way she'll ever be close to paying this. They go, well, she'll try, though. Make her give it a shot, shit, yeah. She's going to have less ramen noodles, that we know.

They said she will appeal this verdict. It's not fair, obviously. They said she did not fire the gun, the lawyer said. So what? This is crazy. She appeals, or he appeals, the hard 50 sentence and uh the court rejected his claim that the district court abused its discretion by refusing to grant a downward departure sentence citing the court's comprehensive analysis that determined the mitigating factors

advanced by fowler did not constitute substantial compelling reasons to depart from the statutory presumptive sentence fuck off asshole wow younger appeals too she appeals on the counts uh about that uh the because it was during covid so she said the two-way video testimony violated her fundamental right to face-to-face confrontation which they already dealt with that well before they got to her. So, yeah. Also, failing to order sequestration of the state's lead detective violated her right to a fair trial, and cumulative error denied her a fair trial. We should really just let her go again.

They say, I don't fucking think so. No way. Have fun. Keep on keeping on, Chief. And there you go. And that is Kansas, everybody. Great Bend, Kansas. And there you go. And that is Kansas, everybody. Great Bend, Kansas. Carnivals are terrifying.

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