Small Town Murder - #534 - Gone Like A Ghost - Pocomoke City, Maryland

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

This week, in Pocomoke City, Maryland, a young mother disappears from the flophouse that she shared with some friends, after an apparent love triangle, or maybe even a love rectangle goes wrong. No evidence, and some vague hints from a pair of psychic sisters, leads to no progress in the case, until one of the killers tries to get out of some trouble, and spills all the horrible details of a murder, that never needed to happen!Along the way, we find out that rap battles & children's pageants go hand in hand, that a disagreement over the amount of milk that a small child drinks shouldn't be enough to ruin a relationship, and that no matter how many other crimes you commit, telling police about your participation in a murder, won't get you out of trouble!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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They had him for 90 days to just poke and prod and look at him and do a diagnostic session, which that is any psychologist or psychiatrist, I assume, that's maybe high up on the wishlist. If I could get Ted Bundy for a month and a half and just unpeel the layers of that onion and see what the hell's going on, we'll talk all about it. Patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you get all that. That said, it's time to get into this. Let's do it. We have a lot of wild show for you, so let's do it. I think it's time now everybody to sit back, let's all clear the lungs here, and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder.

Let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's go. Let's go. We're going to Maryland this week. Yeah. Which, I don't know, people go, oh well there's Baltimore and then they don't know much about

the rest of it really. There's Annapolis? Yeah, that's the capital and, but I mean, what goes on there? Yeah. Nobody knows. We don't know. We have no idea what's going on there. This is Pocomoke City, Maryland.

Now some pronunciation said it was Pocomoke. That had bad reviews though, that pronunciation. It did. It had like two stars. But then a five star review is Pocomoke. That's the five star review. So we're going with that one. This is in Southern Maryland. We're going to call this Panhandle country. This is coming down a little peninsula and the way this little peninsula goes is Maryland

has like three quarters of it. And then the last little tip is belongs to Virginia for some reason, even though it's well off the shore of Virginia. So that's right above that. It's close to there. It's near Ocean City. It's about two and a half hours to Baltimore and about two hours to Cape St. Clair, Maryland, which is our last Maryland episode, adopting murder.

That was a fun one. Go ahead and do that. So the population here, 4,295. Not a big place. And it's a pretty rural area that we're gonna talk about today. Median household income here, well below the national average at $45,781. Well below almost $25,000 below the national average.

And it is cold. How do you afford it? It's chilly. Median home price also low though. That's helpful. $178,500. Okay. So, very low.

And the motto here is the friendliest town on the Eastern Shore Wow You know The whole Eastern Shore count everything Show me the map the other motto the other motto should be I mean our competition is Jersey, so That should be the other part of the motto. Yeah That should be the other part of the motto. History here. It started in the late 17th century, so way back there, 1600s. A small settlement called Stevens Landing, sometimes called Stevens Ferry, grew at the landing on the south bank of the Pocomoke River, sorry. Five stars on Pocomoke.

The town was incorporated in 1865 as Newtown. Yeah. And then they reincorporated it in 1878 as Pocomoke City, Pocomoke City, after the American Indian name of the river, meaning black water. So. Okay. Which is just how you want your river to be, black and dirty, that's perfect.

But I do like an ode to Native American thing, that's nice. Yeah, they do that a lot, that's good. In 1922, the business district of Pocomoke City was destroyed due to a large fire, of course, as everything pre-1930 at one point was ashes. On one side of town, it continued up to the church on Third Street. It really torched the place. They rebuilt downtown pretty quickly

though. I guess farming was declining during the 1900s here but the poultry industry rose to take its place and then also you can get jobs for the Navy around here, the Coast Guard and NASA as well. So there's places to work. Pocomoke City was named an All-America City by the National Municipal League, which sounds like 12 blue-haired old ladies judging other people's towns. What the fuck is that?

No interest in that shit. That was for the years 1984 and 85, so. No, back then they had it. 40 years ago it was a good place apparently not sure now we don't know but I know people who do know some people leaving reviews they know so let's find out from them number one four stars I love these small-town homelike feeling although sometimes it gets annoying that everyone knows everyone because of how fast rumors can spread. This is

exactly, this is some small town shit here that they're talking about. I mean, it's nice, but people gossip and talking about me behind my back all the time. You could just, yeah. We have a lot of people who care about each other, which is great. But we also have those who think they are better than everyone else. Oh, is that okay? And that really makes the environment change. Sure. Yeah that's that's where the warming is coming from. You get ten people together one person thinks they're better than everybody else. Next thing you know glaciers are melting at the North Pole. Polar bears are floating off on little that happens. There's a lot of support in the school system and in the community events but there's not much to

do for teenagers, really any aged kids in town, which often leads to kids getting in trouble and roaming the streets. That's almost like parents should be watching them and telling them where to go. I wish we had more opportunities to get together with friends, but also wish that there was more activities to do throughout town. Okay, three stars. I've lived in this town my whole life, and I love this place only for certain reasons. What are they? Well, maybe they'll tell us. Let's find out.

I also dislike it for certain reasons as well. Sadly, sadly, there are a lot of people here that can be very disrespectful and dangerous, but not all. The safety of this town is not as handled, but not all the time it is great. What, that's such a weird syntax to that shit. Boy, if you don't give one fucking example of any thought you have. Nothing, got nothing.

It's such a small town, but it does have a lot of meaning and cultural knowledge. What does that even mean? I don't know what that means. It's got meaning. Also, it's my hometown, so I'll always call it home. Imagine having a full conversation with that person. It's the most frustrating motherfucker I've ever heard of.

How frustrated you'd be with that person. And then two stars, the area might be better for more like a transition, but could be better elsewhere. That's the whole review. I have no idea what you're talking about. No one does. Transitioning what? It could be a lot of things.

That's a lot of different things. To a different place, to another job, becoming a woman, what are we talking about? Out of prison. That's possible too. Things to do, the great Pocomoke fair. Yeah. There we go. You got a fair, I'll give you some of the events here. You got the livestock load-in, that's exciting. The Little Miss pageant of course. The rap battle walk-ins.

They're gonna rap battle? They're gonna have rap battles I guess. That is, by the way, at 5 p.m. is the Little Miss Pageant, at 5 30 is the Rap Battle, and at 6 o'clock is the Junior Miss Pageant. So right in between children's beauty competitions we're gonna have a rap battle apparently. Okay. How many times does a Dungeness or blue crab get mentioned? Yeah, Jesus, yeah. No shit. Half of them are that probably, I'm sure. I'm gonna steam you like a crab. Crack you like a crab motherfucker, now what? The all dirt drags, all truck dirt drags, we have that, the dragging dirt. There's a mural painting.

I'm sure it's drag racing in the dirt. I'm sure, I'm sure. But the way they say it makes it sound like you're dragging dirt. Look at, his dirt's the flattest, it's perfect. Look at him drag it. Look at it. There is a Creations chainsaw carving show,

a hog show, dairy cow fitting. Yeah. It's hard to find good bras for dairy cows. They have to have fittings every once in a while. You can't find them. Yeah. Utter cup. Nope.

Then there's the beef cow show. Yeah. As opposed to the poultry cow show. That's good. Pork cow. Followed by a karate and judo demonstration. Hell yeah. This shit makes no sense whatsoever. Whatsoever. Followed by a karate and judo demonstration. Hell yeah. This shit makes no sense whatsoever.

Fodge, fodge. None. All about dance performance, bull ride mania. Yeah. Okay. And then cornhole tournament obviously. A Chinese auction. Oh, I like that.

Are we auctioning things off in Chinese? Are we auctioning off Chinese people? What are we auctioning things off in Chinese? Are we auctioning off Chinese people? What are we auctioning off? Chinese. We have lots of the Chinese to auction off today. I mean, they're small, but they work hard. This fella here. Then there's a Pygmy slash Mini Goat show.

Yeah. Sheep fitting and showing in their nicest evening wear, I assume that can be. A tug of war, which I hope has a rope involved. A cake auction. Just auctioning off some cake. A chainsaw carving auction. Praise at the fair.

The barnyard Olympics, which sounds so much fun. That sounds like- Oh, I want to see a pig fucking run the fly. Oh, man. I want to see all that shit. I can't wait to see the barnyard Olympics. A big triple jump. I want to see...cow diving is the event that I'm into. I really want to see the splash

they make. That'll be good. That said... They just fucking prod them off the hot-dive. That's hilarious. That said, let's talk about some murder. What do you say, Gar? Because I could talk about that fair all fucking day Especially the Olympics. There's events. I didn't even mention so it's it's awesome Don't have the time let's go back in time to 2007 here. Okay, so not very real far back 2007 we'll talk about a young woman first here. This is Christine Marie Shetty, and she is born December 22, 1980, so for 98% of 2007,

she's 27 years old. She is a mother of three here. Two of her kids are ages two and four at this point in time. Youngins. Youngins. And then she has another one that I don't know where that other one is. Everyone keeps saying she's a mother of three, but everyone always talks about these two specific kids and where they were during all this.

So I'm not sure about exactly where they go. But we know she has two sons and a daughter. She's small, young woman here. She's five foot three hundred pounds, light and tiny. So she is a stay at home mother with the three kids. She helps, she lives with her mother and helps, they have a family business that they run, her family. So she helps with the family business while she's watching the kids.

She does office work and you know, whatever needs to be done to get the shit done here. So she lives with her mom, Lynn Dodenhoff is her mom and her mom describes Christine as follows here, Christine is a very outgoing outspoken young woman. She was a really good mom, a single mom and there's issues like with any single mom. She wasn't perfect ever, but she's a good-hearted person. She would do anything for you. Yeah. It sounds like basically, and if I could infer some stuff here, from what Lyn, the way she describes it, sounds like Christine probably was a troubled teenager.

You know, she's got three kids by 26 in 2007, and I don't think that they were planned. You know what I mean? So I think maybe she's had some trouble in the past, and now she's a single mom who's trying to get it all together and be a mom and be a good mom and do all that stuff. So that's what it kind of sounds like. Maybe has some hard opinions, maybe a little loud.

Yeah, moody, or not moody, but I feel like she's definitely an opinionated person,, she's, I feel like she's definitely an opinionated person and she's not shy. She's lived some shit, so she's got some opinions about things. That's what I mean, and she's not shy at all. In 2007 here, in late 2007, she's going to move out of her mom's house because she has some fighting with her mom. So apparently she moves in with a friend of hers

named Tia Lynn Johnson. So Tia is her friend, she's gonna move in with Tia, and I guess Christine and her mom had a minor fight, and then Christine and her kids took off for Pocomoke City here in early, yeah, to go live with Tia. And her mom, Lynn, said being 26 years old and having to live under our rules,

there was a little bit of tension. Yeah, that's not easy to do. Look, I'm a mom, I got three kids. I don't need you to tell me what to do. Especially if you've moved out and now come back. Like, you've lived on your own and had your own rules and now you're back in mom and dad, that's hard. That's gotta be difficult to do here, so.

When you move back in, you kinda, it's almost like That's gotta be difficult to do here. So. Yeah, when you move back in, you kinda, it's almost like you gotta give up some of that freedom and be like, yeah, I didn't do very well with it, so here I am again. You have to come back humble, that's how it is. It sucks, though. Yeah, that humility's not easy. No, Tia is her age, she's about six months younger

than Christine, or six months older, I'm sorry. Tia had a tough upbringing here as well. Tia has had it rough in her life. She had to wear a back brace all through school. Oh, fuck. So just like Dee in Always Sunny, basically. She was the monster. Yeah, what was it, the, what the hell did they call it?

Aluminum monster. Aluminum monster, there you go. I'm like, some sort of monster, not steel. So yeah, she had to wear the back brace the whole time and this was, you know, she went to school in the 90s so she was teased unmercifully. Oh my, forget it. I mean this was, not an hour of kids would be like,

hey come on, she's fucking hurt, be nice to her. Back then the kids were like, yeah, and they'd stick magnets to her and shit, that was terrible. So Tia's had some issues. Now after Christine, I guess Christine had an argument with her parents over how much milk one of her sons was drinking. That's what spurred the move out.

I don't know if the kid, if mom thought the kid wasn't getting enough calcium or if grandma was complaining that the kid drank too much milk. I'm not sure. We're going through so much milk. It's got to be that, right? When you have your son, daughter, whatever living there and they're bringing three children,

you're going to expect the milk to really go through the roof. Milk output is crazy. You're going to go through a lot of milk today. At my house, we go through, I can't even finish a through a lot of milk today. At my house we go through, I can't even finish a half a gallon of milk, but I throw out the last quarter of it because it goes bad, because I just don't drink that much milk.

I have cereal or whatever. But when my kids were little, it was like every two days a gallon of milk. Yeah, oh God, forget it. And when I was a kid, we'd go through a gallon of milk in a day because you got cereal in the morning and you're drinking it too morning and you drink it, too

I I never drank it, but I always put it in I fucking hate to drink milk. It's disgusting I know I can't drink milk I like I'll drink chocolate milk or if I could put it in something like one of those strawberry instant breakfasts or something I could fucking love those. Yeah, I don't mind milk based things, but to drink straight milk. I just can't do it It's weird to make they've got a new milk that I don't know if it's new milk, but it lasts so long. It, I question it. Lasts so long. It lasts like a month.

Oh, you mean expiration wise. I'm so stupid. I thought like, I keep, I poured like five glasses and it's still like barely even in my mind, like it was a regenerating milk. I'm drinking it but it just keeps re- I was like it just keeps going. I think that might be you bro, I think you're out of your mind like I was really like questioning your sanity and you're talking about something way more normal than what I'm talking about. I don't know why it lasts so long and I question it because that feels weird. Like there's preservatives in it that shouldn't be

there? It's not hurtling man. It can sit in my that shouldn't be there? It's not curdling, man. It can sit in my fridge for a month. Oh, that's not right. A month. I don't want that. I want my milk to go bad quickly. Very perishable. Yeah, there's sometimes at the store

when you grab the jug and it's like, this expires tomorrow? That's fast, isn't it? I like my beer cold. I like my women sexy. I like my milk cold. I like my women sexy And I like my milk curdling quickly Those are things I like in this world, I'm a simple man. I'm a simple man

So Apparently here she moves in and T is not the only one who lives there They're gonna move into a farmhouse on Bird Road outside of Pocomoke City. This is a 2,900 block of Bird Road. So apparently, Lynn is picked up in a car by Tia Johnson and Tia's boyfriend, Clarence Butch Jackson. May as well. Who goes by the name Junior.

That's what's there. His middle name is really Butch. His middle name is But is butch and he's like that's not hillbilly enough How about junior call me just call me junior even though that's not even in my fucking name Wow, but not even jr. Junior is you spelled out yep, junior junior is born June 26 1974 so he's a few years older than everybody in this little conglomerate here. Now, the house they're gonna move into, this is not a house that children should be living in probably.

It's not a house that's a, it's a flop house for underachieving people in their 20s is basically how this works. It's not farmhouse in that it's the fucking fashion that it's decorated in. It's an old farmhouse. It's cheap because it's in the middle of nowhere. That's what it is.

There's no farming going on at this house whatsoever. It's a farm style house. And it's not the chic time of the- They don't have a zucchini garden out back. That's not going on. I don't think. There's not a lot of shiplap in this mother. No, they're not raising pigs for the circus or the carnival or whatever the

fuck you're there. Yeah. So, um, they lived, the one woman who lived across the street, Carol Morrison is her name. She said, um, that the house was in poor shape. She said, quote, there was no water, water running water. You can't have this other house and another guy is gonna move in There's four adults living in a house with no running water. That's not a house and those people aren't adults No, that's a that's a shelter. That's that's just shelter from the cold. That's all that is That's all that is to lean to at that is. It's a lean to at that point. And only part of the house had electricity because the house was fucked up. So only part of the house has electricity. Oh boy. Shall we go into the lighted part of the house tonight?

Well, why don't we? Let's live a little. The frightening part is that that's probably because something ate the wires elsewhere. I'm sure. You know what I mean? Those shits are still hot somewhere. Oh, that's so scary. It's a fire hazard I'm sure it's all gonna burn So but I guess Christine didn't have any other place to go and her friend offered her because she said I can't stay here anymore I can't take it anymore I think her friend just said well you can stay with me and it was a place to go and kind of I guess collect Herself you know what I mean so camp with us yeah, and've lived in, I've stayed with people in shitty places like this.

Maybe not that shitty, we had running water. The toilets worked. I'm not staying somewhere where the toilet doesn't work. No, no, it's gotta go away. Shit buckets are, that's where I draw the line. It's gotta leave. That's where I draw, when I flush that toilet, I want poop to go away, period.

It's gotta, it's gotta go. That is minimum. So I guess during that this time Tia Johnson by the way has two children as well that are living here. That's why it's okay So there's two children here that she's got that are living here and there's another guy named Justin Michael Hadel he's born in 1990. So he is that's a youngster ten years younger than the girls He's 17 years old while this is going on. That's a minor. He's Tia Johnson's cousin. Okay. Okay. He's Tia Johnson's cousin. And apparently

he is at the house frequently, always coming and going. He'll end up basically just living there. And they said the neighbor said she never really saw Christine coming or going or doing anything once she moved in. She just was there, I guess, either in or out, one of the two. So Justin Michael Hadel here, this guy, he's living at the house. So you got four adults living there and two kids. Now the weird part is, is Christine's kids seem to be staying with her mom. So Christine takes off and the kids stay in the place with running water, which is good.

Yeah. But the kids are still drinking the milk. Yeah, that's the solution to the. It's not solved in the, yeah. Okay, all right, this is a little. So that's what I mean, I feel like Christine's had some issues with her mom and there's been some family problems. It's what it sounds like and her mom wants there to be no problems and it seems like

Christine is a bit rebellious, we'll say. The only person that has the solution fixed there is Christine because now she doesn't have to listen to her mom bitch about the milk going away. Exactly. No shit. So now she can just tune it out. So November 13, 2007, Christine is seen in the area of Bird Road here at the house and around the house. Her two sons, ages two and four, were staying with her mother.

I don't know where her daughter is at this point, no clue. But they're staying with her mother, Lynn, at her Bowers Beach home there. And then Christine told her mother she was visiting a couple she met through her ex-boyfriend who was also the father of these children, these two boys. That's who Tia is to her. She met him through there. So she did all of this. And I guess what they say is that Christine was at the house this day on November 13th and

then Tia and Hadel and Jackson, all of these people, Junior there, all of these people say they went to pick up Tia's kids from school and when they got back, Christine was gone. She was just gone. That was that. Now, there is conflicting, by the way, information of where her kids are. There is information that says when they got back, Christine's kids were home alone, two and four years old.

At the no electricity house? No electricity house. Then there's also renditions of this that say that the kids were still with Lynn at this point. Then there's, atitions of this that say that the kids were still with Lynn at this point. Then there's, at first there was a rendition that were saying that the kids were with the kids father. So we have three different places where the kids are possibly being. But the only thing we know for sure is that they are not with Christine.

They were not with Christine at this point because Christine is gone. Now I think it might be that her boys are at the house at this point because that would make sense for something that happens later So Justin Hadel the 17 year old is the one who calls Lynn to inform her that we can't find Christine Have you seen her and? He said I already reported her missing to the police. Do you know where she is? Maybe? so that's how that goes so the police. Do you know where she is maybe? So that's how that goes. So the police get involved here. And we have Detective Robert Troutman of the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation.

And they said they were expanding their search to Delaware and Virginia as well to look for her because they can't find her. They said they don't suspect foul play at this point because they just think that Christine took off somewhere, because she's done that before. So they said, we're looking into everything though. You never know, but we don't suspect foul play.

They first talked to her ex-boyfriend and say, do you know where she is? Since you're A, the father of the kids, and B, you're the one that you guys have been fighting or whatever your ex is, and he said, I don't know where she is. And he has a rock solid alibi. He was like with 40 people the entire day. So no way he's anyway involved with any kind of disappearance.

So they said, okay, he's immediately out. But the ex boyfriend told police that he had Christine's journal. Okay. told police that he had Christine's journal, okay, which showed multiple numbers of adoption agencies. She had written down a bunch of adoption agency numbers and that, from what I understand, that is not to adopt more kids. That's to get hers out. That's to possibly give away one of hers or I don't know if maybe that's where the daughter

is. I'm not going to make any assumptions there but She has a bunch of adoption agency numbers in there and that's what he shows the police so they continue to search for her and Her family Lynn and her you know their whole family put up a five thousand dollar reward for information that will find her They think she just took off So the sergeant of the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation said, we continue to get calls and information. We're trying

to track down everything so we can get to her. So they're trying to find her. At this point, they decide Christine is not missing. Christine has abandoned her children. That's what the police decide. Oh, boy. They decide so much that there's no foul play that they are charging her with a crime now. Neglect and abandonment of children. They can't find her so they charge her with child abandonment. They absolutely do. Now her mother, Christine, is like, bullshit. Christine may be things and she may be this and that, but she's never going to abandon her kids and run away. That's never happened. That's Lynn, the mom, saying that but she's never gonna abandon her kids and run away that's never happened that's Lynn the mom saying that

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found the actual charges they charged her with reckless endangerment and desertion of a minor child. Those are the actual two charges court filed charges where she had a court date for, you know, a little while later. So yeah, she's gone. This, they charge her on the 13th of November. So she's gone for two weeks and they charge her with this. So they want to find her to arrest her at this point. No kidding. So the case, they talk to Tia and they talk to a junior, they talk to Justin Hadel, they talk to everyone else, the ex-boyfriend, everyone that she might be in contact with. Nobody seems to know anything about where she is.

Nobody's got a thing. Her parents, her friends, her roommates, nobody. So at that point, they just stopped looking for her pretty much. Oh my God. I mean, it's like if you find her, there's a missing poster and all that sort of thing. It's like if you find her, let us know, but you know. We'd love to arrest her. We'd love to put her in prison if you find her.

So that'd be great if we could put her in cuffs. So Lynn decides, no, my daughter's missing. She's not just a fucking flaky mom who abandons her kids. I'm gonna find my fucking daughter, which she's a good mom, Lynn. Who the hell wouldn't do that? So Lynn takes it upon herself to search for Christine all the time.

She said she went as far as assuming that, she said she must be dead if she's gone this long. She's got to be dead or kidnapped or being held somewhere. So Lin went as far as to research various states of decomposition in an attempt to inform her search. Like basically, if I find her now, she'll be in this state. This is what I should be looking for. Lin's got a really fucked up Google search now. Dark turn of mind, Lynn. Oh my. This is, Lynn's search history is like mine at this point.

It's creepy. It's not good. If I'm ever accused of anything and they look at my search history, I am fucking done. I look at the weirdest shit, because I have to. Weird psychological shit for why did this person do this? Like who the hell, what normal person has that shit

on their thing? So anyway, six weeks after the disappearance, so it's December, it's coming up and I think this coincides just with Christine's birthday as well, December 22nd. She disappeared the end of October. So six weeks later, her mom, or no, her aunt actually, decides to call a couple of psychics to help because the cops aren't helping. And if you're not a person, if your business isn't finding people, it's hard to find people if you're not a detective.

So they call on the psychics. This is Karen Hurley, the aunt, reaches out to a pair of sisters who say they have psychic abilities here Okay, they I guess this woman had a family connection who worked with the psychics on another case in Pittsburgh So she makes the call. This is Suzanne Vincent and Jean Mackenzie Vincent. They are the quote-unquote psychic sisters So they're in their early 50s at the time They are the quote unquote psychic sisters. So they're in their early 50s at the time. Yeah, still working because they somehow don't have enough power to know the lottery number.

To know any of that, to know a good stock fucking. They didn't know to invest early in Microsoft. They had no idea. Nothing. So they work as a team, this team here. Suzanne hears things and Gene gets visions. One person gets audio, one person gets video, and they have to sync up the fucking feeds at some point and figure out how this goes together.

Which is wild. I guess Gene they say, or she says, I would say, they say, say cuz she says that her visions are like watching a movie She just sees everything happening. They say their gift is ever-present. It can't ever be turned off and Aurors are around them at all times. They're just constantly seeing this stuff. They can't stop it. It's a gift and a curse. Yeah, terrible so Jean said that many people have this gift. And like musicians, some have strong innate natural talents while others are able to work their way up from basics to proficiency with practice. So you can practice being psychic and it'll come to you.

This just sounds like remote viewing, which is a government program in like the 70s, 60s, 70 70s where they were actually trying to have people do be able to do remote viewing and control things with their mind from other places. This is a CIA pro. We spent billions on this. Billions of dollars we spent on this. Look up. We'll do a bonus on remote viewing. It's fucking wild. And there's people that claim that they saw into a terrorist cell and then a bomb, they shot them all. It was fucking crazy. We'll talk about it. We'll definitely do a bonus. I'm going to write that down so we know. Because I think our viewers, our listeners, our viewers,

our remote viewers would be interested in that. So the sister said, what we're doing, it's working. We've been told by police many times, what you just told me was privy to only the killer and us. Many times. Many times. Too many to count. That tells me these chicks are bad women.

They're committing crimes. They've been definitely probably scheming a lot of people or scamming them. I don't know. So Suzanne said she started getting a read from the aunt over the phone. Oh. Right over the phone she was getting it. She said- I don't think it would be in the same room. She said, a slender blonde girl, a struggle between two men and a woman, a sense that

something very bad happened. She got right away. This is much later, by the way, she's saying this stuff that we know about it, but she's saying it publicly. Her sister Jean shared there and shared her visions with the family as well. And the aunt said this about the psychics, right off the bat, they started telling me things that had happened. I didn't even have to say a word like her having a tattoo and what had happened. Christine was coming through and talking to them, guiding them. It was eerie because of how much they did know. This was also very publicized for six weeks that there was a woman missing and there was

a description of her literally on a fucking poster before these people even got involved. I have the poster that says, here's her height, here's her weight, this is what she looks like last seen with these people, she has a tattoo here. All they had to do was see a missing. They had to Google it. It's 2007. Yeah. So 2007 when everybody had a tattoo. So all you got to say is the other thing she have a tattoo. She have a tattoo. Is it a butterfly? Do I see? I see see a bird a butterfly in her general general Possibly or maybe up toward the I don't know. I'm seeing in the lung maybe area. There's a Suzanne said this quote

This is one of the psychic sisters then I heard the name as vividly as could be the name Tia shouted from my spirit guides as vividly as could be. The name Tia shouted from my spirit guides. Really? Oh yeah. I said Tia has dark hair and she has a connection with the short male. They're cousins and he's the meanest. Oh my god. Yeah. This is later. She's saying she said that by the way. This isn't none of the family said she said that. This is her telling the press later.

She said I was actually fearful of those guys. Their energy was the worst I've ever felt. They were some pretty dangerous people. So the sisters say they don't even charge to look for missing people. Is that right? No, no, they say service. I know there are people out there that take advantage of the families of missing people. They give them false hope. But this is Lynn talking, but these ladies never asked for a dime ever. And that really means a lot They genuinely just want to help and they might they might have altruistic goals here. That's possible So Lynn gets her own search team going on here though

There's about 90 volunteers one day that gather on a Saturday morning at the Bird Road farmhouse where she was last seen They got rubber boots gloves gloves, and they're trying to find something. They're trying, it's 67 acres of fields, woods, and swamp in the local area. That's where they're all going to look. In December? In December, yeah. So, or this is early spring or whatever. So it was organized by a resident named Stephanie Burke and they get all these different groups together and Stephanie Burke said, I'm so proud of our town. At least we don't, if we don't find anything today, everyone will know that all, uh, can

be all that can be done has been done. And if we do find something, it'll be bittersweet, but then Lynn can have some closure two hours into the search on the edge of the woods woods not far from the road there, Dawn Nichols, a local searcher, found a bone. Oh. That's not good. So they call everybody over, they hurry over to take a look at the bone. It was leaning against the bottom of a tree and they're like, oh my God.

So what she found turned out to be a deer bone though. We just found deer bones in our woods two days ago. We were like, oh, bones. It happens. When I saw that animal down there. You saw a whole carcass, yeah. I saw a scapula of a deer and I was like, oh, that's a person. Yep, yep.

It looks like people bones. It's crazy. There's bones that match up pretty decently here. So they said her mother found out it was a deer and let out a long breath and was upset here. One of the people, they said, why are you helping the search? And this lady said, I have a daughter and I know if it were my daughter, I'd want all the help I can get.

So yeah, this is about, they scour the woods and then they emerge finding nothing. They found a quote a strange pile of sticks. Strange pile of, in other words, nothing. You found nothing. Yeah. And a few old beer and soda cans again, could have blown out of the garbage and a deer bone. That's what they found. So you found nothing essentially, which isn't their fault. They're just searching, but that's what they found. So you found nothing essentially, which isn't their fault, they're just searching.

No, great job. So many searches have happened. The property around the house has been scoured several times. They did everything they could. Lynn said, I think this is wonderful. It's great to be part of something with everybody instead of us trampling through the woods by ourselves. Lynn tries social media, the limited amount of social media that was available in 2007.

She said that Christine was super into MySpace. So she said that she would do the same thing. She'd get on MySpace. She said, I quote, I saw Christine playing on MySpace. So I figured this is the way you got to go. When she went missing, I learned how to do it. Then it's like a mom network. You reach out to different people and they tell you different things. So, shit is going for a

long fucking time here. Yeah. So this is like 2008, mid 2008, a body is found. Really? A body is found. And Lin realized during this body finding and as this goes on that different cases are handled differently She said that the cops didn't give a shit about her daughter because her daughter was trash quote-unquote to them Basically, we're white trash and they don't give a fuck about us. That's what she's saying Yeah, she said that's how it's going and she said they're not looking for her because she's trash She said she even overheard one investigator call Christine a sponge on society because she didn't have a steady work history Dude, what the fuck? So she said quote before we found Christine there was a body found in Pocomoke. It belonged to a prostitute

She thought they thought it was Christine at first but it turned out to be a prostitute. She said, that same person that told me about my daughter being a sponge on society, I asked him, is this my daughter? And he goes, no, you don't have to worry about it. That's not her. I said, are you sure? And he goes, yeah, she's an undesirable. This one, the one that we just found.

So that's not great bedside manner. Why is that guy in charge of anything with dead people involved? Well, don't talk to you can be other cops you guys can be shitty cuz that's just that's just gallows humor I get it. It's just treating everybody like an investigator. That's hard. Yeah, this is the victim Potential victims mother here. Come on So she said this is what Lynn said family, well liked by the community, it's all a perception of what somebody is, I think, that gets the attention.

If Christine had come from Means and she was well respected in the community, I think a lot of things would have been done differently. And she might be right, who knows, we have no fucking idea. So they said, but I mean also, a lot of times they look at a person's history and they go 95% of the time this person runs away. That's what they take off to go do something else. So I get their point of view. 95% of the

time when there is somebody found it's that person. And then you feel like those people keep making us look for people. It's never, you know. Yeah, yeah. You keep doing this to us, we don't like it. That's fucking crazy. So the sheriff said that there are times when maybe that one person hears someone talking about the case or just that one person can put a vehicle or a suspect at a scene.

That can ultimately break a case and bring a successful closure. But he also said that while media exposure can help to find those missing pieces, it's also isn't very useful if each case isn't covered in the same way. He said, I really can't answer why they would pick one case over another. All missing person cases are of utmost importance to law enforcement agencies. Not sure about that, but whatever. That's the company line. That's why he's probably tasked with talking to the press,

because he'll say shit like that, rather than, I don't know, we found an undesirable in a state of decomposition. Yeah, a pretty blonde white woman tends to get the public's attention more and the media's attention more, which is super annoying. Which that Zuckerstien is. Is that right?

She's a five foot, 300 pound blonde woman. But happens to be a mother of three, and living in a shit place. No job. They're just looking at her as white trash. That's all. So 2008 as it goes on there's no new information. Lynn who had been talking to like Tia and those people trying to keep them in the loop and maybe figure out if they knew anything more about it. She stops returning Lynn's calls. Everybody's moved on. Hale, the young guy, he ends up moving to Texas.

And Junior Jackson moves to Tennessee. Everybody's just kind of split up. The band breaks up and everybody moves away. This is over the next year, year and a half. February 2009 though, Junior's in trouble. Oh, what'd he do in Tennessee? He's in trouble. Well, he found himself in jail in Hamilton County, Tennessee as a suspect of an arson

investigation. So, he's been burning shit. And March 2009, Lynn gets a letter from Junior Jackson in jail. Is that right? Absolutely. And he is at this point Tia's ex-boyfriend. Oh, they've broken up. Yeah, and he wrote to Lynn from a prison and he says that he, at this point,

he's looking for a plea deal on an arson charge and he tells Lynn, I know where your daughter is. Oh boy. More specifically, I know where her body is. Yeah. I know she's dead and I know where your daughter is. Oh boy. More specifically, I know where her body is. Yeah. I know she's dead and I know where you can find her. I know where the rest of her is. So, yeah, so obviously Lynn tells the cops about this and the cops go to Junior and they

end up working out a deal on that arson shit to get rid of that if he'll tell the cops what happened to Christine. So he does. First of all, he claims, and so does Tia, and we don't know how true it is, that Christine was having a sexual relationship with Justin, the 17-year-old, for a while. That was going on. Okay? Then, apparently, this is what the police will say that everybody says that Junior says that Christine and Junior started having an affair behind Tia's back. Okay. So, this is what Junior claims that Christine wanted more from the relationship, quote unquote.

I don't know what more you could want when you are all in the same house with the girlfriend, but he said I didn't, I told her I couldn't, I didn't want to. So he said that Christine threatened to tell Tia about their relationship and fuck their thing up. So they said, okay, so this is according to Junior. On November 13th, 2007, the day Christine was last seen, Christine and Junior, Tia went out to run errands and Christine's children were asleep. So Christine and Junior slipped off into the woods

to have sex in the woods. Yeah. So they went out and had sex in the woods, is what he claims. He claims that his roommate Justin, who had a crush on Christine, and we don't know, may or may not have been having a relationship Whether or whatever

followed them Okay, and then after junior left that Justin killed Christine with a two-by-four beat her to death with it Oh boy, because he was jealous. That's his story, huh? Yeah, he said that Junior said he had nothing out to do with the homicide at all. He said I was gone. He came out and I wasn't even there. I don't even know what happened. But that I was the mastermind of getting rid of the body he said though. I helped with that. He said that from what he understood Justin struck Christine three or four times in the head with a two by four and just breaks her, broke her whole

face as she said. The police at this point put out a statement that says Mr. Hadal struck Christine Shetty in the face with what was described as a piece of wood, then stabbed her lifeless body with a knife just to be sure she was dead. That comes out later, by the way. Christine Shetty died as a result of blunt force trauma to her skull so severe that it almost fractured all of the bones in her forehead. Rage. As we'll find out later. Rage. Hadel eventually, I guess, told Tia Johnson when the two were

in a car together at a gas station later on that day. So now they have to get rid of Christine, okay? So Tia Johnson's driving, we have Tia, we have Butch, or Junior, we have Justin, and we have Tia's two kids in the car. Get the fuck out. We're taking the kids to dump a body, everybody. Okay. And let's go to the house. And I go, well, I don't know if that

the house or if they went back with the grandmother at this point or I don't know what happened with the kids. So that's why I'm saying we don't know exactly where, but they must have been at the house. If they, if they were left with the grandmother, she wouldn't have been charged with child desertion and all that. They're left with a perfectly responsible person who's happy to have them. So anyway, he claims that Justin, this is Junior, that Justin and Tia took the body to the nearby river house in Bed and Breakfast. That's where it is. He said that he buried Christine's remains in the backyard where construction was underway and he drew a map of exactly where the body was buried

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that we don't know about buried on the property somewhere. Holy shit. You can glance out the window and maybe see people burying a body. Junior and Tia both worked there. That's why they did it. Okay, yeah. They buried her between the fence line and a guest house at the River House Inn where they had worked. They said that after midnight on November 14th,

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and they finally stumble upon a tennis shoe, which leads to the rest of the body of Christine. She was there. That is fucked up. Really fucked up. An 18-inch grave, and nearby on a piece of wood, Junior was carved. Which is, they were like, um.

What the fuck, dude? What the fuck, but he used to, he worked, he was a landscaping guy, they were like, um, what the fuck, dude, what the fuck? But he used to, he worked, he was a landscaping guy there for a while. So he could have done that anytime, but that's, that's not good. If your name is carved in wood next to where you buried a corpse, that's, that looks bad for you is what I'm getting at. Okay. The medical examiner testified that the body showed evidence of strong blows delivered to the face, the back of the head and the ribs. Just pummeled this poor girl. Um, they said based on varying locations, it would have been more than one time and at least three times. Lynn said when the police brought her in to see her daughter's remains,

cause she insisted what was left of her skull had been shattered from the eyebrows down. Her whole face was broken. Fucking horrible. Horrible. And Junior says, by the way, that that wasn't the first place they buried her. They moved this poor girl. They moved her that day. First they buried her in a shallow grave near the wood line of the farmhouse, but then they said that's the first place they're going to look for her, is on this property, which is true because they scoured it for months. Let's move her so then they dug her back up put her in the car with the kids at fucking two in the morning and took them to Bariah Boddy.

So federal marshals track down Justin in Texas and they say that he will probably not face capital punishment for the killing though. We won't face the death penalty as they said in order to get the death penalty in Maryland there Has to be certain aggravating factors that are not offset by mitigating factors and they said I don't think this is the type of case It's going to have the aggravating factors robbery rape things like that so they said that Lynn at this time wouldn't didn't say anything publicly or anything a Lynn at this time didn't say anything publicly or anything. A spokesperson for the family said at this time she's in seclusion with Christine's children,

helping them to begin the healing process. I can tell you they are comforted to know that their mommy did not leave them. Yeah, for three years they've been worried. Where's mommy? We don't know. So Junior and Justin both claim that Tia was plenty involved, by the way. Once they get him in there, they're like, oh, she was intricate in this. Yeah. They asked her to help cover up the crime. She wasn't involved in the murder, but she certainly was involved in the cover up. I mean, she took her kids along for Christ's sake and she acted as a lookout in an upstairs

window while they buried the body. In the guest house. Yeah. She looked, that's a good view there. Justin, while in jail jail talks to a cell mate and he tells a cell mate that not only did he indeed beat her with a two by four but also, and this was not released to the public, the medical examiner's report didn't release this, that he used a kitchen knife to quote poke her up as he put it. I poked her up and then he discarded the creek the the knife and the two-by-four in the creek later on

So T is gonna confess to her role Yeah, she said that you know It was Justin who confessed to her of the killing not jr. Junior said she told T about he told T about it T I said no no Justin told me about it not fucking butch or not Junior T has said that Justin admitted that to her that he'd killed Christine and scared her into silence Tia says that Christine and Justin were involved in a sexual relationship in late 2007. That's what she tells the cops So he might have been jealous of a lot of shit Justin So they were all staying at the house and she said that evening she

returned to the property no one was there except for Christine's two kids. So she said that Hadel and Jackson later returned saying they were looking for Christine after she took off because that was their story. But then she said Justin told me that he and Christine were arguing over sex related issues. Yeah. And he was swinging a shovel and hit her with it. He said it was an accident. So that's what he told Tia apparently, but we know that's not true because we know

it wasn't a shovel. He Tia said she didn't immediately tell the cops or anybody else because she was concerned for the safety of herself and her children. She said Justin could be crazy. She also was worried that everybody could go to jail. She said that Justin told me I couldn't tell anyone or he would come after me next. So the psychics claim they help crack the case after this is all done. Three years later, one of the guys admitted to it because he was up for arson. That's what cracked the case. But they say there's an article that says, well, police and prosecutors are dubious of

that assertion. Lynn said that their input was another tool in helping out what helping to find what happened to her daughter. She said, as far as the information they gave me, a lot of it was spot on, especially as far as where she was found. Two males, one Hispanic, one of them having light eyes. You don't just pull that out of a hat. I believe they have a gift.

I really do. The Vincent sisters said they've kept early email correspondences containing markers, they call it, which are notable clues that came to them by use of clairvoyance or remote viewing. They even called it remote viewing. That proved their abilities. They said there was one call, they have several markers, an email provided they included a physical description of Christine, the fact that she had two sons, and the vision of being pricked with a knife and rolled in a rug.

There's no rug involved here. Three days later in another reading, more markers came up. Christine had been buried in a shallow grave near a series of bungalows. It was near water in a place where a place where boats could tie up and there was a sign in front of the main building. Any business in a tiny in a peninsula. You're on a fucking peninsula. Everything's near the water. Where boats come. Then Jean, the one sister had the balls to say if the police would have done their job with the notes we gave Lynn, they could have found the suspects if they'd just done a little background research.

So, if police would have just let us be in charge of the investigation, obviously this would have been fine. They just need us to be sergeants, co-sergeants. Yeah, to search everywhere that has bungalows in the state of Maryland. What the fuck are you talking about? Then she said you still need law enforcement to get the suspect. We're just another tool. You got that fucking right.

You're a tool. That's that part you nailed. I don't know if you had remote viewing for that. The cops say calm down sisters. Suzanne said her first contact with law enforcement was with a detective and he didn't blow her off, but he listened. She said, you certainly know a lot of intimate details about certain people. That's what Suzanne said that she was told by the cop.

He said that he wanted to be open-minded here, uh, to psychics, but the cop said that she didn't offer anything specific, only generality. She's near water. She's near an A-frame house. But they could never pinpoint where on God's green earth that might be. And on the East Coast, the amount of A-frame homes is crazy. Yeah, near water on a peninsula. So they said, according to this guy, he said the sisters provided no information that directly

assisted with the case. He said, I don't want to make it seem as if it's some kind of scam They're sincere in what they believe but he's like they believe they believe they do this shit He said but I can only speak to this instance looking back. There's a lot of similarities But at the time they really didn't lead us in any particular direction. It's not a direct scam, but it's like Bullshit, it's you know kind of horse shitty. You know that sort of thing Bullshit, it's you know kind of horse shitty. You know that sort of thing Yeah, so hadel is charged with Justin is charged with first-degree murder and first and second-degree assault Yeah, he goes to trial. He's got a jury of six men and six women and he wants a new lawyer But the judge denies him one in the beginning of the trial calling the judge called it a delay tactic in a case

That's already dragged on for too long. The openings here the prosecutor said Mr. Hadel struck Christine Shetty in the face with what was described as a piece of wood then stabbed her lifeless body with a knife just to be sure she was dead. Christine Shetty died as a result of blunt force trauma to her skull so severe that it fractured almost all the bones in her forehead. So they say that six days later, after a witness came forward, the assistance of US Marshals, Mr. Hadel was found over 1400 miles away. He says that since his arrest, they haven't been publicly discussed all this, but the prosecutor tells the jurors that they will hear from a cellmate of Hadel with whom he

told all this shit details. So the defense, the opening statement says that, you know, he's pleading not guilty and he's not guilty basically, very short opening here. Tia testifies, they call her testimony reluctant, and she testifies to everything we said before. So we know all the info. During closing arguments here, the defense says that Tia Johnson's a terrible witness with no credibility. That's what this is about. So you can't believe her, so my client's innocent.

He said the only way Tia Johnson can get out of this and that Junior Jackson can get out of this is to say that Justin confessed with no one else around. She said Tia lied on November 27, 2007. She lied to police on February 23, 2010, and she lied to you yesterday on the stand. Oh boy. And they also, the defense attorney shows a picture of the piece of wood with Junior carved on it near the gravesite. And he says, King Junior killed Christine Shetty. That's what he said. Here's your autograph of the guy that did it. Yeah.

Yup. The prosecution says there's not a single piece of evidence that justifies the statement of the defense attorney that Clarence Jackson killed Christine Shetty. There's no physical evidence that links anyone with the death of Christine Shetty but the defendant. They said Tia Johnson loves Junior Jackson, yes, but Justin hadel is family. She wouldn't throw him away for her ex-boyfriend. Jury has three hours of deliberation. They find him guilty of shit. Guilty as balls, moving on. But there's three months between the conviction and the sentencing. So he's sitting in jail for three months. He must be bored while he's in there, Justin. Why?

Because he removed a foot long hinge from an observation window at the county jail and used it to pry open a security window casing and tried to escape. Oh boy. But was caught trying to escape. So now he's got more charges instead of less problems he's got more. So the judge during sentencing said there's nothing more horrible for a parent or family member to endure. You knew full well she was never going to be found because she was in a hole in Snow Hill. The judge called it a charade and a cruel hoax that the community spent two

years and three months searching for her while he knew her location all along. The judge says the burial in the backyard of the house there, the River Inn house, was depraved and no better suited for a cat or a dog than a person. He also said Justin, while incarcerated, reportedly spoke ill of Christine and her family to other inmates as well. To the judge, that meant that Justin showed, quote, not a shred of remorse. No kidding.

You, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Oh, shit. Yeah, he was 17. Oh. He's 19 now, but still. Oh, shit. That is a long time he just gave. I think he deserves it because I think he did sleep with her and thought there was something

and then he got jealous and followed them. He saw them go out there. And then beat a woman to death in the woods. But what I want to know is why the fuck did Junior just leave her out in the woods alone? I think he took off. That's what I mean. I don't know if he took off and left her. Was he involved too?

She had to get it out of her or whatever. I don't know. I don't know if he took off and left her. Was he involved too? She had to get it out of her or whatever, I don't know. That's a, I don't know, who knows? Left her to put her clothes back on? Maybe I'll get out of here and you come out after so that doesn't look like we were together. Yeah, it looks like we were taking separate woods wanders. We were just having a little nature walk, each of us. So Lynn said since she went missing,

I've been working this case every day, this closes a chapter. We buried her and that was one thing. But today someone was held responsible. I'm so grateful they believed in me and believed in my daughter and got justice for her today. I never wanted revenge, only justice. My daughter got a death sentence. Her children and family got life without parole. Yeah. You can't just murder girls that are sweet enough to fuck you. You dick. That's a good girl. And it's not fair. You can't just murder girls that are sweet enough to fuck you, you dick. That's, what a good girl. She was a nice person.

Nice, decent person. So she said, it feels like having a weight lifted off my shoulders. They said, well, was this about the psychics? Did they solve the case? And she said, they didn't solve the case. I mean, I know that, but if law enforcement had just sat down to listen to them,

maybe they would have found her earlier. No, they wouldn't have have until someone told you exactly where she was you're not gonna find her They had no lead to go to that fucking house. No, absolutely not So the prosecutor said there might even be more arrests after this. They're exploring charging additional people 2012 Tia Johnson and jr. Jackson. Those are the people they're charging, they take plea deals. Oh, okay. Smart move. Yeah. Yeah.

They both submitted an Alford plea, which isn't an admission of guilt, but acknowledges that you will be convicted if you go to trial. They've got enough evidence. We're fucked. So sentencing here, prosecutor said that however Christine and Junior were having a sexual relationship here and she wanted more tried to go through the whole thing they said the whole you know narrative of it Jackson's defense attorney said his client wanted to be held responsible

for his actions and get back with his own daughter and the judge said the irony in his statement is he only wants to get back with his daughter he has a daughter while mrs. Dodenhoff does No matter what I do, it doesn't change the end results of his actions. That's the frustration of the court. Absolutely. Lynn said, I just can't wrap my head around how someone could callously beat someone to a pulp and then go on with their life as if nothing has happened. Christine didn't deserve to die in the way she did. Junior speaks too. He's got to eat some shit here. He said, I hid where your daughter was. I did not kill her, but the fact that I hid her for so many years

is just as bad. I am deeply sorry from the bottom of my heart, said that to Lynn. He called himself, he said that he was the mastermind and the utmost ringleader behind the cover-up after the murder took place. He said, I didn't kill her, but all the bring-ly, I wasn't just as bad as what he said. He really threw himself on his sword, this guy here. He said, it was my idea to bury her at the Riverhouse Inn. And he told the judge also that he's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and is being medicated for it now. He's kind of a bad guy. So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison for you.

Oh, OK. All but 30 years suspended for being an accessory to first degree murder after the fact. So we got 30. He got basically 30. So he got 30. Now Tia, her public defender here, noted how Tia could not have been even on the property

when the murder occurred. And she had nothing to do with carrying or burying the bus she just drove the car and looked out that's all she did so the prosecutor said yes she also had numerous opportunities to tell everybody what the fuck happened and gets enclosure yeah she said I he said I firmly believe but for mr. Jackson's desire to get out of jail in Tennessee ms. Shetty's remains would still be buried under that bread and breakfast, and this case would remain unsolved. Ms. Johnson, every day from 2007 on, had the opportunity to tell the truth, and she never did.

Now, the defense said, throughout her life, other people's wills have been imposed on Tia. She wasn't present when the murder took place. She was presented with circumstances and was told what to do. The judge says, that might all be true and everything, but quote, maybe, just maybe that night, somebody might understand that, but many, many days went by when she knew what happened.

Yeah, that night she was scared. Sure. The next day when she took her kids to school, she could have went to the police station afterwards, is what they're saying. Or nothing, just the next day. Those two dudes moved out of state eventually. Yeah, and she just went on.

The judge said, she drove the car, but there was much, much more than that. Ms. Johnson was up to her eyeballs in that cover-up, and she was not under the will of Jackson and Hadel for all those years. And he said, those tears and this blood are, oh, she wrote in a journal that these tears and blood these tears and blood are for you. I want to die and be with her. She didn't deserve to die on my watch. And she's got a juror.

She writes about cutting herself in her journal. The judge says that, um, that's all nice and dandy and all. Um, at least they're going to be able to move on in some fashion. Obviously it's going to be difficult. Tia says, I apologize to everyone involved, especially Lynn and her family and everything they're going through. I'll pay for my actions for the rest of my life. There's no happy ending for anyone involved here, but maybe now the healing can begin. I do know I will pay for my actions for the

rest of my life. I see the pain in my children's eyes. I suffer and grieve every day as well. Lynn said out of all three, she is the one for which I hold the most contempt. Absolutely. She said she's a woman and a mother and I'm sad to share her gender. Wow. That's why you're a disgrace to vaginas. I hate my vagina because you have one. Wow.

To all to say all she did was drive the car. There's a lot more to it than that. my vagina because you have one. Wow. To say all she did was drive the car, there's a lot more to it than that. She had her own children in the car and waited while the body was buried and then never told. What kind of a mother would make another mother go through this pain and agony? The judge says, you man may fuck off.

She gets a sentence of five years for the same accessory charge plus ten years for a third-degree burglary for a total sentence of 15 years but with seven and a half years suspended what so seven and a half years to your gut hmm I think you get extra just for bringing your kids with you you don't bring your kids to a body burial that's fucking mob guys don't Ted Bundy never brought kids along. That's crazy so 2013 by the way, they changed the Maryland law about accessory after the fact. Yeah, it used to be a maximum of

whatever it was they increased the maximum amount of penalty that you can get for being a whatever it was, they increased the maximum amount of penalty that you can get for being a accessory after the fact. Yeah, because of this. Yeah, totally. I guess they, it was, I think it was 10 years. Yeah. I went from the maximum penalty increases from five to 10 years for being an accessory to first or second degree murder after the fact. So that's passed. It's called the Shetty Bennett Act. Very nice. So they even put her name on it that's nice. 2015 Justin appeals saying that he proclaimed an open court his decision to fire his attorney but the judge declined to hear him out and said he was a time-wasting tactic and the appeals court said fucking reversed can't do that. Yeah. So it's reversed at this point for Justin's conviction,

but he's offered a deal here. He's gonna take the deal. He avoids a retrial, because they said, we're gonna retry you on first degree murder otherwise. So they said, are you willing to take this deal? And he does take a deal here. This agreement exposes him to a prison term

of 30 years instead of life. Lynn, they asked Lynn and she said it was very hard listening to everything again. It's the start of a big conclusion so there's no wiggle room. This is done. He can't keep appealing and making me come back here. It's just been a long time, eight years. She said, you know what, if he can't appeal it anymore, fuck it. It everybody is done great so they said that he gets life in prison with all but 30 years suspended so he gets exactly what Jackson got which seems the person who actually did a murder has to get a little more than a person who didn't so long a two by four into a tiny woman's head that's fuck yeah then in 2016 the psychic sisters

appeared on investigation discovery show six degrees of murder and they're touting that they solved this case. And she said, when I tried to get an image of Shetty's body, I kept seeing an image of bungalows. I knew her body was buried somewhere near them. I kept feeling a connection to Texas that someone involved in this case had a relationship to Texas. Well, this is years later. Given a, lady. Yeah. By the way, here are some also services they offer currently on their website. Connecting with loved ones who have crossed over to the other side,

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with these ladies too. Dowsing, psychic development classes, aura readings, ghost hunting classes, Egyptian tarot cards, and angel oracle cards, aura readings, ghost hunting classes, Egyptian tarot cards and angel oracle cards, and they do ghost hunting as well. The final insult on top of all this, June, 2021, Christine's 10th grade son dies. Oh my God. Her son Ezekiel, who apparently had just completed the 10th grade is dead in June of 2021. I just know found his obituary. I don't know how he died, but that is terrible here. And also in 2018,

the prosecutor of all of this attorney, Bo Oglesby is in a shitload of trouble. He was sending letters around in the office, just using the N word constantly. What? In 2014 and 15 we're talking about. Sir. Constantly. I mean, it's wild, dude. All the time. So he got in a lot of trouble too. So there you go everybody.

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