Small Town Murder - #577 - Behind A Serial Killer's Mask - Lenexa, Kansas

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Starting point is 00:00:37 and strange perversions. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy y y y you folks so much for joining us today on another. Oh, yeah, indeed Jimmy. Yay. Indeed. My name is James Petragallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another Absolutely crazy edition of small town murder. We have another serial killer this week Didn't plan on having two within three weeks of each other with Haddon Clark a couple weeks ago or whatever But this is a completely different guy than Haddon Clark like couldn't be more different. This is almost like this is almost like if BTK like had social skills this is who he would be put it that way. Yeah you know BTK was weird nobody liked him. If he was a good con man he would be this guy. This would be his dream would be to be this guy.

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Starting point is 00:03:16 athletes singing songs, we have Chris Weber rapping, more of Manny Pacquiao doing whatever the hell he was doing. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Then for small town murder, we we have an amazing crazy con man, a guy from New York City from the 1980s named Lewis Carlucci, otherwise known as Con Juan or the Con Man Casanova, who had like multiple wives and like he had all this crazy stuff going on in the 80s and no one knew who he really was. He had like aliases and he was like this weird phantom ghost who just extracted money from people. It's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:03:51 We'll talk about that and more. Patreon.com slash crime in sports and you get a shout out at the end of the show as well. That said disclaimer, this is a comedy show everybody. Now that doesn't mean the story isn't true Sadly every detail of the stories are insanely true. That's the crazy thing about these murders is there's no need to make anything up It's all insane and you might go. Well, how does that make it? How's that funny? Well, there's a lot of stuff That's funny. Obviously the murder itself isn't funny There's nothing funny about dismembering somebody and you know stuffing them into your crawlspace Health isn't funny, there's nothing funny about dismembering somebody and stuffing them into your crawlspace, that's not really funny. But to sit and go, well, if I buy enough air fresheners, nobody will smell the body that

Starting point is 00:04:31 I stuffed into my small crawlspace. That's funny. That's undeniably funny. So that's where that comes from. What we don't do is we never make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why James? Because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. There you have it.

Starting point is 00:04:47 See how that works? It's very good. So if you think that true crime and comedy should never go together, maybe we're not for you, but if you want to hear a crazy story, I think we are for you, and I think you want to hear this. And either way, no complaining later. That said, I think it's time to sit back everybody Let's all clear the lungs here, and let's all shout

Starting point is 00:05:11 shot Bang give me Murder Let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip shall we let's do this. We are going to Lenexa, Kansas Yeah, Lenexa l e n e x a Lenexa which sounds like it sounds like a brand of a printer from the 90s. Oh, I got a Lenexa bubble bubble jet Lenexa It's real good. Yeah, like a dandruff shampoo Got some flakes there Jimmy. You should really try some Lenexa

Starting point is 00:05:43 It's re seeds where the hair fell out. I think it's really good for you. It encourages growth. It encourages, promotes growth. It's in northeastern Kansas, it's about 20 minutes to Kansas City, it's a suburb outside of KC, about three and a half hours to Kingman, Kansas which is our last Kansas episode which was called Dead with No Head, which I don't know, I usually don't rhyme in the titles, but apparently I went with a rhyme that time. It's not a good way to be.

Starting point is 00:06:10 No, good episode though, I know that. This is in Johnson County, area code 913, and their motto, I really hope they didn't pay a company to come up with this when they were branding, I hope not, quote, I like Lenexa. That's it, I like Lenexa Is it because Eisenhower is from Kansas and I Like I like Ike was the his slow. Is that why they're doing it you think probably?

Starting point is 00:06:37 Maybe a little bit of history of this town here 12 years before it was even platted James Butler Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick,

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Starting point is 00:06:57 Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, Hick, The claim was filed in 1857 and it was not far from the Kansas River and was 20 miles southwest of Westport, Missouri, which was the start of the Santa Fe Trail. In 1858, Hickok was elected as one of the first four constables of nearby Monticello

Starting point is 00:07:16 Township. So here's reviews. Five stars. I like Lenexa. Okay. We've been told. This may be the city's motto, but it holds true for every one I've spoken to that lives in Lenexa. She's doing a door-to-door survey on this, canvassing.

Starting point is 00:07:34 Yeah, just checking if you like it. From the food to the beautiful nature, Lenexa is a place no one will ever forget. Lenexa gets the credit for the food food huh, I guess so two stars. I hate the weather here It's always either too hot or too cold Humid and always very windy the temperature always fluctuates during the seasons and the day It could be snowing one day in May and the next day It'll be 70 degrees that sounds like the Midwest in the spring. Colorado's the same way, it's the same shit. Sounds like

Starting point is 00:08:08 anywhere where it snows. Yeah it happens. People in this town, 56,755. It's grown a good amount in the last 20 years, a lot, which is after our story took place. There's more males than females here, which is odd. It's a strange thing, slightly, but more. The median age here, it's so average. The median age is 38.3. In the nation, it's 38.4. So they're right on.

Starting point is 00:08:36 It's a very kind of a lot of married families and shit here. 58% married, it's 50-50 in the rest of the country. Race in this town, 79.7% white, 5.3% black, 3.8% Asian, and 8.4% Hispanic. Religious, 56% religious in this area too. Oh, that's steep, isn't it? And the most are Catholic somehow. I don't know how. 19.5, we snuck in there I guess. Yeah, that's odd. Catholics are the Baptists of I don't even know Missouri Kansas the Midwest the the wheat the wheat belt I

Starting point is 00:09:11 Guess will say Unemployment rate is very low here three point two percent which is even lower than the national average, which is pretty low median household income very high here to median household income very high here too. 96,477 dollars a year. Well what is that about? That's a lot, it's just a wealthy little suburb. It's beautiful, yeah. Yeah, you can, it's 20 minutes to Kansas City

Starting point is 00:09:32 if you don't wanna live in Kansas City and I guess I'm sure there's more crime, probably smaller properties, stuff like that. You don't wanna, you wanna avoid him at all costs usually. You wanna avoid Joe Buck. The shampoos with Lenexa. Absolutely. Cost of living, that's how he got all his hair back. The cost of living here, it is 106 out of 100, so a little bit higher than the average. The median home cost is actually higher than the national average which you wouldn't expect for suburban Kansas but median home cost here 404,300 bucks which seems a little bit steep but let's

Starting point is 00:10:12 find out what they have here with the Lenexa Kansas real estate report. Average two bedroom rental here goes for $1400 a month which is above the average. Here's a three bedroom, two bath, 1100 square foot house. Not that big of a house really at all. It's a standard little ranch house inside, pretty dull. Everything's about 10, 15 years old. It's, you know, it's fine. 285,000 bucks though for that. Which seems. It's livable, but it's nothing.

Starting point is 00:10:53 It seems a little high to live in Kansas. I don't know. Here's a five bedroom, five baths. So T-bowl for each and every bee hole right here. 3,400 square, six square feet. So good size house. It's really weird, though. The they've done the inside like, you know, redid it and all.

Starting point is 00:11:14 And it's very strange. Let me show you a picture of the kitchen. Look at the back. It's got the black countertop. Oh, that weird. It's that little subway. It's little, little black subway tiles. Yeah. Little tiny white grout. You got to break that up, dude. It's that little subway. It's little little black subway tiles. Yeah little tiny white grass It's got to break that up dude. It's weird man. It's a it looks like static It looks like a TV set TV snow because it's why I can see they have like a small

Starting point is 00:11:36 They have like one black subway tile the next to it is like one that's black and gray and they mix them all together That's why it does. Yeah. Yeah, it, it looks like, no, there's like snow. It looks like there's no channel coming in here. Yeah. No good. No good. So a 600,000 bucks for that though. Really? Yeah. No land, just a small plot. 3,500 square feet of house.

Starting point is 00:11:58 It's a good house. Good amount of house, but that's expensive. Here's a four bedroom, five bath. So T-bowl for all your bee holes, again, 4,150 square feet, so big old house. It's pretty nice actually inside. I mean, it's an expensive, nice house. It has a golf simulator in there, like a big golf simulator thing, like at one of those

Starting point is 00:12:19 bars where douche bags go. Where you just drill balls into the screen. Yeah, yeah, and pretend like you're golfing while you're drunk So I mean it's got a lot of nice touches a lot of like clearly like expensive touches And that's a good thing because it's two million five hundred thousand dollars for that house so you have to play like on the You have to play like on the Royals or like on the Chiefs offensive line or something to fucking afford that Two million two million dollars things the taxes here have to be goddamn rock bottom

Starting point is 00:12:51 I would imagine and I can't imagine there'd be much of a property taxes to the roof. No, no No, people would leave there. Yeah, there's there's not a lot holding people to Kansas I would think because you could just move to Missouri or there's a lot of states to move around to also. Right here. Yeah. So. Jump on the river and flow downstream away. I'll just float to Louisiana if I have to.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Things to do here, the Great Lenexa BBQ Battle. We're going to have a fucking throw down right now. Yeah. Who's in? Hundreds of pit masters compete in the great Lenexa barbecue battle each year. The battle is the state's largest barbecue competition, which pit masters in 1984 governor John Carlin declared at the official Kansas state championship. This is the official here. This is a big

Starting point is 00:13:41 one. This tells you you can have the best ribs in the state governor decreed so they hosted it sanctioned by the Kansas City barbecue society oh yeah masterpiece themselves they um they have a lot of power you have no idea they can have you thrown in jail for nothing really they have the power to ticket vehicles just in Kansas City the barbecue really rules the roost. I mean anything. Hanging up on charges. Anything could happen.

Starting point is 00:14:09 So it started in 82 with 12 teams and 12 judges and no prize money. Now it attracts 200 teams of grill people and the grand champion wins $3,000, which doesn't seem like a lot for 200 teams competing for. If you took $20 per team. Well, think about what it costs to go there with all your stuff. To make like a bunch of barbecue, you gotta buy all the meat, which is expensive,

Starting point is 00:14:36 all the sauce, you gotta make that, you gotta fucking, you're gonna smoke it or whatever, you gotta get all that shit, and you gotta carry it there, get a trailer. Three grand doesn't seem, you're barely breaking even probably even if you win. Depends on how far you came from too, because if you've got a truck dragging a trailer with your pit boss on the back. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:55 That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of gas to get there and back. Fuck yeah. The judging begins at 1130 and the results shared around 430 p.m. Competition day is focused on the contest activities for kids will be available it says. So they won't be able to handle the pure competition that's happening here. We'll have a bouncy house. And honey and mesquite and applewood. You better get your kid out of here. Now let's say barbecue isn't your thing. No.

Starting point is 00:15:23 Maybe you're not maybe you're on a diet or you got some health problems. Well, then you can wanna go to the spinach festival instead. Oh, yeah. You can't get two more opposite festivals than the spinach festival. What is it? The barbecue. Steamed, creamed, and sour.

Starting point is 00:15:36 And right out of the can Popeye style. That's the only way to get all spinach. And squeeze the can into your mouth. Those are the... Can squeeze. Can squeeze spinach. So they say the family oriented Lenexa spinach festival, because you know the kids, there's nothing more they like than spinach.

Starting point is 00:15:56 Can't get them to stop eating it. You gotta hide the spinach in the house when the kids are around. Packed with food, music, entertainment, hands-on activities and craft vendors, experience the world's largest spinach salad. Oh boy. That's an excuse. See, not see it, experience it. You experience the spinach salad.

Starting point is 00:16:15 You don't fucking see it. Holy shit. You can also submit your favorite dish to our recipe contest. There's plenty to do for everyone in the family, it says here. So your recipe contest, you can either do an appetizer, salad, entree, or dessert. There's four categories. You prepare your best spinach recipe and turn it into at the Lion's Shelter.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Turn it out. Turn it in and turn it out. Local restaurants and food establishments are invited to provide a spinach dip for the event. Okay, oh, there's dip too, I forgot about that. Yeah there's definitely a dip here. Festival patrons may sample the dips and vote for their favorite. A winner will be chosen for the cold spinach dip and hot spinach dip categories. Cold is gross, hot is good. Hot has cheese in it. That's good.

Starting point is 00:17:02 Cold is just like sour cream. Congealed weird shit. Yeah, that's not as good. Yeah, I don't like that. So winners receive a green ribbon, of course. Oh yeah. Instead of the blue ribbon. You know. You know. Crime rate in this town,

Starting point is 00:17:15 what we're interested in here is, it's not bad here. Property crime is about one quarter below the national average. So a little bit low and then violent crime, murder, rape, crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average Wow So a pretty damn safe little town going on here. I would say that said let's talk about some absolute Horrors that happened around here and all around the area Wow, okay. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about a guy here. And this case, a lot of other shows have covered this.

Starting point is 00:17:49 It's one of those, he's a serial killer, so a lot of people have covered his stuff. And I've had this guy on the list since about 2017, when we started this fucking thing. He was one of the first people I put on the list, and somehow haven't done it. I don't know how it never happened. It was always like, oh, we'll get to that guy,

Starting point is 00:18:07 we'll get to that guy, and then a lot of other people did it, but we're gonna do it because we're gonna put our spin on it and also, you know, not only that, there's no spin to put on it, we're just gonna talk about it in a different way than other people do. Do it in our way, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:18 So let's talk about John Edward Robinson III, he is. The third, yeah. He'll go by senior later on, but he's the third. What? Yeah, cause he'll have a kid and name him after himself, and then he's a junior, and now he's a senior, even though he was a third before. You call that kid Quad, right?

Starting point is 00:18:37 Nope, he's junior now, we're starting over. Starting over. He's born December 27th, 1943. He is from Cicero, Illinois So that's a colorful town Cicero. It's you know, especially back then it's known for its mob ties and everything like that He is the third of five children. So right smack in the middle middle child who probably the quiet one and He's gonna turn into this his parents are Alberta and Henry Robinson

Starting point is 00:19:11 So he wasn't named after his dad the third game from somewhere else Dad was drunk like all the time. Yeah, which a drunk a drunk and drunk Both I'm drunk a drunk drunk Which I mean back then who the fuck knows if he was in World War two or is from the depression or If he worked in a field or something, I mean, you know Anything could happen here mom was not around a lot She was absent from what I heard but she was the one who doled out the discipline, but then she wasn't there a lot So it's kind of feast or famine when it comes to that mom's home. She's in charge of everything If mom's not home you run wild so it's either locked down completely or do whatever the fuck you want, which is

Starting point is 00:19:47 a weird, real weird thing for a kid to have, I would imagine here. Now in 1955, when he's, you know, what, eight years old or I'm sorry, shit, seven, 13 years old, he joins the Boy Scouts. Okay. And he joined the Boy Scouts. He was sponsored by the Holy Name Society of Mary Queen of Heaven Roman Catholic Church. That's a long, a lot of name. It's quite the handle you got there. It doesn't really roll off the tongue. So the fall of 1957, he was accepted into the Quigley preparatory seminary This is a five-year course for young men who planned to become priests later So he gets into this when he's 14 and he's supposed to be 19 come out of it and go into the priesthood

Starting point is 00:20:37 He picked that at 14 years or teen. It's a weird thing. There's a lot of people like this that Start there and end up and end up murderers for some reason we cover this all the time or and it's not It's not it's it's a certain age Like if they have this like I want to be a priest or a pastor or something at like 14 or 15 It seems to me that they turn out weird later That's what seems to they seem to turn out weird later that's what seems to they seem to turn out weird later then the religion isn't a part of them later either that's the other thing they're not even religious they're just going against it yeah real weird so november 1957 he

Starting point is 00:21:16 was named an eagle scout oh so yeah that's a big deal the eagle scout by by my house the fire department puts up the names of the new eagle scouts as they happen on the sign the marquee congrats to you know Just be like you know little Billy Johnson for he's our newest Eagle Scout. Okay Yeah way to go he's gonna learn how to tie knots but not around anybody because they won't be anybody else around but not around anybody, because they won't be anybody else around. Yeah, those are chick-repelling knots. Oh, God. So he was, everybody said he was very pompous after the ceremony.

Starting point is 00:21:53 He turned into a real douchebag. Really? Yeah, a little bit of something, a little bit of recognition. He was like, you're all beneath me. I'm an Eagle Scout. I'll never get laid. So late November 1957 as an Eagle Scout he travels to London to sing for the Queen of England. She wants to hear Eagle Scout sing huh? It's a big Boy Scout thing there's 120 Boy Scouts they send

Starting point is 00:22:21 over. Judy Garland is there with him as well. Well, she was about to be dead. Oh shit, she lived for another 30 fucking years. Did she? The 50s? Yeah, she was around till the 80s I think. Didn't she die in the 80s or something, I thought? Maybe not, I don't know. I don't know. She's Michael Jackson's favorite person's mom, right? Liza? Liza's mom, yeah. Liza Minnell's mom, yeah. Yeah, she was a mess, Judy Garland. She had a, that's a harrowing fucking childhood when you hear what happened to her. You're like, she was a mess Judy Garland. She had a that's a harrowing fucking childhood

Starting point is 00:22:45 We hear what happened to her. You're like, she was basically just given to a studio They're like here you go. Just drug her and make her diet and drug her do whatever you want to her Yeah, and don't tell anybody don't send her back to the farm, please Yeah, so he was the youngest American ever to appear at the home of London vaudeville youngest American ever to appear at the home of London vaudeville. He led 120 boy scouts onto the stage of the palladium theater for a royal command performance. Then Judy Garland came up and gave him a kiss. Wow. Got a kiss from Dorothy. What the hell?

Starting point is 00:23:22 Then Britain's Gracie fields, who was a very famous lady, uh, came and hugged him and talked to him. And then he bowed to Queen Elizabeth. What a day. He met Judy Garland in her dressing room before the show and said, we Americans gotta stick together, and she said, you're right about that. And he said, I wasn't scared, but I was surprised all right about how much circumstance there is to the whole thing. He also told the actress Gracie Fields

Starting point is 00:23:47 that he planned to study for the priesthood in Chicago. So he's over there hanging out with, I mean this is quite the thing. No one when I was a teenager ever sent me to another country to sing for royalty. Like it just never happened. So apparently he can sing too. He's a member during high school,

Starting point is 00:24:05 a member of the Cardinals Cathedral Choristers, which is a group that sang at Sunday Mass at Chicago's Holy Name Cathedral. Beautiful, that's a big one. Yeah, so I mean he's one of the top child church singers in the country. Yeah, this kid praises like nobody. He's crushing it, yeah. He can, and it's Catholic shit, so he kid, this kid praises like nobody. He's crushing it.

Starting point is 00:24:25 Yeah, he can send it's Catholic shit. So he can sing Latin hymns like nobody. Like he really busted out at the Quigley's preparatory seminary. He's a shit student though. So he wants to be a priest and he looks all perfect from the outside, but he can carry a tune in that smokey bucket, but nothing else. He's like an apple that like looks fine. and then you go to touch it and the skin is there But it's just liquid inside and you touch it. It's just bad turns to shit. That's what he is That's what he is, but the skin looks fine. That's that's John here. We'll go by JR a lot by the way John Robinson JR yeah, and then that could be Junior either, but not Junior, JR.

Starting point is 00:25:07 He got, it was also a discipline problem at the preparatory seminary. As most, as you know, priests are known to be brawlers first, that's what they do. Real rude rule breakers. You get in there, you go, you love God? Yeah, you wanna serve him, yeah? How's your right hand?

Starting point is 00:25:20 It's not bad, all right, come on in. You're good. Priest Fight Club is something I want to watch. See you throw them. Yeah. I'll watch that movie. Priest Fight Club. He got into squabbles and shoving matches with classmates and spent a lot of time in

Starting point is 00:25:36 detention. He ends up leaving Quigley after his freshman year. So much for that apparently. He finishes high school at a regular high school and then in 1961 he enrolled at Morton Junior College in Cicero to train to become a medical x-ray tech. So that's a good job, it's a good steady job and people need x-rays. Couldn't be more different than the priesthood. Yeah, yeah, totally different. He wanted to become a doctor now, he decided. I'm gonna do this, then I'll be a doctor.

Starting point is 00:26:13 He wants to be God. Yeah, I don't know, should I talk to God or be God? Which one? Which one should I be? So he ends up dropping out after two years though, because, you know, and this who said he was gonna be a doctor You're gonna go to medical school and then residency. He couldn't remember job. He could Joe you're gonna remember how to treat fucking no

Starting point is 00:26:34 Emphasis he couldn't fucking finish x-ray tech school, which I'm sure is hard But it's probably not as hard as becoming a full-fledged doctor. That's probably a lot of work I would think so he drops out of there and we'll talk about what he does with that. But in 1964, he moves to Kansas City from Chicago area and marries a girl named Nancy Jo Lynch. Nancy will be his wife for a shocking amount of time. A shocking amount of time. When I finally say what happens in their marriage you're gonna go

Starting point is 00:27:05 She was still around what the fuck? Holy shit. What took her so long so 1965 he gets his first job as an x-ray tech Okay, but the problem is he never finished training in tech school So how'd he get the job? He didn't say he didn't finish. He said he finished. Yeah, he just lied. He was hired by Children's Mercy and General Hospital, which is what he... Nice.

Starting point is 00:27:33 At least it's nobody important's gonna get fucked up by this. It's just injured children, that's all. This is terrible, man. Just people with their whole lives ahead of them. No problem. He displayed fake diplomas and fake recommendation letters from Morton.

Starting point is 00:27:48 What the fuck? From the school. He told them he needed a night job while he attended medical school during the day, because he's going to become a doctor. So wow. He was fired after they figured out that not only did he not have a diploma or anything, he had no fucking idea what

Starting point is 00:28:03 he was doing. It's not like he knew how to do it and was like, I just don't want to go to school. He didn't know how to do it. He wasn't good at it. So he's one of the paycheck for being a quote unquote doctor. That's it. So around this time, Nancy gives birth to their first child. And of course he's John Jr. You got to this, this ego is going to, that kid's named after me.

Starting point is 00:28:28 During this time, he's totally unfaithful to Nancy this entire time, by the way. Every job he has, he's fucking every woman in it. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure he was fucking half the hospital staff and everything else. He would go out to bars after work and hang out all night. Well, Nancy took care of the kids, which was semi-normal actually back then for guys to do that. But known to have many girlfriends, not just like one night stands here or there. He's got like girlfriends on the side. He thinks he's a gangster

Starting point is 00:28:54 or something, this guy. Relationships. Yeah, he's a failed x-ray tech and he thinks he's a gangster. So in 1966, he's hired by Dr. Wallace Graham as an x-ray tech at the Fountain Plaza x-ray lab. Imagine this. You help your little brother land a great job abroad, but when he arrives, the job doesn't exist. Instead, he's trapped in a heavily guarded compound, forced to sit at a computer and scam innocent victims, all while armed guards stand by with shoot-to-kill orders.

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Starting point is 00:30:57 come join us. If you'd like to know more and secure your spot, visit exhibitccruise.com for presale information. Okay, Robinson, again, still doesn't know how to do X-rays, but he's very good at stealing. He's really good at that. Is he hot? No, he's a charmer boy. He's a salesman and a fucking charmer. That's what he's, that's what he is. That's why I mean, he's the opposite of Haddon Clark from a couple of weeks ago,

Starting point is 00:31:24 who was, you know, like ago, who was like a weird, like recluse homeless man. This guy is the opposite of that. This is who BTK would dream to be. Just dream about it. So what he does, he steals and embezzles from this man, drains the practices bank account within six months. Just takes everything.

Starting point is 00:31:44 Also engaged in several sexual encounters with not only the entire office staff, but several patients as well. What? Dude. Yeah, this guy. That'll get us all in trouble. You can't do that.

Starting point is 00:31:59 Man, he is plowing every beehive hairdo in this joint. It's 66, this is crazy shit. He even bragged to the doctor's 15 year old son that he had a, was leading a double life and he had sex with all these women. He told the son that he liked to go to a club that what he called male transvestites went to. That's a cool club. He likes to go to that club. 1969, he's arrested. And that is for embezzling $33,000 from the practice. What year? 1960, and he did that in 66.

Starting point is 00:32:35 So that's a shitload of money back then. Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money. That'll, they'll notice that. That's like 300 grand now. Like, yeah, you're getting, you're going to jail for that shit, or you're at least getting arrested He was convicted of theft and was sentenced to you sir may certainly fuck off three years of probation Because it's his first offense he hasn't done anything so you know he said ah man I got carried away

Starting point is 00:32:59 So 1970 he gets a job with mobile oil Corp. So Mobile. Yeah. Yeah. He's arrested again for his work on this job after he stole 6200 stamps. Stamps are non-traceable. Something you can sell. Yeah. I mean, granted they were like 8 cents a piece back then, but still, if you have enough of them, 6 enough of them

Starting point is 00:33:26 6200 albums a lot so he made a deal with the court to pay restitution and the charge was dropped to a misdemeanor it's very good at getting out of shit too because he seems very upstanding and People who don't spend a lot of time with him or look that deep into him just go well I mean, he's got a tie on it's's tied well, and you know, he seems fine. Seems like a good guy. So then he starts selling insurance, which is perfect for this guy. Perfect gig for him.

Starting point is 00:33:55 He finds work with RB Jones Company selling insurance, moves his family back to Chicago for this, which of course, of course, breaches the conditions of his three year probation. Right, probation, you can't leave. He just doesn't tell his probation officer, so it's fine. That solves it. Yeah, you know how it goes.

Starting point is 00:34:13 But a probation officer's gonna find out about it soon because in 1971, first of all, he's crushing the insurance game. Does great. Does great, he's full of shit, this guy. He's a great salesman. Good point, yeah. And he's a great salesman. Good point. Yeah. And he's really good. A really good scammer and things like that. So he's

Starting point is 00:34:29 great at selling insurance, much like Evil Knievel was great at selling insurance. He was great at it because he's full of shit. He's a salesman. Uh huh. But he of course couldn't stop himself from stealing here. He embezzled $5,586.36 from the company. That's a lot of money. That's plenty, yeah. He, of course, was given a break by the court again when he agreed to, there's a pattern forming, I would say. He's gotta be hot.

Starting point is 00:34:56 He's not hot at all. He's later on referred to as a Pillsbury dough boy. Not hot. Not hot, no. Looks have nothing to do with this. He looks upstanding. He knows how to be like, I was gonna be a priest and I'm, you know, and he's full of shit.

Starting point is 00:35:12 The case was dropped and the Jackson County Court was reported to and ordered Robinson back to Kansas where the judge really gave it to him good, extended his three year probation for some time. Take that, more probation probation that you won't have some time that you won't pay attention to around this time Nancy gives birth to twins why terrific yeah these are not fraternal twins Christopher and Christine really Really? Really? No, not Chris and Chris the twins. That's horrible.

Starting point is 00:35:47 It's a dick way to do things. It feels like that's like a, you're just, oh god, what a shitty thing to do to people. Chris and Chris. Ugh. Poor kids, man. Not just for their names, for the rest of what happens, but they move into a bigger house in Missouri at that time as well. He'll end up having four kids with his wife all together here.

Starting point is 00:36:08 Really? Yeah. He then starts a new business. God damn it. Let's get this going. Why not? If you're full of shit, be all the way full of shit. Be an entrepreneur.

Starting point is 00:36:17 So he decides to start his own medical consulting business. Oh, he's going to consult? He doesn't have a degree in anything? He has half of x-ray school completed. He's gonna be a medical consultant. He calls the business Professional Services Association Inc. Might as well be called Generic Company Name Corp. Professional Services Association Inc. He gets a job here at the University of Kansas. He is hired by the U of Kansas Medical Center as a business consultant for its family practice department.

Starting point is 00:36:53 He has no, he doesn't know shit about medical business. But he's going to consult, so it's not a big deal. Two groups of doctors at the University of Kansas Medical School hired him to manage their financial affairs The doctor who talked to him talked to Robinson later Said quote he made a very good impression well-dressed nice-looking seemed to know a lot very glib good speaker Seemed to know a lot hair in place clean tie full of shit back then you could rule the fucking world if you come Sure hair yeah tie to tie and could speak half decent you could rule the fucking world in the 70s and 60s and really every up until the internet yeah, yeah now you can be an awkward stammering 12 year old and have fucking

Starting point is 00:37:41 700 million followers so it's a different thing now 12 year old and have fucking 700 million followers. So it's a different thing now. And get booked where we can't. They can get booked. Well, they can get booked where we want, but they'll fucking sell more tickets probably. No, they'll get booked where we can't. Where we can't, like, oh, you mean like,

Starting point is 00:37:53 like a basketball arena. Yeah. Yeah. Not where we can't get booked, where we can't sell out. That's what, yeah, where we can't sell. That would be a tough one. So the doctors dismissed him after only a few months because of irregularities in his handling of their finances

Starting point is 00:38:09 because he doesn't know how to do that at all. It's not his thing. He doesn't have a thing. He doesn't even have a degree doing that. No, so he was sending letters to potential investors in his company portraying a growing healthy company even though there's nothing. One letter suggested that Marion Laboratories,

Starting point is 00:38:29 founded by Ewing M. Kaufman, the guy who owns the Royals baseball team, Kaufman Stadium's named after, was negotiating to purchase his company from him. Never happened, obviously, because it has nothing. The guy wasn't negotiating anything. Yep. The doctor said't negotiating anything. Yep.

Starting point is 00:38:45 The doctor said they ended up letting him go because they were suspicious of him after he requested the corporation's checkbook. They were like, let's not give him our checkbook. So December 10, 1975, a federal grand jury in Missouri returns a four count indictment for securities fraud, mail fraud, and falsely misrepresenting his company PSA.

Starting point is 00:39:09 One thing that's illegal to do is mislead investors. You're not allowed to fucking do that at all. Like. Yeah, that's bad. That is fraud if you do that, because it's the money. And that includes people, potential investors, or people who've already invested. You're not allowed to lie to them.

Starting point is 00:39:25 That's an instant crime there. So May of 1976, he pleads no contest to interstate securities fraud, and he is given, oh, let's see how harsh this sentence is. You, sir, may fuck off. Fine, $2,500 and three more years probation. He's never been punished for a single thing he's done wrong. And he keeps doing the same thing over and fucking over again.

Starting point is 00:39:48 And getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah, it's not even like, I could see if it was different shit that he was doing. You go, well, I don't know. He never did that before. But this is the same thing over and over. It's obviously what he does. He's a thief more than anything. So over the next few years, they're going to move into a new house

Starting point is 00:40:02 that we'll talk about. He is going to become a scout master. Well he's an eagle scout so why not? Coaches a t-ball team. Jesus that's terrifying when you find out later what he's all about. Refereed school volleyball games between the girls, bought two horses, became a Sunday school teacher at the Presbyterian Church, even though he's Catholic. I guess it's the same story. And dressed up, he was the neighborhood Santa Claus as well. Oh. So yeah, at this point they have the dog, I have a dog, kids, a couple of horses,

Starting point is 00:40:38 they got all sorts of shit going on. So. And he's Santa Claus. He's Santa Claus. He has all the trappings of an upstanding, a Sunday school teacher, youth sports referee of an upstanding, orange slices in hand, kind of a guy right here.

Starting point is 00:40:54 He forms a new company after that, since his old one got him a federal indictment. It's called Hydro Grow, G-R-O. He gets a family he knows to invest $25,000 in it, which they're never gonna fucking see again, obviously. This company's supposed to produce hydroponic vegetables. That's what they're trying to do here. Tomatoes underwater.

Starting point is 00:41:19 Think about, and that is back in the 70s. Like they do that now, but in the 70s that was a Can you do they were doing hydroponic vegetables? I mean like they were I guess back then he's trying at least it's an idea anyway theory He produced a 64 page booklet Oh Fun with home hobby hydroponics, it's called In the book it says we hope that as you read this book, you will form an acquaintance with John Robinson as a sensitive and stimulating human being.

Starting point is 00:41:53 Through a pamphlet, that's gonna be hard. They said that he's one of the nation's pioneers in indoor home hydroponics and a sought after lecturer, consultant, and author. None of those things are true. He doesn't produce carrot one from this fucking venture. Nothing. This is just full of shit to get money from people. He needs a company.

Starting point is 00:42:16 But he's traveling. Yeah. He needs a company to be able to get people to invest in a company. He can't just say, give me money. He has to say, I got an idea. He doesn't need seed, give me money. He has to say, I got an idea. So I need seed money. No, no. Yeah, well, he would be that's perfect for that. I guess seed money.

Starting point is 00:42:30 So in 1977, that's when they buy this new house. It's a nine room house on four acres. It's a big house, a nice neighborhood called Pleasant Valley Farms. Yeah, it's very nice. It stretches west into Kansas from the Missouri border. It was one of the richest counties in the United States. This was somehow at the time. They called it a magazine called it 480 square miles of sleek suburban affluence. Look at

Starting point is 00:43:02 that. This is Lenox and Olathe is there and all that shit. So the people of Johnson County felt like they were better than the people on the trash Missouri side. It's fucking Missourians over there. Yeah. They said it's they said that when you crossed over to Kansas, the light seemed brighter, the landscape less dingy. The Kansans were richer, smarter, nicer and gentler. That's what everybody thought. So they call, they said it has vistas across rolling hills this neighborhood, which they found the only hills in Kansas. We've been through. It's not much there. You can see pretty much the

Starting point is 00:43:40 whole state from wherever you are in the state. They say strands, stands of elm and maple trees, bridal path and lake stocked with fish. Oh, boy, that sounds nice. It's only an hour away from Kansas City, too. Their new home is four levels. They have two big stone fireplaces. They have a horse stable and corral. Oh, yeah,. Not bad man. New neighbors thought he was intelligent and you know conversed knowledgeably about international

Starting point is 00:44:10 finance and business matters at local picnics. He'd be telling people about shit. World affairs. World affairs. A very worldly intelligent guy they look at him. So he also helps run the neighborhood, the HOA. You feeling kinship to him now, Jimmy? Well, a bit.

Starting point is 00:44:27 I love when I'm on the phone with you or I'm at your fucking house and you get phone calls from HOA people about HOA problems. I'm like, what are you doing? My man stepped down, James. Why are you listening to these people? Tell them to fuck yourselves. Put up a fucking fence around your house

Starting point is 00:44:41 and don't worry about their bullshit. The guy that you were talking to last time? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. He stepped down, it's Oh Jesus. Oh my god, I don't blame him. That sounded like a crazy problem he was having over the speakerphone. So he worked in his yard a lot. He installed a rail fence and a pond. His children, John, at this point he was about 14 years old, Kimberly 12 is the second kid and then the twins who were eight are all very well-behaved, good-looking, you know, green polished kids here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:12 All American, yeah. John Jr. would help his father with work around the property. Chris and Chrissy took care of the dog. Jesus, Chris and Chrissy, come on, man, took care of the dogs and cats and of their neighbors. When their neighbors would go out of town. There was like they get hired to go feed the dog.

Starting point is 00:45:29 So it's very nice here. Also he somehow he bullshits his way onto the board of directors of a local handicapped services organization. Just do it man. If you're full of shit enough back then and no one could Google you, they just had to believe you back then, that's all it was. Yeah, man, Google saved a lot, hasn't it? I mean, yeah, but it's so funny,

Starting point is 00:45:54 we have the most information ever, but yet people are the dumbest they've ever been. They know the least amount of history, they know the least amount of everything, even though they have all that information there. Yeah, Casey Anthony's out there claiming to be in law so legal advocate. Yeah, but you were Arrested. I mean at the same time she got out of she got off on that obvious fucking bullshit. Yeah, that's crazy So maybe she's the greatest legal advocate in the world. You never know. No fucker

Starting point is 00:46:24 So maybe she's the greatest legal advocate in the world. You never know. No fuck her Wow, yeah, I did well if I got off I can get anybody off because why was I guilty nice allegedly So his first act on the board was to order stationary for the group Which with he forged letters from the executive director to the mayor and from the mayor to other civic leaders inviting them to an awards luncheon honoring an anonymous recipient of the man of the year award that didn't even exist. Right. Okay. The winner turns out to be surprise surprise Robinson Jr. here. Ha. Yeah. On his own award? Absolutely. This is from the Kansas City Times newspaper on December 8th, 1977. Group for disabled honors area man.

Starting point is 00:47:11 The article reported that John Robinson, president of Hydro Grow Inc, has been named man of the year for his work with the handicapped. He just started. All he did was order stationery. He headed the board of a quote, sheltered workshop which employed disabled people, the

Starting point is 00:47:27 newspaper said. The award, a proclamation signed by the mayor of Kansas City, the whole deal. So two weeks later after this grand triumph, the newspaper reported that it was revealed that Robinson had orchestrated the award himself through a complex sequence of fake letters of recommendation that he had sent to City Hall. Wow. The Kansas City Star that afternoon here revealed the ruse in a story headlined, Man of the Year play backfires on quote unquote honoree.

Starting point is 00:48:01 That is fucking hilarious. So he's found out and everybody knows now. Yeah, that he made himself the non-existent man of the year and orchestrated this whole horse shit. And as the neighbors got to know him, they noticed that he's kind of a twat. They don't really like this guy. He's kind of a dick. Yeah, I know one of the neighbors here, Margaret Adams, who's a gardener all the time, like big into her garden, recalls that she once asked him to demonstrate his hydroponic system.

Starting point is 00:48:30 She said, yeah, show me what you got, I'm into it. He said, sure, and he was pleasant until she told him that she felt his price for the system was a little too high. Seems like you're charging a little too much. He told her, quote, you've wasted my time, you're small potatoes, and then walked away. You're ugly. Leave me alone.

Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, I don't need you. Your ass is too fat. Go away. I don't like you. It's fat and lumpy. Leave me alone. He got in almost a fist fight that had to be broken up by other neighbors over a dog that was barking.

Starting point is 00:49:02 What? He also didn't want to be a part of the neighborhood association anymore, accusing it in a formal letter of being quote invalid because in his opinion it failed to enforce some of its rules. Yeah. Invalid? Yeah, invalid. It's a bullshit. If you're not going to enforce all the rules, it invalidates the whole organization.

Starting point is 00:49:23 Doesn't exist. So, uh, he also, uh, another neighbor said he was cocky and arrogant and you needed to walk on eggs around him. Egg shells. You felt like you were not, you needed to walk on eggs. You felt like you were walking on egg shells is how that goes. You needed needed to walk on eggs. Is a, I've never heard it put that way. You needed to walk on eggs. I've never heard it put that way.

Starting point is 00:49:45 So meanwhile, he is terrible. He takes shit care of his animals. His horses are half starved to death all the time. His dog's in bad shape, and he's beating the shit out of Nancy. Everybody's walking around on eggs. Yeah, he's fucking throwing them at people. So he's beating the crap out of his wife.

Starting point is 00:50:06 Neighbors occasionally heard him yelling at his wife and children and ordering them around like he was in the military. The children would follow his orders. And the children though, later on, they'll become all good kids by the way. Really? Yeah, so that's helpful.

Starting point is 00:50:21 Nancy must have been a decent mother here. Nancy ends up beginning divorce proceedings at this point. Don't worry, it's not over. They have some counseling and then she's back in. Okay, yeah. March, 1979. He is discharged from federal probation with an excellent report from his probation officer,

Starting point is 00:50:42 obviously. He became the employee relations manager at Guy's Food, which is like, it's a subsidiary of Borden, from what I understand, what I found out here. It's a grocery store or a food distributor type of deal. He had an affair with a secretary. Well, and then she helped him embezzle thousands of dollars by inventing fake employees and cashing their checks.

Starting point is 00:51:08 What? Yeah, this secretary was in charge of adding new people to payroll and stuff like that, so he fucked her and had her add new non-existent people to payroll so he could steal. You can't do that. Yeah, he must fuck amazing, by the way. Yeah, to get somebody to do that. Yeah, he must fuck amazing by the way. Yeah to get somebody like that Incredible like man. He's slinging some fucking sword here. So the losses total more than $40,000 Part of which he spent on an apartment where he conducted sexual liaisons with two women

Starting point is 00:51:42 Who worked for Borden, the company too. I'm gonna steal money to use it for a fuck dungeon. To fuck more women in the company to hopefully be able to steal more money. What the fuck? This guy, one of the women here, that in her interrogation said, John kind of swept me off my feet.

Starting point is 00:52:01 He treated me like a queen. He always had money to take me to nice restaurants and hotels. So I figured I would get involved with a criminal enterprise with him. That's what I mean. Slinging dick. Has to be. Has to be.

Starting point is 00:52:15 December 30, 1980, he's fired from Guy's Food and charged with felony theft, submitting false vouchers and forged checks. He has to pay back over $41,000 in restitution. Jesus Christ, dude, he's just one scam after another. In the fall of 1981 he pleads guilty to a Class C felony of stealing a $6,000 check and spent 60 days in jail. Starting in May of 82.

Starting point is 00:52:44 This is the first fucking time anybody's put this guy in jail at all. 60 days though. Yeah, and it's been 15 years of constant scamming. 60 days. Jesus. So summer of 1982, he's got a new company. He's back, baby. It's called Equa Plus.

Starting point is 00:53:03 It's a consulting company. In other words, bullshit. Just bullshit. He also begins sexually propositioning many of the women in the neighborhood, which gets him into several physical fights with some of their husbands in the neighborhood. Yeah. Someone tries to fuck your wife and they live three houses away You're gonna go knock on the goddamn door. Hey, my wife said you grabbed her ass. What are we doing here? Heard you tried to fuck my wife. You heard that's a problem. Yeah How'd you like to step out in the front yard and talk about this? So wow fall of 1982 Irv Blattner Enters the picture. He becomes a partner in Not only crime but equa fucking what is, but Equa fucking, what is it,

Starting point is 00:53:48 Equa, whatever the hell it is. Equifax. Equifax, Equa bullshit. It doesn't matter. Equa Plus is what it's called. Equa Plus. They start a sister company called Equa Two, the number two. Is that a good one?

Starting point is 00:54:00 Yeah, it's a sequel. The well, really fucking fond after sequel everyone wanted it so May 1984 Irv Blattner leads Robinson here to a woman who wants a divorce Not from anyone. They know just she wants a divorce Robinson poses as an attorney He hears this lady wants a divorce so his thing is I'll pretend to be the attorney and get her to pay me money. So he promised to get her a divorce if she paid him $200 and gave him her car.

Starting point is 00:54:35 She didn't have a lot of money. She said, okay, gave him $200 and her car and obviously he did nothing for her because he's not a fucking lawyer. He didn't even go get the papers from the courthouse and at least you know try to get the ball rolling. He did nothing. He just took her car and her money. So 1984, Paula Godfrey enters the picture here. She's 19 years old and John hires her to work as a sales rep for his quote unquote company, Equiplus or or equa to he picked her up from her parents home in September To go to the airport and she was never seen again. Oh The last that her parents saw he she was getting in the car with him and then poof thin air, okay

Starting point is 00:55:22 Now summer 1984 think about it summer of 84 everybody. That's the it's like season one of stranger things You got the Olympics are going on you got Gary Coleman and punky Brewster are have a hold on a whole nation's hearts and This happens at the same time Robinson rents a duplex in the name of the company, Equi-2, and turns it into a brothel. Okay. Yeah, we gotta talk about all of this now.

Starting point is 00:55:52 Let's get into what his sexual proclivities are, because they are fuckin' wild. I didn't want this to be about his sexual proclivities completely, because he's also a scam artist and a criminal like that, but he hires Linda Stevens Jones to run the brothel and find other girls to join. Okay, the brothel specializes in rough F's and S&M sex. That's what this is about. You come there to get the shit kicked out of you. Really? Yes, that's what

Starting point is 00:56:21 he's into. Big time into BDSMM stuff and I'm talking hardcore though. He's Really into it. He'd become he also became a leading member of a secret ms&m cult called the International Council of Masters Now we've met dudes like this and they're fucking weird they're fucking weird I mean, yeah, if you need to dominant people all the time You're a weird guy. Yeah, and we've met some of the some of the young ladies who were We had a listener that was a you know she'd come to our shows and like she'd be on a leash and shit We were just very uncomfortable with the whole thing It's very weird because it seemed she was very young and he was older and it seemed to be it just seemed abusive to me

Starting point is 00:57:04 It seemed but but it's voluntary and she was an adult so it's like my circuits were all crossed as far as help this girl and none of my fucking business because you know hey this is America you can fuck who you want the way you want you're an adult. I don't know so. You can wander around looking how you want to look. You know what I'm saying but you just want to go come please I'll help you. We'll help you. We'll help you We'll get you in like an uber and you can just drive away find your father. Yeah, where's your god, please?

Starting point is 00:57:32 so Anyway, the he was the cult's a slave master and that's that'll be by the way his screen name for everything later I'll be slave master. Oh, yeah, that's his that's his nickname the slave master and Wow That's his nickname, the Slave Master. And wow, he was them and it was his job to bring people to bring a victim to meetings to be beaten and tortured and who knows what else. So January 9th, 1985, Lisa Stasi enters the picture, S-T-A-S-I or Stacey. She used to be Lisa Elvdridge, but she got married here.

Starting point is 00:58:08 She began dating Carl Stasi in June of 83, married Carl in August of 84 while she was pregnant. She gave birth to a child named Tiffany in September of 1984 at Truman Medical Center in Kansas City. After Tiffany's birth, the marriage fell apart. Carl, her husband and the kid's dad, re-enlisted in the Navy. That's a real, I'm getting the fuck out of here. He reported for duty at Great Lakes Naval Base outside Chicago in early January 1985. So it's around this time that she begins dating around the time she began dating but

Starting point is 00:58:50 not she's not dating Robinson now we'll get into that but at the time where she started dating her husband who's now in the Navy Robinson was doing something too he was trying to figure out an opportunity for adoption for his younger brother Donald and Donald's wife Helen who lived in Chicago I guess they had medical problems. They couldn't concede So at a family reunion in 1983 Donald and Helen his brother and his wife told John that they were pursuing private adoption John see I'm sure seeing some form of scam here Said he knew an adoption attorney and and he would handle the process for his brother. I'll take care of everything for you Don't worry about it

Starting point is 00:59:32 So in the fall of 84 Robinson told Donald and Helen that a baby would be available in October Baby coming up. We got an opening for a baby popping up here So Robinson here John told his brother to send him a twenty five hundred dollar cashier's check payable to Robinson's business Equit to allegedly 2500 to cover adoption related fees he said he needed because he has to shell it out Then later on John just tells his brother that that the birth mother decided not to put the kid up for adoption after all. So never mind. That's all gone. So November of 84, Robinson contacted Karen Gaddis, who is a social worker at Truman Medical Center

Starting point is 01:00:18 and told her that he and several Johnson County businessmen had developed a program to provide housing, transportation, daycare, and job training for young mothers and their babies. Babies need job training, number one, first and foremost. You've got to show them how to be a baby. Yeah, they don't even know how to do an x-ray. You know what I mean? It doesn't work. Teach you how to shit your pants.

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Starting point is 01:02:25 you find your favorite podcasts. So Robinson said he needed referrals of Caucasian women, the way he put it, because the program already had African American participants and it needed racial balance, is what he said. Too many. Too many black people. One might say. Where are some white ladies? So he said he was looking for a white woman in her teens or early 20s who had a newborn

Starting point is 01:02:49 child and was struggling or disadvantaged and had no family support or ties. You know, I'll pick them. You know, somebody that could disappear and nobody would miss. You know what I mean? Somebody like that. Take your baby. Wow. So that is is wild. January 1985, he tells Gaddis another organization, Hope House, had referred a young lady to his

Starting point is 01:03:11 program and he had placed her at a motel in Kansas. That is Lisa Stasi and her then 4 month old baby Tiffany. He told her his name was John Osborne, different name, and that's one of his aliases, and promised her a job in Chicago. And after picking Lisa and Tiffany up at the home of Lisa's sister, actually put her up in a local hotel.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Oh. Yeah, so family members saw Lisa and Tiffany in early January 1985. Carl's sister, Kathy, babysat Tiffany all the time. So on January 8th, Stacey dropped Tiffany off at her sister-in-law's house here and told her that she had met a man named John Osborne who was going to help her get a job and finish her GED.

Starting point is 01:04:02 She said she might even get to travel as part of the job training program. What a deal. Yeah. So then, January 9th, she returned to her sister-in-law's house to pick up Tiffany. And when Lisa arrived, when she arrived, she told her sister-in-law that John Osborne

Starting point is 01:04:19 had paid for her to stay in a room at the Roadway Inn in Overland Park. Class. Roadway Inn. Come on. At about 2 p.m. that day Stassi called the front desk at the roadway in and gave the hotel receptionist her sister-in-law's phone number in case this guy calls. Said hey if John Osborne calls tell him I'm at this number. All right. Osborne quote unquote then called the sister-in-law's number soon after and got directions to her home. I guess it was a big snowstorm going on but he showed up

Starting point is 01:04:51 anyway at about 3 p.m. and Lisa and Tiffany went with him leaving her car parked outside her sister in law's home. Less than an hour later Lisa called her sister-in-law to tell her that she had arrived safely at the motel and, you know, I'll pick up my car tomorrow or something, everything's fine. Never heard from either one of them again, Tiffany or Lisa, and she never returned for her car or anything. And later on, the sister-in-law would identify the man she knew as John Osborne to be, obviously John Robinson So the next day

Starting point is 01:05:29 After that because she had called she calls her mother-in-law Lisa does so that she drove away That's the last time they saw her but they heard from her the next day 430 p.m. She called her mother-in-law Betty Stassi in a panic crying and hysterical She was saying Lisa was saying to the her mother-in-law that quote they They are claiming that you Betty planned to take Tiffany away from me because I'm an unfit mother And she's crying and hysterical. Yeah, Betty told her I Don't know what they are saying. It's not first of all it's not true, and who the fuck are they? Who is it? Who are you talking about? Yeah, so then Lisa said they wanted her to sign four blank sheets of paper

Starting point is 01:06:15 I would say not Betty Stasi told her do not sign anything and Right after she said that Lisa said oh here. They come and then then hung up and that's the last anyone ever heard of her Disappeared off the face of the earth no clue of who they are no clue here They come the phone disconnected a few days later Betty the mother-in-law receives a letter supposedly written by Lisa and it was typewritten and signed Lisa at the bottom and Said that Lisa had left town to start a new life with Tiffany. Don't look for me, goodbye.

Starting point is 01:06:51 Well, due to her wishes. By the way, it's a typewritten letter, and Betty said that Lisa, quote, didn't know how to type. Well, she figured it out today. I mean, it's not, you know, maybe not fast, but if you press a J, a J'll pop up. It's not that hard to figure out.

Starting point is 01:07:05 It's pretty. You don't press the J and it turns into a Q. That would be, you'd have to know how to do that, yeah. So obviously, out of complete coincidence, John then calls his brother, the one looking for a baby, at around this same time, and says to come to Kansas, this is the same day that Lisa's saying they stuff he says hey come to Kansas City because I found you a baby girl oh got you covered bro

Starting point is 01:07:34 done yep um this is crazy man so um I guess Nancy who is his wife here John's wife said in early January 95 this day the day of the terrible snowstorm, John brought a baby to their home. John said the baby's name was Tiffany, and he received her through a private adoption for his brother. A private, so they were just like, here, pass this baby on to your brother.

Starting point is 01:07:59 Please middleman this for us. Yeah, it's a private adoption. We don't even want to meet the people. Yeah. One point on getting this child anywhere. Matter, it's a private adoption. We don't even want to meet the people. Yeah. Run point on getting this child anywhere. Matter of fact, just take the baby. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:10 Yeah. Take it. Just go give it to somebody else. Yeah, we don't care. Yeah. So Robinson called Donald and Helen and told them a baby's available right now. He said the birth mother had decided

Starting point is 01:08:22 against adoption after delivery, but the family didn't support her decision So she left the baby at a shelter and killed herself So this was the original baby he was she was they were supposed to get but didn't work out but now dead mother Here's your baby So Donald and Helen flew to Kansas on Kansas City on January 10th Robinson picked them up at the airport in the late afternoon and drove them to the offices of equa Two and they signed legal paperwork,

Starting point is 01:08:49 including a petition for adoption. After signing the documents, Donald gave John a $3,000 cashier's check payable to Doug Wood, the lawyer he told him about, allegedly for further adoption expenses. Donald and Helen named the baby Heather Tiffany Robinson. So now she's kept her with that but gave her Heather. So they returned next day they went back to Chicago with their new baby girl. Might

Starting point is 01:09:16 as well. That same morning the sister-in-law, Lisa Stasi's sister-in-law, called the roadway in and learned that Lisa's room had been reserved under a name other than John Osborne. So on January 11th, the sister-in-law files a missing persons report with the Overland Police Department. Robinson's name obviously comes up in the investigation, and on February 1st, 1985, detectives interview him. And he told them he was starting a charitable organization to provide young mothers job training, food and housing. He admitted that, yes, he did place Lisa at the roadway and as part of that program, he said, however, he said, Lisa had recently come to his office to give him the motel key. He said she thanked me for the assistance and said she had made other arrangements.

Starting point is 01:10:05 That's all she said. Robinson said that Lisa and Tiffany left with a young white man in an older model green car. That's all she that's all he knows. One week later he tells a similar story to his Missouri parole and probation officer Steve Hames. He'll come up now and then by the way Hames. officer Steve Haymes. He'll come up now and then by the way Haymes. Robinson told Haymes he placed Ozzie at the roadway inn but they came to his business on January 10th with a man named Bill and said they planned to start a new life together in Colorado. To corroborate his story he paid someone he knows named Cora Holmes $800 in exchange for her false statement to police too. At Robinson's

Starting point is 01:10:46 direction, Holmes told the police that she had recently babysat Tiffany and learned Lisa had left for Arkansas with a man named Bill Summers. In July 1985, Donald and Helen, his brother and wife, and his brother's wife, received a package from Robinson containing final adoption paperwork including a petition for adoption, decree of adoption, birth certificate and other documents. The petition appeared to be signed by attorney Douglas Wood who had handled over a hundred adoptions in his career. Problem is when asked about it Wood will later testify that he did not prepare that document,

Starting point is 01:11:23 it deviated from a standard form and his signature is forged, obviously. He said he never represented Robinson or any member of his family in any adoption proceeding nor received payment from Robinson for any legal work. The decree appeared to contain the signature though, so it was fine. He had represented Robinson in other matters and Robinson had access to other examples of Wood's signature. The decree also appeared to be signed by Judge Michael H. Farley, but Judge Farley said the decree was fraudulent and his signature was forged. Oh, it wasn't his either.

Starting point is 01:12:00 Wow. Also, the petition and decree appeared to be notarized by E.V. Gresham, who had been in a BDSM relationship with Robinson for years now. She never saw the documents, her name was misspelled, and she was never a notary public. He just picked someone's name out of his ass and said, they're the notary. Done. She's never been a notary. Never. Nope. He also had directed her to sign numerous blank papers during their relationship as well. Okay. Now his probation officer Stephen Haymes he took a call in Missouri he had never

Starting point is 01:12:39 heard someone I guess someone called him and he was being supervised by a Kansas probation officer as well. He pulled Robinson's file and perused his criminal record. He checked with the Kansas probation officer who had no problems with him, with Robinson. So Haim sent a letter to Robinson ordering him to report to the Missouri probation office on January 17th, 85. He didn't show up. So he sent him another letter registered this time,

Starting point is 01:13:09 ordering his appearance on the 24th. He also contacted Haymes Does by telephone here, Kansas City Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a supervisor who he had worked with in the past to ask them, are you investigating Robinson or were you aware of any baby selling rings operating in the Kansas City area? They said no and no. But they said they the supervisor of the office said that the bureau was,

Starting point is 01:13:37 quote, aware of John Robinson, but they weren't investigating actively. So Robin Robinson comes to Haymes's office and promptly at 1 p.m. at 5 foot 9, 200 pounds, Haymes said he reminded him of the Pillsbury Doughboy dressed nicely. He said he was friendly and deferential and had an answer for about everything and had met with, he said yes, he met with Birthright, which is an organization that places people, as part of an effort by several of his business associates to quote, help the community. No, he had not told Birthright

Starting point is 01:14:13 that the Presbyterian Church was behind the effort. He said, the Birthright people just misunderstood me. They had asked him what church he attended and he told them. That's all, he didn't say they were backing me. Robinson volunteers, he also met with social workers from the Truman Medical Center And they had placed two young women in an apartment that he had rented on truce Avenue Haymes was welcome to visit the apartment and speak with the residents and

Starting point is 01:14:34 I said, you know, I'm not doing anything shady Yeah So Haymes called an Overland Park detective who said they had found no evidence of wrongdoing in the Stasi case and they weren't pursuing it We're done with this. We're done with this. We're done with it, yeah. There's, people came in and she said she left and I don't know. So the detective did mention, however,

Starting point is 01:14:52 that a second young woman who had worked for Robinson, Paula Godfrey, remember her, had been reported missing a few months earlier. The detective recounted the letter the police had received purportedly from Godfrey saying she was okay and didn't want to see her family. Everybody leave me alone. Yeah, which is what the Amazon review killer did. Yeah, the police-

Starting point is 01:15:14 Every letter about when somebody goes missing or- I don't want to be found. Yeah. They're probably murdered, right? Leave me alone. They're dead. Any leave me alone letter, they're probably murdered, unless you had beef with them to begin murdered, right? Any letter is, leave me alone. They're dead. Any leave me alone letter, they're probably murdered, unless you had beef with them to begin with, right?

Starting point is 01:15:28 So the police said, we're not pursuing that case either. We have no evidence of anything. So Steve Hames, though, was like, I don't know. This guy's shady. The probation officer is thinking here. He said he learned from Lisa Stasi's relatives that he learned that Robinson had her sign four blank sheets of stationery.

Starting point is 01:15:45 Two letters arriving shortly after she disappeared look suspicious. They didn't sound like Lisa and they were typed. We know that she can't type. So the probation officer asked John Robinson where Lisa Stasi was. Robinson claims she had run off to Colorado with a guy named Bill again. So Haymes is like, I don't know about this. He said, this guy's a con man. It's very possible that he turned into a murderer

Starting point is 01:16:11 of vulnerable young women here. So he called the FBI supervisor again and he said, you might have to take a look at this. Said, we've got two women and a baby missing. We've got Robinson crossing state lines. So the supervisor said, all right, let's assign two agents to it and take a look. So over the next few weeks, a couple of agents who are here began looking at her, looking

Starting point is 01:16:33 at him and looking at everything here. They discovered Robinson was involved in a shitload of ongoing criminal activities in the Kansas City underworld here. They said Robinson and fellow ex-convict Irv Blattner, remember him, were under investigation by the U.S. Secret Service for forging the signature on and cashing a government check. Jesus. Hames and the FBI learned as well that the investigation in Johnson County, Kansas, where the district attorney was building a case that Robinson Company Equa to had defrauded back care systems another company so the thing is he looks

Starting point is 01:17:09 so upstanding they said he's a doting well he's running schemes constant constantly but he's just like this middle-aged you know got a tie on his hair's comb neatly it's also what it's all about. And they said he seemed to be a good father and husband. He built a soccer goal for his family in the yard so his son could practice at home. Yeah, like he's a good guy. He goes to his daughter's flute recitals and band concerts. He referees school volleyball games. They like he's a successful businessman. He's always talking about new ventures. He's a great guy. He's also, not that this doesn't make you a great guy,

Starting point is 01:17:49 but he's also hardcore into this BDSM underworld. Yeah. It's not just he's like him and his wife got some toys. This is like, he's finding strange young women and taking them in. And there's a whole different thing going on here. He saw BDSM as a way to make money. Oh? Which most people think just coming hard is enough, but he's like, no, no, no, I need to make money off this too.

Starting point is 01:18:15 Isn't coming enough for people? I got a feeling the coming part isn't even a thing for him. I don't know about that. I think... He likes it, you think? Yeah, I think he likes, he likes inflicting pain. I don't know about that. I think you think yeah I think he likes he likes inflicting pain. That's what turns him on. Okay. That's his thing from what we'll find out later on Apparently he was organizing a ring of prostitutes for customers interested in S&M and using a male stripper known as Eminem to find women for him not Eminem from S&M yep M&M he's just

Starting point is 01:18:47 Eminem he's just masochism masochism and masochism that's him everybody calls him JR none of the investigative trails led to Lisa Stasi or Paula Godfrey though but they were like he's definitely doing some shady shit though so Haymes orders him to come in for another visit and He says quote. Why is everyone making such a big deal when I'm only trying to help people So Robinson says he says by the way Lisa Stasi has been found. She's okay Tiffany the baby everybody's fine, so Quit breaking fucking balls there. He claimed he had heard from a local woman for whom Stasi recently had babysat

Starting point is 01:19:29 and she said that she and Tiffany were definitely in the Kansas city area. But an FBI agent and an overland park detective spoke to the woman in question who he said told him the story and she admitted the story of Stasi babysitting for her was false and Yeah, so Robinson had asked her to tell the lie if police asked her. Oh So it's it's his story that he gave her Yeah He said if they ask you tell you this her they said why are you doing this for him? And she said cuz she owed him money and he had photographed her nude as a prospective prostitute

Starting point is 01:20:03 so the FBI decides to send out a female agent to contact him and pose as a prostitute looking for work. So they, um, so she was wired up and the agent met Robinson for lunch at a restaurant. He told her his clients were mainly lawyers, doctors, and judges, and that she could earn 2000 to $3,000 a week or a weekend traveling to Denver or Dallas to service them or $1,000 a night in the Kansas City area. If you stick around here, a grand. Go to Denver too.

Starting point is 01:20:35 You got to go there. He did tell her though, as you know, as this job entails, you're going to have to undergo a lot of pain. You know, this isn't just a regular prostitution gig. These people don't want to have sex with you. They're going to want to fuck with you, such as having your nipples crunched with pliers. You got to like that, he's telling her.

Starting point is 01:20:56 So the FBI hears a recording of the conversation and decided against proceeding with the undercover effort for the time out of fear for this woman's safety. The agent, they were like, we don't trust this fucking guy. He's gonna kill this fucking lady. He's gonna crush your fucking nipples, lady. Fuck, so she's gonna come back with mashed nipples to the FBI.

Starting point is 01:21:15 March 19th, 1985, Irv Blattner, the partner, cooperates with the Secret Service. Uh-oh. Yeah, he's in deep shit and he's an ex-con and he didn't wanna go back to prison. So he cooperates with the Secret Service. Uh oh. Yeah, he's in deep shit and he's an ex-con and he didn't want to go back to prison. So he cooperates with the Secret Service to sign a statement implicating John Robinson's position in a number of illegal activities

Starting point is 01:21:34 to get him arrested for probation violations. So yeah, this is an exchange for lenient treatment in the government check forgery investigation. The FBI advised Truman Medical Center to remove its two young women from Robinson's Troost Avenue apartment, but to give Robinson a plausible excuse. So these women are in danger.

Starting point is 01:21:56 Get them the fuck out. They don't exist, these women, but he told them that. So I feel like if that's true, do that. So March 21, 1985, he comes in for his probation officer meeting and arrested in his probation officer's office there. Okay. But he's out on bail pretty quick.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Really? Oh, absolutely. It's just check shit and they don't have anything on, he's under suspicion of women disappearing, but they don't have anything on that. So April, 1985, Theresa Williams, 21 years old. He meets her and lets her move into the brothel and becomes his personal prostitute.

Starting point is 01:22:33 Oh, this is his gal. This is his gal here. She's attractive, 21 years old, she's from Boise, Idaho. She's been working odd jobs around Kansas City and looking for a main job here Robinson took her to a hotel room where he photographed her nude and Offered her a position as his quote mistress This is a job a job that would involve sexual services not only for him, but for others as well

Starting point is 01:22:59 He would put her up an apartment and pay all her expenses plus Prostitution fees and he would supply her with weed and amphetamines Oh, what a deal and she said what no other fucking job offers gonna be like that so sure So on the night of gonna take that receptionist job over the car dealership, but they said no weed They said no if they wouldn't give me amphetamines is the problem They said no meth you can you can show up stone, but don't we're not giving you meth And we were like okay So the night of April 30th, 1985

Starting point is 01:23:31 JR here gives Williams twelve hundred dollars in cash Got her a fancy dress All you know tits out everything told her to wait in a park across the street from the Troost Avenue apartment. A limousine picked her up. The driver blindfolded her and took her to a mansion somewhere in the Kansas City area. This fucking happened. This is like some weird eyes wide shut shit going on now.

Starting point is 01:23:57 Great day. She was given to a distinguished looking 60ish gray haired man who was called quote the judge you know he was a judge too probably he's a judge he escorted her to the basement which was a sex dungeon that's what it was down there it was you know all sorts of shit she put it as quote brutality and other unnatural sex acts. Good Lord. He had her disrobe and then started stretching her on a medieval torture rack. This is the judge?

Starting point is 01:24:31 This is the judge, yeah. Oh boy. She screamed and told him to let her leave and she was blindfolded again and returned to the apartment, so the guy said, okay. A few days later she was forced to return the $1,200. John said, give me that fucking money back. She didn't earn it, yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:50 Yes. Then at the same time he found out that not only is she not doing her gigs, you know, whatever, she's also entertaining a boyfriend over at the apartment. She's got a man? That Robinson isn't even getting any money for. So he's pissed off.

Starting point is 01:25:09 Very pissed off. So he comes over one day and early on a Saturday morning in late May of 85, let himself in, had his own keys, went into the apartment, a two bedroom unit on the third floor. Teresa Williams is there, she was asleep, but he barged into the apartment, a two-bedroom unit on the third floor. Teresa Williams is there. She was asleep, but he barged into the bedroom.

Starting point is 01:25:30 And this is fucking wild. Grabbed her by the hair, pulled her over a knee and started spanking her. He said, you've been a real bad girl. You need to learn a lesson. Okay. She was like, what the fuck? She started screaming, so he threw her on the floor and pulled a revolver out of a shoulder holster and pointed at her. Oh boy.

Starting point is 01:25:50 He said if you don't shut up I'll blow your brains out. He put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger and it was empty. He's fucking with her. No bullets. So she's now cowering and crying obviously and that's ridiculous. He then this is crazy shit here. He then slid the gun down her torso and put it inside of her. Oh my God. And said, quote, I bet you've never had a blowout.

Starting point is 01:26:17 Yikes dude. She's pleaded. Don't do that. Please, please. So he took the gun out, put it back in the holster and Left the apartment. That was it. He was there for five fucking minutes did that She didn't know what the fuck to do So she just sat there That's it He went home because he had to be home in time to attend his teenage son's soccer game that Saturday afternoon With a gun he and threatening to murder her yeah, he went from that to the soccer game that Saturday afternoon. After raping a woman with a gun. With a gun and threatening to murder her.

Starting point is 01:26:46 Yeah, he went from that to the soccer game. He'd go, come on buddy. Wow. Good job. Good effort. You can do better than that. So they made up though. She forgave him.

Starting point is 01:26:55 Uh-huh. And he promised to take her on a trip to the Virgin Islands in mid-June. We're going to go on a trip. So the FBI gets involved here again. They, two agents talked to her, this, we've talked to Teresa about this whole thing, and at first she told the agents a cover story saying she worked for Equi-2 and was being trained in data processing. That's one way to put it. They said listen we have reason to believe that Robinson had been involved in the disappearance of at

Starting point is 01:27:24 least two young women. So now she started to cry and they were like, come on, get it out. So she said, OK, he, you know, assaulted me with his gun and he's going to take me to the Virgin Islands. And the other thing she said was at his insistence, she has been fabricating a diary accusing his friend, Irv Blattner, of committing various crimes and of threatening her life So she's writing a regular diary like went to McDonald's saw my talk to my mom did that and then like the next page is Like Irv Blattner is doing all this stuff and threatening my life because he wants Irv to get in trouble so that means he's in less trouble because

Starting point is 01:28:01 Irv can't be believed about what he says about John so John seemed to have sense that the police were going to use Blattner to implicate him and he wanted this fake diary. So they're questioning Williams as they're questioning her in her fucking apartment. They hear a key in the door to FBI agents. Front door opens. There's Robinson. There he is. Oh shit. front door opens there's Robinson there he is oh shit so the agent said who the

Starting point is 01:28:25 they identify themselves and they held up the diary and asked if it's his handwriting and he says it is so the agents frisk him for weapons he has none he said he was in a hurry and then just left the apartment there's nothing they could do to hold him there they have no reason to hold him or anything like that. Good suspect though, yeah. But that's even more suspect. So after he left they insisted on moving this young lady Williams to another location to be kept secret from Robinson because they thought maybe her life was in danger because she had also been asked to sign blank sheets of stationery. Really? Like that's a bad sign. So they

Starting point is 01:29:01 Really? Like that's a bad sign. So they also, the FBI agents talked to the probation officer, Haymes, who helped interrogate Robinson, then filed a formal report with Missouri courts that had jurisdiction over his probation. Haymes alleged that Robinson had violated the terms of his probation by carrying a gun, supplying drugs to Teresa Williams, and lying to his probation officer. He asked that the court revoke the probation and jail Robinson. He does that.

Starting point is 01:29:32 But then there's a hearing and he's released on bail pending an appeal. So the FBI keeps Williams hidden, gives her money and finally buys her a one way ticket out of town. Get the fuck out of here. He's going gonna kill you. The Missouri Court of Appeals overturned the district judge's ruling on the grounds that Robinson's constitutional rights had been violated because he had not been allowed to adequately confront his accuser, Teresa Williams, because they had to hide her so he didn't kill her. So, July 1985, he hires a private detective to find Teresa Williams and the

Starting point is 01:30:09 legal that he doesn't know because he doesn't know that they didn't tell him we're hiding her so you can fire a private detective to find anybody so at that point the FBI found out about that and then moves her to like three more times for her safety to try to like you know wash the trail Yeah, it's yeah follow the Queen. That's what it is August 21st 1985 his probation is revoked and he is sentenced to serve seven years at the Missouri Department of Corrections but He wins an appeal and doesn't have to serve the time. It's fucking crazy. What's the point in sentencing people, put a tie on, have money for a lawyer,

Starting point is 01:30:50 comb your hair. Nice in the eighties, golden. You're great. He then appears in farm journal magazine for what he made the cover of farm journal magazines. The editors were unaware of his criminal record. The article was promoting people to invest in his Equi-2 company. What? Two ranchers did just that and lost $10,000 each. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:16 1986, after a long investigation, the district attorney in Johnson County charges him with fraud and bilking back care systems with his company here. A jury is going to convict him in January of 1986. He was then convicted of a second fraud against an Overland Park man in connection with an Arizona real estate deal. Because of his shit criminal record, the judge sentences him to serve between six and 19 years in prison as a habitual criminal.

Starting point is 01:31:48 Whoa. That's a lot. Yeah. But he remains free on bail for his appeal. Really? Habitual criminal, I'm sure he'll be fine out there. Everything's all right. Nice, so this right after this, Catherine Clampett,

Starting point is 01:32:02 clam pit with two P's like Pittsburgh. P-I-T-T. Yeah, Clam Pitt. 27 years old, she is of Overland Park, Kansas. I guess she moved to Kansas from Wichita Falls, Texas after answering a newspaper ad in which Robinson promised a great job, lots of traveling, and a new wardrobe. Okay, now Clampett, she is described by her family as intelligent and a bit wild, often stayed at local hotels for several nights at a time,

Starting point is 01:32:35 and then in 1987, right after this ad, she inexplicably disappears for weeks, and they call the cops finally, and she is reported officially missing on June 15th, 1987. Now 87 he goes to prison, his appeals fail. So he actually goes to fucking prison. He began serving a four year sentence at Kansas Hutchinson, Hutchison Correctional Facility.

Starting point is 01:33:02 He does very well in jail also because he's full of shit and he has a couple of bucks and it helps. So after psychological and mental testing showed his intelligence to be well above average, he was put to work as the coordinator of the prison's maintenance operations office. Okay, there he developed computer programs that saved the Kansas prison system over a hundred thousand dollars a year. Oh shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:32 So he actually did something and that goes in his record and makes them look good. June, 1989, his father dies. John's father dies. He, and then John suffers a series of strokes, small strokes that left permanent neurological damage and the right side of his face partially paralyzed and looks a little kind of droopy. A little droopy, yeah. In a nine page report of clinical and medical evaluation dated November 1st, 1990, two ranking doctors here

Starting point is 01:34:03 and a supervising psychiatrist was one of them, the director of medical services and the supervising psychiatrist of the prison, wrote that John Robinson was a model inmate who made the best of his incarceration. He's a non-violent person and does not present a threat to society. He's a devoted family man

Starting point is 01:34:21 who has taught his children a strong value system. Yeah, so that's what they're saying. He is good at being full of shit. 1991 he gets out of Kansas prison, but he's transferred to two prisons in Missouri for violating probation and an old fraud charge as well. So they're passed him around. Haymes writes in his official memorandum to a colleague in 1991. I believe him to be a con man out of control He leaves in his wake many unanswered questions and missing persons. I have observed Robinson's sociopathic tendencies habitual criminal behavior inability to tell the truth and Scheming to cover his own actions at the expense of others. I was not surprised to see he had a good institutional adjustment in Kansas considering that he's

Starting point is 01:35:09 quite bright and a white collar con man capable of being quite personable and friendly to those around him. Especially staff because they're not used to having people that can treat them like that. Educated people, that kind of thing. So Hames predicted that Robinson would use his medical problems to his advantage which he does because two of the people he promptly befriends at the penitentiary in Missouri are the prison doctor William Bonner and mostly his 47 year old wife Beverly the prison

Starting point is 01:35:40 librarian she gave Robinson a job in the library, which is an easy job. Yeah, that's a bad guy to be giving good free jobs to. Yeah, there's hopefully somebody, but I mean he's smart and might know the books, that's the only difference. So Beverly Bonner here, she becomes friends with him and she lived, the couple, her and her husband lived in Cameron, Missouri

Starting point is 01:36:06 and they have two sons and yeah, so he's an inmate there. William Bonner, like we said, is the doctor, the prison physician. So 1993, John's released from prison and fucking Beverly Bonner divorces her husband and moves to Kansas Really? Oh, yeah The library lady? The librarian Divorces her doctor husband She fell in love with him. Yeah, she told her family she had a job with his company and that included foreign travel She was taken off

Starting point is 01:36:41 She told her ex-husband that she was gonna be traveling abroad and gave him an address at the post office box that he could use to mail her her alimony. She disappeared. Send my checks. I'll be off doing shit. Wow. She disappeared immediately upon saying she was going and John places all her belongings in a storage locker in a Kansas City suburb. She's not seen by her family after her final divorce proceeding in February of 94. Her brother invited her to his September 1995 wedding, but she didn't show up and her oldest son died in October 1995,

Starting point is 01:37:21 but she didn't attend his funeral or pay any attention to it. So she's gone is what that means. Yeah. They tried to make it that she disappeared to travel but all those things happening means that probably she's dead. So his income since he was in prison had stopped so his wife Nancy had been forced to sell their big house with the horses and all that. She took a job as the manager of a mobile home development in Belton, Missouri, which is a suburb south of Kansas City. The development was called South Fork after a large family home on the Dallas television series. And all the streets were named after Dallas characters. What? Sue Ellen Avenue, Cliff Barnes Lane, and so forth. And he's JR.

Starting point is 01:38:08 How perfect is that? So they said they could make do with this because the twins were in college, so they didn't need as much room. They just rented some storage units at a facility for their overflow shit. At this point, he starts a magazine. What? Yeah, everything I tell you is like

Starting point is 01:38:26 at this point it might as well be at this point he orbited Pluto. You'd be like okay why not? Sure. Yeah he has a company called Specialty Productions or Publications where he put out a trade magazine called Manufactured Modular Home Living. What? They got their own they get they can't not even afford a house We're gonna be afford publications and who wants to read about how others are living inside their trailers. Oh, let's see No Pretend this is a house. That's the opposite of aspirational. So early 1994 That's the opposite of aspirational. So early 1994, Beverly Bonner never seen again, but her mother continued to send her alimony checks to the mailbox in Olathe at a business called The Mailroom.

Starting point is 01:39:14 In December 1993, Robinson posing as Jim Turner applied for a mailbox under Bonner's name at The Mailroom, by the way. The owner Colleen, identified Robinson later on as the person she knew as Turner. That's another one of his aliases. Robinson executed a lease for Box 182 under Bonner's name on January 1st, 1994, presented Bonner's identification,

Starting point is 01:39:36 and told Davis he was collecting Bonner's mail while she worked in Australia. This person at the store never met Bonner and only saw Robinson access the mailbox. This William Bonner paid his ex-wife $1,000 in monthly alimony for 18 months. He mailed them every time. Every alimony check was deposited into Robinson's Hydro Grow Inc. business account. Yup, that is fucking wild.

Starting point is 01:40:04 It's at Community Bank of Raymore. He opened that on February 1st, 1994 with James A. Turner and Beverly J. Bonner as the authorized signatories. So wow. Three latent fingerprints lifted from the original alimony checks match Robinson's prints, by the way, later on. He attempted to conceal Bonner's disappearance with fraudulent communications to her family. In January 94 her brother Larry Heath received a handwritten letter purportedly from

Starting point is 01:40:32 Bonner that said she was starting a new career with an international corporation in Chicago and that she would be training extensively domestically and abroad. A few months super busy leave me alone. A few months later Larry Heath the brother received a typewritten letter purportedly from Bonner Which was unusual because she always wrote letters by hand and the letter said that Bonner was working for Jim Redmond in the human Resources department of a large international corporation Larry Heath continued to receive similar typewritten letters every three to four months Larry Heath continued to receive similar typewritten letters every three to four months. Think about how to keep track of all this shit. Oh shit, it's been three months.

Starting point is 01:41:11 It's been three months. I gotta fucking write a letter to this. Like this is crazy. It's a lot of place. My quarterlies out. Wow. That's a lot of plates to keep spinning. Imagine having to think of all that shit.

Starting point is 01:41:21 That sounds so stressful. That's how you don't have it. He doesn't have a day job, James. This is this is scamming. Yeah, most people think about their day job all the time. This guy just thinks about this all the time. This is more work than a day job though. Yeah, just get a job. It's easier to get a fucking job, man. It would have been easier just to go to medical school. This would have been way easier. So the brother would respond now and then, mailing the correspondence to the mailbox.

Starting point is 01:41:45 During the same period, another relative received about half dozen letters, which arrived in envelopes postmarked Australia, France, the Netherlands, and Kansas City, Missouri. How did he do that? The letters were typewritten, often discussed, Bonner's travel overseas, and were signed with what Bonner believed to be in her handwriting.

Starting point is 01:42:07 I think it's part of the SNM and BDSM thing, he's got a lot of friends overseas, he's got a lot of weirdos, so yeah, he could send. Send them to, in an envelope there, and then be like, just take out this envelope and throw it in the mail for me. That's it, just throw it in the mail. Summer of 1994, Sheila Dale Faith, like the word faith.

Starting point is 01:42:26 She's 45 years old and she has a daughter named Debbie Lynn Faith who's 15 years old. Here, Debbie Lynn was born in 1978. Debbie is born with a bunch of birth defects. She's got a lot of problems. She has cerebral palsy, which is really difficult. And I knew somebody who had a relative, it's a terrible fucking thing to happen to somebody. It's palsy is bad.

Starting point is 01:42:51 It's awful, which limited her ability to walk. Anything like controlling her bladder was difficult. She had to wear adult diapers as a 15 year old poor kid, poor fucking child, man. Now as if things weren't hard enough for Sheila, taking care of her child and everything else, her husband died in 1993. Died. So Sheila moved with Debbie from California

Starting point is 01:43:13 to Pueblo, Colorado to be closer to a close friend of hers who was gonna help out. So Sheila and Debbie lived on social security and obviously struggled financially to meet things like doctor bills and stuff. So Sheila, according to her friend, was lonely and would respond to personal ads in hopes of meeting somebody. Her husband died.

Starting point is 01:43:34 She's lonely. You know what I mean? So on several occasions, Sheila talked to this Guerrero person, her friend, about her interest in BDSM, but didn't share details because Guerrero was uncomfortable with the subject. Someone's got to be into that subject to really talk about it with him. So she's a bit of a little bit of a freak. She is.

Starting point is 01:43:54 She is. This one's of. Yeah. Sheila's sister also believed that Sheila was interested in BDSM. So in spring of 1994, Sheila told her friend that she had met a man named John from Missouri. She said John was a wealthy executive who promised to take her on a cruise and put Debbie in a private school. John quote promised her the world.

Starting point is 01:44:14 The friend recalled he told her he was going to take her on a cruise that he would take care of her daughter, that she'd never have to work. That money was no problem. Sheila told her sister, Kathy, that she met a man with a good job, they planned to travel together and that he planned to buy Debbie a new wheelchair and an accessible van. Nice. Wow. The sister said that Sheila called him Jim Turner either in a letter or during a phone conversation. She couldn't remember. Sheila told her friend that she and Debbie were going to visit John.

Starting point is 01:44:45 They planned to be gone for about a month, spending a couple weeks with John in Missouri, and then traveling to Texas to visit family. So this friend expected Sheila to return within a few weeks because they had purchased tickets to the Colorado State Fair, and Sheila planned to enter a cross-stitched angel into the fair competition. She's going to win the cross-stitching prize here at the Colorado State Fair. While Sheila Pack Guerrero noticed she did not take furniture, bedding,

Starting point is 01:45:11 or other items that you need to move. She's just taken shit to go on a vacation. So yeah, so they packed up their belongings, they moved to Kansas City where they fucking disappeared. Mom and daughter, gone. They vanished but their mail, including their disability checks, was being forwarded to a mailbox at the mailroom.

Starting point is 01:45:32 Yep, neither the friend or Sheila's sister spoke to Sheila or Debbie ever again after they left Colorado to visit him. Additionally, in 1995, Robinson gave one of his other girlfriends Sandra Shields a cross-stitched angel as a gift. No. Yep. That is fucking horrifying.

Starting point is 01:45:52 That's dirty. Yep. The friend, Guerrero, the missing woman's friend later identified the item as the piece Sheila had made to enter into the state fair competition. Yuck. That is fucked up. Now after Sheila and Debbie left, Sheila's sisters received letters written by Sheila. On the type machine? Type written letter purportedly from Sheila in a postmarked envelope postmarked Canada.

Starting point is 01:46:16 Okay. A letter said that Sheila had met a wonderful man named Jim and all this shit. Now the sister was convinced the letter was a fraud because Sheila always wrote letters by hand and Sheila's signature didn't appear to be her signature. So they reviewed, she received another letter the following December. Again, she was convinced Sheila didn't write it,

Starting point is 01:46:37 it was typed out and all that kind of shit. But they're all postmarked from outside the country. But for years, since they haven't been, they're not like, nothing, we don't know what happened to them, their checks keep coming. And he keeps collecting them. Oh. Yup.

Starting point is 01:46:56 In June 1994, months after setting up the private mailbox under Bonner's name, posing as Jim Turner, he set up another private mailbox at the same place under the name Sheila and Debbie Faith. And the owner saw Robinson come to the mailbox at least once a month to collect two government checks mailed to Sheila and Debbie. Holy.

Starting point is 01:47:16 This is a scumbag. He is, this is a disabled child? Yeah, pure garbage. Dude, it's one thing to scam adults and be like, yeah, I'm going to get you here for sex and then I'm going to kill you. That's normal. People expect that. When you answer a BDSM ad in a newspaper back then, you go, this could be really fun or

Starting point is 01:47:34 I could be murdered. One of the two. It's going to be really fun or he's going to murder me and my child that has disabilities and then keep our checks things. That's this I mean obviously wrong to murder any of these people but a 15 year old fucking Disabled child that's about as disgusting of a move as you could possibly fucking do and you got to kill that girl, too If you're killing mom, what are you gonna do? Yeah, we're gonna do push her into the woods in her wheelchair and leave her there

Starting point is 01:48:02 Yeah, you got a killer somehow so from July 94 to September 95 the checks were deposited into Robinson's hydro grow Inc business account the same one same one he used to deposit the alimony checks Wow in fall of 1995 community Bank of Raymore notified Robinson aka James Turner That's the social security checks could not be deposited into a business account. Thereafter he deposited the checks into his specialty publications accounts at other financial institutions. He also attached to the disability form here, he completed a disability form for our disability review form for Debbie and signed by Sheila. So the report appeared to be signed by Dr. William Bonner.

Starting point is 01:48:52 Like Beverly's husband. Oh yeah. That's William Bonner. That's the doctor from the prison. Right. The guy she divorced. Yeah. But he never treated Debbie Faith, had not prepared the report and had never had an address

Starting point is 01:49:03 at office at the address listed. December 95, he's collecting enough money from other people's alimony and social security that he this is wild. He puts $95,000 down for a house for his son and grandchildren in Big Pine Key, Florida. Weird. So around the neighborhood now he's starting to be known as a dirty old man who made sexual advances on many of his female neighbors again Now though by the time you're 50 you can't do that shit when you're 32 You might be able to bang some of your wives neighbors by the time you're 50

Starting point is 01:49:36 You're just a dirty old man, man, and you wake you wake up one day and that day is a ride. It's there It sneaks up on you fast. Fast. Before you start saying gross things then people go, ew. Yeah. It's mid-30s is when that happens at some point. That's when it happens. That's when it happens.

Starting point is 01:49:54 That's when it happens. So. Oh, I want to suck on your tits and they go, gross. Ew. Oh, my bad. Gross. You're like, oh. Well, I guess I shouldn't have said that to you right outside the jungle gym, my bad. Crows. You're like, oh.

Starting point is 01:50:10 Well, I guess I shouldn't have said that to you right outside the jungle gym, I suppose. That was as much the environment as what I said, you know what I mean? I guess. So, you know. Can you count that change back one more time? Yeah. Yeah, no, the rainbow snow cone is the one I wanted. Yeah, no, it's... Sorry. Sorry about that. Kids, it's your turn. cone is the one I wanted. Sorry, sorry about that.

Starting point is 01:50:27 Kids, it's your turn, I'm sorry, I tried. Line of kids behind you. So he even crept around the trailer park driving slowly by their trailers on his golf cart when he knew their husbands weren't at home. He was like peering in. Somehow he is still married. Nancy's still hanging around here. Jesus. Now this is in Santa Barbara Estates in Olathe. He spends a lot of time

Starting point is 01:50:53 here. This is in his mobile home in front of his five computers at this point. And this is 1990s. So this is like 95. Compacta rios but you know how expensive five fucking computers was in the 90s that's 15 grand dude that's so much money and he's sitting there and he's he's on the internet this time to 95 on the internet searching BDSM shit damn the early internet adopters were either wrestling fans like code dorks who were code dorks who were trading like hacking shit and code stuff or Really horny people that were in the shit that was too weird to tell D people in person

Starting point is 01:51:38 Yeah, people are like and now I can put a screw now. I don't now I can say anything I want because nobody can see me. Now I can go by Slave Master. Because that's what he's going by. That's his handle here. So he's searching all the BDSM shit on the internet here. He began placing and monitoring ads in The Pitch Weekly, a so-called alternative newspaper in Kansas City

Starting point is 01:52:01 whose back pages feature personal columns called Romance the Dating Connection for People Seeking Conventional Relationships alternative newspaper in Kansas City whose back pages feature personal columns called Romance the dating connection for people seeking conventional relationships and the wild side for people who prefer prefer the unconventional It's like the LA Weekly ads we read in the personal ads back page Yeah, so the now that the internet's here though now it really expands He was doing all this from magazine ads and weird newspaper ads. Now there's the internet. Now he's connected to everybody. So way beyond the pitch weekly.

Starting point is 01:52:34 It's ridiculous. So he had three desktops, two laptop computers going, trolling BDSM websites for hours under the slave master handle here. He's living with his wife in a three bedroom trailer. It's wild. He's also got a cell phone, a pager. He's emailing everybody already. And Nancy's working at the office manager

Starting point is 01:52:54 at the Santa Barbara Estates. Okay. Around September 1st, 1995, he spotted an ad which read, Masterful, single white male 35 to 50 sought by successful Rubenesque beauty. So it's for a guy, a woman looking for a man. What does Rubenesque mean? Like stoddard?

Starting point is 01:53:18 No, no, it means curvy. It means you got tits and ass. Rubenesque means tits and ass. It used to mean fat. Now it means tits and ass. Okay.en esque means tits and I used to mean fat now. It means tits and ass Yeah, we've changed it now to that So she left he left a voicemail and she called him back She went by the name Chloe Elizabeth to conceal her identity as a successful well-known college educated businesswoman in Topeka, Kansas

Starting point is 01:53:43 Yeah, she's a career, you know, minded person, never got married. She was accustomed to dominating in her business life and had decided it was time to seek what she truly wanted in her personal life. Wow, yeah, which is a dominant who could quote, "'A dominant with whom I can give up control of the personal side of my life and obey a worthy man who would advance my sexual and personal journey

Starting point is 01:54:11 beyond what I was willing to admit wanting on my own. It's crazy because they'll accept that from somebody that is a horrifying human being. Horrifying person, yeah. Horrifying person. Yeah. Horrifying. She could be a smokin' hot woman and she will allow an absolute bridge troll to whack her with a cat of nine tails. Our fuckin' brains are weird, aren't they? How that works? What the fuck is that?

Starting point is 01:54:35 The psychology of that shit? Wow. So she said, I was looking for someone who was in business for himself because I believe that provides a dynamic and a personality that I'm seeking, one that I understand, one that I'm like. J.R. made me feel like he was pretty close to the type of man I like to date. We had many phone conversations before we actually met for the first time. She asked Robinson to send her documents to prove that he was the one, he was who he says he was. She said, I'm not at all a paranoid person,

Starting point is 01:55:06 but in a relationship of DNS, where you're sincere about what you're doing, you really need to know the person you're going to give the control up as someone who will take good care of you. Yeah, you need to trust them. Jesus. So he sent her, now she's using a real name and address,

Starting point is 01:55:21 an array of material designed to portray him in the best possible light. Chicago newspapers accounts of his appearance before the queen of London, the queen in London, what we told you about, his hydroponics booklet, just to show, look, I'm a real person, I'm all filled out. Yeah, Kansas University of Brashoor,

Starting point is 01:55:40 picturing his attractive children, his appearance on the cover of Farm Journal, and his proclamation naming him Man of the Year. Right. Wow. No indication of his criminal past or anything like that. But anyway, two months after their first conversation, she and JR had discussed their sexual preferences extensively by phone.

Starting point is 01:56:03 She knew what he as the dominant was expected of her. She said quote, I was to meet him at the door wearing only a sheer robe, a black mesh thong panty, matching demi-cut bra, thigh high stockings and black heels. My eyes were to be made up dark and lips red and I was to kneel before him. He was wearing a dark navy single breasted business suit, a starched light blue shirt with gold cufflinks, burgundy striped tie and polished shoes. Once inside the door, he took a leather studded collar from his jacket and placed it around my neck and attached a long leash to the collar.

Starting point is 01:56:41 I took him first to the library and a large king chair in front of the fire next to it I had put his drink of choice scotch on the rocks He drew me to him and we kissed for the first time after some relaxed small talk I let him through the rest of the house ending up in my bedroom on the third floor There he asked me to remove the few items of clothing. I was wearing one at a time except for the stockings He then took a from his pocket a contract for slavery, giving my consent to use me as a sexual toy in any way he wished and to punish me in any way he saw fit. I read the contract and signed it.

Starting point is 01:57:19 He asked if I was sure. I said yes, very sure. She is horny. He put the contract back in his pocket and asked me to remove all of his clothes except his pants. He then asked me to lie face down on the bed and spread my arms and legs as wide as I could. Using a rope that he had brought, he tied my wrist to the head of the bed and my ankles to the foot of the bed.

Starting point is 01:57:40 Once he had me tied up, he asked me to try to move. I couldn't. He then removed his belt. He's an Eagle Scout. Yeah, remember, he's got knots. He he asked me to try to move. I couldn't. He then removed his belt. He's an Eagle Scout. Yeah, remember, he's got knots. He's got a fucking badge for that. This is his BDSM badge from the Eagle Scouts. He's real good at this.

Starting point is 01:57:53 I earned my S&M badge when I was a young man. Yeah, boy, I showed it to the Queen of England. Man, she was impressed. Once he had me tied, he asked me if I could move. I couldn't. He then removed his belt and began to whip me across my bottom, slowly and lightly. I could feel excitement flowing across my skin. Is this a penthouse letter?

Starting point is 01:58:11 I don't know what this is. This is crazy. Then the blows got harder and closer together. It was painful and I cried. He then lay down beside me and cuddled me and comforted me and told me he loved me. He untied the ropes around my wrists and ankles and instructed me to kneel on the bed in front of him. My punishment training for the day was not over. He took a spool of smaller rope as he talked about training my large breasts.

Starting point is 01:58:36 Even my large breasts, my heaving breasts. I wanted to please him. He said that the breasts to be pleasing and well-trained must be able to endure pain and wear marks. He began to wrap the rope tightly around the base of the breast. He wrapped it so tightly that it bulged and turned reddish-purple. He crossed the rope in the middle of my chest and began wrapping the other breast. Now both my breasts were like large ripe tomatoes, red and ready to burst. The nipples were erect and brown. He took clamps and put one on each nipple.

Starting point is 01:59:10 The pain was severe. He thrust the solid leather strap of his belt down on top of, on the top side of my breast. Oh, Jesus, he's whipping her tits now? He's whipping her tits while she's clamped up. The pain caused the nipples to expand and become unimaginably restricted by the clamps. Engorged to about three times her normal size, the nipples turned purple and blue. He strapped my breasts again.

Starting point is 01:59:35 Only those swats, there would be no more today. To show my gratefulness to his attention, he required one more duty. He stood before the bed and removed his pants. He required that I perform oral sex This was the first date it was sensational She loved it. He had an ability to command to control to corral someone as strong and aggressive and spirited as I am So they Yeah So they thought, yeah, she said that they asked this woman later on, is this always

Starting point is 02:00:07 part of your relationships? Is pain always part of this? She said it depends on what you consider pain, which means yes. I came. That doesn't mean fuck. Yeah, it does. I wasn't interested in being beaten. I don't love pain.

Starting point is 02:00:21 Some women in this lifestyle love pain. For me, there comes a physical state that you're in where what might, what one might consider pain on your body isn't painful. Before he left, he told her that she had been stupid for allowing him to do all that he had done. I could have killed you. He said, though he hadn't told him. Um, she said that she, she didn't tell him this, but she never felt threatened by him even when she was tied because she had stationed a male friend in the house. She has a guy hiding in the house to be on alert for for some signal she gives to come in and help her. Nope. Doesn't know it at all. He though made notes of JR's license plate number while they were upstairs. So she's fucking smart. This this one that's why she's alive to be interviewed later as she thought of all this shit he had told

Starting point is 02:01:09 her he was divorced this is the problem here okay they became they started seeing each other a couple times a week but she became suspicious of him through a contact in state government she ran his license plates and found out his car was registered in his wife's name as well as his. He told her he was divorced. So yeah, they at this point she said that they had to exchange, you know, declarations of love. He suggested to her they should exchange lists of all their assets. Let's just write down all the stuff we have that's worth something. What do you say? That's love. Let's just write down and look at it She said no, I don't think so So yeah, she was supposed to you know, she's supposed to this is fucking crazy

Starting point is 02:01:52 So that she just figured out what he was about and that was that so so she's done. She broke it off and didn't yeah Yeah, she didn't see him anymore because he was lying to her and shit like that. So early 1997 now Yeah, she didn't see him anymore because he was lying to her and shit like that. So early 1997, now, Beverly Bonner's officially missing. The letters stopped coming and her family grew concerned and contacted authorities to report her disappearance. The detective here examined nine of the envelopes mailed to Larry Heath. Eight of the envelopes had sufficient, something fluid on them to create a full

Starting point is 02:02:25 DNA profile and each profile matched Robinson DNA. So late 1997 Isabella, Louica, 19 years old, born in Poland here. She moved to West Lafayette, Indiana with her family at age 11. She was started to study at Purdue University in the fall of 96. She was a draw, big into painting and shit like that, into the arts. She also had a big interest in several things like, well, paganism, goth shit, and BDSM she's into. In 97, spring, she told her friend Jennifer that an international book agent in Kansas City

Starting point is 02:03:07 had offered her a job doing secretarial work and had commissioned her to illustrate BDSM manuscripts. Right. Lewicka said she was gonna move to Kansas City to be with this older married man who had agreed to train her to become a dominant in BDSM. So she's gonna be his little protege. Lewicka told her friend that she wanted her,

Starting point is 02:03:27 that he wanted her to call him master and to maintain strict confidentiality. Luica seemed concerned when she inadvertently told her friend that the master's name was John. She was like, oh shit, I wasn't supposed to say that. So in late 97, she told her parents she was dropping out of school to move to Kansas City where a rich entrepreneur had offered her an internship.

Starting point is 02:03:49 She also signed the slave contract. It's 115 item contract, by the way. 115 agreements? A lot of initialing going on there. Holy shit. And initial here, and here. And initial here, if you'll allow this. Initial here for boob fucking pain initial here Wow a

Starting point is 02:04:07 Fact that she didn't tell her parents though, obviously She never comes home again and communicates with her parents strictly through email So yeah, she keeps saying it's a publishing company internship if it led to a job She might stay longer, but maybe she'd be back to Purdue for 97. You don't know. So she would be living, as she told them, at 9280 Metcalfe in Overland Park and could be reached by email. So June 8th, 97, she left for Kansas with her car filled full of shit, and all of her friends knew that she moved to Kansas for both work and BDSM training.

Starting point is 02:04:45 So 1998 she registers at a local community college as Isabella Lawicka Robinson. Last name his. Oh yeah. No they are, they're married he says at this point. What? Yeah, they're married even though they're not married. They lease to private mailbox at mailboxes etc. at the same address that she gave her parents there, so it's not a physical address, it's just a mailboxes store. Both

Starting point is 02:05:10 Lewicka and Robinson were authorized to access the box. October 1997 Robinson had his insurance agent write a two-year auto policy on Lewicka's vehicle explaining she was an employee. On November 14th, Lewicka opened up an account at Bank of America where Robinson also had an account for specialty publications. February 1998 Robinson contacted Jennifer Bonadot, a property manager for the Deerfield apartment complex in Olav. He said he needed a corporate apartment for employees he would train before they were transferred to positions out of state in the rental application

Starting point is 02:05:47 He identified himself and Loica as prospective occupants He told that he told this woman that he met Loica as a grad at a graphics trade show And that she had been abused by her parents and that he had adopted her That's what he tells some people and some some people, they tell they're married. And some people, they say that he's sort of his daughter. Depending on the acceptability of the situation. Yep. This sounds nice to these people.

Starting point is 02:06:15 So he paid the rent. He signed a one-year rental agreement and paid the rent with a specialty publications check and LaWicka occupied the apartment for the next year in the there so july 1990 80 buy 16 acres of land on some i guess he had bought this land sometime a couple years ago maybe or whatever it's in lasagne lasinge kansas lakineske la separate word, C-Y-G-N-E. LeSigne? LeKy... Kyngle?

Starting point is 02:06:46 Kyngogen? I don't fucking know. It's either way. Yeah. It's gonna be a bad one to pronounce. So he buys 16 acres of old farmland there. He stores a 1999 trailer on the property as well. In 1998 here, he installs two phone lines and one for his landline,

Starting point is 02:07:08 one for his computer. Got to have the fucking dedicated internet phone line back then. January 99, just before the lease expired at the apartment, he contacted Julie Brown, a manager for AJ Lang property management, a downtown Julie Brown. She's back to find an apartment. Robinson said he was in the publication business and needed a corporate apartment again for female employees, same shit.

Starting point is 02:07:33 So, Lewicka then moves to that apartment and he pays the rent there. Okay. Now, while here, she works for Specialty Publications, handling advertising and graphics for his magazine. All right. She actually does that. He works for Specialty Publications, handling advertising and graphics for his magazine. He actually does that. In 1998, Robinson told his publishing broker, Karen Scott, he had hired his adopted daughter

Starting point is 02:07:52 as a graphic designer. Nice work. Wow. Lewick had told a woman named Pam Saidwhite, who owns a graphic arts company that did work for Robinson, that Robinson was her uncle But this woman saw them flirting and touching one another in a manner that suggested this would be a pretty weird uncle niece relationship He she often told people she was Robinson's wife She registered for an introductory drafting class at Johnson Community College under the name of Robinson and told an instructor

Starting point is 02:08:22 She was married to an older man and college under the name of Robinson and told an instructor she was married to an older man and she also identified herself as Isabella Robinson to several employees of local businesses but they never had a license or he did give her a ring and paid for a marriage license but never picked it up didn't get it didn't get it that's expensive and that like a couple hundred dollars? It's like in Arizona it was $78. So, yeah, not much. So, whenever Sarah's doing something and I go like, she goes, you paid $78 for this. And I go, okay, fine, fair enough.

Starting point is 02:08:56 So Nancy gets a surprise here. Wife Nancy, she did not know that he's been doing any of this stuff. She thought he's just enough. With his appellate? With anybody. She doesn't even know that he's been doing any of this stuff. She thought he's just about any with anybody. Yeah. She doesn't even know what he's into sexually. She doesn't know about the 115. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:11 In 1998, that's when she learned he was into fucking BDSM. Yeah. That's when she listed, figured it out after discovering fetish websites saved in his internet browser history. Say he got by. He was the first guy to get busted like that. I think. fetish website saved in his internet browser history. See? Ah! He got, he was the first guy to get busted like that, I think. What up for sure, yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:31 Man, so he- She found out how to do it, how to look. Yeah, she figured it out. Somewhere showed her the cookies. She was like, you motherfucker. She was like, I'm gonna check it at home, shit. She tried to go to some like, you know, fucking crafting site she was on,

Starting point is 02:09:44 and she's looking through the history. She's like wait a second So Robinson shared stories of his BDSM stuff with a guy named Carlos Abara a maintenance employee at the trailer park Tell the guy the guy Come here for a minute. Hey turn that fucking hedge clipper off for a minute. I gotta tell you something. Showed him nude photographs also. You ever box-nod a titty? It's pretty good.

Starting point is 02:10:14 Now you seem to be pretty good at tying up those bushes to keep him off the road. You think you could tie up a titty? He showed this guy nude photographs of a girlfriend depicted in BDSM poses. So, Nancy Robinson also learned about the relationship with Isabella Lewicka.

Starting point is 02:10:33 She believed the relationship was different from any other affairs he might have had in the past because when Nancy had learned of an affair in the past, Robinson had always ended it immediately if she had ever found out about something. It was like, oh, just, but here, this time the relationship continued Nancy had learned of an affair in the past, Robinson had always ended it immediately if she had ever found out about something. It was like, oh, just, but here, this time the relationship continued,

Starting point is 02:10:49 and Nancy thought that he was gonna leave her for Luica. Yeah. And he was just doing it in the open. Fuck you, I'm doing it. I just like it. So, Luica disappears in the late summer or fall of 1999. People stop hearing from her. So earlier that summer Robinson convinced another woman, Barbara Sandry, to move from

Starting point is 02:11:11 Canada to Kansas. On August 18th they executed a lease for an unfurnished duplex at Hunter's Point located on Grant Street in Overland Park. Sandra needed this Barbara, I'm sorry, barber Sandra, needed furnishings for the duplex and Robinson agreed to provide them. On August 2030, he hired a moving company to deliver household items from LaWicka's apartment to this woman's apartment. Oh my God, that's so creepy. That is fucked up. Over the next few two weeks he bought additional furnishings including bedding and pillows, blankets, kitchen utensils, artwork and hundreds of books.

Starting point is 02:11:49 Many of these items were later identified as belonging to Luica. That is fucked man. That's so fucked up man. Jesus Christ. So he also rekindles his relationship with a woman named Alicia Cox from earlier in 1999. Later that year, Cox was unemployed, didn't have permanent housing, so Robinson invited her to stay at Loica's apartment. This woman said that the apartment was mostly vacant, but there were some boxes

Starting point is 02:12:21 containing clothing and household items. Robinson told Cox that the girl that, told Cox that the girl who'd been living there quit her job and ran off with her boyfriend, leaving the clothes behind. So, Salisha Cox took some of the clothing, which was later identified as Louika's. Cox declined the offer to stay in the apartment. So, yeah, anyway, he ends up getting rid of that apartment.

Starting point is 02:12:47 They inspected the unit later on and found it to be mostly unkempt, but noticed two bedrooms had been cleaned meticulously, but the rest of it was shitty. Fall 1999, Suzette Troughton, T-R-U-T-E-N, 27 years old. Youngest of five children, she lived near her mother in the Monroe, Michigan area. She's a home care nurse and she talks to her mother daily.

Starting point is 02:13:14 Now, one thing she doesn't tell her mother in these daily talks is that she's super into fucking BDSM. She goes to websites, chat rooms, created her own BDSM web page and traveled out of state for BDSM hookups. This is her hobby. She would also, she's into collecting teapots, hanging out with her two Pekingese dogs and also BDSM.

Starting point is 02:13:41 She was so deeply involved in the scene that she carried on relationships with four dominance at once. What? Wow. Do they know about each other? That's a lot of masters, man. She had pierced her nipples to her navel, her nipples, her navel, and five places in and around her genitalia. I don't know five. Yeah, I'm thinking one, two, three.

Starting point is 02:14:02 Side, side, top, top. That's four. That's what I'm saying. Five. Side, side, top side top top That's four six. That's I'm saying five top that could be six Side side top top is four you just said four and then said six right, but if you if you double them up But on each one that's like yes. Yeah, if you double them up otherwise We're talking about you could pierce the tank you could pierce I mean, I'm trying to think of exactly where where she's putting five that's it's probably right behind right because you can pierce the tank. You can pierce the gas. I mean, I'm trying to think of exactly where she's putting five. It's probably right behind, right? Because you can pierce that, the tank that.

Starting point is 02:14:29 I'm sure, yeah. The tank area. Sure, why not? Who doesn't have a pierced tank? So. I think that's what it is. Maybe, I'm not sure. We don't know.

Starting point is 02:14:37 But she's got all of this shit, and these are used to accommodate rings and other devices used in BDSM shit. That's why she's, so they can grab her down there. A photograph of Suzette with nails driven through her breasts circulated on the internet. Why? She's one of these people.

Starting point is 02:14:54 I don't know, man. She likes the real painful shit. I just got creeped out. Through the nips, right? Not through the breasts. It says through her breasts. I'm not sure. Oh my God.

Starting point is 02:15:03 So in the mid-90s, she met met Laura Remington a Canadian resident who shared her interests in all this shit Remington trained her as a slave the submissive partner here Remington introduced Trouton to her friend. Tammy Taylor also lived in Canada and Became another friend Trouton placed ads on BDSM websites seeking a position as a slave and they started, her and Robinson started communicating by email. In the summer of 99, Trouten told her mother that this Robinson offered her a job

Starting point is 02:15:34 as a caring for his elderly father, Papa John, quote unquote. He's elderly and dumb as fuck and his pizza's terrible. Trouten said Robinson and his father were selling off several companies and that Papa John needed nursing care as they traveled to various locations to close deals. Trouton said the job would pay $60,000 a year and require extensive travel to places such as Switzerland and Belgium. And yeah. So. And, yeah. So February 2000, Suzette moves to him.

Starting point is 02:16:08 She moves to Kansas City to work for JR. She left Robinson's name and phone number with her mother, with whom she's very close with. Right. So she said she had an interview with Robinson in October 1999. She came back a few days later, told her mother that she did not like the idea of being away from home but had decided to take the job

Starting point is 02:16:29 for a year to earn enough money to go to school. So she had to go back again, sign an employment contract, we know what that is, and find a place to live. And she told everybody she got a job working for a guy named John who needed someone to care for the elderly father and all this type of shit. So just before Trouton left, her aunt helped her create a list of her friends and family's contact information so she could stay in touch. February 12, 2000 Trouton left for Kansas bringing along her two Pekingese dogs Pika and Harry in the moving truck that Robinson rented for her So she drove In her in her truck where her clothes books dogs and teapot collection That's pretty much what she's got also her BDSM stuff whips paddles gains collars all that shit, so

Starting point is 02:17:20 She arrived Here February 14th and a very romantic and checked into room 216 at the guest house suites in Lenexa He reserved the room for seven nights under his company's name specialty publications, and then it was extended for another week She checked into the room Hotel staff informed formed her of their no pet policy So what they did was they bored them at the Ridgeview Animal Hospital. He said that the dogs belong to his employees and indicated the dogs would be boarded through the end of February. So while she's in Kansas, Trouton calls her mom every day, tells her told her mom she decided to put her belongings in storage rather than find an apartment immediately because they're going to be leaving on their trip.

Starting point is 02:18:10 Then she said their itinerary had changed rather than traveling to Switzerland as originally planned. They decided to go to California, pick up Robinson's new yacht and sail to Hawaii first. Wow. So Robinson could relax before resuming his meetings. Yeah, this is much better. Holy shit. So Trout and Trout and her mom communicate daily on an instant messaging program on Yahoo, and in these conversations she discusses that she was in a sexual relationship with Robinson, with one of her friends. And she was. So anyway, Robinson's concealment of, she ends up disappearing obviously. So on February 25th 2000 he sent Troughton an email message requesting login and password

Starting point is 02:18:50 information for all of her email accounts and she provided that information to him in a reply email and so then he uses this to be able to use her email. The last time Carolyn Troughton heard from her daughter Suzette was around 1 a.m. on March 1st, 2000. She called her mother at work and said that she and Robinson were leaving on the trip that morning, and that's it. Never saw her again. That is fucking interesting. At 1143 a.m., a long-distance call was placed from Robinson's Lynn County trailer to Nancy Robinson's work phone. So that's where he is. John at two thirteen Robinson at two thirteen p.m. Robinson picked up Trouten's dogs at the animal clinic. Employees said Robinson appeared to be agitated and in a hurry.

Starting point is 02:19:36 He told one employee he was in a rush to get to the airport. Robinson placed the dogs in a small kennel and left and Trouten was not seen with Robinson in his truck at the clinic as well. So yeah, at 2 35 here, this is now 2 24. That was 2 13, 2 24 is at PM. His access code was used to gain entry through the security gates at his Olaf storage, Olaid storage unit.

Starting point is 02:20:03 And the code was used to exit the facility six minutes later. 2.35 p.m. Animal Control Officer Rodney E. McLean was dispatched to the Santa Barbara estates after Robinson instructed the officer, the office assistant, to report two dogs on the loose. Oh, dogs moving around. Yeah, McLean arrived 10 minutes later

Starting point is 02:20:23 and saw two Pekingese dogs inside a small medium-sized carrying kennel located just outside the office and transported them to the local shelter. So yeah, this is around 3 PM. A housekeeper at the guest house suites observed a man matching Robinson's physical description leading Trouton's belongings, loading

Starting point is 02:20:44 Trouton's belongings, loading Trouten's belongings, from room 216 into a truck, matching the description of Robinson's vehicle in the hotel parking lot. When she cleaned the room, she noticed that the linens and towels were stained with blood. Oh, what? Yeah. However, she observed similar blood stains when she cleaned the room throughout Trouten's stay.

Starting point is 02:21:03 Trouten had an irregular menstrual cycle and would bleed heavily. Onto the towels? Doesn't she have things for that? Just onto the towel? Jesus, fuck man, we gotta change the carpeting when she leaves? What's going on? How much is she bleeding? Baby, you need a doctor.

Starting point is 02:21:18 Wow. Around 3.30pm, a hotel security camera captured Robinson checking out of Trouton's's room Hotel staff confirmed Robinson was the person who checked out of the room and paid the bill He was not with Robinson She wasn't with them at the time and the hotel employees did not see her at all on March 1st Then the family starts receiving letters from her. Oh Yeah, all sorts of letters Return address it only said Suzette Trouton though There was no return address saying she had said Suzette Troughton, though, there was no return address,

Starting point is 02:21:45 saying she had plans to leave for California. March 2nd, 2000, the day of her disappearance, people are receiving emails from her Hotmail account, saying that her and her dogs had left on the adventure of a lifetime, and all this type of shit. Her friend received a reply from Trouton's Hotmail account referencing him to a new master at Ariaditemaster.email.com. Say it again?

Starting point is 02:22:16 Ariaditemaster.email.com. I didn't know that was a.com you could get. I didn't know you could get at email.com, but okay. So letters and emails keep coming. They go to her family, including her aunt, her sister, her brother, her father's girlfriend, all these people that she normally communicates. He looked through her shit,

Starting point is 02:22:32 sees who she normally communicates with, and communicates with them. April 9th, 2000, just before her birthday, Trouton's grandmother received a birthday card written by her. Oh, okay. Green envelope, postmarked San Jose, California on March 27th is where it would have came in.

Starting point is 02:22:51 So that's interesting. So they keep getting all this shit, but everyone's like, this is very odd here. And at one point, Robinson asked a friend of his, a former employee of Nancy Robinson here to mail some letters for him from California as a favor. And all of these things had a San Jose postmark that everybody was getting. April 9th, 2000, he's also like, oh, let me keep track of Lewicka too, I forgot about her.

Starting point is 02:23:17 So he sends suspicious correspondence after that too. Lewicka's father exchanged 25 to 30 emails with his daughter after she moved to Kansas. What? Oh yeah. And then at one point, Lewicka responded to emails. Her tone was consistently abrasive and short out of nowhere and said, what the hell do you want?

Starting point is 02:23:37 And telling her dad to leave her alone. On April 14th, Lewicka's father received an email from his daughter's account. The message said she and another person had spent the last two weeks traveling the countryside in China. And they said, unlike the previous emails, the tone of this message was respectful and polite. Okay.

Starting point is 02:23:56 Okay. April. Having a great time. Having a great time. Love in China. Traveled the whole wall. April 27th, 2000, he's posing as Jim Turner and discusses Troughton's disappearance in an email

Starting point is 02:24:07 to a friend of Troughton, claiming that Troughton had stolen his credit cards and that he had hired a private investigator to look into it. After this guy, then he asked the friend who's a former, this is the guy who taught her the BDSM shit, the Remington guy. So Robinson asked Remington for information on all of Trouten's previous BDSM partners.

Starting point is 02:24:36 This Remington guy contacts law enforcement, then provides the request and information via email. Law enforcement officers found a printed copy of the email chain in Robinson's possession later on. So Robinson used the email to conceal Trouten's disappearance, but also to lure Trouten's friends into new BDSM relationships.

Starting point is 02:24:57 Oh my God. That's what he wants. He got a mailing list basically. He got her Rolodex. He got her Rolodex and was like, cool. Let's fucking do this shit. So this is wild. In March 17th, 2000, Robinson posing as Tom responded to an email describing himself

Starting point is 02:25:14 as very aggressive and hardworking businessman and outlining his ground rules for a BDSM relationship. Taylor and Robinson posing as Tom continued to communicate and discuss BDSM relationships via email. Okay, then Trouton's family receives a bunch of letters in May postmarked from Veracruz, Mexico. And they're signed love you Suzette. So yeah, once again, the Robinson made arrangements for several letters to be mailed from Mexico in May of 2000. A woman named Lydia Ponce lived in Veracruz, Mexico.

Starting point is 02:25:49 Her son, Carlos Ibarra, was the maintenance man that he was showing BDSM pictures to. That's how he knows these people. So this guy, he said, hey, you're Mexican, right? And he went, yeah. And he goes, you got up any family there? And he goes, yeah, my mother was a- Send this to was a mom make your mom mail these for me. Will you I'll show you some some crazy tied up titties Wow spring 2000 Vicky Newfield lives in Texas She lost her job as a geriatric therapist in March of 2000 and her financial situation was not good

Starting point is 02:26:22 New field placed personal ads on BDSM websites and began emailing Robinson. They discussed potential relationships and he sent her a slave contract to review. On April 23rd, 2000, Robinson asked Newfield to visit him in Kansas. Robinson said he was a wealthy businessman with a history of helping other professional women

Starting point is 02:26:42 get established in the area. He promised to support her and said that he they could possibly pursue a relationship. He arranged for Newfield to stay at the extended stay America in Overland Park. She arrived April 23rd, 2000. As Robinson requested, she brought her own sex toys along for the trip. All right. They engaged in sexual activity at

Starting point is 02:27:05 various times during her stay at the morning on the morning of April 26th. Robinson told Newfield he was leaving for a business trip in Israel and wanted to discuss a plan for her to move to Kansas. Robinson said his business would

Starting point is 02:27:18 pay movers to bring her belongings to Kansas that weekend. Robinson asked Newfield to leave her sex toys with him, explaining it would give her extra incentive to return. Newfield left behind her rattan type canes and a mesh bag full of sex toys she valued at $700. That's two things. That's, yeah, there's a lot. We've talked about plenty of these on your stupid opinions.

Starting point is 02:27:42 Yeah, there's some that could be $10, or some that could be $500. Yeah. She then went to Texas, back to Texas again, to wait for the movers who never arrived. What? Did he give up? No, he just stole her sex toys. He just.

Starting point is 02:27:57 He said, man, that's my dildo. And I'm taking it. Man, I'll take it. Why did he do that? Yep. Well, on May 22,. Why did he do that? Yup. Wow, on May 22nd, 2000, she asked him to please return her sex toys, but he said no. No, these are now mine.

Starting point is 02:28:12 She filed a police report. What? For a bag full of sex toys, which is, I admire. I admire that, the fact that she's like, I don't give a fuck. I'll tell the cops every dildo I had in that fucking thing. All of them. That is $700 worth of dildos, man. I want them back.

Starting point is 02:28:30 Or you can talk to the cops about it. Holy shit. So law enforcement found the sex toys several days later during a search of his storage locker that we'll talk about later on. Robinson sent money to Vicky, this Vicky, I recently laid off psychologists from Texas, who was suffering from depression and lack of meaningful relationships.

Starting point is 02:28:51 This is Vicky Newfield here. Police had tapped his phone and were aware of his contacts with Vicky. He's being watched all the time now. When she visits him over Easter weekend, the police listened in the next room of the hotel while they engaged in very rough sex. Robinson forced her into sex acts she did not want to do, took photos when she was tied

Starting point is 02:29:13 up despite her explicit instructions not to, and slapped her much harder than she expected. These acts constituted sexual battery, and in addition Robinson left her without any money and alone in a strange city for several days before returning. The sex constituted sexual battery, and in addition Robinson left her without any money and alone in a strange city for several days before returning. When he came back he told her to go back to Texas and await further instructions, but kept all of her sex toys.

Starting point is 02:29:38 So, 2000 here, this is Jean, I've seen it in multiple places as Jean or Gina, like G-E-A-N-N-A or G-E-A-N-N-E. She's 34, divorced, unemployed accountant from Texas, came to Kansas City to begin working at Robbins as Robinson's executive assistant for his hydroponics business. He put her in the hotel where he robbed Vicky's sex toys.

Starting point is 02:30:04 So yeah, she's divorced, 34, looking for a relationship, He put her in the hotel where he robbed Vicky sex toys So yeah, she's divorced 34 looking for a relationship She wants a BDSM relationship and a job at the same time She's like I'm looking for someone who can hire me in a job and beat the shit out of me at night What do you think happens here so They explored their likes and dislikes of BDSM shit extensively via phone and internet invited her to Kansas for a long weekend put her up in a hotel where they engaged in various types of sexual things toward the end of her stay they agreed that she would move to Kansas and work for one of his companies man his dick must be magic

Starting point is 02:30:42 when she was returned to Kansas in mid-May, Robinson installed her in the guest house suites in Lonexa where he had kept Suzette Troughton. They had sex on the afternoon of May 16th. One day that week, he didn't show up when they were supposed to do shit. On Friday, May 19th, Robinson telephoned her, told her he was on his way,

Starting point is 02:31:03 and instructed her when he arrived She should be nude and kneeling in a corner of the room with her hair pulled back When he entered the room he began he grabbed her by the hair and began flogging her across her breasts and back He insisted she pose for photographs even though she told him she didn't wanted him to take pictures He was particularly interested in photography and photographing the marks his floggings had left on her body. He told her that he didn't like her attitude and if she didn't change she would have to move back home. Listen, you're going to go to HR in a minute here.

Starting point is 02:31:39 This is ridiculous. Why don't you take the day off and think about it? You're suspended with no pay. No pay. Christ, you're docked. He left the room, that's a bad thing to say because that could happen, he left the hotel room saying he would return. She became hysterical.

Starting point is 02:31:55 She went to Kansas and all this type of shit and he only seemed interested in punishing her and pleasing himself. She's gotten the shit beaten out of her. She went to the front desk of the hotel sobbing uncontrollably. She insisted on seeing the registration card for her room. She discovered the man she had been seeing was named John Robinson, not James Turner. She tried to call the police, but was too upset to complete the call. Luckily, the desk attendant was not upset at all, and they completed it for her. Within minutes, Detective David Brown arrives there.

Starting point is 02:32:27 He's already two months deep into his investigation of Robinson, so he's like, couldn't be any better than this. He knew exactly what happened. He heard a brief version of her story, and he collected her belongings and moved her to another hotel. She explained how Robinson had beat her

Starting point is 02:32:44 far beyond her desires. She said she didn't like pain or punishment or marks on her skin. She said, I'm a submissive, not a masochist. That makes sense. So on May 31 or March 31, 2000, the Lenexa Police Department began searching trash left at curbside for collection at Robinson's residence. On April 4th, they found an invoice for a package Robinson sent to Glyne's in California. That's the woman who mailed letters postmarked from San Jose at his request. Wow, on April 25th, investigators used a trash truck

Starting point is 02:33:17 with the company's permission, the trash company, and collected three bags of his trash. They recovered a telephone bill for service at his Lynn County property, which documented a long distance call placed from Robinson's trailer on the morning of Troughton's disappearance. Oh boy. June 2nd, a convoy of nine police vehicles

Starting point is 02:33:36 enter the grounds of the Santa Barbara Estates. The trailer park is being overrun by cops. Santa Barbara Estates. Estates. Estates. Estates. How dare you. You with fucking Dallas names on it, Estates. And surrounded his residence,

Starting point is 02:33:53 police detectives placed a dumbstruck John Robinson under arrest, charged him with sexual assault, and took him in handcuffs. So they then began executing a warrant authorizing them to search his home. They seized all of his computers. They also found a blank sheet of stationery signed by Lisa Stasi more than 15 years earlier. Oh why would he keep that? In January 1985. Receipts from the roadway in in Overland Park showing

Starting point is 02:34:23 that Robinson had checked Stasi out of the hotel on January 10th That year the day after she disappeared with him into the snow So they also have Warrants for his mobile home and his desk his ranch too. They searched his storage facility Where he rented two garages? Okay, also There they found two 55 gallon drums inside the drum

Starting point is 02:34:51 Inside the drums were the bodies of Sheila and Debbie Faith and Beverly Bonner three bodies to drugs He kept him he kept him for fucking years Jimmy. This is horrifying Wow the second search warrant here they He kept him for fucking years Jimmy. Years. This is horrifying. Wow. The second search warrant here, they bolt cut it through his lock here of a 10 by 15 foot locker at the nearby storage facility in Olav. Inside they found a trove of items linking Robinson to Suzette Trowden, who's now missing for two months, Isabella Lewicka, who'd not been seen since the previous August.

Starting point is 02:35:29 There was Isabella's Kansas driver's license, photographs of LaWicka nude in bondage, six-page slave contract listing 115 rules, sexual and otherwise she had to obey, and a pillowcase and several BDSM sex implements. They searched his storage unit there, they found all this type of shit, they found Trouten's contact list with all their mailing addresses, they also found 31, they found 42 envelopes pre-addressed to members of Trouten's family, along with 31 pieces of pastel colored stationery with love you Suzette signed at the bottom. That's fucked up.

Starting point is 02:36:10 For years he was gonna keep doing this. Yeah. That's wild. The envelopes were pre-addressed, which is crazy, with S. Troughton as the, written as the return address. Is he still getting checks at this point too? I don't think so, no, I think they stopped. There were also several, cause she went missing,

Starting point is 02:36:25 so there were also several letters with generic readings such as hi dad or hi mom handwritten at the top of the stationery. Oh my God, also the pictures, the slave contracts like we talked about. At his ranch, remember his ranch he bought there, the 16 acres, with the help of a cadaver dog, they found more 55 gallon chemical drums.

Starting point is 02:36:49 They find two of them and inside of them are Suzette Trout and Isabella Loica. They are two yellow 55 gallon metal, metal barrels near a tool shed across from his house right there, sitting right there. They're just out in the open just to the south of a wooden shed located several yards to the southwest of the trailer on the property. They opened the barrels and confirmed each contained the remains of a human body. They said inside one was a female body nude with its head down immersed in about 14 inches of liquid, the result of decomposition.

Starting point is 02:37:25 This is just seep. They opened a second barrel and saw first a pillow and a red and green pillowcase. Pulled that out and found another female body, this one clothed, also soaked in the fluids of its own decaying. Photographed and fingerprinted both barrels and left the contents inside. Using a black magic marker, they labeled the barrels unknown one and unknown two. Now the probation officer, remember Haymes? A detective telephoned Steve at home that

Starting point is 02:37:56 day to say, holy shit what we found at your boy's place here. He wanted Haymes to know before it was in the newspapers. Haymes said, it confirmed what I had always believed, but the move from theory to reality was chilling. Yeah. Yeah. So the bodies here, here, they go to the medical examiner's office, a deputy coroner here looks at the barrel marked unknown one across the face of the body in there. He found a large swatch of clothes secured

Starting point is 02:38:26 by a rope of cloth secured by a rope around the head a blindfold the hair was tied up in an 18 inch ponytail there were several rings on the body one on a little finger one on a ring finger one through piercings on each nipple and five rings through piercings in and around the genitalia that's a Trout and chick that's very specific. Yeah. They pointed out the woman had received a massive blow probably with a large hammer to the left side of the head between the forehead and the temple. The skull was fractured and a circular section of it was actually driven into the brain.

Starting point is 02:38:57 Why? The woman could have died from any of the causes of bleeding, damage to the brain tissue or swelling of the brain following the blow. Yeah. Unknown too is LaWicca. She also died from a blow to the left side of the head that fractured her skull. They said it appeared to be two blows overlapping,

Starting point is 02:39:16 forming an oval indentation. The left side of her jaw had also been fractured. No signs she'd been able to defend herself. So they're either tied up or. Yeah. He's a monster. That's Suzette and Isabella. The other one here, wow, this is fucking crazy. They found the barrels the other place, the first one we talked about here after this is at the store more for less in Raymore.

Starting point is 02:39:42 The back of the locker they saw barrels, first one was black and sealed with a gray lid. They opened it and discovered a body. The two other barrels were located in the front of the black barrel. They were covered in a large plastic sheet and cat litter had been sprinkled around the outside of the barrels inside the plastic. Some of the litter appeared to have absorbed a dark fluid. The barrels were wrapped together with two additional pieces of plastic sheeting held up with pieces of duct tape. They developed four latent fingerprints of value from that sheeting. They matched Robinson.

Starting point is 02:40:16 The officers did not open the second and third barrels suspecting they too contained obviously probably human remains. They said there there are barrels and there's going to be bodies in them. You've got to come back, he told them. So they bring those people, they empty the locker of everything else but the barrels. A crime lab technician opened the barrel. The first thing he saw was a light brown sheet,

Starting point is 02:40:38 a pair of glasses and a shoe. He removed the sheet and grasped the shoe only to find it was attached to a leg. Oh, God damn it. It just came to find it was attached to a leg. Oh, it just came off It was decided to reseal the barrel and take all this shit to the medical examiner's office all this contents not shit people One of the barrels was leaking fluid and it was feared that the bottom might have corroded and would give way when lifted no Yeah, a police officer was sent to a nearby Walmart to purchase three children's plastic wading pools.

Starting point is 02:41:10 Oh, Jesus. They were slipped on. There's a Dora the Explorer fucking kiddie pool with corpses in it. Jesus Christ. Bet the maker of that never expected this thing to be used to hold hold a suit a human shoes together right this fuck the chief medical examiner in Kansas City a veteran of 3800

Starting point is 02:41:32 autopsies he opened it and said quote when they open those barrels this is one of the cops that was there I've been around a lot of homicide scenes and I've smelled pretty old decaying bodies but they've been exposed to the open air These had been in the barrels and man. It was an extraordinarily strong smell and very uncomfortable Yeah, the first body fully clothed Second body was a t-shirt reading California state of mind in the mouth was a denture broken in half The third was the body of a teenager wearing green pants and a silver beret. No defensive wounds. None of the victims able to defend themselves. So that is Beverly Bonner, Sheila and Debbie Faith. So now we've found five people.

Starting point is 02:42:17 Bodies all had multiple injuries to the head caused by blunt force trauma consistent with infliction by a hammer. Any number of the blows could have been fatal, they said. Wow, Debbie Faith here, they said the body was fully clothed and the subject was wearing an adult disposable diaper, so we know it's her. They believe the victim was a teenager because x-rays revealed that several growth discs

Starting point is 02:42:40 had not closed. Unbelievable. Holy shit. His family supports him. Unbelievable. Holy shit. His family supports him. What? Oh yeah. A few days after his arrest, a spokesman for his family issued a written statement saying and I quote,

Starting point is 02:42:54 We have never seen any behavior that would have led us to believe that anything we are now hearing could be possible. While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, we do not know the person whom we have read and heard about on TV. John Robinson is a loving and caring father and husband. We wait with each of you for the cloud of allegations and innuendo to clear, revealing at last the facts." Innuendo?

Starting point is 02:43:18 Innuendo. How dare you? His lawyer. His lawyer said, I resent the fact that people are now claiming that mr. Robinson either directly or indirectly as a serial killer They found five bodies the five drums. There you go. You're already past serial killer Yeah, he complained that Robinson's being held on five million dollars bond and maximum security his family He's got a wife and at least two grown children he's issued a statement saying they're horrified.

Starting point is 02:43:48 As each day has passed, the surreal events have built into a narrative that is almost beyond comprehension while we do not discount the information. All that shit they're saying, this is bullshit. Now, baby Tiffany. What about her? Remember baby Tiffany?

Starting point is 02:44:03 Yeah, it's now 2000, She's you know 17 years old fuck Donald and Helen begin to question the identity of Helen's birth mother which Heather's birth mother was she really someone who killed herself law enforcement compared her footprints to known footprints of Tiffany and found the prince matched June 21st a murder victims away a murder victim's baby. I mean, if there's a silver lining, he couldn't kill a child. He did, at least a baby. He swore, because he could get money for that baby.

Starting point is 02:44:32 That's why. If no one wanted the baby, he would have just killed the baby, thrown it in a barrel. But yeah, that was five, six grand, he was getting there. June 21st, 2000, a former acquaintance of John says that John may have been a

Starting point is 02:44:45 member of a cult involving bondage rape and torture according to this it was Robinson's job in their cult in their cult to recruit women these women were raped and tortured the witness who remains unnamed saw Robinson participate in three Kansas City area rituals where no one was killed, but the women were tortured extensively, sometimes even carving the face and abdomen of the victims and cutting off body parts. June 26th here, they have kind of all the bodies ID'd at this point.

Starting point is 02:45:17 September or October 12th, 2000, search of the apartment fuck pad that he rented there at Edgebrook Apartments that Loica lived in. They found hundreds of small reddish brown spots on the wall of one bedroom that are blunt. That would be smashing someone's skull and having their, yeah. That's a lot. The blood spots were roughly circular, less than one millimeter in diameter.

Starting point is 02:45:39 That's spatter. The pattern of stains ran from the floor to the ceiling at approximately four to five feet in width from the middle of the south wall all the way to the east wall with the highest concentration at waist to chest level. Holy shit. Gross. Wow. That's insane.

Starting point is 02:45:58 He had, by the way, told his publishing broker that he needed a new graphic designer because he had to fire Loica because she had been caught smoking marijuana and deported. Oh, so I don't even know where she is. She's deported. Deported. February 5th, 2001, the preliminary hearing of charges, which include two capital murder charges for Suzette and Isabella, two counts of fraud,

Starting point is 02:46:20 54 forgery charges, aggravated kidnapping of Suzette, and all other charges brought back and forth back in 2000. Probation officer said, I've dealt with a wide variety of characters, but never anyone like Robinson. He's just chilling. There are so many sides to him. There's the con man after money.

Starting point is 02:46:39 There's the murderer. There's the sexual deviant. There's the coverup artist, the lies, the endless lies. The body collector. The bodyiant. There's the cover-up artist the lies the endless lies the body collector the body Tell me BTK didn't fantasy about fantasize about being this guy. This is exactly what he wanted exactly Gross thing, but he's like that's what he wanted to the bodies is crazy. That's crazy But this is exactly what BTK fantasized about doing he tried it with his wife. She wasn't into it So January 2003 got a speed through this, the state's capital murder theory in counts

Starting point is 02:47:09 two and three was that Robinson killed Suzette Trouton and Isabella Lewick along with Sheila and Debbie Faith, Beverly Bonner and Lisa Stasi and these killings were all connected constituting parts of a common scheme or course of conduct characterized by lowering women with offers of employment, exploiting them financially, sexually or otherwise, killing them and disposing of their bodies in a similar manner, and concealing the crimes through the act of deception and fraud. So they said that also there's tons of other crimes along the way. Obviously, we just gave you all the evidence in this episode here. The letters too, they examined the envelopes that

Starting point is 02:47:44 Trouton's family had received and said they're consistent with the ones that were mailed from Vera Cruz. Okay, verdict comes in guilty of lots of murder. Yeah. Yeah. Incredibly. Judge comes up here, this is Judge John Anderson III. He's like, from a John III to a John III,

Starting point is 02:48:02 I'm about to fuck you good. He said, Couple a John the third to a John the third I'm about to fuck you good. He said you sir may fuck off two death penalties okay and a life sentence for Lisa Stasi. Additionally sentenced him to another 246 months in prison for the aggravated kidnapping of Troughton, seven months for the theft of the sex toys, a life sentence with parole eligibility after 15 years for the first degree premeditated murder of Stasi and a pre-sentencing guideline sentence of five to 20 years or a post-sentencing guideline sentence of 13 months for the aggravated interference with Stasi's parental custody. And don't you think, don't you dare think we thought we forgot about the theft of the aggravated interference with Stasi's parental custody. Yeah. Death penalty.

Starting point is 02:48:45 Don't you dare think we thought, we forgot about the theft of the Diltos. You'll be doing that time first. He's got how many bodies more are out there that we haven't found? Oh my God. And there were, yeah. So he also faced a legal dilemma in Missouri

Starting point is 02:48:59 where prosecutors were actively pursuing additional murder charges based on the evidence discovered in that state as well. His attorneys opposed his extradition because Missouri is far more aggressive in the actual doling out of capital punishment. Like Kansas, you'll get sentenced to death, but they won't kill you.

Starting point is 02:49:16 Whereas Missouri, they kill people. So they said Kansas has yet to execute anyone since reinstating the death penalty statute at the time. However, the Missouri prosecutor insisted a condition of any plea bargain that Robinson lead authorities to the bodies of Lisa Stasi, Paula Godfrey, and Catherine Clampett. Since doing so would have constituted a tacit admission of guilt, which could have been used against him in Kansas, he said no. So but the prosecutor faced pressure to make a deal

Starting point is 02:49:47 because his case was not really that airtight. So they were like, we don't even have bodies. So among the issues, there's no unequivocal evidence that any of the murders had actually been committed within the jurisdiction, which is number one, what you have to prove is, was it corpus delecti or whatever the fuck? So when it came, when and where,

Starting point is 02:50:03 that they're dead and they're here. when it became clear that the woman's remains would never be found without Robinson's cooperation a compromise was reached in a scripted carefully scripted plea deal in October 2003 he acknowledged that not that cost or had enough evidence to convict him of capital murder for the deaths of Godfrey Clampett, Bonner, and the Faiths. Though his statement was technically a guilty plea, it was accepted as such by the Missouri court. It was notably devoid of any contrition or specific acceptance of responsibility." So there's that.

Starting point is 02:50:38 2005. 2005. Yeah. Nancy finally files for divorce. What? Remember when I said when I tell you when it's over you're going to go, holy shit, she's still around? 2005 yeah, Nancy finally files for divorce Remember when I said when I tell you when it's over you're gonna go. Holy shit. She's still around 2005 lady Five you know what she cited?

Starting point is 02:50:57 incompatibility and Inreconsilable differences my husband's a serial killer cuz that should be a Tits and I don't like it. Holy shit serial killer, because that should be his fucking slut. He likes to paint tits and I don't like it. Holy shit. 2006, Lisa Stasi's daughter, Heather Robinson, Heather Tiffany, filed a civil suit against Truman Medical Center in Kansas City and social worker Karen Gaddis, contending that Gaddis told John Robinson about Stasi

Starting point is 02:51:16 and her newborn daughter in 1984, after he told her he was looking for women for a fictional home for unwed mothers and, of quote, white babies. In 2007, Heather and the hospital reached a settlement for an undisclosed sum, which Robinson said she would split with her biological grandmother, Patricia Sylvester. Holy shit, so she ended up getting paid for that anyway,

Starting point is 02:51:37 but I mean, she grew up, they had undisclosed amounts. Tons of books and shows about this guy. Tons of books and shows. I guy. Tons of books and shows. I mean, he's obviously a creepy sex person. So, creepy sex killer. You put BDSM. Why?

Starting point is 02:51:52 Yeah. I mean, it's because it's weird, obviously. And people are interested. They're curious about what's going on. And box knocks getting tied up, getting levitated. Yeah, what's going on there? How do you, that hurts. How do you come? That's crazy. They either get hard or get fascinated how other people get hard doing this either one?

Starting point is 02:52:10 2014 windows on death row which is a cartoon thing Where they're basically publishing like cartoons that people on death row draw. Oh He writes a letter it's fucking ridiculous man. He said, 2500 plus cartoons drawn over the past 12 years included his information about two books, Journey of Hope, a 302 page book of articles, poems, short stories, and humor that takes the reader

Starting point is 02:52:40 into death row and allows them to feel the full scale of loss and emotions of those on death row the second book Common-sense thoughts on the Christian lifestyle a hundred and sixty page book which contains 24 lessons written specifically for prisoners at the request of a prison ministry Does he out of his fucking mind here are his cartoons that he drew they're not bad Unfortunately, oh no, that's great They're not bad, unfortunately. Oh no, that's great. It says, 71 years old, 11 years in this 10 by seven foot cell in solitary confinement, no human contact,

Starting point is 02:53:10 delay after delay of my appeal. I think that might just justify a little depression. And there's a rat down there that goes, hey, I'm still your buddy, got anything to eat? So that's what's going on here. There's all of them. God shows his sense of humor in the end. That's him, he drew a picture.

Starting point is 02:53:27 He makes himself like a, just a harmless little. Like a golf guy, just a guy that's got a teat spot. Here's him, you know, political statements. America's prison industrial complex, with the dollar on there. a fucking complex with the dollar on there. The judge, yeah, the judge found he's got a fair trial. A rat and a weasel. Lowlife Scams Inc. it says.

Starting point is 02:53:55 Rat and a weasel. They're complaining about people that write to prisoners and then sell the letters they get back. That's what they're doing. The rat says. That's pretty disgusting. Even by my standards. Never forget. I was a death row prisoner too. Jesus. How many, how many women did Jesus stuff in fucking metal barrels? Jimmy,

Starting point is 02:54:17 do you remember what that said in the Bible about how many I don't remember exactly the exact number? Then he's Rush Limbaugh here. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's got a Rush Limbaugh thing and he apparently doesn't like Rush Limbaugh. So he appeals in 2015 on a bunch of bullshit. It's mainly legal maneuverings, but they're like, get the fuck out of here.

Starting point is 02:54:40 People wore roll out the barrels of evidence T-shirts outside the courtroom. He was complaining about that. So he's currently an El Dorado correctional facility. He's over 80 years old. He's almost 82 years old and he's still alive sitting on death row. He's still doing it. He's still there. He's still alive, still on death row.

Starting point is 02:54:59 What the fuck? How? Why? It's crazy. By the way, a lot of information, and this is very specific information, came from because a lot of it is way a lot of information and this is very specific information came from because a lot of it is In a lot of locations, but some came from serial killer JR Robinson sinister alter ego an article in Vanity Fair by David McClintock I want to give that author credit because he did interviews and did a lot of work on that shit So thank you for that years old. Yep. He's there gonna be 82 in December on the 27th So that is Lenexa, Kansas everybody got a buzz through the end here So thank you for that. 81 years old. Yep, he's there. He'll be 82 in December on the 27th. That is Lenexa, Kansas, everybody.

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Starting point is 02:58:52 Those are a lot of letters. Business management one. A lot of letters. Yeah. Oh, administration. It's not even management, right? I don't know. I don't know what it is either.

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Small Town Murder - #577 - Behind A Serial Killer's Mask - Lenexa, Kansas

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