Small Town Murder - #557 - Suburban Ax Murder Mystery - Brighton, New York

Episode Date: January 2, 2025

This week, in Brighton, New York, a woman is brutally murdered with an ax, in her very comfortable suburban home, making everyone wonder if a crazed killer was on the loose. Detectives seem to have no clue who could have done this, until a old neighbor, with a violent past confesses. But police still don't think he's the guy, and focus on the late woman's husband. Who did it? The neighborhood murderer, or the mild mannered economist husband??Along the way, we find out that the Holiday Inn is very erotic in Rochester, that police shouldn't watch "A Current Affair" for help with their police work, and that sometimes, justice is a real head scratcher!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. This week in Brighton, New York, a perplexing mystery unfolds after a horrifying axe murder is discovered in a quiet suburban home, leaving police suspicious of the spouse, even though there's a career criminal down the street. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh yay indeed Jimmy, yay indeed. My name is James Petragallo, I'm here with my co-host. I, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed.

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Why there's a reason for that because we're assholes, but but we're not scumbags. See how that works Yeah, it's real easy to do So if you think that true crime and comedy though are never go together and you don't want to hear that well Then I don't know why you're even listening to the show But it might not be what you think so check it out. No complaining later. That's said everybody. I think it's time Yeah, just sit back. Let's all take deep breaths here. We go arms to the sky. Let's all shout Murder Let's do this everybody.

Hey. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. Let's get into this. We are going to New York this week. Yeah. Been a while since we've been to New York, actually. Sure has.

So gonna be a thing here. We are going to Brighton, New York. This is in Western New York, outside of Rochester. Like, it's only about 10 minutes outside of Rochester. So this is like Rochester suburbs, which is about an hour and 15 minutes away from Buffalo And up in that cold lake effect snow quadrant of the state there almost six hours to New York City Yeah, and if you if you look it up on a map how to get there and just say, you know bright in New York to New York City you have to go through two other states to get there

just say Brighton, New York to New York City. You have to go through two other states to get there. Jesus. It goes Pennsylvania, then New Jersey, and then you go up to New York State, to New York City. If you went through New York, it takes even longer. It's fucking crazy. And it is about three hours and 15 minutes to Walted New York, which was our last episode from New York,

which was Runaway Husband, episode 502, which was a fun episode. So this week there, there's the county for this week show is in Monroe County Brighton, New York is in and it is area code 5 8 5 and a little bit of history here The town was named for Brighton England Obviously which looks nothing like this. That's a beach town With like, you know all sorts of piers and boardwalks and like ferris wheels and shit. It's definitely not.

A gathering place. It's definitely not a cold gray Western New York suburb for sure. Dump snow. You know, one of those. The first Europeans in this area were French trappers in the 1600s who would visit here but didn't settle here. They're like, listen, we'll go out there and get some fur and then go back to where it doesn't snow four feet at a time

Thank you English colonists Burt built permanent structures in about 1790 that's a took a long time to for that to happen here and they have formally established a town in 1814 Making it one of the oldest towns in Monroe County It was mainly a farming community and they also made bricks here Seasonably farming obviously. Yeah season. Yeah that that month that three weeks of summer that you get I feel like is a big deal and then they made they got fires burning. They made bricks. Yeah That's how it happened. But that's it was like a you know

farms and brick manufacturing and then it slowly became suburbs like an upscale suburb basically of Rochester when they got rid of all that shit. In 1999 the town purchased 64 acres with the intention of developing a central park. They don't have a central park. With the intention. Intention. They this this land and now it's it's still there but it's not exactly a landscaped part they'll get to it they also projects like that around my house I get oh I tons of shit I haven't I've been sitting there for two years yeah I'll get to it I just usually don't purchase 64 acres of land first the only difference. They had the Alcoa Carefree home back in the day,

which was the first, it's become, Alcoa is the aluminum company of America, by the way. And big deal, and back, they were an even bigger deal when we made shit out of aluminum more than just cans, basically. So back, they wanted to make aluminum houses. So they had these model homes. This is this there that you could see

and they built all these model homes and then nobody ever said that's a good idea. So they never built their house out of this shit. Didn't work. Because you know trailers and stuff. Yeah you know a lot of people with aluminum houses. No not on a foundation I'll tell you that much. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. That's what then after that they were like, okay,

people don't want to build their homes out of aluminum. What if we just fucking encase the home in aluminum? How about that? Maybe that we can get them to do that. The Stone Hole Tolan house is also here, which is a historic place. It's just a really old farmhouse. Okay. It's there. Famous people that have lived here and are from here. Kristen Wiig is from here, I believe. Is that right? SNL actress. And then Frederick Douglass lived here for a long time. So that was pretty cool too. So.

Lived here? Lived here for a while. Is that right? I don't think he was from here. I think he was from other places. No, but it's a fascinating choice of place to settle when you're an American hero. I guess. I don't know. I guess he likes the snow is all I can imagine.

He wants to watch bricks be made back in the day. I'm not sure. So reviews of this town. Let's find out what we got here because we've never been here. What the hell do we know about this place? Here is one. Here's five stars. And this is basically a review of a shopping plaza.

It has nothing to do with the town I love it when people completely misunderstand the assignment Yeah, and give you something that nobody wants, but this is the reason Frederick Douglas was there. That's what he was there Well, yeah, it's the he was there for the Brighton Commons Plaza That's I believe he's the founding member of it probably yeah It says five-star shopping services and a great blend of dining. Brighton Commons Plaza is my favorite with easy parking. The merchants offer a variety of shopping options from gifts to upscale furniture and clothing, consignment and golf

tech for year-round lessons. Everybody knows Frederick Douglass loved golf tech. Well he liked the year-round lesson. See Frederick Douglass, everybody knows he had a long drive, but his short game was shit, and he really wanted to work on it. It was pretty weak, yeah. It was weak. I think Jesus. Terrible.

Chipping. Oh my god, you get that guy in a sand trap. Fuck it. Just there all day. Give him 12 strokes and move on, because it's not going to take a while. He's no good. He needed help. Terrible.

A spa, bridal salon, orthodontics, hair salon, dining, tailoring, and the best custard. Okay. All righty. One of Rochester's most recognized original shopping plazas. Again, this is on niche.com for the town of fucking Brighton. Has nothing to do with this plaza. I've got to start looking for a good custard. I'm telling you, I've never once been like where can I get good?

Custard never once happened Didn't even know there was whole stores just dedicated to custard Custard and sons just I never even had any idea Four stars here you have it all you would need you do you have it all you would need You have it all you would need. You do? You have it all you would need. The beautiful water's edge, the lush green parks, acres of apple orchards, wildlife

runs free. Does it? The suburbs of Rochester is just a majestic place to reside. And now we know. The suburbs of Rochester is a maj- They've been keeping it a secret. Majestic. Yeah. You know, like Alaska or something. It's majestic Okay

Then two stars finally. This is amazing two stars the people here seem friendly on the outside But a lot of them will insult you or talk bad about you behind your back. That's the whole review Okay shit talking back stabbing sons of bitches in this town on the outside. They look pleasant. There they are eating their custard looking all happy. You know, judging the shit out of you, you know that what's behind that though, you know, it's behind that custard grin. So you custard eating bastards, bright and full of custard eating motherfuckers. That's what it is. So speaking of eating, I was looking up places to like eat here, just looking for reviews of stuff and I found Joe's Brooklyn Pizza in Brighton. So I found this.

This place has 3.7 stars, which is not wonderful. Not great. And just a couple of these I have to read because they're goddamn hilarious. So you need to check them out here to maybe avoid this spot. Marie gives one star and this is a great review. Disgusting older man that makes pizza and burps and passes gas while making pizza. Three exclamation points. Stay out of my kitchen, Maria. Farts and burps while making pizza. I don't know.

I don't know how to tell you. I I don't know completely disgusting and unprofessional. Well listen I ate here that's the problem. That's the problem yeah you eat pizza three times a fucking day and see if you don't get a little gassy. That cheese okay that guy might have had a calzone for lunch you could have a just a three pounds of cheese in the sky. And then Mike one star. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna read the first fucking line of this

Gentleman who answers the phone on Saturdays around 6 p.m. Is a scumbag Phone you know he's a scumbag. Did he burp and fart while he was on the phone? Is that possible? This is mainly because they put you on hold without saying anything they say hold please Yes, if you call a pizza place on a busy Friday night, they hold hold hold and they're getting That is maybe the worst feeling in the world when you call somewhere and they answer and they say the place and go Please hold before they before you get to say a word. Anything.

That hurts. They don't even know what you're there for. That's demoralizing. They don't know if you're a telemarketer. They have no goddamn idea. You're just on hold. Population in this town, 36,986. Good size town, yeah.

Good decent size town. It's a, you know, suburbs here. Almost 52% women here in this town. So that's high, higher than the average. Median age is just above the average, 39.3, so that's just above the national average. It's about 50-50 married. A lot of the stats say upscale suburb.

Not a lot of people single with children, married with children here. Got a job, you work in Rochester, you drive here, you fucking, you know, mow the lawn on Saturday afternoon. I feel like it's that kind of town. Race of this town here, 76.3% white, 5.9% black, 10.8% Asian, which. Is that right?

I had no idea Western New York had a lot of Asian people. Had literally no clue. Twice as many Asians as black people which is a weird thing it's very strange. I mean I don't get me wrong have as many Asians as you like. You're allowed. I'm not I'm not telling you a you know a quota on your Asians that you have to have it's fine but that's what seems like a lot four point one percent Hispanic here Let's see religion 46.5 percent of the people here are religious which is a little bit lower than the national average But still pretty high and the most of anybody is Catholic shocker Oh as we know Catholics are the Baptists of the north so that we do know know. 1.4% Jewish, oh my goodness.

Golly, I love it. Oh my goodness, we get to sing the song. Ah dang, here we go. Let's do it. Havva, Nagila, Havva, Nagila, Havva, Nagila. I don't know the words. Hey! Hey!

All right. We love that. We got that. Let's see here. Median household income here is $75,852 a year, which is just above the national average. It's pretty good, yeah. Yeah, it's not bad.

It's kind of a wealthier suburb. Nice houses, big yards, that sort of thing. It's a nice area. Median home cost here, the cost of living we should say, 100 is regular average. Here it's 88. So a little bit lower housing here, median home cost $289,900. That's pretty good.

Not bad for like a nice upscale suburb here. And maybe we've convinced you that the only place you can lay your head is Brighton, New York. And if we have, we've convinced you, we have for you the Brighton New York real estate report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about thirteen hundred eighty dollars which is just above the national average but the house is decently affordable. Here is house number one this is kind of the average house that we'll give you here. This is a four-bedroom three bath 1780 square foot house so decent family house, you know, I mean couple of kids It's nothing special inside. It's kind of was clearly completely redone in like 2009

You could tell by the countertops things like that. Not a bad house. $289,999. Okay so that's kind of, that's what your average house is though in terms of the price. House number two is a four bedroom, three bath, 2812 square foot house and it actually is very similar to the house that's gonna be in our story this week. Oh. It looks similar. You can tell it's like in square foot house and it actually is very similar to the house that's going to be in our story this week. It looks similar, you can tell it's like in the similar type of neighborhood. Nice house, pretty decent. It is $775,000 bucks for that. Yeah, four bedroom three bath, 2,812 square feet. There's no acreage, it's like you know less than a half acre, but you know, decent size yard.

750. A little pricey, I would say. Then house number three, four bedroom, four bath, 3,247 square feet, T-bowl for each and every beehole. And this house, it's on 1.6 acres. It's the weirdest looking fucking house that's ever been in New York. It's a, it looks like a douchebag Hollywood producer in 1989 built it. Oh, I love it. It's got like those square, like you can't see through the glass things. Yeah.

With some windows and cubes. Yeah, this is not a nice house at all. It's real weird looking. I mean, it's a nice house. It's for somebody. It is somebody for a complete tool. It's a nice house Like if anyone saw this and went oh, that's awesome. You go. That's a douchebag right there You suck. This house is the equivalent of an Ed Hardy shirt and a pair of white Oakleys. That's what this house is fucking stupid

Um real annoying looking house. Allison who does our research here. She had a little two cents to add to this She says Zillow calls this a contemporary masterpiece. I call it an ugly piece of shit. There you go. That's how it works. And I agree with her ugly piece of shit here. That's why we like Allison. This is $1,345,000 for this monstrosity. It's weird to like, it's got thin, weird hallways. It's a real weird house. I would definitely not pay that money for that house things to do here. Oh boy here. It is everybody the Rochester erotic Arts Festival. Oh, yeah. Yes. Where is it? Do you think what's the most erotic place you can think of? sex stores, yeah

Close your clothes wiggly think of? Sex stores. Yeah. Close. You're close. Wiggly. You're close. It's the Holiday Inn in Auburn, New York. That's where it's at. That's sexy right there. The executive center. That's what I bet that continental breakfast is hot. Sexy hot. Coming down to make prints, make copies. What the fuck is going on here tiny boxes of Froot Loops and miniature yogurt hot sexy Yeah, this they say that the schedule includes hot edgy and beautiful erotic art edgy performances ranging from classy aerial dance to body burlesque Unique shopping for clothing jewelry and sex toys, of course. You've got to have those. Obviously. It's a sex festival. How do you not have that? Classes in art,

dance, and sex ed for adventurous adults. Okay. And it's the pictures of this. It looks like it's not who you're picturing doing this. You're picturing this is a very sexy thing. This is like a lot of people, a lot of mushy people in their 40s and 50s teaching each other how to use whips and shit, which is fine. Showing people the ropes of dildo play. But it looks about as erotic as a holiday inn

in Auburn, New York though, that's the difference. It's a little weird, but it does have maybe my favorite thing and a job that, god damn it, I wish I could do because I would do it in a fucking heartbeat. Sign language interpreters available all weekend. What a great job that is. I'd love to mime fucking, on your clit like that and then in there, you know, just but miming the whole thing would be fan

Shit, I need to be there for that some of the classes they have subvert the dominant paradigm Alter alternative models for dominant submissive relationships and it says owners and slaves Parents and offspring dubs subs and doms. I don't like the opening right there Owners and slaves parents and offspring the fuck does that say all are welcome is that? Weirdo sex people come on in like it's fine You're welcome. Do you like to fuck in a way that you're uncomfortable telling other people about? Here you go. Would your work people frown upon your sex life?

Well this is for you then. So yeah it says in a world that celebrates the erotic imagination it's funny how limited our relationship models tend to be. So there's that. Also have a cookie. Using rewards in your BDSM relationship. Oh or do that too Oh I think that is self-explanatory. You know you do the right thing you get a cookie apparently

which is what I want when I'm fucking his cookies and then for your own good using punishment in your BDSM relationships. Okay so you can either give them a cookie or punch them. Probably say the number one fantasy of BDSM kink is someone getting punished whether in pure fantasy or as some sort of a structured relationship, but many get it so wrong to explore the reasons for an effective methods of punishment to enhance and strengthen a relationship based upon authority and obedience. Holy shit. Next up, seducing the butt.

May as well. There you go. I really don't have to tell you much about that. That is super self explanatory. Be nice to it and it'll be nice to you. The description, just a lot of mention of lube in the description. Lots of lube mention. It will be taught by Luna Matatus.

That's her name. Ain't no passing phase. Then there's skills for g-spot and squirting joy. I think that's pretty explanatory. It's pretty self-explanatory and there's social gatherings as well. There's a... Of course! You gotta take this newly learned information... That joked me, okay.

This newly learned information and spread it around to the community. Okay. So there's the furries mixer. That's one. Whether you have a fur suit or not, or just love furries, you're welcome to come hang out and make some new friendships. They missed a, it could have said furships right there and they missed it. They blew it.

You blew it guys. And then if you're really into that, there's a pet play mixer. That's the petting zoo right? Yeah. Are you interested in active or active in pet play? This is an opportunity to meet other pets and pet owners ask questions dress as a pet and cavort with ponies puppies kitties and more For and whatever other dumb fucking costumes these idiots put on them

Then there's a littles social and craft hour does that mean children are there children here, please tell me that there's an age and craft hour does that mean children are there children here please tell me that there's an age restriction on this like a daycare center so you can go oh no no this is for baby people no yeah no join your little friends and their middles mommies daddies and caregivers for fun activities snacks and networking if you'd like to know more about the littles lifestyle you're welcome to join in the fun you can wear your baby or kids clothes or whatever you're comfortable in and it says bottoms must be covered, no dirty diapers allowed. You have to tell people please don't shit yourself in public. The fact that you have to tell them that.

Break character at least a little please. Holy ball, yeah use the bathroom. For sanitary sake. And they close it out with Sibian rides. Yeah. Which if you don't know what that is, it's a fuck machine. How are you gonna follow that? Yeah. Yeah, it's a fuck machine. You can't follow, that's a closer right there. That's a headliner.

If you can't come all day long, don't worry, the closure will do it. Don't worry. Oh my god, there's also a dungeon orientation, a Swingers 101, and then follow it all up with a breakfast buffet with omelette station because that's what I want after all this. On the last day we will have an omelette and check out. Make me a nice Denver omelette so once I've watched people in baby clothes fuck each other. After your guts have been rearranged on the inside by a Sibian, have a Denver omelette.

Yep, it's only 16 bucks for the omelet station. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, property crime just below the national average. So not too far below, but a little bit. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault is about one third of the national average. So very low, very low murder rate here.

That said, let's talk about murder. What do you say, everybody? Let's do it. Let's talk about some people first off here. Let's talk about James Krausenek Jr. All right, James Krausenek Jr.'s born in 1951. He grew up in the small town of Mount Clemens, Michigan. That's where he's from. Where the hell is that?

I think it's outside of Detroit, but like suburban Detroit. His family owned a carpet store. Krausenek Carpets. Jesus, you can just smell it in there. Like a 60s carpet store. Yeah. Flammable carpeting hasn't been made fire retardant yet.

Yeah, but it's got a chemical on it. You can't tell what it is, but there's no, what it is. You smell some shit. Yeah. It's a sheen of some kind. You walk in and go, what is that? Yeah. I smell something. Um, your house will smell like this. Oh, for like a year and a half. Yeah. Unless you really smoke a lot, then it'll, back then they'd go, I suggest smoking like two, three packs of cigarettes a day in here. It'll kill that carpet smell in a while. Don't worry about it.

So he meets a young lady named Kathleen Cathy, is what she goes by, Schlosser. She's born in 1952. They're like in the same class in school. So they meet in school, and they're just friends in high school. They're not going out or anything like that. But later on they will.

Now she is born to her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Robert Schlosser. She's the second oldest of six children. So I don't even know what the identity would be there. You're not a middle kid, you're not one of the younger ones, you're not the oldest. Kind of stuck in the middle there.

Her father was a truck driver and then he ran a gravel business named Schlosser Trucking. God damn. Robert sounds like a tough guy. He's been through some shit. Yeah. He's got very hard hands. Yeah. And I feel like if you run a gravel business, your voice is like this all the time.

No matter what. Yeah. You're gravel-y. Yeah. run a gravel business, your voice is like this all the time, no matter what. Yeah, you're gravelly. Gravelly, yeah. I feel like you could have a perfectly fine, you know, speaking voice and everything, a singing voice. And if you bought a gravel company, as soon as the paperwork went through, you'd be like, hello, Petro Gallo and Wissman Gravel.

It'd be a fucking disaster. It sounds like your larynx makes the gravel. Yeah, yeah. That's how you're making them yourself pumping them out now her mom would make all sorts of Polish food Oh, and that's a big deal like Kathy would have all the friends from her neighborhood would be over her yard was like the spot Where they all played and played soccer and hung out and shit So the mom would make Polish treats for the kids here come on over and have some food that tastes like it's turnt Come on over and have things with kraut on it Come get a pierogi is what that is that's really the only outside of lighting edible right?

Polish sausage or whatever like the only thing that I know is Polish is a pierogi. I'm not a fan of Polish Okay, bro. These are fine, but that's that's that's German. Yeah Yeah, I'll take a polish. It's like it's sour Tussos German shit where you think Sarah came from? It's got it like a there's some seasoning in there. I don't know what it is Yeah, yeah, but see brats. I love a brat, but yeah, sometimes they're a little too plain tasting for me There's not enough like she's whatever the fuck's in. I don't know what the fuck it is It's just it just tastes like meat. They've taken the flavor out of sometimes So you have to like load it up a mustard and all like I'd rather throw like a fucking hot Italian sausage in a bun

That's better that I can deal with yeah hot links are fine, but it's just a Polish's I've never had one that I was like, you know, I'd do this again. It's never great No, but it's okay. I don't mind it. You gotta put a ton of shit on it to make it edible. I'm gonna throw some mustard on there. Otherwise it's just pierogies, which are basically Polish ravioli. Harvard is the oldest and richest university in America. But when a social media fueled fight over Harvard and its new president broke out last fall,

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Right, because then you can cook the living shit out of it and it doesn't matter. There's a fucking salad on top of it. It's ridiculous. So Cathy here, she is very energetic, smart, engaged. She's that type of kid like her parents are very impressed with her She her brother her father said she brought bought new bicycles for her and her older brother when she was about seven years old and I guess he was showing the the brother how to do it and Kathy just got on her bike and started fucking riding away so she didn't even want instructions she's that kind of kid just didn't know how to ride just didn't do it yeah they had a half

acre property which is kind of seems like what most of the properties are here about a half acre and that was like I said the gathering place for the kids they played soccer Robert Schlosser said they broke the windows all the damn time playing soccer mm-hmm She said they were breaking it all the time the front window and the basement window well I mean, I guess that's kids are being kids are playing soccer. They got fixed window money good for you got fixed We asked trucking gravel goes well I guess apparently that's crazy because it's funny because I wouldn't be mad at my kid for breaking a window for playing ball.

He was fucking off or doing something but playing ball, but when I was a kid, I broke a window and my grandmother beat me with a broom handle for it. Oh my God, I was grounded for it. It was a baseball for fuck's sake. I didn't even throw the rock, somebody else threw it, but I was with him. Oh no.

And my mom had to pay half and she was livid. I bet. Shit. It's a big picture window. Grandma didn't know about grounding. She only knew about beating. They don't have grounding in Italy apparently. They just beat you until you're too sore to go anywhere

and that's grounded I guess. In Hitler times there probably wasn't much to take away. So I'm quite the blood of the few. Where she grew up and when she grew up, it was basically like being Amish, like my old joke about, gotta be hard to be an Amish parent because there's nothing to take away.

That's the fucking, that was the premise of a joke and that's exactly what it is. Yeah, what are you gonna take away, chores? What do you got? Nothing to take from these people. So Cathy's such a nice person too. Her friend talks about how this is the friend's 10 year old sister was killed by a drunk driver in 1969.

That's brutal. So shortly after this, the girl's father suffered a massive stroke that left him paralyzed on one side of his body. So Cathy was so nice when she would come home from college She would go over to visit this friend's father to like help him out for a few hours a day Because she's just a nice girl. She's very nice That's nothing at all never go up with no that place is fucked man That place is a disaster. Her friend said she was everybody's friend.

That's the way she was, Kathy. So they met each other, Kathy and Jim, meet each other in high school, but they don't start dating until they're both in the same college. Oh. Like, oh, you again. I remember you from my math class.

Let's go out. I see you in the halls. I already know you, so it's easy. Western Michigan University is where they went. They both lived in the Mount Clemens area, which by the way is about 30 miles northeast of Detroit. But in high school didn't know each other very well, hook up in college later.

James, also very active. From his high school yearbook here, I have his activities. Yeah. Swimming, booster club, German club, key club, golf, council, cadet and teacher assistant. He does. That's busy. That's a lot of shit. I did nothing in high school outside of go to class the minimal amount of time so they won't call your fucking parents and get you in trouble. That's it. That's what I knew. I did yearbook because I was a quote-unquote photographer and so I was able just to go walk. It was great. That's fun. Yeah. Yeah, that's still too much.

I wasn't gonna shit. That's still like I would have had to know what room to go to and like side can shit load of film. I bet. Yeah. Just make an excuse to walk around and look at girls at that point when you're in high school. Pictures of shit. I bet, yeah. Shitloads of it. Just making excuses to walk around and look at girls at that point when you're in high school. Snap pictures of shit I'm not supposed to take pictures of. Yeah, so they went to Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, and basically Jim would sometimes drive her to and from campus on breaks, because they're from the same town.

And that's how they ended up getting together. So they started dating. These, you know, you get about a half hour ride, a little time to talk, probably more than, more one-on-one time than you get with most people in college, so The one of the first times after they started going out Jim tried to come over to the house Kathy invited him over wanted to introduce him to the parents She was a meet the fam and serious about him Robert the gravel man, said, quote, I threw him out. Is that right?

Didn't go well. Robert said, he came barefooted, and I told him to go home and get a pair of shoes on. You got to understand when this is. It's 1969. So we're talking Woodstock. And like, I mean, literally, this is the time when kids walked around with no fucking shoes

on all the time and shit. And the older generation Was having none of it none of that. He he didn't even watch it Fucking sneakers on they want you to have wingtips on never mind no shoes Sneakers were considered you fucking loser put on some pleated pants. Yeah way too high you what's wrong with you? Yeah, put on a racer put on a pair of pants pull it up to your sternum and go out and do something. What's wrong with you? You think you're headed to the sock-off, come on.

You lazy bastard. So yeah, so at the time, and Robert's not like a hippie type. I think he's just fitting in basically. Probably, yeah. He'll become an economist later on. He's very much like a kind of a nerdy guy. He's not really,

none of those clubs said hippie to you, did it? No, no, that doesn't scream. No, that was free love and marijuana. I didn't see a macrame class in there or anything. Nothing. So, um, Krausenek learned his lesson and then came over dressed properly. It was like, Oh, you don't fuck around with Robert Schlosser here. So then they said, after that, once he came back with shoes on, then the family saw him

as a fine young man, clean cut and quiet and kind to Kathy. So they were okay with him after that. Just needed to have some shoes on. That's all. Shoes. It's a big deal. It's a big deal, man. So back then now, May 3rd, 1974, they're going to get married.

So they're both about 22 at this point. Mm-hmm. This is right after college They probably waited till they graduated college, which was kind of the thing to do back then and how it went pretty rare to have kids, too I mean if you unless you don't go to college unless you don't go to college Or like sometimes the woman would drop out to be in a family whatever the fuck it was But that was the way they did it back in the day. But yeah, this is, kids would meet in college, they'd wait till they graduate, then they'd get married. That was kind of what smart kids, quote unquote,

did back then. So they get married, they move to Colorado after they get married. Great choice. Yeah, they go to Fort Collins, Colorado, where Jim attended graduate school at Colorado State University and Kathy worked as an orthopedic therapist

Yeah, cuz he's got to get like a master's degree because he wants to be an economist and you know Have a good job like that April 15th 1978 a baby is born Here we look at this. They have a baby girl named Sarah here. There we go. Not bad So from 79 to 81, Jim teaches at Lynchburg College. Kentucky? Lynchburg, I think that's Kentucky. Tennessee?

Virginia, actually. Virginia. Yeah, it's Lynchburg, Virginia. Lynchburg, Virginia, yes. They moved to Lynchburg, Virginia so he can teach there, where he teaches economics at Lynchburg College. How about it? So that's what he's doing here,

and I guess if you're gonna get like a master's in economy, I guess that's what you would do if you don't work for a company. So they move to Lynchburg in 1979 from Colorado. They lived on Rittenhouse Street, and this is Kathy's sister Annette lived with them for about a year. Okay at the time I don't know why but what she was doing but

She said this is the sister said that Kathy was just the best person in the world Which I mean, it's her sister. What's she gonna say? She's a fucking filthy skanky whoo. What are you gonna say about her? She She's a bitch. She's a bitch with a bad She's got a bad digestive system bad It's her own bathroom nobody even goes in there like oh, that's Cathy's you don't want to go in there forget about it It's there's no pain on the walls. Oh god. Keep the door closed. Don't let it out. Don't let the stink out

Rolls you got weather stripping are all on the top and bottom make sure it doesn't get out So that's what it was her sister also. I'm sorry This is her boss at the who's the director of the Central Virginia mental health service Where where she worked is where Kathy worked this woman said that Kathy knew so much about babies, pediatrics, and occupational therapy, she was so talented. And that's the thing, wherever Cathy works, she's very popular, she's very, you know, and also thought to be very competent and popular socially

and people like her, she's very magnetic. So she worked for Project Daniel from the fall of 79 until the spring of 1980 Now the project officials wanted her to come back and work for them But they said that she they were never able to contact her after she left project Daniel The director said I was concerned about her couldn't get a hold of her Well, it's cuz they moved Yeah, that's why even in the state man. Yeah, so when she quit her job with project Daniels. She did it cuz she said she wanted to spend more time with her daughter

Okay, and the woman said she kept saying her child was young and she didn't want to go into full-time work Yet they kept calling her and bothering her she told you She didn't want to do it. I want to be home with my family. Yeah, that's it. She gave you two weeks She said the fuck alone letter of What well yeah letter of resignation? There's the word yeah But if she if she says my kid is a baby, and I want to spend time with my baby You know you only get that one period leave her the fuck alone let her go deal with your own bullshit Jesus Christ, man.

So now a friend of hers, of Cathy's, received a letter from her at one point and said she was very aware, really bright. She was a feminist. She believed strongly in raising her daughter. She talked a lot about having more children. So that's what she wanted to do. It's where she wanted to focus her energy on.

Her friend described her as happily married. She said they made every decision they ever made together. They got along well. She was very outgoing, very sociable. And he's not bad either. He's not like a drag either. He's a decent guy. He's got some shooter, he's good.

Is that right? She's described as having long blonde hair, being five foot four and weighing 100 pounds. Her friend said she was beautiful at the time. She's described as having long blonde hair, being 5'4 and weighing 100 pounds. Her friend said she was beautiful at the time. She said she's very interested in life. She quote, dabbled in everything. They did all sorts of shit.

This is in the 70s. They did yoga together, which in the 70s, there was only a few people doing yoga who weren't in a cult in the 70s. There was like cults that did yoga and that was it. There were very few like normal, just classes. It was considered really out there to stretch. And some of it still is pretty fucking weird. It's weird, but I mean now it's as mainstream as it gets.

Now it's every suburban mom gets their stupid mat and goes and does it. Every clothing company makes a line that's just for yoga. Just for yoga, yeah, that's considered normal and healthy now. so at the time, considered aberrant behavior. So September of 81, this is when they thought to themselves that this job that Jim has here teaching

just doesn't pay well enough. I don't know what Lynchburg College pays their junior professors, but probably not a lot. He didn't look at the pay scale before he started. Well, I think he just wanted a job and get his foot in the door somewhere. Just found what's the most high paid teaching job, and he was like, I can deal with that.

I mean, back then, he couldn't Google it. All he could do is look for people who needed people. I don't even know what publications you'd look in to find a teaching job across the country. Who knows? Is that in local papers, I don't even know what publications you'd look in to find a teaching job across the country, who knows. Is that in local papers? I don't know. Or maybe it's somebody that knew him, said I went to, I'm going to Lynchburg, they're looking for an economy professor, I don't know how it worked, but either way, he said

I gotta move to the corporate world and make some dough here. That's where it is. I got a baby, I got my wife, I gotta make some money for us here. So in 1981, he answered an ad in the Wall Street Journal for a job. He's sitting in Virginia getting the Wall Street Journal, probably a day late. And answering- Probably getting it tomorrow. Answering ads.

Yeah, look at that. But that's how you did it back then. Expecting a response, that's crazy. That's how you did it back then. And expecting a response, that's crazy. That's how you did it back then, there was no other choice. So he ends up getting a job at Kodak, which was, you know, headquartered in Rochester at the time. They buy a house on Del Rio Drive for $92,000 in 1981. That's big money. Yeah, that's an expensive house now, so that's a big deal.

$40,000 then probably? Yeah, probably even an expensive house now. So that's a big deal. $40,000 then probably? Yeah, probably even a little more. That house, as we'll talk about now, we'll see what it's worth now later on, but it's a decent house here. So at this point, Jim Cathy and three-year-old Sarah all moved to Brighton, which is nice upscale suburb. He's starting his new job as an economist for Kodak. They're like this is it now we start our life You know what I mean? So Krasnick left left the college to work for Eastman Kodak and she said that somebody from the college who ran the

His department said he was well liked by everyone, an extremely nice person, very even tempered, I took a class from him, he was an excellent professor. So, not bad here. The area they moved to in Brighton, their street is a very nice, all the lawns are manicured, it's very, very nice upscale street. Definitely not lower middle class or anything

like that. It's nice. Now when they first get there, Kathy's pretty homesick for Michigan, actually, not even for Virginia, for Michigan, because they moved to Colorado, then Virginia now here. She just wants to be back in Michigan. She talks about her family back in Michigan, her friends back in Michigan. What if we had all this in this nice house back in Michigan. She talks about her family back in Michigan, her friends back in Michigan. What if we had all this in this nice house just in Michigan? That'd be so much better, basically. So they would, with the family, they tried to, they did stuff together.

They tried to get into it. The Krausenek couple, they would take walks together. They would bicycle with the kid. They played tennis and racquetball together. They were, it was a very 80s couple playing racquetball. It sounds like it's right out of an 80s movie, doesn't it? It's fascinating that there were two groups. Little white shorts on them.

There's two groups that play racquetball. It's like upscale, like people on their lunch break, or it's the white trash people that go on Sunday morning. In a park. Yeah. That's where we went. That's, yep. And that's called handball. Yeah, that's where we went. Yep, and that's called handball, that's not even racquetball.

We played racquetball in those rooms with the fucking steel door that would sling you. It was terrifying. Oh yeah, that's just a little box with a ball flying around at 300 miles an hour. And it's hot as shit in there. Oh yeah, especially in Phoenix. So, a friend of hers though said

Cathy was somewhat disillusioned with Rochester. She said, I think Cathy's disillusionment could be related to the fact that they moved in the fall and resided here throughout the winter and due to the cold weather, that could account for some disenchantment. Yeah, that's a, Rochester has long winters. They're fucking long and they're brutal.

And if you move there in October October you are in for it, man You're not gonna see the Sun again till April and it's brutal and it's a little bit east of there was that Albany? I guess from there that's way far east. Is it is it? Yeah way far is that's like three four hours east but from there to like fucking South Dakota that that whole region. Yeah, up there. Winter is long.

It's long and it's brutal. So that would make sense where you'd be like, Jesus Christ, this is rough. So February 16th, 1982, they've lived there less than a year, he's working at his job, everything seems fine. The CODAC decides that, I don't know what made them prompt at this, but they decide they're going to do a background check on all their employees

just to see. You know, sometimes you got to keep an eye on some people. Let's make sure we don't have any fucking weirdos on our staff here. So we didn't do it when we hired you. We'll do it now. No, do it now. They do a full background check and they discover that Jim Krausenac did not complete his PhD from Colorado State University. Oh no! He is one paper shy of completing his PhD.

Really? Absolutely. So they find that out. Now, they don't bring him in and fire him or anything like that. They probably tell him, get that paper done. That's a good idea, yeah. And you're fine because he comes home and goes to work the next day, it's like nothing happened. So it's not, like I said, they don't threaten him,

they don't tell him if you don't have it by this date you're fired, it's none of that. They're just like, well, we found that, you need to have a PhD for this job, so go finish it up, that was that. Fine, so that's the 16th. Now, February 18th,th 1982 a couple days later Everything seems to be going fine

Not like he's been like I said hasn't been fired or anything like that the Krausen X eat dinner at around 630 p.m. Okay meatloaf for James and Sarah they have meatloaf three four four if this almost four definitely meatloaf. Three, four, four, there's almost four. She can start. Definitely, meatloaf for them, and Kathy had egg salad on lettuce. Oof, that's a bowl of farts right there. That is a gal who is, Good Lord.

You guys have the meatloaf, I'll do my own thing. Wow. My own thing is gonna be crazy. It's gonna be gross, but that's like diet food back then, egg salad on lettuce. Yeah, that's what diet food back then. Egg salad on lettuce. Yeah, that's what people would eat if they were on a diet. Then they drove to the bank in the lone family car and they're going to own there to deposit Jim's checks.

He's got some checks to deposit. Whole family loads up in the, it's February and it's cold as shit. Why the whole family's loading up? Well, at one person's house, we'll all die together. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why. You'd think it'd be like, yeah, I'm going to go to the bank, I'll be back in a minute. Let's not load the kid up in the park in the snow suit.

I'm going to brave northern New York in February. Yeah, it's weird, but they all go together. Maybe they want to spend time together. I don't know. So after a stop at a department and a drugstore, then they go to a nearby liquor store and purchase quote an alcoholic beverage with milk in it. I don't know what that is, but it sounds disgusting. How old are they?

At this point, shit, 51, they're 30. 25, yeah. 30, they're both 30. Yeah. Whew, that's a brave choice. I mean, that is a lot of, man, I think about you have egg salad and lettuce already fucking swirling around in there.

You're gonna add milky booze to it on top of that? Drop milk booze on top of that. Wow. Jesus, her stomach's gonna be a mess. Turn that up. So at home, Kathy had a drink, I guess, of the boozy milk. And he had, Jim has two beers beers and he makes shrimp for Kathy as well

She eats some shrimp a little late now. She's amazing She's putting it away and they put Sarah into their bed at around 10 p.m. To go to sleep They watch some TV. They relax in their library They let their golden retriever amicus out and then back in again and then they go to bed around 11 o'clock after taking Sarah, putting her in her bed. Kathy goes to bed around 11, Jim still kicks around a little bit, he's in, you know, before midnight at some point.

She's nauseous. Yeah, she's got to go to bed early or else. Well, she's probably been shitting for the last three hours. So she's just like, man, I'm tired. I'm tired, I gotta lay down. So then the next morning, February 19th, 1982, around 6.30 a.m., Jim leaves for work. And this is uncontested because he gets to work

at a certain time and it takes that long to get there. So he had to have left his house by then. That's not contested at all. So he leaves, he puts amicus in the basement, I guess he does this every day so the dog doesn't bark at everybody that jogs by or trucks that go by and wake everybody up. So he has his normal day at work and then he returns home at about 4.50pm which is a little bit early because he's planning to take Sarah to a podiatry appointment.

Yeah. So there's that, okay. He comes home, take the kid to the doctor. So he gets home, he gets there. He said right away the garage door was open. Which he knows he closed it and it's normally closed but I mean who knows if, you know, Kathy opened it for some reason, forgot to close it.

People forget to close it. Who knows, yeah, who the hell knows out there? So then he said he walked around to the front of the house and saw broken glass by the front door. And their window, because it was one of those, it's one of those doors that has the windows with like little panes in it. The pane closest, the lower right hand pane

closest to the knob and the lock and everything is broken. And sitting next to the door is an axe. Oh. From a mall technically this would be. So that's what's sitting next to the door. So like an axe with a big hard thing on the other side. That is terrifying Yeah So if you get home from work and your wife and daughter is supposed to be in there and you see an axe sitting

Next to the door the door broken and shit and the garage door was open. You might freak out a little bit That's like the start of a scary movie. The doors broken your wife and children inside. Here's an axe arm yourself I've probably got something bigger. That's the fucking thing too because also, he's got, yeah, you come home and you go, well, I mean, if he just lived by himself, he'd see that, probably just call the cops, you know what I mean? But if your wife and kid are in there, you know you have to go in there and see it, make sure everything's okay.

Yeah. You have to. That's part of it. I mean, that's just minimal adult bravery you have to do, no matter what. You have to go in and try So he runs upstairs To try cuz he nobody's on the first floor. He doesn't see anybody so he goes Oh fuck

There's some stuffs a little messier than it usually is which is weird and he'll deal with that in a minute but he runs up the steps and Runs into the master bedroom where he finds Kathy. She's still in bed Okay, and she has a two and a half foot axe embedded in her skull and on the crime scene pictures it is it's embedded we're like the the the handle is sticking out straight it's not leaning down it's the axis fully stuck in her head like you put it in a piece of wood to leave it there for tomorrow

Fucking horrifying. Yeah, she lay on her right side Her arms pulled up toward her chest like she's sleeping like fetal kind of you curl up Blonde hair bloody all over the pillow there They said the killer had swung the axe with such force that the blade passed three and a half inches into her brain. That's a lot. Your skull's hard, your brain, there's a lot there. I mean that is full on woodcutting swing that they took. Man, they believe that she was asleep when she died. She never saw it coming. Just one swing. It's stuck in her fucking head. Yeah, that's it. Boom. Stuck in the head. So obviously Jim's next thought is,

where the fuck is my daughter? Yeah. There's two people here. Right. So he freaks out, runs in, goes to Sarah's room, and she's sitting on her bed completely fine. She's fine. Completely fine.

I'm suspicious of her right now. It's a bad bitch, man. Listen, kid, as a bad little girl, you don't know. No, she's sitting up on her bed just doing her thing. She dressed herself. She's wearing like two sweaters, one's on backwards. She's got like three pairs of socks on. She doesn't know how to dress herself.

So he freaks out, grabs his baby, and runs out of the house as fast as he can. He runs next door to his neighbor's house or across the way to his neighbor's house, across the street, and the neighbor said, when he came home a little before five, he found the back door broken and went into the house, found his wife, grabbed the daughter, and ran out.

They said, the neighbor said that he came to the door, clutching Sarah in his arms with a look of terror on his face. Which I would hope so at that point. If he came over casual, like he was gonna borrow some fuckin' salt, the door clutching Sarah in his arms with a look of terror on his face. Which I would hope so at that point. If he came over casual like he was going to borrow some fucking salt that would be crazy. That's a different story. So he came to her to the door she said she answered the door she said I saw Jim standing

in the doorway clutching Sarah in his arms. I saw that Jim was drained of all color and he had a look of terror on his face and that he could not stop looking over at his house. Yeah I would never stop looking at it. Yeah, oh Jesus. So the neighbor asked, did something happen to Kathy? Is she okay? And Jim, then she said, is she hurt?

Is she dead? The neighbor's going through like a list of things that could possibly be wrong. And Jim replied, I think think so her body is limp That's what she told he told the neighbor Then she called police and said that she looked at Jim and she said he appeared to be going into shock He was starting to lose it she said though he kept quietly asking Sarah whether she was okay and that he said the neighbor said every time Sarah, he would cry and hug and kiss her.

And neighbor said, I also heard Sarah say to Jim, I'm glad you came home early today, Daddy. Yeah, I guess so. So Sarah was in the house all day with her mother's body down the hall at four when her father walked in, curled up in bed with her clothes on just doing her thing She's three and a half. So the neighbor calls nine one one obviously and the cops get there very quick They start arriving at five oh three

Upscale suburban neighborhood with a death call there there for that shit quickly So they start arriving they note that nothing is taken from the house, they said. And also both the axe embedded in the skull and the mall outside the door are both property of the Krasnaks. They're from the garage, so, or out back, one of the two. So somebody either came empty-handed or... Yeah, something decided that was the way to go. You don't believe in ghosts? I get it. Lots of people don't. I didn't either, until I came face to face with them.

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your favorite podcasts. So she had been killed by a single blow to the head with an axe. Um, they said that she was struck with an axe, one blow, and that was it. Is the quote from the police officer there. They said, we feel she was killed sometime prior to nine 30 AM. She was still in her bed, still in her night clothes. She had no appearance of having been gotten out of bed. Right.

So that makes sense. They said the police in their statement said that Sarah spent the day in her own bedroom. She went into the bedroom where her mother was during the day also to look for her. And she said that she just dressed herself. Now, the police, they say, obviously the press is like where what are the shoes? Who are you looking for for this?

And they said that they have no suspects, but they're not ruling anyone out. We're looking at everything trying to put things in place they speak to Jim for about five or six hours that night and They speak to Jim for about five or six hours that night, and the detective who interviewed him said he would go from being very deliberate with his answers to very emotional, or he would cry a little bit, which is not out of the ordinary. No, I think that's very ordinary. Explaining stuff, then, when the load of it hits you,

then you're upset, and then you get your shit together for a little bit. Over the course of six hours, you can go in and out of that a lot. So he said that he saw the first floor, the first floor, the broken glass, and he said, I called for my family, didn't get any answer.

He said, I ran up the stairs and went into the bedroom. Kathy was in bed in our room, and she had been struck in the head with a long-handled ax. I saw the back of her head. I did not touch my wife Okay, but she said she was limp which I don't know how he would know she was limp at that point That's weird, and she wouldn't be limp anyway by now. She'd be in rigor probably so I don't know if she'd come out of it by now

So they said Sarah had a red sweater over a pink sweater with a blue ABC corduroy pants and two pairs of socks. More than that right now. That's what I was going to say. This kid's got fashion sense. She said, Jim said she looked dazed to me. I picked her up from her bed and ran downstairs and out the front door with her. So Krasnick's parents, Jim's parents, drive in from Michigan, arriving at the police

station around midnight to support him. Police suggest after hours of talking, and he's got the kid there and everything else, they say, listen, why don't you and Sarah go with your parents to a hotel and get some sleep and then come back at 8.30 in the morning and we'll finish this. You know, we'll talk more about about this. So everyone said, okay, that's great. See you at 830 tomorrow. And everybody left. But the detective said he never came back. They said the family checked out of the hotel that morning and drove to Michigan.

Got to go, yeah. Which is not a good start here. I mean, I guess that's him saying, I'll tell them about it another time. I mean, I think that's pretty important, uh, I'll tell them about it another time. I mean, I think that's pretty important to talk now probably for this. It is like homicide detectives, you know, they probably think, or he probably says they'll, they'll understand. They'll figure it out. Yeah.

I don't know. So they're wondering, is this a burglary? Is this what happened? So they said there were indications of burglary at the house. The detective said they said behind the the house they found a wood splitting mall that had been used to shatter the glass. Inside the detective described it as one of the most sterile crime scenes he'd ever seen, which is interesting.

They're unable to find any forensic clues, no fingerprints, nothing like that. They did find what they said, what they thought looked like evidence of a staged burglary they said. They said there were valuable items scattered across the dining room floor, including Kathy's purse and a tea set. So like a silver tea set, like you know, whatever. Like they said there was like a plastic bag there, a black plastic like lawn bag. And like that shit in a pile in the middle, like someone was going and like that shit in a pile in the middle like someone was gonna put that stuff in the plastic bag type of deal they said Kathy's purse was nearby also with its contents strewn across the

carpet you can see this in the crime scene photos there is a pile of shit candelabras and all that shit and and then the tea set, and then her purse is there, with shit coming out of it. So they said nothing appeared stolen, though. This was in the dining room on the first floor. They found this stuff. So at first they said they thought it was a burglary, but then they said everything seemed too neat.

They said upstairs, downstairs, there was money, there was jewelry laying out in plain sight, things that a burglar would just swipe on the way and stuff in their pockets. So they said, it's interesting. They said, quote, we didn't find anything taken from the house. All the indications of a burglary seemed to be set up. So that's interesting.

So now they think that there's a staged burglary involved in this murder. So now they start to focus their attention on Jim. They go, why would a strangers stage of burglary? That's the the main question they have So February 19th the day after the murder here They said there was an absence of fingerprints in the house Now we're not talking an absence of weird fingerprints aberrant fingerprints. They said they checked the entire house fingerprints, aberrant fingerprints, they said they checked the entire house, everything in it, the axe, the walls, the doors, the doorknobs, they didn't find a single fingerprint, not even any belonging to the Krausenack family.

The family doesn't have any fingerprints. They're smooth, just smooth-fingered people, these people. Or they're just wiping shit down, that's crazy. Imagine wiping down all your doorknobs all the time like yeah even like the the sink in the in the You know when you touch the sink the toilet bowl fucking plunger like none of that stuff the handle You know the flusher there there'd be prints on something. They said though nothing the detective said it was like nobody lived there Okay, even Sarah was out all day by herself. She didn't believe any fingerprints on anything She's good, so they say the police say the killer may have worn gloves Even Sarah was out all day by herself. She didn't believe any fingerprints on anything

So they say the police say the killer may have worn gloves, but they didn't find any discarded gloves at the scene Well, I mean outside of OJ most people don't leave their murder gloves at the scene Somewhere you throw that out somewhere else They even took apart the tub and the sinks checking for blood in the traps and shit like that As they find that a lot they found nothing apart the tub and the sinks checking for blood in the traps and shit like that, cause they find that a lot. They found nothing. Now it's hard to blame Jim at this point because Jim was, went to work. Yeah. So he would definitely have had to take a shower after that to go to work. So there would be blood in the drain. You probably, you know what I mean? Then the traps. So in the garage,

they did find a piece of carpet that had been removed from the first floor bathroom, washed and draped over a stroller to dry, but they don't know how long it's been there. That could have been there for weeks. They have no fucking idea. So they said the carpet and the liquid in the drains were sent to a laboratory for analysis, but got nothing out of that.

Nothing at all. No old blood, no anything. No bleach. So, nothing. No, that's, I mean, no signs of cover nothing at all. No old blood. No anything no bleached. Oh nothing. No, that's I mean no Signs of cover-up or anything rain water. That's it. That's it. So the detectives the one Sort of clue they have is a faint Shoeprint inside the trash bag near the tea set on the ground It's a very faint just a shoe print of you know if the shoe was a little

dusty and you stepped on it and you leave an impression. And it's of, they said it's very specific to a boat shoe. Okay, like a specific kind of boat shoe. And they found a pair of boat shoes that belonged to Jim in the house. They say may have matched up, but they don't take them in for evidence at all. They don't grab those for later and to compare them they don't do that. They just take a picture of the boat shoes sitting on the carpet not their tread on the bottom nothing. There they are. There's boat shoes. This is not the best police investigation going here. Not good. So they set up roadblocks and interview people at every home on the street and streets nearby

No one reported seeing an intruder or any sign of trouble later on They'll talk to a lady who has a much different story because that she wasn't home when they went around canvassing here So the authorities also now they traveled to Michigan to Colorado to Virginia To talk to people who knew the Krausen X to try to figure out if James did this or not. They also check similar killings around the country to see if there's any connection, nothing there, they say.

So February 19th, 1982, they interview Sarah. She's three and a half years old. If you ever watched an interrogation, a three and a half year old, this is not the environment for them as far as getting anything out of them. years old. This is if you ever watched an interrogation a three and a half year old this is not the environment for them as far as as far as getting anything out of them. You know it's not going to work. So they do get out of her that she said she saw quote a bad man. Oh in the house and she said he had a hammer in his head, the bad man, in his head. Then she said it was an ax in his head that he had.

Oh. She also described the man's face, because they said, well, what color was he? Was he, because they're getting a description, was he big, was he short, was he fat, was he tall, is he white, is he like him, is he like me? Yeah. And she described his face as, quote, many colors.

He's just super- What, does he not want to get in trouble at HR? Super diverse, that's just super, super diverse. That's what she's all about. Yeah, she's like, he was a man of many colors. That's what he was. Not gonna get me. Not me. I'm not going to HR tomorrow.

Fuck that shit. So the detective had their own interpretation of this. They decide that Sarah was not seeing a man in the house a bad man as described She was just seeing her dead mother covered in blood and that's the many faces and the acts in her head Christ meanwhile, she said she saw a bad man walking around. Yeah, which is her mother wasn't ever walking around She never got up. So this dark thing just to write see too and She never got up. So this dark thing just to right see too and Say what she's projecting that's fucked up So it seems to me like probably she saw a bad man and also saw her mother and her and is just

Conflating them together because she's three right she's just mixing the shit up all together, but she probably saw both I would imagine Then it comes out. There's an article in the newspaper and everything saying, this is a cursed house. That's the problem. It's the house's fault. It's practically poltergeist over here. That's the problem here. Because Kathy is the third person to die

in this house since 1977. Is that right? The second person to die in that bedroom exactly where that bed was, by the way, too. But the reason is, it's not like somebody, they were murdered or anything like that. There was an elderly couple who owned the house at the time. They died of asphyxiation there in 1977.

Yeah, the wife was found dead in the exact same bed, in the exact same placement of the bed and everything in the bedroom, whereas her husband was found downstairs in a chair dead the police found that they were overcome by fumes of their car the wife had gone out shopping came home and left the car running in the attached garage and killed them both I've never heard of that before I've heard of that a lot actually on accident a lot yes there was it happens it's more common now actually.

Really? Because cars are quiet now. Very quiet. And they have the buttons and not the keys. So you used to, you'd take your keys out and then go unlock your door. You know that motherfucker's off that way, yeah. Now you press the button, there's no keys, so some people forget to press the button, the cars are quiet, they're not all jerky like a 1981 Buick or anything.

So this happens, it's so common now that this happens. People pull in the garage and they die. And it's crazy too how far your key can get away from that car and it stays running. Oh, it still goes running. As long as it doesn't go into gear and try to take off it, that'll shut it off. But if you go into your house, into your kitchen,

leave it on the, yeah. I left a car running in my driveway for like an hour and a half on accident. Yeah, it happens, yeah. We've done it too. In the an hour and a half on accident. Yeah, it happens. Yeah But not we've done it too in the garage garage. Luckily. Yeah. Yeah, but that's the thing It could it could very easily happen here as you're still breathing. Yeah, your whole family hasn't been killed. So that's good So that's a very that's a big risk out there right now that happens a lot. So February 20th now, this is when the autopsy's done,

and Jim goes back to Michigan, and he spoke to investigators again and agreed to another meeting with investigators the afternoon of the 20th, but when the time came, Jim and Sarah already were gone back to Michigan again. So they've gone back and forth to Michigan several times. The medical examiner concluded shockingly that the cause of death was an ax wound to the head.

Great police. I very rarely think that I can do medical things because I'm an idiot, but I could have probably found the cause of death there. One injury and she's not breathing. One injury and she's not, oh, and her whole brain is bisected by an ax. Yeah, I'm gonna go with axe to the head. Yeah

Probably what's going on here, but I mean she wasn't poisoned beforehand or anything like that Well, I mean she tried to but she did yeah Yeah, and basically they they find that the with her food with her goddamn dinner. They find that they think she died around from 630 to 930 a.m from 6.30 to 9.30 a.m. Which, that's one thing in like crime technology and medical technology that has not improved. The best they can still give you is a three hour window. That's the best they can do now to this day,

45 years after this. They're gonna end up having to find some enzyme that our body secretes during death that wasn't, well how would we know if it was when it got in it? That's that's I mean the factors are so it's so hard to tell So a neighbor of the Krausen X said that she heard a moaning sound Around one or two in the morning the morning of the killing No one's allowed to fuck in this neighborhood by the way apparently I'll tell the cops about it and then followed quickly thereafter by a dog barking

And the cops go the Krasnaks have a dog, okay, which it's a suburban street You know how many people probably have a fucking dog on the street It's probably 80% of the people on the street have a dog. I bet just saying so this is not you know real exclusive to them so the authorities though they cannot prove that Jim had been home at the time of the murder because the time of death is put at 630 to 930 and we know he left for work at 630 and he showed up without any brain or blood on him or anything like that and he wouldn't have time to clean up. So they don't really have anything they can do here with Jim.

Their hands are kind of tied. So they talked to Jim again and Jim says that Thursday night before the murder, the family ran errands. Him and his wife had dinner, had some wine. They were in bed by midnight. I was in bed by midnight. I think Kathy went to bed at about 11. So they said they were unable to confirm that he spent the night in bed with his wife.

They couldn't confirm that they said. They said we didn't find the normal things, hairs and things you would expect to find on his side. So he's not shedding, so what? Leave the guy alone. Yeah. There's also no goddamn fingerprints anywhere. So the family, he said that, he kept saying,

I left for work at about 6.30 a.m., returned with five. There's Kathy at 10 to five, so I don't know what to tell you They said that the autopsy shows her body was slightly warm to the touch and in full rigor when they got there the body temperature and an examination of her organs prompted the medical examiner to You know give the time of death between 6 30 and 9 30 and we'll find there's a various estimates of this later on

They said this is Krausen X later on His people say from the initial stages of the investigation the time of death was a paramount concern to the investigators It was largely indisputable that James had left his home at approximately 630 a.m. And spent the entire day at Kodak Can't dispute that. He showed up, there's other people there. So we know when he got there. They said if the cop said if the time of death were before he left for work,

obviously that would be inculpatory. On the other hand, if the time of death included the time when he already left for work, it would exculpate him. So there you go. The stomach contents, and this is a big deal. The autopsy shows Cathy's stomach contents. You'd think it would just be gross. There are all sorts of shit

that doesn't belong together mixing around. It's a volcano in there. Her stomach was completely empty. How'd she do that? And her blood was free of alcohol. I'm more impressed, well I mean that takes a while, but if you can do it, yeah. That just indicates passage of time.

Yeah, passage of time, and your body obviously stops digesting if you're dead. So there you go. There you go. And they estimated then that, you know, that could mean a later time of death even. They also said that her, not only is her stomach empty, her bladder is completely full. Oh. Which they said would indicate that she had a full night's sleep. For her stomach to empty and her bladder to be completely full, this probably didn't happen

at one in the morning. You know what I mean? It just wouldn't happen like that. So that's another thing. Now they said they have no evidence against Jim, no clear motive, but god damn it, are they suspicious of him? Sure enough. Super suspicious. There's no evidence against Jim no clear motive, but god damn it are they suspicious of him sure enough super suspicious There's no evidence though, so they cannot arrest him. They cannot arrest anybody and this case goes cold Goes cold freaks the neighborhood out. I mean this is like in their minds some

Crazed lunatic came to their neighborhood broke into someone's house and put a fucking axe in their head and that could happen to any of them So this is typical suburban panic here after this But you know they just that's it they don't know what to do Jim and Sarah move out west They moved to a couple different places. They'll end up in Washington for a while. They're in Michigan as we'll talk about Yeah, they said that uh they they hired a lawyer also, Jim's family, and the lawyer told police that any time you want to talk to Jim, I mean, I'm there too.

You've talked to him 10 fucking times and you've gotten nothing and you're not going to railroad my client basically. So they said that the condition also for an interview would be no statement made by Jim could be used against him in any way. Which is not how they do interrogations and no one's gonna agree to that. So, and the detective said we weren't willing to do that

because we still had too many unanswered questions. That's basically, if they didn't think he did it, that's a way for the lawyer to find out what they're thinking. Because if they didn't think he did it, they'd be like fine, great, we don't think he did it. We just need information. But if they say no, no, no, then that means that they're suspicious of your clients. That was a way to suss out how they feel here. So that's it. He doesn't talk to

them anymore after that. They don't want to talk to him with the lawyer. I don't want to anyway. No. So shortly at now, during the investigation, one of the things that made them very suspicious of Jim Was that shortly after the murder police learned that Jim had not completed the final portions of his doctorate and Had lied to both Lynchburg College and Kodak about that Okay, okay So they say that they think their big fucking theory of this case is that Kathy became Oh, she found out about this and

lost her mind Does that sound relevant does that sound probable plausible to use Yeah, that doesn't sound like what would happen that sounds like the if your spouse and you told them that they'd be like Oh, well, how do we save your job, would be first, how do we do this? Because you know, this is how we pay bills and eat and shit. So, and eat weird foods that make me shit weird. So, please, help me out here.

So I don't know what the fuck is going on here. Kathy, usually your spouse isn't like against you, like your job. If you get in trouble at work, your spouse doesn't, you're not in trouble with them too. They're usually on your side, that's the point. You fucking married these people. So they don't think so though. They think Cathy became aware of the lie, freaked out and Jim had no choice but to murder her while she slept. Which really seems like a

stretch for me. And then head on off to work. Then then head off to work and act like nothing happened all day. Then come on home for the podiatry appointment. It's a very weird shit here. They really, really, really, really want to talk to Jim though. February 20th, 1983, there's a newspaper article about this and Jim says he'll talk to the press, but he won't talk to the cops. Yeah. Jim says that he wants to forget that night completely, that whole day when he came home. He said he's trying to put it out of his mind. And he said that he's refused to talk to the police since last March. He said, I understand the police have their

jobs to do. I appreciate that, but it's too difficult for me to talk about it. That's what he said. He was at this point working at his father's carpet store in Michigan when the press are talking to him and they said he's neatly dressed in a blue blazer and red silk tie. They said his eyes became filled with tears as he begins to tremble when asked about his wife's death. He says, I just want to put it all behind me now. I'd really rather not discuss it. It's hard enough for me to deal with. I don't see how other people would want to hear about it." He said, it's been my decision, my policy not to talk. I'd rather stick to my policy. Store policy. Sorry.

Talk to the manager, man. I can't override it. I can't do it, man. I'm going to talk to my dad. He's the one who owns it. So they said that neither the lawyer nor the police will reveal the conditions at the time for an interview, which we found out later and I told you about. They said the police though, in their investigation, have many unanswered questions they believe only Jim can answer.

One of the homicide detectives said, we don't have the privilege of talking to him, we'd still like to talk to him very, very much. He's a primary witness, he's allegedly the last person who saw his wife alive. We'd like to know more of what transpired the preceding day that night, what happened the night before.

Which we have a general idea because they went to three different stores and they were doing shit. So they believe that interviewing Krausenick can help lead them to an arrest, but they're unwilling to conduct an interview under conditions. They said there's no law, obviously, that states an individual help lead them to an arrest, but they're unwilling to conduct an interview under conditions. They said there's no law, obviously, that states an individual has to talk to the police,

you don't have to talk to anybody. So the only way they can force him would be to subpoena him to testify before a grand jury. They said in New York State, however, an individual who testifies before a grand jury is given immunity from prosecution in that case unless they waive that right. So if they want to, they want him to test, if they want to talk to him, they got to subpoena

him for a grand jury and at that point they can't charge him with anything or use anything he said against him. Now it's all complicated. So yeah, so they said we've elected not to subpoena Mr. Krausenack because that like automatically gives him immunity. They said we don't want to give him immunity in the case, just in case. They also said they wanted to have a child psychologist talk with Sarah, but Jim wouldn't allow it.

Because you can twist anything from a kid. You can twist a kid's words, you can make a kid believe something that they... There's a lot of tons of... You can push a kid into thinking anything and saying anything. That's the problem with that. So I don't think I would let my daughter do that either without having my people there to help out. That happens a lot.

They said a little more time spent with her and we probably would have been able to get more information, but as time passed, it certainly wouldn't have been beneficial to the child's welfare to pursue questioning. They think she probably forgot. They said the case is open and they're pursuing active leads. The one cop said, I was very optimistic in the beginning.

I'm a little pessimistic now, but this case will never be closed. It will remain open. There's always a chance that someday this individual may slip up, meaning the killer here. Someday this individual may slip up meaning the killer here So yeah, this is and like I said while this is going on it is complete fucking panic in the neighborhood complete panic they's there's the people in the streets are talking to the cops are talking to the press and One resident said we just want to forget the whole thing and go on with our lives But they said this is a tragedy that rocked our community. When you see the figure of a female lying in bed with an ax in her head, you don't just wanna walk out

of there and forget it ever happened. So they said local hardware stores are selling deadbolt locks and security systems and police stations are flooded with calls, not with information, with questions of have you arrested anybody for that yet? Get them. Get them, let's go. So they said it was just a brutal thing and they're all terrified. Now at the time Jim goes back to Michigan they still own the house. Oh?

Okay so a young couple in August of 1982, this is fucking a few months after this happened. They lease the house from Krausenek with an option to buy. Is that right? We'll go, shit, 200 bucks off the murder house? Fuck it, let's do it. Wow. That's a couple that's looking for a bargain right there. That's just-

That's a couple on a budget that- That's bargain hunting. Yeah. They looked around for murders that took place and they were like there we go once they get the blood out of the master I think this is gonna be beautiful we could do this so yeah they said they were working out a deal to buy the house from him because I mean Jim just wants rid of this place basically a psychological profile of the killer is sent for basically they go to Quantico. If you've seen mine hunter this

is exactly what they were doing this is the profiler department here and so they have a profile they won't release it or say anything about it they just say that the detective said it's a piece of evidence that I have in case this case comes to trial. So they're gonna keep it and if it tends to match up, happens to match up with a suspect later they'll use it in trial but if they put it out now then that would be bad if it doesn't match up to the person who actually did it. So they're just gonna sit on it. So Jim and Sarah had moved to St. Clair, Michigan. Kathy's buried there. Jim worked for his father's store. He gets remarried in 1986. Oh, but his divorce

nine months later. So he was just trying to find something to latch on to somebody. You know, somebody, somebody told he told somebody about it. And then eventually they were like, look, it's enough. You got to get beyond this. Or he just married somebody that he didn't really like because he wanted to get a female figure for Sarah and he was trying, he was trying to rebuild his family basically, you know, trying to make it out of something. Then they end up moving to Washington State, Jim and Sarah. All the way out west, near his sister and brother-in-law

and his parents also bought a home in Washington with plans to retire there. So it's just gonna be a, they're gonna move their whole brood from Michigan out to Washington basically. And so the case though, little progress. The police, they still keep doing things. They travel back to St. Clair, Michigan in 1984 and 1985. The latter trip was trying to get an interview with Sarah

and that was unsuccessful. They said no. Then in 1986, a DA named Howard Rellen consulted the Monroe County Medical Examiner, Dr. Nicholas Forbes. Forbes estimated that depending on the rate the body cooled, that she could have died as early as 5.55 a.m.

Who knows? They're like, can you give us maybe 6.30 is tough? Can you just, if we could get it back to to six then we could put another suspect in here and But he said there's no precise way to determine time of death. This is all a big guessing game so they said at this point James is the only suspect and They determined that his guilt could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt Just by saying that it she could have died as early as 555. They have no other evidence. So no physical evidence. So the case is very, very cold. Now they kind of just

give up on it. Got colder, colder. It's, it's cold as a cold is a fucking bright and night in February. So they kind of put it on the shelf basically. I mean, those cases are always active if someone comes forward but there's no one actively working it probably. 1988, the matter was reviewed periodically apparently. Probably once a year they do a sweep through cold cases just to say they did it basically. So in 1988 the Brighton police sought to educate younger officers in the case details as officers working the case originally had started to retire now.

So they need to get everyone familiar with it. The file was also updated as Brighton police learn new information such as you know when Jim changed residences or got married they would note that in the file as well. They said leads occasionally came in and were investigated but there was never anything useful that came So 1991 comes around nine years That's they've never it's a long fucking time. They've never made an arrest They've never even established a fucking motive even for jim. They don't have a motive

Because they didn't have a bunch of insurance or anything like that. They weren't fighting they weren't about to get divorced fighting over the kid Literally, no reason it's not like and also it's not like he had a girlfriend they found out and they were together a week later. He was not, didn't have a girlfriend and there's literally zero reason to murder your wife with an axe here. So that's what's a little bit weird. So family members in Michigan by 1991 are complaining to the press, to the police, to anyone that'll listen that the investigation is targeting Jim still without any evidence

nine years later they won't leave this poor fucking man alone is basically what his side is saying. So Krausenek never spoke publicly about anything since 1983 when he talked to the cops. Now they talk to him in 1991 here, sitting outside Seattle. 1991 sitting in Seattle, I assume, in a flannel shirt. Fresh from a Soundgarden show. He's just sitting there.

He's only 39, so maybe. Tired. Tired, real tired. He's been washing all night. It's been a rough one, yeah. It was a Pearl Jam Soundgarden double bill. It was really tough over there Oh, wait, so he says still he has no theory about how or why his wife was killed

He said you wrestle with that for so long and finally you just give up trying to figure it out There's no logic in it. He said He said, you know, hopefully there's no statute of limitations. He said hopefully they'll find somebody Maybe and he said that the only reason he agreed to discuss this case with the newspaper was he thought maybe an article would jog someone's memory or something and they would find something. They talk about that he hasn't allowed Sarah to be interviewed without his consent, which you know, he's she's a minor so she can't. So she said that, he does say that Sarah,

who was 12 at this time, did have independent memories of her mother's death. She does remember it, but yeah. He says, I think Sarah knows what happened to her mom. She was there that day. It's not something we talk about very often. I think she has her own way of thinking about it. She's had to figure out her own way of dealing with it.

Yeah, that's tough. Now, Kathy's sister, Annette, the one that stayed with them for a year in Virginia, she's a social worker in Detroit and she has ideas about who it is. Yeah. She says, quote, I think it was just some crazed psycho, either mistaken identity or high on drugs, who broke in and probably doesn't remember to this day what happened, so he'll never confess. She said, Kathy has no enemies. She led an almost perfect life. There was no reason for anyone to kill her.

True, and relatives, and this is interesting, not only Jim's relatives, but Kathy's relatives also complained that the investigation seemed to focus only on Jim And they don't believe he did it So they're like you're wasting your fucking time and her dad's got to feel so guilty cuz he's the one that told him to put Shoes on yeah, that's I mean if he didn't put shoes on none of this ever happened So she says this is a net says I still believe that the police needed someone to point a finger at To get the general public off their back.

I'm speaking on behalf of my whole family when I say we're still behind Jim 100%. Wow. So that's the Schloser family. But the detectives said that they're upset that the family hasn't cooperated fully with them. He said, I guess my big, this is a ridiculous statement by the way, because it's nine years later. Quote, I guess my biggest disappointment in the whole case is the lack of participation by the victim's family. They have never banged on my desk,

hollered at me, wanted something done. Do we have to, you're a fucking homicide detective. Yeah, you got, you get a paycheck. You need to do two leaders too. You put the files up there? And you're like whoever comes in and yells at me. I'll go investigate that case next the fuck are you talking about? This is a self-motivated fucking business here CD lamb has chicks dressed in really short skirts and pom-poms making his day. What if she didn't? What if she didn't have any family? Then what?

You just go, hey, fuck it, cool, it's a freebie for us. Throw it on the shelf and never look at it again. Fuck these people. What are we talking about? It's fucking crazy. So Annette Schlosser says, would it make the police feel better if we went down there and pounded on the door?

Is that their way of telling us you're protecting Jim? Which is basically yes. Yeah. Asked if he resented the way the police have conducted in their investigation on everything, Jim said, quote, maybe they're misdirected, but who knows? Maybe that's part of their job. Which is very reasonable.

It's a very reasonable statement. Jim said he was working in the lumber industry at this point, and he said the killing has changed his priorities. He said parenthood has become the most important thing in life. He said that was kind of Cathy's job before and now it's kind of my job. Well it was kind of your job then too

and still is, is really the way it works. He said I don't think about it often but that's something I think about that I owe to her. Okay, is to take care of their daughter. Yeah, I would say so, Jim. Other family here, they said they're sad. Kathy's family talks about this. Kathy's brother-in-law said it would certainly help

just to kind of finish things. And her sister Annette said, of course I want justice and I'd want to see that person go through the same kind of cruelty that he or she put Kathy through. But I think if the killer has to cut was to come up now, it would make it very difficult. I don't know if it would be better or worse. I want to whack him in the head with an axe. Well, I think it's been over 10 years. So they're like, you know, the wounds are healing. Yeah.

Is it going to just make it? Is it going to it gonna help it's not gonna help us much And it's just gonna be now years of this and court and appeals and you know, there's gonna be a lot of shit So who knows they're thinking maybe it's better if it just all goes away and we try to forget it sure 1997 Jim meets his current wife Sharon He talks to her her and she an old friend to his actually known her for years named Sharon James She talks to her, an old friend of his actually, known her for years, named Sharon James. They were at a trade show, they ran into each other, and they date from 97 to 99 and get married in 1999. Now from 1992 to 1999, 2000, a lot of things change. Number one, Jim gets remarried and all that kind of thing.

Kathy's sister now has completely changed her mind. Oh? Completely changed her mind. From 100% behind him to how much behind him? Zero percent now. Oh, okay. Zero. Absolutely, now he's 100%, he's 100% against him now. She now says he had motive to commit murder.

Yeah. Which I'm still wondering about that. They said that she and her family believed that Cathy discovered her husband and lied to his employer, and that's what caused the whole thing. Sure. She said, my sister Cathy was all about education.

Yeah. Yeah. Way more than feeding her daughter and all that kind of stuff. It's way more than the rest of the stuff in life. She just cared that you had a doctorate, that was it. She was all about social status. She wanted the best for her and her family

and we believe that when she found out Jim didn't get his PhD, he was confronted and I think you can take the rest from there. Can you? Very easily, yeah. Really? Wow, right from there. From a fight about, well I'm getting it

and it's fine and Kodak's gonna keep me and we can keep our lifestyle and pay our bills to I'm gonna murder you is a huge stretch. Embedding it, dropping an act. Well, you figure Kodak wasn't even that mad at him. They didn't even care. No, right. How the fuck is Panathy gonna be, yeah,

you have to kill her worth of men. Jesus Christ. 2005 comes around. Okay. It has been 23 fucking years now. Enter this one guy we're going to talk about here. This is fucking funny. Remember our current affair? That shit at the end? Well in 2005 there was a current affair too. Oh was there? Yeah because they got rid of a current affair and they were like, people really are clamoring for a current affair again. So, and they said that the mysteries were the cornerstone of their show.

And they said that this show, this case fit their show perfectly. The producer said it was the awfulness of the crime and the lack of any understandable motive or scenario that would explain it. It's like an unsolved mysteries. It's interesting so the Enter Mark Henderson the bright and new Brighton police chief He looks like a meathead of the highest order He looked like he played high school football hit his head lot, went to community college for six months, and then joined the police force,

and somehow now he's chief, and his main quote is, duh, that's what he looks like. He could be- Gave out a lot of tickets to get this job. Oh boy, I could be totally wrong, but he looks dumb as shit, and that doesn't help. So, he is watching. Stay St. Helpe.

No. Jesus Christ. So the producer of the episode actually sent the episode to the new police chief of Brighton. Yeah. Trying to get some kind of, I don't know, get a quote from him or what. So it was at this point that the FBI

was preparing a cold case collaboration with local police to tackle long unsolved crimes all over the country. So the current affair two segment, they said provided a tight synopsis of the whole thing. They're good at putting that shit in the 15 minutes. So anybody who doesn't know anything about the case can get caught up real quick with that. They said he was the only one who really did something

with it, meaning Henderson. Henderson was delighted because it basically laid out a lot of the story. He's like, I don't even have to read now, good. They had to be a file and I was like, there's a lot of words in this, you know, and I put it down.

They got the pictures and everything. I said, give me anything with more pictures? And he said, there's pictures of the scene and he was like, I need pictures of like people, I don't know nothing, I can't read these names. Who are they? This is hard. Oh jeez Could I should I tell is this the guy should I tackle him? No, no, you want to talk to him?

Sit him down interview. So I should tackle him. Yeah, just tackle him. I think that's why I'll send a bigger message I think that he'll realize that we're on to him then you know what I mean if I tackle real good He's gonna know dad now up until that he won't know you know And then, up until then, he won't know, you know? I have a lot of questions. This former chief of the police here, Eugene Shaw, who headed the department in 1982 and was chief for 22 years, kept parts of the police file on his desk.

Some nights after reviewing the files or receiving an occasional tip, he would make a cassette recording at home about the unsolved murder. So he's kind of kept a good case file. So Henderson, Meathead Henderson reexamines the case along with Brighton Police Investigators and they enlist the help of the district attorney

also to assign investigators so they can have more people looking at this. Okay, so they are hot on Jim's trail here. Almost got him, yeah. Almost got him. Then in 2014, that was 2005, now we're in 2014. Yeah. Nothing happened of it. There's a guy named Ed Larrabee, Edward Larrabee. He's 59 years old in 2014. He's been in prison since 1994. My God. Yeah, he's serving two

life sentences for sexual abuse, rape and attempted murder pretty good guy He's a yeah, he's one of the worst guys ever the Department of Corrections Confirms all of his charges. He is a career rapist. He's called. Why do they know here? Breaking entering rapists. That's what he does he breaks into suburban homes and apartments and rapes women and They think kill some of them, too They're trying to pin murders on him. He lives a five-minute walk from Jim and Kathy's house Oh, that's where he lived in 1980 straight five-minute walk. Not even drive right there. Okay

Now while Ed is in prison here This is for all the shit we talked about He is sent to a medical center in 2001 after complaining of chest pains. One of the two, then he does this in July of 2001, by the way, while one of the two corrections officers assigned to guard him left briefly for the restroom, Larrabee took the nurse's call cord,

wrapped it around correction officer Patrick Keeley's neck and attempted to strangle him to death. That's what a good guy this is. He's in the hospital in prison for chest pains. As soon as he sees an opportunity, he tries to strangle one of the fucking officers to death. Is that right? This guy is a problem, obviously.

So during the struggle, the officer managed to free himself, but sustained injuries, obviously. So he was then charged with two counts of attempted murder in the first degree, one count of escape in the second degree as well. Wow, that is crazy. So they tried to present psychological, psychiatric evidence to this whole thing.

The trial court granted his motion to hire a psychiatrist to evaluate those aspects of the case that you feel are relevant to this, possible defenses that would be available. Okay, now, we'll talk about this. They said that he goes to see a psychiatrist and does all this.

At trial, he admitted that he had placed the call, a cord around the officer's neck, but that he had placed the call a cord around the officers neck but claimed he had only done so to facilitate his own escape not to intend try to kill the guy I was just trying to scare him as a sort of strangle him unconscious so I could walk away happy yeah that's not a good thing yeah he said he was motivated to his to escape because his life was in danger after he was identified as a snitch who had cooperated with Corrections authorities trying to locate weapons at the facility

He tried to get some extra fucking privileges and now they want to strangle him. So Anyway, he said that he the prison administration had received anonymous notes threatening Larrabee So he was placed in protective custody after being stabbed by another inmate, but the threats of violence and harassment continued. So, this is the thing, by 2014, and I'm just gonna give you an idea of who we're dealing with, a rapist and a psychopath and just a guy who's a real problem.

In 2014, he's dying from ALS, so karma works sometimes. Sure does. Gave him the worst most painful horrible way to fucking die for a guy who absolutely deserves it That's good So at this point obviously he's a career criminal He you know has been arrested and you know considered a criminal for rape and attempted murder all this type of shit while he's dying, he is confessing to things that he did. And a lot of them, and they are, it's all checking out all the shit he did. It says he killed a woman named Stephanie Kupchinsky, who we'll talk

about, which he did kill her. She was definitely dead and he definitely killed her. He also writes a written confession saying he killed Kathy Krausenach. Oh. Lives a five minute walk away. Okay. Okay. Now the authorities though say no, we don't buy it. They don't believe him.

They don't believe it. They said that he mischaracterized her as a brunette. So that's the only reason. That's it. That's the one fatal flaw Meanwhile this happened 30 years ago over 30 years before this and he's done a lot of horrible shit since then and it was early In the morning. Yeah, seven a.m. Drawing and blonde hair could look darker who the fuck knows? Yeah

Also, he thought he sexually assaulted her as well and they said said he didn't sexually, she wasn't sexually assaulted because she was sleeping the whole time. So that, it can't be right. He's gotta be lying. So they said at the scene they found no evidence of sexual abuse, so they said they do not take, they take no action with that Larrabee. Meanwhile, he absolutely insists that he did it.

He describes the house, he describes breaking in with the mall, he describes that there was a kid there, he described everything. Like he fucking, seems to me like he went in to probably try to rape her, heard a fucking kid stirring and said, oh shit. Gotta go. Fuck this. You know, because he's never done anything to kids in his criminal record, so maybe he

said, oh fuck, I don't want to have to kill a kid. Let me kill this lady quick and get the fuck out of here Yeah, and that would make sense to do if he was gonna steal shit that it got left behind No matter what scenario you paint It's much more believable than the husband did it then the husband with no motive did it and no reason to otherwise There's a cottonist from Kodak. Yeah, or the or the rapist attempted murderer lunatic who lived a five-minute walk and it gets worse, too There's more evidence for it. So it gets even worse here. It's crazy Now the Stephanie Kupchinsky that he admitted to killing here. This was in 1991. He said he murdered her He provided details that would and he ended up actually being charged with that murder.

Oh, and several other crimes he admitted to do they were going to charge him with but he died before anything happened because he had a less and was dying. So it didn't matter. Didn't matter. Now, Ed Larabee had a horrible reputation, even in prison as a violent lunatic, obviously, as we've described here, one of the detectives who investigated him said, Larrabee hunted women. He was a psychopath. Before dying in prison in 2014, he was locked up on a total of 32 years on charges that ultimately included attempted murder, robbery, and his sixth specialty, rape. But all too often, Larrabee was released back on the streets.

And they said, and every time he was free he would rape again. And he liked to laugh at women and humiliate them. Oh boy. He's a great guy this said Larrabee. So you have this guy who's a fucking raging psychopath living five fucking minutes away and saying he did it. Why would he admit to this out of the blue? Out of the fucking blue.

Because she was already dead because her husband did it. Why would he admit to this out of the blue because of fucking blue because she was already dead because her husband Did it yeah, he came into rape and was like oh wow He even said I killed her with an axe even said they put an axe in her fucking head absolutely So it's it's pretty goddamn gross here the Though there's a woman named Rachel rear She is Stephanie Kupchinsky's step-sister And she wrote a story called catch the sparrow which is about this whole thing

Stephanie was a 27 year old music teacher and violinist when he killed her which is fucking crazy 1991 he was freshly paroled after serving a sentence for robbery and he came back to this area and He got a job at the Newcastle apartment complex, which is where Stephanie lived. And he later on said to the cops too, well, they were stupid to hire me. Yeah. She went missing in July of 1991, Stephanie.

Her car was found at the airport a few days later. In 1998, seven years later, July of 1991 Stephanie her car was found at the airport a few days later in 1998 seven years later her skeletal remains were located along a creek in a remote area of off Route 104 in the town of Murray in Orleans County. Larrabee was always a suspect he was a maintenance worker at the apartment complex where they where she lived so that means he had keys to people's fucking apartments He had served three stints in present prison for rape sexual abuse and armed robbery Why would you give this guy keys to everybody's apartment? What the fuck are you people? What this Wow?

That is the most irresponsible hire in the history of the fucking world And he had just been released eight months before the death before the murder so Did they was him on like monster calm like the actual? Yeah, I'm on sir. They got it. They got they got him on fucking Perverted rapist calm I believe that would be wow They got him on violent rapist org. That's a dot org. Oh, that's a you know the original monster org was It was just monsters.

It was just bad people. You're just looking for murderers and rapists. I'd like to hire a rapist. Where do I find one? Now the cops say Larrabee was just seeking to be moved to a hospital before his death. So that's why he said it. So it doesn't matter that he said he killed Kathy.

Even though all the other shit he said, they found to be true. That one's not true though, So it doesn't matter that he said he killed Kathy, even though all the other shit he said, they found to be true. That one's not true though, sorry. Not gonna do that. So James's lawyers, James Krausenek's lawyers say, what about this asshole? Leave me the fuck alone. This guy's a fucking dickhead.

In 1982, by the way, this is the other thing, he found out through the case files, his lawyer did, that in 1982, the Brighton police tried to question Larrabee about this murder because he lived five fucking minutes away and was a prime candidate for this But he refused to talk to them. So they just gave up and concentrated on Jim Crazy They said that Larrabee said he couldn't remember if Kathy was in bed or out of bed

when he struck her with the axe. And he said she was naked and also said she had brown hair. So they said, well, it couldn't have been you. I mean, he got the axe, he got the murder weapon right. He got the murder, and he got the exact location of the house right too. He said it's on this fucking street right here. Cause he said he jogged that morning as we'll talk about.

He said he jogged in a ski mask and was just looking for places to break into and rape and steal. That's what it was. Um, so they said that, you know, Krausen ex lawyers are like, wouldn't 32 years of past time, maybe muddle this guy's shit. Plus he's on a shitload of medication and ALS and all this shit. Wouldn't that be anything? So no.

They said no, not at all. Wow. The defense says that the Brighton police knew about Larrabee since 82 and did nothing to determine his whereabouts the morning of the murder. He wouldn't talk so they just gave up. Wow. That is fucking crazy now 2014 Ed Larrabee dies, which is great. Yeah. Yeah Now Ed said by the way

he He fucking says tells everybody that he Won't admit to anything. He didn't do he said I don't want to be accused admit to anything he didn't do. He said I don't want to be accused of shit I didn't do. I did bad things but don't fucking pin other people's bad things on me. That was a big thing for him. Ed wasn't the type of guy to say he did a murder he didn't do. You know what I mean?

There is honor amongst them. Yeah, for him. Well I guess he had, he claimed to have committed over a dozen homicides Oh in the letter he wrote to police which seems that tracks that's If you'll do if you'll do what you did with Stephanie, you'll do that a hundred times. Yeah Yeah, yeah, and and if you get away with it, you're gonna get better at it Absolutely. Yeah, that's that's how it works So they said that the cop one cop who got the letter said, I received so many letters from prison

and have to be somewhat selective in what I decide to pursue. Well, I don't know, open cases, let's try those. So in response, I asked him for some proof. He did not bite and accuse me of manipulation, but he wanted to set one record straight that he had no conscience. So this is not because I feel guilty.

Yeah. Yeah. Also any claims that police had been expert sleuths in solving the homicide should be discounted. He said that he confessed because he wanted something in return. He wanted to die in a hospital, not in prison. So he was confessing. Larrabee wrote, quote am not I am what psychopath would psychiatrist call a sociopath I can assure you for better or worse that I am not burdened by more Morality ethics or remorse and I certainly do not possess a conscience that needs to be cleansed That's what he said. He said the cop said when I learned our Larrabee said when I learned I was gonna die I initiated contact offering cooperation of value.

So he's saying, listen. I did all this. I did this shit, I'll tell you what I did. April 2015, the Krausenac case is reopened and the FBI gets involved. Now that Ed's dead, Ed Larrabee's dead and we can sweep that under the floor. So this is under direction of Chief Linebacker Mark Henderson

here going, FBI, can you help us, please? He did a thorough review of the case, including a travel to interview potential witnesses, persons with knowledge, suspects, all that shit. In June of 2015, Chief Henderson attended a meeting of the FBI Buffalo Cold Case Group and presented Crousinec Case to the group. After a Q&A period in which several ideas on how to proceed were discussed, the entire

case file was given to the FBI to be digitized. So Chief Henderson contacted the Krausenack family to let them know that they reopened the case. Okay. So, yeah, the district attorney agreed to assist in the investigation and the DA personally participated in selecting evidence to be sent to Quantico. And then she said, we're looking to see if there was an outside contributor if we could justify or if we could identify a suspect.

We needed to get the truth so we're trying to test as many items as possible to see what we can learn and then you know we would direct the investigation in that direction. Okay. Now yeah I guess that makes sense they won't but they're just now they can test things for like touch DNA and shit like that. It's a lot different. So anything they still have. But how many items are you still going to have on file? There's not going to be many.

I mean, Jesus Christ. So April of 2016, New York investigators pay Jim a visit, a surprise visit to his home in Gig Harbor, Washington. He now lives by the water, he's got a boat, he's like, he's doing great. He had the shoes, now he's got the boat. He's got it all, he put the shoes before the boat, it's like the cart before the horse.

You don't wanna put the shoes before the boat. But you know what? You put the shoes out there in the universe, a boat comes back to you. That's how it works, right? You gotta have the shoes to get the you gotta dress for the job you want James Yeah, what if you get the boat and you don't have any shoes to wear on it fucked You're gonna come on this boat and not dress like a captain. What the who do you think you are? We didn't know hat next give me a fucking break So one of the detectives asked Jim outright if

he had something to do with his wife's death and he said no and the cop said I think you did he goes well I didn't I said I didn't and they were like that that wasn't they came to an impasse there fuck I thought maybe if I just surprised him and asked him he wouldn't you know he wouldn't have a chance to think about it we'll just say yeah I did I mean no fuck Jesus damn it No, so that is pretty wild so the FBI is involved still and the Brighton police chief Mark Henderson Said the purpose of this review is to bring justice to for a young mother a young person that was murdered and to bring Clojure to the family duh yeah

that's his exact quote so we by the way he's probably still the chief we got to stay the fuck away from this area because we will this guy will have us arrested post haste is it brighton it's brighton police right yeah we're staying away from brighton far away from there boy so uh investigators re-interviewed everybody. They traveled to three different states, all this shit. One of the cops said, we're now in the phase where we're going to take the evidence and ship it to Quantico. So that's what they're doing here.

And the FBI said we were able to provide analytical and forensic expertise. And like I said, the working group was formed to help police departments in cases like this. So yeah, that's what they're doing. One of the guys investigating said, I'd say the last three and a half to four months, 100% of my time is dedicated to this. We're not wasting time here.

We're making some good progress. I think the public needs to know that, and I'm very optimistic as to what the outcome of this case is going to be. 2017, Kathy's mom dies. Oh no. Her and her pierogies. She's buried in a pierogi casket.

God damn. That's what it is. Actually, they just encased her in a pasta thing, like a pierogi. She's the potato now. 2018, the authorities contact a pathologist to try to back up their claims. Great call, yeah. Yeah, the thing is, there's been a lot of doctors

and pathologists who's looked at this, including FBI doctors, pathologists from the Brighton Police Department at the time, who was a very well-respected pathologist, by the way. This wasn't some dipshit small town person, actually very well respected. So it's been looked at a bunch of times. But they need someone who will say what they want them to say. And there's one guy who fits that description perfectly who will say anything you fucking

pay him to say because he's a hack complete fucking loser, hack piece of shit, money hungry, fucking scumbag and that's Dr. Michael Botten. Love that. Love him. Yeah, you might know him from that stupid TV show he had. Yeah, Autopsy. Where, yeah, where he acted like he was very important and acted like he was, like he was acting for half of that fucking show, which is what annoyed me about it.

This guy is a bought and paid for hack. Okay. In my opinion, I'll say, just to make it like that. But he is, so he used to be a respected guy who did good work, and then he just at one point said, well fuck it, I need money. So. We all do, yeah.

When he was a young New York City medical examiner, he confirmed the autopsies of men shot during the 71 Attica riot. He worked on the JFK assassination. Okay, that one's good. To look for... Right? I don't know. Well, no, to look for like tracks of the wounds and shit like that. He worked on Martin Luther King also.

Yeah. So this is all stuff he was doing when he was a legitimate guy. Yeah. Then later on, after he became a bought and paid for hack I'm gonna say both post TV probably probably him when he really liked attention He in 2007 he testified on Phil Spector's behalf attaboy I don't know if you guys have known seen anything about the Phil Spector case You know a bonus episode on it and seem real

It is really obvious that he killed her now. He fucking killed her Nope two people in a room one of them shot and killed the other one comes out with the gun in their hand and the other Person's blood all over him and the other persons spatter all over him Okay, so pretty fucking cut and dry anyone who saw anything about that went. Wow. I don't care how much money he has He's going to prison for this. This is worse than OJ sound don't care. You've got blood Dominant on yeah, I don't get magical mystery tour my fucking ass Don't give a shit about this This whole case is a magical mystery fucking tour

This whole case is a magical mystery fucking tour So he during this Phil Spector case of Baudin sought to provide an alternate Alternate explanation for blood on the victim's jacket. Okay when asked by a prosecutor, this is what a hack He is number one bullshit. Hey, he's just doing this for money number two when the prosecutor because he's testifying for the defense Obviously when the prosecutor asked him if's testifying for the defense obviously, when the prosecutor asked him if he had any conflicts of interest in this case, he said quote, none that I can think of. Not one. It was later revealed that his wife was one of Spector's main attorneys. You can't do that. No, but you can, but you have to fucking disclose it. You have to give the jury that to Wayne. That's my point. You can't just

say. He doesn't because he's a fucking bought and paid for hack You know who else he testified for who's that? Oh, Jay? Oh well now that's fine if you were testifying for OJ What he did though was total I mean, I don't know how much he had to be paid for this because what I mean this stretches the credulity of any humans Imagination here. This is what a hack he is. He claimed first that Nicole Brown was still standing

and conscious when her throat was slashed, which we know isn't true, we know she was knocked down first. The purpose of this claim was to dispute the theory that Brown was the intended target. Like she came out and just discovered it and got her throat slashed and she fell down, rather than she was the initial point of the attack.

And she wanted to break it up. Exactly. The prosecution argued that Brown was murdered first and the intended target of the attack she was because the soles of her feet didn't have any blood on them despite the large amounts of blood at the crime scene, and that she was unconscious when her throat was cut because she

had very few defensive wounds. At the subsequent civil trial the following year, he then disowned that claim. Biden did. Yeah, sorry, I mean, whatever you pay him to say, even if he said the opposite last year, he'll be like, nope, this is true now. They paid me to say this. It's fucking crazy. He disowned the claim and admitted it was absurd to think that someone would stand still without their feet moving while their throat was being slashed and not fighting back. But he had testified to that in open fucking court under oath, under oath the year before. Also in the OJ case, in order to make it so the time of death for them was a little bit later to put OJ outside the window. He claimed that Ron Goldman had gotten his jugular vein slashed and severed and still

fought the assailant for 10 minutes. Wow. Okay, I've been a bouncer. I've been whatever. I've seen a bouncer. Yeah, I've been whatever I've seen a lot of fights Yeah, I have never in my life seen a street fight last ten minutes That's a lot last ten minutes. No, they don't know a riot barely lasts that long I'm two men fighting does not last ten minutes I'll go I'll go to the point of I've seen a lot of fights that once somebody has any blood leaking out of them

Then it's over. Yes, that's a thing. That's a different thing. I mean, there's no knives involved. It's just punching. And when there's other people around to stop it too. When there's blood coming from somebody's face, you stop. This was a sustained attack to murder somebody, but for 10 minutes you're able to fight back?

Ten minutes of severe shooting blood out of your jugular. somebody. Yeah. But for 10 minutes you're able to fight back. 10 minutes bleeding, severe shooting blood out of your jugular. That's that's pure pure hackery because that just lines up with OJ's alibi. That's just bullshit. He just said how long do we need? Yeah, you could fight for 10 minutes. That's that's that's it. That's complete hackery. Bodden claimed at the subsequent civil trial. He initially denied making that claim. Oh. Then was confronted with a video clip of him saying the exact fucking thing at trial. Oh yeah, well, and who's this saying this?

Then he disowned it and said he must have misunderstood the question. I don't know what the question is. But the Goldman's attorney alleged that he said it because the defense paid him to do so, because that's who he is. He also alleged that Baden knowingly gave false testimony because he knew that Ron Goldman's blood was found inside Simpson's Bronco despite Goldman never having an

opportunity to be in the car. After the trial, Bodden said testifying for Simpson was a mistake and his reputation and credibility never recovered and his clientele and his cult consulting practice all but vanished. Well, don't be a fucking hack then. It's also good that he, that clearly aged him because he looks worse than Ron Jeremy now. Yeah he does and he should. He spent his life lying not fucking so he should.

Or not raping or whatever the fuck Ron Jeremy did allegedly. But Ron Jeremy got technicalities or some shit I don't know. Evidently he's an innocent man. I don't know. Oh very innocent. I'm not defending that man. No, no. He just looks better than Bodden at this point. By the way, the jurors in the OJ case,

several of them cited Dr. Bodden's testimony as one of the main reasons they said that they acquitted him. Is that right? He fucked it up. Absolutely. Yeah, because he's supposed to be a respected guy. So that is ridiculous. Oh, by the way, he collected a hundred and sixty five thousand dollar payment for that To go up and say that bullshit in the early 90s in the early in the mid 1995. That's great money That's a shitload of money. Yeah, so that's that's who he is who button

He also testified for he took money from Jeffrey Epstein's family He's just a great guy. Hold on. He's just a great guy Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself He's trying to say that Jeffrey Epstein Dean Epstein didn't kill himself. So the family can sue. Oh my god What an asshole if you pay him he will say he's the reason for all this Epstein didn't kill himself shit. No, I mean that's conspiracy theory anyway But that's just you know that anyone say that but he's contributing. Oh, he absolutely does Yeah, he'd be happy to as long as you had give him some money so October 2019 dr. Bart Bodden reports his

Quote I'm gonna use everything in quotes his findings Here because his credibility is fucking shot That completely shot so court papers in the Krasnick homicide note that the formula uses a formula of time of death Uses a rate of one and a half degrees temperature decrease per hour from the time of the of the rectal temperature reading recognizing there will be variations such as ambient temperature and body mass and they adjust for that. So the deputy Monroe County Medical Examiner Dr. Evelyn Lewis who by the way just died now so she can't come defend her work because she just died she conducted the 82 autopsy here. Crouson X defense attorneys here, just attorneys, contend that the prosecutor should have told

grand jurors the earlier times, earlier time estimates did not, like Dr. Baudin's, narrow the time frame of homicide to before 630. Basically, Dr. Baudin's the only pathologist on earth who looked at this and said, oh, it was before 6 30 a.m The only one he said could have been as early as 9 30, but I think it was between 3 30 and 6 30 That's his fucking thing shit That's what he said. He's the only one of that Bodden also did not tell grand jurors of the differing conclusion

So it's just they sat him up there and he just said this is the time of death and that was taken as fact Huh and a grand jury you don't get to You don't get to present defense. So it's just the prosecution and they just put out what they want to put out to get an indictment Because if they if they would have brought all the other pathologists work in there Then they the jury would have had to decide who was right Whereas they didn't do that just brought one guy in there. He said on the stand that he thinks it appears that Kathy died around 3.30 a.m. So the prosecutors say, well, Jim was home at that point.

In the report, he wrote that heat loss for Kathy Krausenck was likely one degree per hour because she was heavily clad and covered by a comforter and an electric blanket, which by the way, we find out the electric blanket was not on the whole time. But he says, you know. That'll let you like a Yeti cooler. Yeah, that's how it is, yeah.

Fucking wow. So that's what he says. Now, then there's the neighbor of Kathy's saying she heard a moaning sound around one or two a.m., followed quickly by a dog barking, and they said, well, there you go, that's what it is. Dr. Bodden wrote in his report, the timing of that report is consistent with Kathy's body temperature,

the state of her rigor mortis and her stomach contents, which is complete bullshit. If she was killed before that, she'd still have food in her stomach and her bladder wouldn't be full. That's the point. If she was killed at one a.m., there's no way you're digesting 10 p.m. shrimp by 1 a.m. It just doesn't happen.

And she would have alcohol in her system still, and so it's fucking ridiculous. So defense lawyers here, for Jim, challenged the differing formula of the time of death and say that Bodden's misrepresenting the issue of her stomach contents, which can also formulate the time of death. Bodden credited the work of Lewis,

the original pathologist, then quote, misrepresented her conclusions regarding the gastric contents of stomach as they relate to time of death. He just picked and choose words he wanted to use on the stand. The contents of her stomach indicated she was killed four to six hours after her last meal. Now, that's what he said.

Now, while the original pathologist said her stomach contents were quote, quite empty and devoid of any food. Bodden said in his report that a fluid found in her stomach was indicative of some remaining food, even though no one else had ever seen this before. Right. Wow.

He said, so that means she was killed earlier. They also talked, the defense talked about her full bladder and all that, and he said, doesn't matter. Huh. Okay. November 2019, after it goes to grand jury, Jim is indicted and arrested. Is that right?

Yes, they arrest and indict him, by the way around. Okay, the Brighton police chief at this point, a different guy, David Cathaldi, said, we believe in examining the timeline of events, speaking with witnesses. Oh, so they got a new guy. Got a new guy. James Krause's next timeline that he provided,

along with all the other evidence, will establish that James was home at the time of the murder. That should just say Dr. Bodden says this, we have nothing else, because that's all it is. We trust him, he's got a New York accent. We trust him, he doesn't even, does he? I don't think he does.

Yeah, he sounds just like, yeah, he's from New York. I've never watched that shit because he looked like a fucking tool. He just looked like such a douchebag standing there. That picture of him over the table that they drain people on, that douchebag standing there. That picture of him over the table that they drain people on, that douchebag pose that he has. He's very New York, but in the show, in the first one, he just seemed very New York. He's on New York cases.

He's the Matt Rife of murder. Yeah, yeah. This guy. That's true. Just sad. And this Cathalde guy, he looks like he's never heard a podcast or heard that they exist, so. Probably not. I think we're all right.

It's probably 75, yeah. Yeah. The FBI takes credit, of course. You know, if they put any work into this, they want some credit. They say that forensics and DNA analysis played a key role in James' arrest and subsequent charges. There is no DNA analysis, none of that.

That's completely untrue. None of that comes up. They don't have any evidence of DNA or any evidence that it's him whatsoever. Matter of fact, both axe handles had not a speck of DNA on them. Well, that's not good. The one at the door and the one used in her head.

Neither of them at anything that is That is fucking crazy. So the FBI special assistant says I hope this case Serves a couple of purposes one It's a step toward closure for the victims family and two just as importantly because the years go by Just because years go by doesn't mean you can stop looking over your shoulder. We're coming for you. We're gonna get you.

We're gonna hire a hack doctor and make some shit up on this particular case. So pre-trial here, the district attorney insists that she has absolutely no doubt that Jim killed Kathy that day. Really? Wow. That's incredible, because I have a lot of doubts. No doubt.

Defense attorney said there's really no evidence that Jim killed his wife. Another attorney said that his client is nothing but innocent. Mr. Krausenack has been cooperative, as I said from the time this incident occurred, even during court. He came into court on his own and was nothing but respectful. And we look forward to addressing these allegations in court. So he is set for trial June 2nd, 2020. Okay. That didn't happen, obviously. No, no, no. Nope, that got delayed.

Yeah, so they never got to do that. COVID delays the trial until 2021. That's a while, yeah. And in the meantime, Netflix made a movie, quote, based on this story that is not at all based on this story at all Here is the description of the movie from Netflix an artist relocates to the Hudson Valley This is nowhere near the Hudson Valley. This is the this may as well be Shenandoah Valley. Yeah, I live in the Hudson Valley Yeah, this is an Ohio. It's the Ohio Valley. It's closer to the Ohio Valley than the fucking Hudson Valley

Wow and begins to suspect that her marriage has a sinister darkness one that rivals her new home's history. Oh so you got the the old lady curse. Yeah they went up with that angle of the curse of a high and it has 2.6 stars on IMDB so it's not very good. Fascinating choices of writing a show. That is crazy. So now Cathy's father who by the way is 93 years old at this point. The guy that loves shoes hates bare feet.

The guy that hates bare feet. He says he plans to travel from Michigan to Rochester to see this trial. Oh. Doesn't care how old he is. In his 90s. Yup he says I won't miss a day of it. He says I don't I won't miss a day of it. He says it's going I'm going to go hell or high water. I want to see him with the cuffs on. I don't even know what that saying means but it sounds like hell or high

water. I don't know. He's a horror come either bad scenario I guess. Either a horrific flood or just fire or fire that dries all the water up one or the other. So 2022 is the trial for Jim, which is crazy because it's 40 years later. That's what that's unbelievable. And they're going by one guy's fucking estimate of time of death. That's the only evidence there. To me, 40 years, unless you have a DNA strong piece of evidence, or Sarah comes forward and says, okay, fine, I saw my dad kill my mom, I don't want to hear about it anymore.

You don't have anything. This is crazy. Sarah is there, by the way, fully supporting him and sitting behind him, walking in with him. So, the court found no prejudice that Ed Larrabee is unable to testify for the defense, because the defense said, we got a guy saying he fucking did it and he's not available to testify. They said the evidence at the hearing showed that in 2014, Larrabee was aware of his illness, was aware it was terminal and was making confessions to anyone in law enforcement that would listen

in order to gain concessions of a burial outside the prison and other concessions such as a tombstone. Investigators were told by the New York State Police that Larrabee was even confessing to murdering persons that were known to still be living, although he made at least one legitimate confession in the opinion of authorities the case of Stephanie Kupchinsky. They said that, perhaps they said that this case, had this case been brought in 82 or 86 or at any time before Laura B became terminally ill he would have appeared and they don't think he would have appeared in court and confessed well no because he's why the fuck we confess that Jesus Christ so yeah they said they're gonna do that

the defense also argues that the significant delay in this whole thing you know 40 years and all has prejudiced his clients ability to defend himself against the charges because everybody that can witness on his behalf testify for him is dead. The pathologist, the original cops, Ad Larrabee, anybody who could possibly help him is dead. So they said you kind of just, you waited out till all the witnesses on the other side are dead

and then you can charge the guy, that's not right. So they point out that the original pathologist, Dr. Evelyn Lewis, passed away in 2018. Also two of his coworkers who gave statements to police saying he was perfectly normal that day and totally fine, they're dead too. And that he needed those people to go, I don't know, he seemed fine at 7 a.m. so he was his normal self. Which is crazy, if's a normal so your wife Yeah, you'd have to be an amazing actor to go from being fine all day to then coming home and being trembly and crying

And do it you'd have to be a great actor and he seems like a dork He doesn't seem like an actor, but who knows the defense argued that the original pathologist testimony would completely undercut Dr. Bodden's reliance on her autopsy findings as to stomach contents. Also, they cite police interviews with now deceased Eastman Kodak co-workers stating that Jim acted perfectly normal during the day of February 19, 1982 when they met with him. They also point out that the Brighton Police Department Sergeant Edward O'Grodnick passed away in 2011, he could have testified to the observation as found in his police report that the electric blanket over

Kathleen was in the off position. So that completely ruins Dr. Bodden's thing because he said the electric blanket is the main reason why he said that she was, the time of death was different. Okay. Okay, now, the defense also cites an death investigator, death of investigator, Tom Schrader, who passed away in 2005. The defense contends that he could have shed light on the Brighton investigation of Ed Larrabee,

a person the defense asserts was a likely suspect and should have been more thoroughly investigated. The defense also cites the death of former Brighton police chief Eugene Shaw at the time of the murder he met with investigator Schrader after Schrader's attempt to interview Larrabee in 1982. Also the death of Larrabee himself and of Dr. David Barry whom the defense alleges administered chemical castration drugs to Larrabee as a condition of his probation at the, whom the defense alleges administered chemical castration drugs to Larrabee as a condition of his probation at the time of the murder.

So they're saying at that point he couldn't have raped because he had chemical castration. That's why we know he did it and he couldn't have raped or even if he wanted to. There it is. Yeah. They also said that the sergeant could have testified that he found the blanket in the off position. The people have agreed to stipulate to this information which reduces any prejudice toward the defendant, the judge said.

But you're going to have stipulation or a person saying it's different. The person saying it is more. They said the state contends that despite a vigorous and thorough investigation, prosecutors harbored sincere concern that there was a lack of quality physical evidence connecting the defendant to the crime. The people argue that the prosecution did in fact exercise good faith in their decision to defer the prosecution for 40 years. The people argue the court should evaluate the decision to defer prosecution based on

the information available when the decision was made, that investigators in the 80s had absolutely no reason to believe that deferring the prosecution and keeping the case open as a cold case would not result in the discovery of new evidence. So basically they're saying, we couldn't have made this case in 1983. We couldn't have made this case

until Dr. Bodden wanted to buy a summer home. That's when we can do this case, when he really is trying to feather his nest egg. Yeah, we found out he's taking money and we paid. Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. So they said, though, the they found no significant, the FBI found no significant evidence of any third party being in the house forensically. So that means that even though they didn't find any evidence that James did do it, the lack of evidence that anybody else did, it means he must have done it.

It means he had to. Wow. Jim's expert disagrees with Dr. Bodden, obviously. So this is Dr. Catherine Maloney, a deputy chief medical examiner of Erie County, did some past autopsies of Cathy and Bodden's report and looked at all of that. She wrote in a February letter to defense lawyers that there are no new scientific findings that

would make Dr. Bodden's determinations accurate, as opposed to the 1982 conclusions. She looked over all the tests and said, I see what you did, and I see what you did. And that the 1982 autopsy, unlike Dr. Bodden's report and grand jury testimony, conforms to generally accepted principles of forensic pathology. Not some shit he made up, basically.

General ones, yeah. That's pretty crazy. Now, Jim says the state's twisting their evidence. They said testimony before the grand jury that Cathy's sister telephoned around 10 p.m. and was told by Jim that his wife was asleep and she said that was unusual because she wouldn't sleep that early. She goes to bed at 11 o'clock not 10 o'clock. So they're saying that by him lying to her then that's evidence. But then the 1982 phone records show

that the call was placed at 1121 p.m., not 10 p.m. when she said. So she went to bed right on time. Right on time. They said that is exactly when your sister goes to bed, isn't it? She said, yeah. Also, former colleagues from Kodak,

that's hard to say, colleagues from Kodak, said that Krowzinek told the grand jury that Krowzinek had acted agitated and more weird when she, on February 19th, 1982, offered him tickets for the Shrine Circus the next day. This testimony contradicted what she told the Brighton police in 1982. She changed her story.

At the time, she said he didn't act unusual at all 40 years later when they're telling her look this guy's guilty She goes. Yeah, he acted weird that day. Yeah, I offered him tickets shit. It was being real weird about it Fucking crazy. So the lawyers for them for everybody here. They're fighting it out here One of his attorneys Jim's attorney said their burdens to demonstrate that there was due cause to wait 37 years to bring this indictment. Krasnick's attorneys have asked for a singer hearing at which they'll argue, you have to do it in a very melodic voice, that's the thing this hearing. It's wild.

They'll argue there's. Dore Faso La Tido. You gotta do it, you gotta. You gotta see it, there's no evidence, no new evidence that justifies the delay in the murder charge. The Supreme Court, the letter to a Supreme Court Justice said I'm not sure that you've had a case like this.

They also bring in an expert shoe witness. He testifies that the footprint found inside the trash bag was from a boat shoe and they said that, could it be from this pair we have in this picture? By the way, don't show the tread at all. It could be completely smooth under there. We don't know.

And he said yes. Sure it could. It could. It could be from my shoe. We don't know if it is, but it could be. The shoes were not tested to see if they were a match back in the day though. Why not? Nice.

Which tells me they thought it was probably Ed Larrabee, I think, and then they were like, well, we can't get him. So, wow, evidence said the killer wore a boat shoe type of footwear, as did James Krausenach, and police claims that the killer would not have worn such a shoe on a snowy, wintery day. Time of death also, again, there was a memo pad discovered in 1986 that said the medical examiner had

indicated two potential times of death between 655 and 855 and then 630 to 930, which obviously contradicts with the. So they said revisiting the case with new technology, the Brighton police department came to the opinion that killings happened before 6.30. It's not new technology, it's Dr. Bodden pulling shit out of his ass. Then on one of the days of the trial, jurors hear from numerous members

of the Brighton Police Department, including an investigator named Richard Corrigan, who found a pamphlet for a local marriage and family counselor in James' vehicle. So they're saying the marriage was in trouble. And that's why he did this. He needs a therapist. Now the defense team said that proves nothing at all.

They said that it was found in the car buried in shit in the back seat. In the floor. Could be anything, yeah. And they said it could have been a pamphlet distributed on his car. When they first moved there while the house was closing They were staying in motels. He could just know where they hand those out. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah Under windshield wipers of fucking people staying at motels. I hate you. Fuck you anymore here exactly talk

So that's where people go. But also he could just be a good guy who picked up trash in a parking lot I was like, I'll throw this away later. Yeah, who knows? That's what I mean, it could have been anything. There was no evidence that they ever called a marriage counselor, they called the people on that thing, no one ever contacted them, they never went for any appointments, never told any of their friends,

Kathy never told her sister or other friends that they were having problems, and we go, none of that shit. They found a pamphlet and said the marriage was in trouble. He's fucked. Never mind all the evidence, we have this. So a neighbor who lived near them, Eileen Marin, said that she saw James come to her door that evening,

drained of color. The defense argues that's a strong piece of evidence to claim that he came home and learned that his wife had been murdered. They also bring up testimony from another neighbor, and this is to me everything, testified to seeing a suspicious and unusual jogger in the area that morning around 7.25 a.m.

as she was leaving for work. She said the jogger was, this is crazy, not known to her and wearing a ski mask and running at an extremely slow pace. You know, stalking. Stalk, yeah, hunting. Crazy, and that's what he said he was doing that morning. Ed Larrabee was pretending to jog, that's what happened.

So, wow, that's crazy. So I don't even know how the hell you can, I mean, if you put these two people in front of you and said which one you think did this Had Larabee or Jim Krasnick Holy shit. I'm probably picking at 90 times out of 100. Yeah, that's part of it then they put dr. Bodden on there and he tells his bullshit and

He says that you know his final diagnosis is severe chopping injuries to the head and brain. Thanks, Doc. Thanks a lot. He said it takes at least 12 hours after death to reach the level of rigor that she was in, and in his opinion, that would mean that Kathy died somewhere between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m.

Now he's going all the way back to 9 p.m. Six hour window. Six hour window now. But that window only has Jim in it. Only that's the Jim window, yeah. They said, which the prosecutor said, that means that she died before James went to work, according to his opinion, and he says it's important

to have someone with Bowden's level of experience on the stand to take the case. You've all seen him on TV, haven't you? They said to us, it's very important. He's obviously renowned. You hear the cases he worked on. He was hired by the US government to examine JFK and MLK Jr. So just some of the things you've done, he's done.

You can't match that. Can't do it. Yeah. I would be like, can I introduce this OJ shit then, discredit this fucking idiot? Yeah. Saying that he testifies and then denies that he testified to that in the next fucking case? Said you can't deny it.

Well, here's a way to deny it. So in the closing arguments, the defense challenges Dr. Bodden's determination, suggesting that the best perspective on the time of death was the original medical examiner. They argued Dr. Lewis had the best perspective to determine the time of death, the best to make the facts,

but interpretation is another matter, Dr. Bodden said in his response. So, you know, the facts are all there, yes, but it's all how you interpret them. Right. The lawyer then said, his opinion is substantially different than Dr. Lewis's. His testimony pivots on body temperature.

If you take body temperature out, his position is completely unfounded. It's by no means an exact science. I think Dr. Bodden was clear on that. But Dr. Bodden, in his experience, is familiar, this is the prosecutor, said in his experience, is familiar with how those factors, blankets, individuals' health, affect body temperature.

No one else is though, just him. He's the only guy. So the prosecutor, the defense attorney said that the fact that Dr. Lewis, the original doctor, is not alive, they said we think it's a fatal challenge because if the prosecution proceeded with this in a timely manner, Dr. Lewis would be here to defend her autopsy, which is evidently defendable.

And they waited for 40 years she's dead now she can't defend it then they bring dr bodden in from out of town yeah and they're gonna do the small town fear thing here he comes from new york city coming in here trying to tell us small town folk how to act yeah this guy's been to brooklyn you guys he's been to brooklyn people people it's a big deal he went to a nix game once think about that have you been to Brooklyn. People. People. It's a big deal. He went to a Knicks game once. Think about that. Have you been to Yankees Stadium? Oh man.

He said, goes on to say, fingerprints were not on the axe, the mall, the point of entry. DNA from the axe excludes James and Sarah. We can't really nail that down. He says that it's written in the context, it was written in the context that he was dying, meaning Ed Larabee's confession, about to face his enemy, and there are some things in the statement that are wrong, but some are consistent. The notion he wipes down the axe with a bath towel, that's one of the things he said he did.

Wow. Was wipe down the axe handles with a bath towel. The prosecution says, very simply, if the jury believes Dr. Bodden's testimony, which we believe he's a very credible witness, then that means James Krausenck killed his wife on that day. They said the only reasonable conclusion is that James K went to his garage, grabbed the axe hat that he had used over and over to chop wood, walked up his stairs and killed Kathy while she slept. He made it look like someone came in. Then he went to work. That's all we've got.

That's it. They said you've heard some officers, they were saying the burglary appeared contrived. A gold necklace hanging on the door, cash on the dresser. What kind of a burglar doesn't take things that are sitting out in the open? That's kind of not committing a burglary. That's a great point. That's a good point too, but again,

that doesn't make Jim have any more evidence against him is the problem. So the verdict comes in here and obviously, he comes in, the judge explains to them there's no probably guilty, there's no maybe guilty, just guilty or not guilty. They find him guilty of second degree murder. Get out of my life.

I swear to God, that's crazy shit. It's ridiculous. He might have done it, don't get me wrong, I don't fucking know, but doesn't seem like it at this point. So sentencing, Sarah't get me wrong. I don't fucking know, but doesn't seem like it at this point. So sentencing, Sarah speaks during sentencing. And she says, my mother, this poor fucking Sarah, I can't say poor girl, she's like 45 years old

at this point, but still, it sucks. She said, my mother's killer got away with her murder. My father's life has been taken by a failed justice system that convicted him of a crime he did not commit. And then Kathy's dad testifies during the sentencing. She, he says, and Jim, I hope you live to be a hundred years old and enjoy your new home jail.

Hope you get no shoes. Hope you get nothing. No boat shoes for you. Hope you're on a boat with fucking combat boots on. See how you like that. So Sharon, this is Jim's wife Said that you know, you got a you know This is crazy his justice isn't being served and all that kind of thing and Sarah said the justice system failed my parents myself Both sides of my family. It's also failed this community Jim got up he read a note in which he, it's a long note, he reaffirmed his love for Cathy, said I love my wife and she was everything to me and I would never

hurt her and he said in closing, I did not murder Cathy, I love Cathy with all my heart and my soul. Okay, well that's a lot. And the jury said, you sir, may fuck off 25 years to life Yeah, that's wow so Kathy's parents now they say the schlosser family said they've had no communication with Sarah for years until today Not at all. Um, this is a now Yeah, this is aunt Annette here. She said I told her when I walked in I said Sarah

I love you no matter what happens and she said thank you and now we pray that Sarah will come back to us and be a Part of us because she has no family now. She's been brainwashed for 40 years. I Don't think that's gonna come together too soon And then she said this and that how horrible she must feel right now But let's give her some time and we'll be in touch with her Yeah, so he is sent to Clinton which is real horrible Dan Amora's

Really bad place it's known as little Siberia in New York prison system Lovely cold in the middle of fucking nowhere hard for people to visit It's cold in the middle of fucking nowhere hard for people to visit Yeah, it's all that's crazy shit They also say the prison walls and watchtowers loom over the main street of the village which exists only because of the prison That's one of those towns Starts how a lot of towns started out in New York like that like awesomeness started out just because sing-sing was there Then it became a big suburb. So That is fucking wild.

Then the prosecutor said, I can't imagine a place, a place more unlike Krausenek's home in sunny Arizona, because he's got a house down there too. Wow. So 2023 comes around. They're, they, they file an appeal here. Obviously they file an appeal immediately. Then in 2023, James dies in prison. Oh, the poor bastard.

71. He is not used to that life. He got up there. He was in that shit life for a year and he died. Jesus, what's worse than that? Yeah, it's one thing if people are in prison for 40 years, but when you have had a normal life and then you go to prison in your late 60s, that's not great. You're 70 years old. So yeah, he dies at 71 barely.

He was barely in there two years. No good. So the thing about this is for Jim, I mean, it doesn't help him any cause he spent his last days in prison, but according to what I like to call the Aaron Hernandez rule, the fact that, yeah, the fact that his appeal was in process of the time of this means that it is now, he's now technically innocent.

This vacates the conviction. He gets a proper burial. If you die while your appeal for that crime you're in prison for is still in the midst, it wipes out the conviction. Just like Aaron Hernandez, this guy's technically innocent. That's terrific. His conviction was erased and his indictment dismissed

because he had a pending appeal. I love it. Interesting. The Monroe County District Attorney's Office supported this while Krausenek's family wanted the appeal to continue after his death. They said, no, no, no, no, we want this to play out in court that he's fucking innocent, not that you just say it.

And the one guy said, quote, Jim Krausenek is now technically after death managed to escape conviction. His family isn't happy with that. They wanted a real review of the case. Interesting. Appellate judges declined to they said, Meanwhile, the question of whether the conviction would withstand an appellate challenge has gone unheard and I'm considered appellate judges declined to hear the appeal, deciding that New York precedent firmly establishes the posthumous dismissal without further further litigation. Like he's fucking dead we're not wasting money on this. Done. Now the house itself is a considered a three-bedroom three bath now. I don't

know what they changed it. I'm not sure. 2,057 square feet. It's at 33 Del Rio Drive in technically Rochester because that's the same thing. Sold in 2023 for $372,000. So not even that much. Not even that much actually. That's pretty good.

Not bad. So that is pricey. Unless a murder ruins the fucking price You know what I mean? I'll screw everything up. Yeah, maybe that's they did remodel after a murder I have to yeah made a bigger master bedroom not one of the bad. Yeah, that makes sense probably That's what people do so it's more sellable, but that is bright in New York everybody Don't go that is you'll be fucking murder You could be framed for murder or have to watch a man fart while he makes pizza one of the two

It's not good either way The result is not great. Leave your boat shoes elsewhere. Oh god. Do not bring boat shoes to this town You'll be in cuffs before you fucking know it. So there you go. This is one of the shows we did for a live show this year Yeah, that's right. A lot of fun to of fun to do live and we hope you guys enjoyed it. I put more detail in. I found a lot more stuff. The live show, we don't have two hours and 40 minutes to do it. So you guys would be asleep in two hours and 40 minutes.

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Did you know they really are? Oh shit? We won't see him anymore. No Thanks for that Jameson, bro. Jake Young, Jordan Bennett, and Simon, they're moving back to England. Did you know that? Are they really? They are. Oh shit, we won't see them anymore. No, we'll see them once in a while. They come down from Canada all the time. That's all right.

They're gonna pop over to a couple before they go. Different weird accent, that's fine. Courtney Jadaylay, Jadily, Jadil, Jadil, Jadaylay. I'll bet it's Jadily. Yiddily. Yeah. Erica Gerstenberger's sister Sabina, I don't know her last name. Erica didn't give that. Maybe it Erica Gerstenberger's sister Sabina. I don't know her last name.

Erica didn't give that. Maybe it's Gerstenberger. Well, I think Erica's married. We don't know. It's the closest we got. Also Angie Pennington, Aaron Stevens, Christine Lewis, Ashley Williams, Tyler and Brittany Jones and Crystal My

Purdy Newland. Thank you all so much. You're fantastic. Other producers this week are Linda Maroney and Harry Balzac. Oh. Probably not. I'm sure. You get it. Could be. Or Linda's Harry Balzac. I don't know. Maybe it's Linda. She's got a nice sack on her.

Good for you, Larry. Linda. Linda. Larry Balzac will tell her from now on. Linda and Harry is Larry. All right. Peyton Meadows, Janice Hill, Natalie Austin-Barr, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Chena wanted us to tell you. Julia Reynolds is holding space, James. I don't know if you know, I'm very annoyed by that fucking, I don't even know what it means.

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Strings, got you. All right. Angelica Garpland, Seedorf, Lacey Ward, Derek 89, Claudia Berry, Nina with no last name, Jason Ogden, Aziz, Kadim, oh, Aziz with no last name, Kadim Hunt is another person, DNT, DN, not M, Renee Linton, Hannah Goodman, Danae Upshaw, MC 118Z, Paul Simon, jail, jail, Jaji? Paul Simon, very nice jail, Jodgy. Paul Simon, very nice. Jodgy, Jodgy, is this the, did I not press enter

and Jodgy, Jodgy is another person? I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. Carrie Stewart, Rebecca with no last name, Michael Pettit, Jessica Keefe, Christopher Cox, Sinclair with no last name, Kelsey Lang, 810, Bill Vestrand, Nicole Huff, Lori with no last name, Bailey Gallups, Shelless Shelly Turner, Renner.

Shelly or Shelless? Shelless? Are any of these people holding space though, Jimmy? I think all of them are holding space for us. I'm so glad you said that, by the way. In real life, Jimmy says shit like that all the time. On the show, he lets it slide off him. In real life, he's like, I will fucking kick kick that person and that's why I hang out with him

He come on the show and I sound like a psychopath and he's like, yeah, that's crazy man. I'm like, where the fuck are you? Where are you? It's just when people say things in my head. Oh, can't We talk about it all the time. Well, this is our private conversations are could you believe this fucking asshole? Those are every conversation We have sorry Bane Ross John would know last name Amberley men Jay menge conversations are, could you believe this fucking asshole? Those are every conversation we have. Unbelievable. Bane Ross, John would know last name. Amberly Menje, Menj, Amberly Minj maybe. Amberly and her Minj, I don't know.

Amberly might be a dude. She's bringing her Minj with her, that's nice. Who knows? Rose Bloom, Kristen Ess, Molly Crawford, Rena Dute or Dutt, Megan Bussing Todd, Kaiser Soze, Travis Hoffman, Jamie. He's coming out of hiding.

Yeah, Jamie Ammo, Amo, Amo, Delaney Ellison, I think? Maybe Delaine, I don't know. Captain Zod, Jo Lynn, Julia Thompson, Archante, Archante Hill, Nicole with no last name, Joyce with no last name, Jennifer Gasser, Deanna Katz, Helper with no last name, Ali with no last name Joyce with no last name Jennifer gasser Deanna cats helper with no last name Ali with no last name mama red 89 Michelle Ocoi the leaf man the life man 77 Bernadette Daner Shane Carl Rosini Charmaine

Laura Edward Nicole Winkler jibloos. All right, Gary Kida, Kida maybe, Jake Yeager, Angelo Leonardo, Leonardo, Brian Atkinson, Live the Kid, Francesca Curly, Curie, that's what that is, Austin Duncan, Lisa Wendola, same, Kat P, that's fantastic, Beatriz Rojas, Carrie Grooms Harvey, Joan, oh don't do that Kerry, Joan Kemp, Christian Klepper, Martin Grubbs, Mark Roser, Lacey Johnson, Krista D, Adam Fellmeister, Jen T, Matt Smith, Patrick Newsome, Frank with no last name, Laurie Harris, Carter Hayes, Mimi to Aver and P. I don't know what that means. Mimi did something for T for Aver and P. Ollie would know last name, Michelle Phillips,

Jacob Shrivner, Scrivner, Scrivner, Vane Ferry, Suzanne Moore, Joel Lee, Lair Fitzer, Pfizer, Shannon North-Pridge would know last name, Rach Adrie, Zaneeb Zainab. Oh, okay, that was not my word. Espehani, holy fuck. Zan-Abe, Zan-Zanib.

Jeff, with no last name. Holly, with no last name. Jamie Burns, David Gilbert, Brian Halyard. Jared, with no last name. Laurie Taylor, Sean LaBouf, Delis Gribbin, Chantel Johnson, Meredith Collins, Liz Wilson, Ryan, with no last name. Rachel Kanig, Audra, with no last name. Sophie Warren, Blades, Ryan with no last name, Rachel Kanig, Audra with no last name, Sophie Warren Blades, Lindsey Ickes, Tatum Thompson, Annie McCormick, Alyssa Polcelli, Brenna Botsford,

Aileen Quatch, Monica Weimus, Harrison Ecott, Megan Alvarado, Rob Davis, Mary Peters, Amanda Nies, M4 CEO, Brian Smuck, Brenda Hugh, Crystal with no last name, Ashley Pasek, Gabby with no last name, Stephanie with no last name, Alex McCoggan, McCoggan. Oh boy. McCoggan what? What do you put in your coggin?

That's it, that's the last name. Alex McCoggan, McCoggan Alex, all right. Now Heather Jeter, Raymond, Remy, Remy V, Maxim Dynov, Tiffani, Tiffani, Tiffani Merovia, Nicole Ware, William Jackson, 843-230, Grayson, Sydney Tobias, Naomi Oleson, April Capaccio, Makonica, Monica Noakes, Danny Lee Tetter, Anna with no last name,

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