Small Town Murder - #507 - Webcam Model Madness - Chuluota, Florida

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

This week, in Chuluota, Florida, a successful family nearly crumbles, when the adult son steals from everyone, in order to buy tokens to talk to a Bulgarian webcam model. The whole family tries to help him, but he just won't stop. This leads to a showdown in the home, with the son being kicked out, for good. But by morning there are three dead bodies inside this beautiful rural home, and detectives have to piece it all together!!Along the way, we find out that the school system is great except for the horny teachers, that nobody is worth $200,000 just to talk to, and that some people may really not have any conscience!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hilarious. That's not funny. But it is funny when an idiot says, I think I can get away with this murder. Even though I'm leaving all sorts of evidence everywhere. I think I can do it. That's funny. That's crazy. A police force messes up, lets a murderer go for years and years. That's hilarious. All that stuff here. So if you

think true crime and comedy though should never ever go together, maybe we're not for you. Maybe we are. I think maybe you should stick around. Tell you what, no complaining later though. That said, I think it's time everybody. Let's do this. Let's all clear the lungs arms to the sky and let's all shout This all right everybody, let's go on a trip shall let's go we're going on down to Florida everyone here We go. This is and I gotta say it right, Chuleota, Florida Yeah, which is spelled C H U L U O T A U O T A That's Lee somehow. Chuleota. I don't know. That's just how they say it down there. So It is in central Florida. It's about a half hour outside of Orlando

Oh It's over in that region there. About two hours and 45 minutes to Wellington, Florida, our last Florida episode, an express called the Killer Clown Mystery, which was nuts. That was the craziest, my nightmare come to life, that was. I just saw that on the 20-20 recently. They just covered it, yeah.

I bet we did it better. You should, I guarantee it was funnier. Yeah, so It's tough to hear that fucking that wrinkle face guy 2020 does good work, but they are not funny. I'll say it right now So if this is in Seminole County, it's a small little place too. This is like a very rural place Lot of the properties are very well spaced out. This does not, this looks like some sort of like back in time place. It's very strange. Like what Florida was planned to be. Exactly what Florida was planned to be outside of the cities. Now the name pronounced Chuleota, it means allegedly

Isle of Pines, Pine Island, Land of Lakes and Pines, or Beautiful Place. They don't know which. So essentially they have no idea what they're talking about. They just made up a name. They say it's a... the pronunciation is a derivative of the Creek Indian word, Chuliyoto. So this is a... they're saying this is a derivative of that Who knows it was first settled after the Civil War people came down from North Carolina by ox cart to get away from the war They're like get the fuck get me out of this shit When they got there, they found that there's a shitload of fish deer wild hogs

Yeah, orange groves people were opening cattle ranches and they had saw mills and all this shit. They're like, okay, they started cooking. One of the early developers of the community chose the name of Juliota, and they said that it was possibly, he said, he told everyone he thought that was the name of the original Seminole village that was there. A guest. A guest, he just made it up for marketing purposes here.

Then the name was continued by the next guy who bought all this land and he set up a company to sell all this land. And the problem is though, when this guy died, all these land plots were still just sitting there unused in the 1950s. So the houses were kind of small and were kind of little working class houses. He just built like a little area that he plotted out there. And so that's kind of how it went. And then it kind of died out in the 60s where in the 50s, I mean, the whole place kind of died out and people stopped coming here. And then by the 60s, they had this big idea to get people to come here and it was close enough to Orlando as that came up. Disney World helped it

a lot. It made it, you know, so that's how that went. And then it finally became in demand. Ever since 2000 it's been kind of booming in population and everything but still not a lot. Here's some reviews. So maybe some people from here that have a better idea than us. Reviews five stars, in Chuleota there are small stores and restaurants that have surprisingly good food. That's good. Surprise, surprise. There they are. There are also parks that are peaceful

to be able to sit in on the edge of lakes. All right, nice lakes and parks and good food. I'm still wondering how this is a fucking island. It's not an island, there's lakes nearby. Yeah, that's why it doesn't make any sense. Here's four stars. I enjoy living someplace that still has trees and nice size yards. It has a rural feel, but it's close to shopping and entertainment.

That's nice. That seems like what people are looking for. Here's four stars. I've lived here my whole life and I love it. It's a very close-knit community and people are always here to help you out when you need it. Always, yeah. I'm always worried about that, speaking of always.

People are always helping you. Yeah, get away from me. I don't need your help always. Most neighbors are friendly, good for families, good for pets, especially if you have bigger pets or livestock Which are very big pets. I guess if you want to get huge giant pets There is more land available quiet country living barely any traffic But about a 15 to 20 minute drive to and from stores restaurants, etc

So you probably the edge of Orlando I think. I like the idea of having livestock, like being able to, like you're free to, but just fucking don't do it. It sounds like a lot of hassle. Because like, my dogs are real, like they take a lot of time out of the day, so I can't imagine if they had like 100 cows, I would have to deal with that.

I just want to live my life where I can, I have the possibility of having livestock, but I just don't do it. Yeah, you know. I wish deal with that. I just want to live my life where I can, I have the possibility of having livestock, but I just don't do it. Yeah, you know. I wish everybody did that. See, I can, if I look out over my ranch, I can just see the livestock moving around in my brain, I can see it, and that's good enough for me.

There's an idea that I could, I have enough room for it. You could do it. But I'm not gonna do it, because they fucking sting. Yeah. It's gross. That's the other problem.

Here's four stars. I live in a semi-rural area. The people are nice. There's hardly any crime at all. However, five minutes down the road, the community turns into rich white snobs. And that's exactly the people we're gonna talk about in this area are the down the road, because there's the small kind of town town part, then there's the the bigger estates out in the Little bit and people yes, so that that's where we are. It's the only reason I put this

Review in here is to say how you know there's a there's a two worlds in this town He's and they say these people tend to be very judgmental But there's still but there are still many good people in that area There is not an extreme amount of fun places to go out to and the mall is practically dead. Oh, not the mall. Oh, well that's great actually. I'd love to have a mall that's just fucking empty

and you're able to just go from shop to shop in air conditioning, yeah. But I think when you say dead, that means most of the stores are gone. It's closing. Yeah, it's one of those malls probably. Not like, it's awesome, there's no lines. The Auntie Anne's person's just standing out in front waiting.

Yeah, the employees stand out front awaiting your arrival. Yeah, that'd be a great job. Like you rented the mall out. You shop like you're like a rapper after hours. Yeah, that sounds awesome. We're keeping it open for two hours for fucking Kendrick Lamar's coming in So he they say in the future I see more houses being crammed in the areas that they cannot fit and our nature areas being destroyed for housing reasons The school system is great except for a handful of teachers arrested for sexual harassment

Okay, that's a you. That's a big that's too many That's a big but. That's too many. That's a big except for. Yeah. Except for the teachers constantly diddling the kids. This place, the schools are. Schools are great if you can handle the rape. I mean, yeah.

Obviously, these fresh teachers outside of that. Good Lord. If I could have the option to live somewhere else, I would not move. Despite the flaws, I love it here. All right, and how many people, what's that? You love living where the teachers rape the children? What are we talking about? The school system is great, nevermind love living there.

They're not even giving a knock on the school system. It's not even the school's problem, it's that guy. It's all good. So let's see how many people don't care about that. 2,792 people is the population here. Almost 3,000 people. Still pretty damn small. Way more males than females here.

That's almost 56% male, which I think is the highest we've ever seen. That's not normal. Yeah, with less than 3,000 people, that's a real intimate school setting. That really is. Yeah, you can really get close to the kids and You can sexually harass them on a one-to-one level rather than having to sexually harass 35 kids at the same time You know no witnesses. Yes Jesus what an awful No median age here is about 33.3, which is about five years younger than the normal you know average

more married people here, it's about 54% married, and the divorce rate's about normal. Widowed rate is half here, because it's younger people. So this isn't like old people, Florida, really, except for some of the rich area. Unemployment rate here is about normal. Median household income, though, is high. Median household income in this area, $85,274.

Not bad. It's about 15 grand higher than the national average. Cost of living, let's see here, 100 is average, regular. Here it's 106. And- That's pretty close, yeah. Pretty close, housing, median home cost here, $350,200. It's not so bad.

Not so bad, pretty close to the national average. And you know, you think of, people always think of Florida as cheap though, and it's not anymore. It's definitely not a cheap place to live. That used to be the reason to go there. Well, it doesn't snow and it's cheap. That's why.

I think the Northeast sees it as affordable and cheap. Yeah, because. Compared to Massachusetts, you go. Southwest goes, holy fuck, it's the same price. Yeah, because it's compared to Massachusetts. You go out. Southwest goes, holy fuck, it's the same price. Yeah, it's the same price and it's sticky. It's a little stickier down there. We have heat, but that's sticky.

So maybe this is for you. Maybe this is, we've described exactly what you've been looking for. It's possible. And in case we have, we have for you the truly, what is it? Chuleota. Chuleota. Chuleota, Florida Florida real estate report.

The average two-bedroom rental here goes for almost double the national average. Good God. $2,430. Oh my. Obscene. I don't understand how or why why but it is very expensive to rent a place here Here's a two-bedroom one bath 1078 square foot house on a point two six acre lot. So not very big Yeah, the siding is corrugated metal. So it looks like a big trailer even though it's not

Yeah a shed it looks like a shed a shack a to be murdered, a place where if you yell inside it's gonna echo back and forth. It doesn't- I can't believe- I can't believe louvered tin is an aesthetic that people bought. It looks like a house trailer. It's so fucking- yeah, why would they buy that? What is that? They put it on their house. We're gonna put this all over our house. Your place looks temporary. I don't know if you know it. Yeah.

It's either this or vinyl siding. I can't decide. Weird. The inside is weird too. Strange floors. I've never seen floors like this. Big squares. I don't know if they're wood or what, but they look like they're laminated.

It's very strange. They look like laminated giant wood square floors. It probably is laminated. It's very strange It's so weird and green walls the walls are all green as fuck kitchens kind of fucked also doesn't look that great 250,000 bucks for that though just reduce 10 grand by the way it's gonna get I think so because this house is better three-bedroom two-bath 1,508 square foot okay point three three acre lot. It's a foreclosure everybody. Oh boy jump on the misfortune of others Let's do it everyone

It's a bit rundown the inside is very plain the kitchens from 2002. Yeah clearly couldn't afford it I mean, it's gonna be that what it is large Looks like water damage on the floor where the fridge was, like their ice machine leaked. So it's not even that they couldn't afford it, they didn't want to afford it because what's the point? They didn't give a shit. I can't afford the work. Can't do it, 279,900 bucks, just reduce 20,000.

That's gonna go lower too. Wow, this place is on sale. Well, here's another one. Everybody, you've heard about the best. Now try the rest. We have for you a five-bedroom, four-bath, 4370-square-foot house on a 5.12-acre lot. Hell yes. It sits there.

There's all grass around it, no trees right by the house, but then it looks like all woods around it. Fantastic. Beautiful place. Inside, a lot of columns in this place Very a lot of Tuscan style shit. Yeah, Carmella soprano would be just fucking soaking wet in this place. That's what it looks like It looks like this is her she designed it It's weird and nowadays so out of place very good in Florida too very cool Media room with like a starry ceiling thing. I love that 1 million six hundred ninety nine thousand bucks, but that sounds steep. It was just reduced 50 grand

So it's practically free Everything is on sale. We got trailers. We got mansions. We got it all Everything is on sale. We got trailers, we got mansions, we got it all. That's hilarious. Holy shit. So things to do in this town. What the hell are we gonna do around here? Not a lot to do really, honestly.

Because Orlando's right there, and that is like so much shit to do. Every little bit different. Here there's the Central Winds Music Festival. Oh, Central Winds. Central Winds. I was just gonna say, sounds like a fart from deep within your intestines.

That's a fart from like a taco from three days ago. It's a Central Win. What the fuck, what have they got here? Well, a family-friendly event features a variety of musical genres, food trucks, local vendors, and fun activities for all ages. Their goal is to bring the community together to celebrate music and culture,

and they're excited to showcase local talent and bring in national acts to make this a truly unforgettable experience. National acts. Here we go. Well, let's find out. Here's who was here in 2023, because they don't have this year's lineup yet,

because it's 2020, it's in October so November is a big release day for that. Well yeah they gotta let it percolate you gotta let it fucking marinate and bubble and let people really want it you know they gotta need it. Here is the 2023 music lineup of national acts. Bailey Callahan who's not the right Bailey. No, it's a redheaded lady who looks like she cut her bangs at two in the morning when she was very sad about something with a guitar. Black Canvas, which looks like a bunch of 55 year old white guys. It's a big swing and a miss. They should have got Bailey Zimmerman. They should have got the Black Crows or the Black Keys. I think they're hoping. They're missing crazy. I

think they're hoping that these sound familiar to you, but you're not expecting too much. Gilly and the Girl. Oh no. Which sounds country. But it doesn't really look it. It's a guy with a guitar, and he's got like a kind of a pork pie hat on.

Doesn't really look like a country guy. Hello Sister, which is chicks with instruments here, but they're standing there is the weird part. They're not like playing them. They look like they're 17. One looks like Meadow Soprano. Like exactly like they're like. I'm sure they're sisters.

They look alike, yeah. Megan Catarina, just a lady. No Lonely Hearts, which looks like a boy band. It's five, looks like five young handsome guys all wearing identical outfits. So. Five guys with girlfriends. Yep, five guys, well, four guys with girlfriends

and one with a boyfriend, but either way. And then finally, a band that looks like an 80s metal band that's still trying to make it, but they're. What are they called? Rocket Fly. Oh. Rock it it not rocket rocket fly and it's long wispy hair gray haired guys so that's that's will be there god damn it what's your national that's it guys oh those are that's it i believe uh the black canvas

is your narrative gilly and the girl i I have no fucking idea. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here. Property crime is, I gotta go back, hold on one second here. What you got? I gotta go back to the bands for just one minute. What an odd mixture. Yeah, something for everybody, I guess. It's so, like, they don't look like they,

they would even be in the same festival. Nevermind. They're all so different from each other. If there's a week long music festival, these people wouldn't all be on it. But for one night, they're gonna put these people together. All those different ones. They're gonna bring no lonely hearts out.

It looks like they're gonna do some dancing and all that kind of shit. Yeah, happy stuff. And they're like, here are these old man rockers after that. Enjoy. And then a bunch of sisters. And then here's, yeah, teeny bopper sisters have that. One's got a bass in her hand, that's pretty cool.

Anyway, crime rate, back to that. Property crime is just below the national average, pretty close to the national average. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is about 20% under the national average, pretty close to the national average. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about 20% under the national average. So I mean it should be safe out here. There's not much going on. And especially where, no, and especially where these people live, there's even less going on.

It's the nice rural, you know, every property has multiple acres section of town. So let's talk about a murder with this. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Let's start out with some people. All right. Let's start out with Margaret Ann Wade as her maiden name.

She'll later on be Margaret Ann Amato, M-A-A-T-O. She's born in 19- AMATO? AMATO, is that what I said? You said that now. Did I really? I'm sorry.T-O. She's born in 19. AMATO? AMATO, is that what I said? You said that. Did I not say that? Did I really? I'm sorry. AMATO.

Mm, motto. That's what I like to say when I eat a tomato. Mm, motto. Delicious. AMATO, got it. AMATO, I was looking at the other M, god damn. She's born in 1957. She is gonna be very, this whole family's successful.

Hell yeah. Except for one person. But she will end up being a senior operations manager for Nuance Transcription Company, which is, they do medical transcriptions, which is apparently a huge business. Like transcribing records of your. Records and yeah, what the doctor...

I didn't realize what a huge middleman markup that is. Yeah, it makes sense that that would be something because you gotta get that information cataloged somewhere. If you have doctor bills, that's part of it, a medical transcriber. Like we've all paid for this, it's great. It's also to protect the doctor against malpractice lawsuits, I'm sure.

I'm sure, yeah. You gotta document everything. So she's the senior operations manager. I guess she started out as a lowly transcriber, and then she worked her way up to being a boss and making very good money. She has a husband named Chad. Chad Robert Amato is his name and he's

described by his kid, one kid, as kind of a you know kind of a overbearing Italian father. Yeah he's very goal oriented and very you know you're gonna do this and everybody's gonna be a success. This is what you're gonna do in life kids and then sets the path out for him. And one of those guys. Yeah. Hey, don't embarrass us. All right. Let's go. Get out there and do some. Oh man. A lot of that. Don't embarrass me. Bullshit going on. Now Margaret has a son from a previous relationship, not a marriage, just a son she had. She's a party. She's, yeah, she's fun. She's boy. He's, His name is Jason. He's born 1984-ish. And when Margaret and Chad get married, Chad adopts Jason.

Atta boy, Chad. The father's not around at all. They want to make a family and have more kids and stuff. And they're like, well, we can't have- And you can't have this kid feel like he's not belonging. Exactly. Yeah, sure. You're the first kid now.

So that's about 1984. Now Chad is a clinical pharmacist. Oh, we got some doctor shit happening in the family. Yeah, he makes good money. Apparently the degree he has though, that he gets, he gets it, you know, 35 years ago, is different than the one the guys get now or the people get now.

So it's a like there's certain stuff. Grandfathered in probably. No, there's certain stuff like that. He kind of can't do now because he didn't. Yeah, it's a weird thing. So as he gets older, it kind of gets harder for him. Yeah. And in Florida, they crack down on pharmacists because that's where the fucking epicenter

of the opioid shit started. So yeah, of quote pain management. Right. Yeah. Right. Just like a clinic. A pain management clinic where they got a guy standing outside. Feeding junkies pills.

You walk up, hand him a 20 and then he does a hand signal of like two or three to somebody else and then that guy runs around the corner, gets it from the ground stash and then a 12 year old hands it to you as you walk to your car like the wire basically. It's a bad situation that was going on. It's not good. I didn't know what a clinical pharmacist was. What is that? Apparently, this is the definition of a clinical pharmacist.

Clinical pharmacy is the branch of pharmacy in which clinical pharmacists provide direct patient care that optimizes the use of medication and promotes health, wellness, and disease prevention. Clinical pharmacists care for patients in all healthcare settings, but the clinical pharmacy movement initially began inside hospitals and clinics. Clinical pharmacists often work in collaboration with physicians, physician assistants, nurse practitioners and other healthcare professionals. Clinical pharmacists can enter into a formal collaborative agreement with another healthcare

provider, generally one or more physicians, that allows pharmacists to prescribe medications and order lab tests. So it's almost like he's a pharmacist on site at the hospital? Yeah, it's almost like part doctor, part pharmacist, because you can prescribe things. So you're, I guess, entrusted to, I don't know. Oh yeah, that is a fascinating... Yeah, I don't know if everybody behind the counter at Rite Aid is that. I don't know why they do that.

I have no idea. I didn't know this was even a thing. To me, I just heard pharmacists and you go and you hand them a piece of paper and they hand you a little bag of pills and you leave. This guy's like, ah, the doctor gave you this one I think this is better for you. What? Yeah, I hope they call the doctor. Or this goes with that. This will suppress your, this will suppress the appetite. What the fuck? If you take that you're gonna have the shit So take this, it's gonna help. Yeah, so if you take this too. One of those, yeah. Divorced beheaded died. Divorced beheaded survived.

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That happens. You're gonna get yucky down there. I'm telling you, it is a's a it's a wilderness down there. It's a lot going on that Makes me go Wow man This dick is so much easier to deal with having a penis is so much easier to deal with dusting it off from time to time That's all you have to do That's all you have to do with it Having anything out having a vagina is like having an old house like yeah

There's something going what's what's that creaking is the, is that, you know, and it's like, it's inside. I don't, I can't tell it's up in the rafters. I can't see it in there. Where it's coming from. Your dick's just there. It's just, you could lay it on the table, examine it. Is it musty in here?

Does it smell musty? What's going on up here? Is that a bat? Are there bats in here? You never know. Yeah, your belfry is busy. You got a bat? Are there bats in here? You never know. Yeah, your belt is busy. You got a busy belfry. So a coworker of Chad's Chad ends up working at CVS health is his,

okay. Who he works for said that he worked two jobs and was very proud of all his sons. We'll talk about them now as of the late 2010s, 2017, 18 and into 19, Chad and Margaret planned to work a few more years. That's all they wanted to do. Retirement. A few more years. Yeah, they're edging up in age now. They're, she's in her early 60s, he's in his late 50s. So they said a few more years, then they're going to move down to Tennessee and retire. Move up to Tennessee. Oh yeah, I guess it would be up.

Down for, yeah. Yeah. All right, they're gonna go to Nashville and party it up. A neighbor of mine just said that his friend just moved down to Tennessee like three days ago outside. I think that was stuck in my head. So. Yeah.

She said that Chad was tired, this is Margaret said Chad was tired and stressed from working two jobs and having to deal with other people's issues and we'll talk about some of those issues. They, seems like a successful family. Their house by the way is fucking awesome. Here we'll talk about, I'll show you their house. It's a big giant house, four bedroom, four bath, 3,200 square feet, 2112 Sultan Circle in Juliota, by the way, in case you want to look it up. It's a good, high price house, nice house, big yard, good size property.

Life is decent for these people. They have some more sons. They have Jason already. They pop a couple more out. Here's Cody comes in 1987. So now father and son are Chad and Cody, which is a rough pair. Like a country band. Yeah, Chad doesn't say, or Nickelodeon show, one of the two. Disney Channel show. One of those shows that guy who allegedly touched everybody made. Yeah, like Schneider, Schneider, yeah. I'm sure that guy likes to get massages on. Yeah.

Come on, 12 year old, give me a massage. I wonder if he taught at that school. From the review, maybe that's what happened. Nobody would know, they wouldn't say anything. Never. So, Chad is an odd name for someone born in 1961. Yeah, he might be one of the first Chads. I think he might be like a real pioneer in the chatting.

Pioneer chatter, you know what I mean? He got out there- Really out front of the Chad trend. He was out there chopping trees down with an axe in Chad Forest. There's nobody else there. He made his own clearing in his house. Just carving the path, man, for all the Chads to come home. Gotta do it.

Trailblazing for Chads all throughout the country. And the world. Are there Chads anywhere else but in America? I don't know. Ah, there's a country of it, which is pretty cool. That might be a lot of people named Chad there, possibly. If you have a Chad in your phone and you go to type to them, when you type the word Chad, the flag

comes up as an opportunity to replace that word with the flag of Chad. Most people say Chad in the United States are talking about the country usually. Yeah, always. Always. Thanks, it's a very helpful suggestion Apple. I appreciate that. That's fucking fascinating.

That's fucking funny. Nobody else has that. There's no other name in an English language that there's a country of and they got a fucking flag. Is there any other Chads though? Like is there a Brazilian Chad? I don't know if that exists. Is there a Malaysian Chad? I don't know, probably if an American knocked up

some chicken Mongolia, they may have named him Chad. After the father? There's not some lady in a forest somewhere with a son named Chad. That's what I mean. Is it just whatever? That's what I'm wondering. Is there some deep in the in the jungles of the Amazon? Is there a baby Chad somewhere wearing a loincloth and being being scared of outsiders without

wanting his picture taken so his image doesn't get stolen and Saul doesn't get taken. But if you go to nail salons there's probably a little boy in fucking Vietnam named Chad. I'm sure there is after dad. If you go to nail salons I believe there's a lot of Stefanis in Vietnam. Yeah a couple. Well the ones in nail salons though generally are actually from Vietnam. Right that's my point they pick an American though, generally are actually from Vietnam. Right. That's my point. They pick an American name because there's nobody in Vietnam. No, exactly.

Stephanie, get out of here. Not usually. I don't know how that translates. I don't know if there's symbols for it, you know, characters for that one. I don't think so either. So Cody comes in 87 and then in 1989, May 20th, 1989, Grant is born. OK.

Their next son, Grant Tiernan Amato is his name. Tiernan. So Grant and Cody are the sons that they have that are, you know, they're only two years apart. So they're going to be very close. And then Jason's kind of the outsider, because he's a little bit older, and he kind of does his own thing.

It's a, he's a third wheel when it comes to the brothers though. The brothers are all together with each other and then there's Jason. I got a niece that's two years older than my daughter and they are so different. They couldn't be more different. And especially like when you're kids too. When you're 12, you're not going to shit the 10 year olds do. When you're 14, you're not going to shit the 12 year olds do. When you're 16, you want a 14 shit the 10 year olds do. When you're 14, you're not gonna shit the 12 year olds do.

Yeah, when you're 16, you want a 14 year old hanging around doing 14 year old shit? It's not till like, you know, 18, 16, 19, 17, that it's like, hey, we like to say, you like to drink and try to fuck girls? So do I, amazing. Wow, really cool, let's do that together. So Margaret, mom here,

apparently mom is real into horses. Okay. And you know that they have money if mom's into horses. Like she does horse shit. Oh yeah. Everybody here is making north of a hundred grand a year in this house, by the way. Yeah, sure. They're doing real well.

She rescued a horse, a brown-coated former racehorse named Lady. She rescued, apparently this horse just showed up into the yard and was hungry and looked a brown-coated former racehorse named Lady she rescued. Apparently this horse just showed up into the yard and was hungry and looked skinny and it was just. They got stray horses popping up? Stray ex-racehorses. These aren't wild horses. This is a stray racehorse, which is a, just let him go.

He'll find his way. Like who the hell did that? That's ridiculous. He's gonna open the door and let them, they'll come back. It's not a hell did that? That's ridiculous. So. He's gonna open the door and let them, they'll come back. It's not a fucking cat. That thing's huge. It's a giant horse.

It was just like eating leaves and shit. And she's like, oh, we gotta fix this. So she took the horse and put it in a stable nearby. So as she said, she would, they said every day she'd ride her bike from her house to the nearby Miracle Lane stables where she boarded this. She pays to have this house, this horse taken care of. And she would, they said she worked tirelessly to rehabilitate this horse and help it and you know, get it back healthy

and all this type of shit. Um, I guess she tried to train this race horse to like have people riding it again because it had been like feral it went feral I've never heard of a horse going feral, but apparently they do goes back to its roots Yeah, I guess Mars Margaret was bucked off several times while training lady and hurt and her neighbor said she never Never wavered though. She got right back in there And kidding me kept getting on this fucking horse. Yeah, this is you know know, a 50 something year old lady is like, I'll break a hip over this shit. I don't care.

Fixing this horse. Breaking a hip or his spirit, but I'm going to break something. One of the two, her friend Jules said some of us would shake our heads, but Margaret never gave up on Lady and it blossomed into a wonderful relationship because Margaret never gave up. Unbelievable. So they became close after that. This is a whole separate story.

This is just a nice story about a lady and a horse. There's no murder. Surprise everyone, no murder today. Isn't that sweet? She fed her carrots and shit. I've never heard anybody just like petting a horse and it eventually accepts you. You gotta beat the living shit out of that thing

for it to listen to you. I've seen, dude, I've seen these crazy videos of these people that are like weird horse people. And they're like, whispers to you? Have you ever seen this? No, no, no. They just have this like fucking, you give them like a couple minutes with a horse, give them like 10 minutes with like a wild horse and it'll like start fucking doing what the

guy wants in 10 fucking minutes. And it's all about calmness. It's so weird. There's none of this like aggression or any of that shit. Really? It's about calmness? I know they do respond to a calm, but at some point you've got to fucking whip it too, you know what I mean?

No, this guy doesn't do any of that shit. The ones I've seen, the guys are really good at it, don't do any of that stuff. They just have like this calmness where like there's a certain thing like if they're, it's weird. Like it's, it's almost like a clutch. Like you give a little, take a little, but like real fitness. Yeah. It's like in my yard with deer. If the deer, if I walk outside and there's some deer there, I don't want them to run away and spook them and shit. So you stand still and they stare at you. I'll just look away and like take a couple steps in the other direction. Then they're like, oh, okay, he's not trying to fuck with me. He's not interested.

That's kind of what you have to do with these horses. You have to act like I'm not interested in your horse. Fascinating. Fuck you. I'm not trying to train you. I'm just hanging out here. I'm trying to ride you. And then like they get interested in you a little bit and then you have to kind of, it's

a very weird thing. I don't know how people do it, but it's a, I think that's something you gotta kind of be born with and then work on a lot probably too. I guess that's, cause there's probably multiple approaches and those are probably two of them. Cause I know that people beat the living shit out of these things to break their spirit and it's fucked up. I'm sure, especially you probably don't have to be

as smart to do that. Right, yeah, that's just punching and thrashing. That's how people raise kids too. The dumb ones just beat the shit out of them because they're too smart, not smart enough to figure out how to fucking mentally, how to mentally bend this thing that's way dumber than me to my will.

Right. You know, and I think that's probably the same class of people. There's a couple ways. You can do it by force or finesse. Yeah, and by the way, I don't know shit about raising horses, so if I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't know. I've read them, I've cared for them, but I've never. Don't know. Yeah, I've never had to beat them to eat them. They're already I guess broken by the time I rode them. And they're giant and terrifying. I'm gonna fucking bite. Hitting that thing. What if it bites me? It's gonna take my arm off.

Fuck that. I'd rather get bitten than kicked. That kick is a, it is nasty. Holy shit. Not doing that. Yeah, so she never gave up. Then Lady ended up dying eventually. But Margaret would still go to the stables

to be around the other horses, to brush and train them. Just volunteer, it wasn't getting paid or anything. These are somebody else's horses. Yeah, she'd just show up to hang out the other horses, to brush and train them. Just volunteer, it wasn't getting paid or anything. These are somebody else's horses. Yeah, she'd just show up to hang out with the horses and brush them and help train them and she liked being around the horses, so that's what she did. So yeah, their house is very beautiful.

Like their house right now, the Zestimate on it in 2024 is 853,500 bucks. 853, no, it's a nice house out there. Now here is Grant's take on Juliota here. Grant is the youngest son. He said, regarding Juliota, it's another topic all on its own. It was my home for 25 out of my 29 years of being alive,

that was at the time that he wrote it. It used to be so recluse and rural, but over the past five years, it has had a great deal of development. This is both good and a bad thing. Fortunately, we lived in an old neighborhood that stayed peaceful despite all the development. They live in the area with six acre properties

with big houses and nobody's selling them to developers or any shit like that. Ordinances passed to keep them the same. Oh yeah, there's not gonna be an apartment complex with six acre properties with big houses and nobody's selling them to developers or any shit like that. This is- Ordinances passed to keep them the same. Yeah, oh yeah, there's not gonna be an apartment complex in this area anytime soon. So he said, our property was about four acres and it started with hundreds of beautiful pine

and oak trees and palmettos. So this is, these kids are growing up wanting for nothing. Nothing. I mean that. The house is beautiful. The inside is nice. It's clean. They have toys and things they ever want.

And camps and school. And anything they could want. They have a big yard and property to run around on. A safe neighborhood to play in. It's very, very idyllic childhood for them. He said it was almost like a forest. Then Hurricane Charlie came around and tore down so many trees.

Fortunately, that home never sustained any damage after all the years in hurricanes. That's lucky. I think that's why, by the way, a lot of these houses have, like they're cleared around the house, and then there's trees like 100 feet from the house so nothing falls on it.

It's not the hurricane that does it, it's the shit that that hurricane throws at your house. It's trees falling on it. He said that the people there weren't what I would call eccentric but elitist. So he's calling the people elitist. He's like, they're not like, it's not like an artist community. They're just up in the...

They're just pompous dicks. Yeah. Yep. He said, they're a proud community, a community that doesn't want to change and be a part of all the development. All the development brought many stores and commodities to our rural world. My only complaint about living where I do is that the extremely fast internet packages hadn't reached us yet.

Oh. The real fast ones. Neither did Uber Eats. Sad, I know reached us yet, the real fast ones. Neither did Uber Eats. Sad, I know. He says sad, I know, for instance. In what year, geez. This is 2019. No Uber Eats. No Uber Eats and not the very fast internet.

He's still working with regular cable internet, which is rough. That's shitty. Brace yourself for the next eight months because it's gonna get real bad out there. He's gonna need Uber Eats and fast internet. Yeah, he ends up getting the fast internet after a while, but for a long time it wasn't there. Now the brothers, they need to talk about their relationship, Cody and Grant's relationship. They're extremely, extremely, extremely close. I say that three times for a reason.

Because people thought it was weird always. Really? Like so close, usually brothers, brothers can be very close and unless they're twins, you know, like even if they're twins, people don't think it's weird that they're that close. You know? Like it's just, oh yeah, they're brothers.

That's why they're close. But they're like Collier Brothers weird. As the Patreon episode of those guys. We did. Guys in New York City that shared this apartment and never talked to anybody else for decades and all this shit. That's how people think of them. Like they're real weird together.

And Cody is dad's favorite, Grant is mom's favorite. You notice the baby is always, I meant out of the two. Yeah, I don't know too always mom Yeah, the baby's always mom's favorite for some reason. That's so strange to me So and I guess Cody's the firstborn boy. So he's dad's favorite. So Apparently Cody dad's not alone in his love of Cody. Everyone loves Cody. Cody's a great kid. He's popular, he's successful, he does everything that everybody likes. He says the right thing, he does the right thing.

He's good looking. Yeah, why can't you be like your brother, Grant? And Grant is not, Grant's his right hand. He's always right next to him and all that kind of thing, but he's two years younger, and he definitely looks up to Cody and looks to him but they're inseparable they do everything together. They went to Timber Creek High School and they both joined the weightlifting team together. Yeah they said Cody was a much better weightlifter Grant even said he's like Cody was better much stronger. Grant here I'll

show you the picture of Grant as an adult here, here you go. Oh boy, oh that's not good. Yeah, see what I mean? Yeah, he's a gangly looking fuck. Yeah, that's not good at all. He's got a bad head shape. How old is that kid?

In that picture he's in his 20s. Oh no! Yeah, late 20s, pre-30. He's got the head of a 48-year-old. Yes. His hairline does not match anything. No, no, no, no, no. But it does match this. I've got better hair than him.

Yeah. He has like a sad long face though that the hairline looks like it goes with, but not on a 28-something-year-old man. Yeah. On an older man who's had tragedy in his life. It's like an alien shape where like the bottom is long and thin,

and the top is like he's got a big brain or something in there, and his hair can't cover it all. He's got a three failed marriage hairline too. He's got one there that looks like it's just, that's the best way to describe it, but he's very young. And Cody has full head of perfect hair. Oh, good for you, Cody. So your older brother has great hair

and your hair sucks, is shitty. And you can't lift shit. And you can't, yeah, he's stronger and has a fucking more hair. And you're like great, this is perfect, now I got this to deal with. But he's not jealous, nobody says he's ever jealous of Cody. They're just so tight, it doesn't matter.

Like if, yeah. Contempt with what he's got. He loves it. Well they have the same thing. They do everything together. So they always, outside of the hair and the looks, they have the same type of deal. When they graduate high school, both Cody and Grant

went to the University of Central Florida. So they both went there. I believe because we find out later that there's no student debt from this. I believe their parents paid for them to go to college. So I mean, their lives, dude. Wow, couldn't be more different. So great, it's what I mean.

Can you imagine this? Jesus. And the father laid out, you're gonna go into the medical field, you're gonna go to this college, I'm gonna send you there, this is where you're gonna go, you're gonna both do the nursing program, that's what you're gonna do.

And they both wanna become nurse anesthesiasts. Is that how you say it? Anesthesiologists? Yes, anesthesiologists nurse is what it is. Fuck, golly. That's good money, that's over 100 grand a year and a very solid profession that's not going anywhere. Dude, when I had kids, I paid so many doctors,

so much money. Oh, so much money. And the medical transcriptions. The person that made the most money was the guy that did the epidural. Fuck yeah. Both times. Yeah.

The doctor didn't get paid shit. No, and that's because a cab driver can catch a baby that comes out. Yeah, right. To put a fucking needle into your spine without paralyzing you. It's crazy. Takes fucking ability and skill. You bet.

Yep. So that's interesting. So anyway, yeah, that's they both go there and that's a very good job. Absolutely. It really is. The brothers had a plan with their life that they were both going to be nurses and anesthesiologists and they were going to buy matching BMWs. Okay. This is what I mean about like that's matching BMWs

and they were gonna live at home until their parents retired and moved to Tennessee and then they would just live in the house. They'd take it over with their matching BMWs. What a life. His and also his. His and his. Brother's BMW's. It makes no sense. No. And to be in your 20s and maybe 30s living with your brother. I can't do that. That's

nobody and especially if everybody's making a hundred fucking thousand dollars a year. This isn't like oh God we're all poor like we do some stories where they all live in a house in the hills and there's a shack out in the back property and, you know, this, the son's family lives in a trailer off on the east side of the property. None of that going on. These people are- Pooling their money and they don't have to

because there is no money to pool. This is crazy. This is, either kid is gonna be able to afford their own house and instead they're both gonna live home and just wait for the parents to leave and then the parents will just give them a house because they've given them everything else in this fucking world.

There's, by the way, a lot of rumor swirling around this case that, and it's just rumor, and I'm just putting it out there as rumor and making sure to say this is not a fact and we don't know shit, but there's a lot of rumor that there is some lot of rumor that there is some sort of Menendez component to this where people think... Underlying issues?

Possibly the father was doing something weird to the boys, the father's very overbearing, but it seems like he might just be very overbearing. There are fathers who just, you know, are, you who just knock their kids around a little bit when they don't do exactly what they want and try to keep them on the straight and narrow path, quote unquote, and all that shit. Toe the line of legality with tough love. And also don't fuck them. That also exists too.

So we don't know, but there's some weirdness to it that's a very strange thing. Grant said of his brother Cody, he'd take care of everything for me. He just, he does, he always helps him. They watch anime together a lot. They're real into anime. Oh boy. Super, I mean, Grant is, his whole fucking room from floor to ceiling everywhere is just lined with boxes.

Those, you know, unopened boxes of anime figures of every stripe imaginable. It's this whole fucking room, dude. It was hundreds of them. And further, obviously more. Now there, that's kind of, I think the basic shit they get into like the more they're doing deep underground. They're doing absolute.

Well here we go. Let's let's hear from Grant. He said anyways you mentioned anime. This is in a letter. I'd love to talk about that. He said I love it. It was a passion my brother Cody and I shared and started at the same time. I have to give him full credit for exposing me to anime all the way back in 2013.

At the beginning we would watch previously aired shows together. He would download the series and we would watch them together. The first five anime shows we watched together were Full Metal Panic, Gundam Zero Zero, Gundam Zero Zero, Full Metal Alchemist. I wonder if that has to do with full metal panic Is it like a little spin-off? cartoon yeah code

G-E-A-S-S I don't know G and G ass and death note Yeah, I don't know those no. He said cold code G ass is still today our favorite anime of all time No, he said code code GS is still today our favorite anime of all time And this is after six years thousands of shows and thousands of hours logged in this quote-unquote hobby Yeah As I stated my brother and I would watch almost every new series that came out each season

Four seasons per year and roughly 30 series per season Jesus Christ, that's a hundred and fucking. That's a lot of work, man. That's a lot. Each ranging from 13 to 26 episodes. Wow. How do you have the time? You know what they, sounds like they don't have, I hear a lot of time for work and school

and anime. I'm not hearing. Not much anything else. No girls, man. No dating, I'm not hearing. Not much anything else, no girls, man. No dating, no hobbies. Fun, no outdoor shit, nothing. They do get into something like that, as we'll talk about. He said, and we watched countless series and movies

that were previously released, Cody had such a knowledge and passion for anime that I fell in love with him. I remember numerous nights we would finish an episode or a series and talk the night away over coffee down in the kitchen. Yeah. He said, because of our love for the culture

that was derived from all the anime we watched, it was a dream of ours to go to Japan and experience this wonderful culture. He said, yeah. He said that's what he said that. And they end up going to Japan at one point. Really?, yeah, he said that's what he said. And they end up going to Japan at one point. Really? Oh yeah, a couple times.

And he said they were, he was blown away as he was walking through Tokyo and Kyoto saying there's not a single piece of trash on the sidewalk. So yeah, he's got the full room of anime toys. He's in his 20s, you know, this is getting interesting. So very, very dorky, very dorky. So when they go to this, I guess you do college, then you have to go to the special nursing program for this. Yeah, there's a, yeah, it's, yeah, it's doing graduate.

Yeah. So Cody graduates from the nurse anesthesia program, but Grant is kicked out. Oh no. He gets kicked out of the program. Now no, he was kicked out. He apparently got in an argument and this is his reason and there's some documentation to back it up. He got into an argument with an instructor, a doctor of some kind over how much length to insert a catheter into a female patient.

In the, for urine, that kind of catheter? I guess, yeah, catheter in a female patient. And there was a discrepancy between the two about how far in it should go. And Grant argued and argued about this, and I guess he was he was wrong apparently and so they kicked him out of the program Wow, I mean if you don't know that then you can't do this Yeah, and if you're arguing with your instructor was telling you what to do that seems I have the textbook right here that says this and we've been doing this for 300 years to do what you're told And everybody else that we do this with is doing it the way I told him and then you're like no no stick it in farther. You got to get in there like that's not part of going too far

Yeah, maybe too far with that and Grant ended up getting upset with Cody For the first time ever pretty much because Cody didn't stick up for him He said He thought maybe Cody would like rally like a protest, like get all the students behind him so they would all go, no, you're not kicking Grant out. That's ridiculous. And like rally a protest. He said, but, but Cody had his own, the way he put it, his own image to maintain as far

as being like the perfect student and all this sort of shit. So he didn't want to cause trouble in his own deal, so he just shut the fuck up and did the program and graduated. So yeah, but Grant was a little bit, not too upset in the end, but that's what caused a little bit of beef where he was like, dude, what the fuck, man?

You don't stick up for me? So, I mean, he said that, Grant said that growing up in high school and college He said that the both he and Chad were are he and Cody were very heavily restricted He said restricted and what they were allowed to do. Okay sheltered. Yeah, very strict parents Yeah, he said that we were allowed to do some things He said it wasn't like the Jason situation where he wasn were allowed to do some things. He said it wasn't like a Jason situation where he wasn't allowed to do anything.

I guess Jason wasn't allowed to go anywhere, which is probably why Jason moves away pretty much immediately once he gets out of the house. He moves away from the family. He's the fuck out. But these kids do the exact opposite and lean into it and stick around forever. So it's very interesting.

He said that the disciplinarian in the family was dad and that was it. And he said that he would lock Jason in his room and he said the mom didn't agree with that but dad did it anyway, wouldn't let him out. He said he didn't approve of it but dad would be like very angry and he would be overbearing is what he said.

He said he would like push my mom. And like in one instance, it was getting to that age where me and Cody were kind of getting old enough to maybe be able to do something if she needed our help. So it got to that age where he's saying, dad was pushing mom around and they were getting older. Like, hey, maybe we should help her. He said, and I remember her and my dad were like in their room which if you go down the stairs is right to there

to the left um we heard our mom yell that he's hurting me he's hurting me and then me and cody run downstairs and we go into the room and we're trying to get our dad off of our mom and then my dad goes back and that's when one of my nose is, that's when my nose got its little bridge like that. You see how he has that bump on his nose? His dad broke his nose I think is the problem. He said right there, I mean that's like how he did it. He did it with a two by four, you know, like baseball practice.

His dad did that? Yes. He said that he would, like, he would have, he made it into a paddle. Okay. He said he was definitely overbearing, but he would always rationalize that he's just trying to like secure our future.

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toward my mom, and violent toward me, Grant said. He said never toward Cody and never toward Jason. He said that he always said never toward Cody. Why? He's like he would beat me up and me and Cody be doing the same thing and he beat me with a paddle and not hit Cody at all. Fascinating. He's like that's weird. He said I could kind of see it but Cody never really made any mistakes either. He said he did a few things wrong, maybe he lied a few times but he said I guess he didn't do, he wasn't as bad as me or something. Right. He said that you know Jason got into trouble a couple of times and he said

it cost his dad a little, some money. A few times. He said that, I guess that we, he and Jason had that difficulty where it's like we got to see, or we got to do something. And I just don't want to tell dad about it. You know, like teenager shit, but then Cody wouldn't do that stuff. He said that beatings with like a two by four he'd get, and then you know, he'd use it like, I mean it was like a two by four that was like fashioned into a paddle called the lightning

rod. I think is what he called it. He broke it on me once. Oh, Jesus. So he had a name for the thing. I find it very weird when parents have a name for the object they beat their kids with. They're like, I'm going to get the lightning rod out. Like, holy fuck, dude.

That's very abusive. You're trying to get a Pavlov's dog. Yeah. And tried to find a clever name for a beating instrument. The lightning rod. Jesus. That is fucking ridiculous. He said that he'd do that and he'd push you around and he'd want to punch you and bruise you. He said he never slapped me, but I guess I should say the only

place I ever got bruises is on my butt. Then he said his nose was in the previous thing, so who knows? Yeah, he's got a permanent bump on his face. So, he goes on to say that his dad, he said, quote, he would just make me feel bad. He made me feel bad that Cody's doing all this stuff and I'm not, you know, I'm not contributing and like, yeah, Cody's why is why can't you be more like Cody type of shit? Yeah. He's

like, I can't grow any more hair. This is all I have. You did this to me. You did this to me. So Grant was able to find work at Advent Health Orlando as a nurse. Because he's not a nurse anesthesiologist, whatever, but he's a registered nurse still, yeah. So both brothers make good money. His brother is a nurse anesthesiast, and he's working here. They both make good money,

but they both live at home still. It's not good. In their 20s, just hanging out. I mean, Cody's making over 100 grand a year without any bills. Yeah. He's just sucking cash away, I guess. It's not good for, in my opinion, but it would be great.

I don't know, fuck. The parents are going to hand them a house. Yeah. And he's going to have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank. Like, they're setting him up for quite a good retirement down the road here for Cody. It's a lot of fun, disposable disposable income in Florida if he wants to.

Yes, and that's what they do. They buy, we'll talk about what they buy, but it's all the shit they're into. But Grant said that they stayed home also because dad had a hard time letting go. Oh, dad didn't want them to leave. Dad didn't want them to leave. He wanted them to stay close by. He was afraid as soon as they left, they'd turn into fuck-ups. Yeah, it is. Because he couldn't monitor them. It's easy. It is by. He was afraid as soon as they left, they'd turn into fuck-ups. Yeah, it is slow.

Because he couldn't monitor them. It's easy. It is, it is very easy to get mixed up in something. And they're around drugs all the time, every day. Oh, yeah. And nurses get involved in this shit a lot. Nurses have like the highest rate of drug addiction there is because it's right fucking there.

You know what I mean? It's right there. And it's a stressful job. A lot of times, there's shit hours and things like that. Drugs right in front of your face. It makes sense. So then you're just left with this situation this weird you do speaking of weird Here's some quotes from Grant about Cody and yeah, listen I have brothers and I love them, but this is a this is fucking weird to say this. I'm it's just weird

I don't know how else to put it. I'll let you be the judge. Quote. Grant said it about Cody? This is Grant. Quote, Cody was the love of my life. Is that a weird thing to say about your brother? You can't say that. I've never in my life heard siblings describe someone as the love of their life. A minute ago he said he was in love with him because of the...

No, he said he fell in love with anime, with him. Oh, with him, got it. Like together. In love with anime. Okay, in love with the... But here he's going right out. He was the love of my life. We were so compatible.

He's the person I knew was always going to be there for me. He was, listen to this line, because I've heard people say this about like a woman Before that they've you're just like they've been together for 30 years quote. He was kind of my angel on this earth Hmm. Have you ever heard again siblings describe that love of my life so compatible compatible Yeah, he's just fuck. He adoresores him always knew he's gonna be there for me He's the angel of earth. He said I always sest I don't think I've ever heard of that except I mean I mean gauge like child molestation incest. That's the only thing I've ever heard of I've never heard of brothers being just in love with each other at least one in love with the other

Yeah, heard it and the other being right there, too He said I always thought Cody would be my significant other, so to speak. Does that mean this doesn't get better? He doesn't clarify. You can't so to speak that. Yeah. Well, you would imagine starting with Cody

was the love of my life. Let me clarify. And then he would like make it like more clear what he's talking about and less ambiguously gay. I mean that way. Instead, he makes it worse. He's like, I mean really, just the bulge of his dick outline in his shorts when he'd get out of a pool,

I don't know what it was, I'd go crazy. He might as well say that at this point. Significant other means something very specific. So to speak. Not so to speak. You can't so to speak. No, that is not a so to speak situation Holy fuck. No, so you haven't spoke you son of a bitch. Yeah, so to speak back up

He said no matter where we went we'd always be together and do everything together And then here's another thing I've never heard anyone say outside of it with a spouse I always hope we I've always hoped we'd pass away at the exact same time like holding hands Okay Think about that whole statement. He just made Cody was all of my life. We were so compatible He's the person I I always I knew was always gonna be there for me. He was kind of like my angel on this earth I always thought Cody would be my significant other, so to speak. No matter where we went, we'd

always be together and do everything together. I always hope we pass away at the exact same time. Does he want to eat him and have him be part of him? What is he doing? Keep him in a freezer just so he can look at him every once in a while, prop him up next to him while they play video games for a while, put the PlayStation controller in his hand and be like, Cody, you suck today, bro. I'm kicking your ass. Die at the same time. Die at the same time.

And this, by the way, isn't like a bunch of different quotes from different times of all these together. He said this in one chunk out of his mouth. In one sitting. One sitting. So they're very into anime and video games as well, which kind of go hand in hand. Cody loves it too.

They're just into that. They want to go to Japan, they end up going to Japan. They're also really into guns. Really? Really into guns, and the whole family's into guns. Dad walks around with a holster on all the time. Really? Yeah, they have, you know, shit gets rough at the pharmacy.

I don't know what the... He's giving epidural to a pregnant woman. I got my 45 here. How are you doing? Doc Holliday, nice to meet you. What the fuck are we doing here? So yeah, the kids, they love guns and they both work and don't have bills. So they have tons of money to buy thousands of dollars worth of crazy guns. Is that what they do?

No, they have all sorts of crazy guns. Is that what they do? No, they have all sorts of crazy guns that they buy. Yeah, they go to the ranges all the time. They said they would go to the range and spend thousands on ammo. Yeah, ammunition is insane now. Yeah, especially for crazy guns. Right, if you got nutty shit that costs a buck fifty a round, that's pretty expensive. It's not 38 revolver ammo, you know what I'm saying?

It's expensive shit. Yeah, and if you're busting them off full auto, it's gonna, you go through that shit fast. But they just spend tons of money on ammo and guns and go shoot for hours and have a good time. That's what they were into. And then they'd come home and play the shooter games on TV or video games.

Yeah, that'll be good too, because you see the gun in the game and you're like, we should get one of those. Yeah, we should get that. I want weapons package number three from Grand Theft Auto 5. That's what I want, all of those. I mean, it's ridiculous. They can afford it.

They're living like adult children. I can't imagine living that life. That's so bizarre. Just adult children, just like, yay, jobs and money, but mom still has dinner on the table at six. Alright. We don't even have to worry about that. And also, I hope you get off on time because there's an opening at the range. Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm wondering, do these boys do their own laundry? That's the question I have.

No. There's no way they do, right? There's no way Grant washes his shit-stained underwear. No way. He doesn't. someone does it for him. Yeah, so In addition to all of that. They're also really into airsoft wars Which are basically if you've seen paintball wars that they have this is paintball shit with airsoft guns Which are little plastic pellets rather than bullets. They fucking hurt me. They come out fucking hard. Jesus. Rod had tons of those guns and he'd have targets set up all around his house.

So you'd just be sitting in his living room and he'd pick up this giant fucking 357 long barrel crazy pellet gun and just pop off shots at this thing. Like, holy fuck. It was fun. So they were a member of of us they had a team and everything yeah they had both the members of a competitive airsoft team called remedy that was the name of the team oh because they're yeah they got the remedy James they got the remedy yeah it's probably all nurses on the

team yeah and they would like grant said that he was Cody's right-hand guy and that Cody was the aggressor yeah he said that he was Cody's right hand guy and that Cody was the aggressor. He said he would cover Cody and everything. Everything they did, it was like Cody would go charge something while Grant would like, you know, be, have higher ground. Lay down, ground cover. Lay down.

Yeah. So that's how they did it. And he was happy to be like Cody's right hand man. To be a part of it. Yeah. Didn't want to be the man or all that shit. He didn't care. So things couldn't be going better for everybody here,

right? Yeah, it sounds great. Except for whatever weird sexual energy is floating around this house. Yeah, there's something, yeah, somebody needs a blowjob, for sure. Yeah, for sure. And like I said, I'm not saying the father

molested them at all. I'm just saying a lot of people were saying that stuff, and I'm like, I don't know if that's true, nobody even alleges that, but's something you certainly got some interesting Punishment techniques according to grant but according to grant we don't know who the hell knows. Yeah, so June of 2018 This is when things start to get a little iffy and will little squishy things start to get a little iffy and a little squishy. Is it going to get loopier?

Grant is under suspicion of stealing and improperly administering medication to patients and for the fact that his job thinks he's suicidal. So they deny allegations that he was suicidal, saying the officers at his job called said that he didn't meet the criteria to be a danger for himself or others around him. They did, though, conclude that there was evidence to the claim of improper medicine administration. Okay. Hospital staff found eight empty vials of the sedative propofol.

Oh. P-R-O-P-O-F-O-L. That's what killed Michael Jackson. found eight empty vials of the sedative propofol. Oh. P-R-O-P-O-F-O-L. That's what killed Michael Jackson. Yes, well, it's an anesthesia, that's why. It's not something that you just take all the time to go to sleep, it's something that's a free surgery. It's not a sleep aid.

No, that's why. It's a fucking knockout. It's a knockout that is, they make you sign that form before you get anesthesia, this is why, because this shit might It's a fucking knockout. It's a knockout that is, you know, they make you sign that form before you get anesthesia. This is why, because this shit might, you never, might never wake up with this shit. So it is the active component of an intravenous anesthetic formulation

used for induction and maintenance of general anesthesia. Boy, boy. That's the definition of it. So this had not been ordered by any doctors. And they found empty vials though, but it hadn't been ordered by anybody. And they found empty vials, though, but it hadn't been ordered by anybody. And they found the vials in two rooms that Grant had been overseeing. So they learned that he had been, the officers learned that he'd been accused of committing grand theft at the hospital. The staff told the police officers that on June 19th, 2018, eight unordered empty vials of propofol worth $258.38 per vial

for a total of $2,067.04 were found in two rooms under his care. And the hospital's pharmacist found that Amato had taken the propofol and put it in his pocket, which I don't think is procedure. Hold on. So he just opened the packages, threw those on the floor,

and put the propofol in his pocket. Just pocket it like you just bought a dime bag on the corner. Where's he gonna go? I don't know. What's he doing with this? Well, the hospital's pharmacist found out about that, and that's how this happened.

I guess they said, the police said in the arrest report that Amato admitted that he stole the propofol for patient use. He said according to a letter of apology written to Florida hospitals that was submitted into evidence, Amato stated that he administered the drug to patients who were not being adequately relaxed by doctor-ordered medication. Oh, so he's making calls now. He's making fucking calls on what very strong medications to dole out to fucking people

that the doctors have not given. He can't do that. No, he's like, you're not, oh, you still, you can't fall asleep, I'll get you something for that. I got you, yeah. Wow, he said he didn't use the propofol or steal the propofol, he just administered it. Okay. He is, which is even propofol, he just administered it.

Which is even crazier, if he fucking stole it for personal use, they're selling it, I could see that. You know what I mean? That I could at least understand the logic behind it. Giving, just administering drugs to, incredibly strong drugs to patients that weren't ordered that, that's's weird and not with nefarious purposes He's not one of these. Yeah, he's trying to help He's not one of these crazy nurses that we've talked about we've had a few cases where they're killing patients on purpose

He's not even doing that. He's just trying to help. Yeah try to be good at his job, which is so fucking weird This is not the job to go above and beyond on when it comes to this type of shit They ordered oxy, but I think you'll do better on Dilaudid. What? I think you'll like this better. I think you'll find this to be much more helpful. Less itchy. You know what I mean? You're going to like it. You can't do that. What the fuck? He's so, yeah, he's suspected of stealing and giving patients unordered propofol for a longer period, and Florida Hospital is induct is conducting

an investigation to find out the total amount stolen. So yeah, he just said they weren't being adequately relaxed. Wow, I don't jerk them off. Yeah, I don't know. So the hospital then fired him and he gets arrested for grand grand larceny. The charges are later dropped actually though, somehow. I don't know why it's dropped, but I guess they didn't have enough evidence

to go forward with it, but they definitely had enough evidence to have shit can his ass. So now he's been fired and has this on his record that he stole drugs, so no one's hiring him. Oh, and he's disgraced because he was kicked out of school. Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. It's one thing because he was kicked out of school. Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. It's one thing if he got kicked out of school and he does his job, that's one thing.

And it's one thing if he stole the drugs for personal use and then he went to rehab or something. He stole the drugs and gave them to people. How do you fix that? You can't fix that. And what he was kicked out of school for was for arguing the yes for correct procedure here when everybody else Is doing it that way and then he gets a job and then he's he decides I'm not gonna argue it I'll just do it my way. No, what are you doing?

He sure just went to medical school if he wanted to be a fucking doctor So it seems like he really wants to be a doctor and then write some journals about the right way to do things and then he really wants to be a doctor. And then write some journals about the right way to do things and then be loud about your treatment. Instruct others and kick them out for bad catheter practice. There you go. I don't know. So he can't find any work.

He's applying for jobs but he can't find any work. So he attempts to start a whole new career. Whole new career as well. Let's see. What do you do? It's the late 2010s Yeah, you have no job. You can't do anything. What can you do? You can be a twitch star Oh, is that what he does he tries to be a streamer on twitch a video game guy video game stream?

Yes, that's early. That's an early adopter Yes, the problem with that is the only people that make money there are guys who yell racial slurs and women who are hot. Those are the people who make money on Twitch. People wanna see guys yell the N-word at people or a hot chick play video games. That's fun, yeah. One of the two.

A dork sitting there. Yeah, just playing the game. He's terrible at it too. Like I've seen the videos of him. The point is no matter what you're doing in the game, you're supposed to have a personality and supposed to be like, oh, what's this guy doing now? Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

And then you, like I said, her all racial slurs or whatever you do on there. He just sits there stone-faced. Not even facial, even if he had facial expressions, he's just stone-faced. Just playing a game. I watched this clip. It's like 20 seconds of he's just stone-faced. I watched this clip. It's like 20 seconds of him sitting there stone-faced, and then he goes, I don't know what just happened there.

You go, no one's going to pay to watch that. Sorry, no one. We're going to need you to explain it, man. No one's paying for that, Chief. Sorry. No, not at all. Yeah, I guess he charged $5 a month was the thing. And in his best month, he made about $150. Jeez Louise.

Or $5, it's like $5 every 45 days or something. Oh. They, you get paid out, I guess. So yeah, he made about $150 per month in his best month of Twitch. And that was supposed to be like his new career like his Fucking parents bought him all sorts of equipment for this shit I'm sure yeah the extra monitors and the big headphones and the good webcam and like, you know spent thousands of dollars on him

So he could set up his twitch industry. This stuff is so expensive. I mean, it's all expensive It's always been like that. Electronics cost a fuckload of money. Yeah, especially up-to-date ones, and you have to have the up-to-date shit if you're doing that because otherwise kids are going to make fun of you. Yeah, you can't have a Twitch stream where everybody just roasts you. Roast your piss-poor shitty old man equipment. You're supposed to be the star, not the audience. It's not good.

Yeah, that's going to be bad. Bad shit. So 150 a month is the best he made. So instead of like trying harder to get his audience up, he's not really a stick to it kind of guy, Grant. No, he just like kind of stops doing it because it's not working. Right. Because he tried it for a few months and didn't become like a major sensation. So he's like, well, I fucked that.

I guess I guess I quit, which is pretty ridiculous. Short sighted. You got to stick with something. You got to keep going and plug away and put things out and make your imagine when we first started crime and sports was our first podcast. It was out. We did it for a year before we started small town murder. If we would have stopped after two months, nobody was listening after two months, nobody knew where the, I mean,

it would have been a very, probably a prudent decision to quit at that point and stop wasting our time. It made a lot of sense back then. Yeah, we said, no, we're going to double down and try harder. We're going to make another. We ended up working out, but that's what you have to do. I mean, he basically had the same first two months as us except he quit.

That was the problem. Yeah. We didn't make $150 for a fucking year. No, yeah, but the other thing is like we didn't have anything. It took us two years to make $150. We had something else that we were doing that we were unsuccessful at. Yes, exactly.

That we couldn't break the next fucking level at too. So it was a very frustrating life for us. All these, anything that's in the media, it's very hard. You got to have things that finger fucking each other, you know what I mean? You got to have everything pre-pollinating or cross-pollinating and moving numbers. Otherwise it's just, you're going to get stagnant. Nothing's merit-based also. No, right. Moving numbers the otherwise it's just you're gonna get stagnant. Nothing's merit-based also No, it's all based on some strange a wave

Yeah, intergalactic bingo ball that gets picked out, you know, like it doesn't it's yours fucking run with it. Otherwise you're fucked So rather than doing that he just visits porn sites all the time. Oh, yeah, that's what he does So he just sits there with all this equipment and like eight monitors around him just looking at chicks diddling themselves. So one day he's on a Torrent site. And do you know Torrents? Do you have any Torrents experience? So I'm familiar with Torrents.

You could rip music and stuff back in the day. Back in the day, yeah. I don't know what they do with them now. Okay. Torrents, they're still around now, but it's less of a thing in like the late 2000s and early 2010s like Torrents were everything I fucking ripped everything I had I Never why didn't watch anything on TV. I just rip it and fuck I'd find or not rip it I download the torrent and fucking do that

So I did that with everything so he's on a torrent site Which is where he gets all the anime shit from because it's Japanese so it's not like he can stream it. No, so that's the way you do it. And while he's on this site, it's probably Pirate Bay because that's kind of the most popular one. Yeah, the Pirate Bay. So he's probably on there but on these torrent sites, tons of banner ads on these torrent sites. They're fucking everywhere. Oh god, that's how they make money. Yeah. Like you'll click on a torrent and it goes to the page of a banner of a fucking ad,

then you have to click backwards and then click on it again to get to the thing. It's very frustrating, but it's free, everything you want, so you do it. But you're watching every episode of The Office, so shut the fuck up. You got everything. So he's watching, he's looking for Torrents,

and he sees the banner ad on top for My Free Cams. Oh boy. Now, My Free Cams is a site. And he clicked it? Jesus, that scares the shit out of me. He saw a banner ad and went, I'm sure that's legit. That's not going to give me every virus that's on computers.

Nope. Now, I know a guy who is deep into this cam shit world. Oh yeah, yeah you do. And I'm gonna explain some shit in a second here, but he used to be like obsessed with it. Like where he'd like text me, oh check it out, this chick did this and that. I'm like, I don't fucking care about these girls

on your web, there was like 30 chicks he was always watching and like, I don't give a fuck about the, hey this one got a fuck machine. I'd go, why are you telling me this? You're not gonna believe it. Like it was his friends or his social circle. I'm like, hang out with real people. They don't care about you two.

So at first it was whatever, but then he gets on there and he meets a cam model on there. Really? Well, he pays a woman to do sexual things and then he takes this as a relationship. Her name is Sylvia and Sylvia is V-I-Y-A. Last name Ventis Lavova. Russian girl.

Bulgarian. Oh. She's a Bulgarian, in Bulgaria. And I guess Sylvie is her screen name here. Now he is immediately real smitten with Sylvie. Like Cody level, Cody level of smitten. Big time. New soulmate.

New soulmate, yeah, new significant other. He would have to pay, what you do here is you have to buy tokens Yeah, you don't just pay actual money you buy tokens And then you give the tokens to the girls And he would spend up to four hours a night on this website buying up five thousand tokens at a time Which is like $600. Okay, it's a lot of money every day. He's blowing $600 a day. A day. People, you couldn't smoke that much crack in a day.

Like that's a $600 a day Bulgarian webcam habit is too much. How much can you beat off, man? It's not that at that point. It's just spending time. And that's the thing. Now, Sylvie shows cost, listen to this, 90 tokens a minute. Oh boy.

Yeah, she's expensive. And what he did is he just put on, he completely invented a persona. His name's Grant Amato, but now he's a rich and successful gamer. That's what he says He has a rich and successful internet twitch guy. That's just the opposite of what I am Exactly not like she can't go on there and see he has eight followers, but still He says that and says that he has all this money says he has a BMW says he has all this amazing stuff

Says the house that he's in is his house, even though it's his parents' house, forgets to mention that. He lives there, that's for sure. He sends her physically to Bulgaria, lingerie and sex toys to wear when she's doing it, and pays shitloads of money for his time. Now the same person I know that did the webcam thing with the MyFreeCams also got in a very, according to, well he thought anyway, a very serious relationship with a webcam girl. Exact same thing. He met her, she's from an Eastern European ex-Soviet bloc country, I won't say which one, and he was in love with her.

And he came to me and was like, this is my girlfriend now. And I was like, hold on a minute. You paid her, literally, this started out with him paying her to fist herself. And I'm not kidding, that's what it was. You mean it had just started with your mom, huh? And now, this is your girlfriend. And it's weird because I know a lot about the webcam world just because he talked to

this girl so much. These webcams, these girls aren't in their own apartment doing their own thing. There's a giant warehouse. Huge warehouse. Used to be a Soviet military stockade or some shit. And they clear it all out and they make cubicles inside. And every girl has their own cubicle and their own set. And you just walk around from set to set to set.

If you went, there's a hundred girls in there and it's not the most pleasant guy, Eastern European fucking pimps basically, making them do this. They're not making them, it's a job. They go home at the end of the day. It's like a call center where you call with your pussy. Yeah, it's like a phone sex bank. Except it's webcam and they're just, you know, fisting each other all day long. So, and this guy ended up, I mean,

he sent her so much fucking money. They spent so much time. $600 a day and then more. And it's probably exciting. I can't, I mean, I've never done it, but I can imagine it would be pretty exciting to send somebody a specific thing and then you're watching and then all of a sudden that specific thing pops up on your camera. Yeah, probably. Cause they have some sort of weird like celebrity relationship with them almost. Like, you know, oh, I saw her on the screen and I sent her this. Now she's

wearing it on the screen. Like if someone did that on TV you'd be like oh look what happened. JLo's wearing the Louboutins I sent her that's crazy. Isn't that amazing? So no but the guy I knew though he got real deep into this I mean this was going on for years like three years to the point where he finally was going for the K1 visa, the 90 day fiance deal. Yeah, he was gonna, I'm bringing her over here talking about, they were arguing about whether she was gonna go to school or not because she wanted to go to school but he was worried that you know, somebody else would pay her to fist herself or something, I don't know what he was worried about, whatever the fuck.

She's gonna see that there are other people that look better than him. Yes, that are, he's 20 years older than her, 15 or whatever the fuck. She's gonna see that there are other people that look better than him. Yes, that he's 20 years older than her, or 15, or whatever the fuck it was, and all this shit. And then finally it all came to a head where this was all gonna happen, and then she stopped talking to him completely, ghosted his ass. Didn't even tell him, no.

Nope, ghosted his ass, and that was that. Wow. So this is, you know, yeah. I mean, the whole thing's a fantasy they're building up. So at what point do you think the fantasy's real and do they, you know what I mean? A fantasy is a fantasy and when it crosses over to actually touching and being people, that's never happening, Guy. It's not happening.

It's rare probably. Very rare. I would say it's super rare. So in order to keep talking with him, he had to give her, to keep talking to her, he had to give her more money, and give her more money, and give her more money. He said later on, quote, "'It wasn't my intention to keep talking to this woman,

"'but it just sort of happened.'" Said that they had an emotional connection. I'm sure that's what it was. Let me show you this, Jimmy. Roll your chair over again Here's a picture of him and here's a picture of her emotional connection I Bet he was emotionally connected to her cleavage is what he's emotionally connected. I'm emotionally connected to that fucking top

I'll tell you that much. That's what I mean that that fucking weird corset thing. She's wearing is wow medieval fucking leather tit corset is pretty good. She's laid on her back like in a sexy position and he is like looking through his eyebrows. Looking through his eyebrows with his bad hair and his face. That is not good. No, emotional connection. My ass. She had a financial connection and he had a rock hard cock. Well she had somebody yelling at her, get more money out of him. And she's like, I will, I will.

That's exactly. So then he would, he would take like his dad's credit card and say he needed to use it to do, to get things for, for Twitch that he needed to do. He's out of money. He's like subscribing to this thing and do all that twitch that he needed to do he's out of money he's like subscribing to this thing and do all that so he takes some money from that and after a while he just started stealing money from people he's stealing credit cards from what parents stealing what he could get his hands on from his parents to give to this girl within a few months he had spent over $200,000.

Oh my God. This is in addition to all of his money that he spent, which is, who knows, but $200,000 of other people's money on this girl. Is this a murder story of how his dad gutted him for this? If it was, I would be saying this story has a happy ending. I would beat my son senseless for this. If I said his dad found out and beat him to death,

you'd all go, I mean, I can see it. I get it. There's a jury that'll get him off. I mean, yeah, there's some mitigating circumstances there. They're all dads, but there's a jury. How old is he, 29? Yeah. Oh, my.

Let's see his bald head, yeah, look at him. He just looks like fucking, yeah. How could you? How could you? It's, his bald head. Yeah, look at him. He just looks like fucking, yeah. How could you? How could you? It's, pow. My head explodes with the possibilities. I mean, it's $600 a day. You can get there.

You can certainly get there. My brain swims with the, it's wild. So Cody also has a girlfriend, an actual real one though. A woman, yeah. This is an actual woman he knows. Her name is Sloan Young, whom that's his girlfriend. They met and became friends as co-workers at the Orlando Regional Medical Center.

There you go. But then over the course of a few months, they got closer and closer and started a relationship. You know, like a normal person. Normal people do, yeah. Meet a chick at work, be friends, she's a little flirty, it leads to more and then maybe you're happy.

And all of a sudden there's a relationship. That's how it goes. Not like, let me get 200 grand from my dad. Let me give you 600 bucks an hour. Give it to a Bulgarian girl. So this is Sloan, said Cody's the best kind of person. He cared so much about his job and his patients and not just them, but his co-workers and his friends and family too. Got a big heart.

Everyone loves Cody. He is like totally like that. So anyway, in December of 2019, they go to Japan. The whole crew here, not the whole crew, but we got Cody And we got Grant and a friend of theirs named Jericho fine, which is a really weird name Jericho fine that sounds made up. It sounds cool as shit, right? Is that a dude? Yeah, mr. Fine He gets you mr. Fine. Yeah, Jericho. Geez. I don't know. They're going to he's going to Japan to Look, I'd like the beginnings of anime shit So he gets laid as might be a we don't know I think Jericho is gonna split off and go fuck all kinds of Japanese chicks. That's possible He's gonna have the full geisha experience over there. He doesn't go by Jerry, right? He goes by Jericho

I would never go by anything but Jericho. That is such a rad name But then again, I would just be yelling at him like Joe Pesci in that movie. Jericho. That's all he'd be saying over and over. Cool name. So he's a long time friend of the brothers, and the three of them went to Japan

for like two weeks-ish in December here, so the beginning of December. So this guy Jericho said that the brothers loved each other, but he detected some tension between them during the traveling. Which international travel, I don't care how strong your relationship is, see how it is after you're done going through customs and we'll see if it's, you can tell me how sound it is because at some point you're going to go, you got to pick it up and bring it over

there because they're going to fuck it up. It's going to happen. This isn't a direct flight They stop somewhere. Oh, yeah, there's layovers. They stopped somewhere. They had to go through Jeff They'd figure out what signs meant and shit. It's gonna get fucking touchy. So they said at one point Especially one point Grant disappeared for two hours. They couldn't find Grant. He's just gone When they were in Japan, he just disappeared for two hours. They couldn't find Grant. He's just gone. So they had him in Japan. When they were in Japan. He just disappeared for two hours?

Yeah, Jericho said that they found them at, they found Grant at a Pacino, P-A-C-H-I-N-O, which is a gambling building. But he wasn't gambling. He was in there using his tablet, using the wifi in the building on his tablet. No, that's what you what What do you think he's doing? Oh my god. He's talking to her while he's in Japan. Well, you say well, where's he get the money? Well, yeah, I know exactly where he got the money

Jericho fine said after that he noticed his discover card was used to make unauthorized charges Oh, no, no international travel for you. if you have a Discover card, first of all. You need to work on up in your credit card game and then go fucking halfway across the world, okay? Number one, get a Visa. That's just not gonna work somewhere. And then go, yeah, you can't travel the world with a fucking Discover card, I'm sorry, you can't.

Amex might be dicey too. I don't know, but definitely discover. You can't use that in half the places here. I don't think you can use that at Applebee's. Give me a fucking break. Leftist Capital One back home James. So yeah, he said that it was used to make unauthorized charges. He fucking swiped

this guy's discover card. He said one went through, but the other two were denied and they looked at the source of the charges and they were for my free cam tokens. Oh my God. He's over there stealing the guy, one of his travels back in credit card. Stealing his friend's credit card.

Oh, what an embarrassing charge. Isn't that crazy? And then after they got back from Japan on December 15th, and then a friend of theirs named Blake Turpin said that Grant was in his room, and he was the only other person in his room where his gun was stored. What? And it disappeared. He said Grant was in there for 10 minutes, nobody else in there and his gun disappeared a nine millimeter. Oh shit

He said that he yeah, he was cleaning out his closet. So it was out and his gun and his ammo was stolen So he thinks grant did it as what he thinks you think he could did it to sell it because grant by the way sold all of his guns and a lot of the family's guns, too. Just whatever he could take, because that's shit he could cash, he'd get easy money for. $200,000 and more. Yeah, that's part of it. That's part of the 200 grand is a shitload of guns, dad's guns, Cody's guns, his guns,

everybody's stuff. So when he gets back from Japan on December 15th, we know he stole a gun. Grant said his dad was really overbearing when he gets back from Japan on December 15th, we know he stole a gun. Grant said his dad was really overbearing when he got home, super overbearing and was still upset about the thefts. And gee, really? So upset you stole $200,000 and fucking used it for a Bulgarian webcam girl. Yeah, wonder why he's upset. Everybody understands a meth or heroin. I mean, we get upset with the people, but you understand how they got there. How do you get so addicted to this shit

that you're stealing my guns? This is how you fucking shake a person. She doesn't even live here. At least find a local woman to bilk you. You know what I mean? Spend money on her. It's not about the masturbation. It's about seeing her. That's not even just about, it's not about the masturbation,

it's about seeing her, that's it. And he's telling her, this is my girlfriend, is what he tells people. No, dude, it's not. It's not, it's like, does she call you when you don't pay her? You initiate all conversations, man. Does she finger for free, that's the question.

If not, I don't know. So he said he was still upset, also upset about the fact that Grant hadn't found a job yet, but still went to Japan for two weeks. Like he should have been looking for a job. Cody paid for it. Cody paid for Grant's ticket. Cody paid for everything, even though Grant

has stolen a lot of money from Cody for the webcam girl too. But Cody still buys him a plane ticket and pays for everything over there for him. Cody figures that maybe getting him out of the country will make him think differently about some things or whatever. Maybe he can, yeah, maybe have it instead. He's on the tablet over there. Grant says later on with him, meaning the dad, it was every single day, hours a day,

he'd be home from work and then he'd just talk to me about the same exact thing over and over and over and over again. So, and that was get a job, stop stealing from me. These are fine things to tell your 29 year old kid who's living in your fucking house. So December 20th, his mother and Cody, Margaret and Cody, report him missing, Grant. They said he's depressed and possibly suicidal and he also has access to guns, they tell the cops. And broke. And he's broke and he's

desperate. So they report him missing saying he's experiencing strong feelings of worthlessness and that he had said to her in the last couple days that he had been grown really tired of everything and was quote just gonna handle it his own way. So they were worried. The police report said yesterday Grant left the home without saying anything to anyone. His mother observed him drive off the property. A short while later she had a text conversation with him in which she told her he was really getting tired of dealing with everything and he's just gonna handle it his own way. Both Mrs. Amato and Cody say this is so out of character for Grant that they're 100% convinced that he will try to harm himself. Grant has access to firearms, he

owns firearms, they're not sure if he's taken any from the house as they're not sure of his inventory because he sold so many. We don't know how many were left for him to have accessed. They have no idea they say mrs. Amato did remove one from his vehicle prior to leaving town however when she returned two days ago grant told her that he knows she took one out of his car but she doesn't know that he had another one in the car too so he said you took one but you didn't get all the guns so where Right, I got more. So where did he go? Where do you go when you go to Aunt Donna's house? A relative's house. A relative's house, you go to Aunt Donna's,

where the fuck else is he gonna go? He has no money. You know, he's got nothing. They said he's experiencing worthlessness. It's because he's worth nothing. He is worthless. He's 200 in the hole right now. Yeah.

So his aunt described him, Aunt Donna described him as skinny and lost looking and said that he showed up and he slept during the day and stayed up all night. And you know, the Bulgaria time change, it's right, or the, you know, the time difference there. So the next day they find him, the police find him, as we'll find out here. The issue is though, while he's at his aunt's house, he also is stealing from her. God damn it.

Yes, and they also find in his possession pictures of credit cards belonging to his grandmother, Gloria. He took pictures of them just for the numbers. He took, fuck yeah, he took Italian grandma's fucking credit card number. Uncle Troy took his card and one of his cousins are all found on his computer later. So he's got all of these people. Donna, Aunt Donna said she received calls from the rest of the family who urged her not to press charges.

Margaret and all them called and said don't press charges on him for stealing from you. We'll pay you back. Cody promised to pay back anything that Grant stole from her or anybody else. I'll pay everybody back. Just don't press charges, please. What the shit? They said Chad broke down during his phone call with Donna

and Donna said it's the first time she'd heard him cry in the 27 years she knew him. Wow. He said that he had personally taken care of $150,000 worth of debt incurred by Grant by remortgaging his house. Oh Jesus Christ. He remortgaged his house. He pushed retirement off $150,000 until...

60 year old guy working two jobs. And he said, I have to do it. I don't have liquid a couple hundred grand that I can just throw at this and then be okay for later. What are you doing Grant? So Donna said, he told me on the phone, yeah I'm going to have to work for a few more years than I thought I'd have to. But it's okay, I'll do it for Grant. I don't want him to go to jail.

That's what the father said. Dude, these parents just want, it's to the point where you're enabling him now. You know what I mean? It's just enabling this behavior. So early on December 22nd, the family showed up at three o'clock in the morning in the driveway at Aunt Donna's house.

They had been outside basically taking shifts to make sure Grant didn't run away somewhere. So they finally talked to him, they get him in the car, and his mother found a rehab facility to send him to for internet porn sex addiction. Of course they have one. Yeah they do, they do, absolutely, yeah that's a thing. So they send him there, which by the way cost them fifteen thousand dollars that Cody paid for. Cody put up fifteen grand. Yeah, I mean fifteen grand is the trip. Yeah, it's better than spending 200 grand on porn Fuck yeah, it's supposed to be a 60-day program Two months he's got to be away from her. He's there from december 22nd to january 4th

Wow, so he does not do the full six days And he wants to come home dad says, okay, you're allowed to come home But yeah, we have to have come home, but we have to have, there's an agreement you have to sign. There's paperwork and shit with this. There's a quote, a zero tolerance ultimatum. He said, that's the father sits him down on January 5th at the California pizza kitchen in Waterford lakes where you have all your serious conversations. Sit down over a ham and pineapple. Let's chat.

That's so fucking, what a weird environment to have this conversation. And this was a list of rules and they had, by this point too, Cody had paid $8,000 for an attorney for Grant for his former legal fees, 10,000 for the trip to Japan, and 15,000, this is his brother's estate. Thousands of dollars, man. Thousands of dollars for his rehab stay. And also Chad had let a fraudulent line of credit filed by Grant go through so it wouldn't be reported as fraudulent and get Grant in trouble. He had opened up a line of credit with his father's name to use the credit card and Chad just said I'll just take the card It's fine

So during the meeting Chad told Grant that if he broke any of the rules He would have to leave the house immediately get your shit and go One of the rules was he is not allowed to have any communications with the Bulgarian webcam girl that's out. said, Grant initially agreed to the rules and he has to get a job. You know, you have to be a fucking adult that's responsible. Yeah, be a member of society.

Not even pay bills, just get a job and don't steal money from the family. That's pretty easy. Get a menial task job that starts chipping away at this money that we've fucking put out on you. No shit, pay us back. So Grant initially agreed to the rules, but then he was saying to his mom, because he always went to his mom, his dad would say something, this is the rule, he'd go to his

mom, his mom would soften it. Right. Okay, well we'll work it out. His mom was the one he would complain to and then his mom would make it better type of thing. So that's how this goes. So he would go to his mom and say, this isn't really fair because Sylvie

isn't just the webcam girl. She's my girlfriend and we're in a relationship. It's not fair for you to tell me I can't love and be in a relationship with the person I love. And I'm in a relationship with. You can talk to the person you love when it doesn't cost you 90 tokens a minute. When she will talk to you on WhatsApp for free?

Great. Yeah. Till then. Terrific. No talking. Yeah, you can fucking, you can watch your finger or self on the camera all you want, but just not with my money you can't.

Right. So yeah, he had to stop doing it, stop spending his entire night online, and his phone service would be terminated, and he needed to go to therapy and his family would no longer pay his debts So they said this is critical as grant through his past Transgressions has relied on the knowledge of the

Rely on the knowledge that the family would not report him and would cover him Family relationship abuse beyond tolerance. This is a promise. You better heed the warning. It's real. That's a quote from this letter. Dad's had it. They also said that he had given him a choice whether to stay home or join the military. He's 29. I think he's they're not taking him now. But the older brother Jason said that the father tried to make Grant seem like less of a person by then listing the reasons why he couldn't join, including the fact that he's too skinny and weak. Yeah, and you're bald. And you're bald. They don't take, you need hair to join the army. It's an army of hair. You ever hear that slogan?

They gotta give you a haircut. You can't. You can't even get a haircut. You don't need one. They'll look at it and go, nope, that's pathetic, get it out of here. The other rules indicated the family wouldn't pay off his debts. So that's wild though, go in the military. A 29 year old anime slash gamer lover is not the, as a taxpayer, I don't wanna pay for him to be in the Army. He's not gonna be good at this.

Webcam addicted Twitch streamer. I'm not, no, I'm not doing it. I'm not paying, I don't want to pay that guy's salary. If there's a war, he's not going to help. And I'm not paying for him to fly over there and dick around and fucking get killed. No. It's real loud here, baby.

I'm sorry about the bangs. Yeah, hold on. Keep banging yourself. There's so many credit cards around here. The whole troop has credit cards. This is great. They're all dead, but keep going. I'm putting in new cards. He's shooting his own soldier so he can fucking steal their credit cards. So that's how this

is going. Now, January 24th, 2019. So for about three weeks though then apparently He had tried to convince his mother to let him use her phone So he could contact the webcam model. She said no You've almost broken the habit man. So he said okay Just let me use the phone to look up news and stuff and she said okay fine So he went on Twitter and contacted her through Twitter And she said okay fine, so he went on Twitter and contacted her through Twitter Instead yeah, so he figured out a way to go around it problem is Chad found out about this dad found out He's not happy. He ordered him to immediately pack his shit up and get the fuck out of the house tonight

Just like we said yep, he said that he once father learned it was all fucking over and So that night January 24th Cody is working at the Advent Hospital in East, Orlando and Cody's girlfriend says that that night she was they were at work together and about 9 15 p.m. Chad had called Cody or texted him or something and told him to come home because something was wrong.

So she asked Cody what's wrong and Cody just told her quote stupid fucking bullshit. That was the only answer. She said she texted him later that night, like late night, and was told, and he told her through text, quote, all okay, you don't need to worry about me. Oh great. So everything's fine, okay? Then the next morning comes around, January 25th, 2019, and Cody's got a pretty important job here,

and he doesn't show up for work. Oh no. So his coworkers become concerned, because Cody is the most conscientious guy in the world and is never, if he's late, five minutes he calls. Like he's- Punctual, yeah. Punctual, and in nursing you kind of have to be because there's a schedule and you have to like

get there at a certain time and the team has to work together and there's a whole thing with that for like a surgery and that kind of thing. So the coworkers call the police and request a wellness check. One of the co-workers said he was texting Cody the night before, but Cody stopped replying at some point. Maybe he just got tired of talking to you. Who knows? Maybe he fell asleep. So the co-workers called 911 three different times asking for well checks on him. So that's

three times a little obsessive. Everybody's obsessed with Cody. And 911, huh? Not even just on emergency, Jesus. No, telling dispatchers that he had not missed a day of work in five years. Okay, yeah, well. It's not like it.

Let's see what they're doing, yeah. They said even more unusual is that he didn't pick up his phone when several people tried calling him too. They're like, this is not what Cody does. So one co-worker knew that Cody's brother Grant had been severely depressed recently and on the 911 call, he said, quote, that's really my main concern. I'm not assuming the worst, but this is just very out of character. He said, I'm concerned that something has come upon my friend I know that his brother suffers from depression and I believe suicidal ideation as well Cody mentioned it to me, and I'm very worried I'm not trying to raise red flags, but I'm just

Just raising them all by the way all these calls came in pre 9 a.m. Oh It's not like they waited till noon right they're sitting there eating their fucking turkey sandwich still nobody shows up We call again an hour late. Let call 9-1-1 call a 9-1-1 3-2 you call I called I called 10 minutes ago Now you call did you call yet? I've called all right. I'll have have a chick call just have a chick Maybe they'll think it's like his wife or son just have a chick. I'll pretend to be his wife Wow so the police arrive at 917 a.m. Okay.

Cody's vehicle's in the driveway. Other cars are in the garage. The deputy tries to call him, call the mother, call Grant, call Chad, got all the phone numbers. Nobody answers their phones. Not one of the four? Wow. Not one of the four.

Knocks on the door, no answer. They blow an air horn out there to get their attention. Nobody answers. They beep the horn. They put the siren on for a minute. They fucking knock, knock on every window, every door. Nobody answers shit. So they go to the back door.

The deputy goes to the back door and uses his pocket knife to pick the lock in the back door and opens it. Is that legal? It's fucking resourceful. Certainly. Also, let's keep an eye on that guy that's capable of picking a locks with a pocket knife. That's what I was going to say. I was just going to say, it's resourceful, but he's able to, like a secure, big, nice

house he can pick a lock with a pocket knife, not even special lock picking equipment. That's pretty impressive stuff here yeah so and that but to me this is normally in this situation they kick the fucking door off the hinges yeah if it's a wellness check they got to do it it's a lot yeah I believe so I think they have to check I you can just I think you can go away if there's no whatever but if a lot of people keep calling and especially if the and especially if the department's getting like three calls in a half hour, they're like, just make sure where these fucking people are.

And I think it probably depends state to state because in Colorado when they checked at Shanann Watts' house, like the cop, he's just knocking and he's like, I can't go in there unless somebody tells me I can. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And they're like, no, I need you to check,

it's a wellness check. And he's like, I can't just go in there. I can't just walk in there. Well in Florida you apparently can I think it's legal to shoot the locks off in Florida Probably I think You have to use TNT. That's what it is. Yeah, you have to put that what's that shit that you the explosive shit No, you shoot that they sell it at like gun stores. Oh Tanner right. Yeah, Tanner, right. That's what it's called So no response in any way they walk in They shoot that, they sell it at like gun stores. Oh, Tannerite, yeah. Tannerite, that's what it's called. So no response in any way.

They walk in, immediately they see 59-year-old Chad on his back in the kitchen floor. Uh-oh. They find him. Chad is, he's shot twice in the head. Really? Twice in the head. Cody, they find as well.

He is on the floor in the storage room, very dead, curled up in kind of a fetal position. He is shot, he's shot under the eye. Oh. Yeah. Then they find 61 year old mom, Margaret, face down on her computer desk in her office, shot in the back of the head.

Oh no, that's first time, obviously, huh? Yeah, she back of the head. Oh, no, that's first Yeah, obviously she was playing Candy Crush. Oh you saw this happens one minute She's playing Candy Crush doing like the most like mom on Facebook shit Possible which is exactly what somebody in this document I had written that down and then I saw somebody in this documentary say the exact same shit I was like it must just be right then And then I saw somebody in this documentary say the exact same shit. I was like it must just be right then Everybody thinks I'm going to do yeah, and then next thing you know brains on the screen and face plant on there damn it

Cody by the way dad Chad has a gun in a holster still on him okay, a lot of good that did it at that time and then Cody is Holding a pistol a nine millimeter and there's shells all around him. Oh, lots of shells? There's multiple shells. Yeah, multiple shells in the area around him and he's got the pistol right by his hand. So this is interesting right away. So right away the cops go, is this a murder-suicide?

Did he draw faster than dad? What the fuck happened here? But as they look around, they don't think it's right. It just seems wrong. The whole scene, the way it's set up seems wrong for that. And then later on when they test it, the pistol he has is not the pistol that everyone was shot with either So that's a problem right there. It's definitely not a murder-suicide at that point

Wow, so yeah dad was shot twice that's wearing a holster with the handgun He probably didn't think his own kid was gonna shoot him. Yeah, where the fuck is grant, but Cody was still wearing his scrubs He just came home from work. Yeah, like his bag wearing his scrubs. He just came home from work. He had his bag and his scrubs here. Looks like he just got in the door and immediately got it. Which is pretty fucking wild. Between the home gym and the garage is where he was found. Another handgun, by the way, was in Cody's work bag lying a few feet from his body. Which is probably the gun he carries. But then this one was in his hand. And they said that the wounds he had were not likely self-inflicted.

Nobody shoots themselves under the eye. I've never, literally never seen that ever. So indeed that's what the medical examiner said. And they said there was no burns, no fucking, no contact burns, wounds. So you'd have to have, that would be close. Nobody would hold, you know, hold the gun fucking as far away from you as you can and shoot yourself in the eye.

That'd be the real weird way to do it. So they think somebody tried to frame this as a murder-suicide, is what it looks like. And Grant's nowhere to be found. Interesting. Yep, they asked the neighbors, the neighbors heard gunshots, but that's not uncommon out in this rural area. They said there's gunshots all the time.

One person claimed to have heard five shots. Another person said, I don't know how many I heard. Another person said they heard three shots. Nobody fucking knows anything. Now, deputies said they had quote prior experiences with the residents of the home and knew that Gran Amado lived there. So there's been stuff going on here. That's what I mean, maybe there were some

domestic violence things that we don't know about. I can't imagine Grant with all the trife and, strife is the word, right? All the trouble that he's had personally. A lot of people live the trife life. Yeah, yeah. He's not kept that in between the laws, the lines of legality. No, no, he's crossing the double in between the lines of legality.

No, no, he's crossing the double yellow on that shit big time. He's had some police involvement. Fuck yeah. So they can't find Grant. Grant and his Honda Accord aren't there at all and they talk to Cody's girlfriend who tells them that the family was having trouble with Grant. They said, would you know where he is? And he said no he had stolen by the way sixty thousand dollars in the ballpark of from Cody including

selling a bunch of his guns right so they're like you know there's been some beef here also she said that Cody once told her that she was worried that grant would quote kill everyone she's worried he was worried Grant would snap. That's why he's like trying to keep them all, you know, all packed in soft material. So he's, Grant's driving a 96 white Honda Accord in 2019. Oh, it has really gone off the rails. This is not good. So much for matching beamers.

Dude, why didn't he buy a decent car when he had a job with money? Yeah, save a couple of guns and buy a half decent car 96 Accord though runs. Those are You know the AC isn't good in that thing Changed the transmission by now You want a GPS in your dashboard at this point? Don't you like it is the AC warms up when you stop at red lights in that car for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah, you turn the headlights on and it dies.

The license plate L1GH7. Kind of looks like light a little bit. So they said a motto should be considered armed and dangerous. Anyone who spots him should call 911 immediately and don't try to approach him even though he looks like a bald little weakling. Even though he looks like a little weasel. They talked to Jason, the third brother who doesn't live here anymore. Right, he left the area.

Jason said he wasn't close with his family but he spoke with his mother about once a week and they asked him if there's anyone who would want to harm his family, and he told them that Grant had been talking to a quote, online call girl, which is the funniest way to put that ever. That's somebody who knows nothing about that type of shit, and he's just like, I don't know, some online call girl or something.

That's amazing. How about that too, not being the favorite son of a wealthy family, he's about to get everything. No shit, nobody left. I'd arrest his ass right away. Sir, you've got so much motive. And they did look into him and they talked to his girlfriend and between his work and his girlfriend,

he had a very tight alibi for the whole day. So they were talking. That's fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up. He was just trying to get away from this stuff. And they said that he'd been wiring excessive amounts of money to her and he wasn't sure if, he said, I'm not sure if Grant maybe owes her money.

And they said, does she know the address? And he said, yes, that he's given her the home address and she has mailed things to the house. So she has their address. Oh, so she may have gotten some pussy on credit and now she's paying. That's what Jason's thinking. Oh my. She's collecting in blood here. So they said that he said he spoke to his mother on January 16th,

so you know, less than 10 days earlier, she said everything was okay. Grant had been applying for a lot of jobs and that he was trying to kind of reconstitute himself into the family and things have been going better. So Jason also told detectives about the money that was stolen here and all that kind of thing. So yeah, they're talking to him. They also had Jason go through the home to see if anything had been taken. Is there anything of value missing?

And he said nothing of value had been missing. There's at least five PlayStations in the house, by the way. 96 Honda Accord, five PlayStations. See what I'm saying? He's got more money in PlayStations than car. Totally. Those are worth more. Four computers, several TVs, safes, jewelry, everything, nothing was taken from the home.

So that's not a robbery. They also found, Jason found and handed over to the cops the list of rules Chad had given Grant, the handwritten pact there. So they got to find Grant, they put his car out on an APB, and so they find it. Where is he? A double tree hotel near the University of Central Florida where he went to college.

They find him at 7.45 a.m., and I've seen the footage from this, the body cam footage. They go into the hotel, and it's like a hotel hotel with elevators and hallways. It's not a, you know, you don't open the door to the outside of your hotel room. So they go up and they ask like the people at the desk, they're like, are there anybody around these rooms? Call all of these rooms and tell people to come downstairs. Yeah.

But don't call that room. Uh huh. Make sure you don't call that room because they don't know if they people keep saying he has guns He has guns he has guns so they don't want to have like a hallway shootout with somebody Putting the room service tray outside when that happens, you know Or were some lady riding her husband for their anniversary weekend and he threw the wall leaving shot. Yeah, she's a poor lady. Jesus That's my I made her come so hard her head blew up. What happened? Oh Shit, that's all yeah, I still got it so They go in there, they take him to the ground

and cuff him and all that kind of thing. He's very cooperative, but he's so calm. Yeah. They stand him up and he goes, oh, I got like a duffel bag in there too. I don't know if you guys wanna grab that and check it out or whatever. And they're like, well, we'll let the detectives

figure that out there. They only came to him because some detectives wanna talk to him. He's not under arrest. that out there. They only came to him because some detectives want to talk to him. He's not under arrest. Oh, okay. They just go to bring him in. So they found a note in the hotel room that said, I miss being home already, and it has already been one day

since I was kicked out by dad. Okay. That's what the note said. He writes a lot of weird little notes. They found another note in his car, and we'll give you the whole note in a minute here but which appeared to be written from Cody's point of view. And it said part of it is Grant, I'll take care of all your problems. I just need you back.

I can't live without you brother. I said I'd take care of all your problems at the house and I have. Like Cody wrote it, like Cody shot his parents, wrote the note and then killed himself basically is the implication here. This is written in Grant's handwriting. So they bring Grant in to have a little chat with him here, for sure. They ask him about his family life and his interests.

By the way, it's a four hour long interrogation, I've watched the whole thing. The first hour of it you want to, you want to murder Grant just for his boringness. He's the most boring man and you want to hear a complete dork talk about anime and fucking what he thinks about stuff and his dad's job and all this shit. It's the most boring shit you can imagine from this guy. His Twitch stream.

His Twitch stream and how that didn't really work out and all that. That's what this is. That's kind of, yeah, it is his Twitch stream. And the cops have to do that though because they have to make him feel comfortable to talk, so they're trying to make him feel comfortable to talk. And they ask him about dad was he said his dad was

kind of abusive and controlling and overbearing he said his dad would hit his mother and he said we heard mom yell he hurt me hurt me and then he would run downstairs and try to get that off him like we said before he said he always made him feel bad he always made him dad always made him feel like Cody was doing better in life he said he would make me feel like Cody is doing all this stuff and I'm not. Yeah, that's why. Cause he is doing it. He's doing all this stuff and you're not. That's the problem. By the way, through all

of this, through the, through the take down, the cuffing, bringing in here, sitting him down, he never once asks, Hey, how's my family? What am I here for? Why am I here? What happened to my family? Never once. Never once asked that. He just sits down and starts talking. Because he already knows. He knows.

He said, over the past four months or something like that, I've been talking to this woman online. She's a cam model. By the way, the detective didn't know what anime was, so he's like, you gonna have to I don't know what that is like animation like cartoons and he goes no it's a Japanese thing he goes I don't know what the hell you're talking about and he said she's a cam model and he goes again I don't know maybe I'm making a run on this but I don't know what that is

he goes what's a cam model I was expecting you to go and he knew exactly what that was no he knew exactly what that was he's like oh my free cams I guess I use that one oh, my free cams, I guess. I use that one too, it's good. I got a few tokens I'm not using, do you want them? You can have them if you're, I don't know, if you talk to her in a while. Or actually, what's her screen name? I'm gonna check her out when I get done with you. I'll just send them to her for you.

You don't need this anymore. So they said that, yeah, he said, how much do you think you spent? And Amato said probably close to $200,000, which he knows it's more than $200,000. So probably close to, yeah. He said, then he said, I know, spending that amount of money, it's idiotic, especially when you're not making it.

Like you're not making big money to spend. Yeah, you can spend it if you're making it. If you're like a NFL quarterback, you can look at all the webcam girls you want. It's also crazy to give that money when you're not literally making it. If you're like a NFL quarterback, you can look at all the webcam girls you want. It's also crazy to give that money when you're not literally making it to get, like you're not, any of these terms making it, you're not having sex, you're not in a relationship.

No, that is disturbing, man. Well, it's like these jail relationships that we see on Love After Lockup all the time. It's very similar. And they're jamming 50, 80 grand into those people. Yeah, at least you know where that person is. Yeah, he doesn't know where she is. No, she's in some Bulgarian warehouse somewhere.

So they asked him about this. They start getting into the actual evening. They ask him why he never asked them about his family members and their conditions during the interview. Hey, we noticed that. And he said, oh, I just, I don't know, I was just asking, I was answering the questions I was asked, is what he said basically. Like, shit, you guys are leading the interview.

It's a good point. Yeah, it's true. By the way, he sat there for four hours, they offered him like a Coke, they offered him to go to the bathroom. He's like, I'm good. Nothing to drink, not going to the bathroom. No, I can sit for hours and pay attention to somebody. For hours.

And he's like, you know, it's just great to sit. As a nurse, you know, used to being up on your feet for 12 hours at a time. And it's like, you haven't had a job in months and all you do is sit on your ass and jerk off. You're not used to anything. Fuck, you're used to playing video games. So he said it took him a few hours to pack his things.

He said the afternoon his dad got home and told him to fuck off. So it took him a few hours to pack his things and he says he left about 930 PM and he met Cody outside, outside the neighborhood to tell him what happened. But then he admitted later on in the interview that he lied. He left closer to midnight and his brother was home. He didn't meet him out there. But the time of death, by the way, they're thinking the time of death for the parents, they think the mother was shot pretty fucking early.

I was just gonna say, it sounds like she was first. He waited for dad to get home, got dad, and then he called his brother and told him to come over, and he got his brother too. We think he texted him from dad's phone. That's what he did, saying come home. Some shit happened. That's what happened.

That's what happened. Because he's by the way, we'll find out he's using their fingerprints on their phones to open their phones up. Oh boy. As we'll talk about. Why? Because now he can have access to their money.

So he said that he lied, he said he claimed he spent the night in the parking lot of a nearby Publix before driving to a job interview the next day. You sleep in your car then you driving to a job interview the next day. You sleep in your car, then you go to a job interview. Okay. So they found the notes that, you know, the list of his, of the father's demands, they found the note in his car.

They asked him about that. And he admitted to a detective that he had written the note in the car saying, I just took care of everything for you. He said he was jotting down his recollection of the last conversation he had with his brother. They said why? He couldn't explain why it was written in the first person from Cody's point of view. Didn't know. Don't know why I did that. So Grant's relatives told detectives they couldn't understand why he would have killed his brother. Donna said Cody would have spent his last dollar to save him. Makes no sense. Cody would be defending him right now. He would be paying for his

lawyer. So they said they you know they suspected that for some reason you know he needed the brother basically he needed to kill the brother to make it look like a murder-suicide was the point. So they said, what are you not telling us? What happened at that home that you know? And he never admitted to killing his family. He said, they were still alive when I left the house. That's all he would say. They were still alive when I left.

Everybody was still alive when I left. Then they showed him crime scene photos of his parents and his brother. And they said, do you regret doing this to each of your family members? And he said, no, I didn't do any of this. Oh But he's so Dude, there's not a break of up or down in him at all. He's this level weird

calm collected strange It's strange like a lot of people call him creepy because they're just like he's just creepy How are you not panicked that your family's dead too? Your family's dead and that you're being accused of killing them. Right. If you didn't kill your family, you'd be horrified and horrified in both circumstances. So they asked him, if you were the one, if you were the one that's been depressed, you were the one that owes money, you were the one who got into a confrontation with your father,

who did this to your family? I Don't know. He said I just don't know doesn't know Nope He they said well Why didn't you get it try to get in touch with your family because he said he had returned to the neighborhood the next day to go To the house, but changed his mind last minute And they said well, did you see anything out of the ordinary and he no. And then he admitted to seeing a cop car and a news van

at the entrance of his home. They asked why he didn't try to get in touch with his family, and he had no answer. He just kind of shrugged. Nothing. He said that he went to Panera Bread to use their Wi-Fi and found an online story about a shooting in the neighborhood.

It appeared to depict his family's home. And so they said, well, why didn't you contact your relatives or try to get any information on this? And he said, quote, I just didn't wanna know. Didn't wanna know. Yep, he said, yes, I did have the motive and the opportunity, but I didn't do it. Yeah.

So they ask him about the note, he can't figure that out. Near the end of the interview, he said, they asked him about, why did you do this? And he said, I didn't do any of this. And they said, who else could have killed your family? And he said, I don't know. I've been getting blamed for the last half a year for everything and I've been trying to move forward in a positive direction. And then every day I'm reminded of all the trouble that I caused.

And then I Keep being told the same thing over and over again that there's nothing I can do to change it That's not an answer to who killed your family And then he said at one point I keep getting blamed for everything so you might as well blame me for this too Okay, this that's not your mom. She's not the cops aren't gonna go. Oh, it's okay, Grant. We didn't mean to upset you. They're gonna go. Yeah, we are gonna blame you for this, stupid. So then they got Jay, they bring Jason in to talk to him. Really? His brother. Yeah. And he denied killing his family to Jason. Jason said, I'm gonna pray for you, brother, because I can't pray for mom, dad or Cody anymore." And Jason also said, I want to believe you, Grant, but you're the last person I can put

in that house. And I know what happened over the last six months. I can understand that trouble that you've gone through, but it's hard for me to think that you would break to this point. And Jason said, I may not have been able to stop you. You may have been, you probably may have hurt me too, but at least I would have known what happened if I was there And that's what he said he left never got grant to say anything before they as the cops are getting up

Grant asked the cops. What am I allowed to do? Because they don't arrest him. Yeah Yeah, can I do and they said live your life yeah again, we're not your fucking parents stupid We don't have an agreement with you. They let him leave, release him from custody. They say he's cooperating with the investigation. Then on the 28th, they say that they have obtained an arrest warrant and they charge him. And they are gonna arrest him without incident at 1 a.m.

Yeah, so the note in the car is a big deal because they're saying that that's proof that he was trying to frame his brother. And look, I'll show you the note. It's in like handwriting. No one will ever bother you again regarding this. Just please come home, I can't do this again. Blah, blah, blah.

Okay, now they find out that in the fucking two days from when the family was dead till you know when they arrest him He attempted to cash in on the life insurance policy on his parents already Got a white tokens man, which was denied because you know they were barely dead And he's the main suspect right that's so they can't do that. He's trying to get it in My webcam girl credit. No shit then records they find banking records after the three of these people have been killed after their bodies have been discovered by the police. One of the family credit cards was used to purchase $600 worth of tokens on my free cams.

Get out of here. Yup fucking unbelievable. They also alleged that after he killed Chad, Grant used his father's fingerprint to access his online banking app so he could transfer money. Apple Pay or whatever. Yup. Now they get the forensic electronics person in there and they said they had a number one they found a thumb drive with many explicit pictures that were connected to Grant's computer at 11.32 PM, the night of the killings. So well after everybody was dead. Oh my God. Well after everybody was dead.

The night of it. Night of it. Seven minutes later, Cody's iPhone was connected to Grant Amato's computer. So Cody's phone hooked up to Grant's computer. The trusting process, which is what they do to verify, was not completed on the computer indicating whoever connected the phone may not have been able to enter a passcode. Meaning you need one for the computer. The phone might be open but you need a password for the computer. At 11.42 p.m., the phone was put into recovery mode. They said, the technology person said,

based on everything else I examined, I believe the person was trying to wipe the phone. So they go through the whole thing. This is Chad's phone. Chad was a die-hard Florida Gators fan, so he spent his last afternoon alive on a Gator Chatter football forum. Attaboy, Chad.

Where he argued with other people about quarterback Philippi Franks' passer rating jump in the 2018 season. Ah, he's great, he deserves it. That's, wow. Oh, that's what he likes. At 4.41 p.m., Chad was listening to Sean Hannity while driving home from work At 524 p.m. The phone was unplugged from his car

At 525 he took 67 steps apparently walking into his home And that's when I think he was shot right when he walked in his house Yeah, so they think mom was shot about 430 dad was shot about 530 and Then waited Cody was not till 9 something. Yeah, he got online and fuck around Yeah, wow So around that time they said the next phone was on the next time the phone was unlocked Chad's phone dad's phone was at 552 p.m. somebody went into the preferences and the phone of the phone and then remained unlocked

they got they took off the password yeah yeah so you could just open it around 9 p.m. Chad's phone received two incoming calls from Cody so Cody called dad evidence of which had been deleted from the phone. At 11.28 p.m., the Safari web browsing app was pulled up on Chad's phone, with somebody Googling how to wipe an iPhone without a passcode. Come on, man. At 12.08 a.m., the USAA banking app

was accessed on Chad's phone using his fingerprint to open that. They said it was possible to use a dead person's fingerprint to unlock an iPhone. It didn't know the difference. They said that his, by the way they said Chad's right index finger was noticeably less bloody than his other fingers. Wiped it off. Wiped clean, yep. They said that's how that works. So everybody's a little freaked out by this now. It looks like it was pretty, this is very cold. Yeah. Ice, ice cold, incredibly

glacier cold. He didn't kill three people at once and then dropped to his knees and tears and then called nine one one and said, oh my God, he was sat there and played video games and jerked off to a Bulgarian and this. And polished bloody fingers to make it all happen. By the way, their grandmother, this is Gloria Amato, said that he stole money from, quote, that kid did it, Grant killed them, get rid of these people, I will be free. Is she saying if I get rid of these people,

I'll be free? Get rid of these people, I'll be free? Him saying that. That's his words, not her. I think, yeah, I think it's not her going, get rid of him, fucking throw him away, I'll be free. And the horse people said that she's a part of our barn family and always will be. So he wants bail.

Really? Yeah, he wants bail. The prosecutor said everything points to this defendant in this case and nothing else. They said that the standard for denying bond is high, the defense said. It's beyond a reasonable doubt. It has to be a clear conviction of guilt and we just don't think the state met that burden. We'll accept the decision if the judge decides not to free him though. The judge says get the fuck in jail.

We're not going to free him. He writes a letter to his online community. Ah! All 80 of them, listen, I gotta talk. It's literally one, two, three, four, five, six people. It's his friends. Yeah. Hey guys, I won't read the whole thing,

but just the pertinent parts. I was thinking of writing each of you individually, but I felt like it might be easier to reach everyone if I just did one message to the main group of guys that I got to know over the months. The purpose of this letter is an apology to you guys. Jim, Josh, Ian, Sven, Frank, and Wolf. There's always a wolf in the mix.

You can name everybody in your online community by first name, dude, come on. Very quickly. He said, I think it's safe to say by now that everyone here knows I made a drastic mistake with Sylvie. I upset her, made her very sad, and ruined the end of December and beginning of January for her. That's his big mistake. Sir.

Wow. Wow. I won't go into great detail because that's not the purpose of this message. But I lied to her and you guys from the beginning about myself. I'm not a professional gamer, did not own my own house and did not drive a BMW. The major one here was gamer. I know that I at least told all of you guys that I was that and while I did attempt to get into this Twitch gaming,

it never took off like I had said. I have no excuses as to why I felt the need to do this from the beginning. I can only excuses as to why I felt the need to do this from the beginning. I can only plead stupidity and then I felt intimidated from the onset of the room environment and felt like I had to be something far more unique than I was. While the money I have, tips I gave, and the way I was and am are my true personality and way of being, I could never escape the lies that I told at the very beginning because they became a topic of discussion either between Sylvie and I, which would spill over into the room like she always does, or it would

be brought up by someone in the room like Tiger Blue, etc. Okay. So he said, my whole plan was to start anew in January I would drop the whole gamer persona and simply pursue my actual CRNA job as I had been more than More and more near the end of that year The profession was going through a legal issue at the time and that's why I began to pursue the whole gaming thing Not the profession you yeah, you were going through a legal thing where you got fucking fired. And also, what about the murders, man? What are you talking about?

This Twitch shit. Nope, he goes into saying he was, this would not be subsequently ambushed me where I was staying and forcefully signed me into a clinic in Fort Lauderdale. That's the rehab he went to. It was cornerstone, he says. They felt like I had an unhealthy addiction

because of the type of profession Sylvie has and the quantity of money I spent in the span of six months. Six months. The profession she had isn't the problem. It's that you have to, her profession is to take money from you. Yeah, you don't have a relationship. That's fucking ridiculous.

So yeah, he goes on and just basically says, one, Jim, while it was always more of a joke than anything, you were really like the father of the room to me. I know I lied to you first about being a gamer, but everything else regarding how I felt about Sylvie, my concerns for her, and the many things I tried to do simply to make her smile were genuine. It basically gives everyone their own thing.

Ian, you were always the kindest one in the room. I miss you the most, in man. Oh, yeah. Sven, you were always my eyes of MFC. Yeah. Oh, boy. Frank, I didn't get to know you as well as the rest, but I feel like we were getting to know each other

a lot more near the end. Wolf, much like Frank, we never spoke a great deal outside of the room. It's an apology. He says, everyone, I ask forgiveness for my stupidity. I made a terrible error. Never talks about murder. Nothing.

I'm sorry for the length of this message. Yada, yada, yada. Thank you for sticking with it till the end. If you guys have anything to say to me, you can always email me here or on Twitter. My parents deactivated my phone service and changed my phone number, so I have still been locked out

of my regular Twitter accounts. Wow. Okay. April 26th here, a Seminole County judge grants him bond. Why? Says he can, if he does put up the money, he must wear a GPS monitor, live in Seminole County and is not allowed to access electronics with data usage or internet access and must surrender his passport. Um, he also

can't pay for the bond using any monies he may get from the debts of his parents, like their life insurance or anything. The bond was set at $250,000 for each victim. $750,000. He's got no money. So he starts emailing reporters. WESH reporter Dave McDaniel. Amato said he wouldn't mind telling his story if he's able to bond out of jail. He's trying to sell his story as an exclusive.

What an idiot. Yep. The state attorney also released emails from Grant Amato while in jail. In their discovery, the prosecution found that one, this is something they thought was interesting. This is one of those, you're going a little too far. You have electronic data, just use that. They said the hint word for his email password was shinagami, which means God or spirit of death that invites humans to their death. It's Japanese Grim Reaper essentially here. So they want to use that in their fucking case, which is stupid.

He's an anime guy. He probably has even darker words that he could have used. That's what I'm saying. So he tells this reporter, Dave McDaniel, I just want to feel the sun again, feel the breeze on my skin, feel the simple pleasures every innocent man feels. Wow. Another reporter, Vanessa Ariza, he asked her if they could offer anything in return for an exclusive interview.

He asked also a guy who was going to make a documentary that's on Paramount Plus right now, Archdeacon is his last name, he said, do you know any millionaires that might be able to help me out? He said, if you happen to know any who would like to post my bond, I'd be eternally grateful and I'd give you exclusive rights to my story. No. We don't know anybody. No. He said, I was granted a bond on Thursday, but I don't know how I'll be able to pay it. If I could somehow post this bond and be free again, I wouldn't mind telling my story. So yeah, he's exchanging with everybody here.

Here is one he wrote to Vanessa Ariza there, the reporter. If I can somehow make the bond and get me out of this wrongful incarceration and be free again, I would want to tell my story. They say all these horrible things about me and thankfully my attorneys were the best and got me this bond for an innocent man. So Colin Archdeacon is the guy who makes the documentary. And yeah, he tells, this is fucked, Amato wrote this by the way, it seems to be my half brother's mission

to make my life much harder by not believing with me, communicating with me, or helping me, even after I was blessed with a very high bond. Interesting, so his brother's not putting up his bond for him is what he's saying. He's not gonna put his house up for you. No, you fucked everybody else. Nobody's blessing you for your blessings.

No, so he wants the shit from the email to be tossed before trial. He also wants the anything they found in the house to be thrown out because he says that it was an illegal entry. Oh yeah, the pick lock. Because it was a well-being check. Yeah, so that's what he

says. The judge says, no, it was pretty good. We found dead people. It's fine. So yeah, they talk about also the email addresses and all that sort of thing. By the way, the Honda Accord license plate is a personalized plate. It does mean light. It's yeah, that I guess because his email address is G Amado light at gmail.com Hmm, which is yeah, and I guess Cody amados character always was zero. That's all his stuff That's how that goes so Friends say that he in a pre trial hearing grant said by the way that the shinagami things That's something his brother did and he's trying

to say like his brother is shady. And then his friends though testify at that hearing saying that's a lie. He lied about and they literally have a fucking hearing to have a bunch of nerds parse fucking meanings of animation. And they'd have some 70 year old judge sit up there going, all right, I have no idea what anyone's talking about. Now for the trial, 12 jurors, eight men and four women, obviously, here, adding up to 12.

The defense is that they said that he's made good grades in school, his lawyers say that he wrote an apology letter as proof in their case, and so that's for something else. He's a good kid. Yeah, he's not a bad kid, and we should be nice to him. So they also push for him to undergo a brain scan before trial Not to show that he's crazy. They don't want to say he's insane

They say we're trying to show that he's normal they therefore would never have committed this crime. Oh Well, which we're trying to show he's cold-blooded and maniacal not that can backfire facts. That seems very dumb Yeah, death penalty very much on the table here, by the way. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, the prosecutor said that he acted in a cold, calculated, premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification. I would say so. But the defense attorney said, there's some issues here.

I think we have some mental health issues. I don't think they'll execute him. So the prosecution says that he killed mom because she was there. He said, why mom? Because she was there. That's why he couldn't let her live. They said he spent the whole day there.

He shot her while she sat at her computer at 445, because that was like her last keystrokes. So they know right when it happened. She was found face down on her computer desk, and they said for four hours, then he shot his dad an hour later, then for four hours he sat there with the dead bodies of his parents

waiting for his brother to come home. He said, by any definition of the word cold, these murders were cold. Yep, and the defense says, that's a pretty good point, that's not good, but we don't like your timeline. They say your timeline is all off because the girlfriend said that Cody spoke with his father after 9 p.m., so he must have been alive.

No, he got texts from his dad, and then his dad, yeah. He didn't speak to his dad at all. No, he tried to call his dad and dad didn't answer. So then they bring the forensic electronics person and they say all the stuff I told you before about all the times. During a cross examination, Amato's lawyer asked this person whether she,

the forensic technology person was present at the house at the night of the killings and she said no, obviously. So the lawyer said, you don't know who plugged the phone in and all that, and she said no. I said, you don't know this and that? They said no. And the lawyer said, so you're engaged in mind reading, is that correct?

No. You're just saying it was my client? It's like, well, he was the only one alive in the house, so probably. Why would the guy that owns the phone inquire how to wipe his own phone? That's the dumbest thing ever. So now, he also, the defense says

there was poor police work saying the investigators did not do enough to consider other suspects or adequately process the crime scene. They didn't process the home's door handles or garage keypad for fingerprints or any other evidence. They didn't process the home's door handles or garage keypad for fingerprints or any other evidence. They focused on him. But then the jury saw a video, also his interrogation video, a bunch of videos between him and Sylvie. They saw one where he appears to be outside of his home on the way to check the mail, pleading with Sylvie to send him free videos.

Give me a discount, come on! This sounds, dude, this is the weirdest shit ever. This is so pathetic. Are you ready to hear the most pathetic thing you've ever heard? I think so, yeah. I'm asking you if you can please, pretty please, send me one of your videos.

I love it so much when you just send it to me. I don't like buying your stuff, it makes me feel weird. You know, like you're not my girlfriend and stuff. Makes me feel like a customer. Fuck me. She, by the way, they never find the murder weapon ever. Really? Well, I mean, never find it. It was gone for a while, but he's treating her like a friend that works at McDonald's.

Could you give me a Big Mac? Come on, just hook me up. Come on, just hook me up, man. I got $2. He sounds like fucking menace to society crackhead. Come on, just hook me up. Come on, just hook me up, man. I got two dollars, he sounds like fucking menace to society crackhead, come on man, hook me up. When I buy it, I feel gross. Yeah, just. When it's free, it tastes so much better. It's so much better free, I didn't care if it's one

of the cold ones you're gonna throw out soon. The defense attorney said, that's funny, this isn't his closing argument, he said, gee, that's funny, now the brother, the brother is all thinking, you know, oh grant is behind this now the police think he's all behind it That's funny when they brought him in and sat him in a room for seven hours. They let him go They said they didn't think he did it. They said and did my client flee? No They said he could have been halfway to Bulgaria by the following morning

On purpose, yeah have been halfway to Bulgaria by the following morning. Might say Bulgaria. Well, on purpose. Yeah, that's hilarious. Grant, we said he was cooperative, and this is ridiculous. The jury comes in with the verdict of guilty. He's fucking guilty, yeah. What are you talking about? He's real guilty, yeah. Super guilty, looks terrible that he then accessed banking

and shit like that, it's not good. Extra fucking salt in the wound During sentencing Cody's girlfriend said it's been devastating for all of us It's difficult to accept that he was only 31 and he will never be any older Oh boy his half-brother Jason said one of the biggest things I miss is being able to talk to my mom It's been 208 days He said though they're gone, I want everyone to know that Chad, Cody and Margaret were amazing people. And then the defense

asked Jason if he still loved Grant and he said, yes, he does. Yeah, of course. Prosecution here, they, wow, they listed a variety of factors. I mean, just holy shit. Because in the sentencing with the death penalty, the defense says, well, he's a Christian, he was a good student, he was a nurse who dedicated his professional life to providing healthcare,

lack of disciplinary history while in jail. They said also was brother and best friend of Cody, which is the worst worst in my opinion. Yeah, he said, but he did it, so yeah. Wow, so they heard from a psychiatrist who was called by the defense who said Grant would be well suited to a life in prison and present a very low probability for any major form

of acting out or management problems while incarcerated. Okay, so they say you, sir, may fuck off three life sentences without parole. Okay, well. No death penalty. Okay. Wow, that's weird. You would imagine in Florida that would be death penalty.

I don't know if I'm on the fence. It's pretty cold. It's pretty fucking cold, man. It's a bad dude.'s pretty fucking cold, man. This whole thing is... It's a bad dude. This is cold shit, dude. For his own...

Yeah, people murder to like rape and people do like... This might be scummier because it's just like... It's your family and it's for money and it's gross. You murdered your whole family to chat with a Bulgarian girl. That's so fucking weird. With... How'd you think you were gonna get away with that? That's what I'm wondering then what?

Then and then what's the next step right? Oh, they'll never know. I don't know. I guess blame it. You murder-suicide The defense attorney said I considered it a huge victory. I've never been around a defendant with such a lack of emotion So when when so much is on the line and it's your life. There was no breakdown crying, there was no hugging or turning or hugging me because I saved his life. It was just standing there, straight face, no emotion. That's how he always is.

He just shrugs. So he starts serving at Tomoka Correctional Facility in Daytona Beach. He's gonna appeal and that's fucking denied, so I'm gonna get that right out of the way. And then talk about Control Alt Desire. That's the name of the documentary that was made. Colin Archdeacon made that.

Yeah, got it. Yeah. And they say it's a documentary about, you know, we know this guy did it and here's the layout. It's like the Murtaugh documentary basically. It's the same type of thing. It's a three-parter. It's pretty well done.

I'll give the guy credit. He did a good job. It's his directorial debut and he did a good fucking job So not bad, but the problem is it's kind of like a million other documentaries. It's a three-parter. It's That sort of shit here, but Grant is in it through the whole thing. He's talking to Grant yeah, he's talking to everything and he Will find out, but he pisses off the archdeacon guy too.

He has relationships in prison. Tons of women are talking to him. Really? Yes, and he says they're all like true crime. He called them true crime junkies. And they all wanna talk to him, all these women. He said they're all really disappointed when he's not like this

drooling monster that they want him to be. They want him to be like a psychopath and be like dark and say weird shit. And he's just, he's a fucking dork to the nth degree, just a dork. And he said they all get disappointed in me. And he goes, you know, it kind of hurts my feelings if they're all real interested in me. And then, you know, they find out I'm just kind of normal and then they don't like me anymore. They find out a Bulgarian was interested in me but then then they find out it was only for the money and then now they see why. Yeah no shit he said he's become somewhat of a celebrity. Well I just heard of you bud. Yeah well there's an online true crime shit they

talked about this incessantly. It's a lot. So he said that he wrote a letter here and he said that my time in jail has been nothing but depressing because of many factors. He tells this woman that he knows the pain of being separated from the woman you love. And he says that he and his cellmate have bonded over their shared histories

of working in the medical field. When the cellmate shared bonded over their shared histories of working in the medical field. When the cellmate shared that his girlfriend was pregnant, Amato said every inmate in their pod guessed at the baby's gender. Isn't that adorable? We had a gender reveal. Prison games. When the news that the baby came, he's this big smile on everybody's face and he wrote

the woman a letter saying, you know, very happy for you and all this type of shit. So, he has a girlfriend while he's in jail. Stop it. Oh, yeah, one of these girls from the outside, she saw, there's an interview with her in the documentary, she saw all of his anime boxes in his room and was smitten. She's like, oh, he's just like me. Yeah.

She said, like, he likes the more stuff that I like, like he went to Japan Japan was into that stuff And according to granny spent most of his time in his room playing video games And you know all that kind of thing so she said that lifestyle she liked and she related throughout most of everything about him She said my parents pretty much spoiled me. I guess I guess I turned out a little bit better But I first got in touch by writing him physical letters She said, my parents pretty much spoiled me, I guess. I guess I turned out a little bit better, but I first got in touch by writing in physical letters. Unreal.

Yeah, she said, we talk every day, like all the time, how are you, and all this type of shit. Saying hi, then I'm thinking of you, then I can't wait to see you and talk to you tonight because you're my precious little key. I don't know why they kept saying that, I guess, to the outside world. Yeah, I love you, and shit like that.

Yeah, she said that I wouldn't say that, he's like a bad person, she says, which is pretty fucking funny. And she says that he totally fell in love with me, probably I think that everybody usually does, so I'm not surprised. This is what this girl said. And they said, what are you talking about?

She said, well, most for me, my online persona, I guess, they fall in love with that. She said, I kind of feel like I don't want people to look at me. I kind of blend in the outside world. But then online, I'm this different person. I'm the center of attention, she says. Fake it different person. Yeah. On the center of attention. Right.

She says. Fake it, right. Yeah, yeah. And so she says, and then there's this fucking video of him talking to her about getting pictures saying that, you know, oh man, that's probably one of the sexiest ones I've ever seen because I love you in stockings and I got to see your legs and all this stuff. You're just so adorable. You're the best out of all of them by such a such a freaking landslide, he said.

Freaking landslide. A freaking landslide. I just love you so much. I really do. He at one point, love you freaking. He says, quote, I love you five ever. Which is one more than forever Five ever which even if he wasn't guilty we should put him in prison for the rest of further for five ever in prison Fucking idiot so

He's so immature. He's so immature. He claims that Sylvie wrote him a physical letter too. And the filmmaker asks him, is this real? And he goes, oh yeah, this is a real letter. Saying, my light, this may seem out of the blue, but I do not have any excuses for the separation that has existed. The circumstances of your life became what they are.

You're still the only man to treat me the way you did. You made me feel like a little girl again. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The man wrote that to him. Yup. Jesus Christ. Then, during the documentary, while he's on the phone with this fucking guy in a video chat, they said, the guy says, I heard the news that your repeal got denied. And he said, yeah, it was flat your appeal got denied and he said yeah, it was flat out 100% denied. They just said you know that must now that must be tough for you.

Fuck off basically. He said you know it sucks because you know you come to a point in your life where you've been beat down or you've just lost so much over and over and over again and it's so it's so hurtful that that's part of what my life is boiled down to. He says nothing he says He says I don't want I don't want to keep wearing masks anymore or keep anything up anything false So I just had the realization that I've helped out well, and then he like has a pause and The guy says you know you're being both profound and ominous right now

is there anything you want to say to me before this call? Because they say one minute left on the call. You get the one minute left on the prison call. And he said, I just want to say I appreciate the professionalism and everything and the respect and everything that you've given me. And then they get the one minute remaining. He said, so basically the entire time I've been accepting my innocence,

or I've been saying my innocence for the sake of like, you know My future with appeals process and everything else like that He said but you know I feel like it's important to you and just for other people in general that I actually tell the truth The truth is that I did commit those crimes and I did do it. Yeah, we know he fucking yeah He actually says it he said murders, and that's obviously currently what I'm dealing with right now. So they said, holy fuck, yeah, he did it. He said he did it.

He said that Margaret was playing Candy Crush. Oh boy. And his girlfriend said, that's just so sad, because that's like a real mommy, mom Facebook-y type thing to do. Yeah, then she says, can you tell me where the gun is? And he says, yeah, sure, it's buried. And he tells him where it's buried.

And the cops go looking for it, he goes looking for it, they never find it, wild goose chase. So we don't know if he lied or if he fucked up before he buried it. But we think he lied. I'm gonna give Grant the last words here because they're very ridiculous, too. Is this he said?

He said, to this day, it's Cody that I miss the most. Grant, he just is in love with Cody, man. If he could live his life talking to the Bulgarian girl all day and hanging out with Cody and that was that he'd have been happiest guy in the world fucking weirdo, so Everybody that is Florida and that's a lot of Florida right there and we could have made that episode could have been four hours long I'm not even kidding you I had so I had just a plethora of information. That's the most pertinent there, but it's shocked He never shuts the fuck up. He never stops writing things

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