Small Town Murder - #576 - Electronic Murder Bread Crumbs - Longmont, Colorado

Episode Date: March 8, 2025

This week, in Longmont, Colorado, a mailman is horribly murdered, while on his daily route, in broad daylight. Detectives wonder who could be that mad at a postal carrier, but soon find out that there was one particular person, who had several reasons to want him dead. An electronic trail lets police follow the murder, and know exactly who did what, and when. This uncovers a nasty plot, that had been in the works, for months!!Along the way, we find out that nothing is actually close to Denver, that you don't want to be dying around people who won't even give you CPR, and that you can't kill people in front of 10 different doorbell cameras, and not expect to get caught!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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get into this here I think it's time to sit back let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout shut up and give me murder let's do this everybody okay let's go on a trip shall we we are going to Colorado here. Lovely place. Lovely place. We all like Colorado. Pretty. This is Longmont, Colorado, which is a Denver suburb, basically.

But in Denver, the suburbs are far. Denver's spread out. The airport in Denver is like an hour from Denver. So everything's far here. So when we say a suburb, it's not like, oh, you could just drive to downtown Denver in five minutes. This is about 50 minutes to downtown Denver. So it's out there.

Yeah, it's all out there. It's about four hours to Aspen, Colorado, which is not only a beautiful resort town, but also the location of our last Colorado episode, episode 527, Killing the Princess. So that was, I remember that one, that was fun. This is in both Boulder and Weld counties. The town kind of overlaps there.

Population here is 98,789. And it's a suburb, but it's very suburb-y. There's not, it's not a city, it's spread out. It definitely fits small town. When you're that far from downtown Downtown you stick around right out there Yeah, you keep it you keep it central and even like all the reviews are like this small town very small town like everybody It has that feel so definitely fits median household income here is eighty three thousand one hundred four dollars Which is above the national average by almost fifteen grand and then the median home price here it's pricey Denver's a pricey market here it is

five hundred thirty five thousand eight hundred bucks to live an hour outside the city basically that's that is brutal man a little bit of history here at Longmont was founded in 1871 by a group of people from Chicago really yeah a bunch of Chicago people. It was originally called the Chicago Colorado Colony. That's what it was originally called. Really? Yeah, that is fucking wild, which is insane.

These men sold memberships in the town. They purchased the land necessary for the town hall with the proceeds. That's how they did it. They were like, well. It's a long ride to the country club. I would say so. This is the first planned community in Boulder County

and the city streets were laid out in a grid plan within a square mile. So it was boring right from the start. They laid it out as this is gonna be the burbs, babe. It began to really pick up as an agricultural community after the railroad arrived, when they can take the stuff out of there. And then it, who knows, and it developed.

I think that's still, I don't know what they're growing. I guess wheat, that's all I could think of, that would grow there. So I'm sure there's other shit, but I know wheat is that area, that's the wheat belt. Probably feeding Coors Brewery. Maybe, yeah, no shit. But then after that, it kind of became just like a suburb and that's what it's been

Since then so a few reviews of this town to give you an idea of what it's like here Five stars Longmont is a nice and growing community north of Denver and east of Boulder It's a very family friendly It is very family friendly with a vast system of parks and running trails The commute is great and it still has the vibrate still has a vibrate Main Street area. Vibrates. Vibrate Main Street area with a small town feel. Downtown is very popular with the ladies Main Street. The sidewalks are just lined with them. They just sit there like there's a parade coming. They just sit on the ground and look happy. I don't understand it.

Here's three stars. I grew up here and it's still my permanent residence. However, I moved away for college. As a kid, there's not much to do here. There's a lot of issues with teenagers and drugs. Gee, I'm sure that's really unique to this area that teenagers do drugs sometimes. Welcome to America.

Jesus. It's like a small town with way too many people. Everyone knows everyone and not in a good way. Wow. Everyone's nosy is what they're saying. That many people and we still know everybody. Still know everybody, so that's what I mean. It really feels like a small town from the way everybody talks about it.

And who the fuck is a psycho and enjoys their commute to Denver any direction? It's a great commute. It's a night. 50 minutes of bliss, baby. That's it. I'm going.

I'm getting in my car. I can't wait. All of this stop and go. I love it. Maybe they listen to this show and they're excited that they get a chance to hear the whole podcast they want to hear. I get a whole hour into this thing and then I get to sit down and listen to this in the cube. Here's three stars the town is this town is right in the middle not rural or or overpopulated

Hot or cold conservative or liberal everything about this town is very average and that's okay This is that's okay. I don't know. I don't know that person is very easily pleased. I feel like they're easily I don't know. I don't know that person is very easily pleased. I feel like they're easily easily Satisfied and finally one star nasty spiteful awful people who treat service workers terribly Don't recommend moving here zero empathy for other human beings whatsoever And that's all caps rude and unkind well you already said nasty spiteful and awful. Do you need to add rude? There's a lot of adjectives. Absolutely the worst interactions had in years. So that's interesting. Things to do here, there's a bunch, but this is the Winter Walkabout Music Showcase. I guess they do this every year in the beginning of February, so we just missed it.

Presented by the old Flatirons Bank. It's over 16 venues 60 performances and one all-inclusive ticket So you can drive all over town going to see these bands and I'll give you some of the bands here I have never heard of any of these people. No, so maybe you have I'm not sure Megan Megan Burt with two T's Not that one. Oh, that's way too close to butt. That's why you can't put two T's right? That's what I was hoping you would Catch on to that girl like with two T's be you are a teacher the music industry with the last name that close to but Megan but Augustus will be there

just declaring Well, he dropped the galoop. That's maybe. I was thinking he was going to say he was taking over as emperor. I'm not sure. Yeah, that's true. The Black Hole Boogie Band. Hell yeah. Beats me. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that is, but great.

Black Hole Boogie. Erika Brown with MJ and The Side Gig. That's too many people. You know what you should do with that many people? Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig. That's too many people. You know what you should do with that many people? Get a band name and call yourselves that. Rather than just name all the people in the band. That's your band name.

Yeah, they don't say John Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. And the backer guys. It's Bon Jovi. And the other guys you don't know. You pick a name, something catchy. And Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig is not catchy It's not working the tribinaceae trio

Okay, it sounds like some mother that's forcing her three Italian sons to sing and like we don't want to sing my like get your Asses out there and sing and like okay. You do it you sing like angels get out there. All right, ma Anika and the obsession Yeah, the rampart street stoppers Ain't from here Okay Soon that's country the mile-high brass band Mackenzie Ray and buckshot moon

Okay, this is bad case. Oh rah likeueso Raw, but Queso like the cheese. That's the weirdest. So we do, we sprinkle a little Mexican in this. I guess so, Fox Feather, she's a Sturtz, La Pomp, Gabriel Mervine Quartet. I could go on, but I think you get the fucking picture. Bunch of people you've never heard of. No, but fucking locals.

I've never heard of any of these people. Yeah, none of these people at all. So there you go, Banana Bangs, that's a band name. Almost Rama, not quite. I'm not sure what's happening there. That said, let's talk about a murder. Forget these unknown bands that I have never heard of. Let's talk about a murder.

Let's start out, this is gonna be real recent too. Real recent. October 13th, 2021. Let's start out. Golly. Real fucking recent. Yeah, this is crazy. It is 1232 PM in Longmont. Okay. 9-11 or 9-11 911 calls 9-11. I say like I live in another country. Some countries say 911 when they're talking about. So do 70 year old men. My dad says it and I'm going stop saying that. I looked at it as like September 11th

and when I saw it I read it in my own handwriting of 911. He's like if I fall down call 911. I'm like why do you say that? Why do you say that? What are you doing? 911 is less syllables, it makes no sense. There's no 11 button, so I'm dialing 911. How about that?

So they receive a call, 911 does, from 2010 Sicily Circle, which is the address they get it from, and it is advising that shots, they heard shots fired. And we'll see from surveillance cameras in the neighborhood that you can hear, I mean, clearly four shots ring out. It's one, two, three, and then a fourth with a pause. And it is, you know, knowing what happened,

it's pretty disturbing to hear these, see these videos. So they get a call here. Now it's a woman saying that a postal worker was shot at the end of their driveway. They said our mailman has been, someone shot him and we saw somebody running away. We saw a man with a hoodie on and a blue mask running away from it.

A fella chased down the mailman? What, he maced your dog? The mailman. Dude, I mean, I said no more catalogs. Like, what the fuck do you want from this guy? He's the mailman. He dropped me off another advertisement for Solar, I swear to Christ.

And I had a pain in the ass mailman at one point, and I still wouldn't have shot him. That's a little much. I can, you know, what do I, I got a 30 second interaction with him? I can make it, at most, if I have to sign for sign for something god. He's got so much work to do. It's got a lot going on here So the they she this woman is saying to like it's outside I don't know he's outside and my neighbors out there. So the 911 operator is like can you please?

Go outside. Yeah, it's and 2021 yeah, take your cordless shit out there. What are you still? is like, can you please go outside? Yeah, it's 2021. Take your cordless shit out there. What are you, you still tethered to the wall? No, she's on her cell phone, but she's saying I don't wanna go out there. I'm afraid to go out there because I don't know if this person's gonna come back.

She said, one of my other neighbors is out there with this postal worker and you know, I don't know. I don't wanna go out there. So the 911 person's like, you gotta go out there. I need information. You have to go tell me if this person's breathing you have to tell me put that guy on the phone Whatever it's another lady out there, too So there's two like older ladies that are hovered over this guy

So they said a woman are a man in a dark colored hoodie and possibly wearing a blue mask seen running southeast from the location This 911 calls frustrating to This operator is two seconds away from calling this lady a bitch. Like it is two seconds. The lady on the phone, the 911 operator lady on the phone is pissed at this lady because she's like, go over there and look at him. Is he breathing?

And she goes, I'll go out there and I guess okay. And she's so casual about this and she's like oh He's bleeding and they're like from where she's like. I don't know Look from the mouth. I guess they're like, okay. Can you see does he have where is he shot? Is he breathing and she's like I think he's breathing and then at one and they're like well, you should you need to perform CPR Can you get down there check to see if he's breathing and perform CPR, and she's like I don't know how to perform CPR I'm not I'm not doing that and the lady's like someone's got to perform CPR I don't she's like I don't care if you know or not. I'll fucking tell you how to do it

Yeah, just like ask the lady with you does she know CPR or will she is someone willing to do CPR this lady would not go Go near the body this man basically she did everything but say gross like It's like dude help this guy stand how messy this is can you say somebody qualified for that if I'm ever shot and killed And this lady's calling 9-1-1. I'm gonna be fucking upset because and then at one point she's like no I don't think he's breathing anymore And what yeah, and then the 911 operators like can you get down and first of all make sure he's not breathing And then start fucking CPR if he's not breathing and she's a real casual ass way to say I think I just watched him Yeah, I think this guy just died on my driveway Right, and then she's like, hmm

I don't know like she's like not doing the ladies like ma'am ma'am And then then she goes the lady on the other lines like well the police are here now, so I'll let them handle it And then I don't want to do that. The 911 lady just goes Yeah, just just do that just do that and hangs up like she's just like I want to fucking strangle you you asshole You're making my job really difficult So anyway, this poor postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood and strangle you you asshole you're making my job really difficult so anyway this poor postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood Jesus in front of a bank of mailboxes it's one of those neighborhoods that has

the banks of mailboxes we gotta stop and walk down yeah it's one of those and so he's laying there he is got three gunshot wounds to the body and a gunshot wound to the face oh face I think it was one two wounds to the body and a gunshot wound to the face. Oh, wow. Face. I think it was one, two, three to the body and then one to the face after that. Oh, to make sure to make sure. So this is like someone's really mad about too many publishers clearinghouse fucking advertisements coming to them. I don't know what's going on here.

Man's never showing up yet while he's dead. He's all dead. So this was next to a near a cluster of mailboxes on Heather Hill Street just west of Renaissance Drive. And so they there's different varying witness statements as far as how many gunshots some people heard five some people heard three. It's four based on the video that I heard I heard four. So and this is 1232 p.m., middle of the day.

Yeah, in the middle of the day, yeah. It's the weirdest thing. So they find that the mail carrier, his name is Jason Schaefer, and he's born in 1988, and he has a five-year-old son. He's considered a real nice guy. People in the neighborhood talk about how he brings the mail up to the door for like elderly

People who can't have mobility problems and shit like real nice guy everybody says oh even as a mailman He's just a good guy so I'm still bringing me other people's mail. I get shit Yeah, I get shit from other people all the time, and they know exactly hey You know exactly who we are here damn it. You know what the numbers right on the fucking on the box putting other numbers in there so after at the After the scene cleared all the neighbors were all gathered around the whole thing They all went and got their fucking mail that he just dropped off. They were like, well, I guess I got nothing else So they all went to the mailbox frame it last one. That's it. So

The neighbors here's one person said, it's so sad. This poor person was just doing their job. You're in a peaceful area, a beautiful neighborhood. You would never think once that this would happen to you. She said she's had wonderful conversations with her mail carrier. She says, I'm really just heartbroken for them just doing their daily job. One other delivery worker said that he quote, never really had any encounters on that street or anything like that

and said it's definitely a shame to that this happened. Whatever the reason someone else said, you wouldn't expect you. You wouldn't expect like your mailman would be hurt. I assume that's the tone of voice that's being said or something would happen to him. It's this is a pretty nice neighborhood I'd say so it's just weird that it was right there and broad daylight, too You stuck like in a place where like doesn't belong at all

So people said that he was known throughout the neighborhood One guy said he hand-delivered mail to some of the houses because they weren't capable of getting to the mailbox another guy Then they so they're looking over this and they think it seems like a pretty personal act Feels that way. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem like I'm mad about my mail to shoot somebody that many times in the middle of the street It's doesn't seem like I'm mad at my ex-wife there goes the mailman. I'll take it out. Yeah, you know what thing you do I also don't like him. That stupid fucking hat.

Is he fucking my wife? That's the only, I don't know. Yeah, stupid shorts. They're saying that this seems like somebody who wanted to look him in the eyes when they did what they did. They shot him right in the face. So that's really personal.

Real personal. So they's really personal. Real personal. So they describe the person they saw as a man with a hoodie and a blue mask. And several cameras around the area caught the shooting as well as the suspect running through the neighborhood on various cameras. You could just put the footage together and make a whole movie out of it.

People don't realize It's just like that guy the telus guy in Vegas. Remember the guy was like a city council member who shot one of the other people He's on like every camera like there's his car. There's him walking to it There's another and it you could just connect the camera footage to watch him come in and out of the neighborhood like the people not Realize that every single house is a fucking camera on it now? Yeah. I don't think they realize. Like, it's crazy.

So they all catch that. One person here from the police department said, one witness saw kind of this shadowy figure standing across the street, almost like they were just waiting. Like they knew they were waiting at the mailboxes for him to show up. Another person said whoever this person was, they specifically had waited for Jason to be by himself before approaching from across the street.

This was a strong indicator to us that this was planned. Nobody's just hanging out on the sidewalk and then they're like, I'll shoot the mailman to death. Like that's odd So these video cameras here They have one that has the the shots heard and I've seen the video and you hear the shots and then you see a small dark colored little SUV Traveling westbound on Heather Hill Street So they said it's unknown at the time if that vehicle was involved in the incident

or not, but you can see it. You can also see a person running southeast across Heather Hill Street on these, on these, uh, like towards or away from that car towards the car. Yeah. So they said, um, the one camera here found at 1206, this is six or 26 minutes before the shooting that a black Nissan SUV missing the right front passenger hubcap was seen driving past the residence then back onto Summerlin Lane east bound toward Renaissance Drive. You better not ever commit a car or murder in front of in a car that is very easily identifiable. Yeah.

Yeah. A distinctive looking car. Get yourself with missing a hub. Yeah, get yourself a white Chevy Malibu with all the hubcaps of every rental car on earth. That's all about. Yeah. So they another camera, uh, that was on the back of the house facing on a back of a house facing west toward renaissance drive Got at 12 32 pm. This video caught a person running southbound from where the incident happened they said the person who didn't seem particularly tall and was wearing what appeared to be a long-sleeved dark-colored top with a possible hood and dark colored pants and a blue face mask again so again a resident here at 2420 Summerlin Court,

they said that they saw a black SUV, which they thought was maybe a Subaru, backed into an access road to a field at the end of Renaissance and Summerlin Drive. So this is like a whole setup. Somebody was waiting, they had a car parked. Yeah, this is crazy. So the postmaster arrives at the scene

The big boss of the area. I'm sure it wasn't the United States postal, you know inspector general or whatever I'm sure it was just whoever ran know what he is runs the local post office. He shows up here and Right away looks down sees who it is and, quote, did the baby mama do it? That's what he, that's his first statement, is did the baby mama do it? Which is interesting. Yeah. Very interesting.

He does have a child, a five-year-old child, with a woman named Devon Rebecca Schreiner, who is a few years younger than him. She is born in August of 1995, and they had been having some contentious back and forth about custody of the kid. So they, and the police start their investigation. They say, this is not like a postal, this isn't business.

He wasn't killed over business probably. Probably has nothing to do with the post office. We're all upset about that. Right, Hiken. God damn fucking three cents, really? So they look into his personal life and of course his ex-girlfriend, who by the way, this guy knows the quote baby mama

because she also is a post office worker. She's a mailman. Is that right? She's also a mail person. So, yeah. So they both, they met while they were working for the US Postal Service back in 2013 or something. Is that a real incestuous group?

I guess so. I mean, I think everybody that works together just fucks each other. That's just the way it works. Yeah, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm not an office guy and you were in your truck the whole time dealing with like linemen and shit.

So probably wasn't the same for us, but I think if you work- I don't wanna fuck them anyway. No, I would hope not. I'm not an office guy and you were in your truck the whole time dealing with linemen and shit, so probably wasn't the same for us. But I think if you work. I don't wanna fuck them anyway. No, I would hope not. You don't wanna fuck a dirty guy named Ralph? They all got nicknames, man. Of course they do, because their name's Ralph.

Nobody wants to go by that. So their son was born in 2015, like we said, and then they were not together very long after that. And a little bit on Devon Shriner. She currently works at the Loveland Post Office. He works at the Longmont Post Office. Jason. She's on the other end. She works at the Loveland Post Office and lives in Fort Collins.

Jason's mother said Jason wanted a family. So when Devon got pregnant, he was very happy and we were very happy for them But right after the birth of the son there was trouble and apparently he moved out about when the kid was about six months old Quickly yeah, they didn't even give it a chance to we'll get through this first year See if it gets better easier soft spot for Christ's sake Yeah, he's on stage one still for fuck's easier. He's still got a soft spot for Christ's sake. For sure, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, he's on stage one still for fuck's sake.

He's not even getting the little tiny chunks. So they break up. The mother, this is Jason's mother said, their values were not the same. She did not want to work. She felt she didn't have to work being a mother, but you need two paychecks. Their relationship started to deteriorate and they broke up.

Jason tried to get along and co-parent together and that wasn't working very well, so Jason wound up getting a lawyer to set up a parenting plan. Oh boy. They don't get along at all. As a matter of fact, it's been getting worse and worse and worse and we'll tell you a few factors why. Okay. and worse and we'll tell you a few factors why. One is two weeks before this murder, she still worked at the Longmont post office with him.

She got fired from there for getting into a dispute with him at work. Holy. So that's the fucking thing. She got shit can from there for, and I guess it must have been her doing the Driving of this because he she's the one who got fired She ends up moving over to the Loveland Post office that week. She gets hired by them

So she ends up with another postal job, but they were working together as of two weeks ago And a postal friend that knew both of them a postal friend that's a weird way to put it sounds like she just mails her correspondence to you they should says she said that they knew them you know she knew them both this person and said that that Devin had worked at the Longmont Post office for a long time and the couple's son was the source of tension between the two, and several years ago, Jason had even filed a restraining order against her

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Now, two days earlier before the shooting. So that was two weeks earlier. She got fired and had to go get another job with another post office two days before He was killed Jason filed for increased custody of his son two days She was just kid less money. She was just served the day before with the notice for So that's interesting a county prosecutor later said in looking at her phone It was clear that she was served with paperwork So that's interesting. A county prosecutor later said, in looking at her phone, it was clear that she was served with paperwork.

She was aware that he was seeking increased custody and time with their shared child. That's not good. And then if that's not enough to cause, and that's enough to cause a lot of strife in a relationship, here's the big kicker now. As of June of this year, for the last few months, Devin's sister Rosa

Has been living with Jason She moved in there with him there in a relationship now Rosa and Devin hate each other now This is not going well at all Very bad. He is going to be an uncle daddy. He's an uncle. Yeah's going to be an auntie mommy. One of the two. This is no good. So Jason's mother said just before the murder, Jason mentioned that his girlfriend Rosa

was living with him. I didn't think it was a very good idea because Rosa was Devon's younger sister. I told Jason, younger sister too, I told Jason, quote, you've opened up a bad can of worms here. Yeah, that's a not only a can of worms They're all rotten in there. They're all dead and rotted and festering They all had like syphilis and shit. These are so a can of dead syphilitic worms That's what he's open for the mailbox people. She does not that I know of so

This is fucking crazy. Jesus Christ. Between the last two weeks of time and the sister moving in, there's a lot of shit building up here. Oh boy. I mean if she didn't do it, she's got all the reason. I mean she's the unluckiest person in the world if she didn't do it. So then they figured out that Devon,

they looked her up after hearing all this, they found out that she drives a 2017 black Nissan Rogue, which is a little SUV, a little black SUV. That's not good. How many hubcaps you got? And she has a missing hubcap. Oh shit! In her front right passenger.

In the one that we need to be missing. Not good, as a matter of fact, yeah, you can see, because they had an automated license plate reader captured the vehicle in May of 2021, and it can be seen missing the right front passenger hubcap on that picture. She also has a new boyfriend, also, her.

Not really new, this is, she's had, she's been knowing and seeing this guy for a long time I'll tell you exactly how long because it's pretty gross his name is Andrew James Richie goes by AJ AJ AJ Richie he's a prison guard at Englewood prison he's a CEO so you know he's a great guy too. You never know so they they met When he was 20 and she was buckle up everybody 13 oh That's when they met So there's been something going on

Yuck since this time allegedly that's been going on here, so That's interesting federal employee. She just loves a man in uniform. She doesn't give a fuck what the uniform is I like a guy with steady benefits, okay So the this is One of the people here the police people said they learned that Devvin Shriner was not happy about Jason dating her sister. We know that for sure. She had vented to multiple friends, including AJ Richie about her anger at the situation, including saying such things as quote, they have a new family now. My son, Jason, and my sister. Yikes. Yikes. Now, by the way her sister AJ This is her boyfriend is Currently living with his ex-wife and kids

And she says ex I don't know if they're divorced or what but he lives with them and the only time she gets to see Jajay for the most part is on Wednesdays because he's off that day And so she'll take her lunch break at his house and fuck him, I guess. That's how that works. Wow. Yeah, it's wild. She comes over every Wednesday for lunch. That's her jam.

She is his Wednesday. That's terrible. It's crazy, and their lunches are very classy, as we'll find out, too. Yeah, sure. So they find all this out. They find out that their son, the Jason and Devin's son,

goes to the Gateway Montessori School in Longmont. So they go and they pick up the kid here, because they don't want Devin to get the kid at this point, because they think she's a murder suspect, so they really don't want to have her have a kid in her possession. So they go pick the kid up, and plus that will make her come to the police station

if the kid's there. That's what they're trying to do. Get control of you fast. Yep, they call up Rosa too to basically hang out with the kid at the police station so he's not sitting there with strangers, which pisses her off mightily as you might imagine. And they find out from the school

they get Devon's cell phone number, which then they can get all the information they get Devon's cell phone number, which then they can get all the information they have. So that's what they do. And they absolutely get everything from Verizon that they can. While at the school they spoke with Rosa now, the detectives speak with Rosa, and Rosa said that Devon's in a romantic relationship with AJ, and that Rosa said also she's received, that Jason has received threats from Devin and AJ,

and has messages and court paperwork at his residence about these threats, texts and stuff like that. And Devin also threatened that AJ would shoot Jason. Like I'll have AJ shoot you. Okay, now, so where was she during the murder? Let's find out. That's a good question. That's a good question.

Well, the postal service here, the US Postal, whatever the fuck here, office, utilizes all sorts of technology, including GPS, on all of their scanning devices. They're used for a bunch. They scan packages. They also constantly report GPS data to USPS servers throughout the day

and so that they can see exactly where you were, exactly what happened, and make sure that you're doing your job. Yeah, it doesn't just protect the customers and people out on the road. It protects you, lets them know where you are at all times. If you get kidnapped, they'll know.

So that's how that goes. and so they're looking with that. The scanners require a login to use the device, scanning, they scan their employee ID, which then associates with the letter carrier to a specific device, joins them together. During this investigation, they review the scan and GPS records, and you know related to Devon and They said that when they did that they found an extended period of time on the day of the shooting where the GPS

Data indicated the scanner was stationary. Oh From from 11 a.m. To 1 30 p.m Two and a half hours two and a half hours. It is it is at her boyfriend's house. It's at AJ's house. That's where the GPS has. So. It's a long lunch break. That is a long lunch there, boy. So the activity is unusual as the scanners normally display movement at regular intervals,

because you're delivering shit, basically walking, driving. So they said that at approximately 10, 15 a.m., the scanner device indicated she headed to begin delivering mail that day. And then like we said, 11 something, it shuts off and then 130, it comes back on, it starts moving again. So they, she was supposed to be delivering mail about 30 miles north of here in Loveland,

but GPS data from her mail scanner shows that it stalled at AJ's house, like we said, during the time of the killing, an hour before to an hour after. So that's not good. They said it was 11.06 a.m. until 1.28 p.m. The GPS device was pinging in the area of Tradewind Court in Loveland, more specifically the 3101 trade wind court in Loveland which is where AJ lives interesting So they said that it's common for a GPS advice device to experience a phenomenon known as GPS drift Which the same device reporting several latitude and longitude combinations even when stationary so they said the During this they noticed they observed numerous pings in the area while the GPS

Device was listing a speed of zero in a direction of 999 which means it's not going anywhere Even if there was a it sat somewhere if it pinged to like two houses away It's just because of the drift that didn't go anywhere So they said at 1 22 p.m. The scanner started moving again and it returned to the Loveland main postal dock port around 4 31 p.m. So she went out and finished her route Yeah, okay, so that's her her two and a half hour fuck session and do the sandwich Well, we'll find out about that actually. It's definitely not a two to sandwich also, which is hilarious

I do it like her choice of a lunch. It's pretty good So on the morning of now, they got cell phone data to on the morning of the shooting cell phone data showed Devin and AJ were both at her Fort Collins apartment before they drove to AJ's home in Loveland At that point it appeared that AJ took Shriner to the Loveland Post Office, after which Devon began her route, and AJ drove into Longmont and began following Jason around on his route. Oh no. Yeah, that's very fucking interesting here.

They said that, and then by the time everything's over, by 5 18 p.m., she's back in Fort Collins scene walking her dog. So she called at 5 27 p.m., called the Longmont Police Department to speak with a detective who had been, she had heard they were trying to talk to her. She said, I heard the phone call too.

She's very much like an attitude. Like, I just keep hearing I'm supposed to talk to you. And they're like, well you should come down to the station, something happened with your ex-boyfriend or your son's father. And she's like, my son's supposed to be with his father right now, where is my son? And he's like, well, we picked him up. And she's like my son's supposed to be with his father right now where is my son and He's like well. We picked him up, and she's like I did not give you permission to pick up my son and they're like well

Either way he's here, so you want to come on down, and you know and they're like super calm They're like come on down. I'll give you my number and all this and she has She has the most I'm on hold with customer service attitude of all fucking time. It's meanwhile the father of her child is laying dead. She doesn't know they didn't tell her that yet. So according to her she's like no one will even tell me what happened and they're like yeah it's kind of complicated so it's kind of an in person conversation. We don't really want to get over the phone especially while you're driving you know you're

already clearly upset. Yeah come down here and be upset with us so she drove her 2007 black Nissan Rogue with a missing hubcap to the police department located at 225 Kimbark Street here and parked in the north parking lot two detectives went and looked through the closed window of the vehicle and they found they saw a blue face mask and a black hoodie that was lined and had a zipper and a drawstring. They're like, okay, well, there's that's what the murderer was wearing. That's interesting.

We got a uniform in here. No shit. So they tow the vehicle away to have it, you know, processed and everything like that. So where was her boyfriend that day besides he started following him. We'll find out. Okay. Besides, he started following him. We'll find out. Okay, a search of his cell phone location and data showed his path that matched up exactly with Jason's path the entire time.

He stalked Jason all morning. Crazy. One of the cops said, and watching that, it's almost scary. AJ was on top of Jason almost the entire mail route. It looked like AJ had been waiting for Jason's mail truck to leave the post office that morning, then AJ followed him all around for two or three hours.

Like an FBI agent? Yeah. What are you doing? Like a fucking private investigator. A rideshare vehicle used by the Englewood prison where he worked as a guard was seen on camera several times following Schaeffer's postal van also. Oh my god. following Schaeffer's postal van also. And AJ's cell phone data and GPS data from the, AJ, I'm sorry, AJ's cell phone data

and the GPS data from Schaeffer's postal scanner appeared to be in the same locations for the entire morning. Surveillance cameras detected Devin's SUV, identifiable by the missing hubcap on its passenger side, driving into the neighborhood of the shooting and parking on Renaissance Drive south of the shooting scene. Then they, this is crazy, right?

It's like it's- This is the worst murder of all. It's the worst murder ever. You can put it together, you can literally make a film out of the cars being followed and people running away and then you can have next to it running a map of these people following him. It's the worst murder of all time.

It's been GPS coordinating. You might as well have walked into the fucking police station covered in his blood. It would be the only other way to look more guilty than this. You may as well have handcuffed yourself to a cop and walked him while you did it. Oh, shit. Hey, watch this.

Jesus Christ. It's fucking ridiculous man, it's absolutely nuts. Another security camera picked up the person approaching the van, this is Jason Schaeffer's postal van, then heard the sound of gunshots, then showed the person running from the area in the hoodie and the blue face mask. Security cameras then captured the person running south

before Devon's SUV was seen again, this time leaving the area. It's not good. It's not good. Then they found worse shit than that. If that's possible. Okay, number one, they found that this is not, this has been going on a long time. They found a picture on AJ's phone later from June 13th of that year. So months earlier of him at a heat, AJ took this picture at 11 35 at night outside of Jason's apartment of a picture of Rosa's SUV with her license plate in it. And they asked, they asked Rosa, was there any reason for him to be there? Did he come over to like help you guys or hang out or something and take a picture? And they went, absolutely not there any reason for him to be there? Did he come over to like help you guys or hang out or something and take a picture? And they went, absolutely not. No reason for him to be there.

He was stalking us. So they found, uh, this is from the detective quote, there was the saved Snapchat photo that AJ Richie had screenshotted and saved to his phone. It showed an individual taking a selfie in a bathroom wearing the exact same outfit outfit the shooter had on and it's Devon in the picture where it's exact It's a picture of her taking a fucking selfie of herself wearing her murder outfit and sending it to him And then he like a dipshit screenshots it yeah, is this a good murder outfit? Yes or no? This is supposed to disappear, but I want to hang on to this for posterity And I want to jerk off to this lay a little later on it goes on you're just seeing your eyes. It makes me hot

If that wasn't enough shit to go on there's also a assload of text messages that are really Incriminating I don't know if the only thing I can think is that Devin thought they'll never suspect me even though I'm the act who's fighting with him at work and has been Served with papers two days ago because there's no way anybody who thought they'd be a suspect would even do all this It's crazy. That's an eight. They like she's never heard of Dateline. It's like she's never never seen a single Nothing in 2021. That's inexcusable in 2021 you have to know better, right? This is crazy never seen a documentary

Investigation discovery and never came in on her TV years ago. It's not on any You know, we we do make fun of people that Google how to how to murder I do kind of commend somebody at least they try at least they try The Googler at least tried these people didn't even try This is terrible. I'm so good at this watch this. This is it's fucking crazy. Take one. I'm a winner. Oh From July 8th, 2021 AJ sent Devin a text about, quote, ending Rosa and Jason. Another text, they went back and forth and he sent one to her saying, quote, you could

just kill them both. These messages have been sent months ago and it's fucking crazy. They said they, then then Jason had filed for the more time. Cellphone data showed that they were on a call, AJ and Devin, for nearly three hours the morning of the murder as well. So like the whole time he followed Jason for three hours. So the whole time they're on the, he's following Jason, he's on the phone with her telling her exactly what he's doing. Telling her what he's doing. Yeah.

They said, they said, we believe he was was coordinating with Devon He was sending information back to Devon about where Jason could be found on the mail route AJ's the lookout for Devon So like we said she called the investigators about 530 and agreed to drive to Longmont to meet the investigator Investigator shows up in her car with the murder outfit sitting on the front seat like a fucking idiot She's so bad at murder this person, so bad at it. I hope she's a better mailman or no one has gotten their fucking correct mail in years. This is why she's been fired. This is crazy. So she shows up and the only way I can, I can explain this interrogation would be imagine you were just like walking through Target going through the

aisles and two police officers grabbed you took you and sat you in a fucking in a chair in the interrogation office and said we're gonna talk to you about a murder okay you'd be like, hold on. What the fuck? Oh fuck are you talking? That's how she is. She acts like, first of all, she's like, first of all, she won't even let the detective talk, which is a sign of, huge sign of guilt when people do that always.

Her eyes are like, you can see the whites of her eyes. Oh. She does not blink the whole time. Oh. Like has this guy in her sights the whole time. So like a cat, you just got wet. It's yeah. Yeah. She is angry that she's there and all she'll talk about is why was my son picked up from school? I did not give my son permission to be picked up from school. And he goes, okay, well that's great. And you know, the cop is super calm. He's like,

listen, that's good. And I understand that, you know, she keeps saying without my permission and they're like, yeah, but you know, they say the guy even says, he goes, well, listen, I mean, this is your ex here who got, who's killed. And the, when she, when he tells her he's been he's been killed and She goes well what happened and well first she buries her head She goes yeah, he's been killed and he died today is what the cop says and she just goes like this Puts her head in one hand and goes yeah

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It's like hold on We just told you this guy got shot in the face and all you're concerned about. And he even said, well, you know, we got family down here. There's lots of people that we're talking to right now. And she's like, is my dad here? And they're like, who's your dad? He knows everybody that's there, but they just want to get and she goes, big dark Mexican

guy Raul. And he's like, I don't know. I'm not sure. She goes, he goes, we got Rosa here. And she's like, you don't know. I'm not sure she goes we got Rosa here and she's like you got my sister Okay, and they're like, yeah, but your sister's, you know watching your son right now She he's she's like well, he she does not have custody of her and we do not I don't want her around The guy's like that's that's great. We'll just let's get back to your let's get back to the shot in the face part

Remember that right? Can you calm down one hubcap? This is not good. It's crazy. And then she's like, she goes in the face, then she goes, I didn't even think he was working today. Jason, I thought Jason was off today. Then they're like, okay, well look, before we go any further, we have to read you your rights

because, and the guy tries to play it real casual. She's super offended that they're reading her her rights, by the way She's like you have to read me my rights. Why like I don't understand she goes Well, you know he goes, you know when there's a murder, you know we just have to we have to look at like the butler and The the bookie that he said he owes money to and you know X's and I don't think he has a butler and I don't Think he gambles. So, you know, you're the X so we got to talk to you We're gonna count the candlesticks all that all that shit

So they you know, she's super offended by this though, and she's just like the whole time. She's looking at I'm like So they said it's obviously she's quote you have to rule out the butler the X the bookie, you know That's when he says real casual She says so she reads her the rights and then she he asks her, you know, where were you today? And she says well, I was at work So I don't know what you're even bothering me for like she's like I was at work. So I couldn't have killed him obviously Case closed. That's it. Okay Expected him to go. All right, never mind and he even said he goes. Oh, well, that's great. That's it. Okay. Expected him to go, alright, nevermind.

And he even said, he goes, oh, well, that's great. That's a great alibi. He goes, terrific. He goes, that's good. Then hopefully we can get you out of here pretty quick. You know, we'll get that gunshot residue test and then we'll get you right out of here. And she's like, why would you do that? I don't understand.

Like she keeps, it's really fucking funny. Then she says her rights have been violated because they're talking about doing gunshot residue tests on her and shit And she's like well you my rights have been violated because you took my son from the school So she thinks she's gonna fucking complain her way out of a murder investigation Yeah, what's right? Yes violated. What are you talking about? This is not customer service at the Walmart This is a fucking murder investigation. You can't just yell your way out of it and stomp off So she says that she's very upset that The sister is with the son again, and she doesn't want the cops to talk to her son either

She said well, you don't have my permission to talk to my son and they go Well, we don't really need it because he's a witness. so we're gonna talk to him. They're just ignoring everything she says. Well, since you're in custody at the, no, you're not in custody, but you are a suspect, we're not gonna, you don't really have any rights over him right this minute. And since his other parent is dead, we're just gonna hand him to someone

who doesn't seem like a murderer and see how that goes for them. Also somebody that kinda sides with us and thinks that we should probably ask him some questions. Yeah, one of those, you know, one of those people. Rosa seems good with it. She seems all right with all this. And so, yeah, they tell her,

we don't fucking need your permission. We're going to talk to your son, and she's not happy about that. That's like the first 20 minutes, by the way, of just irritating back and forth where you're just like, this fucking lady is really irritating. So then they finally get into the part about Jason.

She finally gets over the son and all that kind of shit. And she said the relationship wasn't great. Jason moved out when the baby was six months old. She said she filed a restraining order against him in 2016 after an altercation when she asked him to, this was after they had moved out with each other and everything, he was over and she asked him to leave and he got a little physical so she filed it. But I don't know anything if that's real or not but I do know that he filed one against her but I'm not

sure if they did it against each other or what happened here. So then they tell her that while we saw your car near the scene It was seen by several witnesses and they go it's very distinctive with that missing hubcap They go honestly how many black Nissan rogues with a missing hubcap are there in the area probably not a lot You know what I mean, and she's like why didn't I get fucking up get fixed? So they said also a plate reader picked it up near the crime scene at the time of the murder and so you mix all that They're like so, you know, not only did it was it seen with the hubcat missing But then we know it was in that area because and she's made the toll. Well, yeah She's saying that you know, I was at my fucking I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time So I don't know what you're talking about and they're like, yeah, she's saying that you know, I was at my fucking I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time

So I don't know what you're talking about and they're like, yeah, but you weren't cuz your car was here So they asked her does anyone else did anybody borrow your car? Does anyone else have keys and she's like, well, I mean I have another set but I don't even know where they are So no, no one borrowed my car It's fucking crazy. So Stay they said it makes your cars very distinctive Then they said then your GPS stopped like an hour and a half before the murder.

It starts up again an hour after the murder. That doesn't look good. And she's like, well, I don't know what happened with the GPS because I was at AJ Richie's house eating lunch when my scanner was stalled. I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't there for two and a half hours. I don't know anything about that.

So they said, so you were there with AJ eating lunch? And she said, yes, absolutely. They said, well, what'd you have? Pizza rolls, which good choice. I love a pizza roll. They said, what kind of pizza rolls? She goes, I don't know, I didn't make them. You can tell in two seconds if it's the good ones.

If it's the totinos. Or they store bought our totinos. Those shit genos. Well, we know what they are here. So they said, but you ones, the Totinos. Or they store-bought our Totinos. Those shit genos. Well, we know what, yeah, we know what they are here. So, she, so they said, but you were there the whole time eating lunch with him. She's like, yeah, absolutely, that's what we were doing. I go over every Wednesday.

Turns out there's surveillance video showing him eating lunch with friends at Hooters during the time of the shooting. He's at fucking Hooters with his pals eating lunch. This guy not with her garbage food to look at titties today. He's eating shit worse than fucking pizza rolls. Yeah. I'd rather have pizza rolls than Hooters. Hooters is terrible. Food is awful. So funny. So that is fucking amazing.

She said that if she didn't scan packages, her GPS might go dormant, but that's maybe why it went dormant. But I was at my boyfriend's house, he was there with me. And the guy says over and over, he goes, you know, people just don't kill mailmen for no reason. They're like, it's just not a real highly targeted group of people. You know, it's just not. Yeah.

They blend into the landscape too. Nobody's even looking for them. Yeah, and then they also say, we've also heard, because Jason told a lot of people this, that you told Jason that your boyfriend, A.J., would quote, shoot him. Is that true? Oops, the daisy.

And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about So they ask her they go we're just gonna ask you straight out who was it was it you was it AJ There's two cars that were seen so I've got to be neither one of you one car left And then another one showed up so and then at one point he goes we think it was you Right, you know just because the it looks like a smaller person Also in the video doesn't look like AJ, he was a big, burly guy. And the murder uniform's on your passenger seat. Yeah, we also found that.

Well, they said, quote, we think it was you. She takes up, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in an interrogation. We think it was you. She takes a long pause and goes, thanks? The best I can describe it is thanks dot dot dot question mark. That's thanks That's the honest response to we think that you're the murderer in the video. Thanks. It's not like they said There's this really sexy murderer like smoking hot bod like all this stuff. I'm pretty sure it's you. Thanks, but not me

Your ex-boyfriend's dead and the murderer had great tits. We think it's you. We think it's you. Looking at you and looking at the video, you gotta rack the die for us, sweetheart, I'm telling you. Uh, thanks? Thanks? And they're like, and the cop is like taking it back.

He's gotta just, I'm surprised he didn't go, hold on a minute, and go out and tell everybody what just happened. Could you believe she just said thanks? Look at the Colorado murderers giving that one word that's the dumbest fucking thing they could have said. Thanks. Yeah, exactly. Sweet and thanks. Sweet and thanks.

It's fucking crazy. Yeah, he's total Chris Watts here. So they ask, you were your boyfriend. And they said, your car is there, your techs say you're guilty. They tell her they're going to do a GSR test on her and they said have you handled any firearms lately? And she says, um, no. Then she goes, I don't know if I should, should I be asking for an attorney or I don't know how you go about that or what I should be saying right now. And he goes, well, you want an attorney, you can have an attorney.

We'll stop right now. And she goes, yeah, I think I should have one. And they go, okay. And they leave the room. And then a postal inspector comes in. Now, the postal inspector, whether she's asked for an attorney or not, can still talk to her because this is about work.

This has nothing to fucking do with the murder, even though it's all about the murder too. But he's going in and asking her about her work shit, which has nothing to do with that. So he enters the room. It's work related. And this guy acts like he's just, he goes, I don't know what's going on here, I'm just trying to, you know, maybe you can help me, you know

what I mean? I don't know, you probably know more about these scanners than I do. Do you happen to have the scanner because you're fired? Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and take your employee ID. She said she went to the residence for lunch around 12 p.m., she knows the access code to get into AJ's home, so she entered the code, went into the residence on her own. She said they had pizza rolls and water that he cooked for her, which we know is a lie because he's at Hooters. She said that she and AJ argued while she was there and that AJ left in his vehicle, which was described as a big truck, and she said she went

in her postal vehicle, sat in it and cried for a while and then went back to work. and she said she went in her postal vehicle, sat in it and cried for a while, and then went back to work. So she said, yeah, as her boyfriend's day off, she always went there to spend lunch with him, you know, because he lives with his wife and all. So pizza rolls and arguing. She said she does own firearms, I'm sorry,

but doesn't know where they are at her house. I don't know where my, I have a five-year-old, but I don't know where I keep my guns. I'm not sure. I keep a five year old and loose guns around the house. That's how this works. I know where my kid is, but not my gun. Not my guns.

She said in November, 2020, she went to a shooting range and she shot a long gun and she didn't know what kind. And she said she is familiar with guns and has shot firearms in the Past they asked did she have her cell phone with her the whole time. She said yes, nobody borrowed her phone She's the only one also she says to access her car that day She's the only one who drives it and she has the only set of keys that she knows of she doesn't even know where the other ones are

This all comes to a head without her confessing or her doing anything and they're just like well I guess that by the way she could have gotten up and left at any point in this she was not under arrest Rather than keep looking guilty. She could have said I'm taking my son and going home fuck you and she would have absolutely been within Her rights to do that, but she did but she seemed to know her rights. Yeah, she didn't want to hear him so AJ they get him in there and AJ says, okay, fine, I'll tell you everything. Oh, yeah, he does. He initially denies it, but then he says he dropped her off at work and then drove around. He said he talked with Devin multiple times on the phone that morning because she had spoken of killing Schaefer and he was trying to persuade her not to go through with it

that's what he said he then said that he was trying to warn Jason about Devin's plan to hurt him that's why he was following him around never stopped and told him or anything but just following him around yeah he's got it there's a couple packages there I don't want to bother him with that. Oh, that looks heavy. When the police asked why he didn't call the police if he thought that Devin was going to hurt Jason, he said that quote, he didn't know if she was serious. I don't fucking know. He said that he told detectives that the threats to harm Jason had been going on for a while

and they didn't seem as serious as on previous occasions. He's wow. He said, except for the three days before the shooting when Devin messaged him a picture of herself dressed in clothes similar to those of the shooting suspect, the cop said, so, you know, yeah. That was sent to him three days earlier. So according to this, Richie said that he took it upon himself

to drive to Longmont and find Jason's truck and wait to confront Devin. He was gonna wait and go, no, you go back in your car, Devin. You don't do that. You, this is bad. So he admitted to following the truck, the most the mail truck most of the morning waiting outside Jason's apartment during his break. And while he waited, he was on the phone with Devin, who he said told him that she wasn't gonna harm Jason. He said then he briefly spoke to Devin warning him, or briefly spoke to Jason warning him to watch out for Devin.

He told police that at that point he felt he had quote, done all he could. I did all I could and went back to Loveland and that was that. So the cop said there was extensive thought that went into this murder. Devin's plant gonna plant her cell phone and her mail Tracker up at AJ's house and as soon as she knows that the last location for Jason that she has a good idea where he's gonna Be she gets down to Longmont from Loveland and this happens So she left the tracker devices there at Jason's and then went out in broad daylight and murdered somebody on 45 different cameras.

Not smart. So she thought about technology very briefly, but not much more of that. Forgot about the ring doorbell. Forgot about all that shit. So by the way, they arrest her, they arrest AJ obviously. While she's in jail, there's another ex-boyfriend by the way who she's still sort of seeing here. His last name is Castaneda. And the detective asked her during

the interrogation, was it AJ? Did Castaneda do this? And she's like, why would you even bring him up? Castaneda. And he's like, I don't know, it's one of your boyfriends. Maybe you got him to do it or maybe he was mad about Jason or something and she's like no Like I don't even talk to him like that's silly So as soon as she's in jail, she's talking to him every day on the phone by the way this castaneda guy Who's a complete this guy is a fucking tool There their jail phone calls are on YouTube with video They did not with video. You get to see their faces. So you can see him crying

the entire phone call while she is just like not she has no emotion stone-faced and and just like trying to get him to help her. So basically they got on the phone because he's telling her that I don't know if you saw yet but what just came out today AJ confessed to everything and let it out and He gave the police a picture of you in the outfit that the murder place And she's just silent. She goes Dude he tells she said that he just tells her everything that AJ told the cops and her response is quote, I'm sorry you had to hear all that on the news. She's cold.

What? She's cold, man. Yeah, and he says, I just wish I could have seen you again. And she says, I know, I wish I could see you too. And she goes, are you going to be okay? And he said, no. This is real bad. And she says, I'm sorry, I wish I knew what to say to make it better.

Say you didn't kill this person, and yeah. I wish I could make your situation better, but it's getting worse, and it's not your job to make this better, you know, like that kind of thing. And so she says, though, I'm sorry of thing. And so he says, she says, though, I'm sorry you're hurting. And he says, I love you. And she says, I love you. This is there. No relationship, according to her. And and I think she says, you don't have to say it if you don't want to. And he goes, I do. I want to. And she says, I know, I'm sorry. I wish I could fix

things for you. And she said, I don't like seeing you upset. And no, I don't want to and she says I know I'm sorry. I wish I could fix things for you and She said I don't like seeing you upset and oh no I don't want to use the kid's name at all because he's still definitely a minor and her son's having a hard time because it's In the actual thing, but we won't use his name because that's crazy Having a hard. I know you're having a hard time and she he says yeah I'll still call you every day if you don't you know and she says you don't have to if you don't want to and he says well. I know it's hard for you right now And then he's like so what we what do you want me to do with your stuff? What do you want me to do with all your stuff? She's still on the outside. Yeah, this guy. Yeah, it's her ex-boyfriend And he had nothing to do with this AJ's arrested in jail, but this guy isn't he's not arrested

So she's got her ex-ex boyfriend Doing her bidding for her on the outside. He's like I'll go clean out your stuff in your apartment Where do you want? What do you want me to do? And she says just sell what you want just try to keep the jewelry and those personal things that you know I like everything else can go. It's really not that important And yeah in case I get out she's at one point goes, because I'm not going to see you for 25 years now. It's fucking amazing. He's like an eight year old.

Yeah. So they have a postal procession. They have 47 postal trucks ride Schaeffer's mail route as a parade. What? Yeah, they take 47 postal vans and they do a memorial Procession his doing his exact mail route every day, which is hilarious. I I don't mean to laugh. This poor guy is a fucking but that's hilarious Jason would go guys calm down chill. You don't need to do that. I don't go around the block

I'm seven. I don't need 47 trucks going down my street. That's crazy. Yeah, you're like, what the hell is going on out there? Are we being invaded by the post office? What's happening? Are they a military force now? Guys, the post office is taking over. Be careful.

Sorry, my wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys. It's my addiction. Oh, Christ. That's amazing. So his mom speaks at the memorial and says, one thing I've learned through all of this is that he was like a little hummingbird, a butterfly.

He just brought so much joy and whimsy to all of us. She said, I thought, yeah, she said, I thought it was me, I would listen for the sound of his old mail car. And all the residents were there, too. One person said, this answered nothing. It wrecked everybody. It wrecked her family, his family, people around him. None of this is an answer, meaning the shooting. Postal workers recalled him as a great softball player on the

post office team and a good friend. One guy said it's been a week and I'm like are you on long vacation? I've been wanting, I've been waiting for a text and be like to be like I'm so sorry I can't believe all these people came out so Devin goes to trial here and her defense is that well the prosecution is saying that she's upset because he was dating her sister duh pussity stuff you know you can take the rest from there. The defense said that Devin was corrupted by AJ. Oh, that's the real culprit here is AJ. They said, quote, Ms. Shriner is not a murderer. She was the weapon, but she was AJ Richie's weapon. Is that right?

Even though all the motivation to kill belongs to her, not him. He He's a he's married. He has no time for this shit So wandering around following the guy that's it's his day off on Wednesday It's when he usually fucks his girlfriend instead. He'll do some The defense said that yeah, she that he's corrupted her. So they also said that That AJ had groomed her since she was a child and that they met when she was 13 and he was 20. I don't know when a sexual relationship started,

but that's when they met. So they show all of that mountain of evidence, of technological evidence, and it is guilty. I mean, there's no way out of this shit. She doesn't. You can watch her on the video doing it. So, at sentencing, she declined to speak, then moved toward a corner and shielded her face from view

as the impact statements were read. She stood in the corner. Not good. Jason's parents here, the mother, Jason's mother called the son's murder a living nightmare She said her family's lives have been destroyed forever and her grandson is now living with relatives in Connecticut She said I have not slept since his murder our lives have always have been destroyed He does not deserve the son does not deserve to be about without a father Jason's father said you can hug your son

But I can't hug mine due to your calculated actions Jason's father said, you can hug your son, but I can't hug mine due to your calculated actions. And the judge says, I got some calculated actions for you. You man may fuck off life without parole. Oh boy. Dick eating line starts that way. How many women are serving that? That is a lot.

That's what I mean. This is, this is cold, man. This is fucking cold. So during the trial, they bring AJ to trial too. And during the trial, they show his cell phone being tracked along the route. And I mean, he's just as obviously guilty as she is. And there's even a text that's read among several,

but this is the jewel of the text here that he had sent her about a month ago that said, quote, you could just kill them both and make it look like they killed each other. Meaning Jason and the sister Rosa. And closing statements, they described him as the eyes and ears of Devin Shriner's murder operation and he is found absolutely guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to use sir may fuck off life without parole.

Correctional officer in prison in prison Hopefully for him not that prison so so they said with with today's built guilty verdict the two people responsible for this premeditated and Cold-blooded murder will be held fully responsible for killing Jason Schaeffer while he was delivering mail They said the two robbed Jason's family and the US and US postal colleagues of a beloved son father and friend not the postal colleagues So this is horrible the guy seemed like a nice guy and that definitely didn't deserve to be murdered while he's Delivering no one deserves to be killed at work. That's terrible. No not a word do it in the off time for Christ's sake So there you go. There's longmont. There's a crazy story gonna do the end real quick here cuz we're running late Definitely shut up and give me murder.com tickets for 19 is the 420 virtual live show

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