Small Town Murder - #573 - Serial Killing Schizophrenic Cannibal - Bethesda, Maryland

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

This week, in Bethesda, Maryland, a twisted man quietly kills, for years, using an odd alter ego & even eating parts of certain victims. He is as disturbed as his serial murdering crimes, drawing strange pictures, and confessing to a man that he thinks is Jesus! He comes from a strange background, having the darkest things in common with his older brother. One of the craziest stories that we've ever done!Along the way, we find out that giving your kid certain nicknames may screw them up for life, that you shouldn't compete with your brother in some areas of life, and that even if you tell police where all the bodies are, it probably won't make the voices stop!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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a sick, twisted man quietly kills for years using an odd alter ego and even eating parts of certain victims while drawing strange pictures and confessing to a man that he thinks is Jesus. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed.

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Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah, we shall. Let's do it. We are going to Maryland this week. We are in Bethesda, Maryland. This is in central. It seems like a popular place. It is. We've all are in Bethesda, Maryland. This is in central.

It seems like a popular place. We've all heard of Bethesda. It is. Bethesda has been, I don't know why. Was it? I don't know. I feel like those old TV ads, there was people that were like, you know, send a self-addressed stamped envelope.

It was something. I think a lot of that shit came maybe there. A snack shop in Bethesda. Yeah. I think that's what it was maybe. I't know so this isn't self-addressed Remember allow six to eight weeks for shipping or whatever the hell you want this thing off TV. You can have it two months from now I want to know why I know so much about Bethesda I don't know anything about it. Well, we'll find out some stuff about here

It's in central Maryland with Maryland's like a lot of panhandles all together This is a very strange shaped place the middle one here. Yeah, they definitely kind of made that one up as far as land goes There's nothing no natural borders to it where you go. Yeah, that's where it ends. It's about Then the ocean and the rivers it's about 20 minutes to Washington DC from here Oh and about 45 minutes to Baltimore so it's actually closer to DC than Baltimore here. Yeah, maybe it was in the wire. Possibly, yeah that's a possibility.

About two hours and 45 minutes to Pocomoke City, Maryland which is our last episode in Maryland Gone Like a Ghost. That was a very weird episode there, just a disappearance completely. This is in Montgomery County, area code 301. The motto here is an uncommon mix of life and style. It is. Oh, God, Jesus, that's uncommon. That's such a marketing.

Like, that's, they hired a company. Yeah, they paid five grand for that and someone gave them that slogan. Some of the history here a little bit. Most of the settlers here were tenant farmers who paid their rent in tobacco. Oh, try that now. Yeah, pay your rent in anything but currency. Just tobacco. Just give them a pile of Marlboros and see if that's, is this good? Drop kick them a cart in the new port. Is that all right or no? We're square. Couple reviews of this town here. We'll get through them pretty quick cause we have a lot of crazy story here.

Here's five stars. Okay. What I love the most about Bethesda is its safety. Having lived in several countries, that doesn't sound good when we're talking about on a show called small town murder. Bethesda is safe because I've been to Uganda. He said it's definitely the safest place. I've lived in Wow, okay moreover. It's very international. I also love how clean it is and how green everything looks during the summer

However, it's very residential. So it's not a very walkable city How many times did they say very in this review a few it also has to be it also? Can be a bit too calm sometimes. Okay. A little too calm, not enough partying. Is that good? I, it depends on what you're looking for, I guess, right? One star. We've lived in Bethesda for a year and we cannot wait until our lease expires so we can get out of Bethesda.

Oh. My car was broken into a month after moving to the quote, nice neighborhood. Uh huh. Well, that's where the nice cars are to break into. Yeah. My car was broken into a month after moving to the quote nice neighborhood Well, that's where the nice cars are to break into Break into somebody's 85 fucking Caprice no There is constant mayhem from construction in the downtown area, you know Improvements and stuff of you know making it a nicer place the drivers are chaotic there are a few safe places to walk to restaurants because the drivers are unpredictable we'll just jump up on the curb and take you out on

the sidewalk it's very hot and humid well yeah that's the East Coast and the J2 bus is okay but the bus drivers are aggressive. Yeah it's a bus driver. Jesus Christ. That's great. There are a few normal primary care doctors just urgent care that acts as primary care on paper but without the trust or security of actual doctor patient interactions. Rent is absurd but most of the housing is dated and low quality. Okay that's great and they say that there's no good mechanics in the area, just some extremely expensive dealerships. Very specific complaints. This person wants somebody to do everything for them.

And they're upset that everything can't be done exactly how they want it. And this person is an incapable person of taking care of themselves. No, they can't do much here. Jesus Christ. I mean, I guess they're not, if you're not a doctor or a mechanic, it would be hard to take care of that stuff. But, Mechanics not that hard. Now it is.

Those, Well, yeah. Can't look at a fucking car and do anything to it now. If you've got a scanner, it's not hard. Well, you just gotta take fucking everything apart to do. If you own a professional shop, yeah. You know, my father can fix any car up till about 1998 and then it starts to be in computers.

I bet he can fix everything today too he just needs the computer that tells him what to do. He doesn't have because he doesn't have a shop. He's got to take everything out to do one little thing. I think that computer is expensive. I think it is yeah I think you only get it when you're certified in that. I think you only get it when you're certified in that community. I think probably, yeah. So people in this town, 66,294 people.

So a little big, but still a suburb and definitely residential. That's why we put those reviews to tell you that. It's 52% females, so way more females than males. Median age is a few years higher than the national average. It's 43. It's a very suburban family type of place. 61% married, which is well above the national average. Very low people that are single with children's,

only 6.5%. This is, you get married, you buy an expensive house that you can't afford to get divorced in. That's it. And you work on your own car. You stay together. And you just let your cars die and put them in the garage. Race in this town, 74.8% white, 3.6% black, 11% Asian, 7.2%

Hispanic. So some mix up in there. Religion, 40% of the people here are religious. So it's lower than our normal here. We have Catholic is the most yeah but it's it's not that by that big of a margin though. Really? It's not. We'd say that's the Baptists of the North but we're really not in the north and it's just they're the... It's a hodgepodge they just happen to have seven or eight more.

Baptists of the mid-Atlantic region here and that's about it here. The unemployment rate here is about average. Median household income here is very high. Rest of the country, $69,000. Here, $178,370. These people are crushing life. They're killing it. That's almost three times the national average of everything. My Christ. But the cost of living, you need to make that.

They're outrageous. 100 is average here, it's 138.5, 138.5. That's not that bad. We're making three times the national average in money. Yeah, but the home cost is average here. It's 138 and a half 138 point that bad, but making three times the national average and money Yeah, but the home cost is the problem. That's the big one That's what drives it all the way up the home cost median home cost here 1,000,000 72 thousand one hundred dollars, so you better be making 200 grand a year to buy any house Is your average house. Yeah. For every half a million dollar house,

there's a million and a half. That's exactly right. So if you've saved up your money, you're all ready to go. We have for you the Bethesda Maryland real estate report. The average two bedroom rental here is $2,340, which is almost double the national average. Here's a four bedroom, three bath, 2,228 square foot house. It's nice. It's a cute little place.

It's built in not even little. It's a decent place, but it's a good size. It's a it's a Classified as a bungalow. So it's that style. So it looks smaller than it is. It was built 1928 and very nicely updated. It's pretty damn cool. Uh, wow, it is $950,000 though mine, which is a bit pricey no land the little tiny lot nothing just this little house It's got to have a finished basement, right? That's gotta be where the food comes from. Maybe, possibly, yeah.

I don't remember if I, it was hard to tell. If they don't show, if it's a finished basement, sometimes it's hard to tell if it's in the rest of the house or where it is. Here is a six-bedroom, six-bath, T-ball for each and every beehole here. 5,890 square feet. This is the meat. This is the middle house. 0.35 acres. This house looks like it's

150 years old, but it was built in 2003. Oh, wow. It's an old Victor. It looks like a big old Victorian house. It's got like that round turret looking thing there and all that kind of shit. It's very cool, but you are like,, what the fuck this is old, but it's not I don't understand it Yeah, it's three million 190 thousand dollars Okay, man, why imagine imagine being able to that's it's ridiculous It's ridiculous, and then the next house is even crazier six-bedroom 11 bath And then the next house is even crazier six-bedroom 11 bath

T-bowl for all your b-holes and your brothers and sisters you can fight your parents over to take a dump everybody They ran out of people to put rooms in there. There's like we've got so much more room. Just make more bathroom We got a lot of plumbing. There's like we have extra pipes. Let's just 11,000 522 square feet on 1.93 acres. It's like, it's on the river. It has these beautiful views. It looks like, it looks like a resort destination, romantic comedy movie, wedding venue.

That's what it looks like. It's ridiculous. Is it 11 million? It looks like a resort. $23,500,000. 23 million. It's ridiculous. Is it 11 million? It looks like a resort. Twenty three million five hundred thousand dollars. Twenty three million. Twenty three million. I don't know what that is.

A sultan lives there. Somebody who goes to DC sometimes but lives in like the United Arab Emirates or something. You know. That's ridiculous. This isn't in Beverly Hills or in Greenwich or something like that. This is Bethesda, Maryland, which we thought we heard of, but we weren't sure.

I'm not even sure why or what this is. Things to do here. All right, I'm gonna give you two completely opposite things as far as culture goes. Enjoy $23 million! That's what there is to do here. That's for these, that's the first thing to do is for the $23 million house set here. Listen to this shit. It's called Bethesda Row Arts Festival. Here's the description. I'm gonna notice if you notice, I'm gonna see if you notice a certain word they like to use here. Every September over 30,000 affluent art enthusiasts from the Washington D.C. metro area and its surrounding suburbs converge upon the Bethesda Row Arts Festival.

The three-mile radius surrounding the festival boasts an average household income of $196,910, positioning the event as one of the nation's most affluent and educated art marketplaces. Hey, you broke dummies. Stay away. Yep. Would you like to come and stare at rich people, do shit that rich people do that you can't afford to do? Maybe they can tell you about their extra bathrooms.

What do you say? Come through and get bullied without a single word. They just look at you and go, ugh. about their extra bathrooms. What do you say? Come through and get bullied without a single word. They just look at you and go, ugh. So that's one end of it. Affluent, they love the word affluent in there. Then the other end of it is Porky the Little Eater. What is this?

Okay, that is, I'll show you a picture. That is this. Okay, what the fuck is this? It's a little brick house with a pig on it. Six foot high brick house with a pig with its mouth open. That is I'll show you a picture that is this Six foot high brick house with a pig with its mouth open looks like a glory hole that looks like a pig glory hole You fuck its face and you're like, okay It says Cabin John Regional Park is a peaceful picnic spot in Montgomery County that features one very unusual resident an environmentally conscious talking pig.

Oh boy. He has been treating visitors to his chatty maw with refuse since the park opened in 1966. The push of a button located near his smiling face, it's not smiling, he's making an O-hole for a dick. There's not a person, this is just a, it's like a computerized pig. It's a plastic pig. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah talks if you press the button is all the prodding he needs to start his pitch after a couple

of snorts and grunts the low voice of one-time park caretaker Ted Gurney issues the following cheery message hi kids I'm porky the little eater and I sure like to eat you can feed me paper and cardboard, soft drink cans, but never feed me bottles or broken glass. Glass gives me a stomach ache. He's a recycle bin. He's a recycle bin that doesn't do glass. He's like, yeah, throw that in the trash. It's got a vacuum powered mouth.

You know people have stuck their dick in here. Oh, yes. How many people have stuck their dick in this big mouth? How many? I'd love to know. It's remarkable. Maybe that's why, you gotta go there, man.

There's this park with this, you just stick your dick in there, buddy. I'll tell you what. There's a vacuum pig mouth. It will suck you into the next farm, boy. And it's free. Oh my God, that is funny. Porky wasn't the first talking trash receptacle

in Montgomery County. That honor was held by Billy the Litter Goat. Who was at, who in 1965 was at Wheaton Regional Park. But Porky is the only one that remains. Okay, so they get rid of the litter goat. The litter goat sounds like much more practical and it seems right because goats will fucking eat anything pig Yeah, eat bottles

They don't need paper. No, that's why I guess that's why glass gives you a stomach ache Yeah, delete your like the clothes of a dead person. I think right. Yeah Yeah, and a dead person and a dead person on the first holy shit. That is crazy So crime rate here, what we're interested in, crime rate, property crime is actually less than the national average, by about a third under the national average, and then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery,

and of course assault is about half the national average. So pretty goddamn safe in this town. It's super wealthy. I mean, if you- That's what happens when you have money. If you're riding down the street in anything less than a $90,000 car, there's probably people, I mean, if you. That's what happens when you have money. Yeah. If you're riding down the street in anything less than a $90,000 car, there's probably, everyone's gonna notice you

and you'll be caught for murder, I think. What's this riffraff doing here? What are you doing staring at the art installment? Don't do that. You're not up to that. So that said, let's talk about, holy shit, some murder here. This is, wow, okay, let's just start by talking about this guy here.

All right, there's no other way to do this. Hadden, H-A-D-D-E-N is his first name, Hadden Irving Clark. He is born in 1951, and he's from Troy, New York originally. That's where he's born, but he's gonna move all over the place, just constantly moving as a child.

His parents are always going to, his dad's always going to a different job, trying to make more money and- Troy's a shit hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anything way up, anything in upstate New York there is a dump. So bad. It's, these are burnt out industrial towns

that still have SUNY colleges. Now they're just little college towns now. So- It's a little greeny town, yeah. Now they're just little college towns now. So. Greeny town, yeah. Now his parents are married and together, his whole life, which normally you go, okay, well that's good, it'll be a stable upbringing, but this is not a stable upbringing.

And judging by the actions of Haddon and his brother, something went wrong in this house, for sure. Like this is not an okay household here. They move all the time, at is not an okay household here. They move all the time, at least like sometimes twice a year. Oh, really? And not just to a different house, to a different city. Really?

Yeah, like move to a different place completely a couple times a year, which is different. Like, I moved a lot, but. Instability and work? Well, no, not instability. He, his dad, his dad's a chemist. And apparently a like top tier, gun for hire to chemist back then where people were Always trying to hire him away. And so he was always moving jobs to get more money. His dad's name is also Haddon

They called him Haddon jr This hadden young hadden even though they his dad doesn't have a middle name, but he does. But they still call him Junior all the time. Now his dad was on the team that invented and was one of the heads of the team that invented Saran Wrap. Yeah, his dad invented plastic wrap. Every time you save something and put it in your fridge,

this guy's dad had something to do with that shit So that's very interesting when you lost the lid to the cool whip bowl and you're just like She did it he said how much how many picnics has this man saved the food of how many how much food is he saved? Yeah, and also it bulls lid got melted in the dishwasher. That's what are you gonna do? It's when it's twisted now now it's twisted Won't go down on this side over here it pops up if I push down over here He'll take it he's like hold on got you forever on this also helped invent fire retardant carpeting as well So I guess I didn't even realize that exists. It's all carpeting now.

Every carpeting is fire retardant, whereas it used to be. It's gotta have something, right? Yeah, it used to be just the most flammable thing in your house. Just boom, bursts into flames. It's just cotton. Yarn beneath your feet.

Or worse, by then they were using synthetic shit, so it would burn even better. Yeah, they were using nylon and shit like that. Jesus. Yeah, that's a big deal. His father had an MBA and a PhD in chemistry and. Smart son of a bitch. Used it, very smart.

But he's always wanting more money, more status, so that's why they move all the time, different jobs. His mom's a homemaker. She takes care of the kids at home. There's four kids, so three boys and a girl. And mom is, her name is Flavia, Flavia, F-L-A-V-I-A, Flavia. Now she sounds like she's ethnic,

like ooh, maybe his mom's like Spanish or something. Absolutely not, she is as blue blood, her lineage goes back to the actual Mayflower. That's how blue blood they are. That's wild shit. And she bragged about it. That her direct, she was direct descendant from heroes of the Revolutionary War. Now Haddon's grandfather on his father's side served as the elected mayor of White Plains, New York as well. Which is a good sized city, White Plains, just north of the Bronx.

It's a decent sized city right outside New York City. So. I just stayed there, it's beautiful. It's very nice in that area, very nice, expensive. It's an expensive area. Boy, oh boy. Hotels are crazy. Little pricey in that area to do anything.

Now both of the parents, Haddon Senior and Flavia, are super nasty alcoholics, by the way. Oh. That's a problem. And not alcoholics to the point where anyone outside of the house notices it. Oh. He goes to work, he does his work very well, comes home,

she goes to her society events, does all of her things. And ties it on when they get home. Then they lock the door, drink like fish, and fight with each other in front of the kids. Oh no. So yeah, and the kids are horrified by it, obviously. Sure. Now, here's the family, the way the kids go.

Brad is the oldest, Bradfield is his name. That's the first son. Bradfield. Bradfield goes by Brad. He's a year older than Haddon, born in 1950. Then Jeff, with a G, is, he's born in 1955, another brother. And then the last child is Allison, finally got a girl. She's born in 1959. So they had Brad, he was a boy, terrific.

They wanted Haddon to be a girl, especially mom Flavio Really really wanted hadn't to be a girl and was super pissed that he wasn't a girl And she has to do this again and then probably strike three was really bad really but he hadn't she will not accept that He's not a girl, which is weird. We'll talk about this really now Allison things are so fucked up in this house Allison will as a teenager will run away from the house Never talk to her family again. She just looked done for a teenager to leave and never fucking come back There's bad shit going on there for sure. She later on years later said quote. I never had a family. Oh That's her quote. This house is a mess.

And it has to be. A little bit about Haddon and his strange behavior as a child. He's got very strange behavior. He was late to walk, late to talk also. Oh, late bloomer. Late bloomer. And everything.

And all sorts of shit here. Now when he was very young, he rammed his brother with a bike. And we'll talk about that and give you a little more detail on that. Oh, totally on purpose. I mean, his brother's head bounced off the sidewalk, Jeffrey, bleeding profusely and everything like that.

His mother blames his strange behavior on the doctor using the forceps wrong when he was a baby and being born. And fucking fucked up his brain, squeezed his brain stupid. That's what she said So yeah, she would speculate that that had to be a brain injury from birth She would say it was a difficult delivery and the doctor had to use forceps to get him out and she even claimed also That this had to have resulted in an injury and left a long lasting impact and fucked up his judgment basically. His mother brought him to Yale University's Child Study Center at age four.

These are wealthy people with education and resources. We're going to get to the bottom of this and see if we can't fix it. The smartest people on the planet. Well, the smartest people on the planet completely misdiagnosed him as As having cerebral palsy, which he absolutely does not have okay, and perhaps a mild brain damage Which he probably which he probably does have but definitely doesn't have cerebral palsy And so that was a wasted trip to Yale there. Wasted trip to New Haven that day. So.

They give scholarships to the wrong kids. Jesus, kids doesn't have palsy. Look at him for Christ, what are you talking about? Walking all over the place. Yeah, Jesus. So the Clark family moves around Connecticut, New Jersey, and all over the place. Just around the Northeast where all this stuff

is going on here. Where all the work's at, yeah. Rarely staying at a place for more than a year, sometimes moving twice in a year. And the parents, they have a lot of money, obviously, but they have to move around and do all of that kind of thing. And if you know, if you've done that as a kid,

it's hard. It's hell, yeah. I did that a lot. I went to a lot of different schools and moved across the country and back. It's really hard to keep your footing and feel like you have any planted roots. Yeah, when you have money like that too,

like you're staying in nicer, and those kids are so fucking mean. Oh yeah. They're cruel, you know what I mean? They're openly cruel. And you're not part of their. Pick it away with it. Yeah. You're not. Your parents don't go to the country club with their parents for the

last 20 years and all that kind of shit. So are they as alcoholics, are they drinking like really good? You know what I mean? I don't know exactly. I assume it's why would they drink rock? Got if they. Yeah, they probably probably drink. And she's probably drinking good wine. He's drinking like a single malt.

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You have to constantly adjust to new surroundings, which will make you either quiet or will make you a comedian like me. So that's what happened there. Both ways, it's not good. Well, guess I figured out if I'm funny, that people will like me and I'll make friends easier. It's a lot easier to do.

So yeah, so they had to do that, a lot of moves, a lot of shipping around and everything like that. So you have to figure it out, figure it out and figure out how to do it. And he's not good at this stuff. And part of it is he doesn't really have a good base of him, like a good base of knowing who he is at home. At home, he's teased at school and at home, basically.

He's picked on everywhere, mainly by his parents. Really? Well, his father had a nickname for him that he called him all the time in front of him and just general. It was quote the retard. What? Zorica, where's the retard? He would say and that meant hadn't.

And he would say, Hey retard, come here. I, I get that this isn't nice, but this is what he would call his fucking son. So fucked up for me. Yeah. This is when he's like five, six, meaning like everybody in the house recognizes him as the, they all knew that was his nickname. We call, we call him Sonny. We call him spanky and that's the retard Like that's crazy

And the retard that's so fucked that's so fucking mean man and terrible. It's his father. It's his own father Yeah, you're not gonna have over yeah, like a friend coming over And dad comes home and goes, where's the retard? And they go, they're talking about me, or he's in his room with his friend. The friend's gonna know that your nickname is awful at home. And then what's gonna happen at school.

So, yeah, later on, while talking to a psychiatrist, this is horrifying, when he's an adult talking to a psychiatrist, he said that when he was growing up before he like knew What you like your official name was like on a birth certificate or something? He thought that retard was part of his name He thought that was he thought he was hadn't retard Irving Clarke Like he thought that was his name like the Bill Cosby joke can be all day. Yeah, my name is Jesus Christ That's what exactly

God damn it. Jesus Christ get in the cat. Yeah Wow, so that's what he thought He actually thought that that's fucked up now his mother gave him a different nickname for a completely different reason His mother upset that he was not a girl the accident no no no upset that he wasn't a girl and not having a girl until he's eight years old would dress him up in girls clothes and call him Kristen no you can't do that so like this kid has no idea who he is essentially yeah that's in his mind he has no idea his parents making him be so he thinks his name He's a retarded girl. Yeah, that's in his mind. He has no idea. That's what his parents are making him be.

Ah, Jesus. So he thinks his name is Haddon Retard Kristen Irving Clark. That's a lot of names. Ah, Jesus. And the parents, while they're doing this, while they're being horrible to him, abusive as shit, they're also, like I said, alcoholics who fight not only verbally but physically in front of the children as well. Nice.

So this is a mess. A goddamn mess. One classmate said that he remembered both Bradfield and Haddon, the brothers, were both mean and quick-tempered, and said that Haddon had a learning problem and a speech impediment and he attended a special school as well. Oh! Yeah. So he went attended a special school as well. Oh yeah. So he went to a special school from the time he was six to fifteen. So that's why his dad did this to him. Yes and then obviously he would you know he would think that of himself anyway and then rather than the dad going no no no it's just you know some people learn at different paces buddy you'll be fine his dad goes, hey retard, which is not gonna help this kid at all.

And he's the only one of the kids that's at this special school. And he's clearly slower than everybody else at learning. And just give him some fucking time you guys. And the kids in the neighborhood are gonna pick on him for that obviously. Forever, yeah, they're brutal. Yeah, this classmate said Haddon would get angry

and go into a corner and pout all the time. The kids didn't want to play with him. That's how he was. Another childhood friend of his said that he had a speech impediment and a quick temper and said that sometimes he couldn't control himself. If something didn't go his way, he'd get very upset. All the kids would walk away and wait for him to calm down.

He'd have a tantrum and they all knew to just, let's leave him alone basically. So the next door neighbor here, this is, they were the next door neighbor for a while until the Clark family moved to Rhode Island in 1962, called Haddon a meek child, mischievous at times, but I don't remember him as a problem child. No, because he's just beaten down. He's the one that everybody's beaten up on. He's not a problem child. No, because he's just beaten down.

Everybody's beaten up on. And not a problem child at that point. Well, all this is going on. His parents are active in all this outside activities. They're active in the Boy Scout troops. They go to PTA meetings. They're in the church group. They are members of civic organizations. All this nice stuff is going on on the surface. They look like the perfect family. And then you know what goes on behind closed doors. It's messed up. So the only thing that the father did with Haddon

that didn't involve insulting him or beating him up was they took him hunting. So he spent, that was the quality time they spent together was hunting. Firearms. Let's, yeah, let's teach this kid, but that could go either way. That could be something that he could be interested in and whatever, or you could just be teaching an angry person

how to be violent. That's the other thing. You're teaching him how to murder. You never know, or it could be good for him. Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand, I don't know, but people do it. I don't understand the bonding of that experience. That's fucking crazy.

That's because neither of us had that with our fathers, too. So we don't know. You didn't know your dad. My dad has never been a hunter. Yeah, he's never hunted anything. I get it. If that's your survival thing, if you're going to go out and eat all that, that's great.

Good for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't care. I'm not judging anybody. I don't give a shit. I don't know. Don't kill anything endangered, please That'd be nice trying to kill like any kid out and be like white rhinos or anything. Yeah, take this gun child

Yeah, yeah, it seems odd, but that's bizarre It depends on where he are too because some people like live in the woods and they yeah, I don't know So James you got to tame the the population that's out of control. They're gonna shit everywhere That's the problem. It's the shitting There's gonna be too much poop on the forest floor here. We got to clean this up can't even So the he was the elder hadn't was a big hunter and he taught Junior here how to trap animals so hadn't here Junior here had to trap animals. So Haddon here, the young Haddon Junior,

rather than keep just doing this on hunting trips, he would trap all sorts of shit in the backyard. See this guy, this kid isn't right in the head to be teaching him this stuff. So he would trap every little furry animal he could find, like rabbits and possums and squirrels and raccoons and anything here. So yeah, he would do this.

He would torture them until they died. Every once in a while he would let one live for some reason though, which nobody ever understood here. Yeah. One of them that he let live was a raccoon that he caught and he kept it as a pet. That's actually kind of cool. It's funny as shit. He trained it.

He trained it. I've seen this. This is amazing. He would ride his bicycle around with the raccoon clinging to his head and neck. What? Yeah, just hanging off his head and neck. It would hold on to him.

It would hold on to him, yeah. And so the kids thought it was like basically a live action Davey Crockett hat because that's back then, that was a popular thing the first Coonskin cat so he would he had a real one he also did bad things with these animals like dissecting them and Which is weird and unless you're in science class and if kids picked on him

He would catch their pets and decapitate them. No Yes, that's how he would go get them back. What pets was he catching? Cats, dogs. You can't catch dogs? Oh yeah. You can catch dogs? Fuck yeah, catch a little dog and kill it if you want to, I'm sure, if you're a sick

fuck. So obviously he's got mental problems. This is not normal. He's in and out of psych wards and special treatment facilities as a child as well. And the parents, this is a lot of money that's going out. They're paying for this. They're not putting them in some county facility in some padded room. They're sending them to some fancy psychiatrist and shit like that.

But his dad always had the money for it, so that wasn't a big deal here. His brother now, Brad, issues as well. Brad began doing drugs when he was about ten years old and was very aggressive. At one instance he got a hold of a gun and used it to shoot out the windows of the next door neighbor's vehicle and they said, why'd you do that? Why were you mad? And he said, I wasn't mad, just did it, quote, for the heck of it. I wanted to see the windows break. Just felt like window shattering would be fun.

Shot in his neighbor's car, wow. You find a car in the woods abandoned and you do that. That's how you do that. Every town has a car in the woods abandoned somewhere that you can shoot up. And really, you got things in the house, your mom made beans or something, take the cans. Take something.

Now, Brad Haddon, at one point, told his mother that his brother Brad had taken him up in a tree house and sexually assaulted him. Oh, shit. His brother denied it, and his mother just ignored it and acted like it didn't happen. Oh, boy. So, Brad was doing things to his brother here.

Haddon fails two grades in elementary school. His intelligence later on is found to be average to low average IQ wise and shit like that. Haddon's brother Jeff talks about, that's the younger brother, about four years younger. He talked about Haddon having a mean streak and they said he didn't even know where it came from and oftentimes Jeff was the target of the meanness

because people would pick on him, he can't get them back but he can get his little brother and make him hurt so he said something always seemed off about about Haddon here he said quote Haddon was always strange he was always different as a child he'd ignore people when they asked him a question sometimes or run away oh it's an odd reaction to that. How was school today? Okay, I guess never mind. I don't understand this.

I'm running. Um, it wasn't that he was being rude. The concept of rude wasn't there for him. It's like someone who doesn't taste sweet. If you give them a plate of strawberries, they're not going to taste them. Rude didn't occur to him. Never even thought about it. He just never thought about it. As he got older, a lot of his emotional development didn't move beyond being eight

or ten, which is true. We'll find out later. As a kid, he did a lot of impulsive things, but it didn't matter. As he got older, it began to matter. This is all a quote from Jeff that continues. There were a lot of times when I got hurt from something stupid he did. I have the scars. One time we were riding our bikes and we were trying to learn to ride one handed and I told him not to ride too close to me but he did. And when we were just learning so he didn't have that much control he swerved in front of me and I fell and hit my head.

Hadn't ran home, by the way, hit his head and split his head open bleeding all over the sidewalk unable to move. Hadn't ran home and when he saw my parents he said, don't worry, the bike's alright. That's what he said. So his concept of everything is way skewed and off. He doesn't get shit. So he- My parents used to say things like, if you hit my truck with your bike when you go buy it,

yeah, you'll heal the truck won't is what they would say. So they probably said that to him and that's why he probably said don't worry the bike's okay. Yeah I remember having my dad at one point having two cars and they were one was nicer than the other and he said that's death and this one is mega death don't hit that one because we were playing basketball, so all my friends knew don't hit the car with the ball or James's father will kill us So it was like everyone was terrified of him He said that in front of my friends when I was like 12 they were all like oh shit don't hit the cars goddamn So yeah, you get that in your head. But I said he just didn't have the care.

The one place, there's one place in the world where Haddon feels comfortable and safe. And that is at his grandparents' house. Yes, somehow his grandparents here, I don't know, they're decent people even though they've raised either one of these people, his parents are monsters. They raised somebody that's an alcoholic. Something.

So this was in Cape Cod, his parents lived. Oh, okay. Very nice, so he'd go there, his grandparents were always there, he visited them every summer, he'd come, he would fish. Sounds like a fucking dream, I'd love to do that. Down the Cape every summer? Down to the Cape every summer?

He's like, Tom Hankson splashed this fucking guy, I'm jealous. It's incredible. He would fish and do all the nature stuff, and he said these were the happiest days of his life, and Jeff said the days we spent there were the most wonderful time of Haddon's life they were for all of us. Yeah it would be I mean it'd be very hard to make the Cape an awful memory. I mean his grandparents

treat them great and it's just like it's a totally different life for them. Totally different life. So that's nice that now as a teenager, he is discovered to enjoy wearing adult women's clothing sometimes. Now he is much like Ed Wood. Ed Wood is a filmmaker. I don't know if everybody's heard of Ed Wood, but Ed Wood is known as the worst director of all time. He made Plan Nine from Outer Space,

which is considered one of the worst movies that's ever been made back in that era. Ed Wood, I know a lot about him, because he's from Poughkeepsie actually, worked at the Bardon Vaughan Theater when he was a kid and shit, but there's a good movie, the Tim Burton movie with Johnny Depp, as Ed Wood do.

It's very good, but I've read books and stuff about Ed Wood, and Ed Wood liked to wear women's clothing. He was an extremely straight guy, he was a World War II veteran, and he was a paratrooper for women's clothing. He was an extremely straight guy. He was a World War II veteran and he was a paratrooper for Christ's sake. I mean, fucking big balls on this guy. And he said that he was never scared of being killed. He was only scared of being injured

and having the medics find his bra and underwear. Under the fucking uniform? Yeah, he said that's all he was scared of, was that. That's what was terrifying him about being in the army. What a facet, I guess that makes all the sense. He's probably not the only one that's ever done that. No, no, no, absolutely not. This is a big thing like this.

There's a lot of, apparently a lot of men who like, that are like straight and that are not, they're not even like, you know, there's no transness or there's no, they just like wearing women's clothes. They like the feeling of bloomers. I don't know. So I don't know what that is.

And he once told his mother, I like my ladies clothing. Don't try and change me. Okay. So that hadn't. He hadn't said that to his mom when he was like 12. Okay. Don't try to change me. He's like burst into a Lady Gaga song after that

and they were like, I guess just let him wear the bra. Yeah, just let him wear it. So weeks after he got caught doing that, he was involved in a peeping Tom incident that resulted in police intervention, which isn't great. Apparently his father would try to change him in his saying that he said, I'm gonna change this boy by beating this out of him

with a belt. He would get had when he would come out of the bathtub naked, his father would rush in the room with a belt and start beating the shit out of him when he was like, just wet and drying off. Oh, God Jesus. Yeah, it's wild. So at 15, he was sent to a conventional school

away from the special school, just a regular high school, out of the special education school and immediately fell behind again and couldn't keep up. And it was a hard time. Okay, now, 1964, age 14. This is when he claims to have murdered his first victim. We don't know anything about this because it's very vague, but he said he murdered his first victim who was a boy, a child, and he says his father helped cover it up.

His father knew. Which kind of would make sense because his father wouldn't want that being public for himself. So but we don't know the details about that or anything about that. That's just something he mentions later. But when he was 16, a woman hired him to work in her yard. You know, the yard work found him in her hat in her house He's supposed to be out in the yard instead. He's in the house wearing her nightgown. Yep Yeah, that'll get you fired from the yard work pretty quick. Yeah That is interesting a year later his mom This was before at way well after the incidents of catching him wearing quote catching him wearing women's clothing

But his parents came across him wearing a nightgown and standing in front of a mirror Yeah, so his mother mentioned these incidents to the therapist he was seeing because this is the thing he's in therapy this entire time This isn't like oh, you know these parents don't know what to do and they just stick him in a room He's in therapy. He goes to see doctors all of this shit is You know these parents don't know what to do and they just stick him in a room. He's in therapy He goes to see doctors all of this shit is You know Documented documented. So the therapist recommend that she not confront him and just let him just leave him alone about it Okay, because it's you know, there's yeah the doctor knows too that it's not that's not like it's not it's not a trigger It's not a big deal. it doesn't matter, exactly.

Just leave them alone. I mean, there's many serial killers or people that do bad things that do that. There's probably a thousand that didn't. Oh, more than that, yeah, absolutely. I drink Pepsi, I bet they drink that too. Well, they always say, if this many drug addicts started out by smoking this

or smoking pot or drinking alcohol, I bet a hundred out of addicts started out by smoking this, or smoking pot, or drinking alcohol, I bet 100 out of 100 started out by drinking milk. Like, where do we stop going back and figuring it out? Yeah, they're probably, they were either breastfed or drank fuckin' formula. It's these fuckin' Gerber people. Those are the people you blame. Like, who are you gonna blame?

It's Big Gerber. Big Gerber. So, in 1972, he graduates from high school at 21 years old. Oh, that's embarrassing. Who's coming to the bar afterwards? Oh, just me? Okay, never mind. Just me and the mill workers? Okay. Ah, shit. That sucks. That sucks. He's a big guy too. He's 6'2". He's not like a,

he sounds like a little squirrely guy, but he's not. He's a big guy. He's a man. Not like a big heavy guy. He's kind of likey, but he's 6'2". He's a big guy.

So he likes cooking. That's what he likes. Hell yeah. So his family was absolutely fucking thrilled to find out he had an interest. They're like, you're interested in something? Apart from girls clothing or trapping and killing animals. Great.

A normal thing that's actually a career? Fucking terrific. They don't care if it's, oh, we want you to be a chemist or go to Yale. A job is great. Whatever. That is fucking weird. Something that you can have an open conversation about

at the church cookout I'm fine with it and he wants to be a cook which is That is also a profession where weird behavior things like that Completely ignored if you can keep up during rush. No one cares what you do I give a fuck what underwear you're wearing. Yeah, you can keep all those steak temps straight Yeah, while keeping up during a rush at from six to seven. I don't give a shit if you go out in the fucking parking lot, rip kittens heads off and drink their bloods from their body like a mug. Doesn't matter. Only wearing ruffled bloomers. No one cares.

Nobody cares. Yeah, and that is one of the biggest things in the in the in the like industry of restaurants is no one cares what the fuck you do if you can keep up in the kitchen. So he ends up there, they want to do everything they can to help him do this. So they use all of their resources and connections and everything else to get him a spot at the culinary Institute of America CIA, up the street from my house there, in High Park, New York. Now this is, by the way, the exact same time that Anthony Bourdain was here. Oh.

This is really weird. He has, like, I wish Anthony Bourdain was alive for a lot of reasons, but I really wanna know if he knew this guy, because he not only went to culinary school at the same school at the same time or within a year, but they also both worked in Provincetown and restaurants. There was a big like a pipeline between the culinary Institute and all of their while they were working there like summers while they were going to school and also like when

they graduated, a lot of them worked in Provincetown. Which is off Cape Cod it's a big kind of a big gay place yeah tip it's beautiful it's great it's a fucking party it's a huge party so that that's all tons of restaurants and that was a place that had big kitchens that would hire culinary Institute people a good place to get your feet wet and Anthony Bourdain worked there for years for a couple of years when he first started so So did this guy so they must have known each other because all these All of the cooks would all end up with the same bars after shifts because they all get off at the same time

So it's really interesting. So they get him into cia which is you know on a beautiful place a beautiful school and everything like that and Not only is he a decent cook he's fucking amazing at ice sculptures amazing incredible like really good it's got a portion of his brain that certainly works it's so weird yeah he's got definite things he's skilled at like so good they were saying holy shit you're gonna do really well because these fancy parties they all have ice sculptures then right now if you can do that you charge a fortune for those he said he holy shit, you're gonna do really well because these fancy parties, they all have ice sculptures.

Then if you can do that, you charge a fortune for those. They said he- You can bring the ice sculpture and then make a seven course hors d'oeuvres and fuck a dinner thing. You can make all kinds of cash. Crushed that shit. So apparently he was very skilled with a knife

and they said he could carve anything out of a block of ice, just anything he wanted. Graduates from the Culinary Institute of America in the spring of 1974. Gets lucky he graduated because he got in trouble a couple times. Number one for urinating into vats of mashed potatoes. In retaliation against slights

that he perceived against him. Because the students cook, the way the CIA works is students cook for the other students. So you're always either cooking for the other students or eating what the other students have cooked. So he was mad at the other students. So he pissed in the potatoes. He made pissy potatoes.

That's crazy because it's like, that'll send them out This is my special taste. This is my specialty pissy parsley potatoes. You're gonna love them You can taste that that's piss and parsley So asparagus potatoes, oh you can smell that that's asparagus asparagus, that's crazy. Oh, it's in there. Don't worry I don't even see any asparagus, that's crazy. Oh, it's in there, don't worry. So after graduation, he can't keep a job though for more than a few months,

because he is, to show up every day and do your job and leave, you have to have some form of stability, at least at work. He was hired by a few really nice restaurants too, because back then, if you were a CIA graduate, anybody would hire you in their kitchen. You know what I mean? There wasn't a lot of, it's not like now

where there's so many chefs and cooks and people. Back then, cooking was not a glamorous job. It wasn't a cool job. It wasn't anything like that at all. So he would always get fired though. And man, people weren't gonna deal with his shit. Basically, the way these employers put it is, he tried to act like he did with his family with them,

and they weren't putting up with his shit, basically. Here you show up, you do your job, you go home, shut the fuck up, whereas. Don't piss on the potatoes. Yeah, they weren't gonna deal with his bullshit. He tried to treat his supervisor and coworkers like he treated his family, and they would fire him basically. So much so that from 74 to about 1981 he held 14 different jobs. God damn. That's a lot. He got fired for doing weird shit like chugging beef blood in the

kitchen at one point. What? Just chugging it. they were like, okay. He's too weird. You're fired. Sorry people or something. What is that? I don't know if it's to keep him away His grandparents who he loves and who have always taken care of him his grandfather dies in 1975 Fuck and his grandfather was apparently taking care of his grandmother who was in poor health So his grandmother ends up going to a nursing home after that. So that whole thing is gone. His whole, his refuge of Cape Cod and his grandparents

that he could still go to at any point is now over with. So that's tough. He gets a job on a cruise ship as a chef. The peak of culinary importance, cruise ship cuisine. Making buffets for old people at that point in time. That's what that was. This is the- People in wheelchairs.

Yeah, making food that is friendly to dentures. Denture friendly fare. Very soft fare. Soft mushy shit. This is on the SS Norway. And that was after a while, that's all he could do was be a chef on a cruise ship because restaurants wouldn't hire him anymore essentially.

He would recall later that most of the other cooks were Korean and so and they didn't speak any English. Oh. So he was just talking to people in English and they would talk to him in Korean but the weird part is this worked out well for him because they didn't think he was weird because they didn't know what the fuck he was saying or doing. So they thought he was fine,

he didn't know what they were saying, everybody got along because they couldn't talk. Yeah, he stayed in this for almost a year. This is the longest he's ever had a job at once. After that, he ends up taking jobs at a couple different Long Island banquet halls. And he actually has a three week assignment at the 1980 Olympic Games in Lake Placid as well.

Awesome, yeah. I don't know if those athletes, maybe that was the thing that propelled our hockey team over Russia was urine potatoes. That's what did it. The power of this man's urine propelled them to the biggest upset in Olympic history. The pistachios.

These pistachios. So his mother and his father are gonna divorce in the early 80s, they're gonna get separated. Yeah, his father goes on to marry a much younger woman. Obviously, cause he's got money. He's got Saran Wrap money. He's got Saran Wrap money. He wraps her in Saran Wrap to keep her fresh.

So he, and his father completely ignored the kids after that even though they're all adults it was like oh well now I got I'm banging this young lady now So hadden by 1982 he's between jobs. He's having a hard time He ends up moving in with his mother who's living by herself at the time and she wanted to help him get his shit together and told him listen you can live here no rent all you need to do is do a few chores here or there but after a while they started to argue and things kind of got out of control at one point an argument escalates to the point where Haddon beats his mother up so bad she calls the cops so this resulted in him being brought up on assault charges,

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Soon He said I have to I have to get my life together here. By the way, this is crazy I'm sleeping in a fucking shed. I have no job You know, he's a skilled chef and stuff. I mean, he's literally a culinary Institute graduate He knows how to do things, but he can't keep it together long enough. He says, I know what I'll do here. He ends up joining the Navy. That's his fucking solution to this.

Now, couple of things. Back in the 70s, when he graduated from culinary institute, his first few jobs were in Provincetown, just like Anthony Bourdain was there. He says later on jobs were in Provincetown just like Anthony Bourdain was there He says later on that while in Provincetown will have more details later He said he killed several women in the sand dunes and buried them in the sand dunes really yes He said he He cut Wow he

Jesus Christ he cut this one woman up Because she bit him So he killed her He I guess he tried to rape the first woman, but after he murdered her, but it didn't work. He couldn't do it So he tried to be a necrophiliac and couldn't get do it here Another woman here. He claims that and we'll get do it here. Another woman here, he claims that, and we'll get more details later, he claimed he murdered her,

buried her nude under the sand dune, first removing her hands and wrists, and then cutting her fingers off and cutting them at the knuckles and using the pieces of finger as bait for surf fishing. Golly. That is insane. Yeah.

That's fucking wild. So he joins. If he caught anything. I'd never heard of economy. That was curious too. I got the biggest sailfish boy. It's beautiful. Love to know if that worked.

No, it didn't work. So he joins the Navy and he's he's a below deck cook. He's got cooking skills, that's what they're gonna have him do. He works on a nuclear aircraft at the time called the USS Carl Vinson. Yeah, the aircraft carrier, that's a big one. It's a big one, yeah, he's one of the cooks. He was assigned as a cook and his duties were basically the same as the cruise ship.

He's a ship and he's putting shit out there. So he's gonna try to make it go, but after a while he of course gets pissy with everything. He doesn't like being bossed around, he doesn't like the commanding officers telling him what to do, which is the whole point of the military. Like if you don't like people telling you what to do, the military is not for you. You gotta be able to deal with that shit. You gotta take orders, man.

He had some run-ins here after one of a little problem with some fellow sailors Some of his some of the fellow naval people Stuffed him in a leap in a meat locker for over three hours Made him stay in there That is pretty interesting here. He also he got transferred a couple times He was sent to a different ship the USS Theodore Roosevelt and things didn't get better there He at one point people who were mad at him waited for his shift to end then jumped him and His head was viciously smashed against the deck of the ship

multiple times. Now they asked... The infraction was just because they didn't like him? Well, they asked what the hell happened here, hadn't, and he said, quote, they were jealous of my cooking skills. So he beat him nearly to death because he cooked well. That's pretty ridiculous. It's more likely it's just he's a weird guy

and he does weird things and he doesn't know how to fucking talk to people. He'll also later say they found out that he wore women's underwear and they didn't like that about him to begin with. He was sent on, his stint on Iwo Jima was pretty brief as well, he goes there. He had apparently a break with reality at some point,

lost his mind. I mean he's had a break for a while. And was sent to a psychiatric hospital for an evaluation and was deemed unfit for duty. Right, yeah, cause he said something crazy and they were like, we can't do this. So they beat him half to death, that makes sense. So Jeff, his brother, said that a massive head injury

from this beating is kind of what caused, quote, his danger potential to become unleashed. This head injury fucked him up. He said this about his brother. Something in this beating changed him. Probably it was a combination of the actual beating of his head and some emotional stuff that happened afterwards. Instead of just being carelessly dangerous, he was then somehow able to justify his acts of violence.

Really? Yes, this is real weird. So June of 85, he's discharged from the Navy, diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. Oh. Yeah. And given a medical discharge. Yeah. He told them, he thought he had a split personality. He said, he doesn't like hurting people, but he sometimes does things that he wasn't aware that he did.

Well, he also said he heard voices tell him he couldn't trust anyone. And as a result, he only talked to himself. Whoa. Um, he's, he'd see things that weren't there. That's a problem and as a result he only talked to himself Whoa He's he'd see things that weren't there he'd hallucinate At times his speech would wander off into weird shit. He would say things that don't make any sense It's really weird. I he was given a 30% disability status at the time which gave him a small pension He was given a 30% disability status at the time, which gave him a small pension. They should have gave him more than that.

He can't hold a job, he's a wacky son of a bitch. So he's having a lot of, this little bit of money helps him, obviously. So he gets home, gets discharged, and he has nowhere really to go. So lucky for him, his brother Jeff is in the middle of a divorce, so he moves into Jeff's basement. This is on Sudley Spring Road in Silver Spring, Maryland.

He's not, by the way, Haddon will not take the medicine they prescribed him for his paranoid schizophrenia. He's not doing that at all. He just doesn't give a shit and won't do it. So Jeff here, he's got other problems as well. Jeff earned a degree in microbiology at Ohio State University. His brother Brad also had an advanced degree. Really?

Yeah, he married his childhood sweetheart. I mean, this is, he's living the American fucking John Cougar Mellon Camp song dream here and made their way to the Maryland suburbs and he got a job with the Food and Drug Administration. Really? They had a nice house, they have three kids, and then shit turns ugly and they get a divorce.

Jeff can't do it. Well, Marcia accuses Jeff of physically abusing her twice, and he was convicted on charges of that, getting a suspended sentence for domestic battery as well. Like childhood. You know, well, speaking of like childhood, let's talk about his other brother, Brad. Yeah, Bradfield.

What'd he do? Brad's a bad guy, real bad guy. What's he up to? Now, Brad's a successful guy. He's good at college and a job and all that kind of thing. He married a woman in 1977 and they got divorced by 79. Nice. In fact, that'll work.

It's about how long you should probably marry. About two years, you're like, well, this isn't working. Well, that's giving it a chance and it ain't working. Okay. Because there were people get married, get married and then get divorced in like a year. You're like, you don't even try. You don't even give it a chance.

Two years ago, that's enough. So he had moved to California by the early 80s. He started a good job at a computer firm then. He's doing great. He's starting to turn it all around. And then he met a woman on a work-related trip to Chicago named Carolyn Calavera. They had a little fling, and then Carolyn broke things off

in the summer of 84, and after that, Brad got weird. Really? This, I don't understand it. It was like seeing this girl for a little bit, seeing this woman, not even for that long, and when she didn't want anything to do with him anymore, he's a divorced man, like he's had relationships fall apart, but this one broke his ass, man. It fucking broke him.

Even his people at work noticed he got weird all of a sudden. And anyway, he ends up meeting another woman named Patricia Mack, or Mok, M-A-K, and she showed up at work there and Brad liked her. And she liked him. That's great. Problem is, she's married. Oh no. Which isn't good, obviously.

She's not for you, Bradfield. They, I guess, had a little affair, but then she chose to stick with her husband. Right. Which will happen. And, but she still ended up talking to Brad and being kind of they said they don't know if it was physical at that point but it was at least an emotional affair they were saying with Brad.

She stayed in contact with him even after she got a different job and left. So she didn't even have to see him every day. No, but she certainly wants that dick. She wants something. There's certainly a sexual tension there. Yeah, for sure. Why else are you keeping in touch with someone you had sex with unless there's something going on there?

Well, a reminder that maybe you could do it again. Something you never know. At least it's like a dick in a glass case at that point. Case of emergency, smash away. And he looks at it the same way. So there is one time here where Patricia's husband is out of town on business, and Brad invites Patricia over for dinner. So she accepts, why not?

I guess she's gonna come over, I mean. There's a lot of reasons why not. Yeah, well for her, why, let's do it. So Brad, I mean, has a real nice dinner, Yeah, well for her it's why why let's do it so Brad I mean has a real nice dinner wine and good food and you know all this type of thing By the end of the night, they're chilling at his swimming pool drinking drinks doing all this type of shit They start kissing they do all that they're getting and they're making out they go in the house Or you know, they're getting into it. Patricia's shirts off and everything like that.

And apparently, he starts going to work on her nipples, right? Just licking and stuff like that. He starts biting. Uh-oh. He starts biting hard. Oh, what? To the point where she said, hey, stop. That hurts.

Yeah. Too hard. So she said, you're going to leave Marks and my husband. where she said hey stop that hurts. Yeah, too hard So he but she was she said you're gonna leave marks and my husband's gonna see them, you know how that works But he kept doing it So she like slapped him like hey stop fighting, you know, I get that you're all into it But you gotta chill the fuck out. Thanks for the enthusiasm. But yeah, so Chill the fuck out. Thanks for the enthusiasm, but yeah, so Brad gets angry at being slapped and rather than stopping he bites the tip of her nipple off Oh my god, that's horrifying dude. That's horrifying. Yeah, he fucking bit her nipple off man. I don't even know

like She's in trouble now. Yeah, so she got away from him, but fell down crying in pain and bleeding, obviously. So apparently, a neighbor hears these screams, but doesn't know what's going on, so she doesn't call the cops. Oh.

I bet she wished she would have, or at least this Patricia woman wished she would've. So as Patricia tried to get away, Brad corners her in a room in his house and just beats her beyond recognition. Oh no. He beat her head so hard that he knocked her out, obviously, and that's when he was like, oh oh shit I've been beating this woman so hard

that he you know fucking shit I knocked her out. So he ends up grabbing his keys getting a pack of cigarettes and leaving. He takes off on foot apparently deciding to walk around because he's drunk. She is unconscious and bleeding on his floor. Right. So he walks and smokes and does all this type of shit and you'd think he's trying to calm down. That's the thing.

Instead, he must have been coming up with some crazy fucking plan because he gets back and instead of trying to save her and take her to the hospital he drags her still unconscious body to his bathroom and Cuts her right breast off of her body the one the one he bit the nipple off of Yes, then he took it left her unconscious on the floor. She still didn't come to oh my god She has so much brain damage. Yeah he totally fucking he beat her savagely and he's a big guy savagely beat her. He took, that's not the weird part though, he took her breast outside and put it on the grill and cooked it and ate it. What? He cooked. That was the idea. Her breast and ate it. From walking

and smoking smoking and walking. He's I got it I got it. I'm a little my I'm peckish. I could go for a bite crazy so That's wild. He then went inside He doused Patricia's crotch with rubbing alcohol and set it on fire. Oh This is fucking crazy. So he then got a butcher knife from the kitchen and absolutely carved her up with it. I mean, came in there and it's fucking horrifying. He cut off her arms, he cut off her legs,

he cut off her head and even cut her torso in half with very good precision by the way Yeah, you know what he was doing this he didn't do she died from the dismemberment. That's great from blood loss We don't know at what point she died like it's it's You know, she had a broken skull and was we'd have no clue went what exactly killed her But it is horrifying. He then stuffs everything into plastic bags and throws them out in a remote location, just trash bags. So that's that.

So the problem is when her husband gets home, he's pretty worried that his wife is missing. Yeah, where's my wife? She's a real stable lady with a steady job and everything like that, so one thing leads to another, gets home, he's pretty worried that his wife is missing. Yeah, where's my wife? She's a real stable lady with a steady job and everything like that. So one thing leads to another, and they, next thing you know, the cops are talking to Brad.

Yeah. They talk to her job, and they go, and her friends, and they know that she's been seeing this guy and all this type of shit. He lied. Said, she wasn't with me, I don't fucking know. So the cops leave, and then Brad starts to feel some remorse apparently So shortly after the police left

He had a mental breakdown and stabbed himself in the stomach in an attempt to commit suicide But he didn't bleed to death so he ended up calling an ambulance So then when he's at the hospital he confesses to the police about what he did. Remember how you came by earlier asking about her? Well, yeah. So that is pretty fucking interesting here. Brad is put on trial for first degree murder and he cooperates and confesses and he gets 15 years to life for the murder.

By the way, he's eligible for parole in 2002. At that point, we'll talk about how that worked out. Okay. So back to Haddon. But that's Brad at this point. So while Haddon is losing his fucking mind doing weird shit, his brother has gone completely off the deep end into cannibalism. Really fucking his life up.

What happened in that house to cause this? Like to cause, with the parents, to cause this shit. I hope Allison's okay. Wow, she is, she took off and said I never had a family. She just made her own life. Fuck these people. She's the only one who got out unscathed, I feel like. So October, 1985,

this is a young nine year old girl named Sarah prior that hadn't hadn't kills this young girl. She was, she vanished after going for a walk on route 26 in Wayland at 4 PM. The priors were new in town, just moved in from Boston, from near Boston, and she just disappeared into thin air, her father said. Don't have any idea what happened. They said that they got in touch

with the police department there. She had disappeared in Wayland. They said, quote, at approximately 4 p.m. that day, Sarah Pryor told her father she was going for a walk in Wayland. They said, quote, at approximately 4 p.m. that day, Sarah Pryor told her father she was going for a walk in the neighborhood. We know that she walked north on Concord Road for approximately one and a half miles. She was seen by several individuals

at places along the route. At some point, don't know exactly where, it's our belief that she was abducted, but we have no crime scene, no witnesses, no physical evidence. We do not know what happened to this child, that's what the police report said. They called her your basic average happy-go-lucky

nine-year-old girl, shy around strangers, family-oriented, athletic, does well in school. Later on, when she's missing, there's a message on the Berlin Wall about her. What? People would write messages on the Berlin Wall before they took it down. And one of the messages was about her.

Yeah, it said, where is this here? Yeah, they wrote a thing about her disappearance and all that kind of thing. Her father said, I was at home on the day. She was abducted She had made herself a dish of jello. She watched a TV show and finished eating the dish of jello Then she said she was gonna go out for a walk. I said aren't you gonna clean the dish of jello? She said she clean it when she got back. She walked out the front door. I never saw her again It's wild shit

Wow. It's wild shit. They said they've kept her room just the same as it was. They said we expect the worst and pray for the best. And the cop said that they are, I work on this case every day, made a promise to the parents I'll never stop working on it. He also said none of us could believe something this terrible could happen in our community. It was unthinkable. Now people think about it all the time.

It certainly brought right up close that we are not safe here either. Yeah, that's right. Safe anywhere. So I guess Sarah was starting to feel comfortable, they said. So she was going on walks like exploring because they had just moved there. Her mom said Sarah was shy and I was teaching her to be more trusting of other people. Going for a walk was a big deal for her She was proud to go explore the last thing she said to my husband was I'm going to go further today than I've ever gone before

That's a difference between the 80s. Yeah in the 80s a nine-year-old girl would say that and you go, okay, bye Now they'd be like no you're fucking not Not without me. You're not going anywhere farther than you've gone before. Are you crazy? So after the girl disappeared, the parents' marriage dissolved, and it turned into a big mess, obviously. It's tough.

So they said, tips have led police to search parts of Boston, Baltimore, Rhode Island, and Cape Cod for sides of Sarah. All have turned out to be either psychic speculation Cruel frauds or sightings of girls who look like Sarah So they said the parents said they stopped getting their hopes up after a while The mother said she holds out no hope that Sarah's alive, but she hopes the killer will be caught She says the mother says she's certain of she knows who did it

She says the mother says she's certain of she knows who did it Oh a convicted murderer in Texas named John wordy She said that's who's responsible for Sarah's death Why him Wayland police chief? Gerald Galvin who was headed the investigation in Wayland from the start said that wordy this guy a 50 year old was in the area the day Sarah disappeared Wordy, this guy, a 50-year-old, was in the area the day Sarah disappeared. Witnesses reported seeing a car similar to Wordy stopped at various points along Concord Road on the afternoon of October 9, 1985, and police believe that he had returned to Massachusetts in 1994 after being released early from his prison sentence for strangling

a Texas teenager. Six weeks after Sarah disappeared, Wordy tried to force a Newton woman into his car at knife point, but the woman escaped. So Wordy was sentenced to seven to 12 years in Massachusetts prison. After his release, he went back to Texas for violating the conditions of his murder parole and he was put back in prison. Now they questioned him and he told the police I have nothing to do with that Sarah Pryor shit I don't even know anything about it so no didn't happen and he's he wasn't lying it's not him

but they they I mean in the paper the mother's like he fucking killed my daughter period and it wasn't him Pryor's, that family, the Pryor's family, said that the Wayland police received anonymous letters that year on December 16 and 17 that said Sarah's body could be found in a well near six cottages protected by a row of pine trees. They were typewritten letters postmarked from Boston, said the well was in Rhode Island Island about 10 miles from the Massachusetts border

They said that Rhode Island police failed to turn up any trace of Sarah though They said the fact that they have not found the body is encouraging. Well, not really because she's really not That's not great Yeah, a lot of these people were psychic sending letters too, which is getting hopes up and shit. They offer a reward, a $30,000 reward is offered for information to get Sarah back. They said, we know that a nine year old little girl cannot have disappeared without someone knowing what happened to her.

That's a fact. I can tell you what she's not doing is she didn't go get a job somewhere because she doesn't like it here. She didn't just fucking take off and start college. We're really encouraged that we haven't found the body yet. She's probably off being successful somewhere. Yeah, I'm sure she started her own business and she's just, you know,

when you first start your business, it takes a long time to get it off the ground. She's been working hard. You'll hear about her soon when they write articles about her successful cupcake business in Miami. Nine and a half. She's doing great. In Miami.

So early 1986, Haddon is arrested for shoplifting women's underwear. Okay. So we all knew he did that. He's getting brand new ones, huh? He wears the women's underwear under his pants. That's what he wears all the time. That's what he likes.

During all of this Haddon Sr. who had been suffering from pancreatic cancer commits suicide. He kills himself. That's the move. A pancreatic cancer's a tough one. And I don't know, his son is, one son is a fucking cannibal.

Got found out for cannibalism and murder. His other son is a fucking cannibal yeah got found out for cannibalism and murder his other son is a fucking nutcase I think this guy is just like okay his daughter left ran away never came back I think it's just I'm done he probably felt like the pancreatic is penance for what he's given the society something he should anyway yeah so May of, Jeff and Haddon, they're living together. Haddon has got himself a cooking job at a local country club and, you know, he's got some money saved up. He's got a pension check coming in too. So he's can, he pays his brother $500 in rent, which is a lot actually,

for a basement in the eighties. But he liked hanging out with his brother and his brother needed the money So that's kind of his brother's going through a hard times a hard time. He just got divorced he lost custody of his kids and Haden would help out by occasionally picking up the children for visits if Jeff was at work or something So Jeff liked the extra money. He liked having help with the kids around the house So they seem to get closer. And especially after Brad ends up doing all this crazy shit and eating a woman, that brings

them closer, which is interesting. And then their father kills himself and that also brings them closer. So the Clark brothers found solace with each other basically here. Soden for once was a source of comfort for somebody like Jeff liked having him around Hadden went to his father's funeral came dressed in his Navy uniform Even though he was obviously I was gonna say you got kicked out for being insane This is not a point of pride this but disappointment. That's probably probably didn't have a suit think about it's probably his best So that's it's only dress is his dress white. Yeah shit is I look I mean it looks sharp anyway, so it's still fit it

That's pretty good good shit. Yeah, he's always pretty thin So I think he could never even when he's older so it seemed like he's trying at this point even when he's older. So it seemed like he's trying at this point. He would do well with Jeff's kids when they came, and Jeff said it was because Hadden's kind of a big kid himself. Said he never really matured past a certain age, so maybe that's the deal here.

He said it this way. Jeff described him, quote, here was this six foot two tall inch man who was their emotional age. He was a playmate, but a playmate who could drive a truck to the park and choose the biggest swing. Yeah. Hadden was a playmate who had money to buy them candy and who taught them how to

kill skin butcher and cook rabbits he raised in our backyard pen. He was an adult with the social skills of an eight to 10 year old child. So they started arguing over money though. And also Jeff started arguing with him about how close he was with the kids. You're hanging out with the kids too much. There is even, at some point here, Jeff decides that he, well not decides,

he saw and says later that he saw Hadden fondling himself in front of the children He was like that's about enough of that now Jeff at the same time gets engaged to another woman Yeah, and so he kicks had now in May of 1986 like listen I got a chick coming in here and you're jerking it in front of the kids. You gotta go I mean mostly that second part mostly the second part, but she doesn't want anyone jerking it around my kids either so. Yeah. So he moved out he finds a cheaper room on the other side of town for $150 a month but he's pissed he's pissed he got kicked out he's not happy. Now you'd think that he

would just go yeah he's got a new woman coming in he's gonna get married not gonna have my weirdo brother living here too and are during the honeymoon but not him and then a week after that this is fucking wild I got a week before he got kicked out he was mad at his six-year-old niece anyway Eliza who quote who called him a retard oh here we go a six-year-old called him retard and he he wanted to kill her after that, he said for that remark. Yeah. Because you're six.

He can't kill his father. I'm an adult. And I can't kill my dad, so guess what? I can't get my dad, you're six, and think you're mentally superior to me. You're going to die. That's fucking bad. So he is kicked out here. And he's fucking bad. So he is kicked out here and he's having problems. This is May 31st, 1986.

He's standing outside Jeff's home and it's hot outside and he's standing out there being pissy and I guess he said he's there to give, to get his stuff. He had more stuff there. Now everyone was out all the everyone in the house was gone so you know there's that and anyway he's at the house he's waiting to pick up a box of his shit and he as he starts going toward the house a little girl walks up oh god a six-year-old little girl named Michelle door dorr and he knew her he knew her from he like he goes

Oh, what's this kid's name? I know this kid She is just a little cute little girl freckles and you know, she's Eliza's friend his little niece and his dad or this little girl's dad lives on the street lives two doors away and You know that that's and he's there on the weekends. So this girl's there on the weekends, hangs out with his niece on the weekends. So she's wearing a pink ruffled swimsuit, she's wet,

she was playing in the little backyard pool, the little plastic pool. Her home life isn't great either. Her mother or her father would slap around the mother in front of her at times, Her home life isn't great either. Her mother, her father would slap around the mother in front of her at times. And so she has like a little bit of a stutter and has like some emotional problems

from all this crazy stuff that's going on at home. Her mother said later on, she had seen too much for a six year old. So back to this current day, she, the little girl asked, where's Eliza? And you know, Haddon said to himself, oh, I can get revenge on little Eliza here for calling me a name. Yeah.

So, he says, she's in the house upstairs in her room playing with dolls. You can go in if you want. Oh, boy. So Michelle walked up the house, went up the steps and when she was out of sight, he went into the back of his tool in his truck and got his toolbox. Now in there, he had his toolbox, had his chef shit in it. In there, he had his knife roll. And so he takes his knife roll and he selects a 12 inch long chef's knife and walks in the house.

Follows this little girl into Eliza's room, throws her to the floor. She didn't even know it was going, it happened so fast she didn't even scream. She didn't even know it was happening. It happened so fast she didn't even scream. She didn't even know it was happening. He threw her to the floor and slashed her with a backhand slash from left to right across her chest and the second one went back the other way.

It looked, she had basically had a Z on her chest. Yeah. She, yeah, no it was like a Z the way he did it. Came back. Slash, slash, slash. It looked like a Z the way he did it, because it came back. Slash, slash, slash, okay. It looked like the Zorro sign, basically. He then, she is in shock, falls down, he covers up her mouth,

and he stabs the 12 inch knife through her throat. What the fuck? Obviously, the blood goes everywhere. It's an old house with some sloped floors, so blood is going fucking everywhere in the room. He didn't know what to do. He didn't know whether to mop up the blood and cover this up, or maybe in his mind,

he should try to have sex with her now that she's dead. Oh my God. He tried that and he couldn't do it. So then he went downstairs, got some plastic trash bags. Did I say that? Yes I did. I didn't say trash to flash bags. Ran out to his truck, got some rags

and in his Navy duffel bag, went back upstairs, stuffed her into a plastic bag, then put this body into a duffel bag. Then he mopped up the floor, like wax on, wax off off on that kind of shit. He said he did it like, like on an aircraft carrier, the way you'd swab the deck there. Everything had blood on it and everything you could find with blood on it. He was sticking into trash bags. He cleaned up, you know, to the naked eye, pretty decent. He threw the

bags and the body with the, in the bag in the back of his truck And then he raced off to get to his chef's job about 20 minutes away Because he couldn't be late. So People are obviously looking for Michelle clearly. Yeah, she's a six-year-old girl. So this girl's father Carl Carl door He's looking he looked into the backyard several times, he didn't see Michelle. He said that his father, he said that she just vanished after he had filled the waiting pool for her in the backyard and then went inside to watch the Indianapolis 500 on TV. What year was that? 1986.

Wow. So he said he had last seen her a little after two o'clock when she came inside for a towel So he said he wasn't worried at the time though because this is a safe street and it's you know Nothing exciting ever happens here. It's fine. It's gonna be easy. He said my daughter's probably down the street playing That's what he thought with Eliza, which is her friend So that's what he said. Eliza which is her friend so that's what he said he goes I looked out there I didn't see her but I figured she went down the street with with Eliza so he just said whatever and started paying a few bills while watching the Indy 500 she's six dude you don't just go I don't

know where my six-year-old is but I'm sure she'll turn up like what the fuck finally about 530 I said five it's a three and a half hours he just let this long race it's he waited till the fucking checkered flag dude he had to see fucking Al Unzer jr. will take the whole thing he had to sit the only name I could One of those fucking guys. So he- There's only like six fucking famous ones. I know, I don't remember from fucking Indy cars

from back then. So he, by that time, it's 5.30, he walks down to Jeff Clark's house to see if his daughter's with Eliza. He finds Jeff in the backyard barbecuing. Really? Yeah His kids are there Jeff's kids are there his new girlfriends there Eliza's there. No Michelle though So Jeff says I haven't seen Michelle all day I got home and I've been barbecuing I have no idea and so they ask Eliza Eliza says I haven't seen her all day

Either she didn't come down here to play with me And so they ask Eliza. Eliza says, I haven't seen her all day either. She didn't come down here to play with me. So Carl was like, what the fuck? So Carl walks around, he walks down to the street, doesn't find anything, starts knocking on doors. Have you seen my daughter? Is she over here?

Is she talking to you? She has no idea, he doesn't know what to do. So he starts panicking, drives around the neighborhood, and then heads over to the police station, reports are missing. When he does that, he becomes their prime suspect. Oh my God, really? Absolutely.

A strange father living off here, he's watching her, she disappears, it doesn't look good. So they said that the cop said that when a child disappears, you look at the parents or the caregiver first, especially if in a divorce situation, it's even more. They said it's usually, it's 90% chance that it's either the parents or the caregiver first, especially if in a divorce situation it's even more. They said it's usually, it's 90% chance

that it's either the parents or the caregiver that did something to the child. That's just statistics. Is that right? The detective here, Mike Garvey, who was the first cop to speak with Carl Doerr, said it's page one in the handbook. He said the more he looked like,

the more Carl was there, the more he looked like the guy. was there the more he looked like a bad like the guy They said he had threatened his wife. He said that he would abduct their daughter just three months before threatening the wife Oh, but he regrets those words. They've been battling in a custody battle for years Carl was the last to see him alive and they asked him to take a polygraph test the polygraph examiner told them Carl might know more about Michelle's Whereabouts than he was telling them and the cops said that's our fucking guys our guy. Yeah. Yep Carl said quote it was good cop bad cop

They were right in my face telling me I'd failed the polygraph exam and that it had been 24 hours And they knew she was dead. We were going to find her they said and when we do we're coming to get you So Carl scared shitless 24 hours and they knew she was dead. We were going to find her, they said, and when we do, we're coming to get you. Wow. So Carl scared shitless. Also, this girl's, Michelle's mother told the cops she thinks Carl did it. Really? So I mean, they're just all on board Carl.

They're not even looking at anybody else. She gave them an extra motive. She said her estranged husband was trying to get out of paying her $400 a month in child support as well So that would help so he told the cops he loved his daughter. They said no you don't He took a second lie detector test with a different examiner and passed it okay, so then he underwent hypnosis Even to try to prove his innocence he took sodium pentothal truth serum quote quote unquote.

And none of this convinced the cops, even though under hypnosis, truth serum, and lie detector he said he didn't do it. So yeah, this is not great. They said, nope, it's him, he snapped, he did this. And yeah, and apparently in a psychotic episode, he told a psychiatrist that he had abducted and killed his daughter.

Really? He didn't. Why would he tell them that? He said, quote, I started hallucinating, I couldn't take the pressure, my brain was soup. When they talk about false confessions, they happen so fucking often, and this is why. People's, we sit in our living rooms and watch the shit, about false confessions they happen so fucking often and this is why people's

we sit in our living rooms and watch the shit and you know in in the best possible conditions with your drink of choice next to you eating a fucking snack on your 80 inch fucking LCD TV this asshole like why would you say that but when you are in a police station for 24 hours and there you're taking fucking every day, this is your day and your kid's missing and you don't know what's going on. And they're making you take drugs and hypnosis and all. You might just snap that'll happen. And you might start to believe them when they say we can help you.

We can get you home. Yeah. Whatever the fuck. Yeah. And exactly. And he, and we know for a thousand thousand percent fact this man did not kill his daughter He didn't do absolutely didn't do it fucking You know hadn't has the details. He knows where the body is. He fucking did it. But this poor guy

He said that his mental state he started to believe that people on television shows were talking about him He snapped dude his brain broke his brain fucking broke He snapped dude his brain broke his brain fucking broke He said that he looked behind the TV set and when he didn't see anything He thought the police were fucking up the TV reception. Oh, yeah, that's how fucking crazy is Yeah, the next day Karl got into his car drove to his father's grave and began talking to his headstone thinking the headstone was speaking back. Oh boy, he's having a break. Yeah. He said, quote, I believed that if I could find Michelle, I could bring her back to life. And if I was able to do that,

then I must be Jesus. He's not wrong. He went from watching him. He went from watching an Indy car race to three days later believing that he may be Jesus and he's gonna bring his dead daughter back from the grave he also because he said that he could do that he began calling himself the white Messiah okay I'll watch if you can bring the little girl back, I'm listening. Hey, I'll watch. If you can do it.

Yeah. So anyway, the cops took this all as a confession, basically. So they bring him in again and again and again and again. He's eventually committed to a psychiatric hospital for 72 hours of psychiatric observation, because he's acting so crazy. Soon as he got out, they questioned him again. Now, he's just basically, the thing he did though, he was ashamed that he had neglected his daughter,

because he knew that he should have kept a better eye on her, so he fudged the timeline. That's why Haddon is never considered a suspect. You can't do that. He told the cops it was around 2 10 p.m. that she left rather than a little before two. That 15 minutes gives Haddon a perfect alibi because he was at work after that.

So if he said the truth, then Haddon would have been a suspect because they talked to Haddon, they talked to all the neighbors, but he wasn't a suspect because- Because the timeline didn. They talked to all the neighbors, but he wasn't a suspect because the timeline didn't fit the timeline. Yeah. He finished his. So back meanwhile, while all this is going on, Haddon finishes up his shift at the country club and begins driving with Michelle's body in his pickup truck.

Yeah. In the back. He's got the cap on it. So I mean, he can't see it. They got a stoplight or anything. He stopped off at the nearby Bethesda Naval Hospital to get the hand on his cut, cut on his hand fixed up. That's part of his benefits package when he was discharged from the Navy. He leaves the hospital about midnight drives toward Baltimore on old Columbia Pike. He saw some woods pulled over to the shoulder of the road and stopped. So he said if the cops came by, he was ready to tell them that he just was trying to piss and he couldn't wait so he had to pee right there. He grabbed the duffel bag, flashlight and a shovel from the

back of his truck and over the guard rail. Just tell him he's making potatoes. Just say I'm doing stuff down here. Making pissy potatoes. Anybody need some pissy potatoes? So he goes into a ravine into the woods. At the base of a tree, he dug a grave four feet long, digging until he hit clay. Basically couldn't dig anymore. Took the little girl from the duffel bag and put her in there.

But before he finished, he had one more thing to do. He ate a piece of her. He had to taste it. I don't know what about this family causes two people to not only think I'll kill somebody but I should probably see what they taste like also. Who the fuck thinks of that? We've covered a lot of murderers. Most of them don't think I should probably get a taste.

Yeah, that's wild, man. That is fucked up. So he covered her with parts of an old mattress he found nearby and some leaves and then fucking went back to his place. That was it, went back to his rented room. June 8th, 1986, now this is nine days later, a detective, Wayne Farrell, is cruising around

the neighborhood on Sudbury Road, where this all happened. He was trying to figure out anything here, and he found Haddon in the driveway of his brother's house fucking with his truck engine. The cop said, were you here yesterday? And he said, ah, after about two or three minutes so this guy This detective later on told another detective about this encounter that there was a guy on the street for about three minutes

He said that he had checked around and that Hayden or hadn't Clark seemed to be the neighborhood weirdo Yeah So this guy is this detective's boss said go ahead and bring him in for a fucking chit chat here. So they do they call in they call Jeff and Jeff calls Haddon because they didn't know how to get hold of Haddon. Haddon goes to the police precinct the next morning. He's supposed to. He was on time, but they let him chill in there for a little bit and do all of that. He said he punched the client time clock at the country club where he worked at 246 that afternoon. And they did some figuring. They said, well, if Carl saw his daughter at 210,

then Haddon Clark couldn't have found, abducted, and killed someone, then hit a body within 36 minutes. That's impossible. And drove 20 minutes to work. Right, you gotta have a plan to do that. Yeah, they said they weren't about to you know they said they weren't allowed about they were gonna question him But they thought that you know He was alibis probably pretty solid they were went at him a little bit soft They asked him about the rabbits he had raised behind his brother's house and his life and all that kind of shit

they started asking him about the kids in the neighborhood and Hadn't complained that one little boys had kick quote kicked him in the Testicles while he was playing with a group Hey, why are you playing with a group of kids B? You have six-year-olds kicking you in the balls and calling you a retard That's a weird day What a fucking day. Why do you set yourself up to have that day? Yeah, so he said he didn't like that kid. Yeah He also said he once playfully pinned a little girl to the ground

There is no playful way that an adult man pins a little girl to the ground not your own you don't do that No, not a relative Yeah, not your own and not laughing and having horseplay and the Parents present if it's not yours. Yeah yeah yeah yeah still even then no good. Yeah that could be precarious also. No good so they said to him is that what you did with Michelle and they pulled out a little a picture of her and they said he began rocking back and forth in his chair and he began crying and not looking at the photo. Oh, that's not good. Which is not good.

That's not good. That's the worst response to this picture that you could have. It's the worst thing you could do. Not, oh yeah, I've seen that kid. That's the right response. Yeah, that's the one. Rocking and crying is psychotic. And refusing to look at the picture.

Again, bad. So they said again, is that what you did with Michelle? And he mumbled an answer Mumbled an answer and then out of nowhere. He says I feel sick. Do you have a bathroom? And he ran into the police station Bathroom and began vomiting loudly into the toilet with the cops standing right behind him watching him like holy shit. That's the That's the craziest response to a fucking photo. We've ever seen. That's a cute kid. You shouldn't be throwing up. This is, yeah, wow, Jesus Christ. This guy hates kids.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. So then he's throwing up and they're yelling at him. What did you do? The parents need to know. Tell me what happened. They need to bury their child. Was it an accident? Let's talk about it. And he was throwing up. So they, what they did is as he continued to throw up, they slid a photo of Michelle under the stall door. Oh, God, Jesus. Do you need more fuel for that vomit? And said, what did you do? Yeah.

Between heaves, he said, quote, I don't know. I may have done something. Sometimes I black out and do things I don't remember. Oh boy, that's a terrible answer. All of these are the worst answers you could possibly give. have done something sometimes I black out and do things I don't remember all of these are the worst answers you could possibly give but he then said again he said but I was there at 246 I checked into work at 246 and the detective checked his notes he had called the country club he checked in it too if he fucking punched in at 246 so they they were like, he may be crazy, he may be a weirdo, but he's not a time traveler.

So there's no fucking way he could do this. He's a punctual weirdo. Yeah, he's a punctual weirdo. But they said there's no way the timeframe works. So they don't know why he's reacting like this, but who the fuck knows? Karl Dorr gave him an alibi, essentially. God damn it.

So this crime won't be solved now. They can't ever pin it on the father. They didn't do anything with Hadden, so it just goes cold as shit. So for the next few years, Hadden's mental state just goes to shit. It's not good. Oh man, it's really bad.

He stopped renting his room for $150 a month, even though he could very easily afford it, and starts living in the back of his pickup truck under the cat. Then he would often set up camp in the woods just off the interstate. Yeah, nobody would hire him as a chef, probably because he has like woodland animals in his beard and shit like that. He would hire him as a chef, probably because he has woodland animals in his beard and shit like that. Because he smells funny. Burs stuck to his clothes are like, I don't think so. So he would-

He has pine needles in his face. He's working odd jobs as a gardener and things like that. He would work at fast food places. He'd do whatever just to, he doesn't need money. He doesn't spend it on anything. So November of 1987, he is stopped for speeding in Montgomery County, Maryland. That's over 10 miles an hour over the limit.

And then March of 88, he stopped again for speeding in Montgomery County, same thing again. He needs ticket money, that's all he needs here. So he tried to get help a few times. One time he showed up at a veteran's hospital and then stayed a few days, got few doses of howl doll and then Took off and went back to the woods so a doctor's diagnosis was this quote his mental state is psychosis with

Questionable etiology his he states that birds and squirrels talk to him and keep him company He's tearful at times with intermittent outbursts of anger and agitation. He's a potential danger to himself through poor judgment and self-defeating behavior. And he told the doctor, I think I have a split personality. I don't like to hurt people, but I do things I'm not aware of. Yeah. And you're a psycho Cinderella. This is fucking horrific. Wild shit. So he ends up, he's boarding in 1988. He is staying at the house of an older couple. Yeah. But they asked him to leave because their daughter had to move into the house and wanted

to use that room. Uh-oh. When he left, he stole tools, records, and some rare books. And also, he wrapped fish heads in plastic and hid them around the house. Oh, he fished them. He shrimped them, as the Al Madrigal joke goes. He shrimped them.

He shrimped them. Shrimped them up good. Yep, that is a horrible thing. Yeah, there's, this place I worked, they pulled a prank on this one kid, man, I felt so bad for him. He had no, it was Phoenix in the summer Yeah, and he didn't have air conditioning. Yeah. He was driving a Saturn with no air conditioning

And they put a fucking fish Under his front seat when it's like when he got to work in the morning Yeah, and he worked, you know nine ten hours of a hundred and 115 degree day and then opened the door. And you can imagine how overwhelming that was. He couldn't find it for a while. Oh no, they left it in there? Oh yeah, yeah, and then finally found it. He couldn't find it, so he drove home

and then finally found it and then the car never would, you could never get that out of the car. It was there forever, it was hard. The company I worked at, they had to retire a truck that they did that to me with a Tilapia under the front seat. It'll do it. On a Memorial Day weekend.

Oh my God. With the windows up. And I threw up, I opened the door and threw up. He did too I think. And they had to retire the truck. It was useless, you can't kick it in. At least that was a work truck where they just gave you another one.

This poor bastard, he drove a Saturn with no air conditioning, which is not a choice. That is the best he could get. And now he has a Saturn with no air conditioning that reeks of fish. They sent it out to detail it, and then it came back and it smells worse. It's so, yeah.

You just angered the hive at that point. It's made it worse. It's a dead animal, man, and it just smells like death, and it never goes away. Nope. Late one night, he hanged their cat and left it on the doorstep. Dude, after it's already over, like, he fished him, he shrimped him, and then he left pain back

and hung the cat. That's not all either. We'll get back into more of what he fished him. He shrimp. Yeah, and then he did this back and and and hung the cat That's not all either. We'll get back into more Terrorizing these people with the worst things he later told the detective I knew that would get to him I knew that would hurt him, you know ruining their house, so September 88 his mother confronts him for stealing items from her home in Rhode Island He visited his mom and during his stay he started stealing shit. She caught him and screamed at him She said what are you doing stealing from me? He knocked her down and started to kick her

Then he got in his truck and tried to run her over she dove out of the way just in time to not get run over by his truck So she dressed presses charges of assault and battery and he gets one year of probation. She writes him a letter saying that he is dead to her and that she does not love him anymore, which is just what he needs. She said she was going to pretend he was dead until he got some help from a veteran's hospital. She said, always remember that your mother and father loved you. She wrote the word loved in past tense several times.

December 25th, Christmas Day, 1988, he's pulled over for speeding in Montgomery County and they find an unregistered loaded 38 caliber handgun in his possession. He got a suspended sentence and probation for that. Back to the people's house that he put the fish heads on here His landlord said there he seemed crazy and evil And he booby-trapped the house. Oh, this is a complete. Yeah

This is the same one in addition to the fish head and the stealing and the the fucking cat He also balanced a 10 gallon can of oil on top of the door so that it would spill when it was pushed open like a cartoon. Yeah. And after black and he sprayed black dye all over the living room carpet and hid the fish heads inside the family's piano, the chimney, the stove, all places you wouldn't want to know. Holy shit, they said the chimney, he's going to places you wouldn't want. Holy shit, they said the- In the chimney, he's gonna smoke a fish head too.

Yeah, well that is the only one that fucking probably'll get the smell of the way. That one probably smells nice. Yeah, you put a little pepper on it, a little garlic, that could smell okay. The charging document read, the smell of decaying fish permeated the house and was extremely difficult to eradicate.

His former landlord said his lifestyle is getting even and then said we feel scared after that. He told us about getting even with other people so they were still scared. He pleaded guilty as part of a deal which dropped the unlicensed loaded handgun offense. No jail time is served and he has a suspended sentence and is assigned to a probation officer and ordered to get psychiatric treatment. There we go. That's the first time, that's good.

Yeah. So he does, but he left it immediately after being admitted. So he's got problems. February, 1989, he gets in trouble for dressing up as a woman and going into local churches and stealing purses and wallets out of coats. During like ladies church meetings, he goes and dressed as a woman and steals from them. 15 counts of theft he is charged with. Yeah, he did it all over the all different churches.

Women would be inside doing choir practice. He would go to the cloak room and steal all their shit because they would figure, you know, no one's gonna steal their purse from church. At church, right. He was, on the day he was arrested, he pulled over to the shoulder of the road and he was screwing around with his car.

A cop offered assistance. This is a crazy thing. No one, he didn't get pulled over. He was dicking with his car. A cop pulled up and said, hey, can I help you with your car and he panicked? Began fumbling around the front seat trying to hide coats and purses. Oh And he just yelled at the cop no no you can't go in my truck

It's like I didn't want to till now. So all my stuff's that now. I really want to I did before I was like, I didn't want to till now. That's where all my stuff sat. Now I really want to. I didn't before. I'd sure like to now. But the cops saw a black gun holster hanging at the top of a seat belt restraint, and they wanted to see what else they had.

Then they saw the women's purses and coats and said, are these yours? And he said, yes. And they said, they're yours? And he said, yes, I'm a woman. Oh, OK. And he went, nice beard, ma'am. Terrific. What I'm you, ma'am.

What I'm saying is because he's dressed in full men's regalia working on his car. So they search further, they find women's wigs, a hypodermic syringe, women's dresses, and a thick roll of cash. Yeah. Got a bunch of cash, which is wild. So 17 counts of criminal indictment, 15 for theft and possession of controlled paraphernalia for the syringes, obviously. So anyway, he's going to plead guilty, like we said, and he's sentenced to 18 months, but the judge suspends all but 45 days. What?

Now he serves 45 days in jail before he posts his bond and later boasted that he did it on purpose because it's cold in February and it was warmer than jail than in his truck Didn't want to be outside anyway. Yeah, he said it was He said it was more comfortable in the county detention center than in the freezing cold He said he liked the three meals a day and a roof over his head and they had movies every Thursday So it was great in there. This is great like summer camp to him He said he was he was reluctant to leave when spring arrived I should let you know how bad your life is get it you fucking like jail is better. You're like, this is great I don't even want to listen. It's like a spot of him though. He looks at it like a spot say vast improve amazing

Holy shit. Now. They said they gave him three years probation because he had serious mental problems. The Maryland judge said the defendant has serious mental problems and is now addressing them. And his public defender, Donald Salzman, was so sympathetic he wrote a letter for Haddon Clark and instructed him to hand it to any police officer the next time he was arrested. License of registration, well, read this. Here, the note read, to any police officer, I want the help of my lawyer, Donald P. Salzman,

and I want my lawyer to be present before I answer any questions about my case or any other matters. I do not wish to speak to anyone concerning my criminal charges pending against me or anyone else or any criminal investigation regardless of whether I am charged. I do not want to be in any lineup or give any handwriting samples or give any blood, hair, urine, or any criminal investigation, regardless of whether I am charged. I do not want to be in any lineup or give any handwriting samples

or give any blood, hair, urine, or any other samples unless my lawyer is present and then gives the lawyer's address and phone number. So this is, just give them this rather than have you say dumb shit and cry when they show you an eight-year-old's picture. It's gonna stink of a sovereign citizen, but they're gonna get to the bottom and they'll understand. Oh I get it. Oh you're crazy. Oh you're insane I see.

But by 1990 living in the woods is cheap and he saves money. He has $40,000 saved. Over $40,000 by 1990. Wow. Just saved up. So yeah they said that he he defied the stereotypes of homeless people. They said he was super industrious and he was Just saved up. So yeah, they said that he defied the stereotypes of homeless people. They said he was super industrious and he was always doing shit. Like he wasn't lazy or any bullshit. They said he tries hard to feed himself.

He's a little standoffish sometimes, but he wants social acceptance. They said that he plays chess. He does things like that. He joins the First Baptist Church of Bethesda. They said that he, you know, he plays chess. He does things like that. He joins the First Baptist Church of Bethesda. He's not doing OK. He's doing all right.

That the reverend said he came for the social aspect. He's a little loud sometimes and would make remarks that were immature. He was aware of that and he didn't have social skills. They said he was a man to whom friends were invaluable. He wanted friends really bad, but nobody, nobody liked him. No, except for the kids. And then they call sort of call him names and kick him in the ball. So they said he would tell you he had days when he got depressed. Um, one person from the group said, I tried to avoid talking to him.

He talked nonsense. I stayed away from him. 1992, Penny Hofffteling. Okay. H-O-U-G-H-T-E-L-I-N-G. She is a psychotherapist and a lady who lives in Bethesda. And her daughter Laura, she has a daughter named Laura, who in 1992 was at Harvard. Fantastic. Yeah, just doing really well here. Totally well. So Penny, the mom, needs a gardener.

Now, this is about 10 miles from where he had murdered and eaten Michelle Doar in 1986. Penny likes to help people who need help, basically. She's a nice lady, and she's a psychiatrist, and so, you know, add all that together. She thought she was doing a good deed when she hired a homeless man from a local church organization in 1992,

and that is Penn, our guy here. So she hires him as a gardener, and he immediately becomes very attached to Penny, like she's his mother. Like in a motherly way. Because he doesn't have a mother now. And he has the mentality of an eight year old and has no mother. He needs a mother.

He needs a mother. Now he's a good worker. He does all his job and shit like that. And he's real good. He tended to her zinnias and pruned her perennials so well that she began to invite him into the house and let him have run of the kitchen. He was allowed to make himself coffee

and use the bathroom without asking if he could come in. After a while, Penny starts noticing little things are missing. Oh? Pearls, pearl necklace is missing. Her underwear is missing. Oh. Clothing starts to become missing.

So she was not a very observant person, Penny, and had a lot of stuff and didn't really care that much, but a strand of pearls disappeared and she noticed that, but she didn't want to confront him about it. Penny once complained to Haddon about some missing gardening tools and he blew up and yelled at her. He was like, how dare you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah at her was like how dare you bubble bubble blasted she was like shit my bad sorry rather than firing him she backed off so Laura after she graduates from Harvard in June of 92 she comes back home and he doesn't like it because he's the child and now her daughter's home and she's paying all his attention to

Penny and he's jealous. Yeah, he's jealous. He said she appeared to like her more than him, you know, because it's her daughter and you're a homeless guy. She hired to trim the fucking zinnias. What are you talking about? So within a couple of days of her returning, he starts plotting to get back at this Laura for how dare she come

home October 13th 1992 Penny tells hadn that she's going away to a conference for a week she said I'll be gone from the 20th from the 17th of October to the 25th so just so you know you don't have to come that week Octoberth, the next day after she told him that 1992, he purchases two rolls of duct tape, braided rope and a nylon cord pays with a check. Shouldn't be able to be bought together. You should go. No, you have to get like you need like drywall or something to go with this. You need some other building materials. You don't just need this. You son of a bitch. Fuck. What are you gonna get, a little shovel too?

Is that what you want? No. So, he wrote a check for this, and in the memo part of the check, he wrote Laura on it. What? Wow. You shouldn't be able to buy those, and for sure, if you were- Laura.

Who's Laura? You should have to ask who the fuck is that you don't get to write victim that is crazy man so a Saturday October 17th 1992 Laura went to a horse meat I don't know what that is I think you have to be a rich person to know what a horse meat is I mean horse, of course, I mean, not she's not going to eat horse meat, right? She's going to meet with horses, apparently in Middleburg, Virginia. Car me. Yeah, I ever get together, park them in a parking lot, line them all up and you just go up and lift the tail. Look at the buttholes and yeah, it looks like a good horse there.

I don't know about 2014. That's what you got there. That's not about 2014. That's nice. We got there. That's a nice horse. So there was a gala dinner party following the event afterwards. The next day is a Sunday, October 18th. Laura slept in. She watched some football games with her older brother Warren and his roommate. She had taken a temporary job in Washington until she decided whether to go on to law

school or become a teacher. Don't go to Harvard and then become a teacher. She had taken a temporary job in Washington until she decided whether to go on to law school or become a teacher. Don't go to Harvard and then become a teacher. Not that that's bad, but I just mean for money-wise. You're gonna get- Unless you're gonna be a teacher at Harvard. That's what I mean. Go to Harvard.

It's gonna be, you didn't need to go to Harvard to get a job as a teacher is what I was saying. You could have done this at the community college. And not owed $200,000 in fucking student loans. So I guess there was a big project at the firm due to start the next morning, so she went to bed early just after 10 o'clock that night on Sunday the 18th. But she's in bed about two hours,

when just about midnight Hadden parked his truck on the street next to their house, to Penny and Laura's house. He went to Penny's gardening shed and grabbed the spare house key that was kept inside. He knew about that. By the way, he's wearing full regalia. He's wearing clothes that he stole from Penny.

Oh my God. He has a wig on. What a nightmare. He has her underwear, he's carrying a black purse, he's wearing her lingerie. All the way to the purse? Purse, lingerie, blouse, slacks, underwear, purse, wig. Full costume here. Whoa. So he's going as as Penny basically. Yeah, horror movie shit shit He also wore a woman's trench coat and underneath the trench coat. He concealed a 22 caliber rifle He opened the door tiptoed into Laura's room Use the gun to nudge her awake

Yeah Okay She woke up and he yelled at her. Why are you in my bed? She woke up and he yelled at her. Why are you in my bed? So you're awoke you will waken to a strange man dressed as your mother Yeah Pointing a gun at you and saying why are you in my bed? You'd have to think that was a dream at first right you close your eyes reopen them like three times and be like this isn't real right

Laura just sat there spaghetti that way what the fuck god damn it spicy spicy don't eat Indian food not past seven god damn it crazy I have too much coffee tonight so Laura just lays there terrified what the fuck so he yells again what are you doing in my bed and she was like I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Then he said why are you wearing my clothes? So Laura started to cry he didn't know what to do. She's like what's happening then he yelled at her tell me I'm Laura Tell me I'm you yeah So she said you're Laura, please don't hurt me. I'll call you. Yeah. So she said, you're Laura. Please don't hurt me.

I'll call you anything you want. I'll call you a fucking anything. I'll call you a fucking President Eisenhower if you want. I don't give a shit. I don't give a fuck. Doesn't matter to me. You're it. Kermit the Frog, great.

Please don't kill me. He asked her, he got a Bible out, and asked her to swear on the Bible that he was Laura So she said sure okay Then he holds the gun on her and tells her to get up. Yeah get undressed and get in the bath No, so He does she does that as instructed at gunpoint, she takes a bath. He then leads her back into the bedroom and may or made her lie down on her stomach.

Okay. Okay. His plan was to take her to a campsite in the woods and he told her he was going to quote introduce you to Haddon. He bound her wrists with duct tape and her ankles then turned her over and started covering her mouth with duct tape But he he just got so into it He just kept wrapping it around her head around her eyes and her nose and just her whole head She couldn't breathe and suffocated

What the fuck? So he said, fuck. She's laying there still. He started taking the tape off her face with a pair of scissors, and his hand, he said, slipped, and he stabbed her in the neck, and then blood started coming out. So, he, rather than go, what do I do, he started looking down at her neck and became fascinated with her earrings and took them

like those earrings so he had a hard time getting the second one off, so he just Got a pair of scissors and snipped off her earlobe with the scissor with the earring on it He then sat by her bed and just stared at her nude dead body for an hour At times he said he touched Just stared at her nude dead body for an hour. Oh boy. At times he said he touched her breasts, but said that he neither raped her or practiced cannibalism on her remains. So at three in the morning, he wrapped her body in a queen size sheet, threw her over his shoulder and put her in a narrow bed underneath the cap of

the rear of his truck. Okay, that's his bed that he sleeps on. He then went back inside, gathered up the bloody evidence, the sheet, the mattress pad, the pillowcase, carried him outside along with Laura's high school ring, a crystal uniform and some other unicorn, some knickknacks from a room and some other personal shit he put in his pocket then he laid down and slept in her bed inside left the house at eight in the morning he was wearing a woman's wearing the whole wig and carrying the purse a housekeeper standing with a child waiting for a school bus would later tell

the police she thought that was Laura headed out to her job because Laura is about six feet tall. She's a real tall girl. Yeah, big gal. So they just thought it was Laura going to work. Instead, he got in his truck, drove two blocks to the parking lot of a nearby church, backed his truck into a corner of the lot and went to sleep again Next to her dead body in the back of the truck fella. He's very sleepy. He's got a lot of he's all tuckered out That's the thing. He's got to go and do a lot It's wild that he brought a gun and then like just something personally didn't do anything with it I don't think that's how he meant to kill her I think he meant to kill her in a different way and accidentally duct-taped her too much and went. Oh shit

I broke him He's like a kid who was trying to keep a fucking fly in a jar and then I ripped a wing off and was like Oh, no now what? So the next morning while he slept Laura's employer is calling the house getting the answering machine She's never not she's never did a no-call no-show. So They think it's odd. So they send someone to the house to look around. That's how dependable she is. They send someone out there. This was a friend of hers.

She rang the doorbell, got no answer. She called Laura's brother and started calling her friends. And so everyone said, oh, we'll look around for her. Her brother, Warren, decided to walk the route that Laura takes to the bus stop that she would use to go to work. He walked down the street. And as he walked down the street, he saw Haddon Clark driving toward them

in his pickup truck. He was planning on coming back to the house to steal more, but now everybody's there. Oh my God. So Warren waved him down because he knew he was the gardener and was like, hey, do you know anything? Have you seen my sister around anywhere?

And Haddon said, you know, he pulled over, and the guy said, hey, have you seen my sister? And as he's asking, he pulled over and the guy said, hey, have you seen my sister? And as he's asking, he just guns it and takes off. His answers to questions are always wrong. They're always wrong. He could have just said no and then drove away. Nope, I don't know.

I haven't been around. That would have been easy. So officer chase him, obviously. Fuck. So he decided I better bury her because So officers chase him obviously. Fuck. So he decided I better bury her because they're looking for her. So he stumbled with her, gets off to a spot on the ice 270 just across the highway from his campsite

and he drops her about 20 feet from the road, digs a hole, digs a shallow grave, puts her in it, covers a body with dirt and leaves shallow grave, puts her in it, covers a body with dirt and leaves. In the months to come though, animals are going to find this and they dig her up and they get into her remains quite a bit. Yeah, and also later on we'll find her wrists and lower extremities would rise above the ground from heavy rains washing her away.

So he's nervous. That's fucking horrifying. So he drives north toward New England here. In Rhode Island, he stops and stuffs the bloody sheets, mattress pad, and the items he stole from Laura in a self-storage locker that he rented yearly. He keeps the pillowcase for himself, though. What? It's a trophy.

It's a trophy cause it's got blood on it. So he drove back to Washington thinking he did a pretty good job. The cops in Maryland want to talk to him though. Cause Warren and Penny both mentioned his name when his description was phoned into headquarters. They went, oh, wasn't this the guy who we thought killed that little girl? Same area, 10 miles away.

So they said that to Penny, and Penny said, hadn't, wouldn't hurt anyone, he's just a gardener. It's not him, he didn't hurt anybody. She's a psychotherapist, this woman. Like, she should know better. No, she wants the best of people. So the cops here, they go, I don't think so. So they remembered him vomiting in the bathroom and having, you know, only getting off because

of that alibi. And the one guy said Haddon Clark, absolutely, let's go, let's get him. That son of a bitch got away once. This is the cop on the phone. Let's go fucking get him. He said that, you know, we'll wait till tomorrow basically. So, OJ stealing his shit. Not this time.

Not this time, motherfucker. So I hadn't drove down to the same church parking lot near Penny and Laura's house. He went into his truck, found the bloody pillowcase, ran into some woods that bordered the church, threw the pillowcase near the base of a tree and went back to his truck and he fell asleep. So by the way, at the scene of the crime at the house They found a butcher knife on the kitchen counter her bed looked like it was scrubbed clean It did show traces of a large amount of blood covering almost the entire mattress though on there So they talked to him a detective Ed Tarny sits him down and said have you seen Laura?

He said quote. I'm so scared and started crying Not the right response. It worked once before. Not the, yeah, maybe that'll work. So they said, hey, there's nothing to be afraid of. And then Haddon got down on one knee and said, oh, God, I just want to die. Oh, I thought he was going to propose.

You're the only person for me, detective. They said he was wearing a t-shirt, jeans, and a wool and a woolen sailors cap they asked him whether he thought Laura was pretty He said he hadn't paid much attention to her Okay, when they asked what what I'm just you know out of just throw a question out. He goes. What'd you do with her? Would you do with her he pulled the cap down over his face and refused to talk anymore. He said, going inside now. I can't see you. Like the guy from Fat Albert.

Except with no eye holes. Yeah. You're still there, man. An eight year old would do that. Right, yeah. An eight year old would go, I'm gonna hide, now you can't see me. So the detective said, we didn't know what we had at that point. We knew we had a nut

But was this head case smart enough to hide her body and clean up the crime scene? We just didn't know if he was that sophisticated so they let him go Really because they have no evidence. They just have he's acting weird So that's interesting Yeah, at one point they get him back He's escorted by the head of a local homeless group named Sue Snyder, and the cops were gentle because they had nothing to arrest him on.

And he's got somebody with him. He had an alibi for everything except for the time Laura was killed. He said, well, it was the middle of the night, you're saying, so I was sleeping. He left the station and began crying, and the Sue Snyder lady asked him why he was crying and he said, I feel so bad for Penny and Warren. So when Laura never turned up

ever, the local cops did a complete search of the area. A dog from the canine unit led them into the woods near Penny's house that boarded the church. There they turned up one of Penny's bras, a woman's blouse, a high-heeled shoe, and the bloody pillowcase. Taken to a lab, they determine it's the same blood type as Laura. Then they notice there is a single fingerprint on the blood. Yeah. So they haul in Haddon again while they're testing this. And he says as he's being caught, he's being hauled in, I'm just a homeless man homeless man I don't have any friends I'll be jobless after this too and they said we found a pillowcase in the woods it had a fingerprint on it the print is yours they don't know who's it is yet they haven't tested it's being tested but

they were hoping that maybe he would do something he began whimpering and crying they said what did you do with her? And he said, I don't remember. Bad answer. Bad answer. But you know what they had to do? They still let him go. Yeah, because they don't have anything.

They don't have anything. So they had nothing to hold him on. Then they used search warrants. They examined his bank accounts, found a copy of the check that said Laura on it. They also located his campsite and searched it but didn't find Laura. The next Sunday he attended church. In the collection plate he left a note that said, Hadn't I, Clark, homeless?

Is life really worth living anymore or is it time to commit suicide? That's in the collection plate. He also sends the family, Penny and the rest of the family, a sympathy card that reads, just please give me a call when you're ready to do some gardening again. Also, I can bring you bagels on Friday too. He's offering to pick up fucking bagels. He's like, I'll make a bagel run. Wow, that is fucking wild, man. So the police obviously match up the fingerprints and he's arrested on October 22nd, 1992 for murder. They saw him, they peeked through the windows

of the truck cap, he's inside when they arrested him, he's asleep hugging a teddy bear. Is that right? Fucking eight, man. He's an eight-year-old pervert. Something super wrong. So they arrested him. They told him you're under the arrest

for murder of Laura, and he said, okay, that's all he said. Didn't fight, didn't do anything. They took him in a room, and they watched him through a one-way mirror. He looked around. They let him keep his room and they watched him through a one-way mirror. He looked around. They let him keep his teddy bear in there.

At one point, he's in there alone with the teddy bear. It's sitting on the table. He leaned over and says to the teddy bear, quote, not getting out of this one, and then sits back up. To the teddy bear! He said that. And it said in the Boston accent,

let me handle this pal, it's all right. No, I'm just kidding. Oh yeah. Got any weed? Got any weed or whatever over here, come on. So, yeah, that is fucking crazy. So. Thunder buddy.

He didn't confess, but during questioning, they said he lapsed into voices, an infant, a woman, and during questioning they said he lapsed into voices an infant a woman and a man Who said they were just said to look for quote them in New Jersey? So they looked through this one of his boyhood neighborhoods and more in New Jersey, but found nothing So this is obviously a huge deal in this area people freak out It's crazy one of the the spokesmen for the Montgomery County Township Police Department said, two brothers. Isn't that incredible? No shit.

It's not that incredible. It makes sense. He said, it's very odd to have brothers involved in capital murders on two coasts of the country. That doesn't happen too often. Yeah. Being separate. Separate. They do it together, yeah. Then another, an officer with the Montgomery County Police Department said, he has a glare he looks at you with that just sends chills down your spine. Everybody compared him to Hannibal Lecter.

That's what they all compared him to, because they knew he ate somebody too later on. Wow. So yeah, he's going to go to jail here. By the way, his brother at the time is in Tracy, California in prison, So yeah, he's gonna go to jail here. By the way, his brother at the time is in Tracy, California in prison, where he's a model prisoner dabbling in Judaism at the time.

Really? And is eligible for parole in 2002, which, spoiler alert, he doesn't get. You're not getting out. He cooked a woman's tit. You're not getting out on first parole. Well, I thought about the error of my ways. And I thought, you know, barbecue sauce

would be a better way to go about that next time. You charbroiled a titty, man. It's not happening. It's like, I realize pork is a better thing, the more normal thing to cook on the grill. So neighbors said they remember him as being a little bit weird. One neighbor said, I just remember him snapping and getting angry. Then you just kind of walked

away and he would calm down. It's where everybody would say here that another guy who grew up with him said that he remembered him being quiet and a little slow. Yeah. But they remembered at one point Mrs. Clark, Flavia, trying to stop a snowplow from clearing the street so her four children could sled. That's what mom is like. Overbearing? What is that? I will stop.

No one can drive on the street because I want my kids to sled on it. It's crazy selfish. I'll change the entire day of everybody for my children to be able to run around. So they bring bloodhounds and find no trace of Laura here. The two dogs searched a square mile of woods here in Warren to try to find the scent of Laura here. The two dogs Sherlock and Buford, which are very good bloodhound names. Sherlock, because you're sniffing him. And a bloodhound just looks like a Buford.

And also they look like they would wear a Sherlock Holmes hat. Yeah, that's what, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like best in show when he's talking about, yeah, he goes, is that dog's name Buford? Are they from Buford? I don't know. No, they're from pine, pine nut, whatever, pine nut. Will you stop naming nuts?

I love that. from pine, pine nut, whatever, pine nut. Will you stop naming nuts? I love that. What if you just put like a little pipe and maybe a hat on there? Is that allowed? I don't know if props are allowed, but. So they did all this shit and they're looking for, the dogs were given pieces of clothing

belonging to both the victim and the assailant and couldn't find it. They said passage of time in rainy weather made it difficult there. So they keep bringing these dogs. They're not finding anything. Wow. January, 1993, a letter arrives to police.

It's a hand-drawn map transmitted by fax machine arriving at the police station in Wellfleet, Massachusetts. It depicted a cemetery in Wellfleet. It had been found in a pickup truck in Maryland that belonged to Haddon Clark This is one of the things they found in his truck The detective in Maryland sent it up there. Okay He had spent summers in this in this area at his grandparents house Eating all sorts of shit. So on the map here in the area where his father and grandparents were buried in the cemetery

He drew an X the Maryland detective asked the well fleet police if they could see whether anything seemed out of the ordinary In the vicinity of the X a Laura's body was not found there though They said they drove down the road in the cemetery came to the grounds by some oak trees where the Clarks have their graves They said it was cold getting dark right in front of the grave marked Haddon Clark senior. It was clear the earth had been disturbed. So they called the state police and they said there might be a body buried in the cemetery to which they said listen let me tell you something buddy there's a lot of them. There's a few. The next day they arrived with a dog that had been trained to find cadavers. They said we're in the cemetery and the officer starts rubbing the dog

She says you want to go to work. Oh, that's a way to confuse the fuck out of that poor thing find it find it Find a fresher one One that's not in a box got anything newer Buford Well, they're also looking at they're also sniffing that her belongings also I think so she said go to work and find that the dog runs back and forth Nobody points him in any direction and anything like that But in about 30 seconds he's by the disturbed piece of ground and digging furiously. Oh my god So they call the police from Maryland they arrive and they said we get shovels and dig up the spot and me and the

Massachusetts State Police and the detectives from Maryland and nothing's there. They said they dig a little more, still nothing. They said it's winter, it's cold, it's damp, we're standing around a hole in the ground looking at each other, shaking our heads. He said I know now what happened, I know most of it happened anyway, but for eight years I didn't know anything.

Okay, we'll get to this. Now, in jail, this is before his trial's about to start, an inmate at the detention center where he's being held told police Clark had been sitting at a picnic table in the yard one day while people were playing volleyball. The ball rolled over toward him. They asked him to throw it back, but he didn't. He was sitting with his head in his hands

and crying and saying, I shouldn't have killed her. I shouldn't have killed her. Oh shouldn't have killed her. Oh my Not good. No, so the day before the trial is set to start. He decides to plead guilty instead so he pleads guilty to second-degree murder of Laura and The sentencing is you son may fuck off 30 years in prison. That's a long time. For that, okay, 30 years. Now, within days of his sentencing, his lawyers go to the prosecutors and said, he's ready to tell you where the body is.

Really? Yeah. He buried the body in Rockville next to Bethesda in woods near a highway exit ramp. So. To this dad's grave. No, it wasn't there. I don't know, he must've been doing. What's with that no, it wasn't there.

He must have been doing that. He did something else there. Who knows? That would have been absolutely bar crazy if he buried a body on top of his dad. I mean, I know the mob would bury bodies under other bodies, but not on top of that. That's crazy. So when he's in prison now, he's boasting of his many murders. He's telling inmates details about how he killed Michelle Doar, Laura and others.

Now, obviously, they're not real big fans of child killers in prison here. And also, if you inform on a guy, you can get early parole. So you mix all that together. There's a guy named Lou Luciano. Hey, Louie. He's a former Baltimore based FBI agent and he's done a lot of murder for higher cases, armed car robberies, kidnappings, homicides. But he said this case was different.

When he's in prison hadn't hung meat from his cell ceiling. To let it rot. Drew coloring book like caricatures of his victims and believed his white bearded cell mate was Jesus. Actual Jesus. And we'll talk about that. You have a cellmate and you're hanging meat in here? Yes.

What the fuck? And he's so crazy no one does anything. This Luciano guy said you're dealing with multiple personalities. A guy eating moldy pork patties.'s a killer he's a soulless individual behind those eyes there is nothing and he was the guy holding the cards because he had a pretty good idea where the bodies were this guy conducted hours-long interrogations with Haddon who attributed his murders not to himself but to a persona he has named Kristen E. Blufin.

Oh boy. That's my alter ego who I kill people. That's who kills people. Not me, it's Kristen. I got the name Kristen from my mother. From my mother who called him Kristen. Isn't that fucked up? Yeah.

God damn. I'm surprised his middle name isn't Retard. Yeah. Kristen Retard Blufin. So he said, this Luciano said, said there be times when we spent seven eight nine hours with him and he's talking about his alter egos he's showing us his drawings he's talking about people he killed he's giving information up some of it we could corroborate and knew about some of it we knew some of it he

was playing us so he said that his he signed his name Kristen and claimed that Kristen was a mean bitch, ate raw flesh and loved hiding stuff. He's a mean bitch. That mean bitch that Kristen. As Haddon started to demonstrate that his more forceful personality and more prolific personality was this woman, he began to become her more in the moment. He would shift back and forth.

I think Kristen was probably his wall or his shield. Yeah. Yeah. The drawings. Okay, I'll show you all of them at the end, or most of them, but I'm gonna show you one here that's pretty creepy. He said his drawings are mostly women in landscapes, maps.

They almost look like postcards. Wish you were here so I could kill you. He said, I'm featured in some of it, but it's always wide-eyed girls with blue eyes, and it is here is one of them oh There's so I don't like fucking that at all no are they the creepiest there They're so innocent and so fucking creepy cuz they're so innocent hate it They're really similar to the BTK drawings. Yeah. And we'll talk about that. Very rudimentary, very childlike.

Childlike. Quality of drawing, yeah. The way he does his, just his lines look a lot like BTK though. That's how BTK would draw the slick ad people and do all that shit. I don't like the part that he gave them to. It's raw.

No, they have like a fucking bald part, like a 40s man part that's been part of it on the side too long Hitler youth shit So Wow during one of the interviews Luciano asked him for a picture of Kristen and he handed over a drawing of a blonde woman with big blue eyes Now it resembled FBI special agent Desiree Smith the guy said When they brought it to her They brought her in to help. Yeah Hadn't gave her the picture and smiled and said you're Kristen. Oh

boy They were like whoa and after that he he really opened up cuz he's like, oh you're here. You're here. Okay September 23rd 1998 they talked to her him about Michelle door Okay, they bring him into an interrogation room. They let him sit by himself. He starts making a series of gestures and Sometimes makes and he also that he says our American sign language, but they're not he makes like Yeah He made up his own sign language and he sang a song in there.

Lyrics? That never indicates guilt. Nope. Lyrics are as such. He's still working on me to make me what I ought to be. Took him just a week to make the moon and the stars, sun and the earth, and Jupiter and Mars. How loving and patient he must be, he's still working on me. There really ought to be a sign upon my heart. Don't judge her yet, there's an unfinished part. But I'll be perfect just according to his plan, fashioned by the Master's loving hand." That is a wild song. He's singing creepy Jesus songs in there, man.

Yeah, throwing her in there The detectives come in the room and hang a poster-sized photograph of Michelle on the wall. Oh boy It this is the one that's appeared in all the newspaper articles and everything They said do you know who she was she is and he said, yep Yep, and now in one of his storage lockers The police had found a collection of tools that a land that his landlord said that they stole from him. Now they showed him the pictures of the tools and asked if he could identify them. And he said, that's mine. I got that from my grandfather's workshop. That's mine. I got it when I was in high school.

There was there was an old vice that came out of my grandfather's shop up in Wellfleet. He used these tools to tune pianos. They showed him a collection of Chinese coins and he said money my coin collection and they said you speak Chinese and he said yup they said you speak Chinese and he said yeah and he said yup then they said you speak Chinese and he goes yup I speak German yup. Then they said, you speak Chinese. And he goes, yup, I speak German. No, no, no. Is that what we asked? They said, you speak Chinese. And then he took a big pause and he said,

I don't speak Chinese. But I listen to Chinese music. I listen to a lot of different types of music. I listen to Chinese music. I listen to Mexican music too. Caribbean, I like Caribbean music too. Oh boy. Great! What the fuck are you talking about? This is not going well.

An hour goes by they place a document several pages long in front of him with a warrant charging him with the murder. The other detectives asked if he wanted some coffee. He said he did. The guy went to get it. They knew Clark would talk to himself so they wanted to see what he would say. He turned the pages of the war read them all Stopped and went. Oh, well Yes, I'm fucked. Yeah He took the picture of Michelle from the wall and put it face down on the table Then sat with his elbows on his knees and clasped clasped his hands and said, oh well, going to court as he slowly read

through the pages. He rubbed his chin and he said, oh well, I'm the Rockville Rocket, the Rockville Rocket, that's me. Then he said, this could be a bunch of bullshit to try to break me. He spread his elbows on the table, put his head down on the warrant with such force that they opened the door and asked him if he was all right. Whack! Like bang.

Then he calmly folded the warrant up, put it in his pocket and sat there and waited for his coffee. Now the behavioral science unit here from the FBI, that's who these people are with obviously, Detective Tarny, who'd pursued him for years, said that the Maryland police took him to the FBI the mind hunter people to see what the fuck's up.

This is what the cop said quote they took one look at him and told us you've got your hands full never seen anyone like him before. They went to think about that. They went to fucking Holden and he went beats the shit out of me. That's a crazy one. Fuck off I don't know. That's crazy. Yeah, we shine dark or light into the darkness. We can't can't eliminate this one. Nope So 1999 he's in court again for he's tried for stealing from that family He stole tools from and shit and he's found guilty and receives another you sir may fuck off 10 years in prison consecutive then they try him for the michelle dohr murder and he

doesn't plead to this either this is a at the trial his defense attorneys tried to point the finger at this girl's father who's fucking guilty enough as it is and uh but several fellow inmates tested to fight against him like multiple inmates were like oh yeah he tells us all about this shit so during the trial he would rock back and forth in his chair and sometimes break into songs about Jesus okay he's found guilty obviously still working on me working on me. Working on me. It's catchy. And he receives Yusa. May fuck off again. 30 more years consecutive to the other one.

Okay. Okay. 60. That's 60 but really 30. Because. It's consecutive though, right? Yeah but they're eligible for parole at 15 I think so. January 2000, I gotta hurry up here.

We're running late. January 2000, he confesses to Jesus. Not at church or to a deity of any kind. He has a cellmate with a white beard that he thinks is Jesus. He literally thinks he's Jesus. His name is Jack Truitt. He's in on a 50 year sentence for murder. He's not Jesus.

No, that's a news for you. Not Jesus. Or he he rose and really took it out on you. He really fucked up man. So this Jack Truitt, I'll just call him Jesus from now on. Jesus recalled the rancid smell coming from this man's cell. He said inside Haddon's locker, he had saved 15 cartons of milk. He said he would save them, it's hot.

He'd just let them swell up. It was just rancid, man. I'd say to him, why do you do that? He told me, it reminds me of decaying bodies. Oh boy. When Haddon started confessing to Jack because he thought it was Jesus, Jack was like, this is from Luciano,

Jack was like, man, this guy's talking about killing, gutting and cannibalizing little kids and cutting the throats of women. So Luciano said, Jack did this at great risk, being locked up in a correctional institution. Calling the police can make a very bad entry to your health record while you're behind bars, but Jack picked up the phone and made that call.

So they asked Jesus what Kristen is like. Have you met Kristen? He said, the whole demeanor to me changes when he's Kristen. When you talk to Haddon sometimes, he'll bow his head and talk with his eyes closed and constantly fiddle with his watch. He's kind of slow and a little retarded. Everybody notices. Kristen is smart and evil. That's what's weird. When he switches personalities, he's 32 fucking points higher IQ. That's what's fucked up. It's weird. You can see

there's nothing behind the eyes with Kristen. It's unnerving I can easily visualize him in a car dressed in women's clothes with a butcher knife riding the roads looking for a victim So during this here Wow They talk about a second female personality emerges now Kristen's daughter Nicole now. Okay. Kristen's daughter, Nicole. Oh no.

The Jesus said, quote, she is, I'm estimating, about 14 or 15. She's a pretty evil, pretty nasty person, a smart little kid with an attitude. She was mad because she felt the police were disrespecting her mother. When she'd stop and go to the bathroom, they'd take her to the men's bathroom and she'd get mad. Yeah. On the way to Wellfleet, he got into a dispute with the detective and tried to bite him.

This is Haddon. The detective said, Clark goes through these tirades. The night before we went to find Michelle Doar, he didn't eat, got lethargic, and he just got comatose on everybody. It's just like an exorcism he goes through. This is what Jesus said here. The tirades are a result of a conflict between Haddon and Kristen. They're fighting inside. It's just like an exorcism he goes through. This is what Jesus said here.

The Tyrades are a result of a conflict between Haddon and Christen. They're fighting inside. That's why. Oh, eternally. There's a battle in there. Jesus said, quote, when we, that's a great thing to say. Jesus said, quote, when we went to get Michelle Doar, Haddon's in the holding area and he won't talk to us.

He's down on his knees, beating his head against the wall and talking in a crazy language. He was in turmoil We didn't know it but the problem was that Kristen told him not to tell anyone where Michelle was buried So Clark began telling the detectives he wanted to die. He thought that it was a good day to die. So This guy the detective said he held Clark's head in his lap for 20 miles in the car He laid on his lap like a child Then Clark tried to scratch him Out of nowhere. He says like a cat. It's like a sketchy cat like I was scratching and biting Yeah, fuck. I pet him three times. He bit me like the first day

The next day the detective said he rode from jail with a couple FBI agents And he tried that stuff and they tuned him up real cute We brought him back and he's sporting this big black eye. Yeah, I just kicked the shit out of him They didn't care like you bite me. I'll beat your ass back here So Clark and the gen Jesus and the detectives went with several of that was the thing he said to I won't do it unless Jesus Can come I'll show you where the body is if Jesus can come so then this other murder Fucking guy this murderer has to go on this trip. Yeah. Wow. So they said that Clark changed at the station. He said he wouldn't do it. He had to be dressed in

women's clothes with Jesus next to him. Then he'd do it. So he said they changed, Clark changed at the station. A red wig, gray cotton blouse, sort of a pullover, tan skirt with a pattern. I'm tempted to use the term Paisley, but I think I'm wrong. That's from a detective who doesn't know anything about women's clothing. Paisley's the design on bandanas, sir. You can say Paisley. You fucked it all up. Or those 90s ties. He told the detective he'd placed an old box spring over her, then covered her with dirt. The dogs worked for several hours without finding anything. One of the dog

handlers took Clark aside and said to clear his head from all the people standing around being a distraction. He said he was about 10 or 20 feet from me talking to the dog handler about what time of day it had been when he buried Michelle and where the Sun had been. I looked down and saw a wire sticking up and started pulling it. It looked to be about the size of a child's bed. I said, Hadden, is this it? He came over, looked around at the trees and landmarks. Then he got down on his knees and started pawing at the ground like a dog.

Oh, Jesus. Yep. So that's where she was. They found her there. Now, Jesus told the cops that if he wanted to discuss Clark's crimes, he had to address him as Kristen. And this guy said, when Clark finally called me, this person is talking, saying, hello, is this Hadden or Kristen?

He said, who do you want? I can get them for you. I'll put them on. Well, I have some questions for Kristen. Is she around? He paused and said, this is Kristen. What do you want? Oh, boy. I asked Clark if he would describe what happened to Sarah Pryor. I have some questions for Kristen. Is she around?" He paused and said, This is Kristen. What do you want?

Oh boy. I asked Clark if he would describe what happened to Sarah Pryor. He said, Okay, that's the little girl we know, nine year old. Okay that was 85 in the fall. An Indian summer kind of day. I was on my way to the area for Maryland to see my father. He lived in Sudbury, the town next door.

My father was seeing another woman then. I think my mom and dad were divorced at the time. I'd just got out of the military. Things weren't going so good for me. I got to the house and he wasn't there I had plans to help him move some things I drove all the way to help him move some stuff and stuff and he didn't show up It's canceled big deal, but it's very frustrating to drive all that way and it's canceled. I was on my way home I forget what route I came through Wayland. I asked this girl about directions. I was acting like I was lost.

I already felt I was going to kill something. I don't know what makes me feel that way. I know I have a problem. If I'm doing these things, I must have a problem, but no one gives me any help. Something makes me mad and I take my anger out on anything. You get in my way, it's like a tornado. So I sort of lured her into the car, pulled her in, took her to a field, one thing led to another. I told her I wanted her mom, not her, and she didn't

tell me where she was. I left her in the field then, covered up, and went to like one of those stores to get plastic bags. I came back, put her in the bags. It was late in the afternoon the only thing I left behind was her head I Dropped it just like I dropped the pillowcase in Maryland by mistake. He dropped. He just lost a head. I Headed back to Maryland I knew the rest area where I could pull over and hide it and get back and get it when I when I came back Up, I think it was Rhode Island I sort of buried it put stuff around it so no animal can get to it rocks It wasn't a permanent grave site. I had already planned on going to well fleet to bury her at my grandfather's place

I wasn't worried about anybody finding her before I got back. I never had anybody find anything. I didn't want them to find That is so much information. He didn't Know he knows it in much information. He didn't forget a thing. No, he knows it. In 1997, a piece of bone small enough to fit in the palm of a hand turned up in a field in the town of Wayland. The fragment turned out to be a piece of Sarah Pryor's skull. And those are the only remains of her that have ever been found is one bone fragment from her skull. Oh my God, that's so fucked.

That's so fucked, man. So yes, he takes them all around trying to find different things Then they talk about other murders besides those two little girls who killed and everything else one is a woman He said he met in Vermont in 1975 or six and drove to Wellfleet and killed her and buried her on his grandfather's property Her body was not found. He also says he killed a woman who's buried in Provincetown Cemetery under a marker that says unidentified female body found Race Point Dunes, July 26, 74. He says that's his.

That's a lot to remember. Yes, well that's her marker. Oh, okay. Because they found her in the dunes and somebody buried her. In the newspaper story, she's referred to as found her in the dunes and somebody buried her. In the newspaper story, she's referred to as the lady in the dunes. He said, in 1974, I was vacationing on Cape Cod

at my grandfather's and I went into one of my episodes. I was in Provincetown and I came across a beautiful girl. I lured her into the dunes. I smacked her in the head with one of my surf casting poles. And then after she was unconscious, I had killed her removed all her clothes folded them neatly put them under her body and I did some things with her body.

I folded up her clothes real nicely and I cut off her hands and stuffed her arms into the sand like she was doing push-ups then I took her wow then I took her hands and put them in her purse like a beach bag. I cut off a couple of her fingers and used them for fishing bait. I buried her hands in a different place. I didn't bury her because I was making a statement. I don't know why I was doing it. Maybe if you were a trained psychologist, you could tell me. So I wanted her to be found. Yeah, I want answers. If you give them to me. So I wanted her to be found. Yeah. I want answers. If you give them to me. Wow. That is fucking crazy. So Jesus has gone to all these places and everything. Um,

yeah. So December 15th, 2000, shortly before Christmas, he tells Jesus what he had buried in the well fleet cemetery and drawn. And that had drawn the cadaver dogs was the body of a little girl named Sarah. He also drew a map of some woods and silver spring where he said he had buried Michelle door which is where they found it. Jesus told his wife what Clark has said and she called a state trooper she knew and that's how this whole thing fucking happened.

They end up digging up they go to the grave site there they dig up a bucket that he described to Jesus. It was two feet below ground, attached to it was a shred of plastic which had torn loose from a plastic bag. The bucket contained 230 pieces of jewelry, valuable bracelets, earrings, little bead chokers strung on rubber bands like kids wear. One of the items was a brooch with a winged female figure reclining against a blanket. Television reporters called it the angel of death. He said he wore that when he killed someone. That was his that was his killing brooch. He said

someone else must have given it that name because he sure didn't but he said the brooch belonged to a girl named Debbie whose car broke down in Pennsylvania during the 70s. He gave her a ride and she kept asking to drive his car and he got annoyed so he killed her and buried her. Also in the bucket were a ring and a watch that Penny later recognized as having belonged to her daughter. 200 pieces of women's jewelry dude he stole this. This is all of his trophies. These are his trophies. Wow. He, he claimed they all came from victims near the, yeah, that's crazy. So two thousands, they find the bathing suit that Michelle door was wearing in a wooded area near

a playground with the help of Haddon and Jesus. He's currently serving two consecutive prison terms at the Eastern state correctional facility in Maryland. However, you know, Luciano says if you're comfortable with this guy living in your basement or renting a room from you, then you put him on parole because I don't know if he's getting parole. No! In prison, he occupies himself by reading the Bible. He's often given to attributing quotations to it that aren't there. This is great.

He will say, like it says in the Bible, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. That's not, that part's not in the Bible. Like it says in the Bible, fuck around and find out, you know? You know what I'm saying? As it says in the Bible, a penny saves a penny earned. I mean, that's just how it is. It's just throwing out cliches and made up cliches and a trivia. He said at one point, like father like son, you ever read the Bible?

Oh, they just misdiagnosed him. The man's not retarded. He's just dangerous. He's just insane. He's fucking insane. He plays chess by correspondence with people whose names he gets from chess magazines What plays with other prisoners do and he says if he feels they're cheating he cheats, too Michael Bay made a documentary about him that Michael Bay, which is incredible because there's that whole story almost three hours

Did you hear one explosion? No, no No explosions at all called born evil. Oh man there's also a guy named John F George wrote a book called knowing had my correspondence with the cross-dressing cannibal that is available in paperback only on Amazon there There is also Born Evil, the true story of cannibalism and serial murder that is available on, that's by Adrian Havel. That's some good information from the story came from that. Gotta give that credit. There's that.

I guess Havel interviewed and corresponded with Haddon Clark more than a dozen times for the account. The only names they change out of anything are Jeffrey Clark's kids, because who cares. And then there's his art. Okay, Jimmy, let's look at some of his art. First of all, you can buy one of his letters at serialkillersinc.net for $30. I feel like you could probably write to him and he'll write the fuck back. Oh yeah, he needs, look, here's the one you saw that's creepy. Here's another creepy one. That's really good on the coffee cup. That

person's face is fucked up. It's so fucked up. Look at the nose. The nose is a ball bag. Yeah, it's like Peter Griffin's chin. And he writes things on him. He writes coffee, it's almost like an ad for coffee, and says circle the s hands over and under each other several times And he has like people doing sign language in all of these Here is Dog it's a little girl there are always little girls pigs got an amazing Rendition of one of the fucking Dalmatians. That's beautiful And it says pat the side of the leg then snap the fingers

I guess that's how you that's how you make a dog do stuff and it's a very nice. It looks like a Disney dog Yeah, it's a Dalmatian very Disney Here this one. It's a picture of actual someone with a cat a woman with a cat It says love cat and it has another drawing here and it says Reagan Revoord love cats Revoord he writes like Stevie. Yeah. Reagan loves cats. Marijuana. There's a weed leaf and like making a smoking gesture with this little girl that says using the F hand make the motion as if you are smoking a marijuana joint. That's the sign language for that in his mind. Library. The right L hand is a circle. That's a library. Look at how creepy they are. That looks a

lot like Laura, by the way. They all have, their eyes are either too far apart or crooked. Look at the same girl he draws. That's Michelle. Ball bag nose. That's Michelle that he's drawing and That is Laura because if you see a picture of Laura, it just looks like her Here's another one circle the a hand toward the body alternately several times TV and acting my favorite actor is Clint Eastwood But I have plenty of actresses. I really like Demi Moore Michael learned Mary Beth McDonough and quite a few others

That's what he writes. Quite a few. Home, and it says Los Angeles up there. That's for Reagan Reverd. Home is in Los Angeles. Who is Reagan Reverd? Must have been the chick with the cat. Onion.

Onions make some people cry. And it's that same little girl with tears coming down her face there. Then there's a picture of Garfield. It just looks traced He didn't yeah, he didn't draw he just colored it. That looks like a coloring book picture. It's Garfield on a skateboard with a backwards hat I Don't get that then there's a frog here again. That looks like a colored frog But it sits on top of her head For some reason candy, okay, he's got M&Ms like a Photoshopped M&Ms on there

Lightning it's got that money always the same Yep, the girls exactly the same. How is there you go new money? Look at that? That's the animals. Those are new bills There you go. Everybody That is Haddon Clark and like I, top 10 crazy in history of this show. Obviously this guy is fucking nuts and the world and the world. Yeah. I'm sure there's crazier people, but I haven't heard of them. So, uh, we'll, we'll get through the end of this very quickly here. Definitely shut up and give me murder.com. Get your tickets for live shows. The four 19 it's on four 19th to Saturday night, April 19th, the four

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