Small Town Murder - #523 - Beauty And The Beast - Marion, Indiana

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

This week, in Marion, Indiana, a frantic 911 call from a man, driving to the hospital, who says he found his wife, choked to death by her home workout machine. But this former Jean Claude Van Damm impersonator doesn't tell the detectives that he's been having a raucous affair with a cop's wife. Between that, how similar his name & face is to Scott Peterson & some discovered home security footage, he's quite suspicious! Did he viciously choke her with a barbell??Along the way, we find out that James Dean probably wouldn't appreciate a car race in his honer, that Belle women never like Cinderella women, and that you shouldn't forget that you have surveillance cameras, when you want to murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. This week in Marion, Indiana, what looks like a strange and tragic accident turns out to be a cold-blooded plot using a very unique murder weapon and proved by the killer's own video footage. Welcome to Small Town Murder. ["Small Town Murder Theme"] Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy.

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Also terrible murder happens. And you might say, how do you mix that together? Answer is, very carefully. But it works. That's the thing. Yeah, because it's very easy. There's nothing funny about a murder. Someone's being stabbed.

You're not like, that's hilarious. That's not funny. What's funny is someone going, I know if I stab her 20 times, I'll get away with hilarious. That's not funny. What's funny is someone going I know if I stab her 20 times I'll get away with this and that's a solution That's a crazy thought and that's hilarious to make fun of somebody for and a lot of these situations are wild, too So plenty to laugh at but what we don't laugh at but we don't do we never do is we don't make fun of the victim Or the victims family why James because we're assholes But but we're assholes. But?

But we're not scumbags, and that's how that goes. So that sounds good to you. You're going to hear a wild, crazy story. If you think that true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever cross, paths should never cross, then I don't know, maybe this isn't for you, but maybe it is. No complain later is what we're saying now. That said, I think it's time, everybody, to sit back, let's all clear the lungs, arms to the sky, and let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. Jimmy, you

ready? All right. We are going. Did you ever watch Chris Angel, Mind Freak? No, I can't stand that guy I just loved it because the very beginning of it. You'd always go Yeah, I remember that You look like you could get hepatitis through the TV if you watched him. I couldn't I couldn't know you look diseased Just dirty and gross To murder you yes, we are ready. Hopefully this trick doesn't work. But then it's like, mind freak,

and then he's like doing card tricks. Yeah, right through your loins. Mind freak. Yes, the 10 of diamonds was my card. Mind freak! So, we are going to Marion, Indiana. Now the case actually takes place in the actual addresses in Lafontaine, but there isn't a lot of information on Lafontaine because it's very small and very rural and it's counted as part of Marion anyway, so we're gonna use Marion. This is in East Central

Indiana. It's about an hour 20 to Indianapolis and about an hour 10 to Carmel, which was or Carmel, whatever it was our last Indiana episode, the oatmeal killer. I remember that one. That was crazy. Poison oatmeal. This is Grant County, area code 765 and the motto here. I feel like they maybe are late to the game on this. There's a couple other ones of these, but the city of champions, really? They say Pittsburgh is the city of champions. That's their- Who the fuck is from Marion?

Green Bay tried to take it for a while in the 60s, and then Pittsburgh took it, because they were in the 70s when they were winning all, with all the different sports. So we'll find out why though. There's a reason why here. History, the formation of Grant County here was in 1831. So it's not named after that grant.

Ulysses? Not Ulysses, no. It was established as the county seat. And that means you get all the records as we found before. And it's all gravy from then on. There's a river nearby that supplied water and power and drainage and all that kind of thing. And a lot of these,

apparently this was named after Francis Marion, who was a revolutionary war general and Yes, and the known as the Swamp Fox of South Carolina. Yeah, because that's a tougher name than Fox. Mary, what's his name? Francis Marion. Yeah, what's's a tougher name than Mary. What's his name? Francis Marion? Francis Marion, yeah. Two girls' names?

It's basically John Wayne is what he is. That's John almost. Isn't his name Marion? What's his last name? I don't know. His first name was Marion. I think Marion Limprist, I think, is his full name. And then he's like, I can't be a tough cowboy

if my name's Marion Limprist. I gotta be John Wayne sounds better. So. Marion, Marion Hipswagger. Something like that, yeah. Marion Light and Loafer, I think was what it was. Possibly, I think they changed it though. Marion Swishy.

Yeah, a little Swishy. So the Swamp Fox and Marion's prosperity they basically They were at their peak in night about 1955 So that's not great. Yeah between World War one and 1955 is their real peaked because they had a gas boom at that point They found natural gas there and then the construction of a General Motors Stamping and tool plant created a bunch of new jobs And the city blew up a little bit and you know things started happening They have the eight-time state basketball champion Marion Giants

That's why they're the city of champions because in Indiana high school basketball means a lot a lot They're so fucking into it. So yeah that that movie, they weren't bullshitting. They're really into that shit here. The Marion Giants play in a 7500 seat fucking building. What? The high school basketball team plays in a 7500 seat arena. That is wild. That's incredible. I got to say here. They also have a publicly owned oh I'm sorry wait the previous home of the Giants was another place and it was built after their first state basketball title in 1926. So eight isn't even recently these could have been from 50 years ago these titles. What are they doing?

This is a hundred year old storied program they only won eight times. Who gives a shit? Yeah who cares? Who played for him anybody notable? They don't say but I'm sure somebody I'm sure well, there's not we'll talk about the famous people from this town and there's no basketball players involved So now I guess no, nope They also have the hostess house, which I don't know if that's like hostess cakes or what it is But that's a big mansion that you can rent out for social functions and shit. Famous people from here, number one Jim Davis who is the creator of Garfield is from here.

And also James Dean the actor. James Dean from here. Their point guard? I think he was. He led them to a state title. And also for some reason, this is where Julia Roberts and Lyle Lovett got married. Why though?

Oh, I think. A, why'd she marry Lyle Lovett? And B, why here? Two questions for you, Julia. With it being a James Dean thing, I feel like maybe Lyle has an infatuation with him, or maybe she does. Who knows, maybe.

Let's do some reviews of this town, because we've never been here We don't know shit about marrying Indiana five stars here we go the police patrol my neighborhood every night Which makes me feel very safe at night the police officers are very nice and helpful when you lock your key in your car They have no problem getting your car open for you. That's the whole review How many times does this person locked their key in their car? It's like I swear to God once a week these cops are helping me out. That's Susan again. Get the fucking Slim Jim. Here we go. Four stars Marion overall is not the worst place in Indiana to live. Well, there's a rousing endorsement.

Overall not the worst place to live. Okay. It's in the middle of both Indianapolis and Fort Wayne so if there's nothing to do around town, people usually go to either of these locations. We're heading to Fort Wayne. Party time. I surprisingly know a lot of places in Indiana, I guess. That's weird. Why do we know so many? They used to have a lot of pro teams. Fort is was an NBA team back in the day like in the 50s. You got Larry Bird from French Lick. You got Larry Bird from French Lick. You got Indiana gets a lot of definitely overexposed for what you know. Superstars come out of there James. No

cultural relevance whatsoever but we all know a million Indiana towns. Michael Jackson from Gary. Like there's a lot of people. There's a lot of little towns from Indiana that everybody knows. People have popped up. So there's three stars. Parts of this town are literally falling apart. Once beautiful homes and buildings are falling down and overgrown with weeds, there are drug addicts walking all over the public places. We need support programs to help resolve some of the drug addiction problems instead of just filling up the jail. We need to be finding them help and build rehabilitation centers. I make this place sound like it's just zombies. It's a burnt out, midwestern, ex-industrial town. That's exactly

they just described a lot of towns. You towns. Two stars, where to begin? Dot, dot, dot, question mark. So they're like, ooh, there's so much on the plate here. Marion wasn't always all that bad. Back when we had factory jobs fueling our local economy, once those shut down and moved away, the trouble started. Uh-oh, the trouble. Small businesses hardly have a chance here.

There's very little in the ways of entertainment. We walk around Walmart for fun. Really? We walk around Walmart for fun because there's nothing else to do. It's either that or head over to Fort Wayne for some ripping good time there. And we are smack in the middle of the opioid crisis. We do, however, have a few nice things. Indiana Wesleyan University has a really nice campus on the south side of town. It's nice to just walk around there and forget about where you live. We also have

a pretty nice garden area in our city park. All in all, I would not recommend living here. No. One of your two best things to take a walk on a college campus or Walmart. Oh my God. on a college campus or Walmart? Clear your mind. One star college or Walmart? Where are we going tonight, sweetie? Where's our stroll? Oh shit. One star Marion is a scary place to live.

That's not a good opening sentence. There is a very high crime rate. We'll be the judge of that. We have these stats and you don't, sir. Also a fun fact about Marion is it was the last town to hold a public hanging. Well isn't that warm and cozy? That's nice. I don't think that's true though. Probably not. I think Massachusetts holds that honor. I don't remember. There's always a fun fact about a town that sums up Marion very well. People in this town here, 27,757. That is the population. So there's

a college there, which is a good chunk of that. So they're not really townspeople. They're just, you know, they live here, but they're not, you know, exactly going on there. Male, if a lot more female, 54% female, which is about the highest we've ever seen because of the college. Median age here is 36 and a half, which is normal. Family in this town here, low marriage rate because of the college, so it's 32% married. A lot of single with children, 27%, which is usually 10%. That's very different here. Cost of living in this town, or actually unemployment rate is about, it's a little above the national

average but nothing out of line. Median household income here, and again this is going to be driven down by the college as well because college kids don't make shit for money. Median household income $37,835 a year, which is about a little more than half the national average. That's not good at all. And cost of living we have here, cost of living 100 being average, you know, regular. Here it is 68, so pretty low.

Housing is a 29 out of 100. Median home cost here, buckle up, $103,900. That's incredible. And it's fucking falling apart. That's incredible. But it's fucking falling apart. That's the problem. This town is really seems to be... It's dilapidated. Seems to have seen better days.

You drive through it. Remember Kingpin? The movie Kingpin with Woody Harrelson? Remember when he goes back home to the town and he's driving in and like seeing like the ice cream stand when it was like what it was and now it's's like a husk. That's feels like that's what Marion is basically. And this is fucking strange where he was from. Yes, he's from Indiana. Absolutely. Which Woody Harrelson is always from Indiana and everything he plays.

What the fuck is that? That's the other thing is fucking cheers. What he was always talking about Indiana. Is he is he really from India? I think he is looking at me looks like always talking about Indiana. Is he really from Indiana? I think he is. Look at him. He looks like he's from Indiana. Yeah, he looks like he should be on the flag.

That's what I mean. Everyone in Indiana looks like this guy. Take a shot from him and white men can't jump. That guy holding a basketball, that's Indiana. There you go. Figured it out. So if we've convinced you, damn it, that Marion, Indiana is the only place that you can feel comfortable calling home in this big bad world, we have for you the Marion,

Indiana real estate report. Average two-bedroom rental here is where we start. Seven hundred eighty dollars, which is hugely below the national average, about five hundred. And there's a lot to rent because there's college kids. So there's plenty of rental properties. Here is a four bedroom, one bath. I don't know how that works. Seventeen hundred forty square foot shit dump.

I mean this place, you could push this house down. Like you could demolish this house without tools. You could just kick it down. Like that's how shitty it is. You can't eat Brussels sprouts before better, you'll fart your house apart. Fart it, right through the wood floor. It is, everything is boarded up and falling down.

You have to, this is the actual real estate listing. Four bedroom home in need of total renovation. Covered front porch, carport and shed. Use caution when viewing the home. All must sign the hazardous condition disclosure form attached before access will be granted. The home is on- Caution looking at it even looking at the picture

Don't stare too long though. You can huff and puff and blow this fucking house down The home is on a possible demo list from the city. So if you don't buy it, the city's gonna knock it down Purchaser must bring house to code all offers must have whatever So you have to agree to bring the house up to code. $13,000. But if you wait three months, the city may knock it down and it might be 10 grand. Well yeah, for just the slab at that point. Here's a three bedroom, three bath,

T-bowl for each and every bee hole, 3639 square feet. Okay. It says you can make, it's either, you can make it either a house or it's like a mixed use for business, it's zoned for. It looks like it used to be like a makeshift church or something. Does it have a property? It's got some but not a lot. One of the side walls of the house on the outside is just a ceiling to ground cross.

So it was a church at one point or else someone is really into Jesus one of the two here They have different signs Yeah in there there's a sign that says God is good and then in front of the shower There's a bathmat that says get naked. So It's a mixed The house is for mixed use you can say that Yeah, God is good sin it up get them drawers off girl That house is two hundred thirty four thousand dollars

It's fucking hilarious, isn't it? and then Hilarious, isn't it? And then a 300 or this next one four-bedroom three bath 3,208 square feet on three acres It's an awesome old house. It's fucking old as shit really cool Got like the pillars on the front porch. It's a really really cool looking house three acres of land $350,000 for it three acres of land, $350,000 for it. What? 3200 square feet, not bad at all.

That's awesome. That's a really good, for what it is too, it's a really nice old house. It really is. It's kept up and nice and all that. Now things to do in this town, let's find out. This just seems so wrong. It's the funniest thing in the world. You have to know a little James Dean history to understand this joke, but we all know how

he died correct everyone Anybody who doesn't know James Dean in the 50s was a well before our time Don't think that we're like all these how fucking old are these guys know well before our time James Dean was like a Real hot shit movie star that was like all the girls wanted to fuck him He was like he was totally different than anybody that come along because he was like a Sneering I think he was younger than that honestly. And he did a few movies and was like the biggest star in the world and then drove his Porsche off a fucking cliff basically in fucking California there.

And yeah, died in a car accident. So there's the whole live fast, die young. He's the live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse guy. Man, he was hot as shit. Yeah, handsome man guy. Always smoking, very handsome man. Yeah, so they have the 48th annual James Dean Festival

and James Dean Car Run Show. What? A race? Are you fucking kidding me? The man died in a what? What the fuck are you doing? Holy shit, it includes a huge car show featuring 50s classics and custom autos. I bet a bunch of Porsches probably. Parade of neon, okay. Special guests, a swap meet. Gotta have that in the middle of all this.

And plenty of 50s entertainment. There's also a James Dean look-alike contest, gotta have that. I'm sure there's a lot of those. A lot of those. A dance contest, carnival rides and lots of fun along Main Street in the heart of James Dean's hometown of Fairmount, which is right next door. Visit the Fairmount Historical Museum, take a trip along the James Dean Trail in Grant County. It's very funny that there's like all this traveling. All this and there's going. James Dean.

No shit and there's this is great too. They have other events though. They have at three o'clock the flame throw contest. What? I don't know what that is. But they do that, you know, and it's sponsored by the Fairmont Fire Department, which is amazing. Let's teach people how to throw flames so we can put them out. That's terrific. Also, the Jason Wells band will be there.

Gotta have them. Who else? Alan Cochran and the Crestliners will be there. That sounds great. Who else is here? Let me get a band. The Giants will be there. Detroit Rock City, which is a Kiss tribute band of course that stole the name of a fucking movie

There's a Garfield great race is Garfield got a mixed Jim Davis in here a rock lasso contest Are you lassoing a rock or is it like rock music while you lasso? I'll bet it's a giant rock and you see how yeah Maybe it's a lasso at the bottom of it. The James Dean lookalike contest of course and outdoor screening of East of Eden which is a James Dean movie as well, obviously. And they say that they'll have local live entertainment on Sunday, not even a band name. I don't want you to know.

Local and live fuckers, just come on down. We've heard there's a podcast that rips them. We don't want to even say. We don't want you to know local and live fuckers. Just come on down We don't want to even say we don't want to say also a 50s dance contest Okay, which I guess is just you're just twisting a lot. Yeah Poodle skirts and like fucking cigarettes rolled in your sleeves flinging a woman around like that's what seemed like back then like who can be I feel like the whoever wins a dance contest is who is the most careless with the safety of the woman dance partner. That's what it feels like.

How dirty is she afterwards? How many possible broken necks did she get? How many times did her white poodle skirt drag along the fucking ground as you flung her from side to side, flipped her over your back for some fucking reason? I don't know. I want to know why that poodle was such a big fucking deal. I don't know. I don't know. I wanna know why that poodle was such a big fucking deal. I don't know, I don't know. I don't get it.

I don't know what the fucking gen... I don't know, yeah, the genesis of it is... I don't know. Blossom me, I'm not sure. It's like a carpet poodle on your fucking smooth skirt. What's the deal with that? Yeah, it was like a letterman poodle. Like a fucking letterman jacket.

Everybody's gotta have a poodle. Oh, she's on the poodle team, excellent. Crime rate in this town now, these people said it was dangerous and they weren't fucking lying. Really? The property crime is more than one third above the national average. Jesus. So it is, that's a lot, man. That's a lot of drug activity probably, I would assume. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime.

For a small town, it's usually a little, fucking right at average national average this town is it's it's brutal. So that said let's talk about Some murder and get into this. Okay. This is a what a weird story. This is man. Okay, let's do this Let's talk about a young lady. First of all here Lisa let's talk about Lisa young Lisa's born November 16th 1972 and has a very nice family. Lisa's a real happy-go-lucky young lady. Nice family, all that kind of thing. Her mother's name is Lucille. Her father's name is Jerry. Jerry, old Jerry Young. He sounds like a dependable guy, Jerry Young. Right?

Jerry and Lucy? Hell yeah. Yeah, like Jerry Young, he knows how to fix anything on your car, like Jerry, Jerry'll come over with like just his little toolbox and somehow fix any car, I feel like. That's my dad and my grandfather, they both do that. That's, and my father and my brother are like, that's it. No, I mean, that's their name.

Oh, that's their names, I thought you meant, they're like, yeah. Both of them, yeah. No, my father's, if you tell him that anything broke And that you fixed it So mad it's so bad I got a koozie and everything I'm waiting for the beer fridge vent thing I had to saw. He was like, oh, what the fuck? I have saws.

I have saws. I could have been there. I could have been sawing. This is crazy. I didn't use my saw yesterday. Just call me. He's so upset by that. He's going to go look at his saw and apologize to it

for not using it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, saw. We had him weld something. He's never been happier. I'm going to start breaking metal shit and just giving it to him. Because we gave him this light. He's never been happier. I'm gonna start breaking metal shit and just giving it to him. Because we gave him like this light thing

in the front of our house. It's like 100 years old and it's like brass or copper or some shit, so we had him weld it. And yeah, he was thrilled, man. I swear to God. If you have any broken metal shit, Jimmy, send it to me and my father will weld it. I'll get it right in the mail.

Let's keep him sane. I mean, my dad's name is Jerry and he can fix shit, but he's not coming over to do it. Like your dad's disappointed. I tell my dad I did something and he's like, oh, why didn't you call me? And it's like, cause you wouldn't have shown up. That's why. Cause you're very undependable. That's why.

Cause I had 28 years of my life that you weren't there. That's why. Don't you get it? Cause I didn't meet you until I was almost 30, man. Man. Like I can just assume that I can count on you now? Now all of a sudden you're going to just pop in out of nowhere when I need you? Sure, alright.

Let me go handle it first. He knows you're alive now, so that's good. He probably has more chance of him showing up. So Lisa though, she has her families together, her sisters, she has two sisters, so three girls in the family, which Jer is outnumbered there, four to one on Jer there. She I guess, her sister Christine is four years older than Lisa, and she says that her younger sister Lisa, always a happy kid, like child beaming with happiness, running around, and even in high school,

she's friends with everybody. They said she knows, she's the type of person that hangs out with every crowd. She knows everybody. And that's how she is too, she's real quick to ingratiate herself to people, they like her. She's very likable. She's been in Marion her whole life?

No, they moved a little bit and then they ended up. Marion is where, no, she comes to Marion later because she's from Philly originally. Oh, shit. Yeah, they're from Philly and she said they, as children that they like to roller skate a lot, especially Lisa, big roller skater in their driveway in Philly and big fan of the Cabbage Patch dolls, of course.

Oh, is that right? Yeah, 10 year old in the early 80s there. She said she always had a Cabbage Patch dolls, of course. Oh, is that right? Yeah, 10 year old in the early 80s there. She said she always had a Cabbage Patch doll in her hand. Which, yeah. She graduated from high school in 1990 in Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania, which I believe is a suburb of Philly, and also attended Philadelphia Art Institute.

So yeah, she, quite a nice life. Yeah. And then she'll end up moving to Indiana later on for a job. She lives in Swayze for a while, just like Patrick. So he definitely knew that one. Patrick Swayze, Indiana, which is another town in Indiana. Well, that's a that's the sister city to Lou Diamond Phillips, Oklahoma, in case you didn't know. I don't know if you knew that, but that's Swayze, Indiana, and Lou Diamond Phillips, Oklahoma. She- It's still, 30 years later, I still chuckle. It's so fucking funny, that's why.

It's so funny. It's so funny. Three, that was like five years ago, and it's still- Was it five? Jesus Christ. And it's still hilarious. So anyway, she ends up leaving there. She will end up in Indiana. She will do marketing. She went to the Philadelphia Art Institute, but she does

marketing, which is the least artistic thing in the world, which is interesting, unless she's doing artwork for it or something like that. Otherwise, artwork, you know, marketing is the most cynical. It doesn't seem like her, but she's good at it and enjoys it. I think a lot of it too is she's good at social situations and she's likable, that helps for marketing too. She is going to end up having a son in 1991. Which she's 19 years old. When she's in college she ends up having a son.

So I don't know if she drops out of the Philadelphia Art Institute and into something else Because she'll end up going back to college to do marketing while her son is young So her son's name and Jesus Christ you couldn't have a cooler name than this. This is cooler than James Dean here This is a cool thing. Her son's name is Dylan McCoy Which that's it sounds like a cat like you if you're coming up with a cowboy script you're like, what do I name this guy? He's got to be like he's badass, but he's also like real like she has integrity You know what I mean and type a guy that doesn't even squint in the Sun. It's Dylan McCoy. I think is your name He rolled into town. He didn't even have he's never been a lawman. They made him sheriff

They just want because his name is Dylan McCoy They just put the badge on his chest. They're like pow star on your chest homie. You're Dylan McCoy McCoy people will listen to Dylan McCoy You know thing he knows is you can't drink under 21. She knows about the law God It's all it is to keep like women from throwing themselves at him when he's like in preschool still and mom just get back. He's only a child Jesus Christ They only surprised him because the rest of it wouldn't fit. It's just so sexy. Yeah Way too big they said Dylan McCoy. He's gonna be using this thing a lot. We better make it We better pair it down to a usable manageable He's gonna be busy, everybody.

It's gotta be able to be accommodating. Otherwise it's gonna be friction burn and everything else. This is ridiculous. So Dylan's born in 1991, and she's a single mother in the early 90s, going back to school, raising Dylan at the same time, trying to make ends meet, but being a real good mom and doing it. I mean, she does it. She goes to school, she gets her degree, she makes ends meet here. Very much into her son. Her sister said Dylan is always everything to her and she does a wonderful job raising him always. Single mom, huh? Single mom, yeah. And

she's a, she, Dylan's a good kid too. I mean, she's, she raises a hell of a nice kid and a good kid and you know, huge penis and everything else, he's doing great. So. So casual. You know. Huge penis.

Huge penis. At one point, she worked at the JC Penny in the Five Points Mall, I believe while she was going to school. The Five Points Mall in Marion, which was formerly the North Park Mall apparently And she used and then she was the marketing sales director for WXXC radio in Marion as well Oh, so yeah, she's working her way up and working her way into the world and then in 1995 she meets a man.

She meets a man. Apparently one night, it's very rare that she goes out basically because she has a lot going on between work and a young son but one night she apparently decides that she's going to go out with her girlfriends. Her girlfriends talk her into going out on a rare night out for her and while she's out they go out dancing and they go to a bar and club or whatever, the hell I assume a bar in this area. And she meets a man named Scott Pattison.

And if you notice the name is very close to Scott Peterson, it's not the only thing that's close to Scott Peterson here. No, he even kind of looks like him. He's got a meat sack. He meets Saki. Look, he's just a, there's got a meat sack-y look. He's just a... There's just a... He's Steve Doeball.

It's almost like there was a parallel universe of like, there's a Scott Peterson here and there's a Scott Paterson there. It's so fucking weird. He's born... What was the Peterson ex-cop? Wasn't he a Scott Peterson also? I think he might have been, yeah. One that disappeared two wives?

Yes, yes. Well Scott, the whole thing has a real familiar tone to it here. He's born November 69th, so he's a couple years older than her, but definitely in the range. He is, at this time, and for the last few years, he's a big workout buff. He's real ripped and jacked and everything.

And he hands her a business card when he's talking to her, he goes, well, yeah, here's my business card. And it's, you know, I'll, if I gave you 5,000 guesses as to his profession, you'd never get it. And I'm talking not just you, Jimmy, our entire, hundreds of thousands of people, nobody would guess this man's profession. Beefcake extraordinaire. A Jean-Claude Van Damme lookalike. That's his job.

You hire him and he comes over and pretends to be, speaks in a Belgian accent and does splits. What the fuck else does Jean-Claude Van Damme do? Does splits with a couple of school chairs in your living room, what else? And shows you his ass, because that's what he does too. And then fucks a mediocre looking woman. And then does a movie with Dennis Rodman, and that's the end of it.

I guess it's better than being a Steven Seagal lookalike. That would be, you know. Oh, fuck. Nobody wants to look like Steven Seagal, I don't think. That's not, that's never happened. Yeah, but I guess if you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, you gotta go, oh, well at least I can make money with this face. I guess so.

With this gut. But Jean-Glaude Van Damme, you have to be ripped to look like him. Right, that's a lot of work. He's got his shirt off all the time. He didn't have it. There was a time in the 90s where I don't think he had a shirt on for three, four straight years. I think he never had cloth touch his chest. He just had it off,

and his ass hung out most of the time too. This is great. The most hairless face and neck you've ever seen though, until there was a movie where he had a light beard and it was like, he's fucking weird. Because he's a blonde man. Blonde men shouldn't have facial hair. They look ridiculous.

It was so uncomfortable. Oh no. Facial hair is not for blonde men. Be happy that you perpetually look like you're 12. Enjoy that instead. Facial hair isn't, you just look like a sick child when you, you know what I mean? When blonde men grow facial hair.

They look like sick children. You look like a large teenager. you, you know what I mean? When blonde men grow facial hair, they look like sick children. You look like a large teenager. Yeah, yeah, it's not good. It's a bad look. So he's a Jean-Claude Van Damme lookalike and he also owns a roofing company. Is that Jean-Claude Van Damme up on my roof with a hot mop right now?

He's the hot mop in my fucking tar. Is that a Sean? Is that Sean Claude Van Damme doing it from his crotch in a full split? He's stapling shit. That's how he nails down shingles. He does a split and pop, pop, and then he pops back up again.

He charges extra for that, but it's worth it. So he handed her the business card, and the friend was like, who's this guy? And she showed the business card, and the friend's like, Jean-Claude Van Damme lookalike. What the fuck is that? How does that do anything for you? What a tool, but Lisa was fucking hearts in her eyes.

She thought he was, he's big, he's handsome, I guess, if you, in that way, if you like that look. And he doesn't really look like Jean-Claude Van Damme, I will say, though. No, he's got the same color hair. He just picked up a couple of dumbbells and then said he had Yeah, and then speaks in a Belgian accent, probably, and screams, mortal combat!

No, Street Fighter he was in. Was it Street Fighter? He was, yeah, he was a guile or whatever. Was it guile? Yeah. Wasn't he? Yeah, not Mortal Kombat. That would be, no, completely different.'t he? Yeah, not Mortal Kombat.

That would be, no, completely different. That would be like fucking, not to do it. It's Johnny Cage. He played Raiden. You know what, I think it was Mortal Kombat. Was he Johnny Cage? No, it wasn't Johnny Cage.

Fuck, I don't remember. I thought he was Street Fighter. It really did. It must have been Street Fighter as Guile. It had to be. I thought so, yeah. Terrible shit though. It was awful either way.

So she is into him. She calls him up. He excitedly picked up his phone thinking it was a job for his Jean-Claude Van Damme lookalike business and he was like, oh it's just this chick I met at the bar. But they get together and I mean it pops fast, this romance, and within a year they're getting married. Under a year they're getting married. I mean it's, he's a single guy looking to settle down and she is a single mom and is totally into him. So why not? You know what I mean? So August 24th 1996 they get married and it

is a big fucking deal. I guess really I don't know who shelled out. I don't know if it's a huge event. I don't know who shelled out for this fucking wedding, but someone put some dough into this shit because She had I mean it was a whole big overblown thing and she they she pulled up in the white horse-drawn carriage What oh, yeah, they had up that way. They had a fucking Disney wedding and I mean that literally Yeah, no Beauty and the Beast themed thing they had going on. Oh Yeah So much so that during the reception, their couple's dance at the, you know, their first dance was to the theme song from

Beauty and the Beast. Oh boy. Beauty and the Beast not be our guest. That would be a weird rhythm for a first married song. It's too fast. Real wedding trot. It's not really romantic, you know what I mean? So it's beauty and the beast, it's all that shit. The Elton John song, right? Did he sing that? Who sang that? No, I think it was a woman. No, Elton John did the Lion King, right?

Yeah, he did that and he did all the other shit. He did a bunch after that. I don't think so. That was before I think Disney was doing like the big team ups with famous. Yeah with famous people and all that shit. They were doing their own so He dressed up as the beast for the dance. He dressed up I don't know what that includes the head or what but here. Yeah, you know what fucking Matt Or if it's just that weird like outfit he wore I was gonna say Captain Crunch outfit he wore. Stupid, I don't know, military-ish thing. I was gonna say, Captain Crunch outfit basically.

Yeah, very bizarre military thing that he was wearing. I don't understand. You were not in, I don't think you were enlisted. Was he an officer or something? I didn't get that. I don't know. Maybe before he was cursed, possibly. And again, he's a beast too.

I would put him in the military, it'd be great. I'd put him right on the front fucking line. He'd go up, ah, people go, holy shit! Then you can shoot him while they're all shocked. It'll be so easy every time. I'd drop a gun and run if North Koreans paraded that thing up on our doors. Run. Back to the South. So yeah, he dressed up as the beast and they did their whole, so I mean this, he's indulging her because because I'm sure he didn't have a Beauty and the Beast thing, probably. I'm sure it wasn't his fans.

No. And my daughter loved Beauty and the Beast when she was little too. That's the one little girls like. Yeah, it's because Belle's fucking adorable. Exactly, so she, they do this whole Disney themed wedding. And her mom said it was very beautiful and she was so happy that day.

I was so happy for her. Okay, is Lisa a brunette? We was Lisa brunette. Yes. Yeah. Okay. That's my point They see that she probably sees herself mostly and recognizes as that princess thing too for a second I thought you meant the mom. I was like, what difference is that? No, yeah her Lisa is a brunette. Yeah, so that makes that makes sense, and I think maybe that is like the brunettes Yeah, that's the brunettes princess. Yeah, that's the brunettes princess like yeah fucking fuck Cinderella Blonde shit the blonde shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, she's so put upon She goes outside the prince tries to fuck her immediately why blonde

bitch So she did was take a shower and put a dress on. That's it, that's what I mean. You're hot. That's the first story of like, you know, like the bet for like somebody, I'll bet you can't make her hot. And then they just take her glasses off

and pull her hair down and they're like, ta-da! She was the first one to do that. Drop the button glasses off. Perfect, there we go pop your tits hey look at you you're a fucking model remember the love potion number nine with Sandra Bullock that's all he did was take her fucking glasses off and take her hair down it's like oh wow she's hot wow it's like not another teen movie the spoof of the teen movies. That's what they did. They took like, she's gorgeous now. Wow.

Yeah. Like nobody can see this girl's amazing bone structure and fucking, please. Sick ass. No, we'll see right through. We have x-ray vision for that kind of shit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Hot in disguise?

That's, I see it. There's nothing that, there's no frumpy clothes you can put on a hot body and be like, she's gross. We will see your tits, we'll find them. We know they're there. I'll fuck the hell out of that frumpy girl. Yup, absolutely. So Lisa becomes marketing director for the mall

that she worked, the JCPenney Mall. So she's the marketing director there now and she loves the mall. Loves it the JCPenney Mall. So she's the marketing director there now and she loves the mall, loves it. She'd have been very disappointed if she kept that job for 20 years. Yeah, it just hears about Amazon ruining that shit. We have like four stores left, I don't know how to market this.

So it's a hair salon, there's a weave place down there. There's a- A hat airbrushing joint. Things remembered for some reason that no one's ever gone in. Nobody's ever been in. Two phone case kiosks and the husk of a JCPenney. That's all we have left. That JCPenney. Chinese toy kiosk in the center too that nobody ever buys. And like Asian drinks. The one place in the mall that has like all the like foreign weird snacks. Yeah, weird punches. Yeah. So she, I guess her sister Christine lived in Virginia and her sister said that she,

Lisa was just loved working at the mall. She said that was her whole enjoyment then, her son and the mall. Yeah. That's it. She said she loved all the workers and the mall walkers. She always had stories about the mall walkers. Wow. Because that is kind of interesting to be able to watch old people walk the mall every day and see the you'd have nicknames for everybody that comes in. Oh, there's you're involved in the mall that much. Yeah. Yeah, you'd know you'd have nicknames for every old person and you'd

have the whole thing there. She's like she's like the guys from Mallrats. What are they? Yeah, Jason Lee. Yeah, Jason Lee. She's Jason Lee. So she is very busy, too. She's a member of a shitload of things. Let's go through these. A member of the Ambassadors Club of Marion, don't know what they do,

the Grant County Chamber of Commerce, the Marion Rotary Club, the Treaty Church of Christ and Treaty. She also scrapbooked, painted, did crafts, and loved board games at the time. She's just doing all this, this is her interests, and her son and- How can you have time?

I don't know how you have time for all that. She's got a best friend named Leah Frazier, and Leah works at the JCPenney's at the mall, and that's how they met. And now she's the marketing director, Leah still works at JCPenney's at the mall, and that's how they met. And now she's the marketing director, Leah still works at JCPenney. So she, but she's gonna reach down from her exalted position

and still hang out with little JCPenney Leah. She said, listen, I'm not better than you now, just because I'm the marketing director. So they would see each other every day at work, and they sent each other texts and called each other, and they're really good friends basically, you know, like friends do. Send each other texts? What year is this?

Texting and call, or did I say, yeah, text messages. This is in the late 90s into the 2000s. Got it. So she's been married a while. Oh yeah, this is going through the 2000s here we're talking about, like the next 10 years from 95 on. So yeah, the marriage is going fine. They're texting, calling each other, like I said,

and they spend a lot of time outside of work together. They go to concerts and dinners and even vacations together. They also work out together, the two young ladies. She works out too? She works out because Scott really gets on her to work out. Because Scott is Mr. Workout. He's a Sean Claude Van Dam impersonator. So he's like, hey, you're getting a little flabby there. He's that Jean-Claude Van Damme impersonator. So he's

like, Hey, you're getting a little flabby there. Like he's that kind of thing. Oh, why don't you go work it out type of deal. Like she goes to a doctor and gets on weight loss medication as well, as we'll talk about. She's on a couple of different things to try to help her lose weight while she works out. She's not a heavy, she's not heavy at all too. That's ridiculous. That's the ridiculous part. I don't know how You know like cut she wants to be or how tight she wants to be but she's not like a big lady or anything at all By any stretch so they do that her friend Leah said she's a very loyal kind person What you saw is what you got at a Lisa always She said one time this is how nice Lisa and and Scott were

That Leah was her and her husband were planning to go on a vacation She said one time, this is how nice Lisa and Scott were, that her and her husband were planning to go on a vacation, but their daughter had a dance recital come up. Like they booked the vacation six months in advance, and then a dance recital pops up, so they're like, fuck. So what she did is Lisa took their daughter out of state. Lisa said, you go on vacation, I'll not only watch your daughter, I'll take her to her out of state. Lisa said, you go on vacation. I'll not only watch your daughter,

I'll take her to her out of state dance recital. You guys go to the Bahamas. Is such a lot to ask. Imagine asking someone to do that. Could you watch my daughter? Oh, could you like drive her to Illinois too and take her to the, and then watch a bunch of children dance also?

Watch all of the not your children dance. Nope. Because even though those dance recitals are brutal, all of the not your children dance. Nope. Because even though those dance recitals are brutal, sitting through to watch your own dance, this is literally none of the orders. You don't know any of these fucking kids. So stayed the night with the kid in the hotel, went out of town, took her to a hotel and all that,

so Frazier and her husband could go on vacation. And she said, that's the type of person Lisa is. That's just how she is. She said, even if she wasn't in a good mood, she had a smile on her face all the time. She had the most contagious smile. I always felt very privileged to have her as a friend. That's what she said.

She said, she's always upbeat and optimistic about life too. She said, she could be having the worst day and you'd never know it because she was just a happy person. So she's either suppressing it and repressing it, or she's really one of these people that goes, well, life's still good and moves on. Man.

Now, Scott and Lisa settle in in a really fucking big house, man. They do, they must be, his roofing company must be crushing it, or I don't know if- And she's soing company must be crushing it or I don't know if she's so busy She's busy, and I don't know if her parents have some money Maybe that would not possibly explain the extravagant wedding at the time sure sure yeah Because and I don't know if they help but their address here is 5581 East 800 s so south I guess La Fontaine Indiana.

I'm gonna show you a picture of the fucking house. What the fuck? It's a big fucking house. It's a four bedroom, three bath, 4,700 square foot house. Almost 5,000 square foot house. Fucking big and there's three people that live here. And it's just Lisa Scott and Dylan that live here. That's how you keep your marriage going, man.

Square footage. That's a- Yeah, enjoy your wing. Yeah, I'll be over there. 4,700 square feet's a big fucking house. No kidding. So his roofing business is doing well, and Lisa is a marketing manager at the mall,

so I guess, I don't know, they make money together. And also, this house today is still, like, the Zestimate today is still like this estimate on it is like $680,000 or something. So it's sold in 2019 for 240 something. So when they bought it in like, you know, two boomed recently, 1998, it was probably cheap. It's in Lafontaine in the end. It's in the middle of nowhere. So I just learned a new Indiana. There you go. They moved there about 99 2000 into this area in this house. And from Swayze is where she lived.

And this whole thing here from the time she gets married on they are really living the good life. Not only do they have this big house, they go on these vacations to the Caribbean all the time. They go snorkeations to the Caribbean all the time, they go snorkeling in the Bahamas. Big deal, they have big parties and all that kind of thing. They said their vacations in the Caribbean, they'd be snorkeling with stingrays and they'd be like, they're always doing shit, you know what I mean? And they thought Scott was hot shit, everybody thought, man, he must be doing great.

One, Lisa's son Dylan said he wanted everything to be the biggest and the best all the time. That's why they had to have the biggest house around and they have to go on the best vacation and we're gonna have the biggest party and have the best food. The best vacation sounds great. That sounds wonderful.

Fuck, three days off sounds good for me at this point. I don't even care if we go anywhere. We get two and a half from time to time and those two and a half are magic. They go by really fast. So fast. Especially if you go anywhere, god damn it. Oh man, oh yeah, then it's over. Forget it. Do you actually do something?

I need six hours of doing something. I sit in my house and watch the clock so I know it's going slower I can What I do that's it man. Oh man make this go by slow So he kept up on his fitness the whole time and he didn't want to you know I didn't want to start getting chunky here and he kept after Lisa always to stay in shape and Why don't you go with your best friend? You know go work out? Why don't you do shit like that? Lisa was always very conscious about her weight, the food she ate, the exercise she did. She did aerobics.

She did the stair stepper, did things like that. So Scott said, well, if you like doing that stuff, I'm going to install some gym equipment in the basement. That way you don't have to go to the gym to do it. You can work out at home. So he builds her like a little home gym for him to. They get a few things like a treadmill, a stair stepper, a tanning bed.

Look. That is, wow. If you stay fat, tan fat looks better than white fat. That's what we discussed the other day, remember? That was on, what was that, on Crime and Sports? We had a whole discussion about that. That's 100% true, yeah. It's true, that's all the wrestlers did that. Yeah, wrestlers used to invest in tanning beds

and keep them in their houses, and then they'd stop to tan all the time. So you look, you look, cause you look rested when you're tanned for some reason. Yeah, yeah. Whereas if you're pale, you look like, what are you, haven't slept or something? You look terrible.

You all right? Yeah, you okay? You sick? You've been sick? Jesus, you look awful. You look like cottage cheese So that and he also put in a weight machine down there with the bench You know one of those like a solo flex thing with the weight the bar and all that kind of shit But it's a bar that goes straight across. It's one of those not a

across, it's one of those, not a handles. It's a bar on a cord that lifts the weights like that? Yeah, and I have the name of the machines and all that too, so we'll get to that. Now, things got so good with the family here that Dylan grows to call Scott dad and everything. I mean, well, they got married when he was four. Yeah, and he doesn't know dad. He doesn't really know his dad so this is you know I don't know who his dad is but he must have been not a great guy if he's never never fucking around. Never heard of him. Yeah he's like I don't know him so I guess you're dad now so and he said

growing up I really didn't have a father figure I mean slowly and surely I called him dad so that was that. Family and friends though, as much as they are happy that Lisa's happy and that the family's doing well obviously financially and they have comforts, they're not really crazy about Scott. They got some issues with Scott. Yeah, they said some impressions that he was,

a lot of people thought he was a self-centered asshole, which would make sense. sounds like that and you may call yourself a most fit guy on the planet at the time look alike look at me yeah I'm a so there's that and everybody said also too he could be kind of a drill instructor to like Dylan and shit like that they didn't like that so that was a that was a thing that was kind of a red flag to them they said that they just didn't like that. So that was a that was a thing that was kind of a red flag to them They said that they just didn't get it the family basically. They said it was he's not a He doesn't really fit into the group there. They said, you know holiday gatherings. He was just just weird basically

they said that he would boss Dylan around like he was an army recruit and They said harsh punishments for the slightest fuck up and he was really tough on Dylan. Yeah. Dylan said at one point he didn't take out the morning mail, you know, to put in the box and put he said that this is crazy to basically fucking the mother had to say like oh you know act like this and that and act like you're sick and I'll go walk out to the mailbox and he is she had to like fix it like so he wouldn't get upset yes shit like that you know Dylan said, I had a great mom, but I always wanted a better fatherly figure. And, um, Lisa's mother though, never liked Scott, the sister really either. Um, her sister said,

I wonder, I wondered whether he was someone that totally respected and loved her with all his heart. And I didn't see that with Scott. Interesting. Now, there's a reason too, because later on in the 2000s here, we're talking about 2006, 2007, they'd been married 12, 13 years, Scott starts having an affair. Really? Starts having an affair, which is weird too, because it's with a pretty well-known around town

kind of a chick here. She's the former chief of staff for Marion Mayor Wayne Sebold at the time. Political gal. And her husband's a cop in town. Oh no. So yeah, this is a real touchy, weird thing. Same age, same in the ballpark age.

No, no, no, they're in their shit. He was born in 72, they're 30. No, he was born in 69. 69, so yeah, he's in his 30s right now. 40 something, right? Yeah, mid 30s is what that would be. 69, yeah, 69 to 99 is 30. Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

So, trust me on math. Okay, I will. So, Scott's having an affair with her. Her name is Stacey Henderson and she looks exactly like she sounds. Jimmy, describe Stacey Henderson to me. Big tits, narrow waist. And what color hair? Oh, that's a blonde lady.

That's a blonde lady, Stacey Henderson. You got it, my friend. You nailed Stacey. That's Cinderella right there. Boom. Yup. She is the Cinderella to That's Cinderella right there. Boom. Yup. She is the Cinderella to Lisa's Belle is what this is exactly.

So he's having an affair with her. The thing is, this is a small town and this happens a lot in these small towns. Everybody fucking knows. Especially if you're fucking around with someone who two people are well known here. He owns a roofing company. His wife, everybody knows she's in every club in town. This one worked at the mayor's office. Her husband's a cop.

If these two are getting together, people are noticing. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Lisa in 2008 discovers that Scott has been having an affair with Stacey. She knows. She found out. So she said, lay down the gauntlets,

what the fuck are you doing? And this is ridiculous. And he said, you're right. I'm sorry. This is terrible. He had to admit it because she had him nailed dead to right. So he said, I'm done. It's over. I'm sorry. You're right. This is crazy. I love you. Blah, blah, blah. And he stops, stops talking to Stacy for a little while, but that's last about three months and then they start on it again. Who put it back on? Was it him or her? Not sure. I don't even know if they know. There's a lot of relationships you go,

well who, who, you go, I don't know. I don't know who started this. We're fucking fire. We can't stop either way. It's what it is. So somehow they end up resuming their affair and Scott's just not happy in his marriage and he likes Stacey a lot better. But she's still married too, so they're both, they're both very unavailable, would be the best way to put it. And Scott's acting like they're just single

and he's trying to make a decision of who he wants to go out with. It's really fucking weird. So Scott, on November 19th, 2008, he does a really weird thing. He asks, he calls a real estate appraiser named Marie Lloyd and he said, hey, could you do me a favor and appraise my house for me, but without my wife knowing it? Yeah, don't tell the wife.

Is that possible? Don't tell the wife. He said that she said, oh, my guess and blah, blah, blah. And during the conversation, he said that I'm just trying to find out because quote, I don't know if I can afford a divorce, which is exactly like my old, the math joke that I had this, right? Yeah, same fucking thing. Or I'm trying to decide if it's financially possible to stop arguing with this person.

It's the same shit. So he said that I didn't know if he's that I didn't know if I could afford a divorce. And he laughed. Ha ha ha. The lady was like, okay, sure, I guess. That's an awkward thing to say out loud to somebody that's not involved in this. I guess you laugh and then they laugh and they just hope you're kidding and whatever and that's how it goes. So around that time here, Dylan, old Dylan McCoy,

cockswinging, he recalled that during the winter, and nobody fucking say, oh he's a child, he's not a child now, okay, he's fine. He's born in 1991, the man's 33 years old, he's doing fine. So he used that big old fucking hog to produce some kids probably. He can't even help it, He walks by people. They're pregnant Yeah, so

Dylan recalled one time in the winter of 2008 he and Scott got into an argument and Lisa got in the middle of it came in between them and Scott shoved Lisa away pushed Lisa now them and Scott shoved Lisa away. Pushed Lisa. Now, Dylan says that was the only time he ever saw Scott become any level of physical with Lisa ever during their entire relationship. He never saw it ever except for that. And she said that Lisa was upset but she didn't get hurt.

She didn't get shoved to the ground or anything. She just shoved back. He just shoved her back but he said that's the only time he's ever put hands on her. So, and's not great. But it's also, you know, I don't know what the context of it was. How hard was the shove? Was it more of a, hey, put, you know, push back? I'm not sure. Either way, it doesn't matter. But December 31st, 2008, again, still in the same winter. This is now November is the real estate thing, the shove comes right after that, then December 31st 2008, the police are involved now.

New Year's Eve police involvement. Wabash County Sheriff Leroy Stryker said that an incident in December 31st 2008 where he was called to the home for a civil dispute between the couple over property. They were, I don't know, fighting over their record collection on fucking New Year's Eve. They're together at this point. Right, right. We should be worried about what time

are we gonna go to bed tonight? Are we gonna stay up or are we gonna do the whole thing? We're gonna watch the ball. Let's watch the ball. Yeah, why not? He's getting real old. I don't know what it is. We're gonna watch the ball. Let's watch the ball. Yeah, why not? He's getting real old. I don't know what it is. I see him again. I just feel like watching Ryan Seacrest tonight I don't know what it is. I think I have yet. Was it was or was it him and Yeah, they had like an assistant for dick Clark. Yeah, get to Clark. You're like don't give him monologues anymore Dick Clark's

New Year's Rockin' Eve. New Year's Rockin' Eve. And then Ryan Seacrest goes, okay, Dick, and he moves him aside. Thanks, Dick. Hey, thanks for coming out. We're gonna do... I think this 2008-ish was when he was

warming his way into that bullshit, I assume, here. So the cop showed up up and he said that, the cop said he was only there for about 10 minutes, during which time nothing physical occurred between Scott and Lisa, and Dylan was also present at the time, and the sheriff drove Dylan to a friend's house to stay the night. Because he didn't want to be in the middle of the whole thing.

And so, somehow the sheriff's like, I'll give him a ride. Yeah, but the sheriff recognized- See how he gets all them ladies. Yeah, the sheriff's like, I'll give him a ride. Yeah, but the sheriff recognized. See how he gets all them ladies. Yeah, the sheriff recognized discomfort and was like, let's just not have the kid be a part of this tonight. He doesn't need to be here, right, probably? Yeah, yeah. And he's like 17 at that point too.

Right, he's almost an adult. This kid's almost an adult. Yeah, he's not seven. February 2009 comes around and they're still together. They still live together even though they've had problems and all this. He tells, Scott tells Lisa's friend Leah, they're talking about the fact that they're going to, they're having problems and all that and Leah's trying to talk to him and he says, well, I'm not going to give her 50% of my business.

So he's like, listen, all the rest of the shit, but I'm not giving her half the fucking business. Yes, you are. Just do it. Start another one. You know, I don't know. At one point during this right in this window, he called his mother-in-law, he calls Lucy up and he told Lucy that I don't think Lisa trusts me anymore

Well, she did catch you fucking the mayor's assistant. So maybe that's the mayor's chief of staff That that's probably a thing reason does she have to trust why would she it's gonna take more than that So he then started complaining about Dylan Which your daughter's a twat and your grandson sucks is a bad approach to your mother-in-law. You know what I mean? No, was he saying it to Leah or to Lucy? No, he's saying it to Lucy. Lucy, this girl. Really?

The other one was Leah. I'm saying around this time he called Lucy and told Lucy that, I don't think your daughter trusts me anymore. And his grandson sucks too? Your grandson sucks, yeah. And they said, well, why does he suck so bad? Because he doesn't clean his room. Oh, wow. That is frustrating. That is. And they said, well, why does he suck so bad? Because he doesn't clean his room.

Oh, wow. That is frustrating. That is. But it's also, you know, you have a teenage boy. That's true. I mean, it's one of those things. So Lucy said that Scott told her, quote, I want them to leave, referring to Dylan Enley's, I want them out of the house.

So then the mother said, well, you can leave if you're that frustrated with being around them. You're welcome to leave. And she said that he just said okay and hung up the phone. Okay, not getting where he wanted basically. Yeah, you're not on my side, gotta go. He wanted the mom to tell Lisa you should really move out. That's what he wanted,

because you know, your son's got a dirty room and all. So at a 4,700 square feet, he can't find another space to be in. That's amazing. Yeah. Then March 20, 2009, Scott files for divorce from Lisa. Four months later after the whole, yeah. And then a hearing is set for April 3rd. March 31st, Lisa retains counsel for the divorce

and hires and files a motion for continuance and they reset that for May 8th. These are important by the way, the dates here. You'll see later why. Then May 1st, Scott files for a motion for continuance in the divorce hearing and it's set for August 7th. Okay so he's pushing it out yeah. He's pushing it off okay. June 20th 2009 Lisa goes to visit her sister Christine in Virginia and yeah they've

been having problems and the whole family knows that they know about he's had an affair she told everybody they're talking about divorce and she said that basically I have a, Christine was her financial advisor, that's what she does for a living. So she was Lisa's financial advisor, she said I need to make some changes on my life insurance policy. She said that at this point it was $450,000 and it split 50-50 between Scott and Dylan. And she said I'd like to take Scott off of it and make everything go to Dylan as the beneficiary if that's possible.

And so her sister did that for her and all that stuff. Okay. Now Lucy said that Christine, Lisa's Now, Lucy said that Lisa, or said that Christine, Lisa's sister, mailed paperwork to give to Lisa to change the beneficiary from Scott to Dylan. And Lucy said that she gave Lisa the paperwork on June 20th and she believed that they were going to get a divorce.

And, you know, that's how it was going. So she's basically pulling everything away. But the thing is that the hearing had been postponed till August 7th and the family didn't know this and the lawyer had even refunded her retainer, which is weird. Lawyers usually once you give them money that's their money. They're not giving that back usually. No, that's nothing. No, if you got leftover retainer, you got to be like, I don't know, fuck, write me up a couple cease and desists for me, will ya? Because I'm getting my money's worth, homie.

That's basically a gift card. Yeah. There's a dude in Arizona that's got about 400 bucks of mine still that I haven't used because I had to do it to sue that fucking asshole car dealership people who tried to fuck me over. Yeah. I couldn't drive my car for six months. That was fun.

You ever buy a car and then have three weeks later have them call you and go, you need to bring that back because we didn't have the legal right to sell it to you. We weren't allowed to sell that to you. That wasn't ours. Well, I don't know what to tell you. At this point, Wells Fargo thinks it's mine, so we got a problem. The lean on it says it's mine, doggy. Yeah, that was a mess, dude.

So late June 2009, Scott is at work and he's telling an employee of his that he and Lisa were not getting along and it was really difficult having her living there while the divorce is being finalized. It's difficult that we're still living together. I wish we were apart, basically. Divorces aren't forever. Yeah, so it's weird. Now Dylan also thought the marriage was over at this point

because he said that Lisa had put away all the marriage photos. Oh. She put away, yeah, she took down the fucking wedding pictures and shit. She took down her Beauty and the Beast reception and everything. That shit is over, over, once the pictures are coming down. He's, Dylan's walking through the hall to empty photo frames. Yeah, with bright white with fucking darker around

them. Nothing in it. Nothing around him. And the house was put up for sale, so Dylan thought the divorce is moving along just fine and that's how it works here. And Stacey Henderson also is told by Scott that the divorce is going through. Because they're still having a hot and heavy affair here. Now July 2nd, 2009 comes around and it is exactly 1214 PM. And 911 receives a call. That's how we know what time it is. And it is Scott.

And Scott says, quote, my wife has had an accident at home. Which is not good, by the way. We've talked about the 911 analysis. They do tons of post after the fact analysis of 911 calls of people you know are guilty or not guilty. And usually when people haven't done anything to cause anybody's injury, they usually say, my wife is hurt. This is what's wrong with her.

Like, she's hurt. She's bleeding from here. This is happening. She's conscious. She's unconscious. Here's our address. Here's the facts you need to get me help Yeah, and I'm a man checking one of the four causes of death already. Exactly. Yeah This guy to go my wife is out of here If you build if you get on 9-1-1 and immediately build are building a narrative of what happened. That's not important right now

So that's a usually sometimes normal people do it that they're just yeah, they're a little too valuable and that's not important right now. So that's a usually, sometimes normal people do it that they're just, they're a little too valuable and that's what they do, but a lot of times it's a bad sign. So he calls, by the way, saying my wife has had an accident at home, he's not at home while he's calling. He's in his pickup truck driving and he calls and says this because he's got her in the back

of the extended cab. Oh. And he's driving to a hospital. That's what he does. Okay. All right. Well, I can see that being a thing. Then if I cut my hand on a fucking roto saw and somebody throws me in the back of the

truck and starts calling the ambulance saying, prep the OR. That makes sense. Yeah, I'm on the way. Well, he said I need an escort or something to get to the hospital quicker. Like I need a cop to come like take me or some shit. So that's what he said right away. And 911 said, okay, what kind of accident has she had?

Let's get back to your wife rather than I need an escort. So he said, I found her in a workout room with bars on top of her. And he said, she's I found her in a workout room with bars on top of her. And he said, she's blue. She's not breathing. And that's what he's telling them. So he wanted a police escort and they said, well, where is she? She's in the back of my pickup truck, basically in the back in the cab part.

Yeah. Like not with my nail guns in the bed, not with the, not with the cord of wood. If he just threw her in the bed, Not with the cord of wood for the winter. If he just threw her in the bed, that would have been wild. Throw a tarp over and keep warm. We're right. Yeah. And he said at the time when the cops got to him,

he said, I probably should have called 911 earlier. But at the time, I just didn't. Whatever, I just panicked. I picked her up and carried her upstairs and threw her in my truck. Didn't even think about it. He said, as I was backing out of the driveway I called 911 and I was on the road when I was talking to you so a few minutes after he calls an ambulance and a police officer intercept his truck en route to the hospital and you can watch the footage of this

too he pulls over hops out of the car like opens the extended cab door, and he's like, hey, help out here. Lisa is placed in the ambulance and taken to the hospital. Okay, now Scott says, I had my flashers on and during that period I was turning the corner and my wife was in the back seat and she fell onto the floor. This poor woman is back there laying across those seats and she's tum-poof on the floor. This poor woman is back there on the laying across those seats and she's tum-poof on the floor. So he said it's hard to drive and pay

attention to and and it's quote hard to drive and respect the body. Not a good thing to say. The body. Yeah. Not my wife. My wife's the body That's wild and said when he saw the ambulance he rolled down his window and pulled over to the curb And I guess so we don't have any fucking idea here But he tells the paramedics the paramedics start trying to perform CPR on her right away He tells the paramedics. I don't bother with CPR. I already tried Do you oh don't bother? Yeah, all right tried and fucking failed. Don't worry about it

Hi, I'm the best and it didn't work. It didn't work. You guys. Yeah, I know how to do it. So it's fine What are you fucking talking about to not don't even bother is crazy a lot of bad things just She's fucked, man. Just let it go. Are you nuts? What the hell is wrong with you? Obviously they're going to try to save this poor woman's life. Jesus Christ.

Grant County Sheriff's Department medical personnel place her in an ambulance. They take her to Marion General Hospital. She arrives at 1244. It's a half hour after that 911 call is made. Resuscitation efforts continue, but she is pronounced dead at 1249 PM. Five minutes later. That's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. They said the medical personnel couldn't find a pulse on her from

the time they retrieved her from the truck. They said she didn't have a pulse the entire time. It was half an hour without a pulse probably. They said she had already been down too long at that point, one doctor said. There was nothing we could do to save her. She was pronounced dead. The crime scene, one of the state investigators here found a bruise on her neck and an abrasion on her left shoulder.

And they said that, I'll tell you what his story is in a minute here, but he said it looked like she died from a tragic accident. That's what they thought. It looked just awful. Now at the hospital, Scott, by the way, we said he's been saying some weird shit. He continues to really. Boy. Did you watch all the worst interrogations and worst? Yeah, he's like, hmm, that guy. See that's the problem here. He's not saying enough. He really needs to talk more.

I saw a compilation of terrible things to say and I'm going to say them all. I'm going to say them all right now. Jesus. So Lisa's mother Lucy, fuck man, she said Scott called her at home from the hospital and told her to come to Marion General Hospital he just said come to Marion General Hospital she said why obviously yeah he said quote they just pronounced your daughter dead Jesus Christ man. Fuck man. That is... Wow. They were just messing with the body you might as well have said like they just pronounce your daughter dead That's why come to the hospital why cuz I just pronounced your daughter dead

She said she was like what the fuck she said what happened and he just hung up on her He didn't even answer as a father somebody said I'm gonna beat the li- I don't care about- I'm beating the living shit out of you. You better be able to do Jean-Claude Van Damme moves cuz I'm coming for you. You better be able to do split kicks cuz I'm gonna fuck you up. You don't break that news to me like that. How dare you? Absolutely not. That is wild. They just pronounced your daughter dead. You motherfucker. Well, I'm gonna take something out. Wow, yeah, Jesus. Now the family right away, they're like,

what the fuck, because she's in her prime of her life. She's 72, she was born, she's 37 for Christ's sake. I mean, she's doing fine. You rarely get pronounced dead at 37. Yeah, unless something crazy happens. She's in good health too. get pronounced dead at 37. Yeah, unless something crazy happens. She's in good health too. Her death was categorized as unattended at the time, so the police had to look at it

before they could rule it an accident. People don't realize this, but any time there's a dead body, the homicide police are the first people to look it over before they have to judge it. It's not a homicide before anything else can be done. So if you kill yourself and it's obviously a suicide, if you're an old man who hasn't talked to anyone in 20 years and you blow your brains out in there in the apartment, homicide detectives will make sure nobody killed you first. So that's a thing that happens always. So they have to look it over but they they said it what could it be? They said she was home

alone working out, and her husband comes home from lunch and finds her in the basement with the weight bar from the weight machine across her throat, dead. That's his story. They said, yeah, I came home, there she was. You know, what are you gonna do? And they do a little investigating

and they start looking into this and it's kind of interesting here. They said, the one detective told the other, I got a case we need to work on. I want you to help me out here. It's a woman here. She worked at the local mall and her friends and family are... I don't know. Something's a little weird here. So they bring Scott aside in the ambulance bay and get a little recorded statement from

him. He explained what happened. He said he came home from work at lunch to shower. He wanted to shower and eat lunch before an afternoon doctor's appointment for his bad aching back. Yeah, and you don't roof and then go take your shirt off for somebody to look at you. No, you're going to be disgusting. Oh, you're an asshole for that.

Yeah. So he's smart for doing that. And Lisa had taken the day off today and she was, you know going to be disgusting. So he's smart for doing that. And Lisa had taken the day off today and she was hanging out. He said, that's when I saw this was going back. He said he saw her, he said he lifted the weight off of her and started CPR. So he lifted up the bar off of her. The bar had 104 pounds on it, by the way. So it's 100 pounds plus the small bar.

So 104 pounds, and he said that he'd been trained in CPR, but he couldn't revive her. That's what happened. So the cop said, I mean, they have to take it at face value at this point. The husband said he found her at home, barbell across her throat. The injuries that we see, the bruising across her, seems consistent with that, looks like

it. He said, maybe. So they said, it looks like a fucking terrible accident. They said, let's do some cleanup paperwork basically and then move on to the next thing. So they didn't though. They said, let's bring him down for an interview too. We want to talk to him. And they do a physical check of him.

No injuries on his face, arms or hands. No scratches No bruises. No Obvious defensive somebody fighting him off or anything like that. That's a good sign Right away that he's innocent here. They go through the house with a camcorder. They say it's in pristine condition No messes except for probably Dylan's room, obviously Don't go in there smells like a like onions. Don't go in there, it smells like a teenager's ball sack. You don't want that. So none of that going on.

They said no forced entry whatsoever. So it just looks like it is what it is. So they say, all right, what are you doing here? They photograph Scott. They find nothing under his shirt. No bruises, no marks, no anything like that. They sit him down.

Yeah, that weight bench is about to have a giant fucking lawsuit. A big lawsuit and a huge disclaimer sticker on it there. You betcha. They're going to lose more money. Yeah, you're about to have to saw a tag off of that machine every time you buy it. They're going to lose more money than the Peloton CEO. I read an article there that he went from having billions of dollars to selling his watches now.

He's having a terrible time. Had to sell his house and shit. It's crazy. That's amazing. Talking of the interview with that guy too, he was like, then that sex in the city thing happened and it was just, it was- All over from there. That was it, man.

It was over. So they said that he, Scott tells the sheriffs here that the morning of the death, he got up just before 5 a.m., kissed Lisa goodbye and ran to the landfill before returning home at about 6.30 a.m. to pick up Dylan and another employee for work. So Dylan works with him now. So he picks up Dylan and picks, because it it's July picks up Dylan, picks up somebody else and they head out the three of them to the job site. Scott said that later that morning he ran a few errands before returning home in about 1130 a.m. He said he couldn't find Lisa. So he went downstairs and that's when he saw the horrible sight of his wife. He said quote, she was purple. She was totally

purple and her arms were dropped down to her side. Now the cop said that he was really, really troubled by the fact that he told 911 not to send the ambulance because he already gave her CPR and not to try CPR on her because what's the point? I said that's really weird because people will take fucking old dirty bastard documentary I just watched, okay? He died in the recording studio, died on the fucking floor. Did he really? In front of everybody, in front of most of the Wu-Tang Clan and other people and his daughter and his wife, everybody came.

Really? And his wife was trying to fucking get him to wake up and he'd been dead for a fucking hour there and they're like he's cold it's over and she's like no I just need to get him to wake up that's what people do when someone they love is they don't believe it that we can we can fix it we can fix it we can fix denial it's the first grief there's 108 different names keep saying them until he answers to one just keep saying it call him a son maybe that'll work I don't fucking know call him dirt dog that's the dirt dog try that yeah that'll work dirt McGirt try that one he likes that one for a

while I don't know run dirt dirt anything you don't anything all them anything talk about gonorrhea he likedorrhea, he talked about it all the time. So yeah, they're a little bit weirded out by this and they go through it a few times. He said, yeah, found her down in the exercise room. Said he came home at 1130, entered the house at 1145, saw her in the room and then he also told Dylan outside after he talked to the cops that he got home between 1130 and 1145. So in all of his stories to three different cops and the kid, that's all consistent.

It stays the same. It stays the same, which that's good here. He said, yeah, I just found her, the weight bar across her throat and the machine is, I'm going to read the description, consists of a bar on which weights can be placed with the system of guide bars along which a weight bar could be lifted up and down. So you put the weight on it and you... Okay, but it's got a track? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, because it goes, yeah. So they said the weight bar could be locked into place at several points

along the guide bars. A person could use the machine while standing or lying on a bench under the weight bar. There's different ways to use it. It's a machine. So he said he administered CPR. That didn't help. So he put Lisa in the truck, drove to the hospital, called 911. About the machine, they said, is this, did she work out on this all the time or was this a new thing for her? And he said that she used it millions of times before millions.

She's very well aware how to use this. Yeah into it into it. Now a detective said they found the weightlifting machine was set at 140 pounds. I don't know why I said 104, 140 pounds and Scott told him that 140 pounds was quote probably about the maximum that she's done. She's really maxing out. She's really ripping it off today. Yeah. So he said that he and Lisa, as I said, is your marriage great? Blah blah blah. I said, no, we're having marital problems because I had an affair.

He said that he also filed for divorce and he said though, but that isn't really happening and we're trying to reconcile. We've been trying to reconcile lately, me and Lisa. So he said, I ended the affair because I didn't want to be with that woman anymore. I wanted to be with my wife and you know, have a wonderful, wonderful time. But he refused to provide Stacey Henderson's name to the police, by the way. They're like, well, we have an affair. That's not important. He said, I don't want to ruin her life. He said, I don't want to ruin her life. She's got stuff going on.

I'm not going to tell you. You know why. Yeah. Because her husband, you know her husband. I'm not telling you. You're going to know her husband. Yeah. And he's probably going to come in here and beat the shit out of me after that.

So I don't know if he knows. That's the thing. We don't know if Lisa told the husband or what. So we have no fucking idea. I do know that Stacey's husband has what. So we had no fucking idea. And I do know that Stacy's husband has a gun and he carries it a lot. I'm positive that Stacy's husband is armed. Pretty fucking positive.

He also told a person from whom he was purchasing roofing supplies, by the way. Later on, when he leaves, he told a person who he bought roofing supplies from that he thought he and Stacey would be together someday. Oh boy. So yeah through all of this she'll keep communicating with him by the way, Stacey. Really? So detectives search the house they go into the house they search it in the garage like I said no forced entry nothing going on in the garage. They said, like I said, no forced entry, nothing going on. In the garage, they notice a surveillance system.

Oh, that's great. That helps. That was connected to cameras mounted outside the house. The recording system had a slot for a DVD, so they're like, hey, jackpot. Bingo. Open the thing, no DVD in there. Empty.

Of course it is. So they go, fuck. So they figured without the DVD, it probably didn't record anything. These people probably had more ambition to have security than when it comes down to actually changing a DVD out every day. They didn't want to do it, probably. You know what I mean?

Because that's probably very common. A lot of people, how many people have security systems that they never arm? And in 2008, the storing to the cloud wasn't a thing No, you had to have something well placed to record right? Yeah It was probably the border of it, but yeah, it would have been new recording Securely not that was a crazy expensive. Yes exactly outlandishly like, you know for a business or something So it wasn't $30 a month that you could download it and look at it on your phone. That's for sure. No, not like now.

No, not like you can get the wonderful SimpliSafe system that we do ads for, and the fucking SimpliSafe is great. They send us really good shit. They talked to Dylan, and they say that, I guess, his mother and Scott told him they were gonna work through their problems. So he said the same thing. They told me they were working through their problems but he said he didn't believe them because the house was up for sale and all the fucking photos were put away. So that didn't seem right. Now he says that day because they said well you were working

with your stepfather that day right? Well what happened? And he said well yeah I we left to go to the site in Swayze that day and right? Well, what happened? And he said, well, yeah, I, I, we left to go to the, the site in Swayze that day. And he said that Scott was at the site for a short period of time before he left, which Scott said he ran errands and then went home at lunchtime. Dylan said that he and some of his coworkers took a break and went to a restaurant where Scott's sister Sharon worked. Okay? When Dylan came out of the restroom at the restaurant, one of the workers informed him that the sister, Scott's sister, had run out of the restaurant

and instructed him to have Dylan call Scott. When he, tell Dylan when he comes out of the bathroom to call Scott, okay? So he called Scott and he was told to go to the Marion General Hospital, but he wouldn't say why. Dylan said he did seem a little upset, which that should be an understatement, but yeah. When he arrived at the hospital, that's when Dylan said he found out that his mother was

dead. So he came from roofing to that. And he said, I fell to my knees. I was lost. I was so confused. He just didn't know. They asked Dylan, well, did your mom use that machine a lot? And he said, I saw her use it once.

Oh. I only saw her use it once. And that was when Scott was spotting her too. Oh. Like Scott was helping her with it and spotting her. So he said that she preferred to work out with small hand weights while she used a treadmill or step machine. Aerobic shit.

Aerobic shit. Cardio. That's what she's doing. She's not trying to fucking... I'm bulking. She's dropping. They said, you think your mom could bench 140? And he was like, fuck no, my mom can't bench 140.

Shit no. I'm a roofer and I can't rent bench 140, he's probably saying. So he said that, quote, she wasn't like a woman that could bench like 35 pounds on each side. Like she couldn't do that. She used like five pound hand weights and she's not a big bulky person. She's just not. She's pretty small. Now, the police send over an inspector to somebody to inspect the machine and determine what happened, basically, is this possible to find out. So they determined that this machine had not seen a lot of use based on the different components of it.

And judging by the lack of wear and tear, and they also said the machine had no mechanical failures that he could detect at all. They said she was apparently lifting this weight and the coroner said that she has no medical issues and they said she's in fairly good condition. So it doesn't make a lot of sense. The police officer learned that Lisa had been working out on a Smith machine, that's what this weight machine is, which uses a barbell fix to steal railings It's used to help control the weight and offer built-in safety features like hooking the bar into specially designed spots along the frame Yeah, all you gotta do is roll it and it locks in. So it doesn't go too far. Yeah They did note that two safety stoppers which would have provided extra protection were not in place in there. Oh, no

That's not good. But even without the extra safety features they said that it seemed like Lisa should have been able to wiggle free from under the bar if she got stuck. At least slide out sideways and fall on the fucking floor. So they said they should have been able to do that. They said when they laid down, when they did all of this, they noticed two things right away. When the detective laid down on the bench as it was set up the bar lined up with his chest, the correct alignment for lifting, but not his neck. Oh no, I'm sorry, it didn't line up with his chest, it lined up with his neck. Oh. He said, so that's weird. They said if you complete the lift it would align with the body in this fashion, the bar on the throat that matched there. That's which matched his story exactly, by the way, because that's what he said.

So the investigator also made a note of a circular smudge on the center of the bar itself. It had that spot had been left by Lisa's neck. And he said it looked like body oil or perhaps sweat sweat on it. So they said that was in contact with her at some point. So they said, did they think that was the part of the bar that made contact? And he said the cops said it appeared that to be that that's what it did and that that fit with the husband's account too. He said when investigator Page tried the machine, it seemed to be in working order, he couldn't make it fail accidentally. Once in use, the bar fell fairly easily to re-rack and secure using a hook in the holes along the frame.

They said as you complete your repetitions, once you're complete, you rotate your wrists and these hooks engage. They said maybe something important is the safety stoppers, which would have been had extra protection, they rest, they were just sitting there not being in place. That's not good. They said when you're engaged, it's, you know, it's much safer. They said if they're not in place, you don't have that protection, no safety stops. So if the bar had slipped while in use, it could have plummeted under her neck with a

lot of force, with 140 pounds worth of force, if her hand slipped off it. It would have slipped her fucking neck. And crushed her throat. So they said, this will make it fall down like a guillotine, theoretically. They said it could be a fatal accident, and the cop said, oh yeah, I would certainly consider it fatal if 140 pounds on a bar falls across your throat. And they said it might just be exactly that.

They said nothing screams anything but accident at this point. They said nothing. The only accident at this point. They said nothing. The only thing we have is we have to wait for the medical examiner. Maybe he'll have other thoughts. But at this point, it looks pretty fucking accidental to me, you know? It's all storylines up. So the day after Lisa dies, the next fucking day, Scott calls Lisa's sister Christine to ask about the life insurance policy. Yeah.

24 hours. He was, the way she put it, Christine, he was stunned to learn that Lisa had named Dylan her sole beneficiary. He didn't know. So on the same... Yeah, yeah, there is one. Your name's not on it. Yeah, yeah.

It's not... Oh yeah, she has a policy, but not for you. On the same day he texted Stacey Henderson and asked about Henderson's husband and said, so is he trying to get closer to you since I'm free now? Free now! And then he said, that's a sick way to say it, I guess. You guess? And then he and then he said that's a sick way to say it I guess Think you think dude Wow, I think I'm much sicker that is fucking sick and then in the next couple days He's gonna ask Scott's gonna ask for guardianship over Dylan. Oh because he's got the fucking money I yeah, that's exactly he's got 450 grand coming to him. A judge agreed to

allow Dylan to decide where he wants to live since he'll be 18 in a week and a half. Possibly the worst news that Scott's ever heard in his life. Terrible. All fucking one blow after another here. I've got nine days to make this kid love me. This is a movie. Maybe he'll choose me. Yeah, it is, nine days till the kid gets his fucking inheritance. He chose to move to Virginia to live with his aunt and uncle. Yeah, of course he did.

And he wanted to finish high school though with his friends, but he started his senior year in Virginia instead. He said it was the hardest decision of my life. Okay, now friends and family are not buying this accident shit at all. They question whether or why Lisa would have been on the weight bench and considering she always did cardio when working out, not weight lifting because she suffered a neck injury a couple years earlier and it made it very difficult for her to lift heavy objects.

Yeah, yeah, that nerve damage will fuck your life up, man. Fucks everything up. So they said, why was she doing that? Her sister said that, yeah, Lisa liked to work out, but she was, quote, a treadmill girl, not a weight lifter, or a cardio. She was doing treadmill, doing more aerobic stuff. And Leah said the same thing.

Leah said Lisa couldn't lift heavy things, not with a neck injury she suffered a couple years earlier in a car accident. So So this is crazy. She goes on to say even the holiday ornaments in the mall storage room were too much for her to lift Oh My god, that's damning. She said I did the lifting of the boxes the other woman. So she said yeah, I did all that I'm I'm like the weight machine. She I like the weight machine. She doesn't lift weights. Right. So they also sister and friends said they thought Scott was a self centered and too hard on Dylan. And, um, also then they found out he was having an affair and they liked

him even least and even less. So kind of a dick, kind of a dick. They talked to Jerry young who's Lisa's father, who now lives in New Mexico. And he said, many people are suffering the loss of his daughter. He said the family supports the investigators and whatever they need. He said, we are as a family behind the pro behind prosecuting the person who did this, if it was anybody. He said, he doesn't know though. He said, the worst part of this whole thing is not knowing. It's so maddening and it's so sad. Somebody or something took her life for whatever reason and we have to sit here and wait.

We want closure. Now first thing that comes up is was it the weight loss drugs that did this? Because they find out, the cops find out a Dr. Roger Frazier who practiced in Hartford City which I didn't know was a town in Indiana. God damn it, I know way too many Indiana towns. He said he got a, he prescribed a capsule and a tablet to Lisa to suppress her appetite. Oh. He, Lisa had been seeing this doctor for weight loss since about 2002, and he said between July 2002 and July 2009, she had visited his office 12 times to get weight loss pills.

He said he was unaware if Lisa was getting diet pills from any other doctor and he also didn't know of any side effects she was having from the drugs. The drug she's taking is Fentermine, P-H-E-N-T-E-R-M-I-N-E. People mostly call it Fentermine. They don't put an N in there. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, that's in there though It's used with doctor approved exercise behavior change and reduced calorie diet program to help you lose weight It's used by certain overweight people such as those who are obese and have weight related medical problems, which she doesn't it's an aggressive

That's a lot. Yeah, it's unweighted woman. Is that like non-kill-you-fen-fen? Is that what that is? Because it's got the P-H-E-N. So I think that's what I figure. They said here it can help lessen the risks of obesity, heart disease, all that. They said it's not known how this medication helps people to lose weight. It may work by decreasing your appetite, increasing the amount of energy used by your body, or affecting certain parts of the brain. It's an appetite suppressant. So there we go.

So they're waiting for the medical examiner is all they're doing here. Wabash County Sheriff Leroy Stryker, which is a great, Jesus, Stryker is the guy from Airplane. That's Ted Stryker, Leroy Striker. He says that he's waiting. He said, we're still following up and investigating and trying to tie up loose ends.

He said, right now we don't want to speculate. We don't want to make assumptions as to the investigation. He said, we just, well, by the way, they just followed up and have search warrants for Scott's phone records, computer records, and all that stuff. He said, we just want to make sure we leave no stone unturned in our investigation.

He said these types of things take time. He said we're working hard to prove that either foul play was involved or foul play wasn't involved. Right. That's it. Just trying to get it on there. The results of the toxicology test showed that maybe that'll help as well here. So the Grant County coroner has an issue to cause of death yet and he says, quote, I'm

not rushing into it. No fucking get it done, dude. What are you doing? I got some things to do. I got other stuff. I got a vacation ahead of me. So I'm not going to release it until I'm confident that everything's been done. He said I want that final autopsy report in my hand before I do anything further. Okay.

Now, the cops find out something else very interesting. Detective Michael Davis, same cop from before, states that he found out that in 2001, the Wabash County Sheriff's Department received a report from somebody who called to tell on Scott that Scott had approached them and approached other people looking for a person to kill Lisa. Oh, Scott. That is eight years ago that happened. So this has been in his mind for a bit here, apparently. Nearly a decade.

Yeah, they said that the report is eight years old and you know, you can't just arrest a guy on that. That's just too stale. But murder shopping is crazy. Who the fuck does that? You know what I mean? So apparently you couldn't find anybody. This, an affidavit also by Leah Frazier here

said that Frazier told, Leah told the cop that Lisa had told Leah six to eight months ago that Lisa had put an internet tracking software on Scott's computer because he'd been having an affair. She related as of January 2009, the program was still on his computer and so that might be possible too. So she knows what he was doing.

Wow. Finally, Medical Examiner comes back. So, you know that might be possible too. So she knows what he was doing Wow Finally medical examiner comes back Okay Lisa's body had bruising near her neck and cuts and scrapes along the bridge of her nose and on her left shoulder They said those likely happened when she was still alive because there were signs of bleeding and bleeding only happens when the heart is still pumping Obviously, so he said that the barbell may have injured her jugular vein, which is located on either side of the neck and helps carry blood from the brain to the heart. If the blood supply from the jugular to the heart is cut off, a person will black out,

obviously, and eventually die. So depending on how long a person can hold their breath, blacking out could come between 15 seconds and two minutes of the jugular being injured. They said her cause of death was asphyxiation due to neck compression. That's important. Compression, not a slam. They said she also had signs of petechia, which is not good. Suffocating, right.

Suffocating. She. Suffocating. She's alive and struggling. Small purple or red marks on various parts of her body. Yeah. It is here. They questioned whether that would happen if a, because they said, what if a 240 pound person sat on her stomach?

Would that cause that in the back in there? And he said, the more weight, the more potential for patikia. Well, we have to strangle somebody to find out. That's it. Well, hey, come on up. Who wants to volunteer? Where's the intern?

So he also said that patikia had to develop while she's still alive. Her heart has to be beating. Patikia themselves are formed, patikiae themselves are formed when someone is alive. The toxicology report shows she had signs of an anti-depressant and a weight loss drug in her system, levels of both in the therapeutic range. They said drugs didn't contribute to Lisa Pattinson's death. So they came up with an additional finding that is the Patikiai all the way down. she had that. Then also they said what appeared to be bruises all the way, and like her back and her ribs

and shit like that, which is interesting. In addition to that, they determined that she'd been dead for two to three hours when she was pronounced dead at the hospital as well. That's a good reason to tell them don't even bother. Don't even bother, yeah, he would have said she's ice cold and rigor setting Super dead so they noticed that they noted that the neck injury was not

consistent with the weight bar falling on her neck at a high rate of speed because her larynx or larynx Trachea and voice box had been compressed but not crushed all intact They said if 140 pound came down like a guillotine, that would have broken those things. They said that the in to in his opinion, the weight bar could not have fallen more than an inch or two without resulting in far greater injuries than were present. So ridiculous. They also said that his death her death was caused by asphyxiation due to compression of the weight on her neck and noted the presence of petechia or ruptured blood vessels caused by pressure on her back

and concluded that that was not caused by the weight bar either. Instead, the petechia were consistent with a person straddling Lisa's torso or with a great weight being placed on her torso. That is fucked up. Fucked to sit on her chest and push the weight bar over her. Staring right in her fucking eyes. Right in her fucking eyes. My God. So they said she had been, he said, I believe she died before 10am.

Now as part of the investigation, the medical examiner asked police to investigate the weight machine being used and he went on to say, I felt a healthy woman should have been able to get out of a weight machine with 100 pounds of weight on her. And then they said he was even more suspicious, the cop said, after learning there were at least seven ways to escape the weight on the machine. Different ways you can get out. Anywhere basically put down your chin. You can roll up it, you can roll it.

So it's on your chest instead of that. You can slide to the side. There are seven ways to get out because Smith doesn't want lawsuits. So yeah, reactions to her death here obviously. Leah Frazier is very upset. She says it was a great loss to a lot of people at the mall too,

in addition to just her. July 15, 2009, the police get a very interesting phone call. An employee of Coorsen, K-O-O-R-S-E-N, the company that installed the surveillance system at the Paterson home, called the cops, called the detectives and said that the system recorded to an internal hard drive actually and that the DVD slot was used only to transfer a recording from the hard drive to a DVD. So you only needed that if you wanted to make a DVD of what you had. He didn't know. No, somebody didn't know. Well, he does because well, they get a search warrant for the surveillance system, sees that from the house here.

Now the recording that they find, which is interesting, we'll find out some shit about the recording as well, it showed he returned home several hours prior to the time he told police. The surveillance video shows him returning home at 8. a.m. as a matter of fact the cameras also recorded him entering and exiting the house walking around outside of the house at 956 1003 1007 and 1138 She's dead all through those oh by the way

walking around He's dead all through those, by the way. Walking around, whatever, talking on the phone especially. The video, by the way, shows him wearing shorts at one point and pants at another point. He changes clothes in there too. In addition, the phone records indicate that several calls he made between 9.57 and 12.14 PM were at or near his house as well Then they find out about the texts then the texts come in The day Lisa died he sent. Let's see he and Stacey exchanged What is it a hundred and thirty text messages?

That day that affair is a bubbling Wow 130 back and fucking forth including yeah a Three-letter text which they won't know I can't ever find out what the three letters are But he sent her a three-letter text while he was in the car waiting for the ambulance to come With the cops on the law. What do you want to bet? It's one four three So holy shit they Reveal that on that day. They had but Stacey was on vacation that day, by the way She was away on vacation her husband's like sitting next to her on a beach and she's trying to act normal Oh, my boyfriend killed his wife and she's in a fucking back of a truck and he texted me. I'll why

Yeah, probably so his wife and she's in the fucking back of the truck and he texts me ILY yeah probably so they said on the timeline you can see that not only by the way Stacey's the person on the receiving end of the 10 a.m. call when he's walking around outside his house too yep and but she's also getting text messages from him saying that he's at the wheel while he's at the wheel driving his dead wife to the hospital. So they don't like any of this shit. No.

July 22nd, 2009, court dismisses a divorce petition, because you can't divorce a dead person. That's there. So September 23rd, a grand jury is called as a fact finding. Let's find out what happened. Scott is called to testify. He's the target here.

He invokes his right not to testify though, takes the fifth in the grand jury. By the way- In the death of your wife? The local newspaper has it, quote, he revokes his right not to testify, which is definitely not wrong, or not correct. That is so bad. Wow.

So September 28th, five days later, Scott is indicted by the grand jury and arrested and charged with murder. Yeah. Yeah, now the similarities between Scott Peterson and Scott Patterson, including wives with L word wives, Lacey Lisa, the same. It's fucking remarkable. They're all like this.

It's fucking crazy, honestly. And there's so many people that think this Scott is innocent as fuck just like that Scott. Really? People it's called this, the cops homicide detectives called the CSI effect. Yeah. Where people because of TV now, they go into a courtroom. They've been watching TV the whole time. They expect to see appears the whole time. They expect

to see, here's the murder weapon, here's fingerprints on it, they expect to see we have DNA, it's here, DNA's there, he's got his jizz on that, on that. If you don't have DNA and all this physical evidence, people are like, oh well he's innocent, clearly. Everybody licks the crime scene. Yeah, who doesn't fucking leave jizz at the crime scene? So not guilty, he pleads here and a trial date is set for the next year. And this is, you're going to wonder why I'm telling you this, but you'll know in about two seconds. Jerry Druck is going to represent Scott Peterson. He's an attorney. Okay. Or Scott Patterson. See, I'm calling him Peterson now. December 1st, 2009, month and a half

later, Jerry Druck is charged with two counts of trafficking with an inmate. What? After police say he took this, and this is fucking amazing, to Scott, he took him gum, gummy worms and mail. Why is he asking for that? Trafficking with an inmate. Trafficking gummy worms. He trafficked gummy worms. Some gummy worms. I took gummy worms in the wrong place, man. You know how that goes. Are they weed gummies?

No! They're just gummy worms. Regular ass gummy worms? Gum? Trident, fucking Haribo and his mail. You're going to jail and his water cherry Cherry's going to jail Wow They put a motion to suppress Requesting that video surveillance from the home not be shown during the trial

You know the evidence that says he was a lying to that he was lying to the cops and actually home While his wife was dead what grounds would they have not to introduce that? That's the thing. Well, they say that the prosecutor says that, you know, obviously we should be allowed, but they're saying they shouldn't be allowed because the way the guy, we'll talk about it in more detail later, but the way the employee of the company called the cops, apparently they're saying that that was some sort of hearsay. It's a real technical fucking thing here. The defense attorneys filed a motion to suppress

because they said the search warrant was based on uncorroborated hearsay information and that the video equipment was illegally seized. Oh, yeah. They the judge hears about all this stuff and then says, get the fuck out of here with that. Obviously we're showing the video. It wasn't illegally seized, they produced it and gave it to us. That's, yeah. It's not like a cop went into a, broke into a building, fucking Mission Impossible style.

No. Ripped out. Reported him. Yeah, pulled a fucking DVD out of a library wall. No, nothing. They called and said, hey, I got to murder a murdering people. You guys want this? You guys want, you might want this, I think, here.

So July 17th, 2010, there is a tree and a bench dedicated to Lisa at the Five Points Mall. So it's nice. You can see it here. It's even got a picture of her on it. Lisa Young-Pattison, and it's got a picture of her on there. And it's very nice. There's a tree behind, nice bench.

Many, many, many 57 year old men will sit there while their wives shop. That's how that's gonna work. Or sit there while their wives walk around the mall listening to Frank Sinatra on their Walkman. Walk, yeah, I'm not a wall walker, I'm not doing it. So they set a bench with her photo and words, Lisa Young-Pattison forever in our hearts

will be dedicated in the mall along with trees and flowers. And they said that she had, this is her sister, she had such a beautiful smile and funny laugh, a great laugh, she just made her happy. She just made you happy. Is that indoors or outdoors? Indoors, indoors. Oh, an indoor tree, I fucking love an indoor tree.

Oh yeah, that's some mall shit right there. Pinnacle of fucking dominating nature. Pissing on nature, yeah. Well, air condition a fucking oak. Watch this. Don't give a shit. Yeah, no shit. They said a fund will be set up in Paterson's memory to help with community projects.

It's called Lisa's Giving Smiles Foundation. And artwork will be sold to raise funds for yet to be named community projects. It's called Lisa's Giving Smiles Foundation. And artwork will be sold to raise funds for yet to be named community projects here. So yeah, her mother said, I just know Lisa was thought was thought of it. I just know Lisa was so thought of in this community, but I didn't know how much. So that's nice. Scott wants to change a venue. He's like, all these trees and benches being put up. I feel like I can't Feel like I'm not gonna get treated fairly here. Yeah, they're doing back-to-school shopping around the tree. Yeah, my wife's honor I can't do and then and then coming in for jury duty the next day. This is not good

The judge denies the change of venue says nope, we're good here. I think yeah denies the change of venue. Says, nope, we're good here, I think. Yeah, that's okay. You're already outfitted with zoomies. So as Scott's leaving the courtroom here, because he's out on pond or whatever, they say, do you have anything to say? And he says, not at this time. They say, did you kill Lisa? And he says, no, I did not. Which is the lack of contractions that we knew he was gonna say. He said, how can you prove you're innocent? And he said, time will tell. I cannot.

I cannot. The judge puts an order in saying that Scott isn't allowed to have any direct or indirect contact with anybody but his attorneys during the trial. He's not allowed to talk to his family at all because a lot of them are witnesses. So not allowed to talk to anybody until the court tells him that he can once everybody's been already testified. Now there's a juror who gives an insanely in-depth interview

after this fucking deeper and other than jurors that write books, you never hear this much about the jury process and I just found this interesting so I'm going to put some of this in the beginning and then some at the end here. So they said jury members were restricted from cell phone use as well as reading about the case in the newspaper or watching coverage on television which is pretty standard. The jurors said we could do no research on the case at all, which I did not.

Don't look on the internet to look up the case or follow the case, they said. He said following the guidelines wasn't easy, but he did it. He said I wasn't a big news follower in the beginning, but once you get chosen, it's like, well, you can't have candy. Well now you want candy. I can't look at that. Why not? He said, so you're not allowed to have the news,

but now you want the news. I followed the guidelines 100%. I didn't wanna have to stand in front of a judge and have him say, Mr. Wampler, you caused a mistrial because you heard something on the news. Yeah. Yeah. So his defense, okay.

Here we go, Stanley Campbell is his attorney here. They are gonna start with saying that the affair with Stacey wasn't as big a deal as the prosecution is going to make it out to be. Not a big deal. He's like, that was just, he had a little affair and it was over and he was still talking, but so what? He was still, he loved his wife. So that's, don't even get that in your head.

Don't get it twisted. Which is the same as Scott Peterson going. He was just having a little fling with Amber and there was no, it's the same thing. He texted her a hundred and something times. A hundred thirty times. In the day she died. I haven't texted anybody that many times ever. Do you think Scott Peterson texted Amber Fry a hundred thirty times the day Lacey went

missing? Probably not. I bet he didn't. No. I bet he fucking didn't here. So they also point to the weightlifting machine's bench may have been inadvertently positioned so that the bar came down on her neck rather than her chest. That's also part of the defense. Also that Lisa may have inadvertently

overdosed on her prescription medications, which could have caused a cardiac problem that accidentally resulted in her dropping the weight bar and haven't fallen They said there's no evidence that he was thinking about killing his wife or that he was going to kill his wife for just for Stacy for another woman. There's no evidence about that. What about the All the text messages they said quote just routine chit chat messages. They said quote, just routine chit chat. Routine chit chat. That's all it was. 130 times. You know, that's how it works. They said in the, and the text while she was driving to the hospital quote, simply Scott's way of signaling to someone that you love

that he was under duress. That's all. Just letting you know, I'm in I'm in a bad spot here He said the phone call was more of the same just checking in on each other How's your day so far my day so so far is okay and yeah How's yours going your husband's still alive well darn though you had it though we had some The defense team said the police never understood the difficulty out of getting out of the weight machine's grip. They had a state trooper in court. They said sure he could wriggle out from beneath 105 pounds, but he's someone who's used to working out with weights, so he would know how to do it.

They said her she wasn't as used to it and maybe she was overtired or disoriented. You know, plus accidental asphyxiation isn't unheard of with these types of machines because there's a case in Iowa of a young boy who was doing the similar thing at home and suffocated under the bar, exact same way happened last year. So I mean, hey, I mean, sure, that was an eight-year-old and this is a grown woman, but same thing. They also said, the defense said, no DNA was taken either from the scene, from no fingerprints, they didn't process shit.

They said, what about that? Investigators also never tested the fluid found on the bench. And they said that was part of their ploy to make the investigation and the investigators, they're trying to make them look like they did like shit here. They said, yeah, DNA probably should have been taken, but the prosecutor said even if

Scott's DNA had been found, it wouldn't mean shit because they lived in the home and he also used the equipment. But the defense is also that could have been someone else did that to her and you don't have their DNA, her fingerprints, because he never checked for it. You said that guy's, it's his, him that did it and no one else and so we're not checking anything and he said there could have been somebody that broke in and did this. That's fun for the for the defense that they can just it's fun why we speculate. Well yeah they have to. They have to that's their job. It's fun. It is. They said there was never an argument in which it was

suggested that anyone else was to blame for her death though and he's the defense is like why not maybe there should be sure you know maybe if the cops did their job we would look at other people so they said basically it was either Scott did it by allowing the bar to fall down on her and then pushing it down crushing her airway or it was an accident that's what the prosecution says one of the two that's what there is no third option they do the bench demonstration where they have a cop show and there's pictures of him doing it that Lisa should have been able to wriggle out from under the bars given that she was in good health. And, you know, they said the way that it thumped down and it didn't break her bone. So if it didn't fall, she would have been under it.

She's still mobile. Yeah. Yeah. So he said that they were showing the guy and he said, you know, you just have to kind of expand this and move under here. And they said, then you're out of trouble. And he said, yeah, that's all they said. Or she could have used her shoulder to shimmy out to the side, or you could wriggle out from under there the other way. They said, but if someone had been struggling, if she had been struggling and someone had been sitting on her chest and preventing her from re-racking the bar, then you're in a bad way. He said, you know, then it'll come down bad. Now Dylan testifies here. Let's get Dylan McCoy on the stand here. They had to put out an extra box just for

his penis, an extra juror box, or an extra witness box. He wore a duster like a cowboy and so did his penis. He came in, two dusters. Well, two big 10 gallon hats he had, one on each head. You betcha. So he said, he told the jurors he only saw his mother use the weight bench once in his lifetime. He said that, you know, during all of this, he said that, you know, he was freaked out when he found his mother was deceased with a weight bar. He said his mother

worked out on the treadmill or the step machine. She used five pound dumbbells, all the stuff we talked about. He said the only time she'd use the bench press machine was when Scott was there to assist her. I've never seen her by herself in the basement bench pressing. Yeah, she's just alone at home just getting it going. Fucking screaming. I'm getting it. Throwing weights around. He said also when Scott told him that his mother accidentally died on a weight machine,

on a machine, he assumed it was the treadmill. He thought she must have like lost her footing and fell and smacked her head or something. died on a weight machine on a machine he assumed it was the treadmill he thought she must have like lost her footing and fell and smacked her head or something he said that Chai videos like that yeah oh Jesus yes he said he probably thought it was that he said I thought it was a treadmill but no and then you know yeah so police had interviewed him three times after his mom's death and during at least one occasion He was 17 and being interviewed without the presence of an adult

So he told police that he had seen his mother use the benchpress machine But she didn't use as often as two or three times a week he told police that he thought that Scott regretted having the affair and Asked they asked Dylan what your opinion would be about Scott if he knew that Scott had sent or received 130 text messages to and from Stacey the day your mother died. And he said, that would definitely change it. That sickening to know that that many were sent and received on that day. So he found out that way. Oh, boy.

So yeah, because otherwise that was all evidence and discovery. So Dylan, after he's done testifying, his family convinces him not to stick around for the end of the trial and to go back to school because he's in college at this point. So the sister said he returned to Virginia Tech after testifying. And he said it was really hard. She said it was really hard for him to leave, but we had talked about it for months and that's what we decided. That's what his mother would have wanted him to do, to go back to school and concentrate on school. So they bring out old Stacey Henderson here.

Oh boy. There we go. Oh, Stacey's like, thanks a lot, my life is fucked. Now she is granted immunity for her testimony and you might go, well why the fuck would she need immunity? Was she involved in this? No, but when the cops first talked to her, she certainly didn't tell them all the truth about anything in a deposition.

So she's got problems. She signed something that was a false statement. So they got her dead to rights. Now she has to testify. Have to. Yep. So they said, during this time, were you in love with Scott? And she said, yes.

Did you tell him that? Yes. Did he tell you that? Yes. So they're in love with each other. Her husband's probably in the court. Oh my. Like, if he gets found innocent, I'm going to shoot him in the front steps of the courthouse.

And if he goes away, I'm going to have to take out all of that on her. Oh, Jesus. It's going to be awful. So then they bring in forensic pathologist Dr. Scott Wagner saying the bruising on her body was consistent with a barbell on her neck, but the injuries were not consistent with a weight falling on her throat. The weight would have fallen on her throat, her larynx and everything else would have been crushed and it wasn't.

And yeah, so that's that. Now the defense brings their own doctor in though. Really? Yeah he said this he said no no no this is crazy he said the bruises weren't caused by someone straddling Lisa when she died but rather bruises that occur naturally when blood cools after death. Is that right? He said that's all it was he some discoloration, they can easily be mistaken for that, but they're actually caused by a different thing. And I was paid by them to say that,

so that's what I'm saying. They're paying me, yeah. So, and also he said, if someone had pressed the bar onto her throat, he would have expected to see more significant damage to the neck as well. So, looks like it was just an accident. Okay, moving on. throat he would have expected to see more significant damage to the neck as well. So looks like it was just an accident. Okay, moving on. Prosecution during closing arguments,

he did the exact, it's the exact same speech they gave the Scott Peterson jury. Like it's almost like he watched the Scott Peterson trial and then was like, that's the way to do it. He said, it's this case is a puzzle. Remember them saying that exactly? He said, this case is a puzzle. Remember them saying that exactly? He said, there are pieces you have to put together because it's a circumstantial case. He said the jurors could believe Paterson's version of the story, that he came home from work, found his wife unconscious under the weight bench and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Paterson's version would mean that Lisa, who had issues with her neck, would have been bench pressing, unsupervised, even though her family and friends said she didn't bench press.

Said that the affair with Stacey Henderson, the $450,000 life insurance policy, and Pattinson's pending divorce, are all pretty good motives for killing your wife. Yeah. If you want a divorce, sir, you don't want to give up your business or your house, you're fucking a blonde, yeah.

And you want to get paid for this. And you want to get paid. Hmm. I wonder why. So he said by killing his wife, he wouldn't have to worry about splitting assets, including his home and business with her during a divorce. The prosecutor said he had the motive. He had the opportunity.

And he also reminded the jurors all the lies Scott told the police. He said that he told police that he had an affair with Stacy, but the relationship had ended. Obviously that wasn't true. He said he's so obsessed with this girl, he wants to be with her. Yeah, the man was present when she died. For sure. A hundred percent present.

Yeah, because he was home by then. All reasons not to want to be here. For her to not want to be alive. Yeah. Yeah. For him to not want her alive. Tell me how he didn't do it. He said, his statements don't jive with his own home security

system. Well, yeah. Tell me how Scott Peterson didn't do it when he told the cops he went fishing in the exact same fucking spot they found the body. Tell me that. Tell me that. And don't say, oh, people saw that on the news

and then went out and planted a two-week old body out there Get the fuck out of here with that shit. That is insanity It's insane. Somebody held onto a dead body for two weeks because she was dead for two weeks or more Waited to see where Scott was so they could frame him No, they would have killed her and got rid of her quickly That would have been it and if they got rid of her at the same place and Scott would have waved to the people as They dumped her body in the fucking water So there you go.

And just like that, this prosecutor said, his statements don't jive with his own home security system. Why lie if this was an accident? Why lie? That's the thing. He said he also the 911 call about he said he makes it all about him. He said he hardly even mentions his wife. Everything's about him.

He knew she was dead by then because he killed her. That's why he knew she was dead and not to do CPR. He said during interviews with the police, he continues to talk about himself. When asked about Lisa's neck issues, he begins talking about his medical issues. He starts saying, well, my back's fucked up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He said, yes, this case requires jurors to speculate as to what happened July 2nd, 2009 because they're the only two to know what occurred. Scott and Lisa, and Lisa isn't here to tell anybody. Scott made sure of that. He said he altered the crime scene.

He said, so now the police are left to theorize how she came to die on this bench with a bar across her neck. It has to be speculative because he made it that way. Right. And he had to take that bar off of her. There was so much he had to do. He had to do all of it. He knew exactly when she died.

So why is he lying? You know what I mean? Why you lie? Why just say he came home at 1130 when you were home at 832? That's a big difference. That's correct. You changed so many times. You changed clothes.

So yeah. So the jurors here, or the defense closing talking to the jurors, they're talking about a toxicology report. That's their main thing. They're talking about what they call a dangerous cocktail of drugs in her system, particularly a diet drug that produces side effects sometimes like fainting spells and irregular heartbeats. So they said Lisa had three times the therapeutic amount of that drug in her system. She's already exerting herself, heart pounding, that could tip her over the edge and at that

point the bar comes down on her neck. It could take anywhere from just a few seconds at that point for unconsciousness to occur and then it'll keep pressing and then she's dead. That's a solid argument but it still comes back to the doctor saying it didn't fall on her. It didn't fall but they're saying it could have been close and then she just passed out. Then they said, yes, Scott lied to the police about not coming home at 1130. I don't know how you skill this one into fucking this. He's been three hour window. Wow. His

rationale said the defense was that Scott knew right away that husbands with dead wives always look suspicious. So he was just panicking. They said he panicked and made the bad choice of lying about the timeline. He said, but yeah, call him a liar, but don't you dare call him a killer. That's basically that. I mean, if you, if you know that right out of the gate, boy, you better just give all information that you've got that helps you. You know what I mean? Please tell him everything about you because look, this is going to look bad, but I would

never want my wife killed. No, I don't want her to die ever. This is awful. No, you know, you start doing fucking, you know, when I was eight and I did this and then I stole a thing from there, you start doing when chunk and from Goonies starts telling everything he did. I came home at eight 30, but I was upstairs all day long. Every, yeah, I was every all the time.

So he said a lot of people look at this case, they asked themselves the question they might have asked Richard Nixon, why didn't you destroy the tapes? That's how they caught Nixon because he had the tapes. Well maybe the answer is that if you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have any concern or fear about what's going to be on the tapes. And by the way, when you think that Lisa wouldn't have been able to put some, don't you think that Lisa would have been able to put some scratches or marks on Scott? There were none.

No defensive wounds. But if he sat, if she's on a bench and he sat with her arms pinned down, what's she going to do? Worse off, if he sat with his hands on that bar, I'm not scratching him. I'm trying to get that bar off of me. Yeah, off your throat, you got your hands wrapped around it. So they said there were none. And they said, yep, the defense attorney said that he lied to police about what time he

came home and the affair because he thought telling the truth would make him look bad. He didn't want to explain to police why he didn't find his wife before 1145 a.m. if he'd been home for three hours. So he said that would have been bad, you know, obviously here. He also goes on to say that Scott and his wife were reconciling at the time of their death. And Lisa told her boss she wanted the marriage to work. We got a witness that said that. He said Lisa's death is an accident that a toxic level of Fettermine, a weight loss pill found in her system contributed to and said that Scott was not aware of the

life insurance policy and wasn't different. Meanwhile, he called the next day. He knew and wasn't he wasn't aware of his that he wasn't getting paid. Yes, he was aware of that. And he wasn't afraid wasn't aware of that. He wasn't afraid of losing his business during a divorce because they said he's self-employed. He said you don't use lose your business. You are your business. Okay. Yeah.

So he said people react differently in tragic events and the way Scott acted when he found out his wife was dead wasn't unusual. He said that action on the part of Scott, what it demonstrates is a reaction to an event, not a deliberation. He said that the state's case relies on speculation. He says we have to have a theory, we have to have speculation because we don't have the facts okay boom he's like I think we nailed it right there so jury deliberates for eight hours yeah now I'll give more detail about this later but the machine the weight machine is a big part of this it was brought in on a

truck it was too large to put in the small jury room so it remained in the courtroom throughout the trial during juryations, jurors came into the courtroom when no one else was there and examined the machine and did some other stuff that we'll talk about. The verdict comes in eight hours of deliberation. Scott is found guilty of murder, guilty. After that, before sentencing, juror number eight talks to the media. That's Don Wampler is his name. Yeah, Wampler. Wampler.

He spent 11 days, he was juror number eight, and he said that he's the only member of the jury to speak publicly about the trial. He said the group as a whole, after the verdict was read and before it was, you know, before they were dismissed from the jury room, they vowed not to speak publicly on the matter. But he said he doesn't care. He said after talks with my mother and my wife, I decided to talk. I said, fuck those people. He said that they his mom and wife urged him to speak out to let others know what was going through the mind of at least

one juror. He said, I'm not trying to be famous. He said, I'm not trying to be, hey, look at me, look at me. I was just a juror. I'm trying to let everyone know what happened. He said when he was called in for jury duty, he was unaware that it could be the Paterson trial that he'd be involved with because he'd heard about it. He said a questionnaire he received prior to being called in, the process of picking a jury here, they asked if he had ever been personally involved in a civil trial. So I just assumed it was a civil trial. Oh, he said, but when he arrived at the at the the whole thing here for the jury, he had to fill out another questionnaire. And this one asked about the knowledge of this of the Patterson case. He said, I looked to my left and that guy is writing a novel and I looked to my right and that guy's writing a novel about

the thing. So I wrote something about Pattison being from Lafontaine and supposedly killing his wife. I thought I'm in big trouble today. So people are writing all the shit they know. He's like, I don't know. I know a little bit. So they said jurors were given a large thick binder filled with a variety of information that would be discussed during the trial. He said it was full of stuff from the 911 call to phone records to the case in Iowa of the little boy getting crushed there to Lisa's life insurance policy to the medical report. He said that he was impressed with the testimony of both Wagner the medical examiner and Gregory Davis, a state medical examiner. He said both pathologists were very interesting. And of course, we didn't know Stacey Henderson was coming. We didn't know any of the witnesses beforehand. We walked in that day and

it was wall to wall people. He said, we were like, what's going on? Because that was the day Stacey was there. Like now it's getting good. Here we go. Yeah. Here we go. Where's her husband? Everyone wants to show up to see if he's going to show up. Probably. He said that a timeline prepared by the prosecution on the day Lisa died was one of the major factors convincing him to vote guilty. He said in that timeline, Pattison was unaccounted for for a period of time. He got text messages from Stacey and never responded. He got phone calls and never responded. Any other time as you look at looked at his phone records, if she called or texted, he responded right away. So in that hour or so in there, it was the window in my personal opinion that he murdered Lisa.

Wow. An initial vote was taken and it was seven five jurors were split on guilty. He said we discussed it. Either five had to vote guilty or seven had to split on guilty. He said we discussed it. Either five had to vote guilty or seven had to vote not guilty, but we all had to agree. He said the discussions were civil. No one raised their voices or shouted. Not my fucking problem. I don't care. I'm not related to any of these people, so fuck it.

Jurors reviewed much of the evidence, including interviews with Pattison by the sheriff's department. They also inspected the weight machine that she died. Jurors reviewed much of the evidence, including interviews with Pattison by the Sheriff's Department. They also inspected the weight machine that she died. That's when they came into the court unsupervised and did this here. He said that the prosecution, he said, quote, we experimented. Not supposed to do that, by the way, as a juror. That's not what jurors do. We put one of our smaller jurors on the weight bench and she could get out from under

the weight bar. Okay, you can't do scientific experiments on the jury. No, because she the exact height and weight of Lisa. Then otherwise it's a you know what I mean? They can't say they're not supposed to do their own shit. He said the jury wasn't the juror wasn't wasn't even strong enough to pick the barbell out of the hooks. So we had to set it on the weight for her, but she could get out of the weight bench. We did it two times. Then we did it again with someone, another lady juror sitting on her and she kind of held her hands on the weight bar. She couldn't get out.

So someone sat and even held your hands on the weight bar and pushed it in. You were fucked. He said that combined with the timeline convinced him of the guilt. He said I went from that 65% sure to that 80 to 90% sure and that's that's how Lisa died. He said he was never 100% sure of the guilt but he also said that the jurors wouldn't likely be 100% you know that's reasonable doubt not beyond all doubt. likely be 100%. You know, that's reasonable doubt, not beyond all doubt. He said, Mr. Hartley, that's the prosecutor, said there's 0%, 50%, and 100%.

He said, the only way you could be 100% sure is if you put a video camera on top of the weight bench and saw Scott Patterson kill Lisa or saw the weight bar on her neck. Those are the only ways you could be 100%. But if you're past 50%, then you have to vote him guilty. I don't believe that by the way That's a civil trial civil trial has just a preponderance of the evidence

But you should have to be so certain I'm gonna say to me Reasonable doubt and it's not beyond all doubt reasonable doubt to me is 76% and above yeah, it's got to be 76% and above There's got to be more than three-quarters sure I feel like before you can it's got to be 76% and above. It's got to be more than three quarters short, I feel like, before you can, it's got to be a fucking passing social studies grade before you can take that shit seriously. Well that's fucking 61, James, isn't it? Yeah, that's true.

And I might go to myself more in the 80 to 85% range of what I want it to be for me, personally. I think I might want it to be as much as if I were on the fucking, being tried on something. But that's not the law though, that's not the law. And that's how the judge instructs you too. And if you say that in the fucking jury room, they're like this juror's not following jury instructions.

Yeah. So they said, he said, I was pretty sure that's how it happened. A second vote after the experiment made it 10 to 2 guilty. Still two people holding out. After more discussions and evidence review, a third vote brought the unanimous 12-0. The jury foreman was particularly careful to make sure everyone agreed with the verdict. He said he took the verdict form out of the folder and he said, by then your

heart is racing a little bit. And he said, when I sign this and date it, this is okay, right? This is it, right? And we were like, okay. And he checked the guilty box and signed the form. He said, mentally it was so exhausting. He said he had trouble sleeping. He said, I couldn't sleep the day before,

but then it started to get a little easier to sleep. But you have to, but you have your days. Me being a mama's boy, when Dylan was on the stand, I definitely didn't sleep that night. The least amount of sleep I had was Monday night. He said when the defense rested Monday, the judge said tomorrow we'll release the jury to deliberate and that night I didn't sleep.

Before sentencing, Scott motions for a mistrial. Yeah. He asserting the jury engaged in misconduct because they only know about this from this coming out in the newspaper. Yeah. He's asserting the jury engaged in misconduct because they only know about this from this coming out in the newspaper. Yeah. The defense attorney read this fucking jurors newspaper article and said,

they're not allowed to fucking perform experiments and then motion for a mistrial saying you're not allowed to do that. Which I always thought you weren't allowed to. They said that the attorneys, Paterson and his attorneys were not present during the experiment when it was conducted in the courtroom and that Paterson had a right to be present

when the jury interpreted the evidence. After the experiment, at least three of the jurors changed their verdict from not guilty to guilty according to court documents here. The defense cited another reason for the motion for the mistrial. The Chronic Tribune and Wabash Plain Dealer published an article in which juror number eight discussed his experience.

In the article, he talked about the different, we experimented shit. So they're like, that's crazy. The court denies his motion for mistrial. Really? And sends him off to be sentenced. Okay. Sentencing comes around here. mistrial and sends him off to be sentenced. Sentencing comes around here and I guess there's an enhanced factor on the sentencing too. They find him guilty obviously and say, you sir, by the way here, called him a scumbag

too. The judge said, yeah, he said, wow, he said, you are a human disaster, leaving death and destruction in your wake. You, sir, may fuck off. 60 years in prison, human disaster. The earliest he can be released is 2039. Oh, wee. So he's got another 15 years, no matter what,

in that joint. He was sent to the Indiana State Prison in Michigan City, which if it's a prison that's in a city that's named after a different state than you're in, that's a bad prison. That's a bad place. That's the city that they care the least about. Yeah, they don't give a shit. I don't know, fucking Michigan City, whatever. We want to give this city away. Yeah, we don't give a shit. I don't know, fucking Michigan City, whatever. We want to give this city away.

Yeah, we don't want it. Maybe Michigan wants it. So the family reaction here, her sister said that Dylan was greatly relieved to hear about the jury's decision. She said he was currently getting ready to go to the Sugar Bowl with the Virginia Tech team. He played? No, not as a player.

He's just going to have fun. He's very, very excited because he wants to be a sports agent someday. Oh. So he's on the phone like, so that's cool, yeah, right on, bro, all right. No, no, guys, I'll be there in a second. Nah, man, tell her to keep her tits out.

Yeah, no, yeah, she's awesome. Right on, fucking, peace out, and then he hangs up the phone. He's like, woo. So yeah, that's fucking interesting. Wants to be a sports agent. She said that she was told that there would be further appeals but the family was grateful to overcome this hurdle and she hoped everyone

would keep Lisa's memory alive. She said the family was grateful for the juror's decision and for the prosecutor but they said nothing's going to bring back Lisa. Lisa's father said it's good to get closure. He said maybe this will help us get answers down the road and move on with our lives. He said there was a lot of pressure on the family as they waited for the verdict to be read and it was just terrible waiting to see what was going to happen. I bet that's stressful.

Henderson, Stacey Henderson pleads guilty. Two. She is going to plead guilty of what is this? False informing, I believe is the way to say it here. A Class D felony of perjury after an investigator said she lied during a deposition she gave during the investigation. So during her pretrial conference there, yeah, false informing a class D misdemeanor. Class B misdemeanor is what she pled guilty to though, as opposed to perjury, which is much worse here. She admitted to the court giving false information during her deposition. We don't know exactly

what that is, but the Henderson's attorney said, we believe this is the fairest way to resolve this, to plead. We never believe she committed perjury. The statement she made was false, but that's not perjury by law. He said she made one false statement and quickly retracted the statement, and she told the truth to the investigators after that. But they said, tough shit. Either way here, she is going to be ordered to serve 60 days of home detention, one year of probation, and a 180-day prison term. So that's quite a bit. That's pretty steep, yeah.

That's pretty steep. The prosecution agreed to drop the criminal perjury accusation. I feel like she got a little too much for someone who had nothing to do with the murder. That tells me she knew a lot more than she's telling us. Oh, shit. 2012 here, or I'm sorry, yeah, 2012, Dateline is, or no, 2011, it's February 25th, 2011, Dateline airs an episode on them. So it's like right after this whole thing, yeah.

And yeah, they said the Dateline episode aired, and the family said that it was fine, but they said that they thought they wished there was more to it. They wish they did like a deep dive like us probably, but yeah. And they even had family and everything else, but they said after watching the episode the first time,

her dad said that he wished Dateline had been able to include more details in the show but he realizes they only had an hour to tell the whole story here. Lisa's sister agreed. And they got commercials and shit. And there's, yeah, that's 41 minutes. She agreed and wished the producers would have been able to include the details but she thinks it turned out well.

She said I think they got the main points across. She said it showed video footage of her sister so the public can get an idea of what Lisa was like when she was alive. She said, I think that was probably the most important thing. People got to see who she was. She wasn't just a picture or someone to be written at,

or written about. She said at the end of the show, in the end, the show told her story and her friend said the same thing. Leah said, I always thought things like this happened to someone else. I hope other people end, the show told her story, and her friend said the same thing. Leah said, I always thought things like this happened to someone else. I hope other people learn from the show that things aren't always what they seem.

Yeah, that's true, we know. That's true, that's why we do this show, it's Small Town Murder, right there. So, now I have found some very funny comments, by the way, in different fucking message boards and shit about this case. Okay, here is one of them. This is, I don't even remember where this was from,

it doesn't matter, they said, anyone following this? This is from November 8th, or I'm sorry, August 8th, 2010. He said, anybody following this? It has gotten national attention and Dateline has interviewed his deceased family's wife. Seems like a lot of witnesses have lied on the stand. Why would someone risk going to jail for doing that?" And someone fucking responds, I used to live with the guy. He's an idiot. Dateline's running the story on Friday 225. He's an idiot. He's an idiot.

Trust, listen, I know him. He's a fucking idiot. Just between me and you. He claimed he looks like Jean-Claude Van Damme for Christ's sake. Yeah, come on. He's an idiot. I lived with him back in the Van Damme days. Next up from truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com, okay? Oh, blogspot. That's like a... Yeah.

Anybody can make that. It's true. Now, the person who makes these about the true crime stories, they do a pretty good job of a succinct story tell. I mean, there's not all the details, but just one like whatever. But the comments are gold a lot of times on here. And this is from February 22nd, 2020, okay?

So well passed. Quote, he's innocent with five exclamation points. This is what I mean. There's Scott Peterson and Scott Patterson people. They should just meet each other, and Peterson and Patterson. She could have committed suicide. Three exclamation points.

Suicide now. She brought it, has anyone ever used that as a way to commit suicide? I don't think that's true. I don't think it has. Even Chris Benoit used the weight bench in a different way to commit suicide. Not this way. So she then goes on to say, dead arm,

ask any avid athletic trainer about dead arm. It's where your arm gives out and you won't budge. Many scenarios can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Shitty job by the lawyers. Wow. What? You don't have to. Either way, it didn't crush her throat.

So when it fell on her, she would've said, oh fuck, I gotta get out of here. And she would've said. I'm gonna roll this way or that way or do what an adult human does to preserve life. People have chewed their fucking arms off to get out of shit. Are you kidding? Literally chewed their arm off. This she can't roll to the left. What are you kidding me?

At the time that it would have happened, she would have known because she didn't work out for three fucking hours. I'm not bench pressing for three fucking. You know that he's there. You'd be screaming Scott, and he would help. And he would probably help. So someone responds to that. I doubt it, seeing as he tried to hire someone to kill her before this happened. And there's that too, yeah.

There's that too. And then someone else does this. Are you serious? The bench had a mechanism to keep it from falling on her. That wasn't in place. It was not in place, right. He is guilty. He lied about his timeline,

tried to get rid of surveillance evidence. She's the only one completely innocent in all of this. And now to all of this, somebody else replies, and this is my favorite thing ever, because it's fucking long, and we don't know if this is true or not, but I believe these comments, because it makes it more fun.

This is from Anonymous, quote, I knew Scott, Lisa and Dylan personally. Trust me, he killed her. He was a monster long before he actually killed her. He lived by lying, cheating and conning his way through most of his life. He was a narcissist, devoid of empathy and just a general pig. With all the crimes he has committed throughout his life, it took him murdering Lisa before they finally convicted and imprisoned him.

Just a hair of his past was covered in the media. If Moore had been investigated or reported on, it's doubtful anyone would consider him innocent of murder. We missed you Lisa and I pray Dylan has found happiness and peace after this tragedy." Spelled with an I. Okay. Next up, Michelle says, my only question is how did he get her to lay on the bench without a struggle and fight from her? Was she laying on the bench that she never uses and he just took his opportunity? Just seems strange. It was never brought up how he would have gotten her to peacefully lay on the bench so he could then straddle her and bring the bar down.

Any thoughts? Now someone responds, I think he strangled her and he put her on the bench and staged it. That's possible. That's possible, but it would have had wrap around. Right, yeah. Then the marks would have gone, you can't, how do you, you know what I mean?

That would have been very hard to strangle her. But he wouldn't put her, they didn't see her on the bench, so he wouldn't have staged it. No, that couldn't, how do you, you know what I mean? That would have been very hard to strangle her. But he wouldn't put her, he wouldn't put her, they didn't see her on the bench, so he wouldn't have staged it. No, that couldn't have been, that's not what happened. He didn't stage anything, because he was taking her to the hospital. They never saw her on the bench, so it's not staged.

That's the thing. The only thing is they had some of her sweat or oil they thought was on the bench bar, but other than that, it could have happened anywhere. Sure, yeah. He could have just put some of her, I mean, they didn't than that, it could have happened anywhere. Sure, yeah. He could have just put some of her, I mean, they didn't even check.

That could have been his DNA. We have no idea, because they didn't check. Now, he appeals this. We'll go through this very quickly. First, on the admission of surveillance equipment and the surveillance video. And yeah, they said that he argues the trial court violated his federal and state constitutional protections

against illegal search and seizure by admitting this." No, they didn't. They said, because he tries to go for a Fourth Amendment thing, which is a search warrant deal, Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as Indiana constitutional statutory law. They said, in deciding whether to use, to issue a search warrant, the task of issuing magistrate

is simply to make practical, common sense decision whether, given all the circumstances set forth in the affidavit, there's a fair probability that contraband or evidence will be found in that particular place. So they said that was a fine thing. He argues that the probable cause affidavit was invalid because it was based on stale information because they put stuff he said about, I'm not giving her half my business and all that stuff. He called all that stale.

If it wasn't that weak, it was stale, basically. Even including the asking someone in 2001 to kill his wife. Yeah, all that shit. The internet tracking software stuff by Leah Frazier and the Affair, that's all stale, they said, even though it was seven months before the murder. So that's how that goes.

They also conclude here that they're trying to find, they're talking about his affidavit a lot. They're really trying to pick this affidavit apart a lot. Search and seizure, they said that the probable cause affidavit doesn't support that, but they said it actually does. It established a substantial basis for the issuance of a search warrant

and the admission of the surveillance system. And then the big one, jurors, played with the fucking machine. They experimented. They said that he says that he should have been given notice and opportunity to be present for this. They said in this case, they said, I would tell you with respect to the question you heard had about the equipment, this equipment is going to stay up and assemble throughout the duration of the trial. So if during deliberations you feel you want to see it, I'll clear the

courtroom and you'll be the only ones in here and you can check it out as you desire. Just like any other evidence, because normally they can ask for any evidence that'll be brought to them in the jury room. But experiments, they usually don't do your own, because that's investigative and you don't do that as a juror. So that's a really gray area. Like fucking super gray.

Like gray with an E, not even with an A. An English gray. Like a T. Like a T. So they said that in response he contends that he had no objection to allowing the jurors to examine the machine during deliberations, but he asserts that he should have been given notice and an opportunity to be present for an examination like that. They said you're not allowed to be in the jury room while they examine anything else, why the fuck should you be allowed to examine it?

Examine this here. They said the state assembled it in the courtroom, it was in there, who gives a shit? They also say during the cross-examination of Dr. Greg Davis, the prosecutor had a detective lie on the bench and he straddled the detective while questioning Davis. That's a funny sight by the way, watching two grown professional men straddle another man on a weight bench while he tries to lift it off. It is that'll make your fucking week.

If you see it, it's amazing. It's so fun. I can see it in my head. It looks a smidge homoerotic. Oh, it's it is not a smidge. It is a hundred percent homoerotic. It looks like a gay porn. Like he walked in.

He was like, how much you bench there sexy. And then he straddled him and he's about to like take his cock out and start jerking. I'm gonna fuck you missionary Go, baby So yeah, also sufficiency of evidence. He says not enough evidence all circumstantial just like Scott Peterson and They say don't prefer him keep fucking on Keep on fucking on homie. So he remains in Indiana State Prison. His DOC number is 218261 if you want to take a look for him. Jean-Claude Van Damme looking motherfucker.

Here he is. Ah, you don't look any fucking thing like him. What an asshole. Come on, no he doesn't. And 2039, you might see Scott out on the streets again. And that, everybody, is Marion. Practices Dutch accent. And Jean-Claude's long been gone.

Nobody cares about him. He can pretend to be him. He could say he is. That's what I was going to say. He could just show up and go, I am Jean-Claude Van Damme. They go, oh shit, for real? You're in double team right on. Blitz between semis recently on a Super Bowl commercial.

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Oh, well shit. Thank you, Carol. We had fun and thank you for stopping at McDonald's for me. I need a Big Mac sometime. Lovely. Thank you. Nikki Weed, happy birthday. Ape man says so.

Happy birthday. He adores you. Joy Winters, I'll tell you more about that later. Thank you. You're terrific Make sure to say that cuz didn't sound like it like oh boy this crazy bitch anyway Jagger Remini, thank you so much Jagger and for any and Oz you're the best I'm thank you so much other producers this week are Janice Hill, Dubrovsko. Wait, Dubrovko Zaha, for Donna. Oh, that's a donation for Donna. I don't know how to say Dubrovko's name, and I apologize about it.

Other producers continuing are Aaron Donigan, Nicholas Hanson, Michelle, with no last name, Jessica Emilejadjankichich. Oh, her. Matt Dequette, Duquette. Michelle, with no last name, Jessica Emilejankicic. Oh, no way. Matt Dekwet, Duquette. Gwen Harrison, Margaret Richardson, Michaela... Nope. Yeah, Michaela Rurek. Uh, is it Michaela? It is Michaela.

Trier of Pods, Emory Delphi. Anthony Gullmayer. Gullmayer. Gullmayer, maybe. Ruthann Marcel, wrestling fan. Dylan Ellis. You should be happy this week, sir. Or ma'am. Who the fuck knows?

Who knows? Dylan Pellis. William Reed. Keely, with no last name. Andy Stebbins. Katie Lynn Moore. Luna Mist. Candice Quinn.

Suzanne Bee. Debbie, with no last name. Christina Bolliard. Brandon, no, Brayden. Brayden Jenkins. Brayden! Sydney Willhite. KC, with no last name. Tom, Brayden Jenkins. Brayden! Sydney Willhite. Casey, with no last name.

Tom, with no last name. Jenny Jones, probably not that one, but I wish. Maybe, maybe. What a show. God damn, it was a train wreck and I loved every horrible minute of it. She was a decent comic in the 80s. Yeah? And she had that weird guy on the show that fucked everybody.

I forget his name. She had a guy who murdered somebody too on the show. Yeah, but there was a guy that was on several episodes and they dressed him as somebody else and gave him a different name and he fucked people all the time. Sydney Hollandeck, Kara Scott, Adam McCarthy, John McAuliffe, Evolved Squid, Shanna Johnson, Lindsay with no last name, Michelle Shump, Anne Warner Smith, Cecilia Ashbridge, Bad Wolf, Terry Kincaid, Martin Behrens, Chris Bedmore, Carmel with no last name, Christina Blunt-Jones, Chris Stone, Perry Holbrook, Laurel with no last name, Josh Gallup, Carly Smith, Summer Colangelo Keating, Krista Bax, Ressa Wilder, Rebecca Benai, Tara Kemp,

Jessica Stewart, Dallas Johnson, Becca Kayla, Dice Up Games, Jamie, you would know his name, Katie Claridge, Big J Stutz, Courtney Johnson, Rocho. Rocho. Dallas Johnson sounds like a news reporter. Well, now take you to weather, man. Dallas Johnson. Dallas Johnson in the field getting pummeled by this hurricane. Oh my god.

Because he is the low man on the totem pole, and he'd probably be fired and shipped off to Tampa next year. Up to you, Ketro. We just hired him and he came in from Omaha. Come on. Courtney Johnson or showed Dakota Williamson, Ryan Wisonant? Wisonant.

Maryann with no last name, I and S, the letters I and S. Scully with no last name. Andrew with no last name. Sandy with know last name I and S, the letters I and S. Scully would know last name. Andrew would know last name. Sandy would know last name. Ellen Hendricks, Andrea would know last name. Fletcher Ames, Ashley Strigler, Maggie Gorsuchichka, Gorsi Zorgica, Curtis Long, Mike Jackson, Rebecca Grapevine, me lifted and gifted. Patrick Deterding, Kristen Bazdin. Tina with no last

name. Lexis Holting. Hugh Hoyting. Sam Farron. Nick Brooks. Leslie loves to laugh. Anastasia. Wilson. Ryan Williams. Stephanie Mochella. Cheryl. Cheryl Murnane. Cheyenne Eckhoff. Laura Hanson. Anita Shea. Heather Webb, Mike Pepper, Carol, Carol Spike, Smitty with no last name, Jamie Robinson, Tori Citro, Jungle Fever, I don't like that, Dustin with no last name, Liss with no last name, not that I just don't like the words. I get it. It's a movie. Yeah, it's a thing.

Howie Cordoza. Jesus, God, right. I wish I didn't. All right. Megan Siler. Robin Jody Murrer. Oh, is that? No, it's not Murrer.

That's somebody else. What was her name? Remember Laura. Laura Murrer. Ah, there you go. Yes. All right. Maybe it's the same family.

John Brian Hall, the fourth. Marty? Marty. Mary. Mary Bomey. Austin Jones. Doug Archie. Kay Bettendorf. Bev, with no last name. Victoria Melson. Burr Town. Rick Giuliani. Oh, damn it. That's tough, man. Alex Eicher. Krista Bax. I said that. She donated both ways. Or two times. Thank you, Krista. Rebecca Cuspert. Nia Anthony. Maddie Mandi Ratner. Oh, hope you're not fucking family of that other. What was that guy's name? Ratner? That fucking monster? Yeah,

what a piece of shit. All right, Michael Sly, Jordan Castaneda, Julie Nylander, Jessica with no last name, Mygen Amelio. Holy fuck. Brittany, Brittany Anne Nicole, Kevin Danin, Rudy Levernchik. Riley with no last name, Gloria Santana Almorez, Kat Gray, Tim with no last name, Alan with no last name, Diane Borg, Morgan Marie Chaffee, Daniel Porter, Whiskey Biz, oh that's Bryce Price, thank you. Mark Rouse, Trevor Dunn, Jeremy Thompson, B S Sobisinski, C. Note the Goat, Danielle with no last name, Cheyenne Clark, Jessica with no last name, Alexis from Texas. Because if you say Alexis Texas, that is a very different gal.

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