Small Town Murder - #5 - A Murder For Greed in Eaton, Ohio

Episode Date: February 15, 2017

This week, we check out the old fashioned town of Eaton, Ohio, where a man's sudden disappearance leads to an investigation that uses some crafty police work to get a confession in the case. This concludes with a gruesome discovery, that was right under everyone's nose, the whole time. Along the way, we find out exactly how important pork is to the local community, where all the manufacturing jobs have gone, and just how much does an oil drum filled with concrete, and human remains weigh? Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It all sucks. Everything sucks. And you know what? Even if it doesn't suck, we're going to find a little bit of comedy in it anyway. And it's the best way to fucking digest something so horrific. And that's, yeah, we make fun of the perpetrator. We make fun of if there's a kind of a system in place that is lousy. We make fun of that.

And that's what we're making fun of. It's never the victim. It's never the crime. It's literally just the surrounding things. So if that sounds good to you, we are excited to have you on board. Yeah, welcome and stick around. Stick around. Because this is going to be you, we are excited to have you on board. Welcome and stick around. This is going to be fun.

We'd love to have you aboard, but we, this is the way we like to present this information. I would love to have them too. I would love to have them enjoy this, but unfortunately they don't have the ability for fucking joy. Now, some people, some people,

some people just find anger. That's a problem. There's funny. And I choose not to be around those people, and I hope that they choose not to be around me. That would be the best case scenario. But you never know. So here we are. Here we are.

We have a great, great story for you tonight. Not everybody go away. No, please stick around because really, you're going to miss the fun. You're going to miss the fun. We're going to have fun. Here we go. Yeah, don't miss the fun. We are headed to Eaton, Ohio. All right. Ooh, Eaton, Ohio. Sounds beautiful. The Paris miss the fun. You're going to miss the fun. We're going to have fun. Here we go. Yeah, don't miss the fun. We are headed to Eaton, Ohio.

All right. Oh, Eaton, Ohio. Sounds beautiful. The Paris of the Midwest, Eaton, Ohio. Zip code 45320 in case you get any mail from there. Also, keep an eye out for the 937 area code. That is Eaton, Ohio. All right.

This is a nice little town, actually. It's in the southwest corner of Ohio. It's the county. It's in Preeble County. It's in the southwest corner. Not. It's the county. It's in Preeble County. It's in the southwest corner. Not far, but it's on the western border, on the Indiana border. Okay. On the side there. It's an old-fashioned community, would be the best way I could put it. It feels

like, from everything I've read, everything I've seen, it feels like the land that time forgot. It's the part of Ohio that fucks up every election. Oh, they do. They do big time. We'll get into that. We'll get into that. I just had a picture of them going to the polls and fucking everything up on purpose. That might be the case. But there's the town motto we have here. The town motto is, quote, a rural community growing into the future. So they're admitting they're rural, which is fine.

They don't seem to be growing into the future. They seem to be receding into the past from what I get out of this. But it's a small town, 6.20 square miles. So very small little town. That's the whole town? That's the whole town. Just a small little area. It's about an hour to Cincinnati.

So it's in that area. It's almost four hours to Cleveland. That's up by the lake. This is down in the southern part of it. It is founded in 1806, Eaton, Ohio. It's an old town named after General William Eaton. Oh. A national hero.

No, I've never heard of him. He did some things in Tripoli, and it was literally some military things from back then. I have no idea. It was from the 1700s, this guy was. Unless you're George Washington or Paul Revere, we don't know shit about you. I'm sorry. If you're overseas, you know even less, so don't worry about it. The only reason I know anything about George Washington is I was forced to.

You were forced to. And I was born on the same fucking day as him. Hey, look at you. Two great men. Two great men. Yeah, two wonderful men. In 1849, by that time, the town had 1,000 people. Okay?

It was growing. It was mostly agricultural. It took 40 years for them to get. Well, I mean, back then, that was, the town had 1,000 people. It was growing. It was mostly agricultural. It took 40 years for them to get. Well, I mean, back then, that was a decent town back then, 1,000 people. Yeah, I guess. This had 1,000 people. It's mostly agricultural, too. I mean, it was rural.

I mean, unless you were on a farm, there was really no reason for you to be there. This is pre-industrial revolution type of thing. What are they growing? I don't even know what they were growing back then. I'm going to assume corn. I don't know what they grew back then. Isn't there corn up there? Because it didn't last long. Because there was a big cholera outbreak. Oh, fantastic.

In 1849. Half the town fled. Really? Half the town fled cholera. 500 people were like, fuck this. And of the remaining 500, 140 people died. Wow. So it was a, that's a big chunk of the town's population. No traffic. Yeah, that knocked them.

No horse and buggy traffic. Horse and buggies, you can stay to the right. No one's going to bother you. No more horse shit on the roads. Absolutely not. So, yeah, now they're down to less than 300 people or 300-something people, 350 people. Collar wiped out 70% of the town, whether they moved away or died. They had a big fire downtown in June of 1859, destroyed most of the businesses. I think they said 13 or 14 businesses, which was pretty much all of them back then. I mean,

it's, you know, 1800s, not a lot going on. Even scorched the courthouse, which I guess you could see for decades and decades. Awesome. Scorched courthouse there, which is interesting. A little bit of history here. Let's get into everything else, the population, all that good stuff here. I love that. That's my favorite part of this. population, all that good stuff here. I love that. That's my favorite part of this. I do, too. I like finding out about the people. That's the good stuff.

That really just describes and lets you know how somebody grew up and what they came from. It's about 8,400 people, basically. About 8,400. Very small town. It's one of these places that it's the type of place where you would see on TV where they have like little parades, you know, where like the VFWs marching down the street and throwing candy at the kids. Like that's the type of town.

Shriners are definitely in it. Yeah. It's really like an old fashioned type of town. It's rural. All the houses look a certain way. The main street area looks a certain way. It's really like the land time for God. And I'll tell you why, too, as we get into the economy and stuff of it, and then we're

going to get into murder. But the people in this town, the town has not grown really since the year 2000. It's pretty much stayed stagnant population-wise. Not a lot of people flocking to the Midwest since then. There's more males than females, 52% to 48%. That would help explain why. You know, pretty average in terms of age. There's slightly more kids than average, slightly less people about 35 to 60 years old than average.

So I don't know where they're going. Racial breakdown, 96.14 percent white. That is very white. Super white. Super white. 62 percent is the national average. So that gives you a third more white than national average. Fascinating.

0.71% black. Not even a 1%. Couldn't break a percentage. 12%. No, it's about 12.25% is the average. 1.25% Asian. Not a lot of Asians there. 0.49% Hispanic.

About 17% is the average. Less Hispanics than black. Yes, less Hispanics than black people. It says here, quote, 99.51 non-Hispanic. That is pretty non-Hispanic. When you lump those Asians and those black people in there, it jumps another half percent. It's really funny. Once again, this is episode five right now.

And this is our fourth town. None of these towns have any Mexicans or any Jewish people. As we'll get into, they have 0.0% Jewish in the religion. Add some Jews. It gets safe. If you live in a small town and there's no Mexicans or there's no Jewish people, just hide because you will be killed. You're going to be killed. It's just the way it is.

This is just from the research we've found so far. And you know what? This is from the research we've found so far. And you know what? The whole blacks and Mexicans and that whole racist movement of people, those are the ones that are causing the problems. Clearly fucking not. No. Not here anyway. Based on our podcast, fucking not.

We'll get into who causes the problems here today, but it's definitely someone close to the victim. Okay. The religion in this town, it's only 31% of the people are said to be religious here, which is very low compared to national averages over 49%. So that is super low. And it's the lowest one we've had so far in our small town here. It's basically different sects of Christianity. Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and other Christian are all the top ones. Well, when cholera wipes out almost your entire town, you tend to go, fuck God.

Yeah, they're like, you know what? Never mind God here. We don't need God. We do not need God. We have farming. The survivors were just fed the fuck up with God. We're going to have a parade instead. Yeah, 0% Jewish, 0% Muslim.

So nobody from anywhere in the Middle East and anywhere in here. Voting here, basically, it's 67% Republican, which is about 30 points higher than the national average. Jesus. 31 percent Democratic, which is about almost 20 points lower than the national average. So they're definitely – it's a conservative town, we'll call it. Definitely a conservative town. Conservative but not religious, which is fascinating. That's the odd thing.

It's conservative in the fact that – and we'll find out exactly why when we get into the economy in a second of why it's a little more conservative and why it's old fashioned also in that same way. Basically cost of living, if we say 100 being the average cost of living as we do in the show, 100 is the average. Eaton is an 84. So it's less expensive than your average place. The big thing is the utilities are a little more expensive, but everything else is pretty much average. The housing is cheap there. Housing is a 54 out of 100. Oh, goodness. It's about half the average expense for a house. Median house cost in Eaton is $99,600. That's pretty decent. It's decent. It's about half the average. $185 is the national average. A little bit more than an Escalade. Yeah, that not – yeah, that's not a bad price. And these are nice homes too.

That's the weird part. It's like they're nice homes. Ohio has some cool architecture. A lot of them are old. Right. That's why a lot of them are like 1800s. Very colonial. Yeah, colonial, Victorian-ish. Not Victorian, but they're three-story houses with the window in the attic and all that kind of thing.

Lots of pillars. Front porch. Yes. That sort of stuff. Yeah. That's what we're talking about here. Yeah. Front porch.

Yes. That sort of stuff. That's what we're talking about. Family time. Yeah. In the last five years, the average home appreciation across the U.S., you know, gaining value, is 16%. In Eaton, it is negative 7.22%. Wow. Their housing prices are not going well there.

That's terrible. But I think that has to do with a lot of Ohio also. I think that's one of those things. A lot of people leaving. Now, here's some stuff here if you are interested in moving to Eaton, Ohio. Here's the Eaton real estate report here for you. The average two-bedroom apartment in Eaton is $676 a month. Very affordable. Very affordable. The average nationally is $1,027. So that's not bad. 50% of the houses there are valued between $80,000 and and fifty thousand dollars so they're all in this they're all in this little you know this window of average yeah

it's a very like middle class this is the most middle class community you can find right here it's one of those places only 0.52 percent of the houses are over three hundred thousand dollars in value how much point what 0.52%. Wow. Less than 1% are valued over $300,000. That's just the mayor and a judge and probably the chief of police. It's like a historic house that somebody built 200 years ago that they've kept

up maybe, something like that. You can find in Eaton a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,500 square foot on Saxon Drive for $123,000. This town just sounds like the best town in America if you make $25 an hour. It's just perfect. It's right up your alley. That's exactly what it is.

It's if you have a blue-collar manufacturing type of job. The jobs everyone says, where are all those jobs going? They're in Eaton, Ohio. That's where they are. So if you want one of those jobs. And they're living good. Yeah, don't complain about it. Move to Eaton, Ohio.

Get yourself a $99,000 house. Here's a five-bedroom, two-bath, two-and-a-half bath, 3,100-square-foot house. My God, that's a big house. It's pretty, too. South Maple Street, $184,000. Goodness gracious. That's ridiculous. A three-bedroom, one-bath on Washington Street, $78,000.

And a five-bedroom, three-bath, 3,000-square-foot house on West Main Street for only $85,000. Wow. So, I mean, you can live comfortably here on not a lot. You know, on a decent blue-collar, like a manufacturing type income. That sounds like a kick-ass house. It is. street for only 85 grand wow so i mean you can live comfortably here on not a lot you know on a decent blue collar like a manufacturing that sounds like a kick-ass house it is it sounds great five bedroom two and a half bath yeah that sounds beautiful it sounds beautiful man nice you can go to the parade get candy thrown at you by a veteran it's beautiful by a by a an 86 year old veteran of a foreign war

this looks some sort of goofy hat on. Yeah. Oh, he'll have a goofy hat on. Absolutely. And a blazer, too, that has some patch on it. I don't know what it is, but it'll be some kind of club that they formed. Elementary schools here. We have the schools.

They have three schools, a little elementary school, Eaton Middle School, and Eaton High. So they're very, you know, just like a small town. Here's our high school. Here's our high school. Here's our elementary school. They spend way more per average on students than other places. Why do you think that is? I don't know, but they get their money's worth. I think it's because they're honestly, I just it's one of these things in a decent

community that's a nice community. They actually care about the schools. Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, middle class. They tend to think about their future and they're like, well, if those kids get smarter and get better, then maybe I'll be taken care of. Exactly. And I think, too, you want your kid to have, you know, to go on and not have to work at

the factory that might be closing down at some point. Who knows? So it's one of those things. Average, on the average in America, they spend $12,383 per student a year. In Eaton, they spend $21,702 per student. By a lot. So by a lot. Holy shit.

Those schools are top notch, I feel like. No doubt. 88.5%, 88% graduation rate, which is higher than the national average. Four-year degree is where it dips. When people get a college degree, they move out of here because there isn't that many jobs for college graduates here. This is a blue-collar town, and if you want to go somewhere else, I guess you go to Cincinnati or New York. Or you get out of the Midwest. I don't know where you go.

Or you go to Chicago. That's not very far away. Yeah, there's less than half the average of four-year degree holders in this town. Masters is about half the average. We're sensing something. Doctorate, 0.11%. Not a lot there. You get an education, you get the fuck out of Eaton quickly.

Yeah. Eaton is a place you're from, not a place you're going to. Right. It's one of those. Exactly. That's a town I was from that I moved away from because it was boring type of thing. Unemployment rate is less than the national average. It is 4% their unemployment rate.

Wow. So you can get a job at Eaton. Everybody's working. Everybody's working. Everybody's working. And it's funny, too, because despite slower job growth than the average around the country, it's still 4%. Still hanging on. So people just kept these jobs.

Average household income is $33,519. Which is fine if you live – If you can buy a house for $85,000. $53,000 is the average nationally. So it's less. Less than 2% of the people make over $150,000. $53,000 is the average nationally. So it's less. Less than 2% of the people make over $150,000. Less than 2%. Less than 2%.

It's about 10% on the average. My God. That tells you a lot here. And let's get into the jobs and things like that. 1,600 people in that town make over $100,000. Pretty much, yeah. That's not too much here. Now, 1,600.

Yeah, because you said 8,000 is the total, right? Yeah. Yeah, so 2% is 1,600, isn't it? No. It's 160. 160, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I am so terrible at math.

We're comedians, not mathematicians, obviously. We do not have a doctorate either or a master's degree or really four-year degrees for that matter. That would be 20%. Less than 200 people make over $100,000 a year. That's crazy. It's wild, man. Now, not a lot of jobs in the finance and business field, way less than average. Twice the average of food service jobs there and a ton of production and transportation.

This is what I mean with the manufacturing. 26% are production and transportation jobs there, which is more than twice the national average. So this is where the manufacturing jobs are. They're in Eaton, Ohio, in case you want one. Yeah, they still are. It's like they're behind 50 years. Yeah. But not in a bad way, I guess.

No, no. Except for maybe racially. Get a couple black people in there, maybe an Asian or two. Get a couple Mexicans, whatever. Stop being so scared of Muslims. Let them in. Them too. Yeah, whatever. Stop being so scared of Muslims. Let them in. Them too.

Yeah, they definitely don't have any of them. I feel like the Jews don't want to be there. They're like, nah, that's all right. They're okay. We're not into manufacturing. So if you're looking for something to do in Eaton, the Eaton Early Bird Farmers Market is open Saturdays. Oh my God. This is literally on their things to do page, by the way.

Get out of here. The Preble County Historical Society. The City of Eaton Fire and EMS. I don't know why you'd want to visit there. That's what you do on a Saturday? You should hang out at the station. That's literally a thing to do. And finally, this is the big one here.

The Preble County Pork Festival. Oh, God. Huge deal. Yes. Huge deal. Every third weekend, every third full weekend in September. Yeah. Free admission, free entertainment. Come on down and raise your cholesterol.

And now we get into the crime. All right. Crime rates and then into the crime. Crime rates here. Property crime is high. It's almost twice the national average. Property crime is burglary, theft, motor vehicle theft, et cetera, et cetera. And damage.

Yeah. Violent crime is one-third the average of national. Wow. So that's murder, rape, robbery, assault. You're way less likely to get murdered or raped, but someone might steal your bike off the front porch. Right. So that's not a bad tradeoff, honestly. That's okay.

I can deal with that. And now one person— I can buy a new bike. I can't buy my innocence. Exactly. Exactly. I'd much rather have something stolen from me than be physically assaulted, raped, robbed, or— Have something stolen from me than the elasticity of my bunghole.

You know what I mean? That is a good point. Very, very good point. I like to keep it tight. Now, we have, let's introduce Tim Johnson to this scenario here. Tim Johnson grows up in Eaton. I don't know exactly what happened, but he was an orphan as a child. He did not have parents because at age 10, he's adopted by an Eaton family.

Okay. And he's known as a nice, shy, quiet guy. At age 10. At age 10. So was he in like a foster home? I don't know where he was. I don't know the background of his parents. That was not information that was available to me.

So for this story, he just, at 10 years old, he rose from a field in fucking Eaton, Ohio, and a family was like, adopt it. It's ours. They went to one of those parades, and he just left with the family. And they were like, all right, fine, whatever. Little Timmy. He got some candy off the ground, so it's fine. So, yeah, he's known as a nice, shy, quiet guy.

Like I said, adopted at age 10. And also there's another adopted child in this family, Pamela Henry. She is his foster sister. She's 10 years older than him. And, yeah, so I don't know what this family – it's weird. It's hard to judge when you have foster children like this because it's really not even half and half, but there's two different types of people that adopt children. There's the people who are just saints and they really want to help children. Absolutely.

And they want to adopt them and take care of them and give them a better future. They're amazing people. And you can't get a better person on earth than that. That's just amazing. And then there's also people who like to do it as a check. They see it as this is an income source. If I have three kids, that equals this much money per month and I don't have to do shit. And at my job where I have health insurance, after I have two kids, it doesn't fucking cost me another dime to have them.

Yeah. So I feel like maybe that's – I don't know about this family, but I know that's a possibility with all of this. He grows up in this family, and like I said, with Pamela being the older sister. But I think she was gone out of the house. She was 20 when he was – She was 20, yeah. Now, as they get older here, when they're adults, Tim and Pamela's – their father dies. Oh, no. So the father's dead, and their they're adults, Tim and Pamela, their father dies. Oh, no.

So the father's dead, and their mother, Nancy, is extremely ill. She's bound to a wheelchair. She needs round-the-clock care. She can't bathe herself, dress herself, feed herself. She can't do anything. What a nightmare. What a nightmare. So Tim, being the nice guy that he is, and, jeez, I mean, pay it back for adopting me,

he moves in to take care of his mother. Sure. And he moves into the house with Pamela lives there too. She lives with her mother, but Tim moves in so he can take care of the mother, which is nice of him to do, I got to say. I mean, I don't know if anybody would do that for their mother, but he's- And how old was he when the dad died? I believe it was about 30 when the dad died.

All right. Now, like I said, Pamela Henry already lived in the home with the mother. I don't know why she couldn't take care of her, but she seems like a bit of a flake. Yeah, she's a 40-year-old woman. Let's go. Get it together, Pam. Like a little bit of a flake, but we'll get into this here as we approach 2007. Pam is about 46, 47 years old at this point.

She's also dating a man named Adam Scott, who is 19 years younger than her. He's 28. So it's so weird. I know it's a stereotype thing. And when a guy dates a young girl, you don't think twice about it. But then when a 47-year-old woman dates a 29-year-old man, you're like, ooh, that's a little weird. It's strange, but you still feel that way, don't you? You're like, that's odd.

When I was 23 or 24, something around there, I had a thing with a woman that was like – I think she was 50. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. And you guys see your face right now is exactly how I felt inside. Look at you. It was fine. I'm sure she was a nice lady.

Yeah, my friend was dating her daughter and that's how I met her. Anyway, it was fucking weird for me. And I was seeing her. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I know that if I was out with her, people were like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, you look like her son. Yeah.

I'm sure. You're half her age. Yeah. So yeah. And I think it goes the same way with men and women. You see a 60-year-old guy and he's got a 25-year-old girlfriend. You're like, that's fucking creepy. She was 48. That's great.

That's the same type of thing here, except Adam Scott's a little older. Anyway, Tim, like I said, bathed, fed, clothed the mother, Nancy, took around the clock care of her. This Adam Scott also stayed at the house quite a bit. He stayed over there, too. So who is this guy where he's got to stay with his older girlfriend and their infirmed mother? Get an apartment. And 37-year-old Tim is there, too, at this point. Yeah, he's there, too, living there, actually doing everything, taking care of the woman.

Now, so this all goes on for a while. Pamela and Tim don't always get along really well. But I mean brothers and sisters. Adopted. Adopted brothers and sisters. And she's a bit of a whack job, too, this Pamela. Fantastic. We'll find out.

Now, on January 20, 2007, over this weekend, Tim goes missing. Tim's gone. Can't find Tim. Tim's already gone from our story. Poof. Tim will make a comeback. Don't worry. I miss Tim already.

Tim's gone. I know. Tim's a nice guy, and I'm missing Tim right now. He's got a heart of gold. No one knows where Tim is. Oh, no. Tim is missing. He's gone.

It's very unlike him to disappear because he's very responsible, and he has responsibilities like to take care of his mother. Right. And his mother's like, I need my bath. And she's not there to help her with it. So they let it go. Nobody reports it or anything because it's not illegal for a grown man to go somewhere without notice. He's a 30-something-year-old man.

He can go somewhere for a weekend if he feels like it. So nobody notifies authorities. Nobody looks for him. It's not like he's a 10-year-old girl. Everybody just goes on like, oh, he must have left. No problem here. Now, after about two weeks on like, oh, he must have left. No problem here. Now, after about two weeks of this, though, people start to wonder. After about two weeks, they're like, hey, where'd Tim go?

Because there's other family. It's not just them. They have aunts and uncles and cousins, and they come over to see the mom and all that kind of thing. And they're like, where'd Tim go? Hey, where's Tim? Hey, Tim's still not back? And the mother's saying, I haven't seen Tim. It's a two-week sabbatical in Cincy. That's all. It's insane. Where's Tim? Hey, Tim's still not back? And the mother's saying, I haven't seen Tim.

He's having a two-week sabbatical in Cincy. That's all. It's insane. So after about two weeks, another family member calls the police about Tim and says, look, Tim's missing because this family member went to the house and noticed some of Tim's stuff was missing. They said, Tim's not here. That's a giveaway. His computer's gone.

His cars are there, though. He didn't take his cars when he disappeared. He just threw those computers over his shoulder and huffed it down the road. His tools's gone. His cars are there, though. He didn't take his cars when he disappeared. He just threw those computers over his shoulder and huffed it down the road. His tools are gone. His computer's gone. Things that are easily hawkable at a pawn shop, basically. Anything like that is gone. Not to mention hard to carry when you don't have a car.

Yes, exactly. It's not like he walked out with a giant Stanley toolbox and a 2007 desktop monitor under it. These are not flat screens. I saw a picture. These are like, you know, it's a CRT. It's a giant monitor and a big desktop tower. You'd need help with that shit to get it out of your house, basically. So, yeah, they noticed they were missing.

They also told the police that Tim had two cars. He had a car and a van. And the family said that Pamela and Adam, the sister and boyfriend, had been driving Tim's cars the whole time, which is usually a no-no. Tim doesn't let her take the cars because she's a whack job, basically. So that's weird. And they're like, this is odd. They're driving the cars.

Tim hasn't been around in a couple of weeks. What's going on? And a bunch of his hawkable shit's gone. A bunch of his hawkable shit's gone. Now, an investigator with the Sheriff's Department, David Lindloff, said with the Preble County Sheriff's Department, said, quote, we found a calendar that recorded different things that he had done. And then you came up to that particular date and nothing after that. Not a thing. So that told me that something happened abruptly.

And I saw a picture of this calendar. And it's just a regular calendar. It's a month of January. Like a writable one? Yeah, like a wall calendar that you'd hang up. And he has literally things written in every single day meticulous meticulous and the ones where he doesn't there's a line through it because he puts a line through the whole thing i don't have shit to do today so yeah it's that's i don't have shit but it doesn't time doesn't pass

without any marking on the calendar it just doesn't go and then the one day that he disappears as well as of january 20th there's the's clean. There's no doodles. Nothing. So it's like, so the cops figured that's when he disappeared. At least we know when now. So they get that sort of thing. There's nothing there at all. So yeah, not even a dash past the 20th. Police discover in the house, they come in and look and they come under the pretense of we're going to try to find some clues as to where Tim is.

He's a missing person at this point. Got a missing person investigation. Yeah, that's all it is. So they come in. They look around. They find in his room his wallet and his checkbook. How many people leave for weeks at a time without their wallet and their checkbook? And make sure to remember their tools and computers. Yeah, but they get that.

I got all my tools, but fuck my wallet. I don't need that at all. Got my tools. Got my compact Presario in case I want to look a couple things up. I'm going on vacation. Got my Dell to pack it on up. So, yeah, basically police at this point are real interested in talking to Pamela. She's not at the house when they're there.

Some shit is suspect at this point. They're like, where is that sister that's been driving his car? Where's that dizzy dame? What's up with that girl? Let's have a chat with her, shall we? May as well. Pamela, they talk to her. She is super cooperative with police. They get a hold of her at the house. May as well. Pamela, they talk to her. She is super cooperative with police.

They get a hold of her at the house. Oh, sweet. Insanely cooperative. She says she has no idea where Tim is. She's actually upset with him because he ran out and left her to care for the mother. And that's normally his responsibility. And now the mother's like, what's going on here? You know, what's happening?

So that makes a lot of sense. She says she's upset that he. Real quickly, though, he didn't leave you with his fucking kids. He left you with his mom, which happens to be your birth mom, too. That doesn't matter to her. Are you kidding me? Fascinating. I got shit to do. I got some boyfriends sleeping over. What are you talking about?

He's 28. His dick's always hard. I got things to do. I'm not going to bathe this old bag. No way. That's what she's thinking. So they say that Adam... This is the other thing too they say yeah we were driving the car adam my boyfriend is buying the car from tim he's in the process of buying it right now he's been paying him money it's a seven thousand dollar is what he's going to pay for the van and that's what he's been paying so that's why he's driving it they're working out

a payment plan uh pamela also says that the last time she saw tim was at the home and she says they got into an argument. Uh-oh. They got into a big fight, and he called someone, she doesn't know who, who came and picked him up at the house in a dark-colored vehicle and drove away. With his tools and his computer. Yeah, she said he was dragging his whole Dell tower behind him. By the power cord.

By the power cord, exactly. Letting it bounce off the lawn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had the monitor under one arm, power cord dragging. That was it. He left into the night, and she said, I guess I'm stuck with Nancy. Fuck my wallet. I guess I'm stuck with Nancy.

Fine. Awesome. So, yeah, the police, they don't believe Pamela. Oh, God. They better not. It doesn't sound right. They fucking better not. They're not completely stupid, these cops here.

Actually, these cops aren't too dumb at all, which is interesting. They don't want to believe Pamela. They want her and Adam Scott to come down to the station for an interview. That's the thing here. They're like, but they don't want to spook them either. They don't want them to run away. So they're like, you know, they asked the pair to come into the station at their convenience. Hey, come on down this week sometime.

Now we've got time. Please, we need you to drop off Tim's vehicles because we need to search them and figure out if there's any connection to the disappearance. And there might be a clue there. So we need to really go over it. So you's any connection to the disappearance. And there might be a clue there. So we need to really go over it. So you've got to drop the vehicles off at the station. And also they want to talk to them about maybe getting some more help on finding out where Tim possibly is. So they go in thinking they're hot shit and thinking they're going to just walk in there and fool a bunch of cops. They're like, Columbo wants to talk to us.

Let's go fool this guy. Well, they think, oh, they already think I feel like they got away with it. They just want help to find out maybe if we know anything more. They're not interrog to us. Let's go fool this guy. Well, they think, oh, they already think I feel like that they got away with it. They just want help to find out maybe if we know anything more. They're not interrogating us. Meanwhile, they got Michael Checklist down at the station ready to rough him up. You know, like somebody putting on a pair of, you know, somebody with a phone book ready to walk him over. That's what's happening here.

Fantastic. They do it a smarter way, actually. They do it in a mental way. It's pretty smart. Police say that Pamela didn't seem nervous at the station. She's very cooperative. I saw footage of her there. She seemed real casual and cooperative. Detective Dean Miller called Adam Scott, quote, a very happy, jolly guy. He was friendly and pleasant to talk to. So they're just showing up. They're not acting weird and creepy. Police kept it very casual, like Pamela, like Pam and Adam were just helping out.

Yeah. Just kept the whole thing real casual. Then they offered them out of the blue. They're like, hey, do us a favor. You know what I mean? We need to clear people out so we know who's not involved, basically. And we don't think you guys are involved, obviously. So do us a favor here. We need you to take this kind of lie detector test.

Because a lot of times police departments will give polygraphs to tons of people to eliminate suspects, not to incriminate them, but to eliminate them. They have 50 of them and 49 of them show no deception. And that guy does. We can eliminate the 49 and maybe look at that guy a little closer type of thing. I'm on board. None of this is admissible in court. It's not an exact science, but they can get an idea off of this shit.

So they say, let's just do this. Let's clear it out of the way. Just due diligence. Yeah. How to do my due diligence here. Police tell them it'll clear it up if they pass and then they can move on and go on with it. So it's not a polygraph. It's a test called a CVSA test.

OK. It's a new technology or was newer then. It's a computer voice stress analysis test. Oh, I've heard of these. These are awesome. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Now, I think it's probably as much a bullshit as a polygraph for you, but whatever.

It's one of these, quote, sciences that's not really, quote, a science. It's the new hypnotism. Sort of, yeah. It's considered by some to be more accurate than a polygraph. Basically, a polygraph can be manipulated by controlled breathing. There's a hundred books out there. If you just Wikipedia or Google search how to beat a lie detector test, it'll tell you to clench your asshole and shit like that. Seriously, that controls your blood flow.

Really? Yeah, it'll tell you to clench your asshole. It tells you because that gets blood rushing and that's how you get like – A false positive or something? That's how you spike it. Yeah, when they ask, you know, what is your name? Is your name Jimmy? And you clench your asshole and that shows that's your level.

So then when you lie, it's at the same level. That's hilarious. It's ridiculous. Shit like that. But this apparently, CVSA measures your voice. It's a different thing. It first appeared in 1988. It is marketed by the – this is the biggest load of shit company I've ever heard because they put the word institute in their name.

All right. You're a company. Don't put the word institute in your name. Come on. It's called the, quote, National Institute for Truth Verification. Oh, my God. That is not a real institute of any kind. And they're out of West Palm Beach, Florida, which makes them even less legitimate, in my opinion.

Jesus Christ, I've done comedy there. Nothing good is coming out of there, trust me. Nothing. It's like an afternoon commercial, though, that comes on right after the ambulance chasing lawyer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With an old lady going, I didn't know what happened, and the CVSA solved my mystery. There's some shit like that. And then right after that comes, did you invent something?

Call us. Invent help. Exactly. And this here, what they do here, here's something from – there's a guy who's like the guru of it, Bill Endler. And he said, quote, with the polygraph, there's several countermeasures someone can do to manipulate the chart such as controlled breathing, like I was saying. So it's a thing like that. Basically with the polygraph, what they like to do, police stations across the country, and this is a fact, but there's a great book out there called Homicide, A Year on the Killing

Streets. It's written by David Simon. He's the creator of The Wire. He's the creator of the Homicide TV show on, I can't remember what network it was on, but in the 90s, he was that. Treme is his. But he was a crime reporter in Baltimore for years and years and years, And he went every day with the homicide department for the whole year of 1988. Oh, my God.

And wrote this incredible, incredible book about a year with the homicide department. Yeah. Amazing, this book. My favorite book. One of my favorites of all time. In this book, he tells about a technique they would do. And they did this on the wire, referencing the book where they would take a suspect in suspect in someone who was an idiot and they literally put their hand on a copy machine and they'd say this is a lie detector test and they'd have sheets loaded in there and they'd

have another guy acting like they'd have a guy with a lab coat on just a detective pressing print he would literally press print i'd say put your hand on the side of the machine. It'd say, is your name Jimmy? Yes. And it would press it. And it would literally, the light comes down and a paper shoots out. Paper shoots out and it says truth. And they're like, truth.

You know, do you live at this address? Oh my God, this is the most amazing thing ever. Did you kill Pookie on the 400 block of Edmondson Avenue? No, I didn't. Truth. Lie, it says. They'll be like, you lying motherfucker. How do they put in another- With a straight face.

How do they put in another goddamn paper? They have them preloaded. Oh, that's so great. They press the button that just shoots a piece of paper out and they have them loaded. It's so brilliant. And then people admit to it. It's insane. They're like, I'm busted.

Fuck it. They're like, I'm busted. Fuck it. And they do it all the time insane. They're like, I'm busted. Fuck it. They're like, I'm busted. Fuck it. And they do it all the time. So this is a technique police departments use. It really is. I want to watch that happen to some fucking dumb. It's great.

There's a scene in The Wire where they do it and it's, they describe it. It's just how it is in the book and it's hilarious. Oh my God. It's so awesome. It's a neat trick, in the book, and it's hilarious. Oh, my God. It's so awesome. It's a neat trick, I guess. Unbelievable. That should be illegal, though.

I would hope. Think, yeah, maybe. I just laughed so hard I'm seeing stars right now. That's so funny. I'm telling you, man. It's wild, and this is what they do to manipulate people, because they think they're busted. It's hilarious. Oh, my God.

All right. Let's find a little more about how the CVSA works because it's just a voice thing. Okay. Back to Bill Endler here, the guru. He says, quote, the muscle in your voice box tightens up so when you speak, air passes over it and it still vibrates, but it doesn't vibrate at the same rate it does when you relax. So that's how they do it. And they basically have a bunch of sound waves on there. Your vocal cords tense up because you're lying.

Yeah. They look at whether they're vertical or horizontal. It's fucking amazing. It's pretty interesting, yeah. A lot of people believe it isn't accurate, obviously, but police don't give a shit because they use it to leverage idiots out of confessions. They don't care if it's bullshit. If the guy confesses, do it afterwards with all they care. It's one of those things. So they give the CVSA idiots out of confessions. They don't care if it's bullshit. If the guy confesses to it afterwards, what the hell do they care? It's one of those things.

So they give the CVSA test to Pamela first. It's given by the investigator, David Lindloff, that we mentioned earlier. They put the microphone on Pamela. She immediately crosses her arms in a combative way. The whole time she's just been hanging out, letting her feet swing off the bottom of the bench. And this time all of a sudden now crosses her arms. Now all of a sudden she's got some standoffish body language. So yeah, they're like why are you looking like that?

And she said, I'm anemic. I'm always cold. So I'm cold now. Which is, if any woman ever says that to you, run away. Any woman who says I'm cold because I'm always anemic, that's bad sign. She's pissed. Personal experience. Anyway. So Lynn Loff asks her, is your name Pam?

He alternates. Did you see Tim get in a vehicle and drive away? Is today Wednesday? Do you know what happened to Tim? She answers all those questions. Pamela denies knowing anything. She admitted it was Wednesday, but didn't admit anything else. Said no, no, no.

Police say Adam Scott came in now next. They bring her out. Adam Scott comes in. They say he's super nervous. He's rubbing his face. Uh-oh. He's like rubbing his eyes. He's got his hand over his mouth.

He's doing that whole thing here, which who wouldn't be nervous anyway? They're hooking you up to a machine asking you about a possible murder. I'd be nervous too even if I didn't do it. Even more nervous if I didn't do anything. I'd be like, holy shit, this is going to go bad quick. Lindloff asks Adam if he paid $7,000 for the van, questions like that. Lindloff shows detectives their tests were deceptive because obviously they're lying because otherwise they wouldn't be this far into the story. So they're clearly fucking lying. That's how you can tell if someone's lying.

If it's minute 38 in our podcast and they're saying something and police don't believe them, it's a lie. Detective Dean Miller here back again said, quote, believe them it's a lie uh detective dean miller here back again said quote just in a manner of seconds we went from a missing persons investigation to a homicide investigation both of them admitted after the results of the test that yes we killed tim johnson really it did not take long for them to come out and admit this shit uh the police confront them separately about failing their tests first they tell pamela they failed the test and pamela this is because they have video footage of this I watched. They tell her, you know, your results were deceptive.

She just leans forward like she's saying, you know, I had a turkey sandwich for lunch. She leans forward and goes, uh, I killed him. Just, yeah, you got me. Just, I don't know, whatever. Like, we clear that right up, right? They should have used the Xerox trick. Yeah, they should have. She would have fell for

it this one probably. But it's like a policeman pulled her over and she said, yeah, I was going 10 over the limit. I was going a little fast. That's right. She goes, eh, I killed him. I got a bunch of parking tickets and I don't have insurance. So that happens, man. So the cop says, do you know – you knew ahead of time that you were going to kill him?

And Pamela says, I didn't think I'd do it though. I wanted to. I had a good idea I was going to do it, but I was like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. Cop says, if Tim Johnson was sitting in that chair right now, what do you think you would say to him? And she says, quote, I'd call him a low down dirty dog. In 2007, she said that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, 50 years behind this town is. That's an insult back then. That is worthy of a duel in this town. A low-down dirty dog. A low-down dirty dog. She said it angrily, too.

She had to tell him he's a low-down dirty dog. They were like, all right, then. I wonder what would get her to say that. Let's get you in some cuffs quick. Somebody got some silver jewelry for this broad. Man, so they confront Adam now, Adam Scott. And David Lindloff tells Adam Scott, quote, see here where I asked you if you paid $7,000 for the van? And he says, buddy, you're not telling me the truth.

Okay, and you know you're not. And he just showed him the audio levels. He could have shown him anything, and he was like, yeah, I did it. Yeah, I killed him. Both of them are just the easiest. This is so great. They're separate, too. This isn't together.

They're just like, yeah, okay, I did it. They're perfect for each other. They're perfect. So they also tell Adam that Pamela admitted to the murder. Adam tells police, yeah, he did it right away. Pamela says now she changes her story in the other room saying that Adam didn't have anything to do with it. It was all me. I killed Tim.

Oh, she's very nice. No, it's not Adam. But she ends up telling the story. And once they get to it, they're like, how did you do it? And once she tries to explain, they go, you didn't do that by yourself. We'll get into how here because they tell him how it happened. And they're truthful about it. Apparently, Adam, Tim was sitting down, possibly at his computer.

Adam put Tim in a chokehold from behind and overpowered him. Tim fought back, though. He tried. He's like, I got a clean mom's bedpan, so let me out of this. Pamela comes in during the struggle and starts wrapping Tim's face with saran wrap. He's like, I got a clean mom's bedpan, so let me out of this. Pamela comes in during the struggle and starts wrapping Tim's face with saran wrap. Oh, my God. Yeah, if you're overseas England, that's cling film.

It's plastic wrap that you wrap things with. Yeah, I know my stuff over here. I didn't think they would know what saran wrap was, so I have to tell them. And she's going to try to say that they didn't know they were going to do this? She said they didn't think they would go through with it, apparently. Like, I got him in the chokehold, and she's like, well, now or never, grab the saran wrap, let's wrap it up. She's like, I got saran wrap, I'll handle this. Well, I was covering up the leftover chicken, but let me get over here quick. So basically, once they keep, Pamela comes in, and they're trying to wrap it up.

And apparently, after a minute here, Adam takes over and finishes up the saran wrapping of his face. He's like, you're no good at this. No, Tim suffocates, obviously, because he's wrapped in plastic and being choked at the same time. That tends to – one tends to do when that happens. You can't get air past the plastic. But in the event that you do get a little bit past it, you can't get it past the forearm that's wrapped around your neck. He has a huge forearm, and he was kind of a big stocky guy, Adam Scott, too. He was a stocky, kind of a heavier set guy.

This is, now there's a dead guy. Now poor Tim is dead. He's a nice guy. Poor guy got adopted and had a nice life. And now he's taking care of his mother like a decent human being. And now these idiots fucking kill him. So that's not great. Now there's a dead guy.

The mother's home, by the way. The mother's in the other room. She was, oh. She can't, she doesn't know what's going on. She's in a wheelchair. In bed in the other room. Horrible. I mean, I't, she doesn't know what's going on because she's out of it. She's in a wheelchair. In bed in the other room. Horrible. I mean,

I just picture like she has no idea this is happening either. She never knew what was happening. I just picture her like ringing her bell while this is going on.

Keep it down in there. Where's my Jell-O? I asked for Jell-O and they're like, will you fucking get her some Jell-O? God damn it. They're yelling at each other.

They're like, shit, we didn't think this through. You get the Jell-O. We didn't think this through. Someone's got to get her the Jell-O. We really should have just left Tim alone. They decide at this point they're going to dispose of the body.

Oh, God. So, you know. This is the part of all stories that I'm always a little uneasy with because that is so horrific. You're like, now what do we do? Well, they got to dead Tim. They got the mother there, so they can't just leave him in the living room, obviously. They don't know what to do. They can't exactly call the cops and say it was an accident.

He accidentally wrapped his head in saran wrap and fell over. That's not going to fly. He accidentally. That's not going to fly with anybody. Holy shit. I don't know. He was covering up the leftover vegetables. The next thing you know, he's on the floor gasping.

I don't know what happened. That doesn't make much sense. I got a Xerox machine for you to talk to. So Pamela and Adam, what would you do in this situation? You have to get rid of this body. Okay. If I have a body to take care of because I'm an evil cunt and I did something terrible. It's in the living room.

It's in the living room and I can't get caught because my mother's here. I'm guessing fire. You got it. All right. You're thinking just like these scumbags. Good job. That's a desperate move because I don't want to see blood. I don't want to open them up.

No. Problem here with the fire is they're probably thinking like, oh, well, I cremated them like in a crematorium. But those things are like thousands of degrees. You can't make that fire on your own to burn a body to nothing. So they pour gasoline on it and try to light it on fire. That ain't going to work. That didn't work. Now they have, you know, I don't know if they forgot the

kindling or what the fuck happened there, but it didn't work. Now they've got muscle and bone and no skin. That's what they've got. Should we try a Duraflame log under it to get it started? You know, like when we're camping? No, twist. Twist the what they've got. Should we try a DuraFlame to get it started? No, twist. Twist the newspaper. Twist it. Simulate kindling. Twist it, Chet. It's a second grade outdoors reference in two weeks with us. Look at that.

You twist it. Twist it, Chet. Simulate kindling. So what are they going to do with the charred chunks of the remains of this guy now? Now they have like a half a burned up body. Did they just bury it in the backyard? No, that would have been an interesting plan. They need a new plan here. So they decide that this... Oh, they put it in the van.

Nope, nope, nope. They stuff him into an oil barrel. They have like a drum. Oh, it's so messy. They had to touch all this. They put him into an oil... Oh, yeah, yeah. They have to stuff him into an oil barrel. And then their plan is to fill it with concrete on top of him. That doesn't get rid of a bottle.

Then once they do that, they're planning on going to a bridge and pushing it into the river. And it'll sink right to the bottom because it's full of concrete. Yeah, but the problem is Tim's not gone. Well, the problem is the barrel, once being filled with concrete, ends up being 700 pounds. You can't lift that. You can't lift that. Literally, now they're like, shit shit we can't get the concrete out we're stuck with this 700 pound thing and they just put it in the garage they just put it in

the garage and act like nothing happened they're like i guess we'll just put it in here and leave it in there get the van drag it in there so the police once they hear all of this they're telling they told the cops all this by the way this is all from their own mouths this isn't like we pieced it together they told put concrete in it and then that jackass couldn't lift it. They were like, damned if it wasn't too heavy to lift. We really wanted to get it down to the river. It's in the garage underneath the

snowshoes. It was in there in the corner just with a bunch of other barrels. Police go in there. They find a concrete barrel. They're like, holy shit, these people weren't kidding. And they get air chisels and break through the concrete and eventually find Tim. Like, holy shit, they weren't lying. Unbelievable.

So they're like, why did you do this? First of all, what motivation could you have had? Apparently, since the father was dead and the mother was sick, it was known that Tim was going to inherit everything. Of course. Which wasn't a lot to inherit anyway, but Pamela wanted the inheritance. I looked up the house because I found the address and I looked up the house. Well, it's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,819-square-foot house.

The Zillow estimate on it is $207,801 on the house that's there now because they tore that fucking thing to the ground. I would, too. Yeah, they tore it to the ground. The lot sold for like $40,000, and then they rebuilt the new house. So it's in the top 4% of what that town is worth. It's a top house now. Wow. But I don't think anyone wanted to be in the concrete barrel, burned-up body house.

Yeah, in the saran wrap house. Yeah, this all happened in 2007. The new house was built in 2010. So obviously, February 16, 2017, both of Adam Scott and Pamela Henry are arrested and charged with aggravated murder. Gross. 2007, right? Right. Yeah.

Arrested, charged with aggravated murder, gross abuse of a corpse. That's not one you want to have on your resume, is it? Gross abuse. The only one who's going to hire you there is Dunkin' Donuts, probably. See episode two. Two. Murder in Rainham there, where they hired a horrible sex offender. Yes.

Tampering with evidence, aggravated robbery and theft. Wow. They got a good line of charges. They indict them on March 5th of 2007. Court rules that they're both indigent. They get public defenders because they have no money because they're complete pieces of shit. Of course.

That would believe the copy machine trick. Now, both of them file motions in court to suppress the statements of their confession. They say they were coerced by the machine. Well, yeah. They had a microphone on them. But you still said it. Yeah. Basically, they say, hey, look, they tricked us, basically. And they were like, yeah, that's fine. You're allowed to trick people. Because actually, in the law, you

are allowed to lie to a suspect to get a confession. You can deceive them a little. And especially if it's a murder. How about ladies that walk down the street looking like hookers and then guys walk up and offer them money? They get arrested too. Yeah, exactly. And she just essentially lied. Yeah.

Hey, would you like a date? That's what she said. And he makes a deal with her and he gets arrested. That's the truth. Same thing. So the prosecutors show, they try to show in court that Pamela was abusive. They bring in medical records of her daughter that I guess showed abuse of her children. She had two children.

So they're bringing they're trying to show she's a bad person here. Now, on November 15th, 2007, Adam Scott agrees to a deal with prosecutors to plead guilty to these felonies in exchange for testifying against Pamela. So he flipped on her. He doesn't really get much off for that. He ends up, he pleads to aggravated murder, gross abuse of a corpse, tampering, aggravated robbery and theft, same thing. He's pleading in exchange, like I said.

Now, the verdicts come down, or verdict for Pamela comes down because he's already made his verdict. Right. Verdicts come down, or verdict for Pamela comes down because he's already made his verdict. Right. March 13th, 2008, the jury returns a verdict of guilty on five of the six counts, including aggravated murder and gross abuse of a corpse. Terrible. Those are big ones. Like I said, not real good on the resume.

No. Gross abuse of a corpse. Gross abuse. Gross abuse. Not just abuse of a corpse, but gross abuse. Like, what did you do? If someone said that to you as arrested for gross abuse of a corpse, you'd be like, what did you do to them? Exactly in that tone, too.

What did you do? What did you do? Why was it so gross? I lit a body on fire with gasoline and a Duraflame, and then I twisted the gazette to try to get it to burn, and it didn't work. Didn't work. So I said, ah, fuck it. So I put it in concrete and left it in the garage. Yeah, that's pretty gross.

Yeah, that's going to be gross. That's definitely gross. Oh, that qualifies. So you'd like to be a manager on the three to nine shift here at Dunkin' Donuts? No problem. You're on. You're in. Make sure to stop by and check everybody else's time cards once in a while.

Timmy fudges. Especially after you kill a young girl. Do that. Now, the sentence is, Adam Scott receives 20 years to life. That's with a deal. That's a brutal, that's tough for a deal. But at least he gets parole. Maybe.

Pamela gets 25 to life. She only got five more years. Five years more. Now, I assume when parole hearings come up, it'll look better that he flipped for him than it will look for her who didn't, I'm sure. And it comes in 20 years where hers comes in 25. Exactly. So who knows here.

She's not getting out. I can almost guarantee that. Well, let's see here. She appeals this decision on grounds that she blurted out to the confession. And when she did, she was not Mirandized. And that's the thing here. If you're from overseas, we have something called a Miranda warning where we tell you you have the right to remain silent. I'm sure you've seen it on TV shows.

Established in Phoenix, Arizona. Yes, exactly. So it's basically they didn't Mirandize her yet. You have to do basically when someone becomes a suspect, the second they go from witness to suspect, you have to Mirandize them at that point. You give them all their rights and tell them they can either talk or shut the fuck up. They even have to sign a paper saying they acknowledge. Absolutely. You have to sign a paper saying I acknowledge my rights and all that. So that's a hell of a sales job. Not only is it getting you to confess, you're like, hold on a sec, here, sign this paper

too. So you have to read it and think about it and sign it. So you're really in there. She said that it was made under coercion and not under Miranda. Police say that the court rules on February 2nd, 2009, so this is two years later, court rules that she was there of her own free will. She was there at a time of convenience for her. They didn't drag her down there against her will and make her do it.

She was free to go at any time before the confession. No one told her to blurt it out. All right, good. They said, yeah, that's your fucking problem. And also, as soon as she made the admission, they went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Miranda, Miranda. And then Miranda gave her the sheet and then she did it again. Then she confessed again.

Oh, great. So who gives a fuck about before? They said, OK, that's fine before. Now we need to hear all that again in writing and blah, blah, blah. then she did it again. Then she confessed again after Miranda. So who gives a fuck about before? They said, okay, that's fine before. Now we need to hear all that again in writing and blah, blah, blah. And she did all that. So at that point, go fuck yourself. You were Mirandized. Slam dunk.

Yeah, you knew your rights. If she would have said no, no, no and clammed up after that, that shit wouldn't have counted. Right. Because it was before Miranda. So they did their jobs correctly. They say tough shit. You were Mirandized afterwards and you just blurted it out out of nowhere. So that's your fucking problem, lady.

Sorry for you. Thank you. Fuck off. So her appeal is denied. Good. And she must serve the whole sentence here. That's that. She's going to serve 25 years to life now.

OK. Now that's that's Eaton, Ohio and Pamela Henry. And I feel bad for Tim Johnson. That's a terrible thing that happened to you. And the worst. Yeah. And I feel bad for the mother, too. a terrible thing that happened to you. The worst. Yeah. And I feel bad for the mother, too. I mean, the mother had this.

That's a terrible way to die. And now think about the poor mother. So in a month, she had her son taking care of her, her daughter there. And a month later, she got nobody. Nobody. Nobody. I don't know. A cousin or something came over.

Somebody helped her. They put her in a home. I'm not sure. But she was in her own family home with her son taking care of her. And now she's, who knows. Now she's not there because somebody else. I imagine she's probably dead. And if not, she's in a own family home with her son taking care of her, and now she's, who knows. Now she's not there because somebody else is. Yeah, I imagine she's probably dead. And if not, she's in a home somewhere.

Somewhere, yeah. Being cared for by the state. Yeah, just waiting it out. Right, with the reverse mortgage money that she made when they sold the house. Exactly, yeah. This lady is the woman who would fall for a reverse mortgage scam. This poor lady in a wheelchair with Tim in there. And Tim came in and went, what are you doing, Ma?

Don't sign that. Jesus Christ. So now, that Pamela Henry, obviously, she's an awful person. She won't be on the streets for a long, long time, which is great. But there's some people still on the streets that could still on the streets that could suffer from her crime. Get out of here. And then one person that really don't don't punish, don't punish this person is Pam Henry. She's an actress. Don't punish her. She's an active actress since from 1979 to now. Wow. Literally from 79 to 2014. She's an actress. Don't punish her. She's an active actress since from 1979 to now. Wow.

Literally from 79 to 2014, she has credits. But in that whole time, she only has five credits. Oh, poor thing. So she gets like every eight years. Somebody give her a commercial. She was in Prom Night, 1980, the horror movie. She played a car hop. And her last, nothing much, her last work was in 2014 in a movie called I Declare War.

Doesn't sound good. She played agent number one. That's never a good sign. She only had one credit with a character name, with an actual name, not like, you know, person number eight or something like that. Or car hop. Don't punish that Pam Henry. Punish the good Pam Henry or the shit Pam Henry. Don't punish this Pam Henry who's just trying to make her way in the world, in Hollywood.

Don't bother her. Give her a job. If you're making a film, call her up. Say, hey, you know what, Pam? We who's just trying to make her way in the world, in Hollywood. Don't bother her. Give her a job. Yeah. Give her a commercial. Say, hey, you know what, Pam? We feel bad for you. People Google search and you're like on page eight. Right.

That's too bad. So we feel terrible. We feel terrible for you. Make her the new flow. Make her the new flow. That is small town murder. That is Eaton, Ohio. That is a messed up little case we have there.

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