Small Town Murder - #448 - The Merry Mutilator - Onaway, Michigan

Episode Date: December 16, 2023

This week, in Onaway, Michigan, after a woman heads home, after a fight withe her boyfriend, but stops at rural bar, inside of a cabin to do karaoke. She disappears from the bar, leaving a couple of suspects, but one ends up being the real focus, when he not only admits to committing some inhuman acts, involving guns, fire, and a chainsaw, he brags about it! He continues this disturbing descriptions, even while being sentenced!Along the way, we find out that town names can cause real beefs, that not all small town folks are friendly, and that you shouldn't brag about your murder, as a judge is sentencing you!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That said, I think it's time to get right into the show here because it's a wild one. I think it's time for everybody to sit back. What do you say, people? Let's all clear the lungs here we go arms to the sky and let's all shout let's do this jimmy what do you say okay what do you say everybody let's go on a trip we're going to on away michigan on away on away o-n-a-w-a-y on away is that it that's it and if you pronounce it differently you shouldn't because it's on away it's the best way to do it here it is in the far northern mainland panhandle of mich. Oh, up there in the UP. Not in the UP. In the mainland.

Oh, gotcha. The very top of the mainland. Like northeast up there. Canada's right there. You can just swim to Canada. Oh, northeast. Over there. Way, way up at the top by the UP. So it's over there.

It's about four hours to Detroit almost. So all the way there. Three hours and 20 minutes to, what is it, Morrissey? I couldn't remember how you pronounce that one one maurice yeah uh episode 401 a seriously crazy cuisine and it was sure certainly want to check that out that's our last michigan episode population of this town 796 so we're doing small ones this week, yeah. Sure. Median household income here, $28,162 a month. Holy. It's about $40,000 less than the national average.

Surviving on the land? That's tough. Well, the median home price here, $121,700. Which is decent for, yeah, it's not bad. It's just cabins in the woods. That's all it is. Yeah, it's nothing. There's really not a lot of civilization, as we'll talk about here.

A little bit of history of this town. This is a very funny thing. I love when towns start and they can't agree on shit, so they fight about it. Oh, it's the best, yeah. So it was a farming community, received a post office here, so that means you exist if you get a post office. Yeah, you can get your mail. In 1882 there's a guy named thomas shaw he's the postmaster so they named the place shaw

okay after him which was common back then so then in 1886 there's a guy named merritt chandler and he platted a platted a bunch of a place for a community. He'd love to be named after him. Well, he called it Onaway, not Chandler. Then Chandler took over as postmaster in 1890 and changed the name to Onaway. He was like, I like that better. So then three years later, Shaw became postmaster again and changed the name of the town, not to Shaw, to Adalaska. Alaska with a D-A after the first A for some reason. Adalaska.

Adalaska, uh-huh. So he changed it to that. Then five years later, someone else was postmaster, and they changed it back to Onaway. They liked it better. Within 15 years, this town went back, and no one knew where the hell they lived, basically. Very confusing. That sign is coming up and going down.

That is a lot here. So it was finally incorporated in 1899 here. And at the beginning of the 20th century, it was home to one of the world's largest wooden automobile steering wheel manufacturers. Oh. Steering wheels used to be wooden. Yeah.

They produced 65% of the world's wooden steering wheels in this town. Incredible. That's weird. What year? That's beginning of the 20th century, back when cars were first coming into fashion here. They had wooden steering wheels. They still left that wood insert in the wheel, too. It's cool.

After quite a while. Yeah, yeah. They were in there a long time. In the 40s and 50s, you still had a wooden quite a while. Yeah. Yeah. They were in there a long time. So forties and fifties, he saw that big deal. Yeah. Uh, reviews of this town.

Here we go. Only two of them, five stars. I grew up in this town and returned to this town shortly after my graduating from college. I love the small town and all of its uniqueness. You left to a university and came back to under 800 people where are you going to get a job with all that yeah all that college college for i love going to the grocery store or gas station and seeing almost everyone you know oh god it's a nightmare almost everybody in town

you gotta really buck up just to go to the gas station like what's gonna be i'm gonna have to talk to people to see everybody oh boy uh passers-by will ask hey how's your grandma oh no which if someone i don't know well goes hey how's your grandma i'm like hey fuck you what are you asking about my grandma for mind your business and me uh not well why you want to talk about it you fucking jerk they're both dead thanks for asking. And things like that. It is really a great place where people have your back. We look out for each other. What we lack in sheer numbers, we make up for with our big hearts.

Oh. So this is really, that's some small town stuff there. Sure enough. Here's three stars. Everyone knows everyone. Okay, that's the prevailing thing here, stars everyone knows everyone okay that's the prevailing thing here is everyone knows everyone uh and everything about them and everyone and their grandma and everything else yeah everyone knows everyone people very helpful people very helpful people in general are helpful

no work available have to travel 30 plus miles for good jobs. Well, yeah, you're in the middle of the woods. Excellent schools. Good sports program. Good place for outdoor men. Good fishing and hunting. Snowmobiling and cross-country skiing. Yeah, this is a place that if you live in Detroit, you come up here for the weekend in July. You know what I mean?

That's what it seems like. Things to do here, not not much we'll put it that way i mean outdoor i mean organized you can go snowmobiling and skiing and hunting and fishing they have a park here called our alicon park it is privately owned to maintain and it features gigantic weird sculptures like this one here check this out jimmy what is that that is a giant is that a blink it's a giant like copper red weird metal a blinken yeah it looks like uh the giant metal what was that what was that movie the giant metal giant yes yeah exactly i know what you're talking about but red instead of copper color yeah imagine if that was in phoenix the temperature of that thing

you wouldn't be able to get me within fucking 30 feet of it yeah oh jesus i can feel it cook hot dogs singe my eyebrows off so that's what there is to do here is to go to this park if you're not doing other stuff outdoorsy things uh it's open to the public and you can go sit there buy this weird lincoln and take a picture you'll never see another thing like it i'll give you that that's uniqueness like the person in michigan in michigan almost never didn't spend time there nope i think they're just like my favorite president people will recognize this i think is what it is people know who lincoln is that's that's pretty solid because you can mistake a lot of different people in history yeah that guy you can, you can't mistake. You can't mistake him.

Exactly. He's very unique looking and people just, they see the beard and they go, oh, that's Abe Lincoln. I know who that is. You just basically draw Frankenstein without the bolts. Without the bolts. Oh, that's Abe Lincoln. And make him kind of, Frankenstein's like thinner younger brother.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Make him alive. Yeah. So that said, let's talk about a murder here. All right. Oh boy, this is crazy stuff. So we got to go back in's talk about a murder here. All right. Oh, boy, this is crazy stuff. So we got to go back in time.

Not very far here. 2016. We're going to. OK, so every everything's the same. Same phone. Basically, same social media, same everything. Life is the same. We're going to talk about Heather Chantel Young.

So Heather Young, she's born February 20th, 1974. So she's 42 years old at this point in time in 2016. She's from Marshall, Michigan. She was born in Coldwater, Michigan. Her parents are Gail and David. And let's get into this a bit here. So she went to school in Coldwater. In 97, she married Jeff Cunningham. So she went to school in Coldwater.

In 97, she married Jeff Cunningham. So she was 23 years old. Married a guy named Jeff Cunningham. Then they ended up getting divorced later on, and she married another guy named Tom Young, and that ended in divorce as well. So one marriage in 97, one marriage in 2008. Both have divorces, which, I mean, Jesus, how many people do you know that are divorced twice? That's normal. Every 10 years?

At 42. That seems normal. Yeah, at 42, that's kind of just the way it is. That's just an adult life. Yeah. So she's lived in a few different places around Michigan here. She's born in Coldwater. They moved to Sherwood when she was a teenager. She also lived in Bronson and Athens.

She has three children okay at this point in uh 2016 she has two daughters who are 24 and 18 so one of them's like i think one of them has a kid of her own and everything like that um and 18 and then she has a son that's 11 so she has a 24 year old daughter at 42 yeah so yeah so that's she had like one at 18 so um everybody says she's a really nice person happy go lucky um everybody said she's like youthful you know what i mean she's not like a grumpy 42 is as we know this know, this is our age range here. So there's people who look and act 60, and there's people who look and act 30 at 42. It can go so far in either direction to where it's wild. I mean, there's people that I went to school with who look like they could be my parents. You know what I mean?

And there's people who look great. It's such a strange age that it goes back and forth. know what i mean and there's people who look great it's like such a strange age that it goes back and forth and then you have people who who uh feel like they're 65 uh and look fine like it yeah but uh can't fucking do it exactly i just i just can't go man that's tough too because she had one when she was 18 with kids so she's had you know a kid since she was 18 right and then had continuous younger kids and now her son is 11 so she's 42 going oh seven more years right so and i get to i get to try to enjoy myself at 50 at 50 which is a 30 year window of raising kids that's yes it's a long time that's she's been she's really career of raising children. That's retirement.

You should be able to retire with a pension for that. Full career. 401K should be fully realized at that point. Everything should be great. So she's very active. She likes to do swimming a lot. She likes to be outdoors as much as possible. She likes to read.

Karaoke's a big deal with her, as we'll find out. Karaoke will become her downfall as a matter of fact is that right you can say yeah um her friend said that she likes the kind of books that keep you sitting on the edge of your seat as you're turning the pages not knowing what's going to happen so she liked like a thrillers and you know stuff that a lot of mystery she'd probably like this podcast you know what i I mean? Suspense. Yeah, that's the thing. At that point in time, her friend said, we worked on puzzles together all the time, and she always loved to spoil my cat. So she's nice to cats, too. So that's good.

So she has a boyfriend in 2016. Hell yeah. His name is Terry Gary. What? Two first names. Terry Gary. Two awful ones together. Gary terry is a better first a better name is it terry gary terry is a bad name it's a bad name terry's bad gary's whatever

but gary terry terry sounds more like a last name than a first name i think yeah for a guy it's just a towel it's a towel yeah terry so terry gary is 58 years old. That's her boyfriend. So apparently she likes him a little older here. He's 16 years older than her. That's a lot. That's a good age difference here. Yeah, he was born in 1957. He's from Traverse City.

Traverse City. Traverse City. Yeah, Traverse City. Yeah, and he's, you know, he was in the Navy right after Vietnam. So different thing completely. He was in the Navy when she was like two. Yeah, they got fucking. Does he have kids?

Because otherwise they got nothing in common. No, they have kids. They have kids. And he enjoyed volunteering at the VA clinic, so the Veterans Administration Clinic in Battle Creek. And he liked doing outdoor shit. He liked working outside. For years, he worked as a mechanic. Oh.

So he's like a semi-retired mechanic that's pulling chicks 16 years younger than him. That's not bad. He must have some game. He must. Shoulders? He must have some game. That's all I can think. I mean, it's got to be.

Yeah, he must be like a rugged outdoorsy kind of guy or something. A man. Yeah. Yeah, grease under his fingernails and someone must like that. And the cracks of his hands. Oh, yeah, yeah. Lots of cracks. They look painful, but he says they don't hurt.

It feels good. It feels okay. Not bad. He's all right. He worked as a mechanic in a bunch of different shops in that area. And he also loved playing guitar. He's a good guitar player. Is that right? Yeah, he's been in bands and stuff like that.

Big passion for music, but he never pursued it as a career. He just, I guess, not seriously. He was a mechanic in Michigan. He knows how to do it. He'd play in a band on the weekends or something like that. So now she wanted to, Heather wanted to go visit Terry. He lives up by Onaway. So she wants to visit him.

And her father, David, Heather's father, said that Heather had been looking forward to the trip for weeks. It was a summer trip she was going on. And she was going to go for a few weeks, actually. Jesus. Yeah, she was very excited. She was going on, and she was going to go for a few weeks, actually. Jesus. Yeah, she was very excited. She was going to go up there and meet his adult daughter and spend time with her.

This was like a serious thing. We're really going to try to get a relationship cooking here and settled and cemented. So she gets to Terry's house in Onaway on july 14th 2016 that's what she does she's there about two weeks ish up until july 30th 2016 when heather was supposed to this is a big deal because his adult terry's adult daughter ally who lives up there with her husband and kids that was going to be their chance to get to know Heather and try to, you know, he's trying to get his daughter and family to like accept her into the family. Basically, Terry's trying to be okay with a lady who's 16 years younger than dad and

probably real close. That was going to say exactly, probably within a few years of, of Allie. And so that might've caused some consternation and now we're gonna yeah so apparently when she's there for a couple of weeks everything's going well until they start not going well um later on it said quote they had a tiff they had a big fight here um what uh well they say things weren't working out terry's daughter, Alicia, needed to have Terry and Heather leave. So apparently there was some they were arguing and then the daughter didn't want that in the house, I guess. So daughter told them, listen, you guys can't fucking stay here and argue like that's not going to work.

Which was it was the couple was fighting. Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry and Heather are fighting. it was the uh the couple was fighting terry terry gary terry yeah terry gary gary terry terry gary and heather are fighting okay so the daughter and her and her family are like i'm not having this here you know what i mean not we're not doing this this is i got kids in the house you guys gotta go i don't even know her you know what i'm saying and this is a first impression not a great first impression not that it's heather's fault but just, you know, this isn't working out at all. It's going poorly. So Terry ends up saying, okay, I'm on my daughter's side here.

You should leave. Rather than saying me and Heather are going to leave, he says you leave. She's right. Get out. She's right. Yeah, we shouldn't fight, which means you should leave. Yeah. So that's how it went. So Heather said. Yeah, we shouldn't fight, which means you should leave. Yeah. So that's how it went.

So Heather said, fine, I'm going home to my mother. Fuck you, basically. So she leaves and starts on a 300-mile journey home out of the house. Oh, boy. Six-hour ride. Yeah, it's a long one because it's, I mean, think about how big Michigan is from top to bottom. It's a big state. So, yeah, she says that. It's a long one because it's, I mean, think about how big Michigan is from top to bottom. And it's a big state. So, yeah, she says that.

So she leaves, takes off from Terry's house or from Terry's daughter's house. Now, she doesn't, she's got a 300-mile trip ahead of her. Yeah. But she stops. She makes a stop to hang out somewhere rather than just go down and keep going on the trip. She decides to go to a local bar and hang out. Oh. Which I don't know if she was upset and she needed to decompress and have a beer.

You know, many people have gone from a fight to a bar. Absolutely. That is not an uncommon progression of events of fuck that person. I'm getting a drink. You know what I mean? Yes. That's kind of why alcohol exists. So you might be.

That might be the main reason. I think it really is. I really do. Or like at the end of the day when you get home, you're like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Okay. I think that's what people need it for. Certainly.

So she stops at a place called the Cabin Bar and Grill. Okay. And it's called the Cabin Bar and Grill because it's literally a cabin in the woods. Hell yeah. You wouldn't know the difference between that and a cabin just in the woods. And whatever's next door to it. Because there's a sign. This is how you know it's the Cabin Bar and Grill. And the Michigan.

There's a Miller Lite neon sign in the window. Other than that, it's the same as the one next door and it flickers too so sometimes you don't see it yeah yeah so they said yeah that's how small it is here is that's the hot spot that's like you know you go into the bar tonight and that's the bar is in a cabin so a local uh police state police sergeant said quote safe place no trouble it's a decent place to get some good food and have some conversation with people, you know. OK, locals is what it is. So this this is a place where I feel like if you walked in and you're not a local, everybody turns around and looks at you.

Like, fuck, who's that? Is that a scooter? Is that your cousin? Is that your. No, I am. I'm Scooter's cousin. Whose cousin? No? He ain't even Scooter's cousin. Whose cousin are you? Whose cousin are you? Tell me the names of all your cousins right now.

Write them down. There's a whiteboard behind you. Run the family tree. It's a cousin. Yeah, that's our cousin board. We find out everybody's cousin relations, and then we talk about it. Yeah, they smell funny just keep drawing just draw sniff them if you want you feel good they ain't the non-toxic ones and for pussies

these are toxic very toxic those are extra toxic we got so yeah she she's going there and um she wants to go have a couple of drinks and And she had been to this place before with Terry. They've gone there for drinks. So she knew of it and was comfortable enough. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't know if I'm a single woman. Just honestly, as a single man, even I'm not going to some bar in some place.

I've never been before in the middle of the woods alone by myself. I don't know what goes on in there. It's going to sit down amongst all these people these people yeah you probably don't want me there and feel like i belong not a chance it's a little weird so yeah she goes up she's she hangs out and uh they say quote she had she just had a situation with terry where she was going to be leaving him and she had come in here before with him so she was comfortable here the bar so she also the reason why she stopped there also is because they had karaoke going on oh yep and they said that she's gonna sing a little ditty have a drink and then head on down the road because that'll clear your head though a couple of drinks and some karaoke

that'll definitely change your mood i would say unless you decide to sing that kid rock cheryl crow song gary terry shows up and sees her singing a duet with another guy oh no no she keeps that open for gary terry that's all it is she keeps it open and they sing fucking uh islands in the sun together but he sings the dolly and she said he sings it's weird she sings the kenny so uh they switch it up a little bit so the one police officer will later say she was a karaoke lover and was doing karaoke so having a good time talking to people uh that night though she apparently leaves the bar and is never seen again by anybody oh disappears but she she sang all of her songs and she hit the road yep she did her couple of songs she took off she did black velvet and then she left that's what it was i feel like that's

what that's what you do up there right that or some stevie nicks of some sort what is that hippie Stevie Nicks? Mountains flow and dress bullshit. White doves? What? I don't understand. There's smoke coming out. She's in the desert.

For some reason, she's fully. She's in like a long black dress in the middle of the desert. It's obviously hot. I don't know what the fuck she's doing. the middle of the desert it's obviously hot i don't know what the fuck she's doing so heather heather's family after not hearing from her for a couple of days knowing that she's on the way back on a 300 mile trip they report her missing okay gail her mother gail reports are missing and after a minute they end up they find her car and on a way in a parking lot oh so it was a found abandoned in a parking lot not away and one of the not in it no one of the cops said that it was in an odd location the way it was parked in the location it was in was just strange for a car to be there

that's why they looked at it and then it turns out that it connects to a missing person so they end up zeroing in on the cabin, cabin, bar, and grill, because that's where she was. The detective said, this is a small village. People know everyone. It's safe here. We're relatively crime-free. It's the woods. I mean, you know, what are you going to do?

There's nobody there. So anyway, they start talking to people about what happened to her. What'd she do that night she was in here? Who'd she talk to? They found out that she found a nice guy, a 55-year-old guy, to pour her heart out to. Have some drinks and talk to him. He was a guy named Brenton Lee Walker.

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Yeah. The bar owner, Danielle Starks, she said her and her boyfriend had gotten into a fight. She needed somewhere to stay. She came to the bar, had a few drinks. She's not going to get in the car and drive 300 miles after fighting, drinking, and karaoke. So she's basically stranded here and you can drive one of get your fill of one of those things but all three of them you ain't going nowhere no that karaoke puts you right over the top cop pulls you over there like i smell alcohol and you've been doing karaoke get out of the car get out the car right now you've been

doing karaoke i don't want to hear this shit smells a lot like evanescence in there i smell i smell enya coming off of you that's what i smell what is that taylor swift i smell something the fuck out of the car madonna did you sing material girl i feel like i i smell like a prayer off of you i don't understand smelling a little bit of b-52s on you were you voguing up there is that what happened did you love shack tonight did you i'd like to know so yeah danielle stark said that she was talking to cowboy brent, and Cowboy Brent said, well, I have an extra room. You can stay at my house. And everyone, well, that seems nice.

He's a good Samaritan here. What a guy. What a great guy. Yeah, he offers her a shoulder to cry on and an extra room in his cabin because it's all cabins. And it's late. It's late at night. She's had a few drinks. It's not like it's a private thing.

You want to come to my house? It's in a few drinks. It's not like it's a private thing. You want to come to my house? It's in front of everybody. Like I said, the bar owner heard them talking about it. There's no secrets in this town. How's your grandma? How's your grandma? It's on everybody's T-shirt. The detective would later say she agreed to go with Brenton to his house.

The next day, cowboy Brenton goes back. Cowboy Brent goes back to the bar and grill because that's where he hangs out. And, yeah, the Danielle Starks, the owner, said, we just sat down at the bar talking to these two ladies, and they were teasing him, you know, about maybe did you get some pussy or whatever. You took that young girl home. Yeah. they're two older ladies teasing him hey look at you cowboy brent got some fucking got some last night look at him he got some tail on him yeah that's right cowboy cowboy brent cowboy brent got done got himself a piece did you get pussy

you got pussy cowboy brent these ladies, by the way. Yeah. Two ladies. How's that? It's unbelievable. How's that with what you got last night? That was good? Ladies. Y'all get some stank on your hang down there, Cowboy Brent?

Yeah? All right. You wash that thing yet? Come here. Come here. Let me sniff it. They were teasing him about which a 55 year old guy left with a 42 year old in the town like this where i assume there's not different women around very often to fucking try to pick up at the bar that was you know

funniest goddamn thing i've ever heard that is amazing women razzing him that he may have gotten pussy may have gotten some ass. May have gotten some ass. The bar owner said he was all embarrassed about that. Yeah. Yeah, he was all embarrassed, and he said, no, no, no, that didn't happen. That didn't happen. Right. He said that he never even talked. They went home and went to sleep, and she was gone before he woke up in the morning.

Nice. Yeah, the bar owner said. He said, no, she left early this morning before I even woke up. So there was no hankanky panky. He said she just didn't steal anything or anything like that. So, you know, we call it a win. So the police obviously want to talk to Brent Cowboy Brent for sure. Last person to see her, obviously, in the house.

So they look into him a little bit just to see who he is. They find out he is a convicted felon, Cowboy Brent. Oh, is that right? Yeah. yeah. He was found guilty of fraud charges in 81 and also four misdemeanors in 1988, including assault with a dangerous weapon. So he's a liar and he assaults people. He's a liar and he's a bit physically aggressive apparently. Yeah. But that was also 88.

Great point. There's a lot. This is 20 years. 22 years was also 88. Great point. Yeah. There's a lot. This is 20 years. 22 years. That's at that point. So that's a, yeah, no shit.

That would be almost 28 years. Yeah. So there's a big difference between 55 and 27. That's a huge, monstrous difference of a human being. Entirely different guy. Yeah. So,

you know, they're, they're like, well, that's interesting, but doesn't mean he did did something so they just want to talk to him because he's the last person to see her so they the police this is the other odd thing in this case a lot of the investigation normally police when there's a like a missing person or especially if they think something is awry there's foul play, or somebody might have come to harm, they usually talk to people in person.

Yeah. You go, you talk to them, you knock on the door. Most of the time, if they think that they might have something to do with it, they don't even talk to them at the person's house. They tell them to come down to the station so they can set up how they want to do this. Rarely text. They just talk to people on the phone here. I don't know if it's so rural.

We'll just call him. It's far to go over to his house. It's a ride. I got his number. We can get him on the phone. I got his number. I mean, what are we talking about? So the police call him, and this is all recorded, obviously.

And he said it was all platonic. There was nothing weird going on this is the quote from a recorded call quote all we did was have some drinks that's it had some drinks and we talked it was mostly her talking that's it she was talking about him meaning terry gary yeah terry gary so she's just she's venting and then he did this and then where i got up there and i'm uncomfortable because it's him and his daughter. And then he takes his daughter's side, which is normal. So, um, so they, they talk a little.

So now they got to talk to Terry Gary. Cause they're like, hold on a minute here. This is a guy who just took her home from the bar and said she spent the night and everybody said it was fine, but she just fought with this guy. It's her boyfriend. So, and all she's doing is talking about this guy. That's, that's what I mean. This is,

this is a different story. Um, so he also said, this is, this is, uh, what cowboy Brent said, quote,

she was really afraid. And I don't know why she didn't want to go back. That's for damn sure. She didn't want to go back to his house and stay there. So there, the cops call Terry Gary. Call him, by the way. Call him.

This is the ex-boyfriend who just had a fight with a woman who's now missing. So he's a top suspect at this point. Crime. We'll give him a ring. You can't see body language. You can't see anything that way. Yeah. You don't know anything that he's doing at the moment. No. He could be jerking it. He could be whacking it at the time. You don't see anything that way. Yeah. You don't know anything that he's doing at the moment.

No. He could be jerking it. He could be whacking it at the time. You don't know. He could be cutting up a body while you're talking to him. You don't know. He could be cutting up this body you're talking about. So they asked him, they sit Terry Gary down, and they say, were you guys fighting?

And he said, no, I tried to. And they cut him off. Did you hit her? Yeah. And he said, I did not lay a hand on her which is a bad sign um so they said we're not going to find her in some pucker brush somewhere with your fingerprints all over pucker brush coming up again we're not going to find her in the hairs of someone's butthole are we like a dingleberry you know what i mean we're gonna see if she's in there hairs of someone's butthole, are we? Like a dingleberry, you know what I mean? Bend over.

We're going to see if she's in there. Let's look through your pucker brush, son. The pucker brush. The pucker brush. We're not going to find her in some pucker brush somewhere with your fingerprints all over. Yeah. All over her or the pucker brush? I didn't know pucker brush could hold a print, but maybe it could.

All over my pucker. All over my pucker brush. He said, quote, oh, God, no. I'm not that guy. I have three zero tolerances. You don't hit women, you don't rape kids, and you don't steal from me. What about raping women? No, no, no.

You don't hit women. You don't rape kids. You hit kids and you rape women. That's how it works. You steal from kids, not from me. You don't rape kids. You hit kids and you rape women. That's how it works. You steal from kids. You steal from anybody but me. See? Otherwise, I have a real specific trio of credos to live by, and those are the three.

The particular victims of certain crimes really hurts me. Yes. Now, if I hear a guy answer that, I'm looking at him he's my guy for sure yes they actually after that they don't consider him a suspect any longer he did say don't rape kids let's get out of here he said not to rape kids i feel like that's a fine gentleman and maybe we should listen to him i think he's telling the truth he doesn't hit women only kids he doesn't hit women. Only kids he doesn't rape. It's different for everybody but me. Everybody but me.

The reason they don't like Terry Gary for this is because there's just something off about Cowboy Brent that they don't know about here. And plus, I guess Terry Gary was with his daughter, and he had an alibi and all that kind of shit. He didn't go back out and then come home muddy with blood all over him at four in the morning or anything. Only thing he's guilty of is muddy crimes that he doesn't like. That he doesn't like. Don't like them. Holy shit. So they go back to Cowboy Brent here. They feel like he knows more than he's telling.

He's just like, yeah, we talked. Then we came home, went to sleep, woke up. She was gone. That's all he'll ever really say so they talk to him again and he says quote i don't appreciate i love when you're yeah when you're talking to homicide detectives and you start i don't appreciate like that's just funny to me like they don't appreciate some things yeah if you go to mcdonald's and they they fuck up your burger, you say, I don't appreciate ordering and waiting online and having to come in here and get it.

That's appreciate. You're in a homicide investigation. I don't appreciate saying no tomatoes and there's literally extra tomatoes. I don't appreciate that. I don't appreciate having to get a new burger without mayonnaise on it from you fucking people. I don't appreciate it. Now I don't trust it. He said, I don't appreciate the way you guys are coming

off with this and then and then uh to make me do it all over again and i'm repeating the same stuff to you that's how homicide investigations work i already did it once and i passed so i gotta go i'm done now only pass once meanwhile they want you to tell the story twice or three times then tell it backwards is how they usually do it that way they know if it's true or not, because you have to be a really good liar to tell a story backwards. Sure. He said that they said to him, I get that you're not happy having to talk to me.

You know, we're not. And then he cuts them off and he said, I'm not happy about the whole situation, to be honest with you. You know what? I'm hanging up and hung up on him. It's a call. It's a fucking call. You're going back.

No, we think he's our suspect they get him back on the fucking horn rather than going out to his goddamn house unreal that is wild to me you know we're gonna three-way this with terry too then you don't have that like the you have it on tape you don't have a recording but you don't have have the video of him being like, I'm leaving. I'm getting up and marching off. That looks bad. And they're less likely to do that in an interrogation room. So at that point, Detective Richard Rule, Dick Rule.

Dick Rule. I rule with my dick. Dick Rule, Dick. Old Dick Rule was convinced that Heather is not a missing person but instead just some harm has come to her. So they decide they're really going to focus

on this. The detective said quote, there was a lot going on inside Brenton. That's a weird way to put it. How do you know? He was on the phone. I could just tell. i got a phone intuition i used to do telemarketing back in the day and i could just tell when someone's ready to buy you know what i mean and he was ready to buy this murder all the time all the time the top sales did it from home it's easy so he said and all of that

came out to bear in the summer of 16. So they go, they get a search warrant somehow. I don't know how they get a search warrant based on, based on, I guess she's a lot. That was the last place she was seen. So they get a search warrant. It's at his trailer and he stays quiet the whole time, but they look at it. And right away, said quote we had found the firearm they found a gun which he lives in the woods in michigan though i assume a lot of several yeah there's literally wild animals to contend with out there yeah so you know he said there was a significant amount

of her blood found in the trailer that's another oh my god that's a that's a huge problem that's not you know what i don't appreciate it. I don't appreciate y'all coming in here finding dead people's missing women's blood in my trailer. I don't appreciate it. We don't appreciate how much is here. Then they go outside. Right outside his front door, he's got a burn pit. Uh-oh.

And, yeah, they're sifting through the ashes, and they start finding buttons, like from clothes. Then they find pieces of jewelry as well. Uh-huh. Then they find some bones. Oh, boy. Yeah. And the detective said her ex-husband still had that leather necklace with cross, and we saw that picture, and we find the cross and the fire remains oh shit yeah we know it's hers we know it's a picture of it yes exactly it's we got a picture of and i think they

her and her husband have matching matching ones exactly matching chokers so she they were like well that's the one yeah so they're like interesting um they said that this is a detective this is dick rule again dick rule terry gary cowboy brent this is a detective. This is Dick rule again. Dick rule, Terry, Gary, cowboy Brent. This is quite the crew we got going on here. What a group. What a group. He said it was the only firearm in the house we found. That seemed to be a trigger because you could see in his face.

Like once they found the gun, he was like, well, I'm fucked at that point. Like he knew it was over. Wow. If you, if you killed somebody with that gun he knows they're gonna match it up i'm sure he's seen fucking csi by this point in his life so he said that the cop said you could see it in his face like okay now they've got the gun they've got the case all these people are walking around in booties and whatnot because now it became a forensic suits yeah um so that's when i think he really started to sink in with him.

So the detective puts him in handcuffs at this point. Sure. Yep. And the detective said he was going to trust me. I was going to tell him exactly what was going on and I was going to try to gain that confidence in him that the best we could bet that the best thing to do was to confess. that the best thing to do was to confess. Sure. So I had this guy. I could sit him down now and go, listen, you really want to confess, obviously. This looks bad and blah, blah, blah. It's going to get worse if you say no now. Yep.

So they're talking to him. By the way, this is not normally how they do this. Normally they would now take him down to the interrogation room at a police station. Instead, he's sitting outside of his house, and another detective captures it on cell phone video cell phone video this is world star world star murder confession bitches what's up well a man's just like stirring a burn pit yeah i fucking killed her burned her up world star motherfucker like in the background what's going on what is this this is insane yeah it looks like it's the weirdest thing so on this though they do they're talking to him and he said at one point he just said quote it just fucking happened

i snapped he comes out with that he just bursts out just Just fucking happened. I snapped. Cowboy. Yeah. So they were like, okay. He goes, yeah, she needed to fucking see you to place to stay. And he said that this something about her touched a nerve off and reminded him of ex girlfriends he's had. And then just snapped. Yeah. He said, quote, no woman will ever in my life try to do something like that to me again. She didn't do anything to him. Nothing.

Other people did. And he just he just projected it all onto her. Wow. So this is what he said. Quote, this is his excuse. OK. Yeah. She kept talking about her ex-boyfriend, her boyfriend situation and blaming the boyfriend,

blaming the boyfriend blaming the boyfriend and this according to him it said it just brought up a rage inside of him because he felt that women he had been with before had blamed him he was mad for terry gary i'm gonna defend his honor tonight because i that guy. This is how women were. This is how my exes would talk to people about me, probably. So he sees himself in the argument. And sees her as all of his exes. Defending himself is the same as defending Terry.

Terry Gary. And then burn her up. That's the one. Yep. Wow. He said this, quote, and she came in and started doing that right off the bat. Yeah, she just left. And that's all they were talking about at the bar, and he was being all friendly.

But then once they get in the house, then she's not allowed to talk about it anymore. It's a strange thing. Yeah. And it just triggered something. I didn't plan it. And it just triggered something. I didn't plan it. All I did, walk out in the front room, straight to the gun, got it, and shot her in the fucking leg. In the leg?

She tried to hobble. She came in right away, blaming the guy. My wife did that to me, and it wasn't right, and it wasn't true. I got the chainsaw, and I cut her up. Who? Heather, not the wife. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I wanted her to pay like I paid for what my wife did to me. I wanted her to pay like I paid for what my wife did to me. Did your wife chop you up with a chainsaw? But was she, so was she dead already or what? No, he shot her in the leg. Yeah. Then, this is the fucked up part. He said that, and there's some proof of this, he tried to patch up the wound on her.

It was like a shut the fuck up shot in the leg. So he was like, I'll help you with your gunshot wound. So she maced him. She fucking pepper sprayed him. Yeah. Because, obviously, he just shot her. For Christ's sake. I wouldn't want, you're going to help me now?

Fuck you. Right. So at that point, he decided shot her, for Christ's sake. I wouldn't want, you're going to help me now? Fuck you. So at that point, he decided to shoot her in the chest. Yeah. Oh. So the detective said, I don't know if he was going to kill her, but he then decides to repair her wounds and everything's going to be okay and take her to the hospital. And then things go again and take a turn. He's like, I'm sorry. I'll just blah, blah, blah. Tell him like, he's like, I'm sorry. We're all just bubble ball.

Tell him it was an accident. So he says this, this is cowboy Brent. She came outside when I realized she came outside, came out here, shot her in the fucking chest. Knowing I was going to kill her. I had no choice then. It was already the point of no return. It was already no point of return. So even fucked that up actually is what he said he then said that he shot her again like we said and then placed her in the i cut her up with a chainsaw and then placed her in the fire

and let her burn for 18 hours oh jesus 18 hours of burning her. Of burning. Yep. He's just sitting there smoking cigarettes, talking about this. And he said the fire was going. And I remember putting her in the fire because I wanted her to still pay. This is extra. Murdering and chainsawing Scarface in a tub style. She's long gone. And we're still. Still has to pay.

Enacting retribution. Yep. Still going to pay. It wasn't enough. Oh, and we're still has to pay an acting retribution yep still gonna pay that's not wasn't enough wanted her to pay um that is wild so he said he left her bleeding body in the pit for 18 hours um they said this is the detective quote the body's burning he comes back removes the body and proceeds to use a chainsaw so this is he he was like wait a second burning isn't good enough i'm gonna pull off a charred corpse and chainsaw this poor woman also and then throw the parts back in oh my god yeah he was like that a whole chicken you know you part it out it cooks quicker that's what he was thinking it's a fucking crazy person so um he said quote i was still pissed off the next day this is cowboy brett couldn't do enough to get her still mad no still angry took her over there and cut her up

fucking dumped her like a piece of fucking meat because that's what i was treated like and that's what she was treating this person like and i don't give a fuck what he was doing he might have done every bit of that but where the fuck was your part he's unbelievable he's upset that she wasn't taking personal responsibility for you know her part in the relationship so rather than yeah yeah you know i don't know say that or just ignore it and let somebody run off at the mouth because they're having a problem with the relationship he goes fuck, fuck that. This is my whole life. I have to take her apart. That is crazy.

And I don't give a fuck what he was doing. He might have done every bit of that. That's crazy. Even at finish line, he's not done yet. He can't. Zero release for him. And then he does all that. He's still mad.

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or on Apple Podcasts. Yeah, the cop said, it's not human. I know that is what he said about what he did. Truth. So then he said, the detective said, quote, he said, I'll take you to where her body is. And he led us right to that location where the remains of it was because it didn't burn up all the way. So, yeah, he apparently had loaded her body onto his ATV and transported her deep into some woods into a field near an electrical tower. He's what he did.

So the detective said they have trails back there. There's water back there. Nobody knows you're there. It's a perfect place for that type of situation. That is fucking disturbing so um yep he leads them through a bunch of tall grass and go right to where he left her and a bunch of different burn charred pieces good fuck man and then he described what he did again and why again because he likes talking about it he doesn't mind as we'll find out so it's it's crazy they said he said quote so just inside the woods a little bit and you'll probably smell her you'll probably find

the parts he thinks that this is okay right yeah yeah he's like well we'll get this out off the books quick and then i'll go on with my life here's the thing it wasn't necessarily per se a murder it was more she deserved it. I mean, yeah, I was exercising a demon, if you will. And my First Amendment rights, which is right to fair trial, I mean, speech or something. I got some kind of rights. That I do. And I was mad.

So it's my right to do it. To be mad. And then, you know, it's every American's right to chop someone up with a chainsaw once in a while that is unbelievable he's an interesting cat here so the detective said we found the remains of heather young charred and burned cut up with a chainsaw a whole body there there's probably 10 or 12 pieces good christ yep um he said then the detective said he had been trying to tell people i guess recently that he had visions of burning people lighting people on fire and quote and i enjoyed it he would tell people he had visions of himself lighting people on fire and enjoying it he's been telling people this in the weeks yeah and i believe had we not caught him at the at that time

that this could have happened again. Yeah. If he got away with it, fuck yeah, he was going to do it again. Yeah. Then he said this. This is Cowboy Brent. Like I said, I just went through it with my wife. She's lucky she's not around because she's on my list. She was next.

On my, I have a death list. She was next. If this couldn't get worse, I got plans. I got other shit to do. My ex is coming next. This was like a dry run, an idea for his ex-wife. Like, oh, if this all worked out, I'll just do the same thing to her. Fuck her.

Here's a woman that annoys me. I'm going to do this again. Wow. So, yeah, she'd been shot twice twice with a 22 caliber rifle then set on fire then dismembered then burned again and then dumped oh my god so they said that yeah obviously this is a horrible thing there's a little reaction here her father this is heather's father david he said quote she was a good woman she liked everybody she was never mean to a

stranger why does this creepo have to go out and shoot my daughter i can tell this is a nice man because he said creepo not motherfucker or piece of shit or cunt-faced shitball or there's a imagine the string of expletives i would come up with or you would come up with before this it would be remarkable. Creepo? Creepo. Like, that's a nice guy that that's the worst he'll say is creepo. Wow.

Sweet man. Then he said this. Again, nice guy. That jerk killed my daughter. Jerk? I want to cook him dinner. When someone cuts you off a little bit in traffic, you go, look at this jerk. That's a jerk.

You know what I mean? That's a jerk. If somebody starts to come over and then they see you and then they go over, you're like, what are you doing, you jerk? look at this jerk that's a jerk you know what i mean that's a jerk somebody starts to come over and then they see you and then they go over you what are you doing you jerk look at this jerk yeah uh sanuzi was a jerk our lift rider to that restaurant that time he was a jerk he was just he was the guy people going hey get out of the way jerk the fuck man dismembering your daughter this is a this is a nightmare this guy's a real piece of shit he took your child from you forever and did unspeakable shit wow creepo jerk creepo jerk um what a nice man that he probably is david dentler's his name ah poor guy feel bad

for him um he don't even realize what he destroyed um How about my daughter's kids, what they're going through? She's got an 11-year-old. Yeah. I mean, not that that's any better for the 18 or the 24-year-old, but an 11-year-old needs their mom. You know what I mean? Yeah. We have to bury her. Where are we going to?

I'm on a fixed income. People have no concern for other people's lives at all. He's saying I can't afford to bury her. What am I going to do? That is crazy. That's fucking horrible. And he should never have to. No.

This should never be a problem for him. No, no. Heather should have to worry about burying him. That's how it works. Not the other way around. So this is disturbing. And that's the real. Not only do you have to worry about, oh my God, my daughter's dead.

What are we going to do with her children and help them? And what can we do for them to make them feel better and make us feel better? But oh my God, we can't afford to even put her in the ground. What are we going to do?

I can't even, yeah. To have to try to find money at that point too is unbelievable. I can't even put the woman to rest. Wow, those poor people. He said, my daughter was a giver. She was a giver, not a taker. When she came here, she would say, dad, do you need anything?

Dad, do you need anything? So, yeah. They were able to identify her by her tattoo and DNA from her parents to match her up there. So they asked the cops, what about this? So Michigan State Police Lieutenant John Grimshaw says this. This is a Grimshaw. up there so they asked the cops what about this so michigan state police lieutenant john grimshaw says this this is a grimshaw you want to talk about a grim he should be called grim quote is what he should be called quote it can happen anywhere it really doesn't matter where you live unless maybe you're on the moon and there's no one else who lives there with you crime happens

up here and it's just the nature of people being people what the fuck damn lieutenant grim holy shit less than you're all alone on the moon it's gonna get you unless you're on the moon someone's gonna try to stick it in you like wow this is a thanks lieutenant really emphasizing the grim feeling good now holy shit so they said they've charged him but they said that you know any any more information Emphasizing the grim. Feeling good now. Holy shit. So they said they've charged him, but they said that, you know, any any more information anybody has, they'd love to have it and bring more charges if possible. They said we've had several tips to this point in the investigation and most didn't pan out. We're always looking for people who may have something to add, which could strengthen our case or help lead to more charges. add which could strengthen our case or help lead to more charges at this point he's charged with first degree murder a felon in possession of a firearm and two counts of use of a firearm

and commission of a felony and faces up to life in prison without parole if convicted there's no desecration of a human corpse in michigan new charge added after that he's arraigned on his four original charges including the premeditated murder as well as a new felony charge uh charge disinterment and turnment and mutilation of a corpse there you go there's gotta be some sort of say you can't just do that and have that be willy-nilly and just classify that as the same thing as a drive-by shooting they're entirely different that's fucking crazy um then we go to court now it really gets crazy you think it's been oh wait till you hear what he says in court

oh it's been interesting so far yeah it's beyond awful it's you can't even who the fuck would do this you really everyone that is listening to this is going to want to go to michigan line up and kick this guy in the balls like he's an awful man so he goes to court and he decides first he pleads not guilty to everything then he decides to plead guilty to second degree murder oh they're gonna let a presentation of himself yeah they're gonna let him plead guilty to second degree murder and they're gonna drop most of the other charges uh on that in exchange okay he says you know because they say you have to say guilty and whatever and he says guilty i shot heather young twice burned her in a fire pit and cut her up with a chainsaw second degree and they said he's like yeah you weren't lying about

guilty was your son holy shit all of this yeah and then he said august 2016 out in millersburg rainy lake road my brother's property he did it on his brother's property not even dick not even your own property no yeah they don't know my brothers so sentencing this is before sentencing this is outside the court uh her mother's mother speaks out here. And this is Gail. And she says she misses her daughter, obviously. He says that she says, quote, it kills me. It tears my heart out. And I have a really hard time at times.

So they said some closure might happen with the sentencing and all that sort of thing. She said, though, she's going to read a victim statement, an impact statement. She said, I would just like to tell him that it's in God's hands, she said. So that's what she said. She said, quote, he made, I guess, when he pled guilty and admitted to everything, everybody was shocked in court that he just said what he did. She said, he made it sound as if he was killing a rat. He didn't care what he said. He didn't care what he did.

The details that he'd done, they were pretty graphic,. He didn't care what he said. He didn't care what he did. The details that he'd done, they were pretty graphic and he didn't care. Right. No shit. She does say that she hopes she can find, she thinks she can find

some forgiveness in her heart here. Really? She said, it's hemming and hawing. Some moments I want to forgive him and yet I don't. I know I've got to forgive him. That's what she said. she's if she's a

religious person that's part of it it's part of your whole deal she said i hope it's our final last leg hopefully there's going to be no more about him so sit there in prison and whatever may be may be she's hoping this will be closure and she'll be able to put it aside instead he puts some stank on it and really fucking makes it way worse okay during sentencing the prosecutor said quote his actions were probably some of the most egregious actions by a perpetrator against a victim that i have experienced in my 40 some years of legal experience yes i would say so heather's family speaks out here this is is Heather's mother. Quote, I have to see a psychologist or something like that. I have to go to a grief group as well.

I'm on medication for dealing with losing my daughter to your cold-hearted, senseless, murderous act. I have nightmares about her dying, how she suffered until her death, and how you killed her, and what she probably felt in all that was coming right up to the moment of her death. Okay. She then says that she hopes something horrible happens to him in prison. Yeah. She says, quote, I hope you live in misery and pain for the rest of your life and you will be every prisoner's little Susie. Oh, I hope you get raped a lot.

Little Susie, wake up. Take it, Little Susie. I'd love them to play the song while they do it, too. Just line up and play the song. I hope you are every prisoner's Little Susie. Little Susie. Good for you, lady. Then she clarifies in case he didn't understand what she meant, which is my second favorite.

They push prisoner penis in your asshole a lot. Almost. The nice person in court version of that. She says, meaning. I love that. Have you heard of an Eiffel Tower? Meaning, I hope you'll be very popular in the shower with all the guys. That is amazing.

Good for you, lady. Good for you, Gail. I love Gail. I love her. Her family seems like really good people here to me. They seem like normal people. Normal people. Normal. I love her. Her family seems like really good people here to me. Like they seem like normal, normal people. Normal. I wanted to clarify that, too.

Yeah. I wanted to keep clarifying. In other words, something like white tear rolls down your thigh. I'd like one man to hold you down while another knocks all your teeth out. So it's easier for them to fuck your face. While this is happening, I'd like a line of men behind you to just give you the business. Just no lube, full bore. That's what I'm looking for.

What I mean is... To clarify. In case I'm unclear. I hope they plunger your shit until you don't shit straight. You know what I mean? Do you get it? They can link them to make a new hole and fuck you there. That's what I'd like.

That's what I'm looking for out of this. I want her to keep clarifying until the judge says, ma'am, I'm sorry. Jesus, ma'am, this is a court of law, for God's sake. I'm going gonna have nightmares tonight oh my god that's amazing he then he's standing there smirking the whole time so she's getting more pissed off yeah he says she says he's standing there with a smirk on his face this is this is not right and they need to get the death penalty back into michigan i know i'm going to need to forgive him and i'm going to have to forgive him from the bottom of my heart, but not today.

Yeah. Today I want him to get raped. A lot. A lot. All day. By terrible people. So her dad comes up on the stand now. Imagine being this guy.

Imagine this is your daughter. You'd fucking want to rip him apart with your bare hands this is also the guy that says creepo and jerk what does he say he says quote i wanted to kill him so bad i can't hardly sleep at night thinking about my daughter that's what he said wow then heather's daughter laurie the 24 year old loses her shit in court and just starts yelling about him and get him the fuck he's a fucking monster get him out of here starts losing to where they have to like drag her out of court and they were talking about bringing up they were talking about

will charges be filed against her like it's called you can't bring a person in to talk about their dead mom and yell at the guy who's saying fucking i'm happy about cutting her up with a chainsaw and expect her to have some you know know, comport herself in an elegant fashion, she's going to be pissed. It's also freedom of speech. Yeah, well, in a court, that's not the street. Up to and including. I mean, you can't threaten, but you can say a lot of things.

You can if it's a victim impact statement. Yeah, you can say a lot of things. But I mean, she was like freaking out, losing it and cursing and stuff. So I don't know i don't blame her good for you i don't either her ex husband gets up here jeffrey cunningham her first husband here i think uh was that the second one no i think it's the second i think uh i think it's the first actually maybe she said maybe he said that um during all this by the way walker's laughing to himself to cowboy brunt's laughing yep this is jeffrey cunningham

the ex-husband she he said quote he said he's happy now i would i would be happy to take him out if you would let me and i hope wherever he goes you know they might do that for me so they want to kill him everyone wants to kill him um the daughter said get rid of this man my mother was never a whore and then the officers dragged her out of the courtroom because she was screaming and yelling he has no remorse at all check this out no okay they get him up there and they say anything to say for yourself and he says i absolutely do i did this on behalf of all divorced men everywhere pretty much he said quote i'm by no means sorry about what i did jesus he said well now when I was given the opportunity to follow through with something that I've known for some time I'm capable of doing, it felt great. I feel vindicated because of it.

I've never felt better in my life. What the fuck, man? The fact that it happened to this particular individual was because number one she reminded me a lot of my ex-wife and other women i've been with a liar and a whore so yes i'm not sorry i have nothing to be sorry about holy he said that to a judge who's about to sentence him yeah the judge said oh yeah that's what mercy on me now you sir may sir, may fuck off. He should have said, I sentence you to the parking lot with her ex-husband, father, and anybody else they know that might want to take a few shots in on this shit. Whatever's left is getting raped. Well, then we're going to rape your corpse.

We're just going to put it in prison and say, anybody want to rape this lump of shit before it gets too cold? The judge says he's- We says microwave it a couple times who cares just for the third and fourth warm it up put an electric blanket on it i don't give a shit you sir may fuck off 45 to 70 years for the murder and two years for the firearms charge so with this he is sentenced to before he can parole, he has to do at least 47 years. Oh, shit. At 55, that would make him 102 years old before he's up for parole. Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen.

And also, with all that raping he's going to endure. He might fall in love with it. He might love it. The prosecutor said, in this instance, we felt that getting a sentence on the minimum, which is going to well exceed any possibility of parole, was just as good as taking the risk of trial determination that might not achieve that result. Plus, you save the family the trauma of a trial. Yeah, imagine if he got to sit on the stand and talk about forgetting. He would have relished of going on the stand and just talking about it.

He's a problem while he pleads guilty. Fuck, man. Yeah, I mean, well, he's getting sentenced when you're supposed to be nice. So dad, again, here, this is Heather's dad said she was decapitated. You know that stuff.

He butchered her. That's the only thing I picked up. Uh, he said no conscience. He doesn't have no conscience the way he was, uh, sitting with his body. And,

uh, mom said it was really hard. I mean, uh, I mean, you don't know. You have no idea how bad I wanted to walk across that room and do something horrible to him. And these are nice people.

So that's, you know. And the detective said he walked around the scene and pointed out where certain things had taken place. I did not expect. I did not expect that. And I thought he was going to at least say he was sorry and that he had a lot going on in his mind or something to that effect. But nope. By the way, 2018, Terry Gary dies. Oh, is that right?

Yeah. So that relationship wouldn't have gone too much farther anyway. But two years to go. Two years. He died at 60. Old cowboy Brent here, though, is he's in he's definitely in prison. He is at the Charles L. Eggler Eggler reception and guidance center

apparently um his earliest release date is uh august 8th 2063 yeah so they're gonna hang on to him for a bit here uh 5 10 172 pounds little guy older and got a mouth on him i feel like he's not gonna do great in prison uh no he's not gonna do very well with that a mouth on him i feel like he's not gonna do great in prison uh no he's not gonna do very well with that fucking mouth on him they're gonna fuck that mouth his uh his mdoc number is 494890 and his sid number is 1205202x now if you you if you for some reason think this guy this guy has the balls to do this he has an inmate inmate aid.com account where you can you know give him money because obviously you want him to be comfortable in there oh my this guy is a piece of shit and i want him using powdered soap

so badly yeah i want him using bottom i want him to use nothing paper towels to dry off with in the shower i don't want him having a single luxury i want him to see ramen and go man the decadence that's what i want i want him to have to to chew a brillo pad to brush his teeth that would be great that's that's how much of a piece of shit this guy really wanted to have nothing this guy really sucks so there you go everybody there's on awaythe-way Michigan. Oh, boy. Holy shit, what a bad guy. It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard.

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