Small Town Murder - #560 - Solving A Murder Puzzle - Chicopee, Massachusetts

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

This week, in Chicopee, Massachusetts, who could have brutally killed a happy, bubbly, very cool young woman in her own home? It's a mystery, but detectives have DNA, some very small shoe prints, and a name, written on a white board to go on. When a suspect is found, he has many different stories to tell, including one that has him risk his life to save hers. But it's all a lie, and the only question is, will the jury believe any of it??Along the way, we find out that central Massachusetts LOVES kielbasa, that having a famous name won't get you a great job, and that when your DNA is under a victim's fingernails, you better have a pretty good explanation!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah, we have to. We're going to Massachusetts Here we go, Massachusetts. This is chickapee, Massachusetts Oh chickapee man old chickapee a nice place chickapee masses in South Central, Massachusetts

Yeah, it's kind of like mid mid Massachusetts. We'll call it It's about an hour and a half to Boston and about three hours to New York City the other direction It's about an hour and a half to Boston and about three hours to New York City the other direction And this sits in the middle there and it is 15 minutes actually to Agawam, which was our last Massachusetts episode which was the music box murder. That was crazy shit. I remember that but this is basically There's Springfield in the middle Chickapea is on one like the south side of Springfield and Agawam is the north side of Springfield. So it's just on the other side of Springfield basically, not on purpose, just the way it worked out. Population here, 55,636, so a little more than we usually do, but it's definitely a small town in the field and how everything works here. Median

household income here, less than the national average actually, which is odd for me. Really? Yeah, there's some towns in Massachusetts median household income here less than the national average actually, which is odd for me. Really? Yeah, there's some towns in Massachusetts that are not affluent at all. Yeah. Remember when we drove to the dispensary there going to, we drove through like those weird trailer, not even parks, just those trailer sections of the road when they were like, it was bad stuff.

And the whole north part of Massachusetts, every town that dots that border is like that. It's like Framingham, just weird places. Defunct industrial towns. They used to have factories and make shit, now they don't. Now they are what they are. It's a wild state. So median household income here, $56,509, which is well below the national average. Very, very low. And then median home price, Massachusetts is a pretty expensive place. That's also low actually 272 thousand one hundred dollars, which is much lower than the national average. I hate that we're telling everybody I know well, this isn't that great. I'm not gonna end up here. So you can go You can go here all you want

Head to chick-a-pee all you want people enjoy Nicknames here. They call it the crossroads of New England, which makes sense in that area. It is kind of everybody goes through there to go anywhere. And then of course this one, which is a little less geographic, the Kilbasa capital of the world. Didn't expect that, did you? The amount of jokes that they're just leaving it. Your town's called Chickopee, for Christ's sake.

Chickopee, Chick-O-P, and then you've got Kielbasa, capital of the world, which I'm sure there's places in maybe Germany or Austria or something that would probably challenge you for that. Poland, maybe. I don't know where the hell they make Kielbasa. They said the world, huh? The world, not Massachusetts, not the United States. Whole world.

Little bit of history of this town. They've had a shitload of different, this is a big industry town and that's the thing. All these Massachusetts towns made shit and they had a lot of industry and factories and this is kind of the story of a lot of Massachusetts town. Yeah, it's the first place they landed for Christ's sake. Yeah, there was cotton mills, wool mills, textiles, brass and iron foundries, paper making, footwear factories for leather boots and shoes.

The first friction matches were from here. Is that right? Ship building. Yeah. Everything was here. And then of course the firearms company Crescent Davis specialized in producing double barrel shotguns. Really?

Yeah, specialized in cartoon shotguns. In the old Elmer Fudd. The Ames manufacturing company made machines and brass, I'm sorry, bronze cannons and more swords than any other American manufacturer at the time. Who gives a fuck about kielbasa? Yeah, they're the top sword maker, apparently. That's amazing. Ames cast a number of bronze statues including the Thomas Balls Monumental Equestrian statue of President George Washington installed in Boston's public garden.

That George Washington, that was made here. The one on the horse, yeah. That was made here, yep. Also, they made a lot of shit for the Civil War and everything like that. They also, during the 1800s, became a major manufacturing center for bicycles. Mad Libs town. The town became two, a site of at least two bicycle factories,

the Overman Wheel Company from 1882 to 1899, and the Spalding Sporting Goods Company, which was a big goddamn deal. That's where in the 1800s, if wanted like a baseball glove or something like that That's you ordered from their catalog. That's what they had Yep so they moved to the Overman bicycles moved to Hartford a little bit later and You know, basically the bicycle boom of the 1890s kind of died

With cars so that happened here and by 1901 Overman was out of business. So there you go. Reviews of this town, five stars. Here we go. In my neighborhood everyone is nice and kind. Everyone. Up my street, not one asshole on the whole, not one pissy old lady that'll keep your ball, nothing like that. Up my street there's an elementary school, so me and maybe most of my neighbors and their children would walk up to the school and back. I hope you have kids there, just taking a stroll. For me, it usually takes 10 minutes to get to school and back.

Around this area we've seen many different race, but everyone is so nice. Not races, just many different, one race. We would sometimes play outside during the summer with our long time neighbor, and it would be the best summer. So you were a kid and you played outside during the summer. That's a really unique experience. You had a nice childhood.

Thank you for sharing your unique experience of playing outside in the summer as a child. Yeah, when you didn't have to be in school, you hung out with your neighbor outside. Wow. Three stars here. I mean, it's okay. That's what they say. I can't really compare it to anywhere else as I've been here my whole life.

Could use more stuff to do. School is meh. Yeah, it is meh if you can't come up with a better adjective to describe it than meh. It's pretty meh. This is a late teenager. We shouldn't even listen to any of the words they said. Nope. Nope. Not bad. Just okay Some crazy stuff to do some crazy stuff do be going on here though. That's good

I'm happy to hear that That's what I like to hear crazy stuff do be going on here though If you're around the right people you can see actual crime going on here Actual crime drugs also kind of a problem the rinky-dink roads are home Okay, people are either very nice or just don't care usually neighbors are willing to converse Lots of Hispanic people in these buildings where I grew up I mean, it's not exactly exciting just to exist here But at least you don't get someone knocking on your door every day.

What the fuck are you talking about? Utah? Are you saying the Mormons aren't bothering you? What are you saying? What the f- be up in these buildings. Occasionally, something crazy happens. Cops are dot dot dot, I don't know, dot dot dot, okay? They're cops.

They're cops. Kids here are dot dot dot, not. They're cops. They're cops. Kids here are dot dot dot. Not gonna lie, kinda jerks when they get past the third grade. That's kids. That's kids. You named it. No guarantee there may also be some gangs going on.

Off topic but crack is just exchanged at gas stations at night. Yeah, where else are you gonna buy crack? Like you pull up with all the people there. Still a nice suburb place, a kind of place you can get to know. Jesus Christ. And then finally, one star. A few really good neighbors, but can be dangerous depending on where you are. Some issues with collusion between the schools and other elected officials. What? Memorial drive is a headache. That means that schools and officials have to, I assume, get together to figure out what they're going to do and they don't want that. I don't know.

I have no idea what else they could be talking about. Things to do here. The Chick-a-Pee Kilbasa Festival, of course, it's the better fucking capital of the world. You got to have it yearly Memorial Day regional festival, showcasing Kielbasa, Polish culture, and international foods, games, and vending and rides. We'll hold off on all the jokes. Of like the light bulb turning, you know? Team light bulb turning and shit like that.

We'll just take a step back and not even say anything. Move along. This is an article from 1989 about the festival from 89 where they had the world's largest kielbasa. How big was it? £449. Holy shit. What?

Holy! The size of a fucking horse. How long was that? It's insane. It took 15 minutes of the Chicapea, 15 employees of the Chicapea Provision Company, 30 minutes to stuff the King Kilbasa, which is showcased at the 4-day festival. That Kilbasa is 13 pounds heavier than last year's record setter. They got 13 more pounds of Kilbasa.

Measured 26 feet 3 inches Holy shit come get my kielbasa everybody and The guy said we just try to make it bigger each year the kielbasa Yeah, that's great And it will be after doing it when it's over the kielbasa will be cut up and donated to charities on a slice of kielbasa I mean how big of a slice is like a pizza yeah like a pizza I think of a large pie that said let's talk about some murder here let's oh boy because we got a wild one all right let's do this let's go back not very far pretty much the world is just about the same august of 2011 yeah yeah your phone looked the same things were the same yeah things are normal let's talk about

somebody with a familiar name but it's not the same guy Seth Green like real like the actor and the voice actors from Family Guy and Yeah, well Rhode Island Well, I just mean Chris Griffin is from Rhode Island the family guy Maybe and robot chicken he didn't all that kind of shit. So this is Seth Green. He's 27 years old Oh Seth Green. Why did, I saw Seth McFarland. No, no.

Well, he works for Seth McFarland. Yeah, yeah. The little redheaded guy. Yeah, the little guy. The guy who you go, wow, man. The other Seth. He looks terrible, but it's like, I feel bad for a guy like that

because he was like a child actor, but teen actors are actually 22, so that's just what they look like but you expect them to grow up and look different but they don't and then they look like just older children but it's that's cuz that's what he was done it's kind of a tough thing I feel bad for old Seth Green but he's got so much fucking money oh he does great so Seth's done fantastic this Seth Green is 27 and he doesn't have the same amount of money he's a

construction worker so 27 year old is 27 and he doesn't have the same amount of money. He's a construction worker So oh no 27 year old construction work for her Seth and he'd show ya please and he just Started dating a new young lady. The relationship is less than a week old. It's like six days old here They don't even know anything about each other. No, you met a young lady named Amanda Lynn plus PLA s se plus No, you met a young lady named Amanda Lynn Plass. P-L-A-S-S-E, Plass. So Amanda, another Lynn by the way, our regular small town murder this week, had both the murder and victim were named, had middle names of Lynn.

So Lynn, or Amanda here, she is, she's a little chick too. She's five one, about 100 pounds, 20 years old, big personality. She's known very outgoing, very free-spirited, she's an artist, she has tattoos all over her, she's just like a real like kind of cool chick here. She's got big kind of curly hair, a lot of tattoos and she loves art. That's what she likes to here, is paint and do stuff like that. She's working as a hostess and waitress at Friendly's on Memorial Drive in Chickapete. There you go. So Friendly's, if you don't know,

if you're not from the East Coast, is like a family sit down ice cream burger joint, basically. It's a little diner, kind of, not diner, but like a little- Do they even exist anymore? Yeah, they're here, they're in New York. We have them, yeah. And like all the Friendly's ice cream, they sell at the grocery store here and shit. Their strawberry shortcake bars are top notch.

Delicious. Love them. So she's working there. I have friends that used to work at Friendly's and used to steal the giant things of ice cream. Awesome. Oh yeah, they rolled them out the back. Like the fucking 10 gallon ones.

Yeah. And then we put them in the car and be like, nobody has a freezer that can fit this. So we'd have to eat as much ice cream as we all could possibly fucking throw out, throw out eight gallons of ice cream. We used to steal that shit. So, uh, she's very well known to our regular customers as being real social, real energetic. People used to, people would request her as the, Oh, I want to get, I want Amanda. Give me Amanda. Really? Yeah, she's the best.

So that's how people are with her. Her mother said to know her is to love her. You would only have to meet her once and you were forever her friend. She'd never forget you nor would you forget her. Crazy curly hair, stunning green eyes, covered in tattoos, her beautiful artwork. That's what her mom says.

Now her and Seth, like I said, it's a week old relationship and they are already enmeshed after a week. Hot and heavy. Hot and heavy to the point where he's already living in her apartment. What? I mean they've known each other a week and he's already, not only is he staying there every night,

which would be like, things are going well, he's moving his shit in there, his stuff is there. Like he's got not only is he staying there every night which would be like you know things are going well He's moving his shit in there his stuff is there like he's got a stereo and shit like what could you have in common with somebody to Don't know that fast some people are like that some people like they like yeah some people go for the relationships and try to like be Really enmeshed immediately and like they're looking to be in love. So you get two people like that who are like love at first sight people and especially if you're artsy and kind of free spirited you're not really, usually they don't have the most practical thoughts as far as I barely met this guy and you go with your feelings

and I think that's what's going on here. And he's like, he's just some construction guy. I was like, I'm fucking this hot art chick Dude, she's awesome. You know and they both smoke weed together. We'll talk about like yeah She's a cool ass chick man She lives and I guess he's sort of living at 73 school street in chickpea in a third story apartment So that's where she lives so August 25th

2011 it's been about a week of, of bliss here between Seth and Amanda and they had a quiet night that night. He got home from work and she did her thing and they were doing stuff. They smoked weed together that night as they do regularly. They're both daily weed smokers. It seems like, and uh, he is also into art stuff. He's making jewelry while Amanda is painting that night. Really? Yeah.

So there's a real kind of an arts and crafts, not to be confused with Sarah Boone's arts and crafts night, which is way different. So yeah. It's a very chill vibe though. Very chill vibe. They're kicking it, smoking weed, making shit. Like, sounds fun. You know, you order a pizza, I'll go there.

It sounds good. Like, I'm in so the next morning this is the next day August 26 2011 Seth leaves for work I assume at the crack of dawn probably because he's a construction worker or else he's late or else he's goddamn late absolutely so she's she works the evening shift at Friendly's that night, so she doesn't have to get up in the morning. So Seth said he called her in the afternoon of August 26 to say that he's gonna be late and couldn't pick her up to get her to her job at Friendly's by five o'clock,

as he was supposed to. He said he could, but now he's gotta stay late at work, and so he's saying, I'm gonna miss you by a little bit. I can't get you there by five. So, tell her that a few hours ahead of time so she can get a ride, which is fine. But already, he's like, they're doing daytime calls and I can't, they're already together.

It's a mess, you know what I mean? Yeah, she's already relying on him for the ride tomorrow. That's fast. So, he said he got off of work and then drove to Friendly's to see if she had gotten picked up or not. And if she hadn't gotten picked up yet, he was going to grab her. So he stopped by, but she wasn't there.

So he's like, okay, shit, or drop her off. I meant, you know, see if she got dropped off and say hello to her. So he went to his grandmother's house for a little while. And then he went back to Amanda's apartment building, you know, because he sort of lives there. It's got his shit there. So he, when he gets back there, he sees that the porch window is broken, which isn't good, that's what he says.

He says, I get there, porch window's broken. So then he opens the door and he said, quote, as soon as I walked in, I saw some red in the kitchen. My first impression was I thought it was paint. Oh, because she was painting? She was painting that day and that's kind of what I wanted it to be. Then I noticed it wasn't just paint around her. I kneeled next to her. Then he tried CPR but realized that she was dead. Amanda's on the floor, blood everywhere and dead. And now he's got blood all over him and this is new and god damn it I'm a suspect.

Oh baby. So he dialed 911 and this is all his story of what he did. He called 911, police arrive, one of the detectives said we met the boyfriend on the back porch, he was in the fetal position. That's not a, you know, that's not saying cold blooded right off the bat, but also people act, who knows, you know what I mean? Sure, sure. You show up, I'm sure lots of people who killed their, whoever the fucker, you know, oh God, oh no, I mean that's, what else would you be like? Yeah, I found her, I don't know, fuck it. Hold on, I'm texting this chick and then like, hold on, wait a minute, I got stuff going on here.

So she said, he said there was no forced entry into her apartment and police believed her assailant may have known her. So they get in there, there is blood on the floor on the cabinet on the counter. They find bloody shoe prints on the floor. Now they're trying to determine, they determine it's either a men's size seven and a half, a women's size nine and a half, or a youth size seven. They have not decided yet. That is the added bonus that I have with my baby feet. Yeah, you will fucking find me. You'll be like, oh, Jesus Christ.

Look for some guy tripping over his own feet and shit. They're huge. Or they're looking for a very small man, an average-sized woman, or a very large 12-year-old. One of the two. Or me at 12. So they find that she has been stabbed multiple times in her side and chest and her throat was cut as well This is a lot. I mean she has just been hacked up and had her throat cut So it's overkill is what they and the detectives describe it that way too. They describe it as very violent

overkill and possibly a crime of passion because This isn't like your normal robbery killing, you know You usually kill someone as quick as you can, not really work them over with a knife. So the bloody shoe prints, which had dried, the blood had dried on the shoe prints, which helps them determine a time of death because they can see who she was talking to and when,

and after that, so they get the time of death down to between 4, 10 10 and 5 p.m. So very specific. That is a inside of an hour. Yeah, that's not bad. That's really good. A palm print is found on a broken window, on a window that was broken from the inside of the apartment. OK, which is out, which seems like that's to make it look like a robbery

is what people would do. Yeah, I can see that. You punch out. Nobody breaks into an apartment by punching a window out from the inside. Once you're in, you don't need to break windows, just go out the door. So that's another thing that's something. And they say palm prints, by the way, are individual like fingerprints, in case you don't know that.

So if you find a palm print that's something. So she also sustained, Amanda did, multiple blunt force injuries to her face, head and shoulders as well. So she was beaten, stabbed, her throat was cut. This all seems like a lot for her who doesn't really have any enemies or anything like that. She had scrapes and sharp force injuries to her face neck chest and abdomen Including six stab wounds and two slashes to her neck from chin to collarbone This is a lot is a lot of violence man a lot of violence She was found in a pool large pool of blood in the kitchen here Blood blood stains throughout the kitchen revealed that she'd been stabbed multiple times in the course of a violent struggle.

What the hell? Smears of her hands on cabinets and you can tell when there's a struggle. According to the medical examiner who performed the autopsy, she died of injuries to her heart and liver, soft tissue and soft tissue due to stab wounds to her chest and abdomen. And they said, in the course of a violent struggle, items of evidence including bodily fluids and blood, saliva, sweat, skin cells are often transferred here, so they're looking for, this is 2011, so they want DNA and shit like that. They do fingernail scrapings and everything like that,

and they do find DNA under her fingernails that does not belong to her. Okay. So that's an interesting thing here. The medical examiner said she bled to death from a combination of stab and cutting wounds. He said the bleeding sent her into shock and she would have been conscious

minutes before going into shock and would have definitely felt the pain. It wasn't a thing where, you know, she was killed and didn't know what was happening. This was a struggle and she put up a fight and it was really bad. Now, Seth Green notices that his weed that he left on the coffee table as well as his knife are not there. Okay. My knife is missing that was on the table that probably caused all these wounds and my weed is missing missing which is what I noticed when my girlfriend's been slaughtered in front of me hey where's my weed which I guess maybe at that

point I'd really need some weed so I might notice that fuck yeah my pipe scraper he said he told the police that those are the only items he could see that were missing where his weed and his knife. So yeah, this is real weird stuff here. And the cops immediately do not trust Seth at all. No. They don't trust him. You can't. So they sit him down and they go,

all right chief, let's talk, polygraph? They don't even tell, the first thing they say is, well let's do a polygraph. And he says fine, and he passes a polygraph test. And also his shoe, he has an adult foot, and his shoe is not a seven and a half oh man where's the 12 yeah or at least something there so and also the palm print does not match him either so he's cleared that's terrifying that's it

he's clear that's what I mean they were hoping they could wrap this up quick and you know set this full of shit and his alibi was good, too He was at work till past five There's somebody with a very small foot that's capable of really awful things out there really bad shit So they said the person she fought with left a large amount of DNA under her fingernails Large amount large miss she was fighting for a life. She was scratching. Yes fucking claw in the sky got a whole bunch of him Oh, yeah, they ran the DNA through the database, no matches. Nothing.

So, that sucks. Could be a child. They don't have, it's tiny, or a woman. That's the other thing they're thinking. Yeah, right. There's no rape or anything like that, so they're thinking this could be it. She might have pissed a woman off, who knows?

Does Seth Green have an ex-girlfriend and stuff like that? There you go, yeah. You know, because that's what they're thinking They said no she seemed to live you know in her one-bedroom apartment She didn't really you know have enemies but they said that the investigator said the impression is that she definitely knew her assailant and She probably this wasn't a random act. It doesn't look like Harvard is the oldest and richest university in America.

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that we're working on here. They said that there are a number of people that they've encountered while doing interviews with their friends who have information and there are more who we know have information We're trying to determine who we should have the most interest in they're just trying to figure out what to do. So Anyway, her mother said that she was a very happy positive free spirit spirited bubbly energetic person she always had a smile on her face and bent over backwards for anyone a Friend of hers said she was just a really down to earth, a really good person.

She loved music, especially folk and bluegrass, and played the acoustic guitar. This chick's cool. In 2011, she's very fun. Yeah, I don't really wanna listen to fucking bluegrass music that much, but it's fine if she could play it. That's cool, that's cool shit.

I mean, in 2011, it seems like she might be the only person on the planet that loved it. That, you know, shit, could play it, that's cool. That's cool shit. I mean, in 2011, it seems like she might be the only person on the planet that loved it. That, you know, shit who's under the age of 60 and doesn't live in Iowa apparently. Apparently in Iowa, they love that shit. So she was also good at tie-dye, and she would decorate shirts and blankets all the time.

Her last Facebook post, she joked about sunflower power. That's the type of chick she is. You know what I mean? She's pretty cool and nice. And her boss at Friendly's said that she's literally loved by everyone. I was absolutely shocked about what happened. And by the way, they're making a plaque to hang in Friendly's above her. Oh, that's nice.

That's really depressing as you eat your sundae. As I eat my fucking banana split. That's really depressing as you eat your Sunday as I eat my fucking banana split. That's very depressing So anything to cheer me up from that fucking plaque. No shit. This is really depressing so they took Examination grade as they call it photos of the foot impressions of the bloody footprints and made impressions to do comparisons and They called all the first responders back, anyone who had entered the house, photographed the bottom of their shoes, said anybody have tiny girl feet, any of you guys?

No, okay. Oh my god damn it. Yeah, they also did footwear impressions. One of the things that excluded Seth Green was he was wearing leather work boots that were not seven and a half, so he's out. The next step would be they found out the shoes are Nike's so they contacted Nike to

Try to help get help from them to determine what this was they determine. It's an air max shoe Okay, and we'll talk about either a nine and a half woman's or a seven and a half men as they decide enter Mercedes Benz No shit. That's this woman's name expelled exactly like the car. B-E-N-Z. Mercedes Benz, one of Amanda's friends. She's 25, she worked at Friendly's with Amanda and was her friend. She said that Amanda was loving and caring and would give you the shirt off your back. Now she said she was texting back and forth with Amanda all day. She said at 420 p.m., so we can move that time of death up from between 420 to 5 instead of 410, Mercedes got a text message from Amanda that Amanda needed a ride to work. So Mercedes said that she called Amanda just before 5 when she was about to pick her up,

but Amanda didn't answer the texts or her phone call. She said, quote, I sat outside about five minutes before I left. And she said she wasn't concerned though, because she figured, because Mercedes was late to get there. So she figured she must've just got another ride, and now she's starting her shift and can't look at her phone.

So she showed up to the house and texted her, and then took off? And then took off. Oh my god. Inside, bleeding out on her floor. Holy shit. Benz texted her and said I asked her if she was mad at me because I was picking her up for work late.

So she thought she was mad. Oh my god, the fucking guilt that girl must have. And they're like, hey Mercedes, what size are your feet? Yeah, what shoes you wearing? We got some big feet on you or not? But turns out she doesn't fit this either. She doesn't fit the palm print, anything. So yeah, we're back to this now.

Now, I was gonna say, were they fighting over tables at Friendly's? She's not pooling her tips, what's going on? What's the problem? So October of two, time goes by now. Yeah. We're up to October now. And in October 2011, about a month and a half goes by.

And there's a guy who says he was at a party in Chicopee when a man named Gio confessed to killing Amanda. Okay, that's he goes to the police and says that. Now police speak with a number of people who have been at the party and found nobody else heard any conversation like that, at all. So this guy was saying it was like a conversation in the middle of the party, like,

yeah, I killed that chick, like with a group of people. No one else said it happened. So then this guy Coggins is his last name, who went to the police. He was charged with misleading the police. Oh, and he pleaded guilty and served a sentence of 208 days in jail for it. He lied for real. He lied for real for no reason. No reason. No benefit. I don't know if he wants. I don't understand it. So yeah, I guess Coggins is a weed guy. He's a weed dealer, that's what he does.

And this one guy said he talked with Coggins about doing work for him. He said Coggins, who was never paid, gave him some information, but it never led to the arrest or conviction of anyone. So he said he no longer talked to Coggins after he was arrested for misleading police. So after that, they have nothing.

They have DNA, palm print, you know. Liar. Liars. They got all sorts of shit, but what they don't have is a viable murder suspect is the problem. What are you going to do? So weeks go by, months start to go by. Okay.

The next thing that happens is November of 2012. So more than a year has gone by. Yeah. Okay, now at this point, this is when a detective hears a guy named Corey Lose, L-O-S, he comes to a detective and says, Ryan Coggins, remember the guy who misled the police, he's in jail at this point, not for that, for something else.

He's in jail with this Corey Lose guy guy, and Corey Lowe's came to the cops and said, this Coggins guy said he killed Amanda Plass. He told me. He said that they were in the same pod at the jail from November 1st through November 3rd. He said on November 3rd, Coggins told him that he killed Amanda Plass. So that's what they said.

Now, as a result of the report by this guy, this Loos guy about Coggins confessing, Coggins was transferred to another pod and all of that. Now, later on, though, he's going to end up kind of dismissing himself of that story, saying that really didn't happen. He won't testify to it. He'll take the fifth when asked about it. All right, now Mom is pissed. Yeah.

As you might imagine here. This is Amanda's mom is upset. She is doing everything she can to find the murderer. She sponsored road races and posted flyers in hopes of someone coming forward with some kind of evidence. Yeah, she started, and she was also calling the detectives every day. What do you got?

What are you doing? What are you doing today? What are you doing today, guys? Where can I meet ya? You're not letting this go, guys. You're gonna fucking find this person. So the detectives had to keep pouring through the evidence. Not saying they wouldn't have anyway,

but you got some lady's mom calling you every goddamn day. You better keep looking at that fucking file. So they decide that they're gonna, they look through the photos and look through everything and look in all the photos of every single room and really concentrate on them. Really. Every detail.

Every detail, maybe something got overlooked. So it's at this point where, I don't know how this didn't get noticed You know fucking 14 months earlier in a picture what they found in a picture Written on a whiteboard. She has a whiteboard that she writes shit Vertically down the side is written Dennis was here 8 11 11 so August 11th 2011 which is 15 days before the murder okay so they're like okay who the fuck is Dennis and how do we not see this number one

right because we've they've exhausted everything every person that's been in that apartment they've checked all their palm prints DNA shoes nothing works it's they're at the point where they're like, Dennis is written on a whiteboard, that's fine. Who knows? We've never heard of Dennis? And we don't know, we've never interviewed a Dennis, so we don't know what's going on here.

So they're like, if Dennis was here, we should interview him. Just anybody who's, anyone who's in that apartment, they interviewed. So they- And he was there a week before. Was here. She started dating this guy. Exactly, that too

So detectives dig through Amanda's phone records and social media messages and ask friends and family everything who's Dennis? Yeah, nobody knows nobody knows Dennis nobody's ever heard of Dennis fucking Dennis So then they did a record search for anyone named Dennis who lived within like six blocks of her Does anyone around there is there any Dennis's around there? They found two possibilities of Dennis's, Den-I, Dennis-I, and two Den-I. And they cross-referenced the numbers with the ones on her cell phone records. Does she know any of these people?

So then they find out, more on that in a second, they find out that her apartment had previously been broken into as well. But it wasn't reported to the police. That's the thing. Witnesses told police that Amanda thought she knew who had broken in. And in September 2011, this was right after you know, right after the murder, one witness who's a former boyfriend of hers, not Seth Green, he told investigators that, that Amanda thought a small Puerto Rican man who lived within short, a short walk and whose name

he thought began with a D had broken in. Okay. Okay. He also said he had seen the man walking around the neighborhood and would recognize him. When interviewed again in 2012, in April of 2012, the ex-boyfriend said a few days after the break, the break-in, this guy that he had, the boyfriend had stayed at Amanda's place and they were hanging out together and he said that she called the guy who she thought had broken into her place

She got his phone number and called him. Oh She had his phone number because she had hung out with him one time and we'll find out why Amanda had called them and he's this is what the guy said Amanda had called them and I woke up She said he was coming over to talk about it. I was there when the guy came over He was about five. It was about five or 10 minutes later after she called. The guy was Spanish. He was probably between 21 and 23 years old. He had short hair. He had a little facial hair that was trimmed. He was normal thin, normal thin. He spoke good English. When he came over, he was with his girlfriend or wife and and their kid they walked there

They said they'd been walking and I didn't see a car pull up She was more heavy set and she was Spanish meaning the girlfriend or wife The kid was maybe three or four a boy The man told Amanda it was not him She said a neighbor who lived on the third floor had seen him on the porch and that he had told neighbors That he was waiting for her Meaning the guy that's short Puerto Rican guy so he was upset that she had called him without even asking They stayed for only about five minutes

She told him that if he had the bowl she wanted it back He stole a sure you're saying someone broke in and stole her weed pipe. Stole my pipe, you got my bowl back. Just give it back. That's a big deal dude. I have a bowl, like I've had only a few bowls that I use all the time that, there are years you keep them for you, clean them. I mean that's a, you get a bowl that works nice and hits right, that's your bowl man. No fuck with my shit. It just doesn't feel right otherwise. It's just not the man. Don't fuck with my shit. It just doesn't feel right otherwise. It's just not the same.

That's so funny. He said, I know that she had the phone number on her dry erase boards, one of those white boards with a wood frame around it. Okay, so his D, small, possibly small shoes, small feet. Sure. So investigators attempt to identify a small, thin Hispanic male at a confrontation with her.

And so that's what they're doing. They come up with two Dennis's, two Den-I. Number one is a guy named Dennis who lives in the vicinity of her apartment here. The first he had previously resided at, he doesn't live there anymore, but he had lived around there He had an extensive board of probation record including a number of violent crimes Okay Now the woman he was living with at the time appeared to be a heavy set white female Not a Hispanic woman like the other one so they don't know if that's the same or people break up and get back who knows The other one so they don't know if that's the same or people break up and get back who knows

So anyway investigators obtained her cell phone records and the tell his telephone number does not appear in any of their records They really like this guy for a second though, then they run into Dennis number two This is Dennis Rosa Roman with a dash Rosa dash Roman. Okay, Roman Roman, whatever. He's born in 1991, young guy. He has a police record of breaking and entering, a number of those, drug distribution, and was convicted of domestic violence on his fiance as well. He's so young. He's a real full house of asshole, this guy. He's got it all.

Three kings and two domestic violences. He's doing great That's a full house, right? I think so So the background search on him revealed he had all these crimes But there's no palm print on file for him because they only take palm prints during a major crime They didn't consider any of these a major crime to take a palm print. Otherwise, it's just fingerprints didn't consider any of these a major crime to take a palm print otherwise it's just fingerprints so he had previously resided at 53 Cabot Street number 2R which is about four blocks from the home of Amanda. He resided with a heavyset Hispanic female. Things are starting to line up here. They had a

four-year-old son. This is all lining up so they reported that on March 9th 2011 and on March 17th 2012 listed as the home telephone they got his phone number here his number does appear in her cell phone records oh yeah according to the records there was a total of nine calls between Amanda's phone and his phone four of the nine were outgoing calls from Amanda's phone, five were him calling her. The- Fuck, she wants that bowl.

She wants her fucking bowl back. Don't take my shit. The duration of the calls varied from a few seconds to 89 seconds, but they all occurred on July 28th, 2011. And the last call was at 1126 a.m. that time, so okay, we know that. Wow, so that's what we know. Now October 29th, 2013 is when they talked to Dennis.

So it's been two fucking years. It's been a while, yeah. So now they talk to him, oh I'm sorry, they talk to, based on, and like we said, this is based on the ex-boyfriend, they bring the ex-boyfriend in to him, oh I'm sorry, they talked to, based on, like we said, this is based on the ex-boyfriend, they bring the ex-boyfriend in to say, we have this guy, is this the guy you saw? Is this your dentist?

Yeah, before they say we know you were over there, because the boyfriend said so, they want to make sure. Now he said that day that Amanda had awoken him and said that she called the person he was on his way over, so could you wake up and be over here? When Dennis arrived, Amanda was on the back porch and it was 15 minutes later. This guy said that they showed him a photo array containing 10 pictures, including Dennis, and he said none of the pictures rung a bell. However, he wrote also, I didn't see any features I could remember I know it definitely wasn't

number six because I know that guy so it's definitely not it's definitely not Frank but it's not any of the other nine either the other might be a Dennis there might be a Dennis you never know so they find Dennis here on the 29th they call him and he said he was busy. So they go find him on the street. And he says, I'm busy. And they go, well, you're free to go. And he wanted to walk away, but the officers just walked with him.

They go, you're free to go. And he goes, okay, turns away. And then they walk with him. Oh, we're free to walk with you. So one guy trooper. You can go anywhere you want. I mean, yeah, we'll just, we'll follow you, but you can go there.

Trooper Gibbons here walked and talked with Rosa, with Dennis, while the other three officers followed. He asked what they wanted to talk about. And the trooper said that we want to go to the police station to talk with you. And he said, I don't want to go to the police station. Through this, he lit a cigarette, appeared very nervous. He asked what it was all about.

They said, well, we don't want to talk about it on the street. We'd rather do it in the police station here And he said that if I know what it's all about I'll meet with you in a few days If you tell me when I'm not busy Yeah, so the trooper asked him if he knew a girl from chickpea named Amanda He said I know a lot of girls from chickpea and a few of them are named Amanda really How many amandas do you know? From one town in central Massachusetts? None.

I don't know one. I don't know any. Giant city. Yeah. He asked, did something happen to this girl? Because I don't ever go to Chickopee anymore. And the trooper said it was Amanda who had tattoos on her chest.

Do you know that one? Tattoos, lots of tats. And he said, oh yeah, I know her. They said, when were you last in Chickopee? He said it was a long time, a couple years. When asked if he had a girlfriend in Chicopee, he said yes, you know, all of that. He asked, can I go now? But the trooper asked him for a telephone number saying, because he said you would call. So, you know, just in case we get mixed up here, he finished smoking a cigarette and threw it out of the pavement and

Dummy. Yep a female with a child came out of a building and he said he had to leave because this is his girlfriend and kid So they left. Okay trooper said great and picked up his fucking cigarette Obviously put that in the goddamn bag for later. We'll have that some DNA on that So there's there later that day Dennis and his girlfriend went to the home of a friend of theirs named Melissa Hoy Now Melissa Hoy is not a confidant that you should be telling things to because I know this because she went and told the police all This shit this guy

Yeah, Dennis told Melissa Hoy about his encounter with police So Melissa Hoy asked him whether the investigation concerned the victim, Amanda, and he said, Oh, I don't know. So then Hoy showed him a picture of Amanda from the internet and said, was it about this chick? Um, Oh, it was on her phone, not even on the internet. So it was off her phone. And she said that he got really quiet and put his head down. Oh, he admitted that he knew her and sold her weed occasionally Okay that night Dennis returned to hoys home and apologized for lying to hoi and his girlfriend He said that he told them that he had gone to the victim's house to deliver weed that night

Actually of the murder, but he said he didn't kill anybody or see any death. He said he heard voices outside When he from the inside he heard voices and he said an unknown white male Opened the victim's door grabbed the bag of weed out of his hand and told him to get the fuck out of here not come back Now when you're delivering weed you don't have it in your hand like a pizza by the way It's in your pocket till you get in there and not in 2011 yeah Jesus so November 1st he calls Gibbons and says that I gotta talk to you I need to talk to you right now Dennis calls the cops okay he said that yeah I gotta get down there he said that it's been bothering him for two years since it happened he said I have to tell you something about that girl

Amanda been bothering me the trooper asked if he would come to my office in Springfield. Dennis said no. He said okay well meet me in front of the Westfield police station. So they do they go over there. They're inside they go the he agrees to meet with him there. So they bring him in an interview room. He's advised of his rights, waives those, everything like that. He tells officers here that he had met her once two weeks before the murder.

He said, on the day of the murder, Amanda called him to ask for weed. Yeah. Wanted to buy some weed. When he approached the back door, he could hear a male voice arguing with Amanda and he knocked on the door and an unknown male answered and took the weed from him and that was that. You don't believe in ghosts? I get it. Lots of people don't. I didn't either until I came face face to face with them. Ever since that moment, hauntings, spirits, and the unexplained have consumed my entire

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your favorite podcasts. He said he feared for his life because this unknown male and the male that had another guy had been following him in different cars. So he goes, now they're after me. Yeah. So he said, now they're after me. So he said, I'm here to get, I need protection from you guys. I need police protection. Fascinating story.

He said, I've never been inside her apartment. That's what he says now. Never been, which we know isn't true. He said, I've never been inside her apartment. Well, I guess they talked on the back porch when he came over one time. So yeah, he said that never at all, he'd never been inside and that he identified a

friend who was with him on the day that he'd gone to the apartment. He said that he'd been hanging out with his friend and the friend waited in the front of the home while he went around the back and the two left together on foot after they swiped the weed out of his hand. So the cop said, hey, can we maybe get some DNA from you? And he said, yeah, sure. And then he said, didn't you guys already take a cigarette off me anyways he fucking knew. Oh he saw it.

He said I know you're investigating me no matter what. So and anyway he signs a statement gives DNA that's November 1st November 5th okay they are they approach him at his home and request another interview they want to do some follow-up shit he said he's willing to speak but he's currently babysitting his girlfriend's baby him at his home and request another interview. They want to do some follow-up shit. He said he's willing to speak but he's currently babysitting his girlfriend's baby so he can't go now. Not even his kid. So they said well what if we get you come down to the station with the kid and we'll have an officer watch the kid at the station. I mean we got blocks. We got plenty of shit. Yeah there's those little molestation rooms we bring them in to talk

about shit. They can play with the dolls that the kids point to for trouble. They can play with the bad spot dolls. They don't know what they're for. The kid's four. He doesn't know that it's a molestation doll. He has no idea. Yeah. We call that the bloodhound gang doll. Yeah, you know, it's fine. So they do that. He says, okay. At the start of the interview, he was friendly, laughing, and then he was expressing concern that his girlfriend may be angry if she found out that he had brought her child to the police station. So he said I really want to help you guys though. He said this is terrible, you guys need help, I got to help you guys out, you know what

I'm saying? You need people to help, I can understand that, I'm one of those people. He said you got questions for me man, let's go, like let's do it. He's got to know they have DNA that's in question. Oh yeah, that's, yeah. What kind of, he's ballsy, man. Then he said, I gotta get outta here before my girlfriend gets outta work. She's gonna be mad at me.

He said, I just have to hurry up. My girl's gonna be out soon, shit like that. My girl's getting out soon. I have the keys, I have her house keys and her phone. I'm trying to wrap this up. She's going to be pissed. He said that yes, Amanda bought marijuana from him on multiple occasions and on one occasion they spoke on the back porch.

He showed the defendant a picture of a dry erase board with the phrase Dennis was here written on it. He previously denied being inside the apartment, but he admitted that yes, he did step inside just to sign the dry erase board. Oh, he wrote it? Yeah, Dennis was here. He wrote it. He said, I wrote it.

Oh my God. He said that the board was located by the back door and that her bedroom did not look the way it was pictured in the photograph at the time. And they said, well, how do you know this room didn't look like this like this and he said all I seen was a bed in her room that's about it so they said did you ever smoke weed with him inside with her inside the apartment and he said yeah I lit a bowl once in the kitchen placed the lighter on the counter and sat down on the couch and then he said well I have been inside her house but like I just don't want people to look at me like I'm a fucking

murderer you know so I lied to police about it because that makes you look like less of a murder he then said I seen that shit go down I heard that shit and I'm scared so now he's saying I was there yeah I was a murder yeah they said well you know we've done a lot of processing on the scene and you know he well, my fingerprints might be on a glass cup on the table on a doorknob maybe. And he said, what did you guys find? I want to know. I bet you do.

You do. That's called. You can't explain it away. That's called discovery and your lawyer will find that out after you're charged. You'll know later. So he, the cop said that they found quote some things underneath the victims fingernails and asked if he had ever had a fight With Amanda or a scuffle and he said no, of course not and they said, okay Well, we're trying to find the friend that you said that was with they with you on the day of the murder

That you said but we looked him up and he was in jail that day like the whole day like woke up in jail went to bed in jail and then he said that's impossible they're like no no it's right here on the paper he was in there state logs he's definitely there yeah he was there we know when people are in jail yeah so yeah he said that look I went there I gave her weed through the window at different times she asked me about the theft in her house, which I didn't do He said I did write Dennis was here. We smoked weed together After they showed him pictures of the crime scene He became upset and he said you guys trying to do what what's up? I don't have no time here. I gotta go I

Gotta get out of here. This is crazy guys are fucking with me. And he wanted to leave and they said, well, we're investigating still. And he said, all right, but this like, I want to know like this. I want to know like this ain't cool. He said, this ain't cool. You guys are real good at this and I'm not. Yeah, this is bad.

So oh my God. So he's like, yeah, this is fucked up. And he said, I gotta go. And they said, well, you know, why do you think she might have been killed? And he said, I don't know, maybe she owed some money or stole drugs from someone and maybe a fucking dealer got mad at her or something. They were like, okay. Then they were asking him about the day of

she called me to get weed, and they said, well, there's no telephone records of that. And he said, I smoke so much weed, I don't remember a lot of things, and maybe I got my days mixed up. That's what he said. You're in your 20s, your brain's that old already? That fried by 21.

So then they go to him and they go, well, you know what you probably can see, and what we can easily remember is, these are DNA results. See those? They say that they're under, your shit's under her fingernails. How do you explain that?

And he said, okay, yeah, check it out. All right, fine, this is what happened. I tried to save her from the killer, that's what happened. They said, well, who was the killer? And he he said I can't tell you that I'm too scared She claws up her her white knight. Yeah, that's what it is. Well, yeah, that's what he said So nearly two hours into the interview, by the way He's Gibbons the trooper stepped out of the room for nine minutes at which time he learned That's the first time at the that's when the DNA came in was then so then he went back and was like hey

we got your DNA and his response was I know the fucking murderer and I tried to save her life Okay He said I know the motherfucker. All right This is exact quotes the sergeant said you know what and he said I know the motherfucking murderer I tried to save her life and they go What did you do and he said I know the fucking murderer and they said what did you do to try to save her life and they go what did you do and he said I know the fucking murder and they said What did you do to try to save her life? And he said I tried to grab her and the guy fucking tossed me down the stairs

Look at me. I'm a little guy. I'm a little guy. Look at my shoes. They're tiny They said so why don't you tell me the whole story? Tell me everything that happened and he said I can't he's gonna fucking kill me and they said well Why don't you tell me everything that happened and right? He said again. He's gonna fucking kill me and they said well, why don't you tell me everything that happened and right? He said again, he's gonna fucking kill me. What the fuck do I do? And they said well, why don't you tell us everything that happened? Yeah, and he said I know the fucking murderer. That's all I know. I can't give you anymore Sir, like okay. He tried to explain. He said I tried to grab her the guy fucking tossed me down the stairs Then he said I want a lawyer. I want to go home, I want to get out of here, I want a lawyer, that's it.

And he got up and tried to leave and they said, well, you're under arrest asshole. Your DNA is out there, somebody's shit. He tried to resist being arrested. Of course, yeah. Obviously with all of this and he repeatedly interrupted the booking process to tell police that they arrested the wrong person and now you're putting his family in danger. Okay, all right.

Yeah, that is fucking wild. He also, he said that he's sorry, he apologized for not, he said the victim grabbed me and I'm sorry I didn't try to save her harder. While they're driving to jail, the transporting officer, Dr. David Gagnon, what is it with cops named Gagnon? Gag-on-on, I don't get it, testified there was no conversation during the transport except when

Dennis asked if they could stop at his girlfriend's house to tell her that he loved her. Now I'm only gonna do that. Sure thing, he's a real romantic, this fucking guy, that's one thing. He just dropped me by the friendlies and dropped a frost. I really wanna get a sundae, this fucking guy. That's one thing. You guys drop me by the Friendly's and grab a Frost. I really wanna get a sundae. They're really good.

Butterscotch, please. Get her a nice shake, a goodbye shake. Fuck, man. So he is printed and they do the major prints, major crime prints this time, in foreign Miranda rights. And again, he says at this police station I went there to smoke I went there to hang out with her that day we smoked weed I was there for about two hours she told him to come back later to smoke more he

said I wasn't why lied about my friend I wasn't with my friend but I just wanted to say I was with my friend because I hated him and I wanted to get him into trouble. Okay so many stories. He said as he approached the apartment he could hear the victim screaming stop stop stop stop this isn't right stop stop. He said he heard the sound of glass breaking he pushed in the door and entered the house and found the assailant and the victim in the kitchen. He said the assailant was on top of the victim.

He said he tried to separate them when the assailant pushed him back and brandished a knife. He then said that the victim grabbed him when he tried to help her off the floor. He said he fought with the assailant and eventually was punched in the jaw before or repeatedly before fleeing out the door. I'm just a little guy. He said I feared for the safety of my family. That's why I lied. And they said, they said please identify this other person and he said I can't say nothing I really can't. I hold to my word I can't say nothing.

And they said hold to your word to who? And they said you're going to jail. Who are you holding words for? And he said I know I'm going to jail so I'm not saying no more. I'm so I'm sorry you have to charge me with this shit I'm done you can try this shit but I'm done so yeah he said you know he looked he said after the murder he looked down and said wow how do I get myself out of this yeah so he wants his statements tossed by the way all those yeah, I want all that shit gone.

He said- I want to do my own story, one draft. He said officers lied and used trickery to obtain subsequent statements. Now he said that it's all bullshit. They showed me gruesome pictures. It was very upsetting and I wanted to stop the interview. I told them I wanted to go home but they would not let me. That's what he said.

So the cops here, or the judge here, says that no, at one point he said, I don't know what's going on, you guys are trying to pin this on me, you guys trying a what, what's up, because I don't have no time here, I gotta go. What's up? So he said that was an invocation of his rights.

I gotta go, what's up? Which is not, you have to say specific fucking things here. So basically what they rule is that everything he said is fine and it's all in, except that when he is brought out of the room and in the booking process, he said some shit, all of that is tossed out. That's after he pulled his rights and everything like that.

But the rest of the conversations on the way to jail and everything else, and when he got to jail and started saying more shit, he was remorandized. So the shit in the room counts, the shit outside the room doesn't, and then when they get back in another room, that counts too.

So the trial comes up here. The jury is taken to both Amanda's and his apartment. Jesus. To see the crime scenes. They really wanna take them just to walk them from one to the other to show how close they are. Just to show you had an opportunity here. The Lowe's guy was on the defense witness list because he's the guy who said

that Coggins guy admitted to it but before the trial began he was brought into court and he chose to take his fifth amendment right to not testify. Okay. And that was that for that for that guy there. Now in opening the openings here the the prosecutor tells the jurors that they're going to hear from Amanda's friends. They're going to hear from Mercedes Benz. Yeah. Very exciting. The, you know, who, to put the time of death in there. They said, little did Mercedes Benz know that Amanda Plass was lying in her kitchen on the floor, stabbed to death while she was texting her.

She said, you'll see pictures of the crime scene showing the struggle that occurred in the kitchen and how she was stabbed all over the kitchen All this shit the defense said this is insane. They said it's not my guy. It's another guy a drug dealer Who's the killer? Oh my guy doesn't want to identify him because he doesn't think the police can protect him But you know, he did not do it. He knows the guy who did though That's what he said. He said he could have told but he did not give up this guy's name because he's a man of honor. That's what it is. So the all the defense keeps bringing up is this Coggins guy. Well, he said he did it. Well, he said he did it. Well, he said he did it. What by the way, they found out that the guy who said that Coggins said he did it and him never actually shared a pod

at all. They were never together in jail. The guy made it up right out, pulled it directly from his asshole. I wish these people would stop this shit. Stop it. So that's, I mean, they bring the DNA evidence. Dennis doesn't testify. It's not much of a trial.

No. DNA, evidence, footprint. And opportunity. His foot matches, by the way. It's a seven and a half. It's ridiculous. So the whole thing is fucking crazy. During closing arguments they say that she was killed

as a part of a robbery in which he took marijuana, her cell phone, and her boyfriend's knife. That's all, it's pretty cut and dry here. They said quote, there was no other guy, just the defendant. And the defense lawyer said, everything she said but the opposite. Right. And then he sat down.

So the jury goes out for five hours of deliberation, which really seems like a lot in this case. In this case. Yeah. They probably sat there trying to debate why, why did he do it? Like what, but why does it matter? Yeah. Yeah. His DNA is foot, everything's there. He's the guy who fucking did it. I mean, I'm. For sure did it.

Finger, the DNA under the fingernails, I'm like, well, there you go. Goodbye, asshole. And footprint in her blood. You were there, dude. Footprint in her blood, and a palm print on the broken window, and you're gonna say that you were trying to keep

a person from killing her? That's not believable. It's impossible. And guess what? If I, no matter how afraid I am of somebody, if I'm on the fucking stand saying I'm the murderer, I'm giving that asshole up. We're not in the mafia here, you know what I mean? We're just, this is crazy.

I mean, the other part is like, even if he said another guy did it, well there's no other evidence of somebody else even being there. That's the point. There's no, where's his DNA? Where's his footprints in the blood? He floated above the mix. Yeah. You know, he levitated. It's a flying ass drug dealer. Everybody watch out. Where's his DNA? Where's his footprints in the blood? He floated above the mix. Yeah, well, you know he Levitated drug deal everybody watch out. I'd say the Jesus killed her watch out. He floats and floats he moves around

so He is found guilty of first-degree murder, which is in the commission of a robbery and everything else not good not good during sentencing else not good not good during sentencing her mom testifies and says that is Amanda's mom said that she would stop and give you her jacket if she saw you in the cold wouldn't hesitate to hand over money for food if you were standing on the corner it didn't faze her to pick

out all the red gummy bears for a child Sunday while working a shift at Friendly's kid who didn't like the red ones apparently they said that she said that a life is taken too soon the loss is felt every day whether it's a song a at friendlies. The kid who didn't like the red ones apparently. They said that, she said that a life is taken too soon, the loss is felt every day, whether it's a saw on the site or thought something that is lived with every day. So obviously this is very hard on the family and everything like that. So the judge says, calls it an unspeakable horror.

Agreed. That brought unbearable pain and unthinkable grief and says to the family, to her family, you all have my utmost respect for your strength and courage. What the court can do for you, can't bring your daughter back, but I can bring justice to this case.

And he might as well have said, and this asshole in front of me you sir may fuck off life without parole for my man Dennis here not bad so this is the system to work in a chocolate factory the rest of his life there you go so now shit gets real weird by the way how okay this is a total side story to this trial that didn't come out for a while. 2013, two years after the murder, it is revealed that two Chickopee police officers who had been assigned to guard the door until detectives arrived took photographs with their personal cell phones.

The pictures were shared with other police officers and with coaches at a youth football game. Why do all these cops think that that's so fucking funny? Hey, your kid's really coming along at linebacker. Wanna see a chick carved up? What the fuck, man? Wanna see a 20-year-old? This is Sergeant.

Bet you've seen some crazy shit. Oh, I'll send you a picture. Oh, I got it. Sergeant Keith LeMeghan Officer Terry Deck each snapped photographs of the bloody scene on the third floor apartment with their cell phones. Deck passed the photograph on to nine fellow officers. Lemay later showed a photograph while explaining the importance of not contaminating the crime scene then sent the photo to him at his request.

Then this other guy passed it on to another cop who later showed it to parents at a youth sporting event. Yeah, way to take your job seriously, dickheads. Wow, about two months later, the district attorney learned of the photo sharing and told the mayor. Said the mayor was deeply troubled by the allegations. So the police chief, who was then deputy chief in charge of internal affairs, conducted an

investigation. Guder was charged with incompetence and then incompetence. The guy in charge. Awesome. The officers were reprimanded and had to work some shifts without being paid. Okay. Now, he did the prosecutor, the district court judge judge concluded they could not be prosecuted Then the family sues. Yeah, I got the city and the police department and everybody else for unauthorized distribution of these

Fucking things they said it was intentional reckless extreme and outrageous and the suit is settled for a hundred thousand dollars Then sergeant Jeffrey Guder gets fired. You cost us a hundred grand. Right. So. You've been adjudicated incompetent. Yeah, adjudicated a fucking moron. Moron. How's that? Good? Excellent. You fucking, I hope you work at Friendly's you piece of shit. Now in 2017, On the Case with Paul Lazon does a story on here. Sensational. Yeah.

Yeah. February 2020, he gets his job back. Jeffrey Gader gets his fucking job back. Yes. He went to a commission, a civil service commission, ruled that he would be demoted to patrolman because of his conduct. This was the second time in his career as a police officer that he won be demoted to patrolman because of his conduct. This was the second time in his career as a police officer that he won an appeal with the Civil Service Commission. In 2016, the commission ruled in his favor after he was demoted for patrolman

to patrolman for untruthfulness in a burglary case. Fire this asshole! Fire this fucking asshole! Why does he keep his job? What the fuck? Where there's smoke, there's fire. He's a bad cop, fuck that guy. You suck, fuck you, cop. Fuck that guy.

You suck. Fuck you dude. Fuck you Jeffrey Gader. Please, I won't drive through your town so you can't pull me over. Ever. No. Lick my ass you fucking jerk off. Fuck you. Eat my balls. In my opinion, you're a terrible fucking cop. You're an adjudicated moron. Moron. Idiot. Jesus.

Get your badge up your ass. Fuck that guy. That guy's gonna get a pension. That's fucked up. I hope not. So the That's a badge up your ass. Fuck that guy. Fuck him. That guy's gonna get a pension. That's fucked up. I hope not. So the family wants a new law. Uh-huh. And this has been going on since 2014 of we want a law that says that you can't do this,

basically. Yeah, cops sharing shit is disgusting. It should be illegal. Yeah, Amanda's sister said, we need to actually tell people they can't do this and need to make sure there's a consequence because those officers really didn't receive a consequence. And they didn't, so that's the problem.

By the way, Dennis Appeals saying that the police officers violated his Miranda rights throughout the booking procedure and all that kind of shit. They say no, get the fuck out of here. Eat dicks, Jerkoff. So One Deadly Mistake is another show that airs an episode on this in 2022, I believe, the 2021, called Hidden in Plain Sight.

Then, 2022, the law is passed here. It is called Amanda's Law. That's nice. It's against the law in Massachusetts for first responders to take unauthorized photographs of crime scenes now. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

They said, you know, one of the people said, it was a mother, oh, I'm sorry, her mother, it's actually Amanda's mother, said, you know you could be on the internet one day and up pops an image of your child laying in a pool of blood. Once those pictures are out there, they're out there and you can't take them back. She said, yeah, body cameras should never be turned off. That wasn't the issue. The issue was personal cell phones because people are like, well, they're on body cam.

So the issue is personal cell phones and distributing them. You also need like a court order to be able to look at the body cam footage and a request to do that. Cops don't have ability to share that with their fucking football coach. Yeah, they can't download that to their phone and show everybody. So it was dubbed Amanda's Law,

and it was first introduced by state rep Joe Wagner, who refiled it each time the bill failed to make it across and be passed. He kept refiling it. He said, from that tragedy will come a good piece of law that will help other families who have had family members who are victims of serious crimes. Amanda is buried at the Chickopee, Hamden County,

in Chickopee and Hamden County at the St. Rose de Lima Cemetery. So she is there. Currently, Dennis is at the Sousa Baranowski Correctional Facility in Maximum Security and I'm sure having a wonderful time being a very tiny man in jail. He's in Max? Oh boy. Oh fuck yeah he's in Max. He's a fucking violent murderer. He stabbed a chick six times and cut her throat. He's in fucking Max.

He's in trouble. Yeah. You're not getting lower for that shit. I'd like to show that cop wear on the throat. He's in fucking max. He's in trouble, yeah. You're not getting lower for that shit. So I'd like to show that cop where on the doll he can stick a badge. That's for sure. What a peep. What a scumbag. So anyway, that's Chick-A-Pee Massachusetts. Crazy shit.

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