Small Town Murder - #447 - Bargain Bin Bundy - Chunchula, Alabama

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

This week, in Chunchula, Alabama, a charming, handsome, and remorseless serial killer works his way across the south, leaving a trail of bodies in his wake. He freely admits to, and brags about his crimes, even telling about some murders, for which he wasn't even a suspect. He's called "a low rent Ted Bundy" by prosecutors, but will he meet the same fate?Along the way, we find out that some festivals have a hard time booking bands, that a psychopath can pass lie detector tests, and that if you kill more than a dozen people, no one can call you "a nice guy"!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's a comedy show. The jokes are going to be made. People are going to die. This episode, a lot of people are going to die. And the way to do that is what we do is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. Yeah, but, but we're not scumbags. See how that works?

There you go. It's a pretty good deal. But there's plenty of other stuff to make fun of in this, especially, wow, this one, there's tons of other. A lot of dumbness has to go on for a serial killer to be able to ply his trade and not be caught. So we'll find out about a whole lot of stuff about all of that. And before we do, though, I think it's time.

Let's all sit back, everybody. Clear the lungs. And by the way, Dallas Live Show, you guys were amazing. What the hell? This is the loudest shut up and give me murder I've ever heard. My ears are ringing. You guys were amazing. Thank you.

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Let's do this. Oh, by the way, before we go, listen to your stupid opinions. Yeah, give it a run. Give it a run. It's fantastic. And crime and sports while you're at it. Tons of murder lately. Also fantastic. All right. We're going on a a trip we're going to chunchula alabama chunchula chunchula alabama c-h-u-n-c-h-u-l-a chunchula yep it's also turnerville

is part of it but turnerville appears to be part of Chinchula, and there's nobody in either place, so it doesn't matter. We'll find out. Yeah, Chinchula is native for Turnerville. I do know that. Yeah, it is. It's native for nobody around at all. It's native for nowhere to buy grits around here because there's nobody here. This is in southwestern Alabama.

It's about a half hour to Mobile, so outside of there. About four hours to Morris, Alabama, our last Alabama episode,'s about a half hour to Mobile. So outside of there. About four hours to Morris, Alabama. Our last Alabama episode, which was a crazy one. That was fornication, forensics, and french fries with the Milo's french fries and all that sort of thing. That was amazing. Solving a murder based on french fries is awesome. You got to eat them when they're hot, James. You got to.

If you don't, they know you killed somebody. That's how it works. This is in Mobile County. Area code 251 in this area. Little bit of history. We'll do this pretty quick, get through the history part and most of the stuff because we have a lot of murder today. It's in Mobile County, like we said. This is an unincorporated community.

And it was originally called Chinchula, which is a Choctaw Indian word for fox. Oh. Okay. They said the name embodies the profound Native American connections that permeate the region. That's what the website says. Yeah. I guess there's that. The Choctaw was the dominant tribe in this area.

And they were very into the land and its creatures and that sort of thing. And so they named places after creatures. And this became a fox type of place. They said they had a very big respect for the fox because of its cleverness and adaptability. Yeah, I don't know. I have some in my woods here, and they pop out. I'm like, how the hell do these things live? I don't know.

They're holes. Yeah, they're kind of cool. Reviews of this town, a couple. There's only a couple because we'll find out there's nobody here. these things live i don't know if they do holes yeah yeah they're kind of cool yeah reviews of this town couple there's only a couple because we'll find out there's nobody here so i don't know how the hell you'd review it four stars here we go my family just moved to chinchula in august of last year we had no idea about the area neither did we that's we have something we just heard about it and really still getting to know the area. Due to our busy schedule, have not had time to meet many people. Well, that's because there's nobody there.

So I think you did meet everybody probably. Probably. Did find a warm, welcome church nearby, Georgetown Assembly of God. Definitely this is country out here. Have seen raccoons, snakes, turtles, possums, et cetera. You know, wildlife. You know, wildlife. You know, backwoods shit. Yeah, you said country.

We assumed all the animals would be there. They're all making an appearance. Here's three stars. Love the small rural town. We could use more parks and community services for children. Well, yeah, there's nothing here. It's at least 20 minutes from the interstate. This isn't even an exit on the interstate.

20 minutes from ability to get elsewhere. I have a feeling you're going to take some dirt roads on the way to that interstate. This is like where the Duke boys lived. You know what I mean? Uncle Jesse is up here making moonshine. Very rural. We are connected

to Georgetown when it comes to grocery and fuel there's nothing here and we'll find out population of this town 241 yeah why why would nobody ever spend any money there what's i mean there's no centralized for what there's nobody here there's i mean honestly and probably half of those people don't want to be around people that's why they live here they don't want to be around people. That's why they live here. They don't want to be a community. They want to be on their farm or on their ranch and leave me the fuck alone. They need to make it very easy to not be within 500 feet of a schoolhouse. Or in their stump of their tree. Yeah.

You know, one of those. That's either one. One of the two there. So anyway, here we go. Population 241, male, female. It is 68.5% female. That's great. Well, they're all 100, though.

We'll find out the ages. That's great. They're all 100, and they're not all Dolly Partons walking around. This is a different story. Median age here, 61.1. Yikes. Median. Median. Median.

Yeah. For every 50-year-old, there's a 70-year-old. There's an 80-year-old. Oh, my word. Sounds more extreme. Yeah, it does. For every 30-year-old, there's a 90-year-old. There's apparently zero children 0 to 4 years old.

Okay. So no toddlers at all. None. No need for a pre-k here at all who's birthing them at 61 that's the thing there's zero people ages 18 to it looks like 18 to 34 there's nobody that age in this town 34 and older 18 to 34 doesn't exist there's some kids there's some 35 and 5 to 17 is fine and then 35 but it really kicks up at the age 60 to 64 is 42.7 of the population is in that four-year thing it's very strange really weird and then there is 6.6 which is way above the average for 85 and over as well

so it is fucking old everyone here is 16 or 75. There's no in between. It's some weird cocoon town. I don't know what's going on. So 67% are married in this town. 25% are divorced. 0.0% are married with children. 0.0 are single with children.

Yeah. So I don't know how that works, but there are children, but nobody's married or single with children yeah so i don't know how that works but there are children but nobody's married or single with children how do they get 60 married with 60 i guess only seven percent of the women are single that i don't know wow i but no because there's more women so there would have to be uh beats the shit out of me so i don't get it yeah race of this town here uh 12.7 percent white 87.3 percent black that's it wow nobody else um the religion of the sound 62 religious and i'm not i only have to give you a guess here 29 here is baptist baptists are as we know the catholics of the south and uh yeah they're pretty're pretty easy to find down there

0.2% Jewish which is interesting it's got to be one family though out of 241 people that's one guy one couple something like that so in this county Mobile County last election 43.4% voted Democrat

55.3% Republican 1.3% Independent. This area includes Mobile, the city, too. Chinchula, the unemployment rate is a little above the national average, but not too bad. The thing that's not great is the median household income here. It is $35,896 a year, which is just above being half of the national average. That's not good. That is.

Social Security is what that is. It gets a lot of old people. And cost of living here is 84 out of 100. So it's not even like it's the cheapest place in the world. Median home costs, though, $200,700. I don't know. I guess it's got to be a family heirloom, the house? What the fuck?

I think there's a lot of – these are a lot of passed down houses, I would think, too. People have lived here. It's got to be. Probably a farm and then you give it to your kids. I think that's how it works. Great-grandpa paid this off before the Depression. From what I've gathered, there are farms and trailers here. So I think in the middle is $200,000 between something worth $12,000 and something worth $400,000 on a bunch of land.

So here we go. And if we have convinced you, obviously, that you'd like to be numbers 242 and maybe 243 or however many people you have with you, we have for you the Chinchilla Alabama Real Estate Report. almost said chunchula alabama real estate report the average two-bedroom rental here is about 880 dollars i don't know if they exist though that might be one guy rents a two-bedroom place from somebody goes i paid 880 and then they wrote it down that's all i can imagine it is uh here's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,100-square-foot trailer is number one. Inside, they have done no staging for anything. Oh. They came in in the middle of these people's day and took real estate pictures. The bathroom counter, because it's a small little bathroom counter,

and obviously a couple lives there, is just just there's not one inch of counter space because it's all products it's all their shit all their shit they're showered like they clearly took showers and left and like the shower curtains half open and like wet inside and like a loofah is hanging off the thing there's a box there's a box fan in the bedroom, which that's a good sign. You're living. Well, um, is a,

is a $19 box fan in your bedroom that has the most dust on it. I've ever seen on anything in my life. Like, I don't know how any air circulates out of it. It's just thick with, with shit on it. It's disgusting. Not a great place.

Put it that way. Shit everywhere. $880,000 per month. $110,000 for that. Okay. $110,000, which that seems excessive. That seems steep. It seems a little steep, I would say.

Is there something gold in there? Is there oil under this thing? What are we talking about? We're told there's bars of silver on the property. Possibly. So we've got to value it as such. They were buried by a pirate. We don't know if they're here or not.

But the treasure map, the X, is right under your trailer. So the next one, two-bedroom, one-bath, 1,797 square feet. It's a very weird house. It looks like a sod hut almost. Like, it's not any shape that you can discern. It's not square. It's not rectangle. It's not a sod hut almost. It's not any shape that you can discern. It's not square. It's not rectangle. It's not a hexagon.

It's sort of rounded. It looks like a fort. It's very weird. Like a weird desert fort. Very strange. It looks like a murder house on the inside. It looks like it's in the middle of construction. There's no walls?

Some places, yeah. But it looks like construction was going on, and then it stopped five years places, yeah. But there's like, it looks like construction was going on and then it stopped five years ago and now they're trying to sell it. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't look like they're in the middle of fixing it. It looks like, well, we tried but it didn't work, so we left some two-by-sixes in there if you want them.

We ran out of drywall. It's real, real weird. And it says, estate fixer-upper. That's the real estate thing. It's on 15 acres. Okay. Yes. And it says this property is for someone looking to hobby farm, orchard, winery, make it into an RV park or a mobile home park.

Want your own trailer park? Yeah. You can either a vineyard or a trailer park. Pick one. You want to go lot to lot annoying people on the first of the month or grow some grapes? $299,995 for that. It is a bunch of land. It is.

That's a lot of land. It's not bad. Here is three bedroom, three bath. T-ball for each and every b-hole. There you go. 2,047 square feet. 4.47 acres. Inside, it's clean, livable. it's the only one that's kind of put

together there are a disturbing amount of deers on deer on the wall like i don't care if you have deer on your wall it's it's just every room is full of them like if you got up from a chair you're gonna hit your head on a fucking on a yeah on some taxidermy you gotta duck out of the way some of that i get get it, like surviving off the land and stuff. I don't care what the fuck you do. That's whatever you got to do. But making the mount is so expensive.

Yeah. And on the walls, the only places that aren't covered in deer are covered in crosses. So literally, there's like groups of like seven crosses together. Like there's so many crosses and deer. It's amazing. They take the deer and they kill them in a very special way.

They put them up. It's weird. So, this house is $550,000. Oh. Yeah. So, good luck with that. That's steep. Does it come with the heads?

I think it comes with the crosses probably that's the only i don't know what they're made of but i think that would possibly fill in why that's 550 000 did he think the beginning of a prayer was dear jesus like you had to have a cross and a deer head no they pray to dear jesus it's jesus is a deer. Deer Jesus. Deer with sandals on. It's a deer Jesus. That's deer Jesus right there. D-E-E-R Jesus.

Like, eventually we'll get them, and then we'll put them up on the wall. So, things to do in this town. Yeah. Here we go. The Gumbo and Alabama Slammer Festival. Alabama. You don't want that. This sounds terrifying. Alabama Slammer is a drink, and that is a drink you don't want that this sounds terrifying alabama slammer is a drink and

that is a drink you don't want to drink that's a that's a rough drink right there oh so imagine the the shits you're gonna get from gumbo alabama alabama slammers all day long in the heat who who picks that as a combo wow i i wouldn't even provide public toilets because you're gonna destroy them and be like you want to shit you're going to destroy them. I'd be like, you want to shit, you're going home. I'm sorry. No shitting here. Wow. Wow.

This is in Foley, which is nearby. It says, everything gumbo and fun. All food and snack vendors will have at least one gumbo menu item. That's got to be weird for the ice cream guy. He's like, I don't, this doesn't, it just doesn't work, I guess. Nothing I can do, guys. I got a strawberry gumbo. Who wants it?

Here, two scoops. And the deep fried things guy and the things on a stick guy. Yeah. I can't gumbo a stick for you. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. It's like Nathan for you with the poop flavored ice frozen yogurt. Yeah.

So, yeah, gumbo vendors, Alabama sl slammers wine and beer fine arts and crafts live music free contest to enter and win cash and here we go with the lineup 10 o'clock a.m the festive the festivities and excitement begin that's what it says here 10 30 here we go it's beginning who's going to take the stage to be announced we don don't have anybody yet. We'll figure it out. Somebody who's willing to go on stage and play music at 10.30 in the morning on a weekend. Coming soon, whoever brings their guitar. That's it. It's karaoke.

12 o'clock noon, catch the gumbo contest. I don't know if they fling gumbo at you and you must catch it in your mouth or something. They throw cups of it? 12.15 is squeeze the gumbo at you and you must catch it in your mouth or something throw cups of it 12 15 is squeeze the gumbo okay some gumbo abuse going on here just put it in your hand and squeeze it whoever gets the mushiest gumbo one o'clock the band is coming on baby okay here we go by the way these uh they won i don't know who gave this award out, but they won the Tribute Band of the Year in some contest. Oh, God. The Sons of Bosephus are taking the stage.

They call themselves America's. What's Hank? Oh, they do. America's Premier Tribute to Hank Jr. You bet. There you go. 2021 award winners of the Tribute Award. Oh, two years ago.

Three o'clock, don't spill the rue contest what i guess maybe you're stirring because you stir in flour to make a room to get it to make a gumbo uh then there's a catch the gumbo contest again at 3 15 after it again yeah four o'clock to be announced but they have a two-hour set whoever whoever this is. We might be squeezing some more. I think Bosephus might come out again. And then it's over at 6 p.m., period. Never mind that, though. Crime rate in this town. Here we go.

What we need to find out about property crime, a bit above average somehow. Is that right? With 241 people. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime, just above average, but right about at average, you would say. Statistically, you'd call it in the average range. So I don't know how that's going on because there's nobody here, but they figure it out. That said, let's talk about some serious murder.

Okay. Let's do it. Yeah. Here we go. Let's talk about a young man here. Whoa, boy. Jeremy Bryan with a Y. Jones.

Jeremy Jones here. He will go by Jeremy Jones, but later on he will end up being John Paul Chapman as well. Oh, what is that? You'll find out. So he didn't pick that name. He kind of had that bestowed upon him because it's the only identity he could buy off of a guy in a bar. Oh, OK. It's crazy.

Let's start out. Let's jump right in the deep end here. And then we'll go back and swim back and kind of see how far we swam and how deep the waters were where we were. Let's see. September 21st, 2004. OK, let's jump to right there. He's arrested then yeah okay jeremy jones aka john chapman is arrested then yeah and co-workers of his really liked him a lot of people liked him he's a very

affable guy he's a real he's one of these john wayne gacy types that is a real can talk to anybody real bullshitter he's a construction guy so he's always got a line and you know some of those guys are uh he's a good construction guy that's fun to get along with yeah yeah i just hate their jokes because they're always terrible they're always dumb yeah they're just always jokes you heard in 1974 from we heard because we weren't born yet but that we're told in 1974 and we heard from an uncle and they've been telling for 30 years it's like okay stop stop that and then you're cool do you get it yeah that's what we call mexicans around here i got it i got it i understand that's why you say they're they're

damp i understand yep i yep it's very uncomfortable i understand mexican in the rain yep i got the joke thank you and then he clearly we get it thanks oh yeah because his brother's jose ah yes okay we've if you live in arizona and you've been near any any a blue collar human being you've heard these jokes they'll tell you them outside of a comedy show after great job that was a great set man i was i got a joke for you huh the best those v oh yeah yeah the best is one time this super gangstery mexican dude came up to me with like you know gang tats on his face and shit he's like that was fucking hilarious man he goes yo i got a joke for you and told me the most racist mexican joke possible like i mean like something where you'd be like jesus no matter who told it

and it was like he's like you should say that and I'm like I can't say that are you kidding me crazy he goes it's cool I say it's cool I'm like I'll tell you as long as you come with me and stand on stage and go hey everybody hold on this next joke it's cool man and then I get on and tell it and then you you stare at them like you're staring at me now and scare them into laughing that That'd be terrific. Otherwise, I can't tell that joke. Fucking insane. So anyway, he said, I'm a likable guy. That's what he says.

This is Jeremy's quote here. I'm a likable guy. I'm the guy next door. I'm just fun. I'm the guy who barbecues with you. I'm the guy who you call at 3 a.m to pull you to help pull your car out of a ditch he said if i never came back to mobile i'd still be out there i'd still be john chapman oh boy okay that's that's that's what's he arrested for well let's find out let's find

out one of the things let's start out with lisa nichols okay while this is in 2004 while hurricane ivan was heading toward mobile and fucking everything up there was a blackout and it was it was bad stuff here yvonne with a y or ivan ivan okay got it yvonne i don't know i guess ivan ivan ivan yeah whatever i don't fucking know i'm trying to figure out because it's ivan if they go back and forth yeah no it's female names yeah yvonne might be too complicated for people here i was like did i did yvonne fuck some things up i've never heard of her you throw a y in there no one's getting that right so hurricane ivan here bearing down on mobile jones at the time he's going by still going by this at this point. John or Jeremy Jones.

We'll just call him Jeremy Jones and then go from there. So Jeremy Jones calls a woman named Kim Bentley, whose place he's staying at during the hurricane. They're letting him. And the fact that they're letting him stay there is crazy. Can you hear what led up to this? But he's staying there. They took off to higher ground, basically. And he said, I'm staying put.

I'll stay in your place. I'll stay in your place. And they were like, you want to stay here and fucking have the windows blown in on you, knock yourself out. Best of luck, daddy-o. So he calls her on two-way phones they have. Remember those beeper Nextel things? Trying to ask, where's a radio and some batteries to find out what's going on.

There's a blackout. He doesn't know when the storm's going to stop. So she said that you could possibly find those in her bedroom closet. But she said, go next door and get Scooter Coleman. Go get Scooter, okay? Because he's a family. Scooter knows. Scooter Scooter, okay? Because he's a family... Scooter knows. Scooter's a trusted family ally, obviously.

Scooter Coleman is clearly an upstanding individual here. They said, get him to look in my closet because I don't want you looking around in my closet. So he said, perfect, and hangs up and goes directly into her closet, obviously. And not only looks for batteries, but looks for anything else he could find that seems interesting he goes on his own little raccoon scavenger hunt here oh really and he

finds something very interesting a 25 caliber handgun hidden under some clothing and some other shit on a shelf in a hidden obviously in a place that didn't want to be found but he found it so later that afternoon kim bentley and her family returned to their home in Turnerville here. Whatever, Chinchilla, Turnerville. And throughout the rest of that day, and we'll talk about what led up to that later, Mark Bentley, who was her husband, Scooter Coleman, their friend, and Jeremy Jones here worked on the damage caused by the storm. Yep. Okay. Now, their neighbor at that point, a 43-year-old woman named Lisa Marie Nichols, she is returning home after riding the storm out somewhere else.

Kind of everybody's coming back to the area to do this now. Now, Jeremy Jones asked about her. Like, hey, what's up with her? What's her deal to Mr bentley here mark bentley the the husband and uh this guy said that she's a single female she lives a home you know she lives in the trailer next door she's single you know he's like all right she's pretty good looking or whatever so you know that's normal for a guy to be like what's her story you know her yeah yeah that's normal um so wow so then So then he ends up later on.

Well, let's stick with this. Throughout this time here, Jones and another neighbor, this is what was going on leading up to the next morning. Okay. He stays over that night. They clean up a little bit. Then until approximately about 4.30 a.m., here Jones and another neighbor are just doing drugs all night. When I say drugs, I mean meth.

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So while she's at work, Mark Bentley, Scooter Coleman, and Jeremy Jones continue cleanup on the yard. They keep doing that. So he's been up all night mething, and now he's cleaning up a yard as well. Meth-fueled. Meth-fueled. Meth-fueled yard cleanup, which, you know what? That's one activity that would be helped by meth because there's nothing fine to it. Raking shit is just rake it.

Get it raked. I don't care. Unless you're using sharp shit. Yeah. Pickaking shit is just rake it. Get it raked. I don't care. Unless you're using sharp shit. Yeah. Pick that shit up and make a pile. You don't need to be. It's pretty good. You just need energy for that.

You don't need to have much focus of mind or sanity or anything like that. You're not going to take apart a branch to see how it works. You know what it is. There's very little to get lost in there. It's not exactly a cuckoo clock out there. You know what I'm saying? Not a lot of moving parts. You're going to come up with extra parts. Yeah. Not a lot. Oh, shit. There's three springs and cuckoo clock out there. You know what I'm saying? Not a lot of moving parts. With extra parts.

Yeah, not a lot. Oh, shit, there's three springs and I don't know where they go. That's not going to work here. So this is on a Friday. At some point that Friday, Jones here, Jeremy, requested of Kim Bentley, the woman of the house, of the trailer, the lady of the trailer, can you please purchase for me a six-pack of Bud Light? And I would enjoy that, please, with all this work going on. So she leaves and comes back with his six-pack of Bud Light.

Nice. There you go. Well, I mean, he's helping clean up after a hurricane. Sure. You want to fuel people with beer. You don't know. He's been on meth for two days. Another substance that's fine with yard work.

That's fine with yard work. That's what I mean. And that's one of those, I mean, if people are helping you move or something and they go, oh, let's get a six pack, you go get a six pack for them. That's just what you do. So he did that. She brings it back and then she leaves the house with the children as well. Okay. Okay. That same day, Joel Taff Edge, that's his name. Joel Taff Edge. Three separate words. He picked up Scooter Coleman from the Bentley trailer and went over to Edge's home to clean up his storm damage there.

Scooter Coleman stayed with Edge throughout the rest of the day and came back to the Bentley's home after it was dark outside. So when Lisa Nichols returns home from work at 5 p.m., she left for work at 5 a.m good god man leave at 5 a home at 5 p and fucking tornado damage clean up in between right yeah that's not easy and she's selling products to people that also have damage yeah i'm sure it was a busy day all day it's i'm sure it's a very busy day after a hurricane too crazy so mark bentley and jeremy jones are at the bentley trailer next door to her place at approximately 6 p.m mark bentley offers to buy hamburgers for him and jeremy like hey you want some burgers i'm hungry let's get i'll go grab burgers what goes better with a beer yeah we've been we've been cleaning shit up all day.

Why not? So, sure, why not? Let's get some burgers. Turns out the closest restaurant that's open for business, since there was the storm, that has electricity and all their shit, is a Hardee's in Citronelle, which is about a 30-minute drive. A 30-minute drive to a place named after a mosquito candle. Dude, and think about this. You want 30-minute old Hard a place named after a mosquito candle. Dude, and think about this. You want 30-minute old Hardee's on the way home? No.

I mean, that shit's going to be ice cold. I can't imagine. If that other place's fries are cold and you don't eat them, Hardee's, they're barely warm five minutes after they get out of the fryer. That's not good fresh Hardee's. Imagine what it's like a half hour from now. That's bad stuff. And when you hear about it, too, you know it wasn't made very well based on this because this guy said that it's a 30-minute there, 30-minute back, so that's an hour.

And this was the only restaurant of any kind open for business in the entire area at the time. So hammered busy. he had to wait online for over an hour for hamburgers for hardies hardies an hour oh fuck man that is just a kick a hurricane waiting an hour for hardies that is just getting kicked in the balls repeatedly, over and over. Waiting in line for a NASCAR-sponsoring cheeseburger. If they've got a NASCAR, it's a bad cheeseburger. And people are going to say they love Hardee's.

I get it. No, there's not. No, trust me. Yeah, I know. It's very popular. It's very popular because also Carl's Jr. is Hardee's. Yeah. And if Carl's Jr.'s and Hardee's jr is hardy's yeah and it's if if carl's jr's and hardy's are the same thing i'll say this carl's jr and phoenix every once in a while you

just go i want that awful carl's you just want it for some reason you know you go they still exist let's give it a try let's just get it they have look at that burger it's ridiculous let's just buy it and see if i can get my mouth around it remember when they prayed with paired with the green burrito too so oh yeah all over phoenix mexican food at carl's junior and and their commercials had dennis rodman in them for like taking bites and having shit all over them yeah so anyway they get back uh he gets back to you know full of hamburgers full of heart oh he brings them home yeah yeah, because Jones is still home. Oh, shit. So he goes, I'll pick up the burgers.

You know, I'll fly. So he didn't expect to have to go all the way, a half hour away to get them and then wait an hour and then didn't expect it to be a two-hour hamburger run, essentially. He literally could have flown to New York by the time he got back. Could have flown to a city with hamburgers.

So Jeremy Jones is left alone. Yeah. And he's got some time to kill. No one else is in the house. He takes that.25 caliber handgun he found in the closet. Remember that? Oh, boy. Yeah.

And his Bud Light as well. He's got a six-pack and his gun. And he goes on next door to Lisa Nichols' house. Want to try one lease yeah and uh basically he entered her home um not sure if he entered her home the door was open because she might have been in and out cleaning or if he uh or if you know he knocked on the door with a six pack and he's the guy next door and she opened it because there's a hurricane too he might have been telling her there's something on a roof and who knows people are friendlier around disaster times you know what i mean they tend to be they tend to be everyone kind of pulls together at that point so

whatever the case is he ended up coming inside her house and uh under threat of violence with his gun he rapes her and then he shoots her three times in the head with a.25 caliber pistol. Why? Because she's there. Oh, my God. Okay. Then, in an effort to cover this up, he went back to the Bentleys' house next door. And, you know, he can't just sit there because then what?

You know what I mean? After that violence. Yeah. He just goes next door, and he goes, I know what I'll do. I'll get some gasoline. Yeah. Then he returns back to her trailer, covering her body up in the bathroom here where she was and covers her up with gasoline all over. Yep.

Does that. Lights are on fire. Oh, my God. This is way unnecessary to do any of this just sit in your house you have you have hamburgers coming what the fuck is wrong with you already out of control and he did this not knowing when dude would come back right he doesn't know there's an hour wait at heart he has he cannot know any of that so that is bonkers that he's like well i got unless he's checking in on a cell phone or

something going how's the line now you almost there do you order yet what did they tell you to pull off and wait for them to come out and give it to you did the next hill have life 360 on it yeah what's happening here so the he lights are on fire there's so much gas everywhere it's a small bathroom with a lot of fumes from the gas that causes a momentary explosion. Sure. That's what happens here. This explosion's so loud it's heard by a neighbor because we're talking about tin trailer walls. So that'll not only echo an explosion but then leak right through the neighbor's wall.

Yeah, it'll dissipate your walls for sure. Fuck yeah. This is a woman named Ann Pardon. Pardon Ann here. your walls for sure fuck yeah this is a woman named ann pardon pardon ann here uh ms pardon she said that she heard what appeared to be an explosion between 7 and 8 p.m and then after that happened he just went back to the bentley's trailer and sat there like he didn't under didn't hear an explosion didn't know nothing was going on and watched it burn not just sat hung out it doesn't burn that's the thing it explodes and uses up most of that. And then went out.

That's what appears to happen here. So sometime after 8 p.m., Joel Edge, that guy, and Scooter Coleman, they finish their work on Edge's property. And Edge brings Coleman back to the Bentley residence. A couple minutes later, that's when Mr. Bentley pulls up with the Hardys. And he walks in just as Jeremy Jones is getting out of the shower. Okay. You know, his post- Long day.

Post-rape murder arson shower. You got to take a shower after that. It's been a big day. It's been exhausting. Yeah, big day for him. A lot of things. So, yeah, they're getting out of the shower. Oh, good burgers.

Let's eat them. Sounds good. And he just went about it? Yeah, went about it. Ate his burgers. The fries are a little cold, but they're still edible.. Oh, good, burgers. Let's eat them. Sounds good. And he just went about it? Went about it, ate his burgers. The fries are a little cold, but they're still edible. You know, he ate them. Ice cold, but biteable. But biteable.

So then they all go to bed at about 10 p.m. You know, he's been up for two days, by the way, with meth and everything else. Meth and murder and all sorts of shit. Mark Bentley, his bedroom windows open. He hears a noise and smells the odor of gasoline. Yeah. Yeah. So after investigating at this point,

he goes out and sees Jeremy Jones just outside Bentley's bedroom window where that's where Bentley keeps his gas cans. So he looks out the window and there's Jeremy down there fucking with his gas cans, like picking up his gas cans. He's like, what the hell's going on? So Bentley confronts him and says, what's up with this? And he says, and this is amazing, everyone's gone to bed, okay? Jeremy said, oh, I'm putting gas in your four-wheelers so that I can go on a late-night ride. I like to go out when it's pitch black out

into the pitch black woods and just drive when I've been up for two days cleaning up hurricane debris. I'm sure off in rural any rural setting with a post hurricane, all bets are off. The animals go wild. They start running around. I'm sure somebody rides a

four wheeler at 2am. I'll bet there is. Squirrels fly, birds burrow. Things happen running around. I'm sure somebody rides a four-wheeler at 2 a.m. I'll bet there is. Squirrels fly. Birds burrow. Things happen, man. Everything's out of whack at that point. We got to go. So Mark Bentley tells Jeremy Jones to get the fuck back in the house and go to bed, basically. Leave my four-wheelers alone.

I'm not taking my four-wheelers out. It's late. Just get in the fucking house and go to bed if you want to stay here. So he complies and goes back in there. Okay. He was getting the gas cans because that explosion caused the flame to go out probably and there's some

burning but the whole trailers didn't burn down. So he's like oh shit I lit a good fire and it didn't fucking burn this place down. So he was going back for seconds now. Jesus. So Saturday morning September 18th 2004 Lisa nichols doesn't show up for work right doesn't return any phone calls from her family later later that evening it's a saturday her two daughters she's got two daughters uh jennifer and amber um and her son-in-law todd

all drive over to check on her because nobody was answering their phone. She wouldn't answer her phone. She's not at work. They don't understand. So they get to the trailer shortly before midnight here. That's a long, a lot of time go by. They saw that her back door was ajar. They were like, that's weird. Mom doesn't do that.

So there's no electricity yet because of the hurricane. Right. So they can't flick a light on. They have flashlights creeping through this trailer with flashlights, and they go directly to her bedroom. They don't see her in there. They're like, okay, well, she's not in bed. So then they turn the flashlight over to the bathroom, and they find her naked charred body of your mother on the bathroom floor. How'd you like to find that?

No, no, thanks. That's not great. So, yeah, um, they ran away from the home,

hysterical, screaming for assistance as a normal person. What if they saw that they literally burst out of the door going, ah, somebody, oh my God, nine one one. They were freaking out.

They go over cause it's right next door to Mark Bentley's home. And, uh, Mark Bentley and scooter Coleman immediately jumped up and ran over there. And they were like, oh, God, they thought they could help her. And they ran over there because they didn't know what was going on. They were just like, oh, my God, help my mother, my mother. So they were like, oh, fuck, what's going on?

They ran over there like Heimlich maneuver. Like, what do I do? What does she need? She choking on a chicken parm. What do we have got happening here? So I don't think she's eating chicken parm but you know what i mean it it if hardy serves it she'll i don't think i don't think they got a chicken parm down there let me uh let me get the chicken parm i don't hear a lot of that going on so while this is happening i guess

jones just jeremy just kind of lingered behind. Casually. Didn't show any like, oh, God, what's happening? He was just like, oh, wow, that's weird. Like he was just real casual about it. They quickly determined that she was beyond help. She was not only dead but burned. They contact 911 and deputies from the Mobile Sheriff's Department, Mobile County Sheriff's Department, arrived shortly after here. So they Mark Bentley comes in and tells Jeremy Jones on Sunday morning that Lisa Nichols body was discovered severely burned, but not completely destroyed.

It's a lot of burning. Looked worse. Looked really bad. Charring. But, you know, the interior still intact. Pretty good here. bad charring but you know the interior still intact pretty good here so jones tells mark bentley that he said well yeah my uncle told me because my uncle was in nam so my uncle's a vietnam veteran he said my uncle told me that to completely dispose of a dead body during the war soldiers

would douse the body in gasoline and light it on fire that way it would go away um that doesn't happen but okay yeah then they said he acted strangely all day jones did um all through around the whole bentley family throughout the whole morning and then took off later on in the afternoon and never came back okay so they got to be like that was that was odd right he gave us instructions on how to disappear a body how to disappear a body he was showering disappeared himself weird so it's a very strange situation here so the autopsy of lisa nichols allowed the detectives to learn that her cause of death was three gunshot wounds because they couldn't tell at first because she was burned which is the point of the burning i feel like after they learned of jones's presence at the home next door and his really because everyone was like he was acting

weird like everybody said that that was around him they attempted to get a hold of him for questioning like let's let's talk to him here so two days later they find him and um they told him that he is under arrest at this point yeah and he said quote this is a funny thing because he's just suspicious at this point right okay he gets way more than suspicious when they arrest him and he says quote i had every intention of making you kill me they were like why we just wanted to talk to you but now we're putting the cuffs on you like for sure we wanted to literally question you and now you just said you were gonna make me looking for suicide by cop today wow that is crazy um we'll find out what he did because this is just the tip of the iceberg this was just a

regular friday night for this guy. He later on, the assistant district attorney in Mobile, calls him this. Quote, he could be a low-rent Ted Bundy. That's what he said. Otherwise, reasonably smart women somehow find him interesting. He doesn't look like a monster. That's exactly what it is low rent he i mean he was staying he's a couch couch surfing ted bundy he's a he's a trailer park couch surfing

ted bundy which is low round he's ted bundy without the law school and all that shit you know what i'm saying bargain bundy bargain yeah bargain bin bundy i think we call him Bargain Ben Bundy here. That is going to be the name of the show, I believe. So he said that. Then another lawyer said, we get the feeling that he's a psychopath. I mean, based on his behavior, if that's what he did, post all of that horrible stuff. They said his behavior afterwards is just so cold. It's cold fucking blooded. That's disconnected.

And so they said, we get the feeling he's a psychopath. He has no conscience and he's very intelligent about what he's doing. The sheriff's detective, who was Paul Birch, who investigated this case, said, quote, he enjoyed raping and killing. He just liked it. You know, when you find something you love, it's really hard to stop doing it. That's the thing. And this guy, he is a disgusting monster, and he found something he loved. There's a bunch of research done here.

Every once in a while, some of these murderers, you'll find that the Department of Psychology at Radford radford university does like these profiles on them that are pretty cool and we've done it with a bunch of our killers before there's one here for this guy as well it was researched and put together by charlene nebel and nicholas myers gotta give people credit when they do work so he's born let's talk about Jeremy a little bit here. He's born on April 12, 1973 in Miami, Oklahoma. Yeah. South Beach. South Beach, baby. Yeah. Got a damn nice four seasons there, I'm told.

I remember when the hurricanes were good back in the day there. The U, it was hopping around there. So that's where he's born. He only has one other sibling. He's the first born though of the siblings. He is raised by, from what I understand, his parents are divorced, but he grows up in a, in a pretty together family with a mother and stepfather. Okay.

So yeah, his stepfather was a builder, like a good carpenter and his mother's a housewife so they could afford that it's a middle class circumstances no trailer park no yeah wasn't beaten and put like under the floorboards or anything just a regular middle class home mom's literally home i mean a middle class 1970s kind of a environment here. So he drops out as a senior in high school at Quapaw High School in 1991. Doesn't quite graduate. So, yeah, doesn't make it. Basically, he gets on meth pretty quickly, and that really fucks everything up. That'll do it. He later on said, quote, I was messed up with dope.

People thought I was going to grow up to be president. Which, okay. fucks everything up that'll do it he later on said quote i was messed up with dope people thought i was going to grow up to be president which okay how many times have you heard ted bundy say that exact type of shit oh everyone thought i was going to be president i was going to be a politician tried for christ's sake yeah that's that's what it is and on his assessment here by the university they said he didn't have problems in school he wasn't teased in school because number one two everywhere he's called handsome and attractive and charming oh yeah he charms the fucking pants off of ladies sure he's got a silver tongue and he's a handsome guy so he changes his look by the way there's this whole thing this i'll post it with this episode on social media, but at smalltownmurder on Instagram.

It's this whole collage of pictures of him, of mug shots throughout the years and driver's licenses and shit. He looks like a different human being in most of these pictures. He can change his look and be a different person like that. It's crazy. It changes his whole identity. He's a scary man, a scary, scary man. So he's not going to get teased in school because he can talk his way out of it identity he's a scary man a scary scary man so he's not going to get teased in school because he can talk his way out of it and he's attractive so you bet not a lot to

tease him about as a child um no even on here it says physically attractive yes on his psychological evaluation he's medically attractive apparently diagnosed attractive diagnosed attractive at the university level that's great medically handsome son of a bitch no head injuries he claims he was abused as a child physically um not psychologically but physically does he pick uh a culprit does he give does he name names or he says it was general abuse of his mom and his stepdad. Okay. His father was a supervisor of the – her stepfather was a supervisor at a – for a builder. Like the supervisor of all the wood shop shit. Oh. In charge of the cuts.

In charge of the cuts. His mother, when she wasn't a housewife, she was a florist from time to time. That's pretty nice. Which seems like, again, very middle America, very nice. He says his mother and father drank a lot and everything like that, but he's kind of the only one who said that, said they drank anything more than socially or casually. So Miami, Oklahoma isn't a big place.

Oh, no? It's mainly abandoned zinc mines and lead mines. Is that right? Yeah, abandoned lead mines. That sounds really nice and pleasant, doesn't it? I mean, we're technically not supposed to be using that shit anyway. It's probably why they abandoned it. That's why they're there.

We don't need that anymore. Jesus, how much fucking lead do we need? That kills people. Shit, let's get out of here. Jesus Christ, can't even use the paint. Yeah, how many aprons do we got to make for a dentist's office? We'll just mine that and get out of here. We got to get out of here because if people take that off their house, it gets a write-off.

That's how bad this is. The government will pay you to fucking get it off your house. Not healthy. Dude, I saw a documentary where a child ate some paint chips of lead and that child died like right now. Well, there was a big theory that paint chips, paint chip eating was a big reason of a crime spike in a certain area of years. Was that kids that ate these paint chips then went fucking wild. I believe it. There's been all sorts of, but then there was lead poisoning from everything back then. Great point.

Yeah, it could be anywhere. In the plates there was lead. Like people's dinner plates. Yeah. There were certain colors that were red. Toys. Jesus. Everything was lead.

So if you survived a long time and grew up back then, it's just a miracle. It's just a miracle. Good for you. There's no medicine. It's just a miracle. You're just meant to be. Go to a trophy shop. Build one for yourself.

You deserve it. They're dead by now. Yeah, no point. so he said in high school based on the fact that it's 19 you know 89 and he's in rural oklahoma he decided to embrace and this is what he said the quote thug mentality what does that mean thug with who you're in the middle of nowhere in oklahoma well who are you thugging about yeah like what's going on here what does that mean i don't know he doesn't give a definition he explains it he said quote they had all the money the motorcycles the women motorcycle just the motorcycles i picture he pictures like a hot shit yamaha dirt bike in

his mind is like the pinnacle of success at this point um i'm seeing tupac with thug life across yes that's what i mean he's like nah man cow he's where it's at yeah he's all the money the motorcycles and the women for a while i had all that too oh he never does he never had all that he's never had a vulcan no he did do a lot of meth, though. So that's nice. He had shit grades in school, too, so he just dropped out. Okay.

His first arrest, his first law enforcement encounter, comes in January of 1990 when he's 16 years old. He is charged with assaulting a boy. Okay. Another child of some kind. A couple years younger, I think, though, is the problem. Oh, the problem what the fuck dude he's beating the shit out of some boy then the boy's mother tried to come like to his defense and pull the boy away to you know help her son oh no he hit her too he beat the shit out of her too he hit a mother he hit a kid and his mother he beat them both up.

It's one thing if the father came out. That's the Mike Tyson story. He would beat the kids up. Their fathers would come down. He beat their fathers up, too, when he was 12. He beat their mother up. What is that? When you're a kid, if anything's going on, someone's mother comes.

Everybody goes, oh, and stops. Oh, shit. It's a mom. He just said, what, bitch, pal, and fucking socked her one you want some too yeah i'll give you one too you got a mouth like your son let's go let's go that's where he gets it come here wow so that's that's his first encounter with the law first encounter is beating up a mother beating up somebody's mother along with the son yeah he that's wild like rather than be like yeah i got i got my shots in and now it's over.

He was like, oh, no, I'm going to fuck you up, too. I'm going to beat your mom up. So then he starts having a bunch of random jobs after this. It's anything construction. He does construction, pipe welder at one point for a minute later on. But that doesn't work out because he's a meth head. He just started welding his own pipes. It's just dangerous, yeah.

He just started welding weird things together. There was just a car he found outside welded into a pipe system, and they're like, this isn't right. He goes, it's cool, though, right? It looks cool, doesn't it? I think it looks cool. It's a Yugo, man. Yeah, you can put it right in there, man.

It's awesome. So random construction jobs, does a lot of meth, not really considered an alcohol abuser ever. He's just casual drinker. Well, meth is his main thing. So when he's on meth, he'll have a six pack, but he's not his first adopter of the meth. Oh, big time, big time in the 80s. I mean, yeah, he was sent to a psychologist a couple of times, but, you know, that didn't really work out. He was definitely diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and schizoaffective disorder as well.

Oh, we got that going. We got that going on too. Boil those together. He's got problems. He said, everybody said he's a real outgoing, real good-talking son of a bitch, real silver-tongue bastard. And they said he said himself that he bragged that he could, quote, talk the panties off a nun.

Oh, boy. All class right there. That shows a lot of class right there. Let's talk the panties off. Wait till you hear some other shit here. He said he considered himself born lucky. That's all it was. He goes, I got the looks.

I got the game. He goes, I was born lucky, man. He tells everybody that. Just a lucky son of a got the looks i got the game he goes that's just born lucky man that's he tells everybody that just a lucky son you got nothing nope but lucky son bitch that's how he looks at it uh huge meth habit really increases his weird behavior which kind of like if if he didn't have a big meth habit he would have been much more successful either at a job or at murdering sure the meth habit like if you put meth into ted bundy he would have fucked up way way sooner you know what i mean way more mistakes yeah look at how dommer with the booze that was clearly not a helpful thing for him in his chosen profession

there so may 11th 1992 comes around all right there's a 20 year old woman here named Jennifer Judd. Double D. Yeah. Her name, not her tits. Jennifer Judd. Double D. Like the Judds. Like Winona or whatever.

There's a bunch of them. So this is in Baxter Springs, Kansas. Okay. She has been just been married for a few days. Just got married. She's a new brand. Okay. She's in her apartment.

And yeah, they said later on they will say they have no suspects in the stabbing death of a woman found dead on her kitchen floor by her husband of nine days. Nine days. He's dead too? No, no, no. He came home and found her dead on the kitchen floor. Oh my God. She's dead of multiple stab wounds to the chest. found dead by her husband when he got home from work she was supposed to have taken lunch to her husband between 10 30 and 11 a.m never showed up um so he came home at

2 30 like you know where's my fucking lunch i'm sure and, you have an excuse. Never mind. Boy, am I red-faced. Oh, boy. Jesus. I guess I'm not that hungry. Never mind. I am a dick. So the Baxter Springs police chief, Gary Allen, said that he had gone to work at about 6.30 a.m. The lunch was found in the kitchen made.

Oh, no. So they know she was alive for a certain amount of time. They had been married on May 2nd and living there. And later on, he'll confess to this crime. Really? We'll find out. We're going to go through these. These are based on his confessions that match up with facts.

And then we'll talk about ones that they think he made up later on. But there's ones that match with facts that they have pretty sure. That he gave the facts of and they're right there. These are clear. Ones that he passed polygraphs on, too. These are cleared cases. So, yeah, that is horrible. So now he's got a 20-year-old woman in his wake.

And that is 1992. He is 19 fucking years old. What the fuck? He just turned 19. And in her house, stabbed her and left like that is, you don't do that for number one. That's balls. No, that's ballsy right there. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one

and watching along with part two as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. Huge balls. So there's no suspects in that. That's 1992.

They will have no suspects for 20 years on this case. Really? This is a cold case. Yeah, it's just a complete phantom. You know, a phantom came in, stabbed her, and left. He has no connection to her. They weren't friends or a man married for nine days lived 20 fucking years without an answer of who killed his wife yep wow absolutely fucking disturbing so a couple years go by where

from what we know we don't know what he was doing but he doesn't get arrested or anything here. 1995. On January 10th, 1995, he's arrested for rape for the first time. Really? Yeah, his first rape pinch here. He comes in. So a year later, on January of 1996, he's arrested for another rape charge.

He raped? Separate one. Got out a year later. A year later, gets caught again. Also had meth on him, too. So it was rape and possession of meth there. Then, later on that month in 1996, he batters another woman. He's accused of beating another woman up.

She got away from him before he was able to do anything. Another thing, too, we'll find out, he's not very tough. woman up she got away from him before he was able to do anything another thing too we'll find out he's not very tough no he's not very tough that's the other thing like physically he's not a real imposing guy he uses his has to bring a weapon he brings a weapon and he uses his sweet talk to get you in a charm you into a position of uh you know relaxing and then he then he's going gonna attack you so um he said he always felt the law just had an inform he told people what yep he got it in form in 1996 with the two rape charges he had going on um one by the way of those rapes he allegedly fired the gun to threaten a woman he fired it next to her head to say, I will shoot you with the next one. I'm dead serious.

I'm dead fucking serious. Those charges were reduced. How? Why? And he was given probation. What the fuck did he have on somebody? Probation.

They were terrified of him. That's what he had. It was just they were scared. That's all it was. They weren't... Yeah. He was charged with raping two girlfriends at one point. Those charges were reduced when the victim said they were afraid to testify.

So he gets a suspended sentence and five years of probation for two rapes. Hell, two violent, horrible, threatening life with a fucking gun rapes. That's insane. Because these sweet girls don't want to testify. Because they're terrified of them. Cops, regardless of whether or not they're scared, they can't fucking testify. That's what it is. He also had to attend sex offender classes, which he didn't like going to, so he stopped going to them.

They said, why did you stop going to him? He told his mother, quote, I don't want to listen to those perverts talk. Sir. It's gross to hear him recount. Oh, my God. I don't want to hear those perverts talk. That's amazing. You are a rapist.

I don't want to hear. Those guys are really sick. I mean. You fired a weapon next to. You beat a boy's mother you should hear some really bad shit yeah but there's a guy in there talking about being in a feet and shit i don't know man it's weird i just i can't sit in the bushes and wax it i mean that's just weird i mean that's just a creep man right you ain't even getting touched i don't get it. So 1996, same year that he is not put in fucking prison for two rapes.

Okay. There is a homicide of two of a couple here found shot to death in Delaware County, Oklahoma. This is Daniel Oakley, who is 38 years old, and Doris Harris, who is 41 years old. They are both found murdered. He did those, and he confesses to those and passes a polygraph saying he did those. Weird thing about him is he's like, okay, he's got the serial killer aspect of he's looking for women to rape and kill and dispose of. he's looking for women to rape and kill and dispose of. Sure.

At the same time, some of his killings are like for just not for gratification. No, they're to fill needs. Like one of these, they believe this was a revenge killing for an unpaid debt. I believe he went to the house and just killed everybody cause they owed him money, which is you.

That's rare in a serial killer that you see that. They focus on the people they want to kill. They don't kill like outside of that usually. John Wayne Gacy wasn't killing somebody who owed him money for construction tools or some shit. Right. Not unless he had a daughter in the house. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So that's what it was. One of the district attorney later on would say quote he hated people who owed him money what he's a real real fucking interesting guy there stickler for paying your bills no shit so um yeah yeah that's crazy so september 11th 1999 uh justin hutchins uh hutchins Justin Hutchins, Hutchins here, is a guy in Pitcher, Oklahoma, who was killed by an overdose of drugs. OK. Jones later confesses that he specifically gave him a spike dose on purpose to kill him. Wow. So that's him, too.

Yeah. And that's easy. That one's Jesus. You could do that all the time. Anytime you want. That's the whole plot of one of the seasons of The Wire. Avon getting the hot shots. It's the whole fucking plot there.

Just getting rid of anybody that you want to. They go, oh, OD, he got some shit that was too fucking good. OD, that's it. They might look for where you got it from. If they can't find it, they give up. If you got it on the street or something, who knows? There's like a text message where you're like, yeah, give me my stuff from your friend, that's different. That's how they catch people.

But if you bought it off the street, who the fuck knows where you got it from? That's difficult. That's tough. So, yeah, he confessed to that. That's September 1999. December 30th, 1999. Okay, Welch, Oklahoma. This is insane. There is ach, Oklahoma. He,

this is insane. There is a family, uh, Danny and Kathy Freeman. He's 40. She's 38. They're found shot to death in their home in Welch, Oklahoma.

That's, that's not even the worst part of this. Okay. The worst part is their daughter, Ashley, who is 16 and her friend, Laura Bible, who is also 16, are missing from the scene. Oh, no. So police show up.

They see that the parents are dead and two 16-year-old girls are missing. Yeah. Yes. So he apparently, oh, then he also set their trailer on fire as well. May as well. Yeah. So set their trailer on fire as well. May as well.

Yeah. So for a long time, the girls are missing as well here. And they go in and they find a burned trailer with two dead people who were shot in there. A married couple. Sands two 16-year-olds. Sands two 16-year-olds. They think that this one was to settle a drug debt as well. That is crazy. But he also, he mixes his work in his play put

it that way because in this he not only did that let's talk about it here he set fire to the mobile home the by the way the laura bible was spending the night over here to celebrate her 16th birthday wow yeah that's nice um he what he did was he took the girls with him so he killed the parents for a drug debt but then was like oh i got some i can rape and kill too i also have that this is just a twofer for me so he took yeah four for well yeah well i mean a killing and some raping yeah yeah he then takes the 16 year olds rapes and shoots them and uh dumps them down a mine shaft in kansas that's what he told the cops and passed a polygraph on it he didn't remember exactly where the mine shafts were and the cops never are able to find them so but you

gotta believe him because he passed a polygraph and yeah he said he took him and he said he only raped one of the girls he said i killed i shot the couple i raped one of the girls shot them both dumped their bodies down the mine shaft good lord and uh the police said this was the this was the time when they figured out when they figured that he finally figured out that you don't leave witnesses now this is and he was like oh if you're gonna rape or do shit you better kill everybody because otherwise they're gonna to fucking know. Yeah. So he then he then kind of takes off after that. He's still on probation, so he can't take off.

But he does. He's a fugitive. And on October 19th, 2000, he is issued probation revocation, revocation, arrest warrant comes out. He's officially a fugitive. OK, so. He is wanted on his back for his rape charges in Oklahoma. He's 27 years old in December of 2000. Yeah. Now they want him, obviously.

He says at this point, though, he took off not just to get away from the law. I mean, obviously, he didn't want to go to prison for rapes and all that there's there's a lot of charges that are racking up but he said he just wanted to he wanted to start over he was just tired of what he was doing he wanted a clean slate he said quote i was trying to change i wanted a new life really fucked this one up yeah i fucked this one all the shit i mean i jesus it's got meth all over it and blood and bullet holes bodies shit holy shit he said quote it's easier to look in the rear view mirror than to face your problems that's what he said later on okay easier just to go that

was weird and keep going rather than to be like i gotta i'm a fucked up person i'm raping and killing teenagers this is an issue that i shouldn't be doing what a terrible thing to say though because yeah if you don't hey you can't you can't change unless you face it well you know who does that psychopaths yeah yeah they just they can go whoop that's behind me i don't know that's in the past the past is the past man won't do that again that is interesting so. So as he flees Oklahoma from the law, he has $3,000 on him that he got from selling his truck and, you know, a couple of other things. Sold everything he could that could get cash to get the fuck out of here. Three Gs.

Yep. So he meets a woman while he's in flight. Okay. Yeah. He meets a woman while he's in flight. Okay. Yeah. Meets a woman who is the mother of a Missouri inmate in Joplin, Missouri.

Okay. Yeah. Well, he meets the woman in Joplin. He is her son's an inmate. He meets a woman in a bar who says, my son, my son's an inmate in Missouri. My son's an inmate in Missouri. He told her that, you know, he's having problems with the cops and all this type of shit and gives her this big sob story that he's very good at giving of how, you know, these women, they set me up because they didn't like me. One wanted me to, like, marry her and I didn't want to marry her. So her and her friend said this bullshit and blah, blah, blah.

Sure. So she was like, oh, you poor man. So you poor man, you – why don't you go ahead and use my son's identity? He's in prison. He ain't using it. That's literally what she said. He's busy at the moment. Yeah.

He ain't coming out. He don't need it. He don't need it. So why don't you go and rape and pillage under my son's name instead? That's nice. Holy. So he does. He says that would be great so she gives him the son's social security number vital info everything like that uh-huh so he then takes a 20-hour bus ride to

tuscaloosa alabama from joplin and on the 20-hour bus ride he studies his birth date and social security number the whole time just changed into a different guy yep he said he wanted to be able to spout him off without any hesitation right now like you would your social security number and your birthday and so that's who he became john paul chapman he is now wow that's his name new social security number everything like that um he said that becoming john chapman without fucking up at all was easy was it fucking easy he said no problem never even fucking thought about it because rearview mirror yeah now i'm john chapman because he's a goddamn chameleon a lizard person who's dangerous he can shed his skin like

a fucking snake and leave it behind and slither away and never even think. You think a snake thinks about their old skin? No. That's how much he's thinking about his past things. I'm yellow under all this green. I'm a different guy. Look at me. Yeah, I mean, it's weird, too. He'll go blonde sometimes, a little bit of facial hair.

Sometimes it's just a little haircut. His whole face looks different. It's really weird. When I post that picture, you're going to really be tripped out by it. So he says it's easy going heads to alabama okay here he comes here we go um different social security number and all this type of shit he's still very charming he can do all of that he stays with some family friends in tuscaloosa but a bounty hunter tracked him down oh yeah so he took off uh he fled south uh where he went to mobile where that's where he met mark bentley the guy who drove to

hardy's for two hours that's mark bentley we'll find out how the fuck did that it wasn't dog because dog's terrible if no. Who the fuck did it? There's a million bounty hunters. I mean, that's. Oh, God, yeah. I worked for a process server. They're that good? When I was a process server, there was like eight of them that worked for us.

They were everybody. That good, though? That's fucking impressive. You go, who does he hang out with? Yeah, but a guy that bought an identity from a random ass person, that's pretty impressive. But they were, he was looking for him, so he could have just had addresses of his friends. Okay. And went to his friend's address.

That's his friend. Look him up on the internet and go to his house. You know what I mean? Who knows how many houses he went to where he wasn't there first. Great point. So who knows? But still, good job. He did find him.

Very impressive. So he meets Mark Bentley, who's a home builder. Obviously. Well, he doesn't have, but he lives in a trailer, which is funny. i don't know why a home builder would live in a fucking trailer listen man uh chefs eat like shit here's a home i didn't build yeah this is no they don't usually that's the other thing really no i mean when they get home they make shitty food they make but it's not shit food it's good food just easy stuff they don't put truffle oil on things they make mechanics drive pieces of garbage yeah they make steak and potatoes because it's easy there's a baked potato and yeah that sort of shit but yeah they you know they'll eat

i think dentists and doctors are the only ones that really go hard on their profession they're pretty healthy i feel like a home builder should have a home i just feel like if you're gonna build homes throw yourself one of those while you're at it that i go if i go to get an estimate talk about my new home build yeah and i go to and he goes no no come over in the address and it's a fucking it's made of metal and i know he didn't build it i'm gonna go i can't even see your craftsmanship here. What's one more, man? Just build one more kitchen, bud. Come on. Throw it in there. So he said that he wanted a job, Jones does here, and Bentley said he doesn't need any help right now.

And Jones said, I'll prove myself to you. I'll work for a day for free. I'll just work for a day for free and show you how hard I work. You don't have to pay me a fucking dime. Maybe you'll want to fire someone to hire me like i'm that good so the guy worked his ass off impressed bentley and bentley not only hired him but also let him stay at his trailer with his family how hard do you gotta work that the boss is like stay in my house yeah i understand that's i mean it's he's so good at scamming people and telling them the story they want to hear for who he is.

It's fucking wild. That's crazy he's able to find it right like that. And Bentley, he's like a rough guy. He's not a little softy guy. He's a rough guy. He's got a big, strong personality. He's a church elder. You know what I mean?

People respect him around town here. And they said that Bentley was saying you cannot do drugs at all i won't put up with you to put doing drugs in my house or taking them into my house he said quote i'll send your ass back to your i'll send your ass in a box back to your mama oh he's one of those. Your mama. Yeah. If you bring drugs in my house. For that. For that. I'll kill you. I'll put you in a fucking box. He's thinking about it going, well, I'm going to rape your whole family and kill them maybe. So we might be even on that.

We'll see who does what. So Jeremy dates several women in Mobile because he's got the gift of gab. He would go out. because he's got the gift of gab he would go out and they said too he wouldn't be like he wouldn't look for women who were just like oh they're of my they're in my league you know they're in my social strata that sort of thing no no he went out he'd go up to anybody somebody go into a bar and see some like lawyer woman and just be like how's it going there sweetie he didn't give a fuck he was real didn't care um he had one that was in a doctorate program at school that he was going out with. One was a registered nurse.

So they're like professional people. And he's Mr. Meth wanted by the cops, false identity, living in the back of someone else's trailer. Yeah. So he said that the detective later on said some part of dating these girls was a feeble attempt to be normal. Because he wasn't killing and raping these girls he was trying to have like a regular relationship with them this is for real which is what ted bundy did too he was trying to be normal at some point yeah you know but there's also a point you can't those girls are those girls are very uh they're they're certainly looked for you can't make that disappear and that's what i mean he's looking for

and that's because ted Bundy had a girlfriend. He didn't kill her. He was trying to be normal at that point and show himself. And pushing yourself with a girl that's like legitimate, it's like that's a solid attempt at – because you can't – It's a better mask too. Yeah. You look much more upstanding if you're next to this one over here. Doctor program shit.

Yeah. They said that Kim, Bentley's wife, said that Jeremy was respectful and complimented her cooking all the time. Yeah. He knows where to turn that tap on. Yep. She said, quote, when he saw someone sad, he wanted to cheer them up. They said that his emotions were always at the right at the surface she said he giggled a lot and he'd cry just as easy as a woman that's what kim said well

take it easy kim yeah just as easy as a woman he'll cry easier yeah well watch a reality show yeah i guess that's a good point you know what are we gonna pretend women don't cry more than fucking men no i'm not gonna pretend women don't cry more than men no men will take it inward and then go blow their fucking brains out i'm not saying we're better or stronger i'm just saying that a woman yeah is quicker to cry not a bad thing not fucking taking shots at it i'm just saying reality is reality yeah true yeah fuck all of that you know what i'm talking about and you know I'm right. It's a fascinating choice of words, though.

Yeah. He cries just as easy as a woman. You know that's how she said it, too. Yeah. As a woman. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that's better.

An H. Yeah. She thought that he got the feeling that he was yearning for a sense of family, is what she said. It's like he seemed to really want to attach himself and be part of the family he talked all about his little brother all the time uh he said he was excited about his mother coming to visit him at one point she said he was in la la land i don't know what that means just and whatever head in the clouds yeah yeah now uh her his mother jean was so happy that she that he had found the Bentleys because he's she was been worried about him. And now he's like attached himself to some upstanding people. Right. Was a rapist. Now he's hanging with the elder.

This is better. Yeah. She said, I thank God my son got in with good people, which I mean, yeah, I would think so. I thank God he got in with good people. In her mind, this friendship showed that her son is a good guy. She said, quote, Kim and Mark Bentley love my son. He wanted him to marry his cousin. He wanted Jones to marry his cousin, apparently. Kim Bentley's teenage stepdaughter here called Jones Ken, as in Barbie's boyfriend boyfriend ken because he was a handsome ken doll type okay yeah okay kim said we were a family he wanted to fit in with all of it and he did he fit in with everyone he met dangerous yeah very they said that uh jones quote had been adamant

later on by the way he'll say that he was fucking kim bentley so he was banging dude's wife it's what he says later on but she denies it um bentley says that he's been adamantly adamant that me and him had a relationship which she denies he says she says quote every woman he came in contact with he believed they wanted him in his mind it wasn't rape if they wanted him oh so in his mind he was like no no she just wanted me she was just too shy she's just too shy to take it you know what i mean wow so i just i did it for that's his fucking philosophy he's a creep he's a scary psychopath person that's i can't imagine yeah uh kim later on said she felt violated now that she after she knew what he was all about. She said, I'll never think the same about anybody.

He seemed like he believed he was somebody else. Maybe he wanted a new life, but he couldn't get away from who he really was. No, he's a fucking psychopath who put masks on to fool people to get away with murder. That's what he does. Get what he wanted. Yeah. Get what he wants. He's a terrible person.

So eventually he falls out with murder. That's what he does. To get what he wants. To get what he wants. He's a terrible person. So eventually, he falls out with them, mainly over meth, because they said he was strung out on meth all the time. He moved into a motel. By the way, they'll take him back later. That's how he killed the next-door neighbor, remember? Right. Yeah, he leaves now.

He goes to a motel where he meets a guy named Craig Baxter, and he's working temporarily in Mobile and he's talking to him. And Jones here, Jeremy approaches this Craig Baxter at the motel and says he likes his T-shirt, strikes up a conversation with him just like that. He said he'd keep a conversation going. Whatever it takes is what Baxter said. When Baxter returned home, he left Jones a note. If you're ever in Georgia, give me a call and left him his number. Because they had such a great conversation.

What a good guy. I like Winger, too. Yeah, dude, that is wild. He's that good at that shit. Jones calls him two months later in may of 2002 and uh that is because jeremy had been had gotten the shit beaten out of him somewhere oh and he needed cash i'm beat up and i need cash he said yeah so baxter wired him 50 okay okay the day, without any warning, without any heads up, nothing, he just shows up on Baxter's doorstep here with fresh stitches So I guess he could stay in the basement. Problem is, Baxter's wife, Jan, doesn't like this guy at all.

She gets it. She already knows. She got bad vibes, she said, from him. Some people have a sixth sense for predators, and some people don't. And that's what it is. She said, quote, he kept weird hours. He'd be gone a lot at night. One time, they were all watching, remember what year this is, 2002, they were all

watching the Osbournes on TV. Which I guess we should explain to people. We have a lot of younger listeners. It was a great show. Ozzy Osbourne, the Black Sabbath guy, you know, he walks around and does that. That whole family had a reality show in the early 2000s

when their kids were teenagers and they would follow them around. And Ozzy would go, hey, Shannon! And people would laugh and somehow it's the biggest show on TV. It was pretty funny. It was something. It was scripted. I don't know. Yeah, of course.

It was annoying. They all are. Anyway, they're watching the Osbournes on TV. And she said that he, Jeremy, was going on and on and on about Ozzy's daughter. He loves her, huh? Loves her, yeah. He would be saying, this is just in the living room in front of this guy's wife, which this is weird. An elder?

Oh, that guy's wife, yeah. Yeah, saying, quote, ooh, what I could do with that. Good lord. Saying shit like that. She was like 14 at the time or something, too. I think she, is she older than Jack? Or is she younger? It doesn't, they were both teenagers at the time, though.

I think she's younger, because he was 16. I was going to say, yeah. Either way, they were both not legal and not in a, you don't go, ooh, what I could do with that in front of your friend's wife about a teenage girl. That's weird. Yeah. For a 30-year-old man. That's just fucking weird.

And it was kelly trying to she was an awkward teenager yeah yeah she wasn't even good at it she hated it she wasn't like all no she was she was like oh man she was yeah she was like a kind of an emo an emo angry teenager yeah so she recalled him saying that and she said the wife quote i remember feeling uneasy about that yeah you think i would so finally they kick him out they said he was using meth and not paying rent so that'll do it strike one strike two so he just showed up at a neighbor's house just down the street yeah john mcintosh is the neighbor and john mcintosh just shows up at his front door, sobbing his eyes out. Like a girl. Like a girl.

Yeah, like a woman. And also, that's a way of, I'm weak. I'm not a threat. I'm clearly at the end of my rope. I need help. I'm not going to hurt you. I actually need help, which is another mask. You know what I mean?

If he would have probably been an amazing actor. If he can cry like that if you can cry on command and be a different person without anybody noticing and look different i mean this guy could have been fucking a great guy he could have been like paul giamatti like a character actor that had a bunch of you know what i mean he would have been great at it fuck i love that so he um the neighbor john mackintosh said he was very weak. Things really upset him. Yeah. The opposite of reality of what he is.

He's a lunatic. Yep. So McIntosh and his wife, Carrie, were in the process of splitting up. Yeah. So he let Jeremy stay. He's like, well, I mean, she's leaving anyway, so you can fucking stay, I guess. Sip on the other side of my bed. He gets him a job as well.

Really? At the Young Refinery in Douglasville, where McIntosh was the manager. day i guess on the other side of my bed he gets him a job as well really at the young refinery in douglasville where macintosh was the manager so if they had an opening he just hired him for it how's that and he said john paul chapman passed a background check and was trained as a welder first of all the guy's identity he took is in fucking prison in miss. How is that not on the registry of whatever the fuck you just searched? That's what I mean. So even if it's not this guy with his rape convictions,

you'd think it would come up with, oh, you're already in prison. Did we just take the number out of circulation or some shit? What is happening here? How do we not flag that as this guy's being watched every waking moment? It gets worse because the FBI is not any better at it. We'll find out later when it comes to technology,

at least 20 years ago. So fingerprints anyway. So yeah, that's the past. He's being trained as a welder. Now, Carrie McIntosh is the McIntosh wife here. Okay. And she says they ended up getting back together, the McIntoshes.

Oh. Yeah, that's nice. OK. And she says they ended up getting getting back together. The Macintoshes. Oh, yeah. That's nice. So she says that she believed that Jones had it in for women. That's the way she put it. Jeremy. She said that he used to egg. He would egg the husband on while they were fighting. What a fucking dick. He'd be like, now she's saying this this fucking bitch right tell her she's a twat yeah ask her ask her why she's talking to jeremy down there at the piggly wiggly ask her that i've seen it shit like that so wow uh yeah she said quote he'd say derogatory things about women

about putting them in their place and about smacking them down. Like, you need to put her in her place right now. One of his favorite jokes, Josh McIntosh, the husband, said. This isn't even the wife, this is the husband. This is one of his favorite jokes. He'd say it all the time. He's a welder, all right. Quote, what do you tell a woman with two black eyes? Yeah, nothing.

You already told her twice. Nothing. You done told the bitch twice. Oh, my God. That's how he would say it. Why did he make it so much worse? Done told the bitch twice makes it way worse. Sure in the fuck.

My God. Yeah. So, yeah. You done told the bitch twice is his punchline there. My God. Very talented man, obviously. Jesus. Rewrote it, though. Should we give him credit for the rewrite?

Oh, he wrote it. Yeah, yeah. He put his own twist on it. He's like Whitney Houston singing the National Anthem. She definitely put a little extra. Made it his own. Dragged out some syllables and made it his own. Really did.

Wow, that is disturbing that he's saying. That this guy would feel the confidence to say shit like that knowing what he what he is you think he would be like tell the opposite you should be nice to women right i think he'd be saying shit like that the shit he's done it's weird and then he says stuff like that so the wife felt frustrated because people would always stand up for him for for jeremy no matter what like she didn't like him and they would be like no he's a good guy okay he just charmed everybody she said quote his co-workers at young refinery used to rag me for dogging john they even threw him a birthday

barbecue yeah they said they just thought he was a man's man, kind of good guy that they all got along with. They burned meat in his honor. Yeah, they loved him. Oh, my God. McIntosh, though, the husband who has spent more time with him, he saw some of the cracks. He's going to see some cracks. Yeah. He said that, quote, he'd go pick up a couple drunk girls and go to a hotel. That's what he said that Jones used to do. He also said that Jones told him that Jones would

often pick up prostitutes on Fulton Industrial Boulevard and take them places too. McIntosh said the monster came out when he was on meth. Yep. And he said the same thing about meth. Jones, he'll later

on say, Jeremy will say, quote, it's a sexual drug, an ecstasy you're on top of the world it multiplies everything so it's a real sexy drug wow is it i never usually that's on meth and people i guess they get messed up and fuck yeah that's sure because you can't come but it's just like coke but it's like you like on top of the world except it lasts a long time but what you look like yeah that's that that meth monster that ain't sexy at all that is i guess if you're both like that yeah yeah you're fine if you can't see the forest through the trees he's he sounds like the type of guy though like when they talk about doctors will talk about certain drugs when people really get hooked on drug shit, one thing that will get them.

Or certain drugs just hit your brain right. And you go like, oh, wow. Like you'll hear angels singing when you first get it because you're like, that's it. I found it. It's meth for this guy. Yeah, but – He was singing like, at last. Yeah.

All that shit when it when harps are playing. He loved it. Crown and thorns and hallelujah. So the Macintoshes are a bit uncomfortable with him, yet they allow him to just hang out with their 12-year-old son, Matt. What? Because this is the influence you want

on your 12-year-old son, a meth-addicted fucking lunatic who talks shit about the kid's mother in front of her and picks up prostitutes yeah and does math and drunk checks to hotels and i want meth people around my 12 year olds generally people think meth is sexy yeah well they would apparently play video games together yeah and uh they would talk about hunting and they you know swim in the back pool and play fucking marco polo and whatever the hell else um on halloween 2002 jeremy painted up matt's face just like ace freely from chris uh from uh from kiss i'm sorry i was looking at the

other thing from chris and then uh matt's friend he painted up like gene simmons so so you got two ace and gene yeah there you go going out together like too bad you don't have more friends kids i And Matt's friend, he painted up like Gene Simmons. So you got two of them. Jason and Gene, yeah. There you go, going out together. Like, too bad you don't have more friends, kids. I could really get this. Two more. Two more, we could set this shit off. You could sleep all day.

Yeah. Who wants to be Peter Criss when I was getting that? There you go. Halloween 2002, he does the face painting, does all that, sends the kids out. Then Jones heads over to Gibson's Bar. G-I-P, Gip, Gibson's. Yeah. A popular tavern in Douglasville, apparently.

Sure. It's at this night where a woman named Tina Mayberry, who's 28 years old, she was dressed in a Betty Boop costume. It was a costume party. That's what they have at the bar. That's what they have at the bar. That's what they do at the bar, yeah. She walks out of the bar, going, see you later, going out to her car. A minute later, she staggers back into the bar with knife wounds all in her midsection, bleeding profusely all over the place, collapses, and then dies at the hospital.

Wow. In her Betty Boopop costume that's a terrible way to go that's an awful indignant way to go i would say there's no dignity in dying on a on a bar floor dressed like betty boop that's just saying especially when you did nothing to cause it you just went to a party a minute ago you were fine it sucks yeah this poor lady so she dies two hours later turns out that was that was him out there um doing that and we'll find out he'll get into we'll get into some details about it later but he doesn't rape or rob her and there's a reason for it really yeah tina mayberry's tough and we'll talk about that really oh she whooped his fucking ass. It's amazing. Yeah. She kicked the shit out of him.

Yep. That's exactly what happened. So early 2003, he brings home a woman from the bar to McIntosh's house, which- With a 12-year-old boy in the house. With a 12-year-old there, yeah. McIntosh said the woman left quickly, just took off. And at about 5 a.m the police called the house which is not normal um yeah mackintosh said quote she said she tried she said he tried to strangle and rape her

yeah she left the house and right to the police department so he now uh mackintosh and jones go down to the police station turns out the woman's story wasn't completely consistent, so they were suspicious of her, and McIntosh said, quote, I vouched for him, and we didn't hear anything ever again after that. Oh, my God. He said, no, no, no, she's crazy.

No, he's a good guy. He's real steady. I work with him and everything like that. He's a great guy. He came to my house. I didn't hear any struggle or anything. This is nuts. How much regret does Mcintosh live with today?

Can you imagine? No. Yeah. Macintosh said that he could tell that Jones here had some problems, obviously. They said he's addicted to meth, and sex seems to be a close second right behind it. And the two together. Fuck, it's so sexy around here. It'll just make you never want to

stop thrusting your cock at things if you're just yeah addicted to both those things um he attended church a few times with a co-worker okay and he told mackintosh quote or mackintosh said quote he kept saying he wanted to a good woman who would cook and clean for him and would do what he would tell her to do you You want a maid. That's called a slave, man. That's called a maid. You pay for those people, and they're happy to come do it and leave. Fucking them is another issue.

Yeah, that's generally extra or not at all. Yeah, either extra or illegal, one of the two. But certainly that's what you're looking for for a wife. It's not really, I think, the right thing. No, that's not a thing. Cleaning, cooking, well, you just want a maid. That looking for for a wife. It's not really, I think, the right thing. No, that's not a thing. Cleaning, cooking, well, you just want a maid. That's easier than a wife. Sure.

Even if you want to be a fucking pig about it, you'd go, Jesus, man, a wife will be, a maid will just come and leave, man. What are you talking about? Wow. So McIntosh said, I told him he wouldn't find that woman in bars. No, that's not there. You're not going to find that nice woman. No.

In a bar. Now, McIntosh later on said, I let this monster into my house. That's what he said. Later on, when Jones confesses to all this shit, he said, McIntosh said he believed these confessions are a way to regain a glint of the power and sexual satisfaction he once had he's got to tell somebody about it to relive it again yeah he gets to and also the shocking them he wants to do yeah watch mind hunter they like you know what i'm saying they get off on that you're damn right i did that damn straight i did they up um mackintosh said i think he really enjoys telling it to the police they tell me they can see it in his eyes that he's reliving it.

Yikes. That's why he says it details and fucking enough to pass polygraphs. May 1st, 2003. Okay. Vicki Freeman. He meets her at Gibson's bar again. We're back at Gibson's. He told her this one. He didn't drag behind a fucking alley and bash her over the head and rape her.

He wanted to hook up with her. He comes on to her. And he tells her that he'd been admiring her from across the room. And she's just a beautiful lady. And just want to maybe take you out on a date. That's all. He didn't approach her like you want to blow me in the car. He said, you know, just a nice gentleman wondering if I could take you out on a proper date.

Let's go get some strawberry milkshakes, me and you. Nope. They do a very basic thing here. They go to Olive Garden and a movie. Oh, yes. Oh, boy. Endless pasta dishes tonight, baby. You know what, sweetheart?

2,003. You get as many as you want. I don't even care. So they go there. She said, quote, he's very gentle, kind, and very loving. I mean, he always put me first, always thought of me. Little cards, and I love you here. I love yous here and there.

He's a real sweetheart, man. She said the first time she saw him at Gibson's restaurant and lounge in Douglasville, she said she noticed his good looks as soon as she and her friend walked in. She said, my eyes went right to him because he's good looking. She said after they sat down, he approached their table and told them that they were both just beautiful ladies. So he even slickly included the friend too yeah both of you were beautiful yeah but i only want to fuck this one but i want you to be on board with this it's cool that you're on board yeah yeah you can't ignore the friend that's a bad

that's bad gamesmanship i need you to tell her go with him later yeah yep that's yeah it's all right i'll i'll call me later and tell me how it went so she said that yeah you know he he said that he was they were beautiful and that he was just going to admire them from afar which sounds creepy you ladies are beautiful i'm just gonna sit over there and look at you i'm gonna go outside and look through the window yeah that's even creepier you just see him like with his arm like squeaky squeak squeak around like a little fucking patch with his eye. Making a little window. Yeah, making it for himself. Yeah, so, wow.

The woman here, Vicki, said, quote, I was just lost in him. I don't even remember the conversation after that. She loves him. Lost in him. And pretty soon they began living in a mobile home together. Really? Where they paid in 2003 $125 a month. I believe it.

That is a terrible trailer, even in 2003. That's a terrible, terrible. Because I lived in an awful apartment, a terrible one, in 97 that costs $400 a month. And it was terrible. Yeah, in 2003 I lived in an apartment that was $700. It was a piece of shit, too. Yeah, 2003, yeah, piece of shit. I mean, yeah, that was the normal low price in Phoenix.

March of 2003 is when they move in together. They live in Villarica, Georgia, or Villarica, Georgia. I don't know. So they move into this trailer, and immediately, Jones starts introducing himself to all the neighbors. He is the mayor of the neighborhood. This guy sounds like what you would do if you moved into a neighborhood. Hey, everybody.

I'll be here. You would, because you like talking to people. So you'd be talking to everybody. I've made it. You'd get this guy's number. Oh, yeah. I'm going to call him later. We're going to go over here.

I'll call James when you guys want a barbecue with me. I'll make him come over. I'll make him come and be uncomfortable with you people. Who the fuck are these people? I don't know. He likes his burger. Well done, James. Get after it.

So I always go like, you don't have anything in common with these people, and you don't like them. So why are you trying to get them to like you? And you're like, I don't know. Why do you do that? Why do they they need to why do you need to be like if i let them bother me they'll leave me alone you think i don't know i see you start conversations with people that you don't even want to talk to and then i see you catch yourself like why'd i say that why'd i do that why'd i do that yeah it's like oh no but it's like a habit wow it's like i don't know i think i've seen it in movies where like the neighbor just you have to say hi so when i get out of my car i'll see my neighbor be like hey and then i run through

the rolodex of memory of what they've been doing i'll be hey how about that thing you did how was it and now i've got a half hour oh man i will. I will give you the Dennis Reynolds look away wave with my keys in my hand. That's what you're getting. I don't know you. Living close to you isn't enough in common yet. Don't know you. If you have like a band shirt on that I like, then that's a different story. We'll talk about it, maybe, whatever.

I saw them out there. They had their motorhome hooked up to their trailer. Where'd you guys go the other day? Oh, boy. Here we go. Here here we go now you're best buddies proximity is not enough for me for for a friendship so yeah they move into this apartment he's introducing her themselves one lady named nita said we were barbecuing outside and he walked up toting a beer and playing with our little dog he just said hey what's up there how you guys doing petting little dog on the head hey nice

to meet your neighbor um days later jones met this woman nita's 18 year old daughter britney different story quote he knew many details about her which britney found odd yeah he started all this conversation oh you do this and you do that she asked her mother why later on why the fuck did you tell this weird guy from the apartment complex all this shit about me they gave him a reason to talk to me and her mother said i didn't tell him any of that stuff how the fuck did he know i didn't do and tell him anything so one day at the apartment um here the all of this the the cops get called on him because they said that, quote, this woman said that she was scared that Mr. Chapman was going to hurt her really bad, but she didn't want to press charges. Okay. Then a couple weeks later, the cops come back again when Jones was, quote, wigging out is the way he put it.

The cops called that? Yeah. Well, he said it to the cops. That was in the report. Oh, he said I, wigging out is the way he put it. The cops called that? Yeah. Well, he said it to the cops. That was in the report. Oh, he said, I'm wigging out? He said, I'm wigging out. And they said, what'd you take? And he said, I'm on a two-week meth bender.

That's up currently. Two weeks. Two weeks. No sleep? I guess not. Probably not. He said he had just shot up two grams of meth. That's a lot, right?

And was hoping to kill himself with it, possibly. Then it was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot on purpose. That seems like a whole bunch. Seems like too much, yeah. It's a lot, I would say. Yeah. So he's been in hospitals and mental health facilities at least four times so far because of his drug use as well.

He'll have advanced liver damage later on because we'll find that out later. He's been doing it a lot, yeah. October 2003, they arrest him again, the cops do. Now they actually arrest him for allegedly exposing himself to Brittany, 18-year-old Brittany, Nina's daughter here. She told police she was scared of him because he repeatedly came to her apartment trying to turn the doorknob and get inside oh no are you kidding me what the fuck why is it repeatedly repeatedly he just did it all the time when he's wigging out a meth bender he'll be like

i'll go over there and try to rape that girl yeah that's what it is he'd appear in the morning she said after her mother would leave for work he would would pop up. Oh, God, yeah. She said one day he'd be at the front door, next day he'd be at the back. Some mornings he just sat outside his apartment drinking beer and talking to himself. Oh, my. Meth. This is like 8 a.m. And that guy's jiggling your doorknob. Yeah, and he's popular in the neighborhood.

Holy. So later on, the Godfrees end up calling police because they find a box outside Brittany's window and look in it. What's in it? Inside the box is rope, tape, and binoculars. A fucking kidnap kit. A kidnap kit that he left behind. He didn't mean to. No, I think he was putting it there for later use.

Yeah. So like, oh, now when I go over there, I don't have to take rope with me. I'll have it right at a window because I'm going to obviously tie her up and kill her later. I'm going to need it. Yeah. So that is very interesting. So he gets arrested in October 2003 for this, for indecent exposure and public indecency. Brittany's 18, so it's not in front of a child.

So, yeah, he later on, he would say it this way, quote, I'd get picked up in Georgia and I'd be sweating. They'll find me out now. But when they'd come in and say, OK, John, you've made bond, I'd leave. What the fuck is happening? Three times after arrests in Douglas and Carroll counties in 2003 and 2004, the national computer database

from the FBI for fingerprinting failed to detect that Jones posing as Chapman was a wanted man. Do they have his fingerprints on file as John's? No, they have his as Jeremy Jones. That's who they have him as. So when he gives fingerprints.

He's saying he's something else. Yeah. They're coming back like inconclusive and they're going, well, I guess he's who he says he is because he has a driver's license and stuff because he's got that social security number. But instead, no, it's not that. It's fucking. Wow. It's got that social security number but instead no it's not that it's fucking wow it's insane it's it's crazy so the fbi said they were after all this said they were investigating why this happened jones laughed about it he said quote that little fingerprint

system they have is a joke it's a little toy it's a little toy there he must be canadian somewhere it's a joke it's a real joke that It's a little toy there. He must be Canadian somewhere. It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a real joke. That's your stupid opinions reference there. So January 2004, he is charged with two counts of criminal trespassing again because he got let out for the indecent exposure because his fingerprints didn't get flagged. Once again, fingerprints fail to detect his true identity. They don't. They just take him at his word. That's wild, man.

February 14, 2004. This is less than a month later. Think about this. Of when they should have definitely known who he was and kept him in prison. Valentine's Day. There's a woman named Catherineatherine collins in new orleans yeah 45 years old um yeah she's found that day on february 14th nude and badly decomposed in an empty lot oh boy her name's katherine collins she's a local prostitute who also went

by katherine uh gieselman and the detectives said, and they said she was found in a grassy lot about a block away from the trucker's entrance to the port of New Orleans. The body had decomposed and they could not identify her. She'd been reported missing on January 10th, but it wasn't found until January or February 14th when an anonymous tipster led them to the body. Oh, my. So we'll find out because that's him too. Of course.

Of course it is. Why would I tell you about a murder he didn't commit, I guess? So early March 2004, they're on the move again to another trailer park. This is Vicky and Jones here. Him and Vicky move together to Arbor Village Trailer Park in Douglasville, Georgia. Okay, that's March, the beginning of March 2004. March 12, 2004, 16-year-old Amanda Greenwell disappears from right there. Huh.

In a nearby trailer of the same park. They're there less than two weeks this happens. I mean, dude dude at what point you can't there's no that's not a coincidence no these are all he's fucking lazy yeah these are all within walking distance yeah what are you doing get it let's fuck at least ted bundy went out and into the world for christ's sake this guy's lazy. So it's shocking that he got away with it this long. That's what I mean. When he's this lazy, it's this,

this is just piss poor police work connecting dots and shit like that. That's the only, and three times the fingerprints is national fingerprint database didn't work as lazy as he is. There's multiple other people that are even lazier. The only thing I can think, and this is what I came up with immediately, because sometimes if you're fucking doing a lot with your hands

and tearing your hands up doing construction work and stuff like that, would that one little flap on the skin, would that affect the fingerprint to fuck it up? Because I'll notice if I'm doing stuff outside and dicking with my hands, my fingerprint thing on my computer won't work. Is that right? Yeah. I'll have to put my password in and I'll have to put like some lotion and

shit on my finger and like work it all out. And that's when it'll start working again. So I would hope that the FBI is a little more stringent than fucking Apple. I would hope that Apple 20 years later would have a better fingerprint system than the FBI 20 years ago. Cause that fucking computer was expensive. They could suck my dick. I think it was giant.

Yeah, I'm talking mine. Fuck theirs. Yeah, not theirs. My laptop costs a lot. That shit was – I was mad at that shit. I was angry at Apple. So April 14, 2004, Patrice Tambors-Endres is this woman's name. Tambors hyphen Endres.

She owns and runs the Trim and Tan Amber's Trim and Tan is the name of the place. Her name is an amber, but she decided that's a good name for somebody who would want to give you a trim and a tan. There's a lot of ambers that are pretty tan. Pretty tan and

trimmed up nice. This is on Georgia Route 369, this road here. It is a rural middle of nowhere. It's described as a remotely located beauty salon, which is very odd, number one. Those are oftentimes failures, I think. Yeah, or it's a very specific location yeah or she only does trims cuts and pussy waxing it's the only place that does it and every woman in the whole entire mountain region does it is happy to do it i don't know she also does vajazzling totally that's what keeps her in business that's to keep the lights on hell yeah listen listen tans will do this and

that and shrimps will do everything, but vaginas will keep the lights on. That's what I'm saying. So she is running this place. It's north of coming Georgia is the name of the place. She's in there and she disappears from her shop. Oh no. Disappears. Now what happened to her? We find out. Jones will later tell detectives that he got lost driving. He didn't even mean to go here. He got fucking lost. Yeah, he got lost driving and just accidentally

drove by her isolated business and needed to... And the girl that runs that is pretty. Well, he just needed to stop for directions. He figured there'd be people in there. He can't just go in and fucking kidnap people. But when he went in and asked for directions, she was the only one in there he can't just go in and fucking kidnap people but when he went in and asked for directions she was the only one in there and there's nobody around to hear anything so he said awesome so he kidnapped her and brought her to douglas county where he raped her and killed her and dumped her body in a creek jesus christ

man and uh she's never been found and despite they've looked for her a lot, we'll talk about this. Now, the detectives who talked to her said they don't believe that he just happened upon this place. They don't buy that. No? No. They said, quote, he's a stalker. He gets excited about his victims. He'll talk about killing a person like it's a 10-point buck.

So he knew her. He's going to tell you this. Yeah, he was stalking her. He grew to enjoy the killing. It was as addictive as the meth, is what the cop said. So what happened to her there? Yeah, he found her. She's a pretty petite brunette, 38 years old and alone.

Oh, my God. Yep. He said he dumped her body off a bridge in Douglas County into a creek. And it's just very disturbing to hear that. And they said that the sheriff said, quote, he said his only intent was to get directions back to Douglas County. After he went in, he realized she was there by herself and seized the opportunity for all the work we've done. The only time he ever set foot in Forsyth County was that morning. Yeah, there's no way he just happened upon it then no that's just weird so uh they said he told them that he was he got high on meth that april 15th morning jumped in his red jeep cherokee and drove without any destination he was just driving around aimless he said he remembered driving through canton

and then became disoriented that's when he stopped at the salon and um you know there you go that's where he met endres who resembled some of the other women that he suspected of killing as well he has a type petite brunettes is what he likes um so yeah he was he forced her to leave with him at gunpoint and um she left some she left cash and an unlocked business behind. So people were looking for her after that. Now, early 2004, Jones would call McIntosh. Remember the McIntosh guy?

Yeah. He'd call McIntosh at weird hours. Call him at like the middle of the night. Yeah. Weird times. McIntosh said, quote, he was going downhill fast. He'd say, John, I screwed up again. I assumed it was because of drugs, but I wonder if he was talking about something else.

I'll bet he would. He loved this guy. And he told him in coded ways. He had a little confidant that he just told things to. He needs to get it out. Yeah. He likes to get it out. Holy shit.

And then he'll have a minute where he's like, damn what am i doing but then that's people if you've ever been addicted to anything it's like that like you feel like you need you need you need you need you need and then while you're doing the thing you need you're like why am i doing this no that feels good but then when you're done with it you're like why did i do that yeah you know what i mean whether you're trying to quit smoking yeah if you're trying to quit smoking you haven't had a cigarette in two days and you take a drag of a cigarette, there's no fucking regret to that whatsoever at the time you're doing it. Like, oh, my God. I'm going to fucking cum right now. This is so good.

And then when you're done with it, you're like, why did I fuck that all up? What's wrong with me? I don't even think it's that far in. I think it's – I don't think you have to be, I think five to ten drags of it. Once you're satiated. Yeah. Yeah, once you satisfy it. Once you satisfy the thing

and that's what his is. Once that blood flows, he's satisfied and I think at that point he's like, oh. That's why when he ditches people, just throws them off bridges into a mine shaft.

It's like, well, done with that. Yeah. And he conceals it. Yeah, he conceals it. His concealment is something. Which is Bundy did the same thing. Yeah. He hit all those women in the woods. Yeah, and he's doing that because afterwards there is shame for him.

Yeah, absolutely. But he loves it. April 20th, 2004. Remember Amanda Greenwell, 16 years old? Her body is found on April 20th here. She's been stabbed repeatedly and her neck is broken. Jesus. Yeah.

That is brutal there. That's his neighbor from Arbor Village Mobile Home Park. Yeah. She was reported missing in March. Her badly decomposed remains were found in April. And yeah, they said her stepbrother and a kinder stepsister said that they would see jones around the trailer park but really didn't know him very well other people in the trailer park said oh i remember that fucking guy here's a here's a dude that said quote he was always pretty

high he had a pretty hard drug problem he was always paranoid always wondering if the cops were looking for him yeah so meth people, always wondering if the cops were looking for him. Yeah. So meth people are always paranoid about the cops anyway. Can you imagine adding having 10 bodies on you too? Oh, boy. And living under a false identity with fingerprints floating around the FBI database all the time? You'd be terrified.

Yeah, somebody else's name. Also, no idea if this guy is really out somewhere too doing bad shit again what if he's got a fucking warrant somewhere now that's what i mean yeah he's so he's always paranoid i'm gonna hand my id over going hope he's not out and caught somewhere it's fucking wild so him and his neighbor here would play chess and drink beer all the time that was their thing they were friends until his buddy here suggested maybe we should pray together. And this man, the neighbor, said, quote, he completely flipped out. He said he couldn't handle prayer in his house.

We know why now. Okay. Yeah, he's just on meth and didn't feel like hearing it. So another neighbor, Tammy, remembers Jones fighting with a woman he lived with and sobbing loudly in the mobile poem parks payphone after they would argue. He would go to the payphone and call her and sob into the payphone loudly so that all the neighbors could hear. Oh boy. This neighbor said, quote, it gives me chills just thinking about it. So they said that even after she was taken in Greenwell and after she was found, the police questioned Jones because they question everyone in the neighborhood.

But they said there was nothing that aroused anybody's suspicion. He just said he had no clue. No, I don't know. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I don't know that kid and whatever. And they were like, all right, went on to the next one. They said he seemed normal. That was that June 15th, 2004.

He's arrested for meth, marijuana, obstruction and possession of paraphernalia. Obstruction. Obstruction. Yeah. So he interesting here. They release him, of course, even though they run his fingerprints and come up with who gots again. They release him, went back to his trailer park there. Douglasville is about 20 miles west of Atlanta, by the way, outside of Atlanta.

His neighbors describe him as a volatile, paranoid man who is often glassy-eyed from extreme amounts of meth that he uses. The cops questioned that guy and were like, yeah, he seems normal. He seems fine. Normal. There's probably 80% of the trailer park probably look like that. And they were like, he fits right in with everybody else. Look for the guy who's not on meth. He's probably the murderer at that point.

How fucking crazy wild-eyed are the people that are 30 minutes outside Atlanta? Living in a trailer park? Probably pretty fucking wild-eyed. Yeah. Atlanta gets real rural real fucking fast. Sure does. It's one of those places where it's like, oh, it's this big city. And then, holy shit, what the hell is going on here?

Where did it all happen? Where is that banjo coming from? So this guy, the neighbor, Brian, said he once saw Jeremy Jones peeking in another neighbor's window. When this man, Brian Christensen, asked him, what are you doing? Jeremy ran away. He just ran away. Didn't have an answer. See ya.

The most suspicious thing you can do is run away like yeah if you're trying to i don't know something i'm looking i saw a quarter i don't know fuck i thought my friend was in anything you could say anything other than looking for my wife weird so this christiansen's wife andrea said she once opened the door and jones was there um at the door asking to borrow her phone so she was like i guess yeah sure you're a neighbor you can borrow my phone open the door and he was already standing he was there he was just standing there came up there and then she said he made a sexually suggestive comment, then pushed her against the wall and grabbed her throat. You know, was going to rape her.

Yeah. But she got away. Brian, the husband, said you had a strange feeling when you looked into his eyes. He was looking at you, but looking right through you. Weird cat. So September 2004, he heads to Mobile. All right. The hurricane hurricane ivan had just come through so he figured there'd be construction work there when it was over there you go that's

what he's here for yep he said i wanted to come down here live on the beach and live happily ever after that's what told the cops uh this was his retirement he was coming for just basically like gulf coast living bask in the glow of his gotten away with murders and just live and live in the muddy beach that's it so september 15th 2004 is the same day that the the hurricane struck that's when he showed up at mark and kim bentley's house yeah like we talked about here um again they think they know him as John Chapman. And that's where he showed up and stayed in their mobile home and Scooter was there and all that kind of shit. And then Lisa Nichols ended up happening. By the way, on the way to Mobile, he called Vicki Freeman, his girlfriend, back in Georgia.

And he told her that I got a job already. I'm not even there yet that I got a job already. I'm not even there yet, and I got a job. And she said, quote, I told him how proud I was of him. I told him, get us a place to live, and I'll get right down there with you. What the shit? By the way, what number is this? What number was it? It was Lisa Nichols' phone.

Oh, my God. From the beginning, the woman he killed, he had her phone. That's why. that's what it was holy yeah how fucking insane is that that's he took it with him yeah he took it with him yeah he's got he's got guns he's got all sorts of shit going on here so september 21st 2004 is when he's arrested yeah now he's arrested he's saying he is alias, and they have no way to know otherwise until he phones his mother from jail. Oh? Talks to his mother from jail, and authorities trace the call, and then they could do a little family tree and figure it out.

This isn't who the fuck he is. He's this guy that's wanted on rape shit from fucking years ago. Wow. Well done. Finally, decent police work. It's about fucking time. Not bad at all. No.

So he's arrested for charges related to the rape and slaying of Lisa Nichols. Okay. That's what he's found with here. That's the one where her mutilated and burned body was found in her bathroom in the trailer park from the beginning. Also charged with the murder of Amanda Greenwell, a 16-year-old neighbor in Douglasville, Georgia. Her remains were found in April of 2004. Also, he's going to later be charged with the murder of Catherine Collins, a 47-year-old New Orleans woman who was the prostitute by the port of New Orleans place there. So police in Mobile send out a news release announcing the arrest of him.

He's 25, by the way, at that point. That's what it says on his thing. Yeah, but he's not. No, he's not. He's 31. Yeah. He's 31. But they announced that the police announced that we've arrested a 25-year-old man named john paul chapman

oh because he's in jail oh yeah okay yeah and uh that's when oklahoma stepped up and said uh that profile of chapman resembles actually this guy that we're looking for jones he's wanted on rape by force and rape by instrument sodomy and failure to register as a sex offender and felony bail jumping so we'd love to talk to him he's pretty much the worst sex offender and felony bail jumping so we'd love to talk to him he's pretty much the worst sex offender we've got he's as bad as it gets and then missouri came in and they said no no no no you don't have john paul chapman because we fucking have john paul chapman he's in our prison we know where he is we can go check on him right now like we just put him on the phone if you want we just put a meal through a slot like we know he's there for real so this is it all now it's all crumbling and the police are going who

the fuck do we have here what is happening now they're getting worried so since his arrest investigators from oklahoma georgia louisiana california because he's been there too they all travel to mobile wanting hopefully they can just get a couple of minutes to talk to this guy, see what we come up with. One of them said, quote, he's eager to talk. Can't wait to tell everybody what he's done. The cops, anyway. He confessed to killing. He confesses to killing 21 people.

Okay. In a 12-year span over five states. He says eight of them were in the were Atlanta women from the metro Atlanta area. So the detectives, two of them here, they were asked how they could how do you control an interview with this guy? And they laughed and said, quote, he controls them. We cannot control him. You let him go. He said, nobody, absolutely nobody will ever get the complete truth.

He sugarcoats everything. He just runs all over the place. Wow. He just enjoys talking shit and telling stories and blabbing. So he claimed that he killed three prostitutes in Mobile, five in the Atlanta area, and another in New Orleans. He's been charged with the New Orleans one, but they haven't substantiated the other ones yet. They said they spent, these two detectives, Paul Birch and Mitch McCray, spent hundreds of hours with him, with Jones. Really?

Hundreds. Like they did with Dahmer. Yeah. Let's go through them one at a time. Tell me all the details. If he's willing to do it, it's probably not as gross because you just got to take information and then go try to corroborate it. When he tells you it's just a goddamn story at this point, we don't know if this is true. Fuck it.

Let him tell it, though. Then we can check it out and see what the evidence matches up. So, yeah. So they sent him down there. They spent hundreds of hours with him. They said they listened to his rambling shit. His stories would change sometimes. They said his stories are a mixture of truth and fantasy.

The truth is there also, but there's also what he wants you to think and what he feels like saying now. And the one guy said, quote, we spent hours and hours talking about hunting and fishing and girls, just trying to get some kind of rapport with the guy here. Yeah, so he said he brags about conquests, about having affairs with teachers. A lot of that stuff was just not true when we looked into it. But several polygraph tests have supported his accounts of the killings. Or murders. Now, can he pass a polygraph because he's that good of a fucking liar does he think you know what i mean a really psychopathic

person can pass a polygraph test yeah they don't they don't get that that rush of a oh no i'm lying because they're dead inside they don't get that shit there's also like the the detail the the details if you can get through them and they're graphic and horrific, that's a frightening human being. Oh, big time. And you're just like, yeah, I did that. Oh, boy. Like, listen, watch the thing when Dennis Rader finally cracks. Yeah.

When they sit him in that confessional, they finally say, we got your DNA, man. It's this and that. And he goes, that DNA is about 100%, isn't it? And they go, it's this and that and he goes that dna is about 100 isn't it and they go it's dead to rights and he goes all right let me tell you about the oteros went in there jerked off on the girl tied this guy he started fucking reliving it i mean it was like as soon as he's busted well might as well get my dick hard while i'm at it and tell you all about it there's some of them there's some of them that even though they know they're fucked they they want to hang on to them

because it's power for them yeah yeah type of psychology for those it's a terrible person they like to have the power of the information to torment people with and some of them they like to use it for their own personal yeah you know gratification so that depends on what they're into living all that shit yeah so wow um in 2005 in april they said that he confessed to killing Patrice Endres, the salon owner there. No body is found, though, so no charges are ever filed because they don't know. They can't corroborate how he killed her and stuff like that. So, May of 2005, an Alabama grand jury indicts him in the Nichols slaying there. A spokesperson for the Fulton County District Attorney in Georgia here said that no connection has been established between Jones and any unsolved homicides in Fulton County.

No evidence. They said, we do not have any active investigations specifically involving Jeremy Jones. specifically involving Jeremy Jones. The Mobile police sheriff's detective here, Paul Birch, said that Jones told investigators he picked up prostitutes on stretches of Atlanta streets around strip clubs and would dump their bodies in wooded areas and once off a bridge into a river. He said he took and passed several polygraph tests on those cases.

So Fulton County might want to look into those a little deeper is basically what they're saying. So he said, I don't know. That's what he told us. And the fucking lie detector said he's telling the truth. So they said he knew shit that nobody else knew about them. So Atlanta police planned a trip to Mobile that was postponed after there was a slaying at the Fulton County Courthouse that was a little distracting. Shit.

So they said, oh, we got to concentrate on this. Alabama Attorney General said that Birch, the detective, sketched a rough map of the locations where Jones said he committed the crimes against his victims in Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Kansas that date back to 92. Good Lord. in Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Kansas that date back to 92. Jones' defense attorney said that he fabricated all this stuff. It's all good. And authorities said, no, we don't think he's making them up. He knew quite a lot.

Too much. Yeah. They said the Patrice Endress thing, he knew an awful lot about that, to not have done that. They said that he must have been there to know anything, all the shit he knew about the shop and all that kind of stuff. It's in the middle of nowhere. It's not like he would have driven by it and looked in. And so, yeah, they said also the authorities are have already charged him in Douglas County with the slaying of Amanda Greenwell. And Birch said that Jones gave investigators detailed confessions of those three killings.

Yeah. investigators detailed confessions of those three killings. Yeah. The county sheriff in Douglas County said, quote, we approach his confessions with cautious optimism. Said they were investigating other cases. They said Jeremy Jones has confessed to the deaths of Tina Mayberry, Patrice Endres and Amanda Greenwell. There's some evidence to support the Greenwell confession, but almost no evidence to support his confessions in the Endres or Mayberry cases. Yeah.

There's just not physical evidence to connect. So, yeah, that's tough. So based on his confessions, though, with Patrice Endres, the Douglas County Sheriff's Office begins searching for her remains at Sweetwater Creek at the Riverside Parkway Bridge near the Chattahoochee River, where he said he dumped her. They used dogs specifically trained to find cadavers, because obviously she's not going to be alive a year later. The cadaver dogs have twice indicated that a body was once there. Where? On the bridge? Wherever it was.

Yeah, wherever they found where he said he was. So investigators brought the state forensic anthropologist to advise them and they set up a grid to comb through the vegetation and debris for evidence. And they collected soil in hopes of finding her DNA in there and everything like that. But because of rains and floods, they said the body may have very easily washed downstream and with that DNA as well. And divers have not had any luck finding the body. They said in the salon, there's not a lot of evidence there.

He said, quote, in some places you can collect hair samples as evidence, but my God, it's a hair salon and there was hair everywhere. Right. You cannot clean up all the hair in a hair salon. It's impossible. It's literally what they did in the town is go to barber shops and Ziploc bag a bunch of it and then sprinkle it in cars that they robbed joints with. Yeah, it's easy to do. How are you going to parse between this hair and that hair? Yep.

He said there were fingerprints on top of fingerprints because there was customers in there. Just the setting itself was one of the biggest obstacles we faced. So he said that was really hard. They said also in case Jones misidentified the location, they were going to do an aerial search by the bridge and everything there as well. Now, Endra's father, he said he didn't want to talk about the case. They talked to him and he said, I want to talk about this. So they said that they're uncertain whether Jones will be charged in the disappearance here.

They said he's been very forthright in three different interviews, but it's been hard to confirm it to some degree. He's already told us things. Only the person involved would know things we haven't shared, but you just don't charge someone based on a confession. There has to be corroboration. Sometimes people confess for the notoriety or just to play games. Yeah. So why investigations are so goddamn important? Because if you find something that only killer would know, and this guy knows it, bingo, bango, you got your guy.

Yeah, fuck yeah. So one of the people who knew her said that homes and businesses around the area tied yellow ribbons around trees and distributed hundreds of flyers with a picture on it. People had car washes to raise money. They raised $17,000. The family hired a psychic. They raised $17,000. Wow. The family hired a psychic, America's Most Wanted, taped a fucking reenactment of her abduction, but it never aired.

That would be a pain. Are you going to air it or not? Jesus. Yeah, what the fuck? That's a lot of production for nothing. A guy named Mike Becker who owns a store called Fred's Beds. Why do none of these people name their businesses after themselves? What's his name?

Mike, and he calls it Fred's Beds, why do none of these people name their businesses after themselves? Why are they like Mike and he calls it Fred's Beds? Well, because Mike's Beds sounds aggressive. Just nobody's beds then. Your name's Mike. Your name's not Fred. The other lady had Amber's Tannin something and her name was Patrice. So it doesn't make a lot of sense. So, yeah, he said that he's alarmed by how random it is.

His shop's like two and a half miles from the salon. He says, back then it was free and easy before she disappeared. We trusted everybody. My fiance would be here by herself while I went to the store. He says now he has a policy. No women are allowed in the shop alone. Because you might get murdered. No women alone.

Didn't get her like a shotgun in case. Not allowed to be here by yourself. Go outside if anybody else leaves. Yeah. In total, they said that Jones was, quote, very nonchalant and matter-of-fact in recounting the rapes and killings. Just, eh, there was that one, did that, and you know, blah, blah, blah. How do you do it?

So the ones that they're pretty positive about that he did are 13 total people. That's too many. Somewhere between 13 and 21. They don't know. But they're pretty sure 13. Ten females, three males. Here are the ages that he's killed, by the way. All of them. Three 16-year-olds he's murdered.

A 19-year-old, a 20-year-old. This is a weird one. Four 38-year-olds. How strange is that? Just a coincidence. Then a 40-year-old, a 41-year-old, and a 45-year-old. But four 38-year-olds. It's just so weird.

Feels like that's his jam, right? Yeah, it seems like it. Or around 20. Or around, yeah, I think it's whoever's there. If he finds you attractive in whatever thing sets his mind off to, that's my rape attraction and my murder attraction. Also, he killed them in different ways. He shot one, he stabbed one, he broke one's neck he did he's

he does whatever whatever weapon he has on him that's what he uses and he brings one with him as well which shows that uh they called him though a disorganized thrill killer that was what they classified him as yeah because it's close by people yep that's why it's not like he didn't plan that shit he He just shows up. It's when it strikes. Yeah. And especially if you believe him that he was just wandering around, saw this place and decided to do that.

That's the point there. So most of the time, except for the Patrice Enders, there are people that are within walking distance of him or he's out somewhere. It's pretty fucking terrifying. So also here's the behavior section of that psychological workup behavior during crimes rape yes torture yes stalking yes overkill yes quick and efficient yes as well though because he'll kill them to get them done and then he'll oh then he'll stab a bunch more times and shit like that. But he never blindfolded anyone or bound anyone.

Not into that. Not into binding. So Tina Mayberry. Remember Halloween 2002? Yeah, from the Betty Boop bar. Yep. Walked in and died. Well, no strong suspects were identified until Jones just came out.

They didn't even ask him about it. He just came out and told investigators, he did it, I did it. There's a chick at the bar gibson's betty boop costumes came outside and uh her stepdad believes him uh also she said the stepdad said he had new information only uh or he had new information only known to the killer apparently she fought him furiously in his his confession, he said, quote, she whipped my ass. That's why he didn't rob or rape her because she beat the shit out of him to the point where he just had to start stabbing her. He had to kill her, yeah. To stop the ass whooping.

Like literally, he was like, oh shit, I bit off more than I can chew here. Yeah. Stab, stab, stab, stab, and she went in and fucking died. Wow. She wasn't getting raped in a parking lot. She was going to fuck his ass up in a Betty. Imagine how embarrassing it is for this fucking jackass.

Imagine if someone walks outside and sees you getting the shit. You're trying your hardest and some chick in a Betty Boop costume is working you over. Working you. Booping your ass. Boop, boop, boop, boop.

Yeah, it'd be amazing. i would pay fucking money to see that rocking your head back this motherfucker tried to rape me like kicking him and punching him i'd be like awesome kick his ass and then he took out a knife and had to stab her to end it because she was gonna win yeah that's what it was yeah he got scared that she was gonna beat him up and then go inside and say this guy tried to fucking do this. And he said, I got to stop her. Never mind rape. I just got to kill her. So, yeah.

And then he comes out after a while and says, everything I said was a lie. I didn't do any of it. All the confessions are false. Lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, lied. He said that he played the system to get special meals and phone privileges and meetings with his mother and girlfriend his mother says that he called her he has called her more than 350 times he's always on the phone yep he said when you take every this is jones himself when you take everything a young man wants i'll do anything possible to get what i want

so if you take it all away from me i'll do what i have anything possible to get what I want. So if you take it all away from me, I'll do what I have to do to get it. But he was giving details that nobody else knew. And he's passing polygraphs. So they said that maybe he's making false claims about some other homicides to discredit any incriminating statements about the ones that he

did do also. Might be trying to muddy the waters. His attorney though says that he dismisses anything his client said to the authorities don't listen to any of that he said yeah he's a liar he's he's a moron he said quote he will talk to anyone and confess to anything if they'll let him talk to his mother and girlfriend for hours he's getting fancy lunches with crab claws and dinners and drinks then he'll come back later and say it's all false. It doesn't matter.

He's getting crab? He's making deals. That's what they do all the time. You start talking, you're solving fucking cases. They'll get you whatever the fuck you want to eat if you're going to clear a bunch of murder cases. It's probably one of those, you know the ones where they come in like the bag, those places you order takeout and it's like a bag of...

It's just like a bag of like cooked yeah stuff it's just a bunch of it's it's it's all wet inside though yeah yeah yeah they never work really well though those places usually suck so yeah now all of a sudden his lawyer said too he's really loving the national media attention as well oh great he loves it they said he's he had segments on the today show cnn fox news current affairs gonna do an hour-long show to him on him he's like this is great he loves it yeah he loves it um his lawyer who's been appointed by the court said his client is intelligent and could have been successful at just about anything he said quote he is a super smart man.

If he was trying to be good, he could be a doctor, a lawyer, or a businessman. No shit. Instead, he uses his abilities for murder and rape. So Catherine Collins of New Orleans, remember that young lady by the port of New Orleans? Well, anthropologists reconstruct this whole thing, her basically, and they solved her identity totally. They thought they found her, but they weren't positive. And so they're waiting on DNA results to determine whether possibly they can find his DNA on her or not. So they said that a friend recognized the facial reconstruction when it was publicized

and that's how a check of dental records confirmed that she was the victim. Great. Yeah. They said, quote, except for a different haircut, we were amazed at the likeness, which is between her and the reconstruction by LSU forensic anthropologist Mary Manheim. Well done, Mary. Yeah. you forensic anthropologist Mary Mary Mannheim well done Mary so even before though they knew who it was they knew who it was because he had told

her he told them who the fuck it was and it was her and it's her so they didn't even know who it was that they had they had bones and basically he put a name to bones and then they confirmed it and how did he said nope it's not me okay so that's fucking wild he goes to court all right he pleads not guilty this is just into

the one count here the one count of murder the nickels murder he pleads not guilty and as the judge is ordering him to go cycle he has to get psychiatric testing before a capital murder trial which is just standard procedure yeah he says screams out in court i ain't crazy well that's some crazy shit i'm gonna do some crazy shit right now i ain't crazy crazy yeah wow um the judge yelled at him and said said that please don't make any further comments without your attorney's permission. They shut the fuck up basically here. So this is for the death of Lisa Marie Nichols. Like we said, the indictment states that Nichols was sexually assaulted and shot to death in her mobile home and then set on fire. And this is a kind of give a trail of, oh, this leads to this, which led to this and this begat that, which begat that.

Sure. So he could face either life in prison without parole or the death penalty at this point. Oh, boy. Yeah. So his girlfriend, Vicki Freeman, remember her? Yeah. She wants to come down. She said, you got the wrong guy.

Really? The wrong fucking guy. She said that he is not a bad guy. The police have falsely picked on him, calling him a serial killer and piling on and trying to clear the books of all their unsolved murders so, quote, they can get brownie points. Brownie points. So people will be impressed with them. Babe, he called you with a murdered woman's phone with a murdered woman's phone that he just killed she's she then said quote he's a wonderful man

he's caring considerate loving he's gentle oh my yeah he's a different guy he's fuck that's what i mean he's fucking good. He switches his personalities. He wears the mask. He takes it off. He puts another one on. He's out there. So while sitting in jail without bond, charged with three brutal murders here, he's just hanging out, chilling. They're focusing on him for all these murders. And he said that one of his relationships here, Vicki Freeman, said that she told the authorities that he was physically abusive, but that they always made up.

Like, I mean, yeah, he'll abuse me and stuff, but then it's okay afterwards. We fuck after and everything's fine. And then in a newspaper interview, like that was from the press, that one quote that she just gave she said she denied that he ever struck her but she told the police he did and said quote what happened between us is our business it's our business our business that's what that's what they say and he said he only admits to lying to her about using a false name i just told her my name was different everything else i told her the truth he said this this is a crazy quote quote every night i made love to her i knew that i needed to tell her because she was falling in

love with this guy john she yeah it's not a romantic comedy man and she says she forgives him for lying about that saying quote she fell in love with a man, not a name. He lied to you the very first second he met you. Because it was advantageous for him because he was wanted for rapes other places, you fucking scumbag. And then here is John Furman, the assistant district attorney. And I love this. Yeah, he said, quote, he could be a low-rent Ted Bundy. Otherwise, reasonably smart women somehow find him interesting. He doesn't look like a monster.

Obviously, Vicki Freeman is playing with fire. Just obviously, she doesn't know what she's doing. Now, they're trying to find Patrice still. Andrus. They said from Coal Mountain to Matt, they rallied in search for Patrice Andrus, a hairdresser. to matt they rallied in search for police for patrice endress a hairdresser but they said that it was now they're having the neighbors are starting to lose hope that she'll be found alive it's like you should have lost hope a long time ago a guy confessed to killing her a guy who who's confirmed to have killed people confessed to killing her yeah i think it's about time to lose

some fucking hope there and um so they said they were hoping she had been found alive and hope had begun to fade. But then residents got news of a search for her remains in a creek. And they also got word that an eyewitness account had been a hoax. So maybe she's alive. So they said most of the posters, yeah, seeking help were taken down around Christmas, business owner said. Fred's bed's owner said he took his poster down two weeks ago to make room for some clocks. Christmas is coming.

People want clocks. Yeah, I mean, fuck. What do you want from me? He said, I don't want to sound too morbid, but if you don't hear about it in such a long time, you start losing faith. Yeah, you know, Black Friday. You just say, I mean, they got to sell some clocks. I got to move merchandise. I don't know. They're piling up. We we gotta put them on sale for christ's sake it's a flyer like how many clocks could you fit there where a flyer was that's funny as shit um yellow ribbons will

at the animal hospital will stay in place until she's found they said the staff removed flyers months ago and last week put away a reward fund in a collection box so they're like if anyone finds her we got it yeah that's it so the staff did all of that um dr sue kasher a veterinarian almost called her a vegetarian a veterinarian um she said today was almost a finalizing of oh my god she's probably not with us People in these situations usually give up after three or four months, but we kept praying. Okay. So they believe that everybody believes that she was taken and disposed of in the Sweetwater Creek. Yeah.

But they don't know. By the way, they said that eyewitness Michael Lee Grant or Michelle Lee Grant of Jasper made up her story in the description because they said that she was still around. So they said, yeah. So the police said they wondered whether they would have found Patrice if they hadn't been going after the wrong thing because this witness made something up. So John Will, the owner of Ferguson's Meat Market, again, not after him, not Will's Meat Market or John's Meat Market, Ferguson's. Maybe he bought it and it has just so much clientele.

I can't change it. Everybody knows it. Ferguson has a great reputation. It's the uniform shirts. They're sewn on there. Ferguson's. What am I going to do? Get my own?

This is crazy. I'm going to have to buy new ones for everybody. Nah, we'll keep the sign in the shirts and fuck it. He said there should be a special place for that witness. Yeah. Oh, for Michelle. Jesus. For that witness who lied. He hates Michelle. Hates her.

So, yeah, they said that she had to have been overpowered in the business. They said there's no other way. She would have fought back, Patrice. She was a fighter. She wouldn't have gone along with shit. But if he had a gun pointed at her, it's a different story. Yeah, they said that she used to run

the store alone sometimes, but you know, that's now nobody's letting women run stores around there alone anymore. A Douglas County deputy searched Jones' former trailer and a storage shed where he kept his belongings. These searches turned up photographs of eight women, and investigators asked for the public's

help in identifying and locating these women and making sure they're alive. Right now, yeah. Right now. Yeah. They said they declined to find what else they found in the searches and said two of the eight women have turned up alive and well. Both of them were from Alabama, but they remain concerned for the welfare of the other six who could be from anywhere because he's been all over the place yeah they said who the fuck knows so

they're looking into all that and they said that he's a person of interest he's looking good he's a suspect and he's certainly become a suspect so all these hedging words here so uh now at this point he's going to be charged in louisiana he faces a first degree murder charge oh for the port of new orleans yeah yep for her um and they said they obtained a first degree murder arrest warrant for him so what's up with those fingerprints and how the shit did that happen what's going on okay let's see here um wow they said this man he's been arrested and freed three different goddamn times. They said during the time after he was first identified, they believe he's killed four people after they could have had him. So these fingerprints are kind of important.

They said, you know, quote, as a result, law enforcement lost an opportunity to prevent future criminal activity by this individual. That's the FBI, their statement. They said the FBI regrets this incident. They're conducting an internal review of the error within the fingerprint system, which is a huge, huge computerized database. One of the friends of Patrice Endress said, how did this happen? I'm kind of shocked that this was botched. I know there's human error, but I would think there would be more controlled in this day and age. They could have saved a lot of lives. And another one of the victim's friends said there's a lot of innocent

girls that lost their lives because they didn't do their job right. What's their excuse? They said there was an error occurred within the IAFIS, a massive computer database that contains fingerprints and criminal histories for 47 million people.

A little big. They said the system makes 50,000 fingerprint comparisons a day per day with a 95% accuracy rate. There's still five. This guy got so lucky. He was the 5% every time, every day. Wow. That seems awfully. Wow.

So they said they, you know, all these arrests, they said that the fingerprint system failed to make the connection between the two names. Instead, it created a new fingerprint file under the name Chapman. So the next time it was looked up, it came back. Chapman came back. Chapman, which was what he said. Damn it. Yep. So they said the fingerprint matched with the Chapman file.

They said there was no human error. That's what the computer did. It's just that's how it said. God damn it. Yep. So they said the fingerprint matched with the Chapman file. They said there was no human error. That's what the computer did. It's just that's how it's programmed to do it. The computer made a new file. Made a new file. Y2K? What the fuck? Fucked it all up.

One guy said nobody did anything wrong. We can't make systems work 100% of the time. There was no lapse. There was no inattention. It was just the system missed it. No one can sit there and manually go over 50,000 fingerprint things a day to make sure they were all good. So they have to depend on that, I guess. So they said even it's become widely used, this system, it's a relatively small error rate that's remained unchanged.

They said that the scans take four or five minutes, allowing authorities to hold a person until their prints have been run. The number of errors is infinitesimal but compared to the system's overall benefit they this is the uh director of forensic identification services which is a private practice he said when these highly publicized errors are made it makes them look incompetent but it's just a fact of life these machines are wonderful not for those four fucking ladies, at least. So, wow. So the police say they still have faith in the fingerprints system. One cop said, I've seen it catch people on a weekly basis.

It's just that it failed on a guy that may have turned out to be a serial killer. It's just that. Kind of a big fuck up. It's just that a guy killed a lot of evil. It says that every once in a while at 5%, he's going to be a terrible, awful murderer. Real bad. And just fuck everybody up here. Is CODIS that system now?

Because that's the people that- I have no idea. That's the people that listen to us and submit all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's DNA. That's not fingerprints. Oh. That was DNA.

I think they're doing both. Oh, okay, maybe. All kinds of stuff. Yeah. Not sure. I don't know if CODIS is only DNA. No, that's okay all kinds of stuff yeah not sure i don't know this is only dna no that's a good question i'm not sure about that so now he's in custody and he said he's being treated like hannibal lecter in jail come on this is ridiculous yeah yeah he's in two weeks

on suicide watch after officers found prescription drugs in his cell like an amount that was like he was storing them to take later and he said they're trying to mentally break me down i wouldn't try to kill myself i love life do you wow the sack on this asshole i love life i love to squeeze it until i watch the watch it leak out of a person's eyes that's what what I like about life. I love math and wow. Two things about me. They classify him as a quote extreme escape risk. Yeah. And he said he's being treated like Hannibal Lecter.

And it's ridiculous. But they said we didn't muzzle him or put him on a board or do it. None of that happened. I don't know what the hell he's talking about. Let him talk to Edward Norton Jr. Yeah. Nothing. Jodie Foster. Edward Norton. Edward Norton.

What am I doing? Robert Downey Jr. There you go. Ed Norton was in Red Dragon. Okay, there you go. He pleads not guilty in Mobile. Fascinating. And he's waiting to get mentally tested.

He said, I'm not crazy and I'm not a serial killer. Okay. This is ridiculous. He said investigators are, quote, out on a limb saying I'm a serial killer. Now they got to make me one. Okay. Oof. His mom in court, he mouthed, I love you to his mother who was seated in the court, and she believes her son is innocent.

She said, quote, I only have two sons. He's a good boy. Wait. Okay. Between 13 and 21 people, innocent. He's a good boy, Jimmy. Jesus, lighten up. I'm going to be a dick about everything.

Between 13 and 21. So judgmental. You 13 so judgmental you're so judgmental about him that's so many bodies it's it's a lot of bodies this guy's one of the worst people we've ever produced as a country he's terrible he's definitely in the top one percent good boy good boy uh the other one he's a great man so october 2005 is his trial in Alabama and the judge rules that DNA and confession can both be used terrific in trial

admissible so they said yeah that's all can be in there bring it all in let's see what you got here it's DNA evidence in the rape and murder of Lisa Nichols and in an interview from jail he said that he's concerned that the jury may hear him portrayed as a serial killer, and he doesn't like it.

Sure. They're going to want to take retribution there. Maybe he shouldn't have done it. That's possible, yeah. So they said jurors will not hear about any of the other charges against him, nor the term serial killer. They won't allow him to say it, which is interesting, which is weird because he's kind of the definition of it.

So they said that that description could come from some witnesses, however, but the DA is not allowed to call him that. If a psychologist gets up there or an FBI agent gets up there or a detective says he's a serial killer, hey, who are we to, we can't tell witnesses what they can't fucking say. You know, if that's their, especially if we're asking for their expert opinion. And that's a professional term. Yeah, exactly. So they said, you can't unring that bell, is what Jeremy said.

He said, that's what I'm worried about. Someone will say it and then it's just going to be stuck there. And the bell just keeps ringing. Oh, man. They had to, the judge, they were concerned about the death penalty and pretrial publicity, mainly with the jury. They're going to sequester this jury completely. Great.

Yeah. They said even if necessary, the trial will go through weekends and everything. No days off. No days off. They said they may order that televisions be removed from jurors' hotel rooms to prevent exposure to the news reports. Wow. They're taking it dead serious. Jesus Christ.

I would say so. They're not fucking this one up. No, they don't want to have that fucking up on an appeal. So the sheriff's detective, Paul Birch, said that Jones was read his rights and he gave the statement willingly. Yeah.

What are we talking about here, basically? So Birch, on cross-examination, said he may have met with Jones up to 30 times since his arrest. Here, he said some of those included allowing Jones to use the telephone and some visits did not include questioning him. So the defense earlier unsuccessfully attempted to prevent the jury from hearing three other of Jones's statements to investigators claiming those confessions may have stemmed from an unprescribed jail issued medication. But they didn't. So trial opening.

Prosecutor says that Jeremy here had inflicted panic, terror, and horror on Lisa Nichols' family when he raped and killed her, but the defense attorney said that the police had wrongly arrested a drug addict who would tell them anything they wanted to hear. That's basically going back and forth. They said that, you know, he's in there, they said he's wearing a coat and tie,

he's looking very nice. And they said Jeremy Jones did not help anybody do anything because he, oh, that's the prosecutor said he didn't help with the victim next door when she was burnt because he knew. He said he knew it was his handiwork. next door when she was burnt because he knew he said he knew it was his handiwork the defense here their opening statement they concede that jones's statements to detectives about the case led to his indictment but he argued the police arrested the wrong man oh he said jones was addicted to methamphetamine and because of that police that he had been awake for several days when officers arrested him so that's why they did it um then the jury gets to hear

something very fucking fun here they get to hear a recorded telephone conversation in which in which he admits to killing someone while on drugs on the phone this is uh he says quote it was like a nightmare i was in a movie he said i was higher than I'd ever been in my whole life. And, yeah, this is what he's telling people. He said, I thought I knew you, but I don't, is what his friend said. And he said, you knew me. Trust me. Oh, this is Bentley.

He said, you knew me. You just didn't know me on drugs. Oh. Is what he had said on the phone. So he was talking about the whole thing. Now, this guy, Bentley, who was the guy who he was living with there. Yeah. He described how they entered the smoke filled home with a flashlight and discovered the body.

He said, I was freaked out. She was burned up. It just about killed me. And he said that when he got home, Jones was just hanging out. And he said, quote, he asked me, what did it look like over there? Think you'd be able to identify stuff? Yeah. So the defense here, this is amazing.

They said that the body here was splashed with gasoline and burned. But he said that Jones may have covered up the killing. That might be true. But that's not capital murder, he said. He said investigators manipulated Jones into confessing while he was messed up on drugs. They said giving his statements, Jones felt he could improve his living situation. And they said he was removed from his cell many times, taken off suicide watch and given food in exchange for the details. And then his attorney said, quote, they were slicking him.

Slicking. Slicking. Snowing and bullshitting. Snowing and bullshitting him. Snowing and bullshitting. Bamboozled. He said, there is no, this is a prosecutor, quote, there is no reasonable doubt in this case. He said, if you want to see evil, look at him. Yeah.

A coward, a moral pervert, and a purveyor of drugs. Moral pervert. A coward, a moral pervert, and a purveyor of drugs moral pervert a coward a moral pervert and a portrayer of drug a purveyor that's not bad normally i'm against calling people perverts because i don't care but this is a pervert i'll give you that so the jury deliberates for two hours on this one and they find him guilty of rape burglary sexual abuse and kidnapping all during capital murder oh boy yep the verdict opens the door for him to be prosecuted also in georgia and new orleans and maybe for even more killings anywhere so during the sentencing the prosecutor in calling

for the death penalty urged the judge because the judge has the the jury gives their recommendation then the judge has the final word. Right. They don't have to take the jury's recommendation. So they said, please consider the bone-chilling crime. They said he targeted his prey like any other predator. He has never shown even an ounce of remorse. Not one bit.

Never. He's never even pretended it. Right. Nothing. Anything he'll say, I wanted to get a better life. He just, but he regrets not, he regrets inconveniencing himself. For sure. That's Anything he'll say. I wanted to get a better life. He just. Right. But he regrets not. He regrets inconveniencing himself. For sure.

That's pretty much it here. So the defense attorney said he urged the judge to impose life without parole, not death. He said that his client suffered extreme mental and emotional problems, including long term drug addiction. And that should be a mitigating factor. So they said, do you have anything to say for yourself, dickhead? Yeah. He said, this is all he said, God will have the final say. Oh, dude.

He goes, that may be true, but right now, it's pretty much me who has the fucking final say. So the judge says that he's, quote, a danger to civilized society. Yes. And says, you, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty. Jesus. Lethal injection.

Kill his ass, please. Yes. Back over him with a truck. We don't really care. The jury voted 10 to 2 of recommending the death penalty. There were two holdouts on that one. Two that didn't want it. Two that didn't want it.

So, yeah, that's fucking wild. So they get something there, and prosecutors, yeah, he was then blaming other people at that point, and they said, quote, blame the dead guy, a guy who can't come in here and defend himself. It's one more vicious lie. They said the truth is he hates women. He's a coward and a vicious murderer. He really does hate women.

Oh, he definitely does. Yeah. The only time guys were killed were when they owed him money. Yeah. Otherwise, it's all women. So they said that Rob Andress, who's Patrice's family member here, said that he went to the trial partly to support the Nichols family and to get a look at Jones. This is his wife that disappeared. He wants to look at the scumbag who told his wife, who killed his fucking wife.

And he said, I don't know why they haven't charged him. They said that, you know, they gave him, he gave the police details of his wife's abduction. Why the fuck is he not charged yet? He said, though, he wants, he went to this trial to maybe get justice for her and many others vicariously through this trial. Sure. So the prosecutor, yeah, he said he's a monster who could kill without remorse. He said the only person they ever saw Jeremy Jones express any sorrow for was himself.

I think that it speaks a lot about the kind of man that Jeremy Jones is. Right. I would fucking say so. So through his appeal, he talks to the press and laughs about the appeal and goes, I'm going to fucking win. He goes, I didn't kill anyone in Georgia. I didn't kill anyone in Alabama. I didn't kill anyone anywhere. As a matter of fact, quote, one day I'll be a free man.

I'll write me a book and laugh my ass off. OK. Let's go write a book. If you save your fucking life, you moron. So he went to the W.C. Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore, Alabama. Here, by the way, his families are awaiting confessions. Please confess and all that kind of shit. He's not doing it, though.

People are begging him to confess. He wants to win. Oh, he wants to get out, write a book, and laugh his ass off. Instead, he's diagnosed with hepatitis C in prison because he likes to shoot fucking intravenous drugs. So that's what he did. He's diagnosed with hep C. He's all fucked up here. He's had hep C, he said, for years since he worked at an oil refinery, but now it's really flaring up on him. And, been, he's had Hep C, he said, for years, since he worked at an oil refinery,

but now it's really flaring up on him. And, yeah, it's a lot. They said that it depends on whether his chronic liver disease develops

and whether he contracts another illness and whether he drinks alcohol. They said with everybody it's different, but they said, he said, quote,

the jail has never offered to treat me. Well, no. Yeah. And they said, well, they did. They might not have offered, but they said that no inmate has refused medical care at Metro Jail. So he could have gotten it if he said he wanted it.

They just they weren't going to go looking for it, basically. Also, there's nothing they can do about that. You've got that. No, he's he's pretty fucked. Yeah, he's pretty fucked. He said they want the governor to sign my death warrant. And if they don't and if they don't treat my hepatitis, I could die in a couple years. That's fucked up. It's just suicide two years down the road.

That's fucked up. That's fucked up. That's fucked up, man. That's funny. So they said, very common among prisoners. Centers for Disease control estimate that 30 percent of prisoners suffer from hepatitis c yeah because it's the ones that all do that shit they yeah they pass it around shit around yeah so yeah so their his mother said that he'd been

feeling bad while he worked at a refinery and he found out at that point his mother said it's unfair how they're treating him. He needs treatment. Yes, he does. If he's not treated, his liver will get worse. Yeah. It's so bad. People are like,

we don't really care. I don't give a shit. 2007, his mother is sentenced on drugs and weapons charges. Oh, really? Yup. Jean Beard

of Miami, Oklahoma assessed a five-year deferred sentence and fined $2,000 for possession of a controlled substance within 1,000 feet assessed a five-year deferred sentence and fined $2,000 for possession of a controlled substance within 1,000 feet of a school. What? Yes.

She also had drug paraphernalia and one count of possession of a firearm while committing a felony that was dropped. Yeah. She entered a blind plea, but then withdrew the plea and was requested a trial judge. And at her home, they found methamphetamine, a scale, plastic bags, and 23 weapons. She's selling? She's selling meth out of the house.

Wow. Wow. They also seized surveillance equipment that you'd have if you were selling meth as well. So, yeah. They said that there was never any discussions with Jones about dropping the charges against his mother in exchange for more information on any of the whereabouts.

Because they really want to find those two 16-year-old girls he raped and dumped in a mine shaft. But, yeah, so they said they looked for them. They haven't been able to find those bodies. Finally, 2007, the Kansas Bureau of Investigation renews a probe of the 15-year-old that was killed. A 15-year-old killing, not a 15-year-old. It's Jennifer Judd, again, the newlywed that he killed in 1992. They said, what we're looking for are people who have information, stories, observation, information that might help us solve this case.

It's a cold case. It's 15 years old, but it can still be solved. The sister said, money talks talks i know there's people out there who do not know who know what happened to my sister i believe there's a group of them who know what happened to my sister i think there's one guy there's one guy yeah one guy who knows what happened to your sister and he's got to have fucking c and they said that it's a five thousand dollar reward at that point we don't know um but they said we found at one point they said we found no evidence to suggest he was involved so they don't know um but they said we found at one point they said we found no evidence to

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